The NFL Needs To Expand Replay Review & Michael Lee

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Welcome in to the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's not only us.
John Ramos is hanging out. Ryan Music is here is
ising Glowing Chrown at the update desk. Glad to have
you with us as we have our first Friday without football.
I guess the Pro bowls playing it. But it's a
different feel as we get set for Super Bowl fifty three,
because there really isn't a game that we're looking forward
to or a matchup that we're looking forward to on
this weekend. You get that different feel Friday today. Mr

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Aaron Torres, Yeah, first of all, I was gonna say,
are we sure the Pro Bowl is actual football? I
actually thought the Pro Bowl was on at night. It
is now on in the afternoon, like I thought, all right,
seven o'clock East your time, watched the Pro Bowl in Orlando,
and then all of a sudden, I see how the
score thing. It's like, oh, noon Pacific time, three o'clock
Eastern time start for the Pro Bowl, so on Sunday. Wow.

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See I didn't know that? Yeah? Did I? Are they
still doing the rotation between Hawaii and filling the blank
American city? It's it's been Orlando for a little while,
and so it's in Orlando again now. I don't know
if Hawaii is going to get the Pro Bowl again,
for the simple fact of the Rams are gonna be
playing a preseason game in Hawaii next year, and that

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may be the route that the NFL takes to get
a game in Hawaii, maybe trying to expand the Rams
fan base to the Hawaiian Island so that can be
an option. I just have to say, I am so
happy that Sean McVeigh finally caught a break in his life.
That poor guy that if anyone needs a trip to Hawaii,
it's that poor guy just turned thirty three going to
the Super Bowl. I hate to say it, Hollywood good looks,

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but yeah, he he was due for a break, that
guy now thirty three years old. In a day after
his birthday. Yeah, today, one of the rams got some
bad news today, But in the overall big picture of things,
it's really good news. The cal Robie Coleman find more
than twenty six thousand dollars or has hit on Tommy
Lee Lewis of the Saints on the play that did
not result in a pass interference call and also did

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not result in a helmet helmet hit, which is the
reason that Robie Coleman got to find today. And this
fine said a lot to me, Aaron. It's said a
lot from the get go, and it's said a lot
from the National Football League. And and first things first
of saying a lot and not saying much at all,
the Saints need to get over the pass interference call.
It's we don't need to hear from Roger Goodell. I

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don't need to hear the commissioner send out an empty
statement on a Monday or a Tuesday. And if he
sends one out now, it's way too long to even
send out a statement. Mights will not even do it.
Wait till you meet the media next week and you
can address it there and move on. But the Saints
need to get over this. The lawsuits, the the calling
out Commissioner Goodell, like Ben Watson did yesterday, the billboards

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that are going to be in Atlanta. I think it's
it's it's never going to get better, but you just
have to move on, and I think it's about time
that the Saints fans do that. Well. Today's decision to
find Nickel Roby Coleman probably won't help that cause one bit.
But I do agree with you, by the way, and
all of the reasons why I have been talked about

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at nauseum. You're up thirteen nothing. You kicked two field
goals in the first two possessions when you can get
some points. All the missed calls on the Rams behalf
Jared Gofface mask. So yeah, and and not only that,
nothing's gonna change. They're not going to decide on Tuesday.
You know what, Rams and Saints. You're playing this again.
No lawsuit is gonna make the Saints feel better while

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watching the Rams play in the Super Bowl coming up
a week from Sunday. None of that. So none of
it is going to matter. So you might also just
get over it and move on because nothing is going
to change to make you feel any better. But what
I do think today's fine for Robie Coleman did was
it showed us that the NFL needs replay on pass interference,

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and the NFL needs replay for this simple reason. What
today's penalty did, or what today's fine for Robie Coleman did,
was it showed that the referees in question, or the
officials in question then of the guts, did not have
the wherewithal to not have the cojoness, as you could say,

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to throw a flag with a minute left in a
conference championship game, with a super Bowl on the line,
and with the NFL coming out and finding the Rams
defender Nickel Robie Colbyn for that hit, showed that the referee,
whether you missed the pass interference call Aaron or not,
and maybe you were at a spot you could not
have missed the helmets helmet hit. And what today shows

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is that if you are in NFL official, you want
that safety net of replay. And that's what I think
we've got from today's conclusion that a referee is more
likely to be willing to make a call in a
clutch situation or a very decisive moment in the game
instead of just saying for all the moments that you

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rattled off of getting a stop on the final drive,
or of getting not throwing an interception and not having
Drew Brees to be hitting overtime, all of those things
we're probably reasons why the ref didn't throw it, saying, hey,
the Saints will have enough opportunities to do this. This
show today that if you give the safety net of
a replay to an official, they are more likely to
not swallow the whistle and throw a flag on the play.

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And I think that is going to help usher in
a new era of replaying the National Football League. Yea.
And it's ironic that the pen or the fine was
for helmet to helmet because, as you and I were
kind of discussing a little before we came on air,
is in college football. The kind of the standard in
college football with helmet to helmet is, if you think
it's even questionable, just throw the flag and you can

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always pick it up. But we want to get these
hits out of the sport. And if you think there's
the possibility that one of these penalties has occurred, we
want to keep our players safe. Throw the flag. We
can always overturn it, we can always change the call,
whatever the case. May be, and so I think that
this is where the NFL needs to go. These are humans.
Humans make mistakes, and at the end of the day,

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we all just want a clean game. We all want
a game where there is no question at the end
whether a ref took a game from the players, etcetera.
And so to me, if you have to expand replay
so we get these calls, right, I have no problem
with it. And there were and you mentioned this being
in the college game, and that's not even what what
this play would be for the National Football League. What

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what it does is and maybe the National Football League
would want to do this thing. The NFL has put
a lot of stuff in two make it look like
they care about safe with one of the rules that
we've talked about a bunch on this show is just
the stupid helmet rule of why there's no more throwback
helmets of of teams that take the Buccaneers for example,
when they wear their white cream cycle helmets for so

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many years, well, now the NFL for the last five
or six years. He said, you can't have a throwback
game and wearing those helmets because we want you to
wear the same helmet throughout the sixteen games of the
season because you are less likely to have a concussion.
Studies has shown that's not really the case. Guy's break
helmets all the time to get new helmets during the year.
But the NFL wants this appearance of that. You could

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see a college type of rule come in if they
want to show how safe they are trying to make
the game. We saw it with the kickoff rule, and
now the onside kick has pretty much become extinct because
of these new rules to try to make the kickoff safe.
What today did with this fine is show that the
referee not only missed one, but missed two calls. And

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that's the bigger deal here, is to show that he
missed both calls. It's just that he swallowed the whistle.
And I think with the safety of replay, the safety
net of replay, I just go back to the Chief's
Patriots game. One of the controversial calls that you saw
in that game was the pont on Julian Edelman apparent
muff and the call on the field even though Julian

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Edelman made no effort to try to tackle the person
who had gotten the football, the call on the field
was turnover. Chiefs football, And you know what that did.
That allowed them to review that play, look it over
with no penalty to New England for having to use
the time out, or no penalty to Kansas City for
trying to see if there was a replay, just allowed

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them to take a look at it. In the end,
they overruled it, but the referees were willing to make
the decision on the field, And I think referees and
officials are now willing to call, are more willing to
call turnovers and touchdowns because they know there's an automatic replay.
And I think if the referee of the official in
question last Sunday had the safety net of that call

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or of of replay there, he would have made that call.
And the fine today is such a big deal for
the simple fact of yeah, you did miss the second call.
But it really goes back to the point of me
and replay of you could take a look at this,
You could use it in an NBA style, you could
use it in a college but replay and penalties is
something that the NFL has to incorporate in twenty nineteen,

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after the this play last weekend. Yeah, as you were
speaking right there, I thought about the word official, right,
This guy is an official. He's there to officiate. He's
not there too, He's just supposed to make sure everything
goes his plan, right, And if you're a good official,
you never know who they are. And so to me,
I think this plays into it. This guy, ironically, by

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not making this call, he doesn't want to become the
story rightly exactly, and and so he did what human
nature dictates. I think what most of us would do,
which is, I don't want to become part of this story.
I don't want to quote unquote cost the Rams a
shot at the super Bowl, which, ironically, instead a lot
of people in New Orleans will say, you cost us
the shot at the super Bowl. And so because of that,

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I'm with you. I just think that there. I just
think that at the end of the day, we as fans.
Everyone says, oh, we don't want to expand the game,
we don't want to make it longer, there's too many replays. No,
we want it to be right, we want to get
it right. We want the game to be contested fairly,
we want the result to be reflective of excuse me,
the right calls. And so I just think if you're

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adding one or two replays, maybe less, maybe sometimes more.
I think that's for the good of the sport. You
can see it in the n b A. You can
look at flagrant one follows, flagrant two follows. You saw
it last night, JaVale McGee popping Dario Saris in the
Lakers Timberwelves game review it it's a flagrant one. I
know that. I know. There's flow of the game. NFL
games are actually really well paced. Some are ending in

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most are ending at about three hours, the exact opposite
of college football, which drags on. But that's more about
a stoppage of the clock after a first down and
other stoppages that that you have in the game. The
NFL game flows pretty pretty well if you have a challenge,
which is something that I proposed to Doug earlier this week,
the ability to challenge a penalty in the with the

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coach's back pocket, you could figure out a way to
do final two minutes of a questionable penalty. You could
have them look either way to do it. To at
least have this safety net, I think you would see
referees more willing to make a call in that tough situation.
Flagrant foul, breakaway follows that you've got it was in
a clear path foul. Those are things that you can

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can determine with replay in pass interference. I think you
can also look at face masks. I think those are
things are obvious. I don't think holding is is a call.
I don't think I llegal contact. I don't think that
those sort of things. But blatant pass interference to me,
is the same as determining if it was a flagrant
one or a flagrant two. And that's something that the
NFL should look at. It's almost like the the NFL

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should go towards what the NBA has done to try
to figure out how the replay and replaying calls than
maybe more so in other places. But just today's ruling
to me, to show out, give the ref that safety net,
they're gonna have more guts to make a call it
in the game. Yeah, And because the alternative is I
missed the call, I cost a team. And again it's
human nature. Every you you don't think all that can

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kind of flaster your head in a split second like that.
But we all know what's at stake for ref if
they blow a call. And that's some scary stuff, right,
and so I also, look, when you talk about the NBA,
the other one that comes to mind is Major League Baseball.
And I'm not even a huge baseball guy, but like
ten years ago, the idea that you could challenge Safer
out at first base, Safer out on a stolen base attempt,

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it seemed preposterous. Now it still feels weird when a
when a manager challenges a play. But at the end
of the day, if they get it right, if the
if the ump just misses a stolen base or a
guy out at first or out at home, like, it's
better for the sport that you get it right, that
the game is contested on more fair grounds. And in

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this case it would have actually resulted and obviously probably
very much so, a different result. And it makes it
easier for the ref to, as you said, Dan, to
make the call in that moment. And the NFL doesn't
need Roger Goodell to speak because they spoke on it today. Fine,
there they said there was a missed call because there's
something that should have should have been penalty. He's getting
a fine for it. That's all that the NFL has

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to say about this. But today it shows the ref
aid is played because there's no way you can miss
both calls, and that's what happened on Sunday. He's aeron Torres,
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one more quick point. John Ramos mentioned this to me
earlier in the week on the local RAMS broadcast. It

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was noted that the referee looked like he was grabbing
his flag to throw a penalty and then decided not
to in that last minute. So some food for thought there.
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He's eron Torre as I'm Dan Buyer. We are in
for Doug today. Bobby Nachos tweeted in saying the idea
of calling a TV so it's replayed hurt the Browns
in week seventeen. Remember when Lamar Jackson dove over, they
called it a touchdown and then the play was immediately dead.
That like called dead at that point. That was that

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to me is more of a play being dead call
than than of trying to play. And we find this
too of of exact recovery or a clear recovery by
another team. I think that's where where maybe the rule
would have to shift. But the point being here is
Cleveland was did not get the touchdown. However, if I'm correct,

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they at least got the football. They at least got
on the dive because a fum was called until that
ended up being reviewed. Now, the immediate touchdown could have
also have been if they would have just let it
play out and there could have been a called fumble
on the field. I just have got the sense that
that more and more officials have that safety net of
they'll call it a touchdown or they'll call it a

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turnover because they feel that it will be reviewed no
matter what, and you're going to get the right call.
And the official in that Saints Rams game didn't have
that didn't have that luxury. And I just think this
is the social media era that we live in. It's
kind of random, but you think about just the idea
that everything is under a microscope, everything becomes a talking point. Now,
ironically this became a talking point because he didn't throw

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the flag. But if you throw the flag and it's
a wrong call, it's even worse. And so I don't
blame it. I just, first of all, I think it's
a thankless job. I don't care how much you get paid.
You could not pay me enough to be an NFL official,
NBA official, college official, major league gump. But I also
think that it's very much what you're saying is that
we live in a hypercritical world and if you blow

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that call, you'll never hear the end of it because
of it. I'm with you. I just think you've gotta
get more expansion, expansion of replay involved, because you've got
to take some of these burdens off of a human
to you know, human human activity leads to human judgment,
which leads to human error. To me, just expand this thing,
make it easier for everybody. He's here on Torres. I'm
Dan Buyer and joining us now. He's the host of

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the three and OL podcast on the Herd Radio Network.
Former NFL scout John Middlcoff joins us again here on
Fox Sports Radio. Hey John, how you doing? What's up? Guys?
How you doing? We are we are doing well in
the kel Robie Coleman. Fine today now yesterday Ben Watson
to the Saints, wanted to hear from the NFL, wanted
to hear from Roger Goodell? Did this fine? Say enough
for the National Football League from the play that happened

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Sunday in New Orleans? No, but what what are they
gonna do? Yeah? I mean it's over. I mean it's
just it's you know that old saying like stilled milk,
I mean, watering the bridge. Whatever it is, what it
is now, it has enormous financial implications. Whatever team is
able to get to the Super Bowl, the finances that
that team's gonna make up for merchandise to just playing

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in the super Bowl when it impacts the players, but
they're not going to replay the game, right I mean,
it is what it is. Uh. My issue has always
been this whole time with we spent so much time
on this play, and the play was wrong. I mean,
they should have thrown past interference. They should never have
been in that situation in the first place. They should
have ran the ball three straight times. And they probably are,

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you know, getting ready to go to Atlanta if they
had just milked the clock. Even if Jared Goff got
the ball back with fifty seconds, he didn't have any
time outs and they wouldn't have been able to get
in the field goal range. And I think we spend
so much time on this call rightfully, So I mean
it was a I mean, the controversy speaks for itself.
But Sean Payton's coaching in that situation, for a guy
that I think we all agree at the top four

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or five coach in the league, was just an abomination.
By the way, for all the complaints about overtime in
the Chiefs game, the Saints actually got the ball in overtime,
unlike exactly, But I mean, what what Margan you asked for?
Here's the other thing at the end of the day,
the best player in Saints history, their quarterback that's gonna
go to the Hall of Fame, did not play very
well in the playoffs. He just didn't. And that's why

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the Eagles game, if it wasn't for a aushon Jeffrey
dropped that led to an interception. You know that they
were up only up six, So if Nick Foles scores
and that touch, maybe they don't win. You know, I'm
not saying I don't like playing that game, but Drew
Brees just overall did not have a very good playoffs.
Switching gears. A big story out today Antonio Brown, his
relationship with Mike Tomlin. With Ben Roethlisberger, I don't think

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we learn anything significantly new. Mike Tomlin kind of a
looser ship and of course a b played by some
rules maybe that others didn't real quick. You know, I
have this theory, but but does it work long term
to be kind of a quote unquote players coach the
way that Mike Tomlin does. Because I just feel like,
eventually somebody gets away with some stuff that other guys

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don't like. You eventually lose the locker room, which appears
to be the case somewhat in Pittsburgh right now, I
think you just have to funnel guys in and out quicker.
The problem is Antonio O. Brown is so good that
you wouldn't look to get rid of them. Like in Seattle.
Pete Carroll, I think, is the best example. You know,
he's won a Super Bowl. His team every year makes
the playoffs. Even in a terrible year like last year,

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they still went to nine and seven. But they waited
like a year too long to funnel everyone out, and
it cost him. You saw this year they were playing
with a bunch of people that the casual fan are
not gonna know beside Russell Wilson, and they were really good.
They were a playoff team and they're gonna be even
better next year. So to me, the key is just
the you know, funnel guys in and out. Now it
gets complicated, you know, and and it did with Seattle.

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When you have super famous, elite players, it's harder to
get rid of them. That's what you know, makes Bill
Belichick the modern day Bill Walsh, like he has the
equity and the stones to just do it, because it's
not an easy thing to do because you take a
lot of heat when you get rid of a Richard Seymour,
a Logan Mankins, a West Welker. Sometimes. Now, Antonio Brown
is arguably better than all those guys. You know he

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had he had fifteen touchdowns last year. But you know
it can snowball on your fast. Now they're in this
weird situation. And the worst thing in the NFL, and
like in any business, is when people know that you
want to sell, because then you lose your leverage. Like
everyone knows they would like to trade Antonio Brown, Well,
what does that mean? Their offers are gonna go down?

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So instead of like the Belichick is a master at this,
you never quite know and then boom, the guy's gone.
Well he because he maximizes value. And sometimes when you
let these things become so public, you know, the NFL
is like high school rumors. They know everything. Everyone talks.
So I find out you don't want Antonio Brown back,
I'm not gonna offer you as first or second round pick.
I'm gonna offer you like a fourth a fourth rounder

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for Antonio Brown. Well, yeah, if I know they want
to get rid of them, I'm not gonna give them much.
Just just simple supply and demand, right, simple economics. You
just why would you offer. Now, if everyone thought they
were in love with each other, they probably could get
a first round pick for him. But we all know
that he's kind of a pain in the butt. John
Middlcoff joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on the
Doug gott Leaps Show. You can hear us three and
Out podcast on the Herd Radio Network. He's here on Torres.

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I'm Dan Buire in for Duck today. Is Antonio Brown
good enough to fit in anywhere? And I hear myself
ask that question, and I'm like, boy, that sounds stupid.
But we've heard Jerry Rice campaign for him to go
to the forty niners. Wherever he goes, is there going
to be success or is there more to the equation? Yeah?
I think it's hard, you know. I mean, he was

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in the perfect environment in Pittsburgh and he's flourished, right,
But that's a historical environment that everyone flourishes there. I
do think you saw, like Terrell Owens, as his career
went once Andy Reid kind of sold stock on him,
he was kind of a pain from there on out.
So yeah, I don't think by any means he would
just be some plug and play player to have a

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lot of success. Also, he's played with the Hall of
Fame quarterback. You know, you went to the wrong team
with a quarterback that wasn't playing that well. It could
get ugly fast, just because he clearly has beliefs in
the way he's gonna do things that he's outspoken and
he's acting on social media and he's got no problem
you know, doing whatever he wants to do, which I

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have most people in the NFL don't really mind if
you're an elite player. Now there is kind of, like
you said, that threshold, where is it t o and
the peak of his power still found it Now, I'm
not saying Antonio Brown is quite there, even though I
just before I jumped on with you guys saw a
headline that TL has been a mentor to Antonio Brown.
So it's just you know, I I don't know. They

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go off for the top one. They go off for
popcorn all the time. That's what. Yeah, I can see that.
I was gonna say, kind of staying with that Steelers team.
So Levyan Bell, we're starting to get some buzz maybe Miami.
I feel like he's kind of backed himself into this
corner where when you turned down all the millions that
he did this year by electing not to play. I
feel like you kind of have to go to the

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highest bidder, even if it's not necessarily the right fit.
Am I crazy to think that, Yeah, he doesn't really
have a choice now, I mean, I know that social
media loves acting. Like you know, he was making fifty
five grand. I mean, they had fourteen and a half
million dollars on the table for him and he said no,
fourteen and a half million after they had just paid
him I think twelve and a half so that would
have been almost thirty million in two years. Like he

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he chose this situation. Also, it's pretty it's been proven
now even the Rams who paid Todd Gurley, who's easily
an easier guy to deal with, higher level guy, no issues. Uh,
he just hasn't played well in the playoffs and didn't matter.
They replaced him with C. J. Anderson, who was cut
by like three teams this season. So to me, his
value like that hurts lebian Bell because Todd Gurley is

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just a better player in the sense that he's less drama.
So and he was their guy and they paid him,
and it's kind of proven, Like, no, they probably didn't
need to pay him all that money, So who is giving.
People I talked to in the league don't expect Lebian
to get thirty million dollars. And one of the reasons
he held out was four thirty million guaranteed. So people
thinking that he was gonna get that forty five million

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Gurley money, well you actually have. Even if he got thirty,
you have to sub subtract the franchise tag that he
just turned down because he got nothing this season, so
it would really just be like, you know, he should
have made that money and had more money coming. I
think he's he got terrible advice, and I get him
being passionate and think he's getting screwed. But man, that's

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you just play the wrong position. There's nothing else to say.
If you played quarterback or you played pass rusher, they
would have taken care of you. But you played running
back and you've been in trouble, you've been suspended. Uh,
you've been pop for a d uy, So that means
if you get in trouble again, you would get suspended.
Like part of it is on you, my man, right,
You know, I don't think you never hear anyone tweeting
about that. He created the situation. Todd Gurley, zero issues,

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zero problems, great teammate that wasn't really the case with Levion.
He's John middlecoff former NFL Scout, host of the Three
and Out podcast. Find him on Twitter at John middle coffin.
I know when you join us next week with Doug
in the chair, it's gonna be a whole bunch of
Super Bowl fifty three. Looking forward to it. John, going
to talk to you again and have a great weekend. Thanks, guys,
enjoy Friday, will do. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer.

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Hello Isaac Hello, Dan and Aaron Adam. Schefter just reported
that this week, Saints head coach Sean Payton has spoken
to Roger Goodell, NFL VP of Officiating, Al Rivron, NFL

(25:36):
VP of Football Operations Troy Vincent, and Competition Committee Chairman
Rich McKay about the Nola no call. Goodell also spoke
to Saints owner Gayle Benson, explaining what Rivron said to
Peyton immediately after the NFC Championship game, that it's a
call that officials should make. Multiple outlets report that the

(25:57):
NFL find Rams cornerback Nickell Robie Coleman six thousand, seven
hundred and thirty nine dollars for his helmet to helmet
hit on the Saints Tommy Lee Lewis. NFL media reports
Robie Coleman will appeal the fine. Colts GM Chris Ballard
told w f NI radio that future Hall of Fame
kicker Adam Vinitari will return next year for a twenty

(26:20):
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Nicola Yokich one game for leaving the bench during an
altercation against the Jazz on Wednesday. NBA Executive vice president
Kiki Vandaway said in a statement, quote Yokich's close proximity

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further escalation of the situation. Unquote. One can only imagine
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He's Aaron Taures. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug today.
The Rockets take on the Raptors tonight in the NBA.
No Chris Paul, but Paul could return from his hamstring injury,
possibly on Sunday. For Houston and Aaron, I want everybody
to to to take a step back because there's been
a lot of heat on James Harden and a lot of,

(28:06):
in my mind, unfair criticism of James Harden. He is
one of the few superstars in the n b A
that can do so much good and do so well,
yet be criticized for playing well and seeing what James
Harden has done, I don't think people realize what exactly

(28:26):
is going on with Harden, what is exactly is going
on with the Rockets, and what could be going on
with the NBA's Western Conference. Because as James Harden has
been on this unbelievable tear of scoring lately, all I
hear about is criticisms of James Harden, of him not
scoring on assists. Of James Harden is going to wear out.

(28:49):
This usage rate is not sustainable. Continuing this through May
and June and the NBA playoffs just won't work. And
I just get the sense that g Is Harden is
such a target for negativity that if this was Steph
Curry or a or a star that is loved by
the NBA, we would be eating this up like Thanksgiving turkey,

(29:11):
Like this would be Oh my goodness. Look at what
Steph Curry is doing with the Golden State Warriors with
Durant and Clay Thompson. Owti is single handedly carrying his team.
That's exactly what James Harden is doing. And I just
don't get the angst and the criticism that is thrown
towards James Harden as he is on one of the
most unreal streaks that we've seen in recent history for

(29:34):
an NBA individual player. Yeah, to me, what it says
is and I think it's a great point by you.
I think, first of all, the way we cover the NBA,
there are black hats and white hats, right there are
good guys and bad guys. Steph Curry can do no wrong. Janice,
your boy. Everybody loves honest, everybody loves poor zinghis Anthony Davis,

(29:55):
I don't think he's on TV enough for anybody not
to like him, right. But then there's west Bro, there's
hard and there are guys that, no matter what they do, Katie,
now that he's been a golden State, that can do
no right. I think for some reason, James Harden, we've
just decided he is this offensive side show, which is
part of a larger offensive side show in Houston. And

(30:17):
to me, that's what this speaks to is. I think
we think of the Warriors, Oh, they're so progressive, Steve
Kerr this advanced offense, and we think of Mike D'Antoni
like gimmicky offense. All they do is shoot threes. And
so because the Rockets are kind of perceived as gimmicky
in their own right, I think people are taking this
James Harden thing and making a gimmicky too. I'm gonna

(30:37):
have some numbers on Hardened that is going that the
Hardened haters can take, and I'm gonna shove it down
their throats because they say a lot about what James
Harden has done. But I look at the we're just
talking with John Middlecoff, We're talking about the Rams. We
even talked about it at the start of the show
and and Sean McVeigh and what Sean McVeigh does. The
Rams towards the latter part of the year had an
injured uh Todd Gurley, Jared Off, wasn't playing well. Things

(31:01):
they just signed C. J. Anderson. Things weren't going well.
And this was supposed to be at time of the
year where you start peaking. So you know what Sean
McVeigh does. Sean McVeigh figures out this recipe of how
through the warts and the bumps and the bruises that
they had at the end of the year, of how
they can actually win a playoff game when two playoff
games and go to the Super Bowl. A magnificent job.

(31:22):
They are now more of a run first team without
your all pro running back doing the running. That's magnificent.
When you take the Houston Rockets, who were out of
the playoff picture when Chris Paul was hurt a month ago,
when you have now have led them to fifth in
the East, to a record of eleven and six without
Chris Paul, with wins over the Spurs, Thunder, Celtics, Warriors,

(31:44):
and Nuggets still be fourth in the NBA and assist
per game and fifth overall in total assists. That's what
you've got with that. That's all that James Harden has
done is continuous assist right, lead them to big wins
over title contenders, not just conference contenders, but title contenders.
Continue to stretch his leading the scoring race. And and

(32:07):
now you've got Chris Paul with the month of rest
and Clint Capella who's not going to have a month
or two of NBA games on his leg as you
enter the playoffs. This is all a positive. James Harden
is doing what he needed to do and has now
got the Rockets in a position that I think sets
them up for a playoff run. Yet all we want
to hear is to he never passes the ball. Well,

(32:28):
you know what, maybe it's the guy's passing to him.
Of the reasons why he isn't getting on those assists.
If he's still averaging eight assists per game in his
top five in the NBA, how is that James Harden's
fault That Eric Gordon or p J. Tucker aren't aren't
hitting shots. I mean, it's it's absurd to see the
criticism that James Harden has gotten over this great run. Well,
and he's shooting. The other thing too, is he's shooting
from the field. It's not like he's shooting thirty six

(32:50):
percent and he's bricking all these shots, like, yeah, he's
shooting thirty five thirty six times, but he's making a
very high percentage of them. And so to me, it
just goes back to you. I think that I just
think that it has become this perception that the Rockets
are this side show and part of what the Rockets

(33:11):
what made them so successful last year. We saw the
three point shooting, Eric Gordon, Trevor Reason when he was
with the team, Chris Paul, James Harden. They were a
good defensive team last year, but everyone perceives them as
this I don't even know. It's like Texas Tech football,
like like all they do is just shoot a bunch
of threes and when they go in, they went And
that's the furthest thing from the truth. When they lost

(33:33):
last year in Game seven of the Western Conference Finals,
it's been from that point until now that people want
them to prove it in the playoffs, and so that's
why there has been no playoffs since that's like, what
are they supposed to do? Then they've He's gotten the
team in the playoff picture. There are a five seed
right now if the playoffs were to start the day,
all without their starting center, who makes a big difference

(33:53):
when you play Golden State, and without your all star
point guard who probably didn't need to play eight games
of the regular season. That's all James Harden has done.
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(35:18):
let's play a game. This is Game Time side on
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to play a game. Hello Isaac, Hello Dan and Aaron.
What will it be today? Psychic? Oh? Okay, all right,
we get to look ahead to see I like it.

(35:38):
But then again, you guys already knew that today's game
was psychic because we are psychics. By definition. According to
Ian Rappaport, the Cowboys are expected to have John Kidness
serves their quarterbacks, coach Kellen Moore by the offensive coordinator,
and Jason Garrett not call plays. Will these changes move
the Cowboys into the top ten of NFL offenses next season?

(36:01):
For perspective, this past season, they were twenty second at
a game. I'm getting a reading, and the reading says no.
But I think it's I can understand whether crystal ball
is coming from. First of all, the Chiefs are gonna
have a better offense. The Rams are gonna have a
better offense. They're They're already there. They're teams who are
more offensively dominated than the Dallas Cowboys are. The Cowboys

(36:26):
don't have to have a top ten offense if they're
top fifteen. If they're hanging around fifteen, that's going to
be good enough I think to continue to win football games.
So even though these changes are made, it's more about
utilizing and maximizing all of Dak Prescott's skills than it
is about jumping into the top ten. So I don't

(36:46):
see a jump into the top ten. I think they're
gonna be better offenses around the NFL, probably because there's
teams also have worse defenses than the Cowboys have. Yeah,
I am also looking to the magic ball a name
you just mentioned, Dak Prescott, like he's still gonna be
quarterback news, then I'll say no in a definitive note
because and even the look the offense was obviously improved

(37:07):
when Amari Cooper got there, we all get that, but
at the end of the day, it was still a
lot of zeke. It was still feel position, old school
run the ball defense. It's it's never gonna be a
dynamic offense with him at quarterback, and that's fine. As
you pointed out, then they don't need it to be
to win games. Yeah, it just has to be creative
us use them, use all of the pieces in different ways.

(37:29):
Although along those lines, psychics, how about this receiver? Amari
Cooper told the Fort Worth Star Telegram that he's excited
about getting a full off season with the Boys so
he can make a bunch of plays and be the
best receiver in the league. Will Cooper leave the NFL
in any of the following categories receptions, receiving yards, or

(37:51):
touchdown receptions? What do you see, Aaron? You see you
see him, you see Amari Cooper holding the belts in
any of these stats. I feel like I'm such a
grumpy old man in this game that's supposed to be
fun because I just keep slamming down nos. Uh. I'm
I'm glad that Amari Cooper is optimistic. I'm glad that
he sees his glasses half full. I see Antonio Brown

(38:14):
wherever he is being awesome. I see Julio Jones wherever
he is being awesome. I see Brandon Cooks being you
go on and on and on down the list. The
quarterback isn't there for him to lead the league in
any of those categories. And I think while his skill
set is good, it is not the elite of the elite,
like I said, the Antonio Browns, the Julio Jones, etcetera.
Because of that, I will say, uh to Amari Cooper

(38:37):
A plus for optimism, C plus for living in reality.
Ezekiel Elliott at seventy seven receptions. I don't even know elsewhere.
The Baltimore Ravens officially announced a four year extension for
head coach John Harbaugh, and here's what he said about
quarterback Lamar Jackson. Earlier today, he's gonna work at it.

(38:58):
You know, he's going to work at it really hard,
and he already is. And throughout the course of the
off season, he's gonna throw the ball a lot. He's
gonna have his receivers and throw the ball to him.
He's already told me that he should come back. I
expect him to come back a better quarterback skill wise
than he was when he left, and he's determined to
do that. Will Jackson and the Ravens win the a
f C North again next season? And a warning your

(39:21):
could your answer could result in a vendetta from Brown's
quarterback Baker Mayfield. True, that's true. Yeah, I was gonna say,
I don't see a division title in the future for
the Baltimore Ravens. I do see that orange helmet shining
brights for the Cleveland Rounds as being a possibility. You
still have to get through Pittsburgh as well. That's something

(39:41):
that you're gonna have to deal with. I yeah, I
I think Baltimore is gonna be all right. They're always
gonna have their defense, and I think that they'll do
more with Lamar Jackson. I just think that when you
look at it as a whole. I just think Cleveland's
gonna be so much better, and whether the Steelers have
Antonio Brown or not, there's still a team to be with.
I don't see the Ravens as winning the division. I

(40:03):
am in the same boat for the same exact reasons.
I think. Look, the Steelers are always going to be
in the picture, and as long as John Harbaugh is
the coach, it's not as though he's gonna open it up.
This isn't Cliff Kingsbury in Arizona, this isn't Sean McVeigh.
They're not gonna be throwing the ball forty times a game.
It's still gonna be as we just said with the
Cowboys a minute ago, ball control offense. For that reason,

(40:24):
I don't think much is gonna change. They're gonna look
the same as they did this year. For that reason,
I don't I will pick them not to win the division.
This is game time on The Godly Show. I wish
we would have seen a new helmet logo for the Ravens, Like, like,
when you talk about helmet logos, one of the worst

(40:44):
in the National Football League, it doesn't even look like
a real bird, Like you can you can do something
a lot different. They've got to get more creative with
the logo in Baltimore. Not a fan, not a fan
at all. Yeah, I don't disagree on all fronts. I
don't think the team is gonna look different nor the
uniforms next year. He's Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Buyer. We
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(41:28):
as we just wrapped up a game, getting a lot
of no idea, justin saying, hey, am MARII Cooper let
the NFL at all those stats since joining the Cowboys.
I'll take a full year and let it right out.
I'm with Torres on this one, as you should be. Yeah,
glad to have you with us on this Friday. Regis
on Twitter just like no idea, Justin did I'm at

(41:50):
Dan Buyer on Fox? Get Aaron at Aaron underscore Torres
as simple as that. The NFL in the news not
only for Kelly Robie Coleman's fine today for his hits
in the Saints Rams game, the hit that was not
called a pass interference or a helmet to helmet hit.
You also have the news that Adam Schefter reported for

(42:13):
ESPN that Roger Goodallas spoken to Sean Payton. Al river
N has had conversations as well, and Gayl Benson, the
Saints owner. They have all spoken to the Saints brass
about that call of what should have happened. So Ben
Watson's letter to Commissioner Goodell yesterday was just a bit
of piling on. Now there's been some piling on in
Pittsburgh as well because of the dysfunction that has happened

(42:35):
with the Pittsburgh Steelers, who missed the NFL playoffs this season.
Now going into next season, we don't know if it's
going to be the new look Pittsburgh Steelers without Levan
Bell possibly and without Antonio Brown possibly. The Mike Tomlin
era is now reaching the rocky parts, if it hasn't
already been there. Yeah, And I mean, look, if you

(42:58):
just look, and this has been a topic of debate,
is Mike Tomlin underachieving with this group? First glance, no,
they're always in the conversation. But second glance, it's been
eight years since they've made a super Bowl. During that stretch,
there's only been one a f C Championship Game appearance.
And obviously we remember the vivid upsets in the playoffs,

(43:19):
right the Jags a few years ago at home Tebow.
I don't know if you've ever heard of that guy
getting a win over the Steelers. And so, like, there's
one thing about Mike Tomlin quote unquote, has he lost
the locker room? But it kind of made me think
this story that came out today, Right, so it basically
didn't really shed any new light. Antonio Brown played by
a different set of rules. He showed up late, but

(43:41):
because he was so productive on Sundays, it was all
kind of overshadowed. And so it just got me thinking,
does the being the players coach thing ever really work?
Because we see it. You know, everybody wants to be
best friends with their guys and give guys leeway. But
I think whether it's in football, whether it's in any
walk of life when you show up to work and

(44:03):
you know that certain people, guys, girls, whoever, in your
office are playing by a different set of rules. I
think it does lead to like a pseudo toxic environment.
I think we're getting it in Pittsburgh and it's something
that we've seen throughout the NFL, throughout sports over the years.
John Middlecoff of the Three and Out podcast on the
Herd Radio Network, former NFL scout, joined us earlier on
the show to talk about the topic of Mike Tomlin, players, coach, etcetera.

(44:26):
I think you just have to funnel guys in and
out quicker. The problem is Antonio Brown is so good
that you wouldn't look to get rid of them. Now
it gets complicated when you have super famous, elite players.
It's harder to get rid of them because you take
a lot of heat when you get rid of a
Richard Seymour, a Logan Mankins, a Wes Welker. Sometimes. Now,
Antonio Brown's arguably better than all those guys. Now, I

(44:49):
would argue this in the examples that have been used
with the Richard Seymour and the Logan Mankins. That's the
new England Patriots, and that's where we look at. Okay,
Bill Belichick isn't a players coach, and I would argue
that there are thirty one players coaches in the National
Football League, and then there's Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

(45:11):
And with today's NFL with so much, even with the
ability to cut players because of contracts, to to not
have them guaranteed money, even with all of that, it
is still a players league. In the front office, if
you weren't maximizing your quarterback, if you weren't maximizing the
guys around it, you're likely going to lose your job.

(45:32):
And so I look at New England as we look
at this as really the outlier and the only way
that it the reason it works is because of the
Super Bowl titles that Bill Belichick has and the Super
Bowl titles that Tom Brady has, and I just don't
think that there are the thirty one other teams in
the NFL can replicate that. Just because of the enormous

(45:52):
success of the Patriots, I think the NFL now you
have to be a players coach, even if it's not successful,
because we've seen in Roy Matt Patricians trying to lay
down his law coming from that Patriot way. Maybe he's
just not a joke. Maybe he's just not a good
coach though I mean Sean, I mean I would think
of Sean Payton more not really a player's coach. And

(46:13):
I think it helps when you have a one a
Hall of Fame quarterback, but to a Hall of Fame
quarterback that's in line with what you want to do.
But as the years have gone on, the puzzle pieces
have moved around him, kind of a John Middlekof's point
is that outside of Drew Brees, there's been a lot
of change within that organization. I, off top of my head,
I don't know, but I would venture to guess not
very many guys around from those glory years of oh, nine, ten, eleven,

(46:33):
all that. But I just look at it. I just
think that eventually the locker room always eroads, and I
always and I do think that John's point was a
really like salient one, a really important one of you
gotta get guys in and out and in and out,
because if you don't, then you start to see the
long term effects. One of the things with the Tomlin

(46:54):
article today, the Antonio Bryant articles, Antonio Brown article today
was that, but Antonio Brown got there. They had that
veteran leadership, specifically on the defensive side of the ball.
They had obviously Hines warded at wide receiver, so he
had to fall in line behind other guys. But I
just think I just look around the league, and I
do think Sean Paige and I would call him, I

(47:16):
wouldn't call him a player's coach. Sean McVeigh, even though
he has that like frat boy, you know, trim beat,
like you talk to you, hear people talk about him
in the way that he approaches things, everybody falls in
line behind him. And I just think in sports, if
your superstars play by a different set of rules and
if they know they can get away with stuff, I

(47:38):
do think it eventually leads to where the Pittsburgh Steelers
are right now. And I think you can go across sports.
There have been great players that don't get along with
their coaches necessarily. I'm thinking right now off top of
my head, like Kobe Bryant, right, but he's so great,
he's the hardest worker, he's in early. He doesn't take
advantage of that lack's attitude. And I just think in
a situation like the Steelers. You have a guy like that,

(47:59):
I do think it kind of a roads throughout the organization.
What would you call Mike McCarthy when he was in
Green Bay? I don't really know. I was thinking about
him because I don't think he's a player's coach at all.
And I think that that look at what it got
him this year, Like I mean of the success that
Green Bay has had, and because he didn't get along
with Aaron Rodgers and or or or it seemed to
be the case that Mike McCarthy wanted to do things

(48:22):
his way because he was the head coach, that things
didn't work out. And I and I and I would
think that that Sean Payton, Sean Payton walking into the
locker room with two thousand dollars cash in a Super
Bowl trophy and a Super Bowl ring, yeah, and saying, hey, like,
you can't do that unless the players believe in you
and and and are with you. And I I look

(48:44):
at that as a players coach sort of thing. I
think that the players can relate to Sean McVeigh in
a way, but understand that he's in charge. I don't
think you have to cater to the players as much
for their every desire to be a player's coach. See,
I feel that those are two different things. I feel
like a coach that the guys believe in is different

(49:04):
than being a player's coach. And I just look at
the situation with the Rams, I mean, for all the
egos that they've had. Maybe I'm missing something. All the
guys with this all we talked about all preseason, Brandon
Cooks to keep to leave, Marcus Peters and do mckin
sue you don't hear anything. Am I missing something? Was
there any big blow up storylines that happened that we

(49:26):
we were aware of, because yeah, And so I just
think there's a difference between being a guy that the
players respect and a guy that I think the players
feel like they can walk over. And I do feel
like we've crossed that line with Mike Tomlin, where Antonio
Brown three years ago is broadcasting a Facebook live in
the middle, you know what I mean. Like, I just
I feel like it's gone from a place where the

(49:48):
players like and respect Mike Tomlin's and now they feel
like they can get away with I've given Mike Tomlin
uh a fair amount of criticism for how things have
played out in Pittsburgh. I think it ultimately comes down
to something that you touched down, is with your star quarterback,
is your star quarterback needs to be the one that
is respected and holds that locker room together. I think

(50:10):
that you could maybe make an argument in Green Bay
that the players sided with Aaron Rodgers, maybe more so
than than Mike McCarthy did. I don't think that any
of the Steelers really like Ben roethlis And so now
you've got this branching where instead of it's a two
side thing, you've got Ben over here, you've got Tomlin
over there, and now you've got Antonio Brown over here,

(50:33):
where none of them are on the same page. Nobody
really likes Ben. Antonio Brown is sick of being thrown
under the bus by Ben Roethlisberger time after time. And
now if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then Jeremy Fowler's
piece on ESPN, I don't think it's a coincidence that
you have an emerging jud Smith Schuster who's playing in
the Pro Bowl this weekend, that you have James Conner.
Now is the era apparent? If you will, to Levan

(50:54):
Bell And I know they didn't make the super that
didn't make the playoffs. But now you have the air
apparents to both of those guys, and it may make
it a little bit easier to move on if if
if Juju stunk and there was no Antonio Brown, I
think Pittsburgh is more likely to cater to it. And
now because of what happened and then what ended up
blowing up in Week seventeen and Juju being the team

(51:18):
m v P if you will, I think it allows
Pittsburgh a little bit more leeway because of the emergence
of those guys. I know, I'm taking it on a
on a on a side angle, but Antonio Brown still
had the production and they've put up with it and
put up with it and put up with it. And
now you're saying, Okay, well we've got this guy here
who doesn't make as much of a of a hubbub,
maybe we can move on from Antonio Brown. I think

(51:39):
that's a part of it as well. And I think
a part of it is also the simple and it's
the most simple edict in sports, which is that when
you're winning, it covers up a lot of other things.
And so if Antonio Brown showing up late and I
know he's suspended for their last game, but if he's
showing up late and he's producing, which he has been,
but that it's leading to results on the field, it's like,
we can't break this up. We just won the division,

(52:00):
we just went to the FC championship game. But now
it's like we got all that from a B. He's
causing headaches and we're not winning, and so like, what
is the endgame here of having this guy in our
locker room? Now? Maybe, as to your point, he's kind
of the fall guy. He's taken the blame when some
of it should be on Ben for calling him out publicly,
some of it should be on Tomlin for not kind

(52:21):
of corralling everybody and getting him going in the same direction.
But I also think that when you lose, somebody has
to be held accountable, and I think I don't want
say accountable, but somebody is going to take the blame.
And right now it does feel like the way that
everything that we've heard the last three or four weeks
since the season ended, it's pushing in the direction of
Antonio Brown. I've heard from reports and nothing firsthand, but

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I've asked, We've had we've had multiple guests on this network,
and we've talked about the Steelers and the issues that
they had in Pittsburgh, whether it be in week seventeen
or or after, But that Todd Hailey was actually the
guy who could tell Ben Roethlisberger no, and that Todd
Haley was a guy who could stand would stand up
to Ben Roethlisberger. So to your point, there could be

(53:05):
some truth of it's not just allowing Antonio Brown to
get away with everything because he was producing. It was
also allowing Ben Roethlisberger to throw Antonio Brown under the bus.
That this is maybe why this thing's got out of
control because not only was Antonio Brown now kind of
going wild, Ben Roethlisberger is now off doing his own

(53:27):
thing because there was nobody there to keep the quarterback
and check where maybe is dysfunction those things may have
been in the past. Todd Haley at least would be
able to say to Ben, no, we're not doing that well. Yeah,
And and the lack of accountability in that that locker
room or in that facility, it's not it doesn't just
fall on Antonio Brown. Part of it is on Ben
Roethlisberger calling him out publicly in a way that maybe

(53:48):
he hasn't before. But again that does fall on Mike
Tomlin to be like, dude, he can't say that stuff
about your you know, you can't say that stuff about
your teammates and stuff. And so I do think and
it's funny that Middlecoff brought up the Seahawks because I
was thinking about the Seahawks where it felt like it
went a little two player driven where you heard all
kinds of stuff about Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, guys like that.

(54:11):
They get him out. Now all of a sudden, it's
a younger team. They fall in line with Russell Wilson,
Bobby Wagner. It's a different story. Here's the thing about
the Seahawks, and I'll quick make this point. Pete Carroll
is a player's coach to a certain extent, if the
players are buying into his head coaching ways, the compete.
The belief part of the Seahawks destruction and why those

(54:31):
veterans are gone is because they were no longer listening
to their head coach, so that's why they were booted out.
So so being a player's coach, I I you have
to have some sort of connection to him, That's why
I would argue that New England is really the only
place where you could really really set down your rules.
Pete Carroll, is you know to your point as a
guy that said, all right, I'll be rod me with
you guys the whole time, but once you start going

(54:52):
against me, we'll move on from there. Now we see
the resurgence in Seattle. Yeah, And and that's what I
think is an important element of this is it can
work for a time, it can result in a super
Bowl like it did with the Seahawks, but when it
crashed and burned, it wasn't just because those guys got older.
It was because kind of the bravado and everything outshine
what they were actually performing on the field. He's aeron Torres,

(55:15):
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that and all things NFL and Senior Bowl and whatnot.

(57:02):
A good friend from the mm QB, Robert klempco joins
us year on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Robert, happy New Year.
Going to talk to you. How are you? How are
you doing today? I'm good? Well, how are you guys?
We are doing all right. I know you've got a
piece out about the coaching staff that are coaching the
the Senior Bowl of the Raiders and the forty Niners,
And I want to ask you about the forty Niners
angle because we just got done talking about Antonio Brown

(57:25):
and Jerry Rice just stumped for the forty Niners to
bring in Antonio Brown. There's been connections we've tried to
make of where Antonio Brown could go if he isn't
in Pittsburgh. Would he fit in San Francisco with what
Kyle Shanahan is trying to do. Yeah, I think absolutely
he fits. You know, the big thing that Kyle Shanahan
uh needs in that offense UM is a dominant X receiver.

(57:50):
You know, when he was in Atlanta, he had success
with the dominant X, two pass catching tight ends, two
pass catching running backs. I mean that's his very specific formula.
And if you don't have that guy that can take
the top off of defense, who can make clutch catches
for you deep over the middle, UM, then a lot
of it doesn't work the way it's supposed to. So
I I do see them as a candidate and a

(58:11):
team that could, you know, put up big draft capital
um in order to get a player like Antonio Brown,
because I know that they do feel like they are
only a couple of players away from making a huge
improvement on last year. I know it's early, but what
is UM you know, like, like who else outside of
the fort and has been there's been so much buzz,
but Antonio Brown is such a dynamic player. Who else

(58:32):
outside of the fort and I is a realistic landing
spot if the Steelers move off the You know, I
could see a team like Minnesota feeling like they're in
Antonio Brown away from a super Bowl and you think
about what that offense would look like with him, I
mean with Adam Steelan and Stefan Diggs. UM. I think
about teams like um honestly l A knowing that you

(58:56):
know they are gonna go try to make another run
at the Super Bowl next year. And I'm talking about
the Rams and seeing how aggressive less need Um has
approached trade and has approached free agency. And they've still
got a short little window here before they have to
re up Jared Goff, so they will have the cap
space if they move some things around after this season.
But you know, you could see a team that feels

(59:19):
like they're just a couple of players away and still
have a quarterback on a rookie contract, UH make a
move like that. I think aggressive trades for players like
Antonio Brown is is where this league is headed. Robert
clem Co of the MMQB joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. He's your and Torres, I'm Dan Buyers. We
are in for Doug today. Jon Gruden coaching one of

(59:40):
the squads at the Senior Bowl. How have the Raiders
in this staff taken advantage of that? We know Mike
Mayex now the new general manager with the Raiders. How
are things gone for the Raiders and specifically in Gruden
and what is now entering year two for him with
the Silver and Black. Yeah, you know, just in general,
coaching the Senior Bowl is a pretty big deal. UM.

(01:00:03):
I did the math on the last ten years and
I believe it's UM something like of the draft picks
and for the teams that coached the Senior Bowl come
from guys that they coached. Specifically in that game, the
Vikings took Harrison Smith's back in two thousand twelve, UM,
Dak Prescott, Uh and uh, I'm sorry Andy Dalton played

(01:00:26):
actually in the game against the staffs that eventually drafted them.
The Jags took Telvin Smith. You know, the list goes
on and on. UM, So I wouldn't be surprised if
after this hands on experience they end up taking two
or three guys just off that. UM. North Senior Bowl team.
So if you're a Raiders fan, I think you have
to pay attention to that. No, it's a little early

(01:00:46):
for draft talk. And no, frankly that a lot of
the best players in this draft are not with you
at the Senior Bowler. But has anybody stood out, anybody
creating buzz with the scouts and GM's there. Yeah, I
think there's a number of guys. You know. I focused
on the South team because I was embedded a little
bit in the San Francisco defensive line room. Isaiah Bugs,
the defensive linemen out of Alabama, really helped himself. UM.

(01:01:09):
This week, another guy that's a little bit off the
radar and is probably gonna be a second or third
round pick that really had people talking was Paul Granderson.
He was Wyoming defensive end with an incredible story. UM,
hungry kid literally growing up, didn't get recruited because the
only way to hundred and eighty pounds at six ft
six And then he gets to college, Um, and he's

(01:01:32):
got free cafeteria food and he gainst twenty pounds in
three weeks. And I think I think he really impressed
on people with his hustle and and and his Drive
this week, Robert clemco joining us here on Fox Sports
Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show. You had the cover
for s I this past week on the Rams went
over the Saints and dove into just the building of
this Rams team that's gonna appear in Super Bowl fifty

(01:01:54):
three a week from Sunday. We've seen these Sean McVeigh
copycat and the connections of people trying to get the
next head coach like McVeigh. Our team is gonna be
able to copy Less needs blueprints of putting a team together. Yeah,
that's a good question. You know. I think what Less
has done is a little bit underrated, which is why

(01:02:14):
I you know, I wanted to focus on him with
the cover story and thank you for mentioning that, Um,
but he got aggressive and didn't put down the phone.
I mean, you could argue that one of the most
important things he did was the last thing he did,
which is in the middle of the season in October,
going and getting Dante Fowler Jr. After he'd had all
those bizarre fights during practice in Jacksonville and they were

(01:02:37):
ready to move him. Um, And they did it for
a fourth round pick. And then he makes the play
of the Super Bowl and and hits Drew Breese and
forces an interception there at the end of the game.
And he's really improved week after week. A lot of
that is McVeigh and the flexibility that he gives you. Um,
it's very difficult to find a head coach that so

(01:02:58):
many players of different stripes and backgrounds and ages and
stages of their career just respect immediately and get on
board with his vision. It's just not a lot of
human beings out there like that. But I think the
most important thing that Sean did was two years ago
signed Andrew Whitworth away from Cincinnati, and it was it
was such a prescient move because the only teams are

(01:03:21):
really bidding hard for Andrew at the time, where teams
with former Bengals coaches, guys who really knew who Andrew
Whitworth was and what he could bring to a locker room.
And then the other guy in the race is less
neat who doesn't know Andrew Whitworth from Adam but is
going based on reputation. And Andrew Whitworth ends up being
a pillar in that locker room and somebody they could
really build around. The last one for me, kind of

(01:03:41):
staying in that kind of hot stove frame of mind
with the Antonio Brown stuff. Is Levan Bell we heard
yesterday maybe a rumor that Miami could be a front runner.
Is there a front runner in your mind? And how
much of this just comes down to simple dollars and
cents after he willingly gave up over fourteen million dollars
last year. Yeah, you know, I think he's gonna have
to give up on that dream of being paid like

(01:04:03):
a running back combined with the wide receiver. You saw
the way the Chief's offense was able to roll with
Damian Williams after losing Kareem Hunt. And I think whenever
you you get that example, whenever NFL gms get that example,
they sort of start to realize that, Okay, maybe if
we add a player like Levian Bell, it's not going
to change our franchise that much because we don't have

(01:04:26):
the depth along the offensive line that a team like
the Kansas City Chiefs does, or for instance, the Los
Angeles Rams, who are plugging and playing C. J. Anderson
with Todd Gurley at the moment. So I think he's
gonna be disappointed in the deal that he eventually gets
and the reason that he's put it out there that
that he would be okay with Miami is because he'd

(01:04:46):
like to live somewhere warm. And I think that's what
he's gonna he's gonna fall back on. Is that lifestyle choice.
He's Robert Clemt go of the m m QB. You
can read them, read the twitter tweets on Twitter at
Robert Clemp of course, read him on the mm QB.
And yeah, congrats again on the s I cover. I
know it's a little thing, but hey, if you could
keep on adding those cover stories to the resume even more,

(01:05:09):
the better we appreciate it. Robert, enjoy the Senior Bowl,
and uh, well, maybe talk to you next week at
Super Bowl fifty three. Hey, don't tell my grandma. It's
a little things. Do you think? Yeah, it's huge, it's huge.
But I was just gonna say, like to keep do
you guys keep track of how many covers you get?
Do you know how many covers you've gotten? I know
how many. But I want to get to like great.
I want to get into like Greg Bishop status where

(01:05:30):
he doesn't even remember he's lying by the way, he's
I don't even know him and he's definitively amazing. I
appreciate it. Robert, Well, we'll do it a good soon.
Thanks so much, Thanks Robert clemco the mm QB. I
was just saying the MMQB dot com just because we're
always online all the time. But you can see the
cover s I as well. Good stuff from Robert. I

(01:05:51):
will say, that's gotta be I'm a writer myself, never
worked for s I, but that's gotta be pretty cool.
Senior name on like, like every writer you want to
work for Sports Illustrated, it's gotta be pretty cool. So
I'm sure it's not. It definitely isn't his first, but
kill and the only reason I didn't want to downplay
it is a little thing. But I was saying, like
it maybe a little thing like a competition between like

(01:06:11):
other writers, you know of like hey, I got eight covers,
you've got twelve, that sort of thing. But yeah, no,
I was gonna say, we don't really have that in radio,
Like I don't get to come in on Saturday and
be like Arnie of the eight debates we got in
the other day, I won six, So I'm leading the
show today. We're talking about what I want doesn't work
like that in radio. You'd be surprised to what people
keep track of in radio, you definitely would be He's

(01:06:34):
Aaron Torres. I've Dan Buyer. We are in for Doug
Gottlieb here on the Doug Gottlieb Show coming up next.
If you've ever gotten into an argument with the significant
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what's happening at Tory Ponds and around the world of sports. Indeed,

(01:06:56):
Dan and Aaron now earlier we told you that. Adam
Schefter reported this afternoon that during the week, New Orleans
Saints head coach Sean Payton spoke with Roger Goodell, NFL
VP of Officiating, Al River, n n f L VP
of Football Operations Troy Vincent, and Competition Committee Chairman Rich
McKay about the Nolan no call, and then Cadell also

(01:07:18):
spoke with Saint Szodor Gail Vinson. Will Schefter just followed
up on that moment ago, tweeting quote some context Sean
Payton reached out to the NFL this week to see
how it would publicly handle situation and demonstrate leadership it should.
NFL did not reach out to him. NFL felt the

(01:07:39):
explanation that river Ron offered Peyton after the game officials
missed the call was sufficient unquote. Multiple outlets report that
the NFL find Ram's quarterback Nkel Roby Coleman twenty six
thousand seven d thirty nine dollars four his helmet to
helmet hit on the Saints Tommy Lee Lewis. NFL media
reports Roby Callman will appeal the fine. Colts GM Chris

(01:08:02):
Ballard told w F and I Radio the future Hall
of Fame kicker Adam vine Terry will return next year
for four season at the age of forty six. No
word yet if Facebook Watch plans to develop a documentary
called Venit Terry Versus Time At the Farmer's Insurance all
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thirteen under par overall over Billy Horshell, and finally, college football,
the Pack twelve has opted out of its agreement with
Levi Stadium to host its conference championship game after next season.
In a related story. College football fans opted out of
attending Pactweld championship games a number of years ago. Now,

(01:08:49):
I will say the college football National Championship Game was
reflective of the thoughts about college football in the Bay Area.
So indeed, and especially the Pack twelve game. There back
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is here in Torres. I'm Dan pire Is we are
in for Doug today. They closed off the upper deck
for that pactwal title games. And the reason, no, it's

(01:09:31):
it's it's all the reasons we argued about with the
college football National Championship Game. It's hard to get to,
especially on a week's notice, which is what the Pac
twelve Championship game is. They're gonna move that game, either
Vegas or Inglewood, probably Vegas. It's gonna be really well
attended there there. There's there's another thing that is a
little different too than than what the Southeast has to

(01:09:53):
deal with. Is when you are trying to plan if
you're going to go to a bowl game, if you're
gonna try to plan to go for a college school
a playoff if your school makes it. The PAC twelve
isn't an easy drive in any of the spaces, like
like you just can't be like, oh, we'll just drive
over to Atlanta from Tuscaloosa. Even the Big Tennis it's
been expanding a little bit further. You try to make

(01:10:15):
it essential as you can with Indianapolis and fans coming.
But if Ohio states, there are Indiana, Purdue, UM or
Michigan states a lot shorter drives than a Penn State
or Nebraska or those sort of schools. For the PAC twelve,
it's not really in driving distance except for Stanford and
cal and maybe USC and U C l A. But
otherwise everybody else has got a pretty much fly there.

(01:10:36):
I'm telling you, if they're smart, they'll move it to
that Vegas stadium and I guarantee you one, it's cheaper
to get to Vegas on a week's notice and to
no disrespect to the UH Paulo Alto wherever that stadium is.
I think people, yeah, I think people have a little
more fun in Vegas when that Puppy opens. I think
that's where that game goes. The Pac twelve Championship game

(01:10:56):
is on the move. Super Bowl fifty three will be
held in Atlantas, Puper Bowl fifty four will be held
in South Florida. That's next season. Maybe next season Levian
Bell could be playing in South Florida as well, not
of the Super Bowl, but maybe for the Miami Dolphins.
He was a report yesterday from Fansided that said a
source close to Levian Bell. He said that the running

(01:11:17):
back wants to play for the Dolphins next season. Now,
of course he'd have to be a free agent, which
we expect him to be once the once March comes around.
The point is this with Levian Bell? And I have
called Levian Bell the league leader and bad decisions at
one point it may not have been fair, but for
the for the pot urests and other decisions that he

(01:11:37):
has made, Levian Bell just wasn't making great decisions. I
felt for his football career, and I think we even
saw that this past season of him than just you
know what, I'm gonna just stick my heels in and
I'm not going to play. And this is what what
every guy has dealt with in a relationship with their
significant other is you are in an argument and you

(01:12:01):
kind of realize you're in the wrong, but you are
not going to give up like you are you are
going to you are going to die on that point,
your heels are dug in. And that's exactly what Levian
Bell is doing. And and it's reflected by this Miami
Dolphins decision error just for the simple fact of we
know that Levian Bell has wanted the most money. That's

(01:12:21):
what he wants. He wants the most money that he
can get that he feels that he is worth. It
has nothing to do with championships, That has nothing to
do about winning, and it has everything to do about money.
If the Miami Dolphins and maybe a nice, warm locale,
if the Miami Dolphins are willing to pay him that
amount of money, Levian Bell is willing to go. And
And as crazy as that may sound, as a sports
guy like myself or or someone else, out there. I

(01:12:43):
actually appreciate it because I understand when you're in an argument,
you know you're wrong, but you just don't want to
give up. You gotta stick your heels in and deal
with the consequences. That's exactly what Levian Bell is doing here.
And if you were to go to the Dolphins, he'd
be sticking in his heels even more. Yeah. First of all,
I saw in that initial report that a big part
of the reason why he wants to go to Miami

(01:13:04):
is because it will help him further his rap career.
So I respect that proximity to pit Bull is a
big decision maker as opposed to like having a functional quarterback.
I know, I thought like New York or New Orleans
or Atlanta would be like more of a spot for
your rap career too, even the West Coast come in
to l A. I I didn't realize that Miami was
the hotbed, but I was gonna say, don't forget pit

(01:13:27):
Bull went from MR. Three oh five to MR Worldwide.
That's all I'm saying. And and so, but I do
think this backs up your point, and I think this
is insanity because in the last like eight or ten years,
I think athletes have evolved so much as far as
understanding the value of winning, right, like the Lebron new

(01:13:50):
my legacy will change forever, ironically going to Miami, but
it was to win championships. We see it in the NBA, Katie,
the Warriors, guys taken less more, Tom Brady taking less money,
Drew Brees taking less money to help the team out,
and Levan bell is like the old school, like two yeah, wins, losses, Dolphins.

(01:14:10):
Still whoever, let's let's just cut me that check. And
so I do think that to your point, he's dug
his heels in. He's got to go to the highest bidder. Otherwise,
you know, what's the point of even leaving Pittsburgh. And
it'll be fascinating to see. But it's just amazing how
in this world where everybody wants to take less money
to win, he's doing the exact opposite. When you go
to the grocery store, do you guys follow the arrows

(01:14:31):
in the direction that they go, Like if it says
you can only go that way, you only go that way,
not in the grocery store, in a parking lot, because yeah, yeah,
parking lot, John Ramos, do you do that as well,
do you follow Yeah, I'm with are and I got
lost with it with you for a second and the
grocery store parking lot Ryan music, do you follow the arrows? Yes?
So well yesterday, Yeah, it was Wednesday, Wednesday, coming back

(01:14:54):
from from Tory Pines. My wife and I are driving
around a mall parking lot to go to a restaurant
and there is a spot that is open right at
the end of the aisle. Okay, right right at like
perfect if. The shortest amount of walk was from that spot,
but the arrow wasn't the way that I can turn.

(01:15:14):
My wife's like, just back in and pull in, and
I said I can't do it. We got into a
ten minute argument, and she was probably right because there
were no other cars around. But what ended up happening
is I didn't want to go in that lane because
the arrow was telling me no, this is a one
way traffic. So you know what I did. I went
around that spot, went down the one way where another

(01:15:36):
car was ended up cutting in front of me because
they turned in first, and then they pulled up and
took a spot near And then she's like, see, no
mind you. We parked three spots away from where that
spot was, but I was just like, that was our
you know who cares. I didn't want to break the rule.
I wanted to just follow along with the the arrows,

(01:15:56):
and I just I wouldn't let it go. I was
it was just three spots. Like I dug into my
argument because I felt that it was the right thing
to do, knowing that she was probably right, and I
cost us the best parking spot of the lot. But
that's where I feel like Levian Bell is no matter
what anybody is saying, He's like, no, I'm gonna do this,
I'm gonna do me. I'm gonna go. The Dolphins have

(01:16:17):
already given up on twenty nineteen. They've got the worst
odds of anyone they're looking for a quarterback in the draft.
Yet Levian Bell wants to go there because of his
rap careerit he thinks he can make the most money. Yeah,
good for Levion Bell. Yeah, I mean, listen, we are
a capitalistic society. It's all about you know, dollars and
cents and all that stuff. I just do find it
fascinating that in this era of giving up money for

(01:16:40):
the good of the team, Levian Bell is doing the
exact opposite, although I will say when you forfeit fourteen
and a half million dollars to not play a season,
you kind of don't really have a choice. He's Eron Torres.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Well, Sean Payton, be on the move
that next you're on Fox. Be sure to catch editions

(01:17:00):
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(01:17:21):
Dan Buyer. We are sitting in for Doug today. That's
because Doug was busy working for Colin Cowherd on The
Herd here on Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports One.
And that leads us to a segment we like to
call now They've got some interesting thoughts on the Saints
and Cowboys and one Sean Payton, the reason looks so good,

(01:17:45):
and he plays in a dome. And it should be
pointed out that this year the Saints played against a
complete disaster of a division. Right that division was trash
and it will not be trash for long because you
still have Matt Ryan, you still have Cam Newton. And
if there's anybody who can fix, anybody who can fix
Tampa and fixed aim is it's Bruce Arius. So I
think the division is gonna be remarkably better. And Drew

(01:18:05):
Brees was bad at he just ran out of steam.
So you got a quarterback who, like all these guys,
they get older. Even in the dome, where you can
hide some lack of arm strength, you can't hide the
Drew Brees thing for much longer. Or you could go
coach the Cowboys. They don't have to give dec a
new contract. They got an e lead running back in
a lead offensive line. They got a pretty good defense.

(01:18:27):
And what's the only thing missing from the Cowboys play
color That was Doug Gottlieb. Earlier today, he is saying
Sean Payton should say bye bye New Orleans, Hello Dallas.
The only problem with that is they do have a
head coach right now. In one Jason Garretts. They have
a head coach who the owner is in love with,
like he gets starry Google eyes every time he sees

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Jason Garrett walking down the hallway. I think that the
two concepts work well independent of each other. Like, yeah,
Sean Payton, Saints are getting older cow boys, they need
somebody more dynamic from the head coaching position. But like
you said, I just don't know where that aligns because
of the fact that Jason Garretts gonna be back next
year to the reigning NFC e's chance and it's been

(01:19:11):
a connection that has gone on for I don't know
how many years with Sean Payton possibly going to Dallas,
not only with his history had a place in Dallas.
I guess at one point this is one of those
things that was always thought to be this is bound
to happen at some point, But you get to the
point of if it hasn't happened now, it's probably not

(01:19:34):
going to happen. I also think it would be a
bad look because the Saints did go you know, we
talked about the Rams going all in. I remember two
Super Bowls ago there was a question about Drew Brees
and his future and now Drew Brees didn't get a
seven year deal to stay with the New Orleans Saints,
instead shorter term deals. But they've tried to build a

(01:19:58):
team where it isn't as much on rw brees shoulder,
and so you've seen them invest and they traded up
last year to get Marcus davenportan and traded their first
round pick to Green Bay to do that. So they've
put a lot in. To have Sean Payton turned his
back on that at this time, I think would just
be a bad look on Sean Payton considering what you
have done for that franchise. I know people would say, well,

(01:20:20):
look what he has done for that franchise, he should
be able to do what he wants. But they really
put a lot in these last two years and tried
to make a push, had some heartbreaking defeats, no doubt,
Minneapolis Miracle and now this passing interference. But for him
to jump ship, I think it would leave a bad
taste and in many people's mouths in New Orleans. Yeah,
And it's the weird thing where you can see both
sides of the argument for what you just brought up.

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Dan is on the one side that he's so intrinsically
tied to Drew Brees, both in the present, historically, going forward, etcetera.
You could see the scenario where he'd say, Okay, Drew
Brees has gone, It's time for me to move on
the next step. But they also, to your point, have
a lot of really young, dynamic players. It's still the
issue if we got to figure out who our next
quarterback is long term, but Alvin Kamara, Michael Thomas, the

(01:21:04):
defensive guys that you know, that whole secondary is like
first and second year players. There's a lot of really
nice young pieces there to kind of keep this sustained
even after Drew Brees leaves. And then the other part
of that, maybe a little Bill Belichick and Tom Brady
sort of thing, is you're like, who is the real
reason for the success, Sean Payton or Drew Brees. It

(01:21:25):
looks like Sean Payton is probably gonna outlast Drew Brees.
If Doug is saying what he's saying, maybe Sean Payton
is like, you know what, I'll bring a different quarterback
in there once Drew moves on, and I'll work with
him and we'll have more success. And that's more for
his reputation. Maybe he doesn't want to work with Dak Prescott.
If if in this situation of talking about it, looking

(01:21:45):
at what he could have for the future, maybe you'd
want to find his own guy and be like, all right,
we'll show we can even win post Drew Brees. Yeah.
And I think if you're Sean Payton, if you are
going to go somewhere new, you want to go with
a clean slate where you have the opportunity to bring
in your own guys. He's Aeron Torres, I'm Dan are
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There are two people, two types of people in this world.
Pro replay, entire replay. That's it. That's how you can
decipher Aaron on who you are. I have always been

(01:22:31):
a pro replay sort of guy. I think that it
is important to get the call correct. And I think
that when we look at how instant replay is done
in sports and not just in the National Football League.
The key point is to make it efficient because nobody
is mad that the call is right. People are mad

(01:22:53):
at how long it takes to make the right call.
And I think that efficiency is such a he in
making replay appealing that for the people who are anti replay,
who I just don't understand, I think their real problem
is is with the efficiency of replay instead of the
actual use of replay. They can argue human errors a

(01:23:16):
part of everything. There, everything all that they want. I
think there was more of an efficient use of replay,
people would be more like me and being pro replay.
When you said there are two types of people in
this world, I thought you were gonna say people that
follow the arrows in the grocery store parking lot and
people that there are those there are those people too,
and then then there are those people who followed John
Ramos on Twitter and those that do not. So for

(01:23:38):
the two thousand plus of you, congratulations Yes JS Ramos
zero six by the way, so love it, Ramo. So replay, Yeah,
back to replay. I actually don't disagree with you, and
I think that there was a time, maybe four or five, six,
ten years ago in some cases where we were scared

(01:23:59):
of replay because didn't know what it meant. But now
that we have it basically across all sports, it does
really just come down to getting the call right, but
most importantly the time that it takes. I mean, the
number one complaint that you see on social media. I
know social media isn't always a reflection in real life,
is oh, they're going to the monitor, they're going to replay.

(01:24:19):
But at the end of the day, we all want
the calls right. So whether it is a safe out
call in baseball, whether it's targeting in football at the
college or NFL level, whether it's this this past interference
in the ram Saints game, at the end of the day,
we do want it right. We do want it I think.
I think everybody, except for the each opposing fan base,

(01:24:41):
wants to come out of the game feeling like the
team that deserves to win one. That's why I have
no problem with expanding I've always felt that the issue
with the NFL and years past, because it's no longer
the case was, even as someone who was a fan
of replay, was the optics and really the execution of
going on under a tent and looking at a TV

(01:25:03):
that probably was what, I don't know, twenty inch TV.
Even though it's a high definition. You're thinking to yourself,
if you really want to replay a play, put it
on a sixty television, Put it on a seventy five
inch television. And I actually think that when you see
it in the n b A how you have a
live camera on the NBA replay center, that makes you say, look,

(01:25:26):
they're working on the call, they're looking at it, they're
doing this, this is all good, this is all positive.
We see what they're doing. Or you go over to
the ref's table and you see them put the headset
on and they're looking. There's more transparency there. With the NFL,
it was always difficult because they were going under the
secret hood and you couldn't see what was there or
what wasn't there. If the NFL was more transparent and

(01:25:48):
how they do it, and if there was a camera
where Al Riveran and they were, we were understanding what
they were looking at. I think that we could understand it.
But I'm sorry. There's the end game is getting the
call correct. And if it was more efficient, I think
there would be more people for pro replay. And then
this leads to the point of today where to kel
Roby Coleman was fine dollars by the National Football League

(01:26:12):
for his hit on Tommy Lee Lewis of the Saints
on the play where pass interference wasn't called. And what
the fine today told me was that the NFL was saying, yes,
we missed the helmet helmet call. It had nothing to
say about the past interference called directly, but it had
everything to say about it indirectly. And what we saw

(01:26:34):
was a referee who was not willing to put his
guts on the line to make a call late in
the game. And if you institute replay into that situation,
a referee is more likely to make that call because
he has the safety net of replay and today's penalty,
you wouldn't have been able to overturn the helmet helmet

(01:26:57):
I think that's in college you could. But even if
you were just over to to to allow instant replay
for pass interference, you could have looked at that play
and allowed a referee to say, I'm gonna throw the
flag on this, knowing that a coach could have the
opportunity to challenge that call. If you wished or not
challenge it, or even look, there's a lot of different
ways that you could go with replay, with the coaches challenge,

(01:27:18):
or have it automatically reviewed. But the first step is
allowing a past interference called to be challenged. I think
it is a must in the National Football League. Yeah,
And I mean even if by the way you talked
about the helmet to helmet being a debatable thing that
you can replay in this case, if he did have
the leeway of let's say he wasn't sure on past interference,
but he sees the two helmets collide, he sees the

(01:27:39):
head snap back, and he really, oh man, that's a
helmet to helmet. I gotta call this. Then it at
least gives him the wiggle room to to potentially pull
the flag back if it's not the right call, like
they do in college a lot. And so I guess
all of this kind of stems from the idea that
anyone that complains about instant replay at this point, it
is only about the time that it takes. But people

(01:28:02):
want to see the right call made, whether it takes
two minutes, whether it takes By the way, I think
that was a lot of the frustration with the Julian
Edelman thing in the a f C Championship game was
you do go to instant replay. You do need indisputable
video evidence to overturn a call which on the field
was called the muffpunt recovered by the Chiefs. You do
not have indisputable video evidence, and you still overturn it anyway.

(01:28:26):
And so the issue wasn't that it took forever. It
wasn't that there was um replay to begin with. It
was the fact that fans still felt like, did they
really get that call right? It wasn't about anything other
than did they get that call right? And so to
bring it back to your point, to bring it back
to the Saints Rams, it does come down to just
getting the call right. If we have to expand it,

(01:28:47):
if we have to include more stuff, be it you
mentioned you mentioned earlier, face masks, past interference, I have
no problem with it if it's gonna lead to correct calls.
And this goes back to the efficiency of replay as
well of if now it is done from a it
will just say a the third party like the the
NFL office where the reviews are taking place. It makes

(01:29:08):
it a lot quicker because they can look at the
play a lot quicker than a referee running over to
the sidelines and putting on a headset. There's thirty seconds
or so if you will that maybe the play can
already be reviewed. If it is a face mask call,
you don't even need you don't even need the referee
to run over. All you have to do is just

(01:29:29):
do the buzz and a referee that is watching on video,
whether it be at the stadium or at a centralized
replay place, on the Jared Goff play. And this is
this is why it's not just a Saints thing. It's
a Jared Goff thing. You see his helmet or his
face mask blatantly grabbed or touched. That is something that
is that is in my mind indisputable. When there is

(01:29:52):
an easy grab of the face mask. If the Chris
Jones swatting of Tom Brady that was not a roughing
the passer call, that is something that is easily done.
And when you're talking about the stakes that are that
are on the line, especially for an a f C
championship game or an NFC championship game, that minute, as

(01:30:15):
long as it's efficient, is going to end up making
a world of difference and won't be so bad for
the anti replay. Think it's just it goes quicker. You
get the call right, and whether it's a home team
or a road team, you're not sitting here complaining like
we are five days after the fact about a call.
There is no way gonna be overturned. I was gonna
say what we have talked about for the last five
days if if that so. You brought up an interesting

(01:30:38):
point that I haven't thought about. With the NBA, they
have the command center and they go to like, uh,
you know, you see the video of them in New
York and it feels like it's like uh, Nasa and Apollo.
Everyone's wearing a tie and it looks official. Do you
think that's part of this with the NFL is because
now that I'm thinking about it, the n b A
it's an outside party that's helping you review it. It's

(01:31:01):
you can see them visually on the TV, and I
don't really like as a consumer you can see them,
and I don't really feel like we have these issues
with NBA replay that we do NFL. Now, maybe I'm
in the heat of the moment, maybe, but if we
actually saw the ref in communication with somebody else offsite
back in the league office in New York. Does that

(01:31:22):
just change things in general? Because I do feel like
kind of what you said is that they go under
this hood. It's it's you know, he the guy is
working with other people. But it feels as though it's
a in the moment, in the stadium kind of thing
as opposed to going back to the League command center
or whatever in New York. I think it's just we
feel that the NFL isn't as transparent, that they don't

(01:31:45):
want to reveal all everything that they don't want to
reveal all the sausages made. Yet the NBA is more
than willing to. I mean, I brought up the flagrant
one last night, and if you missed it, JaVale McGee
swung his elbow around a hit Dario Saris and causing
starts to knock down. They ended up giving JaVale McGee
flagrant one, point being I saw nine different replaces of

(01:32:09):
this elbow hit Dario Saris in the face. And as
we're watching this and then they're reviewing it, and the
ref runs over to the TV booth and says, hey,
we're calling it a flagrant one. This is that's all transparent.
Guess what now, the viewer knows it. Now, the broadcast
team knows it. Now, everybody. Everybody's on the same page.
The NFL is inefficiency to handle something like this. And

(01:32:30):
you know what with with we said that, we're sick
of the Saints complaining about this. It's five days, You're
not going to replay the game. Nothing is gonna happen.
Let's move on. The NFL ends up, according to Adam Schefter,
telling Sean Payton that we felt that the referees explanation
after the game was sufficient. That is part of the problem. Now,
I don't expect Roger Goodell to release a statement after

(01:32:51):
Ben Watson calls him out. Maybe there should have been
something on Sunday or Monday that would have been more transparent.
But the point just comes back too. If the NFL
were to just figure out a way to make this efficient,
then replay isn't all that bad. We're trying to find
all these different reasons on why the NFL shouldn't have replay,
or why replay doesn't work, or why the NFL is bad,

(01:33:12):
where if you just are able to make it more efficient,
it's better for everyone involved. I don't I don't disagree.
I think there's something to seeing the n B a
throwback to New York where even though the ref on
the floor obviously has a say, is involved with the process,
but you see that outside third party on TV looking

(01:33:35):
at it from three thousand miles away, giving it a
fresh look as opposed to the person who's in the
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Is this a Lavy on bellbeat by the way, or
we found out he's moving to Miami for his rap career?
So can I get a new team? That's what say?
The uh? There is something that is that is taking

(01:34:44):
over the the NBA in social media. Do you Aaron
philam In on what we just saw on Instagram from
the world's best player? Okay, so I am apparently the
the rap slash music savant here since I referenced pit
Bull earlier. So Lebron James, we know that he is fantastic.

(01:35:04):
It's sending subtle messages through social media. So he is
on his Instagram feed at Lebron James or at King
James or whatever it is, and he's singing in the car, right.
We all do it from time to time. And yeah,
and so the beat of the song, the chorus of
the song is rewind rewind rewind Well, it's one thing

(01:35:30):
to sing it, it's another thing to tag Kyrie Irving.
Who you I don't know if you remember he played
with Lebron in Cleveland. Yeah, a couple of finals trips together.
Tags Kyrie Irving in a song where the theme, the
base the chorus is rewind rewind I'm just saying, is

(01:35:51):
Kyrie coming to l A? Is it done? I don't know,
but Lebron seems to be trying to Who covers the
NBA for The Athletic. You can find him on Twitter
at Mr Mike Gale, Senior writer for The Athletic. Michael
Lead joins us, Michael, is this something to read into
with Lebron's Instagram post today? Yeah? Ti reason Laker has

(01:36:13):
first heard on The Duck Got Leap Show. Lebron does
nothing just by chance. I mean he does everything in
a very calculated manner um one because he likes to
be attention. He likes to generate the bugs. He likes
to get people talking and uh and to um, he's
probably looking at the landscape and trying to figure out
what he's gonna be able to do to land a

(01:36:33):
superstar teammate. So um, you know, the Lakers don't really
have a lot to offer a safe for Anthony Davis trade,
and we've already you heard that. If you know Kauai,
you know in his cree agency this summer, you know
he's not gonna probably play in l a or with
the Lakers if I go to the Clippers first, or
stay in Toronto. And so you know, he's looking around,

(01:36:54):
he's trying to figure out who else uh doing on
the team up put him? And hey, why not think
I who just called the apologize a couple of days ago, Michael,
you mentioned Anthony Davis, and I just want to quick
ask you about that, because they're there. There was always
this rumor that maybe the Pelicans would trade Anthony Davis,
but I don't think, at least prior to the end

(01:37:15):
of this season, was that ever a realistic possibility that
that New Orleans would be willing to move Davis before
he even makes up his mind about wanting to sign
a long term deal with the Pelicans. Not at all.
I mean, and they have them under contract for another season,
so there's never a reason for him to be moved
to make a trade unless he comes to them and

(01:37:36):
you know, you know, makes it explicitly clear that he
doesn't want to come back or be you know, play
for them anymore. Um So I think that you know,
they hold the cards in that respect. Um, there's nothing
like It's not like he's a just grow guy who's
like complaining, you know, every day and making it untenable.
You know, not Jimmy Butler. You know, I was trying
to force his way out. Um. He's a guy who's

(01:37:57):
always made it clear that he wants to make it
work New Orleans. UM. I think that's probably, you know,
he's probably this is probably the end of him to
being able to say that for us to believe him. Um.
But I think that overall he has never said give
me out of here, and I think until he does. Um,
you try to do everything in your power to hold
onto a generational talent like that. Sticking with the absurd,

(01:38:19):
what does it mean? Theme? Kawuahi Leonard purchases a mansion
in San Diego County, probably about from l A. What
do you make of that? The real estate move from
Kawhi Leonard yesterday? Um, well, I think he knows he's
gonna make a lot of money this summer. He's already
made a lot in the NBA, but he's gonna get

(01:38:41):
really paid this summer. Um, he keeps it off seither
residents in that area, So it's not really a shock.
I mean, um, people gotta understand in the summertime, you know, guys,
you know they have places in l A, d or
that in that whole part of the country, everyone wants
to go to l A, play in hoop and rain. Um.
So I don't make anything of it in terms with

(01:39:02):
him wanting to be there permanently as a you know,
a Clipper or a Laker. Um that may very well happen.
Um that maybe how it turns out, if they know
what happens with what the Raptors do this year, because
they're going to win a championship, I think he'd be
hard for him to just say I'm out, I'm going,
I'm gonna leave. But if they lose, I mean, I
think you know, the Raptors knew that this was a gamble,
that was a possibility that he'd leave, and you know,

(01:39:24):
I think the rumors are out the minute it became
clear he wasn't on stay in San Antonio long that
he wanted to maybe play in l A. So he
grew up in you know, Riverside. So I think that
it doesn't make It's not much to really get too
excited about. But he has a place there, I mean,
he lives there anyway. Michael Lee joining us here on

(01:39:45):
Fox Sports Radio. He's Aaron Torres. I'm dan buyer. Somebody
just got an email. I think that that that that
thought I thought I was on the clock like I
was talking to It's like it's like the Oscar dude,
Like they bring out that com music because I know
that means you've entered the bonus round here on the
Duties Show, all questions now worth two points. Michael Lee

(01:40:07):
Instagram notification Michael Lee of the Athletic joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. We're three games in. I'm not
sold yet, Michael. I'm just gonna say that, but it
seems a lot of people are that the DeMarcus Cousins
experiment with the Golden State Warriors is going to work
and work with with great success. I I'm using the

(01:40:28):
caveat because I'm not a buyer, But for the first
three games in, are you sold on the DeMarcus Cousins
experiment with the Warriors? I was sold the minute he
said he was gonna play there. I mean, I think
we all pretty much expected at that moment that everyone
was playing for the second place. Um, you know, the
one thing about the Warriors that makes them just really
spectacular is that, you know, every time the league has

(01:40:49):
adjusted to him, they move on to the next thing.
So it's like this season, everyone said, hey, you know what,
let's just fully embrace Warrior ball. Let's just all shoot
a bunch of threes and then all switch everything. Let's
just let's just play like the Warriors. Like, oh, so
you guys want to play like us last year? Oh yeah,
this is how you play now. So the league is
usually behind whenever you try to copy. And the Warriors,

(01:41:12):
you know, they knew after when they were seventy three
and nine. During that whole year, they spent that entire
season recruiting Kevin Durant. They didn't just happened after the
season ended and they lost the Lebron. They were on
Durant the whole season. That's why the door was open
for him to go there. So they're always trying to
be a couple of steps ahead of everybody else. Now,
the Marcus Cousin landed their lapped by luck about Myers

(01:41:34):
didn't go pursuing him. He actually called them cold and said, hey,
I want to play for you. But it sort of
allowed them to say, Okay, while the rest of the
league's stretching it out and trying to play small ball
and trying to get big men is to sort of
play versus like Draymond Green. They're like, Okay, we were
just gonna pummel you inside now, and if you come
in there, we're gonna have two shooters out there, you know,

(01:41:55):
and and on three point line the best mid range
shooter ever, and then we're gonna have Draymond Grew just
sort of facilitating at all. So the way they're set
up now, you can't double anybody. And DeMarcus Cousins has
never been in his position probably since eighth grade, where
he's going one on one against defenders, so he's had
this opportunity now to just do whatever he wants and

(01:42:17):
if they do send a second guy, he can pass.
So he's an excellent pastor, he's a willing pastor, he's
a dominant post player, and he can also step out
of shoot three. So it's actually the perfect scenario for him.
He doesn't have to do a lot of heavy lifting,
and UF the Warriors ever need him to, he can.
So that's just that's what makes him so scary, and
that's why I think, you know, all this other stuff

(01:42:39):
we're talking about, it just uh sort of it makes
it makes it look forward to the future a lot
more than the prison because we already know how to
set it. Turn out. The last one for me the
James Harden buzz fever pitch straight games now with thirty
plus points sixty plus the other day against the next.
But also that stat of however many here points now

(01:43:01):
on unassisted, Like, where do you stand on this? Dan
and I were talking about it earlier. We think it's
pretty cool. We think it's reflective of a transcendent talent,
not any kind of ball hug or anything like that.
If you look at the way that team is structured,
the talent that they have, um, there really isn't many
other options. And for James just go one man show
and just go berserk. I mean, Chris Paul's out, but

(01:43:22):
now Clint Capella is out, and he was there for
the beginning of his run, but he's not there now.
So James sort of has to do it all, and
he wants to do it all. Really. I mean, he's
a guy that loves playing the game. He loves being
out there on the floor. He loves competing. He hates
it when he has to sit. Though. I know there's
a lot of concern about was is he gonna exhaust
himself He's gonna wear himself out with this. Well, they

(01:43:42):
don't have a choice because he doesn't exhausts himselves. It's
awes himself and wear himself out. There won't be a
playoffs for him to have any energy for um, And
that's just the way that the West is set up,
and that's what makes it so remarkable. I think then
sometimes get so caught up in the free throws and
the fouls and everything else that um that he does.
You know, get his basket, but you gotta really sit

(01:44:02):
back and just watch what he does. That step back
three pointer is the most difficult shot in the league.
He makes it better than anybody else, takes it more
than anyone else as well, and he's just the offensive machine.
He's mastered scoring and being effective while doing it. And
you can try to nitpick all you want, but everybody
knows going into the game they have to stop James

(01:44:22):
Harden and he's still coming away with fifty point games.
So I think we should just marvel at just how
great he is and not try to nippick any of
his flaws alleged Frost. Now I'm with you, Michael Lee
of the Athletic Joining Us. I'll wrap up with this
because I brought it up earlier. Do you think if
Steph Curry is doing what James Harden is doing, we're
loving it more. Yeah. I think he's probably steps is
much more likable. He has a personality. I think that

(01:44:44):
people can sort of connect to James sort of. You know,
he's got this sort of swagged out saying. He wear
the accentric clothes and he's got the crazy beard and
the little um uh fox hawk and everything. So everybody
just looks at him. If somebody is not really relatable,
steps just looks like a little kid across the street
who just got hot, you know, and starts hitting the
couple three. So you start to get behind it, you

(01:45:05):
rally behind it. I just think that James personality, and
you know, it's just one that fans just haven't connected with,
and it's one of the reasons why he's not being
revered the same way, to say something like Kobe was
when he went to Lurk in January six um he
should be, you know, hailed from what's happening right now.
But I think fans, just in their inability to connect

(01:45:25):
with him, has spent so much time just trying to
find a negativity in all of it. Great answer on
our double point round with Michael Lee of the Athletics.
Find him on Twitter at Mr Michael Lee. We appreciate it.
Michael will do it again soon. All right, thank you
very much, appreciate it. Do we know where that email
came from? Do we have Do you have any idea?
Ar John Ramos, Yes, we actually have instant information that

(01:45:46):
it came from my computer. Subject is I was gonna say,
home milk, I was gonna say, is it ikeia a
Starbucks discount? You could be honest with that. I don't know.
I just know that as from my computer. Oh. And
then the great thing was was John looked at me
and threw up his hands like, I have no idea

(01:46:07):
where it came from. I have I'm surprised he didn't say,
your father, I thought it came from Michael's email. And
then he was like, I don't know where it came from.
So there was a tense thirty seconds here in the
studio his volume would have had to have been cranked
up on the laptop because that was so clear when
it came through. He's eron Torres, I'm Dan Buyer. This

(01:46:28):
is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Michael Lee said in himself, if Steph Curry was doing it,
we would love it even more. We'll dive into some
amazing James Harden numbers and some amazing Lebron James Kyrie
Irving conspiracies that next after Isaac Loo and Grin gives
us the latest, Hello Isaac, Hello, Dan and Aaron. And yes, indeed,

(01:46:49):
NBA social media is losing it's mine right now because
Lebron James just tagged former teammate Kyrie Irving in an
Instagram video of himself singing along to a Fettie Web
song called rewind hand hint the name of the song,
rewind Let's listen to this, which Lebron posted just a

(01:47:10):
short time ago, rewon rewe ewin. It's actually not bad,
but you guys, no, no, it's not good at all.
But I will say this, at least Lebron knows the words.

(01:47:31):
Because my favorite is when a new song comes out
and he's lips sinking. He's not even close to the
words that he's bobbing his head too. But because he
has the album before everybody else does, he can put
it out there. But at least this time he knew
the lyrics not good at all? Do you mean not
good at all period? Or not good at all for athletes?

(01:47:55):
Because I was about to give you a pop quiz.
I think for an athlete sing peratively speaking, that's pretty good.
I just I would not buy that track if Lebron
James was singing. I'll just put it that way, I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying. Is this a big theme on
our show with Levy on Bell going to Miami too
continue his rap career? So okay, Well, with that in mind,

(01:48:16):
I actually have a quick pop quiz for you two
or game. I don't have more stories a second, so
I'm gonna play you an athlete singing another song. This
is a song by you two. I want you to
guess who that athlete is. Listen to this and he

(01:48:45):
guesses it sounded a little Tim Tebow to me. Dan,
I was gonna say, Steph Curry, would you believe that
was Tom Brady? I would believe it was Tom Brady.
As a matter of fact, he is not quitting his
day job. But that video of Lebron burning up NBA
social media. In fact, Mark Stein, as you guys know,
a very highly respected NBA reporter of The New York Times,

(01:49:08):
just tweeted, are Braun and Kyrie the new shock and
Kobe as in they broke up too soon and they
already know it? Unquote. I was gonna say, I like
the New York Times, the most distinguished newspaper in the world,
going with the Instagram subtle messaging. What does it all meant? Lebron?
The NFL. Multiple outlets report that the NFL find Ram's

(01:49:29):
quarterback Nickel Robie Coleman twenty six thousand, seven hundred thirty
nine dollars for his helmet to helmet hit on the
Saints Tommy Lee Lewis, the infamous Nola no call. NFL
media reports Robie Coleman will appeal the fine. Golfing around
two of the Farmers Insurance Open, Justin Rose has a
two shot lead at fourteen under par overall. Today, He's

(01:49:51):
five under through thirteen tiger Woods. Ten shots back. Today,
he shot at two under seventy four, the second consecutive day.
Back to Dan Buyer and Aaron to we're sitting in
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We are in for Doug Gottliy Bureau on Fox Sports Radio.
Thank you very much, Isaaca. Just another note I want
to pass on social media wise, Michael Thomas of the
Saints is posting up gifts of one from sister sister
when Tia and Tamara are yelling at Roger and there

(01:50:37):
seems to be it's not. I don't think it's a
Roger Stone thing. I think it's a Roger Goodell thing
for the Saints. But Michael Thomas going after the commission
another one saying, you know, come on, Roger. So there
is that on social media. You know who should have
done better? Drew Brees and the Saints on Sunday. That's
who should have done better. That's correct, that is that
is spot on there the Saints still holding on. Listen.

(01:50:59):
I wanted the scene to win that game. Sorry, John Ramos.
I just I thought the aesthetics of the Super Bowl
and seeing Drew Brees and the gold of the black
that that would have been great for the for the
Super Bowl. I'm still done with the Saints complaining about
that play like I'm over and I don't feel bad anymore.
Just let it go. It was an awful call. Move on,
but the Saints just aren't letting it go. I don't disagree.

(01:51:22):
I don't I don't even know what we would have
talked about for the last five days. Lebron would have
had to send this tweet out about four days ago
to get us talking, because I don't know what we
would have talked about with that. Would Kyrie leave to
go and rejoin Lebron James. I think it's so fascinated
that this has become a topic because they had one
phone call, and I understand the Celtics are struggling a

(01:51:45):
little bit, but I find it really he's got his
own team, He's the guy. He knows the pressure of
playing with Lebron unless either wants out of Boston, whether
he wants to be in l A for the whole
movie thing, Uncle Drew. That's one thing I don't see it.
I don't think it's no I I I don't think
at all. I don't think that. I don't think that

(01:52:06):
he wants to team up with Lebron. I don't think
he should team up with Lebron again. I think you
are trying to recapture the magic. It's like if I
know you're engaged, I'm married. Everybody here is either married
or engaged. But if you've ever had an X that
you're like, you know what, let's give it a shot again.

(01:52:27):
Ninety Nine out of a hundred times it doesn't work out. Okay,
maybe they'll be the one time where it works out
and you can reclaim that magic. Most times, when it's over,
it's over. And that's where I think that with Lebron
and Kyrie is if they would get together, even if
it would work eron, it wouldn't be the same of
bringing a title to Cleveland. If your Kyrie, you would
then be accepting that you can't do it yourself. Which

(01:52:50):
even if he doesn't, it's a lot better than just
accepting of being Okay, I guess I need I need
to have the world's greatest player to help me bring
a title. And then if you win it while playing
with the Lakers, you know, the Laker fans are so
spoiled with success that they just expect to win all
the time that I don't think you would even get
the the grandiose excitement that you would of winning in Cleveland,

(01:53:14):
so you couldn't top that. I just think would be
an awful mix if it were to ever come to
the point where Kyrie and Lebron teamed up again. Yeah,
and I do think there's something to be said about
Kyrie having his own team. This is why he asked
out of Cleveland. And by the way, Kyrie did not
ask out of Cleveland to go to a contender. If
you remember, he put together a list of about five teams,

(01:53:34):
and I think the Knicks were in it, the Nets
were in it. He make care. He just wanted out.
He wanted his own team. And so the idea that
he basically comes back and says, Okay, I realize it's
harder without a guy like Lebron One, it sets up
the situation where again he's playing second fiddle. Two. It
also sets up to the point where he's admitting I
couldn't do it myself. The only thing I would say, Lebron.

(01:53:56):
We spent the last three weeks talking about this groin injury.
What is it mean? Is this the start of Lebron's downfall?
That I do think there's something to be said about
maybe Lebron selling I'm gonna pass you the torch your you.
It might not be you the center of attention now,
but I'm here for four years. I'm gonna be thirty seven,
thirty eight by the time this thing is over. Maybe

(01:54:19):
it becomes like a Kareem passing it to magic kind
of thing. I'm not saying it would happen. I'm just
saying maybe that's what the cell is. He's Aaron Torres,
I'm Dan Pier. We are written for Doug Gottlieb here
on The Doug Gottlieb Show. And just to wrap up
the point about the NBA, when we were talking with
Michael Lee and talking about James Harden, I'm sick of
people piling on and trying to hate on the Houston Rockets.
And trying to hate on what James Harden has done.

(01:54:40):
I understand sometimes those things are an acquired taste, and
when you're not winning titles, it's maybe a little bit
more difficult to like. And as Michael Lee said, he's
got the beard, he's he's got his he's got a
sly attitude if you will, maybe not is people have
more difficult time to warm up to him as they
do the Steph Curry. Keep this in mind, James Harden
still fourth in the league and assists. His team was

(01:55:03):
out of the playoff picture last month. They are now
fifth in the Western Conference, all without Clint Capella and
Chris Paul, and during Chris Paul's seventeen game at since,
the Rockets have gone eleven and six with wins over
the Spurs, Thunder, Celtics, Warriors, and Nuggets. Yet you want
to pile on James Harden for scoring so much because

(01:55:23):
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was aggressive, little Friday edge to you your head into Atlanta.
You got you. You're just ready to hit the guys.
I never know what's gonna what I'm gonna do on
a Friday. Yeah, you never know. It's pretty pretty unpredictable.
If you will, I will say, I will say, there
is something bizarre about when you set up the argument

(01:56:04):
the way that you did, in that the team is
vastly improved win loss wise. He's doing it without the
other quote unquote stars on the team. What is the alternative? Like,
what is what are we gonna do? What are we
gonna do? We're gonna get whoever fill in the blanket.
Let's yeah, let's get p J. Tucker more touches exactly. Yeah,
let's let's figure out Austin Rivers has got to develop

(01:56:26):
what doesn't make any sense. And they are, as we've discussed,
and we discussed at the top of the show, they
are a team that it is NBA Finals or bust.
There is no middle ground, there is no getting to
the second round. Pat on the back. You had a
good season. They're doing what they have to do to
get in position to make the run late. Chris Paul
is coming back. I assume these numbers shift quite a

(01:56:46):
bit when they get more out. He's aeron Torres. I'm
Dan Buyer. Find us on Twitter. I'm at Dan Buyer
on Fox. Get Aaron at Aaron Underscore. Torres has Jimmy
Butler already worn out as welcome in Philadelphia. Find out next.
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He's eron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug. Doug
will be back on Monday because we're live from Super

(01:57:30):
Bowl fifty three in Atalanta. Yes, super Bowl Week will
be here. Doug will have the best guests around the
best show topics. We are getting set for a great
week in Atlanta. But right now, let's get to it
with the press. Our friend is is a glowing kron
running down the stories of the day in sports, and

(01:57:52):
a little of this and a little events. Hello Isaac,
Hello guys. Longtime sportswriter Jackie McMullen was on the Low
Post Pot cast with basketball hipster Zach Low talking about
the seventies Sixers and Jimmy Butler when she said, quote,
I think he's on thin ice. I don't know him
well enough to know is it real or is it bravado?

(01:58:13):
This whole idea that I'm going to take everyone on,
I can tell you having spent a couple of days
in Philadelphia, they don't love it. Unquote Jimmy Butler wearing
out his welcome, which was brought up a couple of
weeks ago. I think Jimmy Butler would be happy in
the j b L, which is the Jimmy Butler League,
whether it's one team that has one player and that's him.

(01:58:36):
But I mean, this is this seems to be par
for the course, very much so. And it's I don't
get like he's not good enough to pull these antics
right like like he he has. His story is incredible,
junior college, no scholarship offers out of high school. But
it's gotten to the point where this is team number three.

(01:58:59):
Patience is wearing thin. At some point, the attitude just
has to change. I'm just curious as to what the
next step is. Do they try to trade him before
that contracts up? Is he going to get that contract?
What's to do? Each stay would be shorter than the next,
Like I mean it was. It was a month ago
where he was praising his new teammates and throwing the
Timberwolves under the bus. And now how quickly things have changed.

(01:59:22):
Jimmy Butler, what a headache. This is Pro Bowl Sunday,
of course Super Bowl Sunday. The NFL will use the
Pro Bowl to test several game day innovations, including optical
performance testing, the new prison football shield to enhance player
vision on the field, multiple coach to player on field communications,

(01:59:47):
meaning that instead of just one player being able to
communicate in the helmet with the coach on the sideline,
it will be more than one player on each side
of the ball. New camera angles, adjustments to the game
clock and the play clock player, Upton's wired for audio,
and a three hundred sixty degree camera under the goal
post with a view of the entire back line of

(02:00:08):
the end zone. So those among the game day innovations
that will be tested at the Pro Bowl. And a
related story, Saints fans say, we got some ideas for
game day innovations for you guys to try. Okay, if
I had to take away the first down line or
pylon cam, which one would you keep or would you

(02:00:29):
take away? It has to be the pylon cam and
not because I'm not a big pylone cam guy, huge
pylon camp fan, but it's used six eight times. At
good point, what would life be without the first down mark?
Would I'd just be walking in the desert without water
without the first down mark? I agree, it's magnificent. It is.

(02:00:52):
It is great. Pylone cam. As great as it is,
I have to agree with you, how did we live
before the first down line? Millennials these days? I have
no idea what I wanted to tweet, and I just
I'm not sure how to phrase it, but meaning of
Aaron you may actually be too young, but of things
from sports that you remember when you were a kid,
Like if you say ten minute ticker. Oh, yes, yes,

(02:01:16):
like someone, yeah, someone our age remembers, but not Aaron's age.
Ten minute ticker was one of the best this weekend
Baseball NBA inside style. Of course, we know that the
Cowboys have Dak Prescott, a quarterback, Ezekiel Elliott the running back,
and receiver a Marii Cooper. They're starting in certain circles

(02:01:37):
to be dubbed a new set of triplets, but one
of the original triplets does not necessarily agree with that characterization.
Legend and uh legend. Emmett Smith told NFL dot com. Quote,
there are no triplets. You gotta build up to the triplets.
You just can't anoint somebody that the triplets because you
get a wide receiver or running back at a quarterback

(02:02:00):
performance dictates whether or not you're a triplet. Unquote. No
comment yet from former NFL referee Jeff Triplet. By the way,
I am on team Emmett Smith on this one. We're
talking about three Hall of famers, three transcendent position, three
transcendent players at their position. In that early nineties mid
nineties Cowboys. We have one Hall of Fame potential type

(02:02:23):
player and Zeke Elliott I am so on board with them.
And here's my question to wrap it up. Okay, I
don't know if you guys can answer this. How about
them cowboys out there? That was the press. We used
to do a segment called d a Q here on
Fox Sports Radio. Dumb Ask Questions basically is what it was,

(02:02:44):
and that would have been one of them. How about
them cowboys? That that's how you could have done. Hey,
Aaron's been fun. Thank you. You've got Arnie Spanier teaming
up with eleven o'clock Eastern tom Saturday night. Then you're
gonna be back again doing some work on Sunday. I
will be with Arnie on Sunday at eleven pm Eastern again.
You can hear me tomorrow four Eastern time, and then
nine o'clock Eastern time Sunday morning, getting a set for

(02:03:05):
that Pro Bowl. We'll talk to you next week in Atlanta.

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