June 29, 2024 • 29 mins
Doug reacts to the first round of the NBA Draft. Doug gives his thoughts on brewing drama with the Dallas Cowboys. Doug and Dan Beyer discuss the NFL's lawsuit concerning DirecTV's Sunday Ticket.
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think some amazing stuff happened last night. But I'm
also kind of a It's not because I'm a basketball geek.
I'm sort of a I like picking up on trends
in the world. And here's what's Obviously it's unique about
me that I'm a college basketball coach. That's kind of
a new thing. But it's very very cool, at least
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for me. I hope it's cool for you. I had
a hell of a day yesterday. I got a chance
to see the inside of lambeau Field. That was crazy.
Mark Murphy, who's the president of the Green Bay Packers,
we were at a Coaches Versus Cancer event in the
Atrium of lambeau Field, which is this beautiful enclosed area
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inside the stadium which has all been redone and can
continue to be redone as in just over three hundred days,
green Bay hosts the NFL Draft, and Mark said, I said,
you know, I haven't been inside the stadium, but I
want to take my team in to run the stadium steps.
He's like, yeah, I'm been in the bowl. Like no,
So we go through all this construction and then you
walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, it's really cool. Anyway,
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we were talking about NFL draft stuff. Then we start
talking to about NBA Draft. Then I head home and
my team's sitting there and we're watching sching the NBA
Draft take place, and two French players go one and two,
and Zachiati goes nine, and there's some interesting stuff there.
By the way, here's Adam Silver announcing the first pick.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
With the first pick in the twenty twenty four NBA Draft,
the Atlanta Hawks select Zachary Riza Che from the Leon
France and France's Jail.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Four on Bress.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, borgon Bress is a team I've actually played against.
It's interesting. Twenty twenty two years ago, I went and
played in France for a month and a half as
I got a chance to I got a chance to
play professionally in France, and I remember thinking then, it's crazy,
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you know. At that time, you know, Tony Parker had
just come to the NBA, and there was others. Bors
dl was and Michael Pechers was that year in the
in the NBA, and you saw so many, uh first
the diversity in France, especially with the French West Indies
and some of the other islands, and the migration to France,
as well as so many Americans that had played basketball,
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like Tony Parker's dad, that had played there and lived there,
and you started to understand like there was a building
basketball culture. And now to have the number one and
number two pick, that's not announcing your presence with authority
nucleulution style, I don't know what is. I don't know
what is and so yeah, is it a down year, sure,
but you watched, uh, you watched sar Go second and
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He's just a ridiculous athlete, Like ridiculous in terms of
the ranginess and ability. And obviously these guys are raw
and they'll have to evolve as offensive basketball players, but crazy, crazy,
crazy talent. And you start to kind of ask yourself, like,
what happened to America?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
What happened to America that are top players are top prospects.
We have such a depth three hundred and fifty million
people and we dominate international basketball. How can French players
go number one and number two, matter of fact, three
go in the top what six or seven of the
NBA draft? And yeah, obviously it's a spike here for France,
but we've seen this trend building in What.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Is it about?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I have some thoughts and some ideas. I mean, like, look,
there is there is a flight a little bit from
basketball for some for some other sports, but there's still
five hundred thousand plus high school basketball players in the country.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So why.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And it's really interesting like this mirrors in many ways
a lot of the other inventions that we've had in
the United States. I mean, look at the auto industry.
You know, we created the Model T and the Model
A and the U. The production line right, and then
it was improved and maybe even perfected by what they've
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done in Japan. And obviously what they've done in Germany
and in other parts of the world now in China
and others in South Korea has in many ways caught
up to us. And what we've done this mirrors that,
isn't it. It doesn't make sense to anybody else that
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basketball has become the auto industry and we have to
improve our production and the efficiency in the production. How
smart it is. I mean, I was told this once
upon a time, and it's really interesting that in Japan
they have no custodial service and yet if you go
to someone's workstation, it's pristine. It's all what we demand
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of our workers, right, And that's something that I'm learning
even as a coach. Right. The old expression is you're
either coaching it or allowing it, and we're doing that
as a society. Fascinating to me. There is a balance
there between being a dictator and just being discipline oriented.
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And yes, some of it is a spike here. Some
of it is that we've depleted some of our resources
because guys constantly go, but a lot of it is
the fact that others are developing better now. Alex Sar
came over here to develop and played for Ote so.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
A little bit of that is a misconception in yes,
he's French born, but he's been refined by playing for
overtime elite over the past year and a half. But
isn't it interesting how it feels like the NBA is
where the American auto industry has been for years. And look,
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there's been great parts of the American auto industry. If
you're gonna buy a truck, you still buy an American
made truck. And by the way, even the moren truck
brands that the Toyota, Toyotas, the Nissans, they're still made
in the United States. We still make great basketball players,
but the percentages, the ratios are changing, and they're building
better products in many ways, or more efficient products or
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similar products, and in some ways, you know, obviously with
bigger players, better products than we're building. I think the
most interesting pick is going to be Zach Edy. He
goes at number nine, feels really really high. Just does
it doesn't matter once you're drafted, And I do understand
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that most teams in the NBA have a starting center
who's more of a traditional center. They they may only
play twenty minutes a game, but you got to be
able to have somebody who can guard those guys. Just
my question with him is, God, how does it fit
with John Moran. John Moran is all speed and e
loosiveness and attack. And Zach Edy's He's he He's a
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gigantic man. He is talented of what he does, but
it's gonna be a challenge to do what he does
from the basket as he'll have to, and how is
he going to guard? And he's not really a pick
and roll guy, and John Rant's gonna need some pick
and roll assistance. It's just not an above the rim guy.
But I'm I'm obviously Memphis is willing to see how
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it plays out. The comparisons to Steven Adams sound great
because Steven Adams is a gigantic man, but Steven Adams
is an amazing athlete and Zachiedistan, but I looked at
last night's draft and I saw auto industry, you know,
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and and most of it is with our bigger players. Yes,
Donovan Klingen, he went what third overall? He's a Bristol,
Connecticut product, but by and large you go around the NBA,
look at the centers of them. Ninety five percent of
them are foreign born players. They are doing a better
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job on their production line than we are. And that's
something that if you if you don't evolve, you die,
you perish. If we don't evolve, we're going to waste
all the talents that we have in the United States.
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absolutely great, Stap. You've heard the miss before. But apparently
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apparently JJ red I mean Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy
could be feuding. But before we get to that, I
do want to get to this story, which I find
to be absolutely fascinating that the Edmonton Oilers are trying
to come back from three games to none down to
win the Stanley Cup. And it's really interesting, you know,
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we've talked about for a good amount of time. We've
talked about our feelings, my feelings. I think I share
the feelings of the crew on the WNBA. And the
point is that I think we watch and talk about
w NBA basketball probably more than maybe it deserves based
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upon ratings and so on and so forth. But I
also think that it's super important. It's super important to
recognize that again in comparison to, for example, hockey, like
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this is a gigantic story, giant story. You're talking Stanley
Cup Finals, and it was a rep three games none,
and now we're tied at three with a chance to
pull off the upset. And I've been doing sports radio
long enough. I remember when the Red Sox came from
three games none down. That was a seminal moment in
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sports in my lifetime. And that wasn't even in the
World Series. We talked today about even today about the
Cleveland Cavaliers coming from three games to one down. That's
not even three games to none. The point is that,
don't get me wrong, hockey fans can be obnoxious at times.
They don't listen to a lot of sports radio. That's
one reason we don't talk about hockey, but it is
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a big time sport. It's probably the fourth you know,
it's like the it's like the players Championship has always
been the other the fifth major. It's always been like
the fourth major sport. And obviously it kind of like
women's basketball. Scenes it's spiked out. It saw its rise
in the early nineties, early to mid nineties. It's gone
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through ups and downs and been carried on, not carried
on the right networks. Was on NBC, now on ESPN, ABC.
But isn't it interesting that I haven't heard one bit
of complaining And maybe it's because, you know, Hockey Guy
doesn't listen to sports radio, but we haven't got any
complain from Hockey Guy about how much or how little
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coverage they're getting of this what could be historic night.
And the point is this, I just I can't have
people on this show lie to you all. And so
there is no boogeyman. There is nobody against the big
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three women's sports, Hockey, Tennis, disc golf. I don't care.
We cover not necessarily what we love the best, but
what we've found you love the best, what is hottest
in your mind? And I don't know one hockey player
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I'm almost a bit embarrassed a minute, but I'll admit
it because I was told every study tells you he
really cares about hockey, and every store study up until
this year will tell you no one really cares about
the WNBA. So let's not really fool ourselves and act
like this isn't something new that we didn't previously care
and if we start that way at full honesty, we
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can have reasonable discussions. Good, okay, good, It still is
pretty cool, and you know, regardless of it, I'm not like,
I'm like, I'm not a Panther fan. I don't pretend
to be, nor should any of you pretend to be.
But it is interesting that what happens and this is
just like the NCAA tournament, and it happens just like
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this in any sport which is now How can you
not how can you not root for the Oilers to
pull off this? Like I know nothing about anything about nothing,
but I want to see the others win.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Why?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Because I think that's incredible. The bity had come from
three games none down. Oh, I'm all in again. Like
I don't even know the players at play, I know
nothing about it, and I still want to see the
underdogs win. It's just like the NCAA term when you're
sitting there and you're at the Spokane Regional and suddenly
the thirteen seed is given the four seed. The business
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you become whoever that school is, that thirteen seed, You
become their biggest fan. Why because you want to see
an upset. I don't know what that is about human nature,
but that's what we do. All right, Let's get to
this other story. Stop me heard this before, But Jerry
Jones is a meddling owner. Look, I feel zero sympathy
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for Mike McCarthy none. None. And look, Mike McCarthy kind
of played the game. Remember when he got When he
got the got the job, he told everybody he'd watched
every snap every game Boys had played, and then once
he had the job, he admitted that wasn't totally true.
If you didn't know that Jerry Jones was a medaling
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owner and you took the head coaching job of the
Dallas Cowboys, then shame on you. You use that in order
to get the job to begin with. Why would we
think that doesn't exist? I mean, it's almost not worth
the end. It's not printed on paper, it's not worth
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the website that it's even printed on. Jerry Jones is
a meddling owner, yes. And the sun rises in the
east and sets in the west.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And Aaron Rodgers is going to be a space cadet
and all he cares about is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And Lebron James is going to get coaches fired and
then claim having nothing to do with it. Like, none
of this is at all a surprise to anybody, is it?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
None of it?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So I don't even know what to make of this story.
It's like, uh huh uh huh oh, he's undermining you. Like, look,
this is really easy. If you're Mike McCarthy, win playoff games,
don't completely embarrass yourself against a really young team like
you did against the Green Bay Packers, and blame anybody else.
There is no pressure on Dallas. If you simply win games.
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Simply win games, there's no undermining. You should be happy
that you have a job. I would have fired him
and hired Bill Belichick, and Bill Belichick would have taken
the job knowing full well Jerry Jones is a pain
in the ass. Why Because that's what Jerry Jones is.
When you're in your eighties. You're not changing and changing
I gonna go from him being a medaling owner. It's like, Okay,
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now I'm gonna have my hands off. Guys, why would
you do that? You're not going to.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm of this of the mindset. I'm not even sure.
I I feel giving the story and I'm not saying
the story is not valid. But the story, I don't
care because none of it is a surprise, none of it.
None of it is different than I thought it would be.
That makes any sense, Like, oh, Jerry Jones is a
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meddling owner. Of course he is. McCarthy's reportedly getting fed
up with Jerry Jones undermining him. That's per Tyler Dunn.
McCarthy's doing the best he can. Some people I've talked
to you have have said he's getting fed up a
little bit. All right, Well, we're all fed up that
your team doesn't achieve anything in the postseason. And if
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you didn't know Jerry Jones was gonna be the meddling owner,
where have you been in the last twenty five years.
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Have you guys seen this, this NFL Sunday ticket lawsuit.
I guess I don't truly understand the grounds for the lawsuit.
This feels like, what a huge ruling, But obviously it's
in California, very much consumer friendly, consumer friendly court. But
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it was also remember it's a by jury. You can
go to a judge and a judge will likely throw
this out or it'll go to the California Supreme Court
or potentially the United States Supreme Court. But really, the
NFL is charged with upcharging, you know, overcharging for NFL
Sunday ticket, which is crazy to me. Crazy to me
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because it's a competitive bidding process Direct TV and then
and AT and T which you know body DirecTV. They
had to pay a substantial sum in order to get it,
and you got to make money on it. And oh yeah,
by the way, even if it's three hundred and fifty
dollars seventeen weeks seventeen You know, seventeen weeks is the game?
You're paying twenty dollars a weekend to watch every game
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in the NFL. I don't understand the grounds.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
For I actually don't understand the grounds for it either,
while simultaneously regretting the fact that I did not sign
up for Sunday ticket during the window where people are
entitled for damages. So I'm curious what the individual share
is per customer. I'm just saying two point four million dollars,
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two point four million residential subscribers, forty eight thousand businesses
like bars and restaurants. But when you say antitrust, what
potential competitors were hurt by what the NFL allegedly did,
Because I'm not none can come to mind as far
as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, I mean, see, yes, exactly, how can there be
if you have individual rights for it? How can there
be competition? That doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
They wish you and I were on the jury.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Apparently, I just again like I'm just one of these.
You know, It's like, what are your republican or debucated?
I'm just like common sense I call a radical centrist.
But somebody explain to me how it makes any sense.
And if you didn't want it, don't pay for it.
You can still get NFL football for free on Network TV.
You just can't get all the games you want.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I ain't paid for that. And the other, again purely
rhetorical question I have, is why are the damages four
point seven billion dollars? I mean, you know, when we're
talking about what the whole thing in the Aaron Brockovic
movie PG and E that actually did damage to the
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health of people. So if they violate an anti trust laws,
you know, that's one thing. But why would it be
over four point seven billion dollars in damages when we're
just talking about customers watching an NFL game. Again, that's
a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Maybe it's because there's like two point three million people
and I don't know how many zeros would that be?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Sure then per okay, per customer sure on a scale
because it technically affected two point four million people and
forty eight thousand businesses. But I mean that breaks down
to what a share of approximately four hundred and fifty
million dollars per team as it is right now, and
again it can get appealed and negotiated and you know,
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the surprising thing to me, Doug, is who what corporate
entity is more powerful these days? I mean, you know,
you have your Amazons and your apples, but you know,
the the NFL is a pretty powerful corporate entity. I
mean they have the firepower to hire some pretty first
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class attorneys. Now, obviously, you know they were the defendant
in this particular case, but I'm not sure, hey, who
they were necessarily who they were necessarily beholden to in
this particular case. And we're talking about, you know, a
distribution model where I mean, do you think over on
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Park Avenue, in that rarefied air on Park Avenue where
the NFL headquarters are. I think it's three four to
five Park Avenue. They're wondering, gee, why did we even
bother coming up with this distribution out of market model
in the first place? If it costs US four point
seven billion dollars. Now we have Fox Sports Radio legal
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and parenting expert Dan Bayer standing by, and when I'm
talking about this case, I'm just basically asking rhetorical questions.
And rhetorical question number one is you know who exactly
is this really hurting? It's not, like, like I said,
the Aaron Brockovic case, families were literally getting ill and
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getting cancer. And the other thing is why is it
four point seven billion dollars in damages? But I'm wondering
who was a When you're talking about antitrust, that means
somebody as a monopoly and another business can't compete. So
who besides the consumers, if any were hurt by this
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model that the NFL had to distribute everything.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Who do I think was hurt aside from consumers? Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
By the way, can I ask you one other thing? Well, yeah,
are you going to get damages? I mean, did you
personally sign up for Sunday tickets? I did have your Okay,
are you entitled like seven dollars and thirty two cents?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I hope it's a little bit more than that, because
considering the amount that could apparently get up to twelve
billion for them to pay out, there's I don't know
if there's anybody outside of the consumer, but the consumer
is a big enough victim for me. My issue is
with the NFL, and specifically with Roger Goodell making comments
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previously of saying, hey, fans want more football, Let's let's
make a seventeenth game, we'll get a rid of a
preseason game, and we think we're heading to eighteen games. Yet,
do they really mean that fans want more football? Because
if they did, then the NFL would be like, here
you go, here's more. And it appears that they're giving
you more by going to Brazil and playing a Friday
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night opening game and a Black Friday game for what
the second or third straight year that we've had that
on Amazon, So it looks like you're getting all these options.
And now Thursday Night Football for the last you know
how many years, has been every week of the season.
It looks like, yeah, the NFL is giving us more
and more. Yet there was an opportunity for not only
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to pay seventy dollars a month. There was even a
proposal of doing an NCAA tournament type of.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Sunday where you would use six.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Or seven different channels to air all the games on
at one o'clock Eastern time TV.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Baby, yeah it's Titans and Jaguars.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
So those were those were the options that that I
thought that the consumer, it's kind of like the point counterpoint.
You guys are all on the side of the NFL.
I'm the common man. I am there for the person, Doug,
I am there, but you've gone back and forth on this,
no we have.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I'm not again this and this probably sounds like I'm
listening out here. I'm not on the side of the NFL.
I'm just on like common sense, right, like the NFL.
The reason they didn't do it with the with ESPN
was they could get more money out of direct TV,
and they got they got bigger bids out of DirecTV
and bigger bids out of YouTube TV, you know, and
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in order to make up for those bids, they charge
the consumer more like that's how every thing works. And
if the consumer doesn't want the product or if it's
too expensive, they won't pay for the product. Like that's
really how business works. And again I I just I
don't understand. I guess I must be a not understanding
antitrust laws and how how this all works if the
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free market can't dictate exactly if you want, Like, no
one forces you to buy the NFL, no one forces
you to watch it, and it's it's for free over
the air. This is simply if you want to watch
more games or watch your hometown team. And I don't
think it's actually even that much money. Man, I don't
know if you guys know this. Okay, so I know
this coaching AU basketball and now obviously even as a
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as a college coach, you know all these games you
can watch yourself. Like when Brody gets to be playing
AU basketball, you're able to watch all their games. There's
two different baller TV as one and I forget the
I always forget the other one. It's a I'll think
of it in a second. Anyway, it's a couple hundred
bucks per year and you can watch literally any AAU
game anywhere in the country. It's the same thing though,
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right we can watch your kid play without and that
it's the same balance. Do I want to go to
the gym, pay for parking, pay to get in the
gym just to watch my kid play, or do I,
you know, let them go with this friends and I'll
sit at home and I'll watch it. So, I you know,
I don't really understand, but the ability of the suits.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You think three hundred dollars is the tipping point?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Like that is I mean, that's ballparking for what it's
been over the last couple of years. You're saying that
that that is that is the that's the spot like
you buy League Pass in the NBA and it's two
hundred bucks for the entire season, and it's you know
how many you know, it's eighty two games for thirty teams.
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The NFL in terms of theirs is basically you're paying
three hundred dollars for eighteen games.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think two hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Is there are some people will be like, you know what,
that's still a little too rich for my blood.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
But I just yeah, just they try to make it
seem like it's so friendly and there are more and
more windows for us to watch football.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I just that's that's.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's a very smart thing that you that you that
I hadn't mentioned is honestly, I'm not yet to that point.
You really only need red zone because I'm red zone guy.
You really only need red zone like the first month
or two, you know, because you start getting the Thursday
night game, that's one you get the even this year
you got the Saturday game. Or it's Friday, right, we've
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got a Friday. Is that an Amazon opening? The opening
is that Amazon? It's I can't I can't remember. I
think it's Amazon anyway we have you have all these
different windows, and granted you have to have Amazon Prime
to watch the Amazon game, but there's fewer games in
that second window and you can get by with it.
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So I yeah, I I I'm not sure you totally
need red Zone unless you're like us, where you're just
all in and you'll pay whatever. Like it's interesting. Do
I cringe when I knew I paid three hundred fifty
bucks for YouTube this year and I didn't watch it
as much as I wanted. Sure, But then I think
to myself, like seventeen weeks, twenty bucks a weekend, Like
not crazy?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Not crazy?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, how there's people that have bought those stupid
not I'm thinking of Rich Paul, but one of the
Jake Paul fights for like fifty nine ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I know, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I just think that there was a better option out
there that's all at a price that would be better
for the consumers. And I just feel that the NFL
is kind of talking out of both sides of their mouths.
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think some amazing stuff happened last night. But I'm
also kind of a It's not because I'm a basketball geek.
I'm sort of a I like picking up on trends
in the world. And here's what's Obviously it's unique about
me that I'm a college basketball coach. That's kind of
a new thing. But it's very very cool, at least
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for me. I hope it's cool for you. I had
a hell of a day yesterday. I got a chance
to see the inside of lambeau Field. That was crazy.
Mark Murphy, who's the president of the Green Bay Packers,
we were at a Coaches Versus Cancer event in the
Atrium of lambeau Field, which is this beautiful enclosed area
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inside the stadium which has all been redone and can
continue to be redone as in just over three hundred days,
green Bay hosts the NFL Draft, and Mark said, I said,
you know, I haven't been inside the stadium, but I
want to take my team in to run the stadium steps.
He's like, yeah, I'm been in the bowl. Like no,
So we go through all this construction and then you
walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, it's really cool. Anyway,
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we were talking about NFL draft stuff. Then we start
talking to about NBA Draft. Then I head home and
my team's sitting there and we're watching sching the NBA
Draft take place, and two French players go one and two,
and Zachiati goes nine, and there's some interesting stuff there.
By the way, here's Adam Silver announcing the first pick.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
With the first pick in the twenty twenty four NBA Draft,
the Atlanta Hawks select Zachary Riza Che from the Leon
France and France's Jail.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Four on Bress.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, borgon Bress is a team I've actually played against.
It's interesting. Twenty twenty two years ago, I went and
played in France for a month and a half as
I got a chance to I got a chance to
play professionally in France, and I remember thinking then, it's crazy,
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you know. At that time, you know, Tony Parker had
just come to the NBA, and there was others. Bors
dl was and Michael Pechers was that year in the
in the NBA, and you saw so many, uh first
the diversity in France, especially with the French West Indies
and some of the other islands, and the migration to France,
as well as so many Americans that had played basketball,
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like Tony Parker's dad, that had played there and lived there,
and you started to understand like there was a building
basketball culture. And now to have the number one and
number two pick, that's not announcing your presence with authority
nucleulution style, I don't know what is. I don't know
what is and so yeah, is it a down year, sure,
but you watched, uh, you watched sar Go second and
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He's just a ridiculous athlete, Like ridiculous in terms of
the ranginess and ability. And obviously these guys are raw
and they'll have to evolve as offensive basketball players, but crazy, crazy,
crazy talent. And you start to kind of ask yourself, like,
what happened to America?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
What happened to America that are top players are top prospects.
We have such a depth three hundred and fifty million
people and we dominate international basketball. How can French players
go number one and number two, matter of fact, three
go in the top what six or seven of the
NBA draft? And yeah, obviously it's a spike here for France,
but we've seen this trend building in What.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Is it about?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I have some thoughts and some ideas. I mean, like, look,
there is there is a flight a little bit from
basketball for some for some other sports, but there's still
five hundred thousand plus high school basketball players in the country.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So why.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And it's really interesting like this mirrors in many ways
a lot of the other inventions that we've had in
the United States. I mean, look at the auto industry.
You know, we created the Model T and the Model
A and the U. The production line right, and then
it was improved and maybe even perfected by what they've
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done in Japan. And obviously what they've done in Germany
and in other parts of the world now in China
and others in South Korea has in many ways caught
up to us. And what we've done this mirrors that,
isn't it. It doesn't make sense to anybody else that
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basketball has become the auto industry and we have to
improve our production and the efficiency in the production. How
smart it is. I mean, I was told this once
upon a time, and it's really interesting that in Japan
they have no custodial service and yet if you go
to someone's workstation, it's pristine. It's all what we demand
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of our workers, right, And that's something that I'm learning
even as a coach. Right. The old expression is you're
either coaching it or allowing it, and we're doing that
as a society. Fascinating to me. There is a balance
there between being a dictator and just being discipline oriented.
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And yes, some of it is a spike here. Some
of it is that we've depleted some of our resources
because guys constantly go, but a lot of it is
the fact that others are developing better now. Alex Sar
came over here to develop and played for Ote so.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
A little bit of that is a misconception in yes,
he's French born, but he's been refined by playing for
overtime elite over the past year and a half. But
isn't it interesting how it feels like the NBA is
where the American auto industry has been for years. And look,
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there's been great parts of the American auto industry. If
you're gonna buy a truck, you still buy an American
made truck. And by the way, even the moren truck
brands that the Toyota, Toyotas, the Nissans, they're still made
in the United States. We still make great basketball players,
but the percentages, the ratios are changing, and they're building
better products in many ways, or more efficient products or
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similar products, and in some ways, you know, obviously with
bigger players, better products than we're building. I think the
most interesting pick is going to be Zach Edy. He
goes at number nine, feels really really high. Just does
it doesn't matter once you're drafted, And I do understand
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that most teams in the NBA have a starting center
who's more of a traditional center. They they may only
play twenty minutes a game, but you got to be
able to have somebody who can guard those guys. Just
my question with him is, God, how does it fit
with John Moran. John Moran is all speed and e
loosiveness and attack. And Zach Edy's He's he He's a
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gigantic man. He is talented of what he does, but
it's gonna be a challenge to do what he does
from the basket as he'll have to, and how is
he going to guard? And he's not really a pick
and roll guy, and John Rant's gonna need some pick
and roll assistance. It's just not an above the rim guy.
But I'm I'm obviously Memphis is willing to see how
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it plays out. The comparisons to Steven Adams sound great
because Steven Adams is a gigantic man, but Steven Adams
is an amazing athlete and Zachiedistan, but I looked at
last night's draft and I saw auto industry, you know,
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and and most of it is with our bigger players. Yes,
Donovan Klingen, he went what third overall? He's a Bristol,
Connecticut product, but by and large you go around the NBA,
look at the centers of them. Ninety five percent of
them are foreign born players. They are doing a better
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job on their production line than we are. And that's
something that if you if you don't evolve, you die,
you perish. If we don't evolve, we're going to waste
all the talents that we have in the United States.
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absolutely great, Stap. You've heard the miss before. But apparently
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apparently JJ red I mean Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy
could be feuding. But before we get to that, I
do want to get to this story, which I find
to be absolutely fascinating that the Edmonton Oilers are trying
to come back from three games to none down to
win the Stanley Cup. And it's really interesting, you know,
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we've talked about for a good amount of time. We've
talked about our feelings, my feelings. I think I share
the feelings of the crew on the WNBA. And the
point is that I think we watch and talk about
w NBA basketball probably more than maybe it deserves based
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upon ratings and so on and so forth. But I
also think that it's super important. It's super important to
recognize that again in comparison to, for example, hockey, like
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this is a gigantic story, giant story. You're talking Stanley
Cup Finals, and it was a rep three games none,
and now we're tied at three with a chance to
pull off the upset. And I've been doing sports radio
long enough. I remember when the Red Sox came from
three games none down. That was a seminal moment in
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sports in my lifetime. And that wasn't even in the
World Series. We talked today about even today about the
Cleveland Cavaliers coming from three games to one down. That's
not even three games to none. The point is that,
don't get me wrong, hockey fans can be obnoxious at times.
They don't listen to a lot of sports radio. That's
one reason we don't talk about hockey, but it is
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a big time sport. It's probably the fourth you know,
it's like the it's like the players Championship has always
been the other the fifth major. It's always been like
the fourth major sport. And obviously it kind of like
women's basketball. Scenes it's spiked out. It saw its rise
in the early nineties, early to mid nineties. It's gone
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through ups and downs and been carried on, not carried
on the right networks. Was on NBC, now on ESPN, ABC.
But isn't it interesting that I haven't heard one bit
of complaining And maybe it's because, you know, Hockey Guy
doesn't listen to sports radio, but we haven't got any
complain from Hockey Guy about how much or how little
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coverage they're getting of this what could be historic night.
And the point is this, I just I can't have
people on this show lie to you all. And so
there is no boogeyman. There is nobody against the big
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three women's sports, Hockey, Tennis, disc golf. I don't care.
We cover not necessarily what we love the best, but
what we've found you love the best, what is hottest
in your mind? And I don't know one hockey player
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I'm almost a bit embarrassed a minute, but I'll admit
it because I was told every study tells you he
really cares about hockey, and every store study up until
this year will tell you no one really cares about
the WNBA. So let's not really fool ourselves and act
like this isn't something new that we didn't previously care
and if we start that way at full honesty, we
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can have reasonable discussions. Good, okay, good, It still is
pretty cool, and you know, regardless of it, I'm not like,
I'm like, I'm not a Panther fan. I don't pretend
to be, nor should any of you pretend to be.
But it is interesting that what happens and this is
just like the NCAA tournament, and it happens just like
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this in any sport which is now How can you
not how can you not root for the Oilers to
pull off this? Like I know nothing about anything about nothing,
but I want to see the others win.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Why?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Because I think that's incredible. The bity had come from
three games none down. Oh, I'm all in again. Like
I don't even know the players at play, I know
nothing about it, and I still want to see the
underdogs win. It's just like the NCAA term when you're
sitting there and you're at the Spokane Regional and suddenly
the thirteen seed is given the four seed. The business
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you become whoever that school is, that thirteen seed, You
become their biggest fan. Why because you want to see
an upset. I don't know what that is about human nature,
but that's what we do. All right, Let's get to
this other story. Stop me heard this before, But Jerry
Jones is a meddling owner. Look, I feel zero sympathy
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for Mike McCarthy none. None. And look, Mike McCarthy kind
of played the game. Remember when he got When he
got the got the job, he told everybody he'd watched
every snap every game Boys had played, and then once
he had the job, he admitted that wasn't totally true.
If you didn't know that Jerry Jones was a medaling
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owner and you took the head coaching job of the
Dallas Cowboys, then shame on you. You use that in order
to get the job to begin with. Why would we
think that doesn't exist? I mean, it's almost not worth
the end. It's not printed on paper, it's not worth
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the website that it's even printed on. Jerry Jones is
a meddling owner, yes. And the sun rises in the
east and sets in the west.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And Aaron Rodgers is going to be a space cadet
and all he cares about is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And Lebron James is going to get coaches fired and
then claim having nothing to do with it. Like, none
of this is at all a surprise to anybody, is it?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
None of it?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So I don't even know what to make of this story.
It's like, uh huh uh huh oh, he's undermining you. Like, look,
this is really easy. If you're Mike McCarthy, win playoff games,
don't completely embarrass yourself against a really young team like
you did against the Green Bay Packers, and blame anybody else.
There is no pressure on Dallas. If you simply win games.
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Simply win games, there's no undermining. You should be happy
that you have a job. I would have fired him
and hired Bill Belichick, and Bill Belichick would have taken
the job knowing full well Jerry Jones is a pain
in the ass. Why Because that's what Jerry Jones is.
When you're in your eighties. You're not changing and changing
I gonna go from him being a medaling owner. It's like, Okay,
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now I'm gonna have my hands off. Guys, why would
you do that? You're not going to.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm of this of the mindset. I'm not even sure.
I I feel giving the story and I'm not saying
the story is not valid. But the story, I don't
care because none of it is a surprise, none of it.
None of it is different than I thought it would be.
That makes any sense, Like, oh, Jerry Jones is a
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meddling owner. Of course he is. McCarthy's reportedly getting fed
up with Jerry Jones undermining him. That's per Tyler Dunn.
McCarthy's doing the best he can. Some people I've talked
to you have have said he's getting fed up a
little bit. All right, Well, we're all fed up that
your team doesn't achieve anything in the postseason. And if
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you didn't know Jerry Jones was gonna be the meddling owner,
where have you been in the last twenty five years.
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Have you guys seen this, this NFL Sunday ticket lawsuit.
I guess I don't truly understand the grounds for the lawsuit.
This feels like, what a huge ruling, But obviously it's
in California, very much consumer friendly, consumer friendly court. But
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it was also remember it's a by jury. You can
go to a judge and a judge will likely throw
this out or it'll go to the California Supreme Court
or potentially the United States Supreme Court. But really, the
NFL is charged with upcharging, you know, overcharging for NFL
Sunday ticket, which is crazy to me. Crazy to me
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because it's a competitive bidding process Direct TV and then
and AT and T which you know body DirecTV. They
had to pay a substantial sum in order to get it,
and you got to make money on it. And oh yeah,
by the way, even if it's three hundred and fifty
dollars seventeen weeks seventeen You know, seventeen weeks is the game?
You're paying twenty dollars a weekend to watch every game
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in the NFL. I don't understand the grounds.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
For I actually don't understand the grounds for it either,
while simultaneously regretting the fact that I did not sign
up for Sunday ticket during the window where people are
entitled for damages. So I'm curious what the individual share
is per customer. I'm just saying two point four million dollars,
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two point four million residential subscribers, forty eight thousand businesses
like bars and restaurants. But when you say antitrust, what
potential competitors were hurt by what the NFL allegedly did,
Because I'm not none can come to mind as far
as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, I mean, see, yes, exactly, how can there be
if you have individual rights for it? How can there
be competition? That doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
They wish you and I were on the jury.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Apparently, I just again like I'm just one of these.
You know, It's like, what are your republican or debucated?
I'm just like common sense I call a radical centrist.
But somebody explain to me how it makes any sense.
And if you didn't want it, don't pay for it.
You can still get NFL football for free on Network TV.
You just can't get all the games you want.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I ain't paid for that. And the other, again purely
rhetorical question I have, is why are the damages four
point seven billion dollars? I mean, you know, when we're
talking about what the whole thing in the Aaron Brockovic
movie PG and E that actually did damage to the
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health of people. So if they violate an anti trust laws,
you know, that's one thing. But why would it be
over four point seven billion dollars in damages when we're
just talking about customers watching an NFL game. Again, that's
a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Maybe it's because there's like two point three million people
and I don't know how many zeros would that be?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Sure then per okay, per customer sure on a scale
because it technically affected two point four million people and
forty eight thousand businesses. But I mean that breaks down
to what a share of approximately four hundred and fifty
million dollars per team as it is right now, and
again it can get appealed and negotiated and you know,
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the surprising thing to me, Doug, is who what corporate
entity is more powerful these days? I mean, you know,
you have your Amazons and your apples, but you know,
the the NFL is a pretty powerful corporate entity. I
mean they have the firepower to hire some pretty first
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class attorneys. Now, obviously, you know they were the defendant
in this particular case, but I'm not sure, hey, who
they were necessarily who they were necessarily beholden to in
this particular case. And we're talking about, you know, a
distribution model where I mean, do you think over on
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Park Avenue, in that rarefied air on Park Avenue where
the NFL headquarters are. I think it's three four to
five Park Avenue. They're wondering, gee, why did we even
bother coming up with this distribution out of market model
in the first place? If it costs US four point
seven billion dollars. Now we have Fox Sports Radio legal
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and parenting expert Dan Bayer standing by, and when I'm
talking about this case, I'm just basically asking rhetorical questions.
And rhetorical question number one is you know who exactly
is this really hurting? It's not, like, like I said,
the Aaron Brockovic case, families were literally getting ill and
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getting cancer. And the other thing is why is it
four point seven billion dollars in damages? But I'm wondering
who was a When you're talking about antitrust, that means
somebody as a monopoly and another business can't compete. So
who besides the consumers, if any were hurt by this
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model that the NFL had to distribute everything.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Who do I think was hurt aside from consumers? Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
By the way, can I ask you one other thing? Well, yeah,
are you going to get damages? I mean, did you
personally sign up for Sunday tickets? I did have your Okay,
are you entitled like seven dollars and thirty two cents?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I hope it's a little bit more than that, because
considering the amount that could apparently get up to twelve
billion for them to pay out, there's I don't know
if there's anybody outside of the consumer, but the consumer
is a big enough victim for me. My issue is
with the NFL, and specifically with Roger Goodell making comments
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previously of saying, hey, fans want more football, Let's let's
make a seventeenth game, we'll get a rid of a
preseason game, and we think we're heading to eighteen games. Yet,
do they really mean that fans want more football? Because
if they did, then the NFL would be like, here
you go, here's more. And it appears that they're giving
you more by going to Brazil and playing a Friday
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night opening game and a Black Friday game for what
the second or third straight year that we've had that
on Amazon, So it looks like you're getting all these options.
And now Thursday Night Football for the last you know
how many years, has been every week of the season.
It looks like, yeah, the NFL is giving us more
and more. Yet there was an opportunity for not only
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to pay seventy dollars a month. There was even a
proposal of doing an NCAA tournament type of.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Sunday where you would use six.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Or seven different channels to air all the games on
at one o'clock Eastern time TV.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Baby, yeah it's Titans and Jaguars.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
So those were those were the options that that I
thought that the consumer, it's kind of like the point counterpoint.
You guys are all on the side of the NFL.
I'm the common man. I am there for the person, Doug,
I am there, but you've gone back and forth on this,
no we have.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I'm not again this and this probably sounds like I'm
listening out here. I'm not on the side of the NFL.
I'm just on like common sense, right, like the NFL.
The reason they didn't do it with the with ESPN
was they could get more money out of direct TV,
and they got they got bigger bids out of DirecTV
and bigger bids out of YouTube TV, you know, and
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in order to make up for those bids, they charge
the consumer more like that's how every thing works. And
if the consumer doesn't want the product or if it's
too expensive, they won't pay for the product. Like that's
really how business works. And again I I just I
don't understand. I guess I must be a not understanding
antitrust laws and how how this all works if the
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free market can't dictate exactly if you want, Like, no
one forces you to buy the NFL, no one forces
you to watch it, and it's it's for free over
the air. This is simply if you want to watch
more games or watch your hometown team. And I don't
think it's actually even that much money. Man, I don't
know if you guys know this. Okay, so I know
this coaching AU basketball and now obviously even as a
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as a college coach, you know all these games you
can watch yourself. Like when Brody gets to be playing
AU basketball, you're able to watch all their games. There's
two different baller TV as one and I forget the
I always forget the other one. It's a I'll think
of it in a second. Anyway, it's a couple hundred
bucks per year and you can watch literally any AAU
game anywhere in the country. It's the same thing though,
(27:04):
right we can watch your kid play without and that
it's the same balance. Do I want to go to
the gym, pay for parking, pay to get in the
gym just to watch my kid play, or do I,
you know, let them go with this friends and I'll
sit at home and I'll watch it. So, I you know,
I don't really understand, but the ability of the suits.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You think three hundred dollars is the tipping point?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Like that is I mean, that's ballparking for what it's
been over the last couple of years. You're saying that
that that is that is the that's the spot like
you buy League Pass in the NBA and it's two
hundred bucks for the entire season, and it's you know
how many you know, it's eighty two games for thirty teams.
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The NFL in terms of theirs is basically you're paying
three hundred dollars for eighteen games.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think two hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Is there are some people will be like, you know what,
that's still a little too rich for my blood.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
But I just yeah, just they try to make it
seem like it's so friendly and there are more and
more windows for us to watch football.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I just that's that's.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's a very smart thing that you that you that
I hadn't mentioned is honestly, I'm not yet to that point.
You really only need red zone because I'm red zone guy.
You really only need red zone like the first month
or two, you know, because you start getting the Thursday
night game, that's one you get the even this year
you got the Saturday game. Or it's Friday, right, we've
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got a Friday. Is that an Amazon opening? The opening
is that Amazon? It's I can't I can't remember. I
think it's Amazon anyway we have you have all these
different windows, and granted you have to have Amazon Prime
to watch the Amazon game, but there's fewer games in
that second window and you can get by with it.
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So I yeah, I I I'm not sure you totally
need red Zone unless you're like us, where you're just
all in and you'll pay whatever. Like it's interesting. Do
I cringe when I knew I paid three hundred fifty
bucks for YouTube this year and I didn't watch it
as much as I wanted. Sure, But then I think
to myself, like seventeen weeks, twenty bucks a weekend, Like
not crazy?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Not crazy?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, how there's people that have bought those stupid
not I'm thinking of Rich Paul, but one of the
Jake Paul fights for like fifty nine ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I know, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I just think that there was a better option out
there that's all at a price that would be better
for the consumers. And I just feel that the NFL
is kind of talking out of both sides of their mouths.
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