April 30, 2021 • 40 mins
More on Aaron Rodgers and where he could end up
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I can teach Joel Clapps on football. Joy Taylor is
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job on the actually cast, so did Daniel Jeremiah. I'll
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be locked in to night Russian home Joy. I love.
I gotta tell you something. There are just four or
five days a year, maybe maybe six or seven. I
just love doing a show. I mean I always, we always,
but this is work. I mean we do it. But
like today it's got in early and I'm just like
Cloud nine. I love the draft, I love the stories,
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I love the optimism. I just felt really positive last night, right,
it really did. Like I didn't feel like there was
a lot of like the stories, like you know, it
was just like really nice, positive life changing. A lot
of hands are back, bro hugs, a lot of high fives.
I thought we were done with high fives. They're bad.
I guess we're vaccinated. We're good. Okay. So Packers GM
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Bryan Goudencun said, we're not trading Aaron Rodgers. Listen, They're
they're moving off Aaron Rodgers now. It may not be
today or tomorrow or this year, they're gonna move off him.
When you publicly humiliate your franchise, it's over. I mean
I could do a lot of things with Fox. I
could yell at my ball, I could do a ton wrong.
If I'm publicly humiliating the company. Ain't gonna work. Hey,
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that's memo to young broadcasters. Don't do that. Glazer, Adam Schefter,
and Ian Rappaport were crediting each other on Twitter. Why
they were fed a story right after our show ended?
Knowing Aaron he did it right after my show end
it because he hates me? All right, So let's just
talk two things. This thing is over. It's over. Okay,
it's over eventually. So let's talk two things. If Aaron
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is traded after June, first, you can split the cap
up so it's not as punitive a hit to the packers.
Number two, what's his landing spot? Well, the two places
the three that were named were San Francisco that ain't happening,
Denver and the Raiders. So let's talk Denver and the Raiders.
Why the Raiders Gruden needs to win now? Number two
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is they can't do their first round picks right anyway.
They keep Butcher and then you can give first round
picks to Green Bay. You can't do it yourself right.
Number three, it's the West Coast. Aaron Rodgers could do Jeopardy,
he could do the Raiders. It works. Number two Denver,
why does it work. Vic Fangio has to win now.
They actually have some weapons they could give to Green Bay.
They they've they've been fortified with some murty nice weapons.
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And also it's a division with you know, Patrick Mahomes
and Derek Carr justin Herbert. You know Derek Carr. Be
nice to have a guy that can like consistently go
toe to toe with a Herbert and I'm a Holmes
talent wise and get it done. So it's but I
do think it's the irony. Be very careful what you
wish for in life. The grass is not always greener.
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So one of the stories about Tom Brady's success, and
let's be honest about this, and I love the goat,
but Buffalo was mostly poorly coached and poorly run with
bad quarterbacks, and the Jets were mostly poorly coached for
twenty years, poorly running and so so quarterbacks. And Miami
was poorly coached and poorly run. And it's harder to
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win now for Bill because like Sean McDermott is good
in stuff, and so's Brian Flores. Aaron Rodgers has spent
the last few years trying to beat ooh, Mitch Trubisky
and the Detroit Lions and Kirk Cousins. Bruh, that that
AFC West thing, Mahomes and Andy Reid twice a year.
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Justin Herbert now appears to have a great offensive line.
If you're going up against Derek Carr, he can beat
you too. And if you're not. Just saying the irony
is Aaron wants out. Be careful what you wish for
that division you've been in. Green Bay is the best
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run team in that division. Green Bay easily develops offensive
lines better than anybody, I think in football. But certainly
in that division you've had very good production. They generally
draft pretty well. Now they're a little frugal. They pull
their khakis up a little high for my taste. But
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just Aaron, be careful what you wish for because you
get traded to San Francisco. That was the rumor yesterday.
Oh good luck facing Russell Wilson twice and Kyder Murray
twice and you know Matt Stafford twice with like you know,
competent coaches. No more troubisky if you go to THEFC West,
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No more Lions. I mean, Denver's the worst team and
Never's got a bunch of good players and as a
history of you know, like building good organizations. Let's bring
on the Clatster. Joel Clatt is joining us live right now.
I mean like Clat's a perfect example. You know, he's
looking at these other shows to go on. He's like,
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you know, Coward's pretty good. He teaches me things. Grass
isn't always greener clat So let's start with this. Oh man,
I was sick to my stomach yesterday afternoon. I'm thinking
why I love John Lynch, I love the Shanahans. They
gave up a fortune, Mac Jones, the fans hate him.
The media is gonna rip him. We're gonna he's gonna
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even if he wins. He's not Russell, he's not Stafford.
And then they go Lance and keep Garoppolo, and I'm like, Okay,
this is gonna work. I just felt like this feels
like the right move, whether it's a home run or not.
To me, it felt right, Keep Garoppolo, get the kid
with a Herbert ceiling. Your thoughts on what the Niners did.
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I wanted to turn this around actually and talk about
it because we've been talking about it this direction for months,
right about, like, well, which quarterbacks should these organizations take
and we've picked apart the quarterbacks and ranked them and
all this, and well should it be Trey Lance and
he's inexperienced, Well should it be mac Jones he's so
efficient and so on and so forth. Let's turn it
around now from the quarterbacks standpoint, which one landed in
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the best fit? See this is where you actually get
to evaluate who's going to have success in the NFL.
And of the five quarterbacks, it's hands down, Trey Lance
ended in the best spot, in the best spot. So
for me, Colin like this was I don't know why
they traded. You know, from what I've been told, they
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did fall in love with mac Jones. Then they made
the trade, and then they sat back and they thought,
why did we do that? We could have got him
at twelve, which you know obviously could have happened last night,
And so they started doing more homework. And then you
start to look at the history of the Shanahans, whether
it's Kyle or Mike on, the style of quarterbacks that
they've had in the past, and what they've had success with,
and I think they finally thought to themselves, wait, wait, wait,
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we're missing the boat here. It's not one or the
other in terms of the Jake Plummer runner, the Robert
Griffin runner or shop and Matt Ryan in the pocket.
What if we could have both? And I know it's
a bit of a projection, but now they land on
Trey Lance, and Trey Lance goes to an organization that
has a win now ready defense offense that I mean,
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this could not be a better fit for both parties.
And I think turning it around like that makes it
a little bit more clear, because even Trevor Lawrence, it's like, great,
you're the first pick. You're going to a terrible team
with a totally unproven coach whom I love a lot, right,
we all love love Urban. I mean, Jacksonville's awful. New
York is awful, right like the Jets are awful. Good
luck Zach Wilson. Chicago hasn't had a good quarterback since
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who knows when. I mean, so good luck justin Fields.
I hope you all have success. There's no doubt. But
Mac Jones and then Trey Lance, more specifically, they landed
in the best spots, no doubt. So by the way,
Clatt sat forty four school records at Colorado, I give
him crap, but sheringing this up. That's a lot of records. God, you,
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you and Drew Brees hold more quarterback records than any
two humans. And I've had you both ought in the
last week. So it was there a move in the
first round? Because there, you know, it's really funny. There's
two ways to mean. The Patriots and the Chargers were
patient and got their guy, and the Bear and the
Bears and Jets were aggressive and they got people they liked.
What was there a first round pick? You went either
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wow or yeah? I think I think both. I think both.
I thought the Cowboys did a nice job. Colin Um
moving back, you still get Micah Parsons. I think he's
still the most high seal, high ceiling defender in the draft.
I like what they did. I think that the Eagles
did a nice job. I think that the Bears did
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a nice job. And then I was scratching my head
with the Titans and the Packers and the Raiders. To
be honest with you, those those three didn't make any
sense to me. I mean, the Titans think of it
this way that it's not even that like, well, their
first round pick last year wasn't that good? It was
a total with he's not even with the organization. You
played like four snaps. And then they take a guy
that just had two back surgeries and Caleb Varley. Now,
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I I love Caleb Farley. He's the best pure man
cover in the corner, there's no doubt. But he's had
two back surgeries, one of them just in March. That's
a huge red flag for an organization that completely whipped
a year ago. The Raiders continually want to be the
smartest team in the room and just select whoever they want,
regardless of value. They've done it now year after year
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after year. Alex Leatherwood is a good player, in particular,
if you could have gotten him in the second round,
which they probably could have sat pat in the second
round and gotten him there, that was interesting. And then
Eric Stokes, while a good corner for Georgia, I thought
that there was other guys that were available at that
spot that probably were better players at the corner position,
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like his teammate Tyson Campbell. So I thought that was interesting.
And they left Elijah Moore on the board, a very
good wide receiver that could have been an olive branch
to the quarterback. That was thrown a fit up in
his room. The teenager who is not talking to his parents.
I'm gonna give you, hey, listen to this plat. I'm
gonna blow you away with my wizardry. Are you ready?
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I guess listen. I just ran it down for you, Mike.
I just get that was like a plus stuff right there,
and I gave you some Please go whenever you want,
wherever you want to. It was very good. I'm not
disputing that, but I would suggest this will be even better.
Listen to this. Okay, I am gonna tell you who
is the first pick in today's Jags have the first pick? Oh? Okay, great,
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I would love to know. I actually have it on
my phone. Okay, but please let me know. Okay, you
have it on your phone. Yeah, of course, So I'm
not gonna tell you. Okay, I'm gonna tell you right
now then and your phone you're by the way, and
your phone is wrong if it doesn't agree with me.
So okay, So you get a rookie quarterback. Terrific. I
can I can even at on the running back I
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can totally defend because by the way, the bell cow
running back argument. Go ask the Panthers with Christian McCaffrey
and the Cowboys. Was zeke how the Bell cow thing works?
It doesn't, guys, get They just three years in. So
I can argue they have now two really good running backs,
but they're bad at left tackle. Liam Eikenberg Notre Dame
left tackle, first pick, Jags, Boom, go to your phone?
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What to say? Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
tell you. I can't divulge what it is. I'm gonna
tell you. I I think you're wrong, Well, then urban's wrong.
If that's not the pick, I'll tell you right now. Okay,
But but I don't know. Let me, I'll tell you what.
I'll give it. I'll get something a little bit more
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official later. Okay. Okay, So that was my that's my also.
Asante Samuel, Florida State, really good corner. Yes, well that's
again one. That's one of those ones at the Stokes
pick for the Packers, you know, Tyson Campbell, Asante, Samuel.
I think both of those guys probably were better than
Eric Stokes. But go go ahead. I agree with you
right like you're saying Samuel's a good value up there right. Yes, yes, Jet.
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By the way, Jets need a corner and and a
running back just thrown it out there. Okay, let's let's
stop the speculation because Leam Eichenberg will be picked a
class bluffing right now, let us go. I'm not bluffing.
Mac Jones to New England. You didn't have to, you
didn't have to give up anything. I almost found myself
Joel kind of rooting for him because I felt bad
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for him, whereas I would have rooted against him in
San Francisco because he's overdrafted. I watched last night and
I'm like, oh, this is sad. I think it's just
perfect for him in New England. I do too, and
I just want so badly. Can we be honest like
I want so badly for fifteen years from now now
everyone hates the Patriots, but whatever I want so badly
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in fifteen years after maybe a couple Super Bowl appearances,
maybe one or two more wins for the Patriots, I know,
everyone just throw up in their mouth, but if they
and then we can put the split screen up that
was floating around the internet of Tom Brady at the
combine and then Mac Jones with a shirt off and
the cigar, and it's just like quarterback scouting one oh one,
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find this, you know, like that's what That's what I'm
dreaming of. I hope it works for them, and I
think that it could. I was trying to make a point,
and you know, TV is tough because you've got so
little time. But the New England offense at its best,
what wasn't necessarily just about Brady. It was about the
ability to be surgical, right. They needed a surgeon to
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run that offense. For Josh McDaniels. That's what he never
had in Denver when he tried to force Tim Tebow
in the first round. He needs a surgeon. Think about
Super Bowl forty nine column. Okay, I know it's probably
hard for you being from Seattle, but they were down
ten in the fourth quarter and he went thirteen of
fifteen with two touchdowns in that fourth corner against the
number one defense in the league. That was a surgical
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performance from Tom Brady. And the best surgeon at the
quarterback position is Mac Jones in this draft, and they
got that style of player, a guy that's ready on
his feet. The ball is out on time, it goes
to the right spot. Almost every single time. You very
rarely see him make a poor decision. He's very accurate
down the field. While it's not the strongest arm, because
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he throws the ball so quickly and it's out with
a quick release, he rarely under throws the ball, and
even to fast guys like Waddle and DeVante Smith. So
I think that this is a pick that could work
out in spades for New England. And they did not
have to move up to get him, and I think
it's going to work out in the end for mac Jones.
Are you working the draft thing tonight too, right? Yeah,
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I'm actually gonna move over to the like the main
desk with DJA and Charles Davis and Rich So I'll
be on tonight. Nice guys, that's a nice little place
for you. Yeah, because you can be difficult to deal with,
but those guys will keep you times, they'll keep you honest.
That's why this works with us. Keep you honest. Leah Meikenberg.
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So you're telling me officially it's not leam Meikenberg. Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay,
let me ask you this though, Clatt, It wouldn't be
a wouldn't be a bad pick. I love I love
Eikenberg and and we're gonna see a few Notre Dame picks.
A Wosu Koramoa is going to come off the board
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early tonight, the hybrid safety, kind of Nicol style player.
Ikenberg's fantastic, and you cannot argue with the lineage of
Notre Dame offensive lineman. Thank you. I talk to people
around the league and even around college football. They always
say best coached offensive line. They're tough, they're ready, they
run NFL schemes. Ikenberg's a phenomenal pick. Okay, but it's
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not happening apparently. So hey, listen, a man can root.
Watch him tonight with Eisen Clatt, Daniel Jeremiah, Charles Davis
is a total problem. I love him. Good for you.
Where'd it go? Clatt? Nice work today, excellent information. I
loved it today, buddy, appreciate you guys. Have a good day,
all right, So watch that tonight. That'll be great. I
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go back and forth on these networks. I'm all over
the place on that stuff. I would like first, if
you're loyal, Yeah yeah, I'm not really, So I'm loyal
to Clat. So he has a lot I give him
a lot of crap, but he's got a ton of information.
So this morning. I have my theory is Aikenberg goes
to the Jags because they're not good at tackle right
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They've been disappointed for years with is it Robinson that
the left tackle? They're Greg Robinson, So that's me left tackle,
Asante Samuel or a running back from Carolina to the Jets.
And then the third pick is Atlanta today and I
would go Asante Samuel if the Jets don't take him.
Is there an uninteresting team in the NFL next next season? Detroit?
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I don't know. I kind of want to see what
Jared Goff does. It's a tire fire. I mean, you
pull over the side of the road to watch it.
But it's not I mean, but like not, there's gonna
be bad teams, we know that. But I'm saying uninteresting,
like you're not interested at all to see how Jericoff does.
I am. I want to see how he does. Yeah,
that's true. That's a good point. Completely uninteresting. I don't
know's it's a good point. Everybody has made some significant moves.
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As good as the NFC West is Arizona could finish
fourth and be fascinating They were last year Cincinnati Now
were Jamar Chase and t Higgins and Joe Burrow could
finish fourth and be a great watch. I mean, the
league's in really good shape. Jacksonville now is must watch
for Trevor asolutely. Absolutely have to watch and figure out
what they do. All right, I'm just rambling here, all right.
Greg Jettings thoughts on Aaron Rodgers, Thomas Dematroft, the former
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Falcon GM super smart guy. We're just starting man one
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at seven pm Eastern to follow along live. One of
today's contest questions is how many quarterbacks will be drafted
in Round two? The options are zero, one, two, three,
four or more? What do you think? Two? Two? Kyle Trask,
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Mond and Kyle Trask Probably yeah, listen. I still I
am holding out hope for Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame Tackle
to go with Urban Meyer's first second round pick, but
they have two really good second round picks and two thirds,
so it is a very good tackle draft, so you
can get guys later. By by the way, let me
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let me just throw this out on the New York Jets.
Is it's not. I mean, listen, obviously, scouting and stuff
is inexact. It's hard to do. I'm not saying it
would be easy for any of us. But you can
learn to be a good general manager. And there are
some steps. I mean, Bill Polian gave us a great
one yesterday. Years ago. Barry Sanders and Tony Mandridge were available,
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and Bill Polian's a young general manager, and he asked
a mentor, who would you take? And he goes, you're
out of your mind. He goes, Tony Mandridge has to
block one guy. Barry Sanders is going to make eleven
guys miss. You take Barry Sanders. There are certain rules
to this. One of the easy rules is you got
to get a franchise quarterback. Then you got to protect
him and get weapons. Worry about the defense. Second, you're
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not winning Super Bowls with a rookie quarterback or a
second year quarterback in most instances, even Mahomes, you know,
usually it's late second third year, they pop. So by
the way, Chris Ballard's a great GM. Second year with
the Colts, he goes all in on the offensive line.
By the way, Tom Talesco gets Justin Herbert start quarterback.
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What do you do this offseason? Rebuilt the offensive line?
What did Brett Veach, one of the great gms in
the NFL do this offseason? Completely rebuilt the offensive line,
spent a fortune. It ain't tough. Fine yours quarterback, protect
him and get him weapons. And so Joe Douglas, the
Jets GM don't know him well, but he's pretty smart.
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Sam Donald failed for a lot of reasons in New York,
but primarily he failed because even as an athletic quarterback,
he was sacked thirty three times a year on average.
And that's missing ten games in three years due to injuries.
Donald never had a shot. He didn't have great weapons,
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he didn't have dependably healthy tight ends, he had no
running game. But Donald's athletic, and he got sacked. I
think it was thirty five times last year. Thirty three
times a year on average. Zach Wilson, Joe Douglas took
the Jets GM job last year, gets a left tackle,
and yesterday moves up to get the best guard prospect
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in the draft. So the left side of that offensive line,
they're good enough. At center boom so, Zach Wilson may fail.
Robert Salom might not be the right coach. The divisions
too tough, he may fail. Corey Davis doesn't live up
to his contract. At wide receiver, he may fail. He's
not gonna fail because he's not protected. So this, I mean,
I'm not saying it's easy to be a GM, but
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it's not brain surgery. Find a great quarterback, protect him,
get him weapons. That's pretty easy stuff. Then hire a
good defensive coordinator. Keep you in ball games so you
can you know, you don't have to score forty eight
a Sunday to win. But I think if you're a
Jets fan, you have to feel like, at least we've
got a grown up running the organization. I mean, that's
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that's what you'll want. He gets it, Zach Wilson, and
now protect him. It's why I think Urban's going to
take a left tackle very early in today's second round.
Joy Taylor with the news, No, no, this is the
herd line news. I hope the Bengals take an offensive line. Well,
then again, but they have a left tackle and a center.
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They like they need an offensive linement, but they do
have a good left tackle in a good center. They
they didn't make some moves, but Joe Burrows coming off
of knee surgery after running for life totally and that
division's got good pass rugs. Miles Garrett got to be
strong in the trenches exactly. Another team I hope takes
an offensive linemen as the Dolphins, but they had two
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picks in the first round yesterday. Their first choice at
number six was Alabama wide receiver Jaalen Waddle, who will
reunite with his college teammate tah And they also selected
the first edge rusher of the draft, jam And Phillips
out of Miami with the eighteenth fit. You were talking
about him yesterday day, Listen. I just think I gotta
be honest with you. What they're really doing in Miami
is they're getting dynamic players. Two is not terribly dynamic,
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but these are two dynamic players on the perimeter, one
a receiver, one an edge rusher. I thought Jayalen Phillips,
and we said this yesterday on television. We said Jaylen Phillips.
I'm being told is moving up. Everybody had him late
first and I was told, no way, He's going to
go right in the middle of the first round. Well,
you know, there weren't that many edge rushers in the
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top of this draft. So and that is a position
to your point. You get the quarterback, you get the trenches,
someone to protect him, and then you get someone who
can get at their quarterback. Yeah, that's the process. Josh
Allen twice a year. You've got to make him uncomfortable exactly.
So he had forty five total tackles, eight sacks, and
one interception last year. And Jalen Waddle had an injury
last season, but in the first four games he had
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twenty five catches, five hundred and fifty seven yards and
four touchdowns. Came back to the championship game and had
three catches with thirty four yards. And the Dolphins still
have six picks, remaining two in the second round. So
the Jaguars got a familiar face for Trevor Lawrence with
their second selection on Night one of the draft, twenty
fifth pick running back Travis CTN from Clemson. I love
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this pick for them. So the first time NFL history
of team has selected a quarterback and a running back
from the same school in the first rounds of the
common draft era. But Travis etm was a dynamic player
in college. One hundred and sixty eight carries, nine hundred
and fourteen rushing yards, fourteen rushing touchdown. Character great receiving
back as well, that's the key. So he was not
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a great receiving back the year before in college. He
came back and became a better receiving back. And by
the way, folks, first of all, Urban has a history.
What is the thing you can give a young quarterback,
a rookie quarterback to help him, protection and a running game.
So I don't these people that are saying, well, the
Jags have a good running back. The bell cow thing
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doesn't work. You gotta have two of this is this
is not college. You need two fifteen carry a game. Guys.
It's so crucial for a young quarterback, and he already
has a relationship with him. I think this makes perfect sense.
He had forty eight catches, five hundred and eighty eight
receiving yards, and two receiving touchdowns last year. He broke
the all time ACC rushing record last season and set
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an NCAA record for most games with a touchdown, like
he is a productive player. Okay, so most people had
eighteen players in the first round as real first round players,
and then and then from like pick nineteen twenty two
late second feel like second round players. Both gms I
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talked to had Travis atn eighteenth or nineteenth best player
in the draft, so they got a match to it.
Wasn't anybody who thinks it's a reach does know what
they're talking about. These are good gms. This is a
really good football player, a really good kid. And by
the way, Trevor Lawrence now has an excellent wide receiver
because they went and got one either last year the
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year before from Colorado, very clever wide receiver. Now they
got to fix their tackles. But he's got two legitimate
running back talent and they already know each other as well.
The Jags have two picks in the second round, the
first one and the thirteenth I believe, and then eight
left in total. They gotta get a tackle. They gotta
get a tackle. So DeVante Smith was the third receiver
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taken off the board. The Eagles drafted him tenth overall.
Philly made a deal with Dallas to move up two
spots to get the Heisman winner. He said he was
shocked that the Eagles traded up for him, but he
called it a blessing and as excited to get started.
He obviously won the Heisman last year. There's a lot
of questions about his size and you know, if he's
going to be durable in the NFL, which is why
he ended up being the third receiver taken. But I'm
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actually not surprised that he was drafted this high. He
is the Heisman winner. I understand his size, but he's
incredibly productive. One hundred and seventeen receptions over eighteen hundred yards,
twenty three touchdowns. The Eagles have nine picks remaining. They're
going to add him to a receiving corps of Jalen Rager,
J G Rsego white Side, greg Ward, Miles Sanders, Boston,
Scott zach Ertz, Dallas Goddard. So this is just another
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weapon for Jalen Hurts. I also like that because obviously
there were still quarterbacks on the board that they they're
sticking with Jalen Hurts. Give him an opportunity and give
him a weapon. Well, we know by what the Giants
drafted the receiver that the Giants take him, they were
going to take Davonte Smith, so and that had been
in the New York papers. So, like he said, they said, listen,
we don't want to face him in division. We want
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to have him on our team in the division. So
I get it. Yeah, So they traded the tenth overall
pick and the Cowboys got the twelfth overall pick, which
ended up being Michael Parsons, which worked out perfectly for
the Cowboys, and the third round pick eighty fourth overall.
But I really like this move for Philadelphia, and I
liked it. They're committing to Jalen Hurt's given me ye
give him a weapons. And I do think that DeVante
Smith is going to be more successful than people think
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if they use him the right way. He's a very
dynamic player. Oh no, yeah, he'll work. I just will
he last? I think he'll work. He's too dynamic not
to work. I mean, I think it's all relative. Right,
likes every player you're drafting, you're expecting to have a
fifteen sixteen year career. No, if he gives you six
or seven years of high level productions, that's worth that pick.
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There you go, Joy with the news. Well that's the
news and thanks for stopping back the Herdline news all right,
Greg Jennings reacting to what was clearly a planted story
by Aaron Rodgers or his camp to humiliate the Packers yesterday.
While that that story broke five minutes after we left
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the year it was, I got a call, can you
post something on this? Can you have a reaction because
nobody wants to wait twenty one hours for it? And
I was just like, somebody called me and said I
want a reaction and I said a reaction on what?
And they said, yeah, Aaron Rodgers says he refuses to
play for Green Band. I'm like, oh what. He let
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it out yesterday. Couldn't have said that two weeks ago.
And there were stories, by the way that Green Bay
told Aaron on the offseason we're gonna move off you
because he was frustrated. Then they backed off that, so
who knows what's true. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Hey,
(29:39):
I'm John Middlecoff and I host the Three and Out podcast.
Do you like football? Do you like the NFL? Do
you like the NFL draft quarterbacks? Coaches? Well, I talk
about it all on the show. I used to work
for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I give you
my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that goes on
the NFL. And you know we're talking college football because
of how import in the draft is year round. Listen
(30:02):
to the Three and Out podcast with me John Middlecom
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your podcast, Greg Jennings. Now if Umer Packer joins me live,
So this is my theory, you can shoot it down
that Aaron Rodgers, who can be a little petty, a
little pass up aggressive. So he felt a year ago
you tried to humiliate me, and Aaron said, I'm not
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going to forget that, and on draft day a year later,
I'm gonna humiliate you. That's my gut feeling the timing
was not a coincidence. Your thoughts on my opinion there, Well,
I definitely don't think the timing was a coincidence. Look,
whether or not he was trying to humiliate the Green
Bay Packers, that's unknown. But what I do know is
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he's in a relationship and it's a relationship that has
been fractured. And anytime you are in the relationship, you
know the needs in what's necessary to repair that relationship.
I believe Aaron Rodgers was trying to really fill out
the Packers and understand and make his feelings felt and
see what they were gonna do. Are you gonna give
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me the wants that I want versus the need that
I understand that the organization desires and may need. What
are you going to address my wants? So the packers
the boy they can confound us. You know, historically they're
pretty good drafters, but they kind of reached for a
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corner at the end of the first round. Forget it.
Even if he doesn't work, it's not I mean there
was I think there was better quality wide receivers available.
Did you did you take anything from them drafting a
corner a little bit of a reach at the end
of the first round. I did, I did Colin I
And again I understand about the need. Do they need
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the corners? Yes, But there's a one that everyone on
the planet who understands anything about the Green Bay Packers
and Aaron Rodgers and the weapons that's needed. They know
he needs another pass catcher. And so with Elijah Moore
being available, with so many guys being available, you would
think that in a relationship. Again, I'm married, You're married, Colin,
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if we understand the needs. But if my wife is
expressed what she desires, what she wants, I better walk
into wherever she is and hander some flowers and try
to make sure that she at some point gets what
she wants versus what I know or we believe it's needed.
And that's what the grave a packers didn't do. They
didn't get what Aaron wants. So it tells me that
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they're just throwing salt on a wound, throwing dirt on
the grave. Look, we're moving on eventually, face it. This
is what we do. You know it. The writing has
been on the wall with Bart Star, with Brett Farve,
now with you, this is how we operate. Listen, Aaron,
I just I said this earlier. If you humiliate each
other in public, it's over. It's just a matter of time.
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And there's a story that they actually told Aaron in
the offseason, hey we're gonna move you. They backed off.
I hear raiders, I hear Denver. I mean, if I
had to say to you, I mean Denver does have
in a division with Mahomes by the way, Raiders and
Raiders in Denver and a division with Mahomes, So be
careful what you asked for. But could you see a
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place where he fits, where you think he fits, Well,
there's a couple of teams in the NFC. However, I
just don't think if the Packers are to move Aaron
Rodgers that he would go and they would move him
anywhere in the NFC. So I just immediately eliminate like
teams like the Saints obviously with their quarterback situation. So
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when you look at the Raiders in Denver, I like
the Denver Bronco situation. They got a lot of young weapons,
they got some defense that you know is there, they
got some pieces, and they struggled with quarterback. And I
believe the relationship that Aaron Rodgers has with John Elway
that could be something special. Alway, we know he's struck
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out unless he went out and grabbed Peyton Manning and
then that worked out. So maybe he could do it
again and try to acquire a talent like Aaron Rodgers
and then bring another Super Bowl to Mile High. You know, Greg,
a lot of wide receivers taken. I didn't love Cadarius
Tony to Giants. I thought it was a little bit
(34:24):
of a reach. I don't think they need receivers. I
actually think between Darius Slayton, Stirling Shepherd, Kenny Golladay, Evan Ingram,
Kyle Rudolph, se Quon Barkley, they got a bunch of
pass catchers. But whatever, um if I if you could
say to all these receivers in the first round, I
know you're great, but here's the one thing you're going
to have to adjust to be an NFL wide receiver.
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What would your what would your you know, advice be
to all these first round wide receiver talents. It would
just simply be to adjust to the speed of the game.
It's going to be different. The pace of the game,
the safety rotations, all of those things that the skizing
of defenses. It's gonna be a little quicker, and the
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talent obviously is gonna be better. But bring your A games.
We all know these guys at a games. I love
where some of these guys have ended up. Specifically, in
my opinion, I really love where Rashad Bateman ended up.
I had a chance to sit down with him. He's
a really good guy who understands the game and wants
to improve and has something to prove. And I think
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he's gonna not only make Lamar Jackson better. I think
Lamar Jackson's gonna make him better. I like where he
ended up yesterday. So you know, you know the Bears
pretty well. Okay, so you were in that division. They
trade up to get Justin Fields and listen, it's it's
a big, loud town. It's like New York and Philadelphia.
They love their sports. You've played there, you know it
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can be windy and cold, but Justin Fields played, you know,
he played in Ohio State. Just kind of yourth sense
on them moving up getting a young guy behind Andy Dalton.
What you how do you think the Bears did? I
like what they did. They they did what was necessary
not only for Ryan Pace and Matt Naggy as as
the heads, but for that organization, for the guys in
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that locker room, letting them know, look, we are going
to get this right at the quarterback position. Even if
we get it wrong, We're going to continue to throw
logs on the fire and try to strike, and that's
what they did. Justin fields. He's comfortable in these climates.
He understands the hostile rivalries like the Green Bay Packers.
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He was at Ohio State against the Order Names and
the Michigans and the Michigan States and all of that.
He's comfortable in these situations. And I think he'll thrive
with the Chicago Bears. I you know, I love watching
the draft as a former player. It probably takes you
back to Draft night for you. And I mean, I
just the whole thing. Did you notice the Packers all
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the all the war rooms last night, all the draft rooms,
everybody was high five and the jumping up and down
and going crazy. And they took a picture of the
Packers and it was a little low energy, and I
did think to myself, Greg, I honestly thought, this, they're
worn out for Aaron, Hey, We're just there was no
high fives, there was no congrat I kind of feel
like Green Base kind of exhausted. I felt like yesterday
(37:18):
they were like, oh God, let's just get through the weekend.
Them I reach in there to just send it a little.
I don't know if that's the case. I think they're
so intently focused on doing what they feel is best
for the organization, even though you, myself and so many
other minds and talking heads believe that what is best
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for the organization it is ensuring that Aaron Rodgers is happy.
That ensures your opportunity to continue to get to NFC
Championship game after NFC Championship game and have a chance
to put your team in contention to win another Lombardi Trophy.
But hey, what do I know. I'm not a general manager,
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I'm not a head coach. I'm just a player who
played with the guy that they need to make happy.
Craig Jennings, Fox Sports NFL analyst, have a great weekend, buddy.
Appreciate you stopping by. Absolutely appreciate you. Guys. Yeah, by
the way, what also makes it weird is they went
and drafted a corner who appears to be a reach.
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By the way, this is another thing. Tampa Bay's Jason
Lte has been a great draft weekend GM. They went
and got Joe Tryon. You can make an argument the
Packers missed on j J. Watt. They need an edge rusher,
now they need a corner. I'm not disputing that, but
it was kind of a reach. Listen, sometimes you have
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to do stuff to appease people. Not everybody is joy
in low maintenance. A lot of people are needy, and
sometimes you gotta appease and play kate a little needier people.
The world has changed, so you have to stars, and
you're not gonna win without stars. Not everybody gonna win
(39:03):
without a franchise. Not everybody's Steph Curry, Kevin Durant needs
a little hug, Aaron needs a little hug. Could you
just take a wide receiver in the first round? Could you?
They're not the end of the world. Take a quarterback
last year in the first round. Just appease him. It's
not like you don't go crazy out here. I don't.
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I truly don't understand. But I don't understand the pushback
on Aaron either. Like everywhere you've worked, you've enjoyed your environments,
and you've loved your bosses, and you've never questioned any
decisions that they've made, and you've never felt like you
were more valuable than that place. Like everyone can relate
in some way to what Aaron Rodgers was going through.
We just have this expectation that he's just supposed to
sit back and take it. He's a public figure. It's
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so Less in the staff will do that. We wish
in the very best. Joel Clapp in a few minutes,
love to teach him football. I live for days when
I can teach Joel Clapps on football. Joy Taylor is
joining me. Joy, how are you? Bill did a good
job on the actually cast, so did Daniel Jeremiah. I'll
(01:06):
be locked in to night Russian home Joy. I love.
I gotta tell you something. There are just four or
five days a year, maybe maybe six or seven. I
just love doing a show. I mean I always, we always,
but this is work. I mean we do it. But
like today it's got in early and I'm just like
Cloud nine. I love the draft, I love the stories,
(01:27):
I love the optimism. I just felt really positive last night, right,
it really did. Like I didn't feel like there was
a lot of like the stories, like you know, it
was just like really nice, positive life changing. A lot
of hands are back, bro hugs, a lot of high fives.
I thought we were done with high fives. They're bad.
I guess we're vaccinated. We're good. Okay. So Packers GM
(01:48):
Bryan Goudencun said, we're not trading Aaron Rodgers. Listen, They're
they're moving off Aaron Rodgers now. It may not be
today or tomorrow or this year, they're gonna move off him.
When you publicly humiliate your franchise, it's over. I mean
I could do a lot of things with Fox. I
could yell at my ball, I could do a ton wrong.
If I'm publicly humiliating the company. Ain't gonna work. Hey,
(02:10):
that's memo to young broadcasters. Don't do that. Glazer, Adam Schefter,
and Ian Rappaport were crediting each other on Twitter. Why
they were fed a story right after our show ended?
Knowing Aaron he did it right after my show end
it because he hates me? All right, So let's just
talk two things. This thing is over. It's over. Okay,
it's over eventually. So let's talk two things. If Aaron
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is traded after June, first, you can split the cap
up so it's not as punitive a hit to the packers.
Number two, what's his landing spot? Well, the two places
the three that were named were San Francisco that ain't happening,
Denver and the Raiders. So let's talk Denver and the Raiders.
Why the Raiders Gruden needs to win now? Number two
(02:52):
is they can't do their first round picks right anyway.
They keep Butcher and then you can give first round
picks to Green Bay. You can't do it yourself right.
Number three, it's the West Coast. Aaron Rodgers could do Jeopardy,
he could do the Raiders. It works. Number two Denver,
why does it work. Vic Fangio has to win now.
They actually have some weapons they could give to Green Bay.
They they've they've been fortified with some murty nice weapons.
(03:15):
And also it's a division with you know, Patrick Mahomes
and Derek Carr justin Herbert. You know Derek Carr. Be
nice to have a guy that can like consistently go
toe to toe with a Herbert and I'm a Holmes
talent wise and get it done. So it's but I
do think it's the irony. Be very careful what you
wish for in life. The grass is not always greener.
(03:38):
So one of the stories about Tom Brady's success, and
let's be honest about this, and I love the goat,
but Buffalo was mostly poorly coached and poorly run with
bad quarterbacks, and the Jets were mostly poorly coached for
twenty years, poorly running and so so quarterbacks. And Miami
was poorly coached and poorly run. And it's harder to
(04:01):
win now for Bill because like Sean McDermott is good
in stuff, and so's Brian Flores. Aaron Rodgers has spent
the last few years trying to beat ooh, Mitch Trubisky
and the Detroit Lions and Kirk Cousins. Bruh, that that
AFC West thing, Mahomes and Andy Reid twice a year.
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Justin Herbert now appears to have a great offensive line.
If you're going up against Derek Carr, he can beat
you too. And if you're not. Just saying the irony
is Aaron wants out. Be careful what you wish for
that division you've been in. Green Bay is the best
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run team in that division. Green Bay easily develops offensive
lines better than anybody, I think in football. But certainly
in that division you've had very good production. They generally
draft pretty well. Now they're a little frugal. They pull
their khakis up a little high for my taste. But
(05:09):
just Aaron, be careful what you wish for because you
get traded to San Francisco. That was the rumor yesterday.
Oh good luck facing Russell Wilson twice and Kyder Murray
twice and you know Matt Stafford twice with like you know,
competent coaches. No more troubisky if you go to THEFC West,
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No more Lions. I mean, Denver's the worst team and
Never's got a bunch of good players and as a
history of you know, like building good organizations. Let's bring
on the Clatster. Joel Clatt is joining us live right now.
I mean like Clat's a perfect example. You know, he's
looking at these other shows to go on. He's like,
(05:53):
you know, Coward's pretty good. He teaches me things. Grass
isn't always greener clat So let's start with this. Oh man,
I was sick to my stomach yesterday afternoon. I'm thinking
why I love John Lynch, I love the Shanahans. They
gave up a fortune, Mac Jones, the fans hate him.
The media is gonna rip him. We're gonna he's gonna
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even if he wins. He's not Russell, he's not Stafford.
And then they go Lance and keep Garoppolo, and I'm like, Okay,
this is gonna work. I just felt like this feels
like the right move, whether it's a home run or not.
To me, it felt right, Keep Garoppolo, get the kid
with a Herbert ceiling. Your thoughts on what the Niners did.
(06:38):
I wanted to turn this around actually and talk about
it because we've been talking about it this direction for months,
right about, like, well, which quarterbacks should these organizations take
and we've picked apart the quarterbacks and ranked them and
all this, and well should it be Trey Lance and
he's inexperienced, Well should it be mac Jones he's so
efficient and so on and so forth. Let's turn it
around now from the quarterbacks standpoint, which one landed in
(07:01):
the best fit? See this is where you actually get
to evaluate who's going to have success in the NFL.
And of the five quarterbacks, it's hands down, Trey Lance
ended in the best spot, in the best spot. So
for me, Colin like this was I don't know why
they traded. You know, from what I've been told, they
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did fall in love with mac Jones. Then they made
the trade, and then they sat back and they thought,
why did we do that? We could have got him
at twelve, which you know obviously could have happened last night,
And so they started doing more homework. And then you
start to look at the history of the Shanahans, whether
it's Kyle or Mike on, the style of quarterbacks that
they've had in the past, and what they've had success with,
and I think they finally thought to themselves, wait, wait, wait,
(07:45):
we're missing the boat here. It's not one or the
other in terms of the Jake Plummer runner, the Robert
Griffin runner or shop and Matt Ryan in the pocket.
What if we could have both? And I know it's
a bit of a projection, but now they land on
Trey Lance, and Trey Lance goes to an organization that
has a win now ready defense offense that I mean,
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this could not be a better fit for both parties.
And I think turning it around like that makes it
a little bit more clear, because even Trevor Lawrence, it's like, great,
you're the first pick. You're going to a terrible team
with a totally unproven coach whom I love a lot, right,
we all love love Urban. I mean, Jacksonville's awful. New
York is awful, right like the Jets are awful. Good
luck Zach Wilson. Chicago hasn't had a good quarterback since
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who knows when. I mean, so good luck justin Fields.
I hope you all have success. There's no doubt. But
Mac Jones and then Trey Lance, more specifically, they landed
in the best spots, no doubt. So by the way,
Clatt sat forty four school records at Colorado, I give
him crap, but sheringing this up. That's a lot of records. God, you,
(08:53):
you and Drew Brees hold more quarterback records than any
two humans. And I've had you both ought in the
last week. So it was there a move in the
first round? Because there, you know, it's really funny. There's
two ways to mean. The Patriots and the Chargers were
patient and got their guy, and the Bear and the
Bears and Jets were aggressive and they got people they liked.
What was there a first round pick? You went either
(09:14):
wow or yeah? I think I think both. I think both.
I thought the Cowboys did a nice job. Colin Um
moving back, you still get Micah Parsons. I think he's
still the most high seal, high ceiling defender in the draft.
I like what they did. I think that the Eagles
did a nice job. I think that the Bears did
(09:37):
a nice job. And then I was scratching my head
with the Titans and the Packers and the Raiders. To
be honest with you, those those three didn't make any
sense to me. I mean, the Titans think of it
this way that it's not even that like, well, their
first round pick last year wasn't that good? It was
a total with he's not even with the organization. You
played like four snaps. And then they take a guy
that just had two back surgeries and Caleb Varley. Now,
(09:59):
I I love Caleb Farley. He's the best pure man
cover in the corner, there's no doubt. But he's had
two back surgeries, one of them just in March. That's
a huge red flag for an organization that completely whipped
a year ago. The Raiders continually want to be the
smartest team in the room and just select whoever they want,
regardless of value. They've done it now year after year
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after year. Alex Leatherwood is a good player, in particular,
if you could have gotten him in the second round,
which they probably could have sat pat in the second
round and gotten him there, that was interesting. And then
Eric Stokes, while a good corner for Georgia, I thought
that there was other guys that were available at that
spot that probably were better players at the corner position,
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like his teammate Tyson Campbell. So I thought that was interesting.
And they left Elijah Moore on the board, a very
good wide receiver that could have been an olive branch
to the quarterback. That was thrown a fit up in
his room. The teenager who is not talking to his parents.
I'm gonna give you, hey, listen to this plat. I'm
gonna blow you away with my wizardry. Are you ready?
(11:02):
I guess listen. I just ran it down for you, Mike.
I just get that was like a plus stuff right there,
and I gave you some Please go whenever you want,
wherever you want to. It was very good. I'm not
disputing that, but I would suggest this will be even better.
Listen to this. Okay, I am gonna tell you who
is the first pick in today's Jags have the first pick? Oh? Okay, great,
(11:24):
I would love to know. I actually have it on
my phone. Okay, but please let me know. Okay, you
have it on your phone. Yeah, of course, So I'm
not gonna tell you. Okay, I'm gonna tell you right
now then and your phone you're by the way, and
your phone is wrong if it doesn't agree with me.
So okay, So you get a rookie quarterback. Terrific. I
can I can even at on the running back I
(11:46):
can totally defend because by the way, the bell cow
running back argument. Go ask the Panthers with Christian McCaffrey
and the Cowboys. Was zeke how the Bell cow thing works?
It doesn't, guys, get They just three years in. So
I can argue they have now two really good running backs,
but they're bad at left tackle. Liam Eikenberg Notre Dame
left tackle, first pick, Jags, Boom, go to your phone?
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What to say? Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
tell you. I can't divulge what it is. I'm gonna
tell you. I I think you're wrong, Well, then urban's wrong.
If that's not the pick, I'll tell you right now. Okay,
But but I don't know. Let me, I'll tell you what.
I'll give it. I'll get something a little bit more
(12:31):
official later. Okay. Okay, So that was my that's my also.
Asante Samuel, Florida State, really good corner. Yes, well that's
again one. That's one of those ones at the Stokes
pick for the Packers, you know, Tyson Campbell, Asante, Samuel.
I think both of those guys probably were better than
Eric Stokes. But go go ahead. I agree with you
right like you're saying Samuel's a good value up there right. Yes, yes, Jet.
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By the way, Jets need a corner and and a
running back just thrown it out there. Okay, let's let's
stop the speculation because Leam Eichenberg will be picked a
class bluffing right now, let us go. I'm not bluffing.
Mac Jones to New England. You didn't have to, you
didn't have to give up anything. I almost found myself
Joel kind of rooting for him because I felt bad
(13:18):
for him, whereas I would have rooted against him in
San Francisco because he's overdrafted. I watched last night and
I'm like, oh, this is sad. I think it's just
perfect for him in New England. I do too, and
I just want so badly. Can we be honest like
I want so badly for fifteen years from now now
everyone hates the Patriots, but whatever I want so badly
(13:42):
in fifteen years after maybe a couple Super Bowl appearances,
maybe one or two more wins for the Patriots, I know,
everyone just throw up in their mouth, but if they
and then we can put the split screen up that
was floating around the internet of Tom Brady at the
combine and then Mac Jones with a shirt off and
the cigar, and it's just like quarterback scouting one oh one,
(14:03):
find this, you know, like that's what That's what I'm
dreaming of. I hope it works for them, and I
think that it could. I was trying to make a point,
and you know, TV is tough because you've got so
little time. But the New England offense at its best,
what wasn't necessarily just about Brady. It was about the
ability to be surgical, right. They needed a surgeon to
(14:25):
run that offense. For Josh McDaniels. That's what he never
had in Denver when he tried to force Tim Tebow
in the first round. He needs a surgeon. Think about
Super Bowl forty nine column. Okay, I know it's probably
hard for you being from Seattle, but they were down
ten in the fourth quarter and he went thirteen of
fifteen with two touchdowns in that fourth corner against the
number one defense in the league. That was a surgical
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performance from Tom Brady. And the best surgeon at the
quarterback position is Mac Jones in this draft, and they
got that style of player, a guy that's ready on
his feet. The ball is out on time, it goes
to the right spot. Almost every single time. You very
rarely see him make a poor decision. He's very accurate
down the field. While it's not the strongest arm, because
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he throws the ball so quickly and it's out with
a quick release, he rarely under throws the ball, and
even to fast guys like Waddle and DeVante Smith. So
I think that this is a pick that could work
out in spades for New England. And they did not
have to move up to get him, and I think
it's going to work out in the end for mac Jones.
Are you working the draft thing tonight too, right? Yeah,
(15:30):
I'm actually gonna move over to the like the main
desk with DJA and Charles Davis and Rich So I'll
be on tonight. Nice guys, that's a nice little place
for you. Yeah, because you can be difficult to deal with,
but those guys will keep you times, they'll keep you honest.
That's why this works with us. Keep you honest. Leah Meikenberg.
(15:56):
So you're telling me officially it's not leam Meikenberg. Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay,
let me ask you this though, Clatt, It wouldn't be
a wouldn't be a bad pick. I love I love
Eikenberg and and we're gonna see a few Notre Dame picks.
A Wosu Koramoa is going to come off the board
(16:17):
early tonight, the hybrid safety, kind of Nicol style player.
Ikenberg's fantastic, and you cannot argue with the lineage of
Notre Dame offensive lineman. Thank you. I talk to people
around the league and even around college football. They always
say best coached offensive line. They're tough, they're ready, they
run NFL schemes. Ikenberg's a phenomenal pick. Okay, but it's
(16:39):
not happening apparently. So hey, listen, a man can root.
Watch him tonight with Eisen Clatt, Daniel Jeremiah, Charles Davis
is a total problem. I love him. Good for you.
Where'd it go? Clatt? Nice work today, excellent information. I
loved it today, buddy, appreciate you guys. Have a good day,
all right, So watch that tonight. That'll be great. I
(17:00):
go back and forth on these networks. I'm all over
the place on that stuff. I would like first, if
you're loyal, Yeah yeah, I'm not really, So I'm loyal
to Clat. So he has a lot I give him
a lot of crap, but he's got a ton of information.
So this morning. I have my theory is Aikenberg goes
to the Jags because they're not good at tackle right
(17:24):
They've been disappointed for years with is it Robinson that
the left tackle? They're Greg Robinson, So that's me left tackle,
Asante Samuel or a running back from Carolina to the Jets.
And then the third pick is Atlanta today and I
would go Asante Samuel if the Jets don't take him.
Is there an uninteresting team in the NFL next next season? Detroit?
(17:50):
I don't know. I kind of want to see what
Jared Goff does. It's a tire fire. I mean, you
pull over the side of the road to watch it.
But it's not I mean, but like not, there's gonna
be bad teams, we know that. But I'm saying uninteresting,
like you're not interested at all to see how Jericoff does.
I am. I want to see how he does. Yeah,
that's true. That's a good point. Completely uninteresting. I don't
know's it's a good point. Everybody has made some significant moves.
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As good as the NFC West is Arizona could finish
fourth and be fascinating They were last year Cincinnati Now
were Jamar Chase and t Higgins and Joe Burrow could
finish fourth and be a great watch. I mean, the
league's in really good shape. Jacksonville now is must watch
for Trevor asolutely. Absolutely have to watch and figure out
what they do. All right, I'm just rambling here, all right.
Greg Jettings thoughts on Aaron Rodgers, Thomas Dematroft, the former
(18:37):
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(18:59):
at seven pm Eastern to follow along live. One of
today's contest questions is how many quarterbacks will be drafted
in Round two? The options are zero, one, two, three,
four or more? What do you think? Two? Two? Kyle Trask,
(19:19):
Mond and Kyle Trask Probably yeah, listen. I still I
am holding out hope for Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame Tackle
to go with Urban Meyer's first second round pick, but
they have two really good second round picks and two thirds,
so it is a very good tackle draft, so you
can get guys later. By by the way, let me
(19:42):
let me just throw this out on the New York Jets.
Is it's not. I mean, listen, obviously, scouting and stuff
is inexact. It's hard to do. I'm not saying it
would be easy for any of us. But you can
learn to be a good general manager. And there are
some steps. I mean, Bill Polian gave us a great
one yesterday. Years ago. Barry Sanders and Tony Mandridge were available,
(20:03):
and Bill Polian's a young general manager, and he asked
a mentor, who would you take? And he goes, you're
out of your mind. He goes, Tony Mandridge has to
block one guy. Barry Sanders is going to make eleven
guys miss. You take Barry Sanders. There are certain rules
to this. One of the easy rules is you got
to get a franchise quarterback. Then you got to protect
him and get weapons. Worry about the defense. Second, you're
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not winning Super Bowls with a rookie quarterback or a
second year quarterback in most instances, even Mahomes, you know,
usually it's late second third year, they pop. So by
the way, Chris Ballard's a great GM. Second year with
the Colts, he goes all in on the offensive line.
By the way, Tom Talesco gets Justin Herbert start quarterback.
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What do you do this offseason? Rebuilt the offensive line?
What did Brett Veach, one of the great gms in
the NFL do this offseason? Completely rebuilt the offensive line,
spent a fortune. It ain't tough. Fine yours quarterback, protect
him and get him weapons. And so Joe Douglas, the
Jets GM don't know him well, but he's pretty smart.
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Sam Donald failed for a lot of reasons in New York,
but primarily he failed because even as an athletic quarterback,
he was sacked thirty three times a year on average.
And that's missing ten games in three years due to injuries.
Donald never had a shot. He didn't have great weapons,
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he didn't have dependably healthy tight ends, he had no
running game. But Donald's athletic, and he got sacked. I
think it was thirty five times last year. Thirty three
times a year on average. Zach Wilson, Joe Douglas took
the Jets GM job last year, gets a left tackle,
and yesterday moves up to get the best guard prospect
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in the draft. So the left side of that offensive line,
they're good enough. At center boom so, Zach Wilson may fail.
Robert Salom might not be the right coach. The divisions
too tough, he may fail. Corey Davis doesn't live up
to his contract. At wide receiver, he may fail. He's
not gonna fail because he's not protected. So this, I mean,
I'm not saying it's easy to be a GM, but
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it's not brain surgery. Find a great quarterback, protect him,
get him weapons. That's pretty easy stuff. Then hire a
good defensive coordinator. Keep you in ball games so you
can you know, you don't have to score forty eight
a Sunday to win. But I think if you're a
Jets fan, you have to feel like, at least we've
got a grown up running the organization. I mean, that's
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that's what you'll want. He gets it, Zach Wilson, and
now protect him. It's why I think Urban's going to
take a left tackle very early in today's second round.
Joy Taylor with the news, No, no, this is the
herd line news. I hope the Bengals take an offensive line. Well,
then again, but they have a left tackle and a center.
(22:52):
They like they need an offensive linement, but they do
have a good left tackle in a good center. They
they didn't make some moves, but Joe Burrows coming off
of knee surgery after running for life totally and that
division's got good pass rugs. Miles Garrett got to be
strong in the trenches exactly. Another team I hope takes
an offensive linemen as the Dolphins, but they had two
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picks in the first round yesterday. Their first choice at
number six was Alabama wide receiver Jaalen Waddle, who will
reunite with his college teammate tah And they also selected
the first edge rusher of the draft, jam And Phillips
out of Miami with the eighteenth fit. You were talking
about him yesterday day, Listen. I just think I gotta
be honest with you. What they're really doing in Miami
is they're getting dynamic players. Two is not terribly dynamic,
(23:36):
but these are two dynamic players on the perimeter, one
a receiver, one an edge rusher. I thought Jayalen Phillips,
and we said this yesterday on television. We said Jaylen Phillips.
I'm being told is moving up. Everybody had him late
first and I was told, no way, He's going to
go right in the middle of the first round. Well,
you know, there weren't that many edge rushers in the
(23:58):
top of this draft. So and that is a position
to your point. You get the quarterback, you get the trenches,
someone to protect him, and then you get someone who
can get at their quarterback. Yeah, that's the process. Josh
Allen twice a year. You've got to make him uncomfortable exactly.
So he had forty five total tackles, eight sacks, and
one interception last year. And Jalen Waddle had an injury
last season, but in the first four games he had
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twenty five catches, five hundred and fifty seven yards and
four touchdowns. Came back to the championship game and had
three catches with thirty four yards. And the Dolphins still
have six picks, remaining two in the second round. So
the Jaguars got a familiar face for Trevor Lawrence with
their second selection on Night one of the draft, twenty
fifth pick running back Travis CTN from Clemson. I love
(24:39):
this pick for them. So the first time NFL history
of team has selected a quarterback and a running back
from the same school in the first rounds of the
common draft era. But Travis etm was a dynamic player
in college. One hundred and sixty eight carries, nine hundred
and fourteen rushing yards, fourteen rushing touchdown. Character great receiving
back as well, that's the key. So he was not
(24:59):
a great receiving back the year before in college. He
came back and became a better receiving back. And by
the way, folks, first of all, Urban has a history.
What is the thing you can give a young quarterback,
a rookie quarterback to help him, protection and a running game.
So I don't these people that are saying, well, the
Jags have a good running back. The bell cow thing
(25:20):
doesn't work. You gotta have two of this is this
is not college. You need two fifteen carry a game. Guys.
It's so crucial for a young quarterback, and he already
has a relationship with him. I think this makes perfect sense.
He had forty eight catches, five hundred and eighty eight
receiving yards, and two receiving touchdowns last year. He broke
the all time ACC rushing record last season and set
(25:43):
an NCAA record for most games with a touchdown, like
he is a productive player. Okay, so most people had
eighteen players in the first round as real first round players,
and then and then from like pick nineteen twenty two
late second feel like second round players. Both gms I
(26:03):
talked to had Travis atn eighteenth or nineteenth best player
in the draft, so they got a match to it.
Wasn't anybody who thinks it's a reach does know what
they're talking about. These are good gms. This is a
really good football player, a really good kid. And by
the way, Trevor Lawrence now has an excellent wide receiver
because they went and got one either last year the
(26:24):
year before from Colorado, very clever wide receiver. Now they
got to fix their tackles. But he's got two legitimate
running back talent and they already know each other as well.
The Jags have two picks in the second round, the
first one and the thirteenth I believe, and then eight
left in total. They gotta get a tackle. They gotta
get a tackle. So DeVante Smith was the third receiver
(26:45):
taken off the board. The Eagles drafted him tenth overall.
Philly made a deal with Dallas to move up two
spots to get the Heisman winner. He said he was
shocked that the Eagles traded up for him, but he
called it a blessing and as excited to get started.
He obviously won the Heisman last year. There's a lot
of questions about his size and you know, if he's
going to be durable in the NFL, which is why
he ended up being the third receiver taken. But I'm
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actually not surprised that he was drafted this high. He
is the Heisman winner. I understand his size, but he's
incredibly productive. One hundred and seventeen receptions over eighteen hundred yards,
twenty three touchdowns. The Eagles have nine picks remaining. They're
going to add him to a receiving corps of Jalen Rager,
J G Rsego white Side, greg Ward, Miles Sanders, Boston,
Scott zach Ertz, Dallas Goddard. So this is just another
(27:31):
weapon for Jalen Hurts. I also like that because obviously
there were still quarterbacks on the board that they they're
sticking with Jalen Hurts. Give him an opportunity and give
him a weapon. Well, we know by what the Giants
drafted the receiver that the Giants take him, they were
going to take Davonte Smith, so and that had been
in the New York papers. So, like he said, they said, listen,
we don't want to face him in division. We want
(27:52):
to have him on our team in the division. So
I get it. Yeah, So they traded the tenth overall
pick and the Cowboys got the twelfth overall pick, which
ended up being Michael Parsons, which worked out perfectly for
the Cowboys, and the third round pick eighty fourth overall.
But I really like this move for Philadelphia, and I
liked it. They're committing to Jalen Hurt's given me ye
give him a weapons. And I do think that DeVante
Smith is going to be more successful than people think
(28:13):
if they use him the right way. He's a very
dynamic player. Oh no, yeah, he'll work. I just will
he last? I think he'll work. He's too dynamic not
to work. I mean, I think it's all relative. Right,
likes every player you're drafting, you're expecting to have a
fifteen sixteen year career. No, if he gives you six
or seven years of high level productions, that's worth that pick.
(28:36):
There you go, Joy with the news. Well that's the
news and thanks for stopping back the Herdline news all right,
Greg Jennings reacting to what was clearly a planted story
by Aaron Rodgers or his camp to humiliate the Packers yesterday.
While that that story broke five minutes after we left
(28:58):
the year it was, I got a call, can you
post something on this? Can you have a reaction because
nobody wants to wait twenty one hours for it? And
I was just like, somebody called me and said I
want a reaction and I said a reaction on what?
And they said, yeah, Aaron Rodgers says he refuses to
play for Green Band. I'm like, oh what. He let
(29:18):
it out yesterday. Couldn't have said that two weeks ago.
And there were stories, by the way that Green Bay
told Aaron on the offseason we're gonna move off you
because he was frustrated. Then they backed off that, so
who knows what's true. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Hey,
(29:39):
I'm John Middlecoff and I host the Three and Out podcast.
Do you like football? Do you like the NFL? Do
you like the NFL draft quarterbacks? Coaches? Well, I talk
about it all on the show. I used to work
for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I give you
my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that goes on
the NFL. And you know we're talking college football because
of how import in the draft is year round. Listen
(30:02):
to the Three and Out podcast with me John Middlecom
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get
your podcast, Greg Jennings. Now if Umer Packer joins me live,
So this is my theory, you can shoot it down
that Aaron Rodgers, who can be a little petty, a
little pass up aggressive. So he felt a year ago
you tried to humiliate me, and Aaron said, I'm not
(30:24):
going to forget that, and on draft day a year later,
I'm gonna humiliate you. That's my gut feeling the timing
was not a coincidence. Your thoughts on my opinion there, Well,
I definitely don't think the timing was a coincidence. Look,
whether or not he was trying to humiliate the Green
Bay Packers, that's unknown. But what I do know is
(30:47):
he's in a relationship and it's a relationship that has
been fractured. And anytime you are in the relationship, you
know the needs in what's necessary to repair that relationship.
I believe Aaron Rodgers was trying to really fill out
the Packers and understand and make his feelings felt and
see what they were gonna do. Are you gonna give
(31:09):
me the wants that I want versus the need that
I understand that the organization desires and may need. What
are you going to address my wants? So the packers
the boy they can confound us. You know, historically they're
pretty good drafters, but they kind of reached for a
(31:30):
corner at the end of the first round. Forget it.
Even if he doesn't work, it's not I mean there
was I think there was better quality wide receivers available.
Did you did you take anything from them drafting a
corner a little bit of a reach at the end
of the first round. I did, I did Colin I
And again I understand about the need. Do they need
(31:52):
the corners? Yes, But there's a one that everyone on
the planet who understands anything about the Green Bay Packers
and Aaron Rodgers and the weapons that's needed. They know
he needs another pass catcher. And so with Elijah Moore
being available, with so many guys being available, you would
think that in a relationship. Again, I'm married, You're married, Colin,
(32:15):
if we understand the needs. But if my wife is
expressed what she desires, what she wants, I better walk
into wherever she is and hander some flowers and try
to make sure that she at some point gets what
she wants versus what I know or we believe it's needed.
And that's what the grave a packers didn't do. They
didn't get what Aaron wants. So it tells me that
(32:38):
they're just throwing salt on a wound, throwing dirt on
the grave. Look, we're moving on eventually, face it. This
is what we do. You know it. The writing has
been on the wall with Bart Star, with Brett Farve,
now with you, this is how we operate. Listen, Aaron,
I just I said this earlier. If you humiliate each
other in public, it's over. It's just a matter of time.
(33:01):
And there's a story that they actually told Aaron in
the offseason, hey we're gonna move you. They backed off.
I hear raiders, I hear Denver. I mean, if I
had to say to you, I mean Denver does have
in a division with Mahomes by the way, Raiders and
Raiders in Denver and a division with Mahomes, So be
careful what you asked for. But could you see a
(33:22):
place where he fits, where you think he fits, Well,
there's a couple of teams in the NFC. However, I
just don't think if the Packers are to move Aaron
Rodgers that he would go and they would move him
anywhere in the NFC. So I just immediately eliminate like
teams like the Saints obviously with their quarterback situation. So
(33:42):
when you look at the Raiders in Denver, I like
the Denver Bronco situation. They got a lot of young weapons,
they got some defense that you know is there, they
got some pieces, and they struggled with quarterback. And I
believe the relationship that Aaron Rodgers has with John Elway
that could be something special. Alway, we know he's struck
(34:03):
out unless he went out and grabbed Peyton Manning and
then that worked out. So maybe he could do it
again and try to acquire a talent like Aaron Rodgers
and then bring another Super Bowl to Mile High. You know, Greg,
a lot of wide receivers taken. I didn't love Cadarius
Tony to Giants. I thought it was a little bit
(34:24):
of a reach. I don't think they need receivers. I
actually think between Darius Slayton, Stirling Shepherd, Kenny Golladay, Evan Ingram,
Kyle Rudolph, se Quon Barkley, they got a bunch of
pass catchers. But whatever, um if I if you could
say to all these receivers in the first round, I
know you're great, but here's the one thing you're going
to have to adjust to be an NFL wide receiver.
(34:45):
What would your what would your you know, advice be
to all these first round wide receiver talents. It would
just simply be to adjust to the speed of the game.
It's going to be different. The pace of the game,
the safety rotations, all of those things that the skizing
of defenses. It's gonna be a little quicker, and the
(35:06):
talent obviously is gonna be better. But bring your A games.
We all know these guys at a games. I love
where some of these guys have ended up. Specifically, in
my opinion, I really love where Rashad Bateman ended up.
I had a chance to sit down with him. He's
a really good guy who understands the game and wants
to improve and has something to prove. And I think
(35:28):
he's gonna not only make Lamar Jackson better. I think
Lamar Jackson's gonna make him better. I like where he
ended up yesterday. So you know, you know the Bears
pretty well. Okay, so you were in that division. They
trade up to get Justin Fields and listen, it's it's
a big, loud town. It's like New York and Philadelphia.
They love their sports. You've played there, you know it
(35:50):
can be windy and cold, but Justin Fields played, you know,
he played in Ohio State. Just kind of yourth sense
on them moving up getting a young guy behind Andy Dalton.
What you how do you think the Bears did? I
like what they did. They they did what was necessary
not only for Ryan Pace and Matt Naggy as as
the heads, but for that organization, for the guys in
(36:13):
that locker room, letting them know, look, we are going
to get this right at the quarterback position. Even if
we get it wrong, We're going to continue to throw
logs on the fire and try to strike, and that's
what they did. Justin fields. He's comfortable in these climates.
He understands the hostile rivalries like the Green Bay Packers.
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He was at Ohio State against the Order Names and
the Michigans and the Michigan States and all of that.
He's comfortable in these situations. And I think he'll thrive
with the Chicago Bears. I you know, I love watching
the draft as a former player. It probably takes you
back to Draft night for you. And I mean, I
just the whole thing. Did you notice the Packers all
(36:56):
the all the war rooms last night, all the draft rooms,
everybody was high five and the jumping up and down
and going crazy. And they took a picture of the
Packers and it was a little low energy, and I
did think to myself, Greg, I honestly thought, this, they're
worn out for Aaron, Hey, We're just there was no
high fives, there was no congrat I kind of feel
like Green Base kind of exhausted. I felt like yesterday
(37:18):
they were like, oh God, let's just get through the weekend.
Them I reach in there to just send it a little.
I don't know if that's the case. I think they're
so intently focused on doing what they feel is best
for the organization, even though you, myself and so many
other minds and talking heads believe that what is best
(37:40):
for the organization it is ensuring that Aaron Rodgers is happy.
That ensures your opportunity to continue to get to NFC
Championship game after NFC Championship game and have a chance
to put your team in contention to win another Lombardi Trophy.
But hey, what do I know. I'm not a general manager,
(38:01):
I'm not a head coach. I'm just a player who
played with the guy that they need to make happy.
Craig Jennings, Fox Sports NFL analyst, have a great weekend, buddy.
Appreciate you stopping by. Absolutely appreciate you. Guys. Yeah, by
the way, what also makes it weird is they went
and drafted a corner who appears to be a reach.
(38:22):
By the way, this is another thing. Tampa Bay's Jason
Lte has been a great draft weekend GM. They went
and got Joe Tryon. You can make an argument the
Packers missed on j J. Watt. They need an edge rusher,
now they need a corner. I'm not disputing that, but
it was kind of a reach. Listen, sometimes you have
(38:42):
to do stuff to appease people. Not everybody is joy
in low maintenance. A lot of people are needy, and
sometimes you gotta appease and play kate a little needier people.
The world has changed, so you have to stars, and
you're not gonna win without stars. Not everybody gonna win
(39:03):
without a franchise. Not everybody's Steph Curry, Kevin Durant needs
a little hug, Aaron needs a little hug. Could you
just take a wide receiver in the first round? Could you?
They're not the end of the world. Take a quarterback
last year in the first round. Just appease him. It's
not like you don't go crazy out here. I don't.
(39:25):
I truly don't understand. But I don't understand the pushback
on Aaron either. Like everywhere you've worked, you've enjoyed your environments,
and you've loved your bosses, and you've never questioned any
decisions that they've made, and you've never felt like you
were more valuable than that place. Like everyone can relate
in some way to what Aaron Rodgers was going through.
We just have this expectation that he's just supposed to
sit back and take it. He's a public figure. It's
(39:45):
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