March 3, 2021 • 41 mins
Why do people want Tom Brady to retire?
JJ Watt made the right chose going to the Cardinals
Chris Paul is a leader who knows how to win
The Jets have put up the for sale sign up for Sam Darnold
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as they do on Wednesday. It's great heavy. George Taylor
is joining us. I am gonna defend Tom Brady righteously,
he said, I really, I know it's it's not really
a I can always leave with Brady, right, but yeah,
we can always do it. Brady. Gizelle is starting to
get under my skin. Oh okay, that's what we're doing. Yeah.
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What is it about women not letting us have fun? Oh? Okay,
I mean, life is I mean, you can have all
the funny what. So Tom Brady was a Super Bowl
He's on James Cordon, right, funny talk show guy. And
he's on the show, and James Cordon asked him about
right after he won the Super Bowl, and here's Brady.
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All of a sudden, I see my oldest son run
over to me dad, you know, and I gave big
high I saw my you know, my two little ones,
and all of a sudden, I saw my wife and
I gave her a big hug. And just as I
did it, she says, what more do you have to prove?
It's not about that. Let me speak for guys a little.
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It's not about that. Some of it's just it's fun
to hang out with guys and laughs and camaraderie. When
all these guys retired, they all hate practice, you know
what they miss just to laugh with other funny alpha
males and inappropriate, stupid guys in the locker room. And
we all got a little meathead in us. It's not
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about proving stuff. Gizelle's gonna model until you know, in
her sixties or seventies. What does she have to prove?
Is she gonna get more beautiful? I don't know. She
just likes doing It's fun, fun to feel good about yourself.
You know, here's something that I talked about briefly yesterday,
so coincidental, this was a topic. Twenty four hours in
a day. You sleep eight, that means there's sixteen hours
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left in the day to do stuff. And remember, if
you're a successful athlete, you're wealthy. And if you're wealthy,
wealthy people don't have to do the mindless crap you
and I do to fill out their day. Yesterday, Greg Twoey,
producer on My show, had a flat tire, had to
go to three tire store, still couldn't get it fixed.
Wasted two and a half hours. I was booking airline flights.
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I'm on Delta dot com. I'm on the phone listening.
Wasted ninety five minutes of my life. And Brady's not
doing that, James Harden's not doing that, Kevin Duran's not
doing that, Lebron's not doing that. They got a staff
from the time of season ends to the time camp starts.
His five months, he's got six homes, a private jet,
and a staff. That's sixteen hours a day. You can
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be a great dad and a great family man is
a professional athlete, and you can be a great professional athlete.
You can do both at the same time. Now, if
you're a CEO, I always say best jobs in the
world are great athletes. It's not a CEO. It's not
Elon Musk. Elon Musk is on the clock every day,
a great surgeon's on the clock every day, a great
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attorney's on the clock every day. A CEO for our
company on the clock every day. Pro athletes get time off.
They get time off, They get more free stuff than
other rich people. Tom Braden pay for anything. They have
free stuff all the time. So this idea that you
can be a great athlete or you can be a
great family person. He's got sixteen hours a day. And
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by the way, by the time your kids get to
be fourteen, they don't want to hang out with you
all day anyway. Did you want to hang out with
your parents when you were fourteen and fifteen? I didn't.
What is this rush to get Brady out of football?
What's this rush to get athletes out of football? Peyton
Manning retired. He is so bored. He's doing a comedy
show on ESPN Plus and another show where he watches film.
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He's bored out of his mind. How many rounds of
golf can you do? Nobody's telling Meryl Streep, she's got
to retire. Nobody's telling Hanks or Denzel they got to retire.
In fact, I went to the top five grossing bands
of twenty nineteen, Elton John mid seventies, Metallica, they're around
rolling stones. What nobody's telling then to retire. You can
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be a great athlete and you can be a great
family guy. It's not just about what do you need
to prove? That's part of it. You like to prove
people wrong. I like to prove people wrong. I had
a lot of doubters join I bounced around the country.
We've had critics and doubted fun to stick at Tom
But in the end, this is fun. We're off at noon.
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They have paid. Well, you're off at noon. You're never
going to get this camaraderie back when I retire. I'm
not going to get a sit in a room for
two hours. I've said this before. I like creating the
show as much as I like doing the show. I
just like being curious and getting ideas and building little rants.
So I mean Gazelle's great and everything, But can we
slow down on this. Tom Brady's also a guy. He's
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Philip Rivers has a little bit of this in him.
He likes practice. Brady's into football practice. Most guys aren't.
It's tedious. I briefly played high school football. Football practice
is hard. It's what I grew up on the coast
of Washington. It's wet, you get hit, it's it's just awful.
Of course, I was in small high school showers and
it was, you know, not great facilities. But a football
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practice is generally no fun. And Brady loves football practice,
so I don't understand the rush. He's got sixteen hours
a day after sleep. How long can you jet ski?
How many times can you ride a horse in Costa Rica?
Football's fun, and you know, and it's really fun when
you're winning Super Bowls. Don't give it up. My theory
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on life, find stuff that makes you happy and do
it over and over and over and over again. And
that's a great life. I tell my kids all the time,
what makes you happy? My son loves tech, do tech
a lot, hang out with people who talk tech. I
hear him on his little computer upstairs, laughing all the time.
There's little buddies. They can't be together during the pandemic.
But they're just talking about the silliest stuff and I
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don't get any of it. And it's silly to me,
and it's tech stuff. It makes him happy. So do
it over and over and over again. Tom Brady, let
me knock down a beer. There yet a little drunk,
one of little sideways off the rails. But that's not
who he is. Who he is is a family guy
and a football guy, and there's time for both. Okay.
So jj Watt, as predicted, has acknowledged that a big
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reason he went to Arizona was lifestyle. But one of
the other the reasons jj Watt went to Arizona was
Kyler Murray, the quarterback, and jj Watt said as much yesterday.
She's been a winner at every stage of his life.
And that's not a coincidence. You're a winner because of
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the way that you work, and because of the aura
that you give off, and because of the talent that
you have. And I think that he has all of
those things, and he's going to continue to win and
continue to have success. And that's a part of the
reason that I'm here. I told him yesterday in Texas.
I'm here because I believe in you, and so I'm here.
You have to have a quarterback in this league to
have a chance, and he's our guy, and I'm looking
forward to going out there and playing with him. It's
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interesting when you look at the passing stats first year
to second year, Kyler Murray approved a little bit, and
it reminds me of my phone bill. I have a
phone bill that's eight hundred and nine hundred dollars a month,
and that seems outrageous. And for almost all of my
life that was outrageous. But then phones changed, and now
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my Rolodex is on my phone, my alarm clock's on
my phone. All six kids have a phone I pay
for wife's got a phone. I've got a phone. I
book travel on my phone, my calendars on my phone.
I buy food on my phone. I order Christmas presents
on my phone. So nine hundred dollars from my phone
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bill used to be ridiculous. Now it's a steal. That's
all I paid to do all that in my phone.
That's Kyler Murray. Don't look at his quarterback stats. You
have to look at what he provides that other quarterbacks
can't and never did. If you look at his quarterback stats,
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they barely went up, but you know went up wins five,
ten and one to eight and eight. You know it
up his rushing yards and touchdowns forty percent. He went
from twenty four touchdowns total touchdowns to thirty seven, seventh
best in the NFL. The other six ahead of him
are all great quarterbacks. The six ahead of him are
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Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Brady, Russell, Wilson Mahomes, Tannehill, and
then Kyler Murray. He is a non traditional quarterback. And
my phone bill now isn't like my phone bill for
the first fifty years of my life. In the last
seven eight years, I do so much with my phone.
I feel like I'm stealing it for under a thousand
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dollars a month. It's everything. It's my guest booker and
my calendar, and it's my FaceTime. I was telling Joy
the other day outside of the television, do you understand
the value I get on FaceTime? I talk to my
kids every single day right next to me. Everything's on
my phone. I buy food, I buy clothes, I book vacation.
I do everything on my phone. I watch movies, when
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I fly on my phone, it's my television, it's my computer,
it's everything. And so when you look at this kid,
don't look at just the passing stuff. In the NFL history,
the league history, there's two quarterbacks who have had twenty
five passing touchdowns and ten plus rushing touchdowns. He's one
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of them. He's a completely non traditional quarterback. And I
agree with J. J. Watt. You can win a Super
Bowl with Kyler Murray. You can. Don't look at the
passing stats he is. That's not what he's about. That
that's not just what he's about. There's another dimension that's
probably forty percent of his game that virtually nobody else
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in league history can provide. Throw it and run it.
He can do it with anybody ever in this league.
All Right, So you know it's funny. I like the
NBA and stuff, but sometimes I always make fun of
Slam Magazine. The guys that are on the cover of
Slam Magazine don't necessarily win games. They sell magazines. It's
the same thing you ever see, like People magazine. I
don't I don't watch. Sometimes I go to the grocery
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store and I see People magazine. You know who's never
on the cover of People magazine. The great actors. Never
see Ed Norton or Don Cheatle on the cover of
People magazine. It's always bad actors who can sell magazines
but can't act. I never see Mark Ruffalo, He's never
on the cover of People magazine. Julia Roberts occasionally was
her life got controversial for an hour. I don't see
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here on it much either, But it's always like Lindsay Lohan,
You're on there all the time, and I takeaway as
it's the same thing in the NBA. There's a player
in the NBA, he's never gonna put him and sell
a magazine. He's never good on highlights, he's never captivating,
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he's not any good on YouTube. But take Lebron out.
He is the most invaluable player in the NBA and
has been four years. Talk about that coming up. Be
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a nick right today. So I watched the Lakers Suns
game last night. Devin Booker got thrown out, which usually
for Phoenix last year would have meant an automatic loss.
And yet they beat the Lakers. That's what now Phoenix
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does all the time because Chris Paul showed up. Chris
Paul after Lebron James is the single most influential player
in the NBA. I know he's not cool or lit,
He's not even likable. And I love him. He's not
even likable. He's not vertical mid range guy. Phoenix hasn't
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made the playoffs in eleven years. The last three PRECP
three years, they were the worst team in the West
seventy four one hundred and sixty three. Chris Paul arrives.
They now are second in the West with the same roster.
Last night, Devin Booker got thrown out. DeAndre Ayton said,
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Chris Paul took over the huddles. Here's what followed the CPS.
A guy's who who leads vocally. Man, He's always on
his shown us the little things on how to win,
the small details that count, especially today's game, um, you know,
losing the book. Uh, you know, he sat us down
in the hole and made us made sure we oh
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when you have to do winning plays and you know
there's no mistakes, and you know when when the game's
junkie like this, you know, just to keep our head
and you know, us as young players, we just want
to listen. And you know it's contagious the way I
approached the game. So you know, it's a blessing. Chris
Paul joined your team. You win, he leaves, you lose.
Only other player you can say that about in the NBA.
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Only other player is Lebron James. Oklahoma City got rid
of him because they were trying to tank and he
made him win too much. He's the anti Zach Levine.
Zach Levine is vertical and flashy and hits threes and
bunches and gets hot and is streaky and is a
blast to watch. And his winning percentage is thirty one percent,
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lowest in the league for a player with three hundred games.
Zach maybe the greatest guy in the world. Never makes
anybody better. Two weeks ago, rookie Anthony Edwards had a
filthy dunk on the baseline plays to the t Wolves.
Twitter exploded, Oh my god, that's unbelievable. You know what
else was unbelievable. Anthony Edwards went oh for seven in
that game on threes, three for fourteen from the floor
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and a plus minus of negative thirteen. That's also pretty unbelievable,
But hey, he was cool. Chris Paul's never cool. When
he was with Blake Griffin, all I heard for years
was he is holding Blake Griffin down. Since the divorced,
Blake Griffin has not won a playoff game Chris Paul's
won twenty but he doesn't sell any issues of Slam magazine.
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I'm not sure he can dunk. There's a real John
Stockton quality to him. He's sort of annoying. He's not
always likable. He's kind of snarky and snarly at times.
He is Stockton, who I think is the third or
fourth best point guard, Magic's best. After that, we can
argue about all of them. But I love Chris Paul.
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I loved him at Wake Forrest. I loved him with
the Clippers. I think he's as smart as anybody in
the NBA, not a shock many say his best friend
in the league is Lebron James. Not as big, as
as strong, not as talented. But Chris Paul can be
on the cover of my magazines. Ed Norton's not going
to be on people either, as Don Cheadle because they have,
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you know, their act together. So does Chris Paul. Joy
Taylor with the news No, no, no, this is the
herd line news. The Bears only have Nick Foles under
contracts at the quarterback position going into the twenty twenty
one season. It's embarrassing, and he's reportedly in the mix
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to be the starter, but GM Ryan Pace says the
team is considering all of their options right now. For us,
everything is on the table in regard to the quarterback situation,
and honestly, that includes players on our current roster, that
includes free agency, trade, the draft, in a combination of
all those. So we haven't we have a plan in place,
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and now it's about executing that plant. They haven't figured
the quarterback out since said luckman, I'm not gonna hold
my breath. They have the twentieth pick in the draft,
so that's not really an ideal position to be taking
a quarterback at is a terrible there's because Mac Jones,
who I don't think it's gonna be a big hit,
but he'll be gone by like twelve thirteen. They gonna
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have to be aggressive and move up. They have six
total picks in the draft, so if they want a
quarterback at the high end of the draft, they're gonna
have to do a lot to move up. The problem is,
you know, we talked about this all the time. At
the beginning of the season, we were like, this is
the year, there's not any team that needs a quarterback,
and then by the end of the season, there's like
twelve who are in the mix. I've said this before.
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I've never figured out Wisconsin football. Wisconsin football has been
great for thirty years. They're just a great program. They
can never get the quarterback right. Russell Wilson one year
and like, how can Wisconsin and not have a five
star quarterback every year? And I said the same thing
about the Bears. How can you be in this magnificent
American city. You're in one of the great rivalries, you
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have a lot of money, it's a great place to live.
Well called in the winner. But uh, and you can ever,
they haven't had a quarterback. They don't get the quarterback
right ever, except said Luckmooton, that's like seventy years. I
mean you could say the same about the Dolphins. Yeah,
but I mean but they had it right by the
way in that right for a long time, for twenty
years in the seventies and eighties. But it's been a struggle.
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Was a little bit that Jake Plummer was pretty interesting.
Peyton Manning was darned good. Yeah, I mean, like moments,
I don't know, it's an unfortunate position to never be
able to get right. You know, if you're the Patriots.
I'd prefer to not be able to draft a wide
receiver over not being able to figure out what the
quarterback position. Although I think that the all time outlier
Lucky taking Tom Brady in the sixth round. He turns
out to be the greatest quarterback of all time. But
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I don't I don't know what the Bears can do
outside of a trade. I mean, if I'm the Bears,
aren't you just going all in to try and get
I'm darnold at this point. I'm just gonna say this
right now. The last segment of today's show is is
gonna be one of my favorites, Okay, because I'm gonna
take every team that's been in a quarterback rumor situation.
There's like thirteen and I'm gonna tell you Labor Day
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who's the starting quarterback? And you'll guess where I'm gonna
go With Chicago, I'm gonna take everybody. I'm gonna take Seattle, Dallas,
I'm gonna take the Niners. I'm gonna take you know, obviously,
the Jets and the Jet I'm gonna predict. I'm gonna
I'm gonna put it out there today. Today is my thing.
This is what who is starting? Because I don't like
doing mock drafts with trades in them. Guy, I refuse
to do that because it's nonsense. I'm not gonna go
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in here just make stuff up. So when I said
Kyle Pitts is going second to the Jets, I know
he's not because they're gonna either trade the pick and
move down. But it's like, I'm not gonna do But today, officially,
I'm gonna circumvent that. I'm gonna predict the thirteen teams
that may I'm a new quarterback. Who will they have?
And I'll give you one tease, Bears, I'll have Nick Foles.
The popperm is the separation between the great quarterbacks and
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average quarterbacks has widened, and the need for a great,
competent quarterback has accelerated. And you saw that in the
super Bowl this year. Who was in the super Bowl
the greatest quarterback a quarterback and Patrick Moomes, who everyone
pretty much agrees is the greatest player in the league.
You need a great quarterback. So Baker Mayfield showed some
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growth in his third NFL season. It was also his
first with head coach Kevin Stefanski, who was expecting even
more from Baker as he continues to get comfortable in
the offense. I would just tell you I know he
can continue to get better. He's another person that is
eager to get better. You know, he's chomping at the bit.
And when he walks in this building or we virtually
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see him next, we'll make sure that we outline some
things that he can improve upon. But I think you
all know this about Baker. He works really really hard
at his crap and I think that's something when you
when you do that, you got a chance. I'm excited
about the future of the Browns. So his numbers last year,
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we're thirty five hundred passing yards, twenty six touchdowns, eight pick,
sixty three percent completion percentage. That is his ceiling. I
wish we'd stopped that. Was with the best offensive line
in the NFL, the best running back duo, and going
eight no in your out of division games because they
played the crappy NFC East and the weird and goofy
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AFC South. This year they play Mahomes Division. But you
don't think they'll win the division this year? No, No,
it's not a shot. I think Baker, I think we've
I think it's between the Browns and the Ravens. I'm
gonna have a little dark horse team this year in
the NFL. Well, I'm saying for their division. I know,
I know what you're saying. Hey, all the Cleveland people
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who hate me, can you at least admit this? Uncle
Colin's been right for three straight years. In all of
this crime you have, I have not missed on anything
you have, and I'm not missing on this one. None.
Gay feel really good about it. I'm not banking on Baker.
I always had Bakers the franchise quarterback. I just said
his ceiling is slightly better than Case Keenum. And if
you look at Baker's numbers last year, they're not pan
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Baker or anything. Best to line, best running backs, easy schedule.
Those numbers are exactly Case Keenum's best year, and he's
better than Case, but not by a mile. So James
Harden returns to Houston's to Night for the first time
since being traded by the Nets, and despite the shaky
ending to his time with the Rockets, he hopes the
fans will give him a warm welcome back. Should He said,
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I hope I'm received with love, the love and appreciation
that I've given to that city, and then I still
give to that city. I'm hoping that the favor can
be returned. Should be. Now I'm reading this story and
I'm like, wait a minute, we're still in a pandemic,
So what are we talking about fans? But there's fans there.
They're allowing twenty five percent capacity at Toyota Center, which
like actually kind of in a weird way, it made
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me happy. I'm like, Okay, so if there are fans
that want to cheer or booth, they're actually going to
be there to do that, because we wouldn't even this
wouldn't even be a story otherwise, don't know why He'll
be roughly around, Yeah, I mean, like would I boot
de Shawn Watson and Houston? Like he's done with the nonsense.
He moved on, and I think James Harden looked at
it and said, and by the way, James, I didn't
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like the way he kind of bullied his way out
of the team. I didn't love that, But I know
the problem with him wanting to leave. I just didn't
like the way that he handled it right right, I
And there's there's ways to handle it where it doesn't
be where it can become contentious, but it doesn't have
to be messy, and like right now, Deshaun Watson, it's contentious.
I wouldn't describe that situation as messy yet, and I
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don't think that Deshaun Watson is the kind of person
to make it bessy. But James Harden did and so
I would not be surprised if there are some fans
there and their fans like that's their team, yeah, and
he was their guy. And not only did he want
to leave, which which does bother some fans, but it
wasn't the sweetest sendoff. So I don't know. I'm actually
curious because it's I think it's you know, that's small
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a sample size still can kind of represent rockets fans
feelings about it. But even if he doesn't have the
best reception when he comes in there tonight, it's over time,
fans always soften because, as you said yesterday, memories are
stronger than reality. So over time, fans are going to
look back on the heart and era and you know,
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and appreciate it and they won't be as as angry
about it. But he spent eight seasons there and can
give me almost a decade of really good basketball. Yeah, yeah,
didn't mean a championship. Do I get along with my
ex wife, two great kids, ten good years? Things didn't
work out? Why boot, I don't boo or when I
see her boo boom dropping the kids off boos, I
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don't get. If you give me eight ten good years,
I'm good. We don't have to agree at the end.
Well no, but you know, every some people like to
hold on to grudges and you know, feel wronged and
if it doesn't turn out exactly the way that they plan, victimization,
I'm not in for it. If you give me eight
years of your life and it's good. Every producer I've
ever had leaves me, I'm always like, good, you were good.
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You give me about six years. Goulais left me like
four times. I still like him. Joy with the news,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line New that's just my magnanimous nature, you know, Joy.
At some point it's gonna be like Seacrest out, I'm
gonna do better than a show, and I'm be just
sitting there crying for a couple of hours. Thanks for
the good years, Mercedes Ben's the Best or Nothing. Nick
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right now joins me host of First Thing. So let's
start with this. I'm a little upset with Gazelle bungeing
supermodel because she said after Tom won the Super Bowl,
Brady admitted she came up and said, what do you
have to prove? And I'm like, it's not about just that,
Like she's gonna be a supermowl forever. She has nothing
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to prove. It's like, if you are great at something
and you're well compensated, nobody's running rolling Stones off the stage.
Nobody's running Metallican Denzel off the stage. Oh my god,
why are we rushing to get rid of Brady? The
greatest American patriot, the just American football hero? That's all right?
Uh yeah, Listen, there's two people in America that need
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to retire, Tom Brady and Colin Cowherd, and both for me,
Tom Brady because I'm sick of him, and Colin Cowherd
because I've been drading for that seat for you, talked
about the years together with you for five years to
keep signing contract extensions. Yeah, I agree with Giselle, and
unlike Listen, maybe I don't think Denzel still does his
own stunts. I don't you know the Rolling Stones. No
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one's hitting Mick Jagger with a guitar when he walks
off the stage. I think Tom should really consider it.
I think that, you know, I heard Tom's interview James
Gordon talked about throwing that trophy that could have gone
terribly for him. Walk off on a high note. Tom.
I know nobody's talking about it, but the more I listen,
I think Giselle Bunchen makes some really really strong points,
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and I really once again, Colin, you ended last week's
interview with a non question question about Tom Brady, and
you're starting this week. There was no question there. It's
just an excuse for you to make me watch these
highlights again, which I don't want to watch. So can
we please move on? By the way, you see Nick's
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haircut to do look how sharp Nick looks. He looks
really good. Well it's desk because his wife does that
for a living, right, She's all right? All right? So
I joy and I laugh about Dak Prescott. It's the
story that won't end. It's like that movie Gettysburg. It's
like seven hours. I'm like, could the story end with Dak?
You have a belief on how the Dak Prescott thing
is gonna end? What is it? Yeah, I don't know
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why it took me this long to have this epiphany.
But Dak's not signing an extension and he's not going
to sign an extension because he shouldn't. So Colin, here's
the thing. From twenty sixteen until twenty twenty two. Do
you know which NFL player has guaranteed guaranteed himself the
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most money. It's Kirk Cousins. One hundred and ninety two
million dollars cash money. Kirk Cousins will have been compensated
from twenty sixteen through twenty twenty two unless the Vikings
cut him in the next twenty days. If he's on
the roster by I think it's March twenty seventh, next
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year's salary, meaning the twenty twenty two salary gets locked
in fully guaranteed. And it's because he played the franchise
tag game in one and so once you get franchise
tagged the one time at the quarterback position, if you
can stomach it for the second time, you are just
essentially guaranteed to be able to sign the perfect contract,
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which is what Cousins did. The first time with the Vikings,
and then he was able to parlay that into a
second contract with the Vikings, both of which de facto
fully guaranteed. So I don't think Dak's gonna blank. I
think Dad's gonna say, you've paid me thirty one million
last year, you're gonna have to pay me thirty seven
million this year, and then I'm going to be able
to either sign with you or with anybody on my terms.
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And so I think the Cowboys misplayed this hand. I
think they believed what to be fair to them. I believed,
which right was right before last season. I thought Dak
would blink. I thought, right before last season, Dak would say,
come on, like, all right, I'll take whatever the best
last offer is. I need to get paid. And he
didn't do it. He didn't do it two years ago,
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he didn't do it last year. And now I think
he has all the leverage in the world to just say,
franchise tag me, that's fine, and then I'm going to
get a four year, one hundred and sixty million dollars
fully guaranteed contract from somebody. So yesterday I did something
and nothing he ever gets. In fact, I predicted it
on the show with Joy Taylor, I said, this won't
be contextualized and people will not understand this. We were
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talking about Dak's contract, and I said, if you could
pay people in order of what they're worth, and the
worth would be on talent and then on value. Because
let's be honest, Bill Belichick let go of a lot
of talented people. He never let go of super valuable people.
There's a big difference. I've worked with a lot of
people in my business who are talented, you get let go.
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Companies don't let go of valuable people. So I said,
the Seahawks offense is so bad Schematically, Seattle can't score
without Russell Brady wins you Super Bowls. We've watched the
Packers without Aaron Rodgers, they can't win games. And Josh Allen,
let's be honest, they were twenty years of nonsense. He's
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their best running back and their best quarterback in the
second tier. And I knew this would get people worked up.
I put Mahomes and here was my reasoning. I said,
he's more talented than all of them. But Andy Reids
won thirteen playoff games without him. They beat the Vikings
two years ago. A playoff team. Without him, they are
so well coached, they have such good weapons. They would
win games without him. They won the divisions without him.
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They just wouldn't win any Super Bowls. So his talent
is an a plus. But in terms of the franchise
would be Titanic without him, No, they just wouldn't be special.
And and everybody looked at that and went, that is
I'm literally canceling you, And I thought, is that an
outrageous opinion? Yes, it's an outrageous opinion, okay, And also
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I really like what you did there, which is one
of my favorite moves at the very beginning, which is
I'm being attacked for this opinion, not because it's a
terrible one, but because people don't understand how brilliant it is.
I go to that move a lot. It's not always correct.
Sometimes it's I'm being attacked for this opinion because the
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opinions terrible. And you have recreated this Chief's dynasty pre
Mahomes that didn't exist in the Chiefs from Joe Montana's
retirement until the day Patrick Mahomes started his first game
the Chiefs one one playoff game, and it was against
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the Bill O'Brien coach team, So I don't know if
it counts. They won one Andy Rito he wins divisions.
Well yeah, and he won one playoff game with Alex Smith,
a single solitary playoff game. And somehow you twisted the
logic to where you could argue that Mahomes should be
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if you were just doing it based on like salary,
the Josh Allen thing, I maybe, but if you're gonna
have Rogers where he is, you cannot have Mahomes beneath him.
So no, Colin, you were not attacked for this because
it was you know, you got unfairly edited on Twitter.
You were attacked for this because it's wrong, right, And
I you know, I dare I say, I think you
(32:46):
need to issue an apology because I'm not for canceling people,
but I think this is cancellable. I really do. I
think it's such a bad opinion. And finally, you are
more stylish than me. I'm not real. You know, I'm
an accountant who has a talk show. You know, I
like business at your board of death with it, You've
got a lot of flash and sizzle. You're the Zach
Levine of talk show host. I'm the Chris Paul. But
(33:09):
here's the thing. Chris Paul goes to Phoenix. They were
a mess forever take Lebron out of the league. There's
an argument to be made. The only people that show
up on People magazine don't have their act together. They
sell magazines. Don cheatle and Ed Norton never end up
on it. Chris Paul, similarly, we don't talk about him.
(33:31):
He's not good on YouTube, he's not good on the highlights.
Ever since Blake Griffin and him divorced, he's got twenty
playoff wins. Blakes are nothing. When are people gonna get
Chris Paul? How is Phoenix now the second best team
in the West. How it's the same crappy roster Kay win.
This is a good opinion, Dare I say a great opinion?
(33:52):
This is why I would argue and nobody agrees with
me on this that at the All Star break, if
we're doing MVP, you have Lebron and Embiid battling for
the top spot. If I had a ballot, Chris Paul
be third. Don't care what his stats say, don't care
that he averages in the low teens and points. This
guy impacts winning as much as anyone in the league
(34:16):
not named Lebron games. Yeah, you absolutely are correct. It
is the gaudy numbers are not there, but he is
at He understands how to control games. He understands how
to help get the most out of his teammates. He
is as good at the end of games as anybody. Look,
Oklahoma City last year was supposed to be tanking. Yeah,
(34:39):
he dragged them to the postseason. Everyone was in love
with the Suns because they went eight no in the Bubble.
They were so bad last year that they went eight
no in the Bubble and didn't even make the play
in game because their record pre Bubble was so egregious.
He is the difference. So this I won thousand percent
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agree with you on. I think you can make the
argument he is the second greatest truly small guy in
NBA history, behind only the original Isaiah Thomas Yea. And
by the way, there are a lot of similarities to
him and Zeke, which is the numbers don't show you
their true impact and control of a basketball game. So
(35:22):
in the Chris Paul thing, I want thousand percent agree
with you. I don't know why Zach Levine and I
got drive by it on that set that aside, I
agree with you a thousand percent on Crystal. The minute
that came out of my mouth, I felt terrible because
Zach Levine's from the Northwest, so I always kind of
root for him, and you're my friend. That was kind
of the terrible thing to say. Yeah, you're talking extemporaneously
and sometimes stuff comes out you feel bad about. It
(35:44):
happens five years. By the way, when you're talking about
people being with you. I thought about this April coming
up April. It's me and my wife's I should know
this eighth year anniversary. But if during my five year anniversary,
how about that? You mean you've coming on. You're never
going boo me boo? Yeah, you and I five years
in April. Yeah, that's okay. I'm not leaving you and
(36:05):
you're not booing me. That's something. It's something. I don't
know what it is, but it's something. I'll talk to
you later, all right, buddy, Nick Wright, First things first,
So I had a terrible opinion and a good one. Yeah, both.
That's what this show is a little bit of hours
of talking today. Yeah, coming up next, Jets put her
for sale, Sign Up New York Jets control the draft
(36:27):
putter for sales. Sign up talk about that next. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays and
New Eastern ninety EM Pacific. Hey, what's up everybody? It's
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(37:11):
wherever you get your podcast from. So a report came
out Sunday ESPN that the Jets were reportedly in This
word's important intrigued by BYU quarterback Zach Wilson. Intrigued is
(37:32):
a keyword because intrigued means we're considering it, but we're
not sure yet. I'll get back to that in a second.
So the Jets essentially put the house for sale, but
you're not sure which house, the Sam Darnold house or
the number two pickhouse. That's why they use the word intrigued.
(37:53):
It's very ambiguous. You could go many different ways. So
when I saw the story, my takeaway was they were
first softening the blow for Darnald and his agent. Hey guys,
we're gonna move off you. Here's a little heads up.
Soften the blow before it happens or trade talk starts.
(38:15):
It was also, in my opinion, when I saw the
We're Intrigued with Kyle Wilson, it was telling the Bears,
the forty nine ers, and the Washington football team call
us and make an offer for Sam Darnel. Now there
may be part of this because they're probably ninety ten
or eighty twenty. Was Zach Wilson where they're telling Denver,
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Philadelphia and Carolina, why don't you make as an offer
for the number two pick? You need a quarterback? Maybe
we'll listen there. This is putting the for sale sign up.
You're just not telling everybody quite what's up for sale.
And then today these stories leaked. Now it's official. Now
(39:02):
they're telling you what's for sale. Joe Douglas, the Jets
general manager, according to Ian Rappaport, tells reporters he will
answer calls pertaining to potentially trading Sam Darnold. Brian Costello,
New York Post covers the Jets. Douglas says he'll answer
(39:24):
calls about Sam. This is a departure from his stance
last year in October that he said he was untouchable.
So Sunday they put the for sale sign up. Are
they selling the two pick or they selling Darnald? And
today they made it official. They are moving off Sam Darnold.
It's probably ten twenty. If they don't get a good deal,
(39:49):
maybe they move off it if somebody like Carolina steps
up and gives them the moon. But they're going to
move off Sam Darnold. I've said this before. If I
was I have my questions about Zach Wilson. He looked skinny.
I didn't see him beat any good teams in college.
But you know, either to Josh Allen m I trust
my eyes, he just doesn't. He doesn't look like a
(40:14):
guy that's gonna take over the league. But you know, what,
do I know Trevor Lawrence does Josh Allen does Herbert
this year dead, There's Big Strong move Big Ben and
his prime did uh. There's there's guys that they looked apart.
He was like, oh, that guy could take over the league. Um,
you know, Deshaun Watson has moments You're like, that guy
should be winning. You know a lot of playoff games.
(40:35):
So m I will say this is that I always
I kind of felt they would move off Darnold And
the reason was simple is that new GM wants his
quarterback and new coach wants his quarterback. And in the end,
and I think this happens a lot, you just want
a fresh start. I mean, you know, you moved to
(40:56):
a new house and you just want to buy some
new furniture. You want to go. You wanted to feel
like like a new play even though you may not
need everything. You're like, you know, let's just get let's
get a new couch, and let's get let's geta let's
let's u kind of redo a bathroom. You want to
make it your own. Joe Douglas wants to make the
team his own, and Robert Slow, the head coach, wants
to make the team his own, and so they're gonna
(41:18):
move off Sam Darnald, and I'll say it again. John
Lynch of the Niners I know likes him. Chicago has
Nick Foles, Washington. This is what I talked about a
month ago. He feels like a tough guy, very much
a Ron Rivera fit. So Sam Darnald, he's the house
for sale. Make your calls. Joe Douglas now telling multiple
(41:40):
reporters we will take your calls. Good stuff. Another move
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as they do on Wednesday. It's great heavy. George Taylor
is joining us. I am gonna defend Tom Brady righteously,
he said, I really, I know it's it's not really
a I can always leave with Brady, right, but yeah,
we can always do it. Brady. Gizelle is starting to
get under my skin. Oh okay, that's what we're doing. Yeah.
(01:10):
What is it about women not letting us have fun? Oh? Okay,
I mean, life is I mean, you can have all
the funny what. So Tom Brady was a Super Bowl
He's on James Cordon, right, funny talk show guy. And
he's on the show, and James Cordon asked him about
right after he won the Super Bowl, and here's Brady.
(01:32):
All of a sudden, I see my oldest son run
over to me dad, you know, and I gave big
high I saw my you know, my two little ones,
and all of a sudden, I saw my wife and
I gave her a big hug. And just as I
did it, she says, what more do you have to prove?
It's not about that. Let me speak for guys a little.
(01:53):
It's not about that. Some of it's just it's fun
to hang out with guys and laughs and camaraderie. When
all these guys retired, they all hate practice, you know
what they miss just to laugh with other funny alpha
males and inappropriate, stupid guys in the locker room. And
we all got a little meathead in us. It's not
(02:14):
about proving stuff. Gizelle's gonna model until you know, in
her sixties or seventies. What does she have to prove?
Is she gonna get more beautiful? I don't know. She
just likes doing It's fun, fun to feel good about yourself.
You know, here's something that I talked about briefly yesterday,
so coincidental, this was a topic. Twenty four hours in
a day. You sleep eight, that means there's sixteen hours
(02:34):
left in the day to do stuff. And remember, if
you're a successful athlete, you're wealthy. And if you're wealthy,
wealthy people don't have to do the mindless crap you
and I do to fill out their day. Yesterday, Greg Twoey,
producer on My show, had a flat tire, had to
go to three tire store, still couldn't get it fixed.
Wasted two and a half hours. I was booking airline flights.
(02:55):
I'm on Delta dot com. I'm on the phone listening.
Wasted ninety five minutes of my life. And Brady's not
doing that, James Harden's not doing that, Kevin Duran's not
doing that, Lebron's not doing that. They got a staff
from the time of season ends to the time camp starts.
His five months, he's got six homes, a private jet,
and a staff. That's sixteen hours a day. You can
(03:17):
be a great dad and a great family man is
a professional athlete, and you can be a great professional athlete.
You can do both at the same time. Now, if
you're a CEO, I always say best jobs in the
world are great athletes. It's not a CEO. It's not
Elon Musk. Elon Musk is on the clock every day,
a great surgeon's on the clock every day, a great
(03:38):
attorney's on the clock every day. A CEO for our
company on the clock every day. Pro athletes get time off.
They get time off, They get more free stuff than
other rich people. Tom Braden pay for anything. They have
free stuff all the time. So this idea that you
can be a great athlete or you can be a
great family person. He's got sixteen hours a day. And
(03:59):
by the way, by the time your kids get to
be fourteen, they don't want to hang out with you
all day anyway. Did you want to hang out with
your parents when you were fourteen and fifteen? I didn't.
What is this rush to get Brady out of football?
What's this rush to get athletes out of football? Peyton
Manning retired. He is so bored. He's doing a comedy
show on ESPN Plus and another show where he watches film.
(04:20):
He's bored out of his mind. How many rounds of
golf can you do? Nobody's telling Meryl Streep, she's got
to retire. Nobody's telling Hanks or Denzel they got to retire.
In fact, I went to the top five grossing bands
of twenty nineteen, Elton John mid seventies, Metallica, they're around
rolling stones. What nobody's telling then to retire. You can
(04:44):
be a great athlete and you can be a great
family guy. It's not just about what do you need
to prove? That's part of it. You like to prove
people wrong. I like to prove people wrong. I had
a lot of doubters join I bounced around the country.
We've had critics and doubted fun to stick at Tom
But in the end, this is fun. We're off at noon.
(05:06):
They have paid. Well, you're off at noon. You're never
going to get this camaraderie back when I retire. I'm
not going to get a sit in a room for
two hours. I've said this before. I like creating the
show as much as I like doing the show. I
just like being curious and getting ideas and building little rants.
So I mean Gazelle's great and everything, But can we
slow down on this. Tom Brady's also a guy. He's
(05:28):
Philip Rivers has a little bit of this in him.
He likes practice. Brady's into football practice. Most guys aren't.
It's tedious. I briefly played high school football. Football practice
is hard. It's what I grew up on the coast
of Washington. It's wet, you get hit, it's it's just awful.
Of course, I was in small high school showers and
it was, you know, not great facilities. But a football
(05:48):
practice is generally no fun. And Brady loves football practice,
so I don't understand the rush. He's got sixteen hours
a day after sleep. How long can you jet ski?
How many times can you ride a horse in Costa Rica?
Football's fun, and you know, and it's really fun when
you're winning Super Bowls. Don't give it up. My theory
(06:11):
on life, find stuff that makes you happy and do
it over and over and over and over again. And
that's a great life. I tell my kids all the time,
what makes you happy? My son loves tech, do tech
a lot, hang out with people who talk tech. I
hear him on his little computer upstairs, laughing all the time.
There's little buddies. They can't be together during the pandemic.
But they're just talking about the silliest stuff and I
(06:33):
don't get any of it. And it's silly to me,
and it's tech stuff. It makes him happy. So do
it over and over and over again. Tom Brady, let
me knock down a beer. There yet a little drunk,
one of little sideways off the rails. But that's not
who he is. Who he is is a family guy
and a football guy, and there's time for both. Okay.
So jj Watt, as predicted, has acknowledged that a big
(06:56):
reason he went to Arizona was lifestyle. But one of
the other the reasons jj Watt went to Arizona was
Kyler Murray, the quarterback, and jj Watt said as much yesterday.
She's been a winner at every stage of his life.
And that's not a coincidence. You're a winner because of
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the way that you work, and because of the aura
that you give off, and because of the talent that
you have. And I think that he has all of
those things, and he's going to continue to win and
continue to have success. And that's a part of the
reason that I'm here. I told him yesterday in Texas.
I'm here because I believe in you, and so I'm here.
You have to have a quarterback in this league to
have a chance, and he's our guy, and I'm looking
forward to going out there and playing with him. It's
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interesting when you look at the passing stats first year
to second year, Kyler Murray approved a little bit, and
it reminds me of my phone bill. I have a
phone bill that's eight hundred and nine hundred dollars a month,
and that seems outrageous. And for almost all of my
life that was outrageous. But then phones changed, and now
(08:04):
my Rolodex is on my phone, my alarm clock's on
my phone. All six kids have a phone I pay
for wife's got a phone. I've got a phone. I
book travel on my phone, my calendars on my phone.
I buy food on my phone. I order Christmas presents
on my phone. So nine hundred dollars from my phone
(08:25):
bill used to be ridiculous. Now it's a steal. That's
all I paid to do all that in my phone.
That's Kyler Murray. Don't look at his quarterback stats. You
have to look at what he provides that other quarterbacks
can't and never did. If you look at his quarterback stats,
(08:46):
they barely went up, but you know went up wins five,
ten and one to eight and eight. You know it
up his rushing yards and touchdowns forty percent. He went
from twenty four touchdowns total touchdowns to thirty seven, seventh
best in the NFL. The other six ahead of him
are all great quarterbacks. The six ahead of him are
(09:07):
Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Brady, Russell, Wilson Mahomes, Tannehill, and
then Kyler Murray. He is a non traditional quarterback. And
my phone bill now isn't like my phone bill for
the first fifty years of my life. In the last
seven eight years, I do so much with my phone.
I feel like I'm stealing it for under a thousand
(09:28):
dollars a month. It's everything. It's my guest booker and
my calendar, and it's my FaceTime. I was telling Joy
the other day outside of the television, do you understand
the value I get on FaceTime? I talk to my
kids every single day right next to me. Everything's on
my phone. I buy food, I buy clothes, I book vacation.
I do everything on my phone. I watch movies, when
(09:50):
I fly on my phone, it's my television, it's my computer,
it's everything. And so when you look at this kid,
don't look at just the passing stuff. In the NFL history,
the league history, there's two quarterbacks who have had twenty
five passing touchdowns and ten plus rushing touchdowns. He's one
(10:11):
of them. He's a completely non traditional quarterback. And I
agree with J. J. Watt. You can win a Super
Bowl with Kyler Murray. You can. Don't look at the
passing stats he is. That's not what he's about. That
that's not just what he's about. There's another dimension that's
probably forty percent of his game that virtually nobody else
(10:34):
in league history can provide. Throw it and run it.
He can do it with anybody ever in this league.
All Right, So you know it's funny. I like the
NBA and stuff, but sometimes I always make fun of
Slam Magazine. The guys that are on the cover of
Slam Magazine don't necessarily win games. They sell magazines. It's
the same thing you ever see, like People magazine. I
don't I don't watch. Sometimes I go to the grocery
(10:56):
store and I see People magazine. You know who's never
on the cover of People magazine. The great actors. Never
see Ed Norton or Don Cheatle on the cover of
People magazine. It's always bad actors who can sell magazines
but can't act. I never see Mark Ruffalo, He's never
on the cover of People magazine. Julia Roberts occasionally was
her life got controversial for an hour. I don't see
(11:17):
here on it much either, But it's always like Lindsay Lohan,
You're on there all the time, and I takeaway as
it's the same thing in the NBA. There's a player
in the NBA, he's never gonna put him and sell
a magazine. He's never good on highlights, he's never captivating,
(11:37):
he's not any good on YouTube. But take Lebron out.
He is the most invaluable player in the NBA and
has been four years. Talk about that coming up. Be
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(11:58):
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a nick right today. So I watched the Lakers Suns
game last night. Devin Booker got thrown out, which usually
for Phoenix last year would have meant an automatic loss.
And yet they beat the Lakers. That's what now Phoenix
(13:05):
does all the time because Chris Paul showed up. Chris
Paul after Lebron James is the single most influential player
in the NBA. I know he's not cool or lit,
He's not even likable. And I love him. He's not
even likable. He's not vertical mid range guy. Phoenix hasn't
(13:27):
made the playoffs in eleven years. The last three PRECP
three years, they were the worst team in the West
seventy four one hundred and sixty three. Chris Paul arrives.
They now are second in the West with the same roster.
Last night, Devin Booker got thrown out. DeAndre Ayton said,
(13:48):
Chris Paul took over the huddles. Here's what followed the CPS.
A guy's who who leads vocally. Man, He's always on
his shown us the little things on how to win,
the small details that count, especially today's game, um, you know,
losing the book. Uh, you know, he sat us down
in the hole and made us made sure we oh
(14:09):
when you have to do winning plays and you know
there's no mistakes, and you know when when the game's
junkie like this, you know, just to keep our head
and you know, us as young players, we just want
to listen. And you know it's contagious the way I
approached the game. So you know, it's a blessing. Chris
Paul joined your team. You win, he leaves, you lose.
Only other player you can say that about in the NBA.
(14:29):
Only other player is Lebron James. Oklahoma City got rid
of him because they were trying to tank and he
made him win too much. He's the anti Zach Levine.
Zach Levine is vertical and flashy and hits threes and
bunches and gets hot and is streaky and is a
blast to watch. And his winning percentage is thirty one percent,
(14:50):
lowest in the league for a player with three hundred games.
Zach maybe the greatest guy in the world. Never makes
anybody better. Two weeks ago, rookie Anthony Edwards had a
filthy dunk on the baseline plays to the t Wolves.
Twitter exploded, Oh my god, that's unbelievable. You know what
else was unbelievable. Anthony Edwards went oh for seven in
that game on threes, three for fourteen from the floor
(15:13):
and a plus minus of negative thirteen. That's also pretty unbelievable,
But hey, he was cool. Chris Paul's never cool. When
he was with Blake Griffin, all I heard for years
was he is holding Blake Griffin down. Since the divorced,
Blake Griffin has not won a playoff game Chris Paul's
won twenty but he doesn't sell any issues of Slam magazine.
(15:38):
I'm not sure he can dunk. There's a real John
Stockton quality to him. He's sort of annoying. He's not
always likable. He's kind of snarky and snarly at times.
He is Stockton, who I think is the third or
fourth best point guard, Magic's best. After that, we can
argue about all of them. But I love Chris Paul.
(16:01):
I loved him at Wake Forrest. I loved him with
the Clippers. I think he's as smart as anybody in
the NBA, not a shock many say his best friend
in the league is Lebron James. Not as big, as
as strong, not as talented. But Chris Paul can be
on the cover of my magazines. Ed Norton's not going
to be on people either, as Don Cheadle because they have,
(16:22):
you know, their act together. So does Chris Paul. Joy
Taylor with the news No, no, no, this is the
herd line news. The Bears only have Nick Foles under
contracts at the quarterback position going into the twenty twenty
one season. It's embarrassing, and he's reportedly in the mix
(16:42):
to be the starter, but GM Ryan Pace says the
team is considering all of their options right now. For us,
everything is on the table in regard to the quarterback situation,
and honestly, that includes players on our current roster, that
includes free agency, trade, the draft, in a combination of
all those. So we haven't we have a plan in place,
(17:03):
and now it's about executing that plant. They haven't figured
the quarterback out since said luckman, I'm not gonna hold
my breath. They have the twentieth pick in the draft,
so that's not really an ideal position to be taking
a quarterback at is a terrible there's because Mac Jones,
who I don't think it's gonna be a big hit,
but he'll be gone by like twelve thirteen. They gonna
(17:25):
have to be aggressive and move up. They have six
total picks in the draft, so if they want a
quarterback at the high end of the draft, they're gonna
have to do a lot to move up. The problem is,
you know, we talked about this all the time. At
the beginning of the season, we were like, this is
the year, there's not any team that needs a quarterback,
and then by the end of the season, there's like
twelve who are in the mix. I've said this before.
(17:46):
I've never figured out Wisconsin football. Wisconsin football has been
great for thirty years. They're just a great program. They
can never get the quarterback right. Russell Wilson one year
and like, how can Wisconsin and not have a five
star quarterback every year? And I said the same thing
about the Bears. How can you be in this magnificent
American city. You're in one of the great rivalries, you
(18:09):
have a lot of money, it's a great place to live.
Well called in the winner. But uh, and you can ever,
they haven't had a quarterback. They don't get the quarterback
right ever, except said Luckmooton, that's like seventy years. I
mean you could say the same about the Dolphins. Yeah,
but I mean but they had it right by the
way in that right for a long time, for twenty
years in the seventies and eighties. But it's been a struggle.
(18:32):
Was a little bit that Jake Plummer was pretty interesting.
Peyton Manning was darned good. Yeah, I mean, like moments,
I don't know, it's an unfortunate position to never be
able to get right. You know, if you're the Patriots.
I'd prefer to not be able to draft a wide
receiver over not being able to figure out what the
quarterback position. Although I think that the all time outlier
Lucky taking Tom Brady in the sixth round. He turns
out to be the greatest quarterback of all time. But
(18:54):
I don't I don't know what the Bears can do
outside of a trade. I mean, if I'm the Bears,
aren't you just going all in to try and get
I'm darnold at this point. I'm just gonna say this
right now. The last segment of today's show is is
gonna be one of my favorites, Okay, because I'm gonna
take every team that's been in a quarterback rumor situation.
There's like thirteen and I'm gonna tell you Labor Day
(19:17):
who's the starting quarterback? And you'll guess where I'm gonna
go With Chicago, I'm gonna take everybody. I'm gonna take Seattle, Dallas,
I'm gonna take the Niners. I'm gonna take you know, obviously,
the Jets and the Jet I'm gonna predict. I'm gonna
I'm gonna put it out there today. Today is my thing.
This is what who is starting? Because I don't like
doing mock drafts with trades in them. Guy, I refuse
to do that because it's nonsense. I'm not gonna go
(19:40):
in here just make stuff up. So when I said
Kyle Pitts is going second to the Jets, I know
he's not because they're gonna either trade the pick and
move down. But it's like, I'm not gonna do But today, officially,
I'm gonna circumvent that. I'm gonna predict the thirteen teams
that may I'm a new quarterback. Who will they have?
And I'll give you one tease, Bears, I'll have Nick Foles.
The popperm is the separation between the great quarterbacks and
(20:04):
average quarterbacks has widened, and the need for a great,
competent quarterback has accelerated. And you saw that in the
super Bowl this year. Who was in the super Bowl
the greatest quarterback a quarterback and Patrick Moomes, who everyone
pretty much agrees is the greatest player in the league.
You need a great quarterback. So Baker Mayfield showed some
(20:25):
growth in his third NFL season. It was also his
first with head coach Kevin Stefanski, who was expecting even
more from Baker as he continues to get comfortable in
the offense. I would just tell you I know he
can continue to get better. He's another person that is
eager to get better. You know, he's chomping at the bit.
And when he walks in this building or we virtually
(20:46):
see him next, we'll make sure that we outline some
things that he can improve upon. But I think you
all know this about Baker. He works really really hard
at his crap and I think that's something when you
when you do that, you got a chance. I'm excited
about the future of the Browns. So his numbers last year,
(21:06):
we're thirty five hundred passing yards, twenty six touchdowns, eight pick,
sixty three percent completion percentage. That is his ceiling. I
wish we'd stopped that. Was with the best offensive line
in the NFL, the best running back duo, and going
eight no in your out of division games because they
played the crappy NFC East and the weird and goofy
(21:27):
AFC South. This year they play Mahomes Division. But you
don't think they'll win the division this year? No, No,
it's not a shot. I think Baker, I think we've
I think it's between the Browns and the Ravens. I'm
gonna have a little dark horse team this year in
the NFL. Well, I'm saying for their division. I know,
I know what you're saying. Hey, all the Cleveland people
(21:50):
who hate me, can you at least admit this? Uncle
Colin's been right for three straight years. In all of
this crime you have, I have not missed on anything
you have, and I'm not missing on this one. None.
Gay feel really good about it. I'm not banking on Baker.
I always had Bakers the franchise quarterback. I just said
his ceiling is slightly better than Case Keenum. And if
you look at Baker's numbers last year, they're not pan
(22:11):
Baker or anything. Best to line, best running backs, easy schedule.
Those numbers are exactly Case Keenum's best year, and he's
better than Case, but not by a mile. So James
Harden returns to Houston's to Night for the first time
since being traded by the Nets, and despite the shaky
ending to his time with the Rockets, he hopes the
fans will give him a warm welcome back. Should He said,
(22:31):
I hope I'm received with love, the love and appreciation
that I've given to that city, and then I still
give to that city. I'm hoping that the favor can
be returned. Should be. Now I'm reading this story and
I'm like, wait a minute, we're still in a pandemic,
So what are we talking about fans? But there's fans there.
They're allowing twenty five percent capacity at Toyota Center, which
like actually kind of in a weird way, it made
(22:52):
me happy. I'm like, Okay, so if there are fans
that want to cheer or booth, they're actually going to
be there to do that, because we wouldn't even this
wouldn't even be a story otherwise, don't know why He'll
be roughly around, Yeah, I mean, like would I boot
de Shawn Watson and Houston? Like he's done with the nonsense.
He moved on, and I think James Harden looked at
it and said, and by the way, James, I didn't
(23:12):
like the way he kind of bullied his way out
of the team. I didn't love that, But I know
the problem with him wanting to leave. I just didn't
like the way that he handled it right right, I
And there's there's ways to handle it where it doesn't
be where it can become contentious, but it doesn't have
to be messy, and like right now, Deshaun Watson, it's contentious.
I wouldn't describe that situation as messy yet, and I
(23:35):
don't think that Deshaun Watson is the kind of person
to make it bessy. But James Harden did and so
I would not be surprised if there are some fans
there and their fans like that's their team, yeah, and
he was their guy. And not only did he want
to leave, which which does bother some fans, but it
wasn't the sweetest sendoff. So I don't know. I'm actually
curious because it's I think it's you know, that's small
(23:57):
a sample size still can kind of represent rockets fans
feelings about it. But even if he doesn't have the
best reception when he comes in there tonight, it's over time,
fans always soften because, as you said yesterday, memories are
stronger than reality. So over time, fans are going to
look back on the heart and era and you know,
(24:17):
and appreciate it and they won't be as as angry
about it. But he spent eight seasons there and can
give me almost a decade of really good basketball. Yeah, yeah,
didn't mean a championship. Do I get along with my
ex wife, two great kids, ten good years? Things didn't
work out? Why boot, I don't boo or when I
see her boo boom dropping the kids off boos, I
(24:39):
don't get. If you give me eight ten good years,
I'm good. We don't have to agree at the end.
Well no, but you know, every some people like to
hold on to grudges and you know, feel wronged and
if it doesn't turn out exactly the way that they plan, victimization,
I'm not in for it. If you give me eight
years of your life and it's good. Every producer I've
ever had leaves me, I'm always like, good, you were good.
(25:00):
You give me about six years. Goulais left me like
four times. I still like him. Joy with the news,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line New that's just my magnanimous nature, you know, Joy.
At some point it's gonna be like Seacrest out, I'm
gonna do better than a show, and I'm be just
sitting there crying for a couple of hours. Thanks for
the good years, Mercedes Ben's the Best or Nothing. Nick
(25:23):
right now joins me host of First Thing. So let's
start with this. I'm a little upset with Gazelle bungeing
supermodel because she said after Tom won the Super Bowl,
Brady admitted she came up and said, what do you
have to prove? And I'm like, it's not about just that,
Like she's gonna be a supermowl forever. She has nothing
(25:45):
to prove. It's like, if you are great at something
and you're well compensated, nobody's running rolling Stones off the stage.
Nobody's running Metallican Denzel off the stage. Oh my god,
why are we rushing to get rid of Brady? The
greatest American patriot, the just American football hero? That's all right?
Uh yeah, Listen, there's two people in America that need
(26:08):
to retire, Tom Brady and Colin Cowherd, and both for me,
Tom Brady because I'm sick of him, and Colin Cowherd
because I've been drading for that seat for you, talked
about the years together with you for five years to
keep signing contract extensions. Yeah, I agree with Giselle, and
unlike Listen, maybe I don't think Denzel still does his
own stunts. I don't you know the Rolling Stones. No
(26:29):
one's hitting Mick Jagger with a guitar when he walks
off the stage. I think Tom should really consider it.
I think that, you know, I heard Tom's interview James
Gordon talked about throwing that trophy that could have gone
terribly for him. Walk off on a high note. Tom.
I know nobody's talking about it, but the more I listen,
I think Giselle Bunchen makes some really really strong points,
(26:50):
and I really once again, Colin, you ended last week's
interview with a non question question about Tom Brady, and
you're starting this week. There was no question there. It's
just an excuse for you to make me watch these
highlights again, which I don't want to watch. So can
we please move on? By the way, you see Nick's
(27:13):
haircut to do look how sharp Nick looks. He looks
really good. Well it's desk because his wife does that
for a living, right, She's all right? All right? So
I joy and I laugh about Dak Prescott. It's the
story that won't end. It's like that movie Gettysburg. It's
like seven hours. I'm like, could the story end with Dak?
You have a belief on how the Dak Prescott thing
is gonna end? What is it? Yeah, I don't know
(27:34):
why it took me this long to have this epiphany.
But Dak's not signing an extension and he's not going
to sign an extension because he shouldn't. So Colin, here's
the thing. From twenty sixteen until twenty twenty two. Do
you know which NFL player has guaranteed guaranteed himself the
(27:56):
most money. It's Kirk Cousins. One hundred and ninety two
million dollars cash money. Kirk Cousins will have been compensated
from twenty sixteen through twenty twenty two unless the Vikings
cut him in the next twenty days. If he's on
the roster by I think it's March twenty seventh, next
(28:18):
year's salary, meaning the twenty twenty two salary gets locked
in fully guaranteed. And it's because he played the franchise
tag game in one and so once you get franchise
tagged the one time at the quarterback position, if you
can stomach it for the second time, you are just
essentially guaranteed to be able to sign the perfect contract,
(28:41):
which is what Cousins did. The first time with the Vikings,
and then he was able to parlay that into a
second contract with the Vikings, both of which de facto
fully guaranteed. So I don't think Dak's gonna blank. I
think Dad's gonna say, you've paid me thirty one million
last year, you're gonna have to pay me thirty seven
million this year, and then I'm going to be able
to either sign with you or with anybody on my terms.
(29:05):
And so I think the Cowboys misplayed this hand. I
think they believed what to be fair to them. I believed,
which right was right before last season. I thought Dak
would blink. I thought, right before last season, Dak would say,
come on, like, all right, I'll take whatever the best
last offer is. I need to get paid. And he
didn't do it. He didn't do it two years ago,
(29:26):
he didn't do it last year. And now I think
he has all the leverage in the world to just say,
franchise tag me, that's fine, and then I'm going to
get a four year, one hundred and sixty million dollars
fully guaranteed contract from somebody. So yesterday I did something
and nothing he ever gets. In fact, I predicted it
on the show with Joy Taylor, I said, this won't
be contextualized and people will not understand this. We were
(29:49):
talking about Dak's contract, and I said, if you could
pay people in order of what they're worth, and the
worth would be on talent and then on value. Because
let's be honest, Bill Belichick let go of a lot
of talented people. He never let go of super valuable people.
There's a big difference. I've worked with a lot of
people in my business who are talented, you get let go.
(30:10):
Companies don't let go of valuable people. So I said,
the Seahawks offense is so bad Schematically, Seattle can't score
without Russell Brady wins you Super Bowls. We've watched the
Packers without Aaron Rodgers, they can't win games. And Josh Allen,
let's be honest, they were twenty years of nonsense. He's
(30:31):
their best running back and their best quarterback in the
second tier. And I knew this would get people worked up.
I put Mahomes and here was my reasoning. I said,
he's more talented than all of them. But Andy Reids
won thirteen playoff games without him. They beat the Vikings
two years ago. A playoff team. Without him, they are
so well coached, they have such good weapons. They would
win games without him. They won the divisions without him.
(30:54):
They just wouldn't win any Super Bowls. So his talent
is an a plus. But in terms of the franchise
would be Titanic without him, No, they just wouldn't be special.
And and everybody looked at that and went, that is
I'm literally canceling you, And I thought, is that an
outrageous opinion? Yes, it's an outrageous opinion, okay, And also
(31:19):
I really like what you did there, which is one
of my favorite moves at the very beginning, which is
I'm being attacked for this opinion, not because it's a
terrible one, but because people don't understand how brilliant it is.
I go to that move a lot. It's not always correct.
Sometimes it's I'm being attacked for this opinion because the
(31:40):
opinions terrible. And you have recreated this Chief's dynasty pre
Mahomes that didn't exist in the Chiefs from Joe Montana's
retirement until the day Patrick Mahomes started his first game
the Chiefs one one playoff game, and it was against
(32:02):
the Bill O'Brien coach team, So I don't know if
it counts. They won one Andy Rito he wins divisions.
Well yeah, and he won one playoff game with Alex Smith,
a single solitary playoff game. And somehow you twisted the
logic to where you could argue that Mahomes should be
(32:23):
if you were just doing it based on like salary,
the Josh Allen thing, I maybe, but if you're gonna
have Rogers where he is, you cannot have Mahomes beneath him.
So no, Colin, you were not attacked for this because
it was you know, you got unfairly edited on Twitter.
You were attacked for this because it's wrong, right, And
I you know, I dare I say, I think you
(32:46):
need to issue an apology because I'm not for canceling people,
but I think this is cancellable. I really do. I
think it's such a bad opinion. And finally, you are
more stylish than me. I'm not real. You know, I'm
an accountant who has a talk show. You know, I
like business at your board of death with it, You've
got a lot of flash and sizzle. You're the Zach
Levine of talk show host. I'm the Chris Paul. But
(33:09):
here's the thing. Chris Paul goes to Phoenix. They were
a mess forever take Lebron out of the league. There's
an argument to be made. The only people that show
up on People magazine don't have their act together. They
sell magazines. Don cheatle and Ed Norton never end up
on it. Chris Paul, similarly, we don't talk about him.
(33:31):
He's not good on YouTube, he's not good on the highlights.
Ever since Blake Griffin and him divorced, he's got twenty
playoff wins. Blakes are nothing. When are people gonna get
Chris Paul? How is Phoenix now the second best team
in the West. How it's the same crappy roster Kay win.
This is a good opinion, Dare I say a great opinion?
(33:52):
This is why I would argue and nobody agrees with
me on this that at the All Star break, if
we're doing MVP, you have Lebron and Embiid battling for
the top spot. If I had a ballot, Chris Paul
be third. Don't care what his stats say, don't care
that he averages in the low teens and points. This
guy impacts winning as much as anyone in the league
(34:16):
not named Lebron games. Yeah, you absolutely are correct. It
is the gaudy numbers are not there, but he is
at He understands how to control games. He understands how
to help get the most out of his teammates. He
is as good at the end of games as anybody. Look,
Oklahoma City last year was supposed to be tanking. Yeah,
(34:39):
he dragged them to the postseason. Everyone was in love
with the Suns because they went eight no in the Bubble.
They were so bad last year that they went eight
no in the Bubble and didn't even make the play
in game because their record pre Bubble was so egregious.
He is the difference. So this I won thousand percent
(35:00):
agree with you on. I think you can make the
argument he is the second greatest truly small guy in
NBA history, behind only the original Isaiah Thomas Yea. And
by the way, there are a lot of similarities to
him and Zeke, which is the numbers don't show you
their true impact and control of a basketball game. So
(35:22):
in the Chris Paul thing, I want thousand percent agree
with you. I don't know why Zach Levine and I
got drive by it on that set that aside, I
agree with you a thousand percent on Crystal. The minute
that came out of my mouth, I felt terrible because
Zach Levine's from the Northwest, so I always kind of
root for him, and you're my friend. That was kind
of the terrible thing to say. Yeah, you're talking extemporaneously
and sometimes stuff comes out you feel bad about. It
(35:44):
happens five years. By the way, when you're talking about
people being with you. I thought about this April coming
up April. It's me and my wife's I should know
this eighth year anniversary. But if during my five year anniversary,
how about that? You mean you've coming on. You're never
going boo me boo? Yeah, you and I five years
in April. Yeah, that's okay. I'm not leaving you and
(36:05):
you're not booing me. That's something. It's something. I don't
know what it is, but it's something. I'll talk to
you later, all right, buddy, Nick Wright, First things first,
So I had a terrible opinion and a good one. Yeah, both.
That's what this show is a little bit of hours
of talking today. Yeah, coming up next, Jets put her
for sale, Sign Up New York Jets control the draft
(36:27):
putter for sales. Sign up talk about that next. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays and
New Eastern ninety EM Pacific. Hey, what's up everybody? It's
me three time pro bowler Le Barrington and I couldn't
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(37:11):
wherever you get your podcast from. So a report came
out Sunday ESPN that the Jets were reportedly in This
word's important intrigued by BYU quarterback Zach Wilson. Intrigued is
(37:32):
a keyword because intrigued means we're considering it, but we're
not sure yet. I'll get back to that in a second.
So the Jets essentially put the house for sale, but
you're not sure which house, the Sam Darnold house or
the number two pickhouse. That's why they use the word intrigued.
(37:53):
It's very ambiguous. You could go many different ways. So
when I saw the story, my takeaway was they were
first softening the blow for Darnald and his agent. Hey guys,
we're gonna move off you. Here's a little heads up.
Soften the blow before it happens or trade talk starts.
(38:15):
It was also, in my opinion, when I saw the
We're Intrigued with Kyle Wilson, it was telling the Bears,
the forty nine ers, and the Washington football team call
us and make an offer for Sam Darnel. Now there
may be part of this because they're probably ninety ten
or eighty twenty. Was Zach Wilson where they're telling Denver,
(38:36):
Philadelphia and Carolina, why don't you make as an offer
for the number two pick? You need a quarterback? Maybe
we'll listen there. This is putting the for sale sign up.
You're just not telling everybody quite what's up for sale.
And then today these stories leaked. Now it's official. Now
(39:02):
they're telling you what's for sale. Joe Douglas, the Jets
general manager, according to Ian Rappaport, tells reporters he will
answer calls pertaining to potentially trading Sam Darnold. Brian Costello,
New York Post covers the Jets. Douglas says he'll answer
(39:24):
calls about Sam. This is a departure from his stance
last year in October that he said he was untouchable.
So Sunday they put the for sale sign up. Are
they selling the two pick or they selling Darnald? And
today they made it official. They are moving off Sam Darnold.
It's probably ten twenty. If they don't get a good deal,
(39:49):
maybe they move off it if somebody like Carolina steps
up and gives them the moon. But they're going to
move off Sam Darnold. I've said this before. If I
was I have my questions about Zach Wilson. He looked skinny.
I didn't see him beat any good teams in college.
But you know, either to Josh Allen m I trust
my eyes, he just doesn't. He doesn't look like a
(40:14):
guy that's gonna take over the league. But you know, what,
do I know Trevor Lawrence does Josh Allen does Herbert
this year dead, There's Big Strong move Big Ben and
his prime did uh. There's there's guys that they looked apart.
He was like, oh, that guy could take over the league. Um,
you know, Deshaun Watson has moments You're like, that guy
should be winning. You know a lot of playoff games.
(40:35):
So m I will say this is that I always
I kind of felt they would move off Darnold And
the reason was simple is that new GM wants his
quarterback and new coach wants his quarterback. And in the end,
and I think this happens a lot, you just want
a fresh start. I mean, you know, you moved to
(40:56):
a new house and you just want to buy some
new furniture. You want to go. You wanted to feel
like like a new play even though you may not
need everything. You're like, you know, let's just get let's
get a new couch, and let's get let's geta let's
let's u kind of redo a bathroom. You want to
make it your own. Joe Douglas wants to make the
team his own, and Robert Slow, the head coach, wants
to make the team his own, and so they're gonna
(41:18):
move off Sam Darnald, and I'll say it again. John
Lynch of the Niners I know likes him. Chicago has
Nick Foles, Washington. This is what I talked about a
month ago. He feels like a tough guy, very much
a Ron Rivera fit. So Sam Darnald, he's the house
for sale. Make your calls. Joe Douglas now telling multiple
(41:40):
reporters we will take your calls. Good stuff. Another move
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