August 9, 2025 • 39 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about Shedeur Sanders explains why Louis Riddick and anyone else is wrong when they say Shedeur is being set up to fail.
On this edition of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved most from the weekend.
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Uh got a lot to get to. Man, it's a
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good day. It's say Wednesday, it's a hump day. That
means we got the Midway. I think you enjoy the Midway.
I want to Yeah, Midway. I want to talk about
I want to talk about the I don't think it's retirement,
but Howard Stern is leaving serious axem talk about the
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business that I I work in. Jay stew has worked
in Dan Byer's worked in for all of us over
twenty years. Sam, you're on what you were you on? Sam?
You're over a decade in, aren't you in radio? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Fifteen years. So that's a lot of experience we'll share
with our thoughts of Howard Stern. I don't know if
he's calling it quits or if I don't know if
he's done, if he's going to do his own thing.
I'm gonna launch a podcast, you know, the thing we
all think, we all do. Speaking of which, this show
is available in podcast form in the meantime, I want
to play for you something I saw on TV and
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I was like what And then I heard Cowherd call
him out without calling him out again. That's probably the
art of cow Herd is many people he can call
out and he doesn't name their names, really smarter than
what I do. Whereas I just name their names. I
don't care. It's your words. You said it, you own it.
If I say it, I own it as well, as
long as it's not taken out of context. Right, Okay,
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So Shadoor Sanders is going to start for the Browns
in their first preseason game as Dan Bayer told you yesterday.
That's because Joe Flacco is old. You don't want him
getting hurt. And you know the other two quarterbacks, Dylan Gabriel,
who's drafted ahead of him, he's hurt. You know, both
quarterbacks in front of him are injured. So he's going
to get a chance to start. But I want you
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to listen to something that Lewis Ridicks said. Okay, remember
Lewis Ridick was a scout in the NFL. He's he's
been on a kind of a jet back to success
working at ESPN. Here was his take on Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps,
They play a whole half of a game and then
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all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake. Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach,
I never was in there in practice. You never even
talked to me during practice, But now you expect me
to know that's what they're gonna expect of him. But
if anyone can get it done, it's this kid, because
he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, they're making it out like the world is out
to get Shador Sanders. And this is one of the
most obnoxious things anyone could ever say, when it's about
themselves or about somebody else who was born on third base. Right, Sure,
it's difficult to start a preseason game. What's more difficult
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starting your first preseason game or getting thrown in there
in the fourth quarter with the fourth stringers trying to
make I mean, Lewis Riddick like, you can mask it
all you want. You're obviously rooting for Shaundore Sanders, which
is okay, okay, But to make it out like Kevin
Stefanski is gonna do this kid wrong. Have you been
to Browns camp? Have you talked to Stefanski? Of course
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you haven't. You been on set of ESPN, So not
saying you don't have sources in the league. You do,
but you're just making assumptions like, oh, this is what
they're gonna do, and I know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna hold them to a higher standard. But
if anybody can do it, super snor Sanders can do it,
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why would that be the case? What would the purpose be?
I mean, just like again, let's just ask ourselves very honestly.
The Browns are in quarterback purgatory, right, quarterback purgatory. They
had to feel like they didn't have a chance to draft,
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or maybe they didn't want a quarterback in this year's draft.
That's why they trade it out of what the number
two spot and traded down right, So maybe they wait
for a year. But if the idea is well, they're
waiting for your If Shador Sanders hits, okay, they get
the steal of the draft. If relevance matters to you,
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you'll be very relevant. But it doesn't matter. They simply
want somebody who's good. And oh yeah, by the way,
he'll be inexpensive. He's a fifth round draft pick. He
costs you nothing. I mean, this is Brock Party two
point zero, only he was evaluated at a higher level
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than brock perty even though brock Purty different but very
successful college quarterback who had some similar struggles late in
his college career because he was playing at Iowa State.
He wasn't playing at Oklahoma. But this idea, idea that
the world's out to get shod or Sanders. Oh, I
know how this works. They're gonna set him up for failure.
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That's what Lewis Reddick said. They're setting him up for failure.
They're gonna ask him to do things. How do you
know that? Why would they do that? What would the
purpose be of it? And the idea that, well, this
is just so incredibly difficult. The only guy that could
do is to shoot or standers. I'm telling you right now.
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Do you think it's more difficult and you probably don't
have all of the ones to play with half the
ones and twos? Or to come in the second half
of the first preseason game as the four stringer and
play with four stringers, especially a quarterback who is not
the most mobile, holds onto the ball too long, and
is in a new offense. Which one do you think
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is a more difficult task? And the idea that a
team that owns the rights to a guy who some
people had as a first round pick on their board
falls to the fifth round, and they don't want to
take advantage of what could be an absolute gift in
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terms of salaries, right because remember they're still they still
have Deshaun Watson under contract. Deshaun Watson is still under
contract with the Cleveland Browns. I believe he gets paid
the next two years. Right. They reworked his deal in
this offseason. He's got two He tours Achilles ten in twice,
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so he's not going to play this year. He's he
doesn't get paid by the team. He gets paid probably
by insurance. But it does hit the books. If they
can have a rookie quarterback on a fifth round contract
and they can jettison you know, Huntley who they just
signed h and all the other court like they let's
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just kind of call it like it is, they'll be
have a chance to be the Niners two point er,
where you pay your quarterback nothing and you load up
your roster with dudes that I can really play things
that NFL teams don't do. You know, again, unless Shador
has actually like a complete ass the whole time, Unless
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he has made himself into a pariah. And if he
was made into a pariah, they would have already cut him.
They would have already moved on sign multiple quarterback. Well,
why they signed Tyler Huntley because you need more guys
to throw footballs. You can't have one guy throwing two
hundred balls every day at practice and everybody else's hurt.
You heard Dan Bayer yesterday and say, hey, everybody else's hurt.
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There's a good friend of mine who's been a general
manager in the NFL, and he used to tell me
that when I'd ask him about these types of things,
he was like, honestly, you're watching football from an entertainment perspective.
It doesn't work that way. The only thing we care
about is if we can win. How can we win games?
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And you can win games when you have more money
to play with for the rest of your roster, and
if you have Shodoor Sanders any really good enough and
he go in there and not screw it up and
just throw the ball. We're it's supposed to throw it.
If he doesn't have it, throw it away. You know,
get everybody what anything to get. Let's make it super
simple for you. You're just a rookie. You lineup, you
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might hand the ball off nine times and ten. Great
if you can do that, and we can save a
bunch of money, we can build up a roster around you.
But he say, I never forget this. I'd say this
with Jason earlier today, like that's entertainment. And yeah, ESPN
the E does tam for entertainment. But there's no E
in NFL. There's win games or get a new job.
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So the idea that they would rather make Shador Sanders
look bad by elevating him too soon despite a lack
of practice reps is comical. By the way, the job
of a backup quarterback is, if you have no reps,
figure out a way to get it done in the game.
Just kiss, keep it simple, stupid. But I told you
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guys this yesterday and I mean it. Shador Sanders is
going to be the new Kaepernick if he gets cut
by the Browns. Every time a quarterback goes down, you'll
have somebody go. You know, they should sign Shador Sanders.
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for the for the duration, for the duration. We got
a lot to get to. It is a a week
in which, by the end of this weekend, every NFL
team will have played a preseason football game. Everyone. So
that's big. That's big. Right now. All we have to
deal with is we've had scrimmages and lots of chatter
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and scrimmage posts being post galore going out there, and
of course you had the Hall of Fame game where
nobody who's really going to play for the Chargers played.
But nonetheless, we do have at least one preseason game
in the book. Getting closer and closer to college football
season is those those schools are in pads were in August,
and of course major League Baseball coming down the stretch.
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And there's yet an another how would I do it? Well?
Would Jase do? What would the what would the word
words be? For? Yet another device? Was or was there
one or two that were thrown on the floor over
the weekend? Sucks toy toys, Yes, adult toys. I like
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adult toys, adult toys, adult toys. Was there one or
two thrown over the weekend? I'm hearing too. I'm hearing too.
Two is what I'm hearing. Anyway, we got all kinds
of stuff on the docket. Without further ado, let's share
are things we loved, things we hated from the weekend.
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We call it love and hate.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
God? I love you, and what did you hate?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
These?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Clarey is all right to our resident love A boy
with a really clean faded haircut is Dan byer? Dan?
Want you start us off with what you love from
the weekend?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
A dog wrestling has been a topic of conversation because
of the passing of Hull Cogan and this past weekend
with Summer Slam, and I'm gonna just tell you right out,
I did not order it. I did not watch it. However,
I have a great appreciation for showmanship and to see
what was flooding social media on TikTok on Saturday and
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on X was the Seth Rollins cm punk situation where
cm Punk wins the title and then Seth Rollins, who's
been playing up this knee injury amazingly comes out and
it is just theater at its finest. And I also
love the niche niche industry, however you want to say it,
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of people watching events and you watching them so they
will match up the video. And this happens a lot
in wrestling, where people are celebrating in this instance Cmpunk's
title and then they're guessing and then they're like, oh,
that's the end of it, and then sure enough Seth
Rollins's music drops and those streamers are going nuts. There's
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something about that. I find it very interesting. I like
the watching people watching game sort of thing, and this
wrestling moment, like wrestling or not, you have to appreciate
the showmanship and the drama of it, and I thought
it was really really good. They had another one last
night as well, because it was a two night affair
with brock Lesner, so it was I love that. I
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love the excitement of it, the hearing, the music, the
pops as they call it. And you're talking to a
guy who's not a huge wrestling fan anymore, much bigger
when I was a kid and even in the college days.
But I just loved what I saw on social media
from SummerSlam this weekend.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Did I see something that was from wrestling this weekend?
Did I see something where somebody big walked away? Like,
what's the name of the guy? If the miss and
Kyle Brandt had a baby, what's the name of that guy?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So I don't somebody may have walked away. Again, I'm
not a huge wrestling fan. I just know that Seth
Rollins surprised CM Punk and cashed in his money in
the bank. And then the next night John Cena was
in the ring and brock Lesner came out after Cody
Rhodes and Sena had a match. Cody Rhodes, that's him, Okay,
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was this Cody Roads his last thing? No? I think
it was thought to be Sena's last thing. But yeah,
his son, Yes, no idea.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
He has a shock of blonde, bleach blonde hair. He
looks like an evil guy in like a comic book,
like a villain in a comic book.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Jason thought it was a cross of Kyle Branton who
the Miss.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
The Miss and Kyle Brant so too real world alum
had a baby and it was Cody Rhoads with a
Shaka blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, there's Sam Wu's you left on the weekend.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Well, I love a good late afternoon, early evening meet
up at a beautiful place. I went to a beautiful
place this weekend on Saturday called the stone House in
Westlake Village. Yes, four pm. Left it around eight. So
you're getting like it's nice and sunny, the sun's going down.
This is a beautiful spot. Went out there for a
friend's wife's birthday. Great wines, pizza, You got like a
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little vineyard. It's like all one of those all encompassing
venues where it's a spa, it's a hotel, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
At the Poor Seasons.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Dude, it's so But it was like the way it
was laid out and like the vibes.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Were poor seasons, dude, it's a nice thing. A poor
seasons is nice?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Is this a four seasons?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yep?
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Okay, Well this part of the this complex you're in,
the stone House was just there was grapes growing on vines.
It was just everyone was just a great guitar player
playing for the crowd. It was a really nice time. Also,
a couple more little loves Fever. They're on a five
game winning streak without Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
How about that? That's all I know. I've been filling in.
Are we doing two loves?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Now? What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah? They're little loves? Do that you can't? You have
to have one big one?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, yes, Can I just do one more little one?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
No?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Iowa No, Iowa in the coach's poll, which is perfect.
That's right where we want them. No, right where we
want them. Three loves for the price of one.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's Iowa samming it, folks. It is though.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Jay and a third love wasn't in from the weekend
Third levels right Monday.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's from Friday to Monday's.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I love documentaries. Somebody within these Walls last week said
Netflix offers no good content and I would say, the
best documentaries, I would say are on Netflix. But I
watched the documentary on HBO this past weekend on Billy Joel.
I'm on record here is saying I'm not a big
fan of Billy Joel. I don't really like his music.
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But a good documentary, it's a good American story, well done,
lots of stuff I didn't know about. And then speaking
of documentaries, I've seen each of the Fire Festival docs.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Wait wait, wait, wait are you doing? How many are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I'm doing what well? By the way, I do want
to also interject, like, if you know the documentary, if
you know everything that's in it, then it's not as
good of a documentary. I feel like to Jason's point,
he's like, you know, didn't know a lot of this stuff,
I think that's like ninety percent of it. Like if
you're finding out new stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Sure, and I forget.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I think I've seen all the Fire Festival documentaries, even
though I know most of it. I think four streaming
services have done a Fire Festival documentary. It's an amazing
story of greed and people wanting to be famous and wealthy.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
And there's going to be a there's going to be
a second one. They're going to try to do the
firefest again, is what I've heard. Oh really, like with
the same guy who like corupted them and was promising
things you couldn't That's what I heard, which is why rule?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean, who would go back for a second time
when things are really bad and everybody? Oh wait, my bad?
All right, let let's can I give Can I give
you the thing I hated I left on the weekend?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Sorry, yes, but might But the fire Festival reminded me
of something that happened this weekend in sports.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
The Bristol Motor Speedwall. Oh yeah, was called the fire
Festival of Major League Baseball this weekend as rain ruined things.
They weren't prepared for the rain. I guess you need
different infrastructure to handle rain at a raceway than you
do a Major League Baseball game. The broadcast was unaware
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that it had been postponed, so the broadcasters are telling
viewers coming up is the baseball game, as it's already
been postponed. There are pictures of concession running out prior
to the Star Spangled banner. There are pictures of horrible
seats where you can't really see the field the Fire
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Festival of Major League Baseball this weekend at Bristol Motor Speedway.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I gotta I gotta ask. I mean, maybe maybe this
is a dumb question. Why did they have it? And
why did they have the the outfield stands be like
the oval stands. Why wouldn't she turn it the opposite way?
Was there none of space?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Like have the home plate in the corner of the turn?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That way? Yeah, that's that's actually a good question. Honest,
that's actually a really good question. I don't I don't
know why.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I just it was that that setup was weird
because there were yet know, all those obstructed seats, but
the obstructed seats couldn't see the field. You still would
have had obstructed seats, but it would have been able
to see home plate. Yes, so yeah, that one. The
whole thing was a complete crap.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Show effort, at least for trying to do something cool.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, I totally agree. But at some point somebody should
have gone like, hey, yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy, did you just
start here? Like yeah, I'm sorry, guys, guys, Joe, what happens?
It rains.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The best picture I saw was the guy with two
hot dogs because they ran out of buns, so he
just had two hot dogs and his nachos had zero cheese,
so it was just chips chips. Hey, yeah, that's that's
Bristol baby.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
All right, let me give you what I left from
the weekend. Uh, Sophie Cunningham. Does anyone not have a
secret crush on Sephie Cunningham? All right? The most like
you got anybody who like celebrating their anniversary, Like, hey,
didn see your christ like Sephie Cunningham. She tweets out again.
I'm all I'm doing is a radio host is reading
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a tweet. Stop throwing dildos on the court. You're going
to hurt one of us. I mean, just the ability
to go like, hey, I can we can have a
little fun with this instead of pretending like it didn't happen.
I will ask like what is the deal? It's funny,
but at some point you're like, yeah, not really happened once.
Now it's like somebody going with the jerk store line up.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, someone's gonna get hurt out here. But adds up
save it for the Bills games.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Okay, that was funny when it was in the Bills game.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
In the inZone. Those weren't Neon Green. That's what I
think makes this hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, well it was quite the week in the w
NBA right where you had one girl's wig was ripped off, right,
and then you had those things thrown on the court
three times. Uh, Caitlin Clark's still not playing and didn't
Jinay Carrington did she get traded?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
The links now, I like, how again? And nobody wants
to make it look like they know how to handle
these things, so they everybody just becomes paralyzed as it
just sits there on the floor because nobody wants to
take the initiative. And I did see on the second
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toss this weekend someone threw a towel over it, like
someone just like severely broke their leg and that you
don't want people to see, so you just throw a
towel over it. And then they picked up the the
object that was on the floor.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
There's a little bit of the duty in the pool
and Catshack feels.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It does its.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Running and then you're like, drain the pool, clean it
and then Bill Murray picks it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Up where supposed to where Bill Murray?
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yeah, anyway, a whole new world they're living in.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
All right, let's get to what we hated it from
the weekend, and we'll start with a resident hater, Jason Steward, Jay.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Su I hate being over fifty, and I hate suffering
soft tissue injuries. It has been quite some time since
I did that, but I tweaked my quad muscle this
past weekend and I was shelved for all day Sunday.
Probably not going to be able to make my Wednesday
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softball game this weekend. And I have a vacation coming
up where my super hot girlfriend promised me we're going
to be doing a lot of walking, so I might
have my vacation compromise my midweek softball game compromise all
because I'm fifty two years old and suffered a soft
tissue injury.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I hate that. Screw you soft tissue injury.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Oh my nut, my nut, my neck in my that
was it?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Rundom first Pace that what happened?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yeah, I was jogging out a ball at a first
base Yep, I saw you hit a dinger.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Though Rich Davis reposted you hitting a dinger, A real dinger.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I'm gonna tell you, I despise adult softball. I just do.
It's it's not because I had. I mean, look, you
get flashbacks of the little league when you're playing and
you're like fielding, like that's fun. But one there's so
much standing around that that's like it to happen. I'm
a competitive person, I also, but I don't care that much, right,
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and then you'll get you'll get a try hard that
really cares. Then you other guys are just hammered. Maybe
it's that anytime I played, I used to play with
ESPN Radio. We used to have a softball team, but
I don't know. It was during the day, so it
was like sober softball and you just had guys that
were former baseball players so into it, you know. And
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so I want to be competitive, but I'm no, I'm
not good. On the other hand, I really don't want
to get yelled at by somebody who I don't think
is yeah. I think like sorry, dude, like this is
not my world series. I don't know, just not a
big adult softball league guy. And the fact that you
hold your hamm he's a perfect example of why not.
Like what is the what's the best thing that could happen?
I can have? I can hit a home run and
we can win that. I don't care about. Worst thing
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I am is I get hurt. And that's what happened
just two Dan Barrow Jake from the Weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Doug gentlemen by the name of Thomas Bailey is getting
the raw end of the deal. And I'm sure that
there's arguments saying that he is in. But Bailey is
eighty eight years old. And thanks to the Knoxville News
for giving me a heads up on this one. Bailey
is a lifelong Tennessee basketball fan and he is now
being priced out of his seats where the Valls play
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Thompson Bowling Arena because of an increase in ticket prices.
He's been a season ticket older since nineteen sixty seven.
In fairness to Tennessee, they have allowed him to have
a discount on his seats over a decent amount of
time because of his because of his age, and also
because of his loyalty to the program. But now there
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are going to be new courtside club seats and his
ticket price went up three thousand dollars from what he
would previously have paid. They allowed him, they said, you
can have a seat for that price in the upper deck,
but he is now being moved because of this high
end club that they are trying to build to help
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to help the finances of the new world of college basketball.
This isn't the only one. Arkansas fans, I know, we're
really mad at the end of last season that they
were heading into this season that they were getting displaced
because of ticket deals. I think we're hearing more and
more of this, which is too bad, because I think
college basketball fans are truly some of the best that
there are in the game.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And I hated that the Astros have short memories, right,
didn't the Astros stop the game because they thought the
Red Sox were stealing signs? That did happen, yes, pot
colin the kettle. And the fact that everybody didn't just
stop collectctively and laugh and point the finger at them.
I hated that. I hate that. I liked it some
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of us remembered. I didn't like the fact that that
game should have been stopped and everybody should just laugh
to the Astros and say, hey, listen, I get it,
I get it. Yeah, Coorro's over there, sure got it.
You guys can't do it. Sorry, no trash cans here.
And that is love and hate.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio
and the new author of a book, and of course
he's written other books, but it's called Football Done Right.
It's Michael Lombardi. He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. And you've basically done everything
at the professional level of football, right from being a
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general manager to being kind of the consingly area you
name it, and then of course covering the game periodically
throughout the last fifteen or so years, as well as
getting back into business now moving to the college side.
But it's kind of the professionalization of the college side.
What's it like for you.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
It's been fun, Doug, It's been great. I think you
nailed it. It is a professional sport. I mean, look
what players are getting paid, which they deserve to get
paid because of the revenue that they've generated for the
universities across the board, and now that help other sports,
help and help other sports and also help the institution.
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But it's been fun. I mean other than attending an
academic meeting. My job is pretty much the same as
it was working at all the NFL teams. It's salary
cap it's team building, it's understanding how to utilize your
money that you have available to you and in the
best way possible.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think. So what's interesting is obviously your level, you
guys are able to break it apart where Coach Belichick
does football and you do You're the GM, right, there's
there's a separate, a little a slight separation of church
and state. My level, I kind of do everything. We
hired a hire, We have a GM who's the former
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player who's going to help us. But it's not to
the level that that you're doing. So I guess here's
the first question that all guys ask them, we all
ask each other, is are you are you tearing it
or are you going after certain guys and being like,
what is your what's the general plan for how you
guys do what you do within the ciscope of your
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salary structure?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Well, I mean everything about the job that I have
is the same as the job in professional football. You
have to grade the players accurately to then determine how
much you tell them, you know, the NFL draft is
all about how much money. It's all money the NFL draft.
If you get picked the first pick in the second round,
you make X. If you get picked the last pick
in the seventh round, you make why. And that why
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in that X has to be equated to a description.
This player will come in and start immediately. He'll make
a huge impact on the team, and he'll be all
conference or whatever. Whatever the description is that translates into
how much you should pay the player. Where you get
in trouble is when you have a guy you grade
as a backup player and you pay him like a starter.
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That's when you get in trouble. So the first thing
you have to do is put together a grading system
that allows you to accurately grade the players.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Do you use analytic companies or do you use your
own grading system and your own film breakdown?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
No, we use our own system. I mean, football is
different than baseball. We're not as analytical as we have
some elements of analytics. But I mean, look, you know,
if analytics breaks down a game, do they tell you
who's on the field? Right? I mean it's easy to say,
you know, get into eleven personnel and throw the ball.
It's the best. But if Reggie White's the right end
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and the left end and you're the right tackle, can't
bock anybody. Do you really want to throw the ball?
I mean, that's fundamental question, right, It's all about how
the players intertwine with the plays do. I think it's
important to have some form of analytics, of course, but
to sit there and think that you can carry the
load with analytics, it's a little bit naive in the
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sense that you just you have to know who's on
the field. You have to judge the players right to
you want to go after Ron Woodson, who I wrote
about football done Right? Good? Go after them? Everybody did?
They double moved them early in the game because after
that you weren't going to get another play on them.
So it's about how to incorporate plays and players.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
In the new book Football Done Right? Did you when
you started it? Because I mean, look, anybody's written a
book or I thought about writing a book, knows it
takes a while. When you started, though, your your job
and your job description was completely different, right. Was there
any thought of college football when you started putting pen
of paper?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Oh no, no, not at all, I didn't think I
would get back into the team side of it, you know,
having worked in the NFL and when you get older.
In the NFL, he required to make too much money
and nobody wants to pay. So, you know, I felt
like I had a good job working on the media
side and I was enjoying that. And I love writing books.
I mean, my first book, writ Oro Genus, has sold
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really well. This book here gave me a lot of
pleasure to write. In fact, I felt really on this
past weekend. I felt vindicated because one of the major
themes of the book was why Sterling Sharp wasn't in
the NFL. It's the reason I really one of the
reasons why I started to write the book was the
injustice given a Sharp And look what happened. He got
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in the NFL. Not because of my book, but people
became aware of the injustice. You know, he said he
didn't play long enough, well even to Terrell Davis, either
to Tony Basselli. But so one of the rules, you know,
what what is long enough? And I think that's why
I wrote it and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
What about coach Belichick, you know, he again, at least
what we were told was man he really valued intelligence
right in the players that you guys drafted. You go
back to your days with the Patriots. How has he
adjusted to even smart college troball players hail in comparison
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to the level of football intelligence he's used to dealing with.
What's this process been like in terms of trying to
evaluate and trying to coach players of different levels of
football intelligence.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Well, you know, every football team, whether you're in high school,
whether you're in college or pro, you become who you
want to be. And everybody here knows we're looking for smart, tough,
and dependable players. And when you walk in the building,
that's the first thing everybody could hit with. We want smart,
tough and dependable, and if you're not smart, tough and dependable,
you won't be on our team. So that's what he wants,
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and that's the kind of player that we're trying to
build within the framework of the team. You know, football
teams become who they want to be. If you want
a fat team, you'll sign fat players. If you want
a skinny you'll sign skinny players. Right. Well, we want smart,
tough and dependable, which if we if they're smart, tough
and dependent, and they're self aware. We'll make them better players,
will allow them to grow and develop.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
In football. Done right. You talked about Sterling Sharp, who
got in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Okay, so
does that does Terrell Davis, Sterling Sharp, Tony BISSELLI does
that open the door for even a priest? Holmes right,
very short career, but very dominant in that short period time.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean I think he deserves I think part
of what I wanted to do and why. If you
go to the back of the book, you know I
wrote I wrote why. I wrote the book. And you know,
if you ever watched Larry David Curb your Enthusiasm, he
had an episode called the Middler where whoever sits at
the middle of a table at a dinner party is
responsible to stir up conversation. I think that's a really
good conversation to have. You know, what is the criteria?
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I think every position should have a criteria. I put
a criteria in there for coaches so we could stop
to debate is this guy a good player? It's no
different than a grading system in football. If you don't
have a system, everybody just argues back and forth whether
the guy's good enough. When you have a system that
describes what the player with the qualifications that must be
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meant to get into the club, there's no more debate.
For example, Marty Schottenheimer has won two hundred games in
his NFL coaching career. Two hundred. There's only nine people
that have coached out of the five hundred plus people
that have called themselves head coach that have achieved that
level of success, one out of five hundred and nine
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out of five hundred and seventy five. And he's not
in the Hall of Fame. If you're in that exclusive club,
don't you think you belong in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
there shouldn't be a debate. It should be automatically just admitted.
It shouldn't come to a vote. But well, he has
not won a Super Bowl. Okay, Marv Lee didn't win
a Super Bowl. Well he didn't get to a Super Bowl. Well,
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George Allen went to one Super Bowl. You know, the
only coach ten years he had a seventy percent winning percentage.
He lost at fourteen to seven to the Miami Dolphins
in the undefeated season. But he's in the Hall of Fame.
I mean, so, like, what is if there's no criteria,
all that happens is it becomes an argument.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yep, pretty much right. It's it's like the Constitution. We
picked the ones that we picked, the things we like,
don't we try to diminish the things we don't. We
do the same with the Bible, and we do the
same thing with with arbitrary sports arguments, where we'll leave
things out because it doesn't support argument.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Right. And if somebody as well is one favor with
the media and they the media like them, they'll push
the player to get into the Hall of Fame. You know,
they'll want the guy. I mean, that was the point.
You know, certain guys got pushed and did they deserve
to go in the Hall of Fame. Maybe they did,
maybe they didn't, But there should be an order, you know,
Mike Honggren's want you know, he belowns Mike Shanahan. We
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would have what would have the zone outside of run
play on one of the major and just this is
Clark Shaughnessy. We wouldn't have a forward pass if it
wasn't for Clark Shaughnessy. But yet we can't Clark Shaughnessy's
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
How does Aaron Rodgers do in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
I mean, I don't know enough about about how he looks,
and I haven't paid any attention to the NFL to
really say, but I think Arthur Smiths are a really
good coach. I think Mike Tomlin's a really good coach.
And I think if he follows the program, you know,
the program, one player is not going to win for you.
It's going to be the program. I mean, I think
if he follows the program, that will really help.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Last thing I know you got to in the NFL.
I've been told the hit rate for free and C
is like thirty three percent. Right, what do you think
a reasonable hit rate in year one for you would
be at North Carolina? I mean for recruiting, Yeah, in
terms of devaluate guys achieving what you thought they would
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achieve when.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Your well, I mean, we have seventy new players on
the team, so it's hard. It's a completely new team.
I think to me, it's about one day at a time.
We've got to build it. We're building a culture. I mean,
that's the most important thing. When you walk into this building,
you'll feel a culture, you know, and that's what more
is the most important element of what we're doing. Once
you build a culture, then all of a sudden you've
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developed multipliers. You know, multiple you know what multipliers are? Players? Yeah,
of course, multiplayers, and so that's that's what we're doing.
And so that takes time, but it's also worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It is worthwhile. So as picking up this book, it's
called Football Done Right, you can pick up his other
book as well. It's either by Michael Lombardi course works
for North Carolina football. He's kind of to spend some
time with this. Picked up Football Done Right. Mike, thanks
so much for joining us. I know you're busy. Really
appreciate you time.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
I appreciate you. By bye,
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good day. It's say Wednesday, it's a hump day. That
means we got the Midway. I think you enjoy the Midway.
I want to Yeah, Midway. I want to talk about
I want to talk about the I don't think it's retirement,
but Howard Stern is leaving serious axem talk about the
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business that I I work in. Jay stew has worked
in Dan Byer's worked in for all of us over
twenty years. Sam, you're on what you were you on? Sam?
You're over a decade in, aren't you in radio? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Fifteen years. So that's a lot of experience we'll share
with our thoughts of Howard Stern. I don't know if
he's calling it quits or if I don't know if
he's done, if he's going to do his own thing.
I'm gonna launch a podcast, you know, the thing we
all think, we all do. Speaking of which, this show
is available in podcast form in the meantime, I want
to play for you something I saw on TV and
(01:49):
I was like what And then I heard Cowherd call
him out without calling him out again. That's probably the
art of cow Herd is many people he can call
out and he doesn't name their names, really smarter than
what I do. Whereas I just name their names. I
don't care. It's your words. You said it, you own it.
If I say it, I own it as well, as
long as it's not taken out of context. Right, Okay,
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So Shadoor Sanders is going to start for the Browns
in their first preseason game as Dan Bayer told you yesterday.
That's because Joe Flacco is old. You don't want him
getting hurt. And you know the other two quarterbacks, Dylan Gabriel,
who's drafted ahead of him, he's hurt. You know, both
quarterbacks in front of him are injured. So he's going
to get a chance to start. But I want you
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to listen to something that Lewis Ridicks said. Okay, remember
Lewis Ridick was a scout in the NFL. He's he's
been on a kind of a jet back to success
working at ESPN. Here was his take on Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps,
They play a whole half of a game and then
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all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake. Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach,
I never was in there in practice. You never even
talked to me during practice, But now you expect me
to know that's what they're gonna expect of him. But
if anyone can get it done, it's this kid, because
he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, they're making it out like the world is out
to get Shador Sanders. And this is one of the
most obnoxious things anyone could ever say, when it's about
themselves or about somebody else who was born on third base. Right, Sure,
it's difficult to start a preseason game. What's more difficult
(03:52):
starting your first preseason game or getting thrown in there
in the fourth quarter with the fourth stringers trying to
make I mean, Lewis Riddick like, you can mask it
all you want. You're obviously rooting for Shaundore Sanders, which
is okay, okay, But to make it out like Kevin
Stefanski is gonna do this kid wrong. Have you been
to Browns camp? Have you talked to Stefanski? Of course
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you haven't. You been on set of ESPN, So not
saying you don't have sources in the league. You do,
but you're just making assumptions like, oh, this is what
they're gonna do, and I know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna hold them to a higher standard. But
if anybody can do it, super snor Sanders can do it,
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why would that be the case? What would the purpose be?
I mean, just like again, let's just ask ourselves very honestly.
The Browns are in quarterback purgatory, right, quarterback purgatory. They
had to feel like they didn't have a chance to draft,
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or maybe they didn't want a quarterback in this year's draft.
That's why they trade it out of what the number
two spot and traded down right, So maybe they wait
for a year. But if the idea is well, they're
waiting for your If Shador Sanders hits, okay, they get
the steal of the draft. If relevance matters to you,
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you'll be very relevant. But it doesn't matter. They simply
want somebody who's good. And oh yeah, by the way,
he'll be inexpensive. He's a fifth round draft pick. He
costs you nothing. I mean, this is Brock Party two
point zero, only he was evaluated at a higher level
(05:43):
than brock perty even though brock Purty different but very
successful college quarterback who had some similar struggles late in
his college career because he was playing at Iowa State.
He wasn't playing at Oklahoma. But this idea, idea that
the world's out to get shod or Sanders. Oh, I
know how this works. They're gonna set him up for failure.
(06:04):
That's what Lewis Reddick said. They're setting him up for failure.
They're gonna ask him to do things. How do you
know that? Why would they do that? What would the
purpose be of it? And the idea that, well, this
is just so incredibly difficult. The only guy that could
do is to shoot or standers. I'm telling you right now.
(06:25):
Do you think it's more difficult and you probably don't
have all of the ones to play with half the
ones and twos? Or to come in the second half
of the first preseason game as the four stringer and
play with four stringers, especially a quarterback who is not
the most mobile, holds onto the ball too long, and
is in a new offense. Which one do you think
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is a more difficult task? And the idea that a
team that owns the rights to a guy who some
people had as a first round pick on their board
falls to the fifth round, and they don't want to
take advantage of what could be an absolute gift in
(07:08):
terms of salaries, right because remember they're still they still
have Deshaun Watson under contract. Deshaun Watson is still under
contract with the Cleveland Browns. I believe he gets paid
the next two years. Right. They reworked his deal in
this offseason. He's got two He tours Achilles ten in twice,
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so he's not going to play this year. He's he
doesn't get paid by the team. He gets paid probably
by insurance. But it does hit the books. If they
can have a rookie quarterback on a fifth round contract
and they can jettison you know, Huntley who they just
signed h and all the other court like they let's
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just kind of call it like it is, they'll be
have a chance to be the Niners two point er,
where you pay your quarterback nothing and you load up
your roster with dudes that I can really play things
that NFL teams don't do. You know, again, unless Shador
has actually like a complete ass the whole time, Unless
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he has made himself into a pariah. And if he
was made into a pariah, they would have already cut him.
They would have already moved on sign multiple quarterback. Well,
why they signed Tyler Huntley because you need more guys
to throw footballs. You can't have one guy throwing two
hundred balls every day at practice and everybody else's hurt.
You heard Dan Bayer yesterday and say, hey, everybody else's hurt.
(08:40):
There's a good friend of mine who's been a general
manager in the NFL, and he used to tell me
that when I'd ask him about these types of things,
he was like, honestly, you're watching football from an entertainment perspective.
It doesn't work that way. The only thing we care
about is if we can win. How can we win games?
(09:01):
And you can win games when you have more money
to play with for the rest of your roster, and
if you have Shodoor Sanders any really good enough and
he go in there and not screw it up and
just throw the ball. We're it's supposed to throw it.
If he doesn't have it, throw it away. You know,
get everybody what anything to get. Let's make it super
simple for you. You're just a rookie. You lineup, you
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might hand the ball off nine times and ten. Great
if you can do that, and we can save a
bunch of money, we can build up a roster around you.
But he say, I never forget this. I'd say this
with Jason earlier today, like that's entertainment. And yeah, ESPN
the E does tam for entertainment. But there's no E
in NFL. There's win games or get a new job.
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So the idea that they would rather make Shador Sanders
look bad by elevating him too soon despite a lack
of practice reps is comical. By the way, the job
of a backup quarterback is, if you have no reps,
figure out a way to get it done in the game.
Just kiss, keep it simple, stupid. But I told you
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guys this yesterday and I mean it. Shador Sanders is
going to be the new Kaepernick if he gets cut
by the Browns. Every time a quarterback goes down, you'll
have somebody go. You know, they should sign Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
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for the for the duration, for the duration. We got
a lot to get to. It is a a week
in which, by the end of this weekend, every NFL
team will have played a preseason football game. Everyone. So
that's big. That's big. Right now. All we have to
deal with is we've had scrimmages and lots of chatter
(11:36):
and scrimmage posts being post galore going out there, and
of course you had the Hall of Fame game where
nobody who's really going to play for the Chargers played.
But nonetheless, we do have at least one preseason game
in the book. Getting closer and closer to college football
season is those those schools are in pads were in August,
and of course major League Baseball coming down the stretch.
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And there's yet an another how would I do it? Well?
Would Jase do? What would the what would the word
words be? For? Yet another device? Was or was there
one or two that were thrown on the floor over
the weekend? Sucks toy toys, Yes, adult toys. I like
(12:22):
adult toys, adult toys, adult toys. Was there one or
two thrown over the weekend? I'm hearing too. I'm hearing too.
Two is what I'm hearing. Anyway, we got all kinds
of stuff on the docket. Without further ado, let's share
are things we loved, things we hated from the weekend.
(12:43):
We call it love and hate.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
God? I love you, and what did you hate?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
These?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Clarey is all right to our resident love A boy
with a really clean faded haircut is Dan byer? Dan?
Want you start us off with what you love from
the weekend?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
A dog wrestling has been a topic of conversation because
of the passing of Hull Cogan and this past weekend
with Summer Slam, and I'm gonna just tell you right out,
I did not order it. I did not watch it. However,
I have a great appreciation for showmanship and to see
what was flooding social media on TikTok on Saturday and
(13:23):
on X was the Seth Rollins cm punk situation where
cm Punk wins the title and then Seth Rollins, who's
been playing up this knee injury amazingly comes out and
it is just theater at its finest. And I also
love the niche niche industry, however you want to say it,
(13:47):
of people watching events and you watching them so they
will match up the video. And this happens a lot
in wrestling, where people are celebrating in this instance Cmpunk's
title and then they're guessing and then they're like, oh,
that's the end of it, and then sure enough Seth
Rollins's music drops and those streamers are going nuts. There's
(14:10):
something about that. I find it very interesting. I like
the watching people watching game sort of thing, and this
wrestling moment, like wrestling or not, you have to appreciate
the showmanship and the drama of it, and I thought
it was really really good. They had another one last
night as well, because it was a two night affair
with brock Lesner, so it was I love that. I
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love the excitement of it, the hearing, the music, the
pops as they call it. And you're talking to a
guy who's not a huge wrestling fan anymore, much bigger
when I was a kid and even in the college days.
But I just loved what I saw on social media
from SummerSlam this weekend.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Did I see something that was from wrestling this weekend?
Did I see something where somebody big walked away? Like,
what's the name of the guy? If the miss and
Kyle Brandt had a baby, what's the name of that guy?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So I don't somebody may have walked away. Again, I'm
not a huge wrestling fan. I just know that Seth
Rollins surprised CM Punk and cashed in his money in
the bank. And then the next night John Cena was
in the ring and brock Lesner came out after Cody
Rhodes and Sena had a match. Cody Rhodes, that's him, Okay,
(15:29):
was this Cody Roads his last thing? No? I think
it was thought to be Sena's last thing. But yeah,
his son, Yes, no idea.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
He has a shock of blonde, bleach blonde hair. He
looks like an evil guy in like a comic book,
like a villain in a comic book.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Jason thought it was a cross of Kyle Branton who
the Miss.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
The Miss and Kyle Brant so too real world alum
had a baby and it was Cody Rhoads with a
Shaka blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, there's Sam Wu's you left on the weekend.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Well, I love a good late afternoon, early evening meet
up at a beautiful place. I went to a beautiful
place this weekend on Saturday called the stone House in
Westlake Village. Yes, four pm. Left it around eight. So
you're getting like it's nice and sunny, the sun's going down.
This is a beautiful spot. Went out there for a
friend's wife's birthday. Great wines, pizza, You got like a
(16:28):
little vineyard. It's like all one of those all encompassing
venues where it's a spa, it's a hotel, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
At the Poor Seasons.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Dude, it's so But it was like the way it
was laid out and like the vibes.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Were poor seasons, dude, it's a nice thing. A poor
seasons is nice?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Is this a four seasons?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yep?
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Okay, Well this part of the this complex you're in,
the stone House was just there was grapes growing on vines.
It was just everyone was just a great guitar player
playing for the crowd. It was a really nice time. Also,
a couple more little loves Fever. They're on a five
game winning streak without Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
How about that? That's all I know. I've been filling in.
Are we doing two loves?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Now? What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah? They're little loves? Do that you can't? You have
to have one big one?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, yes, Can I just do one more little one?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
No?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Iowa No, Iowa in the coach's poll, which is perfect.
That's right where we want them. No, right where we
want them. Three loves for the price of one.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's Iowa samming it, folks. It is though.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Jay and a third love wasn't in from the weekend
Third levels right Monday.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's from Friday to Monday's.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I love documentaries. Somebody within these Walls last week said
Netflix offers no good content and I would say, the
best documentaries, I would say are on Netflix. But I
watched the documentary on HBO this past weekend on Billy Joel.
I'm on record here is saying I'm not a big
fan of Billy Joel. I don't really like his music.
(17:59):
But a good documentary, it's a good American story, well done,
lots of stuff I didn't know about. And then speaking
of documentaries, I've seen each of the Fire Festival docs.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Wait wait, wait, wait are you doing? How many are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I'm doing what well? By the way, I do want
to also interject, like, if you know the documentary, if
you know everything that's in it, then it's not as
good of a documentary. I feel like to Jason's point,
he's like, you know, didn't know a lot of this stuff,
I think that's like ninety percent of it. Like if
you're finding out new stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Sure, and I forget.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I think I've seen all the Fire Festival documentaries, even
though I know most of it. I think four streaming
services have done a Fire Festival documentary. It's an amazing
story of greed and people wanting to be famous and wealthy.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
And there's going to be a there's going to be
a second one. They're going to try to do the
firefest again, is what I've heard. Oh really, like with
the same guy who like corupted them and was promising
things you couldn't That's what I heard, which is why rule?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean, who would go back for a second time
when things are really bad and everybody? Oh wait, my bad?
All right, let let's can I give Can I give
you the thing I hated I left on the weekend?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Sorry, yes, but might But the fire Festival reminded me
of something that happened this weekend in sports.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
The Bristol Motor Speedwall. Oh yeah, was called the fire
Festival of Major League Baseball this weekend as rain ruined things.
They weren't prepared for the rain. I guess you need
different infrastructure to handle rain at a raceway than you
do a Major League Baseball game. The broadcast was unaware
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that it had been postponed, so the broadcasters are telling
viewers coming up is the baseball game, as it's already
been postponed. There are pictures of concession running out prior
to the Star Spangled banner. There are pictures of horrible
seats where you can't really see the field the Fire
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Festival of Major League Baseball this weekend at Bristol Motor Speedway.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I gotta I gotta ask. I mean, maybe maybe this
is a dumb question. Why did they have it? And
why did they have the the outfield stands be like
the oval stands. Why wouldn't she turn it the opposite way?
Was there none of space?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Like have the home plate in the corner of the turn?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That way? Yeah, that's that's actually a good question. Honest,
that's actually a really good question. I don't I don't
know why.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I just it was that that setup was weird
because there were yet know, all those obstructed seats, but
the obstructed seats couldn't see the field. You still would
have had obstructed seats, but it would have been able
to see home plate. Yes, so yeah, that one. The
whole thing was a complete crap.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Show effort, at least for trying to do something cool.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, I totally agree. But at some point somebody should
have gone like, hey, yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy, did you just
start here? Like yeah, I'm sorry, guys, guys, Joe, what happens?
It rains.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The best picture I saw was the guy with two
hot dogs because they ran out of buns, so he
just had two hot dogs and his nachos had zero cheese,
so it was just chips chips. Hey, yeah, that's that's
Bristol baby.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
All right, let me give you what I left from
the weekend. Uh, Sophie Cunningham. Does anyone not have a
secret crush on Sephie Cunningham? All right? The most like
you got anybody who like celebrating their anniversary, Like, hey,
didn see your christ like Sephie Cunningham. She tweets out again.
I'm all I'm doing is a radio host is reading
(21:58):
a tweet. Stop throwing dildos on the court. You're going
to hurt one of us. I mean, just the ability
to go like, hey, I can we can have a
little fun with this instead of pretending like it didn't happen.
I will ask like what is the deal? It's funny,
but at some point you're like, yeah, not really happened once.
Now it's like somebody going with the jerk store line up.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, someone's gonna get hurt out here. But adds up
save it for the Bills games.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Okay, that was funny when it was in the Bills game.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
In the inZone. Those weren't Neon Green. That's what I
think makes this hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, well it was quite the week in the w
NBA right where you had one girl's wig was ripped off, right,
and then you had those things thrown on the court
three times. Uh, Caitlin Clark's still not playing and didn't
Jinay Carrington did she get traded?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
The links now, I like, how again? And nobody wants
to make it look like they know how to handle
these things, so they everybody just becomes paralyzed as it
just sits there on the floor because nobody wants to
take the initiative. And I did see on the second
(23:20):
toss this weekend someone threw a towel over it, like
someone just like severely broke their leg and that you
don't want people to see, so you just throw a
towel over it. And then they picked up the the
object that was on the floor.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
There's a little bit of the duty in the pool
and Catshack feels.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It does its.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Running and then you're like, drain the pool, clean it
and then Bill Murray picks it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Up where supposed to where Bill Murray?
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yeah, anyway, a whole new world they're living in.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
All right, let's get to what we hated it from
the weekend, and we'll start with a resident hater, Jason Steward, Jay.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Su I hate being over fifty, and I hate suffering
soft tissue injuries. It has been quite some time since
I did that, but I tweaked my quad muscle this
past weekend and I was shelved for all day Sunday.
Probably not going to be able to make my Wednesday
(24:26):
softball game this weekend. And I have a vacation coming
up where my super hot girlfriend promised me we're going
to be doing a lot of walking, so I might
have my vacation compromise my midweek softball game compromise all
because I'm fifty two years old and suffered a soft
tissue injury.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I hate that. Screw you soft tissue injury.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Oh my nut, my nut, my neck in my that
was it?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Rundom first Pace that what happened?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yeah, I was jogging out a ball at a first
base Yep, I saw you hit a dinger.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Though Rich Davis reposted you hitting a dinger, A real dinger.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I'm gonna tell you, I despise adult softball. I just do.
It's it's not because I had. I mean, look, you
get flashbacks of the little league when you're playing and
you're like fielding, like that's fun. But one there's so
much standing around that that's like it to happen. I'm
a competitive person, I also, but I don't care that much, right,
(25:25):
and then you'll get you'll get a try hard that
really cares. Then you other guys are just hammered. Maybe
it's that anytime I played, I used to play with
ESPN Radio. We used to have a softball team, but
I don't know. It was during the day, so it
was like sober softball and you just had guys that
were former baseball players so into it, you know. And
(25:46):
so I want to be competitive, but I'm no, I'm
not good. On the other hand, I really don't want
to get yelled at by somebody who I don't think
is yeah. I think like sorry, dude, like this is
not my world series. I don't know, just not a
big adult softball league guy. And the fact that you
hold your hamm he's a perfect example of why not.
Like what is the what's the best thing that could happen?
I can have? I can hit a home run and
we can win that. I don't care about. Worst thing
(26:08):
I am is I get hurt. And that's what happened
just two Dan Barrow Jake from the Weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Doug gentlemen by the name of Thomas Bailey is getting
the raw end of the deal. And I'm sure that
there's arguments saying that he is in. But Bailey is
eighty eight years old. And thanks to the Knoxville News
for giving me a heads up on this one. Bailey
is a lifelong Tennessee basketball fan and he is now
being priced out of his seats where the Valls play
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Thompson Bowling Arena because of an increase in ticket prices.
He's been a season ticket older since nineteen sixty seven.
In fairness to Tennessee, they have allowed him to have
a discount on his seats over a decent amount of
time because of his because of his age, and also
because of his loyalty to the program. But now there
(26:58):
are going to be new courtside club seats and his
ticket price went up three thousand dollars from what he
would previously have paid. They allowed him, they said, you
can have a seat for that price in the upper deck,
but he is now being moved because of this high
end club that they are trying to build to help
(27:23):
to help the finances of the new world of college basketball.
This isn't the only one. Arkansas fans, I know, we're
really mad at the end of last season that they
were heading into this season that they were getting displaced
because of ticket deals. I think we're hearing more and
more of this, which is too bad, because I think
college basketball fans are truly some of the best that
there are in the game.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And I hated that the Astros have short memories, right,
didn't the Astros stop the game because they thought the
Red Sox were stealing signs? That did happen, yes, pot
colin the kettle. And the fact that everybody didn't just
stop collectctively and laugh and point the finger at them.
I hated that. I hate that. I liked it some
(28:05):
of us remembered. I didn't like the fact that that
game should have been stopped and everybody should just laugh
to the Astros and say, hey, listen, I get it,
I get it. Yeah, Coorro's over there, sure got it.
You guys can't do it. Sorry, no trash cans here.
And that is love and hate.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
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Speaker 1 (28:31):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio
and the new author of a book, and of course
he's written other books, but it's called Football Done Right.
It's Michael Lombardi. He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. And you've basically done everything
at the professional level of football, right from being a
(28:52):
general manager to being kind of the consingly area you
name it, and then of course covering the game periodically
throughout the last fifteen or so years, as well as
getting back into business now moving to the college side.
But it's kind of the professionalization of the college side.
What's it like for you.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
It's been fun, Doug, It's been great. I think you
nailed it. It is a professional sport. I mean, look
what players are getting paid, which they deserve to get
paid because of the revenue that they've generated for the
universities across the board, and now that help other sports,
help and help other sports and also help the institution.
(29:31):
But it's been fun. I mean other than attending an
academic meeting. My job is pretty much the same as
it was working at all the NFL teams. It's salary
cap it's team building, it's understanding how to utilize your
money that you have available to you and in the
best way possible.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think. So what's interesting is obviously your level, you
guys are able to break it apart where Coach Belichick
does football and you do You're the GM, right, there's
there's a separate, a little a slight separation of church
and state. My level, I kind of do everything. We
hired a hire, We have a GM who's the former
(30:09):
player who's going to help us. But it's not to
the level that that you're doing. So I guess here's
the first question that all guys ask them, we all
ask each other, is are you are you tearing it
or are you going after certain guys and being like,
what is your what's the general plan for how you
guys do what you do within the ciscope of your
(30:31):
salary structure?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Well, I mean everything about the job that I have
is the same as the job in professional football. You
have to grade the players accurately to then determine how
much you tell them, you know, the NFL draft is
all about how much money. It's all money the NFL draft.
If you get picked the first pick in the second round,
you make X. If you get picked the last pick
in the seventh round, you make why. And that why
(30:54):
in that X has to be equated to a description.
This player will come in and start immediately. He'll make
a huge impact on the team, and he'll be all
conference or whatever. Whatever the description is that translates into
how much you should pay the player. Where you get
in trouble is when you have a guy you grade
as a backup player and you pay him like a starter.
(31:14):
That's when you get in trouble. So the first thing
you have to do is put together a grading system
that allows you to accurately grade the players.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Do you use analytic companies or do you use your
own grading system and your own film breakdown?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
No, we use our own system. I mean, football is
different than baseball. We're not as analytical as we have
some elements of analytics. But I mean, look, you know,
if analytics breaks down a game, do they tell you
who's on the field? Right? I mean it's easy to say,
you know, get into eleven personnel and throw the ball.
It's the best. But if Reggie White's the right end
(31:53):
and the left end and you're the right tackle, can't
bock anybody. Do you really want to throw the ball?
I mean, that's fundamental question, right, It's all about how
the players intertwine with the plays do. I think it's
important to have some form of analytics, of course, but
to sit there and think that you can carry the
load with analytics, it's a little bit naive in the
(32:14):
sense that you just you have to know who's on
the field. You have to judge the players right to
you want to go after Ron Woodson, who I wrote
about football done Right? Good? Go after them? Everybody did?
They double moved them early in the game because after
that you weren't going to get another play on them.
So it's about how to incorporate plays and players.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
In the new book Football Done Right? Did you when
you started it? Because I mean, look, anybody's written a
book or I thought about writing a book, knows it
takes a while. When you started, though, your your job
and your job description was completely different, right. Was there
any thought of college football when you started putting pen
of paper?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Oh no, no, not at all, I didn't think I
would get back into the team side of it, you know,
having worked in the NFL and when you get older.
In the NFL, he required to make too much money
and nobody wants to pay. So, you know, I felt
like I had a good job working on the media
side and I was enjoying that. And I love writing books.
I mean, my first book, writ Oro Genus, has sold
(33:15):
really well. This book here gave me a lot of
pleasure to write. In fact, I felt really on this
past weekend. I felt vindicated because one of the major
themes of the book was why Sterling Sharp wasn't in
the NFL. It's the reason I really one of the
reasons why I started to write the book was the
injustice given a Sharp And look what happened. He got
(33:36):
in the NFL. Not because of my book, but people
became aware of the injustice. You know, he said he
didn't play long enough, well even to Terrell Davis, either
to Tony Basselli. But so one of the rules, you know,
what what is long enough? And I think that's why
I wrote it and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
What about coach Belichick, you know, he again, at least
what we were told was man he really valued intelligence
right in the players that you guys drafted. You go
back to your days with the Patriots. How has he
adjusted to even smart college troball players hail in comparison
(34:17):
to the level of football intelligence he's used to dealing with.
What's this process been like in terms of trying to
evaluate and trying to coach players of different levels of
football intelligence.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Well, you know, every football team, whether you're in high school,
whether you're in college or pro, you become who you
want to be. And everybody here knows we're looking for smart, tough,
and dependable players. And when you walk in the building,
that's the first thing everybody could hit with. We want smart,
tough and dependable, and if you're not smart, tough and dependable,
you won't be on our team. So that's what he wants,
(34:49):
and that's the kind of player that we're trying to
build within the framework of the team. You know, football
teams become who they want to be. If you want
a fat team, you'll sign fat players. If you want
a skinny you'll sign skinny players. Right. Well, we want smart,
tough and dependable, which if we if they're smart, tough
and dependent, and they're self aware. We'll make them better players,
will allow them to grow and develop.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
In football. Done right. You talked about Sterling Sharp, who
got in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Okay, so
does that does Terrell Davis, Sterling Sharp, Tony BISSELLI does
that open the door for even a priest? Holmes right,
very short career, but very dominant in that short period time.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean I think he deserves I think part
of what I wanted to do and why. If you
go to the back of the book, you know I
wrote I wrote why. I wrote the book. And you know,
if you ever watched Larry David Curb your Enthusiasm, he
had an episode called the Middler where whoever sits at
the middle of a table at a dinner party is
responsible to stir up conversation. I think that's a really
good conversation to have. You know, what is the criteria?
(35:52):
I think every position should have a criteria. I put
a criteria in there for coaches so we could stop
to debate is this guy a good player? It's no
different than a grading system in football. If you don't
have a system, everybody just argues back and forth whether
the guy's good enough. When you have a system that
describes what the player with the qualifications that must be
(36:12):
meant to get into the club, there's no more debate.
For example, Marty Schottenheimer has won two hundred games in
his NFL coaching career. Two hundred. There's only nine people
that have coached out of the five hundred plus people
that have called themselves head coach that have achieved that
level of success, one out of five hundred and nine
(36:36):
out of five hundred and seventy five. And he's not
in the Hall of Fame. If you're in that exclusive club,
don't you think you belong in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
there shouldn't be a debate. It should be automatically just admitted.
It shouldn't come to a vote. But well, he has
not won a Super Bowl. Okay, Marv Lee didn't win
a Super Bowl. Well he didn't get to a Super Bowl. Well,
(36:57):
George Allen went to one Super Bowl. You know, the
only coach ten years he had a seventy percent winning percentage.
He lost at fourteen to seven to the Miami Dolphins
in the undefeated season. But he's in the Hall of Fame.
I mean, so, like, what is if there's no criteria,
all that happens is it becomes an argument.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yep, pretty much right. It's it's like the Constitution. We
picked the ones that we picked, the things we like,
don't we try to diminish the things we don't. We
do the same with the Bible, and we do the
same thing with with arbitrary sports arguments, where we'll leave
things out because it doesn't support argument.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Right. And if somebody as well is one favor with
the media and they the media like them, they'll push
the player to get into the Hall of Fame. You know,
they'll want the guy. I mean, that was the point.
You know, certain guys got pushed and did they deserve
to go in the Hall of Fame. Maybe they did,
maybe they didn't, But there should be an order, you know,
Mike Honggren's want you know, he belowns Mike Shanahan. We
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would have what would have the zone outside of run
play on one of the major and just this is
Clark Shaughnessy. We wouldn't have a forward pass if it
wasn't for Clark Shaughnessy. But yet we can't Clark Shaughnessy's
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
How does Aaron Rodgers do in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
I mean, I don't know enough about about how he looks,
and I haven't paid any attention to the NFL to
really say, but I think Arthur Smiths are a really
good coach. I think Mike Tomlin's a really good coach.
And I think if he follows the program, you know,
the program, one player is not going to win for you.
It's going to be the program. I mean, I think
if he follows the program, that will really help.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Last thing I know you got to in the NFL.
I've been told the hit rate for free and C
is like thirty three percent. Right, what do you think
a reasonable hit rate in year one for you would
be at North Carolina? I mean for recruiting, Yeah, in
terms of devaluate guys achieving what you thought they would
(38:55):
achieve when.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Your well, I mean, we have seventy new players on
the team, so it's hard. It's a completely new team.
I think to me, it's about one day at a time.
We've got to build it. We're building a culture. I mean,
that's the most important thing. When you walk into this building,
you'll feel a culture, you know, and that's what more
is the most important element of what we're doing. Once
you build a culture, then all of a sudden you've
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developed multipliers. You know, multiple you know what multipliers are? Players? Yeah,
of course, multiplayers, and so that's that's what we're doing.
And so that takes time, but it's also worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It is worthwhile. So as picking up this book, it's
called Football Done Right, you can pick up his other
book as well. It's either by Michael Lombardi course works
for North Carolina football. He's kind of to spend some
time with this. Picked up Football Done Right. Mike, thanks
so much for joining us. I know you're busy. Really
appreciate you time.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
I appreciate you. By bye,
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