What exactly are the Cowboys doing with Jason Garrett?

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Dallas Cowboys. We are waiting for the official announcement. What
the heck are you gonna do with Jason Garrett. We
are now on I think day five. Well, I mean,
it's been five days of waiting on what will the
future of Jason Garrett. It's not no, not official official.
There was a report last night from Edward Er that

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the Cowboys have decided to move forward with the organization
without Jason Garrett as a part of the organization. But
there is nothing official from the Dallas Cowboys, and there
even some saying that in the fitial decision hasn't even
been made as we are five days into this mess.
Reminds me of the scene in water Boy where everyone's
sitting outside the hospital waiting to see if his mom's

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at Dan Buyer on Fox and with this Cowboys saga continuing,
I guess in a way, Will, I can't blame Jerry
Jones because I think it's heart is in the right place.
I think that when you have someone that's been a
part of the organization like Jason Garrett has as a player,
as an assistant, and then as a head coach, you
want to do right by him. But I don't know

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if Jerry Jones he's doing right by the organization by
having this can see you into the Friday after the
regular season end that Jason Garrett's future with the Dallas
Cowboys is still not publicly known. I don't think he's
doing the service to the Cowboys because they priority are
talking to people behind the scenes on their own. They
probably have been all year, just because it's not like, Okay,

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the coach is fired, now we go for our search.
They I believe they've been searching this whole time. Well,
I I think that that could be the case. But
don't you think that something would have at least leaked
out or come out that somebody is speaking with Steven
Jones or Jerry Jones about the Dallas Cowboys position. The only,
the only thing that we have ever heard of anyone

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linked to the Dallas Cowboys was Urban Meyer himself saying
that the Dallas Cowboys job is the job that you
know you would want. And that was weeks and months
ago when Jason Garrett was still the head coach and
there was some questions about whether he would be back
or not. Dragging it out this long to me and
not hearing any leak tells you that the Cowboys are
trying to do this the right way. So I can't

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blame them for that. They want to make sure that
Jason Garrett's taken care of and that the organization and
is in a good spot. But I think for all
parties involved, you just have to cut ties. It seems
like a relationship that you know it's not going to
end up in a marriage. So instead of trying to
drag it out longer, you know what, just be done
with it. Both sides can move on, they can find
whoever they want to be with next, and that includes

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assistant coaches, that includes everybody on staff. To continually drag
this out I think hurts everyone involved. I disagree. Why
is that? Why? Why would this be a good thing
for the Dallas Cowboys, for Jason Garrett, for everyone involved
to be five days into this and then still have
no conclusion on what is going to happen with the

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future of of any of them? Well who who knows
that this could be a situation where they come out
and they'd be like, hey, Garrett's back one more year. Guys.
If that, first of all, I would be shocked. I
would be shocked. I should be shocked, though, because you
then would convince yourself that he should stick around. It's

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almost like, Okay, are are the bugs gonna give Jamis
a long term deal? And a lot would say, including myself,
highly doubtful. But it could be a situation where it's like,
you know, if we can just do this one little thing,
if we can just do this, so let's tag They're
probably gonna tag him. I guess I'm like nine, but

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sure they're gonna tag him just to see what happens
gives them flexibility, gives them flexibility. But you're not gonna
give Jason Garrett a one year extension on his contract
that's gonna expire in less than two weeks. Like, you're
not going to do that. You're not gonna give him
one more year. And I'll even well, I'll even say this,
look at what the Carolina Panthers did. The Carolina Panthers

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fired Ron Rivera with four games left in the regular season.
This was a coach that took them to their second
Super Bowl and team history, was beloved by fans because
of his riverboat Ron Moniker. But the Panthers dismiss him.
They allow him to come back the next day to
address the players, to address the team, to clear out

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his office, to say goodbye to everyone, and then they
start the process. Now, while the Panthers haven't finished their process,
Ron Rivera is now the head coach of the Washington
Redskins and is already building out a staff. So when
when we say like taking care of in doing this
the right way, there are some who said, man, you
know Ron Rivera deserved to finish the season with the

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Carolina Panthers. Well, Ron Rivera is already employed by an
NFL team, and the Dallas Cowboys haven't even decided if
they want to keep their guy or not. So the
point is is you can say that the relationship is
different with Dave Tepper and Ron Rivera and Jerry Jones
and Jason Jerry Jones new Garrett pretty much for forever sure,
as I mean as the players the Cubs, where Tepper

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was just like, hey, you know already already know what
I want, So why why should I even drag it out?
Let me do yeah, let me do by on. I
respect Ron holeheartedly and this is this is our plan.
I mean, and I can't really fault the guy. I
actually respect temper for coming out and laying down the
format what he's trying to do for us. He said, basically,
you know, I I put my blueprint and my my

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my stamp on the business side, and so now it's
time for me to go do the same on the
football side. And this is what I want and part
of my plan, you know, Ron Rivera is not included,
so let me let me let him go and go
and take care of business. And it was it reminds
me of when you know, I part of ways with
the with the Redskins. Um, you know, they they released

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me earlier. I was pretty much I think I was
the first release. And and the reason they did that
was like, well, let's let you we want, we don't
want to wait and see what happen. Let's let you
get out there now. Sure hopefully somebody will snag you
right away. You know, let's let's do that. Um. So
that's the only comparison I can see in terms of
Ron Rivera. Well, that that that's and that did you good?

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That did you? It served you well because you were
let go by Washington early enough for you to go
find a joke. Thought it did. But I unders I
understand that's that was their thing. I but I get that.
You know. I was like, well, you could have done
actually a month earlier. I would have preferred, not not
the day of I before that reason though, like yeah,
Rivera knows he's gonna be like, oh, well, let me

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go build my staff, let me go you know, figure
things out. Sure did, but there but there there's no
My point is there's no like relationship there. There is
nothing tied to one another in terms of that. It
was a business relationship. It wasn't a personal thing, but
it ends up working out best for both parties, even
the perceived victim who was Ron Rivera, because he's the

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one that lost his job, so it works out well
for Ron Rivera. This also wasn't Jason Garrett. It's Jason
Garrett and his staff and and I and I get
the history of the Cowboys, but I also think of
the the history that Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones have.
But I just also think it's better for everyone to
just end up moving on or making I mean, we're

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on a Friday and we're still trying to figure out
is he going to be is it gonna be official?
We don't know. How do you think the assistance feel
of the staff who may have to go look for
other jobs and look to fill out with coaches. I mean,
let's say there's a coach who has a connection to
Ron Rivera on the Redskins, and you're a Cowboys head
coach and you're under contract. You have no idea if

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you're going to be back next year. So Ron Rivera
is gonna go and hire his own linebackers coach. There
is somebody else like you're the one that's being hindered
by it, so it looks it looks like Jerry Jones
is doing the right thing. But you use the the
Dave tepper Ron Rivera business relationship. It's still worked out,
all right. It worked out well for Rivera. Rivera Eve

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got to come back and say goodbye to his team.
I know that Jason Garrett has been doing that this week.
I just think that Jerry Jones is putting Jason Garrett
and his staff in a tough spot. And it's actually
putting Jerry Jones in a bit of a tight spot too.
If they aren't talking to people, which we don't know
if they are talking or not. You assume that they are,
but we don't know if he's talking to other people
unless he's got somebody's standing at the door. There's no

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way they're not. Like just like you know, I mentioned
several times this week when Arizona moved on from coach Wilkes,
and then right immediately they went and hired you know,
Kingsbury is they've been doing their homework all year. Like everything,
especially in the NFL, everything and everyone is being evaluated

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at all times. At the end of the day, teams
are always looking for ways to improve, looking for ways
to get better. That's why every every Tuesday they call
it the that's the cattle call workout. That's where Tuesday's
they bring in a ton of players and they just
work them out. And usually they never signed anyone that day,
but they're just continue to do their work, do their work,

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do their work, especially if if they're lacking in a
certain area or they're building inventory, just in case they
need somebody later. Ron, So, uh, I don't. I'm sure
there there has to be. There's there's no way they're
not talking to somebody right now. It has to be
and and well, if if this is the case, and
if that's the case of the Cowboys, then Jerry Jones
not only has to be talking to somebody, he has

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to have a contract ready to be signed once the
move is done, because they are losing ground. They lost
ground to the Redskins, who get Ron Rivera. They're they're
losing ground to whoever the Panthers are talking to, whoever
the Giants are talking to, whoever the Browns are talking to.
Like those opportunities, I mean, you would think that the
Dallas Cowboys star would be enough for anybody to want

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to be the head coach of it, just like but
if you don't know if it's available, then you may
take a giant's job, or you may take a panther's
job or a Brown's job because you have no idea
what's going on in Dallas. That's my other the other
issue of it, Jerry Jones, Maybe Lincoln Riley is gonna
be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, and
it's just a matter of cutting ties and making it official,

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because if you don't have somebody that's standing there at
the doorstep, you've already lost five days and trying to
figure out who is who's going to be the head
coach and and and who's not in talking to people,
you're losing that precious time to get a new head coach.
The one thing is that the best agents, they know,
they have information. They have information. So if if there

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are candidates and those who are representing those coaching candidates,
they have an idea of what may or may not happen.
You know. The biggest thing that was going on with
the Redskins was is that coaches who were interested did
not want to sign or did not want to coach
if Bruce Allen was involved, they wanted somebody else there

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to influence the division, influence their decisions. Um. I knew
a couple of coordinators that interviewed in the previous years
who turned down the job because they just didn't want
to be there and work there. So there there have
been several agents that have you know, spoke to other
reporters saying like, hey, this is what we need to
happen in order for us to move forward. And that

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once at my point is like there's just information that
these agents know, Like everyone is speaking to each other
behind the scenes. Um, and you'll see anice reports. Names
have been have not been named. But I just feel
I just I'm pretty sure like people are speaking they
have an idea of what's going on with Look, otherwise yeah,
they'll they'll go aheaded and somewhere else. Or if there

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are big if there are big names out there that
are looking for opportunities, they're like, hey, either for example,
let's just take urban Meyer. Urban Meyer would be like, hey,
I'll if I came back, it would be for the
Dallas job only, so I'll sit back and wait. Or
other people, you know, maybe McCarthy is like, hey, yeah,
I want to coach again. It but I'm I'm really
attracted to this Dallas job. So who knows? You have

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to be really really attractive, Because if Cleveland saying, hey,
here's this job, here's this job with power where you
can be hand in hand with the general manager, that's
that's enough to lure away than just the star in Dallas.
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Well is a good dude. I learned a whole lot
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You know what I'm doing right now? Will whining? There
it is. There's a good pun. Well, laugh at that one.
Laugh at that one. All right, let's talk some football.
I want to get your thoughts quite quickly on on
the Cowboys situation. Why is this Jason Garrett thing taking
so long? Because Jerry Jones you know, you know he's

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a sentimental guy. Um, you know, he's looked at Jason
Garrett as family. He's been like a part of his
life as a former player than as an assistant coach,
the head coach. Um, Andie, it's like that that girlfriend
that you know you need to break up with and
you just keep trying to hold on even though you

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both know that it's over, and these last several days,
I guess for nostalgistake, um, they're they're they're just turning
this thing over and over when they both know no,
he's not coming back. Just say goodbye, you know, wish
each other well, go to the opposite direction. But for
whatever reason, again, because Jerry's the sentimental guy, this thing

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has been dragged out way longer than it needs to be.
He's Mike Jones of the USA Today. You got something
you want to dive in there? Well, by I don't.
I have nothing to say about this thing. This is like,
like make it happen already. Goodness gracious, Yeah. I think
Will and I started the show talking about this. Mike
and the relationship one is actually kind of what we

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alluded to as well. If you're not gonna get married,
this is something that maybe you should just move on
and just just part ways because it's it's the best
for everyone. I also think that this is one of
the best weekends that we've gotten boards The super Bowl
is such a big deal that I think the NFL
playoffs end up being underrated. But of these four games
that we're about to embark on this weekend, Mike, which

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one to you has the most appeal? Uh? For for
whatever reason you want? What game stands out of the four? Well,
I'm really fascinated with, um this this Titans Patriots matchup
here because obviously the Patriots offense has not looked great,
but their defense is fantastic. The Titans office since turning

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to Ryan Taneo has been amazing. Derrick Henry Um just
a monster Russian the ball. They also have to get defense,
and Mike Rabel knows this Patriots team very well, So
I'm really curious how this one's gonna go. Uh. The
other one is this Houston busketball game. I've got back
and forth and back and forth on this one. Great
defense in Buffalo, I don't really believe in Josh Allen

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is a passer yet um. And then you got Deshaun Watson,
who has just been terrific, but he's got to step
up even more here now that they're in the playoffs.
They kind of compensate for an inconsensus defense, and so
I think they'll edge him ount. But but both of
those games tomorrow, UM, are are pretty much really games

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that I can't really totally make up my mind on
how it's gonna go. But do you believe in Josh
Allen as a playmaker. I believe in him as a
playmaker until the game is the line, he's gonna have
to make some game change and throws. Um you know,
we saw him get to the bills in the red
hot against the Patriots that he couldn't make the play

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to win the game. Um, we've seen him. Um you
know he's not afraid to run the ball and uh
run through a wall from that team, which is great,
But he still does not have a three hundred yard
passing game and he's had at least one turnover and
in half of the games he's played in. I just
I feel like he's going to be good. I just

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don't know if it's this time, if it's his time yet.
Speaking of like playmaking quarterbacks, I think I believe the
most dangerous quarterback right now in the playoffs is it's
probably Carson wentz Um And I just feel like, I mean,
a couple of tea, a couple of people, have you know,
the egos upset in Seattle, and I just what what
Carson do right now with literally with no one is

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impressive What does your take on that. Yeah, you know,
it's really amazing because the last three weeks in the
regular season he kind of just reached another level. Everybody
was kind of talking like, you know, I know that there.
I have to know some die hard Ego fans who
telling me I understand this on the radio and Philly
and you know, wondering, man did they mess up and
letting Nick Foles get out of there? What Carson Wentz

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all of a sudden is playing like the guy that
they gave that big contract to the way he carried
him two wins the last few weeks to season against Washington,
against the Cowboys, against the Giants. Um, and he's hot.
You're exactly right. He doesn't have a lot of guys
who's working with, but he's elevating their games. He's going
against a good defense there against Seattle. I mean, obviously
Russell Wimpson as a guy that if you're going to

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get in the shootout and this could be a really
great game. But I agree with you. I think that
the momentum is on Carson Wentz side and they're playing
at home. I think that they can pull this thing home.
Mike Jones, Journing US here on Fox Sports Radio covering
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Buyer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today on the Seattle

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side of things. For as great as the last week's
game was, they still don't have a running game. And
it's it's what beat that, It's what helped them beat
Philadelphia early on in the season. How much should we
take from that first meeting considering where these teams are
right now? I mean, both sides seem to deal with injuries.
Is there anything that we can take from that first

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Seattle winning Philadelphia and carry it over to the late
game Sunday? Now I almost feel like you need to
throw it out the window because none of like those
the running backs are gone for Seattle. UM and UH,
the Eagles secondary is way healthier now than they were
when they played UM Seattle earlier in the year. UM.
I'm curious to see how my friend Lynch loves now

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with us. You know, he's got a game under he's
got gotten you know through a second week of practicing. UM,
can he offer anymore? He had a couple of flash runs,
but I agree with you um that that run game
they really do well when they've got balanced. As great
as Russell Wilson is, it's just their offense is that
it's best when it's got balanced. And I don't know

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of his playmakers. If Russell Wilson's struggling, there's nobody that
bails him out. There's nobody that makes his job easier.
He's got to make everybody else, you know, better, but
nobody really kind of can help him. So who's going
to step up for him? I don't really know. You know,
we've touched on the three playoff games. There's one that's left,
so I want to end with that. I'm not asking

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you to predict what crazy could happen between the Vikings
and Saints, because we've seen it in enough of their
playoff games before. But is this an opportunity for Kirk
Cousins once again to change a narrative or is it
not in the cards at least Sunday in New Orleans.
I mean it's an opportunity. I wrote about that in
today's paper that like you know, he's had this this

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The label on him is that he wills under pressure,
big time games, prime time bright lights, he can't deliver um,
and this is an opportunity to do that. But I
feel like this Saints team Da've got so much motivation
because of the way that they got screwed with that
call last year, UM that I don't know if anybody's

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going to deny them, certainly not at home here UM
for Cousins of company. Don't know if daln Cookie is
going to be I think it's hard enough to win
at the Superdome for any quarterback. But then I just know,
I don't know if the moment might be too big
for Cousins and if that motivation on the part of
the Saints um is gonna be too massive for him

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to overcome. I know, I I I'm anything could happen.
I mean, you had the fire of interception in the
NFC title game. We know about the Minneapolis miracle. Is
you know, crazy things happen with the Vikings and Saints
play and maybe it's just crazy that Kirk Cousins head
things happened with the Saints period. Yeah that's truly, Yeah,
truly truly. And remember there's a long time where they

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couldn't win a playoff game, and uh now they're just
there every year where crazy stuff happens. Read them on
USA Today. Find him on Twitter by Mike Jones covering
the NFL. Mike Jones, thank you so much for your
time and Joe the weekend all right, thanks for having me.
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You went to a bowl game every game of your
every year of your college year career at BC. Right, Yeah,
we played on that blue turf. My goodness, is it
is It is truly distracting as it seems. Does it
take a while to adjust too. It's just we we
were actually helped because we were actually the home team.
We we played Boise there. We played Boise at Boys

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in a bowl game, so they wore white. We would
home team, but it allowed for their blue. That was
an issue where they would wear like the all blue
and then they would blend in. But I thought that
they would Heck, what about if a team we're all green,
you know, like it would be the same. There's a
lot of birds die there because they think it's way
that is not true. That's a fable, that is that
is that's that is not true. That is I'm just

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I don't think that's true. Well, I is that what
you were telling you? It's not true? Nacing, you don't
think it's true. I've heard they do. They it's a
big body of water, it looks like and they just
dive straight down and it's a rat. But don't most
birds land on the water like you would have to
think that there would be a fish underneath the blue
turf for the bird to go down to go head first,

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you have to ask the bird that's true. I do know.
I do know that birds have died with the Viking
Stadium because of the clear glass that they have. That
that is an issue. So how do you believe that?
And and don't believe the blue turf? You need this
fish walking around the turf? Minnesota? Number one name a
lake blue? Okay, lakes are brown there like there's there's

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no blue, Like we make color a lake on our picture,
but they're not that. I never said a lake, I
said a body of water. Well, I'm just but I'm
just a A pond is brown or a green. By
the way, when you go to the id Hope Potatole
boll the number one activity is mechanical bull mm hmmm.
Did you guys beat Boise State in that competition? Was

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like a team competition? Remember, no, we beat them in football. Yeah,
you beat them in football. That's all that full time receiver.
That game that was It was fun. He's will black
men get him on Twitter again at will black men,
not at will black writer or at any other tag
that Dr Robert tweet tweeted in Robert Ryan music, you've
got something, Robert music, You've got something. He has a

(25:48):
well he has a well grown beard. Well, thank you
very much. Well, I appreciate that. So the idea that
the birds kill themselves is a myth. However, they do
have a problem with geese on the field, sitting around
on the field because they do think it's a lake.
So the birds don't kill themselves, but they do have

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a problem with birds trying to course. Oh man, check
out the Vikings stadium as well, and maybe we'll revisit
that because I think with their like clear light that
they've had some issues with with birds, uh coming to
their untimely demise. Why would they be there? It's too
cold anyway, right, well, not in the summer or the

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spring when everybody, you know, when all the birds pack
up from Florida and fly north, you know, go and
enjoy the summers in Minnesota, which are beautiful, right before
the mosquitoes hatch. And then and then you've got other
issues to deal with with mosquitoes the size of birds.
J J. Wats back for the Houston Texans this week
for the first time since Week eight, returning from his

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torn pack. How much can a return of J. J. Watt,
both on the field and in the locker room mean
to the Houston Texans who are kind of trying to
get past that bugaboo that the a f C Wild
Card Game has presented them at times? Is is this
a big boost for the Texans or is this just
a matter of all right, we got JJ back when

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we got other issues to deal with the Buffalo Bills.
It's huge because he is going to be accounted for
until proven otherwise. So in terms of game planning, ah,
he's gonna be looked at as Okay, well, let's see
how he is, Like, let's account for him. You know,
we're gonna have to chip him, still, slide the protection
his way once in a while, and let's just see

(27:33):
what happens. And then, you know, if he's not a problem.
As the game goes on, then they can adjust, but
he will be accounted for because of who he is.
I think when you look at the NFL as a
whole and you see the great organizations of of the
Pittsburgh Steelers, the Green Bay Packers, the Dallas Cowboys, when
you see the history of those teams and you try

(27:54):
to put like a face of the franchise, it's different
because they've had so many great players that been many
great eras with those teams, but with the Houston Texans,
it's a shorter era. And I brought this up with
Bucky Brooks of the NFL Network, who works here in
Fox Sports Radio Saturdays, he and Jonas Knocks do their
show four o'clock Eastern time. But I brought this up

(28:14):
with Bucky when he and I were doing a show
about who's the face of the Houston Texans. His argument
was that it's Andre Johnson. But I really think, and
I think we're on the same page that the face
of the Houston Texans is the guy who's returning this
week from a torn peck, and it's J. J. Watt,
just because of what what means to that organization and
what he means to that city despite the long, great

(28:36):
career that Andre Johnson has. Think J J. Wats the
face of that Texans franchise. Yeah, you know, when I was,
when I was in Green Bay, is a lot of
legends that would hang out, will be around or you know,
we will always bring back bart Star, who is you know,
he is the founding father, the guy of of the Packers.
But then you know, then you have Far and now

(28:58):
you have a Rogers. Sure, you know, so I almost
look at it like Andre Johnson is the Bart Star.
You know, he's Mr Houston Texans. He's always around, you know, beloved,
can do whatever he wants. But um, but then J. J.
Watt is like the far you know. And then but

(29:20):
and right now Aaron Rodgers is the person you think
of and right now DeShawn Watson. Yea, there is there
may be some actual parallels to to who is what,
But I think I think Watts president is a big
boost as to just think it's a big boost for
the fans over there because that city absolutely loves him.
We know the media loves I mean, and then when
he's done, you know, for can relief and raise a

(29:42):
gazillion dollars. Incredible. Yeah, it truly is amazing. That'll be
the first game tomorrow, Bills and Texans kicking off the
NFL playoffs, which again will I love, and I I don't
think that they get as much hype. We always talking
about March Madness or the Stanley Cup. Playoffs are the
best baseball in October. We love the NFL regular season,
we watch the super Bowl. It doesn't need hype the playoffs.

(30:06):
I know that that's It's like, as soon as you
lock into a game and you see the first person
get there, Hey, taken off, you you know it's game,
it's time. And but that's what's so great about it,
is right, it doesn't it doesn't need the hype. But
I also don't think that it gets the hype for
how good it is, for exactly what you are saying, Like,
there are other playoff formats that we look at and

(30:27):
we're like, oh my goodness, but you don't want to
miss any single NFL playoff games starting from wild Card weekend,
you know, And I think I think, of course, Watch
Madness and other things get a lot of hype because
they're trying to motivate and inspire the gamblers uh in
that regards. But yeah, the NFL playoffs alone doesn't need
any hype. Never done a bracket pool with the NFL playoffs,

(30:47):
but maybe it's something that we should start. We've got
like twenty five hours to do so, because that's when
the Bills and Texans will end up kicking off. He's well,
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Dan Buyer, sitting in for Gottlieb today on this January
third eyes on the famous Idaho Potato Bowl. Maybe they'll
do a flashback where will be black Men's BC Eagles

(31:32):
top Boise States while I unleash, have I unleashed everything
having I'll have to go check out the box score
unleash and what what went down in that version of
the famous Idaho Potato Bowl. But instead of looking back,
how dare you guys put a freshman cornerback on? We

(31:53):
try to look ahead to what could happen in a game.
We like to play bag. This is game Time Tide
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Before we welcome in, Brian Finley,
did you know anything about that freshman cornerback or did
you just know he was a freshman when you lined up?

(32:14):
I didn't know because he actually had a five yard
out and caught the ball and he tackled me. And
he said you got tackled by a freshman? And I
was like, all right, that happened to be Orlando Scandrick
oh Man, And yeah he was runner his mouth it's
all good. Yeah, he does like to talk. I don't
know what substances behind what Orlando Scandrick sometimes says. You know,

(32:37):
a lot of a lot of a lot of yappen
will maybe not a lot of you know, showing up
in the famous Idaho Potato Bowl, not that game. Nope,
all right, Brian Fenley is here to play a game. Hello, Brian, Hey,
what is going on? Guys? What what kind of game?
Do him drinking? Game is psychic. He's will's got black
water and he's got clear water. I would say that

(32:59):
a duck would likely land on the black water than
it would the clear water. It was a lake. Yes,
we get it, just just just my point. Alright, we
got a little psychic going on. Psychic ready to look
ahead into the future instead of the past? Well, black
men ready to do that? All right? All right, guys,
let's get right into it. Ohio State past rushaur Chase

(33:19):
Young obviously declared for the NFL Draft today, and he's
obviously being considered a top overall prospect, but most expect
the Bengals to take LSC quarterback Joe Burrow. So, guys,
who will prove to be the better draft choice ten
years from now? Burrow or Young? Oh? You want to
you want the first crack at this one? Got it?

(33:39):
All right? Who is it? It's gonna be Joe Burrow.
You take him Cincinnati and you do what the trend is.
You get the young quarterback and you got all the money,
and you get everybody around him, you build the team
around him. Boom, He's he's got mobility. But I will
watching him, is he looks like Tom Brady, like the

(34:00):
stature of the just the build of who he is.
He looks like Tom Brady before he is able to
move around in the pocket and escape, but when he
was thrown the ball so he could eat sushi Indian
style in the middle of the freeway and not worry
about anything. He's cool. I think Jase could be really
good with not Ron Rivera there and then able to

(34:23):
develop their defense around a piece. I think Jill Burrow, yeah,
I agree with that. Alright, guys. There have been multiple
reports about the Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels interviewing for
the Browns and Panthers job, as well as being a
potential candidate for the Cowboys if that job ever seems
to open. Is this finally the year where McDaniels leaves

(34:45):
the Patriots to become a head coach elsewhere. Well, we
thought he was gonna go to Indianapolis a couple of
years ago, and we thought that he was there, and
then in the end he was not. Frank reik Ens
up getting that job after McDaniels takes it and then
doesn't take it. But I will say this, I don't
know the answer, but I think that it could lend
us the answer on what happens with Tom Brady. If

(35:07):
Josh McDaniels takes another job. If Josh McDaniels takes another job,
maybe it's an opportunity for the Patriots to move on
without Tom Brady, who will be a free agent. Well,
if we're looking at possible coach GM pairings, isn't Nick
as serials contract up as well? That was Yeah, he
was going to be the Texans general manager to Cleveland. Well,

(35:34):
that's the issue those the Brown scene that they want
to head coach in place, and then you would have
that pairing with experience. I like that. I might tweet
that out. Interesting. What about Eric enemy, Yeah, he is
interviewing that is That is the case. I do think
of McDaniels leaves, though it may tell us more about
Tom Brady than we think we know. He just looked

(35:59):
at me side. It's all right. So we've got some
pretty inclement weather expected in Foxboro for tomorrow's Titans Patriots game.
They're saying a low of thirty three with some rain,
possible snow, ten to fifteen mile put out mile per
hour winds. Who's gonna benefit most from these poor weather conditions?

(36:20):
The Titans or the Patriots New England. It's gonna be
New England. Yep. For sure. They know how to hand adversity.
That's the only reason they beat the Cowboys because that
couldn't throw in that It also it also actually could
slow down some of the weapons of the Titans. He's
gonna rain. It's gonna remind uh Tannehill of South Beach

(36:41):
when it rains a lot down there. He's yeah, you'll
just be a few few degrees cooler than it was
in South Beach. But I actually think it takes some
of the firepower out of that Titans passing game and
a half yards per play, Yeah, I mean they's Brown
has been really good. You've also made Corey Davis uh

(37:04):
Jonas Smith has been a target for them. Yeah, it's
made some Titans very dangerous in the passing All right,
what we got? How about how dangerous is Kirk Cousins
gonna be against the Saints? Is he gonna be able
to overcome this reputation of underperforming in big games? He
will not be dangerous at all? The Saints win. I

(37:25):
actually agree with will you have to challenge the Saints downfield?
You can't dink and dunk and if that's what Kirk
Cousins does on Sunday, then Kirk Cousins will just remain
Kirk Cousins. This is game time on the Dug Gotlieb Show.
You hear the weaknesses in the Saints secondary. If you're

(37:45):
gonna attack them, that would be the place to make Hey, Will,
but if you don't throw down the field, I don't
think you're gonna be making much. Hey. He's Will Blackman.
Find him on Twitter at Will Blackman at NFL Wine Guy.
I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show coming up next in New England. It could
be the end of an era, but it won't be
the end of a dynasty, Will explain. Next. Be sure

(38:07):
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah You Want.
Starred in the famous Side of Hope Potato Bowl back
in two thousand five, but today he's sitting next to me,
one Will Blackman, as we get ready for the NFL playoffs,
and also hope to shed some light of what's happening

(38:29):
in the NFL coaching carousels. By the way, do you
realize that when you played in the what is now
the Idaho Potato Bowl, when you played it was the
MPC Computers Bowl, that they actually gave out m v
P s to the winning and losing team. I'm got anything? Yeah, yeah,
they actually gave an m v P to the losing
too busy putting work all about the other team. That's

(38:52):
so true. Although Matt Ryan was the m v P
for that game for the UH, for the winning side
for your Boston College Eagles, remember that, I don't. Yeah,
he ended up being the copy had me the UH.
Will Blackman thirty five yard passed, made the score twenty

(39:13):
four nothing in that contest. Will Blackman, by the way,
finished five catches. John Romas, do you want to guess
how many receiving yards Will Blackman had in that MPC computer? Said? Yards? Right,
I did not. I said he caught at five yard
pass from Matt Ryan. He had five catches. I would

(39:36):
say five catches for maybe one fifty or one four
and a score for at that he just go home, good,
good job. That was it? Five catches, one four twenty
eight point eight yards a clip for for Will Blackman

(39:57):
in that game, not to you know what it was.
I had a lot of a lot of frustration built up.
I didn't like watching Mount West games on Thursday nights.
I'm like, why did you keep showing these guys on
Thursday nights. I don't want to see by you. I
don't want to see Utah, I don't want to see boys.
I don't want seeing these guys play. And so I
finally got a chance to play against them, and yeah,

(40:18):
I just yeah, he made his mark. But it was
Matt Ryan who stole the m v P watch TV copy.
I think it was me, DARNI yeah, I think that
we can we can safely say that looking ahead to
the NFL weekend, I gave you your due. You deserved it.
For some reason, they gave the losing team an m
v P jured brands because yeah, but they didn't stop

(40:40):
it until like three years ago. It was like Dan
Hawkins last game as a head coach with you left
your mark. You'll never forget Will Blackman. That's loss on
that turf. I know all the history. Okay, what do
you know the future of who's going to advance an
NFL wild Card weekend you know, I don't know the future.

(41:03):
I I I think that there could be you know
scenario and I give speak for yourself on Fox Sports
one a tip of the cap because they've had this
Patriots dynasty ends countdown going all week long. As we
sit here right now, that's actually pretty good. It is
very good. One day, four hours, twelve minutes, in fifteen
seconds counting down. There is a lot of question about

(41:25):
the Patriots dynasty, but I would I love the idea
of the graphic. I don't agree with the graphic. I
think it could be an end of an era, but
not an end of a dynasty. Tom Brady yesterday, it
was asked about the possibility of this being his final
game in New England and as a new Patriot. Here
was the quarterback's answer. I'm just pretty focused on what

(41:46):
I need to do, and you know, it's this week
felt pretty much like every other week for the last
twenty years. I don't expect Tom Brady to look back
at his time in New England with a question like
that when they have a game to play. But I
also will in looking ahead at the New England Patriots.
If Tom Brady were to move on and play somewhere
else as he is a free agent. I'm not sure

(42:09):
why people think that this is the end of the
Patriots dynasty. If you took a I don't know, half
decent quarterback, if you took in average quarterback in these
NFL playoffs and put them on the New England Patriots,
wouldn't they be right where they were this season and
be able to compete with that defense if you added
a piece or two maybe in the receiving game, even

(42:30):
without Tom Brady, as long as you had a capable quarterback,
when the New England Patriots continue to be a winning
football franchise with Bill Belichick said coach, I don't know,
I don't know. And and the reason is Tom's Tom
Brady's best attribute is his mental endurance. Like he's able
to withstand whatever, go through whatever, and never never be

(42:56):
out of the situation. You know, here's the thing. It's
it's funny that you know, we have the end, the
end of the dynasty countdown and all these things of
people bashing and you know, talking trash about the Patriots,
but it's like, dude, like they've been kicking but for
a long time, Like it is the most underappreciated things

(43:18):
is that it's hard to be good for that long.
And yeah, if it's say if it's end of an error,
end of a dynasty, it's like, Okay, Well, I actually
think it's because I think it's I think it's two
different things. I think as long as Bill Belichick stays there,
the Patriots continue to win, that is a that is
a huge factor. I totally agree with that. But I
mean I thought last year, after the Tom versus Time

(43:40):
documenty came out, I was like, Okay, they're gonna go
win and everyone's gonna piece out like that would be it. Yeah,
because even even with mc daniels, you know, taking the
job in Indy a while back and then um and
then coming back, I just thought, but they end up
losing that game when he came back. Yeah, they lose.
They lose to the Eagles that year, But then last

(44:03):
year they ended up getting the Super Bowl, and everybody
comes back and it's the same old story. I just
I think when we have I don't know if it's
been a chicken in the egg argument because why why stay?
Why would Bill stay if Tom decided to leave? Because
Bill isn't tied to Tom Brady never has been and

(44:23):
that's actually been the issue I think in New England
of why there has been strife reported strife between the
head coach in the quarterback. I mean, it's really amazing
to see what Bill Belichick has done in Cleveland during
his time with the Giants. Remember him and Bill Parcels
weren't tied at the hip. They had a great working relationship.

(44:46):
I in fact ended up watching that we played the
thirty for thirty and it wasn't it was the Belichick
Parcels one when they went back to what was MetLife
Stadium now, but obviously when they were at Giant Stadium,
but they put him in the Giants locker room and
you know, talked about, you know, all their years together. Remember,
Parcels wanted Belichick to stick around with the New York Jets.

(45:06):
And one of the reasons that Belichick got the job
with New England and Parcels resigned from the Jets was
because of this back and forth between the two sides,
where Bill Belichick was actually going to be the head
coach of the Jets when Bill Parcels left the Patriots.
To remember all of this is it's important, Yeah, the
point being is Bill Belichick was very loyal and there

(45:28):
was gonna be a period of time where Bill Belichick
was gonna be the head coach of the Jets because
Bill Parcels couldn't coach the Jets well. Once they figured
out the compensation between the Patriots and the Jets that
allowed Bill parselves to leave New England and then coach
the Jets immediately. Bill Belichick was a part of that
Jet staff, but there was always the thought that Bill
Belichick would immediately be the head coach after Bill Parcels

(45:50):
well in New England wanted to interview Bill Belichick, so
Parcels steps down and then Belichick said, well, heck, I
wanted to interview for New England, and that kind of
broke up the relationship chip a little bit because Bill
Belichick went back to New England. The point being is,
we think that Bill Belichick has these great, tight relationships
and the rider die with but it wasn't like that

(46:10):
with Bill Parcels, and it's not like that with Tom Brady.
And I think that Bill Belichick wants to set his
own standard apart that it doesn't matter if Tom Brady's
there or not. It's why he did set his own
standard by when he made a decision to not go
back to Drew Bledso that was where he made his
mark and he stood by that and it worked out
for him. My thing is, like he has he has
not to prove, you know. And he also even though

(46:33):
they didn't end up going to the playoffs, he went
eleven and five with McCastle. Yeah, you know, and and
then and he just coaches the team and it's we're
on the Cincinnati, We're onto this. And that's what makes
Belichick so unique is because it isn't about a legacy
or it isn't about trying to prove anything. He coaches football,

(46:53):
and he coaches football to win and tries to get
the edge, and that's what they do. I think it
is about legacy because he's such a history and that
he's not outright say it, but I think it does
matter to him. If if that's the case, what in
the world could he be chasing like like, I don't know,
like he's just probably obsessed. Yeah, I think he's obsessed
with the process of football. And that's why I don't

(47:15):
think that the dynasty ends just because Tom Brady leaves.
Tom Brady hasn't been good this year for New England.
Yet somehow they win the division again and we're a
stinker away from the Miami Dolphins from getting a first
round by And that's all because of Bill Belichick, not
because of Tom Brady. And that's why I don't think
that the dynasty ends. I think that an era ends

(47:35):
if Tom Brady isn't there, but the dynasty continues because
Bill Belichick is still. There is no dynasty without Tom
Brady really can't be I think that era ends. The
dynasty continues with the head coach. A lot of times.
This is also unique Will when thinking of like the
forty dynasty. That's that's two different situations there. You got

(47:59):
Bill washing Tanna and you, and you got Seaford and Young.
But seafort did win the final one with Montana's the quarterback. Yeah,
So the head coach moves on, dynasty continues with new
head coach, and then all of a sudden you make
a change with the quarterback. Then you just go to
the owner. Yeah, his dynasty. Yeah, yeah, give it to

(48:21):
the de Barlos. That's that's what you could do this though,
because right, you say Cowboys of the nineties, right, Jimmy
and Switzer. That's fair. Jenny Jones, Yeah, there's I I
just I don't think for what the Patriots accomplished this year,
almost in spite of tom Brady's poor play or downgraded play,
that why we would think different if Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's

(48:42):
leading this Patriots team, would we still would we give
them a fighting chance in this game against the Titans.
Of course we would. Bill Bolichick's coaching. They're at home,
they're taking on one of his you know, pupils, Like
we think that that's that's a coaching advantage for Bill Belichick.
I just don't think that the dynasty ends because Tom
Brady may move off. That era of great quarterbacking may end,

(49:04):
but the dynasty of the Patriots is all Bill Belichick
and it's been that way for a while. It's amazing,
you know, I saw the say, just fact checking myself
that Tom Brady is is top ten in passing yards.
Where's the im passer rating is the issue? Because he
was hovering around twenty one for a good, you know,

(49:25):
good part of the season and that's not tom Brady
esk as, not tom Brady s. But he's still threw
for over four thousand despite who he was thrown too,
and still twenty four you know, tds to eight interceptions
and yes, yards per tent six yards you extremely low.
Guess who Tom Brady? I just looked it up. Tied

(49:46):
for passer rating this year in the NFL Josh Allen,
Jacoby Brissette, who people say they want to replace in
Indianapolis because they don't know if they can. But it's
it's it's different though, is it's situational football. It's like
they they still had a good season. It's just it's
it's such a team a team oriented thing exactly where

(50:07):
you know, okay, when one game is this one week?
Is this one season? Is this one season? Is that?
You know it's and and who's the cause of that?
Bill Belichick? So why would we expect anything different if
a new quarterback came in, Like I still think they
continue as long as he's on their sidelines, Like that's

(50:28):
the whole point of it, of like they're still going
to win. There's still going to be eleven and five.
There were eleven and five this year with a quarterback
with the same passer rating as Jacoby Brissett. So if
Bill Belichick is there next year and Tom Brady Isn't
you know, it's not the end of it because Bill
Belichick's there. I guess what, Maybe a new quarterback comes
in and then they end up taking him to the
playoffs and the defense is dominant, and what do you know?

(50:51):
You know, the Patriots are back at it. Listen, I
don't want to see the Patriots in the super Bowl.
I'm starting my A B CD, my A B Yeah,
anybody but the Patriots. I do not want New England
in the Super Bowl again. I want a different team.
I want a different looking end zone. I want just
something different. I want to see the pages there again.
That's where you and me differ. He's Will Blackman, I'm

(51:12):
Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Maybe we'll get into that in a
little bit. You can get Will on Twitter at Will Blackman.
I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. And if you want
to check out Will's wine business, just go to at
NFL wine Guy and find out what he is serving
up for you. You like that play on words, serving
up a little glass of wine, a little glass of
grape for you. You can pour a glass of grape

(51:34):
and enjoy this next segment, why we tell you that
one NFL running back is way too overhyped. That's next
year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific. He's Will Blackman, NFL VET
star of the NPC Computer's Bowl. Now the famous Idaho

(51:55):
Potato Bowl. Story about that, by the way, torching boys
aid for a hundred and forty four yards on five
catches and a score from one Matt Ryan who should
not have been the BC m v P for that contest.
But we are sitting in for Doug got Leep here
on the Dug got Leep Show. What's your story some
more on the the Computer's Bowl. Yeah, So basically, you know,

(52:17):
the beginning of every preseason, they have like the a
c C meeting, the you know, the Big Ten meeting,
the conference those conference meetings. And so I got sent
to go with Matthias Knuka, Tim Bowman, and so we
were there for the meeting representing Boston College, and you
got these little gift bags, these little goodie bags, and
inside there was like a it was a blue flashlight

(52:38):
and it was an MPC Computer's Bowl keychain and I
was like, that's pretty cool. I like the flashlight, and
so I put it on my key chain and our
All American defensive m Matthias q Nuke looked at me.
I'm like, what, He's like, take that off your key
chain right now? I was like, no, dude, I saw
this is pretty cool. He said, take that off. He said,

(53:00):
because if we end up at this bowl game, you're
not gonna have a compensation. And sure, dude, at the
end of the year when they drew our Bowl, he
looked at me like he hadn't give me the craziest look.
He you know, we didn't do anything physical like fight
or anything, but he totally grilled MEW and I was like, damn, bro,
you were right. I was. It was destined. You know

(53:23):
what I was worried about is that part of your
maybe gift basket when you made the Bowl was another
key chain flashlight. That's what I was actually really worried about.
That the NC way, We're gonna go to this ball
game and what do you know, there you are but
to your to your benefit, and kudos to you guys.

(53:46):
They're bowl games where teams go to and they don't
want to be there and it shows on the field.
It did not show on the field for you. At
Boston College, they almost they almost came back because the
score was close. So it was it was a magnificent
year that year for Boston College to end season rain
and it rains. It rains now Inhaled in that game,

(54:06):
how could you tell with the water in the blue
field because my hommet was getting cracked and it wasn't
from the opponent. The the it's it's right now is
the only game in town, the bowl game to Wow,
there's gonna be tw playoff games Sunday, there's gonna be
two playoff games in the NFL, and we're still the
ways away from the college football Playoff championship game a
week from Monday. That will occur for a bunch of

(54:27):
teams in the National Football League, they're not gonna play
a game until next September, at least a game that
counts one of those players that will be playing one
of those games then, or a game that actually means something.
We'll have to wait until September. It is Christian McCaffrey
of the Carolina Panthers about that man on this ahead, Well,
we're gonna talk about Christian McCaffrey because I think that

(54:48):
today he entered some unique territory thanks to the Associated
Press All Pro Teams. Christian McCaffrey became the first team
All Pro running back for twenty nineteen, but also will
became a first team All Pro at a flex position,

(55:09):
and there is some there is some curiosity of trying
to determine what the flex position is. But the question becomes,
and I don't want to break down the entire AP
All Pro vote, but what is Christian McCaffrey. I mean,
he's a running back or is he a flex position?
A guy that does both? Because I think there are

(55:30):
some key reasons why we need to have some perspective
on this. But when you look at Christian McCaffrey, do
you look at him as like a running back? Do
you look at him as like the Swiss army knife
that can do a bunch of different things. Swiss army
knife who can do a bunch of different things. Third
in the National Football League and rushing. Became the third

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player this past NFL regular season to have a thousand
yards rushing and a thousand yards receiving. Now my issue,
why do you think that we go a little overboard,
and we'll I'll even give you the floor on this.
Why shouldn't Why should we go overboard for Christian McCaffrey
considering what he did is done for the Carolina Panthers
because he's that good what he's done this past year,

(56:13):
because he's that good, and that's that's the sole reason
of why of of just Doingalil mac made All Pro
at d N and I'll sidelinebacker last year, okay, because
he was that good and and was able to star
at that position. But aren't if Christian McCaffrey is the
third player to do what he did at that position.

(56:38):
I mean, it's been done before, it's been done. Marshall
Falk and Roger Craig each had a thousand yards rushing
in the thousand yards receiving. This becomes a bigger issue
to me, will because when we look at the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, when you take a look at
the list of the finalists that you have for possible
in Shrineman Enshrineman into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

(57:00):
Edger and James is on the list. You've got Roger
Craig who's waiting to possibly be enshrined. He's on the
Veterans ballot if you will, for the in trinement into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. My whole issue has
been if you're going to value the running back in
value what Christian McCaffrey did this past season. There were
running backs who made a living of what Christian McCaffrey

(57:23):
was doing. Tikey Barber. Christian McCaffrey season, for example, where
he had twenty three hundred ninety two yards from scrimmage
was two yards better than what Tikey Barber had in
a season where he rushed for eighteen hundred yards and
had five hundred yards receiving. Yeah, Christian McCaffrey did the

(57:45):
one thousand, one thousand, but the total yards from scrimmage
were very compartable. There have been other backs who have
been that type of back. I just find it interesting
that we don't have a Warwick Done or a Tikey Barber,
or a Fred Taylor or a Ricky Waters even being
considered for enshrinement into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Christian McCaffrey has a season where he does a thousand
and a thousand, barely beats Tiki Barber for what his
third all time in the most yards from scrimmage and
we're saying, oh my goodness, this guy is so amazing.
Look at what he did. Like to me, there's just
this where where this is just no, it's it's not
pure hated. You stick up for guys who have done

(58:29):
what Christian McCaffrey has done in the past but don't
get the recognition. So not has done but other than
Roger Craig and Mastra Fault. Yeah, but it's it's a thousand,
a thousand, that's it. So the five hundred more rushing
yards that Tiki Barber had in two thousand five than
Christian McCaffrey had this season are not important because they

(58:50):
didn't come in a different facet of the game. Important
because he didn't have fifteen rushing touchdowns. That touchdowns are
now the issue. That's what we're gonna do is just
if you get into rushing yards, well, he only had
what eight n s Ludanian Tomlinson at two thousand, three
hundred seventy yards, you know, he's in the Hall of Fame.

(59:11):
The most yards from scrimmage in the season, Chris Johnson
because he had the yeah, two thousand rushing yard season.
Point being two is with the All Pro you're gonna
be one, you're gonna be the other. But the running
back and flex Derrick Henry leads the NFL into rushing.
If that's what you want from the running back, put
him first team All Pro if he's not. But he's

(59:32):
not the best running back. He just had the most
yardge rushing. But so Christian McCaffrey had more yards period,
So then why so isn't what the flex position is
all about? Got the rushing title? Congrats. I I just
I think that there's this gaff flex is the best
football player on offense. I would not disagree with that,

(59:54):
and I would disagree with that. I let him have
as if why can't he have two awards. I just
don't understand what they're trying to get to, and I
think that we are we fall over backwards for what Christians?
I think you need to get your popeye and I
need to get your pop eyes back because you're eating healthy.
You know, don't like how you are right now? You
get it, you're being angry right now, listen. I'm just
that is a symptom. That is a symptom of eating healthy.

(01:00:14):
You make that adjustment your your chemical to your body
makes you real stuff. It's a new year, will it's
trying to start turning over that new leaf. Me and
my bicycle are great friends, or the stationary bicycle are
all right, good for you? Good for you? That would
be enough to put you as an All Pro flex

(01:00:35):
according to these people who vote, because Christian McCaffrey has
to have it all exactly, I have elliptical anna bike,
so yes I will be you would the Christian McCaffrey stuff.
A great season and and what has been a disappointing year,
to say the least for the Panthers. He was their
lone bright spot. He really was carrying that team. I
understand all that. But as we look at him, it's

(01:00:57):
almost like we're trying to say he's redefining the position.
There have been guys that have done it before anybody
said that. I just think we go overboard a little.
Derrick Henry first team All Pro for running back, but
Christian McCaffrey at flex and be all good or not
even have a flex position. Uh, it could be that possibility.

(01:01:17):
If the flex position is there to make sure that
a running back who catches the football is not left out.
Then that's exactly what Christian McCaffrey was designed for. Then
just give the running back. I I look at the
running back definition. I agree with you that the running
back definition encompasses at all. But to have a flex
and then say that he did both, it just doesn't

(01:01:39):
add up. It's like two and to make five. It
just doesn't seem right to me. He's Will Blackman, I'm
dan By, you got anything you want the final word
on this? Um, I'm looking at last year and Tyreek
Kill got the flex last year. Perfect. You know what
wide receiver also runs the ball. Second team was Christian McCaffrey,
but he wasn't running, He wasn't the starting running back though,

(01:02:00):
he wasn't the first team running back. It was uh
what Todd Gurley, Yeah, there it is, and they only
get one running back. So when you're yeah from the
Associated Pressure, and one thing you should note, the Associated
Press All Pro first team quarterback most times is the

(01:02:21):
NFL's m v P. The Associated Press First Team All
Pro quarterback was Lamar Jackson. So what we kind of
assumed likely will happen the day before Super Bowl fifty four,
Lamar Jackson likely your NFL m v P. That is
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you're gonna appear in a different game, Will Blackman, and
it's called how longs? All? Right? This Jason Garrett thing
has gone on long enough. It's basically been five days,
like he's still It's taken the Dallas Cowboys five days

(01:03:03):
to fire Jason Garrett and he's still not gone. So
when I want to give you Will our scenarios, and
you have to tell me what's lasted longer the firing
of Jason Garrett or the specific scenario that I bring up. Okay,
so what's lasted longer? The process of firing Jason Garrett's
on the big Big in Boston. Perfect. Yeah, that's how

(01:03:26):
That's exactly how the game is played. What has lasted longer?
You're ready? The process of firing Jason Garrett or the
two thousand presidential election recounts? What lasted longer? Me? Mi?
Are you waiting for me to laugh at your jokes? Oh?
That's true, that's true. That actually wasn't funny. Will That

(01:03:49):
was a good effort, but I thought my jokes. No,
it was an answer, It was an answer. What what? What?
What lasted longer? Jason Garrett Or the presidential election recounts Uh,
Jason Garrett No, the presidential election recount took about a month.
I know, but it's been five days. It's been five days.
It's been ten years, it's been five days. What lasted longer?

(01:04:15):
The process to fire? Jason Garrett Or a car ride
NonStop from Miami, Florida to Anchorage, Alaska? What what would
take longer? The longest flight ever? I went from Miami.
I went from Florida to Seattle. Brutal. That's long. What
about a car ride from Miami, Florida to Anchorage, Alaska? Longer?

(01:04:39):
You are correct? Seventy nine hours? It would take you
non stop to drive from Miami, Florida to Anchorage, Alaska
if you were But but how do you do that?
You just have somebody hanging out the window filling the
car with gas. Just keep going, Yeah, just keep going,
just like a pit stop. You're gone, you're out the door, refuel,
and you're on your way to Anchorage. So you're one

(01:04:59):
for two you so far? All right? What lasted longer Jason?
The process to fire Jason Garrett or how long it
took the to dig the tunnel to get El Chappo
out of prison? So well, doesn't want any part of that.
I don't know if anybody really is listening to that.
That could get you in trouble. But would you like

(01:05:21):
to guess the process of firing Jason Garrett? Or how
long it took to dig El Chappo's tunnel to get
him out of prison? Jason Garrett, No, it's incorrect. The
El Chappo tunnel took like a year. I'm going to
answer Jason Garrett everything because he has not been fired, alright,
So what lasted longer the process to fire Jason Garrett
now on five days? Or Britney Spears marriage to high

(01:05:43):
school sweetheart Jason Alexander not of Seinfeldt but of her
high school. Remember Britney Spears was married before she married
Kevin Federline. What lasted longer the marriage or the process
to fire Jason Garrett? Jason Garrett, that is correct, That
is correct. All right, good work, I've kind of lost track,

(01:06:06):
and how Will is doing? Hopefully you're doing well at
home because you can play at home. What was longer
the process to fire Jason Garrett or Bill Belichick's first
tenure as Jets head coach. Well, it wasn't Bill there
for a day, the first tenure for Bill Belichick as
the Jets head coach. Jason Garrett. It's actually incorrect. It's

(01:06:28):
Bill Belichick. Yeah, it was six days, but this was
before he actually got the job. Again, as we talked
about earlier, with Bill Parcel's leaving the plan when he
left New England, he was bringing Bill Belichick along with
him to New York. But Parcels couldn't coach until they
figured out compensation. So they made Belichick the acting head

(01:06:50):
coach and Parcels a consultant for six days until they
figured out the compensation. That then moved Bill Parcels back
in his head coach of the Jets. What about the
second tenure process of Jason Garrett's firing or Bill Belichick's
second tenure as Jet said coach? What lasted longer? Jason Garrett?
That is correct because it was the one day, final one, well,

(01:07:10):
final one. What lasted longer? Jason Garrett? The process to
fire Jason Garrett, or how long I worked at a
metals factory at the end of my senior year in
high school? What was longer metals factory welding? Yes, exactly,
It's exactly what I had to do. Did you wear

(01:07:31):
a math like Homer Simpsons, I'd wear safety goggles and
steel toed shoes. But what lasted longer my time at
the metals factory or the process to fire? Jason Garrett,
I'm assuming you've probably got hit with a spark and quit.
So I'm gonna say, Jason Garrett, that is correct. He
is right. There were multiples. I got the shoes too big,

(01:07:51):
and they were falling in my shoes like so like
my my ankles were burning from sparks. I lasted three
quarters of a day. Yeah, I didn't even make it
through the whole days. I should be a GM. I quit.
I quit at the afternoon break. I was done. You
know what I had to weld? I had to weld,
Like if you go to a cemetery and they have
like the metal crosses that they put fake flowers around.

(01:08:14):
I had to take the two metal bars and weld
them together, piece after piece after piece. Ye, how about that,
I said? He got hit by a sparking quick That
was that was pretty. It was burning. It was burning you.
You were burning up on our game. How'd you fair?
Do you think you faired that game? I always probably
think he was sent right there. I think you're I

(01:08:35):
think you did all right once once you caught on.
Hopefully we'll have some closure on Garrett sometime soon. He's
Will Blackman. Find him on Twitter at Will Blackman. Thank
you very much for playing along. I'm Dan Buyer. You
can find me at Dan Buyer on Fox. By the way,
this is such a good jam. We kind of edited

(01:08:56):
out you're not hearing it on the podcast, but it is, uh,
it is. It is magnificent by the band Ace, by
the band Ace. We'll see if Drew Brees has an
ace up a sleeve against the Minnesota Vikings. That comes
up next year. On Fox Sports Radio, be sure to

(01:09:19):
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In a segment we like to call now Nick right
today on FS one's First Things, First weight in on
Drew Brees and the challenge or maybe like thereof that

(01:09:40):
he could face from the Minnesota Vikings on Fox Sunday afternoon.
I know we think about last year and what we
say is, oh, they got screwed at the very end
by the call against Rams, and that's true. What's also
true is Drew Brees was the m v P or
co m VP of the league along with Patrick Mahomes
last season through the first twelve games, and in his
production dropped mightily. I am not sure one of you

(01:10:02):
guys made this point a month ago, and I think
it's pressing at this point. I wonder if those five
games Drew Brees missed allowed his arm and shoulder to
stay more live for late in the season at age forty,
because since Week fourteen, no quarterback, not Mahomes, not Lamar,
not Russell, no quarterbacks have been better than Drew Brees
since Week fourteen. So the Saints aren't a perfect team.

(01:10:24):
You're rankings and Davenport being done for the year I
think could hurt them later in the postseason, but I
would be shocked if they lose this game at home
against the Vikings. Would you go as far as being
shocked if the vikings S go to New Orleans and
beat the Saints, I would be shocked, would be I
was shocked because that is that is one place that
is very, very difficult to win, um, just just on

(01:10:47):
energy alone. I remember two thousand eleven after we beat
when I was on a Giant, after we beat Atlanta,
I remember sitting home and we watched that physical game
between the Saints and the Niners, like everyone was getting
laid out that game, and we were kind of hoping
that San Fran won that game because we did not

(01:11:09):
want to go down to New Orleans. I mean, if
we had to, of course, we went down there and
played and competed, but we just knew that New Orleans
was just a difficult place to go play and to
go win. We we actually played New Orleans that year
and Drew Brees hung up fifty one points on us.
So yeah, so that was you guys said your fair
share of points, but just wasn't fifty one, right? I
mean it was a shootout, wasn't it. Yeah. I think

(01:11:31):
we put up like thirty, but still a fifty one point.
You don't even know how much we scored for that,
but yeah, I agree, you know. And then once again
it's the thing we always talk about what my old
friend Kurt the whole prime time Can you do a
prime time can you do what it matters? Can you
do it in the playoffs? Can you do it in
New Orleans? I would be shocked. It is the biggest

(01:11:53):
spread of any of the we don't know the hell
of the running backs. Cook says he's gonna go. Of
course he's gonna go. I mean, okay, another another football
locker room secret. Okay, let's hear it. Before they started
regulating through it all that that line was long. Okay, okay,

(01:12:13):
guys getting ready to be good to go because there
is no tomorrow. Give me that shot, sure, and and
there may be no tomorrow after Sunday from the Minnesota Vikings,
who again are more than a touchdown underdog. I agree
with what Nick Wright is saying. With the play of
Drew Brees, I do believe that this time off this
season did help him in progressing this year helped him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:12:38):
I do think that. I think that that's fair. It's
also just like with when in another Cowboys under the playoffs,
But why in Ezekiel elliott absence at the beginning of
the year would have been helpful for the Cowboys at
the end of the year. Now they just had to
use him against the Philadelphia Eagles, they did different topic.
I think actually the injury may have helped Drew Brees.
It also seems like they figured out a way to

(01:13:00):
get Alvin Kamara into the end zone and to maybe
be more of a running threat because he hasn't been
that running threat. Alvin Kamara had almost a hundred yards
in his first week and didn't have as good of
a week until Week sixteen against the Tennessee Titans. He
had eighty yards that game, average seven point three yards
per carry, scored twice. He ended up scoring twice against Carolina.

(01:13:22):
It's like the Saints kind of had their hiccups, and
I know we wanted to say this team who lives
stoops better with than with Teddy Bridgewater just the same.
That's that's absurd, It's ridiculous. I do think that the
Saints are starting to to click on all of their
cylinders and it could be trouble for the Vikings on Sunday.
So I'll agree with you on that. I also just

(01:13:43):
think it's to your Kirk Cousins point. I just he's
got a challenge downfield. It's the only way because otherwise
you're gonna make it easy on the Saints, because if
you just drop eight, you're good. Yeah, And the dinkin
dunk is not gonna work because you're never going to
dink and dunk better than the guy on the other
sideline who just dropped back. And I know it's not comparable,
But the point is is they're gonna be the Masters better. Yes, yeah,

(01:14:08):
you have to. I mean, I mean, and that's where
the Saints weak spot is could be trouble. I think
that the Saints that we saw the odds of Super
Bowl m VPS possibilities at the start of the playoffs,
a lot of Saints players up there, which could bode
well for their future. He's Will Blackman, I'm Dan Buyer.
Is Drew Brees the best quarterback in the NFL? Right now?
Not so fast? We'll tell you who is next. Be

(01:14:30):
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific, less than
a day away from wild Card weekend in the National
Football League. The bracket begins in the NFL. I love it.
One thirty five local time here in California will be
four thirty five Eastern time. Texans and Bills will be

(01:14:50):
playing in Houston. Start things off, you get all a
f C on Saturday. That on Sunday it's the NFC
stern Saints and Vikings. That game will be seen on
Fox at one o'cl Eastern time. After that it's the
Seahawks in Philadelphia Eagles from Philadelphia in a game that
is on NBC on Sunday afternoon. So a bit of
a different switch, but each of the networks that have

(01:15:11):
an NFL property have their own game in a wild
card weekend. I want to look at all of the
quarterbacks we just heard, uh Nick writes if you may
have missed it from Fox Sports ones. First things first,
talking about Drew Brees is playing the best does any
quarterback is in the National Football League? But well, I
want to take a step back and look at where

(01:15:32):
we really are in terms of quarterbacking in the National
Football League, because I think that there is one name
that has the opportunity to state claim of being the
best quarterback in the National Football League and putting himself
in that conversation to do that for years to come.
When you look at this season that we've had in

(01:15:53):
the National Football League of Drew Brees injured with the
thumb injury. Ben Roethlisberger was gone from MO still the
season for the Pittsburgh Steelers because of his elbow issue.
I think Aaron Rodgers did not have an Aaron Rodgers
like season that we would expect from the Backers quarterback
Tom Brady not having any Tom Brady type of season.
Maybe we are seeing a decline in all of those

(01:16:14):
quarterbacks that we usually group in these are the best
quarterbacks in the National Football League. I know he hasn't
won an m v P, but I think that Russell
Wilson has an opportunity over these next three or four
weeks to stay claim of being the best quarterback in
the National Football League. If he is able to lift
the Seahawks with their injuries that they've had on the

(01:16:36):
offensive end, if they're able to advance to an NFC
championship game, maybe even make a run to Super Bowl
fifty four. Is daunting as that would be, I think
it would show that Russell Wilson is the best quarterback
in the NFL. Do you have any issues with that?
I don't have any issues, but I think that's already
an argument that can be made is he is he's

(01:16:56):
the best quarterback. Um. I feel like he even spen
until lot of colleagues and friends like, if we had
a chance to start our own franchise right now and
we had to pick one quarterback, a lot of people
would pay Russell, you know. Um. I think the fact
that he has already won a Super Bowl helps him.
But to add to your point, if he gets this done,

(01:17:21):
I mean him to already be this far with his
team is great. But if he does this without l
Ob that would be huge. Without a running game, they
also don't have an offense without their left But all
he needs is like four or five yards of pop.
He doesn't need a dude to like just open it up,
you know, all the time. But Seattle is has been
built over the last two seasons on running the football,

(01:17:43):
and they have lost their top three running backs, which
allowed them to have to bring in Marshawn Lynch and
Robert Turbin. A week ago, at the topic of conversation,
it's interesting because I hear you say that there are
those within the NFL circles that already believe this, because
I don't think that that's the case out of it,
and I think in in out of the NFL circles,
I mean us in the media or I mean fan bases,

(01:18:06):
we know that Russell Wilson is good, and Russell Wilson
it was an m v P candidate actually still is
an MVP candidates, second Team All Pro with the Associated
Press behind the mar Jackson who's likely going to win
an MVP, but Russell's never won an m VP, does
have the super Bowl title, but Patrick Mahomes is one
an m VP doesn't have the super Bowl. I'm surprised

(01:18:26):
that within the NFL that there is the thought that
Russell Wilson already is the guy, because I think that
we have grouped these quarterbacks together where Russell Wilson has
never been on top. That's what I that that I
find unique. It's funny as we're speaking about the quarterbacks,
I just wrote them all out and I kind of
paired them all together. I did, like a fun game.

(01:18:47):
Well we're talking all right, so I have like I
have Breeze and Brady. Those are like the two like
d like the legends, right, the automatic first ballot Hall
of Fame, and they've been in the league longer in
their forties and and got and got it done. And
then I have you know, Mahomes and Rogers. Those are
like the exceptional, like the armed talent guys that everyone

(01:19:09):
wants to compare and put together. And then I grew
up Lamar and Josh together because there was that no one.
No one believes in their arms, but their playmaking ability,
you know, running quarterbacks, and I group Russell and Carson together,
and those are the quarterbacks that can do the most
with the least. That's that's It's shown with the Eagles
winning the division with having no one to throw too.

(01:19:32):
And they've actually even had a bit of a bit
of a turnstyle at the running back position because Jordan
Howard has been digging, Miles Sanders, Boston coming through, Austin
Scott has been there. And then um, then the last
one are they're not sure is what Tannehill and Kirk Cousins. Yeah,

(01:19:52):
I just don't know, you know. I feel like with Tannehill, Um,
I'm sure he has made himself some dough, but I
don't think he had any pressure all season Ryan Tannehill
because everything was basically yeah, he just you know, Maryhoda
Mariotta got bentioned and you know he's the it was
his team. So I just come in there and I
can really do it wrong well. And I think that

(01:20:13):
you've seen the emergence of a j Brown to be
a target in Tennessee of of what they of of
a young guy that could maybe get some looks. We
see Derrick Henry led the NFL and rushing, so it
wasn't all on Tannehills Tannehill's shoulders. I think when you
break down those quarterbacks as you as you did that
Josh and and Lamar for as great as both have been,

(01:20:35):
the defenses have also been really good. I'm not trying
to take away anything from them. Yeah, they had they
had been for Baltimore is a little different because it
wasn't like that first half of the correct. Yeah, they've
they've gotten better. Marcus Peters edition actually has has been
improved to be. Yeah. I mean hate all of them,
but I think that I feel like Baltimore was already
set up for that. You know, they had they had

(01:20:57):
some new pieces, you know, Earl Thomas just came over
with the big contract, and they still still trying to
figure each other out. And I mean they lost t J. Jefferson,
which was huge, um, but I think they just finally
got on the same page and understood, Okay, this offense
can get can get it done, so defensively, let's figure
it out. And then when they added Marcus Pets that
has really elevated it. I think you can find some yeah,

(01:21:19):
the comps within this playoff picture of these two with
of of the two quarterbacks that you paired together in
the pairing of Russell and Carson Wentz, though, I think
that Russell's Russell's accomplishments in his career dwarf what Carson
Wentz has been able to do they do ever since
that injury, because that was that was Carson's chance. Carson

(01:21:41):
would have had an m VP and a Super Bowl
ring exactly and he definitely wo There's no question about that. Yeah.
And so when I see when I see that, and
it's not meant to be disrespectful to Carson Wentz, it's
also then you look at the two and in the
in the issue that I think you can look at
when you're talking about best of the best, and I
think that it is a transition year when you look

(01:22:02):
at the injuries, when you look at who didn't play,
who's out there's this middle ground and of the quarterbacks
that you laid out there will You've got the old
guard that you with Breeze, with Brady, You've got the
young guns, every style of quarterback that has made it,
except in the middle, like Russell is there by himself

(01:22:24):
like there's no other There is no other seven or
eight year vet that you look at and put in
the conversation of he could be the greatest, Like even
Deshaun Watson has been their three years, Mahomes has played
two years. Ben in Kansas to be three years. They're
still young in their careers. They're still young on their
rookie contracts like Russell. Outside of Andrew Luck who ends

(01:22:46):
up retiring, there's none of those middle guys that are
ready there to take the torch from a Tom Brady
or a Drew Brees or even an Aaron Rodgers who
could be riding off into the sunset the next couple
of seasons. That's what I think is so interesting two
about Russell Wilson's place at all of this is because
he's been around longer. He's more of the foundation than

(01:23:06):
those other guys. It's just that's like Russell is kind
of just in his own group and just kind of
doing it by himself, which I find intriguing when you
look at all these quarterbacks, you know, the seven of
the guys who have been in the league six seven years,
there's nobody really around him that that is challenging. So no,
right because since he came in the league, his his

(01:23:26):
run so far has has not been matched. So I
agree with right there, he's Will Blackman, I'm Dan Buyer.
What of those five duos that you wrote down, I
gotta Russell and Carson. Okay, then put that trio which
which which ones do you favor in this playoff run?
Then as in like which which qbs? Like if you

(01:23:49):
had yeah, if you had to pick of that of
that of that grouping, Oh my gosh, I feel like
that when we were in the huddle and I look
up at my QB, I'm going with Brezon Brady Rogers,
I am by, I'll go, I'll go Russell. I've been spoiled.

(01:24:13):
I thought Russell Wilson was the first half of the
MV was the MVP in the first half. He was
until he faced Lamar and lost, and then Lamar just
took off from there. I I feel I've been spoiled
because when I got drafted. Okay, my first quarterback ever
in the NFL was Brett Farve, and there was not
a game where we looked and we were like, we

(01:24:35):
can give up twenty one points and we'll be all right,
because we felt like far We'll get it done. And
then Farve retired. My next quarterback was Aaron Rodgers. It's like, dude,
you know, another one, you know, and then I go
and I was fortunate to be with playoff Eli. You know,
I was a playoff Eli or you know, he's a different,

(01:24:57):
different human being. And then I didn't play a full season,
but I had, you know, a sample of you know,
playing with Russell and to see how he went about it,
and he he was He's a different dude in terms
of like he wants to know everything, in terms of
how to prepare, what other guys do. He watches everyone else,
and he's he asked all the right right questions and
so he's phenomenal, you know. So I've been I've been

(01:25:19):
really blessed with that I think that the way that
he is is stepped up his game of just just
at each level, never missed a game, even when he
had a great three m c L. Yeah, and and
it looks scared. It was early on in the season.
I remember that that's that injury requires surgery. And I mean,
he's gotten better and better and better. I don't even

(01:25:40):
think I've given him enough credit for what he's done
in your own team. And sometimes you're too close, you know,
you can't see the forest through the trees. He's Will
black Man. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, we'll
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also try to figure out what the heck did Dallas
cow Boys are actually doing with Jason Garrett. That's coming

(01:26:02):
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R to listen live. I want to bring up a
point that we talked about earlier in the show. Find
Will on Twitter at Will Blackman. I'm at Dan Buyer
on Fox Will and I were debating on the New

(01:26:24):
England Patriots and if this is the swan song for
the Patriots dynasty. We mentioned that Speak for Yourself on
Fox Sports one has a countdown to the end of
the Patriots dynasty. I think the dynasty continues because Bill
Belichick is going to be there and even if Tom
Brady moves on, it continues. Rob ends up tweeting in
that saying, quote, not tied to Brady? Are you high?

(01:26:47):
Bill Belichick's record of New England with Brady is two
and twenty and sixty seven with all the other quarterbacks
nineteen and nineteen. He's never come remotely close to winning
anything without Brady. Uh did Brady make bellot check? The
stats reflect that John went off from the studio. This
was Rob. This was Rob saying this. Yeah, Rob was

(01:27:08):
tweeting in. The point is this is Bill Belichick isn't
tied to the hip with Tom Brad. I don't know.
I'm not sure. He just tried to take into my
my personal time and uh, never never been high. I
can say that. I can't say that, So he's off
on that mark. But the point is is that for
the greatness of Bill Belichick. Well, when Bill Belichick was

(01:27:30):
with Bill Parcels, he coached under Bill Parcels. They had
a great working relationship, but it wasn't like that they
were BFFs. And whatever Bill says goes. Bill Belichick ended
up going his own way to take the Patriots job.
It's why we've heard friction within the Patriots organization with
Brady and Belichick. It's why Jimmy Garoppolo was held on

(01:27:51):
to forever until they ended up finally trading him. It's
all because of that relationship. And sorry, Bill Belichick's his
own man. He had Tom Brady, he is a quarterback
for ten or twenty years. It's not he's not tied
to him. He led the Browns to the playoffs in um, so,
I'm just gonna let you know you're you're not gonna
win this argument. So I think I have maybe, uh

(01:28:15):
maybe our next guest will be joining us in just
a little bit. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout who joins
the Doug Gottlieb Show weekend in week out, joins us. John,
I don't know if did you did you hear any
of that of Will and mys discussion We're basically talking
about Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, and if this is
the end of what does it mean? My point, John,

(01:28:36):
is that Bill Belichick is the reason that it is
is the Patriots are the Patriots. So if Brady moves
on after this year, I think it's an end of
an era. But I think the Patriots still continue to win.
Will says, and I don't want to put words in
your mouth, Will, but that is not the case that
Brady is the reason. Would you like to wait in
would you want to add something before Brady is the reason?

(01:28:58):
I said without them too, Like there's not one without
the other. Okay, okay, John, would you like to weigh
in on this Patriots possibility of a dynasty coming to
an end topic? Well, I agree that like their combination
is the reason that they reached their heights, right, the
power of the two. But at this point in time,

(01:29:18):
like I think Belichick's is pretty well established that he's
the clear best coach in the league. Can coach literally
every position from the long snapper to the dB to
the offensive line. So moving forward like I have, I mean,
Tom's just three years old, You're just you know, you've
seen it slip a little bit, not all his fault,
but I would bet on Belichick and the Patriots. Let's

(01:29:40):
just say they get the middle of the road starter.
Let's just use this guy for example, like Andy Dalton
is a certain quarterback next year and they have an
off season to do what they do and Tom Leaves
goes to where the Bears raiders. Whoever, I would bet
that the Patriots are a playoff team next year. Now
when the division are like beating the Bills, that the
Bills keep getting better, like I think they of days

(01:30:00):
or just some lock. I mean, you saw this year
they're not a lock one or two seeds for the
first time and what ten years, But I think that
they would like they ain't going six and ten, you know,
I mean, he's he just out coaches people every week
like he is. Really that's just so I I think, yeah,
they would still be really good, but they do just
have question marks on their roster, some aging guys, some

(01:30:22):
huge holes, right, you know, just with playmakers on offense. Uh.
But yeah, I wouldn't like, look at the Patriots like
some average franchise. Next year if they had again, who
was going to be their starting quarterback? And that's a
question Mark, I wouldn't. I don't believe they would get dismantled.
I just think the dynasty aspect, I think they still
be competitive, but the whole dynasty, Yeah, to me, the

(01:30:45):
only way it would keep rolling. And I think you'd
use the examples of like the Packers that won for
like thirty years, they just went from farm to Rogers,
or the Niners went from Montana to Young They just
don't really Like if I told you that Jimmy had
never left and he was just waiting, you'd feel a
lot better about the team. But I think not having
a quarterback, it's hard to say, like it's not inconceivable
if Brady left they could have a crappy year because

(01:31:06):
they don't. We just don't know the quarterback. And I
think Bill Belichick is the best coach in the history
of sports when you factor in you know, a free
agency and all the stuff they dealt with, and I know,
you know, the division stuck and they've had some variables,
but they consistently beat people when it mattered, so uh
and Tom, I'm not discounting his importance to that, but
I just if you just told me who the quarterback

(01:31:27):
would be, I feel like pretty strongly that I could
be like, oh, yeah, they're going to the playoffs, or
it's gonna be a little tougher. He's John Middlecoff hosted
the Three and Out podcast on the Colin Cower Heard
Podcast Network, joining us here at the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Let's just stay with New England and and and move
into the playoffs would get to them some of the
coaching stuff a little bit later on whether they're supposed

(01:31:48):
to be bad tomorrow. How much does that play into
the hands of New England as they come in as
a favorite over Tennessee. Uh well, I just think that place,
you know, historically you just don't win and Fox screw
in January. It's pretty clear. But after last night, I
didn't watch the game live, I just read a lot
about it, Like the Fitzpatrick drive. I just last night

(01:32:09):
flipped into the fourth quarter and watched them take the
lead and then Ryan Fitzpatrick get the ball back and
drive right down the field and one takeaway it was, damn,
Devonte Parker looks pretty pretty dark good, but it was
they were going right after Gilmore every play. Who's you know,
arguably up until the last couple of weeks. You say,
you know, Tom being just some I don't want to

(01:32:29):
say a show of himself. But Gilmore was the best
player on their team in two thousand nineteen and he
got kind of worked and you go, Tom Brady didn't
lose him that game. Their defense could not get a stop.
So the Titans, who were better than the Miami Dolphins,
have guys like they're general manager and head coach. Know
how Bill thinks and how he game plans. One played

(01:32:51):
for him, the other work for him. And they have
just talented players. I mean, Derrick Henry is really good.
A J. Brown, for my money, would be the offensive
rookie of the year when you factor in. Once Tanny
Hill started, this guy became a top you know, six
seven receiver in the league. He's pretty dominant player. Uh. Defensively,
the Titans are solid. Titans big weakness I think over

(01:33:11):
the last like four or five years have been their dbs.
They're not a great coverage unit. But who It's not
like the Patriots are rolling out Randy Moss and less
welcome right now. So you go, the matchup isn't that terrible?
You know, you can smell like a Dori Jackson and
I'm a West Coast guy route for a Dory, but
he's not. He's He's much more of an explosive talent
than he is an actual cover guy. But who's running

(01:33:33):
right by a Dori Jackson for the Patriots? Now? Are
they really going to lose to Ryan tanney Hill and
Ryan Fitzpatrick and back to back weeks? It's hard to
kind of come to grips with that. But if they
were ever going to do it right, it would be
right now. They're not playing good again. Last week? To me,
last week says it all. They could not stop the
Miami Dolphins game. Must wins a little strong because they

(01:33:56):
didn't have to win that game, but they were trying
to win the game. They were trying to get a
buy and they could not get it done. It was
alarming to watch. He's John Mittelcoff hosted the Three and
Out podcast and the Heard podcast network. So let's go
to game one tomorrow, Texans and Bills. How much does
J J. Watt playing two in his return to the
Texans and what they do on defense? I'm sorry, I

(01:34:19):
just set it out loud and it sounds so stupid.
How much does J. J. Watt effect the Texas, but
it is a question going up against the physical Bills team.
I'm sorry, John, go ahead. Yeah, I always assumed the
pack injury, the torn pack was the A C L
of upper bodies. I mean, will you might know this
being around, guys have had it done. I don't know
if you ever had it. I thought now was a
serious injury. And now this guy is coming back. It's

(01:34:40):
pretty crazy to me that. No, that's that's like an
Achilles shore. You're done for the year. You know. That's
what I'm saying, right, And it's not just him. Kwon
Alexander the Niners linebacker, same thing he practiced. So maybe
they got some special healing power now with these pack injuries.
But I don't know. I'm not either. J J. J

(01:35:01):
J finds his way back. I'll give j J credit
on this. When he gets injured, and he's been injured
a lot the last three or four years, he attacks
rehab like he does a game. I mean, he gets
in there and just gets after it. Because he comes
back from these injuries. You want to keep writing them off.
But the trenches, especially the position he plays in his style,
is power. Using that power. I mean it's I guess

(01:35:24):
they wouldn't put him out there if he could reheard it,
But that seems kind of crazy to me. If he
was one healthy, I think this Texans team just throughout
the year would have been a lot better. I mean,
by the time he got hurt, I think he led
the league in pressures. And when I watched him, I
remember thinking, like, God, he doesn't quite look the same.
When he was in his peak. You know, he was
so athletic. He could do it all. He could power rush,
he could counter move, he could bend by guys. And

(01:35:47):
now he's just kind of become a little older and stiffer,
but he's still really good, and they've kind of missed that.
My thing though with them is they're so dependent. They're
kind of like an NBA team. They got like two
or three just explosive players and then just each other.
Randoms and will full are one of those guys. Is
I haven't seen the latest, but I assume he's not
gonna play. I mean, Hamstring with speed guys, and the

(01:36:09):
Bills match up pretty good. I'm like, if all you
got is Hopkins, and Hopkins is a stud, but the
Bills are a defensive oriented team with a defensive minded
head coach who's also a dB coach at heart. I
think they'll have somewhat of a game plan to just corral,
just send multiple guys at him at all times and
make the other guys beat you. And I'm a huge
Deshaun Watson guy, but he's been a little hit or

(01:36:30):
missed down the stretch. It's not all his fault. I mean,
he doesn't really have much to work with. I think
his game is gonna be a little harder than I
think people think for the Texans now, Josh Allen can
be a little inaccurate, and you know, how is he
gonna look on the road in the playoffs. That's a
major question mark. But I think the Bills defensively gotta
feel pretty good about their shot against this Houston offense.
He's John Middlecoff joining us here on Fox Sports Radio

(01:36:53):
as he does every Friday, previewing the action that we're
about to get in the National Football League. He's Will
black Man. I'm Dan Buyer. I want to move to
the coaching stuff. Are you surprised that we still doesn't
have an official answer on the Cowboys about Jason Garrett Now?
I mean, I think everyone just wants blood so fast,
and it's it's easy, right, Like it's easy to fire
Freddy Kitchens or Pat Shermer. You know, I saw, I've

(01:37:15):
seen it in my backyard the year that they were
getting Gruden and they fired Jack del Rio or Tom Sula.
You know, there is a human element to this, and
I think Jerry respects him now. It would be insane
if somehow he comes back, then we got a problem.
But if he's just kind of slow playing this to
let the what's the rush? Like who's he? Is he
missing out on? Interviews? Like are they what are they

(01:37:36):
missing out on? Like interviewing Robert Sala or Greg Roman,
Like cowboys can get those interviews if they want so.
I just think he's trying to do a respectfully you know,
kind of get a divorce. And it's difficult. You know.
I would say in this business, you don't for a
guy that never won anything, you're usually you don't get
that attached to him. But Jerry, before he even became

(01:37:57):
his head coach, Jared was really attached to him, right,
He played for him forever. They were clearly just tight,
like they have a family like relationship. I just think
it's a unique situation. You know, it really is. I
I don't think it. It only gets really weird if
somehow Jason survives. And then if you're a Cowboy fan,
I think we've got a problem. I've always said his
loyalty is the biggest issue. I mean, and look at

(01:38:19):
what it took from the Fireweight Phillips. I mean that
went on for a while. And that's how it is
in football in general. There's a lot of locals. He
gets a lot of coaches in trouble, a lot a
lot of coaches are hiring their friends as assistant coach.
That's supposed to getting guys where it's straight business because
they're a good coach. Yes, I think there's like a
there's a fine balance of you know. I think we're
all taught in life too, you know. I mean, loyalty

(01:38:41):
feels like in two thousand twenties kind of getting thrown
out the window in a lot of different places in life.
But you also don't want to be just a cutthroat
kind of a whole. But you also want to balance
of doing what's right for the organization and as long
as Jerry ultimately gets rid of him and does the
right thing, because He's given Jason every opportunity a man
in the boy. I also think Jerry showed you what

(01:39:02):
he actually thought by not even giving him some like
fake you know, one year extension. He made him coach
out as last year, which in any other business is
pretty normal, but for coaches, it's un normal to just
have one year romaining on your contract, and Jerry did that,
so they it's not like they weren't thinking that last
year coming into the season. He's John Middlecoff. Find him
on Twitter at John Middlecoff. Here, I'm on the three

(01:39:24):
at Out podcast that he's got on the Herd Radio
Network and every Friday here on the Doug gottlip Show.
Appreciated John Joyle wild Guard Weekend. We'll talk to you
next week. You're happy New year, fellas. Be sure to
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. That's the Cleveland
Brown said, coaching job. We don't know who's gonna get it.

(01:39:47):
We don't know who's the leader in the clubhouse. Eric
Bienemy interviewed a guy that you like is a candidate
for that Cleveland job. Yesterday, owner Jimmy HASSLM tried to
shed some lights on what the new head coaches roll
would be with the organization. I do think this sets
us up well to first hire a head coach and
then have the head coach be involved in the hiring

(01:40:09):
of the GM. I want to stress it will not
solely be the head coach's decision, will be a collaborative
process involving ownership and several other members of taught management,
if you will. As we hired the GM, does that
make the Brown's job more appealing knowing that the head
coach in general manager would be on the same page. Yes,
it does, and it's something that you think could lure.

(01:40:31):
Do you think it could lure a big name to
Cleveland that maybe the the the cast of characters the
Browns have the ability to choose for. Do you think
it's it's the same as the Cowboys or is it
tougher in Dallas because Jerry Jones is the guy who's
gonna be calling all the shots. It's tougher in Dallas,
and I think Cleveland's probably looking over at their relationship.

(01:40:53):
I guess that like Josh Schnyder and Pete Carroll have
you know both of you know where they have a
huge decision of factors in there. Um And yeah, it
would work because I know some coaches, especially now, they
want some say and what's gonna happen? I know Dan
Quinn has in Atlanta has finals say in the fifty
three um and so that's a it's a popular thing

(01:41:14):
that that does make it way more appealing. Is this
is this only something that can happen with a veteran
head coach? Like you can't give a young guy the
same billing of coming in like you wouldn't. I don't
know what happened with Kingsbury of of just him, but
does he have the same amount of input as Steve Kim,
the general manager would have of I think he may

(01:41:36):
have some input just based on you know, this is
his style of offensive style of play and Josh Rosen
was not the person. Sure, I I think you obviously
need some communication, of course, but I also think like,
but you can't, like can he can Kingsbury stay on
the table like we need this guard? I don't know?

(01:41:57):
And and coaches do that in draft rooms right or
scout do like we need you know, like like it's
standing up for what you know. So I don't think
that that is different. What I do think is unique, though,
is having a general manager bringing in a young guy
just take you know, John Dorsey and Freddie Kitchens probably
shouldn't have the same amount of power and to say
of what the roster is, Freddie Kitchens didn't deserve it. Now,

(01:42:20):
none of neither of them are there, hasn't been anywhere.
And that's what I mean, Like you can do this
with Mike McCarthy, or you could do this with a
veteran head coach that's Ron Rivera or somebody that's looking.
But I just don't think like if Eric b Enemy
comes in there, do you want to do you want
to do that? Do you want to have them on
the on the same level. I mean, I guess the
forty and did it with Kyle Shanahan and he and

(01:42:43):
John Lynch coming in and having that same amount of power.
But he's been I don't know, like Pete Carroll had
previous NFL coaching experience, Yeah, and and with the Patriots
as well, and so he came in he was back
in the NFL, and it was also something to lure
him from college. But the benefit, but the benefit would
be like hey, especially if Urban Myra, you know, took

(01:43:04):
a job like I, I recruited these kids. That was
Pete's mantage. Sure, he recruited all these guys. That's why
when it came down to Taylor Maze and Earl Thomas,
he's I'm gonna go Earl, and he was saying he
made the right decision. He did make the right decision.
I just look at we we hear these, We see

(01:43:24):
the examples that are in the playoffs, and I think
Ian Rappoport sent out a tweet earlier that said teams
like the Seahawks and the Saints and the Chiefs and
the Patriots all have that like combo of head coach
and GM having the same amount of say and maybe
the head coach even more. I just look at kind
of San Francisco and maybe even Buffalo a bit with

(01:43:47):
Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean of being the young guys.
You know, I guess I'm wrong in saying that, you know, Cleveland,
you know, couldn't do that with young guys. It just
seems to me it would be more enticing of a
veteran coach Mike McCarthy being like, all right, you're gonna
want to choose here because you have more problems and
get a coach who's gonna tell Baker to chill out
and play. Yeah, that's what you need at the end

(01:44:09):
of the day, that's what you need. They have players
over there. Who's going to manage all those personalities? Is
the question? He's will black men? Do you have the answer?
I have no idea. I when Dorsey was there, I
like being am going there just because you know they're familiar,
and I feel like being I mean, no, you know
his re respective man because how he used as a coach,
and also because he played football, and I feel like

(01:44:32):
in terms of like he's not going to be a pushover.
Now that Dorsey's out, you've got the ability. I don't know. Yeah,
now it's completely different scenario. He's well black man NFL
vets also NFL wine guy. That's where you can find
him on Twitter and that will block. You need to
say NFL wine guy with some enthusiasm. I don't. I'm
just trying to get through the list and at nine

(01:44:55):
guy there it is. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox.
It's where you can find me onto here and yell
at me for my Bill Belichick thoughts, since that seems
the thing to do on January three. Coming up next,
the NFL's MVP has a lot of motivation heading into
the playoffs. Find out why that's Coming up next. Be
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Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific the Press.

(01:45:21):
I couldn't do it without Brian Fenley, who joins us
hello'brien hey Dan So. Lamar Jackson has a chance to
write some of his wrongs from the postseason of last year.
He talked about this game that he played against the
Chargers last year in the wild Card game last year.
It motivates him to this point and he uses it

(01:45:41):
as fuel moving forward. It should motivate him because it
seems to motivate everybody who hates Lamar Jackson because now
the only thing that they can say against him is that, well,
look at what the Chargers did last year. So I
expect him to be motivated and I expect him to
play well when they play in all over a week.
So they been not drop seven dbs because they didn't

(01:46:02):
get the ball ran down their throat. Yeah right, yeah, yeah.
So the Giants are trying to figure out their new
head coach. Mike McCarthy is one who just had an interview.
The team reported this today. He's one of a seven
potential interviewees for this position. I think I think that

(01:46:25):
McCarthy ends up in Cleveland. That just seems the one
that ends up being connected so much. I don't know
who they would put in the GM. I don't know
if Elliot Wolfe would stay there in the front office,
But to me, it seems like New York and McCarthy Cleveland. McCarthy, Yeah,
a little bit more of a Listen. When McCarthy stepped

(01:46:46):
in front of the team his first year in Green Bay,
which is also my first year, the number one thing
that stood out to me he said, conflict is good.
Conflict is good because it gives you a chance to
hashings out and figure it out. So I guess what,
he goes to Cleveland and be a whole lot of confidence.
I I still I look at the Cowboys and playing

(01:47:07):
this winning game with Jason Garrett. I mean, guys are
gonna take jobs unless Jerry Jones has this guy already
lined up. If it's Urban Meyer or if it's Lincoln Riley.
That's the only excuse that I think, like the Cleveland
and New York are getting ahead a head start on
these these interviews in these players, because you don't even
know if the Dallas job is available right now. Al Right, guys,

(01:47:28):
Well we don't know exactly what Aaron Rodgers would say
about an endorsement for Mike McCarthy, but another once Packer quarterback,
and Brett Farve, said recently on an interview with Sirius
x M NFL Radio that he thinks McCarthy will quote
do a great job and that he calls him a
bright mind would be great for a young quarterback to
develop under there. It is, yeah, because the whole time Fithers,

(01:47:51):
our quarterback, he was developing. Aaron Rodgers marked out black
you and said when we did a show recently of
I mean the ter back competition, that you guys would
have to go up against the defense with Rogers and
far Right. So basically what I was saying is our
starters we had to go against far our backups, was
Aaron Rodgers. So we went into a game most quarterbacks

(01:48:14):
we've faced, we're not better than our backup. John Ramas.
By the way, I wanted to add something to our
conversation earlier about the great quarterbacks you got to play
with will in your pro career. John, you also made
this point, but you forgot about Matt Ryan college. You
know he did have He had the In fact, I

(01:48:35):
remember he came in as a um freshman, just lighten
us up in practice. And when he finally got his
chances of sophomore, remember we got to delay a game
because he didn't get the call in time. So he's
like nineteen years old. He goes to the sideline, talks
to Tom Oarbrian, who was a huge military background, and
absolutely lit up our entire coaching staff because he didn't
get the call on time, and then comes back to

(01:48:55):
the huddle, gets to call, cusses out all all American
tackle and looks at me. He was like, well be ready,
this is all the one sequence, boss nat. He gets
laid at, he gets drilled by by I think Mario Williams,
and then launch is a nice touchdown. To me. I
was like, this dude is ready to go. I'm happy
as hell. Ice Maddy Ice Ice, That's that's what he is.

(01:49:17):
He's Ice. He is. You got one more, yeah, guys, quickly,
forty Kwine Alexander. Of course he dealt with that pectoral injury,
so did J. J. Watt, and Alexander said that what
what went through as far as his recovery process, that
that has inspired Alexander to get back on the field himself.
I'm going to medicine out there. Yeah, there is. And

(01:49:39):
he's got another week to rest at least it out.
And that was the press alright, to quickly wrap up.
I think the Cowboys are making a mistake taking forever.
I think that the Bill Belichick era actually is the
dynasty in New England and not Tom Brady. And you
seem to disagree, right, fair enough. And I think that
Russell Wilson's on the verge, could be on the verge
of being the best quarterback in the National Fotball legg

(01:50:00):
and Will says. Those in the NFL actually are already
saying that, hey, it was a great week, Happy New Year,
We'll do it again soon. Enjoy the NFL playoffs. They
will be back up Monday. See it

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