January 10, 2024 • 43 mins
More thoughts on the Bears and what the should do next
Colin gives his NFL playoff predictions based on the QB
Guest: Steve Keim
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Liveven Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. So Jmac, I've been saying this week,
there's no such thing as working with Bill Belichick. If
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you're working for Bill Belichick, is that with all the
rings and all the intimidation, he's fairly rigid. He likes
what he likes. That this idea that you could bring
a GM in and he would work with Bill and
make big, powerful decisions that Bill may disagree with, because
if you work with somebody, you don't know what was agreed.
I think you're working for Bill, even if it's not
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New England.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's interesting. So am I working with you or for you?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We both work for Fox and we try to work together. Okay, So,
but I think Tom Curran NBC four in Boston was
talking about Belichick, and there's a lot of talk about
he'll relinquish his GM duties with the Patriots, and current
very plugged in says, give me a break.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
We got a whole lot of folks saying, hey, Bill's
willing to relinquish GM duties, to which I say.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Come on, the guys.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
A master linguist, he said he'd be in favor of, quote, collectively,
what we decide as an organization.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Is best to help our football team. He's part of
that collective.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
But do you think he's going to agree to punt
on final Say you think, for instance, he's going to
be fine with wanting Jaden Daniels at number three and
somebody else saying yeah, no, Bill, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We're actually down for if someone.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Telling Bill that a fat chunk of cap space is
going to be spent on something Bill disagrees with.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Again, come on, so and that's one of the Bill realities.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Colin, kiss the ring, Colin, look at the resume, you guys,
resumes are yesterday. I want tomorrow. I think he could
go to Washington, draft Drake May and build structure. Washington
is starving for structure, and Bill provides that no question,
and if he gets the right quarterback they get Drake,
Bill could win. I'm not denying that, But if you
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asked me to have a coaching tier based on straints, weaknesses, liabilities,
Tier one would be Jim Harbaugh. He has no holes.
He wins everywhere immediately. He's an offensive coach, it's an
offensive league, and more than any available coach. He's an
expert in college personnel because for the last eight nine
years he's recruited all of it. Mike Frabel and Tomlin
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would be my tier twos. I don't think either would
have to be the GM and wouldn't fight with you.
They just want opinions. They're tough guys and culture builders,
very good with structure. And number three Ben Johnson, dan Quinn,
Belichick all have major holes. Ben Johnson's never been a
head coach, dan Quinn's success is tied to one coordinator,
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Kyle Shanahan, and Bill is tone deaf Offensively, It's not
worth arguing the last four years without Brady, the Patriots
are bad and have gotten significantly worse every year the
further away Brady gets in the rear view mirror, the
uglier the windshield is. They're bad. So listen, I think
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all of these those are six coaches, they could all
be successful. But I do worry about the holes with
Ben Johnson, Dan Quinn Belichick. I don't think Harball has
a hole. He's going to be the expert. Like Pete
Carroll right out of USC or Jimmy Johnson right out
of Miami, they had like a three to a four
year window. They just knew personnel better than all their
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NFL peers. They'd recruited all of it, seen high school tape.
They knew the odometer reading with that. Steve Kaim, my friend,
former NFL GM, ten years in Arizona, three playoff appearances,
draft Tyler Murray. So it's interesting a head coach is hired,
usually there's an owner and then there's the general manager.
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But if Bill gets hired Steve, a GM would know
it's not the best day for him, right, Like his
power is going to be usurped. Do you think, like Washington,
for instance, it's got a rich new owner. Would a
GM even have a say with Bill or is this
an owner move? In your experience?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
You know, I think Colin, if Bill respected the GM.
It could certainly work cohesively. I know he worked well
with Nick Cassario or who was in Houston right now.
But I think there's a number of conversations that need
to happen. I mean, number one, I think Robert Kraft
has to find out whether Bill Belichick wants to be back,
whether he has the passion or not to lead the organization.
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And number two, you know what's the plan moving forward?
Robert Kraft is the owner. He has owed the right
to know what is the plan moving forward? How are
we going to fix these things? And number three, how
are we going to hold you accountable? Was the general manager?
You have made some poor decisions. The roster is not
up to speed right now, and how are we going
to fix this? And I think always to some degree,
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especially guys like Bill, I think they do respect good
football men if there are variances of opinions, because to me, again,
it sort of opens up eyes and is very very
healthy for an organization to have those variances of opinions.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Mike Vrabel fired. I was a bit shocked. Reads like
a power struggle. Don't think he'll be unemployed long. What
did you make of the dismissal of Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah, I was shocked, Colin. I think Mike Rabel is
one of the better head coaches in the National Football League. Again,
I know he's a defensive coordinator in terms of background,
but his leadership of men, his ability to set a
culture a second to nine, and I think certainly he's
going to be unemployed very very shortly.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Here.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
We know it's an offensive league, Steve. The rule changes
indicate that it's like eleven or twelve of your playoff
teams have offensive coaches. Would you be concerned a little
about a Tomlin of Rabel at Belichick because they're on
the side of the ball that increasingly has limitations.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Well, I certainly think that's a question, Colin, But I
think the better question is is who are you going
to have as your offensive coordinator? Who is going to
lead that quarterback room, who is going to develop the
player at the most important position in the National Football League?
And I think that if you can address that position,
and again, I know Bill has a guy like Bill
O'Brien who has a tremendous amount of respect in the
National Football League and who's had some success. So there
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are some good quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators out there
who can certainly get the job done.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So Chicago has retained Matt Eberflus, They've moved off offensive people.
It doesn't mean that they Matt loves Justin Field. And
I said this earlier, Caleb Williams. With only one elite
player in two years, Jordan Addison led the nation in offense.
They didn't really have a good offensive line this year.
They didn't have a powerful run game. So even if
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your scouts, if I ran the Bears and my scout
said he's even with Justin Fields, I would say, Okay,
I'm gonna draft him because I can restart the salary clock,
and I don't think he's even with Justin Fields. If
you ran the Bears, isn't as obvious as I'm making
it that you need to move Justin, get some draft
capital and draft Caleb. It feels obvious.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
To me, Yeah, Colin, I would certainly attempt to to
move Justin. I think he's a fine player, but to
be able to trade him to somewhere like Atlanta or Washington,
there's enough quarterback needy teams that would certainly be in
play for a guy like Justin Fields. The other fact
of the matter is you have to determine whether you're
going to pay a quarterback like Justin Field, who again
I think is a fine player, but he's not a
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special player. He's not a guy who played forty five
to fifty million dollars to and then, quite frankly, from
a cap standpoint, to be able to reset. Like you
said in the draft Williams, again, I think it's sort
of that mindset. Do you not draft Michael Jordan because
Clyde Drexel is playing that position for your team? You
take the special talent, the guy who can reset your organization,
who can put you late years ahead. And that's to
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me the decision they have to.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Make Russell Wilson situation. So, as Sean Payton says, we
haven't made a decision yet, my gut is they've made
a decision. It's just not public. I said earlier is
that the reason I'd move off him is a fairly
simple one. That is production this year twenty nine total touchdowns,
thirteen giveaways is okay, but that's not going to rise dramatically.
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His contract is so it's like a bad mortgage. I'm
going to be paying a lot more and the house
is decreasing in value or staying the same. So again
that looks like an easy one. That is production. It
wasn't terrible. It's a cost issue more than a production issue.
That's what it feels like to me. What would you
do if you're in Denver.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Yeah, listen when you look at the decision for the
Denver Broncos that they made to trade for Russell Wilson
and to give him that big contract. I mean, supplying
demand is a real issue here. There's not enough quarterbacks
to go around the lead. But now you're looking at
an aging quarterback whose skills are somewhat deficient and declining
in his play, to me, does not warrant a fifty
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million dollar contract anymore. And to me, this is the
point in time where you have to cut the cord.
You have to minimize your losses moving forward, and you
now have to reset. To me, you look at Sean
Payton and Russell Wilson, it looks like oil and water.
In my opinion, it doesn't seem like his type of guy.
And to me, as an organization, you got to cut
your losses and move forward.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Jim Harbaugh seems like the obvious best coach. Jim is
a disruptor. Jim's going to do it his way, but
his teams are good, fast, and they're physical. If you
were a GM, it may not be in you our
best interests to hire him, but don't you owe the
owner the best coach. What do you do with Harbaugh
if you're a GM.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
As a general manager, Colin, you owe the organization to
do the right thing and as much maintenance may come
with a guy like Jim Harble at times that he
may be hardheaded or maybe hard to work with, the
results speak for themselves. I mean, I think he was
forty four nineteen with the forty nine ers. Not only
does he have a great track record in the NFL,
he's done it at every level, whether it's in San Diego,
Stanford obviously now at the University of Michigan. He has
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won everywhere he's been. And to me, as a general manager,
if you're gonna have to have some battles and you're
gonna have to again, I think some of those conversations
that are tough to have, Colin are spirited, good conversations
that are healthy for an organization. Instead of looked at
as such a problem or that their confrontations.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, all right, Steve Khin great seeing you as always.
I appreciate you stop and buying. We'll talk off air
as well soon, Thank you, Steve Great Sea Colin. Yeah yeah,
I mean the Justin Fields thing. He's not a forty
million dollar player. Come on, what are we doing here?
If he was just even with Caleb, you can make
the move for the salary cap. What about Eberflus there's
no coach salary cap. I'd move them both. I'm not
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retaining both. I mean, you can't bring both back. It
doesn't work. It's ten and twenty eight. It doesn't work,
and you can't be incrementally better. Joe Burrow didn't make
the Bengals incrementally better. Josh Allen didn't make the Bills
incrementally better. That's not the game. It's not well slow,
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I mean, Josh. Jordan Love from October to December made
a massive uptick in production, more so than Justin Fields
has made in three years. So Jordan Love in two
months went from uh to wow. Jordan Love eight weeks
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made major strides. I mean CJ. Stroud College du Pro
week one to week twelve three months is he is
he a top seven quarterback in the league. He is good.
He is I have a buddy who watched tape. He's like,
he's better than people think. He's that good. That's not
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a great O line. So if you've got guys like CJ.
Stroud and Jordan Love in two and three months making
Grand Canyon size leaps, you can't give me incrementally better
three years later. No, I'm not paying that.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Can I ask you what is the argument to keep Eberflus,
Because couldn't you say, like, listen, we got the number
one pick, an improving defense, We're gonna get a really
good head.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Coach, like this is an attractive job. Oh, I think
would Rabel take it?
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I don't know, But like why Again, I'm not saying
fire ibrafoods. I'm just asking why why do you think
keep him but get rid of all the staff.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I wouldn't, but they probably didn't want to blow everybody
out of the building. They probably argue the defense we like.
We like how he drafts and develops defense. We like
what he's done with the defense. We've given our offense
all sorts of new personnel. It's still bad. We've given
our defense, a few more defensive players. We even moved
off Rocon Smith. We moved off some good defensive players,
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acquired one two. So I would argue their argument is, listen,
neither's been good enough. But if we have to keep one,
you don't have a salary cap for coaches. So I
would have moved off both. I would go Ben Johnson,
Caleb Williams, start the clock and go.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
So if you're an offensive coordinator, let's just I'm just
gonna throw out it at Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
See that. That's why I wouldn't have done this, because
who's gonna take that job?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's what I don't get.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, you know, I don't get the Bears either. Ever,
I wouldn't have done that because now you're not going
to get a good staff. You've got a lame duck coach.
You're not gonna get a good staff.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Just something.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
It feels weird, and I'm not Fireybrafous for sure. I
didn't love what he had done. Now they finished, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I mean you're good. You're as good as your staff.
I mean, one of the reasons McVeigh and Shanahan or good.
They have really good staffs, always have really good stats.
One of the reasons the Steelers in the last two
three years have driven their fans crazy their offensive coordinator.
When did the Buffalo Bills get better this year? They
moved off Ken Dorsey. They've been excellent since? What are
they six and one since? So you're as good you
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can be a great head coach if you have a weakness, understand,
I mean, the Jets are absolutely limited in my opinion
with their current OC. It's a totally average stat.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
And just remember, if you're letting him pick the offensive coordinator,
assuming you will, then the offensive coordinator is gonna what
if eba Fluss just says, hey, we don't want any
high profile throwing. We want to play with win with
defense in ground game. You know what these defensive coaches think.
I just something doesn't strike me right here, Colin. I
don't want to say dust the guy, but well, why
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don't you start press the reset buttons?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Start completely over.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I That's what I would do. I think again, let's
go back to it. You're as good as your staff.
There's a reason John Harbaugh keeps winning. Part of it
is Lamar Jackson. Another part of it is he builds
really good staffs. His staffs get poached, and Sean mcvay's
staffs get poached, and Kyle Shanahan's staff gets poached, and
Andy Reid's staff. The best coaches are usually really Jim
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harbaught Michigan. That staff is out.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Stand Sirianni lost his OC and DC and that team
has taken a significant step back.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So you're you know, the quarterback's the most important thing
and the head coach is second. But if you don't
think coordinators matter, Justin Herbert was never better than his
first year was. Shane Steikin was never better. Jalen Hurts
never better than Shane Steikin. So these coordinator we don't
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talk about them. They're really valuable and the Bears are
not going to get I would imagine who's going to
take that gig.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
I mean, it's do you almost have to narrow your
candidates to who will fit with Caleb Williams, assuming he's
your pick.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I think I think a lot of people would fit
with Caleb Williams. I think a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
It's different than Lamar Jackson with needing the pistol, and
they definitely win.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Now Lamar Jackson now now he's a different quarter anybody
can work with Lamar. There was a time for two
years that he had a certain style. But I think
what they try to do is bring a new oc
in because their takeaway was he didn't have to run
as much. He's just a great quarterback, which he is.
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Speaker 1 (17:26):
By the way, the staff just sent this to me.
Jordan Love in seventeen starts. That's it has thirty two
touchdown passes. Justin Fields has only eight more and over
double the starts, and he's well, he's got DJ Moore,
he's got Cole Comet, he had Chase Claypool, he like
had dudes. He had Mooney. Like it's not like Chicago
didn go out and buy him some players like they had.
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They drafted guys. They've got him another tight end, a
couple of receivers. So it's like more than twice the
start's only eight more touchdown passes. You can blame whoever
you want. You can blame whoever you want. The reality
is it's a cost production business like Russell Wilson production's here.
Cost is here. I got to move on justin Fields.
The productions way down here, and the cost potentially in
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a year is here. That's all it is. It's just
like your budget. The salary CAP's a budget. Where can
I spend my money? If I'm on the road sixty
hours a week, I'm a salesperson. I'll pay more for
the car. If I'm in a cubicle, I won't. So
it's a passing league. I got a big boy production
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Speaker 2 (18:30):
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Speaker 4 (18:36):
All right.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
So Jason Kelsey, the Eagles center went on WIP morning
show in Philly.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I think you said you were going to have a
show there one.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Time, saying that this team does not need to make
any crazy offensive changes.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Last week, you know, we just didn't hit them with blitz.
Outside of that, we moved the one pretty good. We
had some good running games. I don't think we need
to do a whole complete shift or revamp of the offense.
I think we need to do some things better and
put ourselves in better situations coaches and players. The reality is,
you know, the plays that we have in and have
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been doing all year. I think the current ones that
we can have success with and have had success with.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't think he's wrong. I just think I have
questions about the guy running the show.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Okay, we love to play the blame game in the media.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Give me your top three reasons the Eagles right now
are just failing losing.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I think five of six. Give me the top three
in order.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Number one lost two great coordinators. Okay, that's number one.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Well, they were ten and one I think at some
point without those coordinators.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
But well, noway, the longer those coordinators are gone, the
worse it's gone. Okay, so you can take basic momentum.
You know, even bad coaches you go to college when
the assistant takes over for the legend, they win for
a year. All right, So they lost to elite coordinators.
Number two, I think they have a very average head coach.
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Oh and number three, they had to move off some
defensive pieces for a defense that could be at times
a bit inconsistent, and they're just not as good. But
it's a primarily a coaching issue.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Just to be clear, this is not about Jalen Hurts, right,
I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, no, no, I lie like Jalen Hurts. You are hey,
you go back and you look. I mean Matt Stafford
in the last three years, why is he better than
all the Detroit years. He's got a better coach. Even
great players Mahomes would not be Mahomes with a defensive
average coach. Even the best players need help Belichick. Brady
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would tell you today. Without Belichick and that defense, I'm
not winning all those rings.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yeah, it's weird because didn't the Eagles have the best
defense in the league last year credit NFL SA.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Had a great pass rush. Now they had to move
off linebacker. They had to move off of corner, a safety,
a linebacker. Those are good players.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I'm looking at there, and again it's just one data point,
but they're PFF grade. They missed Mattocks a lot this season.
The slot corner Bradbury has been awful. He can't guard anybody,
and Slay has regressed. Okay, and they had a linebacker
they moved off of. He's had a very good year elsewhere.
But also if the dup they move off.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Gardner Johnson uh C JGJ. They moved off him. He's
a good player too.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
It's one of those deals where if the defensive front
isn't getting all that pressure and forcing these bad passes,
maybe the cornerbacks just aren't great.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Maybe bradla just aren't good.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
They're paying a lot of people, so Jalen Hurts, Kelsey
and that's why I bring up Perts, Fletcher cop pay.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Hurts just got paid a lot, and now Eagles.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Are, oh, we gotta start cutting this offseason. There could
I don't want to say a blood letting, but like, now,
what happens if Lane Johnson and Kelsey say we're done.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That that's a Lane Johnson's not going to say that.
I think it's possible with Kelsey, and then you have
to go draft a center. That's what the draft.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Kelsey is like part of the heartbeat of that team.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Bronner Lee shoves, no question.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't want to say.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Tough times ahead, but it could be a bit of.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
A rocky offseason. Philadelphia has always made moves, even after
Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
They made Savvy Ye next up.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
We've talked a lot about Justin Field's future with the Bears,
especially now that they've got the number one pick. Despite
the prospect of drafting Caleb Williams former NFL quarterback Chase Daniel.
I think you remember him. He's been on the show here.
He believes Fields is the answer to the Bears franchise
quarterback search. Chase Daniel says Fields is the answer.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Nice guys. Not who's a nice guy, just Chase, but
just the players don't consider cap, they don't consider injuries.
If you took the cap issue out, aren't you a
little concerned? He's miss eleven starts, Eli Manning far have
never missed any starts. I mean, like, even I love
Lamar Jackson, you had to consider if you were the
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Ravens the last two years he's been hurt. Joe Burrell
with one more injury, I'm drafting another quarterback. And I
loved Jobert whoa wha, whoa hold time out for first round.
I'm drafting him somewhere. Belichick was drafting Garoffolo in the
second and Tom was hoisting trophy. Didn't they just say had.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Burrow five thousand million dollars?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Come on, you got all.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Of the one literally all of it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, and he's been banged up three straight years.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So when I called him glass Joe, I was spot on.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, I'm just saying, regardless of what you pay somebody,
injuries change everything you There's an argument to be made,
and you and I have made it. You should draft
a quarterback three out of four years.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Well, there are some rounding. Jake Browning looked.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
I know people are gonna say, no, he was pretty good.
He was way better than anybody thought.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That, way better than I thought. I watched him in
college at Washington. I didn't think he had an arm limited.
I thought he was a totally limited downfield thrower. I
thought he looked great.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Final story, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
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Speaker 3 (24:06):
I don't want to get traded.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I'm not frustrated because Brad was injured. I wasn't frustrated
because of the role players on the team. It's like, yeah,
we lose a game. You think I'm supposed to be
happy after.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
We lose a game.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm not frustrated with the whole situation.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
I may be frustrated at the moment at a bad
play or a tough stretch, but nah, I enjoy the grind.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, I mean this, I would just Suns fans are
freaking out. It's a work in progress. This is an
eighty two game schedule. Last year you had me believing
the Sacramento Kings we're gonna it's a work in progress.
So I mean, you can't bring in Bradley Beal and
Durant and move on Grayson Allen and move off Chris
(24:46):
Paul and you're like, wow, we're not great yet. How
many games into the season.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Listen, we saw Patrick Mahomes cracked late in the season
with the Chiefs, Like we were like, oh, all these
dropped and he's not doing anything. Late in the season
he started. You started to see it unraveled, like I
would be surprised.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I dream.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
I got more ticked off the big game against the
Lakers Thursday, big one.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
They'll be fine, where's the game at here? Oh, I'd
go to that. Really, I'd go to that game. Ok,
once you get tickets, I'd go to that.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I know, I don't have it now, Well, I got
I got to lock in on work man. This is
is a you know, I'm focused.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, yeah, sure, Jane Acker the news.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
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Speaker 1 (25:27):
So I've always had this theory that you can spot
like if you go they used to have. When I
was a little kid, I watched Johnny Carson, right, so
all the comedians that ended up on Johnny Carson were
pretty good. But I can remember watching Drew Carrey the
first time, or Gary Shandling the first time, and and
(25:48):
and Carson brought on a lot of comedians, but I
remember watching specifically Gary Shandling, Albert Brooks. Yeah I'm that old.
The first time I saw Albert Brooks, I was like, oh,
that guy's like a genius. I don't even know if
I knew what the word meant when I was seven
eight years old, but I remember watching Carson and the
truly great comedians. After like a seven minute set, that's it,
(26:08):
six seven minutes, you were like, yeah, that's different. That
is wow. And without exception, I'm not some talent scout.
What do I know? I laugh, like you laugh. The
person that you thought was okay, the person that you
thought was great ended up having a great career on
Carson Seinfeld, the Lake, Gary Shandling, Albert Brooks identified largely
as a genius comedically still living and so I just
(26:31):
don't think it takes that long. Now in the NBA,
it's different because the kids come into the league at eighteen,
so your first couple of years they can't even drink
at the hotel bar. But in like let's say football,
if you get to Carson, your act is refined. Like
by the time you get to Carson, you're funnier, you're not,
you're great or your average. Same in the NFL, it
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doesn't take that long. You've been in college for three
four some of these guys five years. So basketball put
that aside. There are guys that growing the games you
don't see initially. But we were talking about during the break,
is that j Mac asked me, we were talking about
c J. Stroud, and I said, by like week two
(27:14):
with Joe Burrow in the NFL, I was like, wow,
he is accurate.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Stroud, And I don't think you got to give the
coach or the coordinator or even the receivers the credit.
His accuracy downfield is top five in the league. Now,
I'm not saying you didn't have a good coordinator and
Tank Dell, you know, like some of those guys he
had Nico Collins earlier. Tankdale's hurt Nico Collins. I'm not
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saying the receivers don't count Dalton Schultz tight end, but
his accuracy is crazy. By the second third game, You're like,
my god, he's like one of the most accurate throwers
in the league. And J Mack asked me, give me
the question you asked me during the break. I was
going crazy, like.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
To change it.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
But he's basically Cowherd is on the break, just glowing
about c J.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Stroud.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
He's the man is deep passing. And I say, who
would you rather have the next five years? C J
Stroud or Trevor.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Lawrence IJ c J Stroud absolutely, and I I mean,
let me sew this at you. CJ. Stroud's rookie year
with a defensive coach. This year is similar, if not
better than Trevor Lawrence's best season twenty three tds, five picks,
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one on one passer rating. Best year for Lawrence twenty
five touchdowns eight picks in a ninety five passer rating. Now,
they both play in the same division, so you can't
use that, and they both play in the same conference,
so they face the same defensive coordinators. So it would
lead me to believe that Stroud's better. If Stroud is
this good, this fast, he's the better quarterback. So then,
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by the way, I know, all you fanboys, I'm sure
you knew he was going to be this good. Houston
didn't know he was going to be this guy. No
nobody thought he was going to be this good. His camp,
we said it on the air. His comp was Jared Goff,
and my take was, well, Jared Goff's top twelve in
the league, that's possible. I like Bryce Young because the
way he moved, but he looks very small. The minute
you see Bryce Young in the NFL with no good receivers,
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You're like, he's overwhelmed. But I'm saying c J. Stroud
to me, it's classic Joe Burrow, It's classic comedian on Seinfeld.
You can watch six seven minutes. You can watch c J.
Stroud for a half and he will make a wow
throw every half, And I mean stuff like I'm not
sure anybody but like my homes Burrow, that many guys
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in the plats. How good I think his accuracy is
and he can do it off platform, on moving left,
moving right. That dude that he just lets go with
the ball. He made a throw about three weeks ago
and he was off platform up the left side, a
sideline throw, and I mean it had to be in
a spot as big as the football, off balance, moving
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and I just like, Okay, there's five people in the
world that can make that throw. So this or maybe.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
What's pretty cool out the NFL? Right like you can
you can make a statement.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
CJ.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Stroud is an amazing deep ball thrower, and I can
look up the stats and see if it backs it up.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
He's third in big pass plays as a rookie, So
third do you.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Want me to I'm sure the audience would love it
if I knocked you down a peg here.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
But according to Pro Football Focus, CJ.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Stroud second best completion percentage on passes of twenty yards
or more in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Number one will shock you. His name is Brock Perdy
with his deep ball accuracy.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But c J.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Stroud on passes of twenty more yards eight touchdowns, zero interceptions,
pretty phenomen I'm just saying, Trevor Lawrence is you know,
his accurate, but.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
His accuracy on plays down the field freakish. It is freakish,
and you could see it immediately. It's like the hell
it is. It's like Stafford, Like Matt Stafford is one
of those guys on thirty plus. You're like, that's way
too easy. It looks like Stafford. It is just a
naturally gifted thrower who effortlessly makes thirty seven yards throws
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into small windows.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
So now let me rearrange a question. Next five years,
Next five J Stroud or Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I thought, well, I would say CEJ. Stroud because of
his ability to be great with a defensive coach. It
does matter that you've sat for three years Matt Lafleur
and all those receivers. Jordan Loves got some special stuff
to He moves better than cg.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Not nearly as good as a deep ball thrower percentage.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Why what I'm saying is on just the deep ball stuff,
what you're watching with c. J. Stroud is not a coordinator,
it's not a coach. It's not a tight end or receiver.
It's c J. Stroud, and it is. It is unbelievable
how good he is. It is Matt Stafford to me
is one of the best forty yard throws. Stafford does it.
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He flicks. It's John Elway. It's just a flick. It
is effortless. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
So you know the smart teams when they get a
quarterback on the rookie deal, what's like the second move,
Go get me a superstar wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You know Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I like Hopkins. I don't need to pay.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Josh Allen got Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I know you like Nico Collins and and Tank Dell
was great before the injury. You could go big game
hunting and go out and get somebody.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Colin A. J. Brown doesn't seem thrilled in Philly Stefon Diggs.
We'll see what happens about it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't need the drama. I like my young inexpensive receivers.
You can go get the ego and the drama.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Even Patrick Mahomes, they got him, Sammy Watkins. I know
that Watkins was.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Never Star's top ten pick at the time.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He was a big name.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
I'm saying, like they could go out and get somebody. No,
you're saying no draft. You know what I want make
sure his offensive line gives protection, because when that kid
has a third second to throw its lights out.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
You've got the quarterback on the rookie deal. You're gonna
c J Strau's rookie deals up. You're gonnaive him fifty
five million a year.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
You gotta spend this off season to get this team
into super Bowl contention.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And you're saying you don't want to add a receiver.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
We can add one. I'm not going to get a superstar.
I got two, three guys. I like go draft another one. Okay,
I'm telling Rome Odunze you're not getting him.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
He's going early in the draft, not.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
As early as you think. Really, I think the lsh'll
put the money if you goes talk. I think the
LSU received neighbors. Oh come on, yeah, LSU never has
a receipt rome.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
All day goodness.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
He's so tallent you know, somebody told me he's gonna
be like Keenan Allen and the pros just catches everything.
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Speaker 1 (34:46):
So I debuted this several years ago and it was
an absolute disaster on the air. It was called the
Quarterback face Bracket, where I pick the playoff games only
on who had the better quarterback. First year it was off,
and in the last couple years it has been marginally redeemable.
But as the NFL has become more quarterback dependent and
(35:11):
more offensive coach driven, I have a feeling this year
my initially embarrassing quarterback face Bracket may hit paydirt. So
I will pick the playoff games the winners based solely
on who I believe today is the best quarterback. So
(35:33):
we started the AFC Joe Flacco and CJ. Stroud. Now,
Flacco was a great story, but he hasn't been great
this year. He's their fourth quarterback and he is limited
mistakes passer rating Loan ninety. But CJ. Stroud is the
better quarterback this morning, this afternoon, So I'll take CJ.
(35:59):
Stroud AFC Wildcard round in my Quarterback face bracket two
of Patrick Mahomes. Don't need to waste a lot of
time here. I think two is much more of a
game manager. I think Patrick Mahomes is a game elevator.
I will take Kansas City and Mahomes in my quarterback
face bracket again. Josh Allen at home against Mason Rudolph
(36:23):
feels pretty obvious to me. It's Josh Allen in the NFC.
It's a little dicey. Jalen Hurts against Baker Mayfield. Now
Baker was a number one pick. Jalen Hurts a second
round pick, but I do think the athletic ability and
decision making of Jalen Hurts. Baker may throw a prettier
(36:46):
ball with time to throw, but I would take Jalen
Hurts is the better quarterback today. Stafford and Golf both
top twelve, but I think most people would acknowledge Stafford
throws one of the best balls in the league. Former
number one pick hyper Talented Rams moved off Golf for
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Stafford McVay knows' offense, I would take Stafford, and this
is interesting. I think Jordan loves a higher ceiling. I
think he throws a prettier ball and is more gifted
athletically than Dak Prescott. But today, this morning, in this spot,
Dak Prescott's the better quarterback. Jordan Love is really talented,
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but still can be erratic, prone to some mistakes, just
hasn't seen all the defenses live like Dak Prescott has
so In review my winners according to my AFC and
NFC wild Card round bracket, CJ. Stroud, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
(37:53):
Jalen Hurtz, Matt Stafford, and Dak Prescott. Any pushback J
Mack any of those?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Unfortunately, I have pushback on one. You're not gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It's funny.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I on my podcast, I ranked the quarterbacks on Wildcard
you know weekend, Super Wildcard weekend, and I had Joe
Flacco ahead of c. J.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Stroud, And I took a couple things into consideration. Number
one is experience.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
His nickname is January Joe Flacco. He's ten and five
in the playoffs in his career. He is the moment's
not going to be too big for him and Colin.
I'm not saying it's gonna be too big for Stroud,
but the history of first round picks who are rookies
in the playoffs, it's not good against quarterbacks who have experience.
We might see Stroud have a rough day. And I
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don't want people to overreact if Joe Flacco is tremendous,
but I would rank Flacco ahead of Stroud. That would
be my only issue, and experience doesn't matter. I know
he hasn't had a playoff game in like.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Was always good in the PA.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
He's just gonna walk in just Joe Flacco, just casual.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm not gonna be roster, so that's possible, but that
would be my own a quibble, if you will. Yeah,
so I saw this the Warriors. Draymond Green is back.
You know, I employ him as a podcaster, and Steve
Kerr has been very pointed and very honest. We can't
have apologies. You just have to be better in real
time with officials. You know. I was thinking about this
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that the warriors bigger issue and the NBA's bigger issue
is beyond Draymond Green. Green and the Warriors have been
wildly popular and polarizing, and Draymond Green is part of
their popularity. People defend him, people don't like him. He's
the current villain in the NBA, there's no question, and
that has real value. So was Bill Lambert, so was Rodman.
(39:42):
The Bulls and the Pistons are and these Warriors are
three of the five six most popular teams I can
ever remember. The Bad Boy Pistons were wildly popular. So
were Jordan's Bulls. So were the Warriors. The Spurs had
great players. What was polarizing Milwaukee? What's polar Denver? It
does matter, Rodman, lam Vier, Draymond They're part of the appeal.
(40:07):
But two things have really carried the NBA's eroding ratings
over the last fifteen years. One is Lebron and two
is the Warriors, and they are both fading, one of
the Warriors very quickly. So I love Yokich, But the
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last five MVPs and your top five MVP voters Sga, Mb'd, Giannis, Jokich, Luca,
they're all international players. Now, baseball's gotten more international, Hockey's
always been international. I don't mind international. I don't necessarily
think it helps your domestic TV ratings. We'd rather watch
(40:48):
our Olympians than other Olympians. That's the reality of it.
Whatever the media says you should watch. We tend to
want to watch Americans crush. We watch them in college,
we watch them March madness, we watch them in college football.
Than we want just an easier follow So the Warriors
Celtics final had over a million more people watching than
Denver and Miami. Miami's popular, but Denver's led by Yokis,
(41:11):
who again I think is remarkable. So there's sort of
a domestic supply chain shortage. Is that we're looking Zion
didn't work, John Morant hasn't those were going to be
emerging stars Aunt Edwards in Minnesota. That's not a high
profile team, so it's kind of fascinating. We've talked about
this with the NBA. I love the NBA and I
love the international players. I love Jannis, I love Jokic.
(41:33):
I know everybody says it tugly basketball. I covered Sabonis
for years in Portland. I love watching them play. When
your center's your best passer and arguably your best shooter,
I think it's fascinating, but it's interesting. The Warriors and
Lebron have carried this league for fifteen years. They've really
carried the ratings, and the Warriors are fading fast. And
Lebron's not necessarily as a player. We saw that dunk
(41:55):
the other night, but there are limitations what that roster
can do if they don't make some whammo trade at
the deadline.
Speaker 7 (42:01):
I got your guy for you, the next great American
NBA star who's going to carry the league?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
You go ahead, you know, there you go, it's that's him.
He's the guy.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh, he's so good.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Who's a better American player right now?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
No? He I think he is. It's a guy.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
I mean, I guess people will Embiid you know, played
at Kansas and you know these.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Are international born players. Yeah, listen, all these sports, the
globalization of sports. To me, this is why all the leagues.
Baseball has never had more good players ever, Football, Basketball,
these leagues have never had more talent. But I'm just
talking about the NBA's ratings are always a topic, not
necessarily on this show. They shouldn't be, but well they're
a topic, and I do think what's fascinating for the league.
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Remember when Jordan left. David Stern's like Oh, let's go
elevate this guy, this guy, this guy. League lost half
its numbers, remember that when Jordan left because he was
so appealing. So it's going to be fascinating that we
are pivoting to the International NBA, which I love watching.
Not sure the whole countryes as into it as I am,
(43:02):
just it's just fascinating. Mark Sanchez, hour three two done quickly.
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Liveven Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. So Jmac, I've been saying this week,
there's no such thing as working with Bill Belichick. If
(00:46):
you're working for Bill Belichick, is that with all the
rings and all the intimidation, he's fairly rigid. He likes
what he likes. That this idea that you could bring
a GM in and he would work with Bill and
make big, powerful decisions that Bill may disagree with, because
if you work with somebody, you don't know what was agreed.
I think you're working for Bill, even if it's not
(01:08):
New England.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's interesting. So am I working with you or for you?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We both work for Fox and we try to work together. Okay, So,
but I think Tom Curran NBC four in Boston was
talking about Belichick, and there's a lot of talk about
he'll relinquish his GM duties with the Patriots, and current
very plugged in says, give me a break.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
We got a whole lot of folks saying, hey, Bill's
willing to relinquish GM duties, to which I say.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Come on, the guys.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
A master linguist, he said he'd be in favor of, quote, collectively,
what we decide as an organization.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Is best to help our football team. He's part of
that collective.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
But do you think he's going to agree to punt
on final Say you think, for instance, he's going to
be fine with wanting Jaden Daniels at number three and
somebody else saying yeah, no, Bill, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We're actually down for if someone.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Telling Bill that a fat chunk of cap space is
going to be spent on something Bill disagrees with.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Again, come on, so and that's one of the Bill realities.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Colin, kiss the ring, Colin, look at the resume, you guys,
resumes are yesterday. I want tomorrow. I think he could
go to Washington, draft Drake May and build structure. Washington
is starving for structure, and Bill provides that no question,
and if he gets the right quarterback they get Drake,
Bill could win. I'm not denying that, But if you
(02:32):
asked me to have a coaching tier based on straints, weaknesses, liabilities,
Tier one would be Jim Harbaugh. He has no holes.
He wins everywhere immediately. He's an offensive coach, it's an
offensive league, and more than any available coach. He's an
expert in college personnel because for the last eight nine
years he's recruited all of it. Mike Frabel and Tomlin
(02:56):
would be my tier twos. I don't think either would
have to be the GM and wouldn't fight with you.
They just want opinions. They're tough guys and culture builders,
very good with structure. And number three Ben Johnson, dan Quinn,
Belichick all have major holes. Ben Johnson's never been a
head coach, dan Quinn's success is tied to one coordinator,
(03:18):
Kyle Shanahan, and Bill is tone deaf Offensively, It's not
worth arguing the last four years without Brady, the Patriots
are bad and have gotten significantly worse every year the
further away Brady gets in the rear view mirror, the
uglier the windshield is. They're bad. So listen, I think
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all of these those are six coaches, they could all
be successful. But I do worry about the holes with
Ben Johnson, Dan Quinn Belichick. I don't think Harball has
a hole. He's going to be the expert. Like Pete
Carroll right out of USC or Jimmy Johnson right out
of Miami, they had like a three to a four
year window. They just knew personnel better than all their
(04:02):
NFL peers. They'd recruited all of it, seen high school tape.
They knew the odometer reading with that. Steve Kaim, my friend,
former NFL GM, ten years in Arizona, three playoff appearances,
draft Tyler Murray. So it's interesting a head coach is hired,
usually there's an owner and then there's the general manager.
(04:24):
But if Bill gets hired Steve, a GM would know
it's not the best day for him, right, Like his
power is going to be usurped. Do you think, like Washington,
for instance, it's got a rich new owner. Would a
GM even have a say with Bill or is this
an owner move? In your experience?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
You know, I think Colin, if Bill respected the GM.
It could certainly work cohesively. I know he worked well
with Nick Cassario or who was in Houston right now.
But I think there's a number of conversations that need
to happen. I mean, number one, I think Robert Kraft
has to find out whether Bill Belichick wants to be back,
whether he has the passion or not to lead the organization.
(05:05):
And number two, you know what's the plan moving forward?
Robert Kraft is the owner. He has owed the right
to know what is the plan moving forward? How are
we going to fix these things? And number three, how
are we going to hold you accountable? Was the general manager?
You have made some poor decisions. The roster is not
up to speed right now, and how are we going
to fix this? And I think always to some degree,
(05:25):
especially guys like Bill, I think they do respect good
football men if there are variances of opinions, because to me, again,
it sort of opens up eyes and is very very
healthy for an organization to have those variances of opinions.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Mike Vrabel fired. I was a bit shocked. Reads like
a power struggle. Don't think he'll be unemployed long. What
did you make of the dismissal of Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah, I was shocked, Colin. I think Mike Rabel is
one of the better head coaches in the National Football League. Again,
I know he's a defensive coordinator in terms of background,
but his leadership of men, his ability to set a
culture a second to nine, and I think certainly he's
going to be unemployed very very shortly.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Here.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
We know it's an offensive league, Steve. The rule changes
indicate that it's like eleven or twelve of your playoff
teams have offensive coaches. Would you be concerned a little
about a Tomlin of Rabel at Belichick because they're on
the side of the ball that increasingly has limitations.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Well, I certainly think that's a question, Colin, But I
think the better question is is who are you going
to have as your offensive coordinator? Who is going to
lead that quarterback room, who is going to develop the
player at the most important position in the National Football League?
And I think that if you can address that position,
and again, I know Bill has a guy like Bill
O'Brien who has a tremendous amount of respect in the
National Football League and who's had some success. So there
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are some good quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators out there
who can certainly get the job done.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So Chicago has retained Matt Eberflus, They've moved off offensive people.
It doesn't mean that they Matt loves Justin Field. And
I said this earlier, Caleb Williams. With only one elite
player in two years, Jordan Addison led the nation in offense.
They didn't really have a good offensive line this year.
They didn't have a powerful run game. So even if
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your scouts, if I ran the Bears and my scout
said he's even with Justin Fields, I would say, Okay,
I'm gonna draft him because I can restart the salary clock,
and I don't think he's even with Justin Fields. If
you ran the Bears, isn't as obvious as I'm making
it that you need to move Justin, get some draft
capital and draft Caleb. It feels obvious.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
To me, Yeah, Colin, I would certainly attempt to to
move Justin. I think he's a fine player, but to
be able to trade him to somewhere like Atlanta or Washington,
there's enough quarterback needy teams that would certainly be in
play for a guy like Justin Fields. The other fact
of the matter is you have to determine whether you're
going to pay a quarterback like Justin Field, who again
I think is a fine player, but he's not a
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special player. He's not a guy who played forty five
to fifty million dollars to and then, quite frankly, from
a cap standpoint, to be able to reset. Like you
said in the draft Williams, again, I think it's sort
of that mindset. Do you not draft Michael Jordan because
Clyde Drexel is playing that position for your team? You
take the special talent, the guy who can reset your organization,
who can put you late years ahead. And that's to
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me the decision they have to.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Make Russell Wilson situation. So, as Sean Payton says, we
haven't made a decision yet, my gut is they've made
a decision. It's just not public. I said earlier is
that the reason I'd move off him is a fairly
simple one. That is production this year twenty nine total touchdowns,
thirteen giveaways is okay, but that's not going to rise dramatically.
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His contract is so it's like a bad mortgage. I'm
going to be paying a lot more and the house
is decreasing in value or staying the same. So again
that looks like an easy one. That is production. It
wasn't terrible. It's a cost issue more than a production issue.
That's what it feels like to me. What would you
do if you're in Denver.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Yeah, listen when you look at the decision for the
Denver Broncos that they made to trade for Russell Wilson
and to give him that big contract. I mean, supplying
demand is a real issue here. There's not enough quarterbacks
to go around the lead. But now you're looking at
an aging quarterback whose skills are somewhat deficient and declining
in his play, to me, does not warrant a fifty
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million dollar contract anymore. And to me, this is the
point in time where you have to cut the cord.
You have to minimize your losses moving forward, and you
now have to reset. To me, you look at Sean
Payton and Russell Wilson, it looks like oil and water.
In my opinion, it doesn't seem like his type of guy.
And to me, as an organization, you got to cut
your losses and move forward.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Jim Harbaugh seems like the obvious best coach. Jim is
a disruptor. Jim's going to do it his way, but
his teams are good, fast, and they're physical. If you
were a GM, it may not be in you our
best interests to hire him, but don't you owe the
owner the best coach. What do you do with Harbaugh
if you're a GM.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
As a general manager, Colin, you owe the organization to
do the right thing and as much maintenance may come
with a guy like Jim Harble at times that he
may be hardheaded or maybe hard to work with, the
results speak for themselves. I mean, I think he was
forty four nineteen with the forty nine ers. Not only
does he have a great track record in the NFL,
he's done it at every level, whether it's in San Diego,
Stanford obviously now at the University of Michigan. He has
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won everywhere he's been. And to me, as a general manager,
if you're gonna have to have some battles and you're
gonna have to again, I think some of those conversations
that are tough to have, Colin are spirited, good conversations
that are healthy for an organization. Instead of looked at
as such a problem or that their confrontations.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, all right, Steve Khin great seeing you as always.
I appreciate you stop and buying. We'll talk off air
as well soon, Thank you, Steve Great Sea Colin. Yeah yeah,
I mean the Justin Fields thing. He's not a forty
million dollar player. Come on, what are we doing here?
If he was just even with Caleb, you can make
the move for the salary cap. What about Eberflus there's
no coach salary cap. I'd move them both. I'm not
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retaining both. I mean, you can't bring both back. It
doesn't work. It's ten and twenty eight. It doesn't work,
and you can't be incrementally better. Joe Burrow didn't make
the Bengals incrementally better. Josh Allen didn't make the Bills
incrementally better. That's not the game. It's not well slow,
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I mean, Josh. Jordan Love from October to December made
a massive uptick in production, more so than Justin Fields
has made in three years. So Jordan Love in two
months went from uh to wow. Jordan Love eight weeks
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made major strides. I mean CJ. Stroud College du Pro
week one to week twelve three months is he is
he a top seven quarterback in the league. He is good.
He is I have a buddy who watched tape. He's like,
he's better than people think. He's that good. That's not
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a great O line. So if you've got guys like CJ.
Stroud and Jordan Love in two and three months making
Grand Canyon size leaps, you can't give me incrementally better
three years later. No, I'm not paying that.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Can I ask you what is the argument to keep Eberflus,
Because couldn't you say, like, listen, we got the number
one pick, an improving defense, We're gonna get a really
good head.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Coach, like this is an attractive job. Oh, I think
would Rabel take it?
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I don't know, But like why Again, I'm not saying
fire ibrafoods. I'm just asking why why do you think
keep him but get rid of all the staff.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I wouldn't, but they probably didn't want to blow everybody
out of the building. They probably argue the defense we like.
We like how he drafts and develops defense. We like
what he's done with the defense. We've given our offense
all sorts of new personnel. It's still bad. We've given
our defense, a few more defensive players. We even moved
off Rocon Smith. We moved off some good defensive players,
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acquired one two. So I would argue their argument is, listen,
neither's been good enough. But if we have to keep one,
you don't have a salary cap for coaches. So I
would have moved off both. I would go Ben Johnson,
Caleb Williams, start the clock and go.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
So if you're an offensive coordinator, let's just I'm just
gonna throw out it at Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
See that. That's why I wouldn't have done this, because
who's gonna take that job?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's what I don't get.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, you know, I don't get the Bears either. Ever,
I wouldn't have done that because now you're not going
to get a good staff. You've got a lame duck coach.
You're not gonna get a good staff.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Just something.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
It feels weird, and I'm not Fireybrafous for sure. I
didn't love what he had done. Now they finished, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I mean you're good. You're as good as your staff.
I mean, one of the reasons McVeigh and Shanahan or good.
They have really good staffs, always have really good stats.
One of the reasons the Steelers in the last two
three years have driven their fans crazy their offensive coordinator.
When did the Buffalo Bills get better this year? They
moved off Ken Dorsey. They've been excellent since? What are
they six and one since? So you're as good you
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can be a great head coach if you have a weakness, understand,
I mean, the Jets are absolutely limited in my opinion
with their current OC. It's a totally average stat.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
And just remember, if you're letting him pick the offensive coordinator,
assuming you will, then the offensive coordinator is gonna what
if eba Fluss just says, hey, we don't want any
high profile throwing. We want to play with win with
defense in ground game. You know what these defensive coaches think.
I just something doesn't strike me right here, Colin. I
don't want to say dust the guy, but well, why
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don't you start press the reset buttons?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Start completely over.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I That's what I would do. I think again, let's
go back to it. You're as good as your staff.
There's a reason John Harbaugh keeps winning. Part of it
is Lamar Jackson. Another part of it is he builds
really good staffs. His staffs get poached, and Sean mcvay's
staffs get poached, and Kyle Shanahan's staff gets poached, and
Andy Reid's staff. The best coaches are usually really Jim
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harbaught Michigan. That staff is out.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Stand Sirianni lost his OC and DC and that team
has taken a significant step back.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So you're you know, the quarterback's the most important thing
and the head coach is second. But if you don't
think coordinators matter, Justin Herbert was never better than his
first year was. Shane Steikin was never better. Jalen Hurts
never better than Shane Steikin. So these coordinator we don't
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talk about them. They're really valuable and the Bears are
not going to get I would imagine who's going to
take that gig.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
I mean, it's do you almost have to narrow your
candidates to who will fit with Caleb Williams, assuming he's
your pick.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I think I think a lot of people would fit
with Caleb Williams. I think a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
It's different than Lamar Jackson with needing the pistol, and
they definitely win.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Now Lamar Jackson now now he's a different quarter anybody
can work with Lamar. There was a time for two
years that he had a certain style. But I think
what they try to do is bring a new oc
in because their takeaway was he didn't have to run
as much. He's just a great quarterback, which he is.
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Speaker 1 (17:26):
By the way, the staff just sent this to me.
Jordan Love in seventeen starts. That's it has thirty two
touchdown passes. Justin Fields has only eight more and over
double the starts, and he's well, he's got DJ Moore,
he's got Cole Comet, he had Chase Claypool, he like
had dudes. He had Mooney. Like it's not like Chicago
didn go out and buy him some players like they had.
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They drafted guys. They've got him another tight end, a
couple of receivers. So it's like more than twice the
start's only eight more touchdown passes. You can blame whoever
you want. You can blame whoever you want. The reality
is it's a cost production business like Russell Wilson production's here.
Cost is here. I got to move on justin Fields.
The productions way down here, and the cost potentially in
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a year is here. That's all it is. It's just
like your budget. The salary CAP's a budget. Where can
I spend my money? If I'm on the road sixty
hours a week, I'm a salesperson. I'll pay more for
the car. If I'm in a cubicle, I won't. So
it's a passing league. I got a big boy production
to give you an extension. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
All right.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
So Jason Kelsey, the Eagles center went on WIP morning
show in Philly.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I think you said you were going to have a
show there one.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Time, saying that this team does not need to make
any crazy offensive changes.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Last week, you know, we just didn't hit them with blitz.
Outside of that, we moved the one pretty good. We
had some good running games. I don't think we need
to do a whole complete shift or revamp of the offense.
I think we need to do some things better and
put ourselves in better situations coaches and players. The reality is,
you know, the plays that we have in and have
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been doing all year. I think the current ones that
we can have success with and have had success with.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't think he's wrong. I just think I have
questions about the guy running the show.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Okay, we love to play the blame game in the media.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Give me your top three reasons the Eagles right now
are just failing losing.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I think five of six. Give me the top three
in order.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Number one lost two great coordinators. Okay, that's number one.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Well, they were ten and one I think at some
point without those coordinators.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
But well, noway, the longer those coordinators are gone, the
worse it's gone. Okay, so you can take basic momentum.
You know, even bad coaches you go to college when
the assistant takes over for the legend, they win for
a year. All right, So they lost to elite coordinators.
Number two, I think they have a very average head coach.
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Oh and number three, they had to move off some
defensive pieces for a defense that could be at times
a bit inconsistent, and they're just not as good. But
it's a primarily a coaching issue.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Just to be clear, this is not about Jalen Hurts, right,
I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, no, no, I lie like Jalen Hurts. You are hey,
you go back and you look. I mean Matt Stafford
in the last three years, why is he better than
all the Detroit years. He's got a better coach. Even
great players Mahomes would not be Mahomes with a defensive
average coach. Even the best players need help Belichick. Brady
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would tell you today. Without Belichick and that defense, I'm
not winning all those rings.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yeah, it's weird because didn't the Eagles have the best
defense in the league last year credit NFL SA.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Had a great pass rush. Now they had to move
off linebacker. They had to move off of corner, a safety,
a linebacker. Those are good players.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I'm looking at there, and again it's just one data point,
but they're PFF grade. They missed Mattocks a lot this season.
The slot corner Bradbury has been awful. He can't guard anybody,
and Slay has regressed. Okay, and they had a linebacker
they moved off of. He's had a very good year elsewhere.
But also if the dup they move off.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Gardner Johnson uh C JGJ. They moved off him. He's
a good player too.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
It's one of those deals where if the defensive front
isn't getting all that pressure and forcing these bad passes,
maybe the cornerbacks just aren't great.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Maybe bradla just aren't good.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
They're paying a lot of people, so Jalen Hurts, Kelsey
and that's why I bring up Perts, Fletcher cop pay.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Hurts just got paid a lot, and now Eagles.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Are, oh, we gotta start cutting this offseason. There could
I don't want to say a blood letting, but like, now,
what happens if Lane Johnson and Kelsey say we're done.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That that's a Lane Johnson's not going to say that.
I think it's possible with Kelsey, and then you have
to go draft a center. That's what the draft.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Kelsey is like part of the heartbeat of that team.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Bronner Lee shoves, no question.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't want to say.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Tough times ahead, but it could be a bit of.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
A rocky offseason. Philadelphia has always made moves, even after
Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
They made Savvy Ye next up.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
We've talked a lot about Justin Field's future with the Bears,
especially now that they've got the number one pick. Despite
the prospect of drafting Caleb Williams former NFL quarterback Chase Daniel.
I think you remember him. He's been on the show here.
He believes Fields is the answer to the Bears franchise
quarterback search. Chase Daniel says Fields is the answer.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Nice guys. Not who's a nice guy, just Chase, but
just the players don't consider cap, they don't consider injuries.
If you took the cap issue out, aren't you a
little concerned? He's miss eleven starts, Eli Manning far have
never missed any starts. I mean, like, even I love
Lamar Jackson, you had to consider if you were the
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Ravens the last two years he's been hurt. Joe Burrell
with one more injury, I'm drafting another quarterback. And I
loved Jobert whoa wha, whoa hold time out for first round.
I'm drafting him somewhere. Belichick was drafting Garoffolo in the
second and Tom was hoisting trophy. Didn't they just say had.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Burrow five thousand million dollars?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Come on, you got all.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Of the one literally all of it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, and he's been banged up three straight years.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So when I called him glass Joe, I was spot on.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, I'm just saying, regardless of what you pay somebody,
injuries change everything you There's an argument to be made,
and you and I have made it. You should draft
a quarterback three out of four years.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Well, there are some rounding. Jake Browning looked.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
I know people are gonna say, no, he was pretty good.
He was way better than anybody thought.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That, way better than I thought. I watched him in
college at Washington. I didn't think he had an arm limited.
I thought he was a totally limited downfield thrower. I
thought he looked great.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Final story, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
On Christmas Day in the NBA, reports indicated that people
around the Sun's organization were feeling Durant was frustrated with
the Bradley Beal injury and the quote underwhelming. Supporting cast
sports Is Melissa Rowland set down for an exclusive interview
with Durant, who refuted those claims, saying.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I don't want to get traded.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I'm not frustrated because Brad was injured. I wasn't frustrated
because of the role players on the team. It's like, yeah,
we lose a game. You think I'm supposed to be
happy after.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
We lose a game.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm not frustrated with the whole situation.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
I may be frustrated at the moment at a bad
play or a tough stretch, but nah, I enjoy the grind.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, I mean this, I would just Suns fans are
freaking out. It's a work in progress. This is an
eighty two game schedule. Last year you had me believing
the Sacramento Kings we're gonna it's a work in progress.
So I mean, you can't bring in Bradley Beal and
Durant and move on Grayson Allen and move off Chris
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Paul and you're like, wow, we're not great yet. How
many games into the season.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Listen, we saw Patrick Mahomes cracked late in the season
with the Chiefs, Like we were like, oh, all these
dropped and he's not doing anything. Late in the season
he started. You started to see it unraveled, like I
would be surprised.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I dream.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
I got more ticked off the big game against the
Lakers Thursday, big one.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
They'll be fine, where's the game at here? Oh, I'd
go to that. Really, I'd go to that game. Ok,
once you get tickets, I'd go to that.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I know, I don't have it now, Well, I got
I got to lock in on work man. This is
is a you know, I'm focused.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, yeah, sure, Jane Acker the news.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So I've always had this theory that you can spot
like if you go they used to have. When I
was a little kid, I watched Johnny Carson, right, so
all the comedians that ended up on Johnny Carson were
pretty good. But I can remember watching Drew Carrey the
first time, or Gary Shandling the first time, and and
(25:48):
and Carson brought on a lot of comedians, but I
remember watching specifically Gary Shandling, Albert Brooks. Yeah I'm that old.
The first time I saw Albert Brooks, I was like, oh,
that guy's like a genius. I don't even know if
I knew what the word meant when I was seven
eight years old, but I remember watching Carson and the
truly great comedians. After like a seven minute set, that's it,
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six seven minutes, you were like, yeah, that's different. That
is wow. And without exception, I'm not some talent scout.
What do I know? I laugh, like you laugh. The
person that you thought was okay, the person that you
thought was great ended up having a great career on
Carson Seinfeld, the Lake, Gary Shandling, Albert Brooks identified largely
as a genius comedically still living and so I just
(26:31):
don't think it takes that long. Now in the NBA,
it's different because the kids come into the league at eighteen,
so your first couple of years they can't even drink
at the hotel bar. But in like let's say football,
if you get to Carson, your act is refined. Like
by the time you get to Carson, you're funnier, you're not,
you're great or your average. Same in the NFL, it
(26:53):
doesn't take that long. You've been in college for three
four some of these guys five years. So basketball put
that aside. There are guys that growing the games you
don't see initially. But we were talking about during the break,
is that j Mac asked me, we were talking about
c J. Stroud, and I said, by like week two
(27:14):
with Joe Burrow in the NFL, I was like, wow,
he is accurate.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Stroud, And I don't think you got to give the
coach or the coordinator or even the receivers the credit.
His accuracy downfield is top five in the league. Now,
I'm not saying you didn't have a good coordinator and
Tank Dell, you know, like some of those guys he
had Nico Collins earlier. Tankdale's hurt Nico Collins. I'm not
(27:39):
saying the receivers don't count Dalton Schultz tight end, but
his accuracy is crazy. By the second third game, You're like,
my god, he's like one of the most accurate throwers
in the league. And J Mack asked me, give me
the question you asked me during the break. I was
going crazy, like.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
To change it.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
But he's basically Cowherd is on the break, just glowing
about c J.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Stroud.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
He's the man is deep passing. And I say, who
would you rather have the next five years? C J
Stroud or Trevor.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Lawrence IJ c J Stroud absolutely, and I I mean,
let me sew this at you. CJ. Stroud's rookie year
with a defensive coach. This year is similar, if not
better than Trevor Lawrence's best season twenty three tds, five picks,
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one on one passer rating. Best year for Lawrence twenty
five touchdowns eight picks in a ninety five passer rating. Now,
they both play in the same division, so you can't
use that, and they both play in the same conference,
so they face the same defensive coordinators. So it would
lead me to believe that Stroud's better. If Stroud is
this good, this fast, he's the better quarterback. So then,
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by the way, I know, all you fanboys, I'm sure
you knew he was going to be this good. Houston
didn't know he was going to be this guy. No
nobody thought he was going to be this good. His camp,
we said it on the air. His comp was Jared Goff,
and my take was, well, Jared Goff's top twelve in
the league, that's possible. I like Bryce Young because the
way he moved, but he looks very small. The minute
you see Bryce Young in the NFL with no good receivers,
(29:11):
You're like, he's overwhelmed. But I'm saying c J. Stroud
to me, it's classic Joe Burrow, It's classic comedian on Seinfeld.
You can watch six seven minutes. You can watch c J.
Stroud for a half and he will make a wow
throw every half, And I mean stuff like I'm not
sure anybody but like my homes Burrow, that many guys
(29:32):
in the plats. How good I think his accuracy is
and he can do it off platform, on moving left,
moving right. That dude that he just lets go with
the ball. He made a throw about three weeks ago
and he was off platform up the left side, a
sideline throw, and I mean it had to be in
a spot as big as the football, off balance, moving
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and I just like, Okay, there's five people in the
world that can make that throw. So this or maybe.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
What's pretty cool out the NFL? Right like you can
you can make a statement.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
CJ.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Stroud is an amazing deep ball thrower, and I can
look up the stats and see if it backs it up.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
He's third in big pass plays as a rookie, So
third do you.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Want me to I'm sure the audience would love it
if I knocked you down a peg here.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
But according to Pro Football Focus, CJ.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Stroud second best completion percentage on passes of twenty yards
or more in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Number one will shock you. His name is Brock Perdy
with his deep ball accuracy.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But c J.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Stroud on passes of twenty more yards eight touchdowns, zero interceptions,
pretty phenomen I'm just saying, Trevor Lawrence is you know,
his accurate, but.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
His accuracy on plays down the field freakish. It is freakish,
and you could see it immediately. It's like the hell
it is. It's like Stafford, Like Matt Stafford is one
of those guys on thirty plus. You're like, that's way
too easy. It looks like Stafford. It is just a
naturally gifted thrower who effortlessly makes thirty seven yards throws
(31:00):
into small windows.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
So now let me rearrange a question. Next five years,
Next five J Stroud or Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I thought, well, I would say CEJ. Stroud because of
his ability to be great with a defensive coach. It
does matter that you've sat for three years Matt Lafleur
and all those receivers. Jordan Loves got some special stuff
to He moves better than cg.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Not nearly as good as a deep ball thrower percentage.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Why what I'm saying is on just the deep ball stuff,
what you're watching with c. J. Stroud is not a coordinator,
it's not a coach. It's not a tight end or receiver.
It's c J. Stroud, and it is. It is unbelievable
how good he is. It is Matt Stafford to me
is one of the best forty yard throws. Stafford does it.
(31:49):
He flicks. It's John Elway. It's just a flick. It
is effortless. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
So you know the smart teams when they get a
quarterback on the rookie deal, what's like the second move,
Go get me a superstar wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You know Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I like Hopkins. I don't need to pay.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Josh Allen got Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I know you like Nico Collins and and Tank Dell
was great before the injury. You could go big game
hunting and go out and get somebody.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Colin A. J. Brown doesn't seem thrilled in Philly Stefon Diggs.
We'll see what happens about it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't need the drama. I like my young inexpensive receivers.
You can go get the ego and the drama.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Even Patrick Mahomes, they got him, Sammy Watkins. I know
that Watkins was.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Never Star's top ten pick at the time.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He was a big name.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
I'm saying, like they could go out and get somebody. No,
you're saying no draft. You know what I want make
sure his offensive line gives protection, because when that kid
has a third second to throw its lights out.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
You've got the quarterback on the rookie deal. You're gonna
c J Strau's rookie deals up. You're gonnaive him fifty
five million a year.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
You gotta spend this off season to get this team
into super Bowl contention.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And you're saying you don't want to add a receiver.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
We can add one. I'm not going to get a superstar.
I got two, three guys. I like go draft another one. Okay,
I'm telling Rome Odunze you're not getting him.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
He's going early in the draft, not.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
As early as you think. Really, I think the lsh'll
put the money if you goes talk. I think the
LSU received neighbors. Oh come on, yeah, LSU never has
a receipt rome.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
All day goodness.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
He's so tallent you know, somebody told me he's gonna
be like Keenan Allen and the pros just catches everything.
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Speaker 1 (34:46):
So I debuted this several years ago and it was
an absolute disaster on the air. It was called the
Quarterback face Bracket, where I pick the playoff games only
on who had the better quarterback. First year it was off,
and in the last couple years it has been marginally redeemable.
But as the NFL has become more quarterback dependent and
(35:11):
more offensive coach driven, I have a feeling this year
my initially embarrassing quarterback face Bracket may hit paydirt. So
I will pick the playoff games the winners based solely
on who I believe today is the best quarterback. So
(35:33):
we started the AFC Joe Flacco and CJ. Stroud. Now,
Flacco was a great story, but he hasn't been great
this year. He's their fourth quarterback and he is limited
mistakes passer rating Loan ninety. But CJ. Stroud is the
better quarterback this morning, this afternoon, So I'll take CJ.
(35:59):
Stroud AFC Wildcard round in my Quarterback face bracket two
of Patrick Mahomes. Don't need to waste a lot of
time here. I think two is much more of a
game manager. I think Patrick Mahomes is a game elevator.
I will take Kansas City and Mahomes in my quarterback
face bracket again. Josh Allen at home against Mason Rudolph
(36:23):
feels pretty obvious to me. It's Josh Allen in the NFC.
It's a little dicey. Jalen Hurts against Baker Mayfield. Now
Baker was a number one pick. Jalen Hurts a second
round pick, but I do think the athletic ability and
decision making of Jalen Hurts. Baker may throw a prettier
(36:46):
ball with time to throw, but I would take Jalen
Hurts is the better quarterback today. Stafford and Golf both
top twelve, but I think most people would acknowledge Stafford
throws one of the best balls in the league. Former
number one pick hyper Talented Rams moved off Golf for
(37:07):
Stafford McVay knows' offense, I would take Stafford, and this
is interesting. I think Jordan loves a higher ceiling. I
think he throws a prettier ball and is more gifted
athletically than Dak Prescott. But today, this morning, in this spot,
Dak Prescott's the better quarterback. Jordan Love is really talented,
(37:29):
but still can be erratic, prone to some mistakes, just
hasn't seen all the defenses live like Dak Prescott has
so In review my winners according to my AFC and
NFC wild Card round bracket, CJ. Stroud, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
(37:53):
Jalen Hurtz, Matt Stafford, and Dak Prescott. Any pushback J
Mack any of those?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Unfortunately, I have pushback on one. You're not gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It's funny.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I on my podcast, I ranked the quarterbacks on Wildcard
you know weekend, Super Wildcard weekend, and I had Joe
Flacco ahead of c. J.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Stroud, And I took a couple things into consideration. Number
one is experience.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
His nickname is January Joe Flacco. He's ten and five
in the playoffs in his career. He is the moment's
not going to be too big for him and Colin.
I'm not saying it's gonna be too big for Stroud,
but the history of first round picks who are rookies
in the playoffs, it's not good against quarterbacks who have experience.
We might see Stroud have a rough day. And I
(38:40):
don't want people to overreact if Joe Flacco is tremendous,
but I would rank Flacco ahead of Stroud. That would
be my only issue, and experience doesn't matter. I know
he hasn't had a playoff game in like.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Was always good in the PA.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
He's just gonna walk in just Joe Flacco, just casual.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm not gonna be roster, so that's possible, but that
would be my own a quibble, if you will. Yeah,
so I saw this the Warriors. Draymond Green is back.
You know, I employ him as a podcaster, and Steve
Kerr has been very pointed and very honest. We can't
have apologies. You just have to be better in real
time with officials. You know. I was thinking about this
(39:21):
that the warriors bigger issue and the NBA's bigger issue
is beyond Draymond Green. Green and the Warriors have been
wildly popular and polarizing, and Draymond Green is part of
their popularity. People defend him, people don't like him. He's
the current villain in the NBA, there's no question, and
that has real value. So was Bill Lambert, so was Rodman.
(39:42):
The Bulls and the Pistons are and these Warriors are
three of the five six most popular teams I can
ever remember. The Bad Boy Pistons were wildly popular. So
were Jordan's Bulls. So were the Warriors. The Spurs had
great players. What was polarizing Milwaukee? What's polar Denver? It
does matter, Rodman, lam Vier, Draymond They're part of the appeal.
(40:07):
But two things have really carried the NBA's eroding ratings
over the last fifteen years. One is Lebron and two
is the Warriors, and they are both fading, one of
the Warriors very quickly. So I love Yokich, But the
(40:27):
last five MVPs and your top five MVP voters Sga, Mb'd, Giannis, Jokich, Luca,
they're all international players. Now, baseball's gotten more international, Hockey's
always been international. I don't mind international. I don't necessarily
think it helps your domestic TV ratings. We'd rather watch
(40:48):
our Olympians than other Olympians. That's the reality of it.
Whatever the media says you should watch. We tend to
want to watch Americans crush. We watch them in college,
we watch them March madness, we watch them in college football.
Than we want just an easier follow So the Warriors
Celtics final had over a million more people watching than
Denver and Miami. Miami's popular, but Denver's led by Yokis,
(41:11):
who again I think is remarkable. So there's sort of
a domestic supply chain shortage. Is that we're looking Zion
didn't work, John Morant hasn't those were going to be
emerging stars Aunt Edwards in Minnesota. That's not a high
profile team, so it's kind of fascinating. We've talked about
this with the NBA. I love the NBA and I
love the international players. I love Jannis, I love Jokic.
(41:33):
I know everybody says it tugly basketball. I covered Sabonis
for years in Portland. I love watching them play. When
your center's your best passer and arguably your best shooter,
I think it's fascinating, but it's interesting. The Warriors and
Lebron have carried this league for fifteen years. They've really
carried the ratings, and the Warriors are fading fast. And
Lebron's not necessarily as a player. We saw that dunk
(41:55):
the other night, but there are limitations what that roster
can do if they don't make some whammo trade at
the deadline.
Speaker 7 (42:01):
I got your guy for you, the next great American
NBA star who's going to carry the league?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
You go ahead, you know, there you go, it's that's him.
He's the guy.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh, he's so good.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Who's a better American player right now?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
No? He I think he is. It's a guy.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
I mean, I guess people will Embiid you know, played
at Kansas and you know these.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Are international born players. Yeah, listen, all these sports, the
globalization of sports. To me, this is why all the leagues.
Baseball has never had more good players ever, Football, Basketball,
these leagues have never had more talent. But I'm just
talking about the NBA's ratings are always a topic, not
necessarily on this show. They shouldn't be, but well they're
a topic, and I do think what's fascinating for the league.
(42:41):
Remember when Jordan left. David Stern's like Oh, let's go
elevate this guy, this guy, this guy. League lost half
its numbers, remember that when Jordan left because he was
so appealing. So it's going to be fascinating that we
are pivoting to the International NBA, which I love watching.
Not sure the whole countryes as into it as I am,
(43:02):
just it's just fascinating. Mark Sanchez, hour three two done quickly.
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