August 30, 2025 • 49 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug gives his take on the mega-deal in the NFL as the Cowboys send Micah Parsons to the Packers.
In this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew discuss the most intriguing storylines to follow in college football this year.
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
I hope you're having a great day.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every single day, same
bad time, same bad channel. Uh what should we talk about? Hey, guys,
you want to talk some baseball? Kyles Shober hitting four
home runs last night?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Going to do that?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Or we could talk some hoops? Right, we talked some
college football after last night. Whatever do you guys want
to talk about?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know Micah Parsons. So Micah Parsons is a Green
Bay packer. And let me just let me just give
you a little insight into my life. Right, I know
a lot of people. That's inarguable. I think most people
you get to our age and you know a lot
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of people. Now, I know a lot of people in
sports and in entertainment. None of this is new information, right,
none of it is new information. But I do know
a lot of people in sports. I do know a
lot of people that are influential in sports, especially in
the sport of football. And so what happened was two
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days ago John Cood, who works in State in radio,
tweeted out Micah frickin' Parsons. So people lost their mind
and they came to me because they think, well, you
know everything. I'm not an NFL insider. I don't purport
to be. It didn't make any sense to me at all, right,
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that the Cowboys wouldn't just sit tight and go, hey,
if we can come to an agreement, you play this year,
then you become a free agent next year knowing you
can franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That was my thoughts. I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So maybe we need an explanation why, by many people's estimation,
the best defensive player in football was traded a week.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And a half before the season was going to begin.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Here's Jerry Jones, owner the Cowboys, explaining why the deal
was made.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So we have the highest paid player in the NFL
at quarterback, and we made that commitment last year and
we're proud we made it and had everything to do
with this decision. Everything it is give us every opportunity
with Dak Press Good and Lamb and the base that
we've got to win now. This give gives us a
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better chance to be a better team than we have
been the last few several years since Michael has been here.
Not any negative on Michael, but we're trying to get better.
We're trying to stop the run and stay in the hunt.
I am very excited about very excited beyond any consideration
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of a regret of the consideration that we got in
this trade and have the player. I'm very excited about that.
It is more in keeping within my mind what's in
the best interests of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So it's all that wording is really interesting, right, What
does it all mean? What does it all mean? First,
let me take it to Jeene Slater. She's the NFL
Network reporter on the Cowboys. She's still a podcast on
the Cowboys as well, so she's dialed in there. She
had this to say on the Herd in regards to
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Michaeh Parsons and how he was how he was perceived
in in the Cowboys locker room.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
The truth of it is the building one here. Starting
about two years ago, we started hearing frustrations within the
locker room. And when I say frustrations, I don't want
to sit here and say that Micah Parsons is a
problem player. He certainly doesn't have problems off the field.
It's more of In talking to former coaches, one of
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the concerns was does he love football or he does
does he love the idea of being a football player
that gets the accolades, then gets the camera and the podcast.
And there would be frustration when they were in meeting
rooms and he would drift in and out. I would
describe it as just real he needs a coaching staff
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that's really going to dive in and invest in him.
We saw that with Dan Quinn. We saw Mike Zimmer
sort of buy in as much as he could, you know,
last year. But he's that type of player that just
requires a lot of buying and attention. And I think
it started to wear on the locker room. Let me
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change that. I know it were on the locker room
because in talking to previous coaching staffs in exit interviews,
there were a number of players who came to them
and said we have to do something about Mike.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We have to do something about Micah was actually that
was actually uttered. So in some ways this is about culture,
which is honestly the same reason that the MAVs moved
off of move off to Luka Dongic. I think the
problem with it becoming about culture is that if he
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was this big of a problem, if his problems outweighed
his production, then why did you offer him a five
year contract worth forty million dollars per year. Again, we
can get into how everything went sideways. We can get
into the fact that Jerry tried to negotiate without the agent,
and it would allow me to speculate, Hey, I don't know,
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maybe maybe Jerry got ticked because Parsons was a bad
actor in this deal. And I don't mean that he
was a poor actor. I mean he's a bad actor
from the standpoint of he started the negotiations without his agent.
Then when the negotiations got came to a head, then
he ran back to his agents like, Hey, they're trying
to negotiate without me.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's a possibility. What doesn't make sense about the Cowboys,
about what Jane Slater's saying and I'm not saying in
any way that what Jane Slayer's saying.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is not accurate.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But the idea that the Cowboys moving off of Micah
Parsons makes them a better team because he was killing
their culture, because he's not truly invested in being a
great football player, just being a Micah Parsons big personality.
That sounds great. Why ya from forty million dollars guaranteed
per year? Why did you come to an agreement.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That that?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That hasn't been answered for me, but I can tell
you from a Green Bay, Wisconsant perspective. Does the idea
of him needing a podcast, needing attention, wanted to get likes?
Does that should that be troublesome? Yeah, it doesn't fit
with how the how the Packers role doesn't fit without
the Packers role.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
But the argument the Packers can.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Make, whether it works long term or not, is, hey,
you're making forty seven million a year, now you don't
need a podcast. I do think a good young locker room,
actually an older locker room is probably the best place
for that type of act, a younger locker room. It
can go either way. But the part of the argument
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that doesn't make sense from the Cowboys perspective, is I
hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I get it. He had a podcast he you know.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The messaging is, I don't know if he loves football
as much as just loves the benefits of being a
football player.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That is.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Those are keywords for coaches to hear, because you want
somebody who loves what they do, you love what you do,
then you don't have to worry about him quitting on
a fourth down play when all is for not football
guys like guys that want to play football that are
grinders that love playing football. Basketball, same thing, baseball, same
thing we talk about all the time. You have to
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have guys that love it and not everybody's gotta love it.
But at his position, at his price tag, he's gotta
love it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But I'm struggling with the If he drove everybody so crazy,
why did they offer him such a big deal? Then
come to an agreement on the deal. If you didn't
want him and you wanted this to play out as such,
you could have moved him, or you could have gotten
as much out of him as you wanted this year.
Make him play under that contract. Fine, if he doesn't
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play play hardball instead, you bailed, you got a really
good player, you got two picks. But it doesn't make
sense in terms of how they handled everything. I get it,
Micah Parsons. Is this new generation. It's no different than
in baseball, guys that like to callac around the bass pass,
guys that handle things different. The old guard doesn't like it,
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and eventually the new guard becomes the old guard, and
they don't like it either. And I don't know what
happens with his podcast or other podcast, or if he
tones it down a notch or tones it down to notches.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What I do know is that the Cowboys up until
very recently desperately wanted him to return, and we're willing
to make him the highest paid non quarterback in the league.
That to me, does not scream of a guy who
they're concerned about what he does for their culture. Now,
if you're if you're if Jerry Jones is forget what
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he's saying. What he's thinking is this allows us to
load up for next year. And by you know, by
paying Clark, you know, pennies in comparison to what you
would have had to pay Micah, we save money, We
get more draft picks up on talent. That all sounds great,
but don't tell me your aims are to be competitive
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when you lose the best defensive player in the division,
maybe the best defensive player in the NFL, and you
replace him with a good player nine years in nothing
and a guy who lacked the pass rushing that Micah
Parsons had.
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a good amount to get to here. We have h Dana.
Jeremiah's gonna join us. We'll get his thoughts on the
Browns quarterback situation. We do have the press. We got
a lot of stuff. I think you'll like it. But
one of my favorite things we do all week is
right now, this is the middle of the week. It's
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a Wednesday. And and by the way, I always I
know when it's Wednesday out, Wednesday's my trash day. I've
become that guy. I've become that guy where getting through
a workout. My guys ran a hill a hill today
Beard's Creek Hill where getting through and I only did
it a couple of times, but you're just like, okay,
just make sure I can get through and not get hurt.
(11:30):
I've got to that point. I've also gotten to I
set my I know what day the week it is
based on when I take the trash out. I become
that guy as well. Garby, Yep, that's that's where I am.
I'm just going Garby. But it is a Wednesday, that's
the middle of the week. It's one o'clock on the West.
That's relatively middle of the day. And with our podcast
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that follows the show, it's the middle of the show.
That's why we call this part of the show the midway.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's not getting at.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
All right there, Jasetu, what's the midway time?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
I'll take it from here. I've got Sam Iowa Sam
has never been more outside here.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 9 (12:17):
IOA.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Sam has never been more excited about a midway topic.
He's like he was jumping through the phone to agree
with this group text message today. I want to know
from each of you what is the one storyline? Just one?
Because I want to I want to drill down on
the one. No need to be like, yeah, there's like
ten or fifteen. I'm looking forward. It's just one, the
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one that you were looking forward to the most, the
college football storyline this season that you are most looking
forward to see him play out. I will give Iowa
Sam the four only because he was so anxious to
talk about about this.
Speaker 9 (12:53):
Sam.
Speaker 10 (12:55):
I mean, it's got to be the AP's preseason number
one team. It's got to be text. Can they do it?
I think it's the first time that Texas has ever
been number one entering the season in the AP. I
could be wrong, but I swear I heard that somewhere,
And if I'm wrong, we'll take it out of the podcast.
To borrow an old joke from Jonas Knox, like they
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listen this, they always they have the money, they have
the boosters, they have the you know, millions of dollars
and invested into their their roster. They got college football
royalty in arch Manning. And you know, he is a
little experienced, He's got to play a little bit last year.
But people have wondered why did he sit so long?
And why why is finally now he's the starter when
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someone you know wasn't injured in front of him?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Why is he the starter now?
Speaker 10 (13:41):
But if if all goes to plan, Texas should be
raising that College Football Playoff National Championship trophy if the
rankings are what they are now at the end of
the season.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Could we drive down on that one?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Because I think the obviously the subcategory there, if not
the main category, is arch Manning as a college football casual.
This is how I see it. If college sports or
sports in general, is the ultimate meritocracy, why are we
just seeing him starting in a college football game. And
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if we're just now seeing him starting a college football game,
why is he like the consensus number one draft pick?
If he comes out like that, to me that that's
a lot of hype for someone who has taken so
long to actually get on a college football field as
a starter.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Anyway, Uh, can I take this one oh yeah, Okay,
do you remember when and again I'm not a big
Justin Fields guy, Okay, but do you remember when Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Was at Georgia?
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Vaguely?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, Sam, you remember Justin Fields at Georgia?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
I don't. I don't. I only remember I don't either.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
What I don't really did he play for Georgia at all?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He was the backup?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like Burrow?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, well Burrow Burrows up, Burrows a backup who was
a starter when he was at Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Uh it was.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Anybody, ilo, I mean, I want you to think back
for a second. Okay, So what happened with Joe Burrow
was J T. Barrett was there?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh yeah, and you're like j T.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Barrett now j T Barrett in college Joe Burrows last
year had thirty five touchdowns, nine interceptions. Great college quarterback.
And it's a lot like the presidency. It's really hard
to beat out an incumbent.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It just is, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And so what happens is like you sit there and
you're like, well, he's replacing a guy who wasn't a
good pro quarterback. Okay, but that has nothing to do
with whether or not they're a good college quarterback literally
zero literally zero. So again, go back, same period of time,
go back and use Georgia as your guide, because Georgia's
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quarterback at the time is a guy who I don't
think he's stuck on a college roster's Jake From. Okay,
Jake From also thirty touchdowns, six interceptions, and Jake From
is a you know, he's the consummate college quarterback you
know there four years could basically be governor just not
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a pro. So Justin Field's transferred and played, Joe Burrow
transferred and played. In this case, arch Manning didn't transfer.
He sat waited his turn behind a guy who's a
really good, highly recruited college quarterback, and now he'll get
his time. But the biggest thing is it's hard to
beat out an incumbent. And there's been plenty of these
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where the star quarterback was waiting in the wings. You're like,
if he's so good, why is he sitting? It's the
other guy looks better in practice. The other guy does,
knows the system, seeing everything, and so you're sitting there
as a coach going like, I could play the young
guy who's got more talent, But I'd probably lose a
game or two just because he does know what he's doing,
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whereas this other guy, this Jake prom guy, or this JT.
Perritt guy, they do everything I asked him to do
and nothing more, nothing less, And that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So anyway, I hope that answers your question. Jase too,
that's my opinion.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
That makes sense. I wanted to talk about coach Prime
as my most intriguing story.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
When the new surface recently that he had been dealing
with cancer, I remember in the speculation leading up to
that news that he was definitely going to take advantage
of this situation, just step down to do something else.
The timing with his sons moving on to the NFL
and all the it just made sense because all of
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us that have grown up with a youth sports dad coach,
as soon as the sun is out of the picture,
you lose the attention of the dad. I thought Coach
Prime was kind of in that ilk. So I'm gonna
see how it goes for him this season, how the
team does. If the report's out of Colorado, or that
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his focus on the detail is a little off, maybe
he's a little distracted and I want to see how
things play out like that. I what do you guys think?
Do you think coach Prime will be a fully attentive
to his team this year?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I have.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
No idea. I'm with you. I think it's fascinating. What
do you guys think? No idea, no idea.
Speaker 10 (18:50):
I mean that you know, should her we can get
all the get into all the reasons why he slipped
to the fifth round. But I mean, as far as
I know, Dion is he's recruiting great players of Colorado
and he's got great staff members.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
So what they topped out at nine to four last year?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
The who's the great staff?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Mevers that he is, uh, well he's got was it
Warren stuff?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He does have Warren Stapp. Again, I don't know if
Warren step is a great step. I don't know if
he's a bad one or a good but whatever. I
just know he's a huge name. But he's always been
Pat Trivers good.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
When I see NFL guys at Marshall.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Faulton assistant coach running backs.
Speaker 10 (19:29):
Yeah, so yeah, they got NFL stars. Usually I think
those guys know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
They do.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
But and again a lot of this is I don't know,
I don't know their level of grind. College coaching is
a grinder's job. Coaching football is a grinder's job.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
And here's another dimension to it.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that Colorado winds up having a
terrific first couple of months of the season and the
Cleveland Browns do not. Now, last year, it wasn't to
this extent, but it was, oh, would the Cowboys hire
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Dion Sanders as their head coach? Well, now you know,
they hire Schotteneimer out of the blue, and that wasn't
exactly a marquee higher. But I just wonder, knowing sports
media and especially social media as I do, if the
Browns have a rough couple of months and Colorado has
a great couple of months, I just wonder. That's all
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I'm saying, because I know social media and I know.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You know what's interesting about that is most franchises, oh
we go, no way, But the Browns yep, and the
Cowboys those are the two. But I just don't think
he's healthy enough to do it anyways.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, okay, my.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Most intriguing team is Alabama. Is Alabama. I mean, it's
a job that you have to take, but you really shouldn't.
Is placing allegend, you know, is replacing a legends and
Nick Saban is an absolute legend, absolute legend.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
So well, I want to start there.
Speaker 11 (21:14):
Though when you say it's a job, you absolutely have
to take the line of thinking is you don't want
to be the guy that follows the guy you want
to be right right, But again as a coach in
your opinion, from your perspective, more as a coach than
as a host.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I just like, are you really going to turn down Alabama?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like? So Bill Self? And I think Bill Self, with
his health, who knows this maybe his last year?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
We have two more years.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It looks like Josh Faughn is the heir apparent to
get it right, played their coach in the played in
the NBA, coach in the NBA. That that seems to fit, okay,
But you know, if Kansas comes open, you're trying to
place Bill Self, the most successful coach over the last
twenty years in college basketball, the most successful, So do
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you want to replace him? Like Woo guy won how
many straight Big twelve titles like fifteen or something, thirteen
or something, crazy consecutive Big twelve titles? Incredible right, won
two national championips, multiple final fours, the whole thing. So
somebody calls me is like, do you want to replay?
Do you want to follow Bill self?
Speaker 8 (22:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Do you want to be head coach of Kansas? Yes,
well you can't do one without the other. Okay, calein
de boor R he's at Washington. They're winning, but you
can't win consistently at Washington. That's generally the thought. Where's
it Alabama? You know, an unbelievable job, and they've been
able to be unbelievably successful and that name is synonymous
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with winning. Granted, most of it tied to Saban. What's
the thinking? I mean, I think there's some ego involved.
I also think there's the you don't get to pick
timing of getting that job. You got to take it
when you get the opportunity. It's so different than me
taking this job like it was it was it perfect
timing for my family?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, you know it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But my calculation was how often am I get to
get an opportunity before I'm fifty years old to take
a shot of being a Division I head coach and
at a place that needs to be built.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Actually, part of the calculation.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So my point is that Kalen de boor it's year two,
most people have very little patience. I thought he did
a heck of a job last year. It for year
ones are hard. I frankly thought they should have been
the College Wall Playoff. Obviously, the one loss went to
Oklahoma late in the year probably undid them.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
And then they lost their bowl game. They lost their
bowl game to Mission.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
There was the first time they won under ten games,
maybe even under eleven games in a long time, a
long time. I think it, Yeah, saved it first year.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So and like, let's also be honest, Okay, the days
of teams going undefeated are close to over with the
SEC right, Like it's just it doesn't feel like that
will be something that happens. So this is what I've
said this on Oklahoma radio stations. Like a good year
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for Oklahoma with that schedule might be eight wins. And
yet for Oklahoma, there's never a good year that has
eight wins. So you have to adjust to that, you
have to adjust to not having save it. I think
Alabama is my program that I'm most intrigued by this year.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Well, they have probably the best offensive alignement in all
of college football, Caden Proctor protecting their uh what program?
Man's Simpson drawing a blank on his first name, Bart, Yeah,
I was thinking Bart Simpson. But yeah, so they have
They certainly had the guys.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
But the SEC what you're Samon Grindach.
Speaker 10 (24:50):
Well, I opened up with Texas, but I also want
to run back real quick though. I am interested in
seeing how Michigan does under Shroon Moore and Bryce Underwood
taking over. He was just named QB one a few
days ago, so they're an interesting thing. Everyone's talking about
Penn State and Ohio State. Michigan though lurking in the
what I think fourteenth fourteenth? Yeah, and they have Bryce
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Underwood who came in as a highly tied of prospect,
so it should be interesting. Big ten SEC are going
to be really interesting and uh you know yeah, Isaac,
what do.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
You got there?
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Well, first of all, I'd like to publicly.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Cla something UCLA actually not this song USC.
Speaker 11 (25:30):
I would at this time, first of all, like to
publicly thank Fox Sports Radios Doug Gottlieb for taking my
selection of Alabama, which was I was totally gonna go with.
But that being said, I'm going to perhaps not surprisingly
go with North Carolina because as much publicity as there
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has kind of been on a different wavelength, it seems
like no one really knows what to expect from them
this year. Whether they're going to be all of a
sudden world beaters from the very start, or an elite
team from the very start because of you know, Belichick
and his program coming in, or whether it be something
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like a case of on the job retirement the way
that it goes for them during the regular season. So personally,
I really don't know what we're going to get from
North Carolina in twenty twenty five. I suppose it could
be some sort of disaster, or it could be really
really really.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Good right out of the box.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
I would personally think it would be much closer to
trending better than worse. But I think we're gonna find
out right away, obviously on on Monday against TCU, which
I think is gonna be a great spectacle. But it
just I don't think there's a ton of height for
the actual football yet. I think it's gonna hit probably
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on Monday, but I don't, I don't know. I just
I think it's a huge un known about which direction
this this thing is gonna go this year.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Eight and four. All right, I'll get the job done.
Eight four all right.
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Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's Doug gotlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I got a
thought for you, guys. So the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson
came to an agreement, right, And basically the agreement is like, Hey,
we're not gonna extend you, but we'll give you some
more money this year. Right, We're not gonna extend you,
but we'll give you some more money this year. Now,
(27:57):
what does X signify? I remember they put him, you know,
they shopped him a little bit, and there was no
trade made.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, it's possible the Bengals asked for too much, but
it's also possible that other teams they didn't want to
trade for a guy who then they'd have to give
a contract that they don't want to have to good
to give a contract to. And they feel like, let's
watch him play this year and then we'll figure it out,
figure out what we want to pay him, what we
don't want to pay him. So tell me if this
(28:24):
makes sense to you. Okay, tell me this makes sense
to you. Now, remember Trey Hendrickson's deal is I don't
think it's perfect by any means. Right, They gave him
a big pay bump for just a year. He's gonna
get fourteen million more this year. The revised deal also
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includes one million dollars in incentives if he plays sixty
percent of the plays and the Bengals make the playoffs.
So he's gonna make thirty million dollars this year. That's
pretty good, But they didn't want to extend him into
extra years, or at least at the rate that he wanted,
so he could be a free agent at the end
of the year. They had discussed a two year, seventy
(29:07):
nine million dollar extension, and the overall deal could have
equaled ninety five million dollars over three years while accounting
for his original sixteen million dollars this year. But there
are no guarantees beyond this year. So the agent us going, hey,
you don't want to agree to it, but beyond that,
(29:30):
let's just give us a raise and we'll be out
the door if we do well. I think it's a
deal where no one's happy. No one's really happy. Trey
Hendrickson not really happy. Is he with the Bengals yet?
Does he get paid yet? But does he have security
beyond this year? No, that's just like the deal that
he could have signed. And for the Bengals, they were
(29:54):
held hostage and end up having to double the price
of their leading pass rusher. And if he plays well,
they'll probably lose him. If he plays poorly, they probably
don't want to keep him. So what really changed when
they had him under contract and they didn't have to
do anything? But you know there's something about I know
(30:15):
this from broadcasting. People always say when when both sides
think you're a homer for the other side, you're right
down the middle of a broadcaster. And when both sides
are a little bit unhappy with a deal, you've probably
nailed it with this contract. It's the dug Outleab Show,
It's Fox Sports Radio. Earlier today, I got a chance
(30:38):
to catch up with Ken Griffy Senior and Ken Griffy
Junior on behalf of depend and their stands Strong for
Men's Health campaign raising awareness for prostate cancer screening. Guys, listen,
it's obviously an honor to speak with you both. I
have to point out that I'm right in the wheelhouse
of fandom for the Griffies, right, like Junior was the
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biggest thing on Earth, Ken Senior, what was that like
for you to experience, right, not just having him play
with play with you at the same time, but for
your son to rise to where he was literally the
biggest sports star on Earth.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Well, that was to me, it was amazing.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
I didn't think, you know, it would it would turn
out to be like that, But just watching him play
when I first went over to Seattle, he told me
I'm playing left field and he's playing center. He and
he draws a square box three square feet. He said,
you stand in that boxing and I got the rest
(31:41):
and I said, right, you know, so I dpt believing
him until I ended up playing with him. How good
he was in terms of how much ground tell kind
of army had the.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Power, which was really amazing to me.
Speaker 12 (31:54):
I didn't know yet that much power because a lot
of time, you know, I mean you I threw bat
and practice to from twelve years old to just about
his eighteenth birthday. But and he didn't get it hit
in front of me in any games, you know, for
six years. So I just told Bobby Cox. But I
was with the Braids at the time. I said, Bobby
was there they right before they drafted him, and he said,
(32:19):
he said, well, go ahead and see your son. And
I said, well, he can't hit, you know. So he
ended up that night. You know, first two at bats
he strikes out. I got to go down to Cincinnati
and play the rest because I went to Braids at
the time we got killed. I come back home and
I asked him, how do you do? He said, I
did find I said, how did you do? He said
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three for five two on run five r vat And
like I said, he didn't get it hit in front
of me. Tell his right before his eighteenth birthday. So
from twelve to eighteen, I had to watch the drop
and he did not make contact those six years. So
but to watch him play when I got his can't
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play with him, it was amazing. I enjoyed every minute
of watching play because I didn't think he covered that
much ground, but he showed me he can do it.
And then his arm was outstanding because I told him
one time he threw Roberto it was a Kelly out
at home plate from centerfield wall. Yeah, and I asked
him why did he get the cut off man? He
(33:21):
said it was easier to just throw it all the way,
you know, So yeah, he did get that out.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
But I did talk about him about to cut off man.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Can't Can you know? What what was the experience like
for you? And again I'll just tell you, like I
was in southern California like a middle school kid, and
part of it was that was in the sports center era.
But you were the first like baseball player. Maybe Bo
Jackson a little bit before you, but we first baseball
player that we could just sit and watch highlights of
(33:50):
you all day. Like it was mussy from your perspective,
What was it like?
Speaker 8 (33:56):
No, I mean getting.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
Drafted a sevent team, making too bigas nineteen, having guys
around me who had my back, I mean, you know,
Harold Reynold's day by like Mickey Brantley, Darnelle Coles, Jeffrey Leonard,
I mean all these guys were like big brothers and
all the guys who played with my dad's.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Against my dad.
Speaker 13 (34:20):
Every city I went into, they made sure that, you know, hey,
this is the areas you stay away from. This is
I'm going to come get you. We're having lunch. I mean,
I couldn't ask for a better group of you know,
big brothers and uncles and things like that. I mean,
I've come into a horseshoe basically. I mean the guys
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that you know took care of me, made sure I
was all right day in and day out, you know.
Speaker 12 (34:50):
And the one thing is true, I couldn't hit in
front of them because I wanted to. I wanted to
impress my dad. And he would sit there and he'd
just go, I don't just pretend i'm your mom, because
my mom show up and I go off.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
He show up.
Speaker 14 (35:07):
I came hit, and finally I got my first hit
and instruction with it, and he literally opens the window
of the r V and said, now was that so
bad and closes it and drives off.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
And from that point on, I was fine.
Speaker 13 (35:20):
But I just wanted to impress my dad like any
other because most people don't understand that, you know, he's
gone because he's still playing. And Saturdays and Sundays, you know,
most dads are watching their kids play, you know, they're home.
And I didn't get that opportunity. So when I did,
I tried to kill the ball and it backfired. And
(35:43):
that's when I learned that if I just go out
there and play the game the way it's supposed to be,
I'm going to be fine. But it took me until
I was drafted. And even when I got drafted, Mom
he came to visit me and Medford word of you. Yeah,
and I wrote four bats in one played appearance and
(36:04):
it was a ground ball back to the picture and
I and I can't hit that day, So I don't
get one of that.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
He's his son. You don't have to learn or learn
how to use wood.
Speaker 13 (36:15):
Bats, and you know I I from that point on,
I think the most bats ever broken one year was
maybe three.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You guys remember, I'm sure you remember that hat on
backwards controversy where you go into BP and people would say, hey,
you're disrespecting the game and Ken Senior for you for
a for a guy who you raised the best player
in baseball. Again, same thing, like you can't defend your
(36:45):
son on doing the right thing all the time. But
this was like a kind of a nontroversy. Controversy, how
did that affect you?
Speaker 12 (36:52):
They didn't know the story. The story was when he
was a little he was always come and his wife.
He told him to the kids up front, he said,
if they went games, you auysked him come in the
locker room.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
That was their biggest thing, was coming in the locker room.
Speaker 12 (37:06):
Pete Rose, people, Peter Rows, Junior, him, my son, Craig,
the barrier's kids.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:13):
That was their biggest thing, is getting the opportunity to
come into the locker room after a game, because if
we lost, they were coming in.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
So they enjoyed that. So the situation was Junior and
the kids would come in. They would go down to
the to the cages to play.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
You know, eacheuble grabbed their dad's glove or their hat,
and every day so Junior grab my hat and he's
running down there, and all of a sudden he's putting
the hat on like he's supposed to, you know, with
the bill out in front. Every time he went to
throw the vaull was go down over his eyes. He
couldn't see, but he finally just turned it around so
he can see. And that was for him just to
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catch and throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:51):
It was no disrespect of baseball or anything of that nature.
And people took it that way because they didn't understand
what happened, what he had went through when.
Speaker 8 (37:59):
He was a young kid. I know, my hat was
my hat was bigger.
Speaker 15 (38:03):
Than his from he said, you know, and that's that's
what happened. But everything everyone turned off.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You guys, realize though now you would walk out now
if you went to a plate appearance, everyone would turn
their hand, everyone would turn around.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
That that was the reason.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
That was the reason why he had his hat turned back.
What if he was disrespecting him, just so you can
see and catch the.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Ball, that's all if.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Obviously you can hear from my voice, it's like revered
terms and talking about you can if you could tell
the if you wanted the younger generation to know one
thing about you and your.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
Career, what would it be the one thing? Yeah, you
only got one shot of the career.
Speaker 13 (38:57):
Take pride in it day in and day out.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
You know.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
People take things for granted, like they're going to be
here tomorrow. They're going to do this tomorrow, They're going
to do that now. It's you know, you get one
shot at the thing that you want to do, probably
for the rest of your life.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
Take pride in it.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Early detection it's so incredibly important for all men, especially
African American men. It's why I'm honored to have you
guys join us, Ken if you could. Why is it
important to you that people understand about early detection for
prostate cancer.
Speaker 12 (39:35):
Well, that was the most important thing for me, was
the early detection. Going back to the history of my family.
I had four uncles that I lost through by state cancer,
and knowing that a lot of them they never went
to the doctor, they never talked about anything, and so
if they would have talked about it at that time,
(39:56):
I would probably got to know them more or act
then home period because they died early and I never
got a chance to meet them even talk to them.
But to me, being diagnosed early or screened early, well
it's a chance that you'll be you'll be your survival rate,
(40:19):
you know, so being you know, to me was the
most important thing was diagnosed early.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
I mean I had to go through so many changes
with the.
Speaker 12 (40:33):
Doing all the whole Actually, the whole process was kind
of tough on me because, like I said, I already
knew about it. But at the same time, you know,
if my mother had talked about it and I was
able to go through the whole process.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, it's it's Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Depend of course
has put a million dollars a million dollars in Prostate
Cancer Foundation. And obviously you guys teaming up with with
Emmett Smith as as part of this Camp Pain guys,
I cannot thank you enough for your time. And obviously
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you guys are the original father and son duo, and
I think your words and your belief and you're telling
people to open up a conversation, right, because that's that's
the hard part about it, right, Junior, is like just
having a conversation about it, which seems maybe embarrassing to some,
but it's way more embarrassing if you you wouldn't try
(41:26):
and get early detection survive.
Speaker 13 (41:28):
The actual conversation started, you know with us, you know,
a week after he got diagnosed, he was able to
sit down and tell me what was going on, tell
me about you know, the upcoming procedures, our family history,
and it enabled me to be able to talk to
my two boys, you know, and let them know, hey,
(41:52):
you know, this is what's going on.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
This is you know. And I think that's the key,
is to be able to have the conversation. You know,
one and eight men are diagnosed, you know.
Speaker 13 (42:05):
And being able to to have a survival rate that
increases as the earlier detech is important. You know, knowing
your family history, even if you don't know your family history,
go get checked, you know, being able to.
Speaker 8 (42:19):
To do certain things to make sure that you're there.
Speaker 13 (42:23):
I mean, there are a lot of things that he's
got to be able to teach my kids, because my
kids don't listen to me, just like I didn't listen
to him.
Speaker 8 (42:29):
It's always that skip a generation, you know.
Speaker 13 (42:32):
I tell people we have a he has a common
ally with my kids.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
They gang up on me, you know.
Speaker 13 (42:38):
Uh, so you know he has to be around for
them and you know and for me when you know grandkids.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
You know, I just had my first Yeah so oh
you didn't know that. Yeah, I'm no longer existed.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I just I just know that that you guys are
both the black when they say black do and crack,
I'm looking at you guys. Both and saying it's not
fair because Ken literally look the same as when we
played and the same like this is I'm you guys
are stuck in a time warp, but I'm not so
I had no idea, So congratulations.
Speaker 8 (43:13):
But yeah, but this is just about.
Speaker 13 (43:18):
You know, early detection, I mean being able to have conversations.
I mean that is probably the key to a successful
outcome is you know, not be embarrassed. I think you know,
as men were supposed to be tough and you know,
don't do this, don't do that, don't say nothing. And
you know, for him to open up really showed me
(43:40):
that I can open up to my kids. And I
think that's the most one of the most important thing
is to be able to open up the family and
and make sure that it's an easy conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
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Speaker 1 (43:53):
Absolute honor I think should depend for having allowing us
to have you guys on. And this is an incredible campaign.
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Speaker 1 (44:54):
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so we've all done the Maya copas and we're wrong,
and Kyle Raley's.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Kept it going.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't know if this is getting the attention it deserves, right,
Like to me, there's all kinds of.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Records, you know, I think.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I think a lot of us grew to have a
resistance towards records or towards first of its kind with
the Lebron James era, right because he's been playing so
long and because like Lebron James is the first ever
player blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah,
and like, I get it, he's awesome, but it's not
(45:42):
really it's like we can create it's like created records.
This is not a created record. Cal Ray is a catcher.
Catchers don't perform nearly as well in the second half
seasons the first half season. He also plays in a ballpark,
which is the hardest it, majorly baseball. They hit a
home run in and he's got fitty home runs as
(46:04):
a catcher, which you're not supposed to be able to do.
And it's not like Baseball just started keeping these stats.
Granted they didn't start playing one hundred and sixty two
games until you know, I don't know, forty years ago, okay,
But regardless of how many games they played, no one
who played catcher hit this many home runs. This is
(46:26):
a Again, I'm going to I have no reason to
believe otherwise. So this is a drug free, unbelievable season
from a player who plays a position that traditionally wears
you down, and he end up playing in a place
which is hard to do. What he's doing and yet
he's accomplishing all of it, and he's the first to
(46:49):
do it in a sport which has gone for over
one hundred and thirty years, and they've kept stats of it,
like Jase do Am, I over selling how big this
record is, how biggest number is.
Speaker 7 (47:01):
You're not You're not over selling it at all. And
I was just kind of looking this up as you
were talking to make sure I got this right. He's
played thirty one games at d H this year. To
your point, most catchers haven't been good enough hitters to
be DH through the history of whenever they whenever the
(47:21):
American League said they're going to bastardize the game, and
uh interjected the designated hitter. I want to say the
early seventies, Isaac so but no catcher has deserved to
spend his off days as a designated hitter. This is
kind of a recent thing, he said. Over forty home
runs now as a catcher, being a catcher on the
(47:43):
lineup and hitting forty home runs, that's by far the
big the the most that anyone's ever hit. As someone
who taught myself how to switch hit, and again, the
furthest I ever played was Juco summer tryouts. That was
the furthest I ever got until the world told me
I couldn't play anymore. But I taught myself on a
(48:05):
switch hit so have a I have a unique appreciation
for switch hitters. I love switch hitters and the fact
that he has been able to do something that only
Mickey Mantle has ever done, hit at least fifty home
runs in a season as a switch hitter. I mean,
it's remarkable what he's doing. And if he didn't play
in Seattle, I think he would get more attention. I
(48:26):
think that's his problem. The Mariners are kind of like
a I felt this with each a row. It's just
like they're a team, but they just they kind of
largely get ignored by a national media.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I would say that's completely true, completely true. But I
also think that part of the Mariners thing makes it
more impressive because that ballpark is hard to hit home
runs out of, you know, first of its kind in
Major League Baseball at a position that's really hard.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's crazy
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
I hope you're having a great day.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every single day, same
bad time, same bad channel. Uh what should we talk about? Hey, guys,
you want to talk some baseball? Kyles Shober hitting four
home runs last night?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Going to do that?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Or we could talk some hoops? Right, we talked some
college football after last night. Whatever do you guys want
to talk about?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know Micah Parsons. So Micah Parsons is a Green
Bay packer. And let me just let me just give
you a little insight into my life. Right, I know
a lot of people. That's inarguable. I think most people
you get to our age and you know a lot
(01:20):
of people. Now, I know a lot of people in
sports and in entertainment. None of this is new information, right,
none of it is new information. But I do know
a lot of people in sports. I do know a
lot of people that are influential in sports, especially in
the sport of football. And so what happened was two
(01:44):
days ago John Cood, who works in State in radio,
tweeted out Micah frickin' Parsons. So people lost their mind
and they came to me because they think, well, you
know everything. I'm not an NFL insider. I don't purport
to be. It didn't make any sense to me at all, right,
(02:07):
that the Cowboys wouldn't just sit tight and go, hey,
if we can come to an agreement, you play this year,
then you become a free agent next year knowing you
can franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That was my thoughts. I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So maybe we need an explanation why, by many people's estimation,
the best defensive player in football was traded a week.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And a half before the season was going to begin.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Here's Jerry Jones, owner the Cowboys, explaining why the deal
was made.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So we have the highest paid player in the NFL
at quarterback, and we made that commitment last year and
we're proud we made it and had everything to do
with this decision. Everything it is give us every opportunity
with Dak Press Good and Lamb and the base that
we've got to win now. This give gives us a
(03:00):
better chance to be a better team than we have
been the last few several years since Michael has been here.
Not any negative on Michael, but we're trying to get better.
We're trying to stop the run and stay in the hunt.
I am very excited about very excited beyond any consideration
(03:24):
of a regret of the consideration that we got in
this trade and have the player. I'm very excited about that.
It is more in keeping within my mind what's in
the best interests of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So it's all that wording is really interesting, right, What
does it all mean? What does it all mean? First,
let me take it to Jeene Slater. She's the NFL
Network reporter on the Cowboys. She's still a podcast on
the Cowboys as well, so she's dialed in there. She
had this to say on the Herd in regards to
(04:00):
Michaeh Parsons and how he was how he was perceived
in in the Cowboys locker room.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
The truth of it is the building one here. Starting
about two years ago, we started hearing frustrations within the
locker room. And when I say frustrations, I don't want
to sit here and say that Micah Parsons is a
problem player. He certainly doesn't have problems off the field.
It's more of In talking to former coaches, one of
(04:29):
the concerns was does he love football or he does
does he love the idea of being a football player
that gets the accolades, then gets the camera and the podcast.
And there would be frustration when they were in meeting
rooms and he would drift in and out. I would
describe it as just real he needs a coaching staff
(04:52):
that's really going to dive in and invest in him.
We saw that with Dan Quinn. We saw Mike Zimmer
sort of buy in as much as he could, you know,
last year. But he's that type of player that just
requires a lot of buying and attention. And I think
it started to wear on the locker room. Let me
(05:12):
change that. I know it were on the locker room
because in talking to previous coaching staffs in exit interviews,
there were a number of players who came to them
and said we have to do something about Mike.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We have to do something about Micah was actually that
was actually uttered. So in some ways this is about culture,
which is honestly the same reason that the MAVs moved
off of move off to Luka Dongic. I think the
problem with it becoming about culture is that if he
(05:48):
was this big of a problem, if his problems outweighed
his production, then why did you offer him a five
year contract worth forty million dollars per year. Again, we
can get into how everything went sideways. We can get
into the fact that Jerry tried to negotiate without the agent,
and it would allow me to speculate, Hey, I don't know,
(06:10):
maybe maybe Jerry got ticked because Parsons was a bad
actor in this deal. And I don't mean that he
was a poor actor. I mean he's a bad actor
from the standpoint of he started the negotiations without his agent.
Then when the negotiations got came to a head, then
he ran back to his agents like, Hey, they're trying
to negotiate without me.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's a possibility. What doesn't make sense about the Cowboys,
about what Jane Slater's saying and I'm not saying in
any way that what Jane Slayer's saying.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is not accurate.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But the idea that the Cowboys moving off of Micah
Parsons makes them a better team because he was killing
their culture, because he's not truly invested in being a
great football player, just being a Micah Parsons big personality.
That sounds great. Why ya from forty million dollars guaranteed
per year? Why did you come to an agreement.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That that?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That hasn't been answered for me, but I can tell
you from a Green Bay, Wisconsant perspective. Does the idea
of him needing a podcast, needing attention, wanted to get likes?
Does that should that be troublesome? Yeah, it doesn't fit
with how the how the Packers role doesn't fit without
the Packers role.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
But the argument the Packers can.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Make, whether it works long term or not, is, hey,
you're making forty seven million a year, now you don't
need a podcast. I do think a good young locker room,
actually an older locker room is probably the best place
for that type of act, a younger locker room. It
can go either way. But the part of the argument
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that doesn't make sense from the Cowboys perspective, is I
hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I get it. He had a podcast he you know.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The messaging is, I don't know if he loves football
as much as just loves the benefits of being a
football player.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That is.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Those are keywords for coaches to hear, because you want
somebody who loves what they do, you love what you do,
then you don't have to worry about him quitting on
a fourth down play when all is for not football
guys like guys that want to play football that are
grinders that love playing football. Basketball, same thing, baseball, same
thing we talk about all the time. You have to
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have guys that love it and not everybody's gotta love it.
But at his position, at his price tag, he's gotta
love it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But I'm struggling with the If he drove everybody so crazy,
why did they offer him such a big deal? Then
come to an agreement on the deal. If you didn't
want him and you wanted this to play out as such,
you could have moved him, or you could have gotten
as much out of him as you wanted this year.
Make him play under that contract. Fine, if he doesn't
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play play hardball instead, you bailed, you got a really
good player, you got two picks. But it doesn't make
sense in terms of how they handled everything. I get it,
Micah Parsons. Is this new generation. It's no different than
in baseball, guys that like to callac around the bass pass,
guys that handle things different. The old guard doesn't like it,
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and eventually the new guard becomes the old guard, and
they don't like it either. And I don't know what
happens with his podcast or other podcast, or if he
tones it down a notch or tones it down to notches.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What I do know is that the Cowboys up until
very recently desperately wanted him to return, and we're willing
to make him the highest paid non quarterback in the league.
That to me, does not scream of a guy who
they're concerned about what he does for their culture. Now,
if you're if you're if Jerry Jones is forget what
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he's saying. What he's thinking is this allows us to
load up for next year. And by you know, by
paying Clark, you know, pennies in comparison to what you
would have had to pay Micah, we save money, We
get more draft picks up on talent. That all sounds great,
but don't tell me your aims are to be competitive
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when you lose the best defensive player in the division,
maybe the best defensive player in the NFL, and you
replace him with a good player nine years in nothing
and a guy who lacked the pass rushing that Micah
Parsons had.
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a good amount to get to here. We have h Dana.
Jeremiah's gonna join us. We'll get his thoughts on the
Browns quarterback situation. We do have the press. We got
a lot of stuff. I think you'll like it. But
one of my favorite things we do all week is
right now, this is the middle of the week. It's
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a Wednesday. And and by the way, I always I
know when it's Wednesday out, Wednesday's my trash day. I've
become that guy. I've become that guy where getting through
a workout. My guys ran a hill a hill today
Beard's Creek Hill where getting through and I only did
it a couple of times, but you're just like, okay,
just make sure I can get through and not get hurt.
(11:30):
I've got to that point. I've also gotten to I
set my I know what day the week it is
based on when I take the trash out. I become
that guy as well. Garby, Yep, that's that's where I am.
I'm just going Garby. But it is a Wednesday, that's
the middle of the week. It's one o'clock on the West.
That's relatively middle of the day. And with our podcast
(11:51):
that follows the show, it's the middle of the show.
That's why we call this part of the show the midway.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's not getting at.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
All right there, Jasetu, what's the midway time?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
I'll take it from here. I've got Sam Iowa Sam
has never been more outside here.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 9 (12:17):
IOA.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Sam has never been more excited about a midway topic.
He's like he was jumping through the phone to agree
with this group text message today. I want to know
from each of you what is the one storyline? Just one?
Because I want to I want to drill down on
the one. No need to be like, yeah, there's like
ten or fifteen. I'm looking forward. It's just one, the
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one that you were looking forward to the most, the
college football storyline this season that you are most looking
forward to see him play out. I will give Iowa
Sam the four only because he was so anxious to
talk about about this.
Speaker 9 (12:53):
Sam.
Speaker 10 (12:55):
I mean, it's got to be the AP's preseason number
one team. It's got to be text. Can they do it?
I think it's the first time that Texas has ever
been number one entering the season in the AP. I
could be wrong, but I swear I heard that somewhere,
And if I'm wrong, we'll take it out of the podcast.
To borrow an old joke from Jonas Knox, like they
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listen this, they always they have the money, they have
the boosters, they have the you know, millions of dollars
and invested into their their roster. They got college football
royalty in arch Manning. And you know, he is a
little experienced, He's got to play a little bit last year.
But people have wondered why did he sit so long?
And why why is finally now he's the starter when
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someone you know wasn't injured in front of him?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Why is he the starter now?
Speaker 10 (13:41):
But if if all goes to plan, Texas should be
raising that College Football Playoff National Championship trophy if the
rankings are what they are now at the end of
the season.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Could we drive down on that one?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Because I think the obviously the subcategory there, if not
the main category, is arch Manning as a college football casual.
This is how I see it. If college sports or
sports in general, is the ultimate meritocracy, why are we
just seeing him starting in a college football game. And
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if we're just now seeing him starting a college football game,
why is he like the consensus number one draft pick?
If he comes out like that, to me that that's
a lot of hype for someone who has taken so
long to actually get on a college football field as
a starter.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Anyway, Uh, can I take this one oh yeah, Okay,
do you remember when and again I'm not a big
Justin Fields guy, Okay, but do you remember when Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Was at Georgia?
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Vaguely?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, Sam, you remember Justin Fields at Georgia?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
I don't. I don't. I only remember I don't either.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
What I don't really did he play for Georgia at all?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He was the backup?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like Burrow?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, well Burrow Burrows up, Burrows a backup who was
a starter when he was at Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Uh it was.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Anybody, ilo, I mean, I want you to think back
for a second. Okay, So what happened with Joe Burrow
was J T. Barrett was there?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh yeah, and you're like j T.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Barrett now j T Barrett in college Joe Burrows last
year had thirty five touchdowns, nine interceptions. Great college quarterback.
And it's a lot like the presidency. It's really hard
to beat out an incumbent.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It just is, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And so what happens is like you sit there and
you're like, well, he's replacing a guy who wasn't a
good pro quarterback. Okay, but that has nothing to do
with whether or not they're a good college quarterback literally
zero literally zero. So again, go back, same period of time,
go back and use Georgia as your guide, because Georgia's
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quarterback at the time is a guy who I don't
think he's stuck on a college roster's Jake From. Okay,
Jake From also thirty touchdowns, six interceptions, and Jake From
is a you know, he's the consummate college quarterback you
know there four years could basically be governor just not
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a pro. So Justin Field's transferred and played, Joe Burrow
transferred and played. In this case, arch Manning didn't transfer.
He sat waited his turn behind a guy who's a
really good, highly recruited college quarterback, and now he'll get
his time. But the biggest thing is it's hard to
beat out an incumbent. And there's been plenty of these
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where the star quarterback was waiting in the wings. You're like,
if he's so good, why is he sitting? It's the
other guy looks better in practice. The other guy does,
knows the system, seeing everything, and so you're sitting there
as a coach going like, I could play the young
guy who's got more talent, But I'd probably lose a
game or two just because he does know what he's doing,
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whereas this other guy, this Jake prom guy, or this JT.
Perritt guy, they do everything I asked him to do
and nothing more, nothing less, And that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So anyway, I hope that answers your question. Jase too,
that's my opinion.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
That makes sense. I wanted to talk about coach Prime
as my most intriguing story.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
When the new surface recently that he had been dealing
with cancer, I remember in the speculation leading up to
that news that he was definitely going to take advantage
of this situation, just step down to do something else.
The timing with his sons moving on to the NFL
and all the it just made sense because all of
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us that have grown up with a youth sports dad coach,
as soon as the sun is out of the picture,
you lose the attention of the dad. I thought Coach
Prime was kind of in that ilk. So I'm gonna
see how it goes for him this season, how the
team does. If the report's out of Colorado, or that
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his focus on the detail is a little off, maybe
he's a little distracted and I want to see how
things play out like that. I what do you guys think?
Do you think coach Prime will be a fully attentive
to his team this year?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I have.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
No idea. I'm with you. I think it's fascinating. What
do you guys think? No idea, no idea.
Speaker 10 (18:50):
I mean that you know, should her we can get
all the get into all the reasons why he slipped
to the fifth round. But I mean, as far as
I know, Dion is he's recruiting great players of Colorado
and he's got great staff members.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
So what they topped out at nine to four last year?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
The who's the great staff?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Mevers that he is, uh, well he's got was it
Warren stuff?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He does have Warren Stapp. Again, I don't know if
Warren step is a great step. I don't know if
he's a bad one or a good but whatever. I
just know he's a huge name. But he's always been
Pat Trivers good.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
When I see NFL guys at Marshall.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Faulton assistant coach running backs.
Speaker 10 (19:29):
Yeah, so yeah, they got NFL stars. Usually I think
those guys know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
They do.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
But and again a lot of this is I don't know,
I don't know their level of grind. College coaching is
a grinder's job. Coaching football is a grinder's job.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
And here's another dimension to it.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that Colorado winds up having a
terrific first couple of months of the season and the
Cleveland Browns do not. Now, last year, it wasn't to
this extent, but it was, oh, would the Cowboys hire
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Dion Sanders as their head coach? Well, now you know,
they hire Schotteneimer out of the blue, and that wasn't
exactly a marquee higher. But I just wonder, knowing sports
media and especially social media as I do, if the
Browns have a rough couple of months and Colorado has
a great couple of months, I just wonder. That's all
(20:28):
I'm saying, because I know social media and I know.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You know what's interesting about that is most franchises, oh
we go, no way, But the Browns yep, and the
Cowboys those are the two. But I just don't think
he's healthy enough to do it anyways.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, okay, my.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Most intriguing team is Alabama. Is Alabama. I mean, it's
a job that you have to take, but you really shouldn't.
Is placing allegend, you know, is replacing a legends and
Nick Saban is an absolute legend, absolute legend.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
So well, I want to start there.
Speaker 11 (21:14):
Though when you say it's a job, you absolutely have
to take the line of thinking is you don't want
to be the guy that follows the guy you want
to be right right, But again as a coach in
your opinion, from your perspective, more as a coach than
as a host.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I just like, are you really going to turn down Alabama?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like? So Bill Self? And I think Bill Self, with
his health, who knows this maybe his last year?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
We have two more years.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It looks like Josh Faughn is the heir apparent to
get it right, played their coach in the played in
the NBA, coach in the NBA. That that seems to fit, okay,
But you know, if Kansas comes open, you're trying to
place Bill Self, the most successful coach over the last
twenty years in college basketball, the most successful, So do
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you want to replace him? Like Woo guy won how
many straight Big twelve titles like fifteen or something, thirteen
or something, crazy consecutive Big twelve titles? Incredible right, won
two national championips, multiple final fours, the whole thing. So
somebody calls me is like, do you want to replay?
Do you want to follow Bill self?
Speaker 8 (22:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Do you want to be head coach of Kansas? Yes,
well you can't do one without the other. Okay, calein
de boor R he's at Washington. They're winning, but you
can't win consistently at Washington. That's generally the thought. Where's
it Alabama? You know, an unbelievable job, and they've been
able to be unbelievably successful and that name is synonymous
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with winning. Granted, most of it tied to Saban. What's
the thinking? I mean, I think there's some ego involved.
I also think there's the you don't get to pick
timing of getting that job. You got to take it
when you get the opportunity. It's so different than me
taking this job like it was it was it perfect
timing for my family?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, you know it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But my calculation was how often am I get to
get an opportunity before I'm fifty years old to take
a shot of being a Division I head coach and
at a place that needs to be built.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Actually, part of the calculation.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So my point is that Kalen de boor it's year two,
most people have very little patience. I thought he did
a heck of a job last year. It for year
ones are hard. I frankly thought they should have been
the College Wall Playoff. Obviously, the one loss went to
Oklahoma late in the year probably undid them.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
And then they lost their bowl game. They lost their
bowl game to Mission.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
There was the first time they won under ten games,
maybe even under eleven games in a long time, a
long time. I think it, Yeah, saved it first year.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So and like, let's also be honest, Okay, the days
of teams going undefeated are close to over with the
SEC right, Like it's just it doesn't feel like that
will be something that happens. So this is what I've
said this on Oklahoma radio stations. Like a good year
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for Oklahoma with that schedule might be eight wins. And
yet for Oklahoma, there's never a good year that has
eight wins. So you have to adjust to that, you
have to adjust to not having save it. I think
Alabama is my program that I'm most intrigued by this year.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Well, they have probably the best offensive alignement in all
of college football, Caden Proctor protecting their uh what program?
Man's Simpson drawing a blank on his first name, Bart, Yeah,
I was thinking Bart Simpson. But yeah, so they have
They certainly had the guys.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
But the SEC what you're Samon Grindach.
Speaker 10 (24:50):
Well, I opened up with Texas, but I also want
to run back real quick though. I am interested in
seeing how Michigan does under Shroon Moore and Bryce Underwood
taking over. He was just named QB one a few
days ago, so they're an interesting thing. Everyone's talking about
Penn State and Ohio State. Michigan though lurking in the
what I think fourteenth fourteenth? Yeah, and they have Bryce
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Underwood who came in as a highly tied of prospect,
so it should be interesting. Big ten SEC are going
to be really interesting and uh you know yeah, Isaac,
what do.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
You got there?
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Well, first of all, I'd like to publicly.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Cla something UCLA actually not this song USC.
Speaker 11 (25:30):
I would at this time, first of all, like to
publicly thank Fox Sports Radios Doug Gottlieb for taking my
selection of Alabama, which was I was totally gonna go with.
But that being said, I'm going to perhaps not surprisingly
go with North Carolina because as much publicity as there
(25:52):
has kind of been on a different wavelength, it seems
like no one really knows what to expect from them
this year. Whether they're going to be all of a
sudden world beaters from the very start, or an elite
team from the very start because of you know, Belichick
and his program coming in, or whether it be something
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like a case of on the job retirement the way
that it goes for them during the regular season. So personally,
I really don't know what we're going to get from
North Carolina in twenty twenty five. I suppose it could
be some sort of disaster, or it could be really
really really.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Good right out of the box.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
I would personally think it would be much closer to
trending better than worse. But I think we're gonna find
out right away, obviously on on Monday against TCU, which
I think is gonna be a great spectacle. But it
just I don't think there's a ton of height for
the actual football yet. I think it's gonna hit probably
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on Monday, but I don't, I don't know. I just
I think it's a huge un known about which direction
this this thing is gonna go this year.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Eight and four. All right, I'll get the job done.
Eight four all right.
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Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's Doug gotlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I got a
thought for you, guys. So the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson
came to an agreement, right, And basically the agreement is like, Hey,
we're not gonna extend you, but we'll give you some
more money this year. Right, We're not gonna extend you,
but we'll give you some more money this year. Now,
(27:57):
what does X signify? I remember they put him, you know,
they shopped him a little bit, and there was no
trade made.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, it's possible the Bengals asked for too much, but
it's also possible that other teams they didn't want to
trade for a guy who then they'd have to give
a contract that they don't want to have to good
to give a contract to. And they feel like, let's
watch him play this year and then we'll figure it out,
figure out what we want to pay him, what we
don't want to pay him. So tell me if this
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makes sense to you. Okay, tell me this makes sense
to you. Now, remember Trey Hendrickson's deal is I don't
think it's perfect by any means. Right, They gave him
a big pay bump for just a year. He's gonna
get fourteen million more this year. The revised deal also
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includes one million dollars in incentives if he plays sixty
percent of the plays and the Bengals make the playoffs.
So he's gonna make thirty million dollars this year. That's
pretty good, But they didn't want to extend him into
extra years, or at least at the rate that he wanted,
so he could be a free agent at the end
of the year. They had discussed a two year, seventy
(29:07):
nine million dollar extension, and the overall deal could have
equaled ninety five million dollars over three years while accounting
for his original sixteen million dollars this year. But there
are no guarantees beyond this year. So the agent us going, hey,
you don't want to agree to it, but beyond that,
(29:30):
let's just give us a raise and we'll be out
the door if we do well. I think it's a
deal where no one's happy. No one's really happy. Trey
Hendrickson not really happy. Is he with the Bengals yet?
Does he get paid yet? But does he have security
beyond this year? No, that's just like the deal that
he could have signed. And for the Bengals, they were
(29:54):
held hostage and end up having to double the price
of their leading pass rusher. And if he plays well,
they'll probably lose him. If he plays poorly, they probably
don't want to keep him. So what really changed when
they had him under contract and they didn't have to
do anything? But you know there's something about I know
(30:15):
this from broadcasting. People always say when when both sides
think you're a homer for the other side, you're right
down the middle of a broadcaster. And when both sides
are a little bit unhappy with a deal, you've probably
nailed it with this contract. It's the dug Outleab Show,
It's Fox Sports Radio. Earlier today, I got a chance
(30:38):
to catch up with Ken Griffy Senior and Ken Griffy
Junior on behalf of depend and their stands Strong for
Men's Health campaign raising awareness for prostate cancer screening. Guys, listen,
it's obviously an honor to speak with you both. I
have to point out that I'm right in the wheelhouse
of fandom for the Griffies, right, like Junior was the
(31:03):
biggest thing on Earth, Ken Senior, what was that like
for you to experience, right, not just having him play
with play with you at the same time, but for
your son to rise to where he was literally the
biggest sports star on Earth.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Well, that was to me, it was amazing.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
I didn't think, you know, it would it would turn
out to be like that, But just watching him play
when I first went over to Seattle, he told me
I'm playing left field and he's playing center. He and
he draws a square box three square feet. He said,
you stand in that boxing and I got the rest
(31:41):
and I said, right, you know, so I dpt believing
him until I ended up playing with him. How good
he was in terms of how much ground tell kind
of army had the.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Power, which was really amazing to me.
Speaker 12 (31:54):
I didn't know yet that much power because a lot
of time, you know, I mean you I threw bat
and practice to from twelve years old to just about
his eighteenth birthday. But and he didn't get it hit
in front of me in any games, you know, for
six years. So I just told Bobby Cox. But I
was with the Braids at the time. I said, Bobby
was there they right before they drafted him, and he said,
(32:19):
he said, well, go ahead and see your son. And
I said, well, he can't hit, you know. So he
ended up that night. You know, first two at bats
he strikes out. I got to go down to Cincinnati
and play the rest because I went to Braids at
the time we got killed. I come back home and
I asked him, how do you do? He said, I
did find I said, how did you do? He said
(32:39):
three for five two on run five r vat And
like I said, he didn't get it hit in front
of me. Tell his right before his eighteenth birthday. So
from twelve to eighteen, I had to watch the drop
and he did not make contact those six years. So
but to watch him play when I got his can't
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play with him, it was amazing. I enjoyed every minute
of watching play because I didn't think he covered that
much ground, but he showed me he can do it.
And then his arm was outstanding because I told him
one time he threw Roberto it was a Kelly out
at home plate from centerfield wall. Yeah, and I asked
him why did he get the cut off man? He
(33:21):
said it was easier to just throw it all the way,
you know, So yeah, he did get that out.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
But I did talk about him about to cut off man.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Can't Can you know? What what was the experience like
for you? And again I'll just tell you, like I
was in southern California like a middle school kid, and
part of it was that was in the sports center era.
But you were the first like baseball player. Maybe Bo
Jackson a little bit before you, but we first baseball
player that we could just sit and watch highlights of
(33:50):
you all day. Like it was mussy from your perspective,
What was it like?
Speaker 8 (33:56):
No, I mean getting.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
Drafted a sevent team, making too bigas nineteen, having guys
around me who had my back, I mean, you know,
Harold Reynold's day by like Mickey Brantley, Darnelle Coles, Jeffrey Leonard,
I mean all these guys were like big brothers and
all the guys who played with my dad's.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Against my dad.
Speaker 13 (34:20):
Every city I went into, they made sure that, you know, hey,
this is the areas you stay away from. This is
I'm going to come get you. We're having lunch. I mean,
I couldn't ask for a better group of you know,
big brothers and uncles and things like that. I mean,
I've come into a horseshoe basically. I mean the guys
(34:44):
that you know took care of me, made sure I
was all right day in and day out, you know.
Speaker 12 (34:50):
And the one thing is true, I couldn't hit in
front of them because I wanted to. I wanted to
impress my dad. And he would sit there and he'd
just go, I don't just pretend i'm your mom, because
my mom show up and I go off.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
He show up.
Speaker 14 (35:07):
I came hit, and finally I got my first hit
and instruction with it, and he literally opens the window
of the r V and said, now was that so
bad and closes it and drives off.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
And from that point on, I was fine.
Speaker 13 (35:20):
But I just wanted to impress my dad like any
other because most people don't understand that, you know, he's
gone because he's still playing. And Saturdays and Sundays, you know,
most dads are watching their kids play, you know, they're home.
And I didn't get that opportunity. So when I did,
I tried to kill the ball and it backfired. And
(35:43):
that's when I learned that if I just go out
there and play the game the way it's supposed to be,
I'm going to be fine. But it took me until
I was drafted. And even when I got drafted, Mom
he came to visit me and Medford word of you. Yeah,
and I wrote four bats in one played appearance and
(36:04):
it was a ground ball back to the picture and
I and I can't hit that day, So I don't
get one of that.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
He's his son. You don't have to learn or learn
how to use wood.
Speaker 13 (36:15):
Bats, and you know I I from that point on,
I think the most bats ever broken one year was
maybe three.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You guys remember, I'm sure you remember that hat on
backwards controversy where you go into BP and people would say, hey,
you're disrespecting the game and Ken Senior for you for
a for a guy who you raised the best player
in baseball. Again, same thing, like you can't defend your
(36:45):
son on doing the right thing all the time. But
this was like a kind of a nontroversy. Controversy, how
did that affect you?
Speaker 12 (36:52):
They didn't know the story. The story was when he
was a little he was always come and his wife.
He told him to the kids up front, he said,
if they went games, you auysked him come in the
locker room.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
That was their biggest thing, was coming in the locker room.
Speaker 12 (37:06):
Pete Rose, people, Peter Rows, Junior, him, my son, Craig,
the barrier's kids.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:13):
That was their biggest thing, is getting the opportunity to
come into the locker room after a game, because if
we lost, they were coming in.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
So they enjoyed that. So the situation was Junior and
the kids would come in. They would go down to
the to the cages to play.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
You know, eacheuble grabbed their dad's glove or their hat,
and every day so Junior grab my hat and he's
running down there, and all of a sudden he's putting
the hat on like he's supposed to, you know, with
the bill out in front. Every time he went to
throw the vaull was go down over his eyes. He
couldn't see, but he finally just turned it around so
he can see. And that was for him just to
(37:49):
catch and throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:51):
It was no disrespect of baseball or anything of that nature.
And people took it that way because they didn't understand
what happened, what he had went through when.
Speaker 8 (37:59):
He was a young kid. I know, my hat was
my hat was bigger.
Speaker 15 (38:03):
Than his from he said, you know, and that's that's
what happened. But everything everyone turned off.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You guys, realize though now you would walk out now
if you went to a plate appearance, everyone would turn
their hand, everyone would turn around.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
That that was the reason.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
That was the reason why he had his hat turned back.
What if he was disrespecting him, just so you can
see and catch the.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Ball, that's all if.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Obviously you can hear from my voice, it's like revered
terms and talking about you can if you could tell
the if you wanted the younger generation to know one
thing about you and your.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
Career, what would it be the one thing? Yeah, you
only got one shot of the career.
Speaker 13 (38:57):
Take pride in it day in and day out.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
You know.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
People take things for granted, like they're going to be
here tomorrow. They're going to do this tomorrow, They're going
to do that now. It's you know, you get one
shot at the thing that you want to do, probably
for the rest of your life.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
Take pride in it.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Early detection it's so incredibly important for all men, especially
African American men. It's why I'm honored to have you
guys join us, Ken if you could. Why is it
important to you that people understand about early detection for
prostate cancer.
Speaker 12 (39:35):
Well, that was the most important thing for me, was
the early detection. Going back to the history of my family.
I had four uncles that I lost through by state cancer,
and knowing that a lot of them they never went
to the doctor, they never talked about anything, and so
if they would have talked about it at that time,
(39:56):
I would probably got to know them more or act
then home period because they died early and I never
got a chance to meet them even talk to them.
But to me, being diagnosed early or screened early, well
it's a chance that you'll be you'll be your survival rate,
(40:19):
you know, so being you know, to me was the
most important thing was diagnosed early.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
I mean I had to go through so many changes
with the.
Speaker 12 (40:33):
Doing all the whole Actually, the whole process was kind
of tough on me because, like I said, I already
knew about it. But at the same time, you know,
if my mother had talked about it and I was
able to go through the whole process.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, it's it's Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Depend of course
has put a million dollars a million dollars in Prostate
Cancer Foundation. And obviously you guys teaming up with with
Emmett Smith as as part of this Camp Pain guys,
I cannot thank you enough for your time. And obviously
(41:06):
you guys are the original father and son duo, and
I think your words and your belief and you're telling
people to open up a conversation, right, because that's that's
the hard part about it, right, Junior, is like just
having a conversation about it, which seems maybe embarrassing to some,
but it's way more embarrassing if you you wouldn't try
(41:26):
and get early detection survive.
Speaker 13 (41:28):
The actual conversation started, you know with us, you know,
a week after he got diagnosed, he was able to
sit down and tell me what was going on, tell
me about you know, the upcoming procedures, our family history,
and it enabled me to be able to talk to
my two boys, you know, and let them know, hey,
(41:52):
you know, this is what's going on.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
This is you know. And I think that's the key,
is to be able to have the conversation. You know,
one and eight men are diagnosed, you know.
Speaker 13 (42:05):
And being able to to have a survival rate that
increases as the earlier detech is important. You know, knowing
your family history, even if you don't know your family history,
go get checked, you know, being able to.
Speaker 8 (42:19):
To do certain things to make sure that you're there.
Speaker 13 (42:23):
I mean, there are a lot of things that he's
got to be able to teach my kids, because my
kids don't listen to me, just like I didn't listen
to him.
Speaker 8 (42:29):
It's always that skip a generation, you know.
Speaker 13 (42:32):
I tell people we have a he has a common
ally with my kids.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
They gang up on me, you know.
Speaker 13 (42:38):
Uh, so you know he has to be around for
them and you know and for me when you know grandkids.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
You know, I just had my first Yeah so oh
you didn't know that. Yeah, I'm no longer existed.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I just I just know that that you guys are
both the black when they say black do and crack,
I'm looking at you guys. Both and saying it's not
fair because Ken literally look the same as when we
played and the same like this is I'm you guys
are stuck in a time warp, but I'm not so
I had no idea, So congratulations.
Speaker 8 (43:13):
But yeah, but this is just about.
Speaker 13 (43:18):
You know, early detection, I mean being able to have conversations.
I mean that is probably the key to a successful
outcome is you know, not be embarrassed. I think you know,
as men were supposed to be tough and you know,
don't do this, don't do that, don't say nothing. And
you know, for him to open up really showed me
(43:40):
that I can open up to my kids. And I
think that's the most one of the most important thing
is to be able to open up the family and
and make sure that it's an easy conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
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Speaker 1 (43:53):
Absolute honor I think should depend for having allowing us
to have you guys on. And this is an incredible campaign.
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so we've all done the Maya copas and we're wrong,
and Kyle Raley's.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Kept it going.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't know if this is getting the attention it deserves, right,
Like to me, there's all kinds of.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Records, you know, I think.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I think a lot of us grew to have a
resistance towards records or towards first of its kind with
the Lebron James era, right because he's been playing so
long and because like Lebron James is the first ever
player blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah,
and like, I get it, he's awesome, but it's not
(45:42):
really it's like we can create it's like created records.
This is not a created record. Cal Ray is a catcher.
Catchers don't perform nearly as well in the second half
seasons the first half season. He also plays in a ballpark,
which is the hardest it, majorly baseball. They hit a
home run in and he's got fitty home runs as
(46:04):
a catcher, which you're not supposed to be able to do.
And it's not like Baseball just started keeping these stats.
Granted they didn't start playing one hundred and sixty two
games until you know, I don't know, forty years ago, okay,
But regardless of how many games they played, no one
who played catcher hit this many home runs. This is
(46:26):
a Again, I'm going to I have no reason to
believe otherwise. So this is a drug free, unbelievable season
from a player who plays a position that traditionally wears
you down, and he end up playing in a place
which is hard to do. What he's doing and yet
he's accomplishing all of it, and he's the first to
(46:49):
do it in a sport which has gone for over
one hundred and thirty years, and they've kept stats of it,
like Jase do Am, I over selling how big this
record is, how biggest number is.
Speaker 7 (47:01):
You're not You're not over selling it at all. And
I was just kind of looking this up as you
were talking to make sure I got this right. He's
played thirty one games at d H this year. To
your point, most catchers haven't been good enough hitters to
be DH through the history of whenever they whenever the
(47:21):
American League said they're going to bastardize the game, and
uh interjected the designated hitter. I want to say the
early seventies, Isaac so but no catcher has deserved to
spend his off days as a designated hitter. This is
kind of a recent thing, he said. Over forty home
runs now as a catcher, being a catcher on the
(47:43):
lineup and hitting forty home runs, that's by far the
big the the most that anyone's ever hit. As someone
who taught myself how to switch hit, and again, the
furthest I ever played was Juco summer tryouts. That was
the furthest I ever got until the world told me
I couldn't play anymore. But I taught myself on a
(48:05):
switch hit so have a I have a unique appreciation
for switch hitters. I love switch hitters and the fact
that he has been able to do something that only
Mickey Mantle has ever done, hit at least fifty home
runs in a season as a switch hitter. I mean,
it's remarkable what he's doing. And if he didn't play
in Seattle, I think he would get more attention. I
(48:26):
think that's his problem. The Mariners are kind of like
a I felt this with each a row. It's just
like they're a team, but they just they kind of
largely get ignored by a national media.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I would say that's completely true, completely true. But I
also think that part of the Mariners thing makes it
more impressive because that ballpark is hard to hit home
runs out of, you know, first of its kind in
Major League Baseball at a position that's really hard.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's crazy
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