Twitter Burner Accounts!

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You're listening to Fox Sports Boom Up America Doug Gottlieb show,
Fox Sports Radio in what anyone would call the weirdest
day after I can ever recall because um social media

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undid three people in completely different genres, right, Roseanne Bye, Felicia,
she shot herself in the proverbial foot and ABC cut
her show yesterday. Drake, Oh, the level of dis in

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a a new rap was was remarkable. Drake had himself
a tough day yesterday. And of course, from the sports genre,
we have Brian Colangelo, who is accused by the ringer

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that's Bill Simmons website, who's accused of having not one,
now one, not too, not three, not four, but five
burner accounts. Five burner accounts. Okay, you have burner accounts,
you can follow other people that don't know they're being followed.

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You control other people that don't know they're being trolled.
There is a okay. The problem with the burner accounts
is at least one of them, at least one of them,
appears to have vociferously defended the moves that he's made
and called out some of the players that have played

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for him and played for the Sixers, some that he's
traded away. Some of these still still employees, like Joel embiide.
It was a bombshell, bombshell that we continue to react
to today. Uh do I do other people in media?

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Do other people in sports have burner accounts or have
fake accounts so they can follow people that they want
to follow, but not be tracked as following those people. Yes,
But the idea of defending yourself, the idea of questioning
players that are on your roster or questioning players that
used to be on your roster. Here's the thing. Brian

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Colangelo's son of Jerry Colangelo. Jerry Colangelo, one of the
most powerful people in sports, remember, used to own the
son's used to own the Diamondbacks as well. Was the
head of USA Basketball. Took over the seventies six or
three years ago as they did not trust Sam Heinkey's process.

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Then he installed his son as president of basketball operations.
And of course this year they made the playoffs. They
have a bunch of cap room, set them up for
the potential of the Lebron James sweepstakes. But this is
a whow Now, I don't know who the whistleblower was,
who anonymously contacted the ringer. The ringer, but what I

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do know what is interesting. And I had this conversation
with one of my daughters. So I have twin twelve
year old daughters and last year for their fifth grade graduation,
they were going to middle school. My wife said, they
need cell phones. I was like, why do they need cellphones?
They need cell phones? Okay, but you know the cell

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phone's a downside to cell phones social media, and you know,
you can't see everything they're texting, everything they're doing, even
if you link it so that you you're supposed to
see everything they get wise to and eventually they can
cover some stuff up. Well, we have them on the cloud.
We have them on the cloud. And my one of

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my twin daughters screenshotted a text message sent by one
of my other daughters to one of her friends that
incurred included a curse word. My wife goes through like
her photos and all the text messages and data like

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as often as she can to kind of keep up
with what's going on. She saw it, and the daughter
who typed such a curse word has lost her phone
and lost privileges in my house. And then the question becomes, like,
what do I do with the other daughter, did she
actually because she didn't actually tell my wife. She just
screenshotted something within the conversation, and then that happened to

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be part of it, and my wife saw the screenshot.
And so when the daughter who was punished, who cursed
in the text came to me and said, well, what
about her, Why isn't she getting in trouble? My point
was simply, Hey, if the wasn't anything in your text

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message that shouldn't have been in there, none of this
would have mattered. I don't like tattle tales, and she
wasn't technically a tattle tale. But I also will tell
you that there's If there's nothing to tattle tale on,
what's the big deal. I don't know if it's one
of Sam Hinky's henchmen. I don't know if it's somebody

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who is loyal or just simply disloyal, or doesn't like
Brian Colangelo, whatever the case is. It sure seems it
seems like they got him, like they got him. And
if it is in fact true, and of course he
did cop to one of the accounts being used to
follow people in the media, but not not the other

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four accounts. If any of the other four accounts are true,
he's got to be fired to me do right, because
now there's no trust between Joel Embiide, there's no trust
between the Ben Simmons, there's no trust between none of it,
none of it. Commenting on players, commenting on any of

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the moves, supporting yourselves. But like all of this stuff,
the NBA is about relationships and respect, and guys won't
respect that and they will ruined relationships. Now, before I
completely convict Brian Colangelough, I need to point out, and
this is very, very important. It's different than the Sean

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Miller deal at Arizona. But after the Sean Miller story
at Arizona, after that story, we haven't heard or written, read,
read anything from our sleigh ball, and we haven't heard
any sort of tape. And Sean Miller has remained as
head coach and now as he vociferously denied it, but

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there hasn't been any proof to the contrary. A story
that smelled like it felt like it had a smoking gun.
Now we don't see any smoke or any gun or anything.
So we prematurely convicted Sean Miller. I don't want to
prematurely convict Brian Colangelo. Here is the big difference digital footprint.

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Digital footprints are essentially impossible to a race. Essentially uh
essentially impossible to a race. And so we will know
there is an I T guy, there are hundreds, there
are thousands of I T guys who are going to

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get to the bottom of where this especially one of
the accounts emanated from. And my guess is it was
probably Brian Collins. But that's a guess, it's not a note.
And then we get into the what why would you
do it? Why would a guy who has already been
two time Executive of the Year, why would you do that?

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And do you know what my answer is, you know
who some of the cheapest people are in the entire world,
some of the richest people in the entire world. Do
you know some of the least confident people are in
the entire world, the most successful people in the entire world.

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Do you know some of the least sincere people are
in the entire world, the people who appear to be
the most sincere in the entire world. I mean, it's
if you're around athletes, if you're around musicians, if you're
around actors and actresses, writers, some of the most talented
people are the most screwed up. They're constantly searching for validation.

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They want so desperately to be liked, to be loved,
to be told how great they are, all right, Like,
even Lebron James is guilty of this. He does this
whole You know, I'm just a kid from cord I'm
not supposed to be here. Dude, your nickname was the
King before you ever play that you were the chosen One.

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Now you're the King. You can't get any more self
aggrandizing than having Chosen One tattooed on you before you
ever play an NBA game. You just can't. And you know,
why would he do it? Why does anybody do it?

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Because they want to control the narrative. They want people
to say, you know what I read. It's a really
good point. People believe anything they read. It's one of
the one of the things the Russian bots had figured
out for the election that nobody actually looks. The idea
that a troll on Twitter can be taken as seriously

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as some some legit journalist on Twitter is the biggest
flaw to Twitter or any social media. People believe anything
they read. They just do you know, my dad used
to quote to me the New York Post and the
New York Post is they'll run fast and loose with
some stories. They are there. There are a newspaper that

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leans to the right. But even in sports, they've employed
guys that are talented writers. But they'll they have some
of those guys will take some chances, and there's a
lot of rumor printing that takes place in the the New
York Post. The Post feels like they have to separate themselves.
They got Paige six, which is a gossip calm. They
feel like that's the way in which they can separate
themselves and survive in New York City. And it's worked
for fifty years. But but the fact is that that

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has been taken to a greater degree now once you
get into social media, where we literally believe anything we read,
and so do I. I don't want to believe it.

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But didn't Kevin Durant have burner accoun Isn't every denial
of a story seemingly just a denial of the truth.
Doesn't it seem possible, feasible, almost likely that a guy
who doesn't need to defend himself, right, Look, his dad
put him in that job. He succeeded at that job,

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you know, going back to when he was in Toronto.
The last thing he needs is any sort of Twitter support,
any sort of guy looking out for him on Twitter.
But just like the richest guys in the world can
be the cheapest guys in the world, some of the
most successful people in business can be some of the
least confident people in business. And he just wanted to

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be liked, He just wanted to be respected. He just
wanted to win the people's hearts and minds, especially when
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I was, I was thinking about about a piece that
I saw that I read from from Ken Rosenthal, who
writes for The Athletic, and then I was looking at
at some of the other guys. Ken Rosenthal sat down
with Rob Manfred. He talked about piece of play, He
talked about expansion. He also talked about baseball analytics, and uh, look,

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there's there's a bunch of baseball writers who are starting
to get kind of into this um into this discussion,
which is that if you watch baseball games last here's
the number thirty three of the time, one third of

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the time last year, the only people in bold in
an at bat with a picture of the hitter in
the catcher. That's it, and it's skewing the way of
getting even worse this year or better this year, depending
on how you how you how you how you evaluated right.

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And when you you read different columns on baseball, they
will say, hey, these home run numbers are awesome. Last
year we had more home runs then we're ever hit
in one season in the history of baseball. Yes, more
than the steroid era. And you start to ask yourself,
wag is that the baseball? I'm sure part of it's

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the baseball? Is that the strength of the hitters? Sure?
Is it? The pictures? And I do get this, Hey,
why are guys throwing so much harder now? They must
be on something. I've told you that if you ask
baseball guys, take a look at the size of starting
pictures nowadays, take a look at the size of it.
There used to be a thing to which guys that

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were that big would play first base, would play catcher,
would play in the outfield, occasionally would play third base.
There was a there was a little bit of of
a you know, like Randy Johnson was the exception. Randy
Johnson was absolutely the exception. Now that Joe Kelly is

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about normal size as a closer for the Red Sox.
But look at Chris Sale. You know how big he
is six ft six. Rick Porcello, you know how big
he is? Six ft five ft five. David Price, now
big he is six ft five. I just gave you

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the top three pictures. Heck, even Eduardo Rodriguez, who's you
know the fourth best picture. He's six ft two. David Pomeranz,
who's the fifth starting pitcher in the rotation for the
Red Sox, six ft six. You got one dude below
six ft five. You got bigger guys generating more power.

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That's why we're just power pitching power person Yankee. Same thing.
Monsters just monster players. Um. And so we're left with
more power in the game. And of course we're changing
the approach to hitters. Hitters don't choke up with two strikes,
they don't shorten their swing, they don't try and slap

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one into right field. No one lays down a bunt anymore.
These things don't happen anymore. Instead, the analytics tell you, dude,
you're so much better off swinging for the fences. Why
have to put together a two out rally when you
can just hit one ball over the fence. There's your
rally bud and that's how the game works. That's how

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the game absolutely works, and it's it's it's interesting that
baseball baseball, I was what I was reading Jason Stark
uh he also he also wrote about it. Jason Stark
wrote about also Rights for the Athletic wrote about baseball

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and how launch angle is only part of it. All
of these numbers, all of this analytics for baseball, that
it's better to walk, strike out and hit home runs
than it is to just punch one out and put
one in play, while scoring might be up and home
runs are way up. Kind of boring to watch. And

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it relates to me to the NBA. We go back
to our war on analytics yesterday, which I'm not saying
it's not better to shoot open threes than to shoot
step in mid range jump shots. That the math would
tell you that certain shots on the floor are better,
more valuable, and have a better p p P. But

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but just because something because something is better, is smarter,
doesn't make it as much fun. And You're like, that's
the dumbest thing I've ever heard. God, like the fun.
You've always said, the fund is in winning, and the
fund is in losing. True, true, But there is also
an entertainment aspect of it. There's an entertainment aspect of it.

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And there ain't nothing like a stolen base, a hit
and run, you know, there isn't anything like a guy
on first, guy on second. You hit a pop, you
hit a sack, fly to right field, trying to make
it the third base. It's interesting runners at first and third,

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runner tries to steal second, do you throw them out
worrying about the double steel. I know it's more of
a little league and pony league type thing, but there
are different moves, different movements, then uh the and if
you just line up and try and hit the ball
out of the yard, or go to the shift and
try and play the numbers on a guy the same

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as true in basketball. I'm not anti three point shot,
but just dribbling up and driving off and kicking and
shooting a ton of threes like that actually is. Though
it seems like it'd be a lot of fun, it
it kind of looks like a bad adult le game,
running line to line, no one going inside the three
point line. It wasn't fun Previously when you would throw

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it inside to Patrick Ewing, he'd get the ball he'd wait,
he might get double teamed, he might not. He'd start
maneuvering and he'd be sweating all over the place and
shoot a fade away. But there's a there's a variety
to it. Look, this is the same with cars. All
of us should own some sort of hybrid. Hybrid is smarter,

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better for the environment. Whether you do volt or bolt,
or a Prius or or whatever, we should all find
a way to do something that's better for the environment
that saves us money. Gas prices have spiked back up.
But just because it's smart doesn't make it fun. Right.

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I get a buddy who's a Chevy dealer and he's like, uh,
And I called him about getting a Vault last year
and he's like, dude, really, I was like, why not smart?
He goes, have you driven the new Camaros? No? I,
because they're fun? Right? Everything you do is vibrating and

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you punch it and you get this torque. Oh my god,
it's fun. Yeah, I waste gas. Who knows how well
any of these cars? You buy a Corvette, you buy
a Mustang, you buy anything, or a truck. How many
of you own a truck. I've I've had several pickup
trucks in my life. I don't work on a farm.

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I'm I'm clearly not in the labor force. But I
like sitting up high. I love throwing all my stuff
in the back, and like just having to pick up,
like being a part of pickup truck guy. Like, yeah,
I'm pickup truck guy. I gotta pickup truck awesome. Is
it practical? No, No, he's not practical at all. I
used to drive a truck in and out of New

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York City, fifty one miles a day, back and forth,
find parking on the street for my truck. I loved it,
loved it, loved it. When I had to get rid
of that truck, I was I was devastated. Now right now,
I want the truck back. I do. I'm not gonna
lie to you. Is it practical. No, it's the same
thing as baseball. It's the same thing as the mid

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range jump shot or the post up shot. Right, just
because it's smart and baseball is finding this. It's hard
to watch and basketball is trending that way. It gets
hard to watch when everybody's just coming down chucking threes.
They're they're great for winning a little bit more than
me be you should if you played it traditionally. But

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it's not that much fun. Not that much fun. Online
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It's bringing Dan Buyer, who of course his Milwaukee Brewers

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up to a great start. They use analytics and baseball.
Do you find it to be more or less watchable
with all the home runs? Um? I like it. I
I have no problems with it. It's uh yeah, I
like it. I like the strikeout. I like the home runs.
You don't. You don't like the rallies. You don't like hits,

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anti hit tight in anti hit tight. Yeah, and you know, basis,
baseball has never been my my favorite sports. So maybe
I'm falling into the glamor of the home run or
the glamour of the strikeout, but that's always been my
um you know, fallback, I I said. One of the
one of the most memorable moments we've had in baseball
the last twenty years was Carrie would striking out. You know,

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twenty Houston Astros, and I just I don't remember many.
You know, Mike Trout had a five for five game
this past weekend with what like, you know, four extra
base hits, and we've already forgotten about it. So Chrott
was amazing. Gone back to last Saturday against the against
the Red Side. By the way, Rob Manfred in this
article says, I don't believe the game is dull. I

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just absolutely will not buy into the characterization the game
is dull. I do believe this. There's a growing recognition
that analytics have produced certain trends in the game that
we may need to be more proactive in reversing. There
are owners that feel that way, there are fans that
feel that way. To me, the really important indicators of
what we thought what we ought to be thinking about.

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That's an interesting quote, isn't it. Yeah. I I look
at the and when we talk about the game being
more interesting as well. I mean, the NBA is so
driven upon star power, and you were just talking about,
you know, do we long for the days of Patrick
Ewing doing what he did like in baseball. I know
it's not the same, but I think it's the same
in star power Doug. I think there are a lot

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of younger players now that we care about that we
didn't necessarily care about a few years ago, that young
younger stars names that maybe just I mean three years
ago we were still just talking about Mike Trout or
four years ago Clayton Kershaw and Derek Jeter, and that
was it. I think there are more guys that we
become excited about. Well, look, I think there's there's a

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ton of young talent in the game that I'm not disputed.
I'm not disputing it all in the game. Um. I
just I think that that the talent, if you're really talented,
you'll evolve, uh to to fit whatever the trend is
in baseball. Um. And I guess the question, do you
move the fences way back? Well, you know, because so
many teams move the fences in do you move the

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fences back anyway? What else you got? I got this?
Brewers are up on the Cardinals right now one nothing
in the sixth inning in Milwaukee, while those Red Socks
doubling up the blue Jay spot to two right now
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nieck intusian I Goodala will be re evaluated prior to
Sundays game to in Oakland. The Goodala did speak to
reporters today saying he's not that far away from returning. However,
his recovery has been slower than expected. Six are starting
their own investigation into the report that g M. Brian
Colangelo had burner Twitter accounts that was critical of team personnel. Doug,
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Let's so welcome in Derek Bonder, who covers his seventy
sixers for the Athletic which I was just quoting another
article in The Athletic from Ken Rosenthal where he sat
down with the commissioner baseball. This is uh, all right.
So Derek, when you when when the rock, when the
Ringer article dropped, what was your first reaction? I mean,

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my first reaction was that this almost has to be satire.
It was so ridiculous, so implausible, something we've never seen
before at this level. That I was waiting for the
punch line. And then you get through it, and you get,
you know, three four or five six paragraphs into it,
and you realize this is a real report, and you
start seeing some of the details that went into it,

(27:36):
start some of the traps that they got themselves into,
and it's just, honestly, you have no idea how to react.
It was so absurd, so so far arranging in its
implications that it really did take you sat there slack
jawed for a good you know, hour or two, really
just trying to wrap your head around it. Do you

(27:58):
think it was him? You know, I think there's so
there's two things that really draw my suspicion. First of all,
there was the fact that the um you know, the
Ringer went to them with two accounts and immediately three
other accounts were shut down. Accounts that we're running for
months and months and months, in one case, over a year,
public became private. That suggests that there's some kind of connection.

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And also some of the detail they had. You know,
when you're around a team on a daily basis, you
hear a lot of things, not things that you can repeat, certainly,
not things that you can attribute, but things on background.
And there were some details and some of those, you know,
some of those burner accounts that were included, that make
me think that there is again at least something going
on that might be you know, maybe let's say Brian

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Colangelo heard the two accounts when told all of the people,
look at anybody know what's going on, and maybe that
caused other people around, you know, in the Sixers orbit
to shut those accounts down. Maybe I don't know. I
don't know if it's him for certain, but it would
there there's just so much detail and specific because I
wouldn't expect average Joe and the Internet to have have that.
I think there's something going on, I would I would

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guess so that there has to be a digital footprint
in terms of who's actually operating these accounts, right, I mean,
like I'm not smart enough, and I don't know if
you're smart enough, But there's I t guys that can
absolutely trace who who has been operating these accounts? Correct? Well,
there certainly is from Twitter's perspective. Yeah, I don't know
if anybody at the team level would have that kind

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of that kind of detail. So eventually we'll know, won't we. Yeah,
I mean Twitter doesn't make a whole lot of that public,
Like you won't be able to get IP addresses or
anything of that sort from Twitter, But you would think.
Here's kind of the thing where I'm at. Does it
even really matter if we if we truly know, like
at one point you so much of what the gms

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in this league do is based on trust and equity,
and for teams and players and free agents to really
know that that they can trust these that. I mean,
we're not talking This isn't like a you know, where
a guy has a shadow account and he follows people.
This isn't just a burner account where he tweets. This
is an allegation where they're talking about released some medical information.

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We're talking about denigrating your own players at some point,
whether you know as Brian Colangelo somebody in his orbit.
You start asking, is there any a real chance that
you can get Joel Embiid to buy back in and
trust you can get potentially Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard,
who's going through a lot of medical you know, kind
of disagreements with the Spurs, you'd get him to buy
And I'm just not sure. I think that's gonna be

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a real tough, tough as I look, I think if
it's him, you gotta fire him right away. You have
to because of what you said. You know, the league's
about respecting, about trust and relationships, and you'd have none
of it if in fact true. But if there's a saboteur,
and look, I don't I I don't know how that
would be possible. But if there was a saboteur, or
if there's something wrong about it, like look, I don't

(30:50):
want to wrong fly convict. Like I just I sat
there and thought Sean Miller should be fired by Arizona.
But that's because I assumed that something was on the
tape that no one's heard, and you know, no one
at least has heard publicly yet. And the writer from
ESPN has gone ghost on us. So I don't I
don't know what to think of this other than I
do think there's a difference thing if he did it

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or didn't do it. My suspicions are that it's him,
and people that are really smart that have read everything
about it, like, you'd be really hard for not to
be him. But if it's not him, but then it's
not him, Oh no, If if you can prove that
it's not him, certainly he should still be here. I
think what I'm saying is if it's somebody, and then
the way all frist it is in his orbit. If

(31:33):
it ends up being let's say, like his son or
his father or somebody else employed at the Sixers, can
you fire a senior level executive set and and wash
your hands with this. I'm just not sure if that's realistic.
And I just don't know how you're gonna get definitive proof, Like,
I'm not sure. And the other thing is they need
to wrap this up here. You know, you've got the
draft in three weeks, free agency and a little over four.
They need to move on this quickly. It's gonna be

(31:55):
it's gonna be a real interesting to see how that
plays out. Gonna be going to be fascinating. Um. And then,
of course is the Brett Brown contract extension yesterday? Is
there a correlation between the two? You know that that
would be a heck of a coincidence if there, If
there wasn't, I do know this is something they've been
working on for a while, something they've probably had done
for a while, So maybe there was on when it

(32:17):
was released. I don't think that would have ever really
impacted the way that this narrative formed. Like, I think
this was always going to be the overriding story of
the two, but I think this is certainly something like
I don't think they extended Brett Brown because of this,
but maybe the timing of the release, sure, I think
that's possible. Okay, And then how likely before this were

(32:37):
they to be legit in the Lebron James Sweet stakes.
I think there was a chance. Uh you know, whether
that's I don't know, but I certainly think they have
one of the combinations of being able to offer a
a max contract and also realistically compete against some of
the upper echelon teams. Fascinating, fascinating stuff. Can you confirm

(33:01):
that it was in fact? Is Kendall Jenner and Ben
Simmons are they I have no idea. Come on, man,
you got you know these things. It's amazing how quickly
that came to that. Even Brett Brown's contract extension, there
was the point Alex five o'clock this morning. I completely
forgot that even happened. That the news cycle real quickly
on this one. Yeah it when it went that to

(33:22):
to the Ringer story and then oh yeah, by the way,
Ben Simmons is dating Kendall jennerary like, oh, well, you
know everything bad news comes in threes, or news comes
in threes and and so so there you go. Great
stuff covering the team, Derek. I follow you. Love your work,
not just with my regular account, with my Burner accounts
as well. Thanks for being our guests. Thank you appreciated.

(33:43):
Derek Potter covers the team for the Athletic uh. He
also tweeted out from his verified account, Brian Colangelo doesn't
have to convince you or I that he had no
involvement in the Burner accounts. He needs to convince you
all and bide Marquel Folds Lebron James Quae Leard, which
is exactly what he said when he just joined us. Yeah,
I do think he needs to convince us. Yes, he

(34:05):
needs to convince them too that this is not one
of those. What you can't do in this court of
public opinion is you can't throw out the well, it
might have been this guy, and you know what they
what they do when in like a murder trial, you
don't have to find the real killer. You just have

(34:27):
to prove reasonable doubt. Right, that's in the court system,
that's how American law works, but how public opinion works.
You can't give me the well, it might have been
one of Sam hinky Is guys. Well it might have
been his son, Well, it might have been this, well,
it might have been that. You gotta tell me exactly

(34:49):
who it was, where their phone is, show me those accounts. Otherwise, Yeah,
you gotta be fine. You got it, because that like
Joel and maybe playing nice and going like I believe him,
but nobody around you, all embid believes him. So it
doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, and it just it becomes

(35:13):
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Let's get to the let's get to a game. Okay,
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What do you have from today, Doug? We have real news,
fake news, that's real news. We do have his real
news with auto Zone. You know, coming along, we could
call it the Drive for five because I have five

(36:38):
scenarios Doug that you will have to determine if it's
real news or fake news. It's just like the five
Burner accounts that yeah, all right, number one, real news
are fake news. Calves for Lebron James is the odds
on favorite by Bravado to win the NBA Finals MVP Award.
That's real news. You are fake news. Kevin Durant is

(37:00):
listed as the odds on favorite to win the NBA
Finals m v P. And there's such a prohibitive underdog,
the last guy to win and VP when his team
didn't win it with Jerry West back in the day
with the Lakers. Makes sense. Yes, So Durant is at
two to three. Steph Curry's actually got the second best
odds at seven to four, and Lebron James then comes

(37:21):
in at six to one odds. What I find interesting
and I'm going to bring the crew in on this.
Do you guys want to guess who the next two
Cavaliers are with the best odds to win the m
v P by Bravada. I'll go Jeff Green, Okay, I know,
I mean I'm ben. I'll go Kevin Love, and then um,
Kevin Love and then j R. Smith. Yes, you got yes? Correct?

(37:45):
Kevin Love fifty to one, j R. Smith one and
fifty to one. Those are the next two. But Kevin
Loves even We don't even know if he's gonna play
in Game one, and these second best odds, all right,
Real news are fake news? Doug That the Kevaliers remain
the odds on favorite to be the t Lebron plays
on next season. That sounds like they're real and they're spectacular. Yeah,

(38:06):
Bravado is saying that nine to five odds for the
Cavaliers that Lebron will play for them in Game one
of next year. Sixers have the next best odds at
nineteen to ten, followed by the Rockets, Lakers, and Warriors. Wait,
Sixers are number two. Yes, interesting, Rockets will Love it
to four, Lakers three to one, with the Warriors sixteen
to one. Then the Clippers, Heat, and Spurs are all

(38:27):
at twenty five. They weren't listed on this Yeah, I
take a round there, Fitzdills is guy take a run? Yeah,
they didn't have the odds listed that we received. Real
news are fake news. Doug Angel's Two Way Stars show.
Hey Otani was left off the American League All Star
ballot because he's considered a picture you are. Actually, he's
a D eight, so you can vote for him as

(38:49):
the designated hitter. I was kind of you know, Mr
Direction there, but yeah, you can vote for Otani as
a designated hitter for the All Star Game next month
on Fox in Washington, d C. God it, Oh, go ahead, No,
that's it. I was gonna say, I'd love to see
him do both. You know, in the All Star Game.
We're already worried about his workload and regular season, and

(39:09):
you know why they want to have his workload in
the in the in the All Star Game. But I
would love to see him do it as well. Yeah,
I think it would be a reason to watch. I
wonder if Fox is gonna push for it. Are real news?
Are fake news? He's already a vice captain for the
Ryder Cup team, but Tiger Wood said today's goal is
to make the team as a player. They're specta Tiger

(39:32):
even joking as he gets ready for the memorial this week,
saying quote, I know that the players and captains were
different outfits as part of the Ryder Cup, and I
would really like to screw that up. I mean, look
to the Ryder Cup needs Tiger Woods, and we need
Tagger Woods to be playing peak tag Woods. I don't.
I don't think any of that is not is unreasonable

(39:53):
or unexpected it and it's great to hear him. I
think you feel like it's legit. His desire and his
skill level is appropriate for He's not gonna be placed
down there just because he's tig Woods. He's now playing
like a guy who belongs on that team. Yeah, if
there's if there is anything that's close, he's gonna win
the tie breaker. He probably won't break the top eight

(40:13):
of the automatic qualifiers, so you have to be a
captain's picked by Jim Furick. But I'd be shocked if
he wasn't a player on that team. If he just
continues to play as he has been. Uh, Finally, Doug,
real news or fake news? The youngest contestants taking part
of this year's Script's National Spelling b are eight years old.
It sounds like real news and spectac Yeah to eight

(40:35):
year olds. I don't think they advanced in the five
hundred nineteen contestant field, but eight years old taking part
in the Scripts National Spelling b this is game time
on the Dug Gottlieb Show. Do they get the words beforehand.
I don't know. I don't think so. I think they do.

(40:58):
Oh really, I think they. I think there's a huge
list of potential words that they get. I do know
that Brian Colangelo's burner accounts will be the final things
you have to spell. Um in the final round. Uh
did you see that, Roseanne? Do you see that? Roseanne? Well?
Do you see that Roseanne? Uh said um that she

(41:19):
was on ambient when she had her her tweet which
got her show. That's a new one. That's basically the
cte of actors and actresses and comedians. Right, I was
on ambient. People criticize Steph, but they shouldn't. We'll tell
you why next. What up? Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.

(41:43):
M Do do Do Do? Do? Do? Do Do do?
Coming to you from the beautiful city of Angels. Um. Well,
day baseball taking place. I like day baseball for what
I do. I don't necessarily know how by day baseball
still exists in this world. It's a really weird thing.

(42:04):
How do they make money? Who has the time to
go to these games? We continue to react to the
story from the ringer. It is like one of those
first things you get from people like man Bill Simmons thing. Now,
Bill Simmons they have a deal. I think it's called
Courtside coming out for the NBA Finals on HBO. He's
got a big deal with HBO. He's got his website.
They do podcasts, do a bunch of stuff. But it's

(42:26):
unless you're just all in on Bill Simmons stuff. There's
a lot of like whatever happened to that? Until yesterday
when they dropped a story that had Brian Colangelo being
alleged to having five burner accounts and on one of
those burner accounts sharing not for public information about players, health, players, attitude, players,

(42:46):
interaction with coaches, being critical about those players. He denies,
vociferously denies four of those accounts, but a couple were
shut down after they asked about two other accounts. So
there's a lot of interesting stuff going on. We'll continue
to react to it later on this hour. Jason Terry

(43:07):
is going to join us the Jet NBA Champion Plus
we'll ask him about the NBA Finals. But I saw
this story, which I found to be kind of amusing.
I did apparently there's this um discussion now, discussion now

(43:30):
about whether or not how we view Steph Curry if
he's not the Finals m v P. Right, is that
is that accurate? If you don't believe me, here's the
second question today, first day of media availability. The second
question asked to Steph Curry that narrative is gonna take

(43:53):
life as it has over the sin, but it doesn't
make or break my career or whatever you want say.
Looking back, if we win this championship and I don't
win in Finals m v P, I'm gonna be smiling
just as wide and just as big. There's a storyline
mark of the people around you, not even not even
people close to me. Is just that's kind of the
nature of the Beast. Being on the stage four times

(44:14):
in a row, you always gotta look for what you
don't have. That's fine, that's part of the Beasts. As
part of my motivation to try to get back to
the stage because I want more championships, but I've never
really attacked it as if that was the goal for
se The Bill Russell NBA Finals MVP Award has h
only once been given to a guy who whose team

(44:36):
did not win it. Um, if you go back and look,
since since you were Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Andre Goudala
want it. Remember the first time that the Golden State
Warriors won the title. Kawuhi Leonard was the NBA Finals
MVP going back four years ago. Lebron James wanted both
years when the Heat won it when the Mavericks beat

(44:58):
Lebron James his first year, Dirk wanted, Kobe won it
twice in row, Paul Pierce wanted when they beat the
Lakers UH in the NBA Finals, Tony Parker's wanted, Dwayne
Wade's wanted, Chance Bills want it, but you'll not notice
that it's missing from Steph Curry's resume. UM. I continue

(45:19):
to believe that the entire way in which we discuss Steph,
we discuss k D is we should do a one
eight right because when you already have a title, and
you already have your kingdom, and you're already happy, inviting

(45:41):
in a player who I think, by most people's accounts
has just better physical attributes and and an incredible skill
set that shows to me an in a ridiculous amount
of self confidence plus self awareness. Like the thing that

(46:02):
we should celebrate about Steph Curry is the unwavering self confidence,
but also the remarkable self awareness because so many other
people in sports in life don't have self awareness. Steph
knew he needed not only help, but he knew that

(46:24):
everybody would be better if he could have Kevin Durant,
by his estimation, Kevin Rant instead of Harrison Barnes. That
that was the whole the whole sale was looking at
many open shots, Harrison Barnes has imagine if that was you.

(46:45):
It's a great point. Now some of the differences their
line up as different defenses of change, people have adjusted
to them. It's harder, a little bit harder for three
stars now when Raymond's not hitting shots at all. I
Guadala last year in game seven, got a bunch of dunks.
And look, if you even remember back to the NBA

(47:07):
finals in two thousand sixteen or two thousand fifty two fifteen,
that they had two thousand fifteen NBA Finals, If you
even look back on it, what's remarkable about those finals
is that it was basically an ensemble cast, right, That's
how they ended up. That's how they ended up winning

(47:30):
the Golden State Warris won four games to two. Lebron
James uh lead all the teams in both teams in
scoring four of the five games. It was one of
those Lebron James should have won the m v P
of the NBA Finals in two thousand fifteen. That was

(47:50):
when there was no Kyrie got hurt in Game one.
Lebron had forty four. They lost in overtime. Kevin Love
didn't play at all. Lebron had thirty nine, forty and
then forty and thirty two the last two games. Steph Curry,
if you remember, he didn't win the m v P
that year, right, but he should have if you're gonna

(48:13):
give it to the the the team that wins the
best player. Iguadala had a great last couple of games,
but that's because they dared him to score, all right.
They mugged Steph Curry. He struggled early on, he broke
out of it late. He averaged twenty six points, six rebounds,
five point five point two rebounds, and six point three

(48:34):
assists and didn't win the m v P. Where's Iguadala
only started three games in that deal, an average sixteen
points a game, but because he was wide open. So
you know, look, Lebron was ridiculous in that series. Thirty

(48:56):
eight thirteen, eight point eight assists, one point three steer
that just crazy numbers, didn't shoot great from three, did
shoot well from the field, didn't have a good enough
supporting cast because of injuries. But I've I've never heard
anybody in basketball this is one of those This is
one of those fan discussions that's not a real basketball discussion. Well,

(49:19):
staff doesn't have a finals MVP, and why does he
have to have a finals? He won two league MVPs.
He's completely changed how we look at draft prospects because
of his talents. I'll ask you, Rye Music, do you
think he needs to win a finals m VP to

(49:41):
somehow cement his legacy? I don't think so necessarily. Like
like you said, with people in the within NBA circles,
I think they sort of have a solid understanding of
just how great he really is. I do think that
there on general fans perspective that people will use any

(50:05):
excuse they can to sort of credit or discredit people.
So with Curry, I think he's pretty generally universally liked,
and given his particular situation where they had won a
title without Kevin Durant and then Kevin Durant got there,
people look at Kevin Durant as the one who has
to ride the coattails to success. I don't think a

(50:28):
lot of people are looking at Curry as someone who
needed Durant since he was able to do it beforehand.
Like like, even if you go back to that two
fifteen game five deciding game, it was to two deciding game.
Remember Curry had thirty seven thirty seven, four assists, seven

(50:49):
rebounds seven, So we we had this thing where he
was and he wasn't great early in the finals, he wasn't.
He struggled both, you know, trying to guard Kyrie and
they made him guard Lebron also some of this, Like Lebron,
I think game one he took thirty eight shots, but
Stephan game one, and the the rap was he didn't

(51:11):
play well in game one. They won Game one. Remember
that's after Kyrie went out in overtime with the knee injury.
He had eight four rebounds, was ten of twenty from
the field, and his team one. So uh, look, I
thought Cleveland would have beaten him that year had they
been full strength against that Cavaliers team. That Cleveland team

(51:36):
was way it was really really good. That Cleveland team
had Timothy Moskov who they needed to match up with
bog Moskov had one gray game. They had a mon
Chumpert j R. Smith was far younger. They had Delhi
as a backup point guard, Kyrie as a starting point guard,
Tristan Thompson, and they had Kevin Love. But Kevin Love

(51:57):
got hurt against the Celtics. If they were at full rank,
I think that's the that's your championship team. Um. It
wasn't part of the criticism for Curry in that first
finals SA series when they ended up winning it, because
he had such a stellar regular season when he won
the m v P. What people held against him was

(52:19):
the fact that his numbers dipped. Well, he was awful
in game two when Kyrie went out, uh they played
lost at home. In Game two, he was five of
twenty three from the floor, He had six turnovers, and
he really struggled with Delhi and with the physicality of
the series. But the last two games the series he
was really good and they won both of them. And
to to he had thirty seven. But yes, you know,

(52:41):
he had taken the league completely by storm, and then
he got to the playoffs and he got to the
finals and he wasn't the same guy, but it was
just it was a people couldn't adjust. It was a
different level. And remember leading up to the and even
in the NBA Finals, he never went against the starting
point guard all four games. So I think a lot

(53:04):
of other factors were held against him. And he wasn't
good in Game two, and he wasn't very good in
Game three or Game four. But five, one, five, six
is excellent. He was a leading scorer in the team
that won it. And they gave Dondre Goodala because he
did a good enough job on Lebron and because in
Game six he made shots and he was left wide open.

(53:28):
But I don't know how that like we look, We've
gotten to this place to which James Harden is gonna
win the league MVP, and we don't think he's the
best player in the league. Last year, Russell Westbrook win
the league MVP. Wasn't the best player in the league.
He had the best season. Just like you can be
the best player on you know, you can win the
m v P award, not be the best player on

(53:50):
the floor. Lebron James the best player on the floor
going back three years ago, wasn't really close didn't win
the m v P because we give it to somebody
who wins it, and we gave it to somebody who
made shots and we didn't expect it and got enough
stops when we didn't think possible. But I don't really
see what the problem is with that, because it's been

(54:10):
fairly consistent, has it not? What's been that it's either
it usually comes from a team that wins or in
the regular season, it comes from the team that relatively
had the most success and you wore the best or
the most impactful player on the team that won the
most games. Like, there hasn't really been a situation where

(54:31):
other than like you know, Westbrook, he had the triple
double year where they were like they ended up like
seventh seed or eight seeds. I mean, but it was
historically great because we hadn't seen it in such a
long time. But it's very rare that you get some
crummy team with a player who put up a bunch
of stats and he wins the m v P. It
seems every year we try to like rewrite the definition
for what the m v P awards should be, and

(54:53):
it's like, well, every other year it's been best player
on the best team. I don't really see why that's
a problem all of a sudden, because we want to
talk about how great Lebron is or isn't despite what
the regular season is all about. We try to like
justify and that manner and like, oh well, let's make
up a new definition. I just I never the m
v P thing was never that big a thing, and
it's just given us all. It's all it is is.
It's us in the media creating a reason to talk

(55:15):
about the regular season that hasn't really mattered for a
long time. That's the truth to it. It hasn't really
mattered for a long time. You know, you almost wish
they would just give a Player of the Year award
at the end of everything when you can watch the
entire thing take place. If he did, Lebron would win
it this year. Look when Steph wanted, I thought one

(55:38):
year he wanted, you could easily could have gone it
given it to Harden. I didn't think he should have
been the unanimous m v P. The year he won
the unanimous MVP, but he had. That was the year
he had the most ridiculous stats we'd ever seen. But
they also kind of like the Rockets this year, they
went for it. They went for as many wins as possible.
When they could have easily won sixty five games and
dialed it way way back, they did not. The road

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(56:42):
m m m m m m m m m. Andre
Adal is not going to play in Game one. I
think that's a big thing. Is it a big enough
thing for the Cavaliers to win a game? Look, all
we have to look at is the past. You know,
a couple of series as our guide and with with

(57:04):
one exception, Toronto being the exception. That's when Lebron seems
to to coast. But this is also one to which
I don't know if I don't know if this is
a series you want to coast in game one, as
opposed to the Warriors coming off a hard fought seven
game series without Iguadala and just finishing up on a Monday,

(57:28):
playing on a Thursday at home where suddenly they have
been beaten the last time they they took the floor
at home. Um, you know, is that one to which
or no, they weren't beaten at home. They won the
last game, right, they won the last game at home
to force the game seven. But they have lost at

(57:48):
home for the first time since Katie got there. Don't
you want to go for it? Let's get the thoughts
of Jason Terry. By the way, that's not the only
part of the NBA we want to talk about. Jet
Do you have any burner accounts on Twitter you want
to come clean about? No, not at all. I'm so
not uh social media savvy. I ain't got one account.

(58:09):
That's it. When you did you read the entire story
or you just heard about the story? I just heard
bits and pieces man. Obviously I did like to the
back and forth to Mark Cuban and Darryl Morey had
though that was entertaining in regards to what on Twitter
and macause to the burner accounts and what they say
about it. I don't know about the halftag from Cuban

(58:32):
at the end when you read it them said you've
been found. You probably want to go take a look
at that on Twitter now, Okay, So so wait when
you heard the story, what was your reaction? Well, first
of all, from organizational standpoint, that's sun that definitely have
zero color for obviously, do you have anything to say

(58:53):
about any of your person mail or staff, some people
person one on one. I mean, you see these people
every day of the week that you can express your
feelings in That would be the manly thing to do.
But again, we don't want to ostracize this guy because uh,
nothing has been true but true right now, So we'll
give them benefit of the doubt. You know, we know

(59:13):
it's a rather good upstanding gentleman, a great business mine.
Um So I think you know, when it all comes out,
you gotta believe he wouldn't do that, man, He wouldn't
jeopardize his career. Yeah, but I mean, like you think, like,
why would Kevin Durant have burner accounts? But he did? Right, Okay,

(59:34):
something I mean a little different, you know for these players,
but I mean I don't know I got one to count.
You know, guys do different things for different reasons, and um,
you know me, I'm straight up up front personal. I mean,
there's no reason to hide behind it. And it's almost like,
what happens these guys with these subliminal lyrics. Just call

(59:54):
the guy's name out. No, I'm a TUPACKX fan right
directing at you. Okay, So do you think if they
keep Brian Klengelow and they're like, look, we have no
proven If they keep brank Ingelow, this has to hurt
his relationships with his current players and hurt the chance
of signing free agents, doesn't it. Oh, no doubt about it.

(01:00:14):
I mean it happens all the time in your place
of work. I mean there's people that you work with
that you don't particular care for, but at least you
know where you know where he stands. I mean, hey,
it is what it is. They have to continue to work,
but yes, that relationship has definitely been tarnished if it
is true, Uh, what there's got to be. I mean,

(01:00:35):
is this something that a lot of NBA guys texting
each other about? No, not at all. I mean this
is an isolated situation. I mean you may see a
couple of guys put the whole some on social media
or something, but nobody really cares, you know, the process
and all that. I mean, I'll play for the Bucks
this year, So that was a bit of rival for us.
Jason Terry joining us on the Doug Gottlips Show on

(01:00:56):
Fox Sports Radio. How far away are the Bucks? Not
far at all. I mean they got a great core
nucleus um and Halloween coach Bobin Holzer I think may
have been a pretty good decision because if you've seen
the success he had with the talent he had in Atlanta,
I mean, hey, that was one of his best jobs ever.

(01:01:17):
I mean, those guys got to the Eastern Conference finals,
he got four All Stars, and he took those to
another level. I think he can do the same thing
in Milwaukee. And uh, you know, the Skyes delving form
took Boston the game seven. So the East Eastern Conferences
wide open as long as you have the star power
and when we got the honest and the Kompa, Chris Middleton,

(01:01:37):
Eric Bledsoe, these and Tafari Partner. These are four guys
that you know are our young superstars in our league today.
What happened to bled I mean he seemed to Rosier
was getting the better of him, and then Rosier started
chirping chirping at him. What happened to bled Soe? Where
he struggled so mightily when normally you know, Rosier's a
backup and and blood So's kind of like a borderline

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all star guy. Why the struggles in your opinion, Well,
that's why from a fan perspective, you can never under
you can never underestimate, you know, a gudge journey in
his development and where he's at with his confidence in
our league. I mean, if you look at Terry Rose here, yeah,
I back up, but last year he had to experience

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he was in the playoffs. Last year, bless was coming
from the Phoenix Suns where he hadn't hadn't been to
the postseason, he hadn't faced that type of pressure since
his younger years with the Clippers, and I think there
was an adjustment that had to be made I mean
and and once he came to game three or four,
got adjustment happened for him and he started to gain
confidence so less, so obviously we know he could potentially

(01:02:46):
end up in this league. I mean, he to me
has the potential to all the potential and skill set
to be an All Star at the point guard position. Um,
you can score, and he changed the game which his
ability to get to the basket. And defensively, mean, he
is a hand. He's all over the place. So I mean,
I like the potential very pleas So I just think

(01:03:06):
it was a rough year form first time he's ever
been traded, so mentally he was not as strong as
he he will be next season by going through the experience.
You're a great shooter, but you've always been a big
time shooter, right going back from when your college player
of the Year to you got in the NBA, You've
always had a ton of confidence in your shot. Janice, Janice, Janice, Uh,

(01:03:29):
always same class. I remember when you signed arizonas like, dude,
we that was back before we never really played against
Seattle dudes, and I've never seen you play. And then
of course you play with my guys in Arizona um, okay,
so help me out with this. Janice is not a
natural shooter, right, he's, but he's he does everything ridiculous.
He's so long, he takes up so much space and
guards so many positions. But in order to take that

(01:03:52):
next step, he's got to find a consistent jump shot.
How how long by your estimation will that take him? Who?
I think this year you will see that progression um
in his game because he's a worker. And now you
already know as a shooter, the only way you can
get better is through repetition. And I've watched him work

(01:04:13):
countless hour of it, hours of the day and night,
uh to get that jump shot better. And now it's
all in the hand. So when he can do what
Lebron did, when when guys you know for five or
six years backed up off of him, dare them to shoot,
and he can now not hesitate, it's gonna be a

(01:04:34):
simple game for him because then you're gonna make a misshot,
but you miss ad of the ones you don't take.
And that hesitation that he has when he sees that
open space for that basket, I mean that's the one
that throws his throws his rhythm off a little bit
as fall as a rhythm sport. He's the greatest player
we have in our game today at a tanking to
him and yes, I said it better than Lebron. I mean,

(01:04:56):
you're gonna look at this points in the paint. It's
all to charts or what he does, you know, and
attacking the rim and so adding that jump consistently is
only gonna make his game elevation. How surprised were you
you know that rocket system. How surprised were you that
that they struggled so badly. I don't know it's with fatigue,

(01:05:19):
but to make a shot in those last two second halves,
not at all. I mean it's a product of your
your involvement. I mean you live in down off isolation basketball.
You take tough, contested threes in our league. Again, I mean,
everybody talks about analytics and and and just that another thing,
But when you're in a game seven in the NBA Finals,

(01:05:40):
you go all stats, all analytics out the window, and
you gotta play smart and you have to play the win,
and to miss seven consecutive three point shots in a
game is unacceptable. If you're talking about being a champion
and winning at the highest level. So I don't care
what your system is. At some point you gotta make

(01:06:01):
that adjustment. And to look at how they determinated in
Game six and seven, in the first half of both
of those ball games, for you to do some other
than attack that paint, it just doesn't make any sense
to me. You can blame the players. You could say, yeah,
Harden hadn't arrived yet, say Chris Paul was hurt, but regardless,

(01:06:21):
at the end of the day, at boils down and
comes down to coaching, and I just think he got
outcast in that series. All right, let's let's get to
this series. Can you can you see a path to
which the Calves can win the series? No doubt about it.
Lebron James and nobody's ever gonna underestimate the playoff run
that he's had this season. To me, besides coming back

(01:06:42):
from a three one deficit in the NBA Finals as
a whole, the playoffs he's had this year is bar
none of the greatest I've seen. Now I've won. I've
witnessed Dirk's run he had with us in two thousand
eleven phenomenal, But I mean he Lebron is doing it
in such fashion and let's just be honest that as
he has on that team was just constructed. You know,

(01:07:03):
they're decent players in this league, you know their NBA players,
but for the level that he has them at right now,
this is this is just a tremendous job. And I
think for them to be successful, they have to come
out in steal game one. That is prime opportunity on
the road in any playoffs's, especially in the finals, to
come away and steal a victory because the other team

(01:07:23):
is coming off a series and they're not used to
the style and the pace of play that you play.
They're definitely not ready for Lebron because they only see
him twice a year now. And so I just gotta
believe this is this to be the only chance they
have if they can still Game one in this series
will go about six. Man, I look, I look, I
totally agree with you right where they're coming off game seven,

(01:07:46):
quick turnaround. Golden States proven to be beat a boar
at home now and you don't have a goodala who
normally you know, checks Lebron as much as as much
as possible, and and like look as much as as
as they're bad defensive team against Golden state right now,
you only have to guard three guys, so you're you're
playing five on three when you're on defense, which gives

(01:08:08):
them a chance. And offensively, you play through Lebron and
he's gonna find your open shooters. You're still looking for
those same, you know, three point shots. Maybe not as
high a volume as Houston, but they have quality three
point shooters that can make backbreaking jump shots. Yeah. And
this has been a defining moment also for coach t
lou in his career because he's gonna have to divise

(01:08:30):
a game plan offensively, uh that is gonna have to
help his defense. I mean, you're not gonna be able
to take a quick, bad three point shots. You're gonna
have to get your defense that get back in at
transition and and not give up the three point shots.
So whatever that plan is, man, I'm wishing the best
for Left is one of my best friends. I gave

(01:08:50):
him a little good luck note before that game seven
victory they had and it worked out. So I'm wishing
them the best, man. But I just honestly believe when
you have three of the credit at players or shooters
that we've ever seen. Um, I know since i've been
playing in my error, it's just a tough task to be.
It's just tough man. You know that team, you know,

(01:09:12):
it's it's great that you point that out. Jason Terry,
our guest in the Doug Gotlip Show, you said three
of the greatest shooters. I noticed you didn't say greatest players.
And this is one of those things to which it's
really hard to convince to to discuss with with people
who aren't basketball guys, which is you're not trying to
diminish what staff does. What stuff does is incredible, but
sometimes it the threes and the volume of threes now

(01:09:34):
quickly they can hide some of the other stuff things.
So there's a discussion out, well, it will hurt his
legacy if he never wins an NBA Finals m v P.
And I find it to be. I find it. I
have my own reaction. What's what's your reaction when you
hear that never did this, that would never a two
team MPP. I mean, there's no debating that. So whether

(01:09:57):
you win MVP in the finals or not, did you
win the finals? And and that's why I think people
fail to realize. I mean, he's already a two time
MVP too. I mean I could feel less if he
gives the MVP or not. He he was his work
and what it takes for them to give wins, and
his contribution goes beyond just putting the ball in the hall.

(01:10:19):
I mean every time he's on the floor, he's a threat.
So I mean dramatically, if Steph Curry doesn't come out
and have success. You've seen it in the Houston series.
The first two games, everybody talks about it. He's still heard,
he doesn't have the wiggle, and then as soon as
he got hot, I mean, the Rockets have no chance.
What was going on with Durant in that series? Duran

(01:10:40):
fell into the I saw one on one game, which
he no doubtly is top three in our league in
one on one basketball. I mean, he's the matchup nightmare.
If I'm seven feet you're six three and I can
look over you and shoot without taking the drivel, I mean,
I'm I'm definitely thinking about that option. And you gotta
remember in that series, Durant kept him in the first

(01:11:02):
three games. You ever thirty plus points the game, So
you can have one or two games where you don't
quite perform as well as you you would like but
for the most part, I mean Durant did his job.
I mean it was it was a great performance. Man. Alright,
last thing, Uh, you're tired. You get into this business,
You're go into coaching. There you did coaching interviews going
back two years ago. What what's what's your plan to

(01:11:25):
play twenty years because a lot of the guys that
came before me did a kid uh my idols and
so I definitely want to do that and and and
helping somebody would or afford me the opportunity this season
fairly back in Milwaukee. But if not, like for one
more championship. Man, it's nothing like getting in the post
season and plan and completing at the high level. Golden

(01:11:47):
State could use some offense off the bench, That's what
I'm saying. And you can you look nothing all a
little ring Chase Golden Stead use some offense out of
the bench. Yes, Jet, thanks so much for joining us, man.
I really appreciate it. Man. Any time that's Jason Terry
joining on the on the Doug Gotlip Show nineteen years
this true story, Um, there's that there used to be
Long Beach Press Press Telegram. Uh, it's got named Frank Burlson.

(01:12:09):
Who's the most respected high school and AU basketball UH
writer on the West Coast? By my estimation, there's some
other really really good ones, and I know they all
listen to the show that listen to the podcast. I'm
not trying to diminish them, but you know, Frank goes
to everything. And Frank had something called the best in
the West in the Long Beach Press telegram and it
was literally the only time of the year anybody I

(01:12:31):
know would ever pick up the Long Beach Press telegrams
when he wrote something, and especially his best in the West.
And Jason Terry was ranked ahead of me, and I
had never heard it. I grew up in southern California,
played against all these guys. Um. I was actually actually
stayed back a year so I was older. I was like,
I'll be number one point guard and I was the
second rated point guard in the West Western Unit States
to two. Jason Terry like, come on, he turned out

(01:12:53):
to be right about the ranking of Jet being better
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I don't know Clays in the game. There are times
when it feels like Clay's the only guy in the game. Draymond,
you know, always there and he gives. He checks the
box on a lot of different things. He's not great
at one thing, he's really good at a lot of things.

(01:16:07):
This guy is gonna help me whether his shot is
going in or not. Now, Clay Thompson is one of
the better two way defenders. He's one of the better
two guards as far as playing defense there. Yeah, that's
a tough choice because I'm saying you start your team
with Draymond Green or Clay Thompson. I'm not saying you
add him to your team because that would also impact
you know what decision I make. But if I'm starting
my team, I would probably go Draymond Green because then

(01:16:30):
I can I he can help me in a lot
of different ways. Clay is an unbelievable shooter, but he
doesn't create. He does need help, it feels like in
getting those shots, and he's benefited from playing with Golden State.
You add in the defense though, that makes it a
little bit more even for me. But I would take
Draymond Green, but Draymond is also an excellent defender and
a vers defender. Boys is hard. Um, I'd probably take

(01:16:55):
a Clay Thompson because though Clay doesn't set his teammates up,
he opens up the floor for his teammates because he's
such a weapon. And the easiest thing that is is
this one. How many threes did Clay have? I was
that my daughter's daughter had a soccer match last night
and I was at the soccer and he was talking
about all the threes a Golden State hill. I was like, Hey,

(01:17:17):
let me just ask you how many did you think
Clay hit? And he's like, I know, six, seven. I
was like, try three. It was like there was a
fourth where his foot was on the line. But he
won the first half and then he only hit three
in the second. It just feels like he makes a
ton because they're deep and he gets rid of him
so quick and you just lose them and all of
a sudden he makes it a wack. He makes another one,
but he there's a fear factor to Clay Thompson. There's

(01:17:41):
an embarrassment to giving up a three to Clay Thompson,
And um, I know that's not a reality. I know
that you shouldn't. It's it's a harder shot, a lower
percentage shot than many of the ones that the Draymond gets.
And Draymond does help you in a merit of different ways.
But I think you can though you may not find

(01:18:01):
another Draymond, you can find somebody who's closed to Draymond.
You can't find somebody who shoots it and guards and
has the size and basketball like you of a Clay Thompson.
Did you start with music, Yeah, I think it'd be
Clay Thompson. And quite honestly, I don't really see it
as being all that close. I I just think that

(01:18:22):
Draymond Green, you know, I always look at it as
if they're your best player, what can sort of be
the ceiling of your team? And I think if Draymond
Green's your best player, you're gonna maybe be a borderline
playoff team. And if that's if your second best player
is right on par with Draymond Green. Whereas Clay can

(01:18:43):
have incredibly high highs and like DP set, sometimes it
kind of disappears, so he has some pretty low lows.
I just think that in today's NBA, where it's so
offensive heavy, and you know, to be a good team
you have to average around a hundred points, you can't
rely on Draymond Green to be your player. Yeah, I look,
I think if you put Clay on his own team,

(01:19:05):
per se, I think Clay averages more points a game.
I look, do I think you'll win a title with
Clay Thompson as your best player? Probably not. But you
don't win the title with Draymond greenis best player either. Um.
But I think that Clay is a better version of
himself with a better team. I don't think Draymond is
a better version of himself. I think this team is

(01:19:26):
fits perfectly to where he There's a lot of teams
that he would struggle to play with. Heck, he struggle
to play with Lebron James. He's basically Lebron James, but
just significantly less and a little bit more like mean, Yeah,
I don't think he's basically Lebron. I think he's he's
his own. That there's not another guy like him. There's

(01:19:49):
other guys that are kind of like him that you know,
it's interesting that trying to you know, people want to
find their own dream. That what he can do that
special is. Here's where he's like Lebron in some ways,
that he can guard all five positions. He's actually probably
a better post defender than Lebron, is a better natural
shot blocker than Lebron is. Lebron is better probably out
in the perimeter defending a point guard than he is.

(01:20:11):
But even Lebron, you know, he's he's too big, just
like Draymond can be too big and can uh and
can get discombobulated. Um and he's an excellent, excellent passer,
excellent pastor super high basketball Q. He just can't score.
And if you watch when he drives, there's anyone anywhere

(01:20:31):
near clothes because he's not a good finisher. He's jumping in, diving, yelling,
trying to draw a foul because that's his best way
of scoring. I understand what you're saying. It's it's his
versatility and Lebron's versus what you're saying is Lebron's versatility.
But I mean he's kind of a non athlete in
comparison to Lebron. He's a great athlete. I just think

(01:20:53):
that with Draymond, and they both benefit from it, both
Clay and Draymond. I just think Draymond is a right
fit and he's exactly what the Warriors need, and people
completely overvalue that if you were to ever try and
build another team around him, because there are not that
many uniquely, I think, I honestly think that's their whole team,

(01:21:16):
with the exception maybe of k D. I think Steph
is special from as a score, but I don't know
if you if you put stuff on another team, would
you score more points a game? Yeah? Would they win
anywhere near the same number? I think the answer is no. No.
I think k D is the one guy to which
he can carry a team even if they obviously need

(01:21:38):
stuff to be explosive to win a title, they need
them all it does. It all works together, So there.
I don't think they're the most talented team of all time.
I don't think there nearly as talented as the eighties
Lakers in the context of back and how they played
basketball in the eighties. But they might be the best
put together starting five of all time considering the era
in which you play. I know you've played the back enda,

(01:22:02):
Why did you do it again? What are people saying
about Brian Colangelo's Twitter possible mishaps? We discuss next in
the Doug Godlic Show. What Updug Godlib Show? Fox Sports Radio?
We have for you a tremendous hour of sports radio. Tremendous.
Here's how I know. We have Chris Broussard, who's gonna

(01:22:24):
not gonna join us. Not I'm not gonna join us.
I'm not gonna join us. We're still gonna have a
great hour. It's okay. Luis Perez is gonna join us
up coming next um and I gotta ask him if
I have if I if he wants me to do
the gringo pronunciation or the Luis Pettis. Uh, Um, I

(01:22:47):
hate Ramos? Should I should I when I introduced Louise
but Perez? Should I do Luis Perez? Or should I
do Luis Pettis? Which I would say his name? How
it correctly pronounced? Which I assume it's Perez? I mean,
minds Ramos? But people say Ramos. I'm not gonna jump
on you if you say, but almost? Do I have

(01:23:08):
to do? I have to roll the art? Do you
have to roll the art? Would you like our role?
Look at give her good lib? Do you do well?
But do you do? Uh? Do you do? You say
fourier or fourier? Say fourier? You do say well? Look

(01:23:29):
at you? Yeah? Well though it's a French word, right,
she used the French pronunciation instead of instead of ployer.
It's in the ployer anyway. Um, do do you guys
know his story at all? Okay, I'll give you the
quick background. And he's going to join us in fifteen minutes.
So he's an undrafted free agent sign with the Rams.

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He didn't play high school football. He went to junior
college and I think they had like nineteen dudes. He
beat out eighteen guys to be a junior College. Then
he he only one that championship in Division two. He
won their equivalent of like the Heisman Trophy. And oh yeah,
by the way, he has some ridiculous eighteen perfect games
in bowling, like he could be a professional bowler through

(01:24:12):
for five thousand yards as quarterback in D two. Texas
and M Commerce, the Texas and MS Commerce. This Commerce
is a different city in Texas, right college station is there,
there's the big tex SA and M so it's a
different one. Have commerce, they have Corpus Christie. They have
a bunch of anyway, those five thousand yards and he's
like a he's like a pro bowler level bowler. Oh yeah,

(01:24:34):
by the way, he might he might be the backup
quarterback because they don't love Sean Manion, or it might
just be the third quarterback with the Rams only on
the non Niman roster. But he did get a contract.
It's a great story. He's gonna join us. But he's
a crazy, crazy good bowler. See we get twelve perfect games.
I've never broken two hundred and bowling of you. You

(01:24:56):
guys are broken two hundred. Nope, nope, nope, not even close.
Last season he threw for four thousand, nine nine nine yards,
forty six touchdowns and litter receptions. It's crazy, crazy and
twelve perfect games bowling. How many times you get to
go on that tenth tent three? You go three? No, two? Right? Seriously,

(01:25:23):
how many times? I honestly don't know. We'll ask him.
We'll ask a bunch of bunch of difference bowling stuff
that I didn't know. Anyway, we thought you'd enjoy that.
But let's let's get to this Brian Colangelo Twitter story.
I don't think it's a Twitter controversy. It's a Twitter story.
The Ringers a website that Bill Simmons started, and one

(01:25:45):
of Bill Simmons guy, this, this story came down yesterday.
And when I saw it, when did you send that
to me? Um? Ryan Music? Last night? Probably around six. Yeah.
So I was at my daughter's soccer game. I was
sitting next to a bunch of dudes and I see
I see it. I get a text from Music and

(01:26:06):
I thought it was gonna be an update on who
we are having on today, and it was from The
Ringer And then I read this and the writer is
Ben Dietrich, who used to write for The New York Times,
used to write for Grant Land. Of course I was
been Bill Simmons other spot. A collection of Twitter accounts
is criticized Philadelphia seventy six players and disclosed sensitive information

(01:26:27):
about the team. What does it have to do with
Brian Colangelo? An investigation by Brian Dietrich turns out that
investigation is they believe there are up to five Twitter
accounts which are we'll call them burner accounts. Now, burner
accounts come from burner phones, right, which is really because

(01:26:48):
a burner account isn't really a burner account, it does, right,
It Actually the idea of a burner phone is you
get a cell phone with UH and you five minutes
at like Walmart, and then there's no caller. I d
there's when you're done with it, you just throw it away.
Burner phone, which we all I think came to know

(01:27:10):
about from the wire, right. That was Was that your
first the first time I ever heard of burner phones? Like, oh,
burner phone, that makes sense. I think that was the
first time. We were you gonna say, John, I was saying,
the first time I thought I heard of it personally
speaking was Tiger. I thought Tiger had it burner phone
as well. During that time when he went through all
of his No Tigers. Thing was he only had one

(01:27:33):
phone and the reason he got caught was because he
used to delete everything on his phone like very regularly.
But Tiger always had problems with he wouldn't sleep, and
so he took an ambient, fell asleep without deleting anything,
and his wife found his phone with everything on it,
which is why Apple invented the face I d I
guess right, it's Tiger, so ambient undid Rosie and Tiger. Right.

(01:27:58):
Did you guys see what am and tweeted today? Like
the makers of Ambien tweeted today. Anybody see this? It was?
It was great? Uh? Where is it? Uh? The makers
of ambient response, racism is not a known side effect.
That's fantastic, fantastic. I have known people who have sent
text to me like sorry, I was on AMBI and

(01:28:20):
I was kind of lost my mind. I've only taken
Ambient twice. Was on the same flight last year when
I was coming back from Israel. Remember I was we
were thinking about me hosting Colins show, getting off the
plane like five in the morning, hosting a show at
nine in the morning. And then they were like now
let's not do that. It's too risky. So I slept
that day and then hosted his shows the rest of
the week. But I took um an ambien. I slept no,

(01:28:44):
because it's overnight flight. I slept, woke up, took an ambient, slept,
I woke up for a couple of hours, read a
bunch of stuff, and then took an ambient and slept again. Anyway,
I didn't do anything crazy that I know of. I mean,
I was just stuffed in a plane. But anyway, that's
a good that's a good memory. You have music. I
forgot he took an ambient and forgot to delete his phone.

(01:29:07):
So the Burner accounts, it's not really a burner account,
But what it is is they're anonymous accounts eggs right,
which is where you don't know who it is, you
don't know where they're from. It turns out Colleangelo might
have been operating a couple of these. So what the
Ringer did was they were tracking five different accounts, tracking five,

(01:29:31):
but they called about two. They called the seventy six
ers and like, hey, what's the deal with these two accounts. Meanwhile,
they were following three other accounts who went from public
to private oops and the ones that went from public
to private. There was one that they didn't call about,
but they kept tracking that because they were still they

(01:29:53):
were following, and they they they didn't have to ask
permission to follow. After that, they got kind of before
the closing bell, if you will, and all of a sudden,
all the activities cease and assisted there's other different You
gotta read the article, is there there's no there is
no pictures of of Brian Colangelo tweeting. There's no hey,

(01:30:17):
we connected his phone or his computer to this Twitter account.
But there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes you
go like, man, I don't know how it could be
anybody else. And then there's apparently whoever the tipster was,
whoever the snitch was, whoever the rat think was. It
was like, I don't know how I could be anybody
other than Brian Colangelo. Colangelo has denied it. Joel Embiid

(01:30:43):
says uh that he believes him. Some of the information
was about to embead some of his bauchelo ocal for
someone's about Marquel Foltz. There's a lot of stuff in there.
I just don't know how you combat this other than
you're not just going to tell You can't just tell
me you didn't do it. You gotta give me who did.

(01:31:07):
The court of public opinion is far different than the
court of law, and the court of law. You don't
have to prove that you're innocent. You only have to
prove reasonable doubt, and you don't have to find a
guilty party. You can you can be like shotgun pellets
and go, hey, maybe it was the post of post
office worker. Maybe it's this guy, Maybe it was that guy.
Maybe it's the other guy, or maybe it's the maybe

(01:31:28):
it's the one Armed Bandit can't do that Twitter with
a When you have a digital footprint, you have a
digital footprint the seventies, Sis need to hire somebody and
find out with their investigation who it was who operated
that account, and if it's Colangelo, he's gonna have to

(01:31:49):
be gone. And if you ask yourself, and it's a
very reasonable question to ask, which is why would you
do that? Why would you risk your career just to
set the narrative straight, just to just to have people
understand what's really going on behind the scenes, just to
make yourself look good. It feels really petty, really small,

(01:32:11):
really insecure. And there's a reason I've said this many times.
Some of the my mom Um, she's an interior designer,
and she used to design she still does um space
planning and interiors for medical office buildings, and she would
always say this. She's like, man, it's a it's a
very difficult job. And I said why She's like because

(01:32:34):
and remember they started this firm in the late eighties
and went through the nineties, and back then, doctors were
the richest people in your neighborhood, right, doctors aren't. It's
still a very profitable profession. But people in finance, people
in real estate, people in the market, people in tech,
what they make now that's doctors used to be the

(01:32:55):
doctors and lawyers used to make that. It's not the
same anymore. But she's always say like's like, mom, doctors,
they've seen they make a lot of money. Why it's
like the richest people who could be the cheapest people.
They believe that's how they got rich and let's how
you stay rich. And the same thing is true for
successful people like Jay Leno would never take time off ever.

(01:33:21):
Do you know why, because he didn't want anybody to
find the next Jay Leno, even with Jay Leno was
out retired from the Tonight Show, he couldn't stay way
long and he came back and he dusted Conan right,
because as successful as jay Leno was, jay Leno is
so rich. He's got cars. He can never drive. That's

(01:33:41):
how you know you're rich. But he's so insecure. They
never take time off ever, ever, ever, ever. The funniest
people are comedians, right, they're often very very dark. Successful
people can be incredible insecure. That's why Brian Clint has

(01:34:04):
to be the logical reason why Brian Clangelow, who you know,
his dad was great and dad got him the job
and he did a good job in Toronto, why he
has to has to somehow try and set the narrative
on Twitter. If in fact this is true, it's a
very big If in fact this is true, this is
it's just like the Sean Miller thing, where I gotta

(01:34:24):
I gotta see some I believe guilty until proven innocent
on this deal because there's so much but they can
find out. Just like with the Sean Miller thing, Eventually
that tape will play. And right now it feels like
Joan Miller has gotta be vindicated because I haven't heard
anything from Mark sli Ball and Miller said, hey, um
this that's not what was said on the tape. Nothing

(01:34:45):
to do with it either. He is a complete liar
that everybody in Arizona is buying. Or maybe Mark slab
I never heard the tape and he took the second
information wrong. So if it is true, there's a reason
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(01:37:01):
Fox Sports Radio, Ram. Do't you have any hidden talents? Uh?
Like I used to be really good at ping pong
um my ping pong table that my wife bought for
me like five years ago. We got left out in
the rain and it wasn't the wasn't the variety that

(01:37:24):
could be left out in the rain and got destroyed.
So I think father's damn and asked for another one.
But I used to be I was never like pro
level ping pong table, but ping ponger, but I used
to love to play ping pong um. My wife is
a great whistler. She believes she could do whistle overs

(01:37:44):
or whistles on commercials and I'm not sure she's wrong.
She's an incredible and I'm not talking about fingers in
the mouth, just she has the ability. She's incredible whistler.
Do you have any hidden talents? No, not that I
can think about. The top of my head gardening. Weren't
you aren't changing the gardens. Dan's got the green thumb. Nothing.

(01:38:06):
There's nothing you do well outside of outside of what
you do for us, which is spectacular. Is our technical director.
There you go that that's basically at the dug. It
kind of sad and disappointing to be totally honest with you.
Like Ryan Music is a volleyball player, I'm sure there's
other things that he does well. Um, I want to
teach you. I want to be like uh, I want

(01:38:27):
to teach yoga class like I do, like yoga sculpt
it was just like lifting a yoga with music and stuff.
I want that to be. I want to like teach
a class like once a week with like not not
a hardcore rap, but like hip hop and rap music.
I want to have other things I do. I'm fascinated
by Luis Press. Fascinated by because the guy was his

(01:38:49):
dad was a professional soccer player in Mexico, grew up
in San Diego and don't try to be a pro bowler,
didn't play high school football, goes to junior college when's
the starting job, goes to D two, I mean tears
it up goes undrafted, and now he's on the RAMS

(01:39:10):
nine Amen roster. They're walking off the field at O
t a s uh down the street from us in
Thousand Oaks. That's about thirty five minutes from where we
are right now, and he's gonna he's gonna join us
very very shortly. But that hidden talent of of of
being a bowler, like that's when that's like a you know,

(01:39:33):
Desmon Mason who was my roommate at Oklahoma State for
a year, play in the NBA ten years slam dunk champion,
great pool player, great pool player, and like those are
the type of talents to which you can just take
dudes money from. The problem with Pereza story now is
that he won't. Everybody's gonna know it. But I guess
he could go to a bowling alley if you ever

(01:39:54):
want to make a hunter bucks or two hundred bucks
and do the and do the uh. What was the
what was the movie with the Woody Harrelson and Kingpin?
King Pin? Great movie, good lines in that movie, Big
Ern McCracken. You don't want to get Munston out in
the middle of nowhere. So I'm I'm fascinated if he's

(01:40:22):
ever won money off somebody, and if he's done the whole,
you know, throw some gutter balls, lose the game. So
that if you can win three or four games, do
you know what you're supposed to do? So you're not
any good at at ping pong or pool or darts
or any any any games that you can play like

(01:40:44):
drinking beerd No, No, I'm sorry, I hate to just
losing you and the listeners of the Doug Gottlieb Show.
But basically this is, you know, I don't have any
hidden talents that I do. I just coach my my
kids sports. That's basically. I guess that's kind of a
talent I guess to coach because it's not it's not
easy to coach, and it's not it's not easy to coach.
It's not easy coach. Luis Perez joins us on the

(01:41:08):
Dug out Lip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Have you
ever taken money off somebody when you're bowling? No? I
have not done that. Why why not? I mean this
just seems like I mean, like, look, so is it
still twelve perfect games? Yes, sir, that is okay. So
I mean, if you're that good at bowling, why not,
you know, just for a gag on a Friday night,

(01:41:30):
go to a bowling alley, you know, start throwing a
couple in the gutter. Guy comes up and go there
you want a bowl? And he take some money off
a dude. What not? I like the idea, but that's
just my whole I am Louis Perez. Join us in
the doug Ot Lip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
We've told the listeners a little bit about your story.
Let's let's start in high school. You didn't play high
school football? Why not? Okay? So um try out for

(01:41:54):
for freshman year of high school. And at the time
they had a quarterback there and I tried out on
a winte off and then that was about the same
time where bowling got really good for me. I so
I decided to take the bowling round instead of the
football route, to run the wing tea, which doesn't for
people don't know tight splits they used to running. Actually
at my high school, Deshaun Foster, Frosty Rucket, those guys

(01:42:15):
up at TUST and they ran the wing tea. And
so it wouldn't really matter if you played quarterback there anyway,
you weren't throwing the football except for five times a game,
so didn't it didn't really matter. So you go bowling?
All right? Did bowling not work out? Like? Why I
decided to play football in junior college? So bow Uh?
Football was always my dream growing up. I was want
to be in a full quarterback and that was always
the vision I had, you know, even though I didn't

(01:42:36):
playing in Nish school, you know, I still had that
vision of playing in the NFL. And so I decided,
you know, one day, it was last home game my
senior year of high school, and I get there and
all my buddies on the football team, and I'm in
the stands and I'm watching everybody right out of the tunnel,
and I'm like, oh man, you know, I got to
kind of like a jittery feeling like why am I
not down there? Why am I up here in the stands.

(01:42:57):
And that was really the moment that sparked everything for
me to decide to put football. Okay, So you go
to you go to junior college, and they were is
this right, nineteen guys counting you trying out to play quarterback?
Nine oh nine guys? All right, Well I like my
story better. Mine was better nineteen. By the time you
get done, if you start in the NFL, it's gonna
be nineteen. There are nine dudes. Were you number nine?

(01:43:18):
Did anybody? Did the coaches know who you were? Did
they call you by your last name or you? Hey? You?
What was first practice at at junior college Southwestern, which
is you know it's in San Diego where you grew up.
What was the experience like? Yeah, so it was completely
new just because you know, I didn't playing high school
of course, so you know, going in there and I mean,
all I know how to do with so football. I

(01:43:38):
didn't know about ferns, I don't know aboutn't know about
you know that stuff, you know. So I just went
in there and kind of just it kind of to
me by by shock a little bit, just on you know,
how much the quarter offers really was. You know, it's
not just throwing the football. You know, there's a lot
more too with it, and that goes into it. Um.
So it definitely was was a cool experience. You know,
it was the eye opening experience for sure. And then
you got hurt though, but didn't everybody got hurt to

(01:44:00):
give you an opportunity, But then you got hurt how
bad was your offensive line at Southwestern? No, So to
correct you, a few guys switch positions and a couple
of guys transferred out and we had one guy get hurt.
So that's what happened. And then you know, I won
the second string spot during fall camp and started went
down in the second half of the game, and I
went in and I do two SHOs on the fourth

(01:44:21):
quarter and and brought us back. So that's what happened. Okay,
So you go to Texas A and M Commerce. You
read shirt your first year, right, and so you go
and you're going to Texas to play football your D two.
What was that experience like where you're trying to learn
the position that you didn't You don't have a lot
of volume of reps during your year off at at

(01:44:41):
at A and M Commerce. Hello, yeah, can hear me?
You're cutting off a little bit. Okay, let let's see
that question. Luis Perez join us on the Doug Gottlib
show your your year off at at A and M Commerce.
How important was that for you for your development? Oh?
I was here. I was living that Division one dream.

(01:45:01):
Of course. I got everybody and I went in, you know,
and I was waiting for that Division one offer up
until you know July, and uh, you know, it never came.
So I decided to go Division two route next sandem commerce,
that coaching set that was there, developed one of the
few Division two quarterbacks and making in the NFL and
Dustin Vaughn um So I decided that was a good
spot for me. And so that year of red shirting

(01:45:22):
was huge just from me not having that much experience,
being able to sit in the system for a year,
learn understand what's going on, learn the position even more
was just huge. You throw thirty two touchdowns, five interceptions
your first year started last year, you win the Harlem
Hill Award, which is it's the D two Heisman. Forty
six touchdowns, eleven interceptions. How similar was what you were

(01:45:43):
doing there to a professional style off What was the
type of offense that you're running putting up these ridiculous numbers. Uh?
So we run an air rate offense, type of air
right offense. Uh. Where you know, we had a lot
of deep concepts, intermediate concept short concepts and h it's
a little different. I'll tell you what from from here
with the Angelo's rams. But again, everywhere you go, whether
you went to USC or you went to commerce. The

(01:46:04):
playbook is going to be different. Um, it's gonna be
definitely a learning curve. Uh So, I feel like I'm
a justusting world. But you know, Kurt Warner was you know,
he was a northern Iowa, right and he was he
was he was stocking shelves. But you know there's the
similarity between you and Kurt right that you both have
wives named Brenda. I mean, there's there there. It is.
You're gonna be that Kurt Warner, aren't you. Hey? I

(01:46:26):
sure hope so. Man For for me to be in
the same sentences Kurt Warner, Man, that's something special. Now,
So you know, I hope I can do half of
what he did. I'll clell you what, okay, give me
the give me the honest sense. What's your legit chance
of making the team right now? You know I have
no control over that. You know, of course I have
some control with my play but in the end, it's
it's it's what the coaches want and what they want

(01:46:46):
to do with this team. I'm just here to compete
and be the best that I can be every single
day and hopefully hope that will be enough to to
make the roster. Yeah fun. Are you having fun? Oh yeah,
no doubt, there's a lot of fun. You love playing
for ball. I have so much more to play just
from from stop playing in high school and I saw
four more years to play at least. Well, listen, we're
gonna keep tracking it. We want to keep in touch

(01:47:08):
with you. We will watch the journey and we appreciate you.
Join us on Fox Sports Radio. Awesome, thank you so much.
Luis Peez joined us on The Doug Gottlip Show. Pretty cool.
I mean, like basically, you know, it's it's not it's
kind of the like the Adam fieland stuff stuff right, Like,
well Adams Adam Deeld was a little walk on. They
had open tryouts and like, man, why don't you come
down and try out for the team, Like all right,

(01:47:29):
he's a pro bo. It's crazy. This dude didn't play
high school football. He starts out like ninth on the
depth chart. When's the job? In junior college? Red Churches,
first year at D two, lights up the world D
two Player of the Year, doesn't get drafted. Now, if
you're like Sean Manne and you're like, dude, what who's coming,

(01:47:55):
Let's get to Dan Buyer, Dan, do you have any
hidden trick? I mean, like, do you have any secret skills?
We mentioned gardening, but like Luis, he could easily be
a professional bowler. Yeah, not nothing to nothing to that level.
Never broke two hundred and bowling, as he mentioned earlier. Um,
I like to play pool, but I'm not good at it.

(01:48:15):
Same thing with darts. Like to play, but probably not great.
In my last house, and I got to be decent
until my until my son started beating me. And then
it was he was eight and he was beating Ito. Uh,
seven ball corner pockets. I problems. I hit the ball
too hard. I I don't I like like going and
I'm really bad at breaks. How do you get good

(01:48:37):
at breaks? Um? I'm not sure. I always thought just yet,
try to hit it as hard as you can, maybe
like at a side angle, if you can. I have
more problems with the finesse of it at times of
just trying to you know, trying to cut a ball
into a pocket. Yeah, that's difficult for me. No more
than two balls made in a row. I can't go

(01:48:58):
on like a five ball run. There's no way. Um.
The Warriors will see if they go on to run
against the Cavaliers as the NBA Finals start tomorrow. If
they do so, they're gonna do it without Andre Igodala,
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(01:49:19):
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(01:49:39):
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(01:50:00):
college football in doug If you remember a few years
back they tried to Northwestern played Illinois with the end
zone too close to the right field wall, so they
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(01:50:20):
they did. They move the wall they have with the
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the field. I think they said they they have temporary
seating down the third baseline, which would allow them to
have more room to take out seats and put a field.
That's uh, that's my understanding of it. Um yeah, I mean, like,

(01:50:42):
look that they don't play at like his It's it's
not like you're taking a game out of Camp Randall right,
you're not taking a you're taking north Western stadiums. Okay,
their new football facility. Have you seen that. It's incredible.
It's right on the lake and it's just now, look
it's also covered up. It's also indoors because it's freezing
a good portion of the year. Or another secret about

(01:51:04):
the lake that people have got to realize now. The
difference in Chicago and really frankly Milwaukee, but more Chicago
and any other big city is like in New York
on the weekends, everybody goes to you go to Jersey Shore,
you go up to Connecticut, you go out to Jones Beach,
at to Oriat, to Long Island, you go to the mountains.
Wherever you go, you go away from the city. The

(01:51:24):
reason Chicago is such a great summer city is people
come to the lake, to the lake on the weekends
when you got Cubs games, but too you come and
you can go onto the beach, which is right there
in Chicago. The problem with Chicago is just a terrible
weather's awesome city. Terrible weather city, crazy cold, crazy winter

(01:51:45):
wind in the winter, and then of course in the
summer it is really really hot and human. Yeah, there's
no better city I believe in the summer than Chicago. Yes,
it's magnificent. And because why do you think that is
hypothesize for me? Um, I do think that the lake
has something to do with it. It's not gonna get
sweltering hot. It's a city that has a lot going on. Um,

(01:52:07):
just downtown, even with whether it be you know, Grant
Park or Navy Pier, there's just a lot of just
a neat place to be. Um. I love downtown Chicago.
Were the best, you know, skylines that you've got in
in the country. Maybe only New York's is better. So yeah,
there's just a lot of a lot about it. I
want to do a show from Summerfest at some point
in Milwaukee. Okay, Yeah, that's right along the beach in Milwaukee,

(01:52:29):
which is, you know, like an hour and a half
up up the interstate from Chicago. I'm a big you
know at The difference in Milwaukee though, is because there's
so many lakes in Wisconsin, a lot of people go
to their their lakehouse right on the on the weekend,
as opposed to coming to to Milwaukee on the weekends.
I would say that's the biggest difference. Everyone in Illinois
comes to speed in Wisconsin and speed on the highways

(01:52:51):
in the Great State and heading up north, you sound
like the oldest person on earth. They by the way,
So it's it's funny. You point that out that I'm
actually I become that old person too. So where I live, uh,
behind my house, there is a body of water to
a bay, okay, and then on the other side there's

(01:53:13):
another side obviously of the bay is more land there.
And my wife has told me for the you know,
nine months, sweeping back in this house, She's like, every
night at ten thirty, there's some dude doing donuts and
the parking lot across the way and I can hear it.
And so one night I was out in the back,
like taking the dog out, and there was a bunch
of dudes back there doing the fast and furious. And

(01:53:33):
so I did what I swore I would never do,
and I called the cops. And all I said was like, hey, listen,
I'm not gonna sound like some grumpy old get off
my lawn person. But it's ten thirty a night. It
happens every night. Could you send somebody down there just
to chase them off? And I'm telling you, for the
last month there's been lots of dudes getting rung up

(01:53:54):
because they're out there. They want to do there's this
one spot they want to do fast and furious. They
have their they have their suped up cars, stooped up
supras and uh and I see coplights going on all
the time, and I'm like, yeah, that was me, that
old guy. Did you disguise your voice? You know? No? No?

(01:54:15):
And then I freaked out and called the cops there
to night because I thought I heard gunshots? Did you
hear that there was gunshots? But he's like, what's the
you know what the problem is in my house? Um?
Do you guys know about the Golden State Killer? Yeah?
A little bit, Okay, So Ron was an ideal of
the Golden State Killers. Yeah, he was a former policeman, right, yeah, yeah,
Joseph James D'Angelo. Golden State Killer was it was a

(01:54:38):
string of unsolved rapes and murders in the seventies and eighties,
all up and down the state of California. And there
was actually a book to which Patton Oswald's wife, uh
was she was investigating. She was investigating the fact it

(01:54:59):
was solved. Anyway, she wrote a book it It drove
her to where she couldn't sleep, is freaking her out
at night, and she died I think from an overdose
of of of meds. Anyway, He's like the original Night
soccer before the night start. So uh. Another woman picked
up the book, finished the book. My wife's reading it,

(01:55:20):
so now she can't sleep at all because of this book.
I read like the opening chapter, and like, no way
am I reading this book? Uh? Anyway, that's what's going
on in my house. Why are you so grumpy, Gottlie,
because none of us can sleep because I snore until
I got my zeppa and then my wife is reading
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(01:55:42):
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for you, predictions for you. We got you covered, don't worry,
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he sees uniforms he doesn't like. Doug. I just twunted
this out a little while ago. The NBA Finals uniform

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matchups have been revealed. Get ready for black, gray, and
white throughout the entire series. There's gonna be no blue
from the Warriors, no red from the Cavaliers or maroon.
If you will win there, Yeah, Wine it is. It's
going to be either a black Cavaliers jersey against the
white Warriors one or the Gray Warriors one against the

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White Cavaliers one. Super boring if you ask me, by
the way I do it. No, they didn't, But I'm
telling you it's how about some color on color jerseys,
you know, liven it up for the NBA Finals. Um,
we'll start with We'll start there Andrega Dollar ruled out
for game one, maybe game two, as he says he's
getting closer to returning, but he'll be re evaluated prior

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to Sunday's Game two. I think that's big. I do. Look,
it was the week link for them, both offensively and defensively.
They've had more time to adjust. I don't think it
hurts them as much because though Cavan Luney's not a
great defender, he can. He's better against Lebron, believe it
or not, than he would be against James Harden. Uh.
Same thing for Jordan Bell. The problem is those guys

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are just non scores. Did you want to see those jerseys?
I retweeter did at the Empire on Fox, just putting
it out there so people can get the social media
needs that I could provide from them for them. New
York Times says Chris Paul has already started his recruitment
of Lebron James to the Houston Rockets already. That's what
mark Stein says. He texted him, go dog coming. Uh

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maybe through their conversations, do we want to see that? No?
I don't think so. I kind of do. Really. I
think we get what we've got last year. Um, I know,
I still I think i'd kind of like to see it.
I'd like to see a golden stide. I think Golden
State is not gonna stand pat. I think there's gonna
be a lot of changes there. All right, Now I

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can go. Bovada now actually has odds on Brian Colangelo's
future with the seventy sixers plus two hundred that he's
with the Sixers next year as their president of basketball
ops two to one odds. So the odds on minus
three mis three hundred that he does not right correct,
hen he gone, Uh, Frank Vogel has gone from Orlando

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Steve Clifford's now they're the former Hornets head coach, the
Great Dog getting the magic job a four year deal. Yeah.
I thought he had health problems in Charlotte. I know
Steve Clifford really well. He's great, dude, and a good
coach Um, but I thought he had health problems. That's
why he stepped away and then he got fired. So
day baseball Indians have won five straight, beating the White Sox,
Brewers won eight games on their ten game homestand topping

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the Cardinals today three to two, and J. D. Martinez
home run number eighteen is the Red Tucks top the
Blue Jay six to four. Pretty good signing for the
Red sixe, wasn't it. I mean, the only guy who
really got big money. Didn't get as much as he thought,
but big money this offseason, and so far he's been
worth every penny. Oh I say no, no, I've got Doug.

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If you've seen on the script, I've got like three
more stories to do. But John wanted to come John. Okay, Well,
let me just tell you this. Steelers revealed their throwbacks
this season. They'll be the nineteen nineteen seventy nine jerseys
that they wore during their Super Bowl wins. Don't like
those now? Yes, yeah, I was gonna say, there's got
to be not much variation, but they are going to

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be honoring the forty anniversary of those Super Bowl teams
over the next two years. So they'll wear those throwbacks
this year. They're going to wear them against the Browns
on October. And then, finally, a neat story of Saints
quarterback Drew Brees was the secret bitter at an auction
where he secured to produce basketball jersey that's believed to
have been worn by the late John Wooden. Breese been

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two hundred and twenty thousand dollars for the jersey and
announced he's loaning it to Purdue in perpetuity, as it
will be displayed in Mackey Arena from now on. That's cool.
You know there's a John Winden was inducted in the
Basketball of Fame as a player before and as a coach,
a great player at at Purdue. Uh, there's a statue
out front. That's pretty cool. Like what's your best jersey?

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You have a Drew bree but you have a Drew
Brees jersey, Like I have a John Winden produe jersey. Okay,
that kind of ends that discussion. That's pretty cool. And
that's the press back, Get out there and press. That
was the press. I do have a Henry Aaron Stein jersey.
It's not not I used, not used by Henry Aaron
was I I did, like the I did not the

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p A. I was like, the I did interviews uh
at the Basketball Hall of Fame and they're like, yeah,
we could pay you, and they gave me and I
was like, how about if I just did silent auction?
And it was I thought it was really smart way
of doing it. What I did with my loot that
I spent all that night end up being like a
money loser for me. That night was Uh. I spent

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money on stuff that I thought people should have been
on that they did not because it was in New England,
so it was like Yankees, Red Sox, Yukon, Celtics people
and crazy like Henry Aaron Jersey. I was the only
guy that that wrote down anything on the Silent Auction.
So you know, it's more expensive than buying the Henry
arn Jersey. The framing. Framing is expensive and you can't

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go cheap on it. No, of course, not that you
can't go like, oh you got Henry Andrews. The end
your frame is falling apart. You know what I grow
really tired of, uh, the pregame interviews for the NBA Finals.
It's like we didn't hear from these people enough like
let them be. These were policies that were putting this

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just like it's not like that the concussion policy is
put into place to mirror that of football. This is
a policy is putting place back in the eighties and
nineties where we didn't we see these guys on all
the time, and if they want to get the message
out there on Twitter on social media with exception obviously
Lebrono goes zero, dark thirty or whatever, like at some
point I get the day before, but the day of

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I don't really I don't think what they should have
to do media obligations. I kind of like to see
Lebron Houston. I do because whoever win that series, like
oh and then maybe they fit face Boston the finals,
Like I think they'd be awesome. I'm kind of coming
around to that idea. We'll see all in time. Tomorrow

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the finals will preview it. I hope, hope to pick
winners for you. They help make you some money. This
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