The Truth Is In The Middle

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get to the story of the day, which is kind
of the story of the week. Bubba Watson, Did I say, Bubba?
I did that again? Did I did? I? Right? I know,

(02:15):
I did it again. It's Bubba Wallace. Bubba Wallace is
the story of the week. UM. I mean like, look,
the ebbs and flows of the day of the week
are really interesting. So we started the week, we started
the show on Monday, We're getting ready to do the show,
and all of a sudden, there's this unbelievable show, unbelievable

(02:37):
excuse me, display of of solidarity by by all of
his uh, his UM competitors and his teammates in NASCAR.
Why do they have to show solidarity? Well, that's because
if you go back to uh Sunday, there were reports

(02:58):
that there was a news found in his garage. Okay,
it was the forty three Garagete of course is Richard Petty.
He he races for Richard Petty Racing. He's the only
black driver full time on the NASCAR circuit. And so
when there's a noose, which of course coincides with the

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banning of the Confederate flag and some of the stereotypes
that have fall that have followed NASCAR, and of course
on Sunday, right before there was set to be a race,
before the rain postponed it, there was a Confederate flag
that flew uh on the back of a little airplane.
Like all of these things like really a noose Monday

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right now, at this very moment, and we're only at Thursday,
and the old life comes at you fast Monday, unbelievable
show solidarity. Tuesday. At about the same time, the FBI,
who sent fifteen investigators, reported that this was no hey
crime and that the rope pole that was up had

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been up had been up for since two thousand nine,
with the exact same loop on it. Excuse me, did
I say two? My day's two thousand nineteen, so almost
a year. October was the last race there, when apparently
there was some photo or video evidence that it had

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not changed that night, Bubba Wallace went on CNN UH
the next morning, he went on with Dan Patrick, and
he was angry because people were starting to call the
reports of a noose a hoax. And when you're told

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something's a noose and you said it's absolutely noose, and
you're black, and your reaction is going to be one
of of a million different things. But I think, even
though I'm not black, and I can't you know, I
can't put myself in Bubba's shoes, I do know I
have a pretty good feeling what my reaction would be

(05:09):
because as a Jewish man. When I see you know,
signs of of Nazis, I have a a similar visceral
reaction where I'm both angry and afraid all at the
same time. And you wonder, you wonder who his friend?
Who is foe? I mean, the the the easiest parallel

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for me. And I'm not in any way trying to
say I understand the black experience. I do not. You
can say like I do, I have plenty of black friends,
but I do not understand the black experience, because if
you haven't lived it. On the other hand, I would
also say they don't wanted to understand the Jewish experience.
Last year at the local there was a high school party,

(05:53):
the local high school that my daughter will attend this
upcoming fall. There was some kids playing beer pong, which,
by the way, like, look, I'm not gonna tell you
I didn't drink in high school. I had. There was
a couple of times when I did drink, but never
to the point of beer pong, Like anyway, not getting

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the parenting there, but uh, there were some you know,
red solo cups made into the swastika symbol in a
beer pong game in my neighborhood. You know, which feeds
to our high school. So I'm not gonna tell you
I understand the black experience or totally know what Bubba

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Wallace was feeling, but I do know that feeling of
like that's a sign of hatred right anyway, So uh,
Bubba didn't go on the apology tour, but he did
finally put out a statement yesterday which said essentially, hey,

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I'm glad it wasn't a hate crime, but I'm even
happier that now Aascar had my back. Today today the
photo of the noose was released. Now here's the thing.
One noose is a knot and it's a very useful

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and very sturdy type of slip knot. Right, And why
is a noose? Um Like, like, let's just if you
have the real conversation, if you can actually have a conversation,
why is a noose used in hangings? Because it's a
knot that doesn't it's a slip knot means it will
not slip out of the knot. And it's an extra

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sure slip knot. And when you have a rope and
you want to make sure that it goes back. Not
just two lynchings in the South, bip but in the West,
when the bad guys would get hung by the sheriff's
it can withstand the pressure of the weight of a
human body. It is a very powerful and very substantial knot.

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So when I read this, it makes me think of
pretty much any political argument, many sports arguments. When we
watch TV, we're told there's left and there's right, and look,
this comes from political TV. Frankly, I believe the uh
the creator of it was Fox News. We are Fox

(08:22):
Sports Radio. We are very loosely affiliated through through through
the family of Fox. But the genius of Fox News,
which has been remarkably successful in terms of ratings, is
they in in their programming, pushed everyone to the fringes.
And on TV visually the right was on the right

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and the left was on the left, and they were
there were arguments which there was no middle. But the
truth is usually in the middle. Most of us are
more in the middle. The fringes are louder because they're
trying to make their point and draw you to their side,
but most of us are center left, center right. Most

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stories are not black and white. Most stories are gray,
and nothing could be nothing could emphasize that more. In
my opinion, then what we now have with the Bubba
Wallace story by NASCAR saying that is in fact a
noose and seeing the picture of a noose, and the
FBI saying it is the news it did hang from

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two thousand nineteen. It just wasn't a news design at
least at this point for Bubba Wallace to see. It's
NASCAR saying, yes, you got me. I robbed banks, just
not that bank. Which is why NASCAR had to make
the statement about the Confederate flag, which is why NASCAR

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had to come out and be so emphatic with their
immediate reaction to a noose being found on their property.
Because of their history, and because even if this was
a joke from two thousand nineteen, whether it was for
Bubba or for whoever occupied that garage, there has to

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be an added smart sensitivity and understanding that when you
have this, when you have this terrible past and some
of it at least a portion of it in your
fan base, in your presence, anything is going to be
viewed along racial lines. I I understand, I do. I'm

(10:38):
a white male. I know that anytime I do not
completely agree that something is racist, I am labeled now
a racist which is not which couldn't be further from
the truth. It's not fun, Okay, it's just not that said,
you also have to understand why Bubba felt the way

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Bubba felt, because when you're a black man and you
roll up into a garage and somebody says, I just
wanted to listen a little heads up, there was a
noose hanging in here. How would you react? Again? My
only parallel is as a Jewish guy growing up in
Orange County and the high school my daughter is gonna

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go to and I see some idiot high school kids
playing beer pong with the Nazi swastika on the ping
pong table, I have that same visceral angry and a
little bit scared reaction. This is what I'm sending my
daughter into. This is how they view me, This is
how I'm treated. I know when you watch on TV,

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and all of these TV networks have taken we've all
taken on the exact same tact. Sports TV mirrors political TV,
and the most successful of them is Fox News, and
we pit right versus left. The truth in at arguments
is somewhere in the middle. Give me an argument gun control. Okay,

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we're not gonna ever have no guns, and we're not
ever gonna have a free for all. Somewhere in the middle,
you can be a gun owner, and most gun owners like, yeah,
they there's got to be some sort of background checks
and the ability, you know, the ability to you know,
there's this thought, well, yeah you can. If you're feling
you can't have a gun, or if your kid you

(12:29):
can't have a gun. Yes, but your friends can and
they're just so readily available. Right there's most responsible gun
owners don't think that everyone should have a gun, and
most people who are against guns and don't want guns
understand that. Are you not gonna have any for hunting?
It's not realistic. They could have any for personal protection.

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That's not realistic. Abortion, voting rights, of these political things.
The truth is in the middle, and that's the story here.
Was there a noose? Yes? Was it? Was it some
sort of racial intimidation? Was it a hate crime? No,

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at least not this time. Is there a lack of
understanding sensitivity based upon his the history of NASCAR with
the symbols that have been at racetracks. Yes? Was this
the case here? No? Did some of the media overreact
in either direction? Yes? Was it a hoax. Not really.

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It was a misunderstanding for all of us. And now
that we get the story, we start to realize if
we just take a breath and we just have conversations
and we start to evolve as people will be the
better off because of it. Bubba is not a bad guy.

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Bubba did a bit of a victory lab Bubba was
feeling himself. He got a little bit of bad pr
But let's be honest. Bubba was told what he saw,
what was seen, and based upon the picture, it's it's
easy to make that leap and you two would be angry.
First news is not always the best news. Correct news

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So uh, Jamal Adams has made it very very clear

(14:45):
that he wants to be traded, and the New York
Jets have some disfunction within their ranks. Yesterday, there's a
story that Miniche meant to had He's gonna do this
in five minutes. Niche met to New York Daily News.
He's the guy who knows all. Now. Does that mean

(15:05):
that he's spoken to every player? No, But his report
yesterday was that not only does Jamal Adams have an
issue with Adam Gaister, head coach, and there's lack of
respect there. But he's not the only one. He's not
the only one. Uh. There's additional reports, additional reports that

(15:27):
Jamal Adams to the forty Niners is quote picking up
steam all right now, Jamal Adams all Pro strong safety,
All Pro strong safety meaning he was the best strong
safety in football last season, should be pointing out Derwin
Jameston Hurt. He recovered one fumbull, scored one touchdown, recorded

(15:51):
six and a half sacks. Of course, you can play
him all over the field. Batted down seven passes, intercepted
a pass, forced two fumbles, the six pick of the
two thousand seventeen drafts, right, and of course that's three
picks after the forty Niners took Solomon Thomas, who, as
much as the Niners have killed it, Solomon Thomas was

(16:12):
a bust. Adams has been great, of course. He played
college football at l s U and there there seems
to be seems to be some steam being picked up
with the possibility of him going to the forty nine. Well,
we'll ask, and that's multiple reports, uh saying that multip

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reports do GLI show Fox Sports Radio. He is synonymous
with NFL Insider in New York, right, he's miniche Met
the New York Daily News. This guy always has the
good stuff coming from the New York Jets, who provide
plenty of fodder for those of us who do this
for a living. Uh, Manich. Let's let's start with with
Jamal Adams because his relationship with his head coach, his

(17:02):
desire for a new contract, uh, seems to be the
tipping point in so many, so many different parts of
this um. Are they far apart to the Jets? What
is Joe? Where is Joe Douglas with Jamal Adams in
regards to his desires to have a lengthy and and
profitable contract extension. Well, publicly, Joe Douglas has said this

(17:23):
offseason that he wants Jamal Adams to be a Jet
for life. Privately, Uh, neither George, Joe Douglas, nor anybody
affiliated with the Jets has actually offered Jamal Adams a contract,
So you've got to kind of pick what you believe.
Do you believe that this general manager in this organization
want the player, uh for eternity, or do you believe

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what is actually transpired behind the scenes, which is all
that talk is great, but where's the offer? I mean,
you can't really have a productive dialogue when there is
no initial offer. Um. Okay, So what does Jamal how
much does Jamal Adams actually want? I don't know what
Jamal Adams Uh. Once I think it would be a

(18:06):
fair ask to be the highest paid safety. But I
do think that at this point six months really you know,
into this offseason. Uh, of course, it's it's about money,
but it's not simply about money that that's a factor. Uh.
This player does not like playing for this head coach
for a number of different reasons. And he's not alone.

(18:27):
Adam Gates is not a respected person in that organization
in the locker room, uh, even among the coaches and
some of the front office. So I think when you
get to this point regarding Jamal Adams, yes, money matters. However,
there's a reason why Jamal Adams is willing to play
for other teams this season without getting a contract extension.

(18:48):
I think he wants some stability from an organizational standpoint,
and he absolutely wants a stable leader, which he does
not feel that he has here. Okay, so yesterday we
discussed some of your report that these Jamal items are
a lack of respect for Adam Gates. But he's not
alone in that locker room. Um has has Has he

(19:08):
lost the locker room or maybe did he ever have
the locker room to lose? Yeah, that's a good question.
I think anyone who's been around Adam Gaze, Uh, the
best sample size would probably be the players that we're
with him in Miami, because that's the only other time
that he was the head coach. I think they will
tell you that Adam gates m O is that he's
a good salesman initially and uh, you know, he may

(19:31):
lead you to think that he's got your best interest
in mind. But over time, I think, uh that we
should give players credit. You know, it depends on the
person and the player and their level of experience dealing
with coaches. But my experience has always been that ultimately
players find out if you're a B S, if you're
if you're not authentic. Uh, that's going to shine through.

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And it takes a different amount of time for different players.
But you know, a year and a half after Adam
Gaze the arrived here in New York, I think the
prevailing sentiment in that locker room is that he does
not have their best interests in mind. He's got self
preservation in mind, and he's got a lot of focus
and attention on the quarterback. Rightfully so. But you know,
outside of the quarterbacks, I don't think very many people

(20:16):
in that building tolerate were respective. Okay, so they did
finish seven and two when Donald came back. Uh that
wasn't that wasn't enough. That wasn't enough. Uh No, because
I think that players play for themselves, they play for
each other. Uh this, you know, notion that they rallied
around Adam Gaines is uh faulty. It's not accurate. It's

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not true at all. I can tell you. For I
can tell you that most of the defensive players, uh
you know, I don't want to say every defensive player
because I haven't talked to every defensive player, but probably
in large the defensive players view Greg Williams as their
head coach. Uh So, Uh, if anything, they would be
playing for Greg Williams, but I honestly believe that they
were playing for each other more than anything else. You
mentioned that they finished, You know, they finished six and

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two technically in the back half of the season. I
can make a solid case they actually finished five and two,
and they played a de facto a preseason game against
the Bills backups and it took them all four quarters
to win that game. So I know history will say
that they were seven and nine team last year. I
think the reality is that they were six and nine
team that they actually played the real Buffalo Bills, the varsity,
they probably would have finished six. I will tell you, though,

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that some of this is not just like this is here.
Here's the mistake, okay. I mean there's a bunch of
mistakes that seemed to be made. Gaye was a curious
higher case was also in the division. So it's tough
to win over guys that saw your team and maybe
didn't didn't didn't respect how your team or end players talk.
And I agree with you, you can't fool players. But
I think having Greg Williams is your defensive coordinator, you

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you better be very you better be very secure in
yourself and with the organization because he can be divisive.
He just can he you know. I mean there's how
things went down in Cleveland are a perfect example of it.
How it went down with the Rams are a perfect
example of it. I'm not in any way impugning um

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his his credibility or his success as a defensive coordinator,
but this wouldn't be the first time where it became
the defense versus everybody else in a franchise. Well, I
don't think he's a leader, and I know that players
see that. They're there every day for hours on end. Uh.
He is a glorified quarterbacks coach. I had actually people

(22:28):
in the organization described him that way. To me, he's
fully invested in trying to get Sam Donald better. Uh.
But you know, he's not just the quarterback teacher. He's
the head coach of the football team. And if anybody
who spent a reasonable amount of time in that building
during the course of the off season in the season,

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they will see that Greg Williams is clearly a more
commanding presence. He clearly has leadership style. Uh. You know,
whether you agree with that style or not is a
different question. But Adam case, he's really kind of separated
himself from half the team, which is not good if
you're a head coach. And look, Doug, I mean, this
is a guy who was emboldened by the fact that
he got hired in the same division after getting fired

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a week earlier. So it's not as if he were
humbled in any sort of way by being a coordinator
or a position coach for a year or two to
kind of learn from his mistakes in Miami. Uh. As
soon as he got that second contract from the Jets,
he believed that, you know, he was in the right,
the Dolphins were in the wrong. He was gonna win
and try to win with the Jets his way. He
got the money, he got the second year contract. He

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has told people this many times of the course in
the last year and a half. But the second contract
really emboldened him to try to do it his way
without without worrying and and and that's part of the
reason why he got the Mike mccagnan fired, got his
own general manager Joe Douglass in there. But the reality
is in inescapable when you talk about Adam Gates, he

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has been a part of seventeen different teams seventeen seasons,
in the NFL. Out of those seven team seasons, he's
been a part of a winning team, a team with
a winning record four of seventeen times, and three of
those four times Peyton Manning was his head was his quarterback.
So only once in his NFL career has he been
a part of a winning team, a winning organization that

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did not have Peyton Manning. What do you think they
do with Jamal Adams. I think that they are not
going to pay him this year and less ownership relaxes
the cash flow restrictions that they've given uh Joe Douglas.
That's the number one reason why Joe Jamal Adams does
not have a deal right now. Ownership does not want
to spend cash. If that doesn't change, Jamal Adams will

(24:36):
not get a new deal with the Jets, barring some
kind of incredible deal offer from another team. I don't
see him being on another team in I think he
will be with the Jets. If you're asking me now,
and you know, mid mid June, I think he will
be with the Jets. I don't think he'll be particularly happy,
but I think that's uh the most likely outcome for
this season. Yeah, I talked to some other people and

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you spent to join us New York Daily News, Doug
Gotling Show, Fox Sport Trade. If you know anything about Mini,
she totally tied in the NFL, not just the Jets. UM.
I talked to people in the league and they said, like, look,
a lot of these owners the cash cash is tight, right,
and no one knows what the salary cap is gonna
look like. We don't know if we have fans in
the stands. There's like a lot of questions. And even

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though there are some other teams who have paid uh
there their best player who's been through three years in
the NFL, it is not a hard and fast rule
that you have to do that you got them for
four years, you know, the rookie fifth year contracts spikes up,
and then of course you have the franchise tags. Like
there really isn't any leverage other than if you just

(25:38):
decide you don't want to play. If you're Jamal Adams. Well, look,
I'll say this about the Jet situation because I don't
know the particulars of other teams finances, but the Jets
using the pandemic uh even privately UM in regards to
why they're not paying Jamal Adams is a red herring
because they decided long before we were even aware of

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the pandemic back at the end of this past season,
that they were not going to spend a lot this year.
That's why when you look at free agency for the
Jets this offseason, they gave a litany of one year
contracts the second and third third year players for the
most part, because ownership did not want to dole out
the cash. Now, they had a lot of cap space,
but there's a distinct difference between cap and cash. Ownership

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was not willing to do that, so they had a
fairly strict budget for Joe Douglas UH this offseason. That's
why you saw all those one year deals. That's why
there's no desire to pay big money UH to Jamal
Adams because you'd obviously have to give him big cash
up front. That's the reason for the financial constraints for
the Jets. Again, I can't speak to the other teams,

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but that's why, UH, they're not paying a lot of people,
haven't paid a lot of people all off season. UH.
The other elements of this, DOUG is that Jamal Adams
is far and away their best players, so in theory. Technically,
you're absolutely right. From a contractual standpoint, the team has
leveraged over the player. However, this is the best player
that they've had since Darrell Reeves was in his prime.

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He's an all Pro twenty four year old, homegrown talent,
who has an incredible work ethic, who's the emotional leader
of the team, who has never once gotten in trouble
off the field. If the biggest criticism you have of
Jamal Adams is that he is emotional on social media,
I think he's doing pretty good for himself. If that's
the biggest check mark against Jamal Adams, because he does

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everything else the right way. He's comported himself. Uh, exemplary
on the field Monday through Friday in practice. Uh. He
literally nobody out worths that guy. So he he leads
by example. He's not He's not relying just on his talent.
There's a reason why Greg Williams today was effusive in

(27:44):
his praise of Jamal Adams, saying that he has coached
Hall of Fame players and if Jamal Adams stays healthy, uh,
Jamal has a legitimate chance of following, you know, down
that same path and looked a pro bowler, two time
Pro bowler, and All Pro in his first three seasons.
I tend to agree with Greg Williams. Um okay, So

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let me ask you this, what about Sam Where is
Sam Donald on Adam Gaze? Well, Sam Donald spends the
most time with Adam Gates all the quarterbacks do so
of the returning quarterbacks that Sam Donald and and David fails.
And Sam Donald's DNA is such that he wants to
see and good the good in everybody. He wants to
believe that this coach is going to bring the best
out of him, just like he wanted to believe that

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Jeremy Bates, the offensive coordinator when he was a rookie,
was going to bring the best out of him. I
think that's just kind of how Sam Donald has has made.
You know, he's not a guy who's going to trash
the coach. I don't think he's the type of guy
who would go to management and say, hey, you know,
I need a better coach, I need a better teacher.
That's just not who he is. He's also only twenty
three years old. There's guys who are older than him, uh,

(28:50):
you know throughout that locker room who have a better
sense and a better handle of what this coach really is.
And again, you know, Donald is never going to throw
anybody under the bus, which is ironic because the guy
that you know, he probably would say positive things about
never hesitates to throw people under the bus. Yeah. Yeah,

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that's that's. That's that that's that's that's fascinating. It's absolutely fascinating.
And now is the kind of the kind of window.
All right, Um, we haven't talked about Levian Bell. And
one of the curious things that Adam Gates did when
he got the job or when they signed Levian Bell,
and then it comes out that he didn't want to
sign Levian Bell for that much money. Um, there was

(29:32):
talk of them moving Levian Bell. It's hard to move
that big contract for a running back. Where is Levian Bell?
And all this? Well, I think if the Jets could
have traded him at the trade deadline, Uh, they would have.
They obviously couldn't at the time because that contract is
too much of an albatross. Uh, they could have trade.
If they could have traded in this off season, they
absolutely would have. But again, the contract costs for about

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fourteen million do this season. That's well above market value
for the pos Asians. So the next question becomes at
the trade deadline, if the Jets are not in contention,
if Levy On Bell's not substantially more productive than he
was last year, and the reason he wasn't productive, I
fully believe is that he was deployed in the exact
wrong way. Uh. But if he is not producing at

(30:16):
the deadline this year, they will try to trade him again. Uh.
In terms of Adam Gates not wanting Bell because there's
the money, uh, that also is a red herring. That's
a convenient fabrication that he came up with after it
leaked out that he never wanted him. And the reason
he never wanted him is because his offenses are about
spreading the wealth. He likes to have four or five

(30:36):
different guys who can threaten the defense and maybe not
one superstar per se, but you know a bunch of
very good players that that's kind of how his offense
is built. He was not interested in revamping his offense, uh,
to make a tailor made ironically for one of the
best dual threat running backs in the NFL. So it
was about Bell conforming to his system instead of him

(30:57):
being flexible and tailoring a scheme around such a talented player.
So that's the reason he didn't want Levyan Bell. When
it came out that he didn't want him, he kind
of tried to do some damage control behind the scenes
and say that he didn't want him because he didn't
want to pay that much money for the position. Last thing,
why is it always this way with the Jets? Yeah,
that's a great question. Uh. You know, look, this is

(31:18):
the same ownership group for the past twenty years and
now general managers and head coaches come and go. We
saw a spike for two years in two thousand and
nine and two thousand and ten when Rex Ryan led
them to the a C Championship Game both of those years.
But by and large, Uh, there are some inherent issues. Uh,
from an organizational standpoint, Uh, from a structure standpoint, From

(31:38):
an influence standpoint, Who has influence in that organization? Who doesn't?
Most people, Uh, you know don't know these people by name.
I do, But you know, there's there's some obstacles inherently.
But ultimately, uh, people come and go. Players come and go,
coaches come and go. Uh. For the last two decades, Uh,
we've had the same owner niche bet To read the

(32:00):
stuff in New York Today the News. Follow him on
social media. Mani's great stuffs. As always, really appreciate you
being our guest. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific Doug gottlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Every
day at this time we talked about the stories of today.
We do so I play the game big. This is

(32:24):
game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Steve the Sega.
What's the game today, John Game? Guess who I will
give you? Yes, we said, guess who that's me today
and tomorrow. Yes, I'll give you the item and you

(32:46):
guess the answer. That is the correct guest. But that's
not question number one. Guess who will be enshrined alongside
the class for the Pro Football Hall of Fame next year,
The Class of two THO that is correct. The Pro
Football Hall of Fame announced that this year's Hall of

(33:08):
Fame Game and the Trine ceremony have been canceled, with
the Class of now being enshrined alongside the Class of
next summer on separate days back to back days, but
also Pro Football Talk pointing out remember this was the
whole centennial celebration thing, and they have ten seniors that
are going into Hall this year, and so the September
ceremony for that, the induction in Canton has been pushed

(33:31):
back a year as well. It's going to be a
very busy summer for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Theoretically,
in item to guess who will host the three Women's
World Cup, Brazil had backed out the United States. No,

(33:52):
it is Australia and New Zealand. The COVID wins to
thirteen over Columbia. The tournament will be expanded to third
two teams at the next World Cup, which is actually
bad news for those of us who watch the tournament
because there aren't thirty two good teams in the world.
Let's be honest, it's a good day for Australia. It's
a very good day for them. Thank you, Thank you

(34:14):
trying to stream cocktail South Korea, They're women's team went
oh and three at the last World Cup outscored eight
to one South Africa. When OH and three outscored eight
to one at a World Cup, a team that gets
there gets automatically three games you against the other three teams.
In your group. But remember Thailand, that game that the
US being thirteen and nothing, Alex Morgan five goals Thailand
when oh and three outscored twenty to one. And now

(34:38):
they expand it. Now it means good things potentially with
the experience. And okay, but for those watching, Steve you
got you're on a good path, and you're you're and
you just you you're trying to do the PC thing.
It's okay, No, it's not the PC thing. I'm saying.
I get why they're doing it. I'm saying it doesn't
benefit us the viewers. Yeah, well, you don't watch it. Yeah, well,

(35:01):
the sports titling remarkably remarkably watered down. Look, um, we
have what we have in our country is not perfect, okay,
and and title not there are some there is a
downside to Title nine because it has hurt some men's
sports college wrestling, for example. We're seeing tennis programs snipped

(35:24):
or whatever. Um. But the wind entitled the World Cup
and our our success and usual dominance in it is
a win for Title nine because women have been afforded,
you know, since nine, have been afforded resources um coming
up through sports correct, Whereas in other countries they're they're

(35:46):
lagging behind. I mean, so part of the reason Columbia
didn't win this is because it wasn't just facilities that
were lagging behind. There's the Columbia women's team. There was
at one point where they played an exhibition against the
US and they said on TV, you know, they haven't
played a game in the last five months since the
last World Cup. It's just there's no sponsorship for some

(36:06):
women's sports in other countries. Next item, Guess who announced
his retirement after twenty two seasons in the NBA. Vince Carter,
forty three years old, made his retirement official while co
hosting the Ringers Winging It podcast. Why is this a
story because this season is actually continuing. Of course this summer,

(36:27):
it's just Vince Carter's team is not continuing. The Atlanta
Hawks at forty seven, were one of those not invited
to finish the regular season this summer. They were so
far out part of the so called Delete eight. Guess
who plays in the NFL and ran into a scary
encounter with two Bears. Appropriately his position in football is safety.
Oh I saw this? Oh it's um used to play

(36:51):
for the Packers. That was He shared a video on
his Instagram account that showed him writing a scooter on
his proper when he encountered the bear in its cub.
Clinton Dix was unharmed and finally, guess who the lake?
You know what? He did not say? Ha ha yeah no, no,
just ran. There's no going up at that time. Guess

(37:12):
who the Lakers planned to targets in order to replace
Avery Bradley at guard Darren Carlson j R. Smith. Yeah, yeah,
I I didn't. Yes, of course I got it. Yeah,
I was already assuming Jared Smith. Okay, got it. Lebron
on the team. J R Out for a couple of
years a candidate to replace Bradley. This is game time

(37:37):
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I mean, um, the Jr. Smith thing. We we mocked

(37:57):
j R. Smith because of the own headed play he
made not knowing time score situation Game one NBA Finals
two years ago. It should be pointed out that in
many ways. J R. Smith was an outstanding big game
player when he played with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Like is
he does? He have his limitations? Absolutely had he been
a knucklehead in the past, Like yeah, like he You

(38:21):
don't want to count on j R. Smith to be
one of your best players, but Jerry Smith is shown
you can be the third best player in the NBA
Championship team. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon
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a app. What up Tug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio?

(38:42):
Mm hmmm, you know um? Albert Brier joined us in
an hour, Howard back in an hour and a half,
and I saw this. This is fast day to be um.
Just from Bleach Report. One one source told Tim bow

(39:03):
Temps and Andrew Lopez of ESPN. One source inside the Pelicans,
he's gonna shock some people. He being Zion Williamson. The
exact said. Williamson is a guy who drives eyeballs and attention.
The NBA would love to have a Michael Jordan's versus
the eighties six Celtics moment in the first round. If

(39:24):
they could get their ideal world, that's what they'd want.
Zion has been diligent about taking care of himself. That's
David Griffin, said, the Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations.
He's in good shape physically and mentally. Zion before before
COVID nineteen postponed the season, was averaging twenty three and

(39:48):
a half points a game, six point eight rebounds a game,
two point to assists a game, and he did so
in only nineteen appearances. He was thirteenth and offensive efficiency.
Um Okay, look, I think Zi Willimson has a chance
to be tremendous. He's what's called a small ball five,

(40:10):
which is essentially the position that Draymond Green has popularized.
Draymond Green's effectiveness is because he can effectively guard all
five positions on the floor. Now, some of it is
that just aren't a lot of big back to the
basket centers. Who are you know, Shaquille O'Neil, who just

(40:32):
I love Draymond Green. I think he's tremendously guarding a
lot of these centers today, but like he would have
no chance against some of the centers of a previous era. Now,
Zion is stronger, heavier, thicker um and I think slightly
smaller than Draymond Green. He's obviously a much better athlete

(40:55):
terms of vertical athlete. He like uh, like Draymond, doesn't
really have a jump shot. There's definitely no stop and
shoot game. But unlike Draymond, he's got an extra He's
got one he can score with this back to the basket.
That's one of the underrated things about Zion. He gets
in the post. He's especially if he gets a little
guy on him. He's just too strong, and he gets

(41:17):
a big guy on him. He's too quick and athletic,
so he actually has a post game. He can pass,
maybe not like Draymond Green pass, but he can pass,
and obviously a crazy first step and ridiculous explosiveness. But
but I have a warning for people. I have a
warning for people. Zion played nineteen games and then had

(41:40):
this substantial break, and I would guess that, like many players,
he stayed in good shape. And I would guess, like
many players, if he's smart, he actually worked on his game.
But Zion has not shown that his body can hand
can handle the count, the constant rigor whether it's college
basketball or of the NBA. Right his body is broken down,

(42:03):
and so I don't know how much New Orleans is
going to use him, and if they do use him
in every game, I, like anybody else, fear if his
body will hold up. But that's only a portion of
why I would be so hesitant, at least in this
his rookie year, to think he'll have some sort of
Jordan versus eighties six Celtics sort of moment if in fact,

(42:23):
the Pelicans get to the NBA playoffs. Zion can't shoot, Okay,
that doesn't mean he won't be able to shoot eventually.
That doesn't mean he won't be able to make enough
shots eventually. But as of now, everything he does is
purely on effort, athleticism and speeding quickness around the basket, everything,

(42:47):
and it's a lot. It's great. But what we what
you haven't been told or you don't realize, is you
got twenty two teams. They're the only ones that can
come in and out of the buildings. I actually think
that basketball is it's there's gonna be in playoffs. It
could be a little bit of a tough watch one

(43:09):
because of the layoff right too, because the lack of
the crowd. Three, because these guys will be on the
road for several weeks together. And I'm not even talking
about once you get deep in the playoffs, longer on
the road, the more your legs, your chemistry gets challenged,
all of that stuff. But the biggest thing is everyone
is going to have a complete and throw a scattering

(43:30):
report on everybody they play, because you can walk down
to the arena and watch them play, or they're they're
on TV and there's only one game going on at
once and everyone will watch. There's a reason that guys
in the regular season, in the playoffs, all of a sudden,
their stats change, their shooting percentage changed, because now now
you lock in on the scattering port. Now you lock

(43:51):
in on the guys and some NBA players, it doesn't
matter like you can know what Kevin rants doing. He's
just he's seven ft tall with arms. Um, he's going
to score Steph Curry. You can do, you can be
physical with and the officiating change in the NBA playoffs,
but he's going to score Zion because he has such

(44:11):
a gaping hole in his game and because people will
will try different things, we'll figure out how to guard him.
This Look, it's it's the fear I have for Lamar
Jackson as people have an entire year to to to
watch film and understand Greg Roman's offense and how they
use it. Like if if you don't have time to

(44:31):
repair in the regular season, you know you got a
day or two midweek to put your game plan. It's
hard when they play. They being the Ravens, played differently
than anybody else in the NFL. Nobody runs the read
option the way the Ravens do. No one is like
Zion Williamson. He's just more athletic and people didn't have
a book on him. He only played nineteen games, well

(44:54):
the eight lead up games they play before the playoffs.
Every scout will have a book on Zion Williamson and
make him make him do things he doesn't do well period.
You combine that with the fact that that's a lot
of wear and tear on a body which to this
point hasn't shown the ability since leaving high school to

(45:17):
stand up to the rigors of college or pro basketball.
You put those two things together and yeah, he'll have
fresh legs, so will everybody else. And I'd like to
see the weight he comes. Now, Look if he spent
the last three months losing weight, and he comes back

(45:39):
at two fifty. It could be a different story if
you spent the last three months only working on his
jump shot. The problem, even with three months of working
on your jump shot is it's totally different once you
do it in a game, right, you have what's called
game slippage, and all the work you've done doesn't go
out the window, but it does. You're a expectations should

(46:00):
level off quite a bit, quite a bit because doing
it in a game is totally different than doing it
in practice. Like this was my friend Colin Coward earlier
today on his show. If you look around the NBA today,
who's the next star? It's Zion James Harden doesn't want

(46:24):
to be the face of the league. Russell Westbrook is
bad with the press and too often unhinged and difficult.
Kauai doesn't talk, and he honest is a wonderful kid
and a great player, But like Tim Duncan, who was
also both of those, he doesn't feel like a face
of the league. The best player is not always the face.

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Kareem was the best player for years, but he was
kind of aloof and prickly. Wilt scored lots of points,
but he was kind of flaky. Tim Duncan was wonderful
but never really embraced it. If you look at the
faces of the league, Dr J Magic, Jordan's shack lebron Kobe,

(47:07):
you gotta have four or five things. You gotta be
kind of cool, you gotta have charisma, you gotta have
a personality generally a little power mixed with finesse. Folks
Ion is the face of the league. He got a
million people to watch a high school game. Look, I'm
not disputing that he's popular. He's the first YouTube sensation

(47:30):
to become a college sensation. You you pair YouTube and
his popularity in high school with Duke and the fact
and his incredible smile and warm and generous personality. And
unlike R. J. Barrett, his his teammate at Duke, he
doesn't need the ball as much to be effective. You
combined YouTube a you sensation with Duke, and then, even

(47:57):
though we got a limited sample size, some unbelo lievably
explosive games in the n b A, and you have
yourself a guy who's wildly popular. But but but we
have to catch our breath. He is very young, and
he is. He is very much a jump shot away
and the number one skill will required in two thousand

(48:19):
and twenty and beyond in the NBA to be successful
is to shoot the ball. It's really really hard to
not be able to shoot the ball. Now, Look, he
doesn't have to be Steph or Clay to be great.
Doesn't have to be Stepford Clay. He just has to
make enough to where you gotta put a hand up.
If you do now, the sudden puts you at a
position for his drive. He's just not there yet, and

(48:43):
he hasn't shown the ability to play and not get
hurt long enough. So I'm gonna slow my role with
calling him the face of the league. It's like Collins
completely forgot about Steph Curry. We've completely forgot about Kevin
duray In like those guys are much more the face
of the league. Zion is wildly popular. He is right,

(49:07):
he is must see TV. But the more and more
NBA people get an eye on him, the better the
book will be. And considering how many games and how
short a period of time and how good the scatter
report is going to be, I don't think once you
get to the playoffs in Orlando it's going to be
a good time for Zion Williams. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

(49:28):
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. On this side, you
have Clay Travis, who continues to do his internet shows
where he's like, look, you gotta look at deaths, not
positive COVID tests, which I do agree with, Okay, in
general principle. I think yesterday the lowest number of deaths

(49:48):
in a couple of months whatever like that. That seems
to be trending the right way. On the other hand,
there are a lot of concerned areas of the country
as we have had recent and spikes in positive COVID tests.
And look, I'm not an idiot, so please don't try
and act like I'm an idiot or any of these
people putting out these stature it is. I understand that

(50:11):
more testing will be more positive tests. But testing has
been readily available for about a month now, and we're
seeing not a leveling off or a dropping. We're seeing
a spike of positive results. I don't know if they're
asymptomatic or symptomatic. I don't know about hospitalizations. It does
seem though that to any people like Clay Travis, who

(50:32):
I'm gonna point out is a friend of mine as
well as a colleague. And just so you know, you
can be friends with somebody who you vehemently disagree with,
who you slightly disagree with, or some of you agree with.
I don't want to have all friends where I go. Like,
you know what I think? I think Tom Brady is
the greatest. I think that too, Me too, me too,

(50:53):
me too? Okay, you know what I think? I think
Michael Jordan's the greatest. Me too, me too, me too?
Like what is at if that's who you want to
surround yourself with. Good for you. Hey, that's called an
echo chamber. That's what Lebron James has on the shop.
You know what I think? Yep, you're right, Like that's

(51:15):
not actually Barbara's barber shop conversation is kind of like
what they make fun of in coming to America. Rockimas Yo,
Lewis kicked his ask right, remember that anyway? Um so too?

(51:37):
And like, look, I like Clay he's when they call
him Corona bros. Right, people who are like deniers of
of this sort of thing. I'll only point this out.
Texas was one of the first states to open back
up right, and the numbers are so concerning that their governor,

(51:59):
who has been an outspoken critic of the quarantine, who
had previously allowed well, previously said they would allow fans
at professional and collegiance sporting events right now. In Texas.
I believe it's Governor Abbott today said look, we're not
going to go to phase three just yet because we're

(52:23):
we we don't like the numbers we're seeing. So you
have Texas that always says we're doing our own things, saying, oh,
we may have opened this thing up a little bit
too quickly, which, by the way, is where I sit. Okay,
I'm not panicked walking around, and it has matt suit.
Welcome to the show. Okay, not I washed my hands.

(52:48):
I wear a mask outside. I've never really understood anti
mask person. Anti mask person reminds me of to my childhood.
We used to and Ramos is old enough. I don't
know if you guys are old enough for this. We
used to not have a seatbelt law. Right most of
my childhood. You'd stop short, my dad would stick his
arm out like that was gonna stop you from going

(53:08):
through the windshield, and among the ridiculous claims. In addition to,
you know, hurting somebody's freedom, you would have people go
before state legislatures and Congress go, well, what happens to
your car gets submerged, It's really hard to get your
seatbelt off. Well, on the infinitesimal percentage of time that

(53:28):
your car gets submerged, it should be pointed out that
as you flew off the bridge like dukes of hazard,
if you didn't have your seatbelt on, you'd probably either
go through or hit the windshield and be unconscious anyway,
So it wouldn't actually matter, but that was the defense.
Would you now look at you like, really, you didn't
have to wear a seatbelt. That's the stupidest thing ever,

(53:49):
which is kind of how all of us look at
those of you who are like I will not wear
a mask in public or a grocery store. Yeah. I
think Erry Seinfeld said it best. The funny thing about
the helmet law is it's protecting a brain that's that's
operating so poorly it doesn't know it needs to be protected, right,

(54:10):
that's the mask room. Um, so I don't care what
if you, I don't care what side of this you
sit on. I really don't. I'm not super panicked, but
I do wonder if my kids are gonna be able
to go back to actual learning in person. In August
in California, I was optimistic, now cautiously pessimistic. I don't know,

(54:34):
but I can't tell you this that if you're waiting
on a vaccine for COVID nineteen to go back to work,
you're not going back to work in two thousand twenty,
which is exactly what I think. Malcolm Jenkins, who resigned
with the New Orleans Saints and of course blasted Drew

(54:56):
Brees going back a couple weeks ago, said, going back
to yesterday, the NBA is a lot different than than
the NFL because they can actually quarantine all of their
players or whoever is going to participate, where we have
over two thousand players, even more coaches and staff. We
can't do that, and so we will end up being
kind of on this trust system, where the honor system,

(55:18):
where we just have to hope that guys are social
distancing and things like that, and that puts all of
us at risk. Not only you know us as players
and who's in the building, but when you go home
to your families, you know, I have parents that I
don't want to get sick. And I think until we
get to the point where we have protocols in place,
and until we get to the place as a country
where we feel safe doing it, we have to understand
our football is a non essential business. Uh, and so

(55:40):
we don't need to do it, and so the risk uh,
you know, has to be really eliminated before we before
I would feel comfortable we're going back. Okay, So if
the risk has to be eliminated, you just said I'm
not playing football and calling your sport a non essential business,
like in reality, he's rights entertainment. But the I mean,

(56:03):
Malcolm Jacobs doesn't seem to understand any of this, any
of it, any of it. And look, it's okay, it's
really really hard to really hard to know, like what
are we getting better? We getting worse? Either's so many
difference things like right, I'm not I'm not a MENSA member,

(56:24):
all right, I'm up. I know my intelligence, My level
of intelligence is at least above average, or at least
it was when I was a kid, when it was scored.
I don't know. I don't know if all the small
in Los Angeles or or I've I've been dumb down
based upon TV and my habits and whatever. I don't know,
but I think of myself as having above average intelligence.

(56:45):
I try and absorb all the different types of media.
I have zero real feel for what's taking place, where
it's trending. Are we good? Are we bad? But do
you think the Texas slowing down their role of opening
up is that's called throwing caution and that's that's being cautious.
But I do know this one thing. If you want

(57:05):
risk eliminated, that's a vaccine. That means you're not gonna
play football this year. I mean, he said several things
which are just wrong. Well, we have two thousand players.
You don't have two thousand players on an individual NFL team. Okay,
you have a ninety man roster that gets cut down
to a fifty three man roster. Hey, that's what you have.

(57:28):
And you actually have more control over things because well,
you can wear gloves when you play football, and you
wear a helmet. You can wear a mask underneath that helmet.
Like there's actually more. You can have protocols in place. Yeah,
going home to see your parents or your grandparents, that's
gonna be problematic. But guess what, it would be problematic

(57:49):
even if you're out in the real world, let alone
playing football. So I'm not saying that his concerns aren't real.
And Malcolm jinx Iss not an idiot, he's like the
rest of it, Like I don't want to believe. But Malcolm,
if you're telling us you're not playing unless the risk
has been eliminated, that means you're not playing until there's

(58:11):
a vaccine. There's not going to be a vaccine this
calendar year. It's very very very very very unlikely because
even if they get the vaccine, it has to go
through like there's so much it has to go through
before they just start injecting in people. Yeah, sure, I'll
be the first run. Well no, no, no, right, you

(58:33):
start like twitching. I don't know what what the side
effects are. But just don't say that unless you mean it.
And if you mean it, we gotta get a replacement.
And is football and essential business? Probably not? But I
mean what is an essential business? Right? Like Starbucks got

(58:56):
to stay open? That an essential business? Hell yeah, I
need mc gulf feet. That was actually the voice of
my wife when she doesn't get her coffee. It's not
an essential business, Like, come on, dude, we fudge the
essential business thing for a long time. Everybody makes lots
of money, and it makes people much happier, and like

(59:17):
it affects the gambling industry, it affects uh TV, radio, print,
all the players, all the staff, all the stadium workers.
And that's even we don't even know if you have
fans in the stands, you got parking, you got restaurants,
you got all the all affected by football. Is it
essential in dictionary definition? No? But is it super important

(59:39):
to the economy. Hell yeah, we gotta get that thing
up and going. It is vital. Sports is a vital
cog in the engine of the American economy. If you're
a denier of that, you're not paying attention a vital cog.

(01:00:00):
Because I could go through fifteen different different types of
businesses which are directly affected by if they play or
don't play football, especially with fans in the stands, all
of it's not just all of those vendors, the food

(01:00:22):
that all those vendors sell, where is that food produced
in the United States? The security, Hey, parking restaurants, Hey,
the municipality. You know, we're gonna have all of these
different protocols for schools and other events. It's gonna be

(01:00:42):
really expensive for your city to put on any sort
of events and to protect you, etcetera, etcetera. Plus you know,
like look with with all the protests, you're having cops
on overtime. Whether you want more police or less police
or smart all this everything costs more money. Where do
you think they get the money? You know? And by

(01:01:03):
the way, the good cops and some of the bad cops,
they can't, they can't get over time. They do so
by working security at some of these events. Like are
you you shoe companies, apparel companies, television, digital media, all

(01:01:24):
of your brands that you represent as an athlete, all
affected by football? Is it essential? What is essential? You
give me the definition of essential, and I would say,
while it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of kenn our
country function without it. No, But it is essential to

(01:01:44):
the economy of all of these major cities that professional sports,
especially and collegiance sports are played. If you're a denier
of that, you don't understand how vital a cog it
is to the to the economy, to the engine of
the economy. And if you say I'm not playing until

(01:02:05):
I'm completely safe. You're not playing until you have a vaccine,
and that means you're not playing. In two thousand twenty
Doug Otlive Show, Fox Sports Trado, I guess this is
a quick aside. Okay, So the Dixie Chicks. Now if
if Colin Kaepernick basically got Dixie chicked, Okay, that's what happened,

(01:02:25):
like for people who forgot during the second goal four,
the Dixie Chicks were performing, I believe in London, okright.
And as as unpopular to the left as Donald Trump
is today, I would say that H. George Bush, George W. Bush,

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the second president, the son of George H. W. Bush,
was nearly as unpopular. And by the way, he's now
like beloved, beloved, you know, because he has this great
relationship with Michelle Obama, and I actually think he's a
pretty delightful guy. He's just he was just kind of
a dope, you know, he's just kind of I mean,

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he I have a friend who's uh introduced him and
let him in discussions. You know. That's what presidents do.
They make huge checks to go and give speeches, like
Bill Clinton goes to get speeches and they just collect checks.
It's a it's a good life. But he's so bad
as a public speaker that he just doesn't even do
he just as Q and A. They just have somebody

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come up and they just do Q and A and
just talks and then you're like, hell, this guy is
pretty smart. Kind of like him. He was just he's
bad on teleprompter. Not Trump level bad on teleprompter, but
bad on teleprompter, and you know, he would just he
just said some and he he also like Trump's almost
doing an impression. He kind of he did the nickname

(01:03:51):
thing before, giving everybody a nickname. His were more gentle
and clever and silly. But it's almost like Trump did
that and like, let's just be a jerk and called
you know, Joe Biden's sleepy Joel. Right. Anyway, So the
Dixie Chicks. If you think Colin Kaepernick got you know,
kicked out of the NFL because he took a knee,

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that's really what happened to Dixie Chicks. They go overseas
the war is going on, and they said they're embarrassed
to be from the United States. You know, everything is
different when you're in a foreign country representing your own country.
It by the way, is why. And this will be
interesting with next Summer's Olympics. I don't think it's been

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mentioned anywhere. I'm gonna tell you this. I you do
have a right to protest the national anthem whenever it's played.
I wouldn't do it if I'm representing the United States
and I'm in Japan. That's that's different. That is different.
We are a flawed nation. We are not perfect. We

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were not built on the perfect foundation because what we
said in words didn't match up in practice. I'm not
disputing any of that, but it's different when you're representing
our country, and our country has supported you and promoted
you and given you an opportunity to represent all of us.
So that that's the first thing. But the Dixie Chicks

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apparently are changing their name to Chicks because Dixie is
a reference to the South, especially during the time of Confederacy.
Now I don't believe in Look, I'm not a Southern historian,
all right. And and by the way, as a kid
who was born in Milwaukee and grew up in southern California,
I got a great affinity for the South. Oklahoma is

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not really the South. It's not really the southwest of
the Midwest. But I spent plenty of time in the South,
and I mean the food, the culture, for the most part,
the people. I think there's a ton of negative perceptions
from people who haven't been in the South, and we
get a snapshot of it. Well, NASCAR, everybody's flying a
Confederate flag, Like, okay, not really, okay, not really. In

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terms of interpersonal like, dude, people in the South pretty
damn friendly. Drive down the street in a neighborhood, everybody, wives.
There's a reason that people say, so, are we gonna
eliminate Southern hospitality? You know what we gotta do? Southern
comfort can now only be called comfort, Like, let's not
lose our minds. But here's here's the most ironic thing ever.

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This is irony. Two. The word chicks could probably be
seen as a negative connotation, all right, two thousand team
like chicks like whoa me too movement? Okay, chicks is
what a guy calls a woman in slang. It's disrespectful.

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Take chicks off the day. Two twenty Dixie is disrespectful.
I don't I don't even know what to do. What
are we doing? Oh, there is not a human being
that you care to ever call a friend or even

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an acquaintance that woke up today and goes, you know,
we need to do Dixie Chicks is highly offensive. You
need to take Dixie out of the name. Like, dude,
you can take your cancel, cancel culture and shove it
where the sun don't shine. Okay. I have complete respect
for all races of people. I know when things that

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are said and how we've had to adjust our language.
I grew up in the nineteen eighties when the R
word was used and it was seen as being funny.
It's not anymore, all right. There's things that we used
to call people who are you know, we used to
use words. I mean, think of the tackle football game
that you used to have when you were a kid.

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Were whoever had the ball was tackled. Everybody knows the name,
you just don't say it. Okay. So language does evolve,
which just does. But dude, no one was offended by
Dixie Chick and two thousand nineteen Chicks was offensive. Two
thousand twenty Dixie somehow offended somebody, and so they're like,

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you know what, let's just change our name to the Chicks.
I will say this, I love their music. Back when
they were hot. Because I'm just gonna be totally honest
with you. I liked it, you know super And I
can like music and not agree with your your politics
or whatever, no matter what side you're on. Don't don't

(01:08:31):
actually care. Don't care. But this is where we are.
Welcome to two. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. God I hate phonies. God, I hate phonies.

(01:08:55):
Evander Holeyfield tweets out there are no shortcuts, only hard work,
Team holy Field. But the same Evander Holyfield that got
caught getting steroids back in the day, who is so
dumb that he had his home address listed and he
put the name as Evans Fields and they called him up.
The FBI called him up and says, is this Evans Fields?

(01:09:19):
Yes it is? Is this really Avander Holyfield? Yes it is.
Were you expected to get steroids and human growth hormone? Yeah?
Where is it? Right? There's no there's no shortcuts except
when you take h H and steroids, which is a
short cut. God, I hate phonies. It's all right if

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you just go like, hey man, I'm in my fifties
you know, I got knocked in the head a little bit,
made a little help trying to get back in shape.
Took the needle, right, he took the needle back when
he was the heavyweight champion. I wouldn't think it's okay,
But I really don't like when you're a guy that's
a steroid guy. H G H guy and you're no shortcuts?

(01:10:02):
Wait what? Yeah? We when did we get to this? When?
When did this? How did we get to this place?
How do we get to this place? Oh? I got
a bunch of stuff. Allow as you rolled on this,
this is I'm just like fired up today. Okay, I

(01:10:24):
want to make I got one that's really important. I
understand that if you read it on a piece of paper,
the word redskin would be would would feel like it's
an offensive word. But here's the thing, and this is
really important. When the Redskins were created, right when it

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first became a football team, was it with the intent
in any way of being disrespectful to Native American culture. No,
it was not. It was meant to honor Native American culture. Secondly,
if you want to tell me that it's a slur,
you can tell it to me. And if I read

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it on a piece of paper, like red skin that
feels feels like it. Has there ever been a human
being in the last thirty years who have ever used
the term red skin to describe or even slur a
Native American? Of course not. It's not even part of
it's not even part of the vernacular vocabulary. There are

(01:11:28):
other words that people have used that are negative slangs
towards Native Americans, although most people frankly don't talk about
Native Americans except for when you do the you know,
you cowboys and Indians are not really Indians? What do
you you know? So to the cancel culture, it's like
Darren Schneider, we we went through this, I don't know,
it was like five six years ago, and I said

(01:11:49):
with the same thing I'm saying now. I don't believe
Dan Snyder is gonna change it. I don't believe he
should change it. And though, and you have to be
very cautious of this because there's a guy who I
really respect, names Mike Wise. Okay, wrote for the Washington
Post for a long time, and he's on this. He's
on this march to get Redskins taken off the name.
He's like, hey, look in Native American communities. They don't

(01:12:12):
like the redskin name. Now, you know why, because the
Redskins suck. If the Redskins were good, everybody be like
man in Native American communities, they'd be back wearing Redskins.
In the nineteen eighties when they were winning Super Bowls,
they were the most popular team on reservations. You know
why because they were good. If we're really gonna do

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this and get to the root meaning of every single
word in every single mascot, guess what's gotta go? Buccaneers,
gotta go. Pirates gotta go. Pirates are not good people.
They're just not I know, I like Pirates of the Caribbean.
I've watched all of those movies. I frankly like the
Ride of Disneyland, even though it's kind of lame. Now,
pirates are not good people. Remember I am your captain.

(01:12:58):
Now that's Samalian pirates. Er, we're really gonna do this?
Like when does this end? Get to what the Fox said?
And now I'm fired up today. This is Brandon Marshall,
former Star Wide receiver, on the Herd earlier today talking

(01:13:20):
about the Green Bay Packers. Green Bay has got to
change the way they do business because Aaron Rodgers too late.
It's too late, you think, so it's too late. Come on, man,
they sort have won two Super Bowls in the last
five years. You to me, Aaron Rodgers is my favorite
quarterback in the NFL, but you wasted this guy's career.

(01:13:41):
You've got one super Bowl out of Aaron Rodgers. Are
you kidding me? It's too late, It's too late. Okay,
I mean, look, I know we want to blame organism.
Every somebody has to get the blame. Okay, but it's
like we've forgotten that Aaron Rodgers in the NFC Championship

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game with a pulled calf against the Seahawks. It was
that was when the Seahawks lost to the Patriots in
the Super Bowl. Okay, the Seahawks should not have been there.
Aaron Rodgers playing a pulled calf, very limited playbook. They're
up two scores late, and they botch an on sidekick
and a couple of things go bump in the night.

(01:14:24):
Then they get to play the Atlanta Falcons in the
NFC Championship Game and they have no defensive backfield. They
get down, they just get the they get mopped off
the field. Okay, That was in two thousand sixteen. In
two thousand seventeen he broke his collar bone twice. That's
not the team's fault. Then they had the year where
Mike McCarthy gets fired midyear. They had all kinds of issues.

(01:14:46):
Last year they got to the NFC Championship game. Like,
we make these unrealistic expectations getting to a super Bowl.
Winning a Super Bowl is freaking hard. Peyton Manning, it
was four Brady went on this last stretch. Most people
would say Peyton Manning was the greatest quarterback of all time.
He went three times or four times? He won two. Okay,

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Brett Farves arguably the greatest quarterback of his generation. He
went twice, right, he won one. Like it's hard, and
when you're in the NFC, which has been more competitive,
or at least than the a f C East, it's
doubly hard. That's what the Fox said. Coming up next,
Howard Back's going to join us. I'll ask him how

(01:15:29):
the Lakers plan to replace Avery Bradley. This is the
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(01:15:53):
I I hope we get back to sports here in
the July, which it appears we're on track for watching
uh PGA golf. They're playing River Highlands in Connecticut, by
the way. Just you know. One of the things I
actually like about and I it's part of it is
I've played that course several times over in Connecticut. Is Um.

(01:16:16):
I like that there's no stands there. Look, they do
a really good job of tricking it up, making it longer.
There's a cool hunter Mayhans, a good friend of mine,
a friend of the program. He won there. I don't know,
I want to maybe say going back ten years ago. Anyway, Um,
it's a fun it's it's it's kind of the Phoenix

(01:16:37):
of New England in terms of how much fun people have. Like, look,
there's no I think it's fourteen toll in Phoenix. It's
a cool event. But you take down all the stands,
you take down all the booths and all that other stuff,
and you're like, oh, it's just a golf course with
some houses around it, Like yeah, really is. So it's
kind of neat I dig it. I wonder what the

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NBA quarantine playoff games are gonna look like like. I
know what the Milkhouse looks like. It's had a U
events that used to have the NBA pre draft combine there.
It's had a lot of things in it. It's like
a five thousand seat Jim. And obviously they've had a
little bit of lead up already, and I'm guessing even

(01:17:21):
more lead up now here in this last month of
getting it ready. And it's not just all the quarantine protocols,
all the COVID nineteen protocols they have to put in place,
but also, you know, I wonder if they're going to
do what they've done in Israel, for example, where they
bring in big screens to make it look like there's
a crowd there when there's no crowd there. I wonder
if other teams are gonna be allowed to come in

(01:17:42):
person and watch and scout. Um. There's a lot of
questions I have. You know a guy who might know,
Howard Beck. He's kind of have to spend some time
with us. He's the NBA writer for Bleach Report. Welcome in.
This is the Doug gott Leave show here on Fox
Sports Radio, the I Heart Radio app. Before we bring
Howard and just a really quick promotion, I have a
podcast called All Ball, All Basketball. Talk a little bit

(01:18:06):
about Avery Bradley. We can talk about that with Howard,
talk a little bit about some college hoop stuff. And
then Mark Urgan, head coach of Maryland, is my guest
this week. And that was really really good. Interesting about
his backstory, uh, growing up, becoming a Kansas star and
then a coach, and then a head coach and now
the head coach Maryland. They won the Big Ten last
year before uh Corona shut him down. Let's welcome in

(01:18:26):
Howard Beck. Howard, how are you? Thank you? I'm good. UM,
what's the real real? What's the reaction within NBA circles
to and and Avery Bradley, who an important part of
the l A Lakers deciding to stay home. I guess
for two reasons. One, Uh, you know he's part of
this coalition um and and says, you know, it's it's

(01:18:49):
distracting from the protest. And two because I guess he
has a six year old son who's got some health issues,
so he wouldn't be able to say what's the real
reaction from NBA people. Um, honestly, I haven't pulled anybody.
I don't. I don't know, Like I can't tell you
how how you know any any individual players decision is

(01:19:09):
gonna be going to be responded to her on the league,
I don't. I don't think most of the league is
gonna care one way or the other. You know, the
Lakers may have an opinion about that. His teammates or
coaches or others may have an opinion about that. I've
I've not spoken with anybody out there, so I couldn't
tell you. But listen, whether it's him or Trevor Ariza,
who has you know, a custody issue. Um, whether it's
the Davis Burton's with the Wizards, who is just concerned

(01:19:32):
about his health as he heads into to the biggest
free agency of his career. Um, whether it's guys who
are going to pull out because their wives or girlfriends
are pregnant and expecting sometime in the next few months
and they don't want to be gone for that. There's
gonna be any number of reasons why guys, and it's
it's and it's not a big number yet, So why
guys who are deciding to opt out of this. And

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I know, look, I think people just need to respect
these are personal choices based on their own circum stances,
their own home lives, um, the trade offs that they
think may or may not be worth while at a
time like this. This is all unprecedented. It's not what
anybody signed up for. It's not what anybody could have anticipated.
And you know, they're they're they're making a sacrifice in

(01:20:14):
salary to decide to sit it out, and um, you
know that that seems to me a fair way to
approach what is obviously an unprecedented situation. Howard back joining
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Does it, in your mind, as the guy who's covered
the sport for years, does it change the legitimacy of
whoever becomes the champion? It's a uh a qualified no,

(01:20:40):
it does not change it. But the qualified part is
it depends on who's on, who's there and who's not.
I mean, Lebron is not opting out of this. If
Lebron opted out of it, if Jana's opted out of it,
if Paul George or Kawhi Leonard d opted out of it,
if James Harden opted out of it, then yeah, it
changes the the you know, the the entire landscape because

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when superstars sit out, it's just different than if an
Avery Bradley or Trevor Rees stays home. That said, Avery
Bradley is really important to the Lakers, and like, this
is not an insignificant defection, This is not an insignificant
absence for them. Um, you know, they're they're may be
gonna sign j R. Smith and they're gonna patch it
up with you know, Alex Caruso and maybe Jr. And

(01:21:22):
Dion Waiters. Those guys aren't Avery Bradley and they don't
have his defensive chops, and you know, maybe that's the difference.
I mean, we tend to think of the mbient, simplistic,
reductive terms where the team with the best stars wins
the championship. And yeah, that's often the case. Talent dictates
a lot. But you know, you can think over the
years of how many times it's been critical defensive stops

(01:21:45):
or a key three pointer, you know, a Robbertrory three
pointer for for the you know, the shack of Kobe
Lakers Um Andrea Goodalla's block of lebron I mean, how
could ends up being the MVP of those those finals
are excause of it was Lebron's block of Igodala, but
the prior finals, Igadala's defense on Lebron um that that

(01:22:07):
proved critical. So do the role guys matter? They matter
a lot and it could change the course of things.
But I think the only way we see that this
postseason is being less legitimate than another will be if
it's stars who pull out or if it's stars who
get felled by the virus, and and that kind of
impact is hard to overlook. Yeah, the virus part is
really interesting. Howard back, our guest in the Doug Gottlieb Show,

(01:22:29):
NBA scene writer for Bleacher Report. It it feels to
me like and this is a this is a please
bear with me. It feels like a weird way of
saying it in and almost better if you get it
now right and then you get your two weeks quarantine
or whatever, then you get it out of the way
like this. That part feels that that I mean, like,
look that it just feels like that you're you're you're

(01:22:51):
better off getting it early rather than getting it late,
aren't you. I mean, look, there's there's probably some true
to that on a on a real pragmatic level of
you don't want to get the virus while you're in
the middle of the playoffs. Of course, of course you
don't want to end up in quarantine for a week
or two in the midst of the playoffs. Obviously, you

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don't want to get this at all. And I would
just say this because it's often overlooked in these discussions
when people talk about young, healthy athletes in the twenties
and thirties and they have nothing to worry about. There's
still scientists, doctors are still learning about this virus and
the impacts. And one of the impacts that has been
noted in the last few months is that otherwise healthy
people have sometimes ended up in I see you with

(01:23:34):
this virus. Otherwise healthy people have recovered from the virus
but had persistent ongoing issues with their lungs or other organs. Like,
we don't know all the ramifications of this, and so
it's you know, I would never just cavalierly say that
the guys are beout just getting it and getting it
out of the way, as if it's the seasonal flu.

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This is more serious than that. The ramifications of it
aren't completely known yet, and there's risk. And listen, if
your livelihood is making you know, very good money to
play this sport at a very high level, and you
recover from COVID but end up having reduced lung capacity,
which is a possibility that's going to affect the rest

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of your career and your future earnings. So this is
not It's not a small thing. How important is it
from Milwaukee to to to at least do well? Right
like they got They got two shots of this thing.
I know they can offer the super max to Janice
in this upcoming off season and maybe that becomes, you know,
the moment where we know if he really wants to

(01:24:36):
stay there the rest of his career. But do do
you feel like this is an important let's just call
it a tournament. This is a heightened uh level of
importance in terms of how they do in the tournament
for Milwaukee. Yeah. Um, Look, before the league suspended play

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um and before more serious things, you know, became the discussion,
I would say that this was one of the bigger
discussions in NBA circles. You know, how far do the
Bucks go? How far do they need to go to
convince the honest to want to stay there long term,
and you know your honest is is I think built
a little different than a lot of other stars of

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of this era. I think that that he does. He
does like the idea of staying there for the duration
of his career and likes the idea of being the
standard bearer for Milwaukee. But the trends are what they
are for the last ten years. Every guy who is
an m v P caliber players for certain m v
P in his case, um or or he just high

(01:25:37):
level all stars. When you reach what you think as
a plateau and you don't see a path forward, you
go and you find a better situation. We've seen it
over and over and over again, and so I'm not
predicting that you honest will or that he should, but
I do think that there is a lot at stake,
and it's unfortunate that it's at stake now in these
very strange circumstances. And again it's the least among you know,

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people's concer runs right now. But yeah, if you're the Bucks,
you have to think that it's really important to get
to the finals and maybe even win the championship to
convince him that it's possible because they don't have, you know,
a co star like Paul George. You know, I've got
Paul George. Lebron's got Anthony Davis, Steph Curry had Clay
Thompson and Draymond Green and then Kevin Durant all at once. Um,

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Lebron and Dwyne Wade had each other. Chris Middleton is
not at that level. He's an All Star, but he's
not that level of All Star. He's not gonna He
can't go anchor team by himself. And they don't have
that guy. I don't know if they can get that guy.
Whether that matters to Janice ultimately, you know that that
remains to be seen. Howard back our guest and the

(01:26:42):
Doug Otlee Show on Fox Sports Radio, Best guess who
benefits more from the break and and from the plans
for the bubble Clippers or Lakers? Popular question, and I
have an unpopular answer. It's impossible to know. Um, there's

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there's just no saying how well anybody's taking care of
themselves during the downtime and which players will come back
a little bit more out of shape or who comes
back just in better shape. Period Um, how much does
it matter that, like the Clippers core outside of Paul
George and Kawhi Leonard, the Clippers returned that whole group
that had overachieved in one whatever forty eight games with
no stars. So maybe the fact that they've got more

(01:27:27):
muscle memory with each other matters than more than a
Laker team that you know, was kind of put together
on the fly and and didn't even have one full
season together. But we're guessing, We're just guessing. We we
have no idea how this long layoff is gonna affect
each Taint team, or each individuals conditioning, or how it's
gonna affect their their chemistry. The only thing we do
know is that every Bradley has opted out. And so

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at the moment, I'd say that, you know, maybe the
scales just tipped a little bit toward the Clippers. But
if Lou Williams follows and decides he's not playing, that'd
be a huge loss for the Clippers, I would say,
much bigger us the neighbor Bradley to the Lakers. Um, yeah,
I lose got to decide which one of his two
girlfriends he's gonna gonna bring into the quarantine, right, That's
that's the kidding sort of. Um, okay, Howard, we have

(01:28:10):
those three teams as the likely favorites. Who's who's the
sleeper who? Because it's a smaller sample size, because you
take away essentially home court advantage, give me give me
a team like you know what, I wouldn't be crazy
if one of those to these two teams either was
in the finals or one it. I'm not going to

(01:28:32):
give you a single sleeper from the West because I
think as long as health is there, as long as
nothing crazy happens, um It's Lakers are Clippers. There is
no sleeper in the West. But the East is different
because the Bucks are not a proven contender. They had
a pretty big lead in terms of the standings, but
there are certain things that they do really well at
work in the regular season, especially with the way that

(01:28:53):
they use your honest, that may or may not be
as important in the playoffs or may not be as
as sustainable in the playoffs. And as I said, they
don't have that that that true second star. So I'll
give you two in the East that I think have
a very good chance of making the finals, and that's
Toronto and Boston. Toronto's got the experience as defending champions.

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Granted they lost Kawhi Leonard, but Pascal Siakam was, you know,
phenomenal before the season shut down. They've still got you know,
Kyle Lowry and Serge Ibaka Marcus all the rest of
this group Gasol and photos is looking like like a
new man, like in great shape. And Boston just got
this really great array of talent and a bunch of
guys who can do stuff with the ball in their hands,
Kimba and Tatum Um you know, Jalen Brown to an extent,

(01:29:38):
Gordon Hayward to an extent. So there's just a versatility
and kind of a depth there in the way that
their talent is lined up that I think makes Boston
really potent. So if it's if the Raptors are Celtics
somehow came out of the East instead, I don't even
think it should be considered an upset. Are you going
to the bubble? No, I'm not. Um, that's you know,

(01:29:59):
it's it's a small number that's going to be allowed
from the media. To go into the bubble, it requires
essentially being there the entire time. Um, it's a that's
a long time to be away from family and the
payoff in terms of access is going to be minimal,
and so there's really to me in my analysis, Uh,
it's it's not worth it, there's not and it's gonna

(01:30:22):
be horrendously expensive to More details about this will be
coming out soon. I can't share it all, but um,
it's going to be incredibly expensive, and the payoff is
just not there. And that's a long time to be
sequestered away from your family and and stuck within that
NBA campus. So uh, it doesn't make much sense. I
you know, if I were thirty years younger and single,

(01:30:43):
maybe I'd say, yeah, what, what the heck? This is
a fun story to to be in in this really
weird uh you know, mini season in the middle of
Disney and and and write about just the the the
the strangeness of it all, the uniqueness of it all. Um,
but I'll leave that of like you know, the year
old single people. Yeah, my family doesn't like me that much,

(01:31:04):
so that that put and put me in the boat
for three months would probably work work for for for
my family. But uh, anyway, Howard, great stuff. Look forward
to talking as we're getting closer and closer to Hoops.
Really appreciate your perspective. Appreciate it my pleasure. That's Howard
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(01:33:15):
Do you have numbers? Do you have that number ten?
Number nine? Numb? I'm sure we do. I have to
look for really first, give me a second. Okay's a second.
There you go. Albert brier Is gonna join us in
a second, not that quick a second. So here's what happened.
Vince Carter, who, by the way, class of n High School.

(01:33:37):
I'll never forget. I've never heard of Vince Carter. And
I was being recruited by Dougs Day. It was Dave.
It was on UM coach Ron Stewart. Ron Stewart was
assistant coach for Lon Krueger at the University of Florida.
Coach Stewart he recruited me, and he's like, look, and

(01:33:58):
my dad had coached Lon Krueger. They went to found
of four and ninety three, which is in Charlotte. I
I was. I was infatuated by the Gator chomp okay
Um and the Odome and I was like, man, I'm
really thinking about it. And he's like, man, we have
the best high school player in the country. And I

(01:34:19):
keep in mind I played with Paul Pierce and uh
actually Paul Pierce was mostly a an opponent, but he
was my teammate at abc D camp. J R. Henderson,
uh Stefan Marbury was that year. Shreef Abdurahim was that year,
and he didn't know all of the guys and Vince
was a Nike guy. We were Adidas guys in terms
of the camps we went to. But and so the

(01:34:42):
first time I set eyes on Vince Carter was at
the Magic's Roundball Classic. I had watched him play at
the at the McDonald's game the week before and he
won the dunk contest, And so we played in the
Magic Roundball Classic. I was a replacement for Chohnce to
Bills to her his shoulder. And after the game were
the game was delayed because of snow and in Detroit,

(01:35:06):
and we were supposed to have a dunk contest, like
at halftime. They want to speed the game up, so
they had it. After the game he did one dunk,
did one dunk a windmill three sixty, and all the
rest of the guys who had dunked against him in
the dunk contest the week before McDonald's were like, that's it,
it's over. He's the best. So look, Vince Carter announce

(01:35:29):
his retirement after twenty two years in the NBA. For
twenty two years in the NBA, it is my belief
that he is the greatest dunker of great players ever.
Now is he one of the top five players ever?
Like no, but on this list, you have to have

(01:35:49):
been an All Star caliber player like Aaron Gordon might
be as good or a better dunker Aaron Gordon, I
think he's been an All Star and he's not nearly
the level of player as of yet of a Vince Carter,
of a Michael Jordan's of a Dominiquilkins of guys on
this list. So, without further ado, here's here's our top

(01:36:10):
ten dunkers of all time. So I don't you have
to be a great player, all star level player. Number ten,
Number ten, Number ten Lebron James. Now, why is Lebron
so high on this list? Well, because earlier in his
career he was a crazy, crazy dunker. Um, he's more

(01:36:33):
power now than Finesse, And ain't that more power than Finesse?
But Lebron James was never in a dunk contest. That
moves him down, but never in a dunk contest, and
not like there's been a ton of creativity, although because
he's not a dunk contest we haven't seen it. Lebron
James at ten, number nine, the Doctor Julius ahing dr j.

(01:37:01):
Of course he has like the crazy windmill dunk against
the Lakers in the finals. He has an up and
under which was not a dunk but one of the
most amazing plays of all time, and he took off
from the free throw line. He was a great dunker
in the A, B A. That's what they got the
idea for the dunk contest of the NBA. UM. It's
a different era, so it's really hard to translate what
he used to do. And he was the best then

(01:37:22):
to the best now. But we'll put dr J at
number nine. Number eight. Dwight Howard, Yes, I said, Dwight Howard.
Like Dwight Howard. Yeah, Dwight Howard won a couple of
dunk contests and you're like, well, he's not Dwight Howard
for the first six seven years of his career. UM

(01:37:43):
best rebounder, shop blocker in the league. Will be a
Hall of Famer. And if you just ask him, he's
still a champion even when he actually hasn't won a championship. UH,
Dwight Howard probably the best big man dunker of all time,
no disrespect to UH Darryl Docer, who of course has
passed away. Number seven. I'm gonna give this one to U.

(01:38:06):
Kobe been Bryant. Um. I don't think Kobe was explosive
as any of my previous three, but he had some
great game dunks and he was in a dunk contest.
I'll put Kobe Bryant at seven. Number six. Um, number

(01:38:27):
six is going to be Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin explosive
want of dunk contest of course? Um uh oh man,
I'm blanking. What's the big guy? The who he dunks on?
Who he uh with with the knicks of the time.

(01:38:47):
How does nobody know this one? He he won an
NBA championship with the Cavaliers as their center. He turned
it into a an adjective. You just got what is it?
Somebody's gonna help me out? Yes, my Timothy, Timothy got
mascoffed right, That's what happened. Timothy got Moscow. So Timothy

(01:39:09):
Moscow when you get mascoff, that's what happens. I'm gonna
go with Blake Griffin at six. Number five. Sean Kemp
ray Man Raymon uh. Sean Kemp not the level of
player of seven of the lebrons of the Kobe Bryant,

(01:39:30):
but was absolutely a phenomenal both in game and dunk
contest dunker. Number four, Uh, number four is gonna be
Tracy McGrady. Tracey McGrady, great dunker, great score all starting
out Hall of Famer. I'm not sure if I would,
I wouldn't have vote him in into the Hall of Fame,

(01:39:50):
but Tracy McGrady, great dunker and scorer in this time.
Number three. Number three is Dominique Wilkins. Domini quill average
over twenty five a game ten straight years. Never mentioned.
I don't see him as a winner or a great
defensive player, but he's a perennial All Star. He challenged

(01:40:11):
for the scoring title, and he was the foil to
Michael Jordan's so many in so many different dunk contest.
Of course, Chicago Jordan one. Dominique always did kind of
the same dunk, but it was so awesome to watch
him do those different kinds of Windmills and Dominick Wilkins
invented kind of the Dominic Wilkins shot, which was take

(01:40:32):
a terrible shot, get the rebound on your own in
the air, and dunk in that shot. That was the
Dominique Wilkins which many of us pulled off on a
lowered hoop at your house or your friend's house when
I was a kid. Domini Quokins number two, Michael Jeffrey
Jordan's All right, um, the the like we do this

(01:40:55):
thing about Jordan's where we mentioned all the NBA finals
he was in and how he won every NBA finals
that he was in. Did anybody mention that he won
every dun contested he was in? Like he just rose
to and this was this was in the era where
you could really only miss one dunk. And I don't
remember him ever missing a dunk. Did he ever miss
a dunk? It sure felt like it didn't. He did

(01:41:16):
the free to the line, he did the rock the cradle,
you know, he did to kiss the rim. I can't
even think of the names of the dunks. Michael Jordan's
was the greatest dunker of all time until number one,
Vince Carter. Vince Carter the greatest dunker of all time.
Let's let's quickly get you to Steve Di Sager, Steve No,

(01:41:37):
Nate Robinson, spud Web on the list. I guess great players,
you gotta be all star level player, Zach Lavine, Like
I said, okay, so no Harold Miner for that reason
or Harold the show Arsenal for that man, Harold the
show Arsenal, My goodness, You're going bag Uh. NASCAR released
a photo of the poll rope and Bubba Wallace's garage

(01:42:00):
at Talladega. It was the only one fashioned into a
news at any track out of one thousand, six eighty
four garage stalls. NASCAR says it takes responsibility for the
wording of its initial statement this past week, but it
felt one of its drivers had been threatened. This weekend's
Cup Series races at Pocono Races plural Saturday on Fox TV,
Sunday on FS one. FS one will also have Saturday's

(01:42:22):
Truck Series and Sunday's Exfinity Race. Vince Carter says he
is officially retired from basketball after twenty two years in
the NBA. His Atlanta Hawks were among the team's not
invited to finish the regular season this summer with a
record of twenty and forty seven. Carter was drafted fifth
overall in then one Rookie of the Year. He averaged
seventeen points a game in his long pro career twenty

(01:42:43):
three points a game in his first eleven seasons. The
Kentucky Derby will allow some fans in its race in
early September with restrictions. Rory McElroy's in second place after
shooting a first round sixty three at the Travelers, but
three shots behind Canada's Mackenzie who Hughes, who shot sixty
it is opening round. Phil Mickelson tied for third. A
c C commissioner John Swofford will retire after the next

(01:43:05):
school year. The NFL's Hall of Fame game was canceled
in this year's in shrine at ceremony was postponed for
a year due to coronavirus. NFL training camps, the league says,
are due to start on time in late July. The
next Women's World Cup will be co hosted by Australia
and New Zealand. In Liverpool has finally clinched its first
title in England's Premier League in thirty years, and clinched

(01:43:28):
it was seven games left on the schedule. There earliest
clinch ever in the Premiership in England. Today, second place
Manchester City lost to one, while Liverpool won its game
easily Yesterday. Back to Doug Doug Olive show Fox Sports Radio,

(01:43:49):
Let's welcome him in. He does a great job covering
the nash Football Leagues. Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter for
mm QB. That's Monday Morning quarterback, Albert, thanks so much
for joining us. Um, where do you believe the Jets
are with with Jamal Adams in regards to he he
wants either new contract now, he wants to be traded.
Will they do either? Well, I, you know, I don't

(01:44:09):
think if they feel like they're in a rush to
do anything right now. They got him under contract for
the next couple of years. Um, you know, I talked
to some people who, um, no, Jamaal, and um, you know,
this is the last fall said that. You know, don't
be surprised if he tries to use the Jalen Ramsey
playbook to try to get out of New York eventually

(01:44:30):
if they don't pay him, Um, you know. And look,
this is the reality of the NFL right now. Believe
they're not drugs. Over the last three months, at least
three players have signed extensions with their own teams. Um,
that's Christian McCaffrey, let me, Ton Sol and Patrick Young
in New England. I mean that's a staggeringly low number
and I think it sort of speaks to financial the

(01:44:53):
financial uncertainly that all these teams are facing. And also
how you know, whatever the revenue shortfall is, how that
could wind up affecting the cap over the next three
or four years. It's a great point. I talked to
the nfl GM Monday morning and he said the exact
same thing. He said, Look, you're gonna eventually pay your

(01:45:13):
best players. You just have no idea. No one knows
what two thousand two one, what the cap looks like,
because we don't know why have fans in the stands,
We don't know what what the TV deals like. There's
there's so much unknown that that owners are telling us,
what what if you have a guy in your contract?
There is actually no rush. Yeah, and I don't think

(01:45:35):
it's you know, and and look like players are gonna
even more understanding of that in some places met than others.
And I mean you can go right on down the
list and like, among the guys who are going into
contract years this year, Um, you know, it's like Jalen Ramsey,
Joey Boats uh uh, Ronnie Stanley, there are just there's

(01:45:59):
there's big name after big name, Von Miller. There are
a lot of guys who are heading into contract years
right now who've been told to sit type by their teams.
And by the way, the Shawn Watson and Pashing my
homes are both eligible for new contracts too, and they're
not getting them either right now. And so you know,
I do think that, you know, there's only some movement

(01:46:19):
on the contract front wood teams, um, you know, in
the coming weeks. But I think what it's gonna take
for players to get paid is an understanding that uh,
you know, because of the uncertainty ahead, the price might
come down a little bit on what teams are willing
to offer. Albert Brier joining us in the Doug Otlips
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Why why dak inc signed

(01:46:42):
the signed the franchise tender before he had to do
by July fifte Why do it so soon? Well, it
sends a message to his teammates and he's gonna be there, um,
so that's part of it. I also think of missends
a message to the to the club, which, um, you know,
if you're Jack, I think it basically projects that you're
just fine playing on the franchise tag um, And that's

(01:47:05):
your leverage, right like your leverage is always and you
know this Doug. Your leverage is your options, and you
know it's sort of in a certain way, it's signaling, um,
you know, from Dak to the team, Hey, I'm okay
playing on a thirty one million dollar franchise tag and
if we don't do a new deal, that's all right.
Like you know, So I think that's part of the

(01:47:26):
message there. And you can see that this is a
road that's been traveled before. Kurt Cousin has got awfully
rich doing it this way with the Washington Redskins. Um.
You know, I think it was what four years ago now,
allowing them to tag him twice, getting guaranteed years out
of that, and then hitting the market thereafter. And so

(01:47:47):
I'll tell you what, dog Like, a lot of people
look at this and say, well, Dak's got to get
a deal done. If you're Dak Prescott and you're looking
at your options right now, the team's gonna play something
pretty good in front of you for you to walk
away from the idea that you have a thirty one
million dollar franchise attack this year, a thirty seven million

(01:48:07):
dollar franchise attack next year, and they either have to
let you go to free agency or tag you. It
over fifty million dollars in the Hall of Fame induction
ceremony was was canceled. That became kind of official today. Uh,
it's you know, we're we're still kind of working under
the idea that they're gonna have training camps, albeit at

(01:48:29):
actual facilities. Um. How confident is the NFL that we're
gonna have fans in the stands week one of the season.
It depends on what you're talking about, Like it depends
on how you're talking about Dallas, You're talking about San Francisco,
You're talking about l A. Are you talking about New Orleans? Uh,
you know, this is gonna it's gonna be interesting because

(01:48:51):
they're gonna be different rules in different states. And I
think we've seen across the country, different states are handling
this differently, um, you know, in a very differ or
fashion than other states, and so, UM, you know, I
think this is all going to sort of boil down
to what each individual team situation is. And I think
there's no understanding out there because of the way that

(01:49:11):
they share revenue in the NFL. UM, they're gonna need
to do all they can to try to minimize the
revenue shortfall across the NFL, and I think the owners
are comfortable with the fact that if that means playing
for the half empty stadium or half fall stadium in
Dallas in Week one, Um, wild you've got a completely
empty stadium in New Jersey, They're willing to do that,

(01:49:34):
and so, um, you know, I think this is gonna
be sort of a team by team, case by case,
state by state type of thing. Um. You know, we'll
see what it looks like. But I mean, if if
the last three or four months or any indication, you know,
I certainly think we're gonna be dealing with wildly different
rules from one stage to the that. Yeah, yeah, it's

(01:49:54):
gonna be uh going to be interesting. Last thing, Albert
as U as we get ready for this season, Um,
you know I've heard, you know, Chris Chris Simms says
that the Patriots are all in on on Stidham. Uh.
Dante Scarnecki, their former offensive line coach, said like, look,
he obviously doesn't have the experience, but he does have something.

(01:50:16):
What's the real sense of what New England is doing
this year? By we we think using Jared Stidham as
the replacement for Tom Brady, Well, I think I'll break
that down to two pieces. The first piece says this
is a reset year for them, and they didn't just
lose bright awesome significant piece stun defense um com van

(01:50:38):
noy And and Jamie Collins and drawn harmon um and
so you know, I think that there's an acknowledgement that
at some point they were carrying so much dead money
on their salary cap. There was sort of this credit
card charge almost built up. At some point they were
gonna have to rip the band aid off, and this
is the year they're going to do it. So this
is the year where they're gonna clean out their finances

(01:50:59):
and go in with kind of uh blank slate um
in two thousand and twenty one. So that's number one.
So that's part of the whole mosaic of this year.
You know. Then the other part is the quarterback position.
I think that they're committed to see what they have
in Yard said him. They viewed him coming out of
offer and it's almost stressed at that sort of had
a scouted quarterbacks the last three or four years, and

(01:51:21):
they do believe there's talent there. Uh. The guy who
was uh you know, a four or five star a
crew coming out of high school who you know, went
into a couple of bad situations in college and came
out of it. Okay. They still believed that five star
talent is there, so they were really happy with when
they saw at camp last summer tech people at organization. Um,

(01:51:42):
they would tell you great things last summer, that we
weld off a little bit. Well we got to the fall,
but that of course the product of the fact that
he's just sort of running scout team and he got
to that point. So, UM, you know, I didn't. They're
they're optimistic about what he can do, but I don't
know they're married to him in any way. Uh And
oh you know, I think you have those two things together,
and um, this is a good chance for them to

(01:52:04):
get an extended look at him and maybe he's the
quarterback of the future. If not, he was a fourth
round pick who wasn't making very much money and they
can move on in you want to find somebody knew
if they have to Alver great stuff. Man. I hope
you're well. Really appreciate your work, your work ethic and
thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio. I think
you too. That's Albert Beer from mm Q From mm

(01:52:25):
QP Amazon just bought the arena that will house Seattle's
new NHL team. You won't believe the name they're gonna
give it. Share with you next, be sure to catch
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(01:52:46):
Sports Trader. Let's get to the Press, the Press, Steve
the Second, what he got, bud Well. Amazon secured the
rights for Seattle's new NHL arena, which is the old
Key Arena NBA, but it's gonna have is the expansion
hockey team in the w NBA Seattle Storm, but the
company is naming the venue Climate Pledge Arena. The company

(01:53:08):
hopes to have in the future net zero carbon certification,
but it will have the ice for hockey made from
rain water, a majority of food coming from local farmers,
and the arena in Seattle will donate unused produce to
local food programs. It's still scheduled to open for the
next NHL season. Seattle got an NHL expansion franchise couple

(01:53:28):
of years ago. Still don't know the nickname for it,
but it's due to be the NHL's thirty second team.
That's pretty cool. Yeah, I like that. Seattle Green, I
think is a very green. Yes, I could have that
anyway even before this. Yeah. Yeah, you know, look, trying
to make the plan in a better place is never
a bad thing, especially when you got all the money

(01:53:50):
that Amazon has. So I'm I'm I all for like,
we can clown it because it's a weird name. Of
there's plenty of other names that are dopey um or
or they're just company's name games or people's names whatever.
So that's fine. Good. Where did the Chargers play last year?
It had like five different You couldn't even before even
got to the word stadium. Actually, the word stadium wasn't

(01:54:11):
in it. It had so many sponsors. Tom Brady, now
Bucks quarterback, continues to ignore the union's medical guidelines regarding
summer workouts amid the pandemic. Remember, the NFL p A
had sent the letter advising against group workouts in states
experiencing spikes and coronavirus, such as Hey Florida, and yet
he and Gronkowski and other Tampa players spotted at a

(01:54:32):
prep school where they've been working out through the spring.
So Brady today shares a picture on Instagram in his
workout gear with the caption, the only thing we have
to fear is fear itself. FDR not quite the same,
but at least he knows who FDRs. Uh. Yeah, I mean, look,
I I don't think Tom Brady is in any sort

(01:54:53):
of danger here. Um. I do think that Tom Brady
is sometimes, you know, wasn't his dozen TB twelve set
selling some sort of you know, prevented you know, Oh yes,
natural something, Yeah, some natural supplement that can help your Yeah,
they can help you making claims Yeah, interesting, Yeah whatever.

(01:55:16):
I look, all these guys are working out. I know
that many people in the public are panicked. I don't
believe professional athletes are at risk. Sorry, I just don't.
There's there's no There has not been one piece of
data that would suggest otherwise. The question becomes if they
are a carrier and they haven't somebody who would be
at risk, that'd be the only question. Andrew Friedman, who
runs the Dodgers, says members of his organization have tested

(01:55:39):
positive for COVID nineteen. He would not give the number today,
nor whether their players or coaches. He does report none
had problematic symptoms. He also says the Dodgers first official
summer training workout will be July three at Dodger Stadium,
and what if they can't use Dodger Stadium for games
in the future this year, the alternate site would be

(01:56:00):
at least for training usc because students eventually will return
to that campus. Wouldn't be available for September games, we assume,
But there's also the option of going to the A
Bowl Stadium in Rancho Kukamanga east of Los Angeles. Why
don't use cal State Forward and that's a great field.
Seriously used the Titans facility where Kevin Costner used to
work out as well. And Churchill downs announced that the

(01:56:23):
running of the derby this year postponed to September five.
We'll have some fans in attendance, Yes, the Kentucky Derby
with some fans with restrictions the tracks. General admissions will
be cut by six Mint Julips highly overridded it out
there and pressed that the press. Yeah, the Kentucky Derby
without the pomp and circumstances gonna be weird, weird. How

(01:56:44):
long is that race? By the way, that's what because
the Belmont was would have been the longest, but what Yeah,
but they shortened it eight instead of mile and a half.
Middle coof tomorrow, Manics tomorrow. Oh, we got a good
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