December 6, 2025 • 49 mins
On this edition of the Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug welcomes college football analyst Josh Pate onto the show to talk about the college football playoff rankings and the Lane Kiffin situation.
Doug talks about his frustrating loss Thursday night as head coach of the Green Bay Phoenix and addresses the chair throwing incident that was picked up by influencers and news outlets.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:22):
as he has periodically throughout the year. You see him
everywhere on three, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, Course, Calherd heard him
on my show. He's like, I gotta have that guy
on because he's a stud. Josh Pate joins us year
on The Doug Gottlieb Show. You are known for paid
state Penn State still looking for a coach, Like, what
the hell is going on that nobody wants to go
to state college and make ten million dollars a year?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad. I didn't
want him to. I mean I didn't support him Fire
and Franklin to begin with. But whatever, I mean, guys
have lost their jobs before that. I thought you should
get one more year. But man, like I don't have
to know. I can look out the window as an
outsider and see fog. But if you're an athletic director,
you can correct me if I'm wrong. Here you live
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in this world. If you're an athletic director and you're
gonna make the move on a coach that has averaged
basically a playoff caliber season over the past three or
four years, don't you at least have to have a
pretty good working set of knowledge about who you can acquire,
which was void up there. Just we're gonna fire him
and then well we'll let the plane take off, then
(01:23):
we'll figure out how to fix the landing gear mid
flight was basically.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The planet state.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy,
I would agree. Like again, it's it's one of those
you know what. The the you know what it does
is it completely dismantles and disarms the argument of hey,
we gotta fire a guy early in the season so
we get ahead on the hiring cycle. It's actually been
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backfired for them because, you know, because once they fired him, okay,
Nebraska's like, well, we know you're coming after our guy.
We're gonna reup him. Before there's ever a chance, you know,
to get him on. That's really what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm going to tell you the other thing. I think
ls you missed the vote here as well. I think
LSU and Pen State. Now LSU got their coach, so
it's all well and good for them. But we went
through this whole multi week ordeal about if Kiffin takes
the job, will he be able to coach in the playoffs,
And then you got Birge Assbury in the administration at
LSU saying, hey, we would have been fine with him
coaching the playoffs. Well how about this, then, why didn't
(02:23):
you just hang on to Brian Kelly through January? He
could be none the wiser. You could back channel this thing,
keep it ultra quiet. Is it the most ethical move
in the world. No, But I mean, look at the
landscape right now. It's void of any logic, much less ethics.
So I look at Penn State the same way. If
you've got a tight circle and you got folks you
can trust, just back channel the thing. It's purely theatrics
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to pretend like you have to have fired your head
coach publicly before you're allowed to begin a coaching search.
There's no law that says that. There's not even a
bylaw that says that. But you've got real Look, I
want to be respectful because, like I know these guys,
but just some gross incompetence at the wheel right now
at multiple big time programs.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
What's interesting was I talked to a couple ads and
they're like, you know, the guy who should get the
sec job versus John Sumrall, and he's kind of got
drugged through a drug over the coles when I don't know,
it feels like Florida actually made a good hire, but
because they didn't get Kiffin, it seems like a negative.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, here's basically what that equates to. I mean, the
best defense of not lacking some role that I have
heard from Florida fans boils down to will we already
try the G five coach from the state of Louisiana,
you know, which is a ken in the real world,
to saying I want to dated a girl from Charlotte,
North Carolina. It did not work out. I could never
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date another girl from Charlotte, North Carolina. Like the entire
pool of potential bachelorettes there in the greater Charlotte area.
They're permanently poisoned, the wellest poisoned because one example to
work out. Of course, there's no logic, it's void of
any logic. I've said that three times already in the
short period that we've been talking here. But John Somerl's great,
(04:08):
Like if you get down to football, to get down
the real brass tax football type stuff, he's great. He's Look,
if you don't believe me, I don't care. I mean
my opinions. Whatever it is. You said it, though, go
talk to people around the league. Go talk to people
just around the South in general. Talk to NFL scouts.
They universally knew it was a matter of when, not
if he got one of those big time jobs. I
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will tell you this, Doug. He wanted that Auburn job
bad and Auburn fumbled it fantastically, and I was ready
to just rip Auburn, but I kept my mouth shut
because sometimes athletic and administration's trip backwards across the finish
line and end up landing softly. And they did. They
got Alex Golish, and he's a really good coach too.
But John wanted that Auburn job Florida. For all the
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people bemoaning this higher down there may in three years
be looking at his saying that could have been the
most fortuitous turn of events. That seventy two or nine
is hour period that we ever could have voted for.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Josh Payton joining us synonymous with college college football. It's
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Josh Paid,
of course has the Josh Paid College Football Show, which
you should watch, listen to download at your leisure, or
check them out on YouTube as well. We were just
having a discussion about the year that has been college football,
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and my point was, I can pick apart all the games,
you know, like Dan Byer and I we watched all
these games. Sam's a Iowa guy, so he watches all
the Iowa games, and we go, this was a great game.
That was a great game, you know, and maybe Ohio
State Indiana is an epic one. Has it changed for
you as somebody who grew up around this and now
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talks about it for a living. The energy towards a game,
because who wins and who loses doesn't have as great
an effect on the outcome of the national championship because
the biggest games, for the most part, both those teams
are going anyway, right, Yeah, Like so, I guess that's
(06:08):
the question is of the games this year, are any
of them in the regular season going to be memorable
or they really diminished by the playoff.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's a really it's a good question, and it's a
weird answer. So my answer is for some of the
regular season games, my biggest spear was the expanded playoff
would delude the value of those regular season games, and
maybe it did a little bit, but in a percentage form,
I would say like five percent. I went to all
the biggest games in the country. I get to pick
wherever I go every week, Like a lot of those
things were still really really big game environments. I will
(06:40):
say this though. It just dawned on me yesterday. Number
one and versus Number two are playing Saturday, and I
think back to some of like the Game of the
Century type matchups or a Game of the Millennium type
matchups we've had where one v. Two happens in the
regular season, and I think you're right, those did feel
infinitely bigger, even as regular season games than the Big
ten championship game does. And it's because we built a great,
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big safety net under it, and that was always going
to be the price you paid for expanding the playoffs.
It's also why it just aggravates me to no end
that we're sitting here at twelve. I still think we
have a fine enough balance and we've got a complete
mess of the college football calendar, and yet the powers
that be's main focus is how do we expand the playoff?
You know, you got a huge mess over here, and
you got something that's working okay over there, and all
(07:24):
their attention is over there instead of over here.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, so help me out. How do you So this
is a real discussion, Josh Page joining us here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. So again, I don't have all
the answers, but I am a college coach, and I
can tell you that at least college basketball did make
one adjustment to the portal calendar. Last year. The portal
was opened during the NCAA tournament, right and then it
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closed up in the Final four, then opened this year.
I believe it's not open until after the NCAA tournament.
So that's a positive adjustment. Football is different, okay, and
let me explain, Josh I know you know this, this
is not for you, but so people understand that the
early signing period starts today, right, and high school players
can enroll early. Okay, enroll early as well as for transfers.
(08:12):
Like the idea is, you've got to have somebody in
place for the portal for high school recruiting, and so
you have a team in place at the start of
second semester so that you're can have spring football. So
do you have some of these practices before you get
the summer where you don't have enough time in the
summer to make up for it? Okay, how do you,
Josh Pate, adjust the calendar so that we don't have
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not only coaches changing jobs when their team is still
playing playing games. Yep?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, So you've got two options here. You really
have no control over the first one from the athletic side,
and that is the academic calendar. You could have an
alternate universe where, you know, people kind of acknowledge the reality,
and that is that the quote unquote student athlete exists
on campus because of a completely different reason than the
math major. Therefore, you create a separate student athlete academic calendar.
(09:03):
As you know, that's very unrealistic. If you could do that,
you can solve a lot of problems. So if we
assume we live in a world where that's not possible,
then college football has got to adjust its calendar. And
I think what you probably have to do, and I
would hate it because it's one thousand degrees in the
South in late August, but you probably have to move
the start of your season up a week to where
you're that third week in August kicking off to where
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you can end your season third week of November, where
your conference championship games are taking place December or Thanksgiving
weekend rather, and then you just four week your playoffs
and have your national championship on New Year's Day, and
then you go National Signing Day shortly thereafter and portal
windows shortly after that. That's the only option I make.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I would say there's one other option, and I think
Saban sort of said it, which is I think what
you gotta do is you got to cut the spring
and fire up the summer. I think that's what you
gotta do.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, and for people don't understand, again, you can't
for basketball, we can do eight hours, but it has
to be four and four. So we get four hours
a week in the summer for basketball and it helps,
but again it's still very very difficult. You don't have
time to have real practice. Like look, reality is, all
of these programs that we're top are four programs. I
(10:22):
would guess by now they all have indoors, so weather
it's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot
and you don't have an indoor, one you better build
one and you're not getting coaches or players, and two
you can do it in the morning. But again the
counter to it is because because the argument is, hey,
we need those practices, we need to get our young
guys up and going we build a new team. I
(10:43):
think the only way to do it is, you know,
maybe you maybe you cut off early enrollees and then
you have summer practice, or you have a certain number
of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,
even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,
they can. But that you can either bank the practices
(11:05):
for the summer that we're supposed to be in the
spring something like that. I think that works.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
A lot of ads that I've talked to, and a
lot of coaches that I've talked to strongly prefer that
you can always tell the guys who have coached pro ball,
So the second that's mentioned, they just say, yeah, that's
just a fancy way of saying OTAs, and yes, I'm
all for it, and yes it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look,
that stuff just makes my head spin because I'm a
visual guy, so it's hard for me to mentally see
the calendar, much less all the dates on the calendar.
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But when guys whose opinions I trust all start to
align behind something, I usually shut up and listen to it.
And that's one that's been floated around a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load
you up with some AMO and you can pick it
apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it
when I talk about it on my Showkay, you ready
for it? Go. Lots of people are saying, hey, I
don't want to punish For example, all this is players
for Lane Kiffen's departure. I don't think you punish them. Okay,
(12:00):
I think we're looking at this all wrong. I don't
think Florida State was punished I think Florida State was
appropriately evaluated as being inferior to their where they were
in the regular season two years ago when the quarterback
went down. I think that's the oldest thing. If you
move them down seed wise or whatever you do with them,
you're not punishing them. You're trying to figure out who
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the best teams are. And I don't think anybody would
argue they're not as good without Lane Kiffin as they
were with Lane Kiffin, much the way you'd say with
the quarterback. You are you okay with pushing back on
the punished word.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's
all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things
that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we
saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,
so if you wanted to go that route, like our
eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on
the field.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Now agree.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
My whole thing during that period was that committee did
not say best teams. They said most deserving teams. And
then at the eleventh hour, I vividly remember it, Doug
Bill Hancock goes on some interview like it wasn't even
an official platform or anything. And he just casually said,
you know, the term most deserving is not in our lexicon.
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It's best. Well, once you say that, I don't really
even care if I think you're punishing them or not.
Like we can argue over semantics if we're trying to
put the best teams in there, who are essentially power
rating teams at that point, and no Florida State would
have no business there. But even applying that, how does
one apply that to Ole Miss right now? Because there's
season's over, we will have never even seen them without
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Lang Kiffin or without some of his staff. And I
really don't know how you even quantify the impact.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Agreed, Does Alabama get in if they lose?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame
has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a
couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally
admitted it in their rankings last night.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
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the Josh Paiate College Football Show. You, sir, are the best.
Enjoy this is I know, your personal Christmas. Thanks for
bringing our guests.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
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Speaker 3 (14:10):
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(14:50):
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I watched
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the middle of the night, and I did get the
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And that's where we begin. This is the Doug gottlib Show.
We got a lot to get to. We get to
the next. Last night's Lions win, Cowboys loss, a huge
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weekend in college football. All right, you guys want to
start there? Is that what we should do or or
I guess we talk about the fact that what's being
called a chair throwing was the lead story for ESPN
dot com for a minute and then ESPN's college basketball page.
(15:34):
And look, I started with the premise or the question
I posed to the guys, which is they got it
had to be a slow news day, right, slow news day.
But I was kind of talked into and I actually
believe that that's not what it's about. For the record,
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my basketball team had a oh was it eleven point
lead with two thirty eight to go at home in
the conference opener against defending conference champion and conference tournament
champion Robert Morris. Uh, and we lost. We lost. We
were up seven with a minute and thirty to go, lost,
(16:16):
and you know, we missed a couple free throws, but
twenty five and thirty one. We turned the ball over,
but only one bad turnover. And it was one of
those series of things that all of a sudden go wrong,
right from uh, from two bad possessions to one bad
turnover on a miscommunication and then giving up three pointers
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one and one, and next thing you know, you turn around,
you leave their best shooter and then they beat us
on a play that we had struggled to guard and
switched to cover John And I mean it stings worse
than you can imagine. But in case you're wondering, the
story of the day is that I threw a chair. Now,
(17:00):
I'd like to say that I played for John McCloud,
Notre Dame. He was a big chair tucker in her guy,
Notre Dame. We tuck in those chairs, Notre Dame. We
can't be immature, So you know, I was just trying
to put away the chair. I was just putting away
the chair that was left sort of in the door
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that leads upstairs to our locker room at the Cress
Events Center. But obviously it's frustration that you have to
hold in. You can't tell your players to keep their cool.
When granted it was after the game, granted it was
off the court and it was tucked in a kind
of vomitorium area. Still it's within sight of a camera
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to where they get you doing it, and it becomes
bigger than the actual story, which is, hey, we got
a pretty good team, we've been playing really good basketball,
and we we frankly choked. Frankly choked. It's really what happened,
and everybody owns it, myself included, and got to be better.
Dan Byer, go ahead, you have. You look like you
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have a question, right.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
No, No, I just I thought that it was interesting,
and honestly, Doug, because of the tip off time, it
takes me about an hour or so to get home,
so I didn't see what was going on. But I
was checking in on the game and saw that you
guys were up, was following it along on the box score,
and then put it away when I thought the game
was in hand, and then I came back and saw
(18:26):
that there were four seconds left and it was eighty
to seventy eight, and so I was shocked in just
how it happened, and then I felt bad for you,
and then about an hour later than everything ended up
going crazy on social media.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah. So, Jase, do you think it's just that because
it's me, that's the reason that people seem to care.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, We've talked about this before, right. One of your
gifts is that you have the ability to really piss
off people. And we learned last season that you have
ticked off a lot of people for whatever reason, and
they're just waiting for you to do something bad. And
I think last and obviously that includes somebody on the
(19:12):
editorial staff at ESPN, we remember last December when they
completely misrepresented a farcical post about you, and they ran
with it as it was news. I think it's the
same editor who made this a the front story on
ESPN dot com and now it's still up as a
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college basketball I just think that there's something about you
and your name that gets clicks where people like to,
I don't know, hate read stories about you. I don't
know what the proper term is, but I don't think
it had anything to do with it being a slow
college basketball night. I just think people have eyes on you,
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for better or worse, and when you do anything that
could be constructed as negative, they're gonna they're gonna put
more focus on it than they would any other coach.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But probably pretty accurate, probably very accurate. And it's okay.
You know, it's like the that is our what is it?
Our fifth consecutive close game? Right Minnesota overtime Yale was
two to twenty nine seconds ago. Then we won two
close ones UMass and Iona, and then we well, I
have Haskell was a blowout. It's a non D one,
(20:28):
but then this one in our D one games like
they've all been been close, and we gotta be better.
We gotta be better. But yeah, I guess that's what
it is. I'm sure there's someone there that has an
excuse the expression, a hard on for me, but I
you know, what I believe is like, whoever is there
now wasn't there when I was there, because I was
(20:51):
offered a five year contract when I left, and you know,
they get really protective of their guys. I guess, And
maybe it's an Adam sheep, but I do think that
it's classic clickbait because even the idea that I threw
a chair, well, all right, well when was the stool?
And secondly, wasn't during the game. There's nobody year round.
(21:15):
I don't know it was.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It was not Bobby Knight like people tried to make
it seem like that, like what it was hidden behind
the bleacher, which I am I'll speak for you, but
I'm almost one hundred percent sure, one hundred percent sure
that you had no idea that you were even on camera.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Cool. No, I mean again, you shouldn't do anything, You
shouldn't react anyway, right, But again it's like the let's
not act like I was throwing a fit, even on
the sideline, like I shook hands with Andy toole. His
team made shots we did not. They got play made
plays we did not. They stole one. Great. You know,
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I'm sure next time round they'll be way better. Hopefully
will be better. But shook hands and was walking off
and was just so furious, and some of it, if
we're if I'm just being honest, it's not all It's
not like directed at the players. It's the I want
to win. I want to win. I want to prepare
my team to win. I want to put them in
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and I don't think I did the best job. It's
not just them, it's us. You know. We have end
of game sets and end of game plays, and we
had a little bit of wonky lineup, so I tried
to I tried to run something that we had we've
been working on or whatever, like eyeah. But you know,
I take that on myself. You know, late in the game,
Dan Byer, we were up two points. They had the ball,
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and I considered fouling their leading scorer, who's only a
forty percent free throw shooter. I didn't they drive in,
we have somebody help who's not supposed to help. They
kick it out, hit a three. We're down one, and
I'm I'm just so mad at myself because have we fouled.
The book tells you to foul that guy. That the
likelihood of a forty percent free throw shooter making two
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consecutive shots in a one on one is slim to none.
And he's one of their best rebounders, so we would
have a great shot at rebounding the free throws on
like onlike previous years or whatever. But you do bring
losing into play. But I'm mad at myself for timeouts, substitutions,
adjustments or whatever. But again you have to keep that in.
(23:18):
But again they like, really, this is this is what
we've come to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I was more surprised that you swore in your postgame
presser than actually throwing a chair.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well what and and what's interesting about that one? And
again I'm not blaming I think the Fox guy put
it out there was we were kind of done, and
then I I kind of looked at the statuet and
then I just kind of it was a ramble on
sentence right before I left, and I was like, ah,
then they clip me.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I actually thought that you guys started an in the
bonus press conference where you don't care about your language.
That it's after the press conference. Yes, that's what I
think was.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Here's the end the bonus press conference. Go ahead, unbelievably frustrating,
Like unbelievably frustrating. You do everything, you prepare them, you
get them right there, they have the game and they
just they gotta they gotta, they gotta bring it home.
And we just didn't know. You know, we get to
line thirty one timeshich is great. We shot twenty five
at thirty one, which is which is excellent. But we
got to make the wins account. So, I mean, we
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had a good basketball team, but can I we just
gave that the way I mean, Sorry, that's how I
That's how I speak in real life, you know. I mean,
I don't know. Oh, I'm gonna tell you this, Okay,
So here's the the question that I know the answer to.
(24:41):
But I'm wondering if you guys are gonna ask, is
balance the wins versus the losses? Like which is a
stronger feeling? And I'm just telling you like the wins.
It it's it's cliche, but it's cliche because it's true.
The wins are a relief, there's just a relief. The
losses are the worst because you want to go. It's
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you want to go, like, no, I knew the answer.
It's like a test you'd study for and then all
of a sudden at the end you screw up the
last couple questions. They're like, oh, I know that answer.
Can I take the test again? They're like, no, we don't.
There's no makeup work here. It's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You're also Doug talking to two guys right now, and
Jason and myself who will have their days ruined by
an elimination or a loss in fantasy football. And by
the way, there are thousands, if not millions of people
like Jason and myself who will feel that way about
their picks or their teams, where it will ruin their
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night or will ruin their day where they maybe maybe
not throw a chair, but want to throw a chair.
So that's the part that I find kind of ridiculous
of all of this is everybody hates the freaking lose,
and when you're doing it on that scale, on that platform,
in what was a winnable game, Yeah, like it's it's understandable,
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delicious than what I think.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Actually was no question, no question, But you know, here,
here's one again, you learn something every day. We were
up to with thirty five seconds to go, or actually
thirty nine seconds to go, we throw the ball in bounds,
which we weren't supposed to. We're supposed to bleed clock, okay,
but we don't. So we throw the ball in bounds,
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and my point guard, who played great but he was cramping,
falls down on a cramp and luckily dribble the ball
off somebody else's foot and they just pick it up
out of bounds. Otherwise it would have been tie game
right there. Anyway, the official comes over and then we
have to take him off the court, and the official
(26:54):
says it's an injury timeout. Okay, so injury time out. Well,
I hear time out, and I think that the rule
is on a timeout, the ten second violation resets, but
it was an injury timeout, so it didn't reset. So
(27:15):
when we throw the ball in, there's twenty six seconds
on the shot clock. We got a ten second violation
at twenty seconds, but it was only six seconds to
get across mid court. And again I'm upset because that's
on me. I'm the head coach. You know, my bench
we didn't know, but I asked the official I said,
is that a timeout? He said it's yes, it is.
(27:36):
He said it's an injury timeout. And I just be
honest with you, I didn't know the distinction between the two.
I heard time out. I thought it meant it reset,
and it didn't. So again, I'm not just frustrated other people.
I'm pressiraly myself too. And these are things that you
only learned once, you know, I hope. But it did.
(27:57):
Giving up fourteen offensive rebounds felt like last year. Even
the personnel is different. But again, I didn't play some
of our new personnel because I just didn't think they
were as engaged or as connected as we want them
to be. Like, I'm trying to do it the right way,
and I felt like I was, for the most part,
rewarded by it. And then the gods of basketball and
our team collectively again coaching staff included. We joked game
(28:21):
we could have should have won, we did not. You
have the ball. I'm even up seven with a minute
and ten to go, like usually win the game, especially
when we're a good free throw shooting team, and free
throws though we missed a couple, you know, we were
down one. We drove in there with like seven eight seconds,
so whatever we missed it or twelve fourteen second excuse me,
(28:42):
we very just now and who had twenty missed one
of street throws even missed it badly missed it out.
But again that's how you lose games. So oh anyway,
the answer your question is, and you know this from
fantasy football, winning versus losing is a relief losing his
misery and it lasts way way longer.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, and it sounds so it sounds so trivial, but
it's just just like fantasy football is compared to to
what this is, to what you're doing. But I just
feel like we all have this, those same emotions where
we would throw a chair if it wasn't hours and
we had to go buy a new one. Truly, we
(29:25):
checked on the chair.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Gotten treatment today, a little little bruising, but it's good.
It's it's fine that the chair. No chairs were actually
damaged or injured during the postgame theatrics by yours truly,
So I again, I don't ever want to make my
bosses look bad or my program look bad. I should
I got to contain my frustration, and I you know
(29:51):
I wasn't. There's nobody I thought there was nobody around
or whatever. I was just mad and I acted like
a petulant child, which I cannot. So we move on.
This is the best of the Don gott Leap Show
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(30:40):
about what seventy six seventy seven degrees where you are?
Is that right? Dan has this sheepest grin in his face.
He's gonna right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well, let's see what Iowa, Sam says, and what the official.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
The weather on the woods here the Fox Sports Ready.
Now let's go to Chopper and I and what do
you got high above the one oh one? What do
you got there? Sam? What's the weather day?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
All right, let's see here according to my source, right
now at the Van Nights Airport, SONNY, in sixty eight
with a high of seventy degrees. What are your sources saying, Dan,
can you crosscheck that will be well, that's what I
was looking at as well.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
All right, the temperature right now, it's sixty eight degrees
as of ten minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Green Bay, Wisconsin, graandm Wisconsin's fourteen degrees. It feels like
it's eight. I don't know, it's cool, but it was one.
It was two degrees this morning. And I got up
and I sent a text to to Andy Toole, who's
the coach of Robert Morris, just welcome to the tundra.
It's so cold, uh, And I said, we like there's
(31:47):
a place where the bus parks, and I'm like, hey,
can we have the bus stop like fifty yards for
they just have them walk outside. Just dealing with this
place is like az.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Does it's over by your house? Like, yeah, the lake,
the lake, you go out there and jet, snowmobile, snow machine.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Fish.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
No, eventually you can eventually can't. It just froze over
five six days ago right when it because when it snowed,
it was warmer, had to be warmer to snow, and
some of the light thin sheath about that thin sheath
of ice kind of melted away, and then the cold
wind came behind it and the first layer of real
(32:28):
ice is there. So yeah, right now it's iced over,
but no one's walking on it.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Probably you know, a week you'll see people start to
walk on it, put up their little fishing pup tents there,
and then my neighbors will get their little actually they're
like long tractor, but they know how to jimmy rigg
it so it it gets a little ice rink and
the boys will play hockey out there. Dogs will walk
on it. Yeah, the whole deal. Green Bay will be
we'll fishally be frozen. Uh. This is the Doug Outlet Show.
(32:54):
It is a Wednesday Thursday. Excuse me, yesterday was Wednesday.
Wednesdays are midway right Thursday, we look back in our
own unique way, will recall it. Don't call it a
throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right, let's go with you, our one and only
Jason Stewart, who sets up.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Take it dog, I'll take it from here. Doug, I'll
take it from here.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Forty years ago. Forty years ago, something happened that if
it were to be done today, it would receive NonStop
ridicule on social media. It would it would be the
talk of sports talk. The Chicago Bears were in the
middle of an undefeated season. They were ten and oh
(33:42):
or eleven and zero when they decided to go into
a studio and make a song and video called the
Super Bowl Shuffle. The Chicago Bears had never won a
Super Bowl, they had never been to a Super Bowl,
but they were undefeated, and we're are going to put
the cart before the horse and do a song and
(34:03):
nobody will really hear it because it's a dumb rap song.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But no, wait, wait, wait, wait was it released forty
years ago or was it recorded four years ago? When
was it recorded? That's my question.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Early December, released soon.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
After because they actually lost their one loss of the
year December second, of eighty five. That was the famous
Monday Night football game, which I know Dan wanted to talk.
That's like probably the there's like three Monday Night football
games I remember most. That's one of them.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I remember it well.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
It was a big Marino guy, so they just lost
the game, and they go to they go into a
studio super Bowl that takes.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
A QUARTERBA December third, they lost December second.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I would say that, Wow. I would say that exactly
very definition of a jinx, which I know triggers Sam,
but for superstitious people that is the very general. But anyways,
Dan b Byer brought this to my attention last week.
I didn't even know that they had made one. A
documentary of the song, the impact it had and the
(35:09):
history behind it and the players is out right now
and it's an enjoyable watch. And again it sound I
don't I don't want you to watch because they talk
about superstitions a lot, so I don't want you to
be triggered.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, well, the one thing is that was the same
year that We Are the World was recorded in a
studio that became the biggest song anywhere, And it feels
like this was like a sports bastardized version of it
on some level makes sense a little bit. I'm just
trying to trying to get full context.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
The chorus of a chorus of people, different verses for
each artists, different verses for each player.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, and the song's not very good but.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Bob Dylan learning awkward.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yes, it's an awful rap song. It was a rap
song that must have been written by a white guy.
Is just a really bad song with cliche.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Why do white guys write write bad rap songs that
such a gross mischaracters?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
There are two exceptions, eminem and logic, And I want
to say logic is half black. Anyways, again, like mac miller,
he was good.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That mc miller was good. He's white.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
He was white. Post Malone has offered up different genres.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Dude, post Malone, what I that was?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
He's old country buffet, He's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, he's kid rock now.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
So yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
All that included a song called Super Bowl Shuffle, and
they went on to win the Super Bowl. A couple
interesting things to remember about that Bears team, as Doug
just pointed out their only loss to the Dolphins on
a mind to night, they went into the playoffs and
gave up a grand total of ten points in three games.
(36:49):
Ten points in three games. All those came in the
Super Bowl to the Patriots. The Bears did not give
up a single point in the both the NFC Championship
Game and the Divis Round to the Rams and Giants.
It was a completely dominant team that lived up to
the Super Bowl Shuffle. And I just want to take
us back to nineteen eighty five, Dan Byer, what sticks
(37:12):
out most from that year?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Well, a lot sticks out from nineteen eighty five. It
was a great year. But I think in Doug's bread
and Butter, and I apologize if I'm stealing it from you, Doug.
But the upset of Georgetown by Villanova in the National
Championship Game. Three Big East schools go to the eighty
(37:35):
five Final four. Many thought Georgetown was just going to
cut the nets down win another national title for John Thompson.
But Villanova, heck hardly missed from the field, end up
beating Georgetown in Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Three biggest teams. Who is the fourth team? I know,
Dan Byer knows this, damn Who's the fourth team in
that final fourty five?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Memphis State?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Memphis State right in the state. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Ed Pinckney was on coke?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Right, No, it wasn't Ed Pinckney. Wasn't Eddie Pinkney one
of the McLain's, one of the mclains was on coke.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, Well I'm reporting it now that Ed also.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Like Ed's like, hey, hey, not me. That was Lakers
Lakers Celtics NBA Finals, Lakers Celtics NBA Finals, and the
Lakers and Celtics were far and away the best teams
in the NBA, right, And it was a rematch of
(38:39):
the year before when the Celtics had won in seven
and this one and said the Lakers won in six.
Larry Bird was your regular season MVP. But uh, Magic Johnson,
the Lakers end up winning the series. You remember what
what was that series most known for? By my estimation,
(39:01):
I believe that was. Wasn't that the the baby sky
Hook game when the Lakers won in Boston Garden and
Magic won it on a baby sky hook.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I want to say that was the eighty seven series, might.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Be I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I think I thought you were going to say the Current.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
There was the Boston there was the Boston Massacre, which
is Game one, right, the Boston Celtics won Game one
by thirty four points. It's called the Boston Mascer. Lakers
turn around one Game two. Oh my god, sorry Kurt Rambis,
but uh, the lines, yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
The clothes line.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I don't know, maybe that was the eighty four series,
but yeah, I mean all those all those great memories
of that rivalry I think culminated in eighty five. I
think that was the Lakers' best team, best season. I
will say this. In baseball, the Royals played the Cardinals.
It was called the Something I Something Series. Sam will
(39:58):
know the freeway that connects Same Lewis with Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I actually don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Okay, Cool Brett Saberhagen was our Cy Young Award winner
and I want to say World Series MVP. I could
be wrong on that. George Brett had a great year
for the Royals their first World Series title. I actually
really liked that series and I liked that team.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's I I seventy Series seventy seventy.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
There it is I seventy. Remember that was the Cardinals
team that had Tommy Hurr batted third in front of
behind Vince Coleman and William McGhee. Tommy Hurr had one
hundred and ten runs batted in and only like six
home runs. It was a ridiculous anomaly. But like McGee
(40:45):
and Coleman were on base all the time. Vince Coleman
stole a rookie record one and ten stolen bases that year.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Also most famously known for Don Denkinger's blown call in
Game six. Oh yeah, sure it costs the cardinal the
World Series.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well, Oklahoma was your national champion in college football, the Sooners.
The Sooners were your preseason number one, your postseason number one.
They had not only the bos and Brian Bosworth, but
they had the Vince Lombardi Award winner in Tony Cassius
as well, and the quarterback of the year, the Davy
(41:26):
Bryan Award winner. Sam. This was for you, Chuck Long, Yeah,
who later would become opense corneerat Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Very successful stint there with Bob's toops. Nineteen eighty five
was a huge year for Iowa. The last time Iowa
football ever won, or actually last time they won an
outright Big Ten championship, was nineteen eighty five. They got
up to number one in the country and then they
ended up playing and beating number two Michigan twelve to
ten on a Rob Houtland field goal. The quarterback of
(41:55):
that Michigan team was Jim Harbaugh, and Iowa, though later
would go on to lose one game, and that.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Would be in Columbus, Ohio, on a saggy afternoon in November.
I still have the Sports illustrated where it says, splish splash,
Iowa took a bath knocked off guys boom so Ohio
State that year would go on to play BYU and
(42:26):
the Citrus Bowl, where Chris Carter made one of the uh. Well,
Chris Carter always was making great catches, but he had
a magnificent catch in what was a ten to seven
ball game that I watched over and over on the
old VCR I had the I had the eighty five
Citrus Bowl on videotape and I watched that ten to
seven day tape.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Out Chris Carter only Chris Carter only catches touchdowns. There
you go, No one circles the wagons.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Oh go ahead, Doug, I was gonna circle like.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
The Buffalo Bills, right.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
That was the Oh wait, wait one more thing? So yes,
Chuck Long was a Heisman runner up to Bo Jackson.
Bo Jackson was carry bo Jackson probably jack decision there
with giving not he.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Did not lead college football and rushing Lorenzo White did.
But Bo Jackson Bo Jackson six point four yards of carry,
Lorenzo White seventeen yards of carry. Thurman Thomas by the way,
third and rushing his backup Barry Sanders was Barry Sanders. Wow,
by the way, here's how it shouldn't go this far.
(43:33):
But bo Jackson we think of as like one of
the greatest players ever, right correct? Yes, yes, yeah, okay,
So he rushes for seventeen hundred and eighty six yards
in eleven games. Okay, seventeen touchdowns? Right? Just again, I
know we're doing eighty five. But do you guys know
what Barry Sanders did the next year?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Find out next week on don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Thirty seven touchdowns thirty seven.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
And that wasn't counting the Bowl game, right, correct? Yeah,
all that was pre bowlstats, which is just mind boggling.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Golf in nineteen eighty five can be summed up by
one name, and it wasn't even his real name. Two
Chip Chin tc Chen double hit a ball in the
fun around of the US Open in nineteen eighty five,
and it essentially cost him the lead. Andy North would
go on to win a second US Open at Oakland Hills.
Baron had longer won the Masters the final two green
(44:32):
jackets for him, but tc Chen then because of the
error made which by the way, no longer is a
penalty in golf if you hit the ball twice, it
is no longer a penalty, but nineteen eighty five it was,
and it likely costs Chen a US Open title.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Chi Nike sounds racist, by the way. It sounds like
something Rodney Dangerfield doesn't.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
No, it sounds like it sounds like goodfellas. You remember
he had the nicknames. Right, Hey, there's two Chipchen over there.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
The TC was a abreviated from what his real name was.
But then because he hit it twice to Chip just
worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
The number one pick in the nineteen eighty five NFL
Draft anybody great player? Hall of Fame player, defensive end.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
The nineteen eighty five drafts yep, Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Bruce Smith,
There you go.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
The second pick was Bill Fralick.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, Atlanta Hawks, Right there you go, Aleta Falcons, Yeah, Falcons. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
The first quarterback in that draft, Gay was in the
second round out of UNLV Randall Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I'm sorry, I thought you were ye.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, no, it was kind of a Quid's question. Whatever.
I just it's really amazing on how things have changed, right,
third quarterback was in the second quarterback was in the
third round was Frank Reich. Frank Reich and the fourth
quarterback taken wasn't taken until I had this written down earlier.
(46:04):
I just want to make sure I got it right,
Like wasn't taken until the sixth round, which was Rusty Hilger.
Think about it, that's crazy, Like now all those guys
would be the top top pick, but back then they're like, yeah,
we don't really need to go back. Hilde went six round.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
On sixth round, he was the Tom Brady of the
eighty five draft.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
It's funny you bring up Bruce Smith. I remember I
saw a documentary on Bruce Smith and he was had
some headphones on the when he got the call that
he was drafted. And this the ironic thing is that
he had this song in his headphones.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh Jit a bug.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
This is wake me up before you go go on.
Wham's monster hit album Make It Bigam. Make It Big
was he album of nineteen eighty four, but this song
was so popular that it was the Billboard one hundred
top three Song of the Year in nineteen eighty five.
This is Dan Bayer's favorite singer of all time. I
(47:12):
don't know how he ranked Wham and George Michael or
if he puts them in the same category, wake.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Me up before you go dope? Uh that year in movies?
Can we go to eighty five? Movies? Obviously everybody knows
the eighties and nineties best decades ever for movies.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Wait, can I do you guys remember what? Movie in
early two thousands is two thousands popularized this song again
with a scene where guys are spraying each other with gasoline.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Zoolander, Yes, yes, you know listen.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Nineteen eighty five deserves a full hour, like we're just
not gonna get to everything.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
But this is okay. Sorry, back to you, Doug. This
is so good.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Okay so uh. Number one film in nineteen eighty five,
Back to the Future. Yeah, back to the Future, gotta
go back in time? Back to the Future. Second highest
grossing film in eighty five, First Blood Part two, third
highest grossing film. Another on another Sevester Saloon movie, Rocky four.
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I don't know I want to ruin this for you,
but hey, rock O pulls this one out right, rock go.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I was good change and used good change, well, good
change right. Color Purple Color Purple was four out of
Africa five, Cocoon six, Jewel of the Nile. He remember
Jewel the Nile?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (48:32):
Michael Douglas, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Goonies was the night. Goonies and Spies like Us both
in eighty five. If you haven't watched Goonies, the summer
wrong with your childhood and Spies like us was back
and again when Chevy Chase was funny. He's not funny anymore.
Spies like us core I gots on coffee and that
is don't call it a throwback. Thursday. Hey, I'm talking
to human fly, you Irish funk.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Don't call it a throwback
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state Penn State still looking for a coach, Like, what
the hell is going on that nobody wants to go
to state college and make ten million dollars a year?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad. I didn't
want him to. I mean I didn't support him Fire
and Franklin to begin with. But whatever, I mean, guys
have lost their jobs before that. I thought you should
get one more year. But man, like I don't have
to know. I can look out the window as an
outsider and see fog. But if you're an athletic director,
you can correct me if I'm wrong. Here you live
(01:03):
in this world. If you're an athletic director and you're
gonna make the move on a coach that has averaged
basically a playoff caliber season over the past three or
four years, don't you at least have to have a
pretty good working set of knowledge about who you can acquire,
which was void up there. Just we're gonna fire him
and then well we'll let the plane take off, then
(01:23):
we'll figure out how to fix the landing gear mid
flight was basically.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The planet state.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy,
I would agree. Like again, it's it's one of those
you know what. The the you know what it does
is it completely dismantles and disarms the argument of hey,
we gotta fire a guy early in the season so
we get ahead on the hiring cycle. It's actually been
(01:50):
backfired for them because, you know, because once they fired him, okay,
Nebraska's like, well, we know you're coming after our guy.
We're gonna reup him. Before there's ever a chance, you know,
to get him on. That's really what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm going to tell you the other thing. I think
ls you missed the vote here as well. I think
LSU and Pen State. Now LSU got their coach, so
it's all well and good for them. But we went
through this whole multi week ordeal about if Kiffin takes
the job, will he be able to coach in the playoffs,
And then you got Birge Assbury in the administration at
LSU saying, hey, we would have been fine with him
coaching the playoffs. Well how about this, then, why didn't
(02:23):
you just hang on to Brian Kelly through January? He
could be none the wiser. You could back channel this thing,
keep it ultra quiet. Is it the most ethical move
in the world. No, But I mean, look at the
landscape right now. It's void of any logic, much less ethics.
So I look at Penn State the same way. If
you've got a tight circle and you got folks you
can trust, just back channel the thing. It's purely theatrics
(02:45):
to pretend like you have to have fired your head
coach publicly before you're allowed to begin a coaching search.
There's no law that says that. There's not even a
bylaw that says that. But you've got real Look, I
want to be respectful because, like I know these guys,
but just some gross incompetence at the wheel right now
at multiple big time programs.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
What's interesting was I talked to a couple ads and
they're like, you know, the guy who should get the
sec job versus John Sumrall, and he's kind of got
drugged through a drug over the coles when I don't know,
it feels like Florida actually made a good hire, but
because they didn't get Kiffin, it seems like a negative.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, here's basically what that equates to. I mean, the
best defense of not lacking some role that I have
heard from Florida fans boils down to will we already
try the G five coach from the state of Louisiana,
you know, which is a ken in the real world,
to saying I want to dated a girl from Charlotte,
North Carolina. It did not work out. I could never
(03:48):
date another girl from Charlotte, North Carolina. Like the entire
pool of potential bachelorettes there in the greater Charlotte area.
They're permanently poisoned, the wellest poisoned because one example to
work out. Of course, there's no logic, it's void of
any logic. I've said that three times already in the
short period that we've been talking here. But John Somerl's great,
(04:08):
Like if you get down to football, to get down
the real brass tax football type stuff, he's great. He's Look,
if you don't believe me, I don't care. I mean
my opinions. Whatever it is. You said it, though, go
talk to people around the league. Go talk to people
just around the South in general. Talk to NFL scouts.
They universally knew it was a matter of when, not
if he got one of those big time jobs. I
(04:30):
will tell you this, Doug. He wanted that Auburn job
bad and Auburn fumbled it fantastically, and I was ready
to just rip Auburn, but I kept my mouth shut
because sometimes athletic and administration's trip backwards across the finish
line and end up landing softly. And they did. They
got Alex Golish, and he's a really good coach too.
But John wanted that Auburn job Florida. For all the
(04:53):
people bemoaning this higher down there may in three years
be looking at his saying that could have been the
most fortuitous turn of events. That seventy two or nine
is hour period that we ever could have voted for.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Josh Payton joining us synonymous with college college football. It's
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Josh Paid,
of course has the Josh Paid College Football Show, which
you should watch, listen to download at your leisure, or
check them out on YouTube as well. We were just
having a discussion about the year that has been college football,
(05:24):
and my point was, I can pick apart all the games,
you know, like Dan Byer and I we watched all
these games. Sam's a Iowa guy, so he watches all
the Iowa games, and we go, this was a great game.
That was a great game, you know, and maybe Ohio
State Indiana is an epic one. Has it changed for
you as somebody who grew up around this and now
(05:47):
talks about it for a living. The energy towards a game,
because who wins and who loses doesn't have as great
an effect on the outcome of the national championship because
the biggest games, for the most part, both those teams
are going anyway, right, Yeah, Like so, I guess that's
(06:08):
the question is of the games this year, are any
of them in the regular season going to be memorable
or they really diminished by the playoff.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's a really it's a good question, and it's a
weird answer. So my answer is for some of the
regular season games, my biggest spear was the expanded playoff
would delude the value of those regular season games, and
maybe it did a little bit, but in a percentage form,
I would say like five percent. I went to all
the biggest games in the country. I get to pick
wherever I go every week, Like a lot of those
things were still really really big game environments. I will
(06:40):
say this though. It just dawned on me yesterday. Number
one and versus Number two are playing Saturday, and I
think back to some of like the Game of the
Century type matchups or a Game of the Millennium type
matchups we've had where one v. Two happens in the
regular season, and I think you're right, those did feel
infinitely bigger, even as regular season games than the Big
ten championship game does. And it's because we built a great,
(07:02):
big safety net under it, and that was always going
to be the price you paid for expanding the playoffs.
It's also why it just aggravates me to no end
that we're sitting here at twelve. I still think we
have a fine enough balance and we've got a complete
mess of the college football calendar, and yet the powers
that be's main focus is how do we expand the playoff?
You know, you got a huge mess over here, and
you got something that's working okay over there, and all
(07:24):
their attention is over there instead of over here.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, so help me out. How do you So this
is a real discussion, Josh Page joining us here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. So again, I don't have all
the answers, but I am a college coach, and I
can tell you that at least college basketball did make
one adjustment to the portal calendar. Last year. The portal
was opened during the NCAA tournament, right and then it
(07:47):
closed up in the Final four, then opened this year.
I believe it's not open until after the NCAA tournament.
So that's a positive adjustment. Football is different, okay, and
let me explain, Josh I know you know this, this
is not for you, but so people understand that the
early signing period starts today, right, and high school players
can enroll early. Okay, enroll early as well as for transfers.
(08:12):
Like the idea is, you've got to have somebody in
place for the portal for high school recruiting, and so
you have a team in place at the start of
second semester so that you're can have spring football. So
do you have some of these practices before you get
the summer where you don't have enough time in the
summer to make up for it? Okay, how do you,
Josh Pate, adjust the calendar so that we don't have
(08:36):
not only coaches changing jobs when their team is still
playing playing games. Yep?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, So you've got two options here. You really
have no control over the first one from the athletic side,
and that is the academic calendar. You could have an
alternate universe where, you know, people kind of acknowledge the reality,
and that is that the quote unquote student athlete exists
on campus because of a completely different reason than the
math major. Therefore, you create a separate student athlete academic calendar.
(09:03):
As you know, that's very unrealistic. If you could do that,
you can solve a lot of problems. So if we
assume we live in a world where that's not possible,
then college football has got to adjust its calendar. And
I think what you probably have to do, and I
would hate it because it's one thousand degrees in the
South in late August, but you probably have to move
the start of your season up a week to where
you're that third week in August kicking off to where
(09:24):
you can end your season third week of November, where
your conference championship games are taking place December or Thanksgiving
weekend rather, and then you just four week your playoffs
and have your national championship on New Year's Day, and
then you go National Signing Day shortly thereafter and portal
windows shortly after that. That's the only option I make.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I would say there's one other option, and I think
Saban sort of said it, which is I think what
you gotta do is you got to cut the spring
and fire up the summer. I think that's what you
gotta do.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, and for people don't understand, again, you can't
for basketball, we can do eight hours, but it has
to be four and four. So we get four hours
a week in the summer for basketball and it helps,
but again it's still very very difficult. You don't have
time to have real practice. Like look, reality is, all
of these programs that we're top are four programs. I
(10:22):
would guess by now they all have indoors, so weather
it's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot
and you don't have an indoor, one you better build
one and you're not getting coaches or players, and two
you can do it in the morning. But again the
counter to it is because because the argument is, hey,
we need those practices, we need to get our young
guys up and going we build a new team. I
(10:43):
think the only way to do it is, you know,
maybe you maybe you cut off early enrollees and then
you have summer practice, or you have a certain number
of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,
even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,
they can. But that you can either bank the practices
(11:05):
for the summer that we're supposed to be in the
spring something like that. I think that works.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
A lot of ads that I've talked to, and a
lot of coaches that I've talked to strongly prefer that
you can always tell the guys who have coached pro ball,
So the second that's mentioned, they just say, yeah, that's
just a fancy way of saying OTAs, and yes, I'm
all for it, and yes it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look,
that stuff just makes my head spin because I'm a
visual guy, so it's hard for me to mentally see
the calendar, much less all the dates on the calendar.
(11:32):
But when guys whose opinions I trust all start to
align behind something, I usually shut up and listen to it.
And that's one that's been floated around a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load
you up with some AMO and you can pick it
apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it
when I talk about it on my Showkay, you ready
for it? Go. Lots of people are saying, hey, I
don't want to punish For example, all this is players
for Lane Kiffen's departure. I don't think you punish them. Okay,
(12:00):
I think we're looking at this all wrong. I don't
think Florida State was punished I think Florida State was
appropriately evaluated as being inferior to their where they were
in the regular season two years ago when the quarterback
went down. I think that's the oldest thing. If you
move them down seed wise or whatever you do with them,
you're not punishing them. You're trying to figure out who
(12:23):
the best teams are. And I don't think anybody would
argue they're not as good without Lane Kiffin as they
were with Lane Kiffin, much the way you'd say with
the quarterback. You are you okay with pushing back on
the punished word.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's
all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things
that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we
saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,
so if you wanted to go that route, like our
eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on
the field.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Now agree.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
My whole thing during that period was that committee did
not say best teams. They said most deserving teams. And
then at the eleventh hour, I vividly remember it, Doug
Bill Hancock goes on some interview like it wasn't even
an official platform or anything. And he just casually said,
you know, the term most deserving is not in our lexicon.
(13:17):
It's best. Well, once you say that, I don't really
even care if I think you're punishing them or not.
Like we can argue over semantics if we're trying to
put the best teams in there, who are essentially power
rating teams at that point, and no Florida State would
have no business there. But even applying that, how does
one apply that to Ole Miss right now? Because there's
season's over, we will have never even seen them without
(13:38):
Lang Kiffin or without some of his staff. And I
really don't know how you even quantify the impact.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Agreed, Does Alabama get in if they lose?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame
has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a
couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally
admitted it in their rankings last night.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He's josh Pai check them out. It's Paide State. Its
the Josh Paiate College Football Show. You, sir, are the best.
Enjoy this is I know, your personal Christmas. Thanks for
bringing our guests.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Appreciate it, Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
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the Lions beat the Cowboys last night. I'm aware. I mean,
(14:50):
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I watched
every stap because I was coaching a basketball game. But
I did watch the NFL network at some time in
the middle of the night, and I did get the
general just of things. I was busy wallowing in it.
And that's where we begin. This is the Doug gottlib Show.
We got a lot to get to. We get to
the next. Last night's Lions win, Cowboys loss, a huge
(15:12):
weekend in college football. All right, you guys want to
start there? Is that what we should do or or
I guess we talk about the fact that what's being
called a chair throwing was the lead story for ESPN
dot com for a minute and then ESPN's college basketball page.
(15:34):
And look, I started with the premise or the question
I posed to the guys, which is they got it
had to be a slow news day, right, slow news day.
But I was kind of talked into and I actually
believe that that's not what it's about. For the record,
(15:55):
my basketball team had a oh was it eleven point
lead with two thirty eight to go at home in
the conference opener against defending conference champion and conference tournament
champion Robert Morris. Uh, and we lost. We lost. We
were up seven with a minute and thirty to go, lost,
(16:16):
and you know, we missed a couple free throws, but
twenty five and thirty one. We turned the ball over,
but only one bad turnover. And it was one of
those series of things that all of a sudden go wrong,
right from uh, from two bad possessions to one bad
turnover on a miscommunication and then giving up three pointers
(16:38):
one and one, and next thing you know, you turn around,
you leave their best shooter and then they beat us
on a play that we had struggled to guard and
switched to cover John And I mean it stings worse
than you can imagine. But in case you're wondering, the
story of the day is that I threw a chair. Now,
(17:00):
I'd like to say that I played for John McCloud,
Notre Dame. He was a big chair tucker in her guy,
Notre Dame. We tuck in those chairs, Notre Dame. We
can't be immature, So you know, I was just trying
to put away the chair. I was just putting away
the chair that was left sort of in the door
(17:21):
that leads upstairs to our locker room at the Cress
Events Center. But obviously it's frustration that you have to
hold in. You can't tell your players to keep their cool.
When granted it was after the game, granted it was
off the court and it was tucked in a kind
of vomitorium area. Still it's within sight of a camera
(17:44):
to where they get you doing it, and it becomes
bigger than the actual story, which is, hey, we got
a pretty good team, we've been playing really good basketball,
and we we frankly choked. Frankly choked. It's really what happened,
and everybody owns it, myself included, and got to be better.
Dan Byer, go ahead, you have. You look like you
(18:04):
have a question, right.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
No, No, I just I thought that it was interesting,
and honestly, Doug, because of the tip off time, it
takes me about an hour or so to get home,
so I didn't see what was going on. But I
was checking in on the game and saw that you
guys were up, was following it along on the box score,
and then put it away when I thought the game
was in hand, and then I came back and saw
(18:26):
that there were four seconds left and it was eighty
to seventy eight, and so I was shocked in just
how it happened, and then I felt bad for you,
and then about an hour later than everything ended up
going crazy on social media.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah. So, Jase, do you think it's just that because
it's me, that's the reason that people seem to care.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, We've talked about this before, right. One of your
gifts is that you have the ability to really piss
off people. And we learned last season that you have
ticked off a lot of people for whatever reason, and
they're just waiting for you to do something bad. And
I think last and obviously that includes somebody on the
(19:12):
editorial staff at ESPN, we remember last December when they
completely misrepresented a farcical post about you, and they ran
with it as it was news. I think it's the
same editor who made this a the front story on
ESPN dot com and now it's still up as a
(19:32):
college basketball I just think that there's something about you
and your name that gets clicks where people like to,
I don't know, hate read stories about you. I don't
know what the proper term is, but I don't think
it had anything to do with it being a slow
college basketball night. I just think people have eyes on you,
(19:53):
for better or worse, and when you do anything that
could be constructed as negative, they're gonna they're gonna put
more focus on it than they would any other coach.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But probably pretty accurate, probably very accurate. And it's okay.
You know, it's like the that is our what is it?
Our fifth consecutive close game? Right Minnesota overtime Yale was
two to twenty nine seconds ago. Then we won two
close ones UMass and Iona, and then we well, I
have Haskell was a blowout. It's a non D one,
(20:28):
but then this one in our D one games like
they've all been been close, and we gotta be better.
We gotta be better. But yeah, I guess that's what
it is. I'm sure there's someone there that has an
excuse the expression, a hard on for me, but I
you know, what I believe is like, whoever is there
now wasn't there when I was there, because I was
(20:51):
offered a five year contract when I left, and you know,
they get really protective of their guys. I guess, And
maybe it's an Adam sheep, but I do think that
it's classic clickbait because even the idea that I threw
a chair, well, all right, well when was the stool?
And secondly, wasn't during the game. There's nobody year round.
(21:15):
I don't know it was.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It was not Bobby Knight like people tried to make
it seem like that, like what it was hidden behind
the bleacher, which I am I'll speak for you, but
I'm almost one hundred percent sure, one hundred percent sure
that you had no idea that you were even on camera.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Cool. No, I mean again, you shouldn't do anything, You
shouldn't react anyway, right, But again it's like the let's
not act like I was throwing a fit, even on
the sideline, like I shook hands with Andy toole. His
team made shots we did not. They got play made
plays we did not. They stole one. Great. You know,
(21:52):
I'm sure next time round they'll be way better. Hopefully
will be better. But shook hands and was walking off
and was just so furious, and some of it, if
we're if I'm just being honest, it's not all It's
not like directed at the players. It's the I want
to win. I want to win. I want to prepare
my team to win. I want to put them in
(22:13):
and I don't think I did the best job. It's
not just them, it's us. You know. We have end
of game sets and end of game plays, and we
had a little bit of wonky lineup, so I tried
to I tried to run something that we had we've
been working on or whatever, like eyeah. But you know,
I take that on myself. You know, late in the game,
Dan Byer, we were up two points. They had the ball,
(22:36):
and I considered fouling their leading scorer, who's only a
forty percent free throw shooter. I didn't they drive in,
we have somebody help who's not supposed to help. They
kick it out, hit a three. We're down one, and
I'm I'm just so mad at myself because have we fouled.
The book tells you to foul that guy. That the
likelihood of a forty percent free throw shooter making two
(22:56):
consecutive shots in a one on one is slim to none.
And he's one of their best rebounders, so we would
have a great shot at rebounding the free throws on
like onlike previous years or whatever. But you do bring
losing into play. But I'm mad at myself for timeouts, substitutions,
adjustments or whatever. But again you have to keep that in.
(23:18):
But again they like, really, this is this is what
we've come to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I was more surprised that you swore in your postgame
presser than actually throwing a chair.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well what and and what's interesting about that one? And
again I'm not blaming I think the Fox guy put
it out there was we were kind of done, and
then I I kind of looked at the statuet and
then I just kind of it was a ramble on
sentence right before I left, and I was like, ah,
then they clip me.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I actually thought that you guys started an in the
bonus press conference where you don't care about your language.
That it's after the press conference. Yes, that's what I
think was.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Here's the end the bonus press conference. Go ahead, unbelievably frustrating,
Like unbelievably frustrating. You do everything, you prepare them, you
get them right there, they have the game and they
just they gotta they gotta, they gotta bring it home.
And we just didn't know. You know, we get to
line thirty one timeshich is great. We shot twenty five
at thirty one, which is which is excellent. But we
got to make the wins account. So, I mean, we
(24:19):
had a good basketball team, but can I we just
gave that the way I mean, Sorry, that's how I
That's how I speak in real life, you know. I mean,
I don't know. Oh, I'm gonna tell you this, Okay,
So here's the the question that I know the answer to.
(24:41):
But I'm wondering if you guys are gonna ask, is
balance the wins versus the losses? Like which is a
stronger feeling? And I'm just telling you like the wins.
It it's it's cliche, but it's cliche because it's true.
The wins are a relief, there's just a relief. The
losses are the worst because you want to go. It's
(25:06):
you want to go, like, no, I knew the answer.
It's like a test you'd study for and then all
of a sudden at the end you screw up the
last couple questions. They're like, oh, I know that answer.
Can I take the test again? They're like, no, we don't.
There's no makeup work here. It's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You're also Doug talking to two guys right now, and
Jason and myself who will have their days ruined by
an elimination or a loss in fantasy football. And by
the way, there are thousands, if not millions of people
like Jason and myself who will feel that way about
their picks or their teams, where it will ruin their
(25:43):
night or will ruin their day where they maybe maybe
not throw a chair, but want to throw a chair.
So that's the part that I find kind of ridiculous
of all of this is everybody hates the freaking lose,
and when you're doing it on that scale, on that platform,
in what was a winnable game, Yeah, like it's it's understandable,
(26:08):
delicious than what I think.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Actually was no question, no question, But you know, here,
here's one again, you learn something every day. We were
up to with thirty five seconds to go, or actually
thirty nine seconds to go, we throw the ball in bounds,
which we weren't supposed to. We're supposed to bleed clock, okay,
but we don't. So we throw the ball in bounds,
(26:33):
and my point guard, who played great but he was cramping,
falls down on a cramp and luckily dribble the ball
off somebody else's foot and they just pick it up
out of bounds. Otherwise it would have been tie game
right there. Anyway, the official comes over and then we
have to take him off the court, and the official
(26:54):
says it's an injury timeout. Okay, so injury time out. Well,
I hear time out, and I think that the rule
is on a timeout, the ten second violation resets, but
it was an injury timeout, so it didn't reset. So
(27:15):
when we throw the ball in, there's twenty six seconds
on the shot clock. We got a ten second violation
at twenty seconds, but it was only six seconds to
get across mid court. And again I'm upset because that's
on me. I'm the head coach. You know, my bench
we didn't know, but I asked the official I said,
is that a timeout? He said it's yes, it is.
(27:36):
He said it's an injury timeout. And I just be
honest with you, I didn't know the distinction between the two.
I heard time out. I thought it meant it reset,
and it didn't. So again, I'm not just frustrated other people.
I'm pressiraly myself too. And these are things that you
only learned once, you know, I hope. But it did.
(27:57):
Giving up fourteen offensive rebounds felt like last year. Even
the personnel is different. But again, I didn't play some
of our new personnel because I just didn't think they
were as engaged or as connected as we want them
to be. Like, I'm trying to do it the right way,
and I felt like I was, for the most part,
rewarded by it. And then the gods of basketball and
our team collectively again coaching staff included. We joked game
(28:21):
we could have should have won, we did not. You
have the ball. I'm even up seven with a minute
and ten to go, like usually win the game, especially
when we're a good free throw shooting team, and free
throws though we missed a couple, you know, we were
down one. We drove in there with like seven eight seconds,
so whatever we missed it or twelve fourteen second excuse me,
(28:42):
we very just now and who had twenty missed one
of street throws even missed it badly missed it out.
But again that's how you lose games. So oh anyway,
the answer your question is, and you know this from
fantasy football, winning versus losing is a relief losing his
misery and it lasts way way longer.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, and it sounds so it sounds so trivial, but
it's just just like fantasy football is compared to to
what this is, to what you're doing. But I just
feel like we all have this, those same emotions where
we would throw a chair if it wasn't hours and
we had to go buy a new one. Truly, we
(29:25):
checked on the chair.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Gotten treatment today, a little little bruising, but it's good.
It's it's fine that the chair. No chairs were actually
damaged or injured during the postgame theatrics by yours truly,
So I again, I don't ever want to make my
bosses look bad or my program look bad. I should
I got to contain my frustration, and I you know
(29:51):
I wasn't. There's nobody I thought there was nobody around
or whatever. I was just mad and I acted like
a petulant child, which I cannot. So we move on.
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about what seventy six seventy seven degrees where you are?
Is that right? Dan has this sheepest grin in his face.
He's gonna right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well, let's see what Iowa, Sam says, and what the official.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
The weather on the woods here the Fox Sports Ready.
Now let's go to Chopper and I and what do
you got high above the one oh one? What do
you got there? Sam? What's the weather day?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
All right, let's see here according to my source, right
now at the Van Nights Airport, SONNY, in sixty eight
with a high of seventy degrees. What are your sources saying, Dan,
can you crosscheck that will be well, that's what I
was looking at as well.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
All right, the temperature right now, it's sixty eight degrees
as of ten minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Green Bay, Wisconsin, graandm Wisconsin's fourteen degrees. It feels like
it's eight. I don't know, it's cool, but it was one.
It was two degrees this morning. And I got up
and I sent a text to to Andy Toole, who's
the coach of Robert Morris, just welcome to the tundra.
It's so cold, uh, And I said, we like there's
(31:47):
a place where the bus parks, and I'm like, hey,
can we have the bus stop like fifty yards for
they just have them walk outside. Just dealing with this
place is like az.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Does it's over by your house? Like, yeah, the lake,
the lake, you go out there and jet, snowmobile, snow machine.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Fish.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
No, eventually you can eventually can't. It just froze over
five six days ago right when it because when it snowed,
it was warmer, had to be warmer to snow, and
some of the light thin sheath about that thin sheath
of ice kind of melted away, and then the cold
wind came behind it and the first layer of real
(32:28):
ice is there. So yeah, right now it's iced over,
but no one's walking on it.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Probably you know, a week you'll see people start to
walk on it, put up their little fishing pup tents there,
and then my neighbors will get their little actually they're
like long tractor, but they know how to jimmy rigg
it so it it gets a little ice rink and
the boys will play hockey out there. Dogs will walk
on it. Yeah, the whole deal. Green Bay will be
we'll fishally be frozen. Uh. This is the Doug Outlet Show.
(32:54):
It is a Wednesday Thursday. Excuse me, yesterday was Wednesday.
Wednesdays are midway right Thursday, we look back in our
own unique way, will recall it. Don't call it a
throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right, let's go with you, our one and only
Jason Stewart, who sets up.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Take it dog, I'll take it from here. Doug, I'll
take it from here.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Forty years ago. Forty years ago, something happened that if
it were to be done today, it would receive NonStop
ridicule on social media. It would it would be the
talk of sports talk. The Chicago Bears were in the
middle of an undefeated season. They were ten and oh
(33:42):
or eleven and zero when they decided to go into
a studio and make a song and video called the
Super Bowl Shuffle. The Chicago Bears had never won a
Super Bowl, they had never been to a Super Bowl,
but they were undefeated, and we're are going to put
the cart before the horse and do a song and
(34:03):
nobody will really hear it because it's a dumb rap song.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But no, wait, wait, wait, wait was it released forty
years ago or was it recorded four years ago? When
was it recorded? That's my question.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Early December, released soon.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
After because they actually lost their one loss of the
year December second, of eighty five. That was the famous
Monday Night football game, which I know Dan wanted to talk.
That's like probably the there's like three Monday Night football
games I remember most. That's one of them.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I remember it well.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
It was a big Marino guy, so they just lost
the game, and they go to they go into a
studio super Bowl that takes.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
A QUARTERBA December third, they lost December second.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I would say that, Wow. I would say that exactly
very definition of a jinx, which I know triggers Sam,
but for superstitious people that is the very general. But anyways,
Dan b Byer brought this to my attention last week.
I didn't even know that they had made one. A
documentary of the song, the impact it had and the
(35:09):
history behind it and the players is out right now
and it's an enjoyable watch. And again it sound I
don't I don't want you to watch because they talk
about superstitions a lot, so I don't want you to
be triggered.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, well, the one thing is that was the same
year that We Are the World was recorded in a
studio that became the biggest song anywhere, And it feels
like this was like a sports bastardized version of it
on some level makes sense a little bit. I'm just
trying to trying to get full context.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
The chorus of a chorus of people, different verses for
each artists, different verses for each player.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, and the song's not very good but.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Bob Dylan learning awkward.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yes, it's an awful rap song. It was a rap
song that must have been written by a white guy.
Is just a really bad song with cliche.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Why do white guys write write bad rap songs that
such a gross mischaracters?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
There are two exceptions, eminem and logic, And I want
to say logic is half black. Anyways, again, like mac miller,
he was good.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That mc miller was good. He's white.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
He was white. Post Malone has offered up different genres.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Dude, post Malone, what I that was?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
He's old country buffet, He's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, he's kid rock now.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
So yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
All that included a song called Super Bowl Shuffle, and
they went on to win the Super Bowl. A couple
interesting things to remember about that Bears team, as Doug
just pointed out their only loss to the Dolphins on
a mind to night, they went into the playoffs and
gave up a grand total of ten points in three games.
(36:49):
Ten points in three games. All those came in the
Super Bowl to the Patriots. The Bears did not give
up a single point in the both the NFC Championship
Game and the Divis Round to the Rams and Giants.
It was a completely dominant team that lived up to
the Super Bowl Shuffle. And I just want to take
us back to nineteen eighty five, Dan Byer, what sticks
(37:12):
out most from that year?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Well, a lot sticks out from nineteen eighty five. It
was a great year. But I think in Doug's bread
and Butter, and I apologize if I'm stealing it from you, Doug.
But the upset of Georgetown by Villanova in the National
Championship Game. Three Big East schools go to the eighty
(37:35):
five Final four. Many thought Georgetown was just going to
cut the nets down win another national title for John Thompson.
But Villanova, heck hardly missed from the field, end up
beating Georgetown in Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Three biggest teams. Who is the fourth team? I know,
Dan Byer knows this, damn Who's the fourth team in
that final fourty five?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Memphis State?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Memphis State right in the state. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Ed Pinckney was on coke?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Right, No, it wasn't Ed Pinckney. Wasn't Eddie Pinkney one
of the McLain's, one of the mclains was on coke.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, Well I'm reporting it now that Ed also.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Like Ed's like, hey, hey, not me. That was Lakers
Lakers Celtics NBA Finals, Lakers Celtics NBA Finals, and the
Lakers and Celtics were far and away the best teams
in the NBA, right, And it was a rematch of
(38:39):
the year before when the Celtics had won in seven
and this one and said the Lakers won in six.
Larry Bird was your regular season MVP. But uh, Magic Johnson,
the Lakers end up winning the series. You remember what
what was that series most known for? By my estimation,
(39:01):
I believe that was. Wasn't that the the baby sky
Hook game when the Lakers won in Boston Garden and
Magic won it on a baby sky hook.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I want to say that was the eighty seven series, might.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Be I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I think I thought you were going to say the Current.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
There was the Boston there was the Boston Massacre, which
is Game one, right, the Boston Celtics won Game one
by thirty four points. It's called the Boston Mascer. Lakers
turn around one Game two. Oh my god, sorry Kurt Rambis,
but uh, the lines, yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
The clothes line.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I don't know, maybe that was the eighty four series,
but yeah, I mean all those all those great memories
of that rivalry I think culminated in eighty five. I
think that was the Lakers' best team, best season. I
will say this. In baseball, the Royals played the Cardinals.
It was called the Something I Something Series. Sam will
(39:58):
know the freeway that connects Same Lewis with Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I actually don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Okay, Cool Brett Saberhagen was our Cy Young Award winner
and I want to say World Series MVP. I could
be wrong on that. George Brett had a great year
for the Royals their first World Series title. I actually
really liked that series and I liked that team.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's I I seventy Series seventy seventy.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
There it is I seventy. Remember that was the Cardinals
team that had Tommy Hurr batted third in front of
behind Vince Coleman and William McGhee. Tommy Hurr had one
hundred and ten runs batted in and only like six
home runs. It was a ridiculous anomaly. But like McGee
(40:45):
and Coleman were on base all the time. Vince Coleman
stole a rookie record one and ten stolen bases that year.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Also most famously known for Don Denkinger's blown call in
Game six. Oh yeah, sure it costs the cardinal the
World Series.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well, Oklahoma was your national champion in college football, the Sooners.
The Sooners were your preseason number one, your postseason number one.
They had not only the bos and Brian Bosworth, but
they had the Vince Lombardi Award winner in Tony Cassius
as well, and the quarterback of the year, the Davy
(41:26):
Bryan Award winner. Sam. This was for you, Chuck Long, Yeah,
who later would become opense corneerat Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Very successful stint there with Bob's toops. Nineteen eighty five
was a huge year for Iowa. The last time Iowa
football ever won, or actually last time they won an
outright Big Ten championship, was nineteen eighty five. They got
up to number one in the country and then they
ended up playing and beating number two Michigan twelve to
ten on a Rob Houtland field goal. The quarterback of
(41:55):
that Michigan team was Jim Harbaugh, and Iowa, though later
would go on to lose one game, and that.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Would be in Columbus, Ohio, on a saggy afternoon in November.
I still have the Sports illustrated where it says, splish splash,
Iowa took a bath knocked off guys boom so Ohio
State that year would go on to play BYU and
(42:26):
the Citrus Bowl, where Chris Carter made one of the uh. Well,
Chris Carter always was making great catches, but he had
a magnificent catch in what was a ten to seven
ball game that I watched over and over on the
old VCR I had the I had the eighty five
Citrus Bowl on videotape and I watched that ten to
seven day tape.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Out Chris Carter only Chris Carter only catches touchdowns. There
you go, No one circles the wagons.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Oh go ahead, Doug, I was gonna circle like.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
The Buffalo Bills, right.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
That was the Oh wait, wait one more thing? So yes,
Chuck Long was a Heisman runner up to Bo Jackson.
Bo Jackson was carry bo Jackson probably jack decision there
with giving not he.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Did not lead college football and rushing Lorenzo White did.
But Bo Jackson Bo Jackson six point four yards of carry,
Lorenzo White seventeen yards of carry. Thurman Thomas by the way,
third and rushing his backup Barry Sanders was Barry Sanders. Wow,
by the way, here's how it shouldn't go this far.
(43:33):
But bo Jackson we think of as like one of
the greatest players ever, right correct? Yes, yes, yeah, okay,
So he rushes for seventeen hundred and eighty six yards
in eleven games. Okay, seventeen touchdowns? Right? Just again, I
know we're doing eighty five. But do you guys know
what Barry Sanders did the next year?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Find out next week on don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Thirty seven touchdowns thirty seven.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
And that wasn't counting the Bowl game, right, correct? Yeah,
all that was pre bowlstats, which is just mind boggling.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Golf in nineteen eighty five can be summed up by
one name, and it wasn't even his real name. Two
Chip Chin tc Chen double hit a ball in the
fun around of the US Open in nineteen eighty five,
and it essentially cost him the lead. Andy North would
go on to win a second US Open at Oakland Hills.
Baron had longer won the Masters the final two green
(44:32):
jackets for him, but tc Chen then because of the
error made which by the way, no longer is a
penalty in golf if you hit the ball twice, it
is no longer a penalty, but nineteen eighty five it was,
and it likely costs Chen a US Open title.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Chi Nike sounds racist, by the way. It sounds like
something Rodney Dangerfield doesn't.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
No, it sounds like it sounds like goodfellas. You remember
he had the nicknames. Right, Hey, there's two Chipchen over there.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
The TC was a abreviated from what his real name was.
But then because he hit it twice to Chip just
worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
The number one pick in the nineteen eighty five NFL
Draft anybody great player? Hall of Fame player, defensive end.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
The nineteen eighty five drafts yep, Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Bruce Smith,
There you go.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
The second pick was Bill Fralick.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, Atlanta Hawks, Right there you go, Aleta Falcons, Yeah, Falcons. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
The first quarterback in that draft, Gay was in the
second round out of UNLV Randall Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I'm sorry, I thought you were ye.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, no, it was kind of a Quid's question. Whatever.
I just it's really amazing on how things have changed, right,
third quarterback was in the second quarterback was in the
third round was Frank Reich. Frank Reich and the fourth
quarterback taken wasn't taken until I had this written down earlier.
(46:04):
I just want to make sure I got it right,
Like wasn't taken until the sixth round, which was Rusty Hilger.
Think about it, that's crazy, Like now all those guys
would be the top top pick, but back then they're like, yeah,
we don't really need to go back. Hilde went six round.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
On sixth round, he was the Tom Brady of the
eighty five draft.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
It's funny you bring up Bruce Smith. I remember I
saw a documentary on Bruce Smith and he was had
some headphones on the when he got the call that
he was drafted. And this the ironic thing is that
he had this song in his headphones.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh Jit a bug.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
This is wake me up before you go go on.
Wham's monster hit album Make It Bigam. Make It Big
was he album of nineteen eighty four, but this song
was so popular that it was the Billboard one hundred
top three Song of the Year in nineteen eighty five.
This is Dan Bayer's favorite singer of all time. I
(47:12):
don't know how he ranked Wham and George Michael or
if he puts them in the same category, wake.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Me up before you go dope? Uh that year in movies?
Can we go to eighty five? Movies? Obviously everybody knows
the eighties and nineties best decades ever for movies.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Wait, can I do you guys remember what? Movie in
early two thousands is two thousands popularized this song again
with a scene where guys are spraying each other with gasoline.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Zoolander, Yes, yes, you know listen.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Nineteen eighty five deserves a full hour, like we're just
not gonna get to everything.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
But this is okay. Sorry, back to you, Doug. This
is so good.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Okay so uh. Number one film in nineteen eighty five,
Back to the Future. Yeah, back to the Future, gotta
go back in time? Back to the Future. Second highest
grossing film in eighty five, First Blood Part two, third
highest grossing film. Another on another Sevester Saloon movie, Rocky four.
(48:10):
I don't know I want to ruin this for you,
but hey, rock O pulls this one out right, rock go.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I was good change and used good change, well, good
change right. Color Purple Color Purple was four out of
Africa five, Cocoon six, Jewel of the Nile. He remember
Jewel the Nile?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (48:32):
Michael Douglas, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Goonies was the night. Goonies and Spies like Us both
in eighty five. If you haven't watched Goonies, the summer
wrong with your childhood and Spies like us was back
and again when Chevy Chase was funny. He's not funny anymore.
Spies like us core I gots on coffee and that
is don't call it a throwback. Thursday. Hey, I'm talking
to human fly, you Irish funk.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Don't call it a throwback
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