Westbrook’s Not Impressive, Cowboys Done w/ Dez? Plus Ray Allen!

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boys thrown at the first pitch of the Padres game
tomorrow night. Look at that. So what's interesting about that?
Have you? Have you guys, ever been involved been involved
with anybody thrown at the first pitch? Okay, so I've

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done this once before actually with the Angels, um and
um uh. It's like the first time you do, it's
kind of nerve wracking because everybody's like, dude, you don't
want to you don't want to go fitty cent right,
you don't want to throw something and look like you've
never played baseball. The best part about this is I
have a nine year old son and I pitched to
his team. Although I did is a little kid named Mason.

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Sorry Mason. I went high and tight get him right
in the middle of the back Monday afternoon at batting practice,
and he's the one kid who's been stepping in the
bucket a little but a little bit scared of the ball,
and I was like, no, no no, you're fine, And then
you know, they all want me to heat it up,
throw a little bit harder, and one got away from me.
Might m you know I have I have some late
movement and the late movie turned away from the ball

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and I mean to hit him square in the back.
Sorry Mason, but I I have thrown off the bump
probably seven or eight times at Hayes's practice, granted to
a shorter, shorter mount. But um, there'll be some heat
coming out, they'll, I'll, I'll probably i won't be throwing
Uncle Charlie, but I'll be throwing some heat tomorrow as

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the Padres take on the Giants in San Diego. So
that'll be a ton of fun. And I don't think,
I hope. Well, last time it was a little bit inside.
I didn't airmail it. I think this time I expect
to throw a strike anyway. Fired up tonight. It's nice
last night of the NBA season, right, isn't there? Right?
Believe so last night of the NBA season, which means

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we'll have the entire playoff picture. You heard Dan Buyer
with our updates when bringing dime Damn Buyer later on,
he'll he'll give us kind of the rundown of what
exactly is at stake the Oklahoma City Thunder in the playoffs.
And of course they can climb in terms of securing
their playoffs seed make it a higher one with a win.
I think it's tonight right against Memphi against Memphis Grizzlies.

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So yeah, I am. I am crarect, right, okay, And
if you've seen who the Memphis Grizzlies are starting, you
feel pretty good about it. Additionally, Russell Westbrook is like
nineteen rebounds away from sixteen excuse me, sixteen rebounds away
from averaging a triple double, which, of course, if you've

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been watching recently, there have been some rebounds which you're like,
all right, they kind of wanted him to get those boards.
Here's Russell Westbrook on some of the discussion regarding his stats.
A stata going to get rebounds. If people could get
twenty rebounds every night, they were people you're fixt rebounds,

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they were people else talking or say whatever you we
need to say this to try and do, to see
how hard on everybody wants to be talking. And you know,
I'm tired of him the same old rebound miss still
in rebound. Yeah, okay, I mean like, look, I'm there's
there's part of me which which agrees with him, and
part of which me with which disagrees with him. I mean,

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look at this as he as he would even tell
you the stats don't lie, right, alright, but the stats
don't lie. He does have a ton of double digit
rebound games since the middle of February. There was a
good there was a good stretch of games there where
he wasn't in February in January. But by and large,
he's a really good rebounding guard. Now, I don't want

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my guards rebounding. I just don't want, especially my point guard,
a guy with his speed. I think one of the
big flaws is that Russell Westbrook rebounds. That's a huge mistake.
See what's what's faster than the dribble? John Ramos, if
you you coach, you cocker. But the the the emphasis
in soccer and in basketball is the same, right, that

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a pass is faster than the dribblers and none. Yes,
And so one of the big issues that I have
with Billy Donovan's coaching is why the hell is Russell
Westbrook under They're getting boords? To begin with, he should
be getting deep outlet passes. He should be between the
top of the key and mid court. And if he
did so, can you imagine their fast break? He's already

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the best athlete in the league. It's not close the
best athlete league. But because he's catching the ball at
that close, that close to the basket, he has to
beat four, sometimes five guys down the floor, and that
hurts their transition game, that hurts his own field goal percentage. Frankly,

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I think that creates if you were assists for him. So,
while Russell Westbrook is right, it is is hard to
get ten rebounds. I never got time rebounds ten rebounds
in the game. I don't think ever. But it's also
not my job to get rebounds. It's just not ain't
my job. And um, I love that he's a versatile player.

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I love how competitive he is, but I would point
out it ain't his job. You're doing somebody else's job.
Now your job. That doesn't mean you don't ever rebound.
End of game. Everybody rebounds, you get caught underneath switching.
Got a big guy, you gotta box out. But honestly,
when you box out, you don't necessarily have to rebound.
Just make sure your guy doesn't get the basketball. Long

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caraming rebounds you should get it, you should collect it.
But by and large, and this is a generalization that
ain't your job. And so part of Russell Westbrook doing
somebody else's job and no one calling him on it
is part of the problem. And here's the other thing.
Either Russell Westbrook is the most dynamic, the most diverse

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player in terms of skill set that we have seen
since Scar robertson or or well there's this other or
or these are stats on steroids, that's all they are.
And it feels to me more like the latter than
the former. I bring this up quite often because it's

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an easy it's a simple way to make my explanation. Um,
you go to passing yards for NFL quarterbacks and last
year was a little bit of an exception because we
had so many injuries, right, uh, and but the numbers
were generally down in terms of four thousand yards pastors.
Last year there was only oh, I say emphasize only eight.

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That's because if you look in some previous years there
were more than eight. You look at two thousand sixteen
and you had thirteen four thousand yard pastors. Thirteen four
thousand yard pastors. Go back fifteen years to two thousand
two and you had four, right, you had four, And

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go to two thousand three. Look at the fact that
the stats have in fact changed. Right, in two thousand two,
you had four. In two thousand three, you had to
four thousand yard pastors just too, just two and those
two were Peyton Manning and Trent Green. Tom Brady in

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two thousand three only through four hundred yards. It's pretty
pretty amazing, right, how the NFL has changed. It started
to transform itself in two thousand four when we had
four a sume five four thousand yard passers. But you
go all the way to two thousand sixteen and we

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had thirteen two thousand yard passers and Derek Carr was fourteen.
And the only reason Derek Carr, if you remember this
is not last year, it's of us here, didn't throw
for four thousand yards. He got hurt. He missed the
last two games. So either we have way better passers

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than we've ever had, or if you look at the attempts,
guys are attempting six hundred, six hundred plus passing attempts.
In two thousand sixteen, we had five players attempt six
attempt to pass six hundred times. You go back to
those stats and remember two thousand three, the most passes

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attempt him were five hundred seventy by Brad Johnson, Paid
Manning five sixty six with a hundred more pass attempts comes,
you know, fifty more completions, or if it's in this case,
if it's Paid Manning, sixty seven more completions, sixty seven
more completions. When you're completing them, even at five six

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yards a pop, you're gonna get more yards. You're going
it's in other words, in the NFL, how we view
stats have changed because of the number of plays, the
number of possessions, the number of attempts. The exact same
thing has happened in the NBA. And if you're not
paying attention to that, and you're simply falling in love

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with Russell Westbrook because of the volume of points, the
volume of assists, you're missing out on. He dribbles, he
handles the ball, more, he shoots the ball, more, he
passes at the last second to make an assist. More,
and with more and more and more becomes more stats.
And just like stats in um August and September in

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Major League Baseball are a little bit hollow because of
the September collups. Just like stats against the Memphis Grizzlies
and other tanking teams are a little bit hollow because
you're playing against G League players in games in which
they're trying to lose. The same can be said for
Russell Westbrook. I'm not saying he's not an incredible player,
but he shouldn't even be rebounding to begin with. He
should be triggering their break, getting the past, asking in

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the outlet pass. And he's not better than all of
the other guards that we've seen. He simply has a
greater volume of touches he handles. Them are more rebounds
the ball more, there's more shots to rebound, more possessions,
more passes, more shots, more overall ball dominance, which they
call us high usage rate in the n b A.

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And you kind of create this fictitious narrative that somehow
he statistically better than anybody over the past forty years
in the NBA, and that's not accurate. It doesn't mean
he's not a great player, a great a great competitor.
It just means don't use stats as your argument, because
you will lose based upon the fact that stats are
skewed because of how the game is played. All Right, um,

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I want to talk about how big the issues really
are how big their issues really are with the Warriors.
We saw Houston last night. They beat the l A
Lakers and InCred The Andre Igram story was remarkable, I
mean really remarkable. But is Houston actually the favorite in

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everybody who was hurt is back healthy, with the exception
of Lucrashardon bat mute. Chris Mannix is an NBA insider
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champion and All Star Karen Butler here on Fox Sports
Radio Max. Let's let's start with the debacle with the

(14:23):
Warriors getting blown out by the Jazz. And I know
they still don't have staff and they haven't been playing
all of their starters starters minutes, but it is getting
to be a little bit kind of Is it in
time to be nervous a little bit about the Warriors
in the playoffs? Yeah, I don't know what to make it,
but really I will say that it's it's it's fortunate

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that the most likely scenario is that they don't play
Oklahoma City in the first round, because I think that
would have been the series that could have been enormously
problematic if they're playing this way and they're playing without
Steph Curry, not just because of the obvious matchup to
Quinn Cook Russell Westbrook. But you know, Kevin Durant would
have to shoulder a bigger load offensively with Curry out.

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Going back to Oklahoma City, what's his mental mindset in
and that type of setting the intensity of Oklahoma City,
which has to be playing with kind of a palpable
desperation right now, knowing what's at stake for maybe the
future of this team. Um, I think they can right
the ship in the first round with another matchup in
front of them, But if they were playing Oklahoma seeing

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that first round, I would have real concerned about their
ability to win that series. What's your best guests went,
Steff returns, Well, I think second round. And this is
a lot of talking to people around that team and
guest work on that team, and you know, understanding stuff
a little bit. You know, they're they're they're optimistic that

(15:52):
that second round is doable. Now, what what does he
look like when he comes back? I mean that remains
to be seen. I mean it's like you know, when
when people say you see a timeline on this stuff,
they assumed that that means when a guy is going
to be out in the court looking like his former self,
that's that's not the case at all, as you know,
I mean, it's it's it's when the guy can resume
basketball activities. From there, it's all about how his body

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responds to practice and recovery. So we'll see what he
looks like. But I think the second round is a
realistic timeline for step. All right, let's get to how
the playoffs appeared to be lining up. What what do
the what do the Rockets want to have happened tonight? What?
What who wins that benefits the Rockets the most? You know,
I'd rather play Denver Um. You know, I know the

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Nuggets are surging at the moment and your kids is
a problem. But you know that is an abysmal defensive team.
So you're you're you're asking a team that doesn't defend
and try to outscore a team that is a great
scoring team. Mike D'Antoni coach, team, I just don't see it.
The Timberwolves are you know, with Butler back, it's this

(16:57):
is way too high as ceiling there now. Now, they
could get broomed just easily as the uh as the
Nuggets could. But when you're Houston, you're probably looking at
the least talented team, the least experienced team, maybe the
lesser coach team in that situation. On paper, Um, you
know that's the Denver Nuggets. Nuggets. I wouldn't surprise if
they got in because I would imagine there are some

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jobs on the line in a game like like tonight.
But um, I'd rather play them in the first round.
From was Houston, Chris Mannox joining us from Yahoo Sports
and Fox Sports Radio. Check out his show on weekends
on Sunday at twelve o'clock Eastern time on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
let's go to the East. The Calves struggled and struggled

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and struggle, and then Lebron over the last month has
looked like vintage Lebron for the most part, especially at
the offensive end. People haven't paid attention to the fact
that he does as you have. You point out taking
some defensive possessions off and there are there are you know,
half the teams the league are trying to lose. That said,
I I'm just struggling to find another team to lock into.
Wizards look better last night, but they haven't consistently looked

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better since John Walla's return. If not the Calves, then
who Yeah, I'm still buying into the Raptors and have
been for a while. Um when they struggled over the
last month or so, when they had that stretch of
games where they went like three and four or four
and five, whatever it was, the problems they were dealing

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with were were defensive problems. And defense is a lot
a lot easier for the Raptors, who have traditionally been
a top flight defensive team, to clean up if they
were having offensive issues. If it was you know, we're
going back at Marja Rosen and Kyle Lowry, we're playing
you know, alternative shot there, I would have said that

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that's the team to be really concerned with, because we
know that that type of offensive system fails in the playoffs.
That they weren't dealing with that during that stretch, it
was given up a whole bunch of points. I think
the defense, you know, the first couple of rounds, is
gonna be easier for them to clean up than some
offensive issues we're gonna be and and look, if you
look at Eveland, one one big issue I have is
kind of their decision to effectively say we're going to

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try to outscore you in the playoffs, but by putting
Jeff Green and Kevin Love together on the front line,
they're more or less saying, screw it, you know, we're
gonna try to win one ten every single night. I
can't remember a team that did that, at least not
at a really high level. Now it's it's if they
were in the Western Conference to say, wow, they might

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get beat in the first round. Not the case in
the East. But you just if you're just gonna try
to outscore teams in the postseason, it just very rarely works,
and I can't see it working this time around, no
matter how great Lebron is. Um. You you talked a
little bit about Oklahoma City, and I look at Russell
Westbrook and look the averaging a triple double for a

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second straight year, which is a distinct possibility, especially against
the Grizzlies. All he needs a sixteen Ben patting the
stats a little bit, Um, It's an amazing feat. But
how much of it is Russell Westbrook being awsome him?
And how much of it is looks. Stats are skewed
because there's such a much higher volume of possessions considering
the way in which basketball has played. I mean, I

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hate to the hedge, but It is a little bit
of both. I mean down the stretch, as you said,
some of the stat padding that that he does both
at the end of games at the end of the season. Um,
you know that plays a pretty significant role. But man,
he you know, he's awesome, Like he really is awesome
out there on the floor. The problem Westbrook has is that,

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you know, this team hasn't really improved despite all the
the the upgrades they've made this past uh, this this
past offseason. There they're gonna finish with right around the
same number of wins and and kind of the same
type of team and enter the postseason, which you know
I've sat for a while now, Doug. This is the
most important postseason of Russell Westbrook's career. It's more important

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than what happened in twelve. It's more important than what
happened a couple of years ago against Golden State. If
they flame out in the first round, the chances that
George Walks ratchets up exponentially, and then what is the
Oklahoma City for the next five years the prime of
Russell's career. There probably a team that claused their way
into the playoffs, maybe squeeze into the second round every year.

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If they win a couple of rounds, Paul George might
be more likely to stay, and all of a sudden,
your team it's adding on to a potential championship contender
every single year. So I can't imagine the stakes for
any player this postseason being higher than what they are
for Russell Westbrook. Last night, I thought it was Donovan
Mitchell wearing a sweatshirt that I think Adidas made Form
is brilliant about, you know, the definition of what a

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rookie is. And look, I've been on I don't know,
it's a little bit of a bandwagon all years saying
I think Ben Simmons has had the better year, is
the better all around player, but he's a red shirt rookie,
and I don't know. There is no uh first year
Player of the Year award or Newcomer of the Year
award like there is in some college basketball conferences. Instead,

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it's all called Rookie the Year, and Blake Griffins one
it even though he red shirted with injury his first tire.
Where do you come down on the debate, Well, it's
one of those debates that that that doesn't really consume
a lot of brain space for me, like it's it's
the NBA rule when I've kind of always kind of
nodded my head at it, I will say this what

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Mitchell said about him, And you know Mitchell better than
I do. I spent the time with him a couple
of weeks ago and did a podcast with him and
hung out with him for a couple of days. He's
a really intelligent kid, and like one of the things
he said was that I found interesting, uh the other night,
was he made the comparison to a student taking an
exam on June one and having a few week to
study versus an entire season to study for which one

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would be better prepared for that exam. He's an example,
of course, Ben Simmons having a whole year off to
prepare for this season. And he makes a valid point.
I mean, Ben C's Ben Simmons was more prepared for
this season in every possible way that Donovan Mitchell was.
So can he really be called a rookie? I mean
I I at this point, I'd be okay with the

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NBA changing the rule and saying it's got to be
your first year in the league now if you go overseas,
if you do what Dario Sarak did, you can still
be considered a rookie. But if you're on NBA roster,
regardless of the amount of minutes you played, uh, you
should that should be considered your Rookie of the Year.
For award purposes, yes, but based upon how like you

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you'd have to go and reset the award and based
on how the how it is the term now it
doesn't matter right, So now it should be Ben Simmons,
even if you feel like Donovan Mitchell is the only
true rookie is. Look, I'm a voter and I'm gonna
vote for Ben Simmons for the next couple of days.
I when I went out to Utah, one of the
things the reasons I went there, Doug, was because not

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every voter I think, knows what they're talking about. And
there have been some some biblically bad takes on Donovan
Mitchell the last couple of months, like, you know, like
he hasn't done it all season long. Will you know
that's dumb, Well, it's it's Rudy Gobert that's spearheaded this
effort well or this last you know, two months of play. Well,
that's true, but Gobert is the or Mitchell does. Um.
I just didn't think people were were understanding really the

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type of season now they are now, but over the
last couple of weeks, I don't think people are understanding
the type of season Mitchell was having. Um. But there's
no question in my mind. It was a tough debate
for a while. But you know, Ben Simmons, for all
he's done, plus what he's done the last couple of
weeks with Joel em beat out, I think that's really
cemented his place. UM. Last thing, how big of buye

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are you into the seventies six ers? I'm not because
I think if it's if it's Miami they play in
the first round, I think they get beat. Um not
can Gebb. I think they do get beat because I
think when you give a great coach one team to
focus on in the playoffs, UM, they're gonna exploit your weaknesses.
And for all of Ben simmons greatness, he has one

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enormous weakness, Marquel Folks huge weakness. I mean they've got
a limited number of perimeter players out there, and if
Joel embiad Is is limited or not able to play,
you know, certain games. Um, I think that's that that's
gonna be a probably Miami. You know, they just play hard, man,
I mean they play hard every single night there physical
they're left talents of the Philadelphia. But the game slows

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down a lot in the playoffs and it comes down
to offensive execution the playoffs. I think Miami can execute
better offense when Philly is right now and those weaknesses
the semi sixers are gonna get exploited. Chris man Act
from Yahoo Sports and Fox Sports Trader Do this is
gonna be awesome. Just keep your cell phone on because
you want to have you on as often as possible
now that you're under our wing. UM any any time

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you want to pop on, UM, we'd love to have
you on. The meantime, keep up the great work and
we'll hear you on Sunday. Appreciate it all right? Uh
that's the Chris Mannix joining us from Yahoo Sports. I
love people questioning um my my knowledge of point guards
and rebounding based upon our first segment of the show
in which I said, look, Russell Westbrook, rebounding is fine,
but hurt you. Hurt your transition game, hurt your field

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goal percentage, hurt your outnumbered breaks, and last five minutes
of the game, everybody rebounds. But what do I know?
I don't really know much about the position or this
this sport all that much, as opposed to guys on
Twitter are clearly know a ton more than I do.
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(27:55):
to tell you to guess, if I tell you to
guess what what is the topics that meeting? What do
you think it would be? Salary structure? Right? Um? So yeah,
Like so if you have a what's it? What's it called?
When you have the rundown? Is the rundown of the
media agenda? Yeah, you see an agenda, Like you know,
if it's twelve o'clock meeting, twelve to twelve oh five

(28:18):
is like meet and greet, you know how you doing?
Has your body? Twelve o five until twelve twenty nine
is salary structure and future discussions? Uh, twelve twelve nine
to twelve thirty is goodbye? Right, That's that's really what
it is. It's like, hey, we love you, we want

(28:40):
you to always be a cowboy, but you got to
take a pay cut. You're just not This is just
this is where we are. And Jerry Jones can even
do the It's not you it's me think, Look, this
is not we don't think any less of you as
a player. This is about salary structure and where you're
fit in our salary cap And this is our problem.
Your a problem, but your problem. But but our problem

(29:03):
becomes your problem because we gotta fit you in our
salary slot and scale. I tend to agree, and um
I also I don't love the idea that people have
found out that there's a meeting. Who has to do
that anymore? Who has to set up a meeting like
this doesn't have to be a showdown at the Okay Corral?

(29:23):
Like just getting your car and go over to DES's house,
das come in like announce like, hey man, don't you
just come into the come and text and come into
the facility, because now it feels like it's for show
and that I don't think that always ends. That usually
doesn't end that well because now it gives Dez a
chance to kind of lead up and get super emotional
and super you know, instead you just you want to

(29:46):
have a conversation. Here's where we are, knowing where we are?
Where are you mentally? Are you willing to pack take
a pay cut? Do you really want to leave Dallas?
Do you really want to leave Dallas? That's what this
kind of comes down to for me, and um, I

(30:07):
just I don't see any way in which he walks
out of that meeting as a cowboy with his salary
intact or a salary with making nearly the money that
he was making before he walked in. It's actually perfect
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say does in fact won't take a pay cut, so

(30:48):
he ends up getting cut by the Cowboys. Is Dez
one of those players that you think will go the
way of he's just washed up and we will never
see the desk that we once saw, or will he
take that as motivation and totally reassess who he is
as a player with whatever new team he signs with,
and he's back to being like a top five receiver

(31:10):
in the game for the next two or three seasons. Well,
I don't think he's ever going to be a top
five I just I don't think it's not like he's
he has some like secret dummyberry juice that he's gonna
drink and start bouncing off the walls the way he
used to Um. Like, look, do I think he could
change his body and change his game some and evolved? Yeah,
I kind of you know who you know who? Des

(31:32):
reminds me of. Um. There's there's an Iverson kind of quotient.
There's an Iverson comp to him, right, like Iverson just
he couldn't. He tried that one year, he tried to
pass the ball more on average, like seven assist a
game or something even more. But he could just never
be anything more than who he was. Like what Larry

(31:55):
Fitzgerald has done, the transformation in his game, there's a
reason most guys haven't been able to do that. It's
just hard mentally, you're just hardwired. Des Brian has been
hard wired to when I'm out wide, if I got
one on one, throw it up, I'll go get it.
And now you have a quarterback who's not They didn't
come up together. There's not the bond. I don't think

(32:17):
he's as good as Tony Romo to begin with, and
des Bryan isn't nearly what he used to be, and
so he's out there one on one and d said,
they're going like, man, you don't win nearly as much
as you did before. They threw it to him a
lot last year, A lot, a lot, a lot. Here's
here's what once you to do music, there's there's there's
an assumption from some in the media that des Bryant

(32:41):
wasn't targeted enough last year, right, that that boy they
need to get And I even heard Romo talking about, man,
they really need to work on getting the ball out
to Dez Bryant. And in comparison to some of the
best wide receivers in the league, you know, yeah, I
mean Mike ev has had more targets. He also had

(33:03):
more catches, two more catches, two more targets, had a
hundred and seventy more yards receiving. Like that's substantial, that's substantial.
De Marius Thomas played with clearly inferior quarterback play. He
had eight more targets, eight more targets, and he had

(33:23):
fourteen more catches. Adam Fieland had ten more targets, but
he had UH twenty two more receptions and he had
twelve D seventy six yards receiving as opposed to des
Brian only eight hundred and thirty eight yards receiving. So
I looked at the numbers just they don't lie there.

(33:46):
Golden Tad had a better year last year with fewer
targets than does Bryant. Travis Kelsey was a tight end
better year last year with fewer targets. There's dramatic drop
off in his production in comparison to his production in
the past, and there isn't a dramatic drop off in
terms of targets to him is in the past. So

(34:08):
I just I don't know. If I don't know, I
don't believe that Dez can be a number two or
a slot guy, right. I just don't think he has
the desire and maybe the aptitude to do it. Physical ability,
he should be able to be like an Kwan Bolden
as a blocker. He's incredibly strong, and I do think
that he's a more intelligent dude on the football field

(34:30):
than people would lead would lead you to believe. But
I do think there's some injury issues. He's never been
a great route runner, and he kind of is what
he is, which led Ivers into being out of the
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(35:59):
to point something out here. Um, before we bring in
Dan Buyer, Ryan Music, you wrote that tease right, that
Hall of Famer real and correct, that's future Hall of Famer,
future Hall of Famer real. Apologies. I just I don't
want to make sure like I want to make sure
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I mean he'll get one. But ray Allen got to
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(36:20):
are not exactly endearing to Kevin Garnett or Jon Rondo.
The real reason he left Boston bunch of stuff to
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by what he got, Doug. Today, we have got the game.
Real news, fake news, alright, real news are fake news.
Cubs first Basement Anthony Rizzo says a pulled muscle while

(36:40):
playing in the cold weather is the reason he was
placed on the ten day d L with a sore back. Um,
one more time, I'm sorry, Cubs first Basement, Anthony Rizzo,
A fake news that happened. Rizzo does have a sore back,
but he blames that at a hotel bet in Cincinnati,
saying that he slept bad during a recent road trip,

(37:03):
and uh, I would now sleep on the floor if
they went to the same hotel in Cincinnati again. So
a bad night's sleep cost Anthony Rizzo a sore back happen.
Don't know. I just have a tough time buying that
a major league team stays in the hotel with bad beds.
Maybe it's just maybe it was too soft. You know,
I like a nice firm bed. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

(37:26):
I have a difficult time with soft pillows as well
in hotels, pillows, pets and automobiles. For people who don't know,
that's all right, Uh yeah, that's that's a that's a
that's a weird one. Look, I've heard my back before, yawning, stretching,
you know, I get these get these knots in my back. Um,
and you can sleep wrong. I don't know if i'd

(37:46):
bad blame the bed. Sometimes you get cold air blown
in your back. Actually have a great story for this,
we'll get to it upcoming. Real news are fake news,
Doug after reports surface yesterday major League Baseball did a
complete one eighty and hasn't announced host for the All
Star Game, that real news are fake news. It is
fake news. That's because Commissioner Robert Manfred made it official today.

(38:10):
The l A Dodgers will host the game for the
first time in forty years. We found out yesterday when
you were gone, Doug, that John Ramos went to the
nineteen eighty All Star Game, or as we found out,
showed up at the ballpark to day before the All
Star Game. It didn't actually go to the game. So
what do you mean you had the dates? Ron, No,
they had batting practice and for the fans to show

(38:31):
up before the actual All Star John said, like I went.
That's better. Although nineteen eighty you couldn't see all the
teams play, like all start getting baseball. Now you get
to see all these guys play. Plus they have interarly
games all the time, so it's not nearly as cool
by the way d C has it this year. Cleveland
gets it next year for the sixth time, the most
of any MLB city. Those were announced a while back.
Real news, fake news. Warriors forward Kevin Durant will reportedly

(38:55):
opt out of his contract with the team this summer. Uh,
that is real news. They're real and they're spectacle. Yeah.
The ESPN reports says that Durant plans and getting a
new deal from the team just for more money. Currently
set to make twenty six point two million dollars next season. Um. Yeah,
so essentially he took up, he took a little bit

(39:17):
of a hit, He took a little of the the haircut
ten tamion dollars. They could resign Sean Livingston and Andrea Goodalad.
This is two years ago. This is all planned and
there's three possible contract extensions, all will keep him with
the Warriors. The question is for how much money and
how much does it limit them long term? Real news
are fake news? Doug that an NFL schedule will be
released today, That is fake news there. It's a trick

(39:44):
question because it's not the NFL regular season schedule. However,
the NFL preseason schedule foren will be unveiled at five
o'clock Eastern times. Sixty five games and all including the
Hall of Fame game featuring the Ravens and Bears to
kick off the preseason Ravens and Bears. Yes, and you've
got the Ray Lewis bryaner Locker sort of combo. And

(40:09):
I had a great talk with ray Lewis yesterday off air,
Like I just I love what what he's trying to do,
how he's trying to mentor, and I think so oftentimes
we in the media won't let guys past go even
when their past is gone. It's really a good look
for Ray and a bad look for others. Finally, Doug,
real news are fake news. These Stanley Cup Playoffs begin tonight.

(40:34):
They're real and the Spectacle three games on the schedule,
while that the Jets Penguins home to the Flyers, and
the l A King's in Vegas to take on those
Golden Knights. This is game time on the Doug godlib
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(40:54):
I'm throwing out the first pitch. I'll tell you why
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last time I threw out a first pitch. Plus, there's

(41:16):
one thing we're gonna have to stop doing with NFL quarterbacks.
The NFL is already doing it. We'll discuss what next
on The Doug Godlip Show Wouf Doug god Leave Show,
Fox Sports Radio m H. So, last time I threw

(41:38):
out at a first pitch for almost it was the
Angel Game and at the time I was living in Connecticut.
I flew out to do uh uh, flew out to
do some sort of appearance in California and in l
A and I stayed. Um. I stayed in I guess
a boutique hotel in Hollywood, and it was, um, I

(42:03):
have Everyone has a I don't know if you guys
have a quirky body, right, Like my wife she if
she if she gets uh, she drinks soda on an airplane.
This is I'm probably sharing too much, but whatever, she
drinks soda on the airplane. She claims that between the

(42:24):
bubbles and the air pressure, she can get like stomach pains,
like gas stomach pains, not not like she's you know, ripped,
ripping big ones are in. I'm not not that kind
of gas, like just like stomach pains. And I've even
heard of belch And she's like, no, it's it's being
on an airplane. It does that to me, Like really,
I've never heard of that before. So we all have

(42:44):
like quirky bodies like Rama's. Do you have a quirky
body anyways? Your wife have a quirky body anyway? Um,
I do get indigestion more than I probably should. Is
that what you mean? Like like that might be sharing
just there? No, I mean there's some people who, um,
you know a certain food that doesn't tear other people up,

(43:07):
tears them up or spicy. Yeah, I'm not a salsa guy,
even though I'm Latino, never been really a salsa person.
French onion soup and raisin brand or the two for me,
French onion soup and raisin brand. Uh music, Do you
have anything quirky with your body? You're really young, so
it doesn't doesn't really your body hasn't started to fight

(43:27):
back against you yet. Yeah, not really. The only thing
I can think of is I really love Brussels sprouts,
but they tend to give me a bit of I
guess I'm taking this all to gas and it's not
all about gas. Um Okay. So I have this thing
like when whether it's it's stress related or sleep related,
like I will get knots in my back And a

(43:48):
matter of fact, when I played basketball in college, Uh,
they tried everything, and they even tried cortisone injections into
the knots because they couldn't get them out. And so
I'm I fly to So it's like one of the
quirky things about my body is that I get these.
I mean like really like, um, it feels like there's
a little one of those little mini bouncing balls whatever,

(44:10):
like you you could buy it like a drug store.
You buy a grocery store for your kids, you know,
a little super Bowls super Bowls, the Circle. It feels
like there's those underneath my skin sometimes, like there's an
alien growing and they're like, wow, what is that? And
it gets to be almost like a high welt type deal,
but it's really just knots. And it's brought on by
lack of sleep, stress, probably whatever I'm eating or not

(44:31):
eating or whatever. And so I fly out to fly
across country. I land them in um West Hollywood. I
get done doing a show and I go and I
fall asleep at the hotel. It's like, you know, middle
of the afternoon is hot, so I crank up the
A C. And it's blowing cold air on my back

(44:52):
and um, I wake up and like everything is locked up,
I mean every my neck, my back ever. And the
next day I'm hitching at I'm throwing, not pitching. I'm
throwing out the first pitch at the Angel game and
I can't lift my arm up above like not even
parallel to my shoulder, much much lower than that. So

(45:13):
I actually, you know, I like go through I think
like the phone book at the time. I call the
front desk, like, hey, do you have a can I
get a massage? I've never done this in my life.
I've gotten sports massage before, but never been on the
road and be like, hey, can I get a massage?
And it's in Hollywood, So I'm like, no, not that
kind of massage, Like I need a real massage. So
a lady comes, I have somebody musus comes over. It

(45:34):
gives me a massage and it's better. And I go
to sleep that night and the air again still blowing
down on my back because of where the air conditioning
unit was located. And I wake up and I'm locked
up again. And so before the Angel game, my dad
had a basketball practice and one of his parents was
is a chiropractor, so he actually like cracked my back

(45:54):
and my neck like on a metal bench and then
I go over today and I am stadium, and luckily
I was loosened up enough to where I could get
the first pitch out. So when I hear it was
it was Chris Bryant, his back locked up after sleeping
in a hotel room bed, I think there's a possible Anthony.
It is Anthony Rizzo. That's right. I knew was one

(46:15):
of the two cups, one two young cups. When I
hear Anthony Rizzo did that, and he like blames the
hotel room, I'd like to say, I'm not gonna it's
It might not be the bed, it might be the
air conditioning. Like I don't know if you guys do this.
When I get to a hotel room, I wanted to
be um, like just to the point of where I
would get frostbite, except one degree warmer, Like that's exactly

(46:38):
there's frost on the window, and like if you have
a comfortable bed with really nice sheets, like I want
to crawl into the bed and I want to see
my own breath. Hot room or cold room? Which do
you prefer, Ramas, I like a cold room, Doug, Yeah,
me too. It's expensive to keep that sucker cold, but
you know if it's a hotel room, it's not your expense, right,
That's correct. Uh, there's something we're gonna have to start

(47:02):
doing in um in evaluating quarterbacks that the NFL has
already done. And I think it's really important to point
this out. I do understand that race plays a part
in some of our biases in our regular life. I
struggle with this because I was raising a sports family,
and in a sports family, like, look, if if you're

(47:23):
a racist, you're you're probably not going to survive very
long in terms of functioning within the confines of a basketball, football,
or baseball or soccer team. You're just not I'm not
saying that there are no racists in sports, but I'm
saying it's got to be really really taxing because sports
are generally diverse, and I grew up in a really

(47:44):
it's it's We talked about this yesterday on the Dan
Patrick Show, Guys, where I said, it's hard for me
to relate. Like there's snow in Chicago on what would
have been opening Dane Wrigley and I look outside my window,
our window here in southern California, it's beautiful and sunny.
It's just hard to relate to that, right, It's the
same thing. I think, for the most part, in California,
it's hard to relate to racism because we have such

(48:05):
a multinational culture here, multi racial culture, like everybody seems
to be mixed with something in southern California. And then
you combine the fact that I've been in around athletics
my entire life, It's hard for me to understand how
anybody could see somebody as inferior them or because of race.
I just id I honestly struggle with that. So I

(48:28):
bring that up because I was I was listening to
people talk about Josh Rosen, and what do we talk
about with Josh Rosen? His personality, things off the football field, right,
things about the football field, his personality, his quirks, his

(48:48):
all this other stuff. You know, Is he likable? Is
he too obtuse? Is he warm? Is he friendly? I
think of I think of Johnny Manzel and his attempt
at a comeback, and the fact that we look at
Baker Mayfield and we wonder about Baker Mayfield if his ego,

(49:10):
of his personality he's too much like Johnny Manzel. And
then and then I I think of the conversation that
we have had in regards to a quarterback out of
the University of Louisville, and there is this discussion for
the last couple of months about race and how much

(49:33):
race plays into Well, we're talking about him playing wide
receiver because he's black. Is that what we're doing here?
And then and then I was, frankly, I started to
realize all of these different issues we talked about with Rosen,
we talk about with Baker Mayfield and how it relates
to Johnny Manzel. And we talk frankly about all of

(49:57):
these quarterbacks. Some of them are skill related, many of
those issues have nothing to do with their actual football skill,
instead their aptitude, their acumen, all of this stuff, and
you realize that whether it's Lamar Jackson or Josh Rosen
or Baker Mayfield, the NFL is simply viewing them as people,

(50:22):
and we carry in as fans, our own biases and
our own perspective that somehow had has to do with race,
Whereas I honestly believe that, like, look, we're talking about
Baker Mayfield getting arrested for underage drinking, and people have
said that other people's off the field issues are only

(50:43):
brought up because of race, Like I mean, Jamis Winston
had a rape charge on him that he was never
charged with. That we discussed at nauseum, and he was
still selected number one overall. Cam Newton had his own
off the field issue. I think in many ways the
NFL is way more over race than we ever give
them credit it, and I think as fans sometimes we
have to look at that. On the same level, the

(51:07):
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(51:30):
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(52:12):
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for taking time with this. There's a lot I want
to get into. Um. There's some back and forth with
you and some of the fortunate former Celtics. I want

(52:34):
to ask your thoughts on playing with Lebron James, the
winning championships, the Celtics and the heat. But let me there.
There's Lily, a lot of discussion up until I think
the start of this year, when you're finally like, look,
I'm out, I don't I don't want to come back.
How what was the closest you came to coming back
and playing the past couple of years. I wasn't that close.

(52:57):
I never really officially talked to anybody, and you know,
maybe visit a team. I know there was speculational teams
thinking that they wanted to bring me in. Other than that,
there was nothing real official. I I was actually you know,
wondering if somebody was going to like woo me to
get off the couch. Other than that, it was like

(53:18):
there was no like serious offers made. So I just
kind of went about my business. Uh, let's let's let's
start more at the beginning. What I think many people
miss about you is you had a unique upbringing, right
being being a military brat. Um, you moved place to
place to place, and I was always told kind of
basketball was your refuge in that. You know, Look, it's

(53:41):
it's hard when you're my kids have moved. It's hard
in terms of establishing relationships. How much of being a
military brat, uh, you know, being born on an Air
Force base and moving around, how much of that made
you drove you to basketball because it brought a sense
of normalcy. Well, it wasn't just basketball, because when you
grew up on a military base, you you, uh, you

(54:04):
play everything like you have the ability to. You know,
we all have a youth center that all the kids
have the option to use um and through the youth center,
you sign up for basketball, baseball, soccer, football, and every sport.
You know, when one the championship game ends, you know
you crown and winner, and then the next sport may

(54:24):
start two weeks a week, two weeks later. So you know,
you would be friended or paired with your teams or
your friends on certain teams and sometimes you play against
them in different sports. So I had the availability to
play everything. And that's what I always try to teach
my kids too, especially when they're at young ages, to
allow their muscles to develop so they can um let's

(54:46):
I'll ultimately let the sport choose them. So, you know,
from me being the military, you know, sports in general
was my refuse because I knew that if I competed,
you know what kid is not like on to play
ground that wins, you know, So for me, I just
went out there and you compete, and he wanted and

(55:06):
you know, I wanted the kid who got picked last
at anything. Um, Jim Calhoun is is somebody that I
know helped helped form you as a basketball perennial All start,
ten time NBA All Star, and a surefire Hall of Famer. Um,
but he had it kind of. I always was marveled
at the fact that kind of like I played Freddie
Sutton at Oaklahoma State and and he would do some

(55:28):
similar things where he wouldn't coach everybody the same. He
understood how to get more out of certain players, and
he was somebody who kind of privately challenged you, didn't
he Yeah, I mean he privately did it, and he
publicly did it, you know, nothing embarrassing, but um, you
know in front of the guys, it's one thing too

(55:48):
to learn how to coach everybody, uh singularly, but you
got to know how to coach the group as a whole.
And there's got to be accountability to everybody. And he
did a great job of that. So we all knew
that we were held to the same any standards. But
he didn't have to be raped me or yell at me,
or you know, doing anything crazy because he knew how
to motivate me. He knew I wanted to be great.

(56:09):
He knew I wanted to do more, and so he
would always know how to push my buttons a small
little ways. And ultimately that is, you know, great coaching
for me, because then the my teammate he had to
yell at a little bit and I got him and
they you know, you just used to dealing with different
personalities different ways. But when we screwed up as a team,

(56:30):
we all had to run. It wasn't like, you know,
he gave me special considerations because I was the lead
scorer of the team. Yeah. I think that's the one
thing I've always I found remarkable about your career and
how it's contextualized now, is I think people remember because
the shot you hit in Miami, because of all the
shots you hit in Boston. I do think that people,

(56:50):
and you tell me if I'm wrong. I do think
people seem to forget that you were a dominant scorer
in Milwaukee with a really good team in Seattle, me
average twenty six and a half a game UM and
and lead the league in scoring when you were when
you were in Seattle, like because you you you changed
your roles later in your career to win championships and

(57:14):
became more of a defender and shooter instead of you know,
an all around score Sometimes it has diminished a little bit.
The all around scoring game that you had is that?
Is that a fair assumption? Nowadays we look at in
front of us, like you see, you know the kids
now that talk about who the best players of all

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times are because you forget who did it back in
the day, who did it ten years ago, who did
it twenty years ago? And the conversation is always going
to change. And you know, when I lived in Seattle,
my last the last like thirty games this season, I
was averaging somewhere around twenty eight points the game. And
then I got hurt and I was in and out

(57:54):
a couple of games, and it went down to so
I was scoring in different ways, and the kids, you know,
I was, You're you're playing on the West coast, so
when the game is on the West coast, people are
deep into sleep. You know, my mom was on the
East Coast and she barely finished a lot of games,
but she stayed up for most of them. So until
I get to Boston, you know, I'm not on primetime

(58:16):
TV Boston. All of a sudden, I've become this well
known guy. For some people, they thought I just was
drafted because he's like he just came out of nowhere.
But I've been in the NBA up at this point
for twelve years and so, you know, people for the
most part, forget that. So once I got the Boston
in order for me to win, and you know, myself,
Paul and Kevin, we knew that we had scored a

(58:39):
bunch of points, we had made it all Star teams,
and we were making great money. But in norder for
us to win, we had to restructure how we thought
about the game of basketball, and we had to allow
this help. So we had to win on the team's
terms and not on the terms of us as the individual.
And think about I I gotta score. I still got
to score the most points. And that's the issue that
you see with a lot of guys when they're subforming

(59:01):
these super teams. Are they willing to sacrifice and take
less so they can win more? Okay, So so take
me back to that. That's you know, it's it's two
thousand seven, and uh, you came off an incredible season, right.
You broke Dennis Scott's um ten year old record for
three point field goals made in the season. Then you
have you have ankle surgery and you get you get

(59:21):
traded to the Boston Celtics. They acquire you to go
with Pierce and Kevin Garnett. Um. Well, when you first
walked into the locker room for training camp the next year,
what was it like? You know, everybody was excited. Training
camp started in a row that that year, which was

(59:41):
probably one of the best things for us. UM. I
think that every team should go away from training camp
because it gets us out of our local market distractions.
You know, if I stayed home during training camp, I'm
gonna tymply want to go home and see my family
on a day that I have volfer in between practices

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or whatever it may be. But we were in Rome.
We couldn't do that, so we we had to learn
each other quickly. So it was great that the NBA
had us going wrong to play against the raptors in
the room, so we had you know, the time the
downtime we were in the hotel, we were sitting outside,
we couldn't sleep, we were walking through the city like
we were doing so much. That allowed us to kind

(01:00:23):
of catch up on time. Law so we can get
on the same page. And you know, so everybody knew
that they had a particular skill set that could help
the team. And uh, those days away from the distraction
and being and the and you know what, we come
home to the media circuits. We were great or in

(01:00:44):
Rome and getting acquainted with each other. Doug Out Show,
Fox Sports Trader. The book is from outside my journey
through life and the game that I love. The author
is the great Ray All, and he's kind enough to
spend some time of this year on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
you write about that trip and you talk about the
fact that KG didn't like you dribbling, that Kg's personality

(01:01:05):
was a little bit prickly, and that he always kind
of wanted to want up people, even you know, demanding
that that he paid tabs because he tipped better. Um,
what what do you remember distinctly about trying to understand
his personality and how to fit in with that team. Well,
it's I think early when we got together. Um, you

(01:01:26):
gotta remember me being in the Seattle locker room and
him being Minnesota. We basically we're the alpha dog in
the locker room and we're the ones that you know,
speak during the huddles were the ones that you know,
make decisions or help to coach, and you know, do
so many different things. So you're used to telling young people,
you know, Okay, that's what we need to do, and everybody,

(01:01:47):
we need to come play tonight, and you know, everybody
needs to bring their game. Like now you're you're in
the locker room with with with three alpha dogs, and
you're still used to your same protocols and how you
were because you had young players. So now we have
to figure out how to uh adjust and get along
with each other where you respect each other's face. And

(01:02:08):
it was that incident that I talked about my book
where I was dribbling and he didn't want me to dribble,
you know, and it was almost like he was like
telling me, you're not you know, you can't dribble in
the locker room. And I was like, well, damn dude,
I'm I've been. This is how I prepare, you do,
how you do when I do, I do. And what
I learned quickly is the compromises that have to be

(01:02:30):
made um in order to get to that that same
page level. You know, if you don't make those compromises,
if I sit here and we're just having this tissing
contest and then we're in for a long year and
then it explodes. And we see that a lot of
around professional sports, because egos are are willing to go away.
That's what was for us. We learned that it's there's

(01:02:52):
no ego. We have ego to help this team win,
and you know, we do less and that's going to
help the team more. And that that was those small
little less to teach people and even players in this
league today, like stign up with a team and and
and you know, to bring a new player in it's
an all star liked, be ready to sacrifice more than
you ever did so that player can do more for
you and help you win. But but Ray, you you

(01:03:15):
know like that, like look you as a as a
grown up, as somebody who won championships. You're speaking the
absolute truth. But the other the part to it that
so many of these guys don't really understand is like
they've always been the star. Especially now how we create
these au teams where you know, I've always been the guy.
And if I'm not the guy, I go to a
team where I am the guy. And if I go
to college I'm only going to go to college for

(01:03:36):
a year to which I can be the guy. And
then you go to an NBA team and uh, though
you're not ready to be the guy. You only want
to go to an NBA team where you're So it's
like it sounds everyone says like I want to win,
but are you willing to sacrifice, you know, like you did,
like averaging ten less points a game to win a championship.
There are not a lot of people that are willing.

(01:03:56):
They are like, yeah, I want to win a championship,
but I I want to still play my game. I
want to still get my shots, to get my touches,
get my minutes. Like it sounds really good. But the
user or what Chris Paul is doing this year, that's
the exception. The norm is guys think they can still
be them, only just add their superpowers to the superpowers
of others. Yeah, and to your point, you know, you

(01:04:18):
look at the transfers in college, you know, from schools
because things didn't go their way. It's like the parents
are letting their kids off the hook. And that's where
starting because there's this entitlement. The kids think that the
coach didn't play me enough, or I just didn't like
the way things win, so I want to transfer. And
that behavior starts with the parents at home, and then

(01:04:41):
it grows and it continues all the way if that
kid is fortunate enough to make it to the NBA.
But the one thing I will say is, yeah, you're right,
But if you're not willing to sacrifice, then you'll never
win anything. That's what winning is all about. Winning is
your ability to be a part of a team. And
went on the team's terms, like yeah, you you'll make
the All Star team and yeah you'll score points. But

(01:05:04):
what at the end of the day do you want
to do? You want to retire from the game of
basketball and never have felt what it feels like to
hoist that trophy up. Because every player that's played in
in any sport watches every championship game in every sport
and you admire, you envy you, you you you're jealous
of that team that's winning because you you know, you

(01:05:27):
want that feeling. But you have to get out of
your own way, like you have to use your talents
for the good of the team and not for the
good of your individual skill set. Like it's not about
winning the championship is not about making the All Star team.
It's not about making more money. It's about you doing
your job for that particular team. And then when you win,

(01:05:47):
then you have that discussion. But while you're there, you
have to figure out what you need to help that
team out. And if you can do that, then you'll
put yourself on course on track to win. But for
the most part, you'll you'll see why guys ultimately don't
win because they're not willing to sacrifice. Um, why did
it end so poorly with you and Rondo and and

(01:06:08):
and that crew? Um, well, Doug, I I signed a
contract with another team once I knew, um, you know,
as I was having conversations with the organization and they
weren't you know, you know, moving in the direction that
I had hoped that we will move in and to

(01:06:28):
be successful, then it was time for me to move on.
And I knew it, and um, you know, I had
a conversation you know with uh, with Danny Ainge, and
I said, you know, there's certain things that you know,
we need to improve on, you know, around our offense,
you know specifically, and uh, you know, he was like,
I I agree with you. I wish I could disagree

(01:06:50):
with you, but I agree with you, and I'll take it,
you know, back to the coach and see what he says.
And then what came back was I need just like
I just said, and it worked against me. He said,
you need to do what we need you to do
as a team if you want to be a part
of this. If not, that you need to move on.
So that was my Those were my marching papers because
at the end of the day, if you're not gonna

(01:07:12):
I want to win two, but I see the things
that we need to improve on and if we're not,
if you're not gonna address those so we can prove them,
then you know you've you've made my decision for me,
right because because the way in which it's it's painted,
it's painted that you chose to leave a championship team.
But but the truth is that you guys were aging.
They had they had started to bring you off the bench,

(01:07:33):
they had changed your role and um and and so
so it's it's not like you guys had just come
off a championship and you decided to leave and go
to the heat. There was a lot of other kind
of um ancillary issues that went with the decision more
so than just I want to leave this team and
I'll go to a competitive, competing team. Fair. No, I'm

(01:07:53):
I'm I'm New England through and through. You know I
still live in Connecticut. You know that was my home.
I didn't want to go any where, and I think
that played against me. So when it came time to
negotiate contract, I was the guy that they left the
least amount for so a lot of time I get
ready to go or to negotiate, you know, there's there's

(01:08:14):
little to no room wiggle room whatsoever. So once you know,
based on all the conversations about the future team and
then contractually you the writing is on the wall. Okay,
so my tenure is up as the Boston Celtics. Time
for me to move on. So once I move on,
now I have to figure out where I'm moving on to.
That's how the process worked. So my choices were the Clippers,

(01:08:39):
the Miami Heat, minnesotaa Wolds in the Memphis Grizzlies. Those
are the four teams that we're interested in my services.
In that same breath, the Clippers then just signed Jamal Crawford,
so then I had I was down to three and
this is how fast free agency works. On June one,
team started contacting you and telling you, hey, we love

(01:08:59):
to have you come in and visit. We'd love to
have you on our team. And that's what we can do. Now.
By June July three, you can start signing contract. So
as guys are signing contract, I got three teams now
that are telling me they're interested in me that I
have to figure out, you know, what's going to be
the best situation for me. So that's how you ultimately
end up deciding because free agent happened so fast and

(01:09:20):
once ties were basically severed between the team that I
was hoping now I was going to stay with, and
you can figure what's the best option forward? So you
play with Miami Heat, with Miami Heat and with Lebron James.
What was what's the give me the difference in locker
room tone, in leadership style, in you know, the composition

(01:09:42):
the Big Three? How how was it in Miami as
opposed to how it was in Boston. Well, I mean
you see the same similarities and and you know, routines
and habits, guys getting in and doing what they need
to do with the consistencies um the as long as
we were in Boston, we had a lot more prosper uh. So, UM,

(01:10:10):
I think I think it was tougher for spoilstra in
um in Miami because you've got Mike Miller like to
play at all those guys. You know, you know, there's
no point h throughout the last couple of years. UM.

(01:10:32):
So you see those are on the same similarities between
you know, all those you know, both teams that I
played on and uh, you know, same thing, just small
little uh philosophical differences defensively different words, but you know,
still the same stuff. The shot you hit against the Spurs.
I mean, like again, like there's a lot of things

(01:10:53):
you accomplished. I mean you you won a gold medal.
You know, you won two NBA championships with you know,
one with the Boston Celtics, one of the two most
iconic franchises in the sport. But you have one of
arguably the top ten moments maybe in the history of
the NBA. UM. I know you practiced that shot probably

(01:11:15):
ten thousand times, and that you are somebody who people
emulate in that you would lay on the floor and
get up and run back to three point line. You
knew exactly where you're supposed to be. But what do
you What are your recollections of that shot? Game six
NBA Finals. My recollection is really just I thank god

(01:11:36):
that you know, I'm on the right side of this
whole conversation as opposed that we say or talk about
how I didn't make it, and you know, my life
has been held since then, and I can't go anywhere,
my kids can't go anywhere. I'm glad I'm not having
that conversation, of course, But what I do think about
is the reason that we're not having that conversations because

(01:11:57):
I was afraid of that, you know, my whole rear.
You know, once I started playing deep in the playoffs,
I was sold like afraid of being a guy that
let his team down and the guy that people are
talking about, you know, the reason why the team lost,
you know, turning the ball over mission a free throw.
So I would going to the gym, you know, and

(01:12:20):
just kind of do everything possible to to get my
body prepared. Like I was obsessive. You know, I came
to into lifting my legs. I need to have to
lifting my legs, and then given time, I need to
make sure that I pushed my body into different places,
you know, so I can rely on it. You know,
the fourth quarter is winning this winning time, And like

(01:12:43):
I put myself up against any anybody in the fourth
quarter because I knew that my body was gonna stand up,
you know, even when everybody else was getting tired. The
game war on there, the fatigue was setting in, but
I was training myself for those fourth quarter moments all
the running I've done, you know, whenever I traveled throughout
the year, I would you know, leave the hotel, go
to the health club, or run in the cities. When

(01:13:04):
I got in, I would bring my bike with me
at times and I'd ride through the city. Like I
always believe I was doing things that other people weren't doing,
because when that time came in the fourth quarter, I
was gonna be able to stand up and and endure
longer than everybody else was going to be able to,
uh last thing. Um, Michael or Lebron. You obviously played

(01:13:28):
against Michael. You played with Lebron, And I know they're different,
and I know it's a it's an impossible it's it's
an impossible comparison to those of us who know and
love ball, because they're two completely different players. But it's
still the debate that maybe only you can settle Michael
or Lebron pick one. Yeah, yeah, because I certainly has

(01:13:48):
spanned the the decades, uh and and played against most
of them. Um, what what I will say is the
generations Know I said this a little earlier, like you know,
we're nostalgic about the people that helped grow us up,
and you know, now the kids are growing up, and
you know, there's questions like how good was Michael Jordans,

(01:14:11):
Like you know, fifteen years ago, that was never a
question because these people that were growing up understood and
they've seen him real time. You know, they've seen him
in games and was just highlights. Everybody picked out the
good stuff. But you could see highlighting this stuff all
the time. Uh, Lebron is he'll go down as you know,
the most dominant player in his generation. But what I've seen,

(01:14:33):
you know, I the eye says value. You know, Lebron
is an incredible player to stop he dominant, But what
I've seen in MJ was MJ did not have a
weakness at all. Like all the players that played against him.
We tried to do whatever we can and Nick tried
to beat him up Uh, you try to keep the
ball out of his hand a lot of times, but

(01:14:53):
whenever he got it, it was incredible, what the things
that he could do with it. And you know, I
you know me personally, you know I I say MJ
is is the best of all times. Um. And you
know the game has changed. Is not about statistics, UM,
It's just about the when you look at the player,
what they are capable of doing on the floor. You know,

(01:15:15):
the from the three point line to mid range to
post up two three throws to the defensive end, like
you just you kind of throw all that into play.
And you know, I think you know MJ was hands down, uh,
leaps above everybody else in the league. Ray Allen, the
new book is My Journey through Life and the Game
that I Love. It's available on Amazon. One of the

(01:15:36):
all time grades when two NBA championships, a gold medal,
and the surefire Hall of Famer. Ray, I'm I'm so
happy that you found happiness in retirement and then you're
letting other people read about your your basketball life and
your journey. Thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio, Doug,
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Brook breaking out, and Colorado. Yeah, the benches cleared between
the Rockies and Padres and that's not the only action
going on in the MLB. By the way, the Rockies
end up leading that game by a score of five

(01:16:21):
to nothing. Nolan Arronado charging the mound after he was
plunked in the game. He was ejected, but Colorado up
five nothing in the fourth. Other games in progress, the
Brave Southern Nationals tied up in the ninth that I'm
Att Adams homer. Then both teams scored a run in
the eleventh inning. Now on the top of the twelfth,
Atlanta on top of the Nationals five to three. Bottom
of the ninth inning, the Twins have blown an eight

(01:16:43):
one lead on the Astros. They're knotted up at eight
in the bottom of the ninth inning, while the Brewers
beat the Cardinals today by account of three to two.
Just across the street from Target Field in Minneapolis. Tonight
it's the Timberwolves and Nuggets eight o'clock Eastern Town winner
gets the final playoffs spot in the Best in All,
Eleven of the sixteen seeds in the NBA have yet
to be decided in the playoffs and Doug in soccer

(01:17:06):
on Fox Sports one Real Madrid in the Champions League
quarterfinal against Juventis just one on Ronaldo penalty kick. All
the soccer fans are going crazy on this the final
play on a controversial call, but Real Madrid wins for
three on aggravit. So there's your soccer. You got hockey tonight.
And so what happened? What was the plaguey he described
to play? Well, there looked to be a near goal

(01:17:29):
and a penalty was called on Juventis, allowing Real Madrids,
who have the penalty kick. Then the Juventis was so angry.
There goalie got a red card. So the backup goalie
then had to go into the game to try to
stop Ronaldo's kick, and Ronaldo put it in the upper
right corner, and so Real Madrid gets the win. They
were up three nil and then Real Madrid comes back

(01:17:51):
to tie it on Agger getting the second leg, but
Real Madrid ends up winning in the end. Interesting, interesting stuff.
Great sports day. I have had a great sports day
if you're in the Twin Cities right you day baseball
and tearograph fields not incredibly warm but still nice than
of course, you got the NBA game and hockey playoffs
getting in a way tonight. What's going on with the Warriors?
Nick Wright has some thoughts. I'll give you mine um

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Last night? They come limping in as the as the
second seed in the West to the NBA playoffs. Here's

(01:19:18):
first thing first, Nick Wright his thoughts on the Warriors
poor finish to the season. Were we a great team
or did we just have a once in a lifetime special,
transcendent offensive basketball player in Steph Curry? And he's made

(01:19:38):
us all look better? Because while Clay and Draymond are
going on that fourth straight year and you understand why
they might be a little fatigued, Kevin Durant is not.
While you might say, okay, when they lose Steph Curry,
they go from best team in the league to fourth
or fifth best team in the league, you shouldn't go
from best team in the league to seven and ten

(01:20:02):
with a negative point differential over this stretch of time.
Offense and defense you to where you are a below
average team. There is no excuse for the words being
this bad without Steph none. Okay, I mean, look, I
would like to think that all of these games truly

(01:20:24):
do better, but they don't. And as much as we
can point to these losses in the uneven performances against
playoff teams, by the way, right like the losses are
to all playoff teams, to San Antonio, Utah, Indie twice,
Utah another time, going back uh to last night, Minnesota
and Portland, and they simply beat up on the bottom

(01:20:47):
of the league. The fact is that they weren't playing
Ja Ja. There was times in which they weren't playing
Durant as well, and when Durant came back, they still
weren't playing all of their starters. Like I I'm not
gonna get caught up in it. I'm just not. Like,
Let's see how they play in the playoffs without without
Steph Curry. Let's see how they play in the playoffs

(01:21:08):
when Steph Curry comes back. And it's not necessarily just
how great is Steph Curry, but think about how highly
leveraged this team is that Steph Curry's replacement as Quinn Cook.
Quinn Cook is a great story. Quinn Cook is a
kid that win four years of DUCA, won a national championship.
But Quinn Cook was in the D League for a reason.
When you're replacing a two time m v P with
the D League player, that's a massive drop off. And

(01:21:30):
instead of moving guys up off the bench, the the
Sean Livingston's and Andrea Guddalas of the world, they've been
saving them for the playoffs and you'll see how how
good they actually are. I don't think it's just the
transcendent superstar that is Steph Curry. I think there's a
lot of other factors that play. Like most teams, when
you lose your best player, you move everybody up. That's

(01:21:51):
not what the Warriors chose to do. The Warriors kept
their rotations in tack and simply put Quinn Cook in,
put other backups in, so it's not screw up those rotations. Interesting, right,
Russell Westbrook on the verge of repeating history, Why it's
not that great? Next Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so I didn't actually understand. I mean, I guess I understood,

(01:22:14):
but I didn't understand the gravity of it. When it
was first told me because I wasn't totally watching the game.
I was watching this. Um um, I can't believe I'm
watching this. Uh, I'm watching this this baseball fight instead
of watching what happened in the Champions League. Let's bringing
Dan Buyer. Okay, this is Doug Gotlip Show Fox portrayer.

(01:22:36):
I want to get to Russell Westbrook and how he's
likely to average a triple double for the second straight season.
Why it's not nearly as big a thing as is
it's gonna be made out to be statistically, but okay,
so Real Madrid is facing right, okay, and um it's
they're actually down three? Do I have to say three nail?

(01:22:58):
Or do I say three nothing? Here? Here's I never
understood about soccer coverage on TV. Um, do you say
do you say foyer or foyer? Okay? You do say
for you? Do you use do you say it? I mean,
what what expressions that are? For? Next? Like do we
have to call it a pitch? I understand it's called
a pitch in Europe, but it's a soccer field here,

(01:23:19):
So why do we have to call it a pitch
when we're broadcasting soccer? Like it doesn't. Hockey is another one, Doug,
where I just hockey jerseys. I've heard a lot their sweaters.
They're sweaters. Mhm um, yeah, so I don't really anyway,
So it's a three nothing game or three nail game whatever,
like it's the same score, it doesn't it doesn't matter.

(01:23:40):
And uh, they're in stoppage time, so the game's effectively over.
Now everyone knows that it's based upon aggregates. So that's
which I think is obviously a terrible way to decide
a series. But you got to decide a series somehow,
and whether or not you advanced is based upon your
the combined scores of what the two games. Is that, right,

(01:24:02):
they can't just play three games like we do here,
like Europeans think there's so much smart in this, like
let's just play two games and play it on aggregate.
Here's the problem with aggregate. Right, So you're up three meal,
you won, the game, game is over, you get called
for a penalty that forces a penalty kick in stoppage time,
and the stoppage time like no one actually knows how
long stoppage time is. I mean, it's completely and I

(01:24:25):
know that there is some sort of formula where they
stop the clock and they don't stop the clock or
whatever they're it feels like it's about four minutes, or
feels like it's about five minutes, or feels like it's
about six minutes or whatever, but there doesn't. It can
be interminable, or it can be very very short in
stoppage time. What would have been a meaning completely meaningless

(01:24:47):
goal ends up allowing Real Madrid to suspiciously advance. How legitimate, Dan,
do you think the penalty was? Well, that's the question,
because the penalty was the biggest deal of all because
they were tied up at three. I thought it was
I didn't think that the penalty should be called at
that point, especially with so much on the line, because

(01:25:08):
they were tied up at three a piece on aggregate,
which by the way, road goals is the tiebreaker. So
it looked like Real Madrid was going to cruise because
they had three road goals, like Uventus would have had
to score three times in Madrid, which they ended up
doing today. But it was the penalty kick, so they
make this miraculous comeback and then, as you said, injury

(01:25:29):
time ends up playing out where they had five minutes
or six minutes, whatever it was, it ends up being
the final play of the game. I didn't think a
penalty should be called, but with Ronaldo win and then
with the backup goalie after the red card, yeah, it
was a foregone conclusion that Madrid. And we've seen this
type of thing in American sports before, and just see
you know the play Basically, a defender comes into lesson

(01:25:53):
offensive players trying to head the ball into the net
and a cross and the defensive player comes in and
he he gets his he jumps up and he kicks
with his left leg right before the guy can head it,
and it doesn't appear to have hit the guy's head,
but of course in soccer you can't tell because he
flops because he hits the he hits the deck as
if he was killed. And then Juventus rightfully goes goes crazy,

(01:26:14):
which I love the I made a bad call. I'm
gonna give you a red card for yelling at me
for giving you a bad call. Right, that's the giving
a guy a t for an obvious blown call, or
ejecting a picture for an obvious blown ball strike call.
But what a what a crazy and crummy way to
decide who moves on and who doesn't move on. But

(01:26:36):
the best way to decide a true champion is the
way we do in the NBA. Right, you play an
interminable season, but for the most like like if you
didn't make the playoffs, you just didn't deserve to get
the player. Whether it's the Denver Nuggets or the Minnesota
Timberwolves tonight, whoever wins, whoever loses, Like sorry, dude, you're
the ninth best team in the West End. Most of

(01:26:57):
the teams at the bottom are taking a dive like
well ahead. I will argue with this because it isn't
the same as a as an NBA season, because there
is no way to determine what team is better from
say the Premier League um than Lilga, if you will.
And that's where you're taking all of these clubs from

(01:27:19):
different leagues. So if you play one match on a
one home field and one match and another, we always
take a game seven toy side of Doug. But then
it's a one sided affair for whatever team gets to
host the four games. At least, this way, you have
two clubs playing one ninety minute match on one pitch,
one ninety minute match on another, and then whoever fares

(01:27:41):
better in the combination of the two, then you get
more because there's no way, there's no regular season for
them to play, if you know, I understand, And look,
this is aggregate is how they decide a lot of things.
They're right, It just is in in in most tournaments
and in regular season stuff. They don't have playoff games.
They just decide things on aggregate. I just I don't
love that. I don't. I don't like it. I like

(01:28:02):
but look, we have tiebreaker rules that are screwing here
as well, you know, we just do um. I don't know. Anyway,
just fascinated me that I at first I didn't clueing
because you said in the update when we talked about
it on aggregate, and I was like okay, And I
was like, wait, they were up three nothing and in
stoppage time a penalty is called. Now, look, they might

(01:28:23):
have if not for the if not for the play,
which could have been a very close It could have
been a goal and it would have been three one,
and we wouldn't been discussing this anyway, because he was
going to head the ball into the net. But I
felt like it was a good play defensive anyway, regard.
That's the most soccer we'll ever talk up until the
World Cup, which is upcoming to summer on Fox and And,
And the team USA is not even of a US

(01:28:44):
soccer is not even involved. Um, Russell Westbrook's sixteen rebounds
away from averaging a triple double for the second straight year,
and that sounds crazy. It sounds crazy right now. There
will be always be some people that point out a, um, uh,

(01:29:06):
you know, he's he was the m v P last year,
He should be the m v P this year. My
point on last year? Look, last year so much A
lot of it's based on expectations. They people had low
expectations for them because they lost Kevin Durant right from
a team that was one game away from playing in
the NBA Finals, and to make a trade acchoired Victor Oladipo,
who struggles statistically. Look, I'll just say this, I don't

(01:29:30):
think Russell Westbrook hasn't had as good a season as
he had last year, and maybe more than anything, his
teammates haven't gotten better. Like is is Victor Oladipo scoring
a bunch of points as the alpha in Indie a
sign that Russell Westbrook didn't make him better. Yes, did
it also sign that Victor Oldipo got better? Sure? Sure,
but there is something too, Paul George not having as

(01:29:52):
good a year as expected, Carmelo Anthony not looking as
good and then playing with a guy that would wait,
if he averages eleven assists a game, he should be
making people better, right, he should be making everybody around him.
Based if you base it on statistics alone, the average
eleven assist game, you're making people better. But that's not

(01:30:14):
totally the case. His statistical dominance is based more on
bald It's the same as And look, this will sound like,
well you're anti Russell westwork, No I'm not. But I'd
say the same thing for James Harden. You know they're
used to they're used to be this. Well, you know
Michael Jordan's or you know you you go back to

(01:30:38):
Dominique Wilkins and they play ISO basketball and they don't. Now,
I guess it's true, But it's also true that James
Harden still overhead. I don't like watching James Harden play. Yes,
he averages thirty points a game. Yes, the averages nine
assist a game, and I would say generally he makes
guys better. He is a willing passer, but I mean

(01:30:58):
he has the ball at the top of the key
of the ball screen on every every half court possession,
or at least it seems that way. And the overall
ball dominance of one player is what's taking the league
kind of by storm in the regular season. It just is.
It's what takes to the regular season by storm. But

(01:31:23):
it's also what creates kind of statsed statistical steroids, right, Like, man,
how are so many of these guys averaging so many
more assists and so many more points? And because they
have the ball more. That's it. When you have the
ball in every possession with the court completely spread out,

(01:31:44):
the defense has to pick and choose either lets you
shoot or let your teammates shoot. Like that's the whole
decision there. Some of it is the evolution of offense,
some of it is these are remarkably skilled players, but
at least a horseshion of it is the statistical steroid effect.
You have the ball more. I've told people for a

(01:32:06):
long time, Look, I couldn't make in the NBA because
um I had the reputation of a guy who couldn't shoot,
And there was the thought then that you can't shoot
people leave you alone. You can't stretch the defense. All
the passing the world kind of like glounes the ball,
except smaller. All the passing in the world, all the
passing in the world doesn't matter if you can't at

(01:32:27):
least keep the defense honest. And a lot of that
became kind of mental to me, like do I prove
to a team I can shoot it now? Do I
prove him now? Or do I just keep setting guys
upsetting guys up and with You got at some point
except that, right, But there's also if I played in
the NBA, I would average twelve thirteen assists a game

(01:32:50):
of coursing would well because you have great players around you,
and as a point guard you dominate the ball enough.
If you play twenty five minutes, you're gonna end up
with that many assists if you're any good at all,
and you're a willing passer, because nowadays, especially you doubt
the lead ball handler dominates. The basketball dominates. Whereas what

(01:33:12):
used to happen in the NBA, as we used to
throw it in the low post, they come double team,
you kick it out low post ball. We passed around
the perimeter and eventually somebody step up and make a shot.
You go a little bit of ice and the guy
go one on one to get his own shot. Occasionally
go I and the help would come. But with everyone
running some version outside of maybe the Warriors and a
couple of the teams running the same version of high
ball screen. Everybody guys, you know, three other guys spread

(01:33:35):
out along the three point line and the point guard
of the main ball handler using that ball screen. It's
just statistical steroids. It's it's no different than um, it's
no different than home runs in baseball. Home runs in
baseball were up, so we're strikeouts were up to the

(01:33:57):
highest point they've ever been. And so you can tell me, hey,
the home run ball is back. And maybe it's part
of it is they probably a good portion of his
they juiced the baseball. They change pictures, have said it
feels different. A lot of the fences have been brought
in nationwide in order to create more excitement, create more
home runs, and hitters have changed their approach because scouts

(01:34:19):
and personnel people, they're not holding it against them that
they strike out a bunch. And so when you only
look at home runs and you don't pay as much
attention to strikeouts, and you don't value singles or doubles
nearly as much as you would have in the past,
because the thought is analytics tell you this is the
smart way to play. The same is true in the NBA,

(01:34:42):
the same is true in the National Football League. It
creates a completely different statistical context. So I'm not saying
that Russell Westbrooks having a terrible year, but what normally
a averaging a triple double would be a historic year,
and I think being able to do it for a

(01:35:02):
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Smith Hall of Fame Classitute House in eighteen is uh
joining us? Now? Rick Welts joins us? Who of course? Um? Uh? Look,
he's just offers great perspective um on the Golden State

(01:37:12):
Warriors and Rick, the's a lot I want to get to.
But look, most importantly, what's going on with the Warriors? Well,
I don't know. Are you talking about the team that
went into Oklahoma City a week ago and uh played
an emotional playoff caliber game to win or the one
that late at egg in Utah last night? Uh? Yeah,

(01:37:33):
I guess both, right, I mean, look, I understand the
whole um. You know, if you go and go up
Mount Everest analogy, right, and then let's go hike Mount
Everest again. But I was kind of embarrassing last night.
You know, there's been some there's been and even Steve
Kurt trying to you know, he hasn't mince words sometimes
in the back pedal a little bit like what why

(01:37:56):
is this team outside of not having Steph Curry lacking inconsistency? Well,
outside of having Steph Curry is not an afterthought? Right,
So you know, certainly we're a different team when when
Mr Curry's on the court to when he's not, and
he hasn't been it won't be probably through the full
first round, so we're gonna have to have to figure

(01:38:16):
it out without him. That said, you know, this is
an experienced a team as you could possibly have going
into the playoffs. It's been in the finals three years
in a row, so, uh, the moment will not be scary,
but we have to we have to put together an
effort different than what we saw last night. And listen,
I think for the rest for the other twenty nine

(01:38:37):
teams in the NBA, I think this is viewed as
making the playoffs more exciting. Here in Golden State. It's
caused of some angst for sure. Um, by the way,
we just had Ray Allen on. I know you you
got your start, didn't you just start as a ball
boy in Seattle? I did. It was long before Ray
Allen played there, but we had a nice connection over

(01:38:57):
Seattle when we were together down at the in say
Final four in San Antonio a couple of weekends ago.
Um so look when we and Ray don't eventually join
you in the nation with Moya Hall of Fame. And
I know Steve Nash, who of course has worked with
you guys as a consultant, is also part of the class.
But um, like your background is super unique in being
in and around the league and starting with those old

(01:39:18):
SuperSonics teams years ago, and you know, working your way
now to have the type of impact with this organization
as their president and CEO. What's this journey been like
for you? Remarkable, unexpected, unimaginable. Um. You know, I was
a sixteen year old kid that just fell in love
with U NBA basketball and never could have imagined it

(01:39:40):
would take me on the journey that it has and
to culminate in the Hall of Fame. Uh election is uh.
I would like to say it's a dream come true,
but I would never been audacious enough to even dream
that's something like that could happen to something like someone
like me. So it's uh, every step has been remarkable, rewarding,
and you know, I'm so proud of the team I

(01:40:02):
represent today and what the NBA has become on kind
of the world sports landscape. Yeah, and honestly, UM like
look you and for people who don't know Rick's background,
really amazing stuff you did with the NBA in the
NBA front offices with PR, Right, that's kind of your background.

(01:40:22):
When the SuperSonics won back in seventy nine. Of course,
I know it was eight two to nine nine. I
think you're with the league, but it was it was
the dream team. It was a dream team. Pr that
Jordan's bird magic taking back over the dominance after the
debacle and soul in um, bring me back. What were

(01:40:44):
your memories of the initial conversations of not just having
NBA players play in the Olympics, but how to market
and how to grow the game from that Olympic performance. Yeah,
well you'll remember, uh after that. One of the structural
issues that was an impediment to NBA players competing is
that we were not a part of USA Basketball, the

(01:41:06):
national governing body, so we we didn't even belong, you know,
in that world of basketball governmance. That would have allowed
our players to play, and it's it's it's crazy to
think back then, because it's not that no NBA players
were playing in the Olympics. There were a lot of
NBA players, but they were all not Americans. And we
at that point, with the system we hadn't putting a

(01:41:27):
team together. It was clear that we weren't going to
be able to compete with the rest of the world
at that level unless we had a different system in place.
So it it took a lot of steps in between
eight eight and ninety two to eventually join USA Basketball
and then to have our players be eligible. But I
think it struck me for the first time what the

(01:41:48):
opportunity was. We hadn't even the United States. He'll also
remember hadn't qualified for the Olympics in ninety two because
of our poor international results. UH. We had to stage
a tournament in Portland, Oregon with teams from our region
in in in North and South America. UH. And the
first game, I think was when the visiting team came

(01:42:08):
out with cameras UH to take pictures of the team
that the USA was fielding for the Barcelona Olympics. I
think that's probably the moment where everyone's at holy cow. Uh,
there's something going on here. And you know, if you
fast forward to the end of those Olympics, I think
it's not an overstatement to say that moved the sport
of basketball. Had the NBA's UH participation in basketball ahead

(01:42:33):
twenty years UH in that two weeks, because we have
all kinds of players coming into our league today. Who
who first experienced basketball by watching that dream team and
they fell in love with the sport then and and
now they're playing in our league. Who came up with
the name dream team? Uh? An unknown Sports Illustrated copywriter?

(01:42:54):
So we had taken a secret photo at All Star
UH in USA Basketball Union Forms with Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone,
Magic Johnson. UM. I guess I can't remember who else
was on the cover, but we we were done in secret,
and when the Sports Illustrated story came out, some some

(01:43:14):
copywriter at s I had said, lookout world, UH, this
could be America's dream team, And from that day it's stuck.
So I don't know who that was, but I'd like
to thank them because it was the moniker that stayed
with us still today. Yeah, it's the PR guys dream right, Like,
oh my god, I just kind of fell in your lap.
And now and by the way, you guys should have

(01:43:35):
trademarked it, because now everybody everybody uses it. That's all right.
We we didn't We didn't create it, so I think
we probably owe it to anybody else who wants to
use it. So, um, it will always be the ninety
two Olympic team. Does you You also spend time you
were the head of the Phoenix Suns before coming to
the Golden State Warriors, And I think it's fascinating that. Um. Sometimes, um,

(01:43:57):
sometimes people who change history don't get there that they deserve. Uh,
I don't know, Mike D'Antoni and what the sons. I know,
Steve Nash canna be the elected the Basketball Hall of Fame,
and like people forget, like how about how crazy Journey
drafted by the Suns but couldn't break into the starting
lineup because they had Jason Kidd, another future Hall of Famer, Right,
he ends up going to the Mavericks and that kind

(01:44:19):
of change histories. They opened up the floor and then
comes back to the Suns and and you know, if
not for you know, one two technical fouls, they might
have won an NBA title. But um, is it fair
to say that d'antoni's sons. Do you think it's d'antoni's
sons or do you think it's Nash With the Mavericks,
that kind of changed how we look at offensive basketball

(01:44:39):
because obviously your Warriors have taken it to another step
in terms of valuing the three point shot. But I mean,
those were those were game changing moves with Mike D'Antoni
opening up the floor. Yeah, I don't think there's any
question that it was Mike D'Antoni with Steve Nash at
point guard at the with those Phoenix teams, it was

(01:44:59):
really the the peek into the future of what successful
NBA basketball teams would look like. We we joke because
now you know, here in Phoenix, we we have Steve
Nash working for us as a as a coach. We
have uh, you know, Steve Kerr, who is the general
manager of those teams here as our coach. We we

(01:45:19):
call ourselves Phoenix North because it's kind of the It
was the exclamation point when we won the championship on
that Mike D'Antoni system. I think that validated that that
style of basketball, uh can win championships and win multiple championships,
and I think really the only difference between those Phoenix
teams and these Golden State teams as we uh, we

(01:45:40):
have played a little better defense. And when you combine
it with Mike d'antoni's offense, you see, uh, you see
the Warriors or or Frankie, you see what Houston's doing
today in the NBA as well under Mike. I mentioned
Rick Wells joining us in the Doug Gottlib Show. He's
the president CEO of the Golden State Warriors. He was
recently elected to the Nates Meth Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.
I'll be conducted in the summer, along with the likes

(01:46:04):
of Steve Nash and Jason Kidd and others. His background
as chief marketing Officer and president of NBA Property, So
like you're a PR guy, a marketing guy through and through.
What does k d doing helped me out? Like Kevin
Durant went from the guy that everybody loved too now
and I understand that people are better in Oklahoma City
and there's the realization of hey, maybe you're only my

(01:46:26):
fan when I play for your team. But it feels
like he's trying to be this villain that I just
I don't think it. I don't think it fits his personality.
From a marketing perspective. Is this the route that you
would advise k D if he asked you? Katie has
got the best advice in the world when he's as
smart as any NBA player has ever set foot on

(01:46:46):
a court. And second, he's got great guidance from Rich Kleinman,
who is his business partner, who guides them every step
of the way. So, yeah, you're right, that's not what
you just described as not k D. It's certainly not
the k D that the people in the Bay Area see.
And and uh, you know, moving teams has proven in
the last many NBA seasons to be uh the creation

(01:47:09):
of a villain, right, And I guess he plays that
role reluctantly. But I I anybody who's around him and
who knows him sees that this is the most joyful guy,
the happiest he's ever been in his life. I'm lucky
enough to have dinner with him a couple of weeks ago.
And and he is. You know, at least what I
read in the paper is he announced yesterday that he's
going to opt out and sign a contract with Warriors

(01:47:31):
for for a longer term than than uh he would
have had to do to make more money. So, I mean,
he's in a great situation. He's an incredible human being.
He does so much in the community, behind the scenes
and in his hometown of Washington. So anybody here is
hard pressed to put him in that role of a villain.
Although you know, we all understand, you know, when you

(01:47:52):
change teams and uh, you're gonna leave a lot of
people unhappy. Um seven, I think seven years ago next
month you came out a New York Times articles as
gang became first kind of major poro sports executive, uh
to come out as as openly homosexual. And so when
you're when you're at the Nates Smith Memorial Hall of Fame,
you're not just gonna be in the Hall of Fame,

(01:48:12):
but as as a gay mail that that's a that's
a huge, huge step. How how much of that do
you plan on relating or how much of that do
you just want to keep to yourself? What's your what's
your thoughts on that? In the future? You know, I
I'll share a private conversation I had with somebody on
the Hall of Fame staff because I don't know the
answer to your to your question yet. Uh. And I

(01:48:33):
and I was speaking to this person saying, you know,
I'm curious what you could tell me about, uh, why
I was selected. And in the conversations that took place,
and uh, this person told me, you know, we drafted
the original press release to announce your election, and there
was a paragraph in there about about you being the
first openly gay senior executive and professional sports and the

(01:48:55):
director of the Hall of Fame. Uh, so we're going
to take that out. And I didn't know where the
story was going to go at that point. I wasn't
quite true the reason. And this person said, because the story,
the reason you got into the Hall of Fame, according
to the executive director, was not because you're gay. You
got him because of all the things you've accomplished in basketball.
And yes, that'll be part of the story later on,

(01:49:18):
but we don't want to make the impression first of all,
that that was the reason this happened. So I appreciated that,
but but I'm with you. I'm I've got five minutes
to kind of summarize a career and and thank who.
I need to think and I have to figure out
where that fits in. So Uh, I'm thinking about that
that question a lot. Do you have tapes of some
of the negotiation styles of David Stern? That's that's what

(01:49:41):
everybody wants to know. Uh, they would not be suitable
for public consumption, that would be only through wiki leaks.
I think that you would ever ever see something like that. Well,
and listen to those of us who grew up watching
what I think most people consider that kind of the
golden age of growth of the NBA and what's given
us so many so much international that the game has
spread internationally, it's like wildfire. Uh. Your your your efforts

(01:50:06):
are well regarded for a reason. I can't wait to
see what your warriors do in the playoffs in the meantime.
Congrats on rightfully being inducted to the Nation of Moral
Hall of Fame. And thanks so much for giving us
your thoughts on the Dubs as of now. Thanks great
to be with you. Rick belts Naith Memorial Basketball Hall
of Fame Class of two thousand eighteen. A really unique

(01:50:27):
special story and um one that we we wanted to
share with you. And and look, I think that's frankly,
I love his honesty and like you like, look at
my getting because I'm gay, Like, is that why I'm
getting in? They're like, no, you're getting in. It just
happened to be gay. Um, but I do think it's
a major I mean that's a Obviously there's been female

(01:50:49):
basketball players they have gotten in that have been openly homosexual,
but never a male uh at former NBA player and
never a former executive or a current executive. Let's bring
in Dan buy or find out what else is going
on the world of sports Dad when he got well
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(01:51:11):
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(01:51:33):
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(01:51:54):
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(01:52:15):
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Did you guys? Uh? Now it's time for a bigger
than life performance brought to you by Rampage. Deep Down
jeep it down for what out two ninety nine? A

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one possession game? He's got nineteen? Did you guys see
what happened at Staples Center last night? I'm like, look,
I'm not gonna lie to you. I was exhausted. I
did two shows and other stuff on Monday. I did
the Dan Patrick Show and some TV yesterday, and uh,
I'm sitting up watching the Rockets take on the Lakers,

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and I had to see Andre Ingram play. Andre Ingram
is a lifer in the d n G League, but
he's not. It's not like he's one of these guys
that was averaging a game killing the G League and
never got a call up. He averaged for his career
nine points a game. He played two games in Australia
and then didn't like it and came home. He never

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went to summer league, he never went to VET camp.
He just a guy, He's a jag. Just a guy.
I mean I've I don't remember the last black basketball
player with gray hair, right, Like, he comes in and
he's wearing did you guys se him when he walked
into the arena last night to see Staples with his

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wife and his two cute little daughters. Do you see
that he had like a like a he had like
a polo a polo polo shirt right like he just
did he basically wearing dad jeans and a polo shirt
and like, hey, I'm gonna stop in and play for
the Lakers. He basically they picked a dude out of
the stands and said how would you like to be
a Laker? And all he did was come in and

(01:54:27):
hit four threes and have ninety points and three blocks,
and in a system was still are you kidding me?
And like I was, I was thinking of Pretty Woman, right,
you know, you know the famous part of started Pretty
Woman and Pretty Women Like it's Hollywood, baby, what's your dream? Right?

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I dream of playing for the Lakers? Like, yeah, that's
that's cute, right, Like he like thirty three, thirty four,
gray hair, married, two kids, been in the D League,
down an average double fig gears. Just just a guy
who stands outside and can really shoot and he out
there he gets it like do you have now? You
could say maybe it's because he had nothing to lose,

(01:55:11):
but dute, he had a lot to lose to be
the guy that gets the call up and you know,
come in like, I don't know how big are your nuts?
To come in and just start hitting shot after that
was unbelievable. Ronmost tell me you watched that thing that
was my wedding anniversary yesterday, so I happened to miss that.
I thought some highlights. So he was throwing up some
shots that were kind of going in because he's like

(01:55:33):
that kind of a funky looking like catch. It spends
no time lining it up and just gets rid of it.
I mean, are you kid me? Speaking of a bigger performance,
a bigger than live performance, big meats bigger in a
movie rampage when you picture a blockbuster Hollywood movie, this
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Rampage in theaters tomorrow. The PG thirteen. This would be
a G rated. The de Andrea m story is like
the only thing that was missing was it got to
be a one possession game. They had the ball back
and they called time out and the Lakers screwed up
the inbounds play that was supposed to be running for him,
and they threw the ball away and then and they
end up losing I think one third team one O nine.

(01:56:18):
But like, the only thing would make it more Hollywood
is if he hit the game winning shot, not even
wait to hit the game winning shot. But I mean, like, look,
I've I've as long as he's been in the D
League became G League, I've covered professional in college basketball,
and I can't say that I ever remember Andre Ingram.

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It doesn't make him a bad dude. I mean, just
he never got a call up, he was never on
a summer league team, he was never invited to VET camp.
He played two games outside of the continuous United States.
He's playing for like thirty grand a year, just the
world's greatest guy. And they're like, I will do Missali,
will call him up and put him with the big club,
and they throw him into the game. I mean, this

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is like, thank goodness that he has no illness. It's
like a make a wish thing, right, I mean, I
mean it's almost as I remember the movie Rookie of
the Year, where like the kid he has the super
the some super elastic arm and he comes in. He's
a picture. Remember remember you guys, remember that movie. Like
that's the only less believable tale than Andre England coming

(01:57:27):
coming in against oh, by the way, against the best
team in the NBA record wise, It wasn't like he
came in. Wasn't like like the Grizzlies are playing the
thunder tonight and the Grizzlies have a bunch of dudes
that should be in the g LECA. It's not like
he's playing against g league guys. He's playing against the
legitimate NBA team, not just legitimate, the team of the

(01:57:48):
best record in the NBA. And he comes in. Wo wow, Wow,
this is it. It's as unbelievable as the miracle on ice,
more unbelievable than Maryland. Baltimore County's remarkable to me like

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it was, it was I was watching a movie, only
I didn't have to pay to watch it on TV.
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That was in twelve Matt David's in his fifth home
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(01:59:55):
eighth inning, they adds the race to one. And how
about those twins get Max Kepler a walk off home run.
They beat the Astros nine eight after blowing an eight
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the Padres to get within two of the Rockies in
a game that was highlighted by a benchers clearing brawl

(02:00:16):
where five players were ejected. Was it a brawl though?
I mean all they swung but they missed. I didn't
see anybody get hit. Well. There was a lot of
chasing and punches thrown five players and all I mentioned
getting ejected, But yeah, I mean, I think that's the
best way to describe it, even though maybe there was
no connection. Do you like Melee or Donny Brook? Um? Uh?

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Melee probably shorter. Donnie Brooke is too wordy. I don't
know what do you prefer? Well, I like Donny Brook.
It sends me back to the days of old all right.
By the way, according to Forbes, the Yankees the most
valuable franchise in baseball, out an estimated value of four
billion dollars. I want to take a guess at who's
the least valuable team race that is correct, nine million dollars.

(02:01:04):
Who's this the secondly hold the secondly valuable team? That
will be probably surprising to us. I'm trying to think
who that would be. I don't have I don't think
it's I don't think it's the Marlands. Huh. I said,
I don't have the full ranking, so I can't give
you an answer. First last, Yeah, and I got second.
I got one through five and then the Raises the last.
But Dodgers are second, Cups, third, Giants fourth in the

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Red Sox round out the top five. A big one
tonight in Minneapolis, Nuggets and Wolves for the final playoffs
spot in the West. It feels like it's gonna be.
It feels like it's gonna be. The world is fairly
handily if it just does. Like the I love Yoki,
and um, you know, this is a very good young
Nuggets team that kind of went for it when so
many other teams didn't. But Jimmy Butler back healthy, I

(02:01:47):
would be I would be stunned. Stunned at the Timberwolves,
Like if they don't make the playoffs, don't heads that
have to roll? Don't you have to make a change
the huh yeah, you know, the not get through so
close last year, the Timberwolves, dealing with Jimmy Butler's injury, Um,
both of it. It's I don't know if it's want

(02:02:07):
to be A would have could have should have seasoned
at least with the Timberwolves. But um yea, the Pelicans
good without DeMarcus Cousins, right, I mean so like we
can sit there and say, you know, well, Jimmy Butler's injury,
but the San Antonio Spurs didn't have quite Leonard, didn't
have quite Leonardo, their best player, didn't have him Arizona

(02:02:28):
Cardlos running back David Johnson told Serious Sex Merendio that
they will have the best offense in the NFL if
Sam Bradford is healthy. If I had two heads, I'd
be in the surface right. Uh. When was the last
m Sam Bradford was healthy? Was like five years ago?
In Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa State canceling spring games. Another
snow storm for the Midwest this weekend. That it's the

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