Why The Patriots Are Consistently Great

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You're listening to Fox Sports. What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
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We'll ask him if it's okay to buy into Blake

(00:23):
Bortles and if my Bortles theory uh is the right
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We posted there. Twitter page posted there as well. Um,
but look, my basic thought on Blake portals as this

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before I get to Tom Brady and what's going on
in New England with the Patriots. Um, we have we have,
we have changed. We have changed how we're evaluating Blake
Bortles right like we've gone from Blake Bortles is not
a competent of starting quarterback to even take a snap
from center for the Jacksonville Jaguars to where we are now,

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which is well, you know, he's more than competent, but
he's not good enough to win a super with Like,
if you're reasonable, he has reasonably and maybe unreasonably exceeded
all expectations for his ability to progress this year. If
you go back and you watch preseason Jacksonville Jaguars games,
he was skipping passes. He was completely lost. He looked

(01:31):
a shelled, he looked like mentally he was shot. And
now he's not so to go from there to here.
Now we're like, well, maybe you can't win to SUPERO
with him. You're probably right, but that doesn't mean that
this season hasn't been a win for Alright, more on
that with Daniel Jeremiah upcoming. Patriarch just want to be like,
here's the difference in organizations. We we talked to you

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yesterday about Ben Roethlisberger, and you know, now Ben Roethlisberger
suddenly has amnesia. He can't remember exactly what happened on
that play that led to the you know, game ending interception.
Like now he has amnesias, Like you know what I'm
gonna go, Senator, I don't recall that's what he's done.
We talked about the difference in Patriots and Ian Steelers, right,

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the Steelers quarterback is like, look, I thought we should
have spiked the ball. I didn't like but but you know,
my bad on the interception. We never hear any of
that from Brady. When Brady plays poorly, it's I played poorly.
When he plays well, it's we played well. But but
in case you didn't know what, what Bob McNair, the

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owner of the text and said, is in fact accurate
and appropriate for the best run organizations, the best run
sports teams. Bob McNair courps got into hot water because
he was talking about football players and their protests and
how that was viewed and whatever, and he's like, hey,
the inmates don't run the prison. And suddenly if you're

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like whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, um, people trying to make
the correlation between prison and as black guys that are protesting,
he's got to be talking about black people when he
was simply reforming a commonly used phrase, which is inmates
don't run the asylum, which, if you really, if you

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want to be that guy that takes that next unnecessary
step of connecting race with commonly used expressions, like you're saying,
these people that are protesting are crazy, it's an expression.
But the Patriots have stripped Tom Brady's trainer of various
team privileges. Apparently there's a riff between the trainer and

(03:50):
Bill Belichick. This according to report in the Boston Globe,
Alex Guerrero is the guy's name, Tom Brady, I'm not
sure if you were. He had a book out called
The TV twelve Method. They partnered together to launch the
TV twelveth Center, where Brady and several other Patriot players
have trained and received treatment since it opened two thousand thirteen.
According to The Globe, Guerrero, who has an office near

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the Patriots locker room, will no longer be permitted to
treat players other than Brady in his office. He's also
reportedly banned from boarding the Patriots jets they have two
of them, and his sideline access is in fact revoked. Belichick.
Brady told w E I it's a Boston station quote.

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I don't have any comment other than say that Alex,
it's been well documented, has been huge part of what
I do, and I'm so fortunate to have him not
only as a friend, but with everything we've been able
to do together. He's a huge, huge, reason while I'm
still playing. He's called him a genius. You go back
to his ESPN, the magazine article, you go to his book.

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Other patriots have bought into the TV twelve method. Those
one of them is Julian Edelman, who tours a c
L this year in a non contact injury. He's got
Tom Brady completely convinced that you've gotta be pliable, You've
gotta be flexible, you have to eat this special diet,
and because of it, that's why you're able to play

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after the age of forty. I mean, this is nothing
other than it's like, hey, if you're a scientologist, like,
that's cool. We just don't need you to spreading the
message of scientology in our locker room. Right. That's basically
what this is. And this is Bill Belichick saying, Hey,
the inmates don't run the asylum, the prison, the locker room.

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They just don't. Tom Brady is a great player. Whatever
he wants to do, however he wants to train, fine,
do it. Whatever it takes for you to get ready,
Get ready, right. Serrano wanted to sacrifice a live chicken,
can do a live chicken. Somebody will get a bucket
of KFC right, that's how you manage sports teams. Inmates
can't run the prison, the island and the best and

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the perfect example of why the Patriots get more out
of less year after year is they keep their best
player in check. Best players in check, and companies that
run amuck don't. Right, you you coach your best player
the hardest, not the softest. Now you have to know

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that some guys can't take it, some guys will in
fact break down. But the last twenty four hours of
news comparing the Patriots and how they're handling this, and
the Steelers and how they're handling the loss, and now
all of a sudden, the sudden amnesia, Senator I can't
recall from Ben Roethlisberger tells you all you need to
know about the organizations. When the defense was awful to

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start the year with an Ingham Patriots and still not good.
When did you ever hear Tom Brady say, you know,
we get a stop now and again, right, I haven't
hearn any of that, any discussion of that. And though
they may have sideline tips, there is no getting in
front of the microphone and Tom Brady disagreeing with Josh
McDaniel's play calls none of that. That doesn't happen even

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now when they boot out his trainer, a guy who
Tom Brady believes is partially and maybe mostly and you
if you read his book, he he almost thinks solely
responsible for his longevity. They don't like, hey, dude, stay
out of our locker room, don't treat our guys, stay

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off our jet, stay off for our sideline like this,
dude's getting too the Heisman, stay away. You want to
work with Brady, fine, do that cookie workout stuff there.
The rest of our guys, we have paid professionals, paid professionals.
So I mean, look, do you even look at the

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at the New York Giants, right. They tried to appease
Eli Manning by going to Eli and going like, listen, Eli,
we're gonna start yep, but we might pull you at
the end of the game. Elies like, look, I don't
want to start start somebody else. I'm above that. That
does not pertain to me. I am Eli Manning. I

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have won two Super Bowls, I have never missed a game,
and I don't need your cockamami streak so that you
can replace me in the fourth quarter of a game.
We're not supposed to win anyway, and so they relented no,
not starting him the last two games. They relented him
previous to that by not starting him at all, and
that showed that they did not have the ability to lead.

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Like look, they went to the owner, and the owners like, sure,
I don't love it, but okay, I get it. Gentle
manager on board, coach on board, ownership on board. Eli
not on board. Okay, why do you have to go
to Eli Manning? Well, you guys don't understand. He's Eli Manning.
So he's a football player. He collects his checks. His
check does not change whether he plays three quarters or

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four doesn't change a penny. So you could have either
not gone to him or and and done it anyway,
or gone to him and he's like, no, I don't
want to start, Like, no, no no, you're starting. This is
what we're doing. If you're not going to start, that
is your call. There's you making decision that you don't
want to start, not us. We want to start you.
We love you, try and win games. We just want

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you to know that we're we gotta get these other
guys some reps. But when the inmates run the asylum,
this is what brings places down happens in our business.
Look around the landscape. When people overreact and go based
upon what the players want doesn't sit well with the fans.
Same thing in TV and radio, any business. You could

(09:47):
make suggestions. There's a suggestion box over there. We can
go play golf and you can say, hey, you know,
there's one idea. But generally bosses like to be bosses.
They don't like to be told what to do. They've
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well been Dann and Jeremiah from the NFL Network. I
know what DJs thing is like, you're Jewish like I
like Christmas like good like good music. It could be
about Kwanza. It's good music, like I don't don't care. DJ.
You're San Diego guy, have you ever experienced a white Christmas?
White Christmas? I live in with school and there up
in the mountains, so it's got a little bit snowy

(11:19):
up there. I always got home before you guys. Were
you guys still playing still around campus? Then? Yeah? We
were one double A playoffs man, we were. We were
deep into the playoff hunt every year. So it was
always it was always like a week before Christmas and
they would be usually we'd be done and then get
out of there. So never on Christmas Day have I
had have I had a white Christmas? But I do

(11:41):
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It's like my son. My son had a Christmas performance
or a holiday performance water it said Mary everything by

(12:02):
the way, for at his school. And he's like me,
like he likes to sing, he likes to wrap, he
likes to dance, but he's not good at any of
those three. And my daughter's actually can sing. They make
sure and let us let us know, um, all right,
if if there was one gift you could get from
your wife for Christmas, what would it be like that?
What's the one thing you really really want? You appreciate this.

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We just move and I needed we don't have a
hoop at this house, so I gotta get a hoop.
Who I can help you with that? My son, we
just moved here and so we don't really have a
spot for a hoop, but we have a huge garage
and we're My son just that kind of hit me
up to He's like, I did ask Santa for a hoop.
I hope he brings a hoop. I hope he knows
it's kind of hard to get it in there. But

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I was like, all right, it looks like I need
to talk to santaz Elle's about heading over to Dick
Sporting Goods. Let me I have to give about Bartles
Blake Bortles in the Jacksonville Jaguars. I do think that
one of the things that's changed. We started the year
like do that guy can't even start for Game one,
and so he's clearly been able to be at least

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a solid quarterback, and over the last month, granted against
some bad defense, is he's been a very good starting quarterback.
So we're holding him to a completely different level of
kind of accountability now as opposed to the start of
the year. Give me your sense of how much do
you think he'll hold them back in their quest to
win playoff games? Well, okay, we come off with a

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couple of years ago watching Peyton Manning, who was way done.
I mean, I'm not comparing Portals and Pete Manning over
the life of their career, but the man that we
saw win a Super Bowl with the Broncos was not
very good, and it was a defense dominated team and
they didn't put him in bad situations. He didn't have
to chase I mean, I think that's one of the
major differences. Is this defense is so dang dominant that

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he's never in a chase position. Um, they're always in
kind of they want to be they want to be
aggressive an attack, they can do it, but they're never
in a situation where everybody knows, hey, you gotta throw
the ball. Um. So hey, look his confidence has has
risen and he's playing solid football. I know people keep
saying that Blake's playing out of his mind. I'm like, no,
he's not. He's just taking kind of what's there. He's
he's playing solid football. And I think with that defense,

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the way they can suffocate you, I don't think you
want to see them in the postseason. Yeah, I'm I'm
intrigued by it. Let's let's get to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Um. Look,
I mean they very easily could have won that game
if not for this crazy cockamamie ruling of what completing
a process. If it catches that said, they're not gonna
have Shas here. I don't know when they'll have Antonio Brown.

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And then there's this weird disconnect between coach and player.
Right Like Big Ben's like, look, I didn't I wanted
to clock the ball. He keeps saying, and he's like,
you know, my bad in the interception, but I wanted
to clock the ball and then and then people asked
him about the actual route and he's like, I don't remember.
Whereas their head coach, he's like, hey, look it's Ben Roethlisberger.

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He calls plays the last he can change his mind,
the las scrimge whatever he wants. What do you make
of the lack of accountability from Big Ben as to
what went wrong at the end of that game? Well,
I'll be consistent here because this is the kind of
stuff we would say, you know, with Robert Griffin the
thirds press conferences, um, all throughout the years when he
just couldn't didn't handle himself the right way, and people

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thought that was unfair when he was criticized. Look, I
love you the same criticism To bend. The rule is
simple for quarterback stug in press conferences, it's very very simple.
Anything goes wrong, you'll own it. Um, anything goes right,
you share it. And to me, Ben kind of broke
that rule with his response to that no matter what happened, look,
you just you own it. You wear it. Hey, I
gotta be better, you know, you get your teeth, even

(15:38):
if it's not the truth. You said that I screwed up.
I gotta do better. It's on me. UM, I'll get
it fixed. That's just how you answer those questions. I
don't know why Um he went the direction he did,
but I think in order to be fair, you know,
if you're gonna criticize some of these other guys for
saying stupid stuff after games, I think Ben Deservice is
fair share here, no no question about that. UM. Do
you think they can win a Super bar to a

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Super Bowl? Considering the injuries they have and now the
likelihood they have to go on the road, I don't
think they can beat England's UM. I don't. I don't
like that matchup. And I don't know why New England
didn't wear them out with cronks in the first half.
They waited to do that a little bit later, but
Shasier that's a huge missing piece for them. And and

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I think New England once especially you get into a
postseason UM win or go home type atmosphere, they will
wear their weakness out and they're gonna put those linebackers
in coverage with backs and tight ends, and I don't
think they're gonna be able to slow them down. Yeah,
I tend to agree with you. Daniel Jeremiah from the
NFL Network also has a great podcast called Move the Sticks.
Uh he and Bucky Brooks. You can download that podcast.

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It's fantastic. Bucky's joined us as well. DJ joined just
throughout the NFL season. Um, look, the Eagles offense wasn't
great against the Giants. It's just one week, but you know, like,
look the Eagles kind of puffed out their chest after
WinCE went down, Like, look, we invested a lot of
money in our backup quarterback and this is why. I
but how big a drop off is there now with

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no wins and falls in there? Well, I mean, look,
he goes four touchdowns, no picks. To me, I came
out of that game after watching the tape, I think that,
you know, look it's the left tackle, Doug when you
watch that, that's what scares me if I'm the Eagles.
I mean, Jason Peters, you know, not being in there
is one thing. When you've got Wentz, who can you know,

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do some Houdini stuff and get out of trouble. The
fall is not gonna be able to get out of
waste some of that stuff and he got beat up
pretty good by Olivia Vernon in that game, So that
would be a major concern for me. The Giants kind
of switched up what they were doing. They tried to
rush three and four, then they tried to bring heavy pressure.
I thought Fulls handled it pretty well. Um to me
with that with that team right now, left tackles my

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number one concern, and the secondary is number two. I mean,
Eli Manning and a team with two wins that's got
every reason to pack it in and they throw for
four in thirty yards or whatever they threw four in
that game. They need to they need They're gonna be
a team that I look for them to rest guys
if they can get it done and secure the bye
or the number one seed this week. You won't see
any of them in the last week. And they need

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to get those secondary players fresh. They look a little
bit heavy legged. Let me ask you about the Rams
as they go in and they just curb stomp the
Seattle Seahawks there. They were up thirty and forty to
forty to nothing in that game. You've watched the tape.
Was it as bad as the score would indicate? Yeah,
it was a line of scrimmage beating um. It was
the first play of the game. You watch it, they

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go fourteen yards and there you know Tyler Higbee the
tight end. And I did all their preseason games. I thought,
you know, he's an effort guy at the run game,
but not the best run blocker that you're ever gonna
see from the tight end position. He takes a safety
and drives him about fifteen yards down the field on
the very first play of the game, and it was
it was like that across the board. Up front, they
just dominated the Seahawks. I mean, Gurly, as great as

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he was, it was not the most difficult running he's
had to do in his career. Dannier Jeremiah joining us
in the Doug Gotlip Show. All right, So what about
the the the Rams. You know, we've talked about some
of the other teams and there, you know the Eagles
and their playoff hopes. What is your sense for how
legitimate the Super Bowl possibilities are for the l A. Rams. No,

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I think it's legit. I think you you look at
what they can do on the line of scrimmage. Talked
about how their offensive line dominant that dominated that game.
You look at Aaron Donald was unblockable. So when you're
that good in the trenches and you can get you know,
solid quarterback play, which is I think what golf gives them. Yeah,
I mean, I think there's so many teams in NFC
is wide open. When you look at Minnesota what they

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can do with their dominant defense. You've got the Rams
talked about the Eagles, I think they're still formidable. And
then to me, the Cowboys if they sneak in, Um,
that's a dangerous team with the healthy Shawn Lee and
if you get to you know, you get Zeke rolling again. Um.
In regards to the Seahawks, you know they do have
massive injuries. And I know that that Wagner played, but

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but they haven't had Cliff Averell. Obviously, they don't have
Cam Chancellor, they don't have Richard Sherman. Is this in
blae Hey, let's get guys healthy, make a cousa adjustins
or they need to gut it and start over. It
sounds like they're they're headed towards the gut it and
start over. I think they're really up against it from
a salary cap standpoint. Um, And you've got some age
in the back end, and those guys are all time

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great players. But I think you're gonna see kind of
the whole whole reboot there. You've got a young quarterback
you can build around. Bobby Wagner's young and in his prime,
and you can build around him on the defense. But
it sounds like there's gonna be a whole lot of
change everywhere else. And I'm kind of fascinated to see
if Pete if he wants to stick around for what
could be a year or two of them kind of
going through the process which is not going to result

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in a lot of a lot of postseason runs. Yeah,
especially with Garoppolo looking like he's a dude, and the
Rams are being having just loaded, absolutely loaded loaded with
with with draft picks. Yeah, the Rams. The interesting thing
with the Rams real quick tug, is that now they're
in the position that the Seahawks were in where they're
going to get good quarterback play on the cheap with

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the rookie contract, which is gonna allow them to continue
to bring in assets while Golf is still on that deal.
So they've kind of flipped. Really, They've got the Seattle
thing going that Seattle had a few years ago. No
question about it. Dan Jeremiah joining us Um. Okay, the
Packers decided to sit Aaron Rodgers last two games of
the season, and I see no win in I don't
see any win and playing Eli Manning, let alone playing

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Aaron Rodgers coming off injury. What's your reaction to that news?
That was a no brainer? I mean I was kind
of shocked with seeing some people kind of push back
on that and they wanted to see him out there.
Why these are meaningless, meaningless games and just get him
a full offseason, get him healthy and be ready to
go to the offseason program. Um. As soon as they
were liminated, I mean, I was like, this is you

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don't have to take much time to deliver you on
this one. I don't care how much he wants to play,
you can't play him in these meaningless games. Tend to agree.
I just people kind of get caught caught up in
the why did you bring him? But we brought him
back to try and make the playoffs. It didn't work,
didn't work, and now we now we get ready for
next year. Um. Speaking of getting ready for next year,
in your opinions to Josh Rosen playing the ballgame, well,

(21:57):
this is something a lot of people are talking about.
I think in an normal um, in a in a
normal situation, if he was just viewed as this pristine
character off the field and personality wise was off the chart,
I think he probably could have got away with not
playing in this game. And some people in the media
would hit him, but I don't think from a team
standpoint they would really care. But I think with him,

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with some of those questions existing, you know, okay, well
the question the questions are does he love football? Right?
Then that's a that's a big question, and so and
so for him because he's he is a quarterback, it's
a different position and there are different questions about him.
I mean, doesn't he done he kind of had to play? Yeah,
that's what That's what I'm getting to. I think that's
exactly the case. Now. If it was uh, you know, say,

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if it was Sam Donald and they were playing in
a lower level bowl coming off of a season where
they're or whatever u c. L A is, what seven
and five or six and six, seven and five, barely
getting into a bowl game, I don't think anybody would
have really you know, batted and eye if he said
I'm gonna start training and get ready. But with Josh
is a little bit different. So I think he's if
he's healthy, I think you've got to go out there. Um,

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the Patriots have stripped Tom Brady's trainer of some of
these extra privileges. Right, he can still work with Tom Brady,
but not anybody else. Can't be in the sidelines, can't
be on the team plane. You've been in the league,
you've been in an NFL front office for um, when
you hear this, what do you think it's it's a
little bit concerning. I just think because you always wonder

(23:22):
how that thing is really going to end there, and uh,
you know, I think that's kind of the first sign
of maybe a little bit of a crack in the
in the relationship between head coach and quarterback. But I
tend to agree with with Belichick on this one. I mean,
I think you make, um, you make the rules a
little bit different for Tom. You can have his guy
work out with his guy, didn't have to be involved
with what they're doing their own strength program. But you're

(23:44):
talking about team planes and doing all that song and dance.
I kind of get where Belichick like, Okay, that's enough. Yeah, no,
no question and and frankly that's it's one of those
things where you know, I don't know if you know this.
A couple of years ago, he used to take a helicopter. Uh,
he used to take a helicopter home it to avoid traffic.
Is traffic there is the worst. And they finally pushed

(24:04):
back and like, now you can't do that. Every he
can't do that. You know, nobody else is allowed to
do that. You can't do that as well. Yeah, no,
it's one thing. Look, you get two seats in first
class to stretch out a little bit. You get perks
for being Tom Brady. But I think that some of
these things go above and beyond that. Daniel Jeremiah. The
podcast is called Move the Sticks. I didn't I when

(24:25):
I asked you, I didn't say what I asked you?
What you want to get you? You want a basketball
hoop in your house? I'm talking about you. I love. Look,
since I tore my achilles, I don't, I don't. I
don't pick up anymore, but I'll I love. But to me,
my relaxing thing to do is to just go get
a bunch of jumpers up. So not having that in
this house has been brutal. Well, you have the ability,
you have a you have a half court space, full

(24:47):
court space. I gotta I'm gonna have to go kind
of a little bit. Uh, I guess is it is? It?
Is it considered like what we say trailer trash ritter.
I'm gonna go front yard. I got a big driveway,
so it's not trailer trash. If it's done nicely, it's
not trailer trash. Yeah. But I'm going on. I'm I'm
hooping in the front yard. Man, I've got a beautiful
making make sure you don't get a ceramic backboard. Making

(25:07):
sure you get a glass backboard. Come on, I am
just im just telling people like, and this is for
for mothers or fathers out there, Like, don't get a
ceramic backboard to where you could you could fire it
like a bullet. And if a suramic backboard, it just
drops into the net, right, Like that's not a real backboard.
Get a real glass backboard. Yeah, come on, yeah, go bigger,
go home on, Yeah exactly. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network,

(25:28):
DJ Merry Christmas, thanks for joining us. Let's get to
Steve to say you'll find out what's going on the
World Sports, Steve, what do you hey? Let's start with
the NFL. Rob Gronkowski is the a f C Offensive
Player of the Week. Todd Gurley won the NFC Award.
Bengals running back Joe Mixon is still in concussion protocol
as his Packers wide receiver Davante Adams. Two more NFL
games this Saturday, Colts at Ravens, than Minnesota at Green

(25:50):
Bay without Aaron Rodgers two NFL games on Christmas. Also,
it's a Monday. Jacksonville in Kansas City can clinch division
titles this Sunday. The Patriots and Steelers at each clinch
first round bys. This week in the NFC, Carolina and
Atlantic in each clinch a playoff Berth with a wind
Rams can clinch the division. Eagles can clinch top seed
in the NFC. The Jaguars say running back Leonard four Nand,

(26:12):
who had a Bruce squad, will play Sunday at San
Francisco for Net, returned to practice today. Jacksonville wide receiver
Alan Hearns finally returned to practice. He missed over a
month with an ankle injury. Wide receiver Marquis Lee missed
practice with an ankle injury. Orioles closer Zach Britain ruptured
and achilles during a workout. He left surgery tomorrow. He
could be out until June. The San Francisco Giants acquired

(26:33):
third baseman Evan Longoria and cash from Tampa Bay and
in the NBA Golden State winners of nine straight hosting
Memphis tonight, Draymond Green to the Warriors is doubtful with
his shoulder injury, although he did go through shoot around.
Steph Curry with his sprained ankle, will miss at least
another week, including the Christmas game against Cleveland. And did
you hear An A. Smith Hall of Fame announced changes
this week. Now it will only be a three year

(26:55):
waiting period for eligibility after retirement. The list of those
eligible for next year's fat Ssketball Hall class will be
announced tomorrow, so now likely that list will have Steve Nash,
Ray Allen and others and other change. Coaches are required
to have put in twenty five years and be at
least sixty years old to be eligible for the Hall.
Back to you, I need to put Eddie Sutton in

(27:15):
that Hall of Fame, my former head coach, of course,
who only coach with eight Winds Individual one Basketball not
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Sports Radio, on the I Heart Radio app, and of
course on Sirius XM three our first two hours. Did
you guys see this story about LaVar Ball? He? LaVar
Ball said today that he's launching a basketball league for
nationally ranked players who have graduated from high school but
don't want to go to college. Ball said the Junior

(27:56):
Basketball Association the j b A, which he said is
fully funded by his Big Baller brand, plant pans plans
to pay the lowest ranked player a salary of three
thousand a month and the best player ten thousand a month.
Ball is looking for eight d players to fill ten
teams that was seek to play in NBA at NBA

(28:18):
Arenas and Los Angeles, Dallas, Brooklyn in Atlanta. Getting these
players is going to be easy. This is giving guys
a chance that she had a jump start in their
careers to be seen by pro scouts. We're gonna pay
them because someone has to pay these kids. So here's
the thing. Okay, first, like his math's all off, right,

(28:41):
Like I want eight players for ten teams? You want
eight guys on a team, Bro, this is not a
a U. Okay, you can't have you can't have eight
guys on a team like that. Didn't like I don't
know if you know how numbers work, but eight guys
on a team, like, guys just don't show up. Guys

(29:02):
get hurt, Guys get sick, Guys change their mind, Guys
don't like the coach. Guys don't like other players in
the team. Like what basketball team, what professional or collegiate
basketball team on Earth? Only has eight guys under contract? Like,
just forget about that. If I just if I take

(29:22):
LaVar Ball, who's never run the league. All he's done
is coach his son's AU teams. He's never run the league,
never run an event. Okay, Um, he has no true
business school background none. If I take that out of
the mix, and I just say, hey, we're gonna get it.

(29:43):
We're gonna get a ten team league up, even even
if it's an old Man League eight is the bare minimum.
The bare minimum. Now you get the professional collegiance sports
like real teams eight guys in the league. Like, dude,
your math is so far off. He's like, look, all

(30:04):
that matters is we somebody's gotta pay these guys, and
we have. By the way, if they're compensation, and people
are freaking out, twelve ten a month compensation, like you're
not gonna play. You're not gonna pay him over a
twelve months and twenty grand. You know, it's like a
four or five months season. You're gonna have a guy
four to your fifty grand. Well again, if if you

(30:24):
if you view college athletics the way I view college athletics,
where it's an unbelievable opportunity at a free education that
normally cost people, you know, anywhere from twenty to h
to seventy grand post tax per year, Like you're actually
barely if anything matching. Because remember, if you are paid

(30:46):
ten grand a month, you gotta pay taxes on the
ten grand a month. Oops, right, so ten grand a
month really take home is I don't know, six or
seven a month? Right, you gotta pay your taxes and
oh yeah, by the way, if you don't want to
go to college. You can go to the G League
right now, playing the G League for a year, play

(31:09):
coach by NBA coaches. Yes, they actually have twelve thirteen
guys on a team playing nice arenas, practice against at
times the NBA players in their training camps, and then
hopefully get a call up or get drafted. You can't
play in the NBA your first year, but you can
get drafted after your first year. So there's a red
herring to the fact that this opportunity actually previously exists

(31:33):
for about the same pay. And then there's the idea
you've got a guy who's never run any sort of
league or any basketball event, has no real bad business acumen,
and he's gonna pay for it at a big baller
brand which isn't making enough money to being paid for
a league. And then oh yeah, he's like, well, we'll
just do an NBA arenas. You know, the NBA arenas

(31:53):
cost money, Like there's a reason that the w NBA
has moved to smaller venues because they cost less money.
There is nothing about this plan that makes any sort
of sense. I feel like this is was the principle
in Billy Madison wasn't that it music? Although Billy Madison
might be a little old of me, that might actually
be a dated reference. Ramas, wasn't it the principal in

(32:16):
Billy Madison that othered the words, um, we're all dumber
for what you have what you just heard? Right? Nobody
said was it the principle or because they were doing, um,
they were doing some debate. I don't know if it
was the principle of the person who was like conducting
like the debate that they were doing, but I know
what you're talking about. Yeah, we're all now dumber for

(32:38):
having to listen to what you just said. Thank you. Yes,
that's exactly how I feel about LaVar Ball's proposal. Major
League Baseball Commissioner Rob manfred Is piste off at Derek
Jeter and the way he's running the Miami Marlins. Real
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Mm hmmmm. There's rumors that Floyd Mayweather may sign with UFC.

(33:33):
This is dumb. All these guys just yeah, I don't
know everybody, just I like the one who was just
sports and it wasn't about guys pretending to have to
be play sports or or fight each other just to
make cash. But I'll cheer myself up as we play
a game with This is game time on the Doug

(33:58):
Gottlieb Show. Steve what he got? Well, baby, it's cold
outside first fifty eight whole degrees here outside our l
A studios and John Ramos, what game we're playing today?
Fake news? That can't. I'll give you a few items.
You tell me, real or fake? Item Number one. Major

(34:20):
League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred said he's quote not happy
with how Derek Jeter and the new Marlin's ownership have
stripped down their roster. Real news are fake news. That's
fake news. You are fake news. Yeah. In fact, today,
he defended Jeter and the new ownership group in a
contentious interview with Dan LeBatard Miami, saying Major League Baseball
did not have any players specific plans from a new

(34:41):
ownership group. That we don't get involved in operating level decisions.
End quote, look, look, you you can be as mad
as you want at what they've done, but it wasn't working.
Like I'm I'm mad if I'm upset at what Derrek
Jeter has done. Like why did you get rid of
Rich Walts who was calling the game? He was great,
you know, I'm sure he didn't cost a ton and

(35:03):
he was kind of fabric of it was like he
was questioning ownership, even when ownership was a total mess before.
But in terms of stripping things down and cutting costs
and starting over, I don't know it. It's it's like
it works other places works in Houston. Look at the
Tampa raised by the way, with what they done, but

(35:23):
like Houston, like this actually worked. It was a plan,
it was a long term plan, and we talked about
it when it happened, Like when Houston one like that
was bad news if you were a mediocre team. That
means other teams to be like, screw it, let's tank,
let's cut salaries as much as we can. And that's
what Jeter has done. This is not a new idea.
And of course LeBatard, even though he's a national guy,

(35:44):
he hosts a radio hour that's that's local and he's
too emotionally tied. He's like, look, we've been done wrong before. Hey,
guess what the truth is. Miami shouldn't even have a team.
You never supported a team when they've been averaged. Just
haven't the bit of beautiful stadium. Nobody goes, nobody cares.
You can blame it on management, ownership and whatever, but
it's not a thing there. It's never been a thing there.

(36:06):
And Champion Houston only five years ago was losing about
a hundred ten games a year. And last night we
had Marlin's man on as a guest on the phone
of the Jason Smith Show here, and he was one
of about two hundred season ticket holders during a contentious
ninety minute town hall meeting with Jeter there in person
last night on due story number two, Browns general manager
John Dorsey stood by his comments about the previous Browns

(36:28):
management and said it might have sounded a little bit harsh,
but the record speaks for itself. Is that real news
or fake news? In fact, here is the quote from
ninety two point three the fan. He says, listen to you, guys,
are the professional words Smith's I am not a professional
words Smith, I'm a football guy. Football guy, football football players.

(36:49):
There's some good football players win this team exactly. He
even repeated the company line, the Hugh Jackson will be
retained going into next see is an emphasis on company line,
maybe not his Hugh Jackson One and twenty nine is
Brown's head coach? Um, Yeah, I mean when when he
uttered those words, he sound like he sounds like an idiot,

(37:11):
right like he He may have been right, and it
may have been a kick in the pants, but you know, guys,
there's guys can be sensitive and that was a bad look.
Number three Floyd may Mayweather is reportedly talking with Dana
White about coming out of retirement and signing a deal
with the UFC. Real news or fake news, they're real
and they're spectacular. Yes. In fact, Dana White said to ESPN,

(37:35):
We're talking to Floyd about doing a UFC deal. It's real.
He was talking about boxing. Connor McGregor, was that real?
Have you heard Floyd talk about many things that aren't real?
He usually tips his hand when he's in the media
and then it ends up happening. Quote. We're interested in
doing something with Floyd. Everything is a realistic possibility. Mayweather
versus McGregor. Actually happened, anything is possible. End quote. Yeah,

(37:59):
I don't care like your boxer. Why are you gonna
fight USC You're gonna get mauled, You're gonna get hurt.
This is the only reason he would do it is
because he can't get a fight. Nobody wants to fight
him in boxing anymore, because he wants too much money
and not enough action, and nobody wants to see the
people he wants to fight he doesn't want to fight,

(38:19):
and the people he wants to fight he wants too
much money. For number four, big story, a tax reform
that's being passed by the federal government. We'll have an
impact on college football regarding season ticket donations and coaches
and their spectacle is very real USA today sports, for
one said, major college athletic programs are facing significant increases

(38:44):
in the cost of the already highly paid coaches and
administrators due to this tax. It's going to be imposed
on compensation of all nonprofit organizations most highly paid employees. So,
for example, Alabama, due to pay Nick Saban next year
seven million plus bakes basic compensation, the university will likely
oh an additional one point two million, and in fact,

(39:05):
different athletic Department Cincinnati said, are quick math, it's a
half million dollars. Iowa States A d says their school
would be facing seven hundred thousand in additional costs from
this provision. Yeah, look, this is a this is a
big this is a big thing. Now do I think
schools can be really smart? And what you'll do is
you'll you'll, you'll donate to the general's you know, to

(39:25):
to the school itself and not to athletic departments. But
this is gonna pinch athletic budgets in a major way,
major way. Um, there's still coaches will still get paid
and they'll still raise money. But when you eliminate the uh,
the tax deduction, you take away a good portion of
the impetus by many of these donations. Yeah, for donors
that have to have been you know, for rights to

(39:47):
season tickets for example, that part was deductible, or taking
people clients to sporting events that's affected by the new
tax bill. This is game time on the Doug Godlip Show.
Fascinating to see. Um, there are some interesting teams that
could sneak into the playoffs in the NFL. And it's

(40:12):
always fascinating that when we get to the end of
the season. You know they have this. It's like the
time tested rule where half the teams that make the
playoffs one year don't make it the next year, but
the teams that are going to make it in tell
us an interesting anecdote about the league. We'll share it
with you next. What up, It's a Doug Godleap show
Fox Sports Radio. Um. Every year most sports radio shows

(40:39):
mentioned this stat. Half the team has made the playoffs
from last year won't make the playoffs this year. Last year, Patriots, Uh,
Patriots made it, Chiefs made it, Steelers made it. Those
are your East, West, North winners or South winner in
the NFC was the Texans last year? Is the Dallas

(41:00):
Cowboys East winner, Falcons South winner, Seahawks West winner, Packers
North winner. You're wild cards with the Raiders, the Giants,
the Dolphins, and the Lions. Alright, so this year we
can already eliminate the Giants and the Packers, and I
believe the Seahawks are eliminated as well. There goes three. Okay,

(41:20):
so three of the six at least Dallas Cowboys still
hanging on to hope of making the playoffs, still very
much alive. Cowboys would be um a third to make it,
and of course the Falcons are still a playoff threat.
Then you look at the a f C Texans, they're
not making it, Raiders very unlikely, although not they're they're

(41:42):
not eliminated, and the Miami Dolphins, I believe very unlikely,
though not eliminated yet. So we're likely to have uh
more than half of the playoff teams. A f C West,
North and East winners will remain the same, We'll have
we we will likely have all new playoff division winners

(42:04):
in the NFC. Uh. Look, Falcon still have two games
against one against the Saints, one against the Panthers, so
they still could win their division. They would be the
only repeat division winner from last year in the NFC.
And I don't know, do you guys know how a
hustle works. Do you guys know how you're supposed to hustle?
Have you ever been hustled before? Ron, has you ever

(42:26):
been hustled before? Out of money? Probably? Like yeah, when
I was younger. Oh, I don't know, Just like they
asked you, uh, the best one to me, it's is
the newspaper one when they asked you to sign up
for like five months of the newspaper, three months of
a newspaper as far as younger, and I'm like, yeah, sure,
And then like seven months later, they're still deducting money
money out of your account. Like that's not a hustle though,

(42:47):
that's signing you up for something that you forget to cancel.
The hustle For me that I got hustled once. I
there was you know, when you're outside of a grocery
store or something, people are like, hey, donate this for
like the veterans or whatever, and so I donated cash,
which was supposed to be like they had these magazines

(43:08):
and pamphlets and like, oh, you do this for the veterans,
and it sends him a care package and we'll give
you a receipt and this is what you pay, this
is what they get. And then you'll get your confirmation
thing and the mail and we'll email you progress. And
that's like, that's more of a scam than a hustle. Okay,
I'm talking like a hustle. Like you go to shoot pool,
you go to play basketball, you go to play cards.

(43:30):
You and you guys play cards, and a guy lets
you people let you win early on, and the ideas
you let you win. You're like, man, I think I
got a chance, and now all of a sudden, you
don't even know. You don't even realize you're being hustled, right,
I see what you're saying. No, I've never had that happen. Nope,
never had that happen to me as well. Um my

(43:51):
dad got hustled once. Went to Yankee first. I went
to Yankee State in the old Yankee Stadium. We went,
and I don't know if this would be a scam
or a hustle, but I remember we were. He was
a negost sating with a scalpeer to buy tickets for
a club for the box seats, which is down low.
And I had sold tickets previously, like I was a
little kid, but I used to sell tickets at the
Final four. And the guy is talking to him and

(44:14):
showing him the tickets, but he was only showing him
one ticket, and he had four tickets. But the other
three were nicely stacked behind the first one. And before
I could tell my dad to look at the other
three tickets, the deal was already made. And sure enough,
the first one was in fact box club, blox level whatever,
and the other three were up in the nose blade hustle.
I don't think it's a hustle what the NFL is doing,

(44:35):
but I do think it has some of the same
effects where you start to you have to make every
different region, every different franchise think they have a chance,
even if they do not. I look, the Bills have
a vibrant fan base, and I know that Bill's Mafia
has taken on a completely different we. I mean, the
stupid stuff they do in the parking lot, like somehow

(44:57):
they're able to get away with it just because like, look,
it's bu flow, it's negative thirty. Of course they're drunk.
Of course they're you know, drinking beers out of you know,
orifices of of men and women's bodies. Like, of course
they aren't Buffalo. They've gone seventeen seasons without making the playoffs.
Their hopes are very much alive. The Rams have gone
twelve seasons without making the playoffs. The Jaguars have gone

(45:20):
nine seasons without making the playoffs. The Titans, who are
right there in line potentially being a f C playoff
team eight seasons without making the playoffs. You still have,
obviously the Browns fourteen seasons, Buccaneers nine seasons Jets six,
although remember the Jets had that run of back to
back ANFC CHAMPI games Bears six, so it's been a
while for both of those franchises. Bears, of course, have

(45:41):
been in the Super Bowls Rex Grossman Super Bowl. The
point is that I don't know if you call this
a hustle or it's just a way to make every
You have to have a system that creates opportunities for everybody,
and if there is, I mean, I don't know what
I'm what. I'm more impressed by the fact that the Patriots, Chiefs,

(46:03):
and Steelers are all gonna win their division yet again,
something that rarely happens in the NFL. Patriots obviously have
been dominated in their division, but other divisions not not,
not nearly as much. Or the fact that we may
be we may be losing out on the discussion which
really matters, which is, Hey, Bills and Rams and Jaguars,

(46:25):
those are three of the four longest playoff droughts in
the National Football League and they all may be eliminated.
Two of them, uh, two of them are going to
be eliminated this year, Bills still potentially and that's the
longest one seventeen seasons, and I think that while short term,
that's not gonna be great for interest. Right like the

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Buffalo market, even though it's in the state of New York,
doesn't invigorate anybody to come watch football. The Jacksonville market doesn't.
Rams market will eventually, but because they're so new into
l A, you're not in the same usual l A push.
The fact is, when everybody thinks they have a legit chance,
that's when more people pay attention. And that's kind of

(47:08):
the art of a hustle is when you think, when
the mark thinks he or she has a chance, now
you start betting higher stakes. You lose a couple of
hands early, let them think they can win once they
start throwing in. Now you've got higher stakes. Now, Now
whoever the hustler is, now they starts salivating, absolutely salivating.

(47:32):
So I don't think it's necessarily a hustle. I do
think it has some of the same effects as a hustle.
That the NFL is going to eliminate two of the
four longest streaks of NFL playoff drouts and potentially three
of four if the Bills can hold on and make
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go ahead and music. So is it more of a
hustle in the NFL or the NBA, because I feel

(48:16):
like the NBA every offseason, especially this offseason, the hustle
is real on people trying to convince themselves that there
may be someone to come unseat the Warriors and the Calves.
Whether this year was like hey the Thunder they got something,
and even the Rockets right now look like they may
be performing a hustle on getting people to buy in

(48:37):
that they could be a team that's actually better than
the Warriors. Um, well, I'll say this, like I think,
I think What's I think? The NBA is a different
and very interesting discussion. It's like like, look what the
Calves have done is they've put together a roster that
is better than the Golden State Warriors roster. It is
top to bottom, it is better. Now. Last I checked

(48:59):
in the NBA you can only play five. There's only
one basketball. But if they could play all twelve at once,
the Cavaliers roster is inarguably a better overall roster than
the Golden State Warriors roster. Now does it fit together
as well? Probably not? Are is can their best five

(49:20):
be better than the best five of the Warriors? Probably not?
But that's their way of trying to take down the
Warriors as opposed to the Rockets, who um like, look,
they played analytics ball and they still play analytics ball,
only they went out and added a piece and continue
to kind of tinker with it. And truth be told,
though their defensive numbers are really really good. They're just

(49:42):
gonna try and outscore the Warriors. Outscore out analytic outshoot um.
But I mean, really, they're going to try and outscore
the Warriors. That's their game plan. So I think the
like the Calves are trying to Gaves are trying out
flank them, and the Rockets are trying to outrun them.

(50:05):
And do do either have a chance? Yeah, I think
they have a chance. I also think that Steph getting
hurt last year Durant got hurt. All it takes is
one of those injuries to drag into the playoffs and
suddenly they become beatable. By the way, Steff not likely
to play, not gonna play in that Christmas Day game.
So that's kind of a bummer, right. You thought you'd
have calvs. Warriors full strength. You will not. You will

(50:27):
not get that, Ramos, What is the what is the
Christmas gift that you have asked Santa for? Um? I
would like a new system and new gaming system, new
gaming system? Which one would you go? Would you go
to the new PlayStation one? You do? That's the one
I would like? Yeah, why what is it about that?
Better than like the Xbox One? I just like the

(50:47):
way Sony does things. So nothing wrong with Microsoft, I guess.
But I if they someone gave me an Xbox One,
I wouldn't go, hey man, sorry, have it back. But
I prefer the Sony PlayStation music. Is there something that
you have asked for that you've asked Santa? Force out
in his lap and said, Santa, I've been a good
little boy and I'd like this. I would like the

(51:08):
new Apple TV. I feel like that would be pretty cool.
There's an Apple TV. Yeah, there's a new one, and
they're like the Apple TV. The plug into your TV
right exactly? Why what is it about that that you like?
So the previous Apple TV was pre set where it
just sort of had the different apps on there where
you know, you could stream stuff from ESPN Games or

(51:29):
you know, other like type of apps that they have
on there. The new one is you can actually access
the app store and download basically whatever you want on there.
So it's sort of an extension of what your phone
or iPad would be. But then it just links directly
into your TV for streaming and any other things you'd
like to do on it. Have you been a good

(51:50):
little boy this year? I believe so. I think I've
done things the right way and I am deserving of
an Apple TV. But we shall see. Well, all right,
we'll see what Steve Santa puts coal in your stock.
Peter King from the mmqb uh joins us joins the
show up coming. Next, I'll ask him about the Panthers
being up for sale. What effect does this have on
their chances if any uh to win the NC South

(52:10):
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you're gonna have Peter King on Ryan. Peter King joins
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Happy holidays? Yeah, marry everything. As they said to my
son's school earlier today, Um boy boy boy. Uh the

(52:56):
Jerry Richard thing, I mean that thing happened really really quickly.
Your magazine, John Worthime did that outstanding investigative peace and
then you know, he steps aside. Now the team just
happens to be for sale. Does this have any effect
on the day to day of the team. Uh, well
we'll find out. I mean nothing, nothing's going to change

(53:19):
between now and the last snap of the football season. Uh.
But what we don't know is we don't know yet
how is this going to affect free agency? How is
this going to affect draft prep? I mean, is Marty
Hearny now the permanent general manager? He basically was, you know,

(53:40):
hired to be the GM the rest of the year.
And so no one knows this stuff yet because we're
still in the cert of the infancy of of what happened.
The one thing I do feel I don't want to
say strongly about, but I think is is eminently likely,
is that, uh, Jerry Richardson will at least attempt to

(54:03):
put a writer on the terms of sale that says
we want to keep who's going to sell this to?
Somebody's going to keep it in Charlotte. So, uh, I
don't get much of a I don't I don't get
a sense that there's a great chance. I mean, never
say never, but I don't get a sense that there's
a great chance that this is going to be the
London Panthers. All right, let's let's let's go around the leak.

(54:26):
What's the league's reaction to Aaron Rodgers being shut down
to the last two games of the regular season. Oh,
I have not I've not spoken to a soul about it,
I think, but I think the general reaction is, uh,
if the Packers are not in it at all, and
Aaron Rodgers is at you know, and not why would

(54:51):
he play that? Plus the fact that this just gives
more opportunity for Brett Hunley to uh to show stuff
against two pretty good teams. And I think I would
do the precise same. Look if the Packers were still
in it, I would play Rogers against Minnesota, But without
them being in it, I don't see any reason why

(55:13):
he should play Seattle Seahawks get stopped for a second
week and rather down forty to nothing at home to
the Rams. Um, it really is remarkable. Um. Do you
think they are like, look, we we're gonna get Richard
Sherman back, how they get Cam Chancellor, Let's let's just
kind of ride this thing out. Or do you think
they gut it and start over? Um? I think that

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the one thing that the Seahawks have to do right
now is determined, Okay, who's going to be on this
ship next week, our next year, Rather who's gonna who's
gonna coach his team? Was going to be the GM,
who's going to be on this defense? Who are we keeping?
Who are we not keeping? I mean, does Pete Kara
want to go in for the rebuild, retool, because that's

(56:00):
what it's gonna be. It's not gonna be overwhelming, but
there's a lot of work that needs to be done,
starting on the offensive line and then starting when when
you're four best defensive players are all twenty eight or older. Uh,
you know, in two thousand and eighteen, time to move on,
you gotta go. So my feeling right now is that

(56:23):
I think that is a team that could really get
shaken up this offseason. It Doug, you know, it isn't
only the Rams that seemingly have passed the Seahawks. Is
not just the Rams. And I'm not saying the forty
Niners have passed him, but look at the forty Niners
the last three weeks, three and oh, and they got

(56:43):
a quarterback who looks like he's going to be a
huge star. And so you gotta worry about the forty Niners.
You've got a coach and a general manager with a
five year contract and about eight jillion dollars of cap room.
So I mean, I'd be pretty worried about the forty
Niners as well. With the Rams, I would agree. And

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everybody in the league seems to think that the Garoppolo
is uh is the guy that he looks the part
of a franchise quarterback. He's gonna get franchise quarterback money,
and that looks to be a great trade for the
San Francisco forty Niners future. Uh, it's it's it's one
of the things that that complicates how much of a
rebuild you have to go through for Seattle. Doug gotlip
show Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice of Peter King.

(57:24):
The MMQB dot Com is of course his outstanding website.
There's podcast there as well. Um, let's let's go to
the Pittsburgh where look the Jesse, the Jesse James play
and the I'm at some point they're gonna have to
have to tinker with this rule, I would think. Um.
But regardless of which, the fact was they it felt

(57:44):
like they were disorganized there at home in a situation
where it's not a new coach is not a new quarterback.
And afterwards Roethlisberger pointed fingers away as much as he
pointed figures towards himself and Mike Tomlins, like, hey, look,
this is a veteran star quarterback, like he can make
the call of the line of scrimmage. Why do you
think that coach and quarterback are still not on the

(58:04):
same page even days later. Um, here's what I think happened.
I think that the Steelers were counting on uh. I
think they they they were the Steelers were counting on
Darius Hayward Bay with thirty two seconds left getting out
of bounds. Um. You know in the irony of that

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Darius Hayward Bay play is that that would have been
Antonio Brown, the speedy Antonio Brown, and he would have
gotten out of bounds on that play if he hadn't
been hurt. Darius Hayward Bay was in the game in
part because Brown was hurt. So that's part one. And
I think the second part, in the most important part,
is that it was clear when Ben Roethlisford was going

(58:50):
to the line of scrimmage that he and Todd Hayley
were not totally on the same page. Um on that play.
And and I don't know, No one knows who who's
fault it was, but all I know is that it
would have made no sense to clock the ball. There
no sense to spike it to stop the clock. It
would have been foolish. And listen, Doug, they had twenty

(59:13):
eight seconds by the time that you know, they get
to the line of scrimmage, and and he can and
he can, you know, think of a play to call,
or and or think is snapping the ball. There wasn't
any need to sprint through this this this thing. You
have time, take your time, don't panic. And I think

(59:37):
there's fault on both sides. I think there's fault because
I think Roethlisberger forced the ball on that throw. And
not only that, I think they had more time than
they actually took. So that's my issue with both of those. Um,
all right, let's let's get to the New England side.
The story comes out day that Tom Brady's trainer, who
he's written a book about his methods, He's talked about

(59:59):
his methods. He believe that's a big portion of why
he's still playing at the level that he's playing at.
The trainer has been told, hey, look, you can still
work with Tom Brady, but you're you're not welcome to
work with other guys, and you're not welcome on the sidelines,
you're not welcome on the team plane. Um, how should
we view this? In watching the Patriots in their relationship
with Tom Brady's kind of an odd story. I think

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Brady is enough of a pragmatist to realize that what's
he gonna do ask for a trade? I mean, he's
not gonna do that. He's not leaving New England. I
think he's going to take his medicine, not like And again,
I don't know this story. I just know what I'm
read in the Boston Globe. And I said, I, you know,
trust what they said is absolutely the case. But I

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think if Tom Brady now who knew that there was
there was a kind of an exception of the rule
made for his trainer in the first place, he was
helping other guys in the team, So that now has
gone away, you know. And I just when I when
I read this, or I was reminded on my podcast
all right, when I interviewed Brady for seventy six minutes

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a week after the Super Bowl and we were talking
about his conditioning and and his different form, and I mean,
he loves Alex Guerrera obviously, but he said, you know,
this is it's it's something that is different. You know,
It's something that not all coaches are you know, are
used to dealing with. So I think the one. The

(01:01:27):
biggest thing to realize here is that, you know, Bill
Belichick is a football coach, He's not a manager of
the human body. So whatever did happen, I doubt sincerely
it's going to drive a permanent wedge between the two
guys because Tom Brady has been around Belichick a lot
longer than he's been around Alex Guerrero. The Dallas Cowboys

(01:01:50):
are still in the hunt for the playoffs, and now
they get Ezeki Elliott back from suspension he had that
he decided to spend the vast majority all but I
think two days in Cabo Son Luke is training and
you know, filming a video and losing weight as well. Uh,
it feels like the Cowboys have gone from a team
that was dysfunctional and completely banged up to maybe a

(01:02:12):
Super Bowl threat? Is that? Is that crazy to say?
Even if we have come to the realization that Does
isn't Does and that uh Witten isn't Witten, like this
could actually be the best team in the NFC because
of health, I I'd be shocked. I mean, I don't
think there's any way to the best team in the NFC.
I think they would have to play they'd have to

(01:02:35):
play almost perfect to win three playoff games in the NFC,
all on the road. I mean, think about it. You know,
imagine if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you gotta win out
your last two games, and then you've got to play
road wild card. Let's just say against New Orleans. Okay,
I don't think they're winning that game. Then your second

(01:02:57):
game has to be road divisional at Philadelphia. Maybe they
win the game, but I doubt it. And then they
got to win road NFC Championship at the Rams or
Minnesota or whoever. I mean, look, I like the Cowboys.
I think the Cowboys are good. I cannot. I don't

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think there's any way in a pack NFC that they
win three games on the road in fifteen days. It's
gonna be fascinating to watch exactly what they're sealing is
as as they get back to to general health. Um, look,
we're still we're still, you know, weeks away from getting there.
But as we get to bull season. What's the general
sense you get in regards to Rosen and Donald and

(01:03:42):
who NFL people actually would draft first as opposed to
who they say they like. I mean, Donald is basically
taking a months vow of silence on any discussion any
people around him talking about his future. Nobody knows anything
about what he's gonna do, so everybody's all guessing about

(01:04:03):
whether he's gonna come back or whether he's not going
to come back. I mean, really, you have to assume
that the thought has to be going through his mind
that if I entered the draft, I'm gonna be drafted
by the Cleveland Browns. You were naive to think that
for a player with that uh potential, that that doesn't
enter his mind. Um, John, I think Rosen is a

(01:04:26):
really really fascinating figure because right now, as a football player,
I think people believe that Rosen is better than Donald.
He certainly showed it when they went head to head.
And then you got Baker Mayfield. I talked to h
John Dorsey a couple of days after he got hired,

(01:04:47):
and I said, how many times have you watched Baker
Mayfield this year? He said six? He said, Woh, that's interesting.
You he's unemployed, you know, And here's an unemployed guy
and he's watched Baker Mayfield play six of his at
the time whatever eleven games, so iving it whatever it was, uh,
And and he went to see him in person when
Oklahoma plate Kansas. So I'm kind of interested in this

(01:05:12):
quarterback derby because I'm probably going to get in trouble
because i haven't really watched much college football. I never do,
but I'll be watching a few games of each of
those guys before the draft. And I even though he's
flat six feet tall, I think I'm probably gonna like Baker.

(01:05:33):
Baker may feel quite a bit, so you know, we'll see,
but that's going to be the biggest story in the offseason.
How high does Baker may feel go The biggest story
of the postseason, I would think outside of you know,
Brady potentially win another Super Bowl and the and another
class of the Steelers or or the NFC, especially with
somebody all these backup quarterbacks and Jared Goff going at it,

(01:05:55):
is the Jacksonville Jaguars like talent wise across the board,
they appeared to be there and again just the last
three games and not against the league competition. But Blake
Portles is starting to put up numbers. Peter, this season
has started. If we go back before the season began,
people are like, you can't even put Blake Bortles out there.
Week one, he looked lost, he had no confidence, he

(01:06:16):
was skipping the ball, and now he he hadn't playing
at the best level of his career. But there's still
no buy in from the real football world. Um, what's
reasonable to expect from Blake Portles in the playoffs? I mean,
let's see what happens the next two weeks. But you know, look, uh,
six weeks ago, I'd say seven weeks ago, everybody wanted

(01:06:40):
everybody in Jacksonville wanted Tom Coughlin to go get Eli Manning.
Um a month ago, not a soul in Jacksonville would
have said, this guy's our long term quarterback. But now,
in the first half of December, he's played three games
where he has played almost perfect foot ball. I talked

(01:07:01):
to Marcedes Lewis after the game on Sunday, and he said, Hey,
the guy is playing with zero pressure on him now,
and he knows that he doesn't have to be the
sole reason why we win games. And so I just
think he's playing a little more relaxed. Viron likes him.
He knows that he's not gonna get yanked, and you know,
I'm shocked. We're all shocked when we watch him play.

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But that's going to be a gigantic question. I'm sure
that the Jaguars have been scouting every quarterback and thinking
that we'll be taking a quarterback in the first round.
You'd be silly to think they're not going to take
a quarterback high. They still will, But wow, Lake Borders
might be their quarterback in the year five of his
career next year. And how about this, I just think this.

(01:07:48):
I find this absolutely incredible. Look, it is not out
of the realm of possibility that the Jaguars in the
Rams can play in the Super Bowl. I'm just telling you.
I mean, there are two of the five hottest teams
in football right now. It's all about being hot late
in the year. And how about two teams there were
seven and twenty five last year meeting in the Super Bowl.

(01:08:10):
You know with case Keenum against Blake Portals are not
against Blake Borrows, it's hilarious. Or if Minnesota makes it
case Keenum against Lake Bortles, it's incredible, absolutely incredible. Um
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(01:08:32):
Peter great stuff. Have a happy holiday season. We'll talk
to you very soon. Thanks for joining us. All the best,
Thank you. All right, that's that Peter King d m
m QB dot com. Let's uh, let's quickly get to
Steve to Seger and figure out what else is going
on in the world of sports before we tell you
what one recruit has accused Dabbos Sweeney of doing. Go ahead,

(01:08:54):
if it was a Rams Jacksonville super Bowl on a
football level, that would be a great game. Superb deef
ends against the best offense. Don't say that, yes, it
would say that the Rams are over thirty points a game.
You've seen the Rams this year, right, yeah, I mean
they are fun to watch this year. Listen, I don't
know anybody. Here's the thing. I don't know anybody who, um,

(01:09:19):
who doesn't watch super Who go like I don't want
to watch it? Right, It's just kind of a thing
you do. Therefore, it's not people that will go I'm
not gonna watch it, and it will still have over
a hundred million viewers. Um. It would that would be
That would be a bad draw. It would be a
bad draw. Now, look, the Rams have have the talent,

(01:09:40):
I mean golf in his second year, it's big big
asking insulting John Ramos, rams fan here, We've got a
lot of football news to get to. First off Orioles
closer Zach Britten ruptured and achilles during a workout. He'll
have surgery tomorrow. He could be out until June. And
the San Francisco Giants acquired third baseman Evan Longoria in
cash from Tampa Bay for four players now to the NFL.

(01:10:02):
The Jaguars say running back Leonard Fournet, who had a
bruce squad, will play Sunday at San Francisco. Fournett returned
to practice today. Jacksonville wide receiver Alan Hearn's finally returned
to practice. He missed over a month with an ankle injury.
Wide receiver Marquise Lee miss practice with an ankle injury.
Falcon's wide out Julio Jones, with his bad ankle, is
expected to play Sunday despite missing practice today. Atlanta will

(01:10:23):
be at New Orleans. Rob Gronkowski is the a f
C Offensive Player of the Week. Todd Gurley won the
NFC Award. Bengals running back Joe Mixon is still in
concussion protocol, as his Packers wide receiver Davante Adams Adams
did not practice today, but Mixon did. Bengals tackle Andre
Smith was placed on injured reserve. To college football, the
early signing period for recruits started this morning. Georgia and

(01:10:45):
Ohio State are doing very well. Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen,
with his bad shoulder, said he will play in Friday's
bowl game against Central Michigan. West Virginia says quarterback Will
Greer is out this month with a finger injury. No
more ranked teams play in these bowl games until December,
still over a week away. That night, FS one will
have a Top twenty matchup in the Holiday Bowl. There's

(01:11:06):
a game tonight just north of Dallas s m U
against Louisiana Tech, an SMU team that lost three straight
in November in the American Conference and went four and
four in league play, going up against a six and
six Louisiana Tech team that started two and four in
Conference USA this year. Back to You, asked Steve Sager,

(01:11:27):
join us UM and give us the update on everything
that's going on in sports. I want to get to
you what Dabo Sweeney is accused of saying to a
recruit in an attempt to lure him away from Ohio
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Allim Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know we do things
with Dollar Shave Club, And I will tell you that. Um,

(01:12:10):
Like you know, as as you search for gifts for
your significant other, Like, I'll just be honest with you.
My favorite gifts I've ever gotten are like sensible gifts
that I use all the time. My wife is an
amazing gift giver. Like she just has the ability to
be like, yeah, you know, I just knew you could
use this. My late father she used to love. He
used to look like one year he got she got

(01:12:32):
him like a money clip. Right, there's a money clip
that could also hold like credit cards whatever. Like he
raved about the money clip, which is like the perfect
timing for everything. Some people just have that. And I
am my wife. My wife hates it, but I am
like sensible gift giver, sensible gift receiver, right, And I
told her this time and again was like, look, you

(01:12:55):
can get me good socks. Like I'm not gonna sit
there and roll my eyes, but because I like really
good socks and I use them on a daily basis.
It's like, no, I can't give you. Don't give me
some ugly Christmas sweater. I don't want that. I'm never
gonna wear that, even do an ugly Christmas sweater party.
But that I will. I will use the Dollar Shave
Club stuff where you can get the just get get

(01:13:15):
somebody a package with a razor and all the different
creams they use and body wash and butt wipes like that. Awesome,
awesome um. And then I also think that with gifts,
you have to take you have to take things as
they're intended. Take things as are intended. I'm not sure

(01:13:37):
what my my dad's intention was one year he got
my mom. I don't know if I've ever told you guys,
is Jane found a workout tape. Yeah that didn't go
over so well. Yeah not so much like you look,
you wait, you love Jane Fonda. You love Jane Fonda.
It's like, yeah, it's not really the message you want
to be sending to your wife. Not so much not

(01:13:58):
so much, um anyway, Like I'm not opposed to going
out if you're if you're a woman listening to the show,
like go out and buy your husband, like the best
cut of meat that he loves and just sticking in
the stocking. I keep imagine you you wake up on
Christmas morning, You're like, is that a cowboy Ribby? Thanks,
big fella, Thanks, say nick. You guys looking at me

(01:14:23):
like I'm crazy, Like I do this all the time
when my kids are out of town. Like my wife
and kids are gonna be out of town, um after Christmas,
I'll be doing the herd music. You're doing the herd
with me, aren't you. That's right, Doug, All right, that'd
be cool. Like I'll get up and I'll be, you know,
be back at the house. If I'm around the house

(01:14:44):
and nobody else is there, Like I'll have a ten
am steak on the barbecue white on the grill. Why not? So,
I mean, if you want to get me something, I'm
gonna use. I'm not against the hangar steak sitting sitting
underneath the tree. I don't want to sit underneath the
treat for three or four days. But you break that
thing out that. That'd be a hell of a gift,
wouldn't it Romo's favorite cut of meat. I like loins,

(01:15:10):
Not it's a loin part or is that not the
meat that's like support right, No, it's a loin cling steak. Yes, yeah,
music favorite cut of meat. Don't give me your vegan now,
especially like I know your your girlfriend is a vegan
vegan and he actually he turned me onto a very
good vegan place down the street, which was outstanding. They

(01:15:33):
have like a fake meat that kind of tastes like meat.
It's not, it's it's not the worst thing in the world.
Would you say you're a flay guy? Okay, petite fla
for you. I become a hanger guy, like I look
good a hanger steak. Um I saw this. Dan wolken
Um asked Dabble about this question. There's a Ari washerman. Apparently,

(01:15:57):
tweets said that Dabbo Sweeney told Jackson Armand during his
recruitment that Urban Meyers at the back end of his
career in terms of years left, it wasn't a major factor,
but an underlying one. Mm hm m hm um. This
was a player who committed to Clemson instead of committing

(01:16:17):
to Ohio State. That sounds like dirty recruiting. It's kind
of sounds like dumb recruiting. Like Urban Meyers fifty three
years old. Now he has retired to spend time with
his family. And maybe Dabbo knows something that the rest
of the world doesn't. But I don't know. I just
it feels like if it if that's what it takes,

(01:16:39):
and then Dabbo does the senator thing right. Dabo was
asked by a group of reporters and he said he
didn't recall exactly what he said, but he definitely didn't
deny it. Uh. Dabbo said that there are a lot
of conversations that coaches being in different stages of life,
and when that came up now in fair and his

(01:17:00):
to Dabbo Sweeney, he could have said, hey, look, I'm
I'm a football lifer. I want to be doing this
for the rest of my life. And I don't know
Urban Meyer. He's already had great success at Utah, great
success at Florida, great success at Ohio State. I don't
know if he's in that same stage of his career
or if he's in a later stage in his career.
That that's fair obviously we know what he's hinting at.

(01:17:22):
Coaches do this all the time. Look, I'm gonna be
a guy coach you for all four years that you
can be here. I don't know if you can say
that about other guys, but Urbans fifty three and like
he's sixty three or seventy three. Let's find out what
the fox said now, right, Um. Sometimes it's not what
people say, it's what they don't say. Right now, when

(01:17:45):
people say, it's what they don't say. So we're gonna
pass words a little bit here, um every day. This time,
we'd like to play for you a portion of a
show previously on Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports TV Undisputed.
That's Skip Bayliss, Shannon Sharp, Enjoy Taylor. They had special
guest former U C. L A and Atlanta Falcons head
coach Jim Mora on the show and he was asked

(01:18:07):
a question, Rosen or Donald, who would you pick? And
wine dike A Listen. I think they're both me great pros.
First of all, totally different styles of play. Uh, I'm
gol Josh because he's a pure passer. He's got a
motion that you would love to see in your mini
camp I mean it's just pure and it's clean, and

(01:18:29):
he can make every throw. He can throw with velocity,
can throw a touch. But I love Donald because he's
a gym rat, you know, and he can he can improvise,
you can make things happen on the move. They're gonna
play in different style of offenses. I think Donald gives
you a little bit more running ability, uh, a little
bit more mobility in the pocket. But Josh has that
way like all the great ones and the guys you

(01:18:50):
played with it kind of slip and slide around in
the pocket and find the window and then he can
get it there on time. They're both gonna be great,
but I gotta I mean, you know, Josh one of
my one of my guy, I gotta go with him.
Um the I'm gonna go with my guy. But the
other guy's a jim rat. Is not really the compliment
that I think he thought it was a compliment. Now

(01:19:12):
he's not wrong. Rosen does look if you were to
create what an NFL quarterback should look like throwing the
ball in college, that's what Josh Rosen looks like. But
he didn't say what a great leader. He didn't say
what a tough kid. He didn't say, man, he loves football.
Everybody knows the knocks against Josh Rosen, and when his

(01:19:36):
coach is out there going, look, look, I think they'll
be both be great pros. And he felt honest, and
I think he's not wrong. I think there's a chance
he's right. But the fact that his coach wasn't out
there going like, hey, this dude leads, this dude loves it,
and the other guy and said he says the other
guy he's a Jim Rat. Now, maybe he met Jim
Rat in that he runs around and makes plays and
they're not always pretty, or maybe he meant, yeah, everything

(01:20:00):
you've heard about Rosen is in fact true, and he
doesn't do the things that Donald does. And so I
have to like, I'm almost forced to say Rosen because
I coached Rosen for three years in college. But I
like Donald because coaches like Jim Rats. That's what the
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(01:20:23):
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(01:20:43):
I think, before she takes a break booking the show
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Find out next what it's the Doug got Leave Show
Fox Sports Radio. Do Do Do Do Do Do Do

(01:21:04):
Do Do Do Do do do? Look, I'm um, I'm
I'm interested. I'm fascinated, fascinated by this Tom Brady story.
Now here's what I do know. I have some friends
inside the Patriots organization. They told me a couple of

(01:21:24):
years ago. It's going back like six seven years ago.
Um Brady was catching a helicopter from Foxborough home kind
of the the the Kobe Bryant if you will. And
the reason was, of all the stadiums I've ever been in,
I've never seen anything like Foxborough. Foxboro Stadium is it's, uh,

(01:21:50):
I don't know, thirty minutes if there's no traffic, it's
like thirty minutes outside Boston. I'm gonna say thirty minutes
outside of Providence as well, and it's about two hours
from Hartford, Connecticut, So it's it's it's a remote location,
but centrally located. Does that make any Did I make

(01:22:12):
any sense at all? I think I did anyway, Um,
where the stadium is actually located, there's basically basically one
road in and one road out. I mean that's and
every time I've ever been there, unless you show up
after the game has begun and leave well before the

(01:22:35):
game the game has finished, Um, you get just murdered
in traffic, I mean absolutely murdered. And so like it
kind of made sense, right. The problem is that you're
Tom Brady, and though you're people do this on radio

(01:22:55):
and on TV a lot. Right where they get to
where there some of these guys make a ridiculous of
money and they try and pretend like they're a man
of the people, only they're not really a man of
the people. Well that's kind of what Tom Brady has
to do. Like Tom Brady is not his wife is
worth more. It's actually an hour twenty sorry, it's it
is way outside of Boston. It's it's twenty eight miles,

(01:23:20):
so it's only an hour twenty because of traffic, but
it's twenty eight matt miles, so it's like forty five
minutes or so maybe an hour outside of Boston. It's
like equidistant outside of Providence, Providence, Rhode Island, and so
you kind of get all of that. You get the
suburbs of Providence, you get all the suburbs of Boston.
You can't take the train there, but it's there's there's

(01:23:40):
really one road in and one road out. Um, and
it's it's weird because you know, to get to four
or to get to what does that other road there?
Or to get to nine in either direction, there's that one.
It's like Highway one if you will. And it's just treacherous.

(01:24:01):
It's just I mean it's two hour. It can be
from an hour to two hours from the exit to
like the five miles to the stadium in either direction.
And so like he was catching the he was catching
the helicopter, and finally they went to him like Tommy
can't catch the helicopter, Like wait, so I gotta wait
in traffic like everybody else, Like we can get your
police as court, which is really not the same. We

(01:24:22):
get your police, ask court, we can do anything. One
we can't have you doing is flying in a helicopter
when every other player and every other coach on our
roster is slugging it out through the traffic, like just
can't do it. And so today we find out via
the Boston Globe that Tom Brady's trainer, who he swears by,
like this is his guy. Tom Brady's forty years old

(01:24:46):
and playing quarterback, looking as agile as he did in
his thirties. He's in great physical condition. He's completely bought
in to the science that that his trainer preaches to
him about how you eat, about how you sleep, about
how you train. The elasticity is much greater, is much
more real strength than actual strength is. Like he's all

(01:25:09):
in on it, and Bill Belichick and the Patriots like, yeah, hey, listen,
you can work out, you can do all your cookie stuff,
but you know you're not gonna do You can't work
with other guys. You can't be on the sideline, and
he can't be on the team play because you not
only have to appear to be one of us, you
kind of gotta be one of us, and you can't

(01:25:30):
be we just no one else has that, even if
you're Tom Brady and I look at what happened with
the Giants trying to see the Eli Manning. I look
at what happened with Pittsburgh and Ben Roethlisberger kind of
doing his own thing, throwing coaches under the bus. I
look at so many of these teams, and I'm like, look,

(01:25:51):
the reason one of the reasons that it works in
New England is that they try. You're never going to
treat your player like everybody else. But if you don't
allow him to be so privileged that there's animosity and
angst towards him and in many ways, every once in
a while embarrass him. And that's what this is. Like, Look, dude,

(01:26:14):
your guy who was preaching the science that somehow he
could make you play forever, Julian Edelman's you know, playing,
you're using your stuff and he tears his a c
L in a non contact drill, like come on, man.
So I feel like there are a lot of reasons
that the Patriots win, but this is a reason the

(01:26:34):
Patriots win is that they treat their best player as
close to the way you would treat average pleasure. You're
not going to treat him like an average player. But
you're also not gonna follow over himself for him. Like
the juxtaposition with them and and and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

(01:26:55):
Steelers have when healthy, better talent. Shais Here is better
in any linebacker they have, t J. Watt, better rush
end cam Hey where those guys are better than what
the Patriots have upfront. Antonio Brown better wide receiver than
anybody have. Rob Gronkowski obviously a better tight end. Levan Bell.

(01:27:15):
I mean, it's not even close between Rex Bert Heart
Burkhart or Levy on Bell, Like we really haven't Birkhead whatever.
Kevin Burkhart is the announcer for Fox. Apologies to Kevin
and Direx. Just the idea of comparing those two pieces,
Like why doesn't Antonio Brown remember he he had to
hold out and then he is going back with last year?

(01:27:37):
He always shows up in his rolls Royce, He facebooks
things inside the lock you know, inside the locker room.
On a postgame speech, Levian Bell holds out, doesn't go
through training camp, shows up, feels like he's not getting
the football um because he held out. You know, Ben Roethlisberger,
do I want to retire? Do? And I want to
retire throws Todd Haley under the bus is often as

(01:27:59):
humanly possible. I understand that there's some schematics to it,
there's some luck to it. I mean, heck, if not
for this, you have to complete the process when you
go to the ground rule. They beat the Patriots, but
you look up and you're like, man, I don't really
love the Patriots. Talent man Tom Brady's forty and the
week before he looked old. Man. You know they got

(01:28:19):
some good wide receivers. But even Gronk isn't what He's like,
how do they keep winning these games? This is how?
This is how. And so when when football guy uses
that football guy expression and you know it, oh, well,
you know football is the ultimate team sport. It actually is.
It's a cliche, but it's a cliche, is true. Football

(01:28:40):
is the actually the ultimate team sport. And you have
to get guys bought in. You have to level off guys,
the top guys who guys whose egos might be out
of control, and then you have to pump up the
egos of guys who might not have great confidence. You
kind of have to meet have everybody pulling in the
same direction. And so when I when I see the

(01:29:02):
Patriots tell the trainer of a first ballot five Super
Bowl champion, sure fire Hall of Famer Tom Brady, who
has played as well going into his forties as anybody
in the history of the game, and they're like, hey,
it's great. We don't want to working out with other guys.
We don't want the sideline, we don't want to play

(01:29:23):
to me. That's a good portion of of why the Patriots.
Of the Patriots inmates don't run the asylum the prison.
Everybody tries to be as close to the same as possible,
and even our best player is not is not removed
from criticism. I mean, people freaked out when the Giants thing.

(01:29:46):
Everybody remembers the Giants deal when they sat Eli Manning down.
But one of the first things to happen in this
during early in the season was Eli Manning mismanaged um
a red zon An opportunity and his head coach after
the game said he expected more from a veteran quarterback.
Do you remember that, and be like, you can't question

(01:30:09):
Eli Manning about that? And Eli, for the Eli in
front of the camera took everything great, took everything in stride. Hey,
no problem, that's what you're supposed to do your quarterback,
I'm supposed to make better plays. But you don't think
all these media guys are speaking out against Ben McAdoo
unless Eli told him, he was furious. The same thing
happened when they told him that they were gonna, you know,

(01:30:30):
pull him at the end of games. Eli was like, look,
I'm fine with it, part of the teams, but when
all these media guys come out, who do you think
riled them up? That's because we're the giants. The inmates
run the asylum and it doesn't happen with the New
England Patriots. My dad, my buddy Nick right from First
Things First, joins the show. He said, I had the
worst top ten of all time in terms of rating

(01:30:52):
top ten NBA players. Um, we'll discuss his incredible infatuation
with Lebron James and what he's missing about Lebron now
versus Bird and Magic and Jordan in their era. That
up coming next. But first, Okay, So I heard this
crazy story over the weekend about these twins right who
grew up and found out that their mom doesn't know

(01:31:13):
who their real dad is. And this of course crushes
these guys. So the brothers set out on a mission
to find their dad. As it turns out, mom was
a bit wild back in the day, and there are
many options on who their dad might be. I'm talking
on former NFL players, small town veterinarians, veterinarians, big city cops,
coked out hedge fund guy. Anyone could be their dad.

(01:31:35):
They fly out all over the country and these dudes
are piecing together clues, meeting up with all sorts of
crazy characters, crashing funerals, picking up hitchhikers, getting shot at,
and getting into all sorts of crazy situations just to
find their old man. And then at the end it
turns out I can't be the spoiler. That's not me. This,
of course, is a real plot. We're real movie. It's

(01:31:56):
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(01:32:38):
Uh in Brooklyn. I think he's gonna be in Brooklyn
for Christmas. Maybe presumptuous, is Nick? Right? The TV show
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the Doug got Lip Show. Uh, Mary, everything to you, Nick,
how are you? She was well? Happy Holidays? Christmas is

(01:33:00):
Sonka Kwanta. And I'm not a hipster man. I don't
live in Brooklyn. I thought you did. No, I live
in Harlem, man another actually, and Harlem honestly is the
new Brooklyn. Right, seriously, hip A lot of hipsters moving
in don't act like I don't. Maybe you go to
a different part of Harlem than me. Maybe you also
go to a part of Harlem where people just debut
horrific top ten lists. So you're amongst your people. I

(01:33:22):
don't know, but it's good to talk to you, all right,
So so what about my top ten list? I mean,
obviously you have Lebron is your number one player of
all time. We we we disagree there, but that's not
the issue the Listen, there's there. There are four teens.
There is not many tourisms in the world. One of
them is the fourteen greatest basketball players of all time,

(01:33:45):
and we can argue on the order. But the fourth
team best basketball players of all time are Lebron, James,
Michael Jordan's, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain,
Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, Shaquille O'Neal, pardon me
a Chimo La, Juan, Moses Malone, and now I'm forgetting

(01:34:08):
my last two, so give me a moment. But there
there's twelve of your two I will tell you are
that I was doing off top of my head, Jerry
West and Ostar Roberts. That's your four team. So we
can argue about the ten, but that's gotta be your
four team by any metrics, by the stats rings, whatever
metric you want. And I'm seeing Isaiah Thomas and yours.

(01:34:31):
I'm seeing what really put me, what really made me
be so harsh on Twitter? Would you have Kevin Durant
there when if we're ranking all time players, Durant about
the highest ranked on his own team, like we gotta so, okay,
so highest rank by whom, high rank by whom? Like
Kevin Durant is a better player than Steph Curry. Right,

(01:34:51):
he's a better all time player than Steph Curry. Player,
He's not a better all time player. It's it's the
same again, Nick said, says who he's he's holding. He's
six foot ten. He's led the league in scoring four times.
He's been an m v P. He was the MVP
of the NBA Finals, going against by your estimation, the
best player of all time. That gets your estimation. And

(01:35:12):
he was better then the best player of all time,
especially in the fourth quote of the most important time,
So on the biggest stage, he was great. He's been
the best player, by the way, on the Olympic teams
two times over and oh yeah, by the way, he's
first team All b I don know, four times been hurt.
That's why he wasn't why he was last year and
and the previous year. He's the best player in the NBA.

(01:35:35):
He's that good. Okay, all right, Listen, He's obviously not
the best player in the NBA because he's because he's
worth at everything in basketball than Lebron. But so he's
the second best player in the NBA. He's a better
shooter and scorer. And she hold on, hold on by
what metric, Doug really, statistical metrics? Does he shoot a

(01:35:58):
better percentage from three? In Lebron? He shoots a much
higher volume of threes. I don't know what they're current are,
but but if you, if you, if you, if you
do accumulative of the last five years, it's like not
even close. Okay, well we're talking about right now, because
if you do accutive in the last five years, obviously
Lebron a player. But let's stop it. I don't better shot, Okay, well,

(01:36:20):
except for the fact that Lebron at least right now,
scores more more efficiently in a higher percentage. But set
the Durant stuff. Set the Lebron be Durant stuff aside
for a second. If Kevin Durant, god forbid, today got
hit by a bus. He's the eighth best basketball player ever. Sure,
I'm okay with that. Okay, Well no, no, no, no,
You're only okay with it because you said it, so

(01:36:41):
now you want to you have to defend it. It's absurd.
He why is absurd? Like I don't understand. Like, look,
he's capable of playing four to five positions on the floor.
He has played point guard. Has to be about accomplishment
as well. Okay, he's one, he's one NBA title. He
got to the finals with the Him City Thunder, He's
won an m v P. Like, how many of these

(01:37:02):
accomplishments do you have to like, let me know what?
Like again, that's the thing with Isaiah Thomas, Like, dude,
Isaiah Thomas lead the Pistons with no other Like I
guess you put Dumars no other like superstars. He dominated that.
He was a dominant point guarden. And I know there
were two other Hall of Famers on his team. I
mean two other Hall of famers on his team. But okay, like,

(01:37:27):
let me just go to the bottom of my list. Okay,
what's the argument that Durant has had a better career
career than Moses Malone. I mean, Moslimon statistically is ridiculously dominant.
It's just a it's a different sport now than it
was then. But was ever the best player in basketball
and three years in a row. So I'm gonna guess

(01:37:49):
in those three years he was the best player. I mean,
if we gotta go by m VPS and you gotta
put Steve nationalists, then you gotta put step hold on. Okay,
so we hold on, by the way, by the if
if you want to bring up bring up mos of
alan Is, why, by the way, brilliant. I do think
that he is, you know, like Kareem doesn't get enough
discussion at the top of greatest players of all time.

(01:38:09):
And I would agree with you that when Moses when
when we started, like the the idea that that Tim
Duncan and like I've even bought into Tim Duncan being
better than Moses alone, Like probably not really, just Tim
Duncan was part of great teams and was a great
player for a long time. But you probably would have
taken Moses Malone in his prime ahead of Tim Duncan.
But even I bought into the Duncan thing because everybody

(01:38:30):
in basketball is bought in the Duncan thing. Yeah, I
mean just the Durant Durant. Why don't you like Kevin Durant.
Let's just really get down to it. Hold on a second.
I think Durant is the second best player in the world.
Durant is of the I I put out my top
fifty on Twitter. I have Durant either as the third
or I guess I am as the fifth highest rated

(01:38:52):
active player. But you've got to do more if you Durant.
The idea that Kevin Durant could be a top ten
player all time with one m v P one championship
and less than ten years played is absurd. He's not
better all time than Dirk. Now again, if the question

(01:39:13):
is at their best, who's the best? That's different. If
the question is at there, if you're getting this guy
for one game at his apex, who's the best? Well,
the answer that might to that might be Shaquille O'Neil,
But that doesn't make that guy the greatest player ever.
It has to be about accomplishments as well, and so

(01:39:34):
like putting having Durant anywhere close to a top ten. Now,
if your question is who is the player active right
now most likely to finish in the top ten, other
than Lebron who's already there. Obviously, Yes, the answers Durant
ad percent the answers Durant, But he's not there yet. Okay,

(01:39:54):
I like, I just like people. It's it's like the
Aaron Rodgers argument. It's like, is the only one once
your pull? So I can't consider the greatest quarterback of
all time? Like, Okay, I've watched football for a long time.
He's shown he can perform in the biggest stage. He's
shown he can lift up teams that aren't that good.
He's shown he has like checks more boxes than anybody
else in terms of skill set. He's got toughness, he
comes back from injury, YadA, YadA, YadA. Like I have

(01:40:15):
no problem calling him the greatest quarterback of all time.
People say, well, Tom Brady has won five Super Bowls.
I can't argue with that. I still would rather have
have Aaron Rodgers. So that's that's kind of my Durant
argument over some of these other guys. So yeah, well
then then I guess we're just having slightly different conversations because,
by the way, I agree with you on Aaron Rodgers.
So I think both of these things are true. I

(01:40:36):
think no one has ever been better at playing quarterback
than Aaron Rodgers. But if he never played another game,
he's not one of the best five best quarterbacks of
all time because it can't be. It can't be a
college football playoffs situation where it's like, hey, they didn't
do enough, but I just think they're the best. Like
in sports, you gotta go out there and do it,

(01:40:58):
like the Bill Walton is a guy whose career was
who cruise was shortened massively by anything. It's it's a
it's a very it's a very valid point, and you
could say it's a flaw of the argument. I think
the other part of the argument that makes it really
really hard is it's such a completely different game, not
just style wise and officiating wise. It's like the timing

(01:41:19):
of of Lebron entering the league, when the league decided
smartly to give offensive players kind of a free reign
in terms of playing downhill and not being hand checked against,
Like those two things coinciding at the same time. It's
it's what's changed football, right, like like Jerry Rice is
often said, and he's right, like if we had these

(01:41:41):
rules when I played Matt and and they threw it
and we ran as many plays as they ran, imagine
the numbers that I would put up. I think that's
one of the hard things in balancing, as opposed to
the big guys putting up such huge numbers. Going back
in the day, Lebron came into the league at the
absolute worst possible time for us to recognize his greatness.

(01:42:01):
And he's still the greatest player ever. Like you get
that right, Like I love that argument for people with Lebron, Like, oh,
Lebron coming into a less physical, more shooting NBA has
been so helpful for him. Really, No, it's it's not
the it's not the less physical, more shooting. It's that
they can't put it. You can't put a big guy
on him, and you can't and and just forearms shiver

(01:42:23):
him and body check him out on the floor like
they used to. You can't do it. So there's a lot. Okay,
So that's interesting because again, though it is, we do
agree that today's NBA it is less physical and more
revolving around shooting. Right, Well, it's it's more it's less
physical on the perimeter, it's more physical in the low post,
or maybe it's as physical and the low in the

(01:42:44):
low post. That's why nobody can score in the post anymore,
because it's just you can pay to complete. You can
put an arm barr and guys backs and guys are
stronger than ever. So why would you shoot a low
analytically low percentage shot as opposed to you're better off
where they can't touch you in the perimeter. Okay, but
like this, I know right now, it's I want to
get back to what I'm saying, like the a less

(01:43:07):
physical perimeter game, a more shooting centric game. That's the
game we're in now. People somehow believe that's benefited Lebron
when Lebron his entire career, his biggest attribute has been
a physicality and the weakest part of his game has
been his outside shooting game. And that's where that's where
you're mistakening, the mistaken in the the idea that that

(01:43:30):
the physicality is being taken out of the game. You
can't be physical defensively on the part, right and so
and so Lebron, who is the best athlete of his
size that we've ever seen, can get a running started,
guys and play you know, downhill basketball and all of
a sudden, like, what are you going to do? There's
literally nothing I can do when he gets a running start,

(01:43:53):
because God knows, because if Lebron had to play in
the early nineties, Ron Harper would have kept him out
of the lane. Like I love the argument that not
allowing hand checking as aided Lebron as opposed to Let's
envision a scenario where Lebron is in the league and
hand checking is allowed. People do recognize they let Lebron

(01:44:13):
do it too, right, Like you do recognize that in
that scenario, maybe the team's playing Lebron's team never gets
the ball passed half courts. No question he would. He
would be an unbelievable much better and even if even
better on ball defensive weapon. I don't I wouldn't dispute that.
It's just we're comparing. It's where it's impossible comparisons. It's

(01:44:34):
like it's like if you've ever had a conversation with
Chris Mullen, who in the previous era of the NBA
was seen, as you know, along with Larry Burden a
couple of others, the greatest shooters in the NBA. But
you can't compare Mully's numbers with Steph Curry because of
the volume of threes that are shot. It's a completely
different basketball game. It just is. And when Chris Mullen

(01:44:54):
will tell you when the cameras are off it like, look,
they we didn't think. We didn't think it was a
high percentage shot. We and people just didn't do the math.
They didn't work it out. And so when he played
with run tmc like people thought even those three like
one fourth of what they're taking now. It's just it's
a different sport almost in terms of how the game
has played. And I think disputing that, which are not

(01:45:14):
really disputing, but people that dispute that they're doing a
disservice UH to the change, the massive change in officiating
and in positioning and in spacing in the game. That's listen.
I agree the game has changed enormously. But what you
because you're an astute basketball observer, player and fan, what
I think you'll acknowledge that the former players who are

(01:45:36):
on TV UH refused to about the eighties and nineties.
Here's another truth about Let's take the eighties, the golden
era of basketball help defense did not exist. The the
energy took on the defensive or offensive end, was so
minute compared to what is it is now. Go watch

(01:45:58):
those amazing final between the Lakers and the Celtics, and
what you'll see is three guys on the weak side
of the court doing nothing like the idea that basketball now.
I personally, I think the best basketball that's been ever
played as far as aesthetically is probably a few years ago.
I think it's gotten two three heavy, and I wish

(01:46:21):
you would have something of a correction. But I think,
by the way, which is a really smart point, I
think it will. I think the NBA will adjust some
somehow with the big guy, with the new big guys
in league. But go ahead, I don't mean to interrupt, No, no, no,
I just think basketball is smarter, harder, and better now
than it's ever been. And the other reason that's true
is think about the best young players. And this isn't

(01:46:43):
a comprehensive list, but I'm just gonna give you four names,
Janice Ben Simmons, Joel Embiide and Chris Steps for zinghis.
Those four guys are from respectively, Greece, Australia, Cameroon and
a lot. Uh. When you have literally the entire world
to draw from your sports going to get better? Uh,

(01:47:07):
Nick Right, check them out on first things first, we
don't always argue. We actually talked. I gotta talk to
you about a bunch of stuff off fair. In the meantime,
I know the show is going really, really well. We
love hearing it on Serious x M A E three
Have yourself a merry everything and Merry Christmas. Enjoy Harlem
will catch up with real soon. Absolutely, and I appreciate
I know you're helping us out on the show. Come
up soon, and I know that hopefully you're coming out

(01:47:27):
so we can do some of this on television. Sorry,
I don't have more time. I appreciate you, dog, keep
up the good work, all right, great Nick Right joining
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(01:47:49):
and I necessarily didn't win it in that he understood
the perspective because he actually ended up agreeing with me.
At the end, we're bringing Steve to Sager. Steve, did
you hear that? Did you hear him? At the end?
Go like, well, if you're gonna say who's eventually going
to be in the top ten, it's gonna be Kevin Brown.
Like so unobjectively you won the segment, is what you're saying. Well,
it's an argument. He went from saying it was the

(01:48:10):
worst top ten list of all time. Okay, okay, we
did say in time on the Durant thing. Anyway, we
we got a lot of NBA news to get to. First.
I want to say that Orioles closer Zach Britton ruptured
and achilles during a workout. He left surgery tomorrow, and
the San Francisco Giants acquired third baseman Evan Longoria from
Tampa Bay One NFL note that jackar Evan Longoria was

(01:48:33):
in in in Tampa. Don't look this up, Steve. How
many years do you think he was in Tampa? Uh?
Fa'll say eight? Rama's you wanted to you want to
get her a guest? I was gonna say eight as well.
Music are you gonna go eight as well? Just to
like to make three aids from way I'm gonna go seven, Doug,
I believe the answer is ten ten years, right. It

(01:48:56):
does not seem like when you're in Tampa. Here's a
very example of why Evan Longoria had to get the
hell out of Tampa. Like outside of that here that
one hat was it like a new era hat commercial.
Outside of that, I can't think of the name Evan
Longoria ever falling off the tongue, only that it wasn't
a weird Eva Longoria and Evan Longoria we're at this
were popular at the exact same time he was there.

(01:49:17):
Ten years now he comes to a real club trying
to remake itself, going and very excited about going to
a place with great attendance San Francisco. I mean, the
amount of twenty thousand crowds, even in raised games, you
could count on one hand. In a given season, San
Francisco gets consistently forty thousand crowds. So it's a Longoria
and Cash to the Giants. Tampa. Bay gets four players,

(01:49:38):
including outfielder Nards Span and the Jaguars a running back
Leonard Fournet, who had a bruise quad will play Sunday
at San Francisco. Twelve NBA games tonight. The Chicago Bulls
started the season three and twenty. They won six in
a row. They're hosting slumping Orlando tonight. The Magic have
lost five in a row, and Evan Fournier, or averages
eighteen points a game, is out again with a sprained ankle.

(01:49:59):
Aaron New averages eighteen a game, still out with a
strain calf. Too poor teams, shall we say? Facing off
in Brooklyn, the Nets hosting Sacramento Kings. Rookie Deer and
Fox is out he aggravated his quad injury last night.
Houston has won fourteen in a row. It'll be hosting
the Lakers this evening. Lakers are ten and eighteen, and
l A center Brook Lopez is out at least three
weeks with a sprained ankle. Houston center Clint Capella now

(01:50:22):
out tonight with a bruised heel. The averages fourteen points
eleven rebounds per game for Utah. Donovan Mitchell, who averages
eighteen a game, is out tonight with a toe injury.
Utah's at Oklahoma City, Okay see just fifteen and fifteen
this year, and among the late games. Golden State winners
of nine straight hosting Memphis Draymond Green of the Warriors,
doubtful with his bad shoulder. Back to you. Uh you see,

(01:50:44):
my boy, Rousillo's leaving the ESPN of Hellas you can
see that. It is announced today. Yeah, he announced today.
Ryan and I have been really close friends. He used
to he lived in Boston, covered the Celtics for Comcast
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I He's drive in fill In and then eventually he

(01:51:04):
earned his way to getting on with Scott Van Pelton.
It became The Ricillo Show. And he's gonna I think
he wants to write TV shows and movies. Super super smart, creative,
dry wit, funny guy. And uh that's a brave deal
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(01:51:26):
is he's giving it all up and he's gonna go
right movies and TV shows in l a which, by
the way, awesome undersized screener power forward. And I'm gonna
offer up he could be my manny, like we have
an extra bedroom. Uh, he'd be he'd be a pretty
good influence up until like a PM on my little dude,
if you were gonna give it all up, I mean
all that you have, and let's be honest, you're you

(01:51:47):
are wildly overpaid. If you were going to give it
all up and you were gonna just hit refresh, what
would you do? That's tough. I would I would consider
probably not writing, but I would be interested in making movies.
And I think you said he's more interested in writing
TV shows. Um, yeah, yeah, I would be more in

(01:52:12):
like the visual aspects of like maybe like directing a
feature film, directing a feature filmy, alright, Ramos, if you
can do one, if you if you could give it
all up, right, Look, you have kids, you have wife,
you have a mortgage. You've been working at Fox forever.
I know you're a manager because you go to manager's
meeting and you talk about me behind my back at
the manager's meetings. Yes, um, what would you do? I

(01:52:37):
would actually like to go into record production, like I
producing albums and mixing and stuff like that, albums for bands.
I would find that very interesting. All right, Steve de Seger,
if you can do one thing anything, play by play
for the Dodgers. So I would stay in sports or
work for a team. What would you do for a team? Um,

(01:52:59):
you know, pr off. Some are good jobs, some are
not good jobs. There's also behind the scenes stuff with personnel,
but it would still be connected to sports. I wouldn't
go into movies. I see people around here that go
acting stuff. But just you know this, it's just the
the amount of rejection and stuff you don't get, um,
the auditions on the rejection here, I mean we get.

(01:53:19):
We tell you all the time, you stuck. You know,
I'm saying people who go ahead act. You can see
you're talking about a guy coming to Hollywood to h
to reset. I mean that's it. That's that's eight of
what you hear at minimum. Um. Yeah, yeah. I think
people also come out and they want to do real

(01:53:39):
estate too. They all but but a lot of them
want to Some have a want to write, but a
lot of them want to act, right, they want to act,
or they want to produce, they want to direct. There's
all different. And then there's the music industry as well.
And then they're working at a restaurant. Um, always your
waiter has some script in the back that he can
show you. Yeah, I don't know if I I told

(01:54:01):
you guys this one, but what's the movie? Uh? Famous
guys Like I'm gonna say, god, how old? How long
ago was that with Stiffler? And was that American Pie?
American Pie? Right? So I was, I was having sushi.
This is going back when we first when I first
came out here, I had like a sales meeting and um,

(01:54:23):
and so I went and we're sitting or waiting to
meet with this uh meet with this group, and we
ordered sushi and I did a double take at the waiter,
and I was trying to figure out, like, man, where
do I know that guy from? And the sales people
like you know that guy? Like did you go to
high school? Like I was like, nah, something else. I
can't remember where where I knew him from? And they're

(01:54:46):
like no, no, no no, no, like come on, dude, you
gotta um. And it was really interesting because I then
all of a sudden realized that he had been in
American Pie. I knew who he was, and I couldn't
figure out if I wanted to uh, if I wanted
to share it was it was? It was Sherman. You
remember Sherman, the red haired guy, Shermanader Sherman. Anyway, he

(01:55:10):
was our waiter and we're like, I was like Sherman.
He's like, yeah, it's like how often you get that?
He's like several times a day. No, he's like, look,
I still act. He's like, but you know, and you
still get residuals. But it's not like like I was
in the lead, like I was in Jason Biggs. I
wasn't Chris Klein, I was in Shannon Elizabeth. I wasn't
Tara Read. And uh, He's like, I did well for myself.

(01:55:31):
I've had some roles. He's like, but you know, you
gotta work otherwise. Pretty amazing, right. One of our producers
here was a child actor. Really yes, oh justin. Ben
Mallin's producer was what Jim Carrey and liar liar? Hmm, oh,
I know he was his kid. Yeah, I didn't know that.

(01:55:53):
He said. He's the one who said you're a lawyer,
you're a liar. Yeah. Right, that's that's that's that's that's
that's the famous line that that it had the coach
and the star player don't get along and the coach
is showing the door. That's how it works in the NBA.
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do you. I've heard lots of discussions about doing away
with the Pro Bowl and doing away with bowl games.

(01:56:34):
Here's the problem, America. Stop watching him, right, It's like
Danny Cannell calls games on Fox and we've had him
on I think once, and uh, you know he's he
wants to be the commissioner of college football. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
I was like, you want to be commissioner of college football?
Why would you do away with something that's wildly popular?

(01:56:57):
Like no, it's not like there's a reason that they're
on TV, right, Networks don't keep putting things on TV
that aren't popular. And if you want the Pro Bowl
to go away, like I've never watched a snap of
the Pro Bowl, not a snap, but somebody does. I mean,
it outrates most every college basketball game of the entire season,

(01:57:20):
the regular season, So people do. In fact, watch all right,
let's get to the press. Seger by the way, Brian
baldingerill join us tomorrow. Baldi breaks things down for the
NFL network is former alignment in the Nation Football League.
He's awesome. R J. Bell will join us. Get you
ready for the week sixteen picks in the National Football League?

(01:57:40):
Steve the second what you got? First off, you are
absolutely correct on the TV programming value of the bowl games.
Louisiana Tech playing tonight, for example, against s m U.
Louisiana Tech's bowl game last year got over two million viewers,
which is better than a lot of the T n
T NBA doubleheaders. Get right, Look, I don't understand it.
I know people bet on them. I don't understand it either,
but people watch it, you know. And now the Four

(01:58:02):
Letter owns some of the ball games. It's just programs
almost most of the bull games. Most of the ball games, well,
not a majority. They don't own thirty bowl games. I
think they do. Uh yeah, it's good drive. No, I
actually think they do. When I was there, we were
told they owned, Um, they own almost almost every ball game.

(01:58:24):
I believe, um, Yeah, they own a bunch. It owns
owns thirteen Bowl games. Okay, and they're about four thirteen
and maybe not thirty, but thirteen Bowl games. NBA News
that you plug before little teas before the break there.
About former Memphis coach David Fizdale, he addressed the speculation

(01:58:45):
about his relationship with All Star center Marcus All during
an appearance on The Jump. Fizdale said it's natural for
a head coach and star player to not always see
eye to eye on things. That's the league. USA Today
had reported those two had little to no communication for
the better part of the last ten months before the firing,
and that Gasole's benching during a late November game was
merely a tipping point in a situation that started to

(01:59:06):
go sour quite some time ago. I do think that
the organization has to have the coaches back, and I've
told you guys before, Fizz is a friend. But it's
a mistake to not continue to reach out and try
and communicate. Once you stopped talking, the relationships ceased to exist.
There is no relationship if you're not talking with one another,

(01:59:26):
and you have to have open lines of communication, like
it's it's a hard thing to break through to people.
But when you're a coach, and you guys didn't ask me.
But if I was gonna, everybody knows if I was
going to give it all up Like that's I love
what I do. It's the only thing I would I
would give it up to do. Uh would would be
to be a coach. Um. No matter you know how

(01:59:47):
old or how young the kids are, the boys or
men are, you have to find a way to communicate
with him, and I do. I actually put this on Fisdale.
Ten months of of hardly communicating. That's not being a
good head coach. There's a mistake. Memphis nine and twenty one.
Now they're at Golden State. Tonight news Bet and his Cantor.
Turkey state run news agency says that prosecutors are seeking

(02:00:07):
more than four years in prison for the NBA player
Cantor on charges of insulting the president over there. Cantor
said after Nick's practice today that stuff really doesn't bother me.
I'm used to it. I think it's just nothing to me. Man.
I'm in America. I'm good. Cantor cannot return to Turkey
because his passport has been canceled. He would be tried
in absentia. He can't even go anyway. So the other

(02:00:30):
reminds me of I was driving my first time, driving
from southern California to Oklahoma. I got pulled over on
like Native American lands and the guy was like, I
was like, well, what happens if I don't pay? Like well,
you'd be a fugitive from justice in these Native American lands.
And I was like, Okay, gonna risk it, you know,
And so as long as I'm not driving somewhere in
New Mexico over the speed limit, I think I'm good.

(02:00:53):
Do you sound like the the guys who have the
uh diplomatic community, They're never going to go to the
other eaches of New York City. They pile out the
parking tickets. They don't don't care. Comments from quarterback Cam Newton. Meanwhile,
the Carolina quarterback standing up for Jerry Richardson, Cam emphasized
that the allegations against the owner are just that allegations. Richardson,

(02:01:14):
according to s I settled with at least four former
employees to keep their accusations against him private, and now
Richardson gonna put the team up for sale after this year.
Newton said, today, I basically almost got an n c
double a suspension just off an allegation. That's how I
feel about it, not comparing apples to apples. But it's
still something somebody said, end quote. I think it's actually

(02:01:36):
a smart play from Cam Newton. It's it's a good
point to be made. It's you know, if somebody makes out,
it does not prove guilt in even in the court
of public opinion. Allegations are just that. It's it's a
fair it's a fair way to look at it from
Cam Newton. Back get out there and pressed. That was
the press, alright, so to say, you're what what bullgames

(02:01:57):
are tonight? The Louisiana Tech plays just one. It's set
the DVR. It's Louisiana Tech against s m U in Frisco,
Texas being played. It that's being played at the Dallas
Cowboys practice facility. I believe the Frisco Bowl New Yes,
it's being played, and that's I believe that's where it's
being played. That's how nice that facility actually is. That's

(02:02:21):
that's that's insane. Actually, how nice that facility actually is.
All Right, Brian Baldinger and R. J. Bell Tomorrow, have
yourself a great shopping day, getting ready for Christmas,

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