March 2, 2021 • 41 mins
More on the improvement of Zion and his impact on the league
How Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is dealing with Dak Prescott
Guests: Chris Broussard, Matt Mosley
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Joy Taylor joining me. Um. I watched some Zion last night.
He's amazing. Remember, Joy, how I did the mock draft
last Thursday with Daniel Jeremiah's a former three times scout
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in the NFL. Yes, And when I did my mock draft,
I had Kyle Pitts the tight end at number two.
He did, and there was this sense I got mocked
for it, like oh you, And I said, if Trevor
Lawrence wasn't in the draft, I would take Kyle Pitts
number one. It's the best player easily in the draft.
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So an NFL scout came out yesterday anonymously because nobody
wants to talk about the players before their team. He said,
I've never seen anything like Kyle Pitts. He goes after
Trevor Lawrence. That's the guy you draft second in the draft. Now,
it's interesting because I should have majored in college in
sociology instead of broadcasting, because I love watching people's behavior
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and I have a belief, this is my belief that
most people are more talented than their current job. But
that fear drives everybody. Your fear of failure, your fear
of leaving home, your fear of being mocked. That drives
every decision. And most people are driven by fear. Even
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tough guys at the gym, they never moved out of
their hometown. They don't want to go for it and
don't want to fail. They're comfortable at home. And that
fear of missing out they talk about fomo, young kids,
fear of missing out, not being at the cool parties.
Fear drives everything. And Bill Belichick, because of all his
Super bowls, doesn't draft out of fear. Now he struggles
with drafting, but he drafted a kicker. There's always been
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this saying can't draft a kicker. Well, Belichick believe it
or not. As smarter than you guy listening right now
on your Reddit account. He draft a kicker, Stephen Gotkowski.
He made the All Decade team in four or five
Pro Bowls and was the leading scorer for them. You
can draft a kicker, they'll be the leading scorer on
your football team. Think about any other sport, the leading score.
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You can't draft a leading score. You can't draft a kicker.
Belichick's a best coach ever he did. Of course, you
could draft a kicker, but people don't do it because
the fear of being mocked. Kyle Pitts is so good
that the scout I talked to say that not only
will he be the best tie end on your football team,
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that barring four or five teams, he'd be the best
receiver on your football team rookie year in the NFL. Now,
there's obviously he's not as good as Davante Adams right
now in Green Bay or DeAndre Hopkins in Arizona. I mean,
there's a handful of receivers. He's not better than Mike
Evans maybe at Tamba, but that he's the fact, he'll
be the best tight end in the league by his
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first or second year. And by the way, tight ends
have never meant more. Travis Kelsey last year was second
in receiving yards in the league. Is a tight end.
But this idea that you would box yourself in and
not be able to draft a tight end first or
second is stupid. Why are you The only reason you
wouldn't is fear of being mocked. Years ago, Chris Ballard,
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a great GM for the Colts, draft a guard like
fifth or six. And I know Ballard and I remember
talking to him about it, and he's like, Colin, he's
the only player in this draft that is guaranteed to
be a Hall of famer. I don't care what position
he plays. He goes a third of this first round,
is gonna whiff half of the first round or underachieve.
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He is the only guy that you're like, oh, it's
a hall of famer. Like Tyron Smith when the Cowboys
drafted him out of USC it was under every scout
I talked to is like, oh, he is a hall
of famer. He was just like, you get about one
of these a draft. You get maybe one one a draft.
Patrick Willis when the forty nine ers drafted him out
of Old miss I can remember talking to me. I said,
this on the air at ESPN. They're like, he's the
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best player in the draft. He's the only camp miss
in the draft, as long as he doesn't get hurt,
Like I don't care about labels that I can't do.
If Trevor Lawrence isn't in this draft, he is the
only guaranteed star. Kyle Wilson's not a guaranteed star. He's
never beaten a top twenty program in college. This kid
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played against Patrick certain who's the first or second best
corner in the country for Alabama. Ate him up. Okay,
you gonna walk into this league and tear it up
as a rookie. Take out five or six teams. He'll
be your best wide receiver. Stop living in these tunnels,
in these boxes and you can't. And you can draft
a kicker, you can draft a tight end number one.
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You can draft a guard top five or six. And
that cowboy offensive line was a bunch of centers and
guards and tackles all first round. It's not just the
quarterback pass rusher league. You get a great how many
teams in the NFL, because when you have a quarterback,
don't need a great I mean the Seattle Seahawks, right
now the number one need is a left guard. If
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you had Quenton Nelson available and you had the fourth
pick for Seattle, you gotta go get a corner. Well,
that's always the balance of the draft. Do you take
the best player that's available or do you take what
you need? Well player lead a quarterback. Then you've got
to take a quarterback, which is why they go high
in the draft. You don't. You should absolutely take the
most talented players. Is a conversation with Chase Young Chaseng.
We know which is Young is going to be just
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drafted immediately. But if you need a quarterback, you can't
take Chase you well, if you need a quarterback, So
quarterbacks the exception, Washington already had a great defensive front
and they were like, no, Chase Young is obviously the
best player in the draft, and they were right, yeah,
I mean he's a month. If he don't transcendent talent
like Trevor Lawrence, so you don't have someone like Joe Burrow,
then yeah, you should take the most sounds of player
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in the draft. Whatever position. Kyle Pitts is doesn't even
look like other players. I mean scouts are now saying, oh,
he'll be the best receiver on your team. I watched
about four Florida games this year. They lined am up everywhere.
They lined him up in the slot, they lined him
up back. Alabama couldn't stop him. He had like seven
catches one hundred and twenty yards and everybody Nick Saban
knew a week before they're gonna throw to him every play.
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So he's excellent. But if you don't on someone of
the thrones, that's right, right. If if you don't have
a quarterback, get a quarterback, yes, but outside a quarterback,
if Kyle Pitts is available, unless I have Travis Kelsey,
I'm drafting him. He's ridiculous. All right, let's go to
Chris Brussard, rarely ridiculous. Fox Sports NBA analyst joining us
now live, So I chaste something. I'm watching Zion and
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the league is putting I got more Pelican games on
my television that I know what to do with. What
does that tell you about Zion? What's to tell you
about him? Well, look, obviously the league wants to put
him out there and make him the next star. And
early in the season, when they were losing it was
looking bad, I was like, my goodness, every other night,
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the Pelicans are on national TV and they're losing. This
is this is a horrible decision. But now, of course
he's playing well, and what I love, they're putting the
ball in his hand standing Van Gundi has put the
ball in his hands. Now he's running more high pick
and roll, almost point guard at times, not exclusively, which
I like, but just enough to throw a different look
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at the defense. As Zion is playing great, living up
to it. It's how popular is he? You know? He
was only sixth colin in the All Star voting in
front court players in the Western Conference. Obviously you got
some great players out West. But I was a little
surrise by that because fans aren't the most astute voters.
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I mean, y'all Ming was voted eight times a starter
and over Shaquille O'Neill oftentimes, so a lot of times
fan voting is not based on ability. I was surprised
at Zion didn't rank a little higher in that regard.
And early in the year when they were losing, I
actually think there was very a very small amount of
buzz around him. Now that they're starting to win eight
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of their last fifteen, he's putting up twenty seven points
a game over those last fifteen. Now the buzz is coming.
I tell you, I don't think he's gonna do it,
But if he would be in the slam Dunk contest,
I think that would skyrocket his fame even more so.
It's good because he can be a new face of
the league coming up. You know, it's interesting, speaking of
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new faces. I was wrong on this one. LaMelo Ball
is tearing it up. Tearing it up. You surprised. I'm
surprised that he's doing it so quickly. You know, everybody
knew of his talent. I liked him a lot. I
thought he obviously had everything Linzo had, but more He's
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more aggressive, more offensive minded. He kept his dribble alive
a lot longer than Linzo, which I liked. And I'm
gonna credit Michael Jordan and Charlotte Hornets because they didn't
force him out there. Obviously, they need a face, right,
they need a young star or somebody to draw attention
to him. And they still started him out on the bench,
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made him earn his position in the starting lineup, and
then when he was ready, they didn't hold him back.
So credit to them. But Colin over the last month
since he's been starting twenty points, seven assists, six rebounds,
and like forty two percent shooting from three. And that's
the thing nobody thought he could shoot. And here he comes,
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hitting over forty percent from three. He's got the flare.
He's a great passer. I'm glad. Look, I'm glad somebody
he's going to be a star, because I think LaVar
would be insufferable if none of his kids became superstar.
So good for all of us that LaMelo looks like
the real deal. I thought you made a really smart
comment on this. He doesn't pick up his dribble, and
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that tells you that Lonzo is a little apprehensive about
his jumper. So Lonzo is a great dribbler, but he
picks it up because he's a little reticent to shoot
at three. LaMelo trusts his own shot, so he doesn't
pick that dribble up. He just gonna take it and
go score. So LaMelo is a much more aggressive player
than Lonzo, and I think a lot of that is
because he's a better shooter. Now let's segue to this.
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We know a d's great, but it is funny. Now
the Lakers are seven and one when Shrewder and Lebron
play and a D doesn't. And I was thinking about this.
I don't know if Joy and I were talking about this.
One of the little secrets last year to the Lakers
success is often brittle. A D got a four and
a half month in season hiatus, and if I'm the Lakers,
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I'm sitting They're thinking, well, hell, if we have Shrewder
and this roster and Lebron, we're a one or two seed,
what's the rush to get ad back? Let's give him
another month and a half off. We know he missed
his twenty percent of his games as a pro. Chris,
I could make the argument, just do what you did
last year to lesser degree, give him, give him eight
to ten weeks off. Why not? Yeah, It's hard to disagree,
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and I gotta be honest. Even if Shrewder wasn't playing
well and the Lakers were still losing, or if Shooter
wasn't there, say he was hurt, still, I still would
take that approach with Anthony Davis because the two top
priorities for the Lakers are going into the playoffs are
Lebron and Anthony Davis as close to full health as possible, right,
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that's it. It's not your seed. It's not even you
want to be playing well, but even if you're not,
that's not the priority. It's just half those two close
to full health. Last year, they were three and five
in the bubble, and remember they couldn't hit a three
point shot and they couldn't stop a three point shot.
It was like they people were picking Houston and Portland
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to beat the Lakers in the playoffs. But they had
those two guys at full health, playing near the top
of their games, and we know that they won the championship.
So I agree with you. I would just try let
a d rest. I mean, I wouldn't go too far
with it, but I would wait until he's basically one
hundred percent healthy and then get ready for the playoffs.
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I don't care if I fall to a four seed.
I don't think they will, but if that was the case,
I still would risk it just to be healthy. Yeah. Finally,
I led my show with us yesterday. I watched the
Bucks Clippers. At the end of the game. I watched
the second half and Giannis played very well, but once again,
Kawhi and Paul George were not great late. And it's
interesting with Kawhi is that in San Antonio, in Toronto,
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the culture was set and he came in as sort
of a mercenary, get a basket, get a stop guy
and it worked. But in Los Ange to us, he's
more build a culture guy. Well he's not. There's two
ways to be a leader. You can be a verbal leader,
he's not. Or you can be a lead by example guy.
Well with load management, he's not always that either. Can
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I could you say about the Clippers a little bit
here is you know, they thought Kalli has never proven
you can build a culture around him. What he's proven
is that if the culture is built, he's a great
He's the icing to a really good cake. And that
maybe the Clippers if not delusional, we're asking him to
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do what he's really not as a person or a player. Now, look,
the evidence points to that. I mean, you remember saying
Antonio that was they had the Big three still Tim
duncan Ujanobli, Tony Parker, kawi Iver's twelve points that regular season.
Now he was the MVP of the finals, but he
wasn't a star by any stretch of the imagination. And
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you said it about Toronto, and let's face it, they
don't win that championship, certainly not if Kevin Durants healthy.
I don't even think they would it if Clay Thompson
is healthy. But still give him credit. He's got two rings.
But I agree with you because he's not a leader.
He's not a very communicative person, so he's certainly not
building a culture in a positive way. And last year
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we saw he really contributed to building a negative culture
there with the Clippers. I think he's a little better
this year, which is good, but I think it's something
else too, Colin. There are levels to this. We know this, right.
There are levels, and every time you reach one level,
now the question becomes okay, can you do it again?
Like Luca has established himself as a superstar, right, but
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now the question is okay, can you win? Can you
go deep in the playoffs? And then after that it'll
be can you win a championship with Kauai. I think
the next level for him to get to is can
you win with the pressure of high expectations because and
Antonio he wasn't under any pressure Toronto. He wasn't under
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any pressure because it was a one year rental and
nobody expected anything from the Raptors. All right. Now he
comes to the Clippers and now people are saying he's
better than Lebron. He's got billboards all over the place,
he's got his own shoe deal. It's his city, supposedly, right,
and now the pressure of expectations are on him. Credit Lebron.
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James Lebron has played with these expectations ninety five percent
of his career, if not the entire career. It's different.
All guys don't want those expectations of having to win
a championship or leave your team to a championship. So
I think that's the question too with Kauai. Does he
like these expectations because Colin he has been bad in
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the clutch these two years with the Clippers. He saw
it Sunday against the Bucks. It's been that way off season,
and it was that way last year against Denver in
the playoffs. Good stuff. Chris Bruce sort always appreciate it.
Fox Sports NBA analyst. He and Rob Parker the odd couple.
Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio every day, send at the seven
attend Eastern. It's got a lot of stick. It's funny
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and they're great, a great listen, and I appreciate you
stopping by. Chris all right a man later. All right,
we'll go to Dallas before the end of the hour,
and Matt Mosley on the Jane Slater reporting, Dak wants
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The league's top two contenders looked against some steam heading
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the Fox Sports App. I'm rooting for Jay Wright, nothing
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against the other guys. I like him more though. You know.
He checked in with me with my crazy meltdown physically
a Jay Wright sent me a nice message. That's very nice.
So if you want to curry favor with me, whenever
I end up in a hospital, text me nice things
and I will root for your team and say wonderful things.
I text you lots of nice things. Well, I root
for you. Yeah you do. Yeah. And Jay Wright, a
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lot of you coaches out there. You get bounced in
the tournament, I don't even care. We're gonna put you
in a bubble. So I don't have to worry about
this anymore. I gotta respond, Jersey Mikes, is it? What
day is it? Today? Today is Tuesday? So I don't
love Tuesdays. Wednesday though, Jersey Mike's day. Tuesdays don't do
a thing for me. U just order Jersey Mike's to
their app, no contact delivery or no contact to the door.
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Pick up Jersey Mike's be a sub above. Joey Taylor
with the news. No, no, this is the herd Line News.
I'm so interested now to find out who who texts you?
You can't. But it's a lot of Chris Ballard he took.
He was very you know, very nice. I don't want
to ask you on air. I think out people now
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ask you off air else Well, you think you know
guys on his deathbed, you'd at least say hi, Colin.
But no big deal. I'm not bitter, don't hold grudges.
A lot of people were very concerned about I know.
I'm just glad you're back. I'm doing just fine. So
Dak Prescott and the Cowboys are stuck in what feels
like never ending contract negotiations. I don't remember a point
in my career where I talked more about someone's Oh,
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there's never been never contracts ever, There's never been anything
like that, because generally it's not really that interesting. It's
always boring, right, and this is very interesting because it's
so late. Well and you can always take sides, like
with Patrick Mahomes, you'd be like, just pay him, that'd
be stupid not to right, like or with Trubisky you're like,
let's not pick up the oction, let's move on. Yeah,
it's usually very clear what should happen. And then you
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get into the debate of like should they be paid
this much more or not? But you definitely either feel
like they should be paid or shouldn't. And then so
you have two different camps with Dak, and it's the Cowboys,
but the other thing is now Dak wants big boy money,
so now he's creating another layer of like argument. This
is why it's a good topic. It gets a number
every time I talk about because there really are two
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sides to this story, right, So, and I found that
rich Jane Slater gave a little bit more insight, And
so why they haven't come to an agree me yet.
Last year's money was in the ballpark of Russell Wilson
slash Jared Goff type money. Now he's looking to be
paid right behind Patrick Mahomes, a guy who's gone to
the Super Bowl two years in a row. Dak hasn't
done that yet, So they feel like it's been a
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respectable offer. His camp believes that he needs to bear
what the market value is, and they feel like this
deal should have gotten done two years ago. So your
problems with money aren't our problems. It's about respect. I'm
so conflicted about this because I've always been on Dak's
side in this conversation dud By. The way Dak talks
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about respect, that's a big thing for guys. Do women
talk about respect? Yes, Okay, because guys it's a big
deal all the time. Okay, so you guys do that too,
respect Well, I mean, because I think respect is measured
in actions and in words, how you treat someone with
like That's why Deshaun Watson feels disrespected. He was paid respectively,
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but he wasn't treated with respect, and he doesn't feel
like other people around him were treated with respect. So
respect is very layered. It's not just a wreck thing like, Okay,
we've paid you, therefore you've been respected. Like there's a
lot of nuance to it. I feel like that disrespect
started when they signed Ezekiel Elliott and got that contract done.
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Before they got their franchise quarterback contract done, there weren't
that many questions about what Dak was capable of. Why
would you do that contract first before the quarterback, because
at that point you could have gotten him on a
much more reasonable deal. But then as time went on,
it's like, no, I'm actually extremely valuable. Now it becomes
a conversation of how valuable Patrick Mahomes. Everyone understood that contract,
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but what Patrick Mahomes has accomplished plays a huge role
on and then we all have eyeballs and can see
how talented he is as well. Obviously, it's getting very
complicated for me to do to assess this because I
obviously feel like he should be paid, And who am
I to tell someone to take less money. I think
you should do whatever you want with your career. What
I would do is take a slightly more reasonable deal,
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especially after coming off of this type of injury. Same
here and take it. He just wants a shorter deal
in Dallas, is willing to give that part. I'm on
his side on he should be able to get to
They should move on the one year deal, the one
that he wants a four year they want a five year.
Move on the one year pay him because the thing
about it is, while while he was on this rookie contract.
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You had all the money to sign on these players
and bringing all this talent, you guys didn't make it happen.
Dak's not the GM, Dak's not the owner. That's not
on him to put all the pieces around him to
make him successful. I guaranteed Jerry saying you've made seventy
five million in indorsements, you wouldn't do that with the Jags.
You got to con that's right. Jerry's sales pitches. Russell
Wilson's made fifteen million indorsements, You've made seventy. You got
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to take that now that that's hard to hear from
a billionaire. But here is the reality. Billion or salary caps.
Though like players salary cap, this is MLB payment whatever,
four hundred million dollars. You can't tell me you're not
gonna pay me because you have it. But this is
a salary cap situation and you have to fit in
other players. And to your point, you are not going
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to get those endorsement deals if you're somewhere else. So
you know, Patrick Mahomes make makes forty five million annually,
DeShawn Watson makes thirty nine, so he's looking for somewhere
assumably in the forty million dollar range. And you know,
when you look down with what those other guys have accomplished.
Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Mahomes is a super Bowl.
Russell Wilson as a super Bowl. We all think, well
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not all of us, You and I think Roethlisberger is
should hang it up. But he has two Jared Goff
played and one. Aaron Rodgers has one. What kind of
company are are you in? Jane's later just tweeted an update.
I'm told Dak's been at the facility nearly every day rehabbing,
so must not be that contentious, folks. Secondly, Stephen Jones
and Todd Fans have been talking and they are good talks.
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Still nothing meaningful here, but they're better than they've been.
So maybe maybe one day we'll get to this contract.
So Trevor Lawrence is only a couple of weeks into
his recovery from left shoulder surgery and he's already getting
good rehab work in He posted a few pictures that
showed him lifting weights and working with a physical therapist
and added the caption day by day, Now look at
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that picture that looks like a number one pick. He's
standing next to a man who appears to be a
normal sized man. Well, Trevor Lawrence is six six. Yeah,
look at Trevor Lawrence's by the way, that's what a
number one pick looks like. He doesn't look like anybody
in your family. I mean, look at his chest, look
at his size, look at his That is what a
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number one pick. I'm sorry, but I Zach Wilson at
BYU looks skinny to me. Okay, but we've seen skinny,
undersized guys be very successful outliers, obviously Tom Brady being
one of them. He wouldn't appreciate that. Well, he was
a fifth round I wouldn't pick Tom Brady number one.
That's right. Yes, I'm glad that his This is the
thing now, you know, I think when guys first started
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posting like rehab and training videos and workout videos, it
was kind of like made fun of, and now it's
kind of necessary, like everyone wants updates on your progress
and what you're doing in the off season. But glad
that his rehab is coming along nicely and you've been
in physical therapy. Stink, so you know how I got
it tomorrow at three? It stinks it's worse. It's the worst.
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The injury itself is bad, right, it could be painful,
but the rehab is really what drains your spirit. It's exhausted,
it is exhausted, and it's it's crucial. So, by the way,
if you have an injury, go get physical therapy. Guys
hate to do it. Do it at times. What happens
is you don't get the proper physical therapy and don't
take it seriously, and then you I talked to a
doctor yesterday, doctor Thomas Lowe's a great doctor, and he
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was saying, yeah, skied a couple of years ago. I
banged up my shoulder. I didn't take care of it.
He's kind of healed by itself. And I thought, you're
a doctor. But by the way it shows you, we're guys.
We're like banged up. We got written. Now as a
pro athlete, you have to do rehab. Your teeth, it's
still there's still human beings like it is to your point,
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it's exhausting to do rehab. It's like another job. Now
when you're pro athlete, obviously it is your job to rehab,
and the same way it would be your job to train.
Is my doctor going to be mad at me because
I said his name. He's a brilliant doctor, that's what
he's brilliant, literally brilliant. But he was talking about a
ski accident. Well maybe he just sees his doctor. I'm
sure he's very busy, so he didn't feel like doing it.
But it's funny. Oh god. I didn't want to rehab
when I tore my acl, I was like, I am
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not I don't feel like doing anything. I didn't rehab
until my wife literally said, you can't sleep on your
left side. Something's wrong with your body. Get it fixed.
I had to be taught. I was in so much
pain I couldn't go on my left side. And I
was like, yeah, it just say'll go away. My wife's like, yes,
seven months it hasn't gone away. Don't be an Indian. Yeah,
guys are weird. See, I don't have the pain capacity
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for that. If I'm uncomfortable for five minutes, I'm like
all right, Oh not me. I'm a warrior. So finally,
LaMelo Ball continues to impress his rookie year. He averaged
twenty points, six point two rebounds and six point seven
assists in the month of February with those numbers, he
became only the third teenager to play at least ten
games in the calendar month and average at least twenty points,
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six rebounds, and six assists per game in that stretch.
He's in pretty good company, only two others to do it,
one being Luca Dante's and Lebron James. Yeah, I mean
it's he's surprised me. I thought he was really flashy,
and I thought, yeah, I've seen his brother's plays a
little bit of sizzle, not enough steak for me. Then
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he's he really is when you watch him play. I
don't watch a lot of Charlotte stuff, but the times
I watched an off NBA, he's aggressive. Offensively, he's got
you can tell by the way he plays. He thinks
he's a great offensive player. And that, by the way,
that's a big chunk of it. I'm not a huge bragger, um,
you know. If I'm wrong, I usually just kind of
ignore it and then it go go away. Yeah, but
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I'm pretty proud about how right right you called this one.
I think I deserve this one. This one, Hey, that's right.
A couple of experts here and get it right. We
want to hear about it. Yeah, you know, joy with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the Herd line. You know, I was thinking about
that JJ Watt situation. Um. It's it's well documented now
that younger general managers in the National Football League are
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more willing to trade than older general managers. It's cultural.
The young g the less needs. You know, they're they're
they're they're gonna go out, Howie Roseman. The young gms
are much more about making trades and making deals. The
old GM's not as much. What's also happening in coaching
is a young coaches Sean McVay, Cliff Kingsbury, um, um,
(28:28):
Green Bay's coach Lafleur. They're not going to grind you
as much as at practice as a Belichick now. And
the Bruce arians is an old coach who thinks young.
He's not a grinder at practice either. And I do
wonder what JJ Watt players sell players on culture. James
Harden was talked into coming to Brooklyn by k D.
(28:50):
A d was talking to coming by Lebron Players talk
to players, stars talk to stars, and I do think
DeAndre Hopkins admitted he sold j J. Watt well what
he sell them on. Did he sell them on we
win super bowls here? No? Oh, we finished first last year. Well, no,
we are best coach easily in the division. No. What
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he sold him on his culture and the culture in
Arizona with young Cliff Kingsbury, is we don't grind you
every day at practice. It's about Sundays. And I think
that's powerful. I think Nick Saban's ready smart at this
and that's not a knock. By the way, McVeigh was
the first coach to come out and say preseason is stupid.
I'm not going to play any of my good players
in the preseason. And he got criticized for it. Oh,
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September October they went eight No, So basically mcvay's culture
was the preseason. I'm not going to play any of
my good players in the preseason. It has no relevance.
He didn't, and now everybody's copied them. None of the
good teams play their players in preseason, very many snaps.
Mcvay's also a believer in this game is hard enough.
We don't need to wear pads all the time, and
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they've cut back on wearing pads. The Rams are known
as an easier practice team. They're intense, short practices. They
don't keep you out there forever. So Nick Saban's really
good at the Saban is legendary. Saban is very pro player.
He's brutal on his coaches. He is just eats his
coaches alive. They can't get out of them in the
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minute they get a job offer at Arby's, they're out
of there. Why because Nick's smart. He knows players sell players.
That's why Alabama's recruiting z always great because the players
are like, oh Nick, he loves us man. Nick's great.
Saban's legendary with his players. Always defends his player. He'll
barking him once or twice, you know, a season on
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the sideline. But he's tough on coaches. And because coaches
they come and go, but those players they sell your program,
not only when they play, but when they leave. And
so I think a lot of the JJ Watt thing
is DeAndre Hopkins sold him on the culture, and the
culture is very pro player. We don't grind in the preseason,
we don't grind you at practice. And let's be honest
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with JJ Watt. He's got a one hundred fifty million bucks,
he's got a Hall of fame career. He didn't want to.
He shows up on Sunday and places these guys don't
need JJ Watt doesn't need to be getting banged up
in practice. And I do think if you look at
mcvay's ability to attract free agents, I think the words
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out with the Rams. It is very pro player and
we don't live by this old school nonsense that crushing
in practice matters. Bruce Arians, by the way, it's very attractive.
Brady comes down. Not a lot of people saying no
to Bruce Arians and free agency, and Brady's a grinder,
by the way. But Bruce is about Sunday. Let's get
it right on Sunday, all right. Matt Mosey's around the corner.
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Moseley Cowboys insider, and he is joining us. He only
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in America, folks, it's our show, that's it. Glary is
right there. So I said this morning, Dak's gone from
dependable and devote to maybe a little delusional. When I
see these numbers, I'm like, DAK thirty seven thirty eight
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million are Cowboy fans in the world in which you live?
Are there Cowboy fans that are like Ben Dak supporters,
but now question them a little you know, they may
question him a little bit, but they you know, Cowboys
fans have seen the alternative when they don't have a quarterback,
and I just don't see anyway. It is crazy that
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it's gotten this point. It's totally Jerry's fault, but it's
it's Jerry who in the end will make this right.
You've spent time with Jerry, You've interviewed him, He found
you know, Romo. They lucked out on this fourth round,
picked Dak. They can talk big, but they wanted Connor
Cook and the tall guy Paxton Lynch. I mean, those
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are the people that they really wanted. And when you
watch these throws, and I know, Colin, for some reason,
you dream of Andy Dalton back in the pocket for
the Cowboys next season. But I this is this is
the guy that will be here for the next six
to seven years. And what he's done is he's put
Jerry in a corner. Jerry's admitted it to a certain extent,
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and so he's pushed him into a corner. So he's
got ultimate leverage. Jerry sort of admitted that, and so
while we can go, oh my gosh, thirty seven thirty
eight million dollars a year, that is where the market is,
and that is what he would get on the open market.
So Jerry will have to pay up. But it is
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really remarkable that has gotten this far. Did you when
Russell Wilson named the Cowboys in his four how did
that play in Dallas? You know, there was our pulse quickened, like, oh,
Russell running around and all that kind of stuff. But
then I think I think there was a little bit
(34:56):
of disrespect that came into the play, like like, really,
Agent's gonna say Cowboys with Dak hasn't gotten his day.
You know, that's a that's a huge fraternity, the quarterback fraternity.
And so while it sounds kind of fun, I mean,
Russell is incredible. I mean, you know that area better
than any one. You know, when he's throwing the deep ball,
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but Pete made him hand it off. And I do
sort of believe some of that athletic story. You know,
somebody anonymously said, is this guy trying to save face
a little bit? You know what would give me pause
about Russell Wilson is just this all this talk about
Colin legacy. I worry about quarterbacks. I love the guy.
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He's inspirational. He inspires me. I mean, that's Super Bowl
a few years ago. I would just go hear him
like he was a motivational speaker. It was like I
was going to see Tony Robbins or something. I would
have walked on hot coals for this man. But I'm
telling you there's something that rubbed me wrong about that
whole story. Someone that is enamored with their own legacy, Colin,
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you don't sit around thinking about, oh, what's my legacy.
You're thinking about what a restaurant can I open tomorrow?
What what can I do? So this bothers me about
Russell Wilson. It would if the Cowboys could trade Dak.
Is Russell Wilson better than Dak? You bet? Dak though,
is what six years younger, and it has his career
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ahead of him. And you saw him, You saw those
pictures of him, those yeezis or the those shoes he
was in people. I mean weeks ago, people in Dallas
had him barely living. I mean, oh my gosh, will
he ever walk again? And he looks great? So I
just as fun as all this is to talk about
and lord knows, I'll write more about it on Fox
(36:45):
sports dot com. But this deal has to get done Jerry.
This would be the biggest embarrassment of his career. That's
really saying something. I mean, I there's you know, there
have been some things, but collegue, can you name anyone
Jerry has ever let get away that he would have
(37:07):
deep regrets about. Maybe maybe Sean Payton, maybe you could
talk about some of these coaches that have gone on
to do really nice things. But as as far as
a player, he's never not got you know, been able
to get something done. Yeah, So I don't I don't
think about all this. Oh my gosh, thirty seven. Oh
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he wants a little I mean, can you imagine can
you imagine that being said by An Asia, Hey, we
want just a little bit less than Patrick's forty five
million a year or whatever. That deal does what he wants,
and he should probably, you know, Cowboys should do this.
They should do an MBA type deal where he gets
a three year, big time deal. I kind of like that.
(37:50):
I kind of like some of that instead of just
giving that to the tom Brady's or the Rivers at
the end of their careers. Why do these young guys
not maybe go that this team wants to spread it.
I get that people like Mosley. What about the salary cap?
I think I think the I think that if he
could really get a short term deal, I mean, that
would be great. And then the Cowboys have I mean
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the pressure on Mike McCarthy and everybody else. You've got
three years to get your super Bowl. I mean, I've
really talked myself into this just since I've been on
with you. Well, how is we got a couple of
minutes left hot You know, Jerry tends to give his
coach as an extra year. Is McCarthy on any hot
seat if he started one and four? Yeah? Yeah, I
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think I think one and four you're looking for an
interim coach? Wow? And and you're looking I mean, I'm
just saying that that talk will start. I've only seen
Jerry do it once. He Wade Phillips. He fired him midseason,
and that is how Garrett proved himself. He's done it before.
If they get off, if Dad's back and Dad's right,
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and they you know, they bring They've brought in Quinn
and you have the interim coach because Quinn's been a
head coach, so you have that part of it set up.
So I mean, again, I don't that's a very nasty,
negative hypothetical. You've set me down that path. Color. But
I would say if they start one and four kind
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of like last season, it's hot seat time in Texas
because there is no Garrett always had the family connection.
Jason's gonna come to Thanksgiving with a family we love
you well, but it's not that way. It's not that
way with McCarthy. There is no deep relationship. But the
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only thing saving McCarthy from truly being on the hot
seat is Jerry hates more than anything to that he's
made a mistake, Okay, and that's why that's why Dak.
I mean, he's gonna be back. And by the way,
some leverage is about to take place. You will see
some major draft, some quarterback draft talk. Okay, Um, that's
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that's gonna that's gonna that's gonna come up. Uh you
know what are they gonna do at ten? And that's
that's a lot of that will be to kind of
rile up a little bit the Prescott camp. Okay, I
see that coming and uh, and that's coming. I'm gonna
help that process and we'll write some stuff about it.
See if I can inch that down the road. But
that is what is coming, all right. Um, Hey, good
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luck to Baylor. You can put your sunglasses on again now,
which you take off for about six minutes today when
you're on our show, And good luck to your Baylor Bears.
They're um, they're okay, they're pretty good defensively. Don't get
ahead of yourself there, I gotta get going here, Mosley.
It's good talking to you. Really enjoyed it. That's a
that's a two pm Pacific start. That's a great, great,
great game today. Okay, thank you, Colin. You've got big
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man and man and get in your face a little bit.
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the best defensive team. I pride to myself I'm being
a pesky defender. Did you not me? It's mostly because
I was small, and honestly, I don't think I went
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Joy Taylor joining me. Um. I watched some Zion last night.
He's amazing. Remember, Joy, how I did the mock draft
last Thursday with Daniel Jeremiah's a former three times scout
(00:47):
in the NFL. Yes, And when I did my mock draft,
I had Kyle Pitts the tight end at number two.
He did, and there was this sense I got mocked
for it, like oh you, And I said, if Trevor
Lawrence wasn't in the draft, I would take Kyle Pitts
number one. It's the best player easily in the draft.
(01:09):
So an NFL scout came out yesterday anonymously because nobody
wants to talk about the players before their team. He said,
I've never seen anything like Kyle Pitts. He goes after
Trevor Lawrence. That's the guy you draft second in the draft. Now,
it's interesting because I should have majored in college in
sociology instead of broadcasting, because I love watching people's behavior
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and I have a belief, this is my belief that
most people are more talented than their current job. But
that fear drives everybody. Your fear of failure, your fear
of leaving home, your fear of being mocked. That drives
every decision. And most people are driven by fear. Even
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tough guys at the gym, they never moved out of
their hometown. They don't want to go for it and
don't want to fail. They're comfortable at home. And that
fear of missing out they talk about fomo, young kids,
fear of missing out, not being at the cool parties.
Fear drives everything. And Bill Belichick, because of all his
Super bowls, doesn't draft out of fear. Now he struggles
with drafting, but he drafted a kicker. There's always been
(02:16):
this saying can't draft a kicker. Well, Belichick believe it
or not. As smarter than you guy listening right now
on your Reddit account. He draft a kicker, Stephen Gotkowski.
He made the All Decade team in four or five
Pro Bowls and was the leading scorer for them. You
can draft a kicker, they'll be the leading scorer on
your football team. Think about any other sport, the leading score.
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You can't draft a leading score. You can't draft a kicker.
Belichick's a best coach ever he did. Of course, you
could draft a kicker, but people don't do it because
the fear of being mocked. Kyle Pitts is so good
that the scout I talked to say that not only
will he be the best tie end on your football team,
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that barring four or five teams, he'd be the best
receiver on your football team rookie year in the NFL. Now,
there's obviously he's not as good as Davante Adams right
now in Green Bay or DeAndre Hopkins in Arizona. I mean,
there's a handful of receivers. He's not better than Mike
Evans maybe at Tamba, but that he's the fact, he'll
be the best tight end in the league by his
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first or second year. And by the way, tight ends
have never meant more. Travis Kelsey last year was second
in receiving yards in the league. Is a tight end.
But this idea that you would box yourself in and
not be able to draft a tight end first or
second is stupid. Why are you The only reason you
wouldn't is fear of being mocked. Years ago, Chris Ballard,
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a great GM for the Colts, draft a guard like
fifth or six. And I know Ballard and I remember
talking to him about it, and he's like, Colin, he's
the only player in this draft that is guaranteed to
be a Hall of famer. I don't care what position
he plays. He goes a third of this first round,
is gonna whiff half of the first round or underachieve.
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He is the only guy that you're like, oh, it's
a hall of famer. Like Tyron Smith when the Cowboys
drafted him out of USC it was under every scout
I talked to is like, oh, he is a hall
of famer. He was just like, you get about one
of these a draft. You get maybe one one a draft.
Patrick Willis when the forty nine ers drafted him out
of Old miss I can remember talking to me. I said,
this on the air at ESPN. They're like, he's the
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best player in the draft. He's the only camp miss
in the draft, as long as he doesn't get hurt,
Like I don't care about labels that I can't do.
If Trevor Lawrence isn't in this draft, he is the
only guaranteed star. Kyle Wilson's not a guaranteed star. He's
never beaten a top twenty program in college. This kid
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played against Patrick certain who's the first or second best
corner in the country for Alabama. Ate him up. Okay,
you gonna walk into this league and tear it up
as a rookie. Take out five or six teams. He'll
be your best wide receiver. Stop living in these tunnels,
in these boxes and you can't. And you can draft
a kicker, you can draft a tight end number one.
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You can draft a guard top five or six. And
that cowboy offensive line was a bunch of centers and
guards and tackles all first round. It's not just the
quarterback pass rusher league. You get a great how many
teams in the NFL, because when you have a quarterback,
don't need a great I mean the Seattle Seahawks, right
now the number one need is a left guard. If
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you had Quenton Nelson available and you had the fourth
pick for Seattle, you gotta go get a corner. Well,
that's always the balance of the draft. Do you take
the best player that's available or do you take what
you need? Well player lead a quarterback. Then you've got
to take a quarterback, which is why they go high
in the draft. You don't. You should absolutely take the
most talented players. Is a conversation with Chase Young Chaseng.
We know which is Young is going to be just
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drafted immediately. But if you need a quarterback, you can't
take Chase you well, if you need a quarterback, So
quarterbacks the exception, Washington already had a great defensive front
and they were like, no, Chase Young is obviously the
best player in the draft, and they were right, yeah,
I mean he's a month. If he don't transcendent talent
like Trevor Lawrence, so you don't have someone like Joe Burrow,
then yeah, you should take the most sounds of player
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in the draft. Whatever position. Kyle Pitts is doesn't even
look like other players. I mean scouts are now saying, oh,
he'll be the best receiver on your team. I watched
about four Florida games this year. They lined am up everywhere.
They lined him up in the slot, they lined him
up back. Alabama couldn't stop him. He had like seven
catches one hundred and twenty yards and everybody Nick Saban
knew a week before they're gonna throw to him every play.
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So he's excellent. But if you don't on someone of
the thrones, that's right, right. If if you don't have
a quarterback, get a quarterback, yes, but outside a quarterback,
if Kyle Pitts is available, unless I have Travis Kelsey,
I'm drafting him. He's ridiculous. All right, let's go to
Chris Brussard, rarely ridiculous. Fox Sports NBA analyst joining us
now live, So I chaste something. I'm watching Zion and
(06:58):
the league is putting I got more Pelican games on
my television that I know what to do with. What
does that tell you about Zion? What's to tell you
about him? Well, look, obviously the league wants to put
him out there and make him the next star. And
early in the season, when they were losing it was
looking bad, I was like, my goodness, every other night,
(07:19):
the Pelicans are on national TV and they're losing. This
is this is a horrible decision. But now, of course
he's playing well, and what I love, they're putting the
ball in his hand standing Van Gundi has put the
ball in his hands. Now he's running more high pick
and roll, almost point guard at times, not exclusively, which
I like, but just enough to throw a different look
(07:40):
at the defense. As Zion is playing great, living up
to it. It's how popular is he? You know? He
was only sixth colin in the All Star voting in
front court players in the Western Conference. Obviously you got
some great players out West. But I was a little
surrise by that because fans aren't the most astute voters.
(08:03):
I mean, y'all Ming was voted eight times a starter
and over Shaquille O'Neill oftentimes, so a lot of times
fan voting is not based on ability. I was surprised
at Zion didn't rank a little higher in that regard.
And early in the year when they were losing, I
actually think there was very a very small amount of
buzz around him. Now that they're starting to win eight
(08:26):
of their last fifteen, he's putting up twenty seven points
a game over those last fifteen. Now the buzz is coming.
I tell you, I don't think he's gonna do it,
But if he would be in the slam Dunk contest,
I think that would skyrocket his fame even more so.
It's good because he can be a new face of
the league coming up. You know, it's interesting, speaking of
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new faces. I was wrong on this one. LaMelo Ball
is tearing it up. Tearing it up. You surprised. I'm
surprised that he's doing it so quickly. You know, everybody
knew of his talent. I liked him a lot. I
thought he obviously had everything Linzo had, but more He's
(09:12):
more aggressive, more offensive minded. He kept his dribble alive
a lot longer than Linzo, which I liked. And I'm
gonna credit Michael Jordan and Charlotte Hornets because they didn't
force him out there. Obviously, they need a face, right,
they need a young star or somebody to draw attention
to him. And they still started him out on the bench,
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made him earn his position in the starting lineup, and
then when he was ready, they didn't hold him back.
So credit to them. But Colin over the last month
since he's been starting twenty points, seven assists, six rebounds,
and like forty two percent shooting from three. And that's
the thing nobody thought he could shoot. And here he comes,
(09:54):
hitting over forty percent from three. He's got the flare.
He's a great passer. I'm glad. Look, I'm glad somebody
he's going to be a star, because I think LaVar
would be insufferable if none of his kids became superstar.
So good for all of us that LaMelo looks like
the real deal. I thought you made a really smart
comment on this. He doesn't pick up his dribble, and
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that tells you that Lonzo is a little apprehensive about
his jumper. So Lonzo is a great dribbler, but he
picks it up because he's a little reticent to shoot
at three. LaMelo trusts his own shot, so he doesn't
pick that dribble up. He just gonna take it and
go score. So LaMelo is a much more aggressive player
than Lonzo, and I think a lot of that is
because he's a better shooter. Now let's segue to this.
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We know a d's great, but it is funny. Now
the Lakers are seven and one when Shrewder and Lebron
play and a D doesn't. And I was thinking about this.
I don't know if Joy and I were talking about this.
One of the little secrets last year to the Lakers
success is often brittle. A D got a four and
a half month in season hiatus, and if I'm the Lakers,
(10:59):
I'm sitting They're thinking, well, hell, if we have Shrewder
and this roster and Lebron, we're a one or two seed,
what's the rush to get ad back? Let's give him
another month and a half off. We know he missed
his twenty percent of his games as a pro. Chris,
I could make the argument, just do what you did
last year to lesser degree, give him, give him eight
to ten weeks off. Why not? Yeah, It's hard to disagree,
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and I gotta be honest. Even if Shrewder wasn't playing
well and the Lakers were still losing, or if Shooter
wasn't there, say he was hurt, still, I still would
take that approach with Anthony Davis because the two top
priorities for the Lakers are going into the playoffs are
Lebron and Anthony Davis as close to full health as possible, right,
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that's it. It's not your seed. It's not even you
want to be playing well, but even if you're not,
that's not the priority. It's just half those two close
to full health. Last year, they were three and five
in the bubble, and remember they couldn't hit a three
point shot and they couldn't stop a three point shot.
It was like they people were picking Houston and Portland
(12:08):
to beat the Lakers in the playoffs. But they had
those two guys at full health, playing near the top
of their games, and we know that they won the championship.
So I agree with you. I would just try let
a d rest. I mean, I wouldn't go too far
with it, but I would wait until he's basically one
hundred percent healthy and then get ready for the playoffs.
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I don't care if I fall to a four seed.
I don't think they will, but if that was the case,
I still would risk it just to be healthy. Yeah. Finally,
I led my show with us yesterday. I watched the
Bucks Clippers. At the end of the game. I watched
the second half and Giannis played very well, but once again,
Kawhi and Paul George were not great late. And it's
interesting with Kawhi is that in San Antonio, in Toronto,
(12:52):
the culture was set and he came in as sort
of a mercenary, get a basket, get a stop guy
and it worked. But in Los Ange to us, he's
more build a culture guy. Well he's not. There's two
ways to be a leader. You can be a verbal leader,
he's not. Or you can be a lead by example guy.
Well with load management, he's not always that either. Can
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I could you say about the Clippers a little bit
here is you know, they thought Kalli has never proven
you can build a culture around him. What he's proven
is that if the culture is built, he's a great
He's the icing to a really good cake. And that
maybe the Clippers if not delusional, we're asking him to
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do what he's really not as a person or a player. Now, look,
the evidence points to that. I mean, you remember saying
Antonio that was they had the Big three still Tim
duncan Ujanobli, Tony Parker, kawi Iver's twelve points that regular season.
Now he was the MVP of the finals, but he
wasn't a star by any stretch of the imagination. And
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you said it about Toronto, and let's face it, they
don't win that championship, certainly not if Kevin Durants healthy.
I don't even think they would it if Clay Thompson
is healthy. But still give him credit. He's got two rings.
But I agree with you because he's not a leader.
He's not a very communicative person, so he's certainly not
building a culture in a positive way. And last year
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we saw he really contributed to building a negative culture
there with the Clippers. I think he's a little better
this year, which is good, but I think it's something
else too, Colin. There are levels to this. We know this, right.
There are levels, and every time you reach one level,
now the question becomes okay, can you do it again?
Like Luca has established himself as a superstar, right, but
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now the question is okay, can you win? Can you
go deep in the playoffs? And then after that it'll
be can you win a championship with Kauai. I think
the next level for him to get to is can
you win with the pressure of high expectations because and
Antonio he wasn't under any pressure Toronto. He wasn't under
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any pressure because it was a one year rental and
nobody expected anything from the Raptors. All right. Now he
comes to the Clippers and now people are saying he's
better than Lebron. He's got billboards all over the place,
he's got his own shoe deal. It's his city, supposedly, right,
and now the pressure of expectations are on him. Credit Lebron.
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James Lebron has played with these expectations ninety five percent
of his career, if not the entire career. It's different.
All guys don't want those expectations of having to win
a championship or leave your team to a championship. So
I think that's the question too with Kauai. Does he
like these expectations because Colin he has been bad in
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the clutch these two years with the Clippers. He saw
it Sunday against the Bucks. It's been that way off season,
and it was that way last year against Denver in
the playoffs. Good stuff. Chris Bruce sort always appreciate it.
Fox Sports NBA analyst. He and Rob Parker the odd couple.
Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio every day, send at the seven
attend Eastern. It's got a lot of stick. It's funny
(16:10):
and they're great, a great listen, and I appreciate you
stopping by. Chris all right a man later. All right,
we'll go to Dallas before the end of the hour,
and Matt Mosley on the Jane Slater reporting, Dak wants
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your podcast from. Saturday on Fox the trucial Big East
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The league's top two contenders looked against some steam heading
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the Fox Sports App. I'm rooting for Jay Wright, nothing
(17:36):
against the other guys. I like him more though. You know.
He checked in with me with my crazy meltdown physically
a Jay Wright sent me a nice message. That's very nice.
So if you want to curry favor with me, whenever
I end up in a hospital, text me nice things
and I will root for your team and say wonderful things.
I text you lots of nice things. Well, I root
for you. Yeah you do. Yeah. And Jay Wright, a
(17:58):
lot of you coaches out there. You get bounced in
the tournament, I don't even care. We're gonna put you
in a bubble. So I don't have to worry about
this anymore. I gotta respond, Jersey Mikes, is it? What
day is it? Today? Today is Tuesday? So I don't
love Tuesdays. Wednesday though, Jersey Mike's day. Tuesdays don't do
a thing for me. U just order Jersey Mike's to
their app, no contact delivery or no contact to the door.
(18:19):
Pick up Jersey Mike's be a sub above. Joey Taylor
with the news. No, no, this is the herd Line News.
I'm so interested now to find out who who texts you?
You can't. But it's a lot of Chris Ballard he took.
He was very you know, very nice. I don't want
to ask you on air. I think out people now
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ask you off air else Well, you think you know
guys on his deathbed, you'd at least say hi, Colin.
But no big deal. I'm not bitter, don't hold grudges.
A lot of people were very concerned about I know.
I'm just glad you're back. I'm doing just fine. So
Dak Prescott and the Cowboys are stuck in what feels
like never ending contract negotiations. I don't remember a point
in my career where I talked more about someone's Oh,
(19:02):
there's never been never contracts ever, There's never been anything
like that, because generally it's not really that interesting. It's
always boring, right, and this is very interesting because it's
so late. Well and you can always take sides, like
with Patrick Mahomes, you'd be like, just pay him, that'd
be stupid not to right, like or with Trubisky you're like,
let's not pick up the oction, let's move on. Yeah,
it's usually very clear what should happen. And then you
(19:23):
get into the debate of like should they be paid
this much more or not? But you definitely either feel
like they should be paid or shouldn't. And then so
you have two different camps with Dak, and it's the Cowboys,
but the other thing is now Dak wants big boy money,
so now he's creating another layer of like argument. This
is why it's a good topic. It gets a number
every time I talk about because there really are two
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sides to this story, right, So, and I found that
rich Jane Slater gave a little bit more insight, And
so why they haven't come to an agree me yet.
Last year's money was in the ballpark of Russell Wilson
slash Jared Goff type money. Now he's looking to be
paid right behind Patrick Mahomes, a guy who's gone to
the Super Bowl two years in a row. Dak hasn't
done that yet, So they feel like it's been a
(20:04):
respectable offer. His camp believes that he needs to bear
what the market value is, and they feel like this
deal should have gotten done two years ago. So your
problems with money aren't our problems. It's about respect. I'm
so conflicted about this because I've always been on Dak's
side in this conversation dud By. The way Dak talks
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about respect, that's a big thing for guys. Do women
talk about respect? Yes, Okay, because guys it's a big
deal all the time. Okay, so you guys do that too,
respect Well, I mean, because I think respect is measured
in actions and in words, how you treat someone with
like That's why Deshaun Watson feels disrespected. He was paid respectively,
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but he wasn't treated with respect, and he doesn't feel
like other people around him were treated with respect. So
respect is very layered. It's not just a wreck thing like, Okay,
we've paid you, therefore you've been respected. Like there's a
lot of nuance to it. I feel like that disrespect
started when they signed Ezekiel Elliott and got that contract done.
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Before they got their franchise quarterback contract done, there weren't
that many questions about what Dak was capable of. Why
would you do that contract first before the quarterback, because
at that point you could have gotten him on a
much more reasonable deal. But then as time went on,
it's like, no, I'm actually extremely valuable. Now it becomes
a conversation of how valuable Patrick Mahomes. Everyone understood that contract,
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but what Patrick Mahomes has accomplished plays a huge role
on and then we all have eyeballs and can see
how talented he is as well. Obviously, it's getting very
complicated for me to do to assess this because I
obviously feel like he should be paid, And who am
I to tell someone to take less money. I think
you should do whatever you want with your career. What
I would do is take a slightly more reasonable deal,
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especially after coming off of this type of injury. Same
here and take it. He just wants a shorter deal
in Dallas, is willing to give that part. I'm on
his side on he should be able to get to
They should move on the one year deal, the one
that he wants a four year they want a five year.
Move on the one year pay him because the thing
about it is, while while he was on this rookie contract.
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You had all the money to sign on these players
and bringing all this talent, you guys didn't make it happen.
Dak's not the GM, Dak's not the owner. That's not
on him to put all the pieces around him to
make him successful. I guaranteed Jerry saying you've made seventy
five million in indorsements, you wouldn't do that with the Jags.
You got to con that's right. Jerry's sales pitches. Russell
Wilson's made fifteen million indorsements, You've made seventy. You got
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to take that now that that's hard to hear from
a billionaire. But here is the reality. Billion or salary caps.
Though like players salary cap, this is MLB payment whatever,
four hundred million dollars. You can't tell me you're not
gonna pay me because you have it. But this is
a salary cap situation and you have to fit in
other players. And to your point, you are not going
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to get those endorsement deals if you're somewhere else. So
you know, Patrick Mahomes make makes forty five million annually,
DeShawn Watson makes thirty nine, so he's looking for somewhere
assumably in the forty million dollar range. And you know,
when you look down with what those other guys have accomplished.
Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Mahomes is a super Bowl.
Russell Wilson as a super Bowl. We all think, well
(23:19):
not all of us, You and I think Roethlisberger is
should hang it up. But he has two Jared Goff
played and one. Aaron Rodgers has one. What kind of
company are are you in? Jane's later just tweeted an update.
I'm told Dak's been at the facility nearly every day rehabbing,
so must not be that contentious, folks. Secondly, Stephen Jones
and Todd Fans have been talking and they are good talks.
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Still nothing meaningful here, but they're better than they've been.
So maybe maybe one day we'll get to this contract.
So Trevor Lawrence is only a couple of weeks into
his recovery from left shoulder surgery and he's already getting
good rehab work in He posted a few pictures that
showed him lifting weights and working with a physical therapist
and added the caption day by day, Now look at
(24:04):
that picture that looks like a number one pick. He's
standing next to a man who appears to be a
normal sized man. Well, Trevor Lawrence is six six. Yeah,
look at Trevor Lawrence's by the way, that's what a
number one pick looks like. He doesn't look like anybody
in your family. I mean, look at his chest, look
at his size, look at his That is what a
(24:25):
number one pick. I'm sorry, but I Zach Wilson at
BYU looks skinny to me. Okay, but we've seen skinny,
undersized guys be very successful outliers, obviously Tom Brady being
one of them. He wouldn't appreciate that. Well, he was
a fifth round I wouldn't pick Tom Brady number one.
That's right. Yes, I'm glad that his This is the
thing now, you know, I think when guys first started
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posting like rehab and training videos and workout videos, it
was kind of like made fun of, and now it's
kind of necessary, like everyone wants updates on your progress
and what you're doing in the off season. But glad
that his rehab is coming along nicely and you've been
in physical therapy. Stink, so you know how I got
it tomorrow at three? It stinks it's worse. It's the worst.
(25:09):
The injury itself is bad, right, it could be painful,
but the rehab is really what drains your spirit. It's exhausted,
it is exhausted, and it's it's crucial. So, by the way,
if you have an injury, go get physical therapy. Guys
hate to do it. Do it at times. What happens
is you don't get the proper physical therapy and don't
take it seriously, and then you I talked to a
doctor yesterday, doctor Thomas Lowe's a great doctor, and he
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was saying, yeah, skied a couple of years ago. I
banged up my shoulder. I didn't take care of it.
He's kind of healed by itself. And I thought, you're
a doctor. But by the way it shows you, we're guys.
We're like banged up. We got written. Now as a
pro athlete, you have to do rehab. Your teeth, it's
still there's still human beings like it is to your point,
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it's exhausting to do rehab. It's like another job. Now
when you're pro athlete, obviously it is your job to rehab,
and the same way it would be your job to train.
Is my doctor going to be mad at me because
I said his name. He's a brilliant doctor, that's what
he's brilliant, literally brilliant. But he was talking about a
ski accident. Well maybe he just sees his doctor. I'm
sure he's very busy, so he didn't feel like doing it.
But it's funny. Oh god. I didn't want to rehab
when I tore my acl, I was like, I am
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not I don't feel like doing anything. I didn't rehab
until my wife literally said, you can't sleep on your
left side. Something's wrong with your body. Get it fixed.
I had to be taught. I was in so much
pain I couldn't go on my left side. And I
was like, yeah, it just say'll go away. My wife's like, yes,
seven months it hasn't gone away. Don't be an Indian. Yeah,
guys are weird. See, I don't have the pain capacity
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for that. If I'm uncomfortable for five minutes, I'm like
all right, Oh not me. I'm a warrior. So finally,
LaMelo Ball continues to impress his rookie year. He averaged
twenty points, six point two rebounds and six point seven
assists in the month of February with those numbers, he
became only the third teenager to play at least ten
games in the calendar month and average at least twenty points,
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six rebounds, and six assists per game in that stretch.
He's in pretty good company, only two others to do it,
one being Luca Dante's and Lebron James. Yeah, I mean
it's he's surprised me. I thought he was really flashy,
and I thought, yeah, I've seen his brother's plays a
little bit of sizzle, not enough steak for me. Then
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he's he really is when you watch him play. I
don't watch a lot of Charlotte stuff, but the times
I watched an off NBA, he's aggressive. Offensively, he's got
you can tell by the way he plays. He thinks
he's a great offensive player. And that, by the way,
that's a big chunk of it. I'm not a huge bragger, um,
you know. If I'm wrong, I usually just kind of
ignore it and then it go go away. Yeah, but
(27:41):
I'm pretty proud about how right right you called this one.
I think I deserve this one. This one, Hey, that's right.
A couple of experts here and get it right. We
want to hear about it. Yeah, you know, joy with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the Herd line. You know, I was thinking about
that JJ Watt situation. Um. It's it's well documented now
that younger general managers in the National Football League are
(28:03):
more willing to trade than older general managers. It's cultural.
The young g the less needs. You know, they're they're
they're they're gonna go out, Howie Roseman. The young gms
are much more about making trades and making deals. The
old GM's not as much. What's also happening in coaching
is a young coaches Sean McVay, Cliff Kingsbury, um, um,
(28:28):
Green Bay's coach Lafleur. They're not going to grind you
as much as at practice as a Belichick now. And
the Bruce arians is an old coach who thinks young.
He's not a grinder at practice either. And I do
wonder what JJ Watt players sell players on culture. James
Harden was talked into coming to Brooklyn by k D.
(28:50):
A d was talking to coming by Lebron Players talk
to players, stars talk to stars, and I do think
DeAndre Hopkins admitted he sold j J. Watt well what
he sell them on. Did he sell them on we
win super bowls here? No? Oh, we finished first last year. Well, no,
we are best coach easily in the division. No. What
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he sold him on his culture and the culture in
Arizona with young Cliff Kingsbury, is we don't grind you
every day at practice. It's about Sundays. And I think
that's powerful. I think Nick Saban's ready smart at this
and that's not a knock. By the way, McVeigh was
the first coach to come out and say preseason is stupid.
I'm not going to play any of my good players
in the preseason. And he got criticized for it. Oh,
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September October they went eight No, So basically mcvay's culture
was the preseason. I'm not going to play any of
my good players in the preseason. It has no relevance.
He didn't, and now everybody's copied them. None of the
good teams play their players in preseason, very many snaps.
Mcvay's also a believer in this game is hard enough.
We don't need to wear pads all the time, and
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they've cut back on wearing pads. The Rams are known
as an easier practice team. They're intense, short practices. They
don't keep you out there forever. So Nick Saban's really
good at the Saban is legendary. Saban is very pro player.
He's brutal on his coaches. He is just eats his
coaches alive. They can't get out of them in the
(30:17):
minute they get a job offer at Arby's, they're out
of there. Why because Nick's smart. He knows players sell players.
That's why Alabama's recruiting z always great because the players
are like, oh Nick, he loves us man. Nick's great.
Saban's legendary with his players. Always defends his player. He'll
barking him once or twice, you know, a season on
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the sideline. But he's tough on coaches. And because coaches
they come and go, but those players they sell your program,
not only when they play, but when they leave. And
so I think a lot of the JJ Watt thing
is DeAndre Hopkins sold him on the culture, and the
culture is very pro player. We don't grind in the preseason,
we don't grind you at practice. And let's be honest
(30:58):
with JJ Watt. He's got a one hundred fifty million bucks,
he's got a Hall of fame career. He didn't want to.
He shows up on Sunday and places these guys don't
need JJ Watt doesn't need to be getting banged up
in practice. And I do think if you look at
mcvay's ability to attract free agents, I think the words
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out with the Rams. It is very pro player and
we don't live by this old school nonsense that crushing
in practice matters. Bruce Arians, by the way, it's very attractive.
Brady comes down. Not a lot of people saying no
to Bruce Arians and free agency, and Brady's a grinder,
by the way. But Bruce is about Sunday. Let's get
it right on Sunday, all right. Matt Mosey's around the corner.
(31:40):
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wherever you get your podcast from. He's covered the Cowboys
for seventeen years. He's my friend, and all sorts of
stuff's happening here. James Slater reporting stuff on DAK and
they want big money. And I thought, let's call Matt
(32:44):
Moseley Cowboys insider, and he is joining us. He only
takes us, only takes his glasses off for one interview
in America, folks, it's our show, that's it. Glary is
right there. So I said this morning, Dak's gone from
dependable and devote to maybe a little delusional. When I
see these numbers, I'm like, DAK thirty seven thirty eight
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million are Cowboy fans in the world in which you live?
Are there Cowboy fans that are like Ben Dak supporters,
but now question them a little you know, they may
question him a little bit, but they you know, Cowboys
fans have seen the alternative when they don't have a quarterback,
and I just don't see anyway. It is crazy that
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it's gotten this point. It's totally Jerry's fault, but it's
it's Jerry who in the end will make this right.
You've spent time with Jerry, You've interviewed him, He found
you know, Romo. They lucked out on this fourth round,
picked Dak. They can talk big, but they wanted Connor
Cook and the tall guy Paxton Lynch. I mean, those
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are the people that they really wanted. And when you
watch these throws, and I know, Colin, for some reason,
you dream of Andy Dalton back in the pocket for
the Cowboys next season. But I this is this is
the guy that will be here for the next six
to seven years. And what he's done is he's put
Jerry in a corner. Jerry's admitted it to a certain extent,
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and so he's pushed him into a corner. So he's
got ultimate leverage. Jerry sort of admitted that, and so
while we can go, oh my gosh, thirty seven thirty
eight million dollars a year, that is where the market is,
and that is what he would get on the open market.
So Jerry will have to pay up. But it is
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really remarkable that has gotten this far. Did you when
Russell Wilson named the Cowboys in his four how did
that play in Dallas? You know, there was our pulse quickened, like, oh,
Russell running around and all that kind of stuff. But
then I think I think there was a little bit
(34:56):
of disrespect that came into the play, like like, really,
Agent's gonna say Cowboys with Dak hasn't gotten his day.
You know, that's a that's a huge fraternity, the quarterback fraternity.
And so while it sounds kind of fun, I mean,
Russell is incredible. I mean, you know that area better
than any one. You know, when he's throwing the deep ball,
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but Pete made him hand it off. And I do
sort of believe some of that athletic story. You know,
somebody anonymously said, is this guy trying to save face
a little bit? You know what would give me pause
about Russell Wilson is just this all this talk about
Colin legacy. I worry about quarterbacks. I love the guy.
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He's inspirational. He inspires me. I mean, that's Super Bowl
a few years ago. I would just go hear him
like he was a motivational speaker. It was like I
was going to see Tony Robbins or something. I would
have walked on hot coals for this man. But I'm
telling you there's something that rubbed me wrong about that
whole story. Someone that is enamored with their own legacy, Colin,
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you don't sit around thinking about, oh, what's my legacy.
You're thinking about what a restaurant can I open tomorrow?
What what can I do? So this bothers me about
Russell Wilson. It would if the Cowboys could trade Dak.
Is Russell Wilson better than Dak? You bet? Dak though,
is what six years younger, and it has his career
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ahead of him. And you saw him, You saw those
pictures of him, those yeezis or the those shoes he
was in people. I mean weeks ago, people in Dallas
had him barely living. I mean, oh my gosh, will
he ever walk again? And he looks great? So I
just as fun as all this is to talk about
and lord knows, I'll write more about it on Fox
(36:45):
sports dot com. But this deal has to get done Jerry.
This would be the biggest embarrassment of his career. That's
really saying something. I mean, I there's you know, there
have been some things, but collegue, can you name anyone
Jerry has ever let get away that he would have
(37:07):
deep regrets about. Maybe maybe Sean Payton, maybe you could
talk about some of these coaches that have gone on
to do really nice things. But as as far as
a player, he's never not got you know, been able
to get something done. Yeah, So I don't I don't
think about all this. Oh my gosh, thirty seven. Oh
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he wants a little I mean, can you imagine can
you imagine that being said by An Asia, Hey, we
want just a little bit less than Patrick's forty five
million a year or whatever. That deal does what he wants,
and he should probably, you know, Cowboys should do this.
They should do an MBA type deal where he gets
a three year, big time deal. I kind of like that.
(37:50):
I kind of like some of that instead of just
giving that to the tom Brady's or the Rivers at
the end of their careers. Why do these young guys
not maybe go that this team wants to spread it.
I get that people like Mosley. What about the salary cap?
I think I think the I think that if he
could really get a short term deal, I mean, that
would be great. And then the Cowboys have I mean
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the pressure on Mike McCarthy and everybody else. You've got
three years to get your super Bowl. I mean, I've
really talked myself into this just since I've been on
with you. Well, how is we got a couple of
minutes left hot You know, Jerry tends to give his
coach as an extra year. Is McCarthy on any hot
seat if he started one and four? Yeah? Yeah, I
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think I think one and four you're looking for an
interim coach? Wow? And and you're looking I mean, I'm
just saying that that talk will start. I've only seen
Jerry do it once. He Wade Phillips. He fired him midseason,
and that is how Garrett proved himself. He's done it before.
If they get off, if Dad's back and Dad's right,
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and they you know, they bring They've brought in Quinn
and you have the interim coach because Quinn's been a
head coach, so you have that part of it set up.
So I mean, again, I don't that's a very nasty,
negative hypothetical. You've set me down that path. Color. But
I would say if they start one and four kind
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of like last season, it's hot seat time in Texas
because there is no Garrett always had the family connection.
Jason's gonna come to Thanksgiving with a family we love
you well, but it's not that way. It's not that
way with McCarthy. There is no deep relationship. But the
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only thing saving McCarthy from truly being on the hot
seat is Jerry hates more than anything to that he's
made a mistake, Okay, and that's why that's why Dak.
I mean, he's gonna be back. And by the way,
some leverage is about to take place. You will see
some major draft, some quarterback draft talk. Okay, Um, that's
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that's gonna that's gonna that's gonna come up. Uh you
know what are they gonna do at ten? And that's
that's a lot of that will be to kind of
rile up a little bit the Prescott camp. Okay, I
see that coming and uh, and that's coming. I'm gonna
help that process and we'll write some stuff about it.
See if I can inch that down the road. But
that is what is coming, all right. Um, Hey, good
(40:24):
luck to Baylor. You can put your sunglasses on again now,
which you take off for about six minutes today when
you're on our show, And good luck to your Baylor Bears.
They're um, they're okay, they're pretty good defensively. Don't get
ahead of yourself there, I gotta get going here, Mosley.
It's good talking to you. Really enjoyed it. That's a
that's a two pm Pacific start. That's a great, great,
great game today. Okay, thank you, Colin. You've got big
(40:46):
twelve basketball, Matt Mosley. Baylor Bears. He graduated from there.
It's a fine university. And they play real defense there,
man and man and get in your face a little bit.
Very athletic. Gon Zach is the best offensive team. Baylor's
the best defensive team. I pride to myself I'm being
a pesky defender. Did you not me? It's mostly because
I was small, and honestly, I don't think I went
(41:06):
to that side of the floor. Yeah, I made James
Harden look like a great defensive player. This is a
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