February 5, 2021 • 28 mins
With Super Bowl LV on deck, Ben and David were joined by former NFL QB Sean Salisbury. Knowing a thing or two about the most important position in football, Sean gives the guys his thoughts on a variety of signal callers that may or may not be moving this offseason.
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Sean Salisbury. Now Sean played at USC back and they
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bounced around the NFL. I remember him most as a
Minnesota Viking quarterback. But he he went to training camp
with some other teams. I think he even did a
stint in the Canadian Football League. Like a lot of
people know him more from his TV stuff. He was
at ESPN for a long time and has done a
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we are excited to have Sean on Washington back in
the day on ESPN and very opinionated guy and good
good at giving takes on on NFL. Obviously that's his
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bread and butter, but all things, he's a morning guy,
so he talks about all sports. But this is gonna
be an NFL heavy podcast, and so let's welcome in
Sean Salisburg. Guess why don't we start since year in
the Houston Morning Guy, we should start with Deshaun Watson. Sean,
thanks for coming on with us. But how does this
Deshaun Watson's story end. He apparently wants out of Houston.
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The Texans are claiming they don't really want to get
rid of him, at least that's the public position. So
how does this story end? Well, I think you'd be insane, Bennon,
It's great to be on with you too. How to
even consider trading him? I mean I would exhaust every
option to keep him on the roster. I mean you're
talking about other than Patrick Mahomes over the next decade.
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This is the best ask it to build a team
around for ten years. Now too, you'd say Rogers or
one of those guys is in the mix. But over
the next ten it's Mahomes Watson second. And then there's
the gap between the three. And yeah, I'm including Conlor
Marie and Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayson, all of them.
Watson second, and he would command a major hall. I
get it, but I understand disgruntled. And it may come
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to the point where it's say, if he's got the
guts to hold out and I'm on his side because
they came away with you know, the trust and trust
matters for a lot of guys. He's a principled guy. Um,
he's a dedicated guy. Trust and communication when they there's
a misconception that he went and told them he wanted
to say. They came to him and asked for input,
and then they didn't ask for his input after they
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told him they'd give it to him. So I get
his distrust in the easter be cowed dysfunction. It's probably,
excuse me, the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL right now.
And that's saying something, Ben. You've covered the sport in
the sports world for a long time, so uh, for
for me, I would think that if I was the
GM or the owner, I'd say And the talk is
that they aren't answering calls out it that they were
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saying we're not interested. But you know that can change.
So it's never all or nothing, I guess. But if
Watson has the guts to hold out a forty million
bucks not play a season, then you've got to say
who's Who's who's stronger to call the bluff? I mean,
are you gonna sit out we're a long ways from that.
But I wouldn't trade him. I wouldn't trade a guy
who's that good. But if it was unfixable, the hall
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for for And that's the way people feel in town.
It's Watson. Two of the people are like, well, he's
under contract, he should just show up and play, regardless
of what happened to blah blah blah. And if you're
you know, ownership or management, when they're piss they can
say something about you, but when you've got a problem
as a player, you're not supposed to talk. That's, you know,
the old school philosophy. Right, Well, things are changing, so
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for me then I would think that if you traded Watson,
I wouldn't answer your call. If alls you were offering
me his three first round picks, i'd say, I'd say,
if it came to the point where we had to
get rid of him, I'm gonna make your franchise hurts
so bad, whether you the forty Niners or the Dolphins
of the Jets, that I'm gutting your franchise to the
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point that when you do trade for Watson, as good
as he is, that you're gonna ask the room that's
in that room and making this decision. Did we make
the right move even though we're going to get a
franchise changing quarterback. That's how bad it's got to hurt you.
I'll see you, Stafford, and I'll raise you a double.
Is what exactly people are thinking when it comes to
Deshaun Watson in this town. Yeah, and you know, I've
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talked about Watson a lot because it's a big story obviously,
and my thing and I can't wrap my head around
I know, the trust deal which you brought up. But
the Texans, it's not like they just became dysfunctional. You're
there every day, Sean, your your cover and I mean
Bill O'Brien was still the coach and the GM when
Watson signed the extension. So and it's it's not like
this is a new phenomen It's not a case. My
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point is, it's not bait and switch. So what is
really going on here? Is this an ownership situation with
I know, the owner passed away and the kids running
the team now? Is it? Is it a higher level
situation with the Texans? It is. It's it's the fact
that I think and we well, this isn't just a
one off thing. And where it's like, oh, this happened
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that they promised him this, Now that I think this
was the capper, you know, the O'Brien thing, the trade
into DeAndre Hopkins without telling you know, was just out
of nowhere, right, And it's a it's cumulative, man. It's
it's not just one thing, because a lot of times
we all are offended by something somebody says, um, and
it's like, Okay, let's let's try to sit down and
fix it. It's like, at some point you think that
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whether it's Deshaun or the front office, Nick Cassario, the
new GM, he wasn't here during the dysfunction. Neither was
David Culley. So I'm hoping to Shaun and then say
we're grown ass man. Let's sit down for a second
and let's just spend a couple of hours and see
if we can't find out and hear hear out, hear
you out what what concerns you. And I'd be willing
to do that because this is a great football player
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and a great human. But then you make a good
point is you signed a contract when there was dysfunction, um,
and you knew. I mean, you've been on a dysfunctional
franchise with a dysfunctional owner. God rest Mr mcnersle but
post him and even when he was there, if you
remember the race issue about inmates and stuff, and that
the players were bothered by that. So this is a
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deeper issue, I promise you, than just a one off thing.
And then you know this too in life and and
other things. Sometimes like in a relationship, right a marriage,
which this is supposed to be, sometimes the dude just
wants out or the girl wants out. They've just had
they don't want to do anymore. And for what you
could talk and go out to dinner and drink wine
and say, and then the next day it's like going
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back to I don't want to do it. So maybe
it gets to the point that he just wants out.
And if he does, then at some point in time
you've got to have a come to Jesus, not only
with him but with your own front office and say, listen,
it isn't gonna work. How are we going to move
on from this? And then you next as he's held
you hostage, need to go hold franchise as hostage and
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say you ain't getting him. For two first rounders and
two a sorry, dude, that's not enough of a gut punch.
That's what they have to do. But if the front office,
we shouldn't be in this situation. Ben, you know this,
when you sign a guy you've been covering sports this long,
We've never seen this. We we we've never seen five
year old, forty million dollar quarterback in the prime of
his career where it's come to this in this sport.
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Other sports we have hell and Houston hardened. We've seen
it twice. So Harden was part of it too. So
you get to a point where it's like, since we
haven't seen it, then I've I've got to find a
way that you're gonna have to mortgage some of your
franchise to do it to get him. And if you're
willing to do that, then if it's if it's beyond fixing,
then we've got to address that. But if I was
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a GM here or if somebody you know, thinking somebody else,
it should have never got to this. We should be
enjoying the fruits of Deshaun Watson. And now we're talking
to a guy that now now to other teams have
supposedly jumped in the fray. If there's an offer on
the table and he wants out. I'm sure they'll entertain
it at some point. Well, you're a football guy, you
played the sport and all that, You've been around it forever.
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And this is, as you reference, this is an NBA
type move the Shaun Watson store, it's an NBA. Is
this going to become I don't think it is. But
is this going to become more prevalent in the NFL
now that because of social media and some other factors
here that we we're gonna end up seeing more of
these star players who are unhappy just strong arm their
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way out of town like they do in other sports. Yeah,
maybe more, but I don't know. And unlike the NBA,
I mean I think there's more stars. When I say stars,
since there's five guys on the court, the superstars control
more in the In the NBA, they just do week
I can grow through him. At some point, Luca is
going to control what he wants to do, right, Janice
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does we liewle Lebron has how guys like Paul George
and James Harden and I mean they do. So there's
a bunch of let's say there's a dozen of them
in the NBA. If you went down the pecking order Lebron,
if Steph Curry, I'm sure at some point I wanted
to control his. He could k d you know the
controlled here. I mean you can now we look in
the NFL. How many of those sacred cows are there?
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I mean, Watson is controlling it. Mahomes is locked up
for like forty seven years, so probably won't come to that,
but he could. Rogers is starting to do. We've heard
Rodgers talk about it, and you know, apparently wants a
new deal. So maybe him. But I think he wants
to play. I actually do think he wants to play
his career in Green Bay after that. Baker is not
at the point yet. Lamar can't control that yet because
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they're still wondering what he said. Josh Allen's not there
just yet. He's still got much to prove, So we
have less volume of those guys that completely because I
hate to say it, but a pass rushing defensive end,
even though he may be dominant like Myles Garrett or
Nick Bosa, there the quarterback, the tenth best quarterback in
the league is always going to bring more value than
the best pass rusher. He just is and on the ball.
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I mean, so the best thing you could be is
that as dominant as you want, bring LT back and
it's still Lawrence Tanner I'm talking about, and he's not
gonna be able to dictate if a franchise, Okay, oh
you want to hold out, great, we'll put another guy
in there. Our quarterback will hold it out for us.
Not that they're not important, but a left tackle and
those guys aren't gonna dictated. So I think more would
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like to think that they got that poll. But we're
at a point now, Ben think about it. Jerry Judy
today says, oh, man love to have Deshaun Watson. He's
got his quarterback under contract. He's a Denver Bronco. And
instead of wait until Deshaun Watson gets traded if he does,
he's talking about the Shawn as a Denver Bronco, how
much it would be great and he'd love to play
with him there, and he's got to go back in
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the locker room and deal with and Drew lock. Who
does that? I mean, I understand if the guy's a
free agent not coming back, but who who does that?
But that's where we're at. It just kind of go
on Twitter say whatever you want going into Yeah, and
could you imagine Drew Lock walking up to him and say, man,
I'll tell you what. You're a good player. But I
really love Henry Rut your college teammate, because he's better
at the Raiders. He'd be better here. I'd love him
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and Stefan Bigs insteady. I mean, who who says this
and insitive? It's a matter of being respectful to your
teammate and co worker. Yeah. Well, and Jerry Judy I
that interview was legendary as we're doing this in real
time because apparently he was really I don't know what
was going on there, but he was a little out
of it in the radio. Yeah, he was enjoying himself
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whatever he was doing there. But yeah, we've all had
those interviews, right Sean, where you're you're doing university on
the radio and they're just not they're not. I interviewed
Kareem ab Dul Jabbar one time. He was eating a
sandwich and he did not stop while we were we
were doing the interview. I was like, you know, those
things happened from time to time. They do you know
what we're all we're all guilty of. Sometimes you just
heavily involved in something else. What are you going to?
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I'm with you by man and Jerry decided that Deshaun
Watson was his teammate and that Drew Lock wasn't. But
hey for me to judge that right exactly exactly. Now,
David Culley the coach, I'm gonna get off to the
Texas here. But David Culley, this you talk about on
the left field, like typically you know the drill, you
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and the coaches. There's a list of coaches that and
you just pretty much picked from that list in the
coaching hiring carousel. David Coley was not on anyone's list.
He was on no one's list. Now, what's the reaction
been in town there in Houston to this guy who
really didn't have any name value been around the NFL
for a million years, Like, what's the reaction been? Has
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it been as negative as I believe it's been? Kind
of like going to the and and I don't mean
this just kind of like going and you're like, oh,
I wanted that meal, but okay, I'll get I'll get
I'll get the the the ice cream that I get
every time, right, And what I'm saying, I mean by
that is it's just when when when the feeling was
blah higher right, not except me, I guess that's what
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I'm trying to say. It's like he didn't put all
the toppings on it and get Eric the enemy and
Robert Salom was gone. So the sextness of it. But
you know what I have been I had the same
thing as you. I knew about David Culley is an
assistant because because I had of regarded but I didn't know.
You know, it's it's I've ever been on a team
he was on, or sat down and had a long
conversation with him, so up about sex. He kind of
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sits in the middle of the on the ten range, right,
that what talking him out. He's just kind of okay.
He was the last one that anybody who brought. Most
people didn't know who he was. And not only in
Aren't town, but you know, not most people. You don't
know receiver coaches in the NFL, and so you start
to ask questions and you start to hear people. So
I asked Brian Mitchell played for him. I asked the
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Cleco's uh Cleco who played from Dan who played for him?
And then uh Allum former coach Gary Kubiak, John Hardball
and you eat every one of them square by him,
and they all say leader engaging people respond, Now, I'm
not a guy. I don't I don't subscribe to you
have to be a coordinator, never have to be a
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head coach. John Harball was a special team's coach under
Andy and a defensive back to the coach got the
job and everybody said, well, he's the other hardball. Well
he's now the hardball and Jim's the other hardball right now.
John's the hell of a coach, one of the best
in the league. And it's how you're trained. Hey, you
don't have to call plays. That's not a prerequisite in
my mind, some of it is. But more importantly, it's like,
who's the sexy one? Most people don't even know Eric
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because he's on the Chiefs. The lead has been through
it and he's earned it, and he's put himself in
position to do all these interviews. Still surprised he's got hired,
and I he was a guy I wanted. But you
know what, I don't know how he doesn't interview sots, Like,
of all the candidates there tom about eight ten people.
He was one to oh, that's not gonna happen, and
it happened. So but I'm willing to give a guy
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a chance. And why is because resume sixty fives, so
I can care less about a can reach the players
a thirty or sixty five. And I have yet to
talk to a person who said that he hasn't reached players. Guys.
I'm talking about where there's a chasm, and I mean
in age and everything. So I'm willing to getting a shot.
And if he comes that highly regarded by these guys,
we're never gonna know still whether he's thirty five year old,
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two year old when got hired or whatever. Thirty year
olds Shot McVeigh sixty five year old David call. I'm
happy for him gets an opportunity after all these years.
Of course you're gonna take it, and now you've got
to seize the moment, go after it and hopefully put
a full staff the comfortable with together. Those are the
guys that need to be the excess and those guys,
those guys have been around. He might need a CEO
who's a great leader of men and who maximizes the
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building and coaches his coaches and then empowers them to
do their jobs. So I'm willing to see how this
works out because I've seen plenty of great coordinators that
sucked as head coaches. I've seen plenty of position coaches
that sucked his coordinators. So if you can lead men
and get your coaches to coach, and there's accountability in
the building and communication and trust, it'll w But I
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think for most part men, You're right that everybody's like,
who who who is this? And it was just kind
of the blaw higher. But I'm rooting for David Culley
because you know what, after all this time to stay
the course and nobody, nobody at sixty five things they're
getting their first head coaching job. Usually they're saying, I
want my last head coaching job. So good for him,
and I hope I hope he you know, grasps Houston,
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and I hope Houston and the fans grab onto him,
and a lot of that will be part and parcel
of what they do with the roster, which they don't
have obviously their first time pick, because Hare has got
his work cut out for shall what would you do
in Pittsburgh? Rothlisberger turns thirty nine in March and it
would be a bad situation if they finished middle of
the road seven and nine, eight and eight, nine and
seven in the following year. But it almost feels like
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to me, this is like an Eli Manning situation. Not
to say that he's as bad as Manning was towards
the tail end of his career, but would either want
to be really good and compete for a Super Bowl
or be really bad and get a high draft high
draft pick. I mean they're neither of that, right, right,
and and well that's the way truthfully then, And this
is the France I have so much respect for. They're
never gonna be the Steelers are always gonna hover. They
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got a great coach. The continuity of front office ownership,
head coach, general manager, quarterback, the continuity for that franchise
is but going on from Chuck Nolan brand, I mean
right on down the continuity. And you look around great
franchises and all sports, the continuity from top down to
your and you just your your manager. And although managers
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changed with the continuities, and especially in football, it just
is not only on a position and go on the field,
but in the pecking order of of of building a franchise,
and the Steelers are always gonna be. That's how Ben
got there. Remember what was the eleven or ten or
twelve pick somewhere in there where it was like, well
does he go higher? He thought he was going higher,
and he fell to Pittsburgh and it was the greatest
fault that he could ever want. And like and Aaron Rodgers,
you're saying, well, I'm not on a team that needs
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to rebuild. I'm on a team that needs you. And
so for me, the Steelers here, I would do Ben
still listen when he's health he still about four thousand
yards and thirty touchdowns in him. The movement's not quite
the same the it's if there's something a little bit.
They were more of a check down sideways team than
the normal Ben Roethlisberger were used to most of the time.
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If it was me, I don't think Hapkins is a
franchise quarterback. And now they got obviously, I don't believe
that Mason Rudolph the franchise quarterback. I would keep Ben
and I would go see how if I could find
a tree Lance. If you thought Mac Jones, who's a
lot like Ben, smart, accurate with the football, big guy,
not a great runner but underrated to get you a
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few extra yards. And he's been such a fast riser
since he got a starting job, and he'll be the
one that's drafted later in this draft of the first round,
I would go draft the quarterback or possibly trade for
Sam Donald. You know, if if the Jets are gonna
go because Donald had a horrible coach in New York.
If Donald and I've talked about five, six, seven guys
that are in the know that if he's played the
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position smarter than me, or in the in the front
office or coached, that's all believed to a man that
if Donald was coached right and on the right roster
with better players, that that Donald is gonna be in
the quote I quote unquote star in the league. They
believe he's got a big time upside. So if you
could land a guy liked his appe man on a
good roster with his arms, skills and his ability to move,
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this is pretty cool. So I would. I would then
probably gonna come and start if he doesn't retire, but
I would. It's time to start looking for the not
not not just kind of the guy like Mason Rudolph
or kind of a guy. It's time to go. Like Haskins,
it's let's go get that guy, as Zach will in
a trade lance that we think is our next guy,
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and Pittsburgh is good at finding those guys. Speak about
the next guy. Can you get into the mind of
Andrew Luck? Do you think he comes back? You know,
I talked to his dad about a year and a
half ago, a little over a year ago, and he
was peaceful with his decision. And the only thing about
this sport at that position now I heay. I if
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somebody sits on here's a hundred bucks and here's the
odds and the underdog odds. If you're getting, you know,
a bunch of money, You're going a bunch of bucks
by betting two hundred bucks and a hundred bucks on
Andrew Luck coming back, and you're gonna get great odds.
I'd probably put it on there just for fun on
a future's bet. I could see that. But you know,
the longer you're removed from it, while you may be hungry,
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the more that the tougher effort is to get yourself
ready to play in the off seas. That's that's why
guys like when when when players retired like a Philip Rivers.
He can still throw for four thousand yards. The problem
is all that off season work you gotta put in
to try and stay ready, and it's the off seasons
that are tougher grinding in the season because then you
get to play in the competition. So I'm not ruling
out Luck because depending on how peaceful. If he's loving
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what he's doing, then he may he may not come
back if he finds, you know, solid peace in this
and he won't come back. But it was a bummer
because I think with that offensive line, we were just
starting to get a field for he was gonna have
the players that you drafted him for a good offensive line,
and you get Clinton Nelson and then you can build
it and you get Leonard on defense, and you start
to do this with a good front office guy. So
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I'm not ruling it out. What a wild card that
would be if he decided to come back, But he
seems like he beats too A little bit different drum
Mike Gutt would say if I was sitting there and
he had and I had to pick on and I'd
say that the guys, once he's walked away, is gonna
stay away. But I think that a lot of guys
in the city, you realize if you want to come back,
to do it sooner than later, because once you're four
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or five years out, I honestly what you may be
able to regain it. It's really hard. This is that's
a tough, especially if that position you gotta be all
in or rubble. And if he's only and Andrew Luck,
the Andrew Luck we saw before he left. I'll ask
this because Ben is an absolute homer, but getting Stafford,
getting getting Stafford, do you think that puts the Rams
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in that upper echelon that they can compete for a
Super Bowl. I'll betch you. I'll bet you that Stafford
is in the m v P Talk next year. I'll
bet you that that that McVeigh cuts him loose, meaning
they does all the things that Stafford was one were
able to do in the train because well they didn't
have any players at no time when he was there
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did he have. You know, some guys will get into
it and you're like, like, we say Pittsburgh, where they
could run it and they had receivers, they played defense,
they got the quarterback coaching staff. You're like, damn, this
is really cool. You know, one time he had Reggie
Bush to rush over a thousand ducks and he had
Megatroum but not a lot of other weapons. And then
he had you know that the defense is trying to
get better, but never dominant. He's never had a team
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where he walked in and said, all the best in
the division. Now the Rams may I'll be the best
in division cause us is there in a healthy forty
Niners team and kinda Murray. That's a brutal division. But
with McVeigh, they got three of the best players that
the top ten players who position. Donald's the best, Jalen
Ramsey's top three, and Stafford is still a top ten
guy because he can rip it. He's competitive, he's got
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high football skill set in i Q and rejuvenated man
to get back into that and knowing that you're the guy. Yeah,
And I don't know if he's gonna win Super Bowl,
but they did upgrade and that's no disrespected Garrett Doll.
Matt's hafter, just a better player. So this this is
we're just gonna be fun to watch, and I actually
believe you're gonna see him. He will not shock me
if he has his most peaceful season. But also his
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best season as a pro. And when you look at me,
I think you out of the York season, he's taped
full of forty had meaning ten picks, the tended twelve picks,
forty touchdowns and sixties five percent, sixty six percent completed
percentage and a QDR of you know, a hundred and
getting his team in the class. And once he gets in,
remember that year he had when he every single game
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he was bringing teams back. He's a dangerous weapon, an
assault from Allen and Mahomes. I don't think anybody in
the league throws it has the army has. I still
think in his early thirtie he's that guy. I think
this is a great upgrade. And Sean McVeigh said, if
we don't win drafts, but we don't want to, I
don't care about when the trades. They care about winning
super Bowls. And it may have been a different you know,
they may have been closer if Stafford was their quarterback then.
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And I think they learned a lot about Jared Goffer
in their mind when they got rid of him, because
they're probably not sure that he can handle the pressure
of a Super Bowl. I hope he can, and I
hope he succeeds because I root for him to Staffords
a better player. So, Sean, where are you at on
the draft picks? And I The main complaint against the
Rams is well, they have no first round picks. They're
gonna go seven years without a first round pick because
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of all the trades they made. I have no problem
with it because you can get players elsewhere in the draft.
Where do you fall on that conversation that you know
the Rams front office is to completely botch this because
they keep trading where a first round picks. Listen, Stafford
is better than the first one team pick the draft. Okay,
hey listen, I I like assets too. We get so
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caught up. Oh you've got a half picks? Did you
look at the list since like two thousand and four,
two thousand and six to two thousand and seven team,
do you know that there's only one quarterback one of
all the first rounders when we go to the I'm
kind of bat to book the boatload up. It's on
the same team he was on when he came into league.
It's hard to find these guys, man, and Stafford was
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one of those going to stay in. It's Carson Wentz
and Stafford's one of those guys and he just left,
so they're talking. It's hard. I can listen. I don't
care about six years from now. I always get that wall.
We're trying to build something for seven years from now.
By that prime McBey will be fired if they could
you know what saying I mean about thinking that. Listen
the Kansas City Chief salary captain thinking of either they're
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thinking we're gonna win and milk this while we can
and go get it. And you know what, they may
not have a first rounder for seven years. I guess
who you can do what up all of a sudden
two years Jalen Ramsey is all of a sudden thing,
well maybe just it's different. Wants out shift him for
a two seconds and then all of a sudden you
go trade that for first Listen, there's always maneuvering, just
like you can manipulate the salary cap. I'm not worried
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about what's going to happen, and honestly I'm not so
I want to win now and if it doesn't work,
we'll we group and do it again. The NFL, of
all the sports, you can turn this. You could be
two and four team one year, like the text four
and twelve, a player here six in play the game
and a quarterback and guess what go from four and twelve?
And it's get a little luck where you're not fumbling
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the ball to goal line against the Colts twice, and
now you're a mate. And then the next year in
the six back in the playoffs, so they well think
about it. In just a year and about two weeks
ago this team was twenty four and nothing in the
second corner over the Chiefs, and now look at him.
So it can go up and it can go down.
I I listen, I'd love assets, I'd love both, okay,
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But the truth for me is these people that get
so caught up in first round picks go up and
now listen, there's plenty a third round pick. Sure you'd
end up being better than the first round team. So
I can live without him if I think I'm a
super Bowl team now just giving them away and making
stupid trades and tan guys that are free agents that
are passed their best football, and then then you're just
an idiot. You won't be long for your job. But
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I don't have one ounce a problem of them giving
me too, getting given up a couple of first round
picks and another pick four Matt Stafford. If they think
and then and Stafford's got five years by that time,
they may have another first round of Matt staff for
the thirty six thirty that he's done and he had
his career, then go, you'll be time for another first
round pick. Okay, you trade handing, there's a way to
do it. I'm more interested in guys that can help
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me win over the next few years than I am
ten years from now. I could care less about that
unless you got am home turn Watson you're building as
a quarterback. I'm not worried about the first round pick
in he right now isn't about the sixth grade, So
I don't really care. Yeah, hey, Sean, we're up against it.
I appreciate it. Continued success with your show. Who are
you picking? On the Super Bowl? By the way, who
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you got? I got August? I took Tampa Bay if
I took Tampa Bay beat in Kansas City on my
show and preseason predictions in August, So every now and
I get something right, and that Brady is the MP.
T All got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty one dramatic
Brady wins another m v P and went another Super Bowl.
I'm going with Tampa Bay, all right, I'm going the
other way. I'm taking the Chiefs. Listen, Sean. Continued success,
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Sean Salisburg. Guess why don't we start since year in
the Houston Morning Guy, we should start with Deshaun Watson. Sean,
thanks for coming on with us. But how does this
Deshaun Watson's story end. He apparently wants out of Houston.
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The Texans are claiming they don't really want to get
rid of him, at least that's the public position. So
how does this story end? Well, I think you'd be insane, Bennon,
It's great to be on with you too. How to
even consider trading him? I mean I would exhaust every
option to keep him on the roster. I mean you're
talking about other than Patrick Mahomes over the next decade.
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This is the best ask it to build a team
around for ten years. Now too, you'd say Rogers or
one of those guys is in the mix. But over
the next ten it's Mahomes Watson second. And then there's
the gap between the three. And yeah, I'm including Conlor
Marie and Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayson, all of them.
Watson second, and he would command a major hall. I
get it, but I understand disgruntled. And it may come
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to the point where it's say, if he's got the
guts to hold out and I'm on his side because
they came away with you know, the trust and trust
matters for a lot of guys. He's a principled guy. Um,
he's a dedicated guy. Trust and communication when they there's
a misconception that he went and told them he wanted
to say. They came to him and asked for input,
and then they didn't ask for his input after they
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told him they'd give it to him. So I get
his distrust in the easter be cowed dysfunction. It's probably,
excuse me, the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL right now.
And that's saying something, Ben. You've covered the sport in
the sports world for a long time, so uh, for
for me, I would think that if I was the
GM or the owner, I'd say And the talk is
that they aren't answering calls out it that they were
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saying we're not interested. But you know that can change.
So it's never all or nothing, I guess. But if
Watson has the guts to hold out a forty million
bucks not play a season, then you've got to say
who's Who's who's stronger to call the bluff? I mean,
are you gonna sit out we're a long ways from that.
But I wouldn't trade him. I wouldn't trade a guy
who's that good. But if it was unfixable, the hall
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for for And that's the way people feel in town.
It's Watson. Two of the people are like, well, he's
under contract, he should just show up and play, regardless
of what happened to blah blah blah. And if you're
you know, ownership or management, when they're piss they can
say something about you, but when you've got a problem
as a player, you're not supposed to talk. That's, you know,
the old school philosophy. Right, Well, things are changing, so
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for me then I would think that if you traded Watson,
I wouldn't answer your call. If alls you were offering
me his three first round picks, i'd say, I'd say,
if it came to the point where we had to
get rid of him, I'm gonna make your franchise hurts
so bad, whether you the forty Niners or the Dolphins
of the Jets, that I'm gutting your franchise to the
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point that when you do trade for Watson, as good
as he is, that you're gonna ask the room that's
in that room and making this decision. Did we make
the right move even though we're going to get a
franchise changing quarterback. That's how bad it's got to hurt you.
I'll see you, Stafford, and I'll raise you a double.
Is what exactly people are thinking when it comes to
Deshaun Watson in this town. Yeah, and you know, I've
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talked about Watson a lot because it's a big story obviously,
and my thing and I can't wrap my head around
I know, the trust deal which you brought up. But
the Texans, it's not like they just became dysfunctional. You're
there every day, Sean, your your cover and I mean
Bill O'Brien was still the coach and the GM when
Watson signed the extension. So and it's it's not like
this is a new phenomen It's not a case. My
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point is, it's not bait and switch. So what is
really going on here? Is this an ownership situation with
I know, the owner passed away and the kids running
the team now? Is it? Is it a higher level
situation with the Texans? It is. It's it's the fact
that I think and we well, this isn't just a
one off thing. And where it's like, oh, this happened
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that they promised him this, Now that I think this
was the capper, you know, the O'Brien thing, the trade
into DeAndre Hopkins without telling you know, was just out
of nowhere, right, And it's a it's cumulative, man. It's
it's not just one thing, because a lot of times
we all are offended by something somebody says, um, and
it's like, Okay, let's let's try to sit down and
fix it. It's like, at some point you think that
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whether it's Deshaun or the front office, Nick Cassario, the
new GM, he wasn't here during the dysfunction. Neither was
David Culley. So I'm hoping to Shaun and then say
we're grown ass man. Let's sit down for a second
and let's just spend a couple of hours and see
if we can't find out and hear hear out, hear
you out what what concerns you. And I'd be willing
to do that because this is a great football player
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and a great human. But then you make a good
point is you signed a contract when there was dysfunction, um,
and you knew. I mean, you've been on a dysfunctional
franchise with a dysfunctional owner. God rest Mr mcnersle but
post him and even when he was there, if you
remember the race issue about inmates and stuff, and that
the players were bothered by that. So this is a
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deeper issue, I promise you, than just a one off thing.
And then you know this too in life and and
other things. Sometimes like in a relationship, right a marriage,
which this is supposed to be, sometimes the dude just
wants out or the girl wants out. They've just had
they don't want to do anymore. And for what you
could talk and go out to dinner and drink wine
and say, and then the next day it's like going
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back to I don't want to do it. So maybe
it gets to the point that he just wants out.
And if he does, then at some point in time
you've got to have a come to Jesus, not only
with him but with your own front office and say, listen,
it isn't gonna work. How are we going to move
on from this? And then you next as he's held
you hostage, need to go hold franchise as hostage and
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say you ain't getting him. For two first rounders and
two a sorry, dude, that's not enough of a gut punch.
That's what they have to do. But if the front office,
we shouldn't be in this situation. Ben, you know this,
when you sign a guy you've been covering sports this long,
We've never seen this. We we we've never seen five
year old, forty million dollar quarterback in the prime of
his career where it's come to this in this sport.
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Other sports we have hell and Houston hardened. We've seen
it twice. So Harden was part of it too. So
you get to a point where it's like, since we
haven't seen it, then I've I've got to find a
way that you're gonna have to mortgage some of your
franchise to do it to get him. And if you're
willing to do that, then if it's if it's beyond fixing,
then we've got to address that. But if I was
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a GM here or if somebody you know, thinking somebody else,
it should have never got to this. We should be
enjoying the fruits of Deshaun Watson. And now we're talking
to a guy that now now to other teams have
supposedly jumped in the fray. If there's an offer on
the table and he wants out. I'm sure they'll entertain
it at some point. Well, you're a football guy, you
played the sport and all that, You've been around it forever.
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And this is, as you reference, this is an NBA
type move the Shaun Watson store, it's an NBA. Is
this going to become I don't think it is. But
is this going to become more prevalent in the NFL
now that because of social media and some other factors
here that we we're gonna end up seeing more of
these star players who are unhappy just strong arm their
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way out of town like they do in other sports. Yeah,
maybe more, but I don't know. And unlike the NBA,
I mean I think there's more stars. When I say stars,
since there's five guys on the court, the superstars control
more in the In the NBA, they just do week
I can grow through him. At some point, Luca is
going to control what he wants to do, right, Janice
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does we liewle Lebron has how guys like Paul George
and James Harden and I mean they do. So there's
a bunch of let's say there's a dozen of them
in the NBA. If you went down the pecking order Lebron,
if Steph Curry, I'm sure at some point I wanted
to control his. He could k d you know the
controlled here. I mean you can now we look in
the NFL. How many of those sacred cows are there?
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I mean, Watson is controlling it. Mahomes is locked up
for like forty seven years, so probably won't come to that,
but he could. Rogers is starting to do. We've heard
Rodgers talk about it, and you know, apparently wants a
new deal. So maybe him. But I think he wants
to play. I actually do think he wants to play
his career in Green Bay after that. Baker is not
at the point yet. Lamar can't control that yet because
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they're still wondering what he said. Josh Allen's not there
just yet. He's still got much to prove, So we
have less volume of those guys that completely because I
hate to say it, but a pass rushing defensive end,
even though he may be dominant like Myles Garrett or
Nick Bosa, there the quarterback, the tenth best quarterback in
the league is always going to bring more value than
the best pass rusher. He just is and on the ball.
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I mean, so the best thing you could be is
that as dominant as you want, bring LT back and
it's still Lawrence Tanner I'm talking about, and he's not
gonna be able to dictate if a franchise, Okay, oh
you want to hold out, great, we'll put another guy
in there. Our quarterback will hold it out for us.
Not that they're not important, but a left tackle and
those guys aren't gonna dictated. So I think more would
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like to think that they got that poll. But we're
at a point now, Ben think about it. Jerry Judy
today says, oh, man love to have Deshaun Watson. He's
got his quarterback under contract. He's a Denver Bronco. And
instead of wait until Deshaun Watson gets traded if he does,
he's talking about the Shawn as a Denver Bronco, how
much it would be great and he'd love to play
with him there, and he's got to go back in
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the locker room and deal with and Drew lock. Who
does that? I mean, I understand if the guy's a
free agent not coming back, but who who does that?
But that's where we're at. It just kind of go
on Twitter say whatever you want going into Yeah, and
could you imagine Drew Lock walking up to him and say, man,
I'll tell you what. You're a good player. But I
really love Henry Rut your college teammate, because he's better
at the Raiders. He'd be better here. I'd love him
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and Stefan Bigs insteady. I mean, who who says this
and insitive? It's a matter of being respectful to your
teammate and co worker. Yeah. Well, and Jerry Judy I
that interview was legendary as we're doing this in real
time because apparently he was really I don't know what
was going on there, but he was a little out
of it in the radio. Yeah, he was enjoying himself
(12:11):
whatever he was doing there. But yeah, we've all had
those interviews, right Sean, where you're you're doing university on
the radio and they're just not they're not. I interviewed
Kareem ab Dul Jabbar one time. He was eating a
sandwich and he did not stop while we were we
were doing the interview. I was like, you know, those
things happened from time to time. They do you know
what we're all we're all guilty of. Sometimes you just
heavily involved in something else. What are you going to?
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I'm with you by man and Jerry decided that Deshaun
Watson was his teammate and that Drew Lock wasn't. But
hey for me to judge that right exactly exactly. Now,
David Culley the coach, I'm gonna get off to the
Texas here. But David Culley, this you talk about on
the left field, like typically you know the drill, you
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and the coaches. There's a list of coaches that and
you just pretty much picked from that list in the
coaching hiring carousel. David Coley was not on anyone's list.
He was on no one's list. Now, what's the reaction
been in town there in Houston to this guy who
really didn't have any name value been around the NFL
for a million years, Like, what's the reaction been? Has
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it been as negative as I believe it's been? Kind
of like going to the and and I don't mean
this just kind of like going and you're like, oh,
I wanted that meal, but okay, I'll get I'll get
I'll get the the the ice cream that I get
every time, right, And what I'm saying, I mean by
that is it's just when when when the feeling was
blah higher right, not except me, I guess that's what
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I'm trying to say. It's like he didn't put all
the toppings on it and get Eric the enemy and
Robert Salom was gone. So the sextness of it. But
you know what I have been I had the same
thing as you. I knew about David Culley is an
assistant because because I had of regarded but I didn't know.
You know, it's it's I've ever been on a team
he was on, or sat down and had a long
conversation with him, so up about sex. He kind of
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sits in the middle of the on the ten range, right,
that what talking him out. He's just kind of okay.
He was the last one that anybody who brought. Most
people didn't know who he was. And not only in
Aren't town, but you know, not most people. You don't
know receiver coaches in the NFL, and so you start
to ask questions and you start to hear people. So
I asked Brian Mitchell played for him. I asked the
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Cleco's uh Cleco who played from Dan who played for him?
And then uh Allum former coach Gary Kubiak, John Hardball
and you eat every one of them square by him,
and they all say leader engaging people respond, Now, I'm
not a guy. I don't I don't subscribe to you
have to be a coordinator, never have to be a
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head coach. John Harball was a special team's coach under
Andy and a defensive back to the coach got the
job and everybody said, well, he's the other hardball. Well
he's now the hardball and Jim's the other hardball right now.
John's the hell of a coach, one of the best
in the league. And it's how you're trained. Hey, you
don't have to call plays. That's not a prerequisite in
my mind, some of it is. But more importantly, it's like,
who's the sexy one? Most people don't even know Eric
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because he's on the Chiefs. The lead has been through
it and he's earned it, and he's put himself in
position to do all these interviews. Still surprised he's got hired,
and I he was a guy I wanted. But you
know what, I don't know how he doesn't interview sots, Like,
of all the candidates there tom about eight ten people.
He was one to oh, that's not gonna happen, and
it happened. So but I'm willing to give a guy
(15:23):
a chance. And why is because resume sixty fives, so
I can care less about a can reach the players
a thirty or sixty five. And I have yet to
talk to a person who said that he hasn't reached players. Guys.
I'm talking about where there's a chasm, and I mean
in age and everything. So I'm willing to getting a shot.
And if he comes that highly regarded by these guys,
we're never gonna know still whether he's thirty five year old,
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two year old when got hired or whatever. Thirty year
olds Shot McVeigh sixty five year old David call. I'm
happy for him gets an opportunity after all these years.
Of course you're gonna take it, and now you've got
to seize the moment, go after it and hopefully put
a full staff the comfortable with together. Those are the
guys that need to be the excess and those guys,
those guys have been around. He might need a CEO
who's a great leader of men and who maximizes the
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building and coaches his coaches and then empowers them to
do their jobs. So I'm willing to see how this
works out because I've seen plenty of great coordinators that
sucked as head coaches. I've seen plenty of position coaches
that sucked his coordinators. So if you can lead men
and get your coaches to coach, and there's accountability in
the building and communication and trust, it'll w But I
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think for most part men, You're right that everybody's like,
who who who is this? And it was just kind
of the blaw higher. But I'm rooting for David Culley
because you know what, after all this time to stay
the course and nobody, nobody at sixty five things they're
getting their first head coaching job. Usually they're saying, I
want my last head coaching job. So good for him,
and I hope I hope he you know, grasps Houston,
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and I hope Houston and the fans grab onto him,
and a lot of that will be part and parcel
of what they do with the roster, which they don't
have obviously their first time pick, because Hare has got
his work cut out for shall what would you do
in Pittsburgh? Rothlisberger turns thirty nine in March and it
would be a bad situation if they finished middle of
the road seven and nine, eight and eight, nine and
seven in the following year. But it almost feels like
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to me, this is like an Eli Manning situation. Not
to say that he's as bad as Manning was towards
the tail end of his career, but would either want
to be really good and compete for a Super Bowl
or be really bad and get a high draft high
draft pick. I mean they're neither of that, right, right,
and and well that's the way truthfully then, And this
is the France I have so much respect for. They're
never gonna be the Steelers are always gonna hover. They
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got a great coach. The continuity of front office ownership,
head coach, general manager, quarterback, the continuity for that franchise
is but going on from Chuck Nolan brand, I mean
right on down the continuity. And you look around great
franchises and all sports, the continuity from top down to
your and you just your your manager. And although managers
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changed with the continuities, and especially in football, it just
is not only on a position and go on the field,
but in the pecking order of of of building a franchise,
and the Steelers are always gonna be. That's how Ben
got there. Remember what was the eleven or ten or
twelve pick somewhere in there where it was like, well
does he go higher? He thought he was going higher,
and he fell to Pittsburgh and it was the greatest
fault that he could ever want. And like and Aaron Rodgers,
you're saying, well, I'm not on a team that needs
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to rebuild. I'm on a team that needs you. And
so for me, the Steelers here, I would do Ben
still listen when he's health he still about four thousand
yards and thirty touchdowns in him. The movement's not quite
the same the it's if there's something a little bit.
They were more of a check down sideways team than
the normal Ben Roethlisberger were used to most of the time.
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If it was me, I don't think Hapkins is a
franchise quarterback. And now they got obviously, I don't believe
that Mason Rudolph the franchise quarterback. I would keep Ben
and I would go see how if I could find
a tree Lance. If you thought Mac Jones, who's a
lot like Ben, smart, accurate with the football, big guy,
not a great runner but underrated to get you a
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few extra yards. And he's been such a fast riser
since he got a starting job, and he'll be the
one that's drafted later in this draft of the first round,
I would go draft the quarterback or possibly trade for
Sam Donald. You know, if if the Jets are gonna
go because Donald had a horrible coach in New York.
If Donald and I've talked about five, six, seven guys
that are in the know that if he's played the
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position smarter than me, or in the in the front
office or coached, that's all believed to a man that
if Donald was coached right and on the right roster
with better players, that that Donald is gonna be in
the quote I quote unquote star in the league. They
believe he's got a big time upside. So if you
could land a guy liked his appe man on a
good roster with his arms, skills and his ability to move,
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this is pretty cool. So I would. I would then
probably gonna come and start if he doesn't retire, but
I would. It's time to start looking for the not
not not just kind of the guy like Mason Rudolph
or kind of a guy. It's time to go. Like Haskins,
it's let's go get that guy, as Zach will in
a trade lance that we think is our next guy,
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and Pittsburgh is good at finding those guys. Speak about
the next guy. Can you get into the mind of
Andrew Luck? Do you think he comes back? You know,
I talked to his dad about a year and a
half ago, a little over a year ago, and he
was peaceful with his decision. And the only thing about
this sport at that position now I heay. I if
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somebody sits on here's a hundred bucks and here's the
odds and the underdog odds. If you're getting, you know,
a bunch of money, You're going a bunch of bucks
by betting two hundred bucks and a hundred bucks on
Andrew Luck coming back, and you're gonna get great odds.
I'd probably put it on there just for fun on
a future's bet. I could see that. But you know,
the longer you're removed from it, while you may be hungry,
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the more that the tougher effort is to get yourself
ready to play in the off seas. That's that's why
guys like when when when players retired like a Philip Rivers.
He can still throw for four thousand yards. The problem
is all that off season work you gotta put in
to try and stay ready, and it's the off seasons
that are tougher grinding in the season because then you
get to play in the competition. So I'm not ruling
out Luck because depending on how peaceful. If he's loving
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what he's doing, then he may he may not come
back if he finds, you know, solid peace in this
and he won't come back. But it was a bummer
because I think with that offensive line, we were just
starting to get a field for he was gonna have
the players that you drafted him for a good offensive line,
and you get Clinton Nelson and then you can build
it and you get Leonard on defense, and you start
to do this with a good front office guy. So
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I'm not ruling it out. What a wild card that
would be if he decided to come back, But he
seems like he beats too A little bit different drum
Mike Gutt would say if I was sitting there and
he had and I had to pick on and I'd
say that the guys, once he's walked away, is gonna
stay away. But I think that a lot of guys
in the city, you realize if you want to come back,
to do it sooner than later, because once you're four
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or five years out, I honestly what you may be
able to regain it. It's really hard. This is that's
a tough, especially if that position you gotta be all
in or rubble. And if he's only and Andrew Luck,
the Andrew Luck we saw before he left. I'll ask
this because Ben is an absolute homer, but getting Stafford,
getting getting Stafford, do you think that puts the Rams
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in that upper echelon that they can compete for a
Super Bowl. I'll betch you. I'll bet you that Stafford
is in the m v P Talk next year. I'll
bet you that that that McVeigh cuts him loose, meaning
they does all the things that Stafford was one were
able to do in the train because well they didn't
have any players at no time when he was there
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did he have. You know, some guys will get into
it and you're like, like, we say Pittsburgh, where they
could run it and they had receivers, they played defense,
they got the quarterback coaching staff. You're like, damn, this
is really cool. You know, one time he had Reggie
Bush to rush over a thousand ducks and he had
Megatroum but not a lot of other weapons. And then
he had you know that the defense is trying to
get better, but never dominant. He's never had a team
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where he walked in and said, all the best in
the division. Now the Rams may I'll be the best
in division cause us is there in a healthy forty
Niners team and kinda Murray. That's a brutal division. But
with McVeigh, they got three of the best players that
the top ten players who position. Donald's the best, Jalen
Ramsey's top three, and Stafford is still a top ten
guy because he can rip it. He's competitive, he's got
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high football skill set in i Q and rejuvenated man
to get back into that and knowing that you're the guy. Yeah,
And I don't know if he's gonna win Super Bowl,
but they did upgrade and that's no disrespected Garrett Doll.
Matt's hafter, just a better player. So this this is
we're just gonna be fun to watch, and I actually
believe you're gonna see him. He will not shock me
if he has his most peaceful season. But also his
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best season as a pro. And when you look at me,
I think you out of the York season, he's taped
full of forty had meaning ten picks, the tended twelve picks,
forty touchdowns and sixties five percent, sixty six percent completed
percentage and a QDR of you know, a hundred and
getting his team in the class. And once he gets in,
remember that year he had when he every single game
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he was bringing teams back. He's a dangerous weapon, an
assault from Allen and Mahomes. I don't think anybody in
the league throws it has the army has. I still
think in his early thirtie he's that guy. I think
this is a great upgrade. And Sean McVeigh said, if
we don't win drafts, but we don't want to, I
don't care about when the trades. They care about winning
super Bowls. And it may have been a different you know,
they may have been closer if Stafford was their quarterback then.
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And I think they learned a lot about Jared Goffer
in their mind when they got rid of him, because
they're probably not sure that he can handle the pressure
of a Super Bowl. I hope he can, and I
hope he succeeds because I root for him to Staffords
a better player. So, Sean, where are you at on
the draft picks? And I The main complaint against the
Rams is well, they have no first round picks. They're
gonna go seven years without a first round pick because
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of all the trades they made. I have no problem
with it because you can get players elsewhere in the draft.
Where do you fall on that conversation that you know
the Rams front office is to completely botch this because
they keep trading where a first round picks. Listen, Stafford
is better than the first one team pick the draft. Okay,
hey listen, I I like assets too. We get so
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caught up. Oh you've got a half picks? Did you
look at the list since like two thousand and four,
two thousand and six to two thousand and seven team,
do you know that there's only one quarterback one of
all the first rounders when we go to the I'm
kind of bat to book the boatload up. It's on
the same team he was on when he came into league.
It's hard to find these guys, man, and Stafford was
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one of those going to stay in. It's Carson Wentz
and Stafford's one of those guys and he just left,
so they're talking. It's hard. I can listen. I don't
care about six years from now. I always get that wall.
We're trying to build something for seven years from now.
By that prime McBey will be fired if they could
you know what saying I mean about thinking that. Listen
the Kansas City Chief salary captain thinking of either they're
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thinking we're gonna win and milk this while we can
and go get it. And you know what, they may
not have a first rounder for seven years. I guess
who you can do what up all of a sudden
two years Jalen Ramsey is all of a sudden thing,
well maybe just it's different. Wants out shift him for
a two seconds and then all of a sudden you
go trade that for first Listen, there's always maneuvering, just
like you can manipulate the salary cap. I'm not worried
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about what's going to happen, and honestly I'm not so
I want to win now and if it doesn't work,
we'll we group and do it again. The NFL, of
all the sports, you can turn this. You could be
two and four team one year, like the text four
and twelve, a player here six in play the game
and a quarterback and guess what go from four and twelve?
And it's get a little luck where you're not fumbling
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the ball to goal line against the Colts twice, and
now you're a mate. And then the next year in
the six back in the playoffs, so they well think
about it. In just a year and about two weeks
ago this team was twenty four and nothing in the
second corner over the Chiefs, and now look at him.
So it can go up and it can go down.
I I listen, I'd love assets, I'd love both, okay,
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But the truth for me is these people that get
so caught up in first round picks go up and
now listen, there's plenty a third round pick. Sure you'd
end up being better than the first round team. So
I can live without him if I think I'm a
super Bowl team now just giving them away and making
stupid trades and tan guys that are free agents that
are passed their best football, and then then you're just
an idiot. You won't be long for your job. But
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I don't have one ounce a problem of them giving
me too, getting given up a couple of first round
picks and another pick four Matt Stafford. If they think
and then and Stafford's got five years by that time,
they may have another first round of Matt staff for
the thirty six thirty that he's done and he had
his career, then go, you'll be time for another first
round pick. Okay, you trade handing, there's a way to
do it. I'm more interested in guys that can help
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me win over the next few years than I am
ten years from now. I could care less about that
unless you got am home turn Watson you're building as
a quarterback. I'm not worried about the first round pick
in he right now isn't about the sixth grade, So
I don't really care. Yeah, hey, Sean, we're up against it.
I appreciate it. Continued success with your show. Who are
you picking? On the Super Bowl? By the way, who
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you got? I got August? I took Tampa Bay if
I took Tampa Bay beat in Kansas City on my
show and preseason predictions in August, So every now and
I get something right, and that Brady is the MP.
T All got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty one dramatic
Brady wins another m v P and went another Super Bowl.
I'm going with Tampa Bay, all right, I'm going the
other way. I'm taking the Chiefs. Listen, Sean. Continued success,
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