Why LeBron James is like Sting

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depleted of the depleted Miami Dolphins. Uh. Emma Coburn's gonna
join us. She just won the gold medal in the
steeple chase at the World Championships. It's a fantastic story.
She's gonna share her tale with you and just how
big it was for us track and field in thirty minutes,

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Things First, which premiers in three weeks on Fox Sports.
One will ask him about players kneeling in the NFL
and if he agrees with my general premise that, um,
this hurts the perception that Colin Kaepernick is being kept

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out of the NFL because of his protests from last year.
All right, so that's upcoming later on the show. Fantastic
Show for You. There are stories from around the NBA
which continue to focus on Cleveland. The Cavaliers find themselves
fixated on a young star they want New York to
trade them. Christos perzingis to this point that Nicks have said,

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you can have anything else but KP. The Boston Celtics
are a potential landing spot for Kyrie Irving, as the
Calves like the idea of Jayson Tatum in Phoenix. The
Calves apparently want Bledsoe and Jayson Tatum in Denver. They
have their eyes set on Jamal Murray as well as
draft choices. These sources told Adrian ward Zanowski. But one

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of the big problems is no one knows what Lebron
is doing, even Cleveland, and because of it, it's really
hard to know exactly what Kyrie's value is or exactly
who wants to go play with Lebron, because if you're
gonna agree to play with Lebron, mm, Kyrie has to

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want out because he's not gonna be there next year
after next year, right, Like, there's so many signs that
are pointing to Lebron's potential exodus, aren't there James Jones
now in Phoenix there to recruit Lebron. James, the love
affair that the Lakers front office had with Rich Paul,
agent to Lebron James, Lebron is up next year. And

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of course Magic and Rob Polinka, that brain trust of
the Lakers have made it known to everybody we want
not one about two superstars next year to come play
with our team, and we're gonna move heaven and Earth.
They make sure, but we have that salary space. That's
what they've done this year. Oh yeah, and then there's
Lebron talking about needing a place to play pick up basketball.

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When referring to Los Angeles, he referred to l A
as home. Mhm. Yesterday, he tweeted out that Magic Johnson
has always been there for him. A Happy birthday to
Magic Johnson, a close friend who has always been there
for him. Huh lots of signs, more signs now than
even when his his now wife then. I still believe

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they were girlfriend. I don't remember when exactly got married.
Remember when she was packing up all of the cars
in Miami before the decision to move back from Miami
to Cleveland was There's an additional story from Black Sports
Online which they apparently they listened to Richard Jefferson's podcast.
I have. Richard Jefferson's podcast is really good. I have

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not downloaded it. You can download the Doug Godly Show
podcast Shameless plug Shameless when it's your own um. Downloaded iTunes,
Fox Sports Radio dot Com. Don't be fade to rate
it as well. Anyway, they listened to Richard Jefferson's podcast
and when asked about Darren Williams, Richard Jefferson said, when
you talked to Darren Williams about playing golf, his eyes

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light up. He was asked about coming off. What about
when Darren was when we asked him about coming off
the bench for the Cavaliers, his eyes did not light up.
Is it fair, at least on some level to surmise
that there's a little bit of ah, a little bit
of Axel Rose m hmm. Maybe not actual Rose, because

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Axel Rose super talented lead singer for Guns and Roses.
Axel Rose is more like Carmelo Anthony. Right, everyone will
admit that Axel Rose has a hollacious amount of God
given talent, but because you don't know if he's gonna
show up for a show, and if he does show
up for a show and you're really good, he might

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not get along with his bandmates. Talent only takes you
so far if you can't get along with everybody. Axel
Rose Carmelo Anthony, same guy. Everybody thinks Melo has a
ton of talent, but when others have succeeded in Melo
hasn't gotten the spotlight. He hasn't been as happy, He
hasn't been able to do it in New York. Not

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all of it is his fault, but enough of it is.
Axel is more like Carmelo Anthony. Um m hmm. Could
he be like David Lee Roth. David Lee Roth, of
course back a jump Hot for Teacher was lead singer

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of Van Halen when Van Halen first bust on the scene, right,
and in truth, like Eddie, van Halen is more like
Dwyane Wade, like always good, maybe never see, maybe never
recognized as the elite superstar that he is. But Eddie
Van Helen's awesome. Case in point. You put Shack with

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Dwyane Wade, they win a title. You put Lebron with
Dwyane Wade, they win a title. You put David Lee
Roth with Edie Van Helen, They're awesome. You put Sammy
Hagar with David with Van Helen, They're also awesome. There. Okay,
so I'm trying to find David Lee Roth did eventually
come back to Van Halen and it didn't work, But

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I don't even think that's the one. MHM, Is there
a Is there an iconic singer musician who is great
but just every and respected and wherever he goes or

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she goes, they have platinum records, they have sold out concerts,
and yet it's just not that much fun. M Maybe sting,
Maybe sting. We were looking, we were trying to search
for the parallel. And Steve Gorman Sports comes up after

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this show on Fox Sports Radio and and he has
a much greater depth of music knowledge like my music knowledge.
I know a ton of actually I know way too
much about pop music as my kids. I like a good.
I like hip hop, R and B hardcore rap because
I do, and we like a little kind of we
like I got, and even alternative, especially you go nineties.

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Occasionally I'll throw on a flannel shirt and some jeans
and some Doc Martin's and I'll rock out to some nineties,
you know, early century alternative. That said, I can't tell
you a ton about the early formations of bands, right
like I know? Do Do I know that Pearl Jam
used to be Mookie Blaylock? I do, But I can't

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tell you about different band members for different bands and
the different incarnations of them. But I do know the
story of Sting because I remember there was a behind
the music, may I remember behind the music? So there
used to be really good and Sting burst on the scene,
but the band couldn't stay together. Police couldn't stay together
because of well Stings sort of kind of ego. The

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Police reformed in nineteen seven by drummer Stewart Copeland, along
with a school teacher, Gordon Sumner, that's Sting's name. If
your name was Gordon, you'd go by Someting too, and
Andy Summers. Within a year they were Rocks big thing,
but tensions began bubbling over as Sting took control of
the band, the others began to feel like his employees,

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and he began fighting like crazy, even as the band
got bigger and bigger and bigger. I mean, like, look,
I'm not trying to say that Kyrie is Stewart Copeland
or Andy Summers, but he was one of the founding
members of this and he did hit the game inning shot,

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the big shot against the Golden State Warriors. And what
has Lebron James done. He's taken control of the band.
The others began to feel like his employees. Dude, his
agent represents half the team, does not, by the way,
represent Kyrie. Irving the owner fires that or doesn't re

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up the GM. And even though Lebron claims that he
was sad to see the GM go, if he didn't
want the GM gone, the GM would still be there.
Everybody's operating as if it's Lebron James team, and for
all essential and potential purposes, it is. It's his town,
it's his team, it's his league. But the police broke up,

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and the breakup of the Calves, as I've stated before,
is as much Lebron's fault as it is Kyrie's and
now you're left with the tricky Wait a second, how
are we going to get appropriate value when any sort
of veteran thinks I don't want to be the last
one out of Cleveland, and any team knows even though

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I want, I'd like to move heaven and Earth to
get Kyrie Irving. I got Kyrie for two potential years.
Is that worth trading away one of my young burgeoning stars,
Lebron closer to Sting than he is David Lee Roth
than he is Axel Rose. It's not like we haven't
seen this before, the infighting of bands, and no one

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questions stings, competence, stings, talents hell. Sting is still Jim
and he goes to Staples Center, the Rose Bowl, he
goes out to MetLife in New York. They still sells out.
He's still Sting and he's one of those guys that
like the older he gets like as still a good
looking dude. Right. I am not that there's anything wrong
with going the other way, but I am a straight

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heterosexual male. I will tell you like Sting as a
good looking as a good looking older dude. He didn't
dance around and then special about it. He just stands
up there and sings, and he's got a scruff, working
and crystal blue eyes. He's stilling, he like, and he's
got the great nickname. I'm sting all right, bron same way, respected,

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getting better, more refined, more efficient, incredible to watch, even
though the miles keep piling up. But that doesn't mean
it's easy to be in a band with him. Um
we played for yesterday. Something Colin Cowhard said about the
SEC essentially ding Dong the witch is dead, witch which

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the SEC witch, ding Dong the SEC, which is dead,
that the SEC's era of dominance is over. I'll tell
you why we should have in this coming and while
it's and and while why though I partially agree with him,
let's not act like the SEC is still not the
best college football conference. I'll share my thoughts with you

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or how's how young they are? One they don't know
this song. Two they don't even know when Eddie Murphy
sang this song in forty eight Hours with Nick Nolty.
Because when I say Nick Nolty and you're young, thirty
five or younger, you think Nick Nolty when he was arrested,

(13:01):
Nick crazy, Nick Nulty here right, Nick Nolte and Eddie
Murphy and forty eight hours was amazing. It was amazing.
There's one that needs to be remade, right like you
can never be a Beverly Hills Cop. Like Beverly Hills Cop,
I don't think we'll ever be remade. May have already
been remade, we didn't know it. I do think that
forty eight hours could be remade. I do think so. Um.

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Speaking of buddy cop movies, have you seen the ads
for Nick Wright and Chris Carter there's new show. First
things first, the print adge look like a buddy cop movie.
They really really do. I want to know if that's
what they were shooting for a man. Nick Right's gonna
join us in one hour. Emma Cockburn's gonna join us.
If don't know who Emma Coburn is um. No American

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had ever meddled at the World Championship and the three
thousand meters steeple chase before this year. She won the
gold medal as really remarkable she she took him the
bronze last year. Is the first American woman to ever
medal in the event at the Olympics. That's going back
to last here, So she went from bronze to gold.
Incredibly emotional moment. She's gonna join us in about eight

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and a half nine minutes. I'm fired up. I'll tuck
a little US track and field because while everybody, my
estimation is we have a tendency, I'm just as guilty
of it as anybody. Uh we we will talk about
Usain Bolt Jamaican. Of course, he lost his last hundred
meter dash, lost to Justin Gatlin. My allowed to wonder
about Justin Gatlin. I am allowed to wonder about Justin Gatlin.

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I am not thirty five years old, fastest fastest man
on earth who has previously been banned for p E
d U s. I'm allowed. There's no one there. There's
Jeff Passons not gonna be tweeting about me wondering about
about Justin Gatlin. Am I I don't think so. Anyway,
he lost that and then he lost in the relay.
He got pulled up lame in the relays. So um,

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but that's all that. I think the American sports fan
has talked about. This. Emma Coburn story is remarkable. She's
gonna join us upcoming in ten minutes. So yesterday we
laid for you that. Colin Calhert basically said and then
basically he did say this, you are the worst coached
major conference. You have ten coordinators masquerading his head coaches. Okay, um, Look,

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his take is it comes down to the coaches, and
I think coaches one it chose their value right because
it there's a reality to it in that coaches go
to coaches go somewhere. Nick Saban wherever he's gone, l
s U and Alabama has competed for in one national championships.
The reality, the perception was Michigan gets Jim Harball, They're

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gonna get their stuff together. They haven't one yet, they
haven't won anything big yet, but the perception has changed
and the reality will will soon follow. They've gone after
they've paid a bunch of money to go and get
Urban Meyer and Ern Meyer has come through with the
national Church. Even though Meyer's Ohio State team was embarrassed
in the national semifinal, we we we forget that, we

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dismissed that right and the truth be told, when they
won the national championship, they probably shouldn't have been in
the National Championship. It was only because they curb stomped.
Was constant the Big Ten Championship game where Wisconsin laid
down with their third string quarterback Cardale Jones playing for
Ohio State that they got a second life, a second opportunity,
took advantage and won the first college football playoff. So

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some of it is perception, some of it says misremembering
in the past. Some of it is reality. Like Jim
mclwain I do think is the guy to fix Florida,
but last year he lost Will Greer, his starting quarterback
to a p D suspension. People make fun of Butch Jones,
but he actually did an incredible job considering I think

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they lost like seven starters on defense to injury and
oh that a SEC is dead. Like they played and
beat Virginia Tech in their nonconference game, like they played
and beaten teams in Florida, beat Miami so bad, Miami
fired their coach. Uh. Look, Georgia went through a coaching change,

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went through a transition. South Carolina has returned since Spurrier
uh now retired. Spurrier left when they're at the bottom.
I think the big thing that's hurting the that hurt
the SEC is the same thing that's hurt the Big Twelve,
the same thing that hurt the Pack twelve, and the
same thing that hurt the Big Ten. For years, no

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matter how good your league is, unless you're most famous teams,
unless you're blue blood teams are competing for championships year
in year out, you're not deemed to be as good
of a conference. That's just the way it works. For
the how many thirteen straight year the SEC had the

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most players drafted in excuse me, eleventh straight year the
SEC had the here here's the note, had the most
players drafted in the NFL. Remember, they have more teams.
They more teams then, for example, the Big twelve only
has ten teams. The league had twenty three players taking
the final rounds Saturday to increase the three day total

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of fifty three. That's ten more than the SEC. So
thirty forty three to thirty two, the Pac twelve edge,
the Big ten thirty six to thirty five. And look,
there's been a ton of bus from the SEC the
Trent Richardson's of the world, the Jamacus Russells of the world,

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the Johnny Manzels of the world. The Derek you know,
Derrick Henry from Florida was a bust number eight overall.
Troy Williamson, remember he went seven to the Vikings. Rolando
McClean retired early at all kinds of issues when he
was drafted tenth overall by the Raiders. Tim Tebow, I
don't know if you'd call him a bust, right. Tim

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Tebow is a first round traffick who did become a
starter and then flamed out of the NFL. But it
was a starter. I mean, his career was actually kind
of actually average or maybe even above average for most
NFL player. It's just not for a quarterback. But the look,
the Big twelve has had plenty of bust. My alma mater,
Justin Gilbert Bus Brandon Weeden, like now he's a third
string quarterback in Houston. Justin Blackman, all Oklahoma steak guys.

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So to me, I think part of it is the
perception created by Harbaugh. And I think Penn States finally
got their stuff together, and like, look, if Nebraska ever
figures it out, that's an incredibly dynamic league. Everybody's always
realized that UM Clemson has has been closed for years.
Deshaun Watson helped put them over the top, but they've

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been viable for years. But what's changed is in the
Pack twelve, usc being back changes the perception of the league.
In the Big Twelve, when Texas and Oklahoma are both
top ten teams, it'll change the perception league. And what's
changed for the Big Ten is Michigan and Ohio State

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and Penn State are all seen as elite caliber teams.
And even if the rest of the league isn't nearly
as good as the rest of the SEC, people only
pay attention to the top. Much like Emma coleburn is
gonna join us moments. We only pay attention to the
hundred meter dash four by the sexy events in track

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and field, you will, That's just how we work and
in college sports. Even if Alabama, Alabama's dominance is much
like Kansas dominance in the Big Twelve, like like you
ask a basketball fan, like how good league is a
Big twelve like overrated, Like really, Oklahoma's in the Final four,
not this year, the previous year. I know they're beating

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by forty four points, but they were in the in it.
Baylor has been to what three Elite eights now Kansas
one national championship in a multiple Final Four's true, they
have not broken through in the last five years and
they continue to dominate the league. But until Kansas and frankly,
you know, whether it's my own mad or Texas, somebody
else steps up. And the same thing in football. Until

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Texas and Oklahoma are fighting for more than just the
Red River rivalry, for fighting for a Big twelve title
and for conference supremacy and to be in the College
football playoffs, it won't be recognized as such. What's happened
the SEC is Florida has They didn't have the offense
and now they got mc owaine and they're close. But

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gotta figure out quarterback. L s U has to figure
out quarterback. George has always been a tease. There isn't
that second super competitive team. And though the Pac twelve
had it with Stanford and Oregon, because it wasn't the
sexy school like USC the PAC twelve until recently wasn't
deemed to be as a leade as some of the

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other leads. The SEC hasn't lost its dominance. It was
never as dominant as it was perceived, and they're not
as down as Collinwood perceived them. The difference is the
name caliber of the head coach, which only proves their
value to anybody's like, why are these guys overpaid? Because
the players come, the fans come, and the perception comes,

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and usually usually not always, that leads to the winds coming.
We as a country were never good in the steeple chase.
Now of a sudden, we have a world champion in
the steeple chase. The steeple chase is the one where
they jump over water and huge hurdles, right, like, oh,
it's like a legit obstacle course on a track. We're

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gonna We're gonna talk with the world champion in the
steeple chase. How that became her discipline and why no
other US woman ever decided to dominate it before Doug
Otlive Show, Fox Sports Radio. There are certain events that
are always fascinated by in sports. You're like, I don't
rely know all that much about him. Steeple chase is
that event for me? Right? Because it actually seems like

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a super athletic competition. You gotta and you gotta jump
over stuff. They put water out there, right, like, it
actually seems like instead of just can you run from
point A to point B? I know that there's there's
different technique into running different distances. But we're now joined
by a world champion. That's cool. I mean think about that.

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That's one of those I would love to forget about
being Emma Cockburn. I just like to be Emma Colburn's
hype man, right, world champion? What then? Wait, hold on,
I'm sorry, we don't have any seating. She lives in Boulder.
Fiance's or coach shows are coach right? I can just
imagine a walking into like her favorite restaurant. There's no
seats available, right, and they're like, um, do you have

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seating for a world champion? Emma Coburn joins us on
the Doug Outlive show on Fox Sports Radio. How does
it feel to be announced as a world champion? Um?
It definitely makes me smile. And I hear you say
that it's still it's very new. Um, it's only even
a few days now, but it feels great, and it
just feels like a culmination of you know, years of

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hard work and UM, and yes, it's an achievement that
I'll get to you know, keep with me forever. So
I'm really proud of it. Well you should. You should
be proud of it's amazing. First American woman to win
a steeple chase gold on a global stage since nineteen
fifty two. Okay, so take me back, like, when did you?
I know you? For you for see you? You know

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you ran for the Buffaloes and you were a track
star there, But when did you start the steeple chase?
When did that become your discipline? I started doing the
steeple chase in high school actually, UM, and that's kind
of the reason I was recruited to run at Colorado. UM.
And then I did it in the two thousand and
twelve Olympics and the two thousand and sixteen Olympics, and

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since two thousand and thirteen have been a professional running
for New Balance and so UM, I've been doing it
for quite a while. But I was definitely the underdog
coming into this race. And no, even though I'm a
veteran of the event. No one expected me to, you know,
to pull off the victory. I know, my own coach

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or family. Wait wait, wait, wait, So Joe didn't think
Joe's your coach, he's also your fiance. He didn't think
you got the bronze at the Olympics, going back to
last year. So he did he say like, you got
you got no shot here, like to take me through
the race prep and what his honest confidence level was. Um,
he didn't say you I have no shot. But the
conversation was that on a perfect day, I could sneak

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on the podium. So on a perfect day, I thought
maybe third um. And so yeah, he just kept telling
me to stay tough and run in the front um,
you know, stay with the leaders as long as I could.
And so I followed his advice and by the end
I was feeling great and feeling really strong. So I

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took the last water jumps really hard and came off,
you know, the last hundred meters in the lead, and
I couldn't believe it. And and when I saw him,
both of us just kept going what you know, we
couldn't believe it. Okay, So what I'm like the steeple
chase seems like a uh yet to be more well
rounded than just a distance runners three thousand meters, which

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is how many laps around is three thousand meters. I'm
not good with matt seven and a half lap. Okay,
that's a lot. That's a lot. Because I'm one of
those like once I get somebody say run the mile,
I'm like two miles. No, no thanks, that's just just
short of two miles obviously, but you're also running. You said,
there's the water jumps. Um, how come like we have
great athletes, we have great track and field men and women.

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I think back historically, like my first first time I
laid eyes on track and field was at the eighty
four Olympics in l A. I grew up in southern California.
Was uh, Jackie Joyner Kersey, that was Carl Lewis. I
was Edwin Moses. But I we've never been good in
the steeple chase until you Why, well, there's definitely been
some good steeple chasers before me. But I think that, um,

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the whole events across you know, the top few men
and women UM in the US are really just good
athletic um, you know runners, And I think we're starting
to become veterans in the event and starting to become um,
you know, tactically racing better and training harder, and um,

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you know, we're more used to being in those situations.
So I think just time, honestly, UM, has allowed me
to kind of master the event a little bit more.
And I do think that, like you said, this people
chase takes a little bit more athleticism. And you know,
if you look at the body types of the top
women in the US, we're all pretty strong, and we're um,

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you know, we're all pretty long and lean and uh
powerful compared to some of you know, some of the
distance runners out there, So we are uh. It definitely
takes a special set of skills. But I feel like
I've just been in the sport long enough to um,
and I've been in the steeple chase long enough to
feel like I'm starting to master it. So you've been
a six time national champion, now a world champion, Emma

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Coburn joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. As good as you felt and looking
at Joe and and doing the what when you won,
then you turn around and you realize that that Courtney,
your teammate ends up finishing seconds. So it's not just
Americans getting gold, gold and silver. How much did that
add to it? And you know, in comparison to just
winning on your own, it was really exciting. Um, Courtney

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and us, we don't train together, but we're you know,
we're friends, and we representing USA together is always such
a you know, such a fun thing to do. So
turning around and seeing that we were able to win
both gold and silver was such a surprise and so fun.
And during the race, she was right next to me,
and you know, and seeing her presence there really gave

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me the confidence, you know, to keep pushing the pace
and keep pushing forward. So I think we were uh,
you know, I don't think anyone expected that to happen.
And you know, Courtney ran a really big personal best
in that race, so I don't think anyone was expecting
her to be that high up. But it was really
fun to get to do the victory, laughed together and
hold the flat together and go through that whole experience. Um.

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And then the video of your sister Gracie. I know
by now you've seen it, it's gone viral, r curing
you how long after the race. Did you see that video?
It wasn't until the next day, actually, Um, And it
just made me smile so much. And I she lived
just down the street for me, so I see her

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every day, and um, you know, we she's my best
friend and we spend so much time together and she's
seeing me through injuries and good times in my career
and sad moments in my career, and so you know,
it really does feel like it's it's her victory as well. Um.
And so it was really sweet to get to see
her reaction. And she's a little embarrassed about about how,

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you know, how her voice gift and how loud she gets,
but I think it's really really adorable there. Look, there's
a lot of discussion about what to do during the
Star Spangled banner. I've I've played in international basketball events,
and I've always told people, like, of the moments in
my life that I feel as memorable as an athlete,
I've never been a world champion or anywhere close to

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your level. Emma. Emma Coburn joining us. She's the world
champion of three thousand meters steeple chase. Just when it
last Friday in London, at the World Championships, first woman
in uh No American had ever medaled at the World
Championships in the three thousand meters steeple chase. Also a
bronze bronze medal winner going back to last year's Olympics
in Rio, Desanarro of the of the great moments in
my life, let alone my athletic life, the one that

(30:45):
I was brought to tears by and shaken by was
when I heard the Star spangle banner. Standing up on
a podium. What is that moment like though? As a
world champion and you know, you got a Kenyan who's
they're used to standing at top, but here in the
canyon national anthem instead you hear the star Spangled banner
and you realize it's plagued for you, and it's played

(31:05):
for Courtney when you have that gold medal around your neck.
It was it was unreal. I kept um in the
stadium had sixty thou people sold out and everyone was
standing and you know, for the metal ceremony as well
and for the national anthem, and it would come in
waves that it would hit me thinking this song is

(31:27):
for me, and all these people are standing and respecting
the American flag right now because of you know, my race,
and so it would kind of come in waves and
hit me and um, feel very surreal and and I
was so so happy and um, you know, singing a
little bit and just kind of an out of body experience.
It just didn't feel like that was um, it just

(31:50):
didn't feel like that was my life or my a
thing that I ever expected to get to experience. Well
you did, and it was I was standing. I mentioned
that your fiance Joe's now your coach. You made that
change going back to July. So now like he's got
even though you won, he's got hand in the relationship.
You realize that, right, Like he's like, look, you never

(32:10):
won a world championship, you're a bronze medalist. Then you
go with me and it's gold. So like he's he's
kind of got a hand, he's got a uprehend in
this relationship. Yeah. Yeah, he says, uh, you know, he
says he should retire. Well he's one for one. You know,
he's fat in a thousand right now. So he's, um,
he's done a great job. And yeah, I started working

(32:31):
with him in UM as my coach in October after
Rio and He's been a big part of my career
the whole time we started dating in high school and
so he's been you know, by my side through it
all and seeing, um, you know, seeing everything I've gone through.
So it felt really nashural for him to be my coach,
and it just feels great that we get to kind

(32:51):
of share the pinnacle of sport. We get to share
this moment together as athlete and coach and also as
a couple. Um, we're getting married and Otober and so
it's been a great year and we're excited to celebrate
once the season's over. You should wear the gold medal
walking down the aisle. I'm just saying, like, if I
if I was like if I was a world champion
in any event, I would not I would never take

(33:13):
it off, especially you know, on on that because it's honestly,
getting married now your second biggest day. I hate to
I hate to say that to Joe, but it's that's
your second biggest day. I know, I know, it's it's
been a heck of a ride together and um, you know,
of the nine years in our relationship, this is probably
the best moment, you know, and that day was the

(33:34):
best day um that we've shared um and so it'll
be hard for the wedding to top it, but you
know it'll be in its own room, a very special memory.
Open bar open. But listen, I don't give many much advice.
Open bar is my biggest piece of advice. And if
you don't want to pony up, tell tell New Balance
you got a pony up. We gotta have open bar
at the wedding. Oh yeah, don't worry, we got that covered. Yeah,

(33:58):
it's gonna be a big celebration. You know, during the
racing season it's it's pretty uh strict life, you know, lifestyle,
and so when the season is over, it's it's a
lot of fun. And so the open bars definitely our requirement. Emma, congrats,
thanks so much for joining us and enjoy enjoy that
that victory lap. Being a world champion. Thank you so
much for having me. That's Emma Coburn, who's the world

(34:20):
champion the three thousand meters steeple chase. That's the one
where they run around seven and a half times and
they jump over a bunch of stuff. And we've never
had anybody who's any good and she's the best in
the world. There's the there's a summation of it. I
would never take the gold medal off. I want to
point that out. What are the chances Kirk Cousins finishes
his career with the Washington Redskins. I'll tell you next

(34:44):
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Let's welcome in eisen Lowan Crown. As he digs in,
I said Isaac Loancron. No, I said Isaac Loancron. No, no, no, no,

(35:09):
you guys you jumped on me before. I haven't finished
pronouncing Isaac Loankron's name. It's maybe I did not pause
in between. Let's welcome to Isaac Loankron as he digs
into my side. Let's reach into Godly's sack. Doug, great
to be with you again. A plethora of good stuff
in your sack today at CORNA copia, plethora, you name it,

(35:31):
and I think, what's this? Yes, we have a winner.
What are the chances today? We begin with Washington quarterback
and free agent to be Kirk Cousins he told South
pal Antonio he wants to finish his career in our
nation's capital. No word yet on whether Cousins realizes that
Daniel Snyder still owns the team, But anyway, he said, quote,

(35:53):
when you look at the best of the best, those
quarterbacks played with one team, and if you point to
a couple of guys who didn't, it really is against
their will. I think if Joe Montana or Peyton Manning
had their way, they would have stayed where they had
won Super rules and played so well. Unquote, what are
the chances Kirk Cousins finishes his career in d C

(36:16):
at best? And and look, just because he said it
to salpal doesn't mean he means that. It's something you
have to say, right, you have to put the pressure
on somebody else. Chance. Look, they open up with the Eagles,
who were not a good team, but that is a
division rival rivalry. Then they come out and take on
the Rams, who have a tremendous defense and by the way,
are coached by their former offensive coordinator. He should have
a good feel for what they're trying to do. Home

(36:37):
to the Raiders playoff team. Then too, kanc City take
on the Chiefs. They have a difficult look at their
road games. Okay, out of division at Kansas City, arguably
the toughest place to play in the a f C,
at Seattle, toughest place to play in the NMC, at Dallas,
arguably the best roster in the NMC um and against
the Sandy Good Chargers on the road. I think they're

(36:59):
gonna have a dis appointing year, and I think he'll
be elsewhere next year, and so inevitably at this time
when that other chance pays off, we will be referring
back to the quote that you just heard. Video has
emerged from a recent practice showing Jacksonville Jaguars receiver Alan
Robinson expressing his displeasure and frustration at Jacksonville quarterback Blake

(37:23):
Bortles after an errant throw. Listen that roughly translates to
keep the ball inbounds, bro without his backdrop. What are
the chances that Blake Bortles is benched before the end
of the season. I'd say he's not been chance. I

(37:45):
do think that, Like, look, guys in practice say stuff
to other guys way different than how you may perceive it.
That was Scott Leads said, chance of getting one a couple,
one of the one of the chances. Um, you know
there's a there's a finite there the is it? There's
no finite timeline for certain things, right like when should

(38:08):
you get a new car? When should you leave one
job for another? How long should a relationship last? How
long after you go on a date should you text
the girl? And maybe it's Is it possible? Is it?
Is it just possible that the NFL waited too long

(38:31):
not to text back girl, but to get in a
relationship again with the city of Los Angeles? Is it
possible that the NFL missed that window? Timing is everything right?
I think it's possible. I'll share it with you. Why
next in the Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio? What up?

(38:56):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio? Timing is everything right now? Look,
I haven't been on the dating scene in quite a while,
and I hate to, right, so I had forgive me
if I have no game, forgive me. I think I

(39:17):
would like to believe that if I was on the scene,
I have a little bit of game to me, right,
But I have no idea, no idea. My game back
when I had game was I'm basketball player. Right, Like no,
but I was. I could carry on a conversation. I
was different than many of my teammates. I'm shorter, right.

(39:38):
Never forget my When my now mother in law was
then my girlfriend's mom, I came to visit her house
first time, went over for dinner. They were like, she's like,
where's the basketball player? Like, hey, true story, Hey, look,
same thing happened when I was on my visit to
Notre Dame. It's true story. When I was on my
my official visit to Notre Dame. This is the fall
of They play Michigan and football and everybody coaches, other recruits, staff.

(40:04):
They walked in. I was like the last guy and
I was like looking around and we walked in. There's
place called Loftist, which I still think they have is
the indoor practic facility. I was the last one in
and like the security guard stopped me and he's he said, uh,
where are you going. I was like, well, I'm basketball recruit.
I'm going with the basketball coaches in to watch the
football team work out in the basketball team workout. He's like,

(40:24):
you're a basketball players. Yes, I am sure you are, right.
So it's not like the first time that's ever happened anyway.
Back when I was on the scene, I thought I
had a little game. I have no idea if I
had game. But if I did have game and was
on the dating scene, that the first question I think
I would have. There would be a lot of questions.
But after you go on a date, it's still the

(40:46):
three day rule. Right, you go on a date, is
there three days before you text music? You've been singing?
You're not single now, but you've been single and you're
like eighteen, so you on the teenybop seventeen and a half.
But thank you for the generosity. Um, how long after
you go on a date are you supposed to send
a text? I usually do it like the next day

(41:11):
at some point, or the day after that. Okay, Now,
you you and your girlfriend at times you live in
sin Sorry to give that one away, but you actually
live in different places. So if you go on a
date and she drives home, has herself home, you text
to check in to make sure she got home, okay?
Or is she supposed to check the text in? Or
do you text her a little like hey it was

(41:32):
a great night, or like a little note or again
like no texting at all for a couple of days
back when you were just dating. Maybe. Man, Yeah, I'm
trying to think back. I mean, it's not that long ago, dude,
You've only been dating for like six months. Like I remember,
I have been married for seventeen years, got you by
I don't know, sixteen and a half years, dating for

(41:53):
eighteen and a half years. Yeah, so, but my memory
is a little bit more foggy for a reason. No,
I never I never did the check in to make
sure she got home safely because we would date in
this area and she literally lives down the street. Doesn't matter.
I mean the check in chicken. I never. I never did. Okay,
so apparently there's but is that still the rule like

(42:14):
three days after because I never waited the full three days.
I always waited like either the next say or the
day after with plans like hey, let's go out again
this Friday or something like And if you have I'm
an over communicator, so I have a tendency to I
probably would. I would be the guy that would text
too much, Like you get get out the phone and
still send a text like that was a great conversation.
That would be my my thing. There's also women have

(42:36):
us on a schedule as well, Right Like, there's the
amount of time which you had to be dating before
you make the we know what we're talking about, the
progression right holding hands, yes, holding hands into yes, mugging
down into mugging down to an Oklahoma expression for kissing, scamming,
making out, whatever you wherever you call, whever you anyway,

(42:57):
there's like a certain there's like a perfect time for it,
and you can it can be a little bit too
early or a little bit too late, and too late
oftentimes can actually be better, right like making somebody makes
you want things more, but you can't wait too long.
Could I offer up the possibility that one of the
reasons the charges we're going to charge your camp tomorrow.

(43:18):
And for the record, I am a Charger fan. I
like the actually like the team, and I love the
fact that the team is practicing in like my backyard,
not not literally more figuratively um but very close to
where I live is where the Chargers are going to
have their facilities. I love that. And unlike the Rams,

(43:40):
they know who their quarterback is, Like I think they
got some really good offensive weaponry. They lost Paramount today
for eight to ten weeks when the star linebackers, that's
that's not good. Shredded his ankle um I kind of
a random play in the first preseason game. But like
I I don't think the chargers inability to fill stub
Hub for the first preseason game is the charge his

(44:00):
fault specifically. I think and look, the Rams had a
big crowd for some of their games and then it waned.
I kind of feel like there's the chance that the Chargers,
not the Chargers, the NFL, waited too long. Habits are
really really hard to break. What is your week what

(44:21):
is your weekend routine or weekend habit. I'll just tell you,
like I'm moving now back to the West Coast. It's
gonna screw up my Sunday routine because East Coast. I
actually think people disagree with me. I think East Coast
is better for and it's designed to be better for
watching games because you have the whole morning to get up.

(44:43):
If you play like Sunday Hoop. I play Sunday Hoop,
come home, wife can go out of the house. You
can get everything done, or you can take the kids
like Farmers Market, or if you have a sports game
like schedule, all the morning, the one o'clock kickoff right by,
by thirty, you gotta have you gotta have called your guy,
right you all your bets in, not that anybody does
that illegally. You gotta make sure your fantasy team is set.

(45:04):
You got until one o'clock to make sure everything is set.
And then one o'clock you turn on Red Zone. You
watch all the games. You have two TV thing working,
You get your favorite team on. Then you have Red Zone,
and from like one until seven thirty, I know where
I'm gonna be on a Sunday, I may go over
to somebody else's house, But before I go over to
their house, there's two questions. Do you have Red Zone?

(45:25):
And if you don't, what's the matter with you? Right? So,
but like those are your habits now my habits. Obviously
games started ten. I'm just thinking it's we're in We're
now in the generation to which it's no longer nearly
as cool or necessary even to go to a game.

(45:48):
Right I think the state I don't have any doubts
that the stadium is going to work. The stadium is
going to house the Rams, it's gonna have the Chargers,
and because it's gonna be done. It's gonna get a
Final four, it's gonna get a championship in football, to
get another bull game in football. Like, the stadium is
going to be everything that Dallas has right like a
hub for activity, huge concerts, big venue for everything. Only

(46:10):
actually in civilized civilization. You ever been a You've been
a Dallas stadium. They're like, let's take you to a
place where there's an actual city, and then let's take
a stadium and put it as far from that actual
city as humanly possible. That's what they did. The stadium
is great, getting there is a mess, and like, would
you rather host an event outside of Dallas, outside of

(46:31):
Fort Worth or right in the heart of Los Angeles?
This is a no brainer. Like, the stadium is gonna work.
I'm talking about the football thing actually becoming a thing.
And I kind of feel like it's like the guy
who waited until Friday to text, Like she was already
like what she thought you didn't have that good a time.

(46:54):
She kept moving and moving and shaking. She's like, you know,
like I just assumed you weren't that interested. It's been
over twenty years. People's habits are formed, and one of
those habits is not Sunday go to a football game
and watch a team that you have no level of
investment in, and they're not like big name players, biggest

(47:22):
name San Diego Chargers, Philip Rivers, biggest name La Ramas
who Todd Gurley maybe, but right, remember, like the Rams
are built around a running back. What NFL team is
built around a running back anymore? There aren't any like
I actually think the Chargers in terms of succeeding, like
they got a sick group of of weapons Hunter Henry,

(47:44):
they got Calvin Benjamin. If Keenan Allen is healthy, eventually
Mike Williams will be healthy, you know they and then
Melvin Gordon is a running back like they got do
and they got a guy who can spin it, who
can sling it. But it just even if i'm the
Colors games are both great. You got blue and white
and baby blue and gold like those all work, and

(48:05):
they were both l A teams previously, and the Charges
were just down like all of those things kind of work.
But if you wait too long, I don't know. I
don't know. And here's that other thing about the Chargers
and the Rams and why it might not ever work.
Do you guys. You guys watch Friends were your music.

(48:28):
You're a little young for the Friends thing, though, right.
I was a little young for it to be like
the appointment television part of my life. But I've definitely
was alive and aware and saw plenty of episodes of it.
I kind of think the Raiders are the Lobster for
l a a little bit too. Do you remember what

(48:50):
the lobster one was? I remember the I thought we
were on a break that you always we were on
a breade. Yeah, we were on a bread You don't
remember the lobster um? Robmost do you remember the lobster?
I did watch Friends? You know? Do I remember exactly
every episode of Friends? Not exactly everyone, but I do

(49:10):
remember most of them. Yet, tell me about the lobster
episode there? We want to hear about the lobster um? Okay, well,
the person you're meant to be with forever is supposed
to be a lobster. That was I think Phoebe's thing, right,
And she tells the story on the show about how
lobsters only mate with another lot with one other lobster,

(49:32):
Like this is actually like a scientific fact. There's other
fans of lobster scientific facts. First of all, they're delicious.
Second of all that you know they are delicious? And
second of all, do you know that McDonald's actually makes
lobster rolls in main true story? Third, do you know
the blue lobsters? Blue? I just fantastic. Um. You also
murder lobsters when you buy them fresh and alive and

(49:53):
you put them in hot water and they die. But
they're still delicious, so we do it anyway. See. But
there's the lobster story is um. It's a famous friends
in which she talks about like you're meant to be
forever together and you can. People will marry people that
they're not lobsters too, but they're not their person, Like
you only have one person on earth, you only have

(50:15):
one other lobster. The Raiders are l A's lobster. They
are like the Raiders the Raiders. Like who goes to
NFL games in Los Angeles? A really like you go.
It's a United Nations. It is a really diverse population

(50:36):
of people, and that does not appeal to the Chargers,
even though like that, there's plenty of Hispanic and Um
and Asian and Polynesian fans of the Charges. In San Diego,
there wasn't that the Chargers were actually the rival. Like
when the Chargers and the Raiders played, Raider fans from

(50:57):
l A would go down to San Diego and then
get into fights with Charger fans. Now they're supposed to
be Charger fans. Like that's a weird one. And there
were there was nobody who was no one who from
a diverse culture who was a a RAMS fan girl
like everyon Orange County team, Like it is the weirdest
those are, I said, arranged marriages. I just think they're
not the lobster. And it's because the NFL waited way

(51:23):
after Wednesday. And I even think Wednesday or three days
is too long to like you text people all the time.
You can't text her, Hey, just thinking of you. This
whole thing of I had to wait three days to
text people. You wait too long, you know, especially now
kids have no attention span and we're in an arrow
where why would you go to an NFL game when
you can watch every NFL game and not even you

(51:45):
don't even have to change the channel if you have
red zone, plus you got second screen viewing, open up
your laptop, your iPad. Mostly everybody has a big screen
on TV. Back when the Rams and the Raiders were
in l A. They were not on your team. You
didn't have any other choice. There was no other way
to watch any other game. Back when the NFL was

(52:07):
in l A. If a friend had a big screen
one and had those three big beams number those the big,
very big beams, he had to roll it in. And
it was also a cool thing. Who doesn't have it?
If you don't have a TV over there is something
wrong with you. You're like, oh, this is not rich person.
I no, no, no, I didn't say you had a

(52:28):
theater room. Gannancy had butler service. Everybody has a flat screen,
big screen TV. You have that. You may not pay
your rent, You will pay your CABLEPS, you will pay
your direct TV. Think and if you don't believe it,
ask anybody who markets for these teams. I kind of
think the NFL whiffed. They just waited too long to

(52:49):
text the girl back. Nick Wright joins the show up
coming next um ESPN held a fantasy draft. Okay, they
held an auction draft and they've since apologized for the
auction draft because some people thought it was inappropriate. Does Nick,

(53:09):
do I we discuss next with true car. You can
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(53:34):
who you'll see on TV and you'll hear on radio
as well. The show is called First Things First debuts
September five, that is three weeks from today. You will
hear it as well on Sirius XM channel any three,
same show you same channel. You can hear our show
on for our first two hours of the show. He's
Nick right. He joins US now from New York City,

(53:56):
where he and Chris Carter will co host that show. Nick,
how are you. I'm good, Doug, it's been too long.
Good to talk to It's great to talk to you.
Um okay. First reaction I want is ESPN offered up
an apology for what they said was bad optics. They
have a twenty four hour Fantasy special and they did
a segment where they did a live player auction. If

(54:17):
you play fantasy football, you know that there are auction
drafts out there. They did a live player auction. Their
first player auctioned off was Odell Beckham Jr. They were
not all black players that were auctioned, but there were.
And because of it, people complained, should ESPN have offered
that apology? Why not? It was harmed by an apology.

(54:37):
And if it's the video that I saw, they like
had a It wasn't like guys sitting in a studio
with a video on a screen, right, they like held
up a stick figure a head on a stick a
Beckham and then it was people in a crowd bidding
on it, right, So like the way they did, I
assume the reason they apology apologize is because they felt

(54:58):
a little too close with slave auction. So like, my
this is so like now there's backlash to the backlash
is what it sounds like, given where the question is like,
do you think they shouldn't have apologized? You know what, Honestly,
here's here's I've been trying to. I'm trying to try
to gather my thoughts because this has built up like
during our show, and you know how that works. Nick,

(55:20):
You've hosted radio shows and you'll do this while you're
hosting TV show where you like your kind of thoughts
evolved as you're thinking of it. This is what I
thought last night when I was watching in Durham, North Carolina,
they were pulling down um statues of of Confederate generals. Okay,
my thought is like, who the hell thought it was
a good idea to have a Who the hell thought

(55:40):
it was a good idea to have a statue of
a Confederate general to begin with? And how did they
last this long? That in two thousand and seventeen, we
then decided to bring him down? Right like? That one
was the one where I was like, I don't know
how I feel about us pulling like ceremonially pulling it
down and not having some real thought about what pulling
it down means and the optics to it. But how
the hell did it last this long to begin with? Right? Well,

(56:03):
and so and and on that. I know that's some
what you're talking about, but do people do need to
realize the vast majority of Confederate statues in this country
we're not erected during or immediately following or shortly thereafter
the Civil War. They were erected during the most I
would say, btriolic and hurtful part of the Jim Crow era.

(56:24):
Most of these statues are erected in the twenties and
thirties as a way to remind members of the community
the boot is still on your throat. And for people
saying that, Doug, if I'm not mistaken, you're a Jewish
fellow and I have a lot of Jewish fellows in
my family. People say, well, we don't want to forget
our history. I would remind the audience we have plenty
of Holocaust memorials worldwide, not many of those involved statues

(56:49):
of Adolf Hitler. But we digress slightly. I know. I mean, no,
it's it's it's one of those things. On the other hand,
on the other hand, um, I think you'd agree. Fantasy
football auction drafts happen every day, right, and they will
happen every day for the next month before we launched
the NFL season, or until the NFL season kicks off.

(57:11):
And matter of fact, there are in season drafts as well.
Should there be Can there be a separation of church
to say, like, look, I know, like if you really
want to peer hard, you're peering hard at it. But
you know you can find something racial about it. But
in truth, like there's white players as black players. It's
not a slave trade. It's it's that's why, but this
thing is. But that's why. Best I can tell, I've

(57:32):
been on Twitter all mornings, uh, and I saw one
tweet about this. Best I can tell, there was no
major outrage and no one is saying, you know what,
there we should abolish the act of auction leagues because
it might you know, it might trigger someone's slavery emotions.
Know what's happening I think is ESPN did an auction

(57:55):
with an old white dude as an auctioneer holding up
a picture of Oteo Beckham, and then it looked like
a crowd of a bunch of other white people bid
on him. And some people are like, I mean that
ain't great, Like we probably could have executed this better.
And maybe if in the planning meeting we had fewer
white faces and a few minority faces in the planning meeting,

(58:16):
someone might have said, hey, guys, guys, guys, maybe we
do this a little bit better, so let's apologize. Like
I I don't, I don't see. Uh, it's similar to
the Washington football team, Like does it offend everyone absolutely not.
Doesn't offend most people? No, does it depend some people? Sure?
So white do it like there's nothing gained from it.
There's nothing gained from not apologizing. Go ahead and apologize, Like,

(58:38):
apologies cost nothing. I know this, I have learned this
by my through my marriage. Man, apologizing cost you nothing
can save you a lot. Like just say you're sorry,
even if you ain't really that sorry, because I'm sorry,
my bad, I'm sorry, like I don't uh and so
like it feels like there maybe is like faux outrage
over faux outrage, which is hashtag twenty seventeen. Like that

(59:00):
that does seem to be the space we occupy now,
Nick right joining us with some really helpful marital advice.
I'll tell you how how I agree with it. Yesterday
I got home and I have the traffic wasn't bad,
and I walked in like four or thirty and my
wife and some friends were over there swimming at the house,
and I was like, why are you in a bad mood?
Like I'm not in a bad mood, so because I
wasn't in a bad mood, but she kept asking if
I was in a bad mood. Suddenly, somehow I became

(59:22):
in a bad mood. I was like, what your moody?
I actually texted my wife on the way here today
I apologize. I don't know what I was actually apologizing for,
but I apologized. And that's how I've stayed married for
seventeen years as of last Saturday. Nick Wright joins us
on the Doug Gotlip Show. Ill, can I ask you
one marriage question real quick? Yeah? Do you find yourself
very often arguing about the argument? Yes, like like you

(59:47):
you're getting it, Like the argument starts on a small
point and then forty minutes later you're arguing about something
in the argument. And sometimes you step back and be like,
we're arguing about the argument. The hell has happened here? Yes, yes,
it's the it's the no, no, no it listen, we're
we're operating in parallel universe. There's there's no, there's there's

(01:00:07):
absolutely it's we're we're were we we lived the same
life in different parts of the country. Nick right joining us,
okay um, I said yesterday and like, look, you know,
our relationship is feel free to agree or disagree however
you'd like. You have interesting thoughts. I thought that Michael
Bennett and Marshawn Lynch sitting out the National anthem Um

(01:00:29):
helps the NFL because look, the NFL for a myriad
of reasons, some of which is his protest and what
it the defense mechanism that's up by NFL front office
and owners keeping Colin Kaepernick ga this league. The NFL
can now point to it and go like, see, we're
not We're not opposed to protesting. Michael Bennett protests, nothing happens.

(01:00:51):
Marshall Lynch protests, nothing happens. On the other hand, I
think it hurts Kaepernick because people had started to voice
their support for thea that he was out of work,
and it made the league look bad, and the league
looks a lot less bad because they can't do anything
about Bennett and about Marshaw. Yeah, I think you actually
might be right that Bennett and Lynch sitting for the

(01:01:15):
anthem UH makes it harder to build a collusion case
in the NFL about Kaepernick. But I also think they
don't give a damn about that. This is about so
much more than football and such bigger issues, Like Michael
Bennett is one of the smartest dudes in the league
and one of the most thoughtful dudes in the league
and he had and again, like people can get mad

(01:01:36):
at the protest where they can listen to what he's protesting,
it is very hard to find a intelligent, right minded
human being that listens to what Michael Bennett said after
he sat and takes major issue with it. Like that,
we were in a weird spot in this country because
of you know, two hundred years of chattel slavery followed

(01:01:59):
by a hundred years of jim pro followed by about
thirty five years of housing discrimination, followed by a war
on drugs followed by a militarized police. There ain't a
whole lot of rich, prominent black folks in the country,
and a lot of them play sports. And so if
we are now going to say, hey, hey, for the
disproportionate number of rich, rich, famous black people that are athletes,

(01:02:21):
you shut up because I'm not here for it. That
is that is taking away their full rights as Americans.
And so it would be great if we also had
the you know, the old if we also had enormous
amounts of very wealthy, very prominent minorities in this country
that weren't professional athletes or professional entertainers. But we don't

(01:02:46):
and that ain't because the black folks can't do it.
It's because they have not been afforded the opportunity in
the years to get in that position. So you gotta
take your role models or your civic leaders where you
can get them. And right now, that is the in
be A in the NFL for large part. And I
salute these guys who are putting aside short and maybe

(01:03:08):
long term financial games to try to do what's right
and set it for I say again, I am uh I.
I checked all the boxes of privileges. I am straight,
whether people believe it or not. I am white, whether
people believe it or not, and I am mail that one.
I don't think too many people question I have all
the privilege in the world. I I I will march

(01:03:29):
with you, and I will stand with you for anyone
that does not have those boxes of privilege, because it
is my responsibility as an American. And for those people
that don't have those boxes of privilege and are still
putting themselves out there, good luck and God bless I
salute you. That's Nick right. First things, first, to the
TV show. He's gonna stay with us here as I
want to talk with him about the Calves and like, look,

(01:03:51):
he listed his I think your fourteen greatest players in
NBA history on Twitter today. Because you're getting back and
forth with with with NBA a fans over your thoughts
on on various topics, we'll talk about that and my
thoughts on Lebron and the potential destinations for Kyrie becoming
harder and harder to find. Doug Out. The show Fox
Sports Radio continue to be joined by Nick Right, Our

(01:04:13):
Good Friend and You're gonna hear on Sirius XM channel
eight three starting September five, along with Chris Carter and
The Friend of Ours. Uh. The new show on Fox
Sports run is called First Things First, all right? Uh.
The stories out of Cleveland continued to to kind of
leak out, drip drip, drip out. Um. Apparently Darren Williams
didn't have a lot of fun that per Richard Jefferson's

(01:04:35):
podcast coming off the Bench for the Calves. But everybody
had fun going. You have a lot of fun. You know,
we have a lot of fun. Night. He was washed
he was he was washed up. That that was that
was that was Listen. There were ten years ago, I
think it was, or maybe less than ten years ago,
there was thought that the Brooklyn Nets, We're gonna get

(01:04:56):
him and Dwight Howard and they were gonna rule the world.
And they at him and did not rule much of anything.
Um and then Kyrie Irving. One of the reasons they
feel like they are struggling to move Kyrie Irving is
because other star players are cautious about Lebron James leaving
next year. I know you have Lebron as the greatest

(01:05:16):
player you've ever seen play basketball. Will forever disagree about that. Uh,
that's not really the point. My point is more that, like, look,
when he goes to Miami, they're great, and they win
two out of four titles, but what he leaves behind
is awake. What he leaves behind in Cleveland is awake.
It might not be as lovey Dubby, as easy to

(01:05:38):
work with, as enjoyable and experience as maybe it well
should be, or is maybe he wants it to be advertised.
Is that a fair statement to make about Lebron? You know,
I mean, I think it will be a first statement
to make as soon as we have how many I mean,
how many different guys have played with Lebron in his
career at this point, probably well over, I just like
a single guy just say on the record they didn't

(01:06:01):
enjoy it, because I'm yet to hear it, like I.
Shaq seems to love him, Dwyane Wade loves him, Chris
Boss loves him. But said, listen, Boss said, hey, look
you got he's quoted as saying, you're gonna have to
play center like he said about Kevin Love. You're gonna
have to play center and when things and when things
go bad, and when things go bad, you're going to

(01:06:21):
get more of the blame. So right, But that was
that was about going from being the centerpiece of a
team to being the third guy. But I again, like,
I don't think Boss ever said a bad word about Lebron.
I know Ray Allen hasn't. Uh. We could go down
the list. I the yes, when the greatest player to
ever played the sport, or as you would have him
second or third or wherever leaves your team, your team's

(01:06:44):
going to be in a bit of shambles, except, of course,
when Michael Jordan left the Bulls and I went from
fifty six wins and fifty five wins and maybe still
could have won the title, but still that he had
no help or something like that. I remember that story
being told, but that's not the point. The point is,
uh with the the Calves are in a really rough
spot because if they do believe Lebron's leaving, how the

(01:07:06):
hell do you do this Kyrie Irving trade? If you
believe Lebron's leaving, you should trade to the future. But
you know you have him for another year, so you
should trade for right now. So what do you do? Like,
you you have the Calves have to be in simultaneously
in one year win now mode and then immediately transition

(01:07:26):
to only caring about the future. Like, there's no way
to do that. So I simply I even if you
get a great haul for Kyrie Irving, like for the future,
it's so hard to win a title in this league
if you don't have Lebron James or a super team,
then I would just say whatever the short term game

(01:07:47):
we can get is, we'll take it. We know we're
gonna be in the finals again, and we'll roll our
dice because we'll have the best player on the court,
the best player in the world. And then if that
means the team is gonna suck for you know team
through twenty three, well we're the Cleveland Cavaliers were kind
of used to sucking when Lebron James isn't on our team. Yeah,
the problem is if he goes to the Celtics. I

(01:08:09):
do think depending on what comes back, you run the
risk of the Celtics being a better team. I really
that's because you're crazy like that you have if you
have if you have Gordon Hayward, and you have Kyrie Irving,
and and I would like I would be interested to
see what they do with Isaiah Thomas, Like you just
have more weapons. Remember you're wait, wait, how good will

(01:08:31):
Lebron be if you don't have Kyrie with him? And
all you have is Kevin Love and the rest of
what they have, like Kyrie is a very big part.
He had a great year last year. Kyrie Is. Someone
asked me, this was on Twitter this morning. I did
a Q and A that's what you were talking about.
Someone asked me who my favorite guy to watch play
with Lebron is in his career, and the answers Kyrie.

(01:08:52):
I I love watching Kyrie play. Dog. You know this
better than me, so you tell me if you think
I'm right. I've never seen someone in the histor your
basketball be a better below the rim finisher. You know,
his finishing shots, You're insane, Like he's Rod Strickland is
the only guy you know in recent memory. I know
people would say earl of Promanroe, but like he's he's
Rod Strickland with a jump shot. That's what he is.

(01:09:13):
And he is certainly on the very shortlist of the
best hand alive. That correct, he's he's got if God,
if you combine God, shamn God, Rod Strickland and Isaiah
Thomas is a one on one jump shooter. I think
that's who you'd have, right, which is why it's so
baffling that the team is simply dreadful when he's on

(01:09:35):
the court without Lebron. But that's that's part of that
is the construct of this team. Like the reason that
they lost in the finals was not just that the
Warriors are better, but that they didn't have anyone outside
of Lebron who could match up with Kevin Durant and
Lebron simply like pure fatigue cannot guard Kevin Durant for
that long as opposed to you look at what the

(01:09:57):
Celtics are doing or how the Warriors. The construct of
the Warriors, they don't have any one guy that can
stop Lebron James the average a triple double. But they
have four or five guys that can do a good
enough job, as opposed to the Calves have no other
It is a hold on, hold on. The Warriors don't
have four or five guys they can do a good
enough job. They have zero guys they can do a

(01:10:17):
good enough job on Lebron. Defensively, just didn't matter. I'm true.
He didn't score, he didn't score in the side, he
didn't score nearly as much in the second half like
they had. They wore him with Clinton. They have hold on.
They got Clay Thompson that they have, Andrea Goodala they
can guard. They have Kevin Durant who can guard him,
some that Sean Livingston can can do a decent enough
job playing off of him. They have guys that they

(01:10:38):
have bodies that they can throw at him that other
people don't. They have enough guys that you're totally right.
The last three years in the finals, he's average what
thirty two, eleven and ten over three years in the finals.
They don't have anyone that can guard him. And of
course he wore down in the fourth quarter because as
like the let's Game three of the Finals, for example,

(01:11:02):
Lebron James plays ten minutes and forty seconds of the
first quarter, the Calves are up by eight. He sits
for the final mini minute twenty of the first quarter,
and the Calves are down by two. They were plus
eight in ten minutes with him, minus ten in less
than two minutes without him, Like, it wasn't because the
Warriors had some way to slow down Lebron. Lebron was

(01:11:24):
better in the Finals than he wasn't in any series
in the playoffs. It was because there was It was
the Warriors were just overwhelming on a on offense and
b Clay did do a brilliant job on Kyrie. But
so like if you were to ask me guys in
the league, like there's a lot of guys in the
league better than Kyrie, but there's not a lot of

(01:11:44):
guys in the league that are a better teammate for Lebron,
which is worried. This is so devastating, like the hell
Kyrie and and and I'm sure you've talked about it before.
But like the two minutes soliloqually he does after Game
five of the Finals, where he nasically praised at the
altar of Lebron, how amazing it is played with him
all these things. To go from there to where he

(01:12:06):
is now is insane. The only possible explanation is this
is Kobe Bryant's fault. Like Kobe got Kyrie in his
music cage. It was like, Kyrie, you want to be
the man, I'll tell you what you gotta do. Here's
what you gotta do. You gotta go away from Lebron,
and Kobe mine effed him, Like I can't figure out
what else happened here. I think it's possible. I think
it's part of it. I think part of it was
he was he found out that Lebron wanted him trade

(01:12:27):
and they've found out that he was linked in trade
talks going back to early this early this summer, right
around free agency time. And I think he felt it's
like a we we started talking about wives. It's like
a woman in a relationship that doesn't feel valued. At
some point, she's like, you know what I want out,
whether it's a good decision or bad decision. And he
may not ever value, he may not understand what he's

(01:12:50):
leaving behind, or maybe he does and he just wants
his independence. Man like, I just it just if Kyrie
really wants to be the man, and if that's part
of why he wants to go, and everyone thinks Lebron's leaving,
stay for a year, but then then then you gotta
stay in Cleveland, but you don't. But you don't have

(01:13:11):
to say no. One's that seemed to sign an extension.
You have a two you have two years left, so
you would it's like a perfect thing. One more year
to try to win the title, then one year to
see how good am I really? Can I be the
man on a team? Do I? So? Then when I'm
a free agent, who I want to stay here? Do
I want to go somewhere else I'm the man? Do
I want to sign up with another team? It's such

(01:13:31):
a bizarre thing that Kyrie's done. And you're also reminded
though the guy believed to be twenty five years old,
and my goodness is he great? Like just makes you sad,
what's happened? You can watch his show of three weeks
from today Fox Sports one. He Chris Carter. It will
be outstanding. I promise you that. He's Nick right falling
on Twitter as well, Nick, great talk, Thanks for joining us,

(01:13:52):
of course, thanks for having me on Dog. Channon Sharpe
called out an NFL head coach. Who did you call out?
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(01:14:13):
This time we play you a portion of something said
on Fox Sports Radio earlier in the day. You can
watch Undisputed Shannon Sharp, Skip Bayliss and uh uh Joy Taylor.
You can watch it on Fox Sports one. Here it
on Serious XM channel eight three. That is the focus
of this First here's Hugh Jackson at his press conference,

(01:14:40):
head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, speaking Seela sorry. He
was the offensive coordinat of the Sinceinnati Bengals, the head
coach of the Cleveland Browns, talking about some of the
recent protests in the NFL. I think everybody has a
right to do, you know, and and I get it,
but the national anthem means a lot to myself personally,
organization or football team. I hope you know again. I
can't speak I haven't really talked to our team about it.

(01:15:02):
I would hope we don't have those issues. I understand
it's a lot going on in the world. I like
to just keep it here. You know what we deal with.
We try to deal with as a team in our
closed environment. We talk about things, but hopefully that won't happen.
I can't tell you it won't happen, but I just
know our guys. I don't think that's where our focus is.
And we hope the things that are going on in
the world get ironed out. But I know right now

(01:15:23):
we're doing everything we can to to get our football
team better. All right, So here's what Shannon Sharp had
to say. It's gonna be hard for me to not
call Hugh Jackson what he actually is, for him to
go public and says, I hope the world gets this
ironed out. Does he understand that he lives in this
world and that by passing the buck and kicking the
can no one solved this problem at some point in time.

(01:15:47):
Dr King Rolls Apart are great leaders. They picked that
can up a boy. I mean, listen, I listen to it,
and I'm like a boy. I like Shannon, love his
passion for it. But everyone does not have to protest.
Everyone does not have to welcome in protests into their

(01:16:08):
place of business. He's like, look, we're the Browns. We've
been bad for a long time. I've been Hugh Jackson,
this is his second job in the NFL failed as
a Raider's head coach. Was his fault, not his fault.
It doesn't matter. And I he he's within his rights
to not want to engage. I completely disagree with Shannon Sharp, Like, wait,

(01:16:30):
so any black head coach that says we hope the
world irons out its problems are problems right now? Are
were the Browns? And we suck? And he's supposed to
divert some of the attention. I don't. I don't agree.
I don't agree. Um Like, look, there's I, there's there's time,

(01:16:54):
and there's place, and two different people. It means different things.
I get that we try and make our feelings known
and we want everybody to feel the way we feel.
I make it a point to not tell people how
to pray, not tell people how to mourn, don't tell
people how to spend their money or raise their kids.
And you know what, don't tell people when and how
they should protest or try and change the world. That

(01:17:22):
was a boy, my, my, my crazy. They're like, I
just and you could say, well, it's different when you're
a black head coach. Maybe maybe the Shannon it is like,
I haven't heard Anthony Lynn speak out his black head
coach standing the Chargers, Mike tom Is Mike Tomlin. Also

(01:17:43):
do they all have to do? They all have to
u form a group and then and protest things that
are happening out in the real world, when in truth,
sports are meant to bring us together apart from the
real world. Real world. Screwed up, man, screwed up doesn't
mean you can't protest. It does also doesn't mean you

(01:18:04):
have to. ESPN had a fantasy football auction draft live
on TV. Was it racist? Next? What Up? It's the
Dog God Leave Show? Fox Sports Radio Boom tru Um

(01:18:27):
gotta say what's up to the folks? And albody listened
to us on Fox Sports nine eight A man Joe
Wolf pulled the trigger and got us on air up
there in uh in the in the Capitol District, Capital District,
Great Sports Area. Obviously, is that what we're doing every

(01:18:50):
time we welcome in a new pilling. Why not? Why not?
I like that? Thank you New York, Yeah, thank you, Hello,
New York. Hello. Hello, Let's talk giants, Let's talk jets,
let's tug bills. Hello. M Yes, Aaron Judge discuss Matt
Holiday d L When will he be back? Listen here

(01:19:12):
We will keep you updated anyway. Good to be on
in the Capitol District of New York. Doug Gottlib Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so, um, I understand what Nick
Writes said when he joined us, like apologies cost nothing right,
it's a great and and for your marriage, for your marriage,

(01:19:33):
it's smart advice. John Ramos, you've been married how many years? Now?
Fourteen years? Eighteen years? Got me by a year, eighteen
years ish, I don't know what. Okay, so you're over
eighteen years, Um, got married seventeen years. And it is
good marrill to advice that when in doubt, like just
doing my bad it's it's good. I was taught that

(01:19:55):
in playing basketball, when you're the point guard, something goes wrong,
you just go like, that's my like it was not
really your fault. That's okay, that's my fault, like we
have but he missed the shot. I shouldn't have passed
to him my fault. He forgot to play. Yeah, but
I should have reminded him. It's always you're bad. ESPN
had a fantasy They got a twenty four hour fantasy thing,
which I think has finally ended, mercifully has come to

(01:20:17):
an end. I like the It's one of those things
that sounds great, like we'll do twenty four hours and
like I used to do twenty four hours of hoops
I did to me and my man, Dave Revson. David
Revson now works at the Big Ten Network. We'll have
him on Talk Big ten Football at some point. Uh,
Dave Revson and I. We did a Nevada versus Vermont
game and that we did Pacific versus I'm gonna say Hawaii.

(01:20:37):
Maybe it was Nevada Hawaii. I don't remember. We did
two games and the first one was in Reno and
then we did one in Stockton. And I don't know
if you're aware, but the between Stockton Reno is the
Donner Pass. Do you remember the Donner family dinner party.
That's when some of them died snowstorm They ate each other. Yeah,
it was Remember the movie Alive about the soccer team

(01:20:59):
crashed in the uh Andy's right when they had to
eat each other the Chilean mountains like this was before that.
That's what the dinner party was anyway, So so we
joked about it during the game. Nobody died, we did
not eat anybody, and we made it to the game.
The point is, I love the twenty four hours of hoops.
I actually got to call play by play on a rider.

(01:21:22):
I'm gonna say drexxel game with Andy Katz once upon
a time. I gotta do play by play once in
my life. I like the idea of but twenty four
hours of fantasy football is like, really, so you're coming
up with new ideas, you're throwing Hey, you want to
try it, try it, try it. And somebody came up
with the idea of a live fantasy football auction, only

(01:21:43):
with a real auctioneer. Now there's a bunch of side
parts to this that are interesting, like the fact that
auctioneers still exist and how skillful that my hold on
one name right. There's also part to it which all
action drafts are my least favorite draft because having done

(01:22:03):
it once, I now have the exact same philosophy that
I think everybody else has which is totally underbid early on,
thinking that some dope is going to spend all their
money early, and then you get the good players late.
When they're out of money, you can just over outbid people.
I don't really like auction drafts. I also I don't

(01:22:26):
like keeper leagues, but I do know what a auction
draft is. And somebody came up with the idea of, hey,
what if we had a skit where we bring up
a real auctioneer and we have a real fantasy draft
and all we do is hold up the the the
head on a stick of a fantasy of a of

(01:22:47):
a football player, and you know what, not the worst
idea in the world. It's not, but in the way
in which some people saw it, there like well that
for you started with Odell Beckham and you start with
a couple of black football players, it could look like
a slave auction. Um nick Wright said, hey, apologies cost nothing.

(01:23:13):
If anybody was offended, what's wrong with apologizing. One of
the things about apologizing continuously is at some point you
have to go like, hey, you know what, like this
was not offensive. I don't agree. I don't agree that
the Redskins nickname is offensive because the intent of it
wasn't offensive. It was meant to honor, and uh, it's
still meant the exact same way. And oh yeah, by

(01:23:34):
the way, redskins isn't a term. It's not a derogatory
term that's used in common, everyday language. On the other hand,
I do see a little bit of really if you're
if you're really mad, like we didn't mean anything by it.
I don't know. Let's welcome in. Clay Travis, who hosts
out Kicked the coverage the show six to nine am

(01:23:56):
Eastern Time, three to six am on West Coast here
on Fox Sports Radio, Clay, did you have a problem
with the auction draft? Never apologize, Doug, Never ever apologize
when I die, I want on my gravestone. Never ever apologized,

(01:24:18):
because everything that I've ever said so far in my
career I've met. Now. I'm apologized to my wife so
she'll keep sleeping with me. But other than that, I
don't make a living of apologizing, and especially you don't
apologize when you didn't do anything wrong. And we live
in an era where people are like perpetually seeking apologies.

(01:24:39):
I can't imagine being a grown man and going on
the internet and demanding that a television network apologized to
me because I was upset by something that they put
on the television network, Like that is childlife behavior. And
so if I'm a yes the end, I go to
Chick fil A rout right. Like. Chick fil A to
me is a perfect example all of the company that

(01:25:01):
made the right decision. They're the highest grossing retail fast
food chain in the country. Her store l is amazing.
I just amazing. I disagree with some of their politics
and religious believes, but it does not stop me from
going and getting a chicken sandwich. I don't even like
fried food, and I like a Chick fil A chicken sandwich.
Go ahead, perfect example. So everybody comes out to Chick

(01:25:24):
fil A and they say, hey, we found out that
you were donating to groups that don't believe gay marriage
should be legal. And what did Chick fil A say? Yeah,
that's what we believe. Deal with it. And their business
exploded because they specifically said, you don't have to agree
with us, We're not going to cow tow to you.
ESPN had an opportunity here to say we think that

(01:25:45):
people who took this in an offensive manner are idiots,
right and we're not going to apologize. And I would
say good for ESPN. It would have given them an
opportunity to push back against that ridiculous m as ESPN
notion that they have created where all they do is
cover sports from a liberal perspective. Instead, they did what
left wingers do. They curled up in the fetal position,

(01:26:08):
They begged for forgiveness, and they apologize even though they
didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, I I gotta tell you,
I'm I'm with you on this one. Like I never
once and and like it's not like slave. No one
would approve of a slave auction like this. It's not
a possible reality position, is it you? In order to

(01:26:30):
think this is like a slave auction, you have to
be racist. See, I don't. I I disagree with that point. Okay,
I don't think you have to be ready. But I'll
allow you to expound upon that, and then I'll I'll
give you the counter opinion to it, which uh is
the unapologetic opinion, but is it's still a counter opinion
to it. Go ahead. My understanding, I didn't watch this thing,

(01:26:50):
all right, So my understanding is that they also auctioned
off Tom Brady, Bob Grenkowski, Odell Beckham Jr. Like other
really big, high end fantasy fall stars that we're going
to sell for competitive bids, right, And so anybody who
watches that, if they are auctioning off the best players,
both white and blacks, you're not looking at its thinking

(01:27:12):
I don't think this reminds me of a slave auction. Now.
I have watched the NFL Draft all the time, right,
and when guys walk out in spandex, I always have
this question, you ever noticed that room when they have
the guys walk out in spandex at the NFL drapp Yeah, yeah, sorry,
at the NFL Combine. At the NFL Combines they get

(01:27:34):
ready for the draft, they have all these guys out
in spandex and they have like an auditorium where everybody
is like looking at them. And I always think, like,
this is the creepiest thing I've ever seen, Like, what
are these guys writing in their binders? If they stare
at all these basically make dudes, right, like what what
great definition in the chance? Look at his lacks? What quads? Like?
It is so incredibly uncomfortable to me, as like just

(01:27:57):
an awkward moment. That is that's a meat market now,
I don't think of it as like a slave thing,
but I definitely think like women are always like, oh,
we're being objectified for our bodies. There is nothing as
objectifying as being walking out and having everybody part of
yours measured and announced for an entire room full of people,
right Uh, and then have people be like, oh, you know,

(01:28:17):
Jimmy Mantel is not quite six ft tall, that's gonna
kill in the draft. He's only five eleven and three quarters.
And like everybody just analyzes your body measurements to determine
whether or not you're going to be successful. That's much
more like if you're going to use the market, like
the meat market, the slave market mentality. But every player
does it. And so when I see every player in
the NFL being auctioned, who's a big name on that broadcast,

(01:28:40):
like picking out one and going online and being like,
you need to apologize for this, ESPN, Like if you
did it for Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski, how in
the world can you be offended as you did it
for Odell Beckham Jr. That's exactly what ESPN was saying, right,
which is probably what their response should have been. Um
Clay Travis joining us and dug out the show. His
show is Kicked the Coverage is The dug Outlip Show

(01:29:01):
on Fox Sports Trader. You can hear his show six
to nine am Eastern Time three to six am Pacific,
or you can download a good out Kick the Coverage
or wherever you download podcast, including iTunes if you want
to download it as well. Okay, so my thing is,
I don't think that you're a racist. If you're searching
out things to be. I think you're you're, you're you're

(01:29:22):
that guy, you're the you're you're we all know that guy.
Like you're that's racist guy, right, that's right, you're you're,
you're so. And you've also exposed yourself as somebody who
has no idea about anything about sports, right that that's
that's like you and I are around, right. But the
potentially of offended person is the your racist, you're feminist,

(01:29:44):
you're sexist, you're you're this, You're like, no, I'm I'm not,
I'm this is something that happens every day in sports. Yeah.
And also all this does is it enables those guys
to continue. Right when you go on and demand an
apology and you get an apology That means that the
next time something like this happens, you're going to demand
an apology and you're gonna expect it. And if you

(01:30:06):
don't get yeah, none of the people who follow you
expected too. So it just continues down the line of
absurdity until somebody finally just says, you know what, you
guys are idiots. We're not going to apologize. And that's why,
you know, that's why my position is, I've never apologized
for anything I've said or written or said I should
say that I'm not gonna do something stupid at some
point or misspeak or on live radio at any point

(01:30:28):
in time. You know, it's easy to have a slip
of the tongue and curse or say something that you
don't intend or it comes out differently than your intent, right.
I mean, that's what we do for a living. But
I've been doing it for fifteen years now basically, and
never apologize for anything. And I don't, frankly ever intend
to apologize for anything. And that's because I'm sharing my
opinion and if you don't agree with it, that's life.

(01:30:49):
Right early on in life, my mom told me opinions
are like but everybody's got one right, and so if
you don't agree with me, that's fine, but I'm not
going to apologize for what I believe. I do think
there are things to apologize for. I don't think this
rose to that level. I think you can. There's also
ways in which you can word an apology right, Like
I like, it's you're talking about apologizing to your wife,

(01:31:11):
like I apologize for how you perceived what I said.
I don't doesn't work for me. Yeah, it doesn't work
for me either. I tried to. I try. I tried to, Like, look,
I've I've tried to tell my wife, you're not a
but you're you're acting like A. And she's like, no, no no,
that's not the same. I was like, yes, it absolutely
is not the same. You're right. She's like, no, it's
the same thing. And no, it's not. Listen to the

(01:31:31):
words you're acting like. It means you're not normally that
that that word is Your wife good at saying like
you're talking in a normal tone, Like I'm not even
yelling me right, I don't yell very I was in
a bad mood yesterday and I wasn't in a bad mood,
and I end up apologizing for being in a bad
mood that I wasn't in a bad mood because she
said and it put me in a bad mood that
she said it was in a bad mood, and I

(01:31:52):
swear it wasn't in a bad mood, Clay, I just,
I mean not. Twenty minutes before we talked, I came downstairs.
I was asking my wife because getting something done on
the house and it's a decision that has to be made,
and so I got an email about it. I don't
even want to be involved in it. I immediately forwarded
to her and I say, hey, do you decide what
color the cabinets are going to be? All right? Gray
or white? I have no idea, right, no idea what

(01:32:13):
they's just gonna look like. Moreover, I don't even want
you to tell me what the answer is because I'm
afraid that I'll mess it up. Right, She'll tell me
gray and I'll stay white. Like want you to go
directly to the builder, Okay. I came and I told
her that twenty minutes ago, and she's like, this tone
that you're using with me is just not the right tone.
And I'm like, I, I honestly just don't even know
what I want you to tell she said the burb

(01:32:34):
that you're you know, It's like, I just what do
you just choose the Catholic color? Like I don't even
what do you want me to say here? Like I've
I've got a billion things I'm trying to take care of.
If I ask you to take care of the cabinet color,
can you just do it without trying to analyze the
tone of my language when I'm asking you to do it.
I genuinely don't care about the cabinet color at all,
and I probably wuldn't even notice which cabinet color we
end up with it. It's true, just what, yes, yes,

(01:32:56):
ma'am um, I would go with gray, uh, And that
would be that would be my my personal if you
want me to. And I've only learned that because my
wife would tell you, wife that white is white is yesterday,
gray is tomorrow, go with the gray cabinets. It's ridiculous
that I know this. But my wife's response was gray
is in now, which I never would have known. She's like,

(01:33:16):
but I'm not sure that gray has the stake of
white power that white has. And every time I have
a conversation like that, I just stared at the ceiling
and think why the world did I ever get married?
I don't know where do I? Where do I sign
up to lose half my stuff? Clay Travis check out
Out kicked the coverage every morning on Fox Sports Tradio.
Thanks Clay. A. Former NFL general manager Michael Lombardi joins us.

(01:33:37):
I'll ask him his thoughts on what it does to
the Cowboys team. They won't have Zekei Elliott their first
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(01:34:00):
We're gonna get to Michael Lombardi, former NFL GM now
covers the NFL for The Ringer, has a great podcast
called GM Street. But first let's go to Isaac Loincron
with a quick update. Breaking news from Fox Sports Dallas.
Cowboys running back a Zeke Heel Elliott, as expected, has
officially appealed his six games suspension. The NFL players Association

(01:34:24):
has just released a statement reading, in part quote, we
will represent Ezekiel as we do all players, to ensure
that the NFL has held to its obligation of adhering
to principles of industrial do process under the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Unquote. Doug,
back to you, Thanks, Isaac. Let's welcome in Michael Lombardi.
As I mentioned a former NFL GM you have to

(01:34:44):
download his podcast on the Ringer called GM Street. Um,
it feels like the Cowboys knew something was coming, right, Like,
I know, Ronnie Hillman's more for for training camp reps,
but uh, it feels like, you know, Alfred Morris along
with Darren McFadden. That should be enough for the first
six games, shouldn't it. Well you think so, But I mean, look,
you gotta, Doug, you gotta go back and really understand

(01:35:05):
this Cowboy offense. I mean, of the time last year
a number one in the National Football League, they were
able to get four yards on first down. They rushed
more than most teams. They were third in the NFL
and rushing attempts in the first half run fifty four pass.
So now those numbers are going to change, and I
think the biggest factor is Elliott in the passing game.

(01:35:26):
He had like thirty nine catches last year. He was explosive.
I thought they were going to really advance that and
move forward. Now they're gonna have to take that step
back when McFadden's in the game or Morris is in
the game. Particularly defensive coordinators say, yo, it's gonna be run, run, screen, screen,
there's really no passing game, and you can play an
eight man front effectively against him. When Elliott was in there,

(01:35:46):
you had to really be careful. So I think it's
dramatically going to change the play call, and it's gonna
put the onus on Jason Garrett and and the onus
on Dak Prescott, right, I mean, like look, and and
they play a more difficult schedule. I mean, you know
last year I fairly saw scheduled this year Giants at
home where they opened with and lost to last year,
than to Denver to take on that incredible defense to
Arizona home to the Rams Packers before they get to

(01:36:09):
arrest it with the with the Niners. What's your what
are your expectations? Year two? Bigger playbook, but bigger expectations
and no star running back early on the season for
Dak Prescott. Well, I think last year, when you really
go over their season, they were fortunate because their offense
carried their defense to the first ten games. They were
very good in time of possession. Last year in terms
of their defense, really played about a single header of

(01:36:32):
a game. They never played doubleheaders. They were playing twenty
six five minutes. And as they got better and improved
during the season, they increased our playtime and improved offensively.
That's not gonna happen this year. And I wrote about
a month ago for The Ringer, I talked about how
Jason Garrett's really in a tough spot because he's going
to have to figure out his team might be two
and three at the bye, and he might have to

(01:36:53):
look at it and say we need to shift. They
may be a better team with the worst record. I
really think the onus is going to be on the
Cowboys coaching staff. They they let their team down in
the playoff game. There's no reason green Bay should come
into Dallas Stadium and beat that team, not that green
Bay team that got killed by the Atlanta Falcons by
the half last year. So Dallas is going to have
to change what they do offensively, And I think Elliott's

(01:37:14):
going to be the preemptive force to force them into
changing because if they don't, teams are going to gear
up for him. The one thing they were able to
do is win first down. That's not going to happen
as much, all right. So if we don't like what
this does to the Cowboys, does it directly benefit a
team like the Giants? Most who in that division benefits
the most from that six game suspension? You know, Doug,

(01:37:35):
when I was growing up that division was Tom Landry,
Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels, Joe Gibbs, and Buddy Ryan. And
now I'm looking at Ben McAdoo, Doug Peterson, Jason Garrett,
and Jay Gruden. I'm like, where happened here? What happened
to he Henney? Where is all the great coaches gone?
And I think that really the Giants are the best
team except Eric Flowers. The left tackle has to be

(01:37:56):
able to pass protect way better than he did in
the opening preseason game where T. J. Watt went around
him for a sack. They've got to get better production
out of Bobby Heart, their right tackle. Their offensive line
has been an Achilles heal and when you look at
Eli Manning season last year, it was the average sixteen
points a game they won with their defense. Can they
do that again? I'm not sure they can. They have
a thousand plays on Ben mcadoo's playlist. It looks like

(01:38:18):
the Cheesecake Factory menu in front of them. However, they
don't score enough points. So that being said, I'm concerned
about them. I'm concerned about the Redskins. The Redskins don't
look to be the same team that they were last year.
I think Bill Callahan, their offensive line coach, does a
great job of keeping it all together. They made a
change in defense coordinators to Greg Manuski. I'm not sure
that's going to be the answer. And then the Eagles

(01:38:39):
have a really good football team. Their depth in the
defensive line is much improved. But can Carson Wentzon proved?
Can he throw the ball better over ten yards than
he did last year? Last year he averaged completion when
he threw the ball over ten yards. That ain't gonna
cut it, and he's gonna have to be better at that,
and I think that's really gonna be the challenge. Michael
Lombardi joining us. You talking about the future Green Bay
Packers defense at the endussy just completely depleted in the

(01:39:01):
back on the back end, uh by by injury. They
opened up with the Seahawks. There are there's a lot
of time Aaron Rodgers going to get a new contract
at some point in the very near future. Uh. This
is a team that went from UM playoff hopeful to
make an incredible run at the end of the season,
probably playing above their level on you know, on the
on the arm and legs of of Aaron Rodgers. What

(01:39:22):
are your thoughts on how they filled some of their
their holes and their weaknesses. I applaud Ted Thompson. I mean,
he finally Ted Thompson was the guy who never wanted
to go outside of the mainstream way he developed player personnel.
He never liked free agency, always wanted to hang on
the compense story picks. Last year he did, he changed,
He went out. He was able to find Martelli's Bennett

(01:39:42):
in free agency. And I think what he learned last
year in the playoffs was when you give Aaron Rodgers
enough good players around them and they don't have to
be college free agents, he can make everybody look better.
I mean, this is one of the most I mean,
if I'm Aaron Rodgers. I'm saying, look, Matthew Stafford, get
your contract. Everybody get their deals, because my I should
be the high s paid player of anybody, because I
carry this team on my back, because I'm that good.

(01:40:04):
I mean, that throw he made against Dallas is one
in a million throw that should have been at some
state fair throw. It's unbelievable he could put the ball there.
So for me, I think Aaron Rodgers carries that team. Now,
can they stay healthy? That's the key component for the Packers. Defensively,
They've not been able to do that. And Dom Caper's
has always tried to do what I call curly in
the boat. He's always trying to plug one hole to

(01:40:25):
fill another hole, and all of a sudden he has
two weeks of his boat and it's a problem. Um,
let's go to Atlanta. The Falcons not didn't just make
the playoffs and made the Super Bowl, should have won
the Super Bowl, right, they just take it. They take
a knee on after Julio Jones catch kick a field
goal and go home with their with their first Super
Bowl championship. They don't. And we've seen this time and again.
The team that loses in the Super Bowl oftentimes falls

(01:40:47):
apart the next season. The division should be better, right,
Saints couldn't be any worse defensively? Uh, Tampa seems to
be coming on and Carolina was down after a Super
Bowl year the year before. What's your assessment of what
Atlanta will look like this year as opposed to being
a dominant team in the NFC last year. Look, I
don't want to take anything away from Steve Sarkisian. He's
a fine football coach. But what what Kyle Shanahan did

(01:41:09):
last year I don't think really was truly appreciated. Matt
Ryan's numbers weren't just good above his average, they were
unbelievably above his average. If he would have been a
baseball player, there would have been a commission going out
to see if he was on steroids, because he was
incredible what he did. His numbers were so far above
his career statistical average, and much of that is because

(01:41:30):
of the way Kyle Shadahan drew up the game plan,
the way Matt Ryan was bought into the offense. I
just don't see them being as good as they were
last year offensively. I don't think Steve Sarkisian can duplicate
what Kyle Shanahan did. I've never seen it out of
Steve's offense. I've seen it out of Kyle. That being said,
I think they're better on defense. I think they're much
better on defense. I think they have more of a
confidence to him defensively, and I think they can rush

(01:41:53):
the passer. And obviously getting Desmond Trufan back will tremendously
help the secondary, who they didn't have in the Super Bowl.
It might have been a huge difference. But you're right, Doug.
The South is much better. I think Tampa they're like
an unmade bed. They look weird, they don't they turn
the ball over, but for whatever reason, because of the
way Jamis Winston plays, they always stay in games. And
they may not win perfectly. They're not gonna be a

(01:42:14):
Hollywood script, but they find a way to win games.
I think Caroline is much improved too. I think Cam
Newton will have a better season. I think they've got
more weapons. I think they'll be more a factor offensively defensively,
assuming that Luke Keekley can stay healthy from the concussion
protocol and not get hit again. I think that's a
huge if but that New Orleans has to be better,
as you said, on defense, but they're always gonna be

(01:42:35):
good on offense with Drew Brees, and they've got a
lot of weapons down there. So I think the South
is gonna be a team Whe're gonna get the wild
cards coming from them. They're really good. I just don't
see Atlanta being as good offensively, but I think they're
a better football team totally. They may not win thirteen games,
they may not dominate their way they did offensively, but
I think they're gonna win as many games because they
could do different things. Michael Lombardi form NFL GM. He'll

(01:42:55):
be r GM this year on the Doug Gottlie Show.
Can download his podcast. It's just outstanding. Listen called GM Street.
It's on the Ringer the Ringer's website. Download it, listen
to it and it's just a plethora of information. Okay,
So Mitch dr Bisky now is uh is? I believe
he's the Triumph and he's God, he's Jesus and he's
the Holy Spirit. In in Chicago, they're already um taking,

(01:43:18):
you know, taking measurements for the Hall of Fame. Bust
you you've done this, your entire professional life, right, seeing
the guys that make it, seeing the guys that are
are weren't what you thought were better than you thought
you're one weekend. We need to temper some of these
expectations Drabinsky, because he did to the layman at least
looked outstanding last week. Yeah, but look it's the first
preseason game and it's in the third and fourth quarter

(01:43:41):
where the coverages and the schemes are basically almost high schoolish.
It's very vanilla, and the offense he was running was
very vanilla. Look, this is a kid who didn't play
lout in North Carolina. Took him to a senior year
that we got on the field, and he's gonna take
some time to learn. The game is going to speed up,
the volume of offense is going to increase. In those
two factors, the speed of the game him and the
volume of the offense always catch up on young players.

(01:44:03):
You need a lot of experience. You need that Malcolm
Gladwell ten thousand hours. But you also need that build
Bruce Springsteen born to run enthusiasts where you can actually
keep keep working and keep getting better. I think that's
what Drabinsky needs to do. He needs to get experienced,
and he needs to have that great enthusiasm. It's gonna
take some time. The problem is Mike Lennon has him
produced to the level that they thought he would, especially

(01:44:24):
paying him fifteen million a year. I think that's the
concern if your Bears fans. You've got to get more
out of Mike glenn and Mike Lennon has to play better.
And Mike Lennon has enough experience to go in these
preseason games and look much better than he did in
the opener. All right, so what do you do? I like,
do you do you start him right away? Do you?
I mean, look, if I were Ryan Pace, I wouldn't
have traded up to get one pick to get if
I wanted Trabisky, I wouldn't have signed Glennon. I would

(01:44:46):
have just I would have said, hey, I'm all in
with Glennon. We're rebuilding with this quarterback. The problems You've
got a head coach who's essentially in his lane duck year.
John Fox doesn't he wants to try to win. He's
trying to save his job. Pace is trying to save
his job. There's a lot of disconnect. Oh Walsh once
said you know, the worst thing to fight is the
civil war. And I think sometimes these teams in the
NFL fight a civil war internally because they're not on

(01:45:07):
the same page. I think it's gonna be a challenge
for me. I think Trabisky we should play. I think
DeShawn Watson should play, because I think DeShawn Watson gives
him a chance by the middle of the season to
be a much better football team with him playing than
perhaps Tom Savage. But it takes time to get these
guys ready to play and ready to go. The other guy,
the other one is Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes looks like

(01:45:27):
he's got a chance to be really good. And Alex
Smith is going to be a lame duck quarterback. And
we know this. I've grew up in the great State
of New Jersey. Lame state. Lame duck governors never work,
and lame duck quarterbacks don't work either. Yeah. I mean,
like look that, I actually think Fox, if you're trying
to save your job, you play the young kid that way.
When you play, don't play well, you go, hey, look
I'm throwing a rookie quarterback out there, right. Yeah, I

(01:45:49):
just you know, owners don't want to hear any excuses
when you lose. You know, it's great for the fans.
We talked about while you were stuck with this guy.
You're paid to win, You're paid to find the solutions,
and I think John knows this, and I think he
wants to try to manage the game as best he ken. Look,
why not play a rookie quarterback. You don't want to
turn the ball over, you don't want to make mistakes,
you don't want to give the game away, you don't

(01:46:10):
want to lose the game. You want to try to
win the game. And when you play rookie quarterbacks, at
times you'll lose the game because he'll make mistakes. Michael
Lombardi great stuff. Download the podcast it's called GM Street.
You can download wherever podcasts are available, or just go
to the Ringer's website and downloaded former NFL GM. He
spend his entire professional life either in TV or actually

(01:46:31):
doing the work that you're watching all these other men
do with some of the best in the business. Michael,
thanks so much for joining us. Michael Lombardi joining us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. The SEC is not dead
yet and I'll tell you why after we find out
what's trending well, Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. People
have declared the SEC's reign of terror dead dead, I

(01:46:55):
tell you dead. But here's the thing. YESEC wasn't his
dominant as you perceived them to be anyway, nor are
they as uh dominated as your perception of them. SEC.
For the eleventh straight year, I had more players drafted
than anybody else. Part of that is they're really good.
They're really deep, especially um on the interior lines and

(01:47:16):
defensive backfield and offensive backfield. Part of it is they
also have four teen teams, right, They're gonna have more
than say the Big twelve. Um, they're gonna have more.
And and to anyone who's like, look, there were years
where Penn State and Michigan they weren't doing the job
in recruiting. They just weren't. And the other thing that's

(01:47:37):
that's hurt Northern football. They have me Yankees more is
the advent of what was first Big East football. And
you have the likes of a Cincinnati Rutgers for a
good porshtop who was now in the Big Ten. Obviously,
but Rutgers has had a stretch they've had McCarthy boys

(01:47:58):
obviously played there. Um, look, Rutgers had taken Jersey is
a very good high school football state, and Nebraska, for example,
you used to be able to get in there and
get players. Well, now Jersey kids can stay home. Penn
State used to go in there and Penn State stopped.
Was not recruiting at a high level for a good

(01:48:18):
portion of the end of Joe paus run and before
they had Bill O'Brien as their head coach. Now they're
a recruiting juggernaut. Whereas SEC schools have always done well,
the population has kind of migrated their way. Football is
still king there and they've gotten into Texas. With Texas

(01:48:38):
and m joining the league, all of that has helped
Texas recruiting, which is where Texas and Florida all in
Louisiana all the players are. So there are other factors
which have worked their way, and they've also with the
coaching unrested l s U, with the coaching change at Georgia,
with the coaching changes at Florida, UH there there have

(01:49:02):
been other factors which have limited the SEC's upside of
their elite programs. The elite programs in the SEC are Florida, Georgia,
l s U and Bama, and and to a lesser extent,
Auburn is right there right Auburn's. Auburn's success has almost

(01:49:23):
always been followed by probation. But when those programs are
when you have Florida down, Georgia, Florida and Georgia in
transition and now l s U in transition, that's what's heard.
The perceptional leaks leak still really good, had a run
on bad quarterbacks, still a run on draft picks. It

(01:49:43):
was never as dominant as previously perceived. Remember Alabama and
LSU met in the regular season one versus two met
again the national championship game. Had that not happened, you
might have had a different national champion. Oklahoma couldn't seem
to get over Florida where l s You couldn't win
those other national championship games. Had that happened, the entire

(01:50:04):
perception changes. The SEC wasn't as dominant as you perceive
them to be, nor are they as beaten as you
perceive it in SEC. West is still a bear to
go through. The old miss is easier now with probation pending.
Mississippi State has always been good every three or you know,
four years or so. But do you want to play Arkansas,

(01:50:29):
then Alabama, then Auburn, then Texas, A and M Good luck?
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(01:50:51):
Fox Sports Radio. We got a bunch of stuff to
get to, including what Dak Prescott thinks about Zekey Elliott's suspension.
Let's find out the press the press right, here's Isaac
glowing Kron Isaac, what you got for us, Doug? As
we announced a short time ago, Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott,

(01:51:12):
as expected, officially appealed his six games suspension. Well today
at Cowboys practice over here in Oxnard, their quarterback Dak
Prescott said that the suspension actually creates opportunity for some
other players. He said, quote, we have great running backs
Darren McFadden, Alfred Morris. Those guys have had a lot
of success in this league for a long time. It's

(01:51:32):
just an opportunity for them to come in and get
more reps in that time off. Unquote. Again that's from
Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescotts. He's learned to not say anything
other than to encourage the players that are on the field. Right,
that's being a quarterback one oh one. It's like one
of those deals to where and I understand, like there's
it's really hard to take any one side, like right,

(01:51:54):
if you you say a uh, I mean, no one
is pro domestic abuse, right, But if he's the defendant guy,
a guy knows Zeke seeks a great guy. I don't
think Zeke did this, like he gets crushed if he
takes her side, you know, and says he deserves to
sit down, he gets crushed because he's so he just
simply says, hey, you know, this is about my team.

(01:52:18):
And that's what quarterbacks too. It's one of the things
that people don't understand about the Kaepernick feel. It's different
when you're the quarterback. You almost have to be a
political in all discussions from a quarterback to a linebacker.
The Carolina Panthers today Doug signed veteran linebacker Thomas Davis
so one year, six point seven five million dollar extension

(01:52:39):
through the season. Davis currently thirty four years old. Well,
and that tells you why Dave Getleman was fired, right.
This is one of the most respected players in the
history of the Carolina Panthers. The owner loves him, and
Dave Getleman didnt want to give him an extension. He
gets a I like his three million guaranteed one million
next year. We're gonna keep you on the team because

(01:53:01):
we love you. Even if he can't run, he's had
three A C. L. Tear's great, dude, good football player.
If he can't run, though he can't play. And I
think Getleman drew a line in the sand and the
owner said, if it's him or you, then you gotta
go from the NFC South to the a f C South.
Deshaun Watson, the rookie, has been getting first team reps

(01:53:22):
at quarterback with the Houston Texans starting offense. Now the
presumptive starting quarterback veteran Tom Savage, was asked about it
and he said, quote, I think with pretty much every team,
the backup is going to get reps with the ones.
I'm just going to worry about what I can control.
We let the coaches handle the rest and we'll go
out there and focus on what we can control. Unquote,

(01:53:45):
Uh yeah, that sounds good. But like, look, you got
the first round quarterback. First round quarterback is gonna play.
That's the best way it works. It's quite not a
question if, but when, really hard position for Savage to
be in. Um, Like, look, if your Savages keep going
balling out. He actually played well last game and played
better from the pocket. But you heard Michael Lombardi say
he thinks he gives him a chance if he gets

(01:54:05):
enough reps by mid season. Um, it's a hard one
because you play him early, you may be rewarded more
late by Watson. On the other hand, if you play
him early, he may be exposed because you get the
book on him late. So it's a hard catch. Twenty two. Meanwhile,
onto college football. Davo Sweeney, the head coach of the

(01:54:25):
defending national champion Clemson Tigers, and the Rich Eyes and
Show earlier today here on Fox Sports Radio, and he
says he wouldn't mind of college teams meeting in the preseason.
He says, quote, I'd love to have the opportunity to
go scrimmage and other opponent someone you don't know much
about teammates know all each other's nuances, and when you're
on a practice field day in and day out, it
would be nice to have one team on a sideline

(01:54:47):
to play against another opponent unquote. Now this is technically possible.
It's kind of like NFL joint practice and practices in
the preseason. The problem is, according to n c Double
A by laws, if they did have like a point
preseason scrimmage with another team, they'd have to use that
in place of an actual regular season game, which would
cost a lot of money. In college basketball, they have

(01:55:08):
secret scrimmages against it. They where you can go and
scrimmage somebody. The problem is that like, are you gonna
let some let him hit each other? If you let
h hit each other, something's gonna get hurt. Um. I
think they can get past the it counts as a
game thing, but I think it'll be hard for coaches
to get past are we going to get hurt? Thing?
And finally we discussed this. You discussed this earlier today

(01:55:30):
on the show, a podcast by NBA veteran Richard Jefferson.
Everybody seems to have a podcast these days, but he
discussed the tenure of Darren Williams is one time teammate
with the Cleveland Cavaliers, And it was some candid and
I opening discourse. When you talk to darn Darren about golf,

(01:55:50):
his eyes light up. When you talk to him about
m m A, his eyes light up. And so I
was like, Darren, I was like, you should like, well,
I know, people talking about coming off the bench of
the guests not light high. Yes, the same. Darren Williams
once drafted before Chris Paul, by the way. Yeah, look,

(01:56:10):
let's remember Darren was a very good player, even that
Chris Paul was very It was a very good player
in his day. But injuries have totally depleted him. The
Mavericks tried to put Humpty Dumpty back together, they could not,
and he looked washed up. And I think one thing
Richard Jefferson proved in that podcast was mentally he knew
it was over. That's why his eyes didn't light up.

(01:56:31):
Bag get out there and pressed. That was the press
and the one thing true in sports. You can't run,
you can't play right basketball. And it happened really fast
for Jason Kidd. He got exposed Mike Bibby in the
NBA Finals, He got exposed, started games one through five
for the heat, didn't didn't play a minute in game six,
same thing happened to him. He didn't play a little
bit afterwards. The same thing with Darren Williams. Right Um

(01:56:53):
started the year with the Mavericks. They thought they could
put him back together physically and they just couldn't. We'll
be live at Chargers training camp tomorrow and beautiful Coast
of Mesa, California. Hopefully it's actor Philip Rivers, Hunrah Henry
and the boys. How can they win l A? How
do you win people over? I mean it starts with

(01:57:15):
winning games, and how do you get over giving away
some of those games late last year and this year?
How do you change the culture With new head coach
Anthony Lynn will join you live from Chargers camp tomorrow
on the Dug Out Leave Show Fox Sports Radio.

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