February 26, 2021 • 41 mins
Why Russell Wilson listed the teams he would play for
Dak Prescott is asking for too much money
The Texans really mishandled the Deshaun Watson situation
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sorts drama. We love that live in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listened him. We're on Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio and
FS one. No drama quite like Superstar Quarterback drama. Joy
Taylor is joining me. I am here for all of it.
I love it. I root for chaos, and this is
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this is anarchy, no football anarchy. I love it. So
Pete Carroll seventy he doesn't want to rebuild, obviously, and
Russell Wilson, I can argue, still in his prime thirty two,
but a great thirty two. So we start with that. Rumors, rumors, rumors, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip,
And it came out yesterday that Russell Wilson said, I
don't want to be traded. But here's the four teams
i'd play for. And as I drove around yesterday humbly,
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as I always drive around Los Angeles, grateful for everything
I have in life, I listened to sports talk radio peeps.
Many of them had the same takeaway, which is, I
can't believe Russell Wilson named teams that already have quarterbacks.
And I just rolled my eyes. Oh, come on now,
Dak Prescott's employment isn't a Russell Wilson problem. Derek Carr
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getting his feelings hurt is not a Russell Wilson problem.
Dak was offered five years and one hundred twenty five
million dollars and he turned it down. Dak just happened
to play hardball with the Cowboys, and today he didn't
have much leverage because if I was Dallas, I'd go
get Russell Wilson and pay him less. Yes, it would
actually cost him less. Russell Wilson's agent put it on
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the table. All the chips pushed him out. We're going
public with it. We don't want to be traded, but
we'd be willing to go to these four teams that
we have a no trade clause. You can't trade us
to a crappy team. That's what agents are paid to do.
By the way, Seahawks for years played nice go Hawks.
Mark Rogers, who I know, played nice, unhappy with some
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things but didn't go public, but Pete Carroll ignored them.
So the old saying in Seattle for the last year
is let Russ Cook, Mark Rogers, Russell Wilson's agent is
changing the new mantra to put heat on Pete. Pete
Carroll ignored him. Pete Carroll's got a prehistoric offense. Pete's
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got too much power. Nobody's controlling Pete. He's got too
much saying everything no more. Let Ross Cook put heat
on Pete. Let's make it public. That's what an agent's
job is to do. I've had half a dozen agents.
We all played nice for a while, but if you
ignore us, we put heat on you. Russell Wilson played
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mister nice guy forever. Tom Brady played mister nice guy
in New England for twenty years. Twenty years mister nice guy.
In the end, they took advantage of him. I used
to criticize Andrew Luck while I was a huge fan
of I loved Andrew Luck, but I'm like, stop always
saying nice stuff. Your GM's incompetent, your coach is not
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good enough, your offensive line stinks. Put heat on management.
I've been doing this for thirty years. I have seen
management it often in college sports, in pro sports, in television,
in radio. Take advantage of nice guys. You can be
a nice guy. I'd prefer everybody's a nice guy. But
too often those guys get taken advantage of. Andrew Luck
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was taken advantage of. He's now retired. Russell Wilson was
taken advantage of. At the end, Tom Brady was taken
advantage of. So you leave the athlete nowhere to go,
Tom Brady, he finally went public with it. Deshawn's gone
public with it. It's Russell's gone public with it. It's
not his fault. If Dak Prescott overplayed his hand. So
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you know, I look at this this morning, I totally
won hundred percent support Russell Wilson. If it hurt Derek
Carr's feeling, so be it. If it hurt Dak's feeling,
so be it. I think Dak's overplayed his hand. I
think he's a good quarterback who wants a great salary.
I'd love to pay Dak somewhere between twenty eight five
and thirty one million. He wants thirty seven or thirty eight.
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That's Mahomes, Russell, Wilson, Aaron Rodgers category. So you know this,
I don't don't feel bad for all the other quarterbacks
in this league. Brady played nice, Andrew luck, Plade, Nice,
Russell Wilson, they played nice forever. They did it the
right way. But when people ignore you, and Belichick and
Pete Carroll start ignoring you, and the Houston dysfunctional Texans
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are ignoring Deshan, you leave the employee no other route.
It didn't have to get here, didn't have to be
there for Brady. Remember when Gizelle said in the documentary,
he just wants to go to work and be appreciated.
Can you imagine winning six Super Bowls and not feeling appreciated.
There was a time Joy and I were on the
air and Belichick had to give Brady a game ball.
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We had footage of it. It was uncomfortable. It was
uncomfortable Belichick having to acknowledge you were pretty good today. Tom.
It doesn't have to get here. It's here because of
Egomaniac's coaches. GMS and owners not respecting the star player.
All right, so it's very interesting. So four teams were
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mentioned by Russell Wilson and his agent, and those teams
are the Cowboys, the Bears of the Raiders, and the Saints.
And this is why the Cowboys is very interesting. Jerry
Jones is seventy eight years old. It is virtually impossible,
virtually impossible with a new NFL to win a Super
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Bowl with a very good or good quarterback making great money.
In fact, this morning I looked it up. The last
ten Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. They averaged about a nine
to a ten percent cap hit, meaning they only take
up about nine to ten percent of your cap. Brady
last year was high. Now he took a pay cut,
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he was almost fourteen. That's abnormally high. But in most
instances you look at it. Here, Russell Wilson won a title,
he was zero point four percent of the cap, Nick
Foles zero point nine. The average is about eight nine
ten percent. Dak with a franchise tag is twenty percent.
Russell Wilson goes to the Cowboys, he's less than eleven percent.
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So think about that. Jerry can get on the phone
at seventy eight he wants a Super Bowl. I get
a better quarterback for half the cap hit because Dallas
won't have to pay that thirteen million dollars a year
signing bonus. Don't have to pay it Dallas. Also, this
is interesting. Of all the teams that Russell Wilson mentioned,
Dallas has the highest draft pick the advantages. Of course,
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they could call Pete Carroll and say, okay, we'll give
you Dak. We'll give you the number ten pick. That's
just a starting point. So Dallas got that higher pick
in every round. Also, you don't have to deal with
this weird franchise tag Dak dilemma. Not only would you
pay Dak like thirty seven million this year, but if
you've tagged it again next year, you'd pay fifty million.
It'd be brutal. So, I mean, you get to this morning,
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You really get to a situation. And this is not
anti Dak, but it's almost a no brainer. It's almost
a no brainer. I don't get into franchise tag hell.
I get a better quarterback. I could say a more
marketable quarterback. He's better and he's cheaper. I mean, that's
one of those things. Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones. I
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mean you don't have to finish a coffee over it.
You don't even have to I mean you don't even
have to call each other on the way to work.
You can just text each other. Let's make a call.
So and I'm not anti Dak at all, but Dak,
I think we would all agree on this. Dak was
offered a five year deal over one hundred million dollars
to Heat and he has played his hand. His agent's
been very aggressive. They believe Dak is worth more. That's fine.
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I mean a lot of people in every business who
have agents, entertainment, music, sports, So whatever you play the hand,
you think you have a right to play it. I
think remember when Russell Wilson came out about a year
ago and there were rumors he wanted to go to
New York. He played his hand well. Seattle traded all
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these picks. They signed Russell. He had leverage. Dak's been
doing the same thing and I do believe Dak. I
said this on the air to Joy. I think Dak
had leverage a week ago. I absolutely do. Then this
story comes out now he's got no leverage. So that's
the downside to kind of playing in your hardball hand
playing your leverage because Dak had a ton of leverage
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until yesterday, and now it's like, oh, bro, you don't
have any leverage. I'm Jerry Jones. I make the call today.
The question is does Seattle like what Dallas can give them?
Do they like the number ten pick in several rounds
this year? So that's where we are this morning. Dallas
is fascinating. You've got a deal making owner with a
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quarterback dilemma he likes, doesn't love. You've got a very
good draft pick, or multiple draft picks to give the Seahawks.
Would Seattle move on it? It's something to think about.
Have Dak for a year, get the ten pick, do
what you gotta do. But it's interesting. This drama, by
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the way, is and I want to talk about this
coming up next, so listen. Obviously, it doesn't matter if
you have a baseball team or a football team or
an NBA team. If you're a general manager or an
executive or an owner, long enough, ten twenty thirty years,
you're going to have a are that wants out. It's
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just gonna happen, right, you know, even well run organizations,
somebody's not happy. I mean, Dodgers are great organization. Zac
Grinky a few years ago wanted big money and they're
just they weren't gonna pay him, so they left I mad.
It's the reality of it. So Houston is making The
Houston Texans are making the classic mistake. And I'm always
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amazed when there's a history of something that doesn't work,
because the smartest people in any business read a lot.
They're curious, they don't want to get burned when they
make the classic mistake. The Houston Texans with Deshaun Watson.
I don't know why. We have multiple examples of what
to do when a superstar wants out and what not
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So the Houston Texans are really mangling this not a
shock head. Coach David Culley got the word directly from
the source to Shaun Watson has no intention of playing
for the Texans. They met on Friday. Shaun Watson said,
I am playing for you, okay. So this is what
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happened in Houston with James Harden. James Harden didn't want
to play, and the Rockets pushback, pushback, and it goes
public and then you got no leverage. And in the end,
the Rockets now have lost nine straight. They're awful. James
Harden is crushing it, and the Rockets kept waiting and
waiting and waiting and got less. In the end, the
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longer the Texans wait and the more public it goes,
you're trapped. Remember free agency, We've already seen Stafford with
a new team and Carson Wentz with a new team.
Two or three more teams are going to get their
quarterback in free agency. Then five teams are going to
get their quarterback in the draft. So there's only gonna
be one or two teams that need a quarterback. And
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Deshaun Watson has the no trade clause so he can
dictate who and where he goes. So the rule in
sports has always been really simple. When a superstar wants
out make a deal before it goes public. I'll give
an example. Lu Al sinder Karem Abdul Jabbar was one
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of the great college basketball high school basketball player ever,
one of the great college basketball players. He goes to Milwaukee.
He doesn't want to stay, but he's smart. He realizes
I'm not gonna go public. He tells at a dinner
the Milwaukee organization. I do not want to be here.
They were able to make a deal with the Lakers
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and they got a haul. They It's one of the
only trades ever where a superstar was able in return
to get tons of picks and players back. I'll give it.
In another example, Paul George wanted out of the Indianapolis Pacers.
Remember that the Indiana Pacers, and he went public. Pacers
got two players. When he wanted out of Oklahoma City,
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he didn't make it public. Oklahoma City got five players
and a rising, young, promising star at point guard. So
if it doesn't go public, you have some leverage. You
can call two or three gms. Hey, I got this story,
and I got two teams hot year. One of them
let's go. And if they threatened to go public, you
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can just tell them I'm giving you one chance to
get him. I'm giving you one chance to get to
Seawan Watson. Well, I'm not hanging this phone call up.
I'm gonna give you five minutes. Sit down with your people,
make a decision. There's two teams that want him. You
put the pressure on the teams and the gms. But
once it goes public, the GMS that the other teams
put all the pressure on you. Why should we give
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anything up? He wants out. He's got a no trade clause.
So Houston is mangling this. Matt Stafford January twenty third,
said I'd like to move on. Seven days later, he's
a ram. What did the Lions get a starting quarterback
and a bunch of picks? They got a nice haul
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for it. The Lions got to I don't know if
they got the right coach. I don't think they do,
but they got a haul for it. Oklahoma City for
Paul George, got a haul for it. Lu all sending
or leaving Milwaukee, they got a hall for it. So,
I mean, this is what's amazing to me. There are
ways to do things when you own or run a team.
And listen, you never want to start to want to go.
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Of course you don't want. Now it's out there in public.
Every general manager picks the phone up with a smile
on their face. I don't know, Well, am I gonna
give you. There's only two teams left that need a quarterback.
We're one of them. He's got no trade clause. I mean,
can you imagine if all these teams make a move
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for a quarterback, and it's down to New England and
de Sean's like, y'all go to New England. And Belichick's
on the phone. He's like, everybody else got quarterback? What
are the only team left? He wants to come play
for us. I think Belichick is gonna give a goofy
kal McNairy. He's gonna give him an end table and
a cup of Starbucks. You're not gonna get maaming. So
the longer you wait, the more you get butchered. You
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gotta get on the phone and get this thing done before.
By the way, the way this thing's working out now,
we may have Russell Wilson on a new team in
two hours. We have Sam Darnold in the Bears in
three hours. You've gotta get going on this stuff. Joy
with the news, No, no, turn on the news. This
is the herd Line news. But a disaster. They really
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are there. I've heard a story this morning about cal McNair.
I may play it later. It's so embarrassing. I'm not
here too. It's just bad. You know, you think billionaire
smart person. Well, I mean I don't know what. I
don't want to go that. It's not smart. It's just
I think there is a there's just a level of
arrogance when it comes to these situations that shows every time.
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Sometimes it's just time to part and that's just that's it. Listen,
we all know this is a bad space for any team.
James Harden wants out of the rock. Hey, it stinks,
So you do get to the point in life. What's
the best we can do with this terrible situation. Yes,
if we're going vacation, I've gone with my kids. It
rains for three straight days. All right, what's the best
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we can do now with the rain? Let's go to
an aquarium. Let's go out to the Rainforest Cafe and
laugh at all the stuff in the cafe. You just
do the best you can with a lousy situation. He's
a love Rainforest Cafe. I love it. Eight lunched or
four days a week with my son, had every little
crevice of it memorized. So the recruitment of Russell Wilson
is already underway. After it was reported that he would
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only go to Dallas, New Orleans, Chicago or Las Vegas.
Bears running back to Riet Cohen, sweeted at Russell Wilson.
You called Bro. Receiver Cordarell Patterson post a picture of
the two of them, followed by a tweet at Russell Wilson,
what's good. Dog heard you were looking for a way out?
This is great? And then Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas
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also joined in and posted a picture on his Instagram
story of him with Russell Wilson at the Pro Bowl.
So all very sub Tarik Cohen, Well, maybe not so subtle,
but Tarik Cohen wins my Tweet of the Year award.
You called bro. That is fantastic. This is um, this
is the new wave, like this is this is what's
happening with stars and star quarterbacks and and for the record,
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joy social media. Yea. So now on a star quarterback
is unhappy, he doesn't have to go to a newspaper reporter.
He can go to his Instagram page with ten million
followers and say I'm very unhappy. So this this is
a new power element advantage player. Well, also, players make
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so much money away from the sport in endorsements and
advertisements and just investing in businesses that they have more
leverage now than before. I mean twenty thirty years ago.
This was you needed the money from not saying that.
These players don't need money obviously from their sport, but
they make so much away from it. It's like, look,
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Sean can say you're chilling, He'll be all right. Oh,
I am a huge believer. I'm a huge proponent. I
would because I said this, you know you hired the
wrong coach. When the first thing they say I'm at
him is I's a nice guy, David. I love nice people.
I adore nice people, right, I really have nice people
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around me in my personal life, right, nice honest people.
Though I don't like yes people. However, for work, you
don't have to be the nicest. I will. I will
take slightly more competent, slightly less nice, like you give
a terrible person. But like, if you're extremely competent and
like you know, we don't get tea in the afternoon,
I'll be all right. So let's say I was setting
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you up. I met a nice man and he said, oh,
I want to go out with joy And you said,
you ask, what's he like? Yes? And the first thing
I said was he is a nice guy. First thought is, well,
I only go out with nice guys. I don't go
out with their twitter No, But I mean if that's
I would prefer the first thing you said, say, he's
very smart, he's very funny, smart, funny and nice, and
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then nice. Yeah, it's like nice can't be the opener
red flag again, Like personally, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
you have to do some other elements. But yes, for
the business, I love. Why does better be competent? I
love my wife. Sometimes she's not that nice to me. Okay,
for example, let's flip it. I'm coming on the show,
right yeah, to fill this lot. And the first thing
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that I'm described as is nice. That's not what you
want to hear. No, I know, because I know when
I told them I wanted you. I said, yeah, she
knows her sports, she's done radio, she's really good talking.
And then at the very end, I didn't even I
didn't never even ask if you're nice? I actually not
that nice. I didn't even care. Was never one question.
So the Steelers are competent. They can restructure Ben Roethlisberger's
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contract to keep him with the team in twenty twenty one,
and even in what would be Ben's eighteenth season, team
owner Art Rooney believes they can win with him as
the starter. I don't this is crazy to me. So
Rooney said, we think that Ben play at a high level.
Last year we won our division instead a franchise record
for the most consecutive wins to open a season. I think,
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in part Been wants to come back and leave on
a high note. We're still confident he has the ability
to do that. His arm, I would say, is as
strong or almost as strong as ever, So I think
he's certainly capable of getting the job done. All right,
is it going to put some time into tape study
offseason commitment? This is what's upsetting about that statement. And look,
the Rooneys aren't incredible ownership, no question like amazing, no questions,
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one of the best in the league. Ye, but I
don't care about winning the division. I don't care about
eleven straight games. When has that become the standard in Pittsburgh,
that's the standard for Cincinnati. Yes, that's nonsense. I don't
care about that. We're not building on something in Pittsburgh.
That's not how you approached the season. So what does
that even mean? So what you won the division? Washington
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won the division? You think they feel good about where
they are right now? No, it means nothing. It means nothing.
I know, like, that's that's the first that's the first
goal as you should have every single year. The Matts
want to win the the Yankees have higher standards. I mean,
it's that's it's really disturbing that that is. If I
told if I met Aaron Rodgers out for coffee and
I said, I'm a soothsayer, I can see into the future,
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you're gonna win your division next year, Yeah, he would
laugh at you. I mean he'd be like, yeah, yeah,
but else else, Well, if it'll end after that, you
think he'd goalk away going oh, it's a great coffee.
He'd be like, You're like, oh, you don't get her again. No,
well he's gonna start laying some stage and changing the
mojo up because that is not the standard. It's nonsense.
So they have until March seventeenth, essentially to get this
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deal done or they're going to have to release him
because they have to figure out the money situation because
he has so much tied up in his contract, and
they've both parties have said they're going to restructure the money.
I don't know, it's very It's not that I expect
them to just cut Ben Roethlisberger, but I would just
like to hear that they have a plan for the future.
They absolutely need Listen, they don't need any help defensively.
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I mean they're fine there. They're good at receiver. They
could use a tight end. It's time to draft another quarterback,
right there's you forget that Jordan loved Aaron Rodgers thing.
They have to take with their first pick, if possible,
first or second, a quarterback. If you're gonna do this
one more years, that's what I want to hear. I
don't mind you running it back with Ben Roethlisberger one
more time, but let me know what the plan is
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for the future. But it sounds like is you're just
riding off with Ben into the sunset. And I know
Pittsburgh's a very loyal place, but like, this is business
and the standard is not a winning eleven games in
the regular season and winning the division. So the Nets
continue to roll. They won one ninety two over the
Magic last night. They have the longest winning streak in
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the league right now at eight it's the team's longest
since moving from New Jersey to Brooklyn and the sixth
longest en franchise history. They're also doing all of this
without Kevin Durant. Mostly without Kevin Durant, who has only
played one game during the stretch. He is in his
six games now and they are twenty two and twelve,
half a game behind the seventy six ers in the East.
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Kyrie a twenty seven, Harden at twenty, and Landry Schmidt
added nineteen points. I watched I've watched a ton of
NBA in the last four or five days. I watched
Philadelphia last night. Tobias Harris got hurt. They still hammered Dallas.
Philadelphia is playing well. Philadelphia is playing really well. I
watched a little of this game. So, uh, what's interesting
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about this team right now is that Harden and Kyrie
get to build a little mojo here without k D.
Because KD of the three is the easiest guy. He
works with everybody, right, Harden doesn't. Kyrie doesn't. So Kyrie
and Harden now are getting this thing all figured out,
and then you just insert Kevin. Kevin gets along with everybody.
Kevin can play with anybody. Yeah, and I have no
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concern about what he's gonna look like, because we saw
him that does coming back healthy, just needs it. These
two worry me. Durant doesn't worry me in this mix.
He'll He'll be fine. I still want to see what
they do in the postseason. We know what Kyrie can do,
we know what KD can do. I'm really more interested
in what Harden is going to do in the postseason.
But I mean, they just they look strong. Let's be honest,
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Harden doesn't have to play that exhausting game. So like
Harden now doesn't have to be his ball centric. This
is you're gonna get a different Harden in the postseason,
a much more refreshed Harden. I think, no, it's not.
It's not. They're not gonna need to rely on him.
And you're seeing now with with Kyrie and Harden, they're
able to do it without KYD. This is the benefit
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of having a big three. This is working way better
than I thought, way better than I thought I'd like.
I'd like the nets to come out of the East
before Harden got there. It is if you ever told
me that nine game winning street without KD like what work? Absolutely,
it's working. Joy with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the Herd line for the record.
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You see Zion last night? Oh my god, Zion is
just kidding Star. He's getting better, but the game, Ye
by the game. He will show you later his splits
for the month, like he's he's jumping twenty twenty five
percent is a player every month. There's a lot of
really exciting young players. I know. Like I I was
thinking about the other day, I'm like, God, what's going
to happen when Lebron eventually retire. Well, guys are so
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much like quarterbacks. There's so much better early. Lucas Luca
is a top five player, he's twenty, Zion's twenty. I mean, guys,
even Michael Jordan comes in, he's twenty two. He can score.
But these guys come, all these athletes in the world
now at nineteen twenty years old. There there's just so
much more access to information at a young age and
nutrition and better training. These young NBA guys Luca and
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Zion are on I mean, listen, neither plays a liquid defense,
but that's Lebron wasn't a great defender. Worried about them defending. Yeah,
I think they're still they're still young, they're still growing
into their bodies. Really can't sell merch on defense. Nobody's
buying it. Nobody's buying a jersey on defense, not anymore.
I used to like that Michael Jordan was a good defender. Yeah,
my Ben Wallace jersey I lost. Greg Jennings now joining us,
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brought to you by Mercedes. Ben's the best or nothing
ten years in the NFL seven with the Packers. So
I think you're a nice guy. You're look at you're
even look you'll dress like a professional. You're a nice guy.
But I think Brady was a nice guy forever. Russell
Wilson was Go Hawks forever. Andrew luck was too nice,
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and at some point I thought it was okay for
because I want to be a nice guy. But Brady,
at one point it's like, Okay, I'm gonna do documentary
and I'm gonna call some of your crap out. And
Russell Wilson two days ago went to his agent and said, Okay,
we keep saying go Hawks at the end of interview,
We're not doing that anymore. So, as a former athlete
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who was a nice guy, does party you love the
fact that stars are pushing back and going public. You
have to when you are in the position that these
guys are in, and in this twenty first century, with
social media having so much influence and you having so
much leverage, and you mentioned it earlier because of your platforms,
(27:55):
because of your own brand, you gotta use it. You
gotta capitalize on it, specifically at the quarterback position, because
they're the ones that are going to be the catalyst
when it comes to football of guys and players being
able to speak up and speak out and make these
requests and then demands of what they really want. So
(28:16):
four teams that Russ mentioned, Dallas, Chicago, Saints, and Raiders.
Was Greg was there one initially that you thought, Oh,
I'd like to see that, that'd be interesting for me.
It's it's always been about the Chicago Bears. I know
people are going to be like, what why, it doesn't
make sense, But the Chicago Bears, with that defense, and
(28:41):
with them already having quarterback issues Matt Naggie, Ryan Pace
the general manager, they're not trying to tie their hitch
to Mitchell Trubisky or Nick Foles, and so you know
that that's the situation where he can go in and
he can impact it right away. Now, obviously you would
have to continue to try to grab hold of what's
(29:01):
going on with Alan Robinson and get him back in
the fold and some other pieces. But that offensive line.
People look at that Chicago Bears offensive line and say, well,
they gave up a lot of sacks, but they had
a lot of revolving doors. They were switching a lot
of position, moving around a lot, playing a lot of
musical chairs. But when they're all healthy and they're all
(29:22):
set at their rightful positions, that's a pretty solid offensive
line that could support what Russell Wilson's asks has been
for the Seattle Seahawks. So I saw a story that
Brady is going to take another pay cut, and I
think to myself, I've thought about this before, like with
Lebron James. Lebron makes about sixty million dollars a year
(29:43):
in apparel and shoes. His net worth is nine hundred
and fifty million. He'll be a billionaire suit And I've
thought to myself, I mean, Lebron's totally committed. But the
difference between him and Brady is Brady's like, listen, I'm
gonna take half of what I could take. It's a
total commitment. Now, I know everybody said Gazelle's wretch. Yes,
And Lebron makes sixty five million a year on shoes,
(30:04):
and I look at Brady. Was there ever a moment
where you considered taking less or you thought taking less
for a pro athlete made sense? No, not for me,
not in my position, seriously, because I had I had
been in a position where I was a second round
drift bid came into green Bay and had to earn it,
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you know. And so once I started to earn it,
everyone around me was getting paid, and I had to
make sure that I was going to get my value
and get my work. And so when green Bay the
year I ended up getting signed with the Minnesota Vikings.
That was a business decision, not just financially, but even
for my family and being in a better situation for
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my wife and her business to thrive and all of
those things. So you equate all of these different variables
when you're making that type of a decision. But when
you've been in the league for twenty years and you've
made the amount of money that Tom Brady has made
off the field, and you are the celebrity, not just
(31:09):
a football star. He's a celebrity. When you are when
you get to that status, you're going to make up
off of the football field. And I heard Joy talking
about this. Guys make so much money off the field,
specifically at that position when you take advantage of it,
which is why I truly believe Dak wants to remain
in Dallas because he understands the prestige that comes with
(31:32):
the star. But yeah, they can afford to do that.
Not every player is willing to do that, especially when
you haven't made top dollar before, or you haven't been
in the elites of the elite class where you are
going to be offered and garnered and sought after. Excuse
me for so many other organizations, by the way, I
felt until yesterday, Dak had leverage. Jerry seventy eight, Jerry Jones,
(31:56):
he doesn't want quarterback chaos. They've got the tenth pick.
The good quarterbacks would probably be gone or they'd have
to use some draft capital to get up. I thought
Dak had leverage, and then Russell Wilson comes out and say,
I want to play for Dallas. He ain't got no
leverage because he's cheaper actually than what Dak wants. And
part of me feels bad, and part of me thinks, Dak,
(32:16):
they offered you a five year deal. Do you to
this morning? I look at Dak and I think, man,
you talk about losing leverage over a tweet, How did
that's what it felt like for me? What did it
feel like for you? Now, he definitely lost leverage, there's
no doubt, no question he lost leverage. However, it is
(32:37):
not as easy as people think it is to just
there's not The Seattle Seahawks are in this for making
the right decision for them now they one of the
first and foremost keep Russell Wilson. That doesn't appear to
the season be the case for Russell Wilson. Because you
put out these teams that you would like to or
you would be willing to go to. That's being smart,
(33:00):
that's using your savvy, your veteran savvy to say, you
know what, I know these teams are gonna start calling
and inquiring, so they'll apply the pressure that I don't
have to apply. And so when you look at Dallas, yes,
Dak is a higher marked player, but you're going to
have to give up more than just that. Seattle is
not just gonna say hey, we'll take that if you
(33:22):
give us Russell Wilson, or we'll give you Russell Wilson,
and you have less to pay Russell. No, it's not
gonna be that simple. They're gonna ask for a ton
in return because they know that they're getting the value
the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. Also, remember Seattle gave up so
many first round picks, two first rounders for Jamal Adams,
(33:43):
So Seattle would like to get first rounders back. Yeah,
so exactly. Yeah, so that that Seattle's listening, like, we
gave up a ton for Jamal Adams, whether he's worth
it or not. We love They're gonna ask for minimum
minimum three first round picks for Russell will and we
kind of know that. So Greg Jennings, Fox Sports, Ana,
let's have a great weekend, Bud. Thanks for coming on.
(34:05):
I appreciate it. Now. Now, a lot of people aren't
taking the Raiders seriously. But remember the advantage the Carolina
Panthers have going for to Shaun Watson. The biggest advantage
is David Tepper's the new owner and he's hyper aggressive.
So David Tepper's the kind of guy like he's like
he'll go down and just say mayor work, I'll make
the deal. That's an advantage. That's the disadvantage the Green
(34:26):
Bay Packers have. They don't have an owner right, So
the advantage the Raiders have with Russell Wilson, John Gruden
controls the franchise. If Gruden wants Russell Wilson, you can
give up whatever he wants to give up. Keep your
eye in the Raiders an interesting scenario for John Gruden.
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So we've been talking about this thing for two or
three or four years. That aggressive is now winning in sports.
(35:54):
Dodgers got aggressive with Mookie Betts. They won the World Series.
Tampa Bay got ridiculously aggressive Antonio Brown, Leonard, Fournette, Gronk,
they won the Super Bowl. The Nets got aggressive Brooklyn
now the best team in the East. Lakers got aggressive
with ad They I mean, it's to be honest. They
just shipped like seven guys out. And Raptors got aggressive
with Kawhi Leonard and they won. So aggressive more than
(36:17):
ever wins. So think about this with the Raiders and
Russell Wilson. So the first two quarterbacks John Gruden ever
dealt with, he was a forty nine Ers assistant. They
had Joe Montana. His next job, he was a Green
Bay Packer assistant. They had Brett Farve. Since then, here's
(36:38):
the quarterbacks he's dealt with, rich Gannon Brat Johnson, Jeff Garcia,
Brian Greasy, Derek Carr. By the way, capable people. He
has won fifty percent of his games. He is an
eight night football coach. That's what Gruden is today. So
John Gruden as is at a fork in the road
in his career right now. He's got seven years left
(37:00):
in his contract. He's not going to get fired. His
brand remained strong, but he's They're nine and seven now,
they have the worst defensive personnel in his division, and
it's time for a big boy swing. Okay, you cannot
win your division with the fourth best quarterback in your division.
(37:21):
They do not. They have the third best Derek Carr's
the third most talented quarterback in their division. They have
the fourth worst defense. So just say this out loud
for John Gruden. He's going to his fourth year with
the Raiders third best quarterback talent, and I like Derek Carr.
It just so happens. Mahomes and Justin Herbert are sensational,
transcendent arm talents. So he's got the fourth best defense
(37:44):
and the third best quarterback. Only four teams in the
AFC had fewer Pro bowlders than the Raiders last year,
So how do you catch up? Because they're up against
the cap. How do you catch him? Can't go to
free agency? Bay, you catch up with a phone call
and get Russell Wilson. That's how you catch up fast.
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Derek Carr goes to Seattle, which, by the way, doesn't
make any interceptions, doesn't throw picks, very safe, very smart.
Derek's a top twelve quarterback. You need about a top
twelve quarterback to win a Super Bowl. So Seattle still
gets Derek Carr, but Russell Wilson catches you up fast.
John is the only coach in football that's had three
(38:28):
straight non winning seasons and hasn't been fired. So he's
not getting fired. But if you look at his career now,
he's a five hundred coach. He's better on television than
he is coaching football at this point, that is what
he is. So to me, it's a real fork in
the road and the advantage Gruden has and Belichick has
this power too, and Pete Carroll. Here's the big advantage.
(38:49):
There's three coaches that can do whatever they want in
this league. Belichick, Pete Carroll, Gruden. Andy Reid cannot do
everything he wants. He's got a real owner and a
real GM. There are three coaches in this league that
have ultimate power. Belichick, Gruden, and Pete. Pete and Gruden
could pull this off. They both have the leverage to
(39:11):
pull it off. That's it. So two of the three
guys who have the powers of coach can make this
thing happen. Derek Carr, by the way, is a pretty
good fit in Seattle. Pretty good fit. So I mean, listen,
Gruden could get John Gruden out of the AFC so
he doesn't come back to burn him. And Pete could
(39:33):
get Russell Wilson out of the NFC so Russell doesn't
come back to burn him and keep him out of
Super Bowls. So the Raiders situation and what you don't
want to do is traded guys. This was when Garoppolo
got traded by New England. He sent him out West
to the NFC. So Garoppolo didn't end up beating Belichick
and you pay a price for it. So ultimately Seattle,
(39:53):
if they had the trade Ross, you want to get
him to the AFC. If I see him in a
Super Bowl, I can live with it. You don't want
to have And by the way, Gruden, same thing. You know,
Derek Carr, I'd rather him not come back, and because
he'd probably come back and play his best games. Against me.
If I'm Gruden, I'd rather get him over to the
NFC and put him in a tougher division. So you know,
Pete and Gruden have the power to pull this off,
(40:14):
whether whether they should have that power or not. But
I think if you look at Gruden right now, he
starts his career with Montana and Farv and I like
rich gannon I do. And I thought Jeff Garcia is
pretty darn talented. And I like Derek Carr. He's a
five hundred coach. He's a five hundred coach. And when
you look in that division, I got Patrick Mahomes twice
a year, and I got Justin Herbert twice a year,
(40:34):
and I got a lousy defense. The only way to
catch up is a superstar quarterback. That's it. That's you
know I'm gonna do a pass rusher. You know I'm
gonna do it a running back already got a great
running back. So very interesting. These are interesting times. Drama
is our friend coming up next hour. Zion Williamson is
(40:57):
literally getting better by the game. It is incredib remember
all the critics, it's all the cast shoe mid range game. Listen,
he looked like Charles Barkley. If from the new rule
on the show, if you see a nineteen year old
and then you're like, oh, he plays like Charles Barkley,
he's gonna be good. Charles Barkley was good. He's gonna
(41:20):
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sorts drama. We love that live in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listened him. We're on Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio and
FS one. No drama quite like Superstar Quarterback drama. Joy
Taylor is joining me. I am here for all of it.
I love it. I root for chaos, and this is
(00:46):
this is anarchy, no football anarchy. I love it. So
Pete Carroll seventy he doesn't want to rebuild, obviously, and
Russell Wilson, I can argue, still in his prime thirty two,
but a great thirty two. So we start with that. Rumors, rumors, rumors, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip,
And it came out yesterday that Russell Wilson said, I
don't want to be traded. But here's the four teams
i'd play for. And as I drove around yesterday humbly,
(01:10):
as I always drive around Los Angeles, grateful for everything
I have in life, I listened to sports talk radio peeps.
Many of them had the same takeaway, which is, I
can't believe Russell Wilson named teams that already have quarterbacks.
And I just rolled my eyes. Oh, come on now,
Dak Prescott's employment isn't a Russell Wilson problem. Derek Carr
(01:35):
getting his feelings hurt is not a Russell Wilson problem.
Dak was offered five years and one hundred twenty five
million dollars and he turned it down. Dak just happened
to play hardball with the Cowboys, and today he didn't
have much leverage because if I was Dallas, I'd go
get Russell Wilson and pay him less. Yes, it would
actually cost him less. Russell Wilson's agent put it on
(01:59):
the table. All the chips pushed him out. We're going
public with it. We don't want to be traded, but
we'd be willing to go to these four teams that
we have a no trade clause. You can't trade us
to a crappy team. That's what agents are paid to do.
By the way, Seahawks for years played nice go Hawks.
Mark Rogers, who I know, played nice, unhappy with some
(02:22):
things but didn't go public, but Pete Carroll ignored them.
So the old saying in Seattle for the last year
is let Russ Cook, Mark Rogers, Russell Wilson's agent is
changing the new mantra to put heat on Pete. Pete
Carroll ignored him. Pete Carroll's got a prehistoric offense. Pete's
(02:45):
got too much power. Nobody's controlling Pete. He's got too
much saying everything no more. Let Ross Cook put heat
on Pete. Let's make it public. That's what an agent's
job is to do. I've had half a dozen agents.
We all played nice for a while, but if you
ignore us, we put heat on you. Russell Wilson played
(03:06):
mister nice guy forever. Tom Brady played mister nice guy
in New England for twenty years. Twenty years mister nice guy.
In the end, they took advantage of him. I used
to criticize Andrew Luck while I was a huge fan
of I loved Andrew Luck, but I'm like, stop always
saying nice stuff. Your GM's incompetent, your coach is not
(03:27):
good enough, your offensive line stinks. Put heat on management.
I've been doing this for thirty years. I have seen
management it often in college sports, in pro sports, in television,
in radio. Take advantage of nice guys. You can be
a nice guy. I'd prefer everybody's a nice guy. But
too often those guys get taken advantage of. Andrew Luck
(03:49):
was taken advantage of. He's now retired. Russell Wilson was
taken advantage of. At the end, Tom Brady was taken
advantage of. So you leave the athlete nowhere to go,
Tom Brady, he finally went public with it. Deshawn's gone
public with it. It's Russell's gone public with it. It's
not his fault. If Dak Prescott overplayed his hand. So
(04:11):
you know, I look at this this morning, I totally
won hundred percent support Russell Wilson. If it hurt Derek
Carr's feeling, so be it. If it hurt Dak's feeling,
so be it. I think Dak's overplayed his hand. I
think he's a good quarterback who wants a great salary.
I'd love to pay Dak somewhere between twenty eight five
and thirty one million. He wants thirty seven or thirty eight.
(04:32):
That's Mahomes, Russell, Wilson, Aaron Rodgers category. So you know this,
I don't don't feel bad for all the other quarterbacks
in this league. Brady played nice, Andrew luck, Plade, Nice,
Russell Wilson, they played nice forever. They did it the
right way. But when people ignore you, and Belichick and
Pete Carroll start ignoring you, and the Houston dysfunctional Texans
(04:56):
are ignoring Deshan, you leave the employee no other route.
It didn't have to get here, didn't have to be
there for Brady. Remember when Gizelle said in the documentary,
he just wants to go to work and be appreciated.
Can you imagine winning six Super Bowls and not feeling appreciated.
There was a time Joy and I were on the
air and Belichick had to give Brady a game ball.
(05:18):
We had footage of it. It was uncomfortable. It was
uncomfortable Belichick having to acknowledge you were pretty good today. Tom.
It doesn't have to get here. It's here because of
Egomaniac's coaches. GMS and owners not respecting the star player.
All right, so it's very interesting. So four teams were
(05:38):
mentioned by Russell Wilson and his agent, and those teams
are the Cowboys, the Bears of the Raiders, and the Saints.
And this is why the Cowboys is very interesting. Jerry
Jones is seventy eight years old. It is virtually impossible,
virtually impossible with a new NFL to win a Super
(06:00):
Bowl with a very good or good quarterback making great money.
In fact, this morning I looked it up. The last
ten Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. They averaged about a nine
to a ten percent cap hit, meaning they only take
up about nine to ten percent of your cap. Brady
last year was high. Now he took a pay cut,
(06:20):
he was almost fourteen. That's abnormally high. But in most
instances you look at it. Here, Russell Wilson won a title,
he was zero point four percent of the cap, Nick
Foles zero point nine. The average is about eight nine
ten percent. Dak with a franchise tag is twenty percent.
Russell Wilson goes to the Cowboys, he's less than eleven percent.
(06:45):
So think about that. Jerry can get on the phone
at seventy eight he wants a Super Bowl. I get
a better quarterback for half the cap hit because Dallas
won't have to pay that thirteen million dollars a year
signing bonus. Don't have to pay it Dallas. Also, this
is interesting. Of all the teams that Russell Wilson mentioned,
Dallas has the highest draft pick the advantages. Of course,
(07:06):
they could call Pete Carroll and say, okay, we'll give
you Dak. We'll give you the number ten pick. That's
just a starting point. So Dallas got that higher pick
in every round. Also, you don't have to deal with
this weird franchise tag Dak dilemma. Not only would you
pay Dak like thirty seven million this year, but if
you've tagged it again next year, you'd pay fifty million.
It'd be brutal. So, I mean, you get to this morning,
(07:30):
You really get to a situation. And this is not
anti Dak, but it's almost a no brainer. It's almost
a no brainer. I don't get into franchise tag hell.
I get a better quarterback. I could say a more
marketable quarterback. He's better and he's cheaper. I mean, that's
one of those things. Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones. I
(07:53):
mean you don't have to finish a coffee over it.
You don't even have to I mean you don't even
have to call each other on the way to work.
You can just text each other. Let's make a call.
So and I'm not anti Dak at all, but Dak,
I think we would all agree on this. Dak was
offered a five year deal over one hundred million dollars
to Heat and he has played his hand. His agent's
been very aggressive. They believe Dak is worth more. That's fine.
(08:15):
I mean a lot of people in every business who
have agents, entertainment, music, sports, So whatever you play the hand,
you think you have a right to play it. I
think remember when Russell Wilson came out about a year
ago and there were rumors he wanted to go to
New York. He played his hand well. Seattle traded all
(08:36):
these picks. They signed Russell. He had leverage. Dak's been
doing the same thing and I do believe Dak. I
said this on the air to Joy. I think Dak
had leverage a week ago. I absolutely do. Then this
story comes out now he's got no leverage. So that's
the downside to kind of playing in your hardball hand
playing your leverage because Dak had a ton of leverage
(08:56):
until yesterday, and now it's like, oh, bro, you don't
have any leverage. I'm Jerry Jones. I make the call today.
The question is does Seattle like what Dallas can give them?
Do they like the number ten pick in several rounds
this year? So that's where we are this morning. Dallas
is fascinating. You've got a deal making owner with a
(09:20):
quarterback dilemma he likes, doesn't love. You've got a very
good draft pick, or multiple draft picks to give the Seahawks.
Would Seattle move on it? It's something to think about.
Have Dak for a year, get the ten pick, do
what you gotta do. But it's interesting. This drama, by
(09:40):
the way, is and I want to talk about this
coming up next, so listen. Obviously, it doesn't matter if
you have a baseball team or a football team or
an NBA team. If you're a general manager or an
executive or an owner, long enough, ten twenty thirty years,
you're going to have a are that wants out. It's
(10:01):
just gonna happen, right, you know, even well run organizations,
somebody's not happy. I mean, Dodgers are great organization. Zac
Grinky a few years ago wanted big money and they're
just they weren't gonna pay him, so they left I mad.
It's the reality of it. So Houston is making The
Houston Texans are making the classic mistake. And I'm always
(10:22):
amazed when there's a history of something that doesn't work,
because the smartest people in any business read a lot.
They're curious, they don't want to get burned when they
make the classic mistake. The Houston Texans with Deshaun Watson.
I don't know why. We have multiple examples of what
to do when a superstar wants out and what not
(10:43):
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So the Houston Texans are really mangling this not a
shock head. Coach David Culley got the word directly from
the source to Shaun Watson has no intention of playing
for the Texans. They met on Friday. Shaun Watson said,
I am playing for you, okay. So this is what
(12:12):
happened in Houston with James Harden. James Harden didn't want
to play, and the Rockets pushback, pushback, and it goes
public and then you got no leverage. And in the end,
the Rockets now have lost nine straight. They're awful. James
Harden is crushing it, and the Rockets kept waiting and
waiting and waiting and got less. In the end, the
(12:33):
longer the Texans wait and the more public it goes,
you're trapped. Remember free agency, We've already seen Stafford with
a new team and Carson Wentz with a new team.
Two or three more teams are going to get their
quarterback in free agency. Then five teams are going to
get their quarterback in the draft. So there's only gonna
be one or two teams that need a quarterback. And
(12:53):
Deshaun Watson has the no trade clause so he can
dictate who and where he goes. So the rule in
sports has always been really simple. When a superstar wants
out make a deal before it goes public. I'll give
an example. Lu Al sinder Karem Abdul Jabbar was one
(13:15):
of the great college basketball high school basketball player ever,
one of the great college basketball players. He goes to Milwaukee.
He doesn't want to stay, but he's smart. He realizes
I'm not gonna go public. He tells at a dinner
the Milwaukee organization. I do not want to be here.
They were able to make a deal with the Lakers
(13:36):
and they got a haul. They It's one of the
only trades ever where a superstar was able in return
to get tons of picks and players back. I'll give it.
In another example, Paul George wanted out of the Indianapolis Pacers.
Remember that the Indiana Pacers, and he went public. Pacers
got two players. When he wanted out of Oklahoma City,
(13:57):
he didn't make it public. Oklahoma City got five players
and a rising, young, promising star at point guard. So
if it doesn't go public, you have some leverage. You
can call two or three gms. Hey, I got this story,
and I got two teams hot year. One of them
let's go. And if they threatened to go public, you
(14:18):
can just tell them I'm giving you one chance to
get him. I'm giving you one chance to get to
Seawan Watson. Well, I'm not hanging this phone call up.
I'm gonna give you five minutes. Sit down with your people,
make a decision. There's two teams that want him. You
put the pressure on the teams and the gms. But
once it goes public, the GMS that the other teams
put all the pressure on you. Why should we give
(14:39):
anything up? He wants out. He's got a no trade clause.
So Houston is mangling this. Matt Stafford January twenty third,
said I'd like to move on. Seven days later, he's
a ram. What did the Lions get a starting quarterback
and a bunch of picks? They got a nice haul
(14:59):
for it. The Lions got to I don't know if
they got the right coach. I don't think they do,
but they got a haul for it. Oklahoma City for
Paul George, got a haul for it. Lu all sending
or leaving Milwaukee, they got a hall for it. So,
I mean, this is what's amazing to me. There are
ways to do things when you own or run a team.
And listen, you never want to start to want to go.
(15:19):
Of course you don't want. Now it's out there in public.
Every general manager picks the phone up with a smile
on their face. I don't know, Well, am I gonna
give you. There's only two teams left that need a quarterback.
We're one of them. He's got no trade clause. I mean,
can you imagine if all these teams make a move
(15:40):
for a quarterback, and it's down to New England and
de Sean's like, y'all go to New England. And Belichick's
on the phone. He's like, everybody else got quarterback? What
are the only team left? He wants to come play
for us. I think Belichick is gonna give a goofy
kal McNairy. He's gonna give him an end table and
a cup of Starbucks. You're not gonna get maaming. So
the longer you wait, the more you get butchered. You
(16:02):
gotta get on the phone and get this thing done before.
By the way, the way this thing's working out now,
we may have Russell Wilson on a new team in
two hours. We have Sam Darnold in the Bears in
three hours. You've gotta get going on this stuff. Joy
with the news, No, no, turn on the news. This
is the herd Line news. But a disaster. They really
(16:23):
are there. I've heard a story this morning about cal McNair.
I may play it later. It's so embarrassing. I'm not
here too. It's just bad. You know, you think billionaire
smart person. Well, I mean I don't know what. I
don't want to go that. It's not smart. It's just
I think there is a there's just a level of
arrogance when it comes to these situations that shows every time.
(16:47):
Sometimes it's just time to part and that's just that's it. Listen,
we all know this is a bad space for any team.
James Harden wants out of the rock. Hey, it stinks,
So you do get to the point in life. What's
the best we can do with this terrible situation. Yes,
if we're going vacation, I've gone with my kids. It
rains for three straight days. All right, what's the best
(17:09):
we can do now with the rain? Let's go to
an aquarium. Let's go out to the Rainforest Cafe and
laugh at all the stuff in the cafe. You just
do the best you can with a lousy situation. He's
a love Rainforest Cafe. I love it. Eight lunched or
four days a week with my son, had every little
crevice of it memorized. So the recruitment of Russell Wilson
is already underway. After it was reported that he would
(17:31):
only go to Dallas, New Orleans, Chicago or Las Vegas.
Bears running back to Riet Cohen, sweeted at Russell Wilson.
You called Bro. Receiver Cordarell Patterson post a picture of
the two of them, followed by a tweet at Russell Wilson,
what's good. Dog heard you were looking for a way out?
This is great? And then Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas
(17:53):
also joined in and posted a picture on his Instagram
story of him with Russell Wilson at the Pro Bowl.
So all very sub Tarik Cohen, Well, maybe not so subtle,
but Tarik Cohen wins my Tweet of the Year award.
You called bro. That is fantastic. This is um, this
is the new wave, like this is this is what's
happening with stars and star quarterbacks and and for the record,
(18:16):
joy social media. Yea. So now on a star quarterback
is unhappy, he doesn't have to go to a newspaper reporter.
He can go to his Instagram page with ten million
followers and say I'm very unhappy. So this this is
a new power element advantage player. Well, also, players make
(18:37):
so much money away from the sport in endorsements and
advertisements and just investing in businesses that they have more
leverage now than before. I mean twenty thirty years ago.
This was you needed the money from not saying that.
These players don't need money obviously from their sport, but
they make so much away from it. It's like, look,
(18:59):
Sean can say you're chilling, He'll be all right. Oh,
I am a huge believer. I'm a huge proponent. I
would because I said this, you know you hired the
wrong coach. When the first thing they say I'm at
him is I's a nice guy, David. I love nice people.
I adore nice people, right, I really have nice people
(19:19):
around me in my personal life, right, nice honest people.
Though I don't like yes people. However, for work, you
don't have to be the nicest. I will. I will
take slightly more competent, slightly less nice, like you give
a terrible person. But like, if you're extremely competent and
like you know, we don't get tea in the afternoon,
I'll be all right. So let's say I was setting
(19:42):
you up. I met a nice man and he said, oh,
I want to go out with joy And you said,
you ask, what's he like? Yes? And the first thing
I said was he is a nice guy. First thought is, well,
I only go out with nice guys. I don't go
out with their twitter No, But I mean if that's
I would prefer the first thing you said, say, he's
very smart, he's very funny, smart, funny and nice, and
(20:03):
then nice. Yeah, it's like nice can't be the opener
red flag again, Like personally, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
you have to do some other elements. But yes, for
the business, I love. Why does better be competent? I
love my wife. Sometimes she's not that nice to me. Okay,
for example, let's flip it. I'm coming on the show,
right yeah, to fill this lot. And the first thing
(20:24):
that I'm described as is nice. That's not what you
want to hear. No, I know, because I know when
I told them I wanted you. I said, yeah, she
knows her sports, she's done radio, she's really good talking.
And then at the very end, I didn't even I
didn't never even ask if you're nice? I actually not
that nice. I didn't even care. Was never one question.
So the Steelers are competent. They can restructure Ben Roethlisberger's
(20:44):
contract to keep him with the team in twenty twenty one,
and even in what would be Ben's eighteenth season, team
owner Art Rooney believes they can win with him as
the starter. I don't this is crazy to me. So
Rooney said, we think that Ben play at a high level.
Last year we won our division instead a franchise record
for the most consecutive wins to open a season. I think,
(21:06):
in part Been wants to come back and leave on
a high note. We're still confident he has the ability
to do that. His arm, I would say, is as
strong or almost as strong as ever, So I think
he's certainly capable of getting the job done. All right,
is it going to put some time into tape study
offseason commitment? This is what's upsetting about that statement. And look,
the Rooneys aren't incredible ownership, no question like amazing, no questions,
(21:26):
one of the best in the league. Ye, but I
don't care about winning the division. I don't care about
eleven straight games. When has that become the standard in Pittsburgh,
that's the standard for Cincinnati. Yes, that's nonsense. I don't
care about that. We're not building on something in Pittsburgh.
That's not how you approached the season. So what does
that even mean? So what you won the division? Washington
(21:49):
won the division? You think they feel good about where
they are right now? No, it means nothing. It means nothing.
I know, like, that's that's the first that's the first
goal as you should have every single year. The Matts
want to win the the Yankees have higher standards. I mean,
it's that's it's really disturbing that that is. If I
told if I met Aaron Rodgers out for coffee and
I said, I'm a soothsayer, I can see into the future,
(22:11):
you're gonna win your division next year, Yeah, he would
laugh at you. I mean he'd be like, yeah, yeah,
but else else, Well, if it'll end after that, you
think he'd goalk away going oh, it's a great coffee.
He'd be like, You're like, oh, you don't get her again. No,
well he's gonna start laying some stage and changing the
mojo up because that is not the standard. It's nonsense.
So they have until March seventeenth, essentially to get this
(22:33):
deal done or they're going to have to release him
because they have to figure out the money situation because
he has so much tied up in his contract, and
they've both parties have said they're going to restructure the money.
I don't know, it's very It's not that I expect
them to just cut Ben Roethlisberger, but I would just
like to hear that they have a plan for the future.
They absolutely need Listen, they don't need any help defensively.
(22:54):
I mean they're fine there. They're good at receiver. They
could use a tight end. It's time to draft another quarterback,
right there's you forget that Jordan loved Aaron Rodgers thing.
They have to take with their first pick, if possible,
first or second, a quarterback. If you're gonna do this
one more years, that's what I want to hear. I
don't mind you running it back with Ben Roethlisberger one
more time, but let me know what the plan is
(23:15):
for the future. But it sounds like is you're just
riding off with Ben into the sunset. And I know
Pittsburgh's a very loyal place, but like, this is business
and the standard is not a winning eleven games in
the regular season and winning the division. So the Nets
continue to roll. They won one ninety two over the
Magic last night. They have the longest winning streak in
(23:36):
the league right now at eight it's the team's longest
since moving from New Jersey to Brooklyn and the sixth
longest en franchise history. They're also doing all of this
without Kevin Durant. Mostly without Kevin Durant, who has only
played one game during the stretch. He is in his
six games now and they are twenty two and twelve,
half a game behind the seventy six ers in the East.
(23:56):
Kyrie a twenty seven, Harden at twenty, and Landry Schmidt
added nineteen points. I watched I've watched a ton of
NBA in the last four or five days. I watched
Philadelphia last night. Tobias Harris got hurt. They still hammered Dallas.
Philadelphia is playing well. Philadelphia is playing really well. I
watched a little of this game. So, uh, what's interesting
(24:16):
about this team right now is that Harden and Kyrie
get to build a little mojo here without k D.
Because KD of the three is the easiest guy. He
works with everybody, right, Harden doesn't. Kyrie doesn't. So Kyrie
and Harden now are getting this thing all figured out,
and then you just insert Kevin. Kevin gets along with everybody.
Kevin can play with anybody. Yeah, and I have no
(24:37):
concern about what he's gonna look like, because we saw
him that does coming back healthy, just needs it. These
two worry me. Durant doesn't worry me in this mix.
He'll He'll be fine. I still want to see what
they do in the postseason. We know what Kyrie can do,
we know what KD can do. I'm really more interested
in what Harden is going to do in the postseason.
But I mean, they just they look strong. Let's be honest,
(24:59):
Harden doesn't have to play that exhausting game. So like
Harden now doesn't have to be his ball centric. This
is you're gonna get a different Harden in the postseason,
a much more refreshed Harden. I think, no, it's not.
It's not. They're not gonna need to rely on him.
And you're seeing now with with Kyrie and Harden, they're
able to do it without KYD. This is the benefit
(25:20):
of having a big three. This is working way better
than I thought, way better than I thought I'd like.
I'd like the nets to come out of the East
before Harden got there. It is if you ever told
me that nine game winning street without KD like what work? Absolutely,
it's working. Joy with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the Herd line for the record.
(25:42):
You see Zion last night? Oh my god, Zion is
just kidding Star. He's getting better, but the game, Ye
by the game. He will show you later his splits
for the month, like he's he's jumping twenty twenty five
percent is a player every month. There's a lot of
really exciting young players. I know. Like I I was
thinking about the other day, I'm like, God, what's going
to happen when Lebron eventually retire. Well, guys are so
(26:05):
much like quarterbacks. There's so much better early. Lucas Luca
is a top five player, he's twenty, Zion's twenty. I mean, guys,
even Michael Jordan comes in, he's twenty two. He can score.
But these guys come, all these athletes in the world
now at nineteen twenty years old. There there's just so
much more access to information at a young age and
nutrition and better training. These young NBA guys Luca and
(26:29):
Zion are on I mean, listen, neither plays a liquid defense,
but that's Lebron wasn't a great defender. Worried about them defending. Yeah,
I think they're still they're still young, they're still growing
into their bodies. Really can't sell merch on defense. Nobody's
buying it. Nobody's buying a jersey on defense, not anymore.
I used to like that Michael Jordan was a good defender. Yeah,
my Ben Wallace jersey I lost. Greg Jennings now joining us,
(26:50):
brought to you by Mercedes. Ben's the best or nothing
ten years in the NFL seven with the Packers. So
I think you're a nice guy. You're look at you're
even look you'll dress like a professional. You're a nice guy.
But I think Brady was a nice guy forever. Russell
Wilson was Go Hawks forever. Andrew luck was too nice,
(27:11):
and at some point I thought it was okay for
because I want to be a nice guy. But Brady,
at one point it's like, Okay, I'm gonna do documentary
and I'm gonna call some of your crap out. And
Russell Wilson two days ago went to his agent and said, Okay,
we keep saying go Hawks at the end of interview,
We're not doing that anymore. So, as a former athlete
(27:32):
who was a nice guy, does party you love the
fact that stars are pushing back and going public. You
have to when you are in the position that these
guys are in, and in this twenty first century, with
social media having so much influence and you having so
much leverage, and you mentioned it earlier because of your platforms,
(27:55):
because of your own brand, you gotta use it. You
gotta capitalize on it, specifically at the quarterback position, because
they're the ones that are going to be the catalyst
when it comes to football of guys and players being
able to speak up and speak out and make these
requests and then demands of what they really want. So
(28:16):
four teams that Russ mentioned, Dallas, Chicago, Saints, and Raiders.
Was Greg was there one initially that you thought, Oh,
I'd like to see that, that'd be interesting for me.
It's it's always been about the Chicago Bears. I know
people are going to be like, what why, it doesn't
make sense, But the Chicago Bears, with that defense, and
(28:41):
with them already having quarterback issues Matt Naggie, Ryan Pace
the general manager, they're not trying to tie their hitch
to Mitchell Trubisky or Nick Foles, and so you know
that that's the situation where he can go in and
he can impact it right away. Now, obviously you would
have to continue to try to grab hold of what's
(29:01):
going on with Alan Robinson and get him back in
the fold and some other pieces. But that offensive line.
People look at that Chicago Bears offensive line and say, well,
they gave up a lot of sacks, but they had
a lot of revolving doors. They were switching a lot
of position, moving around a lot, playing a lot of
musical chairs. But when they're all healthy and they're all
(29:22):
set at their rightful positions, that's a pretty solid offensive
line that could support what Russell Wilson's asks has been
for the Seattle Seahawks. So I saw a story that
Brady is going to take another pay cut, and I
think to myself, I've thought about this before, like with
Lebron James. Lebron makes about sixty million dollars a year
(29:43):
in apparel and shoes. His net worth is nine hundred
and fifty million. He'll be a billionaire suit And I've
thought to myself, I mean, Lebron's totally committed. But the
difference between him and Brady is Brady's like, listen, I'm
gonna take half of what I could take. It's a
total commitment. Now, I know everybody said Gazelle's wretch. Yes,
And Lebron makes sixty five million a year on shoes,
(30:04):
and I look at Brady. Was there ever a moment
where you considered taking less or you thought taking less
for a pro athlete made sense? No, not for me,
not in my position, seriously, because I had I had
been in a position where I was a second round
drift bid came into green Bay and had to earn it,
(30:26):
you know. And so once I started to earn it,
everyone around me was getting paid, and I had to
make sure that I was going to get my value
and get my work. And so when green Bay the
year I ended up getting signed with the Minnesota Vikings.
That was a business decision, not just financially, but even
for my family and being in a better situation for
(30:48):
my wife and her business to thrive and all of
those things. So you equate all of these different variables
when you're making that type of a decision. But when
you've been in the league for twenty years and you've
made the amount of money that Tom Brady has made
off the field, and you are the celebrity, not just
(31:09):
a football star. He's a celebrity. When you are when
you get to that status, you're going to make up
off of the football field. And I heard Joy talking
about this. Guys make so much money off the field,
specifically at that position when you take advantage of it,
which is why I truly believe Dak wants to remain
in Dallas because he understands the prestige that comes with
(31:32):
the star. But yeah, they can afford to do that.
Not every player is willing to do that, especially when
you haven't made top dollar before, or you haven't been
in the elites of the elite class where you are
going to be offered and garnered and sought after. Excuse
me for so many other organizations, by the way, I
felt until yesterday, Dak had leverage. Jerry seventy eight, Jerry Jones,
(31:56):
he doesn't want quarterback chaos. They've got the tenth pick.
The good quarterbacks would probably be gone or they'd have
to use some draft capital to get up. I thought
Dak had leverage, and then Russell Wilson comes out and say,
I want to play for Dallas. He ain't got no
leverage because he's cheaper actually than what Dak wants. And
part of me feels bad, and part of me thinks, Dak,
(32:16):
they offered you a five year deal. Do you to
this morning? I look at Dak and I think, man,
you talk about losing leverage over a tweet, How did
that's what it felt like for me? What did it
feel like for you? Now, he definitely lost leverage, there's
no doubt, no question he lost leverage. However, it is
(32:37):
not as easy as people think it is to just
there's not The Seattle Seahawks are in this for making
the right decision for them now they one of the
first and foremost keep Russell Wilson. That doesn't appear to
the season be the case for Russell Wilson. Because you
put out these teams that you would like to or
you would be willing to go to. That's being smart,
(33:00):
that's using your savvy, your veteran savvy to say, you
know what, I know these teams are gonna start calling
and inquiring, so they'll apply the pressure that I don't
have to apply. And so when you look at Dallas, yes,
Dak is a higher marked player, but you're going to
have to give up more than just that. Seattle is
not just gonna say hey, we'll take that if you
(33:22):
give us Russell Wilson, or we'll give you Russell Wilson,
and you have less to pay Russell. No, it's not
gonna be that simple. They're gonna ask for a ton
in return because they know that they're getting the value
the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. Also, remember Seattle gave up so
many first round picks, two first rounders for Jamal Adams,
(33:43):
So Seattle would like to get first rounders back. Yeah,
so exactly. Yeah, so that that Seattle's listening, like, we
gave up a ton for Jamal Adams, whether he's worth
it or not. We love They're gonna ask for minimum
minimum three first round picks for Russell will and we
kind of know that. So Greg Jennings, Fox Sports, Ana,
let's have a great weekend, Bud. Thanks for coming on.
(34:05):
I appreciate it. Now. Now, a lot of people aren't
taking the Raiders seriously. But remember the advantage the Carolina
Panthers have going for to Shaun Watson. The biggest advantage
is David Tepper's the new owner and he's hyper aggressive.
So David Tepper's the kind of guy like he's like
he'll go down and just say mayor work, I'll make
the deal. That's an advantage. That's the disadvantage the Green
(34:26):
Bay Packers have. They don't have an owner right, So
the advantage the Raiders have with Russell Wilson, John Gruden
controls the franchise. If Gruden wants Russell Wilson, you can
give up whatever he wants to give up. Keep your
eye in the Raiders an interesting scenario for John Gruden.
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So we've been talking about this thing for two or
three or four years. That aggressive is now winning in sports.
(35:54):
Dodgers got aggressive with Mookie Betts. They won the World Series.
Tampa Bay got ridiculously aggressive Antonio Brown, Leonard, Fournette, Gronk,
they won the Super Bowl. The Nets got aggressive Brooklyn
now the best team in the East. Lakers got aggressive
with ad They I mean, it's to be honest. They
just shipped like seven guys out. And Raptors got aggressive
with Kawhi Leonard and they won. So aggressive more than
(36:17):
ever wins. So think about this with the Raiders and
Russell Wilson. So the first two quarterbacks John Gruden ever
dealt with, he was a forty nine Ers assistant. They
had Joe Montana. His next job, he was a Green
Bay Packer assistant. They had Brett Farve. Since then, here's
(36:38):
the quarterbacks he's dealt with, rich Gannon Brat Johnson, Jeff Garcia,
Brian Greasy, Derek Carr. By the way, capable people. He
has won fifty percent of his games. He is an
eight night football coach. That's what Gruden is today. So
John Gruden as is at a fork in the road
in his career right now. He's got seven years left
(37:00):
in his contract. He's not going to get fired. His
brand remained strong, but he's They're nine and seven now,
they have the worst defensive personnel in his division, and
it's time for a big boy swing. Okay, you cannot
win your division with the fourth best quarterback in your division.
(37:21):
They do not. They have the third best Derek Carr's
the third most talented quarterback in their division. They have
the fourth worst defense. So just say this out loud
for John Gruden. He's going to his fourth year with
the Raiders third best quarterback talent, and I like Derek Carr.
It just so happens. Mahomes and Justin Herbert are sensational,
transcendent arm talents. So he's got the fourth best defense
(37:44):
and the third best quarterback. Only four teams in the
AFC had fewer Pro bowlders than the Raiders last year,
So how do you catch up? Because they're up against
the cap. How do you catch him? Can't go to
free agency? Bay, you catch up with a phone call
and get Russell Wilson. That's how you catch up fast.
(38:05):
Derek Carr goes to Seattle, which, by the way, doesn't
make any interceptions, doesn't throw picks, very safe, very smart.
Derek's a top twelve quarterback. You need about a top
twelve quarterback to win a Super Bowl. So Seattle still
gets Derek Carr, but Russell Wilson catches you up fast.
John is the only coach in football that's had three
(38:28):
straight non winning seasons and hasn't been fired. So he's
not getting fired. But if you look at his career now,
he's a five hundred coach. He's better on television than
he is coaching football at this point, that is what
he is. So to me, it's a real fork in
the road and the advantage Gruden has and Belichick has
this power too, and Pete Carroll. Here's the big advantage.
(38:49):
There's three coaches that can do whatever they want in
this league. Belichick, Pete Carroll, Gruden. Andy Reid cannot do
everything he wants. He's got a real owner and a
real GM. There are three coaches in this league that
have ultimate power. Belichick, Gruden, and Pete. Pete and Gruden
could pull this off. They both have the leverage to
(39:11):
pull it off. That's it. So two of the three
guys who have the powers of coach can make this
thing happen. Derek Carr, by the way, is a pretty
good fit in Seattle. Pretty good fit. So I mean, listen,
Gruden could get John Gruden out of the AFC so
he doesn't come back to burn him. And Pete could
(39:33):
get Russell Wilson out of the NFC so Russell doesn't
come back to burn him and keep him out of
Super Bowls. So the Raiders situation and what you don't
want to do is traded guys. This was when Garoppolo
got traded by New England. He sent him out West
to the NFC. So Garoppolo didn't end up beating Belichick
and you pay a price for it. So ultimately Seattle,
(39:53):
if they had the trade Ross, you want to get
him to the AFC. If I see him in a
Super Bowl, I can live with it. You don't want
to have And by the way, Gruden, same thing. You know,
Derek Carr, I'd rather him not come back, and because
he'd probably come back and play his best games. Against me.
If I'm Gruden, I'd rather get him over to the
NFC and put him in a tougher division. So you know,
Pete and Gruden have the power to pull this off,
(40:14):
whether whether they should have that power or not. But
I think if you look at Gruden right now, he
starts his career with Montana and Farv and I like
rich gannon I do. And I thought Jeff Garcia is
pretty darn talented. And I like Derek Carr. He's a
five hundred coach. He's a five hundred coach. And when
you look in that division, I got Patrick Mahomes twice
a year, and I got Justin Herbert twice a year,
(40:34):
and I got a lousy defense. The only way to
catch up is a superstar quarterback. That's it. That's you
know I'm gonna do a pass rusher. You know I'm
gonna do it a running back already got a great
running back. So very interesting. These are interesting times. Drama
is our friend coming up next hour. Zion Williamson is
(40:57):
literally getting better by the game. It is incredib remember
all the critics, it's all the cast shoe mid range game. Listen,
he looked like Charles Barkley. If from the new rule
on the show, if you see a nineteen year old
and then you're like, oh, he plays like Charles Barkley,
he's gonna be good. Charles Barkley was good. He's gonna
(41:20):
be good. Hour two, Chris Simms stopping by. It's the Herd.
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