The Greatest Era In Clippers History Is Over

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After Phil Jackson is gone from the New York Knicks,
there is that to react to. But the the story
of the day, the story of the night, or at
least where I'm broadcasting from in uh in Tel Aviv, Israel,

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is that Chris Paul is gone. And that is the
end of the greatest era in the history of the
l A Clippers. Remember the Jack Nicholson movie. As good
as it gets, there's no such thing as a lifelong
Clipper fan. That's that's under the age, that's over the
age of like fifteen, just doesn't exist. They weren't any good.

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Trust me, the previous time they were, they were good.
I was a kid in l A. The riots happened.
They had to play the first round of the NBA
playoff games in um The NBA Playoff games at the
Anaheim Convention Center. So I want to get to what
it means for the Rockets, because I don't think that
it's a slam dunk for the Rockets just yet. But

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the first thing is that is the end of the
greatest era in the history of the l A Clippers.
And you're like, they didn't get out of the second round.
That's kind of my point. They were a little bit
snake bitten, right, injuries to Paul, injuries to Blake Griffin.
If you don't have one of your two or three stars,
and it's a roster that in all candor was built

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for kind of a foregone era. They had Chris Paul,
who's a true point. They had JJ Reddick, who's a
true shooting too. They never are really figured out. The
small forward position started with Jared Dudley. He was out
of shape, heard I fell out of favor, and then
they just tried to keep patching holes and that didn't work.
The powerful was Blake Griffin. Course he suffered through a

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couple of injuries. Even with Paul and Blake Griffin hurt
this year, they still one of her fifty games. And
then DeAndre Jordan who's a true shop blocking center but
cannot face up, cannot score, but can change the game
with as a dynamic rim protector. So much, too, so,
so much that was so good, and yet it never
came together at the right point, even though he even

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had six Man of the Year Jamal Crawford. But the
thing changed when they lost their backup point guard, Darren Coulson.
He goes up the road to the Sacramento Kings and
they replace him with Austin Rivers. And there's this weird
thing about nepotism in our country, or at least nepotism
in sports. Trust me, I'm a coach's son. I played

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for my dad growing up in au and the dads
go one of two ways. Either they're tougher on their
kids than they are everybody else, making it miserable for
the kid, which is how my dad was um or
or they do what what many believe Doc Rivers did

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with Austin Rivers. And it's not that he let him
walk all over him. But remember Doc Rivers wasn't around
for a lot of Austin rivers childhood. He'd pop in
in a game or two here or there, but he's
a head coach nor he was broadcasting. He came straight
from broadcasting to being a head coach. He had now
he was never an assistant coach. He was broadcasting. Then
he's the head coach to the Orlando Magic. Then they

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got off to a bad start with the Orlanto Magic,
he got fired, He went back to broadcasting. Then he
went to the Boston Celtics. Meanwhile, Austin and the family
were still in Orlando, and he would fly back at
the drop of the hat. But it's different even if
you'd fly back all the time you're coaching in the NBA,
it's not like you're a present father. And so, whether
it's the guilt of that or the reality of him
being his son, or just the idea that because he's

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his son, he saw he sees him as something that
others do not. My dad famously told Rick Mjaris that
I was a better pastor than John Stockton. Rick M
Jerrys told him, Bob, don't ever say that a lot. Again,
that's how dads think. And so when it was the
breaking point of the fact that Austin just struggled at times,
especially when c P three was back, or whether or

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not he he wasn't included in the potential trade for
Carmelo Anthony, a friend of CP three last year, or
just the idea of are you kidding me? He gave
a bunch of money to your son, who's just okay?
And oh yeah, by the way, like Austin is not
like Doc in terms of being a beloved personality. He's
just not asked the guys that duke. Whatever the case,

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the old adage and coaching is you coach his son
only three things, and only two things can happen, get
divorced or get fired. And so the Clippers appeared to
have run their course. And now Chris Paul is with
the Houston Rockets, and he had, as his Larry Bird
writes with him with him, which is fascinating because even

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though he'll lose some money this year, he'll make it
back in taxes and he still has the opportunity to
sign that ridiculous two D five million dollar deal next year,
which will be a terrible deal at the back end
of it. And Darryl Morey, as we told you a
week ago, and Daryl Morey says, I'm going after a
big fish. He usually reels something in he may not
get the biggest fish. But he got real something in

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right now, he got a really big one. The problem
becomes this that even though Maury likes to put together
teams on a spreadsheet, and even though he is an
absolute genius with the numbers, we saw the difference in
numbers and how they work in the regular season what
happens in the postseason. But here's the other part of it.
James Harden dominates the basketball. Would he come off it

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because of Chris Paul? Sure? Chris Paul dominates the basketball.
Would he come up off it because of James Harden? Sure?
But when you've played with the ball in your hands
most of your career and somebody else comes in and
they've played with the ball in their hands most of
their career, it works some with the Golden State Warriors,
but the Warriors are a team that is built on

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ball movement. Duran still will overhandle the ball, He'll still
go ieso and and look, Steph Curry will isolate and
go one on one. But the idea that this is
a locked up cinch and will work. And really they

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got rid of their starting other guard and the backup
energizer off the bench in lou Williams. That's part of
what made Houston Houston and so better top end talent.
And whether or not Darryl Morey believes this will actually
make them better, it will definitely make them more interesting
and now makes them players in the Paul George market

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or another potential markets for free agents. People are saying,
Karmeno Anthony, I don't I just don't see it with
how bad it went with Mike D'Antoni. Look, Mike D'Antoni
is an offensive genius. He's an offensive genius, but he
believes that players are two types of players, ball movers
and ball stoppers, and Karmelo Anthony has seen as the

(07:18):
biggest ball stopper. Tonight, today we react to the fact
that this that the Clippers are dead and the Spurs
are gonna have to go super young, right, because Chris
Paul had some desires to possibly go to the Spurs
and they didn't want to make that move. Right, They

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probably could have traded de jont Murray and some of
their younger players as the Clippers are pressing restart, but
they didn't, And so now that you'd have to put
the rockets even if it doesn't work, even if it's
not smooth. Even if they're not better, they'll be better
in the playoffs with those two as opposed to with
just James Harden dominating the basketball like they were last year.

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And you kind of feel like Houston, if you're Paul
George want to take a one year shot, Chris, Paul's
got one year to make it to do it as well.
So I don't love it in terms of fit for Houston,
but I get it, and it's what Daryl Morey said
would happen. They would go get somebody big, and they
didn't give up a ton, although they did give up
two members of their top four back court players in
order to get him. The Clippers press restart, which means

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Blake Griffin can be had. He's already opted out of
his contract. Where he lands now that gets interesting too,
And congratulations, you have lived through and witnessed the greatest
era in the history of the l A Clippers. As
unimpressive as their playoff runs may seem, match it up
against the rest of the Clippers history and you may

(08:46):
start to understand it. Hiring your son. Hiring your son
as a as an employee is a good way to
get fired. Is a good way to lose other other workers.
There's a good way to get divorced. Nobody learned that today,
like Doc Rivers eight seven seven nine nine on Foxes

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the phone number eight seven seven on Fox Welcome to
the Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Other big news
today is Phil Jackson was relieved of his duties. And
what's amazing about this one is to beat candid. I mean,
does this mean that that James Dolan is siding with
Chris stops prezingis is siding with Carmelo Anthony? Because if so,

(09:32):
I got ten years of data to show that Carmelo
Anthony is not the guy worth sighting. That said, I
think most of us know that Phil mishandled some really
really big things with the Knicks. But anybody who thinks
the knicks lack of stability rest solely in the hands
of Phil Jackson, you haven't been paying attention. They just

(09:53):
re up Phil Jackson for two years a couple of
like a month ago. So the Knicks are the Knicks.
Will take you to New York up coming next we'll
get some of your phone calls. Sex. Can you believe
that the greatest era in the history of the Clippers
is over. That's why they're the Clippers. And I think

(10:13):
the Spurs that's a swing and misses. They won't be
able to get demonstrably better at the point guard position.
So h boy, boy, boy boy boy, crazy stuff. All right.
Up coming next, we are going to um, We're gonna
take you to New York and find out and find

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out what's next for the Knicks and what what allowed that?
What fractured this? What changed between when they picked up
Phil Jackson's option and right now? So what what actually changed?
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Doug ot Leave Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh yeah, crazy thing.
I'm actually in Tel Aviv, Israel. Does it sound like it?

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I didn't feel like it sounds like it. That's funny.
You don't look like you though, right, It's just a
weird thing. I mean, I guess that's the trick of
radio anyway. Many thanks to UH uh ittmar Cohen, who's
set this up along with Scott Shapiro. I know that
sounds like the two most Jewish people in the world,
and frankly they are anyway, Uh, it's been truly awesome.

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We start touring the country tomorrow. I will be with
you in for the duration of my time here in
the Holy Land. Can acting this year radio show? And
like last year was supposed to be the free big
free agent year, and next year was supposed supposed to
be the big free agent year, and this year we
have Chris Paul on the move. It was crazy And

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as John Ramos pointed out to me during the break,
isn't it interesting that the l A Clippers didn't try
and go John Cusack holding up a boom box outside
of his house, or uh, you know, or sequester him
somewhere in Houston and not allow him to to be moved. Instead,
he's already released a thank you statement. He's gone deuces
and we haven't even gotten to the we haven't even

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gotten a free agency, which is July one. Of course,
we'll cover it across the across all of our great
litany of shows on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's
figure out what's going on in New York? What happened? What? What?
What was the straw that broke James Dolan's back and
led to him firing Phil Jackson? And and what now

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for the Knicks? What now for Carmelo? I would guess
we know what happens as they key. Christophe perzingis, I
got a guy in New York. We don't know everything,
but we know people that know what you want to know.
You know, sounds like you need a guy. I got
a guy. Mark Berman joins us. He covers the Knicks

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for the New York Post. Mark, what was it was
like a couple of weeks ago right there, or maybe
a month ago. They maybe it's a mid season. They
picked up the option on Phil Jackson, mutually agreed to
extend him for a couple more years. What changed? Yeah,
what was mid February? Golan went on the radio and
said that, you know, so will fulfill the final two

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years of his contract, um he would enact the opt
out cause And that was mid February, and circumstances changed.
And Doan's very very, very stubborn. So you know that
Phil basically put himself so deep in a hole that

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he couldn't climb out of there was no way out.
Dolan had no choice. He had alienated their two best players.
There are two most marketable players, and Dolan with the
triangle as a cloud on this franchise entering free agency,
Dolan couldn't really see a reason to keep going with this.

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He's willing to eat four million dollars realizing that. Listen,
they were the butt of the jokes on NBA Awards Night,
with Drake joking that you know, New York is the
city that never sleeps because everyone's afraid they're going to
get traded. So the criminal presentis lifts Um was the

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straw that broke finally broke the camel's back. Um. Oh,
let's let's start with the Prosingis thing. Um, how much
of it was a lack of relationship with Prozingis and
how much of it was that Prosingis feeling anger towards
Carmelo Anthony like, wasn't Wasn't that Really? The source of
his discontent was that that Carmelo was left hanging, and

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that was Phil Jackson's strategy to make it apparently so
miserable that he would want to be bought out or
Wannah or want to be traded, and that ended up
turning off christophs PREZINGI is more so than anything that
they did to christophs perzingis. Yeah, that's one very good
theory that the presentis camp is trying to deny. But

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I've always felt that Carmelo almost put Chris Stops up
two blowing off that edited meeting or suggested it. But
Listen presents his brother Janice, who's inexperienced agent. He ultimately
advised Chris Stops to not go to the editing meeting,
and we thought they would still meet in the days later,

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but Christops was on a plane a week later. Still
was stubborn enough not to make a larger attempt to
talk to Chris Stops and bring him to Tarrytown. But yeah,
I love that of doubt that Chris Stops was upset
how Carmelo was treated, But I think in the long
run Christops could have understood like moving on getting some

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pawns for Carmelo. Christops kind of feels he's ready to
be the number one guy, but without a doubt that
the two of them were close. Chris Stops has called
Carmelo his mentor. Now they're going to probably be back
as a as a duo next season. I think the
whole thing is, look, did Phil do a good job?

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The answer is not really okay, but he did drop present?
Dropt present is I think the worst thing that he
did in his tenure was give the no trade clause
to Carmelo. And if not for that, none of this,
none of this would have happened, because like, look, Mellows
not a winning player. Other teams in the NBA. No that.
Could you addam to a bunch of other winning players, Yes,
but you can't make him a franchise player anymore. Um

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and and he he poisons the well and and yet,
James Dolan, I kind of agree with you. I think
he watched the NBA Awards and that was that was
really what turned him off because he's he's allowed the
and and you tell me if I'm wrong, Mark, because
you live and you've covered this thing for a long time.
Isn't this kind of disconnecting himself from the actual day
to day is not? That what he did with the Rangers,

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and they had a lot of success, and so he
kind of tried to do that with the Knicks and
by re upping Phil Jackson's like, you know what, I'm
just gonna disconnect. And if this guy fixes it, he
fixed it. If not, he sings it, that's fine. We
give him a couple. The only thing that possibly could
have changed with his porzingis thing which is just a
ridiculous strategy from his brother who's a former player and
inexperiences an agent like you don't do these things. And

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then and then the reaction the NBA uh, the NBA words.
It's the only thing that could have happened. Yeah, Well,
Doblin distanced himself and he tried to and until it
became such a mess that he had a step in
and ask Phil, I don't understand what our future is
right now? We got presentis disgruntled in the free agent

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in two years and Caromello we can't trade, and you know,
Phil ultimately thought maybe we could buy him out and
stretch his contract. In that stretched position opened up some
cap space, but that means he's on the books for
five years. Dolan didn't like that idea at all, But yeah,
I mean Dolan. The greatest thing that Jackson provided for

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Dolan was he kept the heat off the owner and
no one was blaming Dolan. They were blaming Phil but
ultimately that just wasn't enough to keep going going into
duve first free agency. But yeah, the Presnias issue, it
was just one. But if it was either just Carmello

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or just Prezingiis, maybe Dolan would have been able to
handle it. But the combination was just overwhelming. No, coodn't
question and uh. And then the you know, the Derek
Fisher hiring and Derek Fisher firing and then trying to
manipulate and get Jeff Hornestet to run a try the
triangle in offense he wasn't familiar with the players, and

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then getting Derrick Rose and Derrick Rose saying he didn't
even know the triangle and uh, and that they were
better in transition. There's just there's just so much there.
The crazy thing is that that Dolan. The biggest news
the Knicks made all year was Dolan getting into with
Charles Oakley, and that that made the entire organization look foolish.
And people have forgotten that because of this Porzingis thing

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and and the Carmelo thing. All right, last thing, Mark, bet,
to the best of your determination, Carmelo's back or do
they buy him out? Or trade him. Well, so tried
to trade him, and Carmela was insistent that he was
going to invoke his no trade clause, but there weren't
really any offers them made sense, and Carmelo is going

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through a personal crisis, so he's got the no trade cause.
In Phil's defense, uh, there's no trade clause. He agreed
to was because he never, in his wildest dreams would
think Kamelo would still want to be a Nicked if
the club was still losing. He thought they both utually agree,
all right, we're gonna rebuild now and you can move

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on to a winner. And he didn't realize this would
be such an issue. But yeah, Karmelo is probably back,
you know, if they do hire the Raptors GM Massaia Jerry.
He had him in Denver. They had a pretty good relationship,
even though he eventually had a trade him. But he's
thirty three years old. Sounds old. He's only four months

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older than Lebron James. He's working his butt off this offseason.
I think the new regime is going to try to
keep Prezingis and Carmelo together for another of season and
another season. Mark Berman covering the always entertaining New York
Knicks for the New York post Mark. Thanks so much
for being our guy in New York City. Oh, I
thanks so much. I appreciate we got you a guy

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all we got guys all over the country would take
it to Houston in a moment. Look, there's something in
business called the Peter principal, and I think that's really
what's what's an effect here with with Phil Jackson rights
Peter principal. Peter principal is when you're advanced beyond the
level of your aptitude, right when you're and like Phil
Jackson was a great coach. What's crazy about Phil Jackson

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is people will all say, well, Philip Jackson was only
a great coach because he had great players. This is true. Okay,
first of all, name me the great coach who didn't
have great players. They just especially in basketball, it didn't exist.
And Steve Kerr is a great coach. But you know,
it's a lot better to coach the Golden State Warriors
than it would have been. You know, would he be

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viewed as a great coach if he was coaching the Knicks?
Nearly took that shot. But the Peter principle is in
such a fact here because Phil was renowned for his
ability to handle superstar players and he wasn't. It wasn't
always with kid gloves. Perfect example is Kobe Bryant. Like
he wasn't soft towards Kobe or towards Shack. There were

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times in which he let them get away with things
that others couldn't get away with. There were times which
he didn't And then we write things about them in
his book, and you know, Kobe didn't want to work
for them anymore. And then he's like, you know what,
and I don't know, old guys not that bad. He's
world renowned for his ability to deal with super talented
basketball players. But as a coach, what led to his

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alst his inability to do the exact same thing in
a management position. Why Because he's never been a manager.
He was advanced beyond the level of his aptitude, which
in business is known as the Peter principle. Take it
to Houston and find out what's next for the Pockets,

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and if they're going to um propose the league that
they played with two basketball's next year, that after we
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Sports Radio, Mount Wound, hold On, wait for it, wait
for it. Jonathan Faking from the Eastern Chronicle coping, wait
for it on. Crank that up with you, Ramos, Yeah,
here we go. Come on, all right, we gotta get

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back to work. A little rage for you on a
It is Wednesday, right, I have no idea what day
it is or what time it is. Yes, it's it's Wednesday.
It's soon to become Thursday. Where I'm broadcasting from. It's
it's it's absolutely craziness. Speaking of craziness, is Paul is
a Houston rocket? Let me let me like if you
just I mean you just like, uh wait what excuse me?

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Chris Paul is a Houston rocket. Okay, but one more time,
Chris Paul is a Houston rocket. That was not one
you saw coming. At least I didn't see it coming.
And and look and Daryl Morey he liked told us,
you know, hey, look we we want free agents. There's
a bunch of guys out there we wanted we're going
after him. You're like, wow, Chris Paul I would do that.

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And James Harden was the point guard last year. Let's
she cat you up with Jonathan Fagan, who covers the
team for the Houston Chronicle. Um, did you see this coming?
I did not see a trade coming, particularly before July one. Uh. No,
big surprise that the Rockets. We're going to go after
Chris Paul. And it's really not a great shock that
he was interested in the Rockets that or others. I

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thought the Spurs as well. But you know, we really
felt like the Rockets had a great chance to get
a real good swing when free agency began. Doing it
this way is much better for them, but then it
is good for him in one way too. But I
did not see a trade, especially a trade if you

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want to, you can even call it like a seventeen
trade because of all the little bitty contracts the Rockets
have put together to make this work now rather than
next week. Okay, so um, the Rockets are left with
what in terms of cap room or possible flexibility to
make an additional move. Well, they have flexibility. They don't

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want cap room because they couldn't have enough. What they
had to do was to get enough contracts together, so
it's a trade of corresponding contracts. Then they go into
free agency operating as an above the cap team, and
then they have their eight point four million dollar exception
to work with, which these days a mid level exception

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is pretty good money. A lot of guys to play with.
Harden and Chris Paul will be interested in at eight
point four million. And then if they can really swing
for the fences again and try to hit, if to
beat the metaphor to death, hit back to back home runs,
they could even maybe try and use the Ryan Anderson
contract to see if they can get involved in another

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heavy hitter, obviously Paul George being the most obvious name.
But you know, at this stage with everything happening in
New York, you can't ruck Carmelo Anthony as somebody they
look at as well, is there anybody else they would move? Like,
like would they move Eric Gordon? And I don't think
they want They really don't want to. They like part
of the reason for Chris Paul is they didn't want

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James Harden carrying that same load as last year, even
though he wouldn't carry the same load with Chris Paul
at the point. They want those three guys rotating, especially
since they just traded two guards at Beverley and lou Williams. No,
they don't want to move him. Um okay, So how's
it going to work with Chris Paul, who is a
dominant all handler and James Harden, who's a dominant ball him. Well,

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Chris Paul is the point guard that that happens first. Uh,
you know, James Harden has spent his whole life as
a two guard and he's happy to do that. A
point He's made very clear to Chris Paul. You know,
you take him off the ball, but they really like
what that can do because now you run that high
screen and roll. If he gets the ball to Harden,

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Harden now can create on the wing where he likes
to create and did as a as a two, without
double teams loading up on him. Because you're still over there.
Both guys can play off the ball or on the ball.
The Rockets have had a real lack of facilitators. They
always had the one hardened, but they really didn't have another.

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So what happened in the playoffs teams Oklahoma City in
Santonio would contest real hard and say, okay, now you
go facilitate the balls out of James Harden's hands. Were
closing out on the threes, create offense off the dribble,
Trevor Visa, Ryan Anderson, it wasn't happening. Now you get
Chris Paul or James Harden attacking a close out and

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they're creating all over the place. I had one guy
with the organization say today, Clint Capela is going to
lead the team in scoring next year with all the
lobs he's going to get from Chris Paul and James Harden.
That's how well whoever handles the ball first. The next
guy is attacking a defense that couldn't just sit there
and swarm him, as the Spurs did this year and

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the Warriors did the previous two years. Should be fascinating.
UM Jonathan Fagan covering the Houston Rockets. There's been some
talk of Carmelo Anthony maybe if he's bought out. I
think the buyout is not likely with the change of
the next but also isn't wildly unlikely because Mike D'Antoni
didn't like coaching him in New York. It is not Uh.

(29:52):
I would have thought that as well. And I've been
talking to some folks. Let's say absolutely not. You know,
for make Christanton only seems to like everybody, but you know,
nothing against Carmelo. A lot of people like Carmelo. But
whatever issues they had are the Rockets have no qualms
about reuniting them. Now. It would need some big things.

(30:15):
He would have to be a four, not just because
Trevor reason, because you don't say, well, Carmelo can't get
on the court because you got Trevor reason. Trevor is
very good at what he does as a three and
D small forward. But that's what would work at this
stage best for Carmelo. And I know I'm fairly confident
that's how Mike Antoni thinks of him. Would he want that?

(30:37):
Does he want to be a four? A regular four?
You know most of his minutes there. That would be
something that they'd have to find out if it if
it came to that, But as far as D'Antoni is concerned,
he absolutely would if he could get him to do that.
That's what he always saw in him. So I no,
that would not be a roadblock. Jonathan Fagan from the

(31:01):
Houston Chronicle. Jonathan, thanks so much being our guy in Houston.
It's always a pleasure. I got a guy, all right,
that's our guy in uh in Houston. As we will
late what later on? Was it music? We're going next hour?
Next hour, we're going to l A. That's correct, check
in on the Clippers. So um, Ramos brought up a

(31:24):
good point. Another good point, Ramo's great point. Ramo fired,
he's on fire. He found an audio issue that we
didn't know existed before, existed before the show. Then he's
sitting there going like, well, if they hadn't gone and
gotten DeAndre Jordan's he went butterfly effect on us? Did
you hear him go butterfly effect on us music? That's
what Ramos does. Do you guys know what the butterfly

(31:45):
effect is? Yes? Ramos? Okay, so why don't you tell us? Well,
it's that there's one small event that creates a larger
ripple ripple effect and future events. Yes, yes, that's exactly
what it is. So what Ramos said was, have they
not gone and gotten DeAndre Jordan's back and Chris Paul
and DeAndre Jordan don't get along? That's again, this is

(32:06):
from John Ramos, and he has his own he's got
his own podcast. Uh, he's part of the management team.
He sits in on big meetings and I'm not even
invited to. Ramos said, no, they don't look they don't
get along. Forget the State Farm commercials. If they hadn't
done that, Chris Paul still be a Clipper. Correct, that's
the theory. Like they went and got the all they
all ran over there to to Owa Dallas to get

(32:28):
DeAndre Jordan's and then they'vegot about Chris Paul and what
he wanted. That was my favorite. That was my favorite part.
My favorite part. Um. I want to get in on
christophs persingis I'll do so next hour on why he
looks like a clown to me and I like him,
but he looks like a young clown clown. We'll get
to that, but up coming next we'll take a look

(32:49):
at my sack. We I'm told there's a new game
and somebody got a new game while I was out
of town, and of course, which means I gotta answer
some all kinds of questions like what I said longer
Phil Jackson with the Knicks or Lane Kiffin with usc
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(33:18):
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So um, like, look, there's there's a couple of things
that Prezingis has done with. If not for the fact

(34:01):
that people like him, Like we actually looked at any
other person, did it, You would clown that guy. You
would clown that guy. But instead, instead Prezingis kind of
uh escapes the fray and remains in New York and
Phil Jackson is ousted. We'll get to that at the
top of the hole. The first I've I've I've been

(34:21):
told that since I'm away, there's a new game in
my sack. Let's reach into godly sack. It creeps me
out every time, It really does creep me on every time.
Dan Buyer, what's what's in there? Just one thing in
the sack and it's a Ryan music production. It is
what was longer? What was longer is today's game. This

(34:44):
won't be as confusing as the introducing Why does Ryan
Music want to know? What was longer? That's that's what's Ryan?
Or what Ryan wants? Oh? In duration? In duration? What
was longer? In duration? Go ahead? Do want to add?
This won't be as confusing as new prices right games.
By the way, when they try to introduce new games

(35:05):
and the contestants have no idea what's going on, this
will be Yes, that's all it is. That is That's
all it is. Now, Okay, what was longer Phil Jackson's
tenure as president of basketball operations with the Knicks or
the various scenarios I will give you, Doug. Okay, So
what was longer Jackson's tenure as the president of the

(35:26):
Knicks or Mike d'antoni's tenure as the head coach of
the Knicks. I'm gonna go with Jackson was longer than
Mike D'Antoni duration duration Jackson? Ah, No dice, no dice there,
that would be Mike D'Antoni actually spent three full seasons,

(35:48):
resigned part way into his fourth to get technical forty
six months on the job for D'Antoni just forty months
for Phil Jackson. Okay, what was longer Phil Jackson's tenure
as president of the Knicks or Lane Kiffin's tenure as
the head coach at USC Lane Kiffin? I think Lane
was there five years? Yeah, lock it up, you're making
the cash. Lane Kiffin three seasons and then fired five

(36:12):
games into his fourth season. And if you want to
go months, about three months longer than Phil Jackson spent
on the job as the president of the New York Knicks.
All right, how about so longer than Phil Jackson just barely?
How about that it was in the water. There's their shrinkage.
Rex Ryan's tenure as the Bill's head coach or Phil

(36:34):
Jackson's tenure as Knicks president. What was longer? Rex Ryan
lasted three years? Or maybe two years? Three years? I
think I'm gonna go Phil Jackson. Yeah, cash money for Doug.
Rex Ryan actually only coach two full seasons with the
Buffalo Bills. Phil has got him by at least a year. Yes,
longer tenure. Um, he had one with the New York Jets.

(36:55):
That would have been longer, but we were looking for
the Bills and Doug is now two for three. How
about this one love comes into play. What lasted longer
Phil Jackson's tenure with the New York Knicks or Lamar
Odom and Chloe Kardashian's marriage. M hmm. I don't know
when they got married, but I'm gonna go Lamar and

(37:16):
Chloe cash money, Doug, you're raking it in. Remember there
was a time, I too do think that they didn't
get divorced right away. Remember it was like they were
still married and there may have been other things. Anyway, Phil,
we know lasted forty months four years for Chloe and
Lamar in that marriage. That one ended, Um really interesting fashion.
That's that's for sure. Always had still still always had

(37:40):
that love for Chloe even afterwards. Some how about this,
Let's jump back to the NFL. What was longer, Doug,
Phil Jackson's tenure as the president of the Knicks or
Joe Montana's tenure as the quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs. Wow,
going back in the time machine a little bit. Yeah, yeah, um,

(38:01):
I'll go, I'll go Joe Montana. Just two seasons for
Joe Montana in Kansas City. However, Phil Jackson, yes, has
got him beaten out by a little over a year.
It did seem longer that Joe Montana was a member
of the Chiefs, took him to the playoffs. Um, how
about this Tom Brady's career at Michigan. What was longer

(38:21):
his career at Michigan or Phil Jackson's tenure as president
of the New York Knicks. His career Michigan was four years? Yeah,
simple as that, Doug, your honor roll? I think four
out of six right now, we've got so far four years. Yes,
you were right. Nothing to add to that. The final one. Okay,
you're ready. This is this is for all the marbles, Doug.

(38:42):
Do you want to push in and go all in
or do you want to stay? Okay, that's the question.
You can stay and keep all your money. Of course
you're going all in here. It is the topic is love.
What was longer Phil Jackson's tenure as president of basketball
operations with the Knicks, or the marriage of Nick Cannon
and Mariah Carey. Okay, here it is for all of

(39:06):
the marbles. What was longer, Doug? I think it was.
I mean Nick Cannon Maria Carry they had twins. I'm
gonna say they lasted like five or six years. I'm
going to Nick Cannon, Yes, yes, listened all the cash,
oh Man racking it up. Eight years of marriage, dog,

(39:27):
you nailed that one, Mariah Carry and Nick, I can't
believe it was eight years. That's like two Olympics that
they were able to get through Phil Jackson just forty
months on the job. And that was the debut of
the New Game. What was longer was Scott lead Sack
Nick Cannon with the hosting America's got talent apparently everywhere

(39:48):
except for hosting shows. I'm like, he's he's one of those,
like he seems like a delightful guy, and uh, but
I don't. He gets a lot of gigs, man, a
lot of gigs. He's one of those must have a
great agent, guy, must have a great agent. That's That's that,
That's how I look at that. Chris stops Prozingis, remains
in New York. He wants to be the man. But

(40:10):
it's almost as if the Knicks have not been paying
attention at all to kristophs Prozingis himself, because if it
was anybody else, we would clown him. So that's exactly
what I'm going to do. Fill his out, Peter Principal
in full effect, Chris Paul is a Houston Rocket and
why kristophs Prozingis is not ready for Broadway? What up?

(40:31):
Doug gotlip show? Fox Sports Radio? Have you? What is
it um to who much has given? More is expected? Right?
There's also heavy as the head that wears the crown.
That's that's Shakespeare. It's actually been changed to to be
the expressions on what the technical awarding was Doug alliep show, Uh,

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(41:15):
To get to today, most of it revolves around the NBA,
and the focus in New York is on not just
the Knicks, but the firing of Phil Jackson. This was
it's gotta be awkward stuff here from UH from a
coach in Jeff Hornessac, who got an opportunity from Phil

(41:38):
Jackson under the hand Phil Jackson wanted him to run
his offense, not the offense that you know the coach
wanted to actually run. Here's Jeff hornes Sec on the
firing of Phil Jackson. I just wanted to thanks Phil
for a good movie opportunity here in New York. I
wish Phil the best from this point on and SUP
today for us, focus is to get this team better,

(42:02):
continue to build our young players, and figure out a
way to win. We had a lot of time before
the regular season. They'll figure that out. To anybody who
says that Phil Jackson ruined the New York Knicks, they
haven't looked at the New York Knicks since two thousand
and one. Since two thousand one, they've only won more
than forty games twice. Two times. That's it. So by

(42:27):
my math, that's sixteen years, only two times that they
finished above five hundred. They did actually have a third
time above five hundred. During the lockout shortened season they
were thirty six and thirty the best. The best season
they had with Carmelo Anthony was four years ago. Four
years ago when they finished fifty four and twenty eight

(42:50):
they got the Eastern Conference semis. Mike Woodson was their coach.
The following year, the roof fell in. Jason Kidd got old,
remember in the Eastern Conference finals. Then he went to
coach the Brooklyn Nets the very next year and the
roof completely fell in. They went from fifty four to
thirty seven wins. They fired the GM they fired the coach,

(43:12):
They hired Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson hired Derek Fisher. Derek
Fisher made it to a second year after sixteen win
first year which they were dumping games. They drafted christophs
prezingis they end up with Jeff Hornes sec and the rest,
as they say, is history. And look, Phil made a
lot of mistakes, a lot of mistakes. You know, he
wasn't always around. It's weird right now, how you know?

(43:35):
There was a long time when the Lakers. Laker fans
wanted Phil to come back to be their coach in
the last couple of years with Kobe Bryant, and Phil
Jackson was mad that he wasn't asked to be the
head coach, remember when he was dating Genie Buss. Phil
Jackson was mad, But you gotta credit Mitch cup Check,
who knew that Phil Jackson no longer had the work

(43:56):
ethic anymore it took to be great at his job
of coaching. The famous story goes that when he called
up Phil Jackson asked if he'd be interested in coming
what his level of interest would be in coming back
to the Lakers. Phil asked about the possibility of coaching
the team in only home games because of health. Yeah,
I don't know. I like that job. But what if
I just show up on Mondays and Tuesdays? Is that? Okay? Like?

(44:20):
Can you imagine if for the record, I haven't made
it to the level that Phil Jackson has made it,
But can you imagine if I was Phil Jackson and
king to Fox Sports tradeo as I did a couple
of months ago, and then going on even going on
a trip to Israel. I was like, you know, I'm
just gonna take a month off. You're never gonna hear
I'm actually broadcasting live in Uh what time is it?

(44:40):
It is after eleven at night in Tel Aviv, Israel,
broadcast till one in the morning here. Because you have
a job to do, you do the job. And Phil
never had the work ethic in trying to return to
the NBA, and he thought he could get away being
by coastal and just hanging out and hiring some of
his guys. There are things that worked against him. The

(45:02):
change of basketball to which everybody uses a pick and
roll a ball screen if you will. He doesn't have
those in the triangle. The devaluation of the mid range game,
which is one of the things that you create space
for in the triangle. And the elevation of the importance
of the point guard position or lead guard position because
of all these ball screens. You don't have that in
the triangle. There was some good some bad to it.

(45:23):
The thought was you might not have to overpay for
a lead guard the way that other people would because
you weren't putting in the ball in their hands. On
the other hand, all of the really good guards played
with the ball in their hand. You can't in the triangle.
But his biggest success was drafting christs Perzingis and then
ended up coming back to bite them. I mean, think

(45:44):
about this, if if Prosingis was anybody else, we would
be crushing him over liking tweets that were negative towards
Phil Jackson. If persingis was anybody else, we would be
clowning him because his brother, who is a former europe
And player, is in fact his agent. Brother like couldn't
make a team or didn't want to make a team

(46:04):
and just coached him once he reached his mid twenties
and like mentored him, and now he's his agent. He
doesn't have a real agent. He's liking things on Twitter
that he doesn't need to be liking. And as talented
as he is, he is super talented. One he can't
guard his soul, and two he can't be blowing off meetings,

(46:26):
exit meetings especially. That's because to who much has given,
more is expected and heavy as the head that wears
the crown, right, if you want to be a superstar,
you gotta act like it. And none of the rest
of the superstars in the NBA have their brothers an agent,
they have a real agent. None of those guys are
missing exit meetings no matter how bad the season goes.

(46:49):
Carmelo Anthony, they wanted to trade Carmelo Anthony everywhere. They
treat him very poor. They tried to make his his
his The environment he lived in awful, and even Karmen
Anthony showed up for the eggs and meeting. If this
was anybody else, he would get crushed by the media.

(47:11):
But because he's seven ft whatever, seven ft twelve, because
he's talented, he makes highlight plays. Because Phil Jackson called
him a unicorn, that's become his nickname, we totally lose
sight of so many of the clownish things he does.
Get off social media and getting the gip by the way,
he tweeted a picture him out today, himself out so

(47:36):
and I told you before that that this is one
of those classic assumptions that people make that Phil Jackson,
who took over teams, most of them ready made, but
did an incredible job motivating star players. And I don't
think it's the game passed him by or players changed.
I just think I just think this was a volatile
mix that Carmelo Anthony has killed many a coach, many

(47:57):
a general manager, and this is just one or notch
on his belt. That's it. Yes, music is that it
for Phil Jackson. I mean that has to be the
final act, right, no question. What's interesting is he gets
twenty four million to not coach, not manage, not to anything,
and you know they paid Larry Brown to walk away.

(48:18):
It's crazy the money that they have given away to
people who aren't going to coach them anymore. But yes,
Phil Jackson, I would say he's not even gonna be
actively retired. He's just gonna retire. And part of what
we were talking about with Lebron James over these past
couple of weeks, with whether or not he's going to
stay in Cleveland long term, we sort of wrote the

(48:40):
Knicks off given that Phil Jackson was there the whole
posse comments any life to that. Now that Phil Jackson's
out of the question probably depends on who they hire.
It makes it a possibility. I don't see why it's
not a possibility, not a probability, but a possibility. I mean,
if you can find a way to create cap room

(49:02):
for Lebron and Dwyane Wade and you can hire the
right coach who those guys want to play for, why
couldn't you. I don't think I don't think it's crazy
to think that this opens up the possibility because Lebron,
and it was reiterated today something Bruce had told us
last week. Lebron is not going to the Clippers, So

(49:24):
now it's Lakers or bus but what if the Lakers
don't work, you need another option, and that team becomes
that other option. I know, the Knicks, as I pointed out,
if only one more than forty games two times since
two thousand one, that is that is incredible, incredible in aptitude.

(49:45):
That's that's the only that's the only way to to
uh to say that. But it's still the Knicks. And
if you remember, the last time they were hot was
Jeremy Lynn and they were the biggest thing in the NBA.
And it wasn't because Lynn was that good. He was
a great story and he was in a great city
playing for a great team. So yeah, I think that

(50:06):
becomes a possibility, not a likelihood, not a likelihood. Do
you think that with this whole car Melo situation and
getting bought out or is he gonna get traded? Is
any of that going to get handled before they get
a new GM? Like? Is that something that Dolan would

(50:26):
take upon himself and go, all right, we owe you
forty something million, I'll just give you or whatever the
numbers that something? So, but I think they gotta add quickly.
I think they gotta act quickly. Right, It sounds like
that's something that you need to sort of get a
GM first before you handle those type of negotiations unless
you're trying to just wipe the slate clean. So that

(50:48):
Steve Mills is Steve Mills is gonna handle until then.
Steve Mills is uh kind of constantly sigiliary to Phil Jackson,
so they do have some people in the organization. But yes,
you want a new GM to be a to make
that sort of huge, huge trade. We're gonna take it
to l A where the Clippers are officially done. Now
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(51:10):
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Do Do Do lul Lulu um Man. There's just so

(53:01):
many things that are going on, but these these these
two stories seemed to trump everything. They really do, and
they're both NBA stories. The first is Phil Jackson being
announced to The second is Chris Paul is a Houston
Rocket for more. Let's let's figure out what now with
the l A Clippers as we got a guy in
l A. I got a guy Bill Orem covers the

(53:22):
Clippers for the Southern California News Group. You can follow
him on Twitter. Uh Bill, what was what was your
reaction when you heard the news? Uh? Shock And I
probably should put down my baby and change his diaper
and then and then figure out what the heck just happened.
It was a wild morning, obviously. I don't think anyone
saw this playing out this way. I mean, there was

(53:43):
always the possibility that that Chris Paul was going to
do something in free agency. He was expected to opt
out of his contract, take meetings San Antonio, Houston, We're
all expected to be in the mix. But to get
something done in this fashion before July one, I think
everyone by surprise and then just the fact that this
is a guy who really could have had everything tailored

(54:06):
to him with the Clippers. Um, the Clippers, I think
we're prepared to build everything around him for the remainder
of his career, and and and off he goes. So
it's it's it's a game changer for the Clippers and
obviously affects the power balance in the Western Conference. All right,
so now what with the Clippers. Well, they turned full
attention on on Blake Griffin. I think most people felt

(54:29):
like the priority order coming into the summer was Chris
Paul then Blake Griffin. And if Blake decided to go
somewhere else, Um, you had some options with Chris, and
players would want to play with Chris Paul. U. That's
obviously gone. So now they're all in on Blake Griffin
and they want him back. They'll deal with the the
what's the word, um, the the blog jam with he

(54:49):
and DeAndre Jordan's down the road. That's a that's the
pairing they probably wanted to resolve most this summer. They're
still looking to resolve that. The Blake Griffin as a
talent as a twenty eight year old who um has
a lot of years left despite some pretty scary injury history.
They're gonna make a pretty strong pitch to keep him
in the Lakers unit or excoose me a Clippers uniform
and then try to add some pieces around him in

(55:13):
what if Blake says, no, it's really down to the
studs at that point, isn't it. Um, I think all
bets are off at that point. You know, they they
still are going to have an incredible amount of cap
space for this summer. Uh, they could trade DeAndre Jordan,
they could do a year of DeAndre Jordan and Pat
Beverley on billboards and try again into the house at eighteen.
But at some point, if if they go down to

(55:35):
literally nothing but DeAndre Jordan's UM, I wouldn't be surprised
to see him selling pieces off for draft picks and
and and starting over from scratch. And that invites a
whole bunch of questions about Doc Rivers and his future
with the team. The last time a team he was with,
when the rebuilding route, he bailed. Uh, there's a lot
of thought that he would not be up for that
even with the Clippers, So um, it could really throw

(55:56):
the Clippers into chaos just with this one, this one
six ft one point card making a decision to move
to Texas. UM. I have said that Juwan Evans, their
first round second round pick, is the next Chris Paul.
But I mean, I I don't think it's necessarily this year. Uh,
they went and got they got Patrick Beverley and Lou Williams.

(56:17):
Is that their backcourt next year? That's a good question.
I think we need to let July play out and
see how see what else they do. I mean j
j Reddick. I think we've known since the end of
probably since the middle of the season that he's gone
this year. Uh, Clippers aren't interested in bringing him back,
and I believe that's mutual. Um. But I mean maybe,
and you know, Jamal Crawford's in the mix. Uh. You know,

(56:39):
they have a pretty potent scoring one two punch in
Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams. Just not sure that the
team is gonna be good enough for it to matter,
kind of like when Lou Williams was with the Lakers
and they had he and Nick Young on the bench together.
But I mean it could be that Pat Beverley, Lou
Williams as your starting backcourt, or Jamal Crawford or um
depending on how Scendarius Thornwell from South Carolina looks, or

(57:02):
Austin Rivers. But I mean, regardless, it's nothing even close
to what they had with Chris Paul and JJ Reddick.
I mean, Reddick obviously was a liability, defensively struggled with
bigger guards, but still one of the premier shooters in
the league. Um, the Clippers are headed for a significant
down grade. No matter how you look at this, this
is not going to be a team that is going
to have to be able to confidently boast the same

(57:24):
championship aspirations they have each of the last several seasons
with with a true big three in in Chris Paul,
DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin. So when I'd sign in
trade Blake Griffin, I think that for them at some
point they need something to build around, and depending on
what they could get back for Blake Griffin, it's something
they would potentially explore. But everything I've heard is that

(57:46):
they are intent on keeping Blake Griffin in a Clippers uniform.
I think I think the signing trades for Blake Griffin
made sense to bring somebody in to be the third
piece with Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan's to balance out
that roster, to see what kind of what kind of
three man you could bring in UM with with that roster.
But at this point, I think the Clippers obviously have

(58:08):
a lot more belief in Blake Griffin long term than
DeAndre Jordan's, who's fairly one dimensional. UM. They don't want
to go completely bare, bare cupboards here, so I think
if they if they feel like they're gonna lose Blake Griffin,
they might explore that, but otherwise they want him back.
Last thing, how much of this of of Chris Paul
leaving has to do with his frustrations over playing for

(58:32):
Doc while Doc is coaching his son. You know, I've
read the same things you have, Doug, and that's that's
sort of always been something that has has been in
the air and the Clippers locker room, that there has
been tension among many players and and Doc Rivers over that.
And and I think that that that absolutely is a
factor that cannot be discounted. And when you look at

(58:53):
the fact that UM players did feel like Austin Rivers
got preferential treatment that his hesitance to make a deal
with Um New York had to do with his son,
Um not wanting to trade his son and if that
was at the expense of making the team better, and
that was a real issue. Interesting stuff. Bill Orham from
the Southern California News Group covering the l A Clippers,

(59:14):
the new look l A Clippers, which is not nearly
as good a look as the old look l A Clippers. Bill,
thanks much for joining us. You're Doug. I got a
guy uh in l A crazy Huh. You know it's Um.
We talked about this. I think Chris Brussor talked about

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it last week where he said, hey, look, um, Lebron
James is never going to the Clippers. Bill Simmons was
on with Colin Cowherd last week and Bill said they
missed their window, and the window was the Lakers were down.
The Lakers were dysfunctional, Their management was was a complete mess.
There was infighting in the family in terms of ownership. Um.

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They had, you know, Byron Scott was not the right
coach for young guys, and they had young guys they
had to develop and they weren't particularly good. And meanwhile
they had Kobe Bryant taking terrible shots and always being hurt.
The point was the Lakers. Lakers have been down now
for a couple of years, and the Clippers have been up,
but they've never been able to capitalize on it. Now
I know this full well that you know going you're

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still playing in Staples Center, which is more synonymous with
the Lakers. They have to cover up all the championship
banners and retired numbers with uh with with big signs
and posters when the Clippers play there. I mean, it
feels like you're at a a quasi home game, not
the absolute home arena of the Clippers when they play
with the Lakers play and nobody really is upset with that,

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Like the Lakers are still the bigger show. And now
with the Clippers being down, and it appears to have
gone from from bad to worse, and if you really
kind of get down to it, um, I have one
interesting thought for you on kind of one lasting thought

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on what really happened to John McEnroe. You know what
it is music, um Roma's you can figure this one.
You can get this one. I figured out exactly why
why McEnroe caught such wrath, especially from the female community.
You know, what it is. I have no idea music, no, no,
no clue. All right, Well, here's here's the way I

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see it. Um, John McEnroe is obviously guilty of being honest,
maybe honest to an absolute fault, isn't he? Yeah? I
would agree? All right? So um, but here's the thing.
Roma's you've been married how long? Eighteen years? Eighteen years?

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Did your wife ever asked you she looks fat in
his pants? Ah? She asked me how she looks in clothes?
I don't know. She never said need the word fat?
Do you ever said, and how do you say she
looks in the in the clothes? I usually say that
looks really good on you? Yes? Does it always look
really good on your But the pause is the pause
is enough that you didn't You didn't say no, But

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the pause is enough. The pause is not right. Here's
the thing. I mean. You have to understand women are
wired completely differently than men. Serena Williams or people women
who are making these these these judgments. Women can ask
you if I look fat? Do I look fat in
these pants? You can't say yes, honey, you look fat?

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You just you can't. It has never been done. And
accomplished and the man lived to tell about it, or
stay stayed together to tell about it hasn't. So when
a woman asks John mcemroe, well, why have you know
why I put it in the context, why can't she
be the greatest tennis player, uh in the world? That

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was That was a woman asking John McEnroe, does Serena
Williams look fat in these pants? And John McNall was like, yeah,
you know, she kind of looks you know, look, she's beautiful,
but she's big moaned, right, that's what she's saying. I
tossed and turned on this all the last night, guys,
because I just realized exactly what happened. That McEnroe was

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thought he was there to conduct an interview about his
book and about his world and about the changes in
his life and all that other stuff. And what he
was asked was do I look fat in these pants?
And his answer was, yeah, you kind of look fat
in these pants? That makes sense the response that he
I'd say, that's that's pretty spot on when you put
it that way. I know it only took me a

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day to develop that though. All right, so you're gonna
have in depth reaction to uh, tomorrow I will have
something brilliant for you on the Chris Paul Trade. It's
gonna be super delayed, right, it's gonna be what it's
gonna be like the Olympics, where like you already know
what happened and I already give you a little bit something.
But tomorrow it's gonna be a spectacular breakdown, all right,
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Sports Radio. So, um, look it, it appears like the
Rockets don't think that they're done. But what does that mean? Right?
Like do you make another move? Do you really kind
of go for the gusto? Or do you sit there
and go like, hey, we'll just get another guy to

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play with these guys, Because because they do, there is
the chance that the Rockets run into Franklin Cleveland ran
into which the Rockets not only got rid of Patrick Beverley,
but they also got rid of Lou Williams, who's their
score off the bench, and you need that, you need
that dude off the bench. But with an eight point

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five million dollar exception, you can get a decent player.
I just you know what, what else can you move around?
When you have Ryan Anderson? Do you move him? Do
you move Eric Gordon? I'm Eric Gordon from Indianapolis? Do
you move Eric Gordon? At you know, to go and
get try and go and get Paul George. And then
if you're Boston, don't you go for it too. There

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were some that thought, some that believed that um, that well,
the Calves are gonna win the East next year anyway,
and the Warriors are gonna win the West anyway, so
why not play for the future. But that that's just
not how people are wired. Teams are wired. And we

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still have the possibility of Cleveland adding another piece. We
still have the possibility of Boston adding another piece or
two um or maybe the Wizards. Who knows, are the
Wizards so desperate to add a third score that they
mortgage their future and go and get Paul George to
go along with Brad Beal and John Wall That seems

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less likely than the others, but it's at least a possibility,
And I'll tell you what happened today was honestly, I
think the Western Conference got significantly weaker. Significantly. We would
all agree that the Clippers have gone from a threat,

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at least some form of form noble threat with the
Golden State Warriors, to being a likely non playoff team.
That's not that's not a crazy assumption, correct, Okay, and
Chris Paul. The teams we thought he could leave and
go to were the san Antonio Spurs, right, they that
would make sense. Maybe Milwaukee makes sense, move um, move

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the Greek freak off of the point guard spot. But
that wasn't gonna happen. So if if san Antonio is
left with what do we do with the Marcus Aldrich
We don't love him. What do we do with Paul Gasol?
We don't love him? Tony Parker's coming off a blown
out quad injury. You know you have a you have
de Jonte Murray to be your point guard who did

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not start this year, is a rookie and it's still
very much early in the growth curve, like san Antonio
is not a threat to win an NBA championship with
the roster as it's currently constructed. Is that fair? That's fair?
And if they can't add Chris Paul, who is the
big time guard they can add while they wait for
Tony Parker and find out Tony Parker ever becomes good again.

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There isn't one. This move hurts the San Antonio Spurs.
This move kills the l A Clippers and the Rockets.
I think they're better, but it's it. You got two
dominant ball handlers and you lost a lot of your bench.
I'm not convinced that actually makes them a better basketball team,
even if they have better pieces at the point guard
position and the wing position or a small four position.

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But then, if you're the Celtics, don't you go for it?
Don't you push your chips kind of someone on the table,
And there's the thought that Lebron may end up leaving
and go to the Lakers next year and you'll still
be in prime position. Don't you go for it? I
would say the answer is yes, go ahead and ry music. Well,

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so we're all we're wondering where Paul George is going
to end up because we basically are assuming that the
Pacers are not going to try and let him play
out his next contract, and they're going to try and
at least get something for him. And it seems interesting
that no matter where he goes, is he going to
be the number three option or what is he going
to be? Because if he you talk about the interesting

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fit that it could be with Chris, Paul and James Harden,
and then if you throw Paul George into the mix,
I mean that's another player who likes to have the
ball in his hands. Or if you look at the
Boston situation, Isaiah Thomas handles the ball a lot, and
then the hope is that they get Gordon Hayward, who
would also need to handle the ball a lot, and
then you put Chris, then you would put Paul George
in that situation. It just seems like I know he

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wants out of Indiana, but I don't really know what
is actually considered a good fit for him. Um, well,
Paul George does not have to be a diamond ball handler,
but he's his score, don't get me wrong. And you
need the ball. And I've never seen anybody's school when
they don't actually touch the basketball. I haven't seen that.
But there's a difference to how Paul George plays and

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how James Harden plays, or how Chris Paul plays, or
how Russell Westbrook plays in terms of the volume of
touches and the volume of droubles that they that they
have when they're playing a game. So I think he
fits fine with the Celtics. Um. I think he would
fit the Calves as their third best score. I think

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there's plenty of opportunities there. It would be a little
bit different. The The one thing about the Calves which
I think he'd probably like is there'll be a lot
of the game in which he would play small forward
more than power forward, which he didn't like playing with.
The crazy part about it is that created a mismatch
for him. So uh yes. And in technical in all technicalities,

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everybody needs the needs the basketball to score, but Paul
George is not a guy who hunts the basketball and
always goes kind of one on one at the top
of the key with the highball screen. That you're thinking
with these dominant ball handling guards, that making a sense
to team music, Yeah, No, I guess I guess it
makes sense. But it just seems like, I know, the

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trend for these stars in the NBA now is that
they all kind of want to team up, So that
that way they can be able to compete with the Warriors.
I just wonder if Paul George's desire, I mean, I
guess whatever the Pacers where they want to trade him too,
since he doesn't have one of those no trade clause,
he kind of ends up going anyway. I just wonder
if he kind of wants to end up on a

(01:10:59):
team like the Lakers, where he's the guy on the
team and then people come to join his team, Like,
does that make any difference? No, I don't think so.
I think you everybody knows that you need other players
in order to be good, right, And so the story
with Paul George is he's still trying to work other
guys into Hey, you should come to the Lakers, will
be really good there. So while you assume brandon Ingram

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and be good, you hope that Lonzo Ball be good,
You're like, I'd be good, but I need somebody else
on the other side of the floor, so I don't
constantly being double teamed. I do think you need decent
players with you. But we should also remember, look at
all the turnover you'll see in the NBA this year,
you'll see even more going forward until next year. What
does the Fox say? Wait, do you what Bill Plotsky,

(01:11:43):
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(01:12:55):
Platsky was on Fox Sports Radio longtime l a time
sports writer. He had this to say about Chris Paul.
He's a queer. He had the richest order in basketball.
He had the entertainment capitol of the world. He was
a leader of the team. He was a star in
a star driven town. Chris Paul left the Clippers in tatters.

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They were going to rebuild the franchise around him. He
was a symbol. Chris Paul was the face of the
rebirth of the Clippers. This is not play Griffins team,
not DJ's team, and he walked away from all of them.
Bomber's gonna think, what am I doing old in this team?
Is if I can't get the market players to stay
with me, they walk out on me. I ain't. Doc
Rivers has to think what am I doing here? I said,

(01:13:36):
this is Steve. As much as I, you know, love
l A and and I like the Clippers to stay.
They'd be better off in a different city. He's talking
about building a new arena down in Emblewood. They got
Jerry West a new arena, Doc Rivers, and it still
wasn't enough for Chris Paul. How much longer is not
going to stick around for this? Mm hmmm, mm hmm.

(01:13:57):
How much longer is doctors? How much longer do they
want doctors to stay around from it? That was a
weird perspective from plats Key, really weird. I mean, look,
they had run into they had they were bumping into
their ceiling. I thought they were better than their eventual finishes.
But we can be honest and say everything was not
Rosie and Camelot, can't we was Bill Platsky the only

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one who thought that that team wasn't the perfect team?
May like I don't And the idea of having the
richest owner of the NBA like that doesn't really matter
to anybody. There's only so much you can actually pay
these guys anyway. It really is do you have a location?
You do, but you're still the Clippers. The Clippers story

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is no different than the Brooklyn Nets story. We saw
this story with the Brooklyn Nets with Mikhail Prokov, you know,
five seven years ago, where oh he comes in, I
have billions of dollars opulence, has it right? That's what
he came in and he was acting like and for
his five years ago wind championship. They didn't win any
championship can't buy a championship. I gotta get a little

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lucky got draft, Well, gotta buy can just kind of
the right guy, get the right coach, you have the
right fan base, being the right conference at the right
moment and strike and none of that end up seem
to work out for him. Steve Ballmer paid a billion
dollars above the actual value of the l A Clippers,
and sure he's gonna build a news arena that's gonna
be ready in like seven years. But it's still the Clippers.

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It's still the Clippers. Um, yes, the right music. So
the where the Clippers are at now? Is Blake Griffins
still are Yeah, now that they don't have Chris Paul.
You said where they're at? Where they are? Sorry? Um?
Is Blake Griffin still one of those players in the

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NBA that you can sort of build the team around
and be successful, Like, if you find another point guard
to play with Blake Griffin? Is that enough to compete
in the West to win the championship? Well? I don't know.
They weren't necessarily like a legitimate championship contender, but are
they just one point guard away from getting back to
where they were? Um? You know, what point guard would

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that be. That's the problem with it. Now. What this
trade could bring them is the depth that they have
so badly needed, right like the Clippers. The problem the Clippers,
they just had too many holes. They didn't have a
small forward, they didn't have you know, they had Oscar Versus,
their backup point guard who wasn't really a point guard,
but he had spots where he was actually pretty good.
This year, Jamal Crawford's aging, and they didn't have you know,

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most spates out the bench was done. He was washed.
That's why the the the that's why the Warriors let
him go. So I are they a point guard away? Yeah,
they have. If there's another Chris Paul out there they
could get, they would be Chris Paul away from competing
at the same level they were last year, and they
probably be better because they have all these other pieces

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as part of that trade. The problem is there isn't
another CP three out there. Do you think do you
think a team like the Minnesota timber Wolves is going
to sort of jump into that playoff spot and force
the Clippers out? I mean, I know it's hard to predict.
Depending on how the rest of these rosters fill out,
but you have to see how the rest of the roster.
You have to see how the rest of the rosters
fill out. Is absolutely fair. But yeah, I mean that's

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we talked about it last week, which is everybody's saying
Minnesota is going to be a playoff team, or last
Friday after the Thursday draft, everybody's can say, well, you
gotta take a team out of the playoffs. Would it
be Portland's Maybe you know what happens with New Orleans.
Can the Pelicans figure it out in time? But yeah,
I don't. I don't think. Yes, the Clippers could drop

(01:17:35):
out of the playoffs. We'll see if the Spurs, they've
been so consistent. We still haven't heard from monitor nobly
whether he's coming back. We think that that Tony Parker,
he says he wants to come back, but saying you
want to come back and coming back when you have
that type of debilitating lang injury late in your thirties,
that that makes it more and more unlikely. So there'll
be some opportunities, some opportunities to uh to get there. Hm.

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But a fascinating day. I mean, he was the signature Clipper.
I wouldn't call McCaw I don't like the idea that
he's a quitter. I just you know, he's gonna lose
a little bit of money. He's gonna go to a
different city, a different team, and try and win more games.
Like that's just changing jobs. Platquy, don't be fanboy. Let's
see what calling Coward had to say about those Houston Rockets.

(01:18:24):
Darryl Morey, he's a little bit of the opposite of
Danny Ainge. He ain't in the draft picks. He wants stars.
He is aggressive. Look around the NBA right now at
the best teams. They have been the aggressive teams, not
the patient teams. The Golden State Warriors already won a title.
The Warriors said let's be aggressive and get another player.

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They win another title. Houston saying we're a playoff team.
We're not in the draft picks. What Boston's doing is
an outdated model. I'm not saying you don't pick Lonzo Ball,
but you have to a aggressively pursue stars. Wait, isn't
Boston aggressively pursuing stars, Colin, Aren't they aggressively pursuing Gordon

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Hayward and aggressively pursuing Paul George and potentially aggressively pursuing
Blake Griffin. So yeah, I don't you know. You also
have to remember where each franchise was when each general
manager took over. I think that he's done a great
job in Houston of building teams that have won some
regular season games. But if we want to act like

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he's built a championship hip team, they have not these,
haven't you know? And they beat the They beat the
Clippers to go to the Western Conference Finals a couple
of years ago, but they only did so because Chris
Paul actually got hurt. So I think he's a very
aggressive um general manager, but I'm not I don't necessarily

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think that he values basketball people enough to ask the question, Hey,
is doesn't Chris Paul need the ball a ton in
order to make plays? And isn't that how James Harton
plays like, Oh, you gotta come and play for Mike D'Antoni.
It's the best system anywhere, it probably is. The only
problem with that system is it's really good for one

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point guard. Now you essentially have to have two. Metal
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I don't know. I didn't think Phil would work. I
didn't think Phil was a locked up since to be good.
Do you guys think he would definitely be good as president?
I didn't. And one of the reasons I didn't is
because Phil is a little bit of loof. He's a

(01:20:33):
little bit of a loaner. He's kind of got his
own guys in the NBA, and none of them have
really been you know, Brian Shaw hasn't been successful, and
so I felt like Phil Jackson is the type of
guy that would be sitting in his rocket chair reading
a book, drawing up plays every night, and like that
would be kind of his thing when he's a head

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coach or a general manager and none of that's working well.
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I'm in. I can't wait to see how the world
views Chris Paul's move. Like I view it as kind

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of brave, kind of bold, right, Like he was like, M,
this isn't working for me, This isn't working for me.
So many of us, um, we we don't. We don't
do that in life. We won't do that with our
own jobs. We won't do that with our own relationships.
I tell this to people all the time with um,

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you know, once you've been in a relationship for six
months and or a year or so, you know, you
ask a guy like, oh, is she the one? And
he goes, I don't know. Well, then you do know generally,
and um, you know that she's not the one, but uh,
you're probably just too lazy to cut her, right because

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the cutter Then you gotta go find another one, and
then you got to go to the whole process all
over again, and you know, tell them all the same
stories again about your background and go then the awkward
first meeting with the parents or sometimes the stepparents in
this case, and you're like, it's just too much. And
then what if you had that one? You don't know
either or you don't really not really feeling either, like

(01:22:22):
I kind of, you know, burden the hand too in
the bush. We're good. I wish it was another way.
I wish so many of us were in relationships because
there significant other just adores them, and some of us are,
but there's a good portion of us that are in
relationships with people are just like, it's just too much hassle.

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They're fine, every fine, I've accepted their flaws. They're fine.
That's no different than Chris Paul, Isn't it Like Chris
Paul was gonna was set to sign a contract. Had
he stayed, they would have signed to a contract extension
with two five million dollars two h five million dollars,

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five years, two hundred five million dollars or two. It
was a two fifty. It was obscene money. Two million.
And so he retains those Larry Bird rights. And because
he opted into his contract, he'll be a free agent
next year, meaning we have Carmelo Anthony maintains his free

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agency next year. Lebron James does as well. Dwyane Wade's
contract expires to the bill with the Bulls. There is
that chance for the Banana boat crew to get together
yet again, or for the first time, not on a
banana boat, but get together and play basketball together. There's
something brave though about what Chris Paul did. Chris Paul

(01:23:48):
is sitting there and everybody's like, Wow, you know, he's
gonna they're gonna put a statue of Mount Frand he's
a signature player. He's art could be the greatest player
in Chris and Clippers history. He said, you know, what, guys,
I just this isn't working. I'll let you trade me.
I'll work on a one year deal. I'll keep my

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options open. And I just need I just need a change.
I just needed to change. I think it's like the
most relatable thing you can find in basketball, because how
many people do you know, they just go like I
just needed to change. I just people are in cold
weather states do it all the time, you know what.
I just I couldn't go and scrape my my windshield

(01:24:33):
and go to work again in the snow. I slipped
on the ice last year, and I told myself never again.
There are people that in big cities that are playing
that they're paying too much, Like, you know what, I
just I just want to teach and be laid back.
I'm gonna go to a college town, live outside, get
some land, have some dogs, kids, big jungle jim, and
be done with it. Right. So um, yeah, I just

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I don't I don't see it as sinister in any
way I see. I don't necessarily see it working. Like
I don't think that it's Chris you had, Like if
you added Chris Paul to the Spurs, that team has
a legitimate chance to win the whole thing. You add
him to the Houston Rockets, who had to trade away

(01:25:24):
kind of everything outside of their starters. They literally got
rid of everything, like everything must go like that that
that that that that that. I don't know. I I
think of it as brave, but I also don't think
it's necessarily smart. It's not always smart to get out
of relationship just into another one, like I just got

(01:25:46):
a relationship. It won't work long term, Like I don't
know what I means, you don't know. I don't know.
They already have a point guard, he's their dominant ball
hand there can you make them better? Like? Yeah, can
you have a coach? I can figured out? Sure, will
you be? And this is what I said about Kevin Durant.
Kevin Durant said he's the best version of himself with

(01:26:09):
the Golden State Warriors. Am I allowed to believe that
Chris Paul, who plays great defense, who wants the ball
in his hands, is going to defer to James Harden,
who doesn't play any defense, as I are you of everything, guy,
We led to believe that Chris probably the best version
of himself. I don't think so, so I I can

(01:26:34):
reward it and say it's bro or I can commend
it and say it's brave. I have no problem with that. None.
He's really really brave of him to walk away from
being the greatest l a clipper in history. And you
can laugh about me. I sailed out. You'd rather have
the best trailer in trailer park than have a mediocre
trailer in trailer park? Didn't? When did you? Music? Do

(01:26:58):
you know that I'm in a couple hall of fames?
You aware of this? Yeah? Romos? Do you know this
that I'm on them? In a couple of hall of him?
I do not know you're in a couple of hall
of fames? That can I guess one of them? Sure? This? Uh?
College basketball like hall of fame? No? Not like Okay, sorry,
I would love to be. I don't think I was
that good. Um. I am in the Southern California Jewish

(01:27:21):
Sports Hall of Fame and the Orange County Jewish Sports
Hall of Fame. There you there, you go. It's good.
And when I was, and it was, and when I
was inducted into Southern California Jewish Sports Hall of Fame,
I was a little bit shy about it, right, Like
I wasn't that into it at the time first and
I had to plaque and I gave a speech. It
was very nice night, and we go to uh we

(01:27:42):
go to a restaurant in West l A. And I
end up meeting up with a couple of my buddies
who happened to be in town. They're like, what are
you doing in town? Why? A y'all dressed up in
a suit, said well, I'm in town. I got an award.
What a word did you get? Said, well, I'm in
this song California Jewish Fort Hall of Fame. They're like,
what's speak up? We can hear I'm in the southern
in California Jewish Sports Hall of Fame. You know what

(01:28:03):
they said? They said that is so cool, And I
was like, yeah, stop your patronizing me, Like no, no no, no,
that's cool. So a buddy of mine went around the
bar and asked everybody in the bar if any of
them we're in a in a hall of fame of
any kind, and none of them were. And the idea

(01:28:24):
is that like, hey, I'm not in like the college
Basketball Hall of Fame and the NA Smith Hall of Fame,
but simply being in any being in one that's an
incredible honor Chris Paul. He'll probably be a NA Smith
Hall of Famer, but for the Clippers, he is there guy.
And while music, I I've never liked the idea of

(01:28:46):
whose whose team is? It does it doesn't have to
be anybody's team like Roles just kind of end up
getting a sign. It gets to be super super easy.
But you know what, what's interesting to me is that
he was in a big pond. He was a big
fish because he was the big fish in the smaller

(01:29:08):
of the two big ponds with the Clippers as the
boats the Lakers. He was synonymous with Clippers basketball. So
there's some stupidity or maybe some immaturity or a lack
of maybe foresight, because I don't think he put himself
on a championship team as of now. I could be
wrong if they had the right piece. But there is
also a certain balance to Chris Paul to where he

(01:29:30):
wasn't simply chasing that two five million dollar check which
could come next year or could not. He gets he
gets hurt this year, he's not that good this year.
Who's going to give him two hundred five million dollars
for when he's thirty five thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight,
not very may do you think that the reaction to
Chris Paul going to the Rockets won't be as harsh

(01:29:52):
because as what Kevin Durant got because the Rockets weren't
actually in the finals and they hadn't already won a title.
Or is it because as Chris Paul isn't quite on
the same level as like Kevin Durant being like the
second or first best player in the league. I think um,
I think it's because the Rockets petered out in the
playoffs and they're the Rockets right instead of the Warriors

(01:30:15):
who won seventy three games that were up three games
to one. I think it's that, Um. I think it's
that Chris Paul has never been the m v P
of the league, even though Kevin and Kevin Durant has.
He hasn't led the league in scoring. So I think
there's a couple of factors. But the biggest factor is
he's also leaving the Clippers, who are not synonymous with

(01:30:35):
winning um who weren't in the Western Conference part. So
it had to do more with the actual story of
Durant and Durant had been the m v p what's
the story with Metal World Peace Ryan. The story right
now is that his phone is off, so we are
we're trying to get ahold of them. That's the story, alright.

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So apparently Dan Gilbert nearly traded for Chris Paul actually
nearly traded for Paul George and Eric Bledsoe as well.
Um Dan Gilbert wanted to trade for Paul George and
Eric Bledsoe if he had gotten assurance from Lebron James

(01:32:56):
that Lebron would in fact stay. Would he actually stay
in in Cleveland next year? Lebron? Uh? Wou would you say? Scoffed?
Is that the word People don't don't scoff on a
on a daily basis. But apparently Lebron scoffed at the
idea of guaranteeing him he would stay, So it almost happened.

(01:33:19):
They almost dealt away. Kyrie Irving, which just sounds so
foolish for Eric bled so I don't see it. What
am I missing that? What am I missing that? Dan
Gilbert sees in Eric bledsoe as in compared to Kyrie Irving.
Is he a better defensive player? Sure, he's not nearly
as good a shooter, and he's had some injuries to

(01:33:42):
that knee. Although he was a freak athlete and still
probably as a freak athlete. I don't love it, don't
love it at all. He's funny in Cleveland. I got
a chance to hang out with David Blatt yesterday. Uh
talked to him a little bit. I offered to write
the book. He's like, what book? I was like, the
book about you coaching in Cleveland? He laughed, and then

(01:34:02):
we um, so I'm coaching the Maccabi Games team. It's
like the Jewish Olympics. We don't have all of the
very best Jewish American players, and some really good with
t J. Leaf obviously first round draft pick t J. Klein,
who's a ten Player of the Year, neither of them
made the trip, Spencer Whites, who's the IVY League Player
of the years. So there's some good Jewish players they
did not because they're gonna play in summer league state side,

(01:34:26):
they didn't make the trip. We have a nice little team.
We've been together four days. So we played the twenty
and under national team of the Israelis in a friendly.
Got whooped, and I would say probably the most skilled
player on the court I don't be calling best player
of the court was actually David Black's son Tamir, who
plays um professionally at I think he's twenty years old,

(01:34:49):
now plays professionally twenty years old in Israel. So really
really talented kids. Not a great at could use like
way training in the States to give him some bound
and give him a little better first step. But man
makes every right decision, tremendous pass or a tremendous shooter.
What were you saying, music, Well, I was gonna say.

(01:35:11):
On the Cleveland Cavaliers trade front, do you think that
they were trying to get rid of Kyrie for Paul
George because they think Paul George can match up and
sort of negate Kevin Durant and they weren't as concerned
with their point guard matchup. Thinking that okay, bled soul,
it is not that much of a downgrade from Kyrie,

(01:35:32):
whereas Paul George significantly upgrades us at what our worst
matchup was going up against the Warriors. Wait wait, hell,
give me that again, Kyra. I wasn't following and give
me one more time. Okay, So if you're the Cavaliers,
you're not worried about giving up Kyrie because he may

(01:35:53):
be better than Eric Bledsoe. But it's the fact that
Paul George is so much greater than what their previous
option was in like Richard Jefferson and on the defensive
matchup for Kevin Durant, because that's what killed them in
that series. Part of this deal is, remember it does
not trade away Kevin Love. Right as I read the deal,

(01:36:16):
it was before the draft, Kyrie Irving and something like
channing frid to Phoenix for Eric Bledsoe and the fourth pick.
They would have shipped the fourth pick to Indie for
Paul George. This is Vince um Gore. Was it groor
gek or something like that? Orgic? Yeah, I think I

(01:36:40):
believe that's it. Is that what we're going with. That's
what we're gonna call it. He's the editor in chief
of the Cleveland Scene, right, so um so he said
that's the story that he heard, and they didn't. They
didn't get the trade done because Dan Gilbert was like,
on my not gonna make this trade and then lose here,

(01:37:03):
but he might lose everybody next year. So does this
lead you believe that Lebron is not coming back? I
thought the most interesting part is that now maybe New
York becomes a possible destination. It's possible. James Dolan is
not beloved, but let's see who they hire. You know,
they're going after Toronto's missile Jerry, who of course came

(01:37:26):
over probably a decade ago, was a wildly decorated success
in Europe and now has done nice things with the
Toronto Raptors. I think if it's just somebody who can
find a way to collect some good young talent. If
you have Prozinga's, you got Carmelo, he wants to stay.
You could get Dwayne Wade at minimal money. Could you

(01:37:49):
find a way to get Lebron? It's not it's not crazy.
Is it likely? Well, it's more likely now than it
was before they fired Phil Jackson. I think we'd all
agree with that, but I don't think anybody would say
it's likely. Um, yeah, Paul George does make you better,

(01:38:09):
but I don't know if he makes you better at yes,
at so who are you replacing? You replacing? And I
guess you would bring j R. Smith off the bench.
I don't know. That deal didn't get done, so it
doesn't matter like talking about deals that they're there, timeline
has passed as if they're you know what I mean

(01:38:30):
that that's like, you know, hypothetical deals, those are the best,
right And it's also and like, look, I'm sure Vince
does a really good job of covering Cleveland and he's
got some really good sources. But trades can be so fishy,
you know, like, wow, why didn't they make that trade?
Why did Indie make that trade? What is Indie holding
on for? Um? I would say Indie, INDI's holding on

(01:38:52):
for a player and a pick more than just a pick.
But the point is that if it really got close
to happening, wouldn't wouldn't that have gotten now before? Or
is it not getting out because everybody thinks Lebron James
is in fact leaving. I don't know. It's the switching
teams is fascinating because um, it's it's supposedly anti sports,

(01:39:16):
but guys have been doing it in basketball and AU
teams and high school teams and Franklyn College teams for
years and and in all all candor, if you look
at the NBA, there have been lots of players that
have switched teams. Star players, for the most part didn't.
Larry Bird didn't. Match Johnson didn't obviously retired early. Michael
Jordan's didn't. After your retire he went back and did

(01:39:38):
in fact play for the Wizards, but that was after
two years off. I believe Creem abdul Jabbar did one
out of Milwaukee. Well, Chamberlain did. He wanted out of Philadelphia,
but uh, Jerry Rush didn't. When you look around some
of the Tony Tim Duncan didn't Tim Duncan, Tony Parker,

(01:39:58):
the sany Antonio Spurs that won all those championships, they didn't.
And so it does feel like the AU high school
mentality of you know, I don't like it here, I'm
gonna switch teams. I think it's different with Chris Paul
because he was a signature player and he's turning down
money and he's got there's there's so much risk in
what he's doing. But it was kind of obvious to

(01:40:19):
everybody that it just wasn't working. Yeah, I'm almost of
the mindset, almost of the mindset that, um, that Chris
Paul kind of was one of those did everybody a favor?
Like I don't really we don't really want to give

(01:40:40):
Chris Paul the two five million dollars because he would
have forever been Um, what's the what's the word I'm
looking for? Ramos where you're people are always they're not mad,
they're more jealous and envious of you, like he would
have been. He's like thirty two sort of five year contract.
You have been thirty six thirty seven in the last

(01:41:04):
two years of that deal. What's it called when when
people like hold some something what you make at your age, whatever,
a little bit against you. It's the word I'm looking for.
A grudge. There's a different word. They would do your
I mean, but it's not really a grudge. It's like, um, oh,

(01:41:27):
I'm thinking there's a there's a word. I'm thinking it
would come to me it is showing disdain. But that's
not what again what I'm talking about. It's um they
would have uh, I mean, they would have held it
against him a little bit. They would have. Um, I've
been envious of him. Um it almost there's jealousy to it.

(01:41:52):
There's another word. I'll think of the word. But it's
almost like he did them a favor. Like I've said
this before. The St. Louis Cardinals, the greatest thing ever
was they offered our pools really a six year deal
that he could take three one year extensions on him,
could make it nine years. And it was like, I
don't know, like I'm gonna say like a hundred and
eighty five million or something like that. It was a

(01:42:13):
ton of money. And then the the Miami Marlins came in,
and it might even be in the twos. The Marlins
came in and offered him over three hundred million, and
the Angels offered him three hundred million over ten years,
plus a service contract after he's done, so you can
be a spokesman for the Angels and make like a
million dollars because you know, once you made three d
million dollars, you need another million after you've done playing.

(01:42:37):
And it's one of those things where it kind of
helps St. Louis out there, like, hey, we offered you
money and you didn't want it, and we end up
being okay, and that's kind of where the Clippers will be,
although I do think in the short term there is
a massive drop off and there's a ton of issues
that they have gone with it. I still can't think
of that word. Does buyer know the word? Just trying

(01:42:59):
to think what it is. It's like when it's there's
maybe the source for when the people hold things against
He's not jealous or envious. You guys hit all those words.
One of the words I'm thinking of that I can't
that he would be Why are you have any idea?
I thought John was close with Grudge. Yeah. I don't

(01:43:22):
want to say they hold o the old guy. Yeah,
he's making like thirty five forty million a year. He's
just Chris Paul, Oh hey, Chris, how are you doing right?
It's like one of those things like did he really
have to take too not to fat? There's the animosity.

(01:43:42):
There would be animosity towards him. Again, it wasn't the
world I was looking for, but all these there's animosity
towards the fact that he would late in his career
be being way overpaid for his actual level of skill,
actual level skill. So this may help him. They got
a ton of players in return, I'm not sure how
many of them are actually good. We'll see lou Williams

(01:44:02):
good coming out the bench. Patrick Beverley I think better
coming out the bench, and as of now. As of now, um,
the same player who many people thought ultimately built fissures
in the Clippers, the son of the head coach is

(01:44:24):
probably their starting point guard day one possibly. Al Right, first,
let's find out what let's we'll get to the press
five things. Man, we we got like six or seven
all the things you've missed from the rest of the
world of sports. After we find out what's trending. Mm
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(01:44:51):
No no, no, nemu. There have been other things I've
been told going on in the world of sports. Right
it just feels like the NBA is so much bigger.
I thought that David Irving story is is a big one.
Um is that one in the press music? I like,
I try to not not not tip my hand at
the press. The David Irving story is big big. He

(01:45:15):
was like he's like the all time. He's a he
was a feel good story, a guy who got in
trouble at Iowa stayed ultimately had to leave. And then
I mean it's a freak of nature. As uh. He
had all those sacks and knockdowns with the Dallas Cowboys.
Now he's spending first four games. Yeah, we'll get to
it after the press. That's an interesting one. Some baseball

(01:45:37):
and stuff. I want to get to Dodgers Angels, Romo's
you and uh you and music going to the Dodgers
Ange we should go together. I agree with you. We haven't,
but we should. Why haven't you? Ah? You know, family stuff.
Dodgers one eight out of eleven, Dodge playing some good ball? Now,

(01:46:00):
good good ball. All right, let's get to the break
the press. Mm hmmmm, got we got a bunch of stuff,
you know, Doug. It's always a game to find out
what may strike your intrigue. David Irving didn't make it,
but the Cowboys defensive end was suspended four games for

(01:46:22):
violating the NFL policy and performance and vancing drugs. Not
the only one to get a band today. Carlos Williams,
the free agent running backs, has spended a year by
the NFL. But David Irving was was me super fat
coming into camp with the Bills, right, yeah, then he
when he when he played, he was really good and
for the short stint that he had and things just

(01:46:43):
haven't worked out since now a free agent, and the
David Iring story to me strikes me as the big
It's like, we don't freak out at all about NFL
players using p d s, do we? And we should?
I mean, maybe it's because David Iring looks like I mean,
he's like six ft seven, super super lean, but he

(01:47:04):
had five tackles for a loss. Remember he only started
two games last season, finished with four sacks um, but
he had I mean, he's just he's just kind of
a monster over there. I mean he's huge, six ft seven,
like two thirty pounds see me, two hundred and two
and seventy three pounds six ft seven coming off you know,

(01:47:27):
a tremendous season for a relatively unknown guy. And remember
he was filling in because Randy Gregory was suspended also
violating the league's drug policy. So that's a devastating one.
But the Carlos Williams thing that one kind of fits.
The comes in super fat all of a sudden, he
gets back into shape really quickly, blows up for the

(01:47:47):
short time he's in there like, yeah, he starts to
me as a guy that probably did something to get
back on the field. Let's stick with the NFL, where
former running back Clinton Porters told that Side dot com
he was so mad about losing millions in bad investments
that he considered murdering one of the men that caused
him to become bankrupt. In fact, Portis said that he
sat outside of there set in a car outside of

(01:48:08):
the guy's office one night in two thousand three, but
a friend, close friend talked him out of doing anything
really stupid. But Clinton Portis says that he was on
the verge of murder. Mhm, you know what I mean,
Like I do. I think there's if something happened to
your kids, I think you could see yourself in in
that that that space mentally. And you know, if you

(01:48:32):
made forty three point one million dollars over nine years,
that was when and all of a sudden, somebody tells
you that you're broke, and you're like, wait a second.
I invested. I was told everybody always told me when
you get your money invested. I invested smartly, and now
the money has gone. I'm not saying I blame it.
I can't say I blame him fulfilling that way. And

(01:48:53):
I'm glad who and whoever his friend is is a
really good friend. But it's is it crazy for me
to say that I can't. I'm glad he didn't pull
the trigger, but this is like, uh was Chris Rock
and the o J thing? Yes, he shouldn't have killed it,
but I had a stand. How about this or the
NFL Panthers? Why does seever? Steve Smith Sr. Told The

(01:49:14):
Rich Eyes and Show on Fox Sports Radio, he doesn't
see quote retiring as a Panther as being something on
his radar. Of course, retired from the NFL now and
maybe still some bad feelings from when he left Carolina. Yep,
bad feelings. They lent the Super Bowl without him, all
though you know, um, there was that, there was there
was there was that, there was that, but then they

(01:49:36):
missed him. Then they missed him. Uh this year, especially
as Kelvin mentioned, was fat he It was just it's
a weird thing. I don't like those one year deals anyway,
or one day deals anyway. Like I think that's lame.
Like you left, Why do you have to come back
and retire as a certain like we remember if you
were really good, we remember you on that team. Agreed,

(01:49:57):
But he was always you know, he had that nasty
fight in camp. He had some issues. He was a
very good in Cam. You know, maybe didn't get along
as he was the one who said Cam is not
good in the red zone or reading defenses, and um,
I think I think there's a lot of accuracy to that.
But I do think at some point bygones are bygones
and he'll come back home. How about this for teammates.

(01:50:19):
Cubs catcher Miguel Montero designated for assignment less than twenty
four hours after criticizing pitcher Jake Arietta after last night's game.
That still seven bases. This was Montero's response after the game.
He really sucked because you know, like the stolen basis
go to me when you really look at it. The
pitchure doesn't need me anytime. So he's was like, yeah,
okay me, he can throw him out. Yeah, but my

(01:50:40):
bitches don't hold anybody own. So I mean that's that's
the reason why they were running left and right today
because you know, he was a slow to the place
imposed that it's a shame that you know, like He's
my fault because I didn't to anybody out he say
my do you say my pictures or did you say
my bitches? Which did you say? I couldn't like that
here wasn't it was, it was my pictures. I just

(01:51:04):
want to make sure. I just want to make sure
you like you never know, right it we might have
been like, hey, my my bitches didn't get the home
play quick enough, right, Okay, Well maybe I didn't know
you had it like that, Miguel. And there's something off
about there's something off about the Cubs r We can
all agree with that, like when and Montero has done
that before he got into it, Terry Frank Coiner over
how he's used last offseason. Um, you know, Kyle Schwarber

(01:51:28):
has forgotten how to swing a baseball bat. There's a
little bit of disease of me with these guys. You know,
Chris Bryan's hitting two fifty nine, Anthony Rizzo to Kyle
sh Warber one, Addison Russell to thirty on base thirty
percent of the time. That there's something off with the Cubs. Now.

(01:51:48):
I still think they make the one of the playing
game playoffs, but it's not a lock. Well, that the
Rockies could help him out. Rockies are starting to fall off,
but they're closer to the vision right now than anything.
I will say this in the NBA Warriors guards Steph
Curry maybe going after my own heart. He's accepted an
invitation to play in the elim A Classic on the

(01:52:09):
web dot Com Tour in early August. Yes, Steph Curry
getta getting a crack at professional golf. He'll play as
an amateur in the event that takes place in Hayward, California,
with Steph Curry gonna hit the links for real, Doug
coming up very good. He's supposed to be a very
very good golfer, very good golfer um. And then you
know you saw the shirt off Picks in Hawaii with

(01:52:31):
his family dudes all ripped up. And Hayward, California. It's
not close. It's close to Oakland, so I'm sure he's
getting sponsored up by all the Silicon Valley guys. Dan,
how good your golf game? I'm not that good. I
just really like to play. Yeah, I'm like a four handicap,
but but I like to play as much as if

(01:52:52):
you if you go in to fourteen v the handicap.
You go out and play play the ball down on
a Saturday at the municipal course here in Greater Los
Angeles area. What are you? Yeah? If I could, if
I if I could break ninety, it's a good day.
You know, shooting a eight or and eighty seven will
make me happy. So I can agree. I can get
you down below. Okay, alright, I've been there. It's just

(01:53:15):
not consistent, just not consistent. Working on the game on
the amount of Hawks by the way, or working on
a renovating Philips Arena. Darren or Vel tweeted out They're
going to unveil a new courtside bar in the renovated
Philips Arena. The bar will be actually directly behind one
of the baskets, so while you are shooting free throws,

(01:53:35):
you can actually look into the bar that will be
the hawks new renovated home. I kind of like that.
You know, they've always had these um they've always had
these bars that are like an inner and anytime you
go into an NBA arena, if you're a courtside or
you're down in the low level, you walk into the back,
there's a bar inside the arena. Players hang their money,

(01:53:58):
people afterwards. It's it's a copy of the Forum club
that the Lakers used to have, but this is the
first one I believe that's open air out to the
actual arena that surpressed. Huh. I don't know what what
is that? John? What? I didn't know what that is,
but that's that's a John and Ryan thing. Did he

(01:54:21):
say my pitches pictures or did he say something else?
He really because you know, like the stolen basis go
to me, and when you really look at it, the
pitchure doesn't need me anytime. So he's just like, yeah,
okay me he can throw him out. Yeah, but my
pitches don't hold anybody. And he said, my bitches don't
hold anybody out. That's why I got sent down. It

(01:54:42):
wasn't because he was calling out Jake Ariett. It was
because he called him a bunch of bitches. That happens. Also,
everybody's tweeting in on your word resentment, resentful. Okay, that
was it, alright, envous Caddy were other other ones he
would be. He would be resented. You know, when you're
like thirty six years old and you could have taken
less and you could have stayed. You don't have like,

(01:55:04):
can you make two million? You can, but you could
also just take a hundred million dollars. Like a hundred
million dollars, there still a lot of money. You don't
have to move, and then you get the team you
want around you instead of you take every last penny
and you stay, and then you're like over the hill
of the last year your contract. Everybody ends up presenting you.
That's right with Kobe Bryant. Those guys resented and part

(01:55:26):
of it was Kobe's persona. But but you know CP
three has a little bit of that persona. The Big
three took my advice. What is it and why it
will work? Next on The Doug Gotlip Show Doug Got
Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmmm mmm mmm mm

(01:55:54):
hm m m m m m hmm. Coming to you
live from Tel Aviv, Israel. Is this this has to
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Is this as this ever romo is how many years
you've been in the company, since oh nine? Since oh nine?
As what's the what's the weirdest location anybody has ever

(01:56:15):
broadcast from? And he shows that I've ever done this?
Is it? I mean the farthest I think was you know,
maybe New York from here from l A. That is.
I think we did remote from Hawaii. I don't remember
anything farther than that that I can remember being on
the boarder for. Yeah, I mean i'd like this listen.
I had one friend, Tiki Barber did a did did
one day from Jerusalem. He ran the Jerusalem Marathon. That

(01:56:37):
was kind of he tipped us off to talk to
some people. Whatever didn't end up working out. But yeah,
we're doing the shows. Will be in Tel Aviv all
of this week. We start touring. I'll go tour Jerusalem
the Old City tomorrow. Uh, we go to the Dead Sea,
we go to Massada, we go you know, we go
all over then back here with you. It's nighttime my time.
It's creeping up on one in the morning. Um, but

(01:57:00):
this has been This is gonna be incredible. A chance
to share some of these stories and the things that
we I see with you guys. And I'll obviously put
them up on Facebook and Instagram and on the on
the show Facebook page. And I think I would guess ahead.
I think what's great for you is that it's like
the end of your day, Like you know, this is
this is the end of your day, so everything's kind
of wrapping up for you where it's the rest of us.

(01:57:21):
It's kind of like the beginning of the day. Kind
of no, no, yeah, it is. And it also makes
it easier, like I have this entire kind of studio,
little TV studio, kind of complex to myself. And uh,
they actually this is funny. They have their own like
they have Uber here, but they also have an app
called get Taxi. Like that's actually what's called get Taxi um.

(01:57:44):
And so you press get Taxi and you get Uber.
You can kind of the best way to call it
is like Uber lift whatever back to wherever you're going. Uh.
And and what's interesting is, you know I'm around these
are like Jewish athletes. There's also junior athletes as well.
There's you know, anything from like fifteen sixteen year old
kids up to like and their seniors and and plus

(01:58:06):
thirty five, plus forty five as well. And you know,
you're not here unless you're a sports fan. And so
when Chris Paul leaving Houston, there's so many people from
l A as well as New York. Chris and with
the Phil Jackson News, this is a big day, like
everyone is reacting to it in Israel. It really shows
even the Israelis the power of the NBA. This is

(01:58:27):
a big basketball country, even if it's a small country.
But kind of fascinating. I shall share my thoughts on
the Old City that I'll go see tomorrow. Tomorrow on
the show How We're Back from Bleach, Report will join us.
I'm interested to see where jj Reddick goes. I'd be
fascinating to see where jj Reddick ends up playing, because
he's not going to return with the l A Clippers

(01:58:49):
as they've begun the purge. If you will, do you
guys see the Big Three took my advice my um
music you you Big God is my witness. I didn't
talk about the downside to the Big Three before the
before it went on. I mean, for the obvious reasons
that it's a Fox Sports property. Amy Trask is a friend,

(01:59:14):
and I'm I'm just I'm kind of intrigued by it.
But Ryan, and do you tell me if I'm wrong.
But I thought that the games were going to be
a little bit too long, and my my fear was injury.
I didn't I like the format. I like the idea
of kind of theater theater in the round, the four
point shot, like I I like it, and I like
the you know, hand checking and trash talking. It's it's

(01:59:34):
summer basketball. It's a reason to go and watch something
kind of different. But those are my two big fears.
Is that Is that an accurate depiction of my feelings
before began? That's correct. You said that one of the
biggest concerns you had was the idea that they were
playing to a specific point total and not based off

(01:59:55):
of time. Yeah, because you start missing shots and like,
oh my god, we're never gonna get to sixty. So
I think, right, You're like, oh god, and then you're
you're sitting there and stand. You know that all the
teams play on one day, they have a week off
in between, they all play, and it just gets backed
up and like, ah, one team couldn't score, so they're
changing it to the first one to fifty. Correct, that's correct? Yeah,

(02:00:19):
it's According to Brian Mahoney of the Associated Press, they've
lowered it from sixty by ten points down to fifty.
Is Brian Mahoney of the Associated Press? Is he the
Adrian war Danowski of the Big Three? Like? Is he?
If there's a big trader. Mahoney, gonna get that. Yeah,
you see what you see Now, Wog has a couple
more days before he joins the worldwide leader. That's gonna

(02:00:40):
be weird, right, that's Compton Magic together. Somebody needs to
go back through his I wonder if Wog is going
to go back through his Twitter account because he's in
ESPN several times when when his he broke stories and
it went, it went on their bottom line as sources.
So I don't mind. I don't mind. I mean, look, Democrats,

(02:01:02):
Republicans were all capitalists, and who's gonna get to do
his do his thing. He's always been good to us.
We'll see if he still gets to come on. But
I think the Clippers are dead in the water. They're
gonna have to hit. Somebody's gonna have to walk past
the Xbox and plus restart. I think the Rockets are interesting,
but I'm not sure they're that much better. But more
than anything, hurts the Spurs, hurts the Clippers helps house.

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