The Patriot Way & Bears TE Zach Miller

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the Jewish Day of Atonement, and uh, yes, I atone. No,
I do not take the day off work, But I
think the Pittsburgh Steelers and other teams are gonna start
need to atone for their sins. And the sin is
basically the following I'm i'm I'm looking at this Belichick book,

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which is written by Ian O'Connor, and it's one of
those books to which there's no direct quotes to Bell Check,
no direct quotes to Tom Brady. But he interviewed like
three fifty different people, and you put together enough and
you kind of get a sense of what's going on.
And the juxtaposition of what's going on in New England

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and what's going on in Pittsburgh is fascinating. But it's
as simple as as this. Everything Bill Belichick does, the
way in which he acts at the podium, the way
in which he treats his best players, the way which
he now he motivates his team but prepares them for

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the following week a game by game basis the pragmatism
that he implores everything is to prevent just what's happening
in Pittsburgh. Don't get me wrong, there are other factors
that are going against the Pittsburgh Steelers right, other factors
losing Ryan Shazi, the leader of the sergeant Hulk of

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the big toe of your defense. That's gonna derail any
team that's linebackers may not be as important as they
used to be, especially traditional linebackers. But look at the
Carolina Panthers when they've lost Luke Kickley, look at the
Dallas Cowboys when they've lost Shawn Lee. And look at

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the Pittsburgh Steelers since they've lost Ryan Chase. Here it's
a different group. But then you look at the Patriots,
and I mean, I can congratulate you if you can
name more than two or three starters in the defensive
side of the ball. I don't think they're particularly good.
No one thinks they're particularly good. They just got lit

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up by the Jacksonville Jaguars. D. D Westbrooks gonna join
US wide receiver sixty one yards to the house the
game uh finishing touchdown for the Jacksonville Jaguars. D is
gonna join us. I think third hour of the show.
The point is they go into Jacksonville. The Jaguars don't
have Leonard four Nette, don't have their top wide receiver.

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I mean at DD started the year as a second
team dude, and they get blown out by Blake Bordles
lead without his star running back offense. That's what happened.
And though you heard Tom Brady screaming on the sidelines
because he just was was ticked off. And then they

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go out and they trade for Josh Gordon, I'm there
a little bit of a mess. But do you hear
any words of discontent? Are there any Patriots not showing
up at work? And if you had to bet on
a team turning around the ship, a one in one
Patriots team. Remember the Dolphins, whatever you think of them,

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are two and out. And by the way, the Dolphins
shed themselves the big name and big egoes of Jarvis
Landry and a Dominican Sioux among others. Going back to
last season, they got rid of the running back with
with a couple of weeks to go in the season
he won a Super Bowl. And the Dolphins appear to
be better with less names than they were last year.

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But say what you want about the Dolphins being to
know the idea is this. If you had to bet
on the Patriots or Steelers being there at the end
of the year based on everything you read, everything you see,
and how they're both playing. In spite of the fact
that the Patriots one and one and the Steelers are
one oh and one, you had a bit your life's
savings on it. Who'd you bet on? Mike Freeman from

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Blacher Report says that NFC an NFC South assistant says
that essentially the inmates run the asylum. Mike tomins a
very good coach, one of the elite coaches of this generation,
but he's lost the locker room because the players have
too much power. And then I read this from the
Bill Belichick book. If you're married eighteen years to a
grouchy person who gets under your skin and never compliments you,

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after a while, you want a divorce, a source with
knowledge of the Brady Belichick relationship told ESPN's Ian O'Connor,
author of Belichick making it the greatest football coach of
all time, Tom knows Bill is the best coach in
the league. He's had enough of him. If Tom, if
Tom could, I think he would divorce him. But in

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the end, even if he wanted to, Brady could not
walk away from the game. He could not ask for
a trade. The moment Belichick moved Garoppolo to San Francisco
and banked on Brady's off stated desire to play at
least into his mid forties was the moment Brady was
virtually locked into suiting up next season and beyond. He
had had he retired or requested a trade, he would

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have risked turning and turning uh and enduring New England
public into an angry mob. New England assistant said. The
general feeling among staff members around the time wasn't that
Belichick system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks that have all
thirty two NFL starters, But if you give us any

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of the top fifteen, we could do it. I don't
think the coach's view Tom as special as everyone else
in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest
gift ever, but the coaches don't. Actually, I've heard that
of a lot of people in the NFL. Tom Brady
is unbelievable. The line of scrimmage, he's unbelievable and his preparredness,
but there's nothing special about his athleticism. His arm is

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so so. He's a great fit for that system and
they do a great job with him. But he has
a fraction to the town of Aaron Rodgers. They are
better together than they are apart. And the way in
which the Bob McNair last year gotten got in trouble
for what do you say, the inmates run The inmates
don't run the prison, and people freaked out, But it's

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an expression that's as old as time. Inmates can't run
the asylum, or the prison, or the players. It cannot
be a player run organization. That's not the way football works.
Egos get involved, feelings get hurt, and the The Pittsburgh
Steelers appeared to be on the brink of an epic

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and complete disastrous season. Ben Roethlisberger has never been pulling
in the same direction as Mike Tomlin. He finally got
the offensive coordinator he wants, but he doesn't have Levian Bell.
And if you wonder why they didn't go out and
add defensive help, that's because they're on the hook to
Levy on Bell. Whenever he wants to sign that fourteen
million dollar tender, Well, why don't In the meantime, why

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don't they go out and sign defense players? One nobody's available,
and two they had to earmark that money for the franchise. Tag.
The franchise tag does in fact penalize the team, not
just a player. And then they locked up Antonio Brown,
who is arguably the best wide receiver in the game,

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to a contract which pays him like the best wide
receiver in the game. But there's a dude who lacks discipline.
He liked the personal self discipline to not go on
social media during a player's only meeting after a game.
He's like a lot of personal self discipline in terms
of what he said and how he's let us in.
And that's what the Patriots are about. They're about sacrifice,

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they're about discipline, They're about team. They're about an organization
before they are about themselves. And that's why if I
asked you right now, you had to bet your entire
year's salary on one team, one team to make it
to the a f C Championship game, you can only
pick the Steelers or the Patriots. Who are you gonna pick?

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Nine of you are going to pick the Patriots. The
one other one percent of you are just going to
pick the Steelers out of spite. So I read it
and you're like, yeah, you know, h he's not nice
to me. He doesn't treat me, well, yeah, but you

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got to start a quarterback worked in a new bonus
for you this year, gonna build a team around You're
gonna continue to find pieces to try and kind of
figure it out. And everyone saying, wow, I want a divorce.
Whether they're staying together for the kids or staying together
for the fans, it doesn't matter. They're staying together. And

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at one and one and an unimpressive win over the
Texans and a depressing loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, you
don't see any of the discontent you see in Pittsburgh,
who's oh one in one and feels like a smoldering
dumpster fire in spite of the fact that they got
a two time super winning quarterback, they got an elite
wide receiver. Eventually they'll get Levan Bell, and they got

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a coach who's never had a season which he's finished
below five. The reason Bill Belichick is the way he
is is so that he isn't like the Pittsburgh's deilers.
Oh he's gonna join us next. Oh cool, I thought D. D.

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Westbrook was gonna join us later on the show. That's awesome.
Let's talk to that team that took down the Patriochs.
Over the weekend they played in the a f C
Championship game. But it was was much different. Uh, it
never really felt close athletically, and Blake Bortles was magnificent.
Is Blake different? Did the game plan change when for
Net wasn't gonna play? And why did in D D.

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Westbrook go up into the stands? You know they got
a pool in Jacksonville. You get done, scored a touchdown
sixty one yards of the house, Runnu popp in the pool.
I'll ask him DD Westbrook of the two and oh
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Une ten to the five end touchdown portals to d. D.

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Westbrook for the touchdown that call on the jack Jacksonville
Jaguars Radio Networks Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Let's
take you to j VIL jackson too, and oh dominated
the Patriots. Uh, it was only a twenty four thirteen
leads seven a half to go fourth quarter. You heard
that call and then they found D. D. Westbrook over

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the middle. He just ran away, got some great blocking
from teammates downfield, really good play design as well. D D.
Westbrook joins us on the Doug collage, So I want
to get to that play in a moment, d D.
But coming into Sunday's game, what were your honest thoughts
on the matchup with the Pats. Oh, I mean we
knew come into it were where a better team. You know,

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going out there, we knew we were gonna have to
be man coverage, and we knew that their defensive backs
wasn't going to be able to run with the receivers,
and of course our offensive unit and at the end
of the day, it was just all up to us
going out there and executing. Uh. All that being said,
um like, look, we look and you know you're without
well who would be considered wide receiver. One right, you're

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looking and and Leonard Fournett, who is your workhorse running back,
he doesn't play. Um was was the game plan the
same at game time as it was leading up to
the game. With those of us in the outside not
knowing who you're running back would be most definitely. Uh,
we kept the same game plan because we know the
simple fact that we have you know, tons of running

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backs that can go out there and get the job
done just as well as we have receivers. The Keeling
catches kind of out out showing out, shadowing your your
your sixty one yard catching run. You realize, all right,
like Heiling has to show off and catch the ball
at one hand. Man, it was necessary in that play
to catch you with one hand, but I mean he
went full Odell Beckham Jr. With it. You realize that's

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overshadowing your great performance. Oh no, it's not overshadowing at all.
You know at the end of the day, Uh, where
receivers were playmakers and that's what we do. We go
out there and we make those spactacular players. And that's uh,
running a sixty one yarder for a touchdown or grabbing
about out of ever one hand. You know, you gotta
do whatever you gotta do to put the team in
position to win football game. Did Westbrook joining us in

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the Dug Out Lip Show Fox Sports Radio? Coming to
week one, you were listed with the second unit. Of course,
you had five catches lad the team. What's this season
been like for you leading up to it where you're
kind of you're just trying to fight for for snaps,
fight for reps so you can fight for all those receptions.
What's it been like for you personally? Uh, you know,
it's been big. It's been huge, you know, but last

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year coming to it, I just pretty much stacked up
games from last year going into this year having that
one year of experience, and I know this year it's
gonna be big for me. It's gonna be huge in
order for the two young guys. When when I said that,
I mean me and Keeling to go out there and
perform at the best of our act that yeah, we
know that the team need us. And so that's just
the one game down we still have. She's fourteen more

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to go, you know, plus playoffs. So at the end
of the day, we gotta keep stacking these practices together.
You know each and every day we go out there
and we compete with the team with the defensive with
the defensive players, and we got to go out there
and make place. What about what about Blake? I mean, look, Blake,
There's been so many questions I think nationally about Blake,
about the level of commitment to Blake from the coaching

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staff because of and the first half of the f
C Championship game, it seemed, at least to us, like
there was a different Blake Bortles on Sunday. What about
inside that huddle, on that office and on the sidelines.
Is Blake any different? I mean, Blake is Blake, you know.
And when I say that, I mean like he's the
laughing tight He want to go out there and compete

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each and every play, and he wants us to win.
You know, he has faith in us the same way
that we have faith in him. And we know when
we take the field, whoever it is that we're playing,
we're going to get the best of them, and so
we gotta be ready to go out there a compete
and be on our a game as well. Uh. Tom
Brady after the game, he seemed to say, hey, look,
we'll figure some stuff out. We're just kind of learning.
The Patriots kind of have this way to where they're like,

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you know, we're still the Patriots. But I mean, look,
you didn't mince words. You think you're better, you know
you're better, and based upon based on the game Sunday,
it's not really close in terms of who's better. What's
your takeaway from the Patriots seemingly brushing off the dominance
that your team showed on the field in Jacksonville. I mean,

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of course that's bound that happened, you know, coming from
the O Jaguars, And I'm sure people still have that
stuck in their mind of how, you know, the Jaguars
used to play on how we really wasn't that good
and don't want to accept the fact that we're as
good as we are now, you know. And so I
can see that. But at the end of the day,
like I said, it's going to take us con to
go out there in practice, um compete at the highest

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level and go win football games, and soon the world
would know that we are who I guess my only
question is when is somebody gonna score touchdown? Run up
and hopping that pool, especially as hot as it was Sunday,
any thoughts of hopping in the pool. You score sixty
one yard catch and run kind of the dagger you
finish off the Patriots, why not climb up in the
stands and take a dip man. That's a far far clomb,

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you know. I mean, it would be more reasonable if
it was like two or three holes up. But you
gotta go maybe sixteen flights of steps in order to
get in that pool, and it's a hundred and five
degrees that side. So I don't know if that's smart. Yeah,
I guess especially here in your cleats too, you might
slip when you're running up, but just it's really dangerous
to do. So, what was there a moment last year

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where you felt like, dude, I belong. I mean, I
know you've always you go back to your your last
season in Oklahoma. You were dominant, and yet in order
to pay your position, you have to have confidence. But
was there I belong in this league for a long
time moment last season or did it? Wait? Was that
not until this year? Uh? None of this year? You know,
last year, it being my Ricky year, I was pretty hesitant,

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you know. Uh, I wanted to make those plays, but
didn't really really know how and if I was in
that position, you know, to do the things that I
was doing at the University of Oklahoma to of course
expand plays and make it happen. But now I can see,
uh you know that the offensive coordinator trust me enough
to go out there and find a way to make
those big complaints. Did uh? Uh? You know you realize

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that you've thrown more balls in a game than um
Baker has. I mean that's like, statistically, you've had more
pass attempts in an NFL game then then Baker Mayfield has.
That's just for right now. Uh so for right now. Yeah,
I guess I could say that it was great? Did
did he said that? Does? Is he aware? Um? Like,

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is he aware of your passing numbers? I mean negative
six is not exactly what you're looking for, But is
he aware of your ability to throw football? Uh? Yeah,
he's very aware. We had played at the University of
Oklahoma where I was going the FOOTBA but you know,
most of the times that was running it. But I
used to warm up with the quarterbacks. Oh you so, yeah,
he's very aware. Wait, so, how how good are your

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throwing skills? Very good? I can I can play quarterback
at my junior in college, I was a second string quarterback. Yeah,
but yeah, yeah, I heard your more zone read and
you'd like to keep it more than ever. You know,
it was a lot of R p O, but it
was more. It was more run and run to me option.
There wasn't a lot of pass options. I'm just looking
at the scattering report on d I'm just being right,

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right right, You're you're most definitely right. But at the
end of the day, if that opportunity is there for
me to tell the ball, you guys believe I was
throwing it, no question, especially they go Philly special. But
I guess it'd be called like oh you special or
d D Special when you guys, when you guys run, Hey, listen,
I know you got Tennessee coming in this week. Another
playoff team from last year. The challenges keep coming. We

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appreciate you joined us in the Doug Outlet show. Oh
thank you so much. Pleasures mind DDI Westbrook, great player
at Oklahoma and starting to figure out how to fit
in with this Jack some Mille Jaguars offense, and as
Ryan Music tweeted at me on Sunday, the Jaguars do
in fact have a bunch of dudes. We've always known,
they've had dudes on defense, starting to put together dudes
on offense. It's bringing Dan Buyer. A lot going on

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in the world of sports. Yeah, and there's day baseball,
and I think at least some of it meaningful. Yeah. Yeah,
we'll get to that sec. But one of those dudes
you're talking about, Leonard four Nets. Uh, he's back at
practice today for the Jaguars, So another boost for Jacksonville.
I like by the way that you say jaguars. I
say jaguars, but um, the Brits they say jaguar, yes,

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and neither of us saying jag wires, which you hear
quite a bit. But yeah, how about that. Leonard Fournette,
back with a hamstring injury, didn't play against the Patriots,
missed the entire second half against the New York Giants,
but looking better for Week three against the Tennessee Titans. Steelers.
Water Sea ber Antonio Braun was at the team's facility
today after missing Monday's meetings, and at film session. It's

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Ben Roethlisberger on his apparently frustrated wide receiver is the
best in the world, and uh, you're the best in
the world. You want to help participate, You want to
win football games, and we're all though, frustrated because we're
not winning right now. Yeah, Steelers oh one and one.
On the season of the Buccaneers coming up on Monday night,
you mentioned that important baseball Braves and Cardinals just wrapped

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up from Atlanta. Atlanta getst the seven to three wins,
so St. Louis has lead on the Rockies down to
a game for the final wild card in the National League.
Timberwolves card Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the team.
Butler reportedly give the timber Wolves a list of three
teams that he'd like to sign a contract extension with.
ESPN says though those teams are the Clippers, Nuts and

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Nick's as Butler cannopt out of his contract after the
upcoming season. Doug fast thing right, how quickly that went downhill? Um?
I believe I said it was going downhill yesterday? Didn't
I went because he was my my take? Now, I
knew that that team had dysfunction and chemistry issues we
discussed in show last year. But this there was supposed

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to be a meaning today in the Twin Cities, and
instead Tom Thibodeau is like, I gotta go on a plane,
go out and fly out and see him in l
a like a day or earlier. Like, oh, that's not
that doesn't feel like it's a good thing at all.
And remember his contracts up, as you pointed out da
at the end of this year, so he would be
up for an extension. I don't think. I think Jimmy

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Butler is a massively overrated player, massively overrated. And I
think he's also one of those guys who though his
intentions are to be kind of a culture changing player,
and he's been plopped into a Karl Anthony Towns who's
a really bright dude, um, but a different kind of
guy to where he doesn't you know, he he just

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he has a lot of interest. Some of them are
basketball is, some of them are in life. One of
the one of the uh, one of the tough parts
about supreme intelligence is you kind of get distracted. We
talked about this with Josh Rosen. There's a there's a
feeling that he's got a little bit of a Kyrie
irving to where he's very bright, has a lot of interest,

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not really invested in the Twin Cities. You know, likes
to play, likes to win, but it's it's not his life.
Whereas Jimmy Butler is a hell he will he will
tear your heart out to win a game. On the
other hand, he is really the third best talent on
that roster, and when he's put into a on roster

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where he has to be the number one, the go
to guy, he's just not that good. And then you
got uh, Andrew Wiggins, who everyone thinks is immensely talented,
maybe the most talented guy on that roster, but he
could just kind of disappears and not seeing as having
any dog in him. So the breakthrough thing here is,

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and stick with me for a second, what was what
was announced Sunday Sunday night, Monday night, a Monday night,
and then Tuesday this meeting seemed to go awry, and
then Wednesday, Jimmy Butler suddenly wants to be a Clipper.
Do you guys remember what happened Monday night? Lee Jenkins

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leave Sports Illustrated suddenly goes to the Clippers. Now I'm
not saying that Lee Jenkins is the lynchpin. Remember you
got Jerry West, Doc Rivers, Lee Jenkins um and you
have some others on that. Uh, Rex Colmanian is their
new kind of defensive coordinator. Rex was in Oklahoma City

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for years years and was in Detroit last year. Like
you have all of these things kind of coming together.
And Lee Jenkins Sunday just so, Monday just happens to
take the job with the Clippers. Tuesday, this meeting goes awry,
and Wednesday he wants to be a Clipper and Netta

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Nick huh interesting. And the Nets have said Steve Mills
has said, like, look, we've learned from the Carmelo Anthony thing.
We're not trading away any of our young assets to
go and get established players that we can get in
free agency. The Nets have moved mountains and taken on
some bad contracts to find to put themselves in a
place where they're going to start to be more competitive.

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But this is super interesting. Yes, Ryan Music. So when
you say you think Jimmy Butler is wildly overrated, is
he the type of player where if he's your second
best player, you can be a championship team or does
he really mean he's gonna be your third best It's
gotta be your third best player. If he's your third
best player, you can win championship and like why is that?

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Is it because he can't shoot or is he just
he's just he's like a jack of all trades, a
master of none. Right, he's his This is again, this
is what happens. Though. Here's a guy that goes from
he was actually homeless for a time in his life. Right,
you go the story. The story is unbelievable. And he's
tough and he's versatile. He shoots a little bit better

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than your thought he'd shoot. He scores a little bit
better than your thought he'd score. But you just can't
give him the ball and say, hey, dude, go win
us a game. Just not like remember Cleveland's team, it
was it three years ago, that one and they had
Kyrie and Lebron, Like those are their two best players.
Like if he's your third best player, like you're really good.

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Not Kyrie and he's not Lebron. It's just not I mean,
match him up against the Warriors. He's not Staff and
he's not Kevin Durant. He's not Staff and you know
he plays both ends. Allah a Clay Thompson, Like Clay,
If Clay Thompson's your best player, you're not a championship
team is your second best player. You're a playoff team,
you're a third best player, Like now you're a championship team.

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That's kind of where he fits in. So and again,
the problem with this stuff is there's only so much money.
There's only so many basketballs. I don't think he fit
in with in terms of how much they want to
pay him. I don't think he'd fit in with them
in terms of their personalities. And then you have like

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Tom Thibodeau has got this group of bench players that
are from his like two thousand eleven Chicago Bulls team,
Like sure, we'll take lu All Dang and Derrick Rose
and we got Jimmy Butler and like, let's and then
when you mix it in with like a two thous
eighteen Timberwolves team, is a weird. And the thought is
that he would work with with TIBs. But he was

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supposed to be the guy calming the locker room down.
The problem with being that guy is everyone knows you're
the eyes and ears of the coach and they don't
trust you. And if teammates don't trust each other, you
don't really have a team. So somebody's gonna get a
really good player. The question is what do they have
to give up to get him? And I think the

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only fascinating thing with the Lakers, as they're not named
as one of those three teams, is should they have
held onto that lu all dang deal that they that
they bought out. They used the stretch provision and bought out.
Now he's in Minnesota, Like, had they known that earlier,
maybe they could have made this trade and dealt that

(29:10):
bad contract away. So is this clearly just an ego
thing with Jimmy Butler Where I think it's a mixture
of things. I think it's his ego not mixing with
the ego of their two young stars. I think it's
TIBs is a guy that wears dudes out and he
was he had to be the tips defender at all times.
And then I think it's he wants a super Max

(29:31):
steal or he he wanted a contract, he want was
open to a contract extension with them, and they're like,
we like you, but there's forever hamstring us and what
we can do in the future. I think it's all
three of those facts. I don't know if I don't
think it's one thing. I don't think it's like he
doesn't like Carl Towns and and he doesn't think that
Wiggins is, you know, tough enough, and so he's out.

(29:55):
Do I think those two things are accurate. I do.
Doesn't mean it's the only reason he's out. I think
there's there's several reasons. Why do you see this as
a situation where kind of like um, Carmelo Anthony, I
think you've said that that can sometimes be additioned by subtraction. Earlier,
you just said that you think that Carl Towns and
Andrew Wiggins just from a physical talent perspective, they can

(30:20):
be better and have a more upside than a Jimmy Butler.
They can they can score, they can I think Wiggins
can score more, and I think Carl Anthony town should
be statistically a better player. But you have to have
kind of the toughness and versatility and just tenacity and
competitiveness that you have in Jimmy Butler. So I don't
think this is addition by subtraction. I think this would

(30:40):
be subtraction by subtraction. But let's see what they can get,
you know, what they can get around him. I don't
think they're worse for losing Zach Levine for example. Yes,
Dan Buyer, does anybody like Jimmy Butler like players because
supposedly Kyrie Irving and him are boys. That's part of that,
that's part of the deal, and that supposedly he and

(31:04):
he and carry your boy. His track record isn't the
greatest because if you look at this most recent time
in Minnesota, as you mentioned, maybe friction between the players.
Remember then there was the time that he and Dwayne
Wade called out the younger players when then Rondo shot
back at them. Then when he was up and coming
with the Bulls, I'm not sure he was a good
fit there. So you're not You're not wrong. And there's

(31:28):
some guys that play with him. Marquette that there was
the story of what's he's with the Jazz Now he
was traded to the from Celtics to the Calva. Crowder
Jay Crowder like Jay Crowder and him hate each other.
They cannot be on the same team. So yeah, I
mean there's one, you know. And so sometimes Russell Wilson,

(31:51):
Russell Wilson's this way when I try to tell people
that like Russell Wilson's one of those guys that if
you have a conversation with Russell Wilson, You're like, man,
I love Russell Wilson. Why doesn't it? But eis in
league don't love Russell Wilson. I'm not saying all of them,
but a healthy portion of them do not like Russell Wilson.
So I don't know it's magic water or some of

(32:11):
the other stuff, but who knows, but they just don't
like him. And I would say there's a good amount
of dudes that aren't in on Jimmy. But um so, yeah,
the story goes that Kyrie like that Kyrie and Himmer type.
Doesn't mean that that's accurate. Sometimes though, we we fall

(32:32):
in love with the story and it clouds us on
the player where it clouds us on the coach Chuck Bagano, Right,
Bruce Arians was a better coach in Chuck Begano. Chuck
Bogano got his first coaching job, comes over from the
Baltimore Ravens, he gets sick with cancer, Chuck Strong and
Chuck Begano, by the way, is a great guy, one

(32:53):
good coach. And so then they're like, I guess we
gotta give him his job back, right, they give his
job back. They're never as good as they necessarily should
have been. They didn't looked all that well, coach, and
ultimately they got rid of them. But we love the
Chuck Pogano story. This happens a lot. We love the
story and it clouds us in terms of it. And

(33:15):
then there's the other side where sometimes we don't like
the story, we don't like the guy, and we're like,
we forget that. Sometimes they're better players than the story. Actually, John,
is John Gruden starting to regret trading Khalil Mack find
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(33:36):
this Daniel Jeremiah here on The Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. When Russell Wilson's contract is up, he's
gonna they're gonna have to put better piece around him
and invest in the offensive line. But he's also gonna
have to make the admission, Hey, I might have to
take a little bit less or have to be creative
with my contract in order for us to have the
money to spread around. Right. Well, it's it's interesting. So

(34:00):
much was said about the formula winning with a quarterback
on a rich deal, and they were able to pay
some other guys while Russell wasn't making that big money.
Now that he is making that big money, and now
you've see some of those guys move on and it
cost them opportunity to resign some arner players. So that
to me seems to be like the big talking point,
But the emphasis should be on them drafting better. How
do you function when you've got a quarterback carrying a

(34:21):
big number? You need to be hitting year in and
year out on somebody's third, fourth, fifth round pick. You
have to hit on your young players because those are
the cheap starters. Doug gottlers Show, Fox Sports Radio. That
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Yeah bye, what he got, Doug. Today, we have a
game called real news fake news. Alright, real news, fake news.
I give you situations. You have to determine if they
are real news or fake news. All right. First off,
when I asked about the team's lack of pass rush

(35:25):
this season, today, Raiders said, coach John Gruden said, quote,
it's hard to find a good pass rusher. When he
spoke with reporters, is that real news or fake news?
That sounds like real news? They're real and they're spectacular.
Just a couple of days after saying they've got to
figure out ways to get to the quarterback. Maybe more
blitz is they have just two sex on the season,
Gridden today specifically says it's hard to find good pass rushers.

(35:51):
I don't understand what everybody's fascination with. Did anyone think
they were gonna have as gonna pass rush when they
trade away arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL?
Like nobody really thought that right there? Okay, Like I
think everyone's like, oh see he trade now he understands,
like he understood what he was doing. He wasn't gonna

(36:13):
pay him, not a million dollars guaranteed, period, and everyone,
this is what happened. You'll never get two first round
picks for a defensive player. You never you ask it.
This is what happened. Two weeks ago before he was traded.
There was two first round picks for a defensive player
who wants the biggest contract in the history of defensive players.
Good luck. And then he gets it and they're like, oh, oh,

(36:36):
but he's gonna miss him, like, of course he's gonna
miss him, you miss a great player. But there was
there was no There was no hey, we're gonna have
him back and he's gonna play at the thirteen million
dollars he was out. He wasn't showing up unless he
got that contract. And they got that contract and they
got two first round picks, and so they're playing a
long game, not the short game. Pretty simple. But the

(36:59):
quote is it's hard to find a good pass rush,
it is, and they had one. So yeah, but they
didn't have ninety million dollars guaranteed. It's it's it says,
I can't believe you had traded Khalil Mack, but they
got two fast round picks. Oh, I just don't think
he's helping himself with how things are phrased. What's he
supposed to say, Well, you don't say it's hard to

(37:20):
find a good pass rusher when you had one under
your nose. He didn't have one. They couldn't get him
there without ninety million dollars. And it's like, it's like, oh,
I mean, you know this is this is this is
like it's like talking with my children. You don't think
like talking children's like, man, you don't that McLaren is awesome,
that's great. You don't think that another rusher at some

(37:42):
point in the next couple of years would have surpassed
to that contract. You don't think that would have doesn't matter,
you're it does It doesn't matter, Okay, because they had
Derek Carr. You can't feel the team with two guys
making of the salaries. Tell me a place that happens.

(38:02):
Named the team. I'm I'm waiting, I'm I'm waiting. Name
the team. Where a team has two players taking up
of the salary cap, name them. Maybe you moved Derek Carr,
maybe you try to get rid of him, Maybe you
send him because you know what's harder than finding good
pass rusher. Finding an average quarterback correct correct a quarterback

(38:22):
is the hardest thing to find. It is a needle
in a haystack, because even when you have them, then
you're like, yeah, and by the way, Derek Carr, you're like, hey,
Derek Carr, so he sucked in the second half of
what was het one? I think it right, And he's like,
you're not trading Derek Carr. You don't trade away a

(38:44):
franchise caliber, even a top twenty quarterback. You don't trade
him away. You don't unless you got Pat Mahomes and
Alex Smith. You know, like took Alex Smith like seven
years to figure it out in the NFL. So I
I I'm not disputing Khalil Mack is awesome and that
they had as the idea they had a passion. No,
they didn't. He wasn't showing up at work unless they

(39:05):
gave him money that would essentially bankrupt their possibilities of
having a really good roster, which they now have in
the future. They're gonna have seventy million dollars in cap
room at the end of the season, and they got
two first round picks next year and two first round
picks the year after that, they're in great shape. Real

(39:25):
news are fake news, Doug. We spend way too much
time on that. Real was a good conversation because you're not.
It just seemed like I was being yelled at for
most of it because because you're you're not. I'm willing
to give in that they had a really good pass,
which but you're not willing to give in that. There
was no way they were going to be able to
retain him none. I just think that there were there

(39:49):
were other ways to do it. How could have could
have looked at different situations. Uh, maybe they pay him
take the bite there, and it doesn't work that way
if you don't have the cash and you don't have
the cap room. It just doesn't work that way. They've
got a lot of cash, though, No they don't, well
not until they get the vegas, and they don't get
the vegas for a couple more years. Real news, fake news.

(40:10):
Doug Barris. Head coach Mattnege says he expects expected quarterback
Mitchell Trabisky to be on par with Chief's quarterback Patrick
mahomes Is. Both are in their second year in the NFL.
That sounds like a fake news. This was today. What's
fair to compare is you have one in Patrick who
has had a full year in this offense to understand
it now, regardless of playing it. He's had a full year,

(40:32):
more than a year to to sit behind it and
learn and understand a watch tape with those quarterbacks last year,
whereas Mitchell hasn't had that. He's being forced into this
thing right away, and so that's where these growing pains
are gonna occur. So they're sticking up for his current quarterback,
yes sort of. I mean, like do you buy that? Yeah?

(40:53):
I do. I mean, I don't think that Trabisky is
ever gonna be my Homes level, but he does have
a point of Mahomes had an entire your year into
the system, where Trabisky, even though he played last year,
has had a you know, six months or nine months
of what that That that part I agree with. On
the other hand, Trabisky had something Mahomes didn't have, which
is he played all of last year, or as Mahomes

(41:15):
sat all of last year, so you would think he's
for the long. I mean, the fact is, Mahomes look
like he's gonna be a much better quarterback than than
real news, your fake news. Doug Drake reportedly will be
the halftime performance, variety saying Maroon five is going to
host the show, but the NFL not confirming the news.

(41:36):
Can I confirm this is game time? On The Duck
Gotlieb Show. We've established are three types of people in
this world. No, not those that get yelled at by
Doug Gottlieb and those that don't. That's actually two types
of people. And there's actually one type person those that
get yelled at by Doug Gotlin. Anyway, uh there, you

(41:56):
either never look at grus of injuries, watch it once,
or cannot stop watching it. I'm type three. Zach Miller
suffered just such a gruesome injury last year. He'll join
the show up coming next we'll ask him about his
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(42:38):
the Jimmy Butler. Supposedly Butler wants to go to one
of three teams, the Clippers, not the Lakers. Who says
that I want to go to the Clippers, Jimmy Butler.
That's who, Jimmy Butler thinking Clippers nets or Nick's huh fascinating, fascinating. Um.

(42:59):
We will get to what Mike Freeman has the quote
Mike Freeman has about one NFC South coach saying about
what's going on in the a f C North. Greg
co Sell is going to join us up coming in
fifteen minutes. We'll get his breakdown on some of the
quarterbacks that we've seen in Nash Football League. Who we
know better about Mitchell Drabinski than a guy who caught

(43:20):
passes for him last year, and sometime in the future
probably will as well. Zach Miller joins us on the
Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You can
check out his Twitter and Instagram at z Miller course
suffered that gruesome injury last year. Zach, how are you?
I'm doing good, buddy, how are you good? I'm sorry
that you deep with them when you get introduced. That

(43:42):
seems to be the way in which like Zach Miller.
I know that name like oh the bad injury? Like oh, oh,
is that how everybody introduces you know, that's all good man.
I understand what it is and uh and how severe
that was, So that's how people and people remember it
at the moment. Yes, And I saw NFL countdown and
had to had a peace on you. I wanted for

(44:02):
people who didn't see it, Um, when it happened, what
what exactly is that? Like you land on the ground
and what goes through your mind? Uh? Say that again?
I'm sorry, I hear you. I said, when you land
on that you're laying there on the ground. What is
What I mean is are you immediately in shock? What

(44:23):
what goes through your mind when you land on the
ground you're laying there? Yeah, I mean obviously I felt Uh,
I felt some pain. It it took a while for
it to kind of set in. Um. I knew I
had some type of injury. I didn't know at the
moment how severe it was. Just took a took a
while to kind of set in. Um, you know, for
all the all the symptoms to kind of hear. But

(44:44):
I fund a little bit of pain initially, and then
my main concerns at that moment was just holding onto
the football. I wanted to get to touchdown. Um, but
you know a little bit of pain and then uh,
I think kind of shock set in for a little bit.
So I was kind of the initial feeling I had
how how close would you come to losing your life close?

(45:04):
You know, there were some decisions that were made that
that really prevented that. There was, um, you know it
was it was down the minute. Um, just with the
amount of blood that I obviously in game and adrenaline rush,
so I had a fair amount of blood flow that
uh you know, I was pumping through my body and

(45:25):
all that was just kind of draining into my legs. So, um,
it was we're up against time. And thankfully everybody kind
of made the right decisions and got into urgent care
and got everything under control. Who specifically who who? Who
specifically saved your leg? That's but um, sit dryer, who's
our who was? He was our assistant athletic trainer him

(45:49):
and then Dr Corkran was was with us in that
ambulance and those guys made uh, you know a couple
of calls and and some some issues that we had
to iron out. With uh, you know, the transportation and
the ambulance just because where they're contracted to go and
whether they normally take um, you know, their patients, was
gonna be a little bit of a drive when we

(46:10):
had uh, you know, sid found was Level one trauma
five minutes away. So that was kind of the decision
that was made to just go there because I think, um,
you know, the way that I was feeling, and the
symptoms that I was kind of expressing, and the kind
of the sheer panic I was in at the moment,
they knew it was a little more severe than just
a regular knee injury. So sidding, Dr Corkin did a

(46:32):
gat job, you know, conveying that for me and getting
me to where I needed to be. Right. See, that
would not have happened with my wife. My wife is
always like, you know, you don't want to be that
guy just you're going to the hospital. You figured it
out right right when you're like, no, no, no, this
is my leg we're talking about here. This is a
major problem. So what exactly did you do outside of

(46:53):
you know, tear up the A c L Like there's
a lot more damage done. Did you tearing artery? I
didn't even tear my A c L. That's the one
thing I didn't tear. Um, Yeah, I did that. I think,
you know, the main issue behind that was I severed
my artery. It was a complete tear um and then
you know, I had just an other ligaments pcl um

(47:15):
L c L and my meniscus. But the A c
L stayed intact, which is kind of what I think
helped me, you know, pull back my leg back into
back into where it needs to be. But once it
went that far, it uh completely severed my artery. And
that was the main issue because once that goes, you
started losing blood flow of the leg. Lack of oxygen
starts to uh sorry about that, lack of oxygen trub

(47:37):
starts to basically kill off all your your cells and
your muscles down there. So it was a pretty severe
thing for us. That's crazy stuff. Zach Miller joining us
in the Dug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. How
close are you to coming back and playing football? I
got a way to go still. Um. Now, I've made
tremendous progress here within the last a couple of months,

(47:59):
just as far as being able to get back on
my feet. Um, you know, normal life activities things like
that that are starting to feel normal again. Um, But
I got a way to go, just as far as
getting back into football activities and and things of that nature.
So I'll keep working to it. Um And and it's
a it's an unknown an unknown state, you know. I

(48:21):
just got to get to keep on building and keep
on progressing and hopefully I still you know, continue to
heal and then get to a point where I can
even see if it's medically possible to do. But at
this point I haven't been told no. So I'm just
gonna keep attacking it like I can. I can, I
can make it happen. Yeah, it makes those foot injuries
seem like a walk in the park, right if you

(48:41):
had had a couple of foot injuries early in your career,
like man, that's nothing compared to what eight surgeries on
your knee since the time of the injury. Certainly, Um,
it puts things into perspective. I've come across a couple
you know, really, I've come across a lot of people
that have, um, you know, kind of suffered a similar
injury and uh too too. Young men in particular that

(49:01):
you know, played high school football and different outcomes for
them where they both you know, had to how to
deal with a leggy imputation just because they didn't get
um the care you know, in in the urgent time
that they needed. So it definitely puts things into perspective
all those injuries that I've dealt before and even when
I went through. Now I'm in a good place and

(49:22):
I feel, you know, blessed to kind of be uh
with the care that I had, the people that kind
of took care of me. So it definitely uh puts
those older injuries. Um, it doesn't make them as bad. Yeah,
it's it's crazy because if I remember your personal stories
Zach Miller joining in Chicago, Bears Stug gotlip show Fox
Sports Radio. You went to Nebraska, right, and uh then

(49:44):
you transferred to Nebraska Omaha, and you were didn't you
play once? You are a quarterback and then you became
a tight end like only in the in the Senior Bowl, right? Yeah,
So I was a quarterback in my whole career and
then um, they had a spot open in uh in
a Cactus Ball actually Division two All Star games, and

(50:06):
they invited me down. I played quarterback and tight end
there for the game that was the first time I've
ever played it, and then ended up getting drafted by
Jacksonville to play tight end, so I was kind of
made the switch and never looked back. So you know
a thing or two about the quarterback position. The last
thing on the injury. I don't want to dwell too
much on it. I said, there's there's three different types

(50:28):
of people in this world. Um. You Either I don't
want to see it. I want to see it once
so I can see what everybody's talking about, or hey,
just running a loop. I can't get over the things
that happened to the human body. Which are you? I
went through all three of those stages. Initially I didn't
want to see it. Um. I think just within the

(50:48):
the first couple of days, you know, it wasn't something
I wanted to look at once. Um. I kind of
knew the severity of it. Actually had a number of
people posted on social media and me in it, so
I did see it by accident. I didn't want to
look at it, um. And then I got to a
point where, you know, I watched the tape and just
kind of kind of looked at it, wants to just

(51:10):
to see it, like, oh, shoot, that was bad, and
now it's just it's whatever I see it. I don't
like to I don't. It's not like I go home
and watch it. But if I see it, it doesn't
bother me anymore. Okay, So uh, I think maybe the
hardest part is not that just that you were coming
into your own but that how good would you have
been in this offense that the Bears are running? Man, Like,

(51:33):
I think it's actually harder for me to go there
than it is to go back to the injury. Be like, man,
this is the same injury. This is the same offensive
running in Kansas City, and and look what what what
Travis is doing over there? Like, man, that's that's got
That's almost hard. As much you want to cheer for
them to win and play well as they did Monday night,
watching Naggi's offense has to be equally hard. Definitely, certainly

(51:56):
looking at um, you know what he brings to the
table in his offense and just how it is the
coach is unbelievable. Es sense you. I think he's walking
the door. So I would definitely like to be a
part of that. But you know, it's just a situation,
and I'm thankful that They've kept me around to be
in the situation that I'm in. Um, you know, I
watched Travis is one of my he is my favorite
tight end in the NFL. So I watched a ton

(52:18):
of tape. I watched how he's he succeeds that offense.
Just it makes you want to do that. It makes
you want to be in that position. And um, with
it being so close, it's a little bitter sweet. But
I'm thankful, you know, for the position I'm in and
where I'm at right now. So we'll just have to
see what happens, and if not all just I'll have
joy and uh watching these guys go out here and

(52:38):
ball out. What what is? What? What are you seeing
from Trabinsky when you watch his evolution, his maturity in
this offense? What guys, a guy who's played with him,
what do you see? I see some growth, man, I
really do. And when he stepped in last year the
young quarterback guys, I mean, you guys think he are

(53:00):
the one year of college football. So he's you've played more.
You played more quarterback in college than he. I played
more quarterback in college than that, dude, that fact. But
just his growth, his leadership, ability, the way that he's
kind of um taking that role. It's a it's a

(53:21):
natural thing, and you know some guys were you kind
of feel some things are forced as far as leadership,
he's just got that natural ability to to have guys
hone in listen, um and just really respect what he
does from that position and how he is. And he's
only going to get better with time. Um. We run
a very complex offensively, a ton of stuff that goes
into it. It's not just he's not just dropping back

(53:44):
and playing his one position. The guy has to literally
know what everybody's doing, all the moving parts. So it's
a lot to digest, and I think he's done a
great job just learning it. Um, you know, in a
short amount of time. It's our first year in that offense,
and at as he grows, we're only gonna get better.
And he's got all the tools to do it. You
can you can see how he can extend plays and uh,

(54:07):
you know, move in the pocket and do things with
his feet that's gonna help him, um, you know, just
just be a better football player. So I'm excited for
his growth. I tell him that every literally probably every day. Uh,
you know, we're We're great friends, and I do as
much as I can just to continue to lift him
up and give him confidence. But I think he's gonna

(54:28):
be a great quarterback, and as he keeps growing, we're
gonna be a damn good football team. Now, the thing
that I'm sure you you you probably missed catching balls
in the offense. The things you don't miss is you
would have to block Khalil mac or at least pretend
like you're blocking Khalil Mack in practice. So so you've
got that going for you, which is nice. I think
it would be the latter. It'd be more pretending than

(54:48):
actually blocking. There's not much I can do, uh with
the with the guy of that nature, um and seeing
it up close and personal firsthand, that's a as a
generational player, you know, those those guys don't come around
very if at all, not very often. So certainly happy

(55:09):
he's on our team. He's fun to watch, I'll tell
you what. Just the ship dominance, the physical nature and
and just watching him, uh, you know, come around the
edge and be able to wreck havoc on quarterbacks all
day long is pretty entertaining. So I'm certainly happy that
he's a part of our franchise. Great stuff. Listen, Zak

(55:30):
can't wait to catch up with you in the very
near future and track your progress. Well. Appreciate your time
with Perspective and joining us on Fox Sports Radio. Thank you, man,
appreciate it. That's Zach Miller. Fall him on Twitter or
Instagram at z Miller eighties six. Well teams eventually figure
out Ryan fits magic once again. I'll ask Greg Cosll next.
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Eric Dickerson has lost his mind. Get to that in moments.
Oh gosh, there's a lot to get to. Jimmy Butler
wants out of Minnesota. Uh, why why can't Minnesota stand good? Minnesota?
Tember will stand good things? Right, remember last year, the
last time they were good to get to the Western

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Conference finals. Latrell's pretty well got offered seventy million dollars
a year, and he said, I I need to I
gotta feed my family and that one. Yeah in Minnesota. Uh,
Notre Dame thinks that Vandy's cut blocks are bad football.
Get to all that. But a guy who watches and
teaches football as well as anyone who's ever done it

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is uh is our next guest. Right. Cosell works for
NFL Films and of course does an amazing job breaking
down the nuances of football that helps those of us
who aren't wearing pads and aren't in the front offices, UH,
understand what took place on Thursdays, Sundays and Mondays. Kind

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Of to spend some time of this year on the
doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, I used history
as my guide. Why I I turned back to Jamis
Winston week four. It's we've seen this from Ryan Fitzpatrick before.
Like he's a great feeling and he's performing better in
weeks one and two than he ever has has a

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great fell in the past, but eventually the league kind
of catches up you've seen the tape of the two games.
Our team's gonna catch up to what Ryan Fitzpatrick and
the Tampa Buccaneers have been doing. Well. I don't know
it's catch up, Doug. That's one of those terms. I'm
not exactly sure what it means. I think most people

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would say that Jamis Winston has a number one pick,
is ultimately a better quarterback than Ryan Fitzpatrick. The only
issue you face is if they win at home on
Monday Night against Pittsburgh and Fitzpatrick still has a big
game and Pittsburgh is an awful lot to clean up
defensively after a terrible performance against Pat Mahomes, then are
you going to sit Fitzpatrick down at three? And? Oh?

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I don't think the argument is that he's better than Winston.
I think the argument is you're playing with momentum, and
you're winning football games, and there's only sixteen of them.
You know. It's not like let's say an NBA season
or a Major League baseball season. So I think the
hope is that you continue winning and you you try
to grab as many ws as you can. So so, uh,

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it was it has it been their offense or has
it been the defenses that they faced well. When they
played in New Orleans Week one, New Orleans did exactly
what they did a year ago when they played extremely well,
and that was played high percentage man to man coverage
and put marsan A. Lattimore Uh, their best corner and
arguably one of the better corners in the league on

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Mike Evans, and Mike Evans torched him. Latimore had a
bad game. So these things do happen. And then every
time they played zone, it seemed as if the cutter
dialed up the right play or Todd Monkin, I guess
is calling the plays now dialed up the right play
for the zone concept, and uh, they hit a big play.
The Eagles this past week chose to play with their

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corners with a pretty large cushion, so they kept throwing
quick game throws where their past rush couldn't get there,
and you through quick outs or or curl routes and
they were available. Uh. And then of course the first
play of the game, everybody saw it was just a
mistake by Malcolm Jenkins. So you know, there's always reasons

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why these things happen. And we'll see what happens Monday
night when they play Pittsburgh. You're talking about Pittsburgh. A
lot of people are pointing to the loss of Ryan
Shays are completely changing this defense. I think the counters
of that would be, Look, Kansas City went empty a bunch,
I think did yeah, so, which which would make I mean, like,
look that's gonna put Jay's here out in coverage or

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take him off the field anyway. How much of it
is match up, how much of it is the weapons
that Kansas City has? What is it that's so wrong
with Pittsburgh's defense right now? Well, it's funny you mentioned
the empty because I noticed that on tape, so I
did the numbers. Mahomes was twelve for fourteen for a
hundred and seventy nine yards and three touchdowns out of empty.

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And it was clearly game planned against Pittsburgh because they
only weren't empty four times the week before against the Chargers.
So they're coaching staff, while they were probably sitting up
late at night with an adult beverage or two, decided
empty was the way to go against Pittsburgh. UM. To
be honest, Doug, I don't know why they chose that.
It clearly worked, but I can tell you this from
watching the tape, I don't think in recent memory I've

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seen a defense make as many mistakes as the Steelers
did against the Kansas City Chiefs, which is to take
nothing away from the Homes, who I think is a
very poised player at this point, a composed player. We
know about his arm. That doesn't need to be discussed.
But they made so many mistakes that it was it
was almost embarrassing for for an NFL team. All Right,

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what about the New York Giants? They struggle, They scuttled
a bunch offensively, They found se Kwan Barkley on checkdowns,
but you know flour team catches eighty yards? Was it?
The offensive line? Was Eli? I know it's not one
or the other, but if you're gonna cut it up
in terms of how much you put on Eli as
opposed the offensive line, how much you break it down Eli.

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At this point in time, Dog Is, as you know,
is a is a pure pocket player. He's always been
a pocket quarterback at this point in his career. That's
all he is. He's a pocket quarterback. He's a complementary
piece right now, so if they cannot protect him, then
he can't play. And right now they have no intermediate
passing game at all. Any shot they take is some

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kind of fade down the field. But they have no
intermediate passing game. So I can't speak to what's in
Eli's head. Is he just unwilling to turn it loose?
Is he uncomfortable in the pocket because he's not being
protected and doesn't feel secure and is anticipating pressure, which
a lot of quarterbacks do when when the pressure is
there constantly. But you can't play right now without any

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intermediate passing game because that will impact Barkley's ability as well. Yeah,
it's it's fascinating to see all those weapons and you're
just looking and I think the thought as well, we look,
we got all these weapons. Just get rid of the ball,
get it to one of those guys and they'll make
it happen. But they were unable to do so against
against the Dallas Cowboys. Conversely, Cowboys a little bit better.

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Are there signs of hope in the Dallas Cowboys offense?
They hit the big play early, after that, there wasn't much.
They obviously are going to continue to need to do
more in their past game. Uh, that won't be enough
on a weekly basis. They clearly need their offense to
start through Zeke, and he'll have to not him, you know,

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but their their run game as a whole will have
to be better. Their old line is still a work
in progress right now with Frederick out and we don't
know when or if he'll return. So their offense the
starting point must be Zeke. Uh. Prescott has to work
off that, and and they have to create opportunities for
their receivers with their their route concepts. They can't expect

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their receivers to win one on one matchups. Gregca South
NFL Films joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh,
they didn't have their top wide receiver, they didn't have
their running back, and and the New England Patriots said,
let's make Blake Bortles beat us. And that's exactly what happened.
How much of this is just a personnel mismatch and
how much of it was Blake Bortles really playing well

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in the Jacksonville Jaguars beating the Patriots. It was a combination.
He played really well. The Patriots tend to play a
lot of man coverage. Eric Row had a really tough day.
He got beat quite a bit. Um They couldn't really
pressure Boardles. I I don't believe he was sacked. I
don't know how many times he was touched. Bortles was
really good are both on first down and on third down,

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and those are the two critical passing downs. Um one
thing about Blake Bortles, and he's been discussed by many
people for the last number of years, he's a very
up and down player. He can be terrible and he
can be good. But he will throw the ball to
one on one matchups on the perimeter, Doug and in
the NFL, if you get one on one on the perimeter,
you have to turn the ball loose. He will do that.

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And they won a lot of those matchups. Now, some
of them were tremendous catches, as we saw from Keel
and Cole. Others were really really good throws. But the
point is that they were able to win one on
one matchups and Bordles delivered the football. And the opposite
side of that is the Patriots, who you know, you
double t Bron Grenkowski and they didn't seem to have
other guys that could win one on one. Is that

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a fair assessment for the current personnel at times? Although
people have to understand, and maybe it's because of the
Jalen Ramsey pop culture. L meant they're not a heavy
man to man team. There are a predominant zone team,
So yes, do they play man and do teams double
Gronkin specific situations, absolutely, as they did as the Jaguars did,

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But they're not a heavy man team. Keep one thing
in mind. Stats can be used anyway in any shape
or form. But Tom Brady had a higher quarterback rating
against the Jaguars on Sunday than any team had in
the regular season against the Jaguars all of last year.
So it wasn't as if they couldn't throw the football
with any efficiency against that defense. Greg go South NFL Films,

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joining us in the Doug Gotlips Show on Fox Sports Radio.
We saw a great first half from the Raiders both
the past two weeks, but it did seem like Derek
Carr was more comfortable. Was this just a longer script
from John Gruden or did he improve in some places? Well?
I think they came into this game with the idea
that they wanted to get Car very comfortable. So Gruden
did an excellent job. Early in the game. There was

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a lot of boot action a lot of quick game throws.
These are throw is that require no reading. Uh, it's
all defined for the quarterback. And it made perfect sense
given how tentative and hesitant Car was week one versus
the rams Um. But there was again a very basic
game plan approach that stayed that way much of the
game that presented easy to find reads and throws for Car.

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Now he made a couple of really good throws in
every game. A quarterback is going to have to do that.
The touchdown to Roberts was a big time throw with
velocity and accuracy. But they've kept it pretty basic and
pretty simple. I mean he completed I believe twenty nine
balls only only through three and completions, but completions maybe
for yards. There was nothing really down the field and

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and even one play to Cooper was was a bust
by the coverage. So they're going to have to expand.
But they thought they win that game. It played out
it didn't play out that way, but they controlled it.
And now they're owing too, and now all of a
sudden you have to do different things. Well what about
the Dolphins. Dolphins too, and oh but they're a team.
They got to twenty and nothing lead and then just
kind of kind of sad on it and waited for

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Sam Donald to make a mistake. UM, what's your assessment
of their offense, especially Ryan Tannehill, because we didn't see
him last year with the A c L and he
seems like a guy that, like Adam Gaze, puts together
a good script, but they don't really like him going
off script. No, and I think that that Gaze is
good with scripts, and I think that Tannehill can function effectively.

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Before he got hurt, he was clearly improving in Adam
Gayze's offense, and I think you're seeing that. I don't
think this will be a case. You know, he won't
be a fantasy quarterback, Doug. If you're a fantasy player,
I don't think you'll see Ryan Tannehill throwing for three
fifty on a weekly basis unless they're way behind. I
think this is a more efficient type offense. I think
they feel good about their two backs in Gore and Drake. Um.

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I think they have some explosive players where they can
call specific plays in packages to try to create big plays,
like for Kenny Stills and Grant the small wide receiver.
But I don't think this is a past game by nature,
that's going to push the ball down the field regularly.
Pete Carroll came out slightly critical of Russell Wilson, said,
he's trying to do a little bit too much. Um,

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he was under constant arrest on the other end, like
the pick six, he wasn't under pressure. It was just
a quick three step drop and he kind of stared
down his wide receiver and they picked it off, took
him to the house. He got strip sacked by Khalil Mack.
I mean they got offensive line issues. Um, how give
me the breakdown? Is it? You know, I've seen others
be critical of their lack of creativity, lack of screen game.

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There's no quick game there, you know, to take some
of the pressure off him. How much of this should
be on Russell Wilson, How much of it is on
the new offensive coordinator shot Bryan Schottenheimer. I think it's mixed.
But here's what I will say. We we lose sight
sometimes of Wilson being under five eleven, so with his size,
Doug he struggles to function effectively in what I call

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muddied pockets where there are people around him, which is
part of the NFL game so the result is my
guesses he can't see the result is he leaves throws
on the field. He moves prematurely, which breaks down the
timing of the past game at times and makes plays random.
When those plays work, everybody raised about him. When they
don't work, there's no continuity to the offense. I thought

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in this game he did not play well personally. Now
it's always easy to point to their old line because
they've had issues and concerns, and Effetti needs a lot
of work if he's going to stay at the right
tackle position. But I don't think Wilson saw things real
well in this game. I think, um, I think I
agree with you, but you watching the film means a
whole lot more kind of gives me some confirmation by us.

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Last thing, I don't think much of the Cardinals in
terms of as a team. Huh No, No, I wasn't
gonna talk Cardinals. I want to talk about the rams
um from second half of Raiders until now, they appear
to just have overwhelming talent. Again, this is very early on.
They'd likely played to non playoff teams, But is that

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too big an assumption to make Two games in that
they seem to have. They seem to be decidedly better
than most of the Well, offensively, they've got as good
a past game scheme as there is. If you talk
to defensive coaches, as I do when I go to
the scouting combine every year, they'll tell you that Kyle
Shanahan and Sean McVeigh are the two most difficult offensive

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coaches to have to game plan for and defend. So
you have a great scheme, great past design, uh with
a lot of talent on offense. So the offensive stuff
is not going to go away. They're going to be
very good offensively. The issue now when they start playing
better teams is will their defense be as good as
they hope with a lot of different players. Now, they've

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made one change and teams might go after it. Alec
Ogiltree has gone and they're playing Corey Littleton, who I
believe was an undrafted player out of the Pack twelve
and I like him a lot, But we'll see. He's
not an experienced linebacker and I think teams will will
test him. Well. It's a little bit soft in the middle,
but outside of that, they got some corners that shut
you down, and they obviously feel like they can pressure

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the past, great coastal NFL films. Great, just great to
catch up and learn so much about football from you.
We appreciate you spending some time this year, Doug, really
appreciate it. Thank you. Pleasures all ours. Let's get you
to Dan Buyer, got Dave baseball taking place? Were we
going to the final four? That we're going to move

(01:11:20):
that one a little higher? Maybe next time. Let's head
to the Southeast region. Jacksonville Jaguar is your number one seed. Uh,
they're pretty good. They're gonna get Leonard four Net back,
we think in Week three against the Tennessee Titans. He
was back on the practice field today after missing week
two because of a sore hamstring. Antonio Brown was back
with the Pittsburgh Steelers. What do you know reporting today

(01:11:43):
after missing team meetings on Monday for what his agent
called a personal issue. Here steves quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's early
in the season. You know it's it's two games in
and guys have done things. Obviously, first game we got
some elements that it didn't let me get him the
ball maybe as much as I should have. And last
week they put a lot of guys on him. But
but other guys are too, so I'm not worried about

(01:12:04):
of course. Antonio Brown responded to a Tree tweet that
is earlier this week, saying, trade me if you don't
think that I can put up these numbers elsewhere. Speaking
of wanting a trade, timber Wolves guard Jimmy Butler has
requested one from the t Wolves and gave the Wolves
a list of three teams that he'd like to sign
a contract extension with those teams Clippers, Nets, and Knicks,

(01:12:27):
according to ESPN, as he can opt out of his
contract after the upcoming season. Dallas Mavericks donating ten million
dollars to women organizations and groups fighting against domestic violence
following an NBA investigation into workplace misconduct within the MAVs
front office. In baseball, Braves top the Cardinals seven to three,
so that means St. Louis just a game up on

(01:12:47):
the Rockies for the final wild Guard. Rockies try to
avoid being swept by the Dodgers. Tonight. Braves now up
six games on the Fills for first place in the
NL East. Great stuff, Dan uh Dan Buyer joining us
of course. Uh, you know, I gotten a little bit
of a verbal altercation last alt It was really one way.
I gotta be hont of this because I was just

(01:13:08):
you know, you were just really right. My points weren't
so good that you know what really was. No, I
don't care as much as as you know, you were passionate.
I was passionate about it. Speaking of elite pass rushers,
how hard is it to be an elite pass rusher?
You'll find out next. Be sure to catch live editions
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three pm Pacific. Previously on The Doug God Leap Show,
Danny Cannell course covers college football for CBS Sports Network.
It's not just that Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State
have a better depth of overall athletes. Now all three
have legit quarterbacks. You know, Alabama has done it with good,

(01:13:51):
solid quarterbacks, but a wide variety of them. Now with two,
you have like a legit quarterback who can throw, decipher
defense and make plays with the speed at a percent
you're right on because Alabama, really Nick David has been
the only coach to be able to win with just
the game manager at quarterback because that's what he's won with.
Now he's got a different maker at that position. That's

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why Alabama looked unstoppable and they might be a two
touchdown favorite the rest of the season. You know, when
they go to baton Rouge might be down to ten,
but still, I mean, they're gonna put up fifty points
a game and good luck stopping them because they used
to be you could you know, if you could shut
down the run and put the put the burden on
the quarterback, maybe have n't make a mistake and get
a couple of facks, maybe a fumble. But now the

(01:14:34):
defenses have to respect the path game. It's scary good.
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confident car buying experience ends. Here's Aaron Donald Elder today
on The Dan Patrick Show talking about the rules for
defensive players in the NFL. It's hard to really play
defense now because you know they understand they're trying to
protect players. But you tackle quarterback, they say you fall
on tople and you put putting your weight on the

(01:15:17):
top of They through flask with all types of stuff.
So it's kind of hard to play play the game
of football. Now you know physical, They're definitely tough one
to pass for us. You're taking a quarterback down and
you fall on top of them and it's you know,
rough and the passes so just tough. I just don't
get it on the that on the micro, here's the macro,
here's the bigger, Like, let's not be fooled by the

(01:15:38):
ridiculous numbers of even if Pat Mahomes, who I think
it has a spectacular arm town. What's going to happen
to NFL football at the end of the year is
the same thing that's happened to the NBA. Right, They're like,
whoa Russell Westbrook was the first guy in like thirty
five years to average a triple double in the NBA?

(01:16:01):
Is he that much better or did he dominate the
ball more and all the rules benefit the offense. Same
thing with James Harden, Like you used to be able
to just get away with traveling. Now you got with
traveling pushups, and there's no such thing as a moving screen,
and there's nobody in the lane defensively. It doesn't mean

(01:16:22):
that athletes aren't getting better, but you can't compare stats
to generations. And when Aaron Donald saying is absolutely true,
like it used to just be. Hey, first they started, well,
you can't touch a wide receiver after five yards. Now
you can't touch a wide receiver above the neck. You
can't touch an offensive lineman or anybody from the head.
I can't hit anybody in the helm. I can't get

(01:16:42):
a quarterback neck up, knees down, can't land on a
quarter Every rule is in an effort to not only
keep players safe but generate more offense. And here's the
thing they work, right, they work. This is statistical steroids.
I've said that about steroids. Like one of the things
about steroids is I don't think those steroid users should

(01:17:05):
be in the Hall of Fame. But I can tell
you there's a reason that the steroid users put up
ridiculous numbers because they no one is disputing the fact
that they actually do work. So I'll just tell you
I think that what Aaron Donald saying on the micro level,
on the Macro is true. Playing defense is really hard.

(01:17:27):
I had a buddy who is a professional sports gambler,
who said, you know what, if you just spent the
first half of the season, the first quarter of the
season betting the over, you'll be in really good shape.
Because the league's not The officials aren't even gonna catch
up to the rules, and teams aren't gonna catch up
to and they know they're were as traditionally, offensive lines
took longer to come together. Now teams are just chucking

(01:17:47):
it because you know you've got a chance that pass interference,
you got a chance at rough in the passer, You've
got a chance at all these different penalties that help
the offense keep moving down the field. Here's a former
NFL kicker j Feely on with the Odd Couple yesterday
talking about Hall of famers wanting better benefits. What business

(01:18:08):
in the country do the current employees willingly take money
out of their own pockets and forgo that money and
put it into the pensions of former employees who no
longer work at that company. Where where else does that happen?
In two thousand and eleven, the current players put aside
six hundred and fifty million dollars into a legacy benefits

(01:18:32):
for former players, and two thousand six the players did
the exact same thing. They took money on their own pockets.
Because when when the players take money out of the
salary cap to add to benefits, Because benefits come up
before the cat number is calculated. So whatever your benefits are,
it comes up before the salary cap is calculated, coming
out of the players portion of of their their side

(01:18:55):
of the money, and they gave it back to increase
the pension of former players. So you're taking money to
clear out of your pocket put into the foreign players pocket,
you know, and when, So when I see guys face
things like, well, the current players don't care about foreign players,
it couldn't be further from the truth. The whole thing
is a joke. It just is. I'm not saying Eric

(01:19:15):
Dickerson is a joke, and I don't know his motivations,
but like, forget about the benefits. You might have had
a little bit of an argument with the benefits and
that guys don't receive lifetime health health care insurance, although
I don't I think that's a bit of a reach
considering how many foreign players there are. But the idea
that he actually said, Hey, I think all former Hall
of famers should get three hundred thousand dollars a year.

(01:19:38):
Like what, well, that's great? What was the line from
Austin Powers too? I want to solid gold toilet, But
it's just that in the CODs pape, right, I should
get three hundre Why why should you get three hundred
thousand dollars a year because you blew all the money
you made when you played, because you played a dangerous sport,
Like it didn't make any bit any lick of sense,

(01:20:03):
especially when you're already benefiting off your name and likeness
after you got done playing, and it was made more
valuable by this pro football Hall of Fame which you're
trying to kind of shake down for more money. It
just feels like a shakedown. Hey, they're bak a bunch
of money of a sport we used to play. Okay,
all right? Hey, Fox Sports Radio right now more profitable

(01:20:24):
than it's ever been. Are we gonna wheel back in here?
Old shows that that you guys are on hard times,
Like I feel bad about guys are on hard time
in hard times. I've been another place to work if
they're more financially successful. When I get done doing it,
do I get to go back and ask for lifetime
benter Like, it just doesn't make it doesn't make it
look a sense. You know, say it out loud to yourself,

(01:20:47):
tell me the place where that works in business, and
then you're like, oh, and I understand that. Like on
Twitter it reads good. You're like, oh, Eric Dickerson says
that Roger Goodell makes too much money, Like, okay, he does.
And if I was Roger gerdown, I wouldn't take home
forty million dollars a year or whatever it ends up being.
I would spread that around to other people who work

(01:21:08):
in those offices. It would be a smart thing to
do and get a ton of loyalty. You sprinkle all
that money around and you make half that much money,
that's still a few money. Or you do get deferred compensation,
which she probably actually does, right, gets the furred compensation
so that when ultimately the gig is up, that he's

(01:21:28):
still getting paid and that allows the league to save
some money on it. But this idea that the NFL
is making a bunch of money now, so all former
players have to be you know that former Hall of
famers need to be compensated and given lifetime benefits is
like laughable. It just is say and and Eric's and

(01:21:56):
Eric's not a dope, but just one of those Like
this is a tote on the one sided thing. And
you know, baseball has got these incredible benefits, Like it
should be pointed out that Baseball's benefits package. Though once
you play a day in Major League Baseball you're entitled
to lifetime health care insurance, what about the guys you're
in the minor leaguers who actually need it, Like it's

(01:22:17):
not a perfect system, just not a perfect system. And
the idea of just doing it for the Hall of famers,
like he's actually working backwards. What he should say is, hey,
we're Hall of famers, We're already America's guests were good.
We want to do this for everybody else who never
made it, who didn't get all my offensive lineman, where

(01:22:38):
I got to reap the benefits of their hard work.
That's where it feels like I only shakedown but and
all about me move. Do you ever wonder why Bill
Belichick acts the way he does or why he developed
the Patriot way. I think if we look around the NFL,
specifically at one of their right vls and some of

(01:23:00):
the dysfunction within that rival. It actually explains why Belichick
is Belichick. We'll discuss that, plus Tran Delferil join us
and we'll break down some of these young quarterbacks. That's
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(01:23:47):
And then you got the Cardinals against the Bills. And
on Sunday, how much would I have to pay you
to go and watch that whole game? How much do
I have to pay you? Remember? You go there and
there's no guarantee that even your phone reception is gonna
work inside the dome that you can watch other games
on your phone, and at max you don't want to

(01:24:09):
watch one game on your phone. So I repeat, how
much would I have to pay you? Remember? Like, if
you've ever been to Glendale for a game or any game,
it's a good thirty minutes outside of downtown Phoenix. It's
probably forty minutes from Scottsdale. And if you so, if
you live in that part of the city. But if

(01:24:32):
I if I say, hey, I got you free, I
got fifty yard line tickets for free, would you even go?
I wouldn't I give you free parking and free tickets.
It's a lot of free stuff. It's not I mean,
because if you're here you have to fly there. Otherwise
you have to It's the time spent. There's a value.

(01:24:52):
Time is money, right Now, here's what you have going
for you. Um, you have Bears Cardinals this week? Right
to go see that Bears Bears Cardinals game? How much
would I have to give you? I have no desire
to see the Cardinals. The crazy thing is they open
up with three of the first four at home. They

(01:25:12):
are bad. They're bad, and Sam Bradford I talked to
some NFL people. He got some terrible reviews as checked down, Charlie.
Just no desire to step up in the pocket and
throw the football anyway. Um, there's some interesting games this
weekend in the NFL, and of course the one that

(01:25:34):
everybody if you're in a suicide pool. Everybody's taken the Vikings.
This is the week you take the Vikings in the
taking on the Bills at home in the dome. I
guess the other team you would probably takes the Chiefs.
They're started open up at home against the Niners. Is

(01:25:54):
maybe a day in which you could say, hey, I'll
take the I'll take the Chiefs and pocket the Vikings.
Why when you can just survive in advance? That's like
a point? Do you get the line on that one
is sixteen and a half? That seems low? Then it?
You don't think so? Almost you watch him against the Rams, No, no, no,

(01:26:15):
I'm sign Bills. You watched the Bills against the Charge
kind of fell asleep at the wheel. And that was
in Buffalo. This one's in Minnesota. Minnesota coming up that tie.
They're ready to do some damage. Yeah. Do you ever
wonder why Bill Belichick appears to be the way that
he appears now? I do think that Belichick in reality

(01:26:40):
is not as gruff as grumpy a personality as most
people would think that he is. He can't be a
head coach this long in the NFL if you can't
every once in a while be relatable. Other teams have
stolen the do your do your job mantra and other

(01:27:00):
coaches tried to say as little as they can at
the podium, but he's the master of it. And so
there's a new book out which talks about Bill Belichick
and how he's the greatest coach. Ever, how people in
the front office think, you know, he couldn't get any quarterback,
but at any top fifteen quarterback we could make into
a super Bowl winning quarterback. There's a certain confidence, certain

(01:27:25):
arrogance away in which there is no question how the
totem pole lays out what the pecking order is. And
you also have to remember that the control he has
within that organization was designed by Bill Belichick and handed
ohous designed by Bill Parcels and handed over to Bill Belichick.

(01:27:50):
So he lucked into a situation to which he could
kind of set the table as he as he would like.
And so there are never any naysayers. But I think
it's really really important to look at the Pittsburgh Steelers,
the dysfunction within the Steelers. There are two games in
the season, they're oh one and one, and already Antonio
Brown's missing a Monday practice, tweeting, hey, if you don't

(01:28:14):
think if then don't think I can put up numbers elsewhere.
Trade me. You have levy on Bell wanting a long term,
guaranteed deal. It doesn't mean that guys haven't wanted money
in New England the past. Many of them have. They've
been dealt. Yes, the Steelers are holding Levian Bell hostage,
but so is Levian Bell holding the Steelers hostage. They

(01:28:36):
have to keep that fourteen and a half million dollars
open in their salary cap because it's all guaranteed. If
he's a franchise taggy, it hurts both sides. Do you
ever wonder why Belichick is the way he is or
the Patriot way is the way that it is. Take
a look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team that has

(01:28:58):
more offensive talent when a whole than the Patriots do,
and look at the dysfunction within that roster, the uneven performances,
the head scratching moments, or even the statement's gone wrong
from quarterback, running back, wide receiver, offensive coach, you name it.

(01:29:25):
I'm not telling you that every organization or every football
team has to be the way the Patriots are. But
if you're gonna side with a personalities and letting the
players have freedom and speaking their mind. Look what happened
to Seattle, Look what's happening to Pittsburgh. And look at
the New England Patriots. Even the Philadelphia Eagles. All right,

(01:29:51):
they all puffed out their chest, talked a lot of trash.
Didn't you guys just get beat by Tampa Bay? Could
have got beat by the Atlanta Falcons. Greaty, you didn't
have You didn't have Carson Wentz, you don't have all
Sean Jeffrey, didn't have Darren Sprawls. That's fair. And the Seahawks,
they're they're missing, they're missing of their top five players,
probably four of them are out as well. There's no

(01:30:14):
Bobby Wagner. I mean, Earl Thomas is there, but he
wasn't in training camp. So we slow to come around
like they're missing some dudes as well. But this thing
has been together for eighteen years. And while Tom Brady
may think he wants a divorce, the fact is he's
never filed for divorce. Whatever it says in that Belichick book,
I'm sure take it with a grain of salt. There's

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people that love to see their quotes in print, even
if it's an unnamed source. It's more true than it
is fiction, and it's it gives us a fascinating look
behind a curtain that we don't get a look behind
all that often. But this is why we don't get
a look behind that curfet curtain all that often, because

(01:30:58):
the only fun in this function is the letters F
you win. It ain't that much fun to work in
this function. Ask anybody who's worked at a place where
where the the you know, like salesmen, saleswomen. Salespeople are

(01:31:21):
incredibly valuable. They are the lifeblood, for example, of this company.
They are like I tell this all the time, anytime
I sit down with sales like, look, you are the
reason I have a salary today. My content is not.
On the other hand, sales it was up to salespeople,
you would just here add after ad after ad live

(01:31:42):
on air, and we would also be beholden to talking
about for long stretches of time some of the companies
that we were a listening if you're gonna use the reference,
use this company, because they're thinking, are like, no, it's
terrible content. That's why salespeople can't determine content. It's also

(01:32:05):
why I can't I can't talk solely about what I
want to talk about. I can't just sit here and say, like, listen,
this is what's I'm I'm no, no, no no, I
gotta run a good radio show, Like do you want
to hear about the NBA, about college hoops or about
my son and his baseball team and how bad the

(01:32:26):
left side of the infield is, and how they two
best players are both left handed, so you know, and
they got a big kid to play My kid plays first,
and there's two other kids are pretty good to play
first as well. So you stuck in the outfield and
they just got stomped and run role like no, you
don't care. You tuned in to listen to sports talk,
so you don't have to listen to other nonsense. I
have to know that Belichick is the way. Belichick is

(01:32:52):
the way that any good later is. He understands the
balance of power. He has most of it. It may
seem like it's aw time oonymous power. It's not. But
if you're gonna air on, do you have one voice
of leadership that that kind of dampers the smaller, lesser

(01:33:13):
voices of me, me, me, It tends to work more
than the inmates running the asylum, the prison or whatever.
There's a reason that inmates running asylum is a time
tested cliche used over and over again, because it's true.
The inmates cannot run the asylum. And then I read
this quote. Mike Freeman from Bleacher Report had this quote

(01:33:39):
from one NFC South assistant coach. It's a circus there,
and Mike has no control over it. He's one of
the best coaches of my generation. But the players have
too much control there. You hear enough whispers of it.
Terry Bradshaw said, you know, I played Terry Bradshaw. I
think was trying to paint it in a way and

(01:33:59):
might have offence was, hey, look, he's never had a
losing season. But you see it start to come apart.
You see it, see it start to fissure. And you
have Levian Bell, but you don't get to a super
Bowl with him. You have Antonio Brown, but you can't
get the code in Super Bowl. UM organization that has

(01:34:20):
had tried to go through a shift in defensive styles
doesn't seem to have great personnel. Obviously they're hurt by
losing Ryan Chase here, but you have a coach, offensive
coordinator and a quarterback that don't seem to be pulling
in the same direction. He's not helping you a ton here,
the drama of Ben, the drama of Antonio Brown, the
drama of Levian Bell, heck, even the drama the offensive lineman.

(01:34:44):
And they may be defending their franchise, which is what
you want them doing, but the idea that they would
say it publicly creates greater dysfunction you can think of.
It doesn't mean you say it just because you think
that Levian Bell is making a helfish move and continuing
his hold out and hurting the team doesn't mean you
say it publicly. No one would ever do that in

(01:35:06):
New England. None of this stuff would happen to New England.
And while you can puff out, you just go, yeah, England,
it's not any fun, No, But you know it's really fun.
Winning is really fun. It's so much more fun than losing.
A matter of fact, that's the big reason the Pittsburghs,
like the Pittsburgh Stealers offense and Antonio Brown didn't get

(01:35:26):
the ball as much as he should have. Their defense
is the reason that they're oh one and one, not
their offense. Super Bowl Champion Trent Dilford joins the show
up coming Next, I want to get his thoughts on
Pat Mahomes the league can catch up to this young
firearmed sophomore in the NFL Ryan Fitzpatrick, will the magic

(01:35:48):
run out for fits Magic? And how much of Seattle's
struggles do we put on Richard Russell Wilson? And how
much do we put on their offensive line? How much
you put on their coaching staff? We'll discuss with Trent
Dilfer next. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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on TV you see him win a Super Boys trend.
Dilfer looks at the quarterback position from a way more educated,
deeper perspective than anybody in the business. He joins us
in The Doug Ot Lip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
H let's just kind of go through it. Let's let's
start with Pat Mahomes. Everybody's talked about his arm talent um,

(01:36:53):
they go empty. I think fourteen times for fourteen the
passes were from empty and so they're taking advantage of
lack of foot speeds mismatches against Pittsburgh. I guess my
question is how much of this is scheme and speed
and how much of his Mahomes and that we'll see
it carry over when the weather starts to turn well.
I think it's a combination about the guy is a

(01:37:15):
incredibly talented kid. Um. He was in Texas thick. He
just I guess the where I was unsure with him
was how quickly he would adapt to the NFL game
because he was a true gun slayer in college, fly
by the seat of his pants. Guy didn't play at
a ton of discipline, didn't play with a ton of rhythm,
a while the offense was manufactured because they're throwing at

(01:37:37):
sixty times a game, So you just to really know
how to adapt to the pro game. And to his credit,
he's got a twitchy mind. I mean, he can think quickly,
he processes quickly, obviously has seen things very well. I
was impressed. The too many things I was impressed with
were his starting point as a quarterback. I look to
see where guys starting points are. I mean where their

(01:37:58):
eyes start as match up, at the rhythm of the feet,
the depth of the drop, the defenses they're facing, YadA, YadA, YadA.
His starting point was just spot on and his ability
to what I call dictate terms with his eye to
manipulate the defense with his eyes. One of the touchdown
passes to Kelsey, he looks the underneath defense, the defenders
and the safety left, flips his eyes in the side,

(01:38:20):
and you know, rips it down the middle for a touchdown.
So some graduate level stuff. If he's caught on this quickly,
watch out because I thought it's gonna be like a
two three year project before you saw the fullness of
him coming out. If he's doing this type of stuff,
this early handling fourteen empty places, because what comes with
empty plays is protection issues, and teams try to attack

(01:38:41):
you about four or five different ways out of empty
and you have to have answers and protection. And he
had all the right answers there too, So that speaks
to his preparation. So I think a lot of it's
Mahomes and a lot of it's Andy Reid, and a
lot of it's that the skilled people are at them.
They really do have complementary pieces. How sustainable is what
Ryan fits Astricks doing in Tampa. I think Ryan's career

(01:39:04):
has always been really aggressive as a passer, so he
gets on these super hot streaks He's done at every
place he's been where a lot of a couple of games,
or he just goes bananas. I think this one was
probably a little more sustainable because he's got more power
at the line of scrimmage. He can get them into
place he feels comfortable with, he can take shots when
he feels comfortable taking shots. And again, they have complementary

(01:39:27):
pieces as well. You know a lot of people people
who use the term weapons all the time, and I
get it. I mean, I wish I would have more
of them, but it's really about having complementary weapons. It's
about you know, Deshan Jackson that's a twitchy, fast guy
that can take the top off and can run after catch,
but also having a Mike Evans is a big body,
possession guy but also has big play ability and having

(01:39:49):
a tight end and can get off the ball, you know,
stretch the defense and then run after catch. Runners that
can run, and they do have nice pieces. And because
of his experience, again his mind, he'll be able to,
you know, get himself into a position each snap where
he's not put in a position where he can't thrive.

(01:40:10):
If that makes sense. It's like having still the call
he need play you want it's best for you, not
then for everybody else, but best for you. And he
has that ability. Why is Antonio Brown upset? You know,
I'm disappointed, And listen, he's a he's once in a
generation talent. He's one of the greatest players in the league.
But it's it's it became too much about him. And

(01:40:35):
I think once it becomes about you, especially in football
where you're balancing a lot of other egos and fifty
two other guys in the locker room and sixteen coaches
in the front office, and training rooms and equipment rooms
and all the dynamics that go on in professional football,
when it becomes about you too much, I think it
becomes a little toxic. And and with would they be

(01:40:57):
It seems as if public cists and all the people
that want to tell you how you need to be
in the bigger star than Yard's kind of got into
his head and he's forgotten a little bit about this
is about us, not me, and if I care about
us enough, I will benefit from it. So that's my
big take ont on Toteo and Brown. But I also

(01:41:20):
think that Tomlin that team, they have enough moral authority
in the locker room that they will massage this enough
to keep him happy. Um, okay, the Patriots getting lit
up by Blake Bortles. They make Blake Bortles beat him,
and he does, in fact beat him. Is Bortles better
than we thought? Or the Patriots just not very good defensively?
Do you have a you have time for a Blake

(01:41:41):
bar story from the summer being had some context of this.
I know it can be long winded. I'll try to
keep this brief. As you know, A couple of years
ago was unfairly harsh to Blake. It was one of
those horrible and analyst moments where you cross the line
and he was awful. It's one of the biggest regrets
in my TV career. Um, and I hunted him down
and I apologized and I asked for his forgiveness and

(01:42:04):
his credit. He gave me a ton of grace and
was totally cool with it um. But it led to
a deeper conversation about he admitted to me because yeah,
I was. I mean, my confidence was shattered. It was
hard to do easy things. Throwing a football was not
easy and it showed, and a lot of the criticism
that I received was justified. And it wasn't always that

(01:42:28):
way in practice. It was just for some reason in
the games, my confidence was low, he said. But the
end of last year, this is this summer we're talking,
because the end of last year, when my team, my coaches,
my tribe had my back and believed in me and
said you are our franchise quarterback. We wouldn't want anybody else.
You're our guy. He says, you had no idea how

(01:42:50):
what what that's done for my confidence? And you could
see it come. You know, he started to play a
lot better than last year, especially through the playoffs. But
this year, you know, you see, you see freedom, see
the fullness of Blake burrows talent, because he's a very
talented guy. But he's now free. It's like these two
giant boulders have been lifted off his shoulders. And now
now I think we're starting to see how good Blake

(01:43:11):
Burrows could be. And I really credit his tribe, the
culture and his team, the culture on that football team
to have his back when nobody else had it, and
what that's done for an individual like Blake. It's now
it's allowing him the fullness of him to come out.
And I think he's gonna have a really good year now.
Is he Aaron Rodgers? No, those guys don't grow on trees.

(01:43:33):
But Blake Borrows can be as good as Alex Smith.
He can be as good as Kirk Cousins. He can
be as girls. A lot of the guys in the league,
um that are talented guys that are you know, somewhere
between let's say eight to sixteen if you want to
list them. I think Blake has that potential now that
he's free. Why does Alex Smith not seem comfortable in
j Gruten's offense. Alex is so cerebral, um, he is

(01:44:01):
so uh he thinks the level being around him those
couple of years that used to blow my mind how
he thinks and how he prepares Now his studies, I
think it takes time for it to finally click where
he owns it because he's always thinking through it and
at some point it's gonna click and he's gonna go, Okay,
now I own it. Now I got it on to

(01:44:21):
think about it. It's mine. This is my baby. It
doesn't look and I haven't seen all eight quarters of
their season, but I've seen you know, it's called it
sixties seventy snaps, And it doesn't seem as if he
has total command of this offense. Yet he's still probably
thinking through a lot of it. All right, well, what
about the what about Eli Manning? I know he has

(01:44:42):
issues with a new offensive line and specifically one side
of that offensive line, but but some of it's gotta
be on him, right, Like all these checkdowns couldn't all
be offensive line? Are we think it's not? Yeah, it's
not offensive line. And I'm the biggest quarterback compologies out there.
You know that, Um, But yeah, I know he's capable

(01:45:03):
for some of this. But again, Eli has to play
a certain way. You know, when we have this conversation,
get what quarterbacks would run any system? And there's let's say,
does arbitrary say there's six seven guys? System is not
one of those right, Well, he's been so okay, so
so help me so so Gilbride's system, they used to
hold the ball a deep drops deep routes. He used

(01:45:25):
to hold the ball a lot. And then they're like, hey, listen,
we gotta get rid of the ball. Quicker offensive line
is not great, so they bring in macadoo and that's
kind of that. Aaron Rodgers like quick throws, get it
to guys, to ball guys in space. This system is
is a completely different one from from even that, and
it appears as though like his default is to just

(01:45:47):
check down to see Kwan Barkley. Yeah, I'll use the
word command. You know, we'd call it keys in the car,
or call it control whatever, but command. For Eli to
be successful, he has to have ultimate command. End of
very much like this Ryan Sits Factor conversation we had.
He's got to be able to get himself out of
plays versus looks that are gonna expose him. He's got

(01:46:11):
able to get into plays that's gonna be say, seven
to ten times a game where he knows he has
a distinct advantage. He needs absolute control if he's at
the whim of the play caller and the play caller
guessing what defense they're gonna get. He's not gonna play well,
that was the Macadoo system. The Gilbride system allowed him

(01:46:32):
to do, and he had full rain, full control at
any moment to change any play to anything he wanted.
That works both ways. The fantasally think that's only advantageous
looks like, Okay, I'm a smart quarterback. By quarterback smart,
he sees the weakness and the defense, he's gonna check
the play and gash him. Okay, yeah, that happens sometimes,
but more often than not, it's, oh, crap, this is

(01:46:54):
a really bad play for me, for us whatever I
need to get us into something that not going to
be a disaster. And I can tell because he's not
double triple counting up there at the line of scrimmage.
He's not doing a lot of that stuff that he
doesn't have full ability yet to command this offense the
way he needs a command. But can you do that

(01:47:14):
in one year of learning a new obvious thirty seven
years old? Right, But he's you're trying to teach an
old dog new tricks. Can you do you think you'll
have that this season and early enough this season when
they can start winning games. I'm not saying he doesn't
have it now that he's not thinking at that level,
but he may not be able to communicate it to
everybody else. I thought Chris Collins would did a great
job Sunday night pointing out that a lot of these

(01:47:36):
airs weren't necessarily physical airs, they were mental airs. Then
I read some stuff Eli, some quotes from Eli, and
you know how you can read through quotes, and he
was saying, yeah, it's just about everybody on the same page.
It's just about getting all eleven guys that he's saying,
without throwing anybody on the bus. Listen, we're trying to
change something. We're trying to get into better look, and

(01:47:57):
not everybody's getting there. So maybe not every anybody is
able to get this this quick. Eli's mind may just
think at a race that the other ten guys are
part of. Those other ten guys can't think of the
same rate. Trent dal for joining us in the Doug
Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, there's a
new book about Bill Belichick out, and I think among

(01:48:18):
the quotes that are floating around the leak x leaked
excerpts is UM this if you give us. Any of
the top fifteen quarterbacks, we could do it. I don't
think the coaches you Tom as special as everyone else
in football does. Mr Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest
gift ever, but coaches don't. This just one voice, but

(01:48:40):
it's one voice speaking for a coaching staff. What do
you think about that idea that, hey, we might not
be able win all these super Bowls, but with the
top fifteen guy, we could win one. Tom is really good,
but he's not as good as we make him. Look,
you know, about the middle of Tom's career, I thought
it was fifty fifty Belich at Tom, which is time.

(01:49:00):
You know that, you know, that's pretty good mix. I
think the longer I've seen him play, the more stretches
through playoffs, the more comebacks, the more two minute drills,
the more and a half, the more certain thirteens, the
more improbable plays that he pulls off, I've kind of
tilted it more seventy thirty Tom. So No, I think

(01:49:23):
there's there's a big difference between between talent and competitive greatness,
and I think Tom has the ultimate competitive greatness, that
his greatest stuff that he he he maxes out when
everybody else tends to shrivel up. And that alone is

(01:49:44):
why I've I've kind of tilted that far more Tom
towards Tom than the coaching staff. Yeah, sure they could
be explosive with the top fifteen guy. The schemes are
really good, They are really well coached. I'm not denying
any of that. But there's just too many times as
I've seen Tom go beyond the axes and ows and
be truth watch and just just kind of blow my

(01:50:08):
mind the stuff he's able to pull off with the
probable odds to not give him. He's Trenton Dale for
you can fall him on Twitter or listen to him
and he joins me or he joins Colin Calherd weekly.
He's a Super Bowl champion quarterback and an excellent analyst
as well. T D, thanks so much for joining us.
Many pleasure is mine. Let's get you to Dan Buyer.

(01:50:28):
A lot going on in the world of sports. Dan
updated including in Baltimore Ravens find two hundred thousand dollars
by the NFL for violating the league's policy on in
game communications during the preseason. The Ravens apparently violated the
rules by having multiple players wearing helmets with coach to
player communications, Doug, between you and me, it's gotta be

(01:50:49):
Lamar Jackson being on the field at the same time
as Joe Flacco. I'm just guessing, but I would think
that would have to be the situation anyway, Ravens, mind
two hundred thousands, it happened in New England because then
when they then they said it was that them, it
said every time we're you know, that was that was Pittsburgh,
every time we're in New England. Something happened. The Lamar
Jackson thing is right, Like he's got to get a
different helmet. Remember, like this is it not a wide

(01:51:11):
receiver helmet. It's just not a quarterback one helmet? Yes, correct,
that green sticker that they've got can't have that. You
can't have to. Yes, It's like the Ravens have, you know,
followed a lot of rules in the NFL. You know,
always seems that they're coming into the microscope. But two
hunder dollars for that violation, it's a team violation. It's

(01:51:33):
but yeah, two under grand According to the NFL Network
other NFL news, the Steelers saw Antonio Brown at the
team's facility today. Of course, he missed Monday's meetings in
film sessions. His agent Drew Rosenhouse said it was because
of personal matters. Mike Tomlin. Today we're on Antonio. He
and I met yesterday for extended period of time. I'll

(01:51:55):
lead a nature that conversation between us. It was discipline
involved for his missed me eating for Monday, some of
the other things we talked about extensively. He'll he'll speak
for himself and some of those things. So that was
the Steelers head coach. No, it wasn't a personal thing. Yeah,
his personal is his personal problem was he didn't want
to be there. Yes, that seems to be the case,
and not in anyway. Remember Drew Rosenhau said, that is

(01:52:22):
just that it's just blown out of proportion. He just
wants to win. That's what the agent said on Monday.
Jaguars running back Leonard four Nette returned to practice today
after missing Week two with his sore hamstring. Browns have
listed wide receiver Jarvis Landry is questionable for tomorrow's game
against the Jets because of a sword knee. Bengals have
signed free agent running back Thomas Rawls to a contract.

(01:52:43):
Variety of reporting that Maroon five will perform at halftime
of Super Bowl fifty three in Atlanta. In February, Braves
dropped the cards today seven three, Atlanta's magic number in
the n AL least is down to six. And finally,
timber Wolves card Jimmy Butler requesting a trade from the
team today, Butler reportedly asked the timber Wolves to send
them to a list of three teams where you sign
a contract extension with that. So it's the Lakers, the Celtics,

(01:53:06):
and the Sea. Yeah, that's it. Or wait, check that Clippers,
Nets Knicks. That's who we've got for Jimmy Butler. And again,
the l A Clippers, not the Los Angeles Clippers. They
are just the l A Clippers those ron list. Wait
the Clippers, they're only the l A Clippers. They aren't
the Los Angeles Clippers. It's it's it's part of the
Balmer transformation. If you even look on the standings at

(01:53:29):
the on NBA dot Com or the team, they are
only known as the l A Clippers and not the
Los Angeles Clippers. Okay, los Angeles Clippers of Los Angeles,
the l A Clippers of Los Angeles, Los Angeles, as
that's what they'll do I want to say this about
Maroon five. This is very very important. Okay, So what

(01:53:51):
you'll get on Twitter, which you'll get on other radio shows,
you'll get another sports shows, is uh probably about half
and half where you get people to go like it's
in it, Anna, why don't you have something that represents Atlanta?
And that that's the only because, I mean, no one
doesn't like Maroon five. They're not offensive in anyway. Um.

(01:54:12):
I think Adam is obviously not only super talented, good looking,
puts on a good show as well, and he's got
enough hits to where they can pick and choose and
maybe add somebody to come on stage with him. People
don't dislike them. They'll just say, hey, couldn't we get
couldn't you get outcast up there? Let me explain something

(01:54:33):
too that I had to explained to my late father
about cow Herd when he was on on it was
the show that Sports Station. My Daddy's telling me, like,
you know, I like Michelle Beatle, I like I love
cow Herd, I like when you're on that show, but
I just don't like Sports Station. And I said, well,
that doesn't matter. What do you mean? It doesn't matter?

(01:54:53):
I watched ESPN all the time, and well, it's not
for you. What do you mean, good Dad's on the afternoon.
It's a clip show. It's clips of highlights and stupid
stuff whatever. And you know, Colin and Beatle they find
something to kind of argue about sports, to kind of
build around it. It's built for a younger demographic. It's
built for I mean, I guess we can say eighteen

(01:55:15):
to forty, but it's really eighteen to thirty. Okay. It's
for a college kid or a high school kid who
comes home at the time in the afternoon and flips
it on and wants to see a clip show. Let
me use that for the Super Bowl argument sports skies.
You don't matter. Hey, music doesn't matter, Buyer doesn't matter.

(01:55:37):
Bruce Sard and UH and Rob Parker, the Odd Couple
show that starts an hour after ours. They don't matter.
You know why, because we're watching the Super Bowl. We're
gonna watch the Super Bowl until the end of the
Super Bowl because we're guys were watching the halftime show
is for older and female demographic period. Stop. It's a
way to get them and going like why am I

(01:55:59):
I have these square and I'm losing money on it,
and I've already eaten. I'm full. You know the commercials
for that demo, that's what the commercials are for, the
same thing for the halftime show. Women, children, older demo,
people that aren't going to watch the football game is
designed to make them want to watch the football game

(01:56:20):
or keep the football game on. So forgive me if
you think your opinion matters and you're listening to the show,
your opinion doesn't really matter for the halftime show because
that's what it's built for. That's the target demographic. And
to that, I think they hit a home run with
Maroon five because the ladies love them so, madam, and

(01:56:43):
the older people love them so, Adam, and they're not
super offensive to have. You have your kids stay up
and what watch Adam. You know right, you're not gonna
get a Nicki Minaj moment like you got a couple
of years ago. One NFL player is doubling down in
a really bad decision. Tell you what the decision is
next three to one Coming up Thursday in the Dug
Gotlap Show. Coming up today in the Doug Gottlieb Show,

(01:57:07):
We'll get ready for Thursday night football? Will we see
Baker Mayfield ed Warder will have more. Plus. Buccaneers wide
receiver Mike Evans joins the show as he butt in
Two Fits Magic or do We Turn back to jamis
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(01:57:29):
editions of The Doug got Leap Show weekdays at noon
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Giants they got all these great pieces, but they don't

(01:57:51):
have a quarterback. He looks washed. When they kept saying
they were going to draft a running back, and I
get it, say Kwon Barkley, everybody's all excited or whatever.
But when you have that, when you play that poorly, Doug,
and you have a chance to fill a spot. We're
talking about a quarterback for the next ten or twelve
or fourteen, whatever it is. It's not every day you

(01:58:12):
you finished three and thirteen and get that pick. The Giants,
that's like one of their worst seasons ever in that
team's history. So for them to pass on Sam Donald
or pass on any of those quarterbacks who were there,
they made a colossal mistake. And the other part that's different.
In most dynamics. Most of the time, you don't have
two teams in the same city where you're able to

(01:58:33):
see that guy. So if you're a Giants fan, you're
gonna see this guy week after week after we can
say how in the world did did the Giants not
draft him? And instead they're living in the past. When
you live in the past, what happened? You get burned?
That was Rob Parker making up a new famous quote, right,

(01:58:54):
what what happened with them? With the music? There? There
we go? Sorry about that one. You know what happens
you live in the past? I don't know, Rob, I mean,
I don't. I don't, I don't know. You know, you
study history, or if you don't study history, you're doomed

(01:59:14):
or deemed to repeat it? Right that I think live
in the past, I don't, you know, I don't know.
There was a Lion King quote about living the past,
isn't it? You gotta put you past behind you. That's
the way it is, right, boomba. Online car shopping can
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(01:59:36):
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live in the past, you're gonna die in the future.
I don't know. I just made that up. It sounded
like something micro video aspired Jersey sure all right now.
Retired cornerback Vante Davis spoke to The Undefeated and said
his decision to retire at halftime last week was, in

(01:59:58):
his words, quote therapy you Dick is. He realized in
the middle of the game that he was done with football.
Davids City spoke with the team Chaplin and the player
development director at the game and added he didn't attend
to his hurt his teammates, but doesn't regret his decision.
He's good with it. That's great that he's good with it.
You'll never be in football ever again. Like I, I

(02:00:18):
hope you have saved your money. You don't want to
be like idiot and the idea and and like Dominic
fox Worth. I know that's where the quotes came from.
He he interviewed him Donning fox Sworths the former player
and a good one, former head of the NFL p
a player rep um. But like again, no one is
questioning whether or not you think you're done. You're done.

(02:00:39):
No one's saying you have to go back out even
on the football field and play. But to walk out
in your team when they're down a week and half
in the season, dude, there's no explaining that. Oh the
therapeutic well, uh as the dumbest quitter move I've ever seen,
and it doesn't speak to being a good teammate. It
calls into question everything else you've done your career, which

(02:01:01):
it shouldn't, but it does. Really you, you thought that
was a good idea to walk out on your team
instead of going like, hey, coach, I don't have it.
Play somebody else who does. If a bunch of dudes
go down and get hurt. I'm here if you need me,
but I'm just not one of your best twenty two
players right now. That's a better way to It's a
fifteen times by the way to him, who would have thought,

(02:01:23):
Doug that the two maybe most notable situations in the
NFL with players not returning or just being kicked off
the sidelines had to deal with brothers. Remember Vernon Davis
and Mike Singletary. Yeah, you know, kick him off. I
want winners. And now Vante Davis leaving on his own accord. Right, Well,
look this is not every player loves football. They just don't.

(02:01:46):
I don't love football that much. They like licking money.
They like all the things that affords them. And both
David's brothers are two bright guys, but they're not guys
that loves love football. Doug, do you like the Tennessee
checkerboard end zone? A great deal? If you do? You
like the when the Dolphins kind of go with that
that our gyle pattern a bit in their end zone?
I do? Okay, Well, the Cleveland Brons are gonna have

(02:02:07):
their own special end zone tomorrow. They are doing away
with the team name in the end zones and instead
we'll have stripes of brown and orange in the end zone. Yes,
so alternate sections, one brown, one orange. When Brown won
orange when they take on the New York Jets. I
don't think it comes from Tennessee or from Miami. I
think that's a copy of the Bengals doing the tiger stripes. Sure,

(02:02:27):
I was just using those as like a different example
of designs. I got, I got it. I don't like it.
I haven't seen it, but I already don't like it
because it's you know, it's not your own thing. Brown
Brown's put it up on their Twitter handle if you
want to check it out. Yeah, I do. I I
like anything different with end zones. I'm a big, big
field design guy. By the way, I think the NFL

(02:02:49):
has really been a slacking lately when it comes to
Super Bowl fields. Ohio State co offensive coordinator Ryan Day
received a bonus of almost five hundred thousand dollars to
serve as the school's interim coach for three games. Day
gets a four hundred and eight seven thousand dollar bonus
while Urban Meyer was suspended. I like that. Good for him.

(02:03:10):
I do kind of like the Browns design. If it
goes to their uniforms, it's kind of cool. Yeah, I'm
okay with it. I'm gonna change my opinion. I'm gonna
gree with you all in a day's pay if you will.
The Dallas Mavericks are donating ten million dollars to women
organizations and groups fighting against domestic violence after an NBA investigation.
The I think that's not appropriate punishment. They should have

(02:03:31):
this and they should be forced to watch all of
their games last year, Like that's real punishment. They gotta
do some punishment to the team. You can just write
a check make this go away, and real punishment is
making them watch them try and lose games late last year.
For the second time this month, the home of Dodgers
all fielder Yazil Puigue was robbed while he was playing

(02:03:51):
a game and alarm triggered last night and Encino just
up the street here while Puigue was facing the Colorado Rockies,
fourth time in eighteen months. Burglars have broke it into
his home. You know, he needs sharks with lasers on
them patrolling his home. I saw it work in a
couple of different movies, and I think I think it

(02:04:11):
would work. By the way, Twigs a d T this
year is zero hanging out there and pressed that the
press doesn't he have ring and closes the cameras and everything.
There was a system that triggered police, but they just
didn't get there in time and escape. It's up. Put

(02:04:32):
the doughnut down and I know it's a busting cream,
but we gotta go Pweegs house getting hit again. Put
it down. Mike ke Evans will join us tomorrow. F
it's magic or jamis. They've been eating a lot of
w is eating a lot of debes. That's tomorrow on
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