May 1, 2021 • 49 mins
In this episode, John reacts to the Aaron Rodgers bombshell news that he doesn't want ever suit up for the Packers today , and if there's any way to salvage the relationship. He also gives his top takeaways from rounds 1-3 of the 2021 NFL Draft, including who got the best value, and his thoughts on the first round QB's!
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Back at it again on a Saturday, well a weekend,
Happy Saturday, Happy draft. As I'm recording this, it's the
middle of the third round. Um, the Vikings pick seventy eight,
so we're just rocking and rolling. I wanted to wait
till the weekend just to see if something crazy happened. Obviously,
the Rogers thing is what I'm gonna start with, and
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then just some of the main points. I'm mainly gonna stick. Listen,
I play the hits. We're gonna talk about the first round.
Some things that stood out to me and some funny
things and yeah, the quarterbacks, and we'll dive into a
little bit the Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff my Instagram handle.
I'm probably gonna do that on a weekend, which would
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probably be there Saturday or Sunday. I'm recording this on Friday,
so someday this weekend I'm gonna throw a bunt. I
have so many direct messages aka dms, and I just
I want to do a football podcast, and I'll save
some of the dms also for Tuesday's pod. But I
want to make this just kind of a heavy hitter.
What was going on in the last twenty four forty
eight hours, and we'll do with that. If you listen
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It helps with business. I want to start with Aaron Rod,
biggest story in America right, absolute bombshell. He wants to
get traded, slash, He's never gonna play for the Packers again.
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A lot happened on Thursday. We were all swimming. Help me,
you know. Obviously I covered the forty nine ers really closely.
It was like at the forty nine Ers gonna trade
for Aaron Rodgers. A lot happened as I'm recording this
right now. He's still on the Packers, but I think
we need to rewind and listen full disclosure, candid about it.
I was open about it a year ago. I thought
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they did the right thing when they took Jordan Love.
They made a calculated, educated guess that Aaron Rodgers' career
was trending down. You know why their first year Gudakins
on the floor as the head coach and the general manager.
It didn't go well. So they thought big picture and
they drafted Jordan Love at the end of the first round.
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Here's the problem. Sometimes when you make a decision, it
does not have the desired outcome. A lot of people
get married, guess why. A lot of people get divorces.
A lot of people go to work at companies because
they think they're gonna move their way up and make
a lot of money, and they get stuck and they're
not able to move up. We all make decisions, at
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least the most of us, right, with the best intentions
possible and the information. I would say, any good decision
maker with the best information you know that's available to them,
and most people in a company in the NFL, in
a household are just giving suggestions. There's really only one
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decision maker. When I grew up, it was my mom
or dad, right, Ultimately, it was their decision. If you
have kids, it's you, it's not them. They tell you
what they want to do. You're in control. When you
work at a company, you give suggestions, it's ultimately the
boss or the owner's decision. All these kids that have
been drafted tonight, you know, the team is drafting them
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in hopes they're gonna be a good fucking player, Pro
Bowls starters, second contract guys. They don't know. They're just
taking the information in hand and they're making educated decisions
because we all want an outcome that we really kind
of can't control. But a lot of stuff in life
is out of control. We're kind of hoping for. We
know where we wanted to go, but we don't know
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if we're gonna get there. And I think most people
make the decisions with I mean, I think, you know,
I guess there are some you know, bad people, but
most goodhearted people make the decision that they think is best.
If they run a company for the company, if they
run an NFL team for the team. What does Belichick
always say, I'm gonna do the best thing in the
interest of the team. I don't think he's lying. Doesn't
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mean everything always works out. They saw Aaron Rodgers didn't
go well. They took Jordan Love. Here's a simple reality.
It backfired in their face. Rogers was pissed off. Don't
totally blame him, even though at the time he was
coming off a season where I don't want to say
he looked washed, but he looked like his arrow was
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pointing down. Then he comes back and he wins the MVP.
He carries the team I don't know to the NFC
Championship where they hosted the game at home, and he
was the best player in the league. It's not even
arguable he was better start to finish than Patrick Mahomes,
who might be the best quote unquote player in the league.
But last year Rogers individually was the best player in
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the league. And here's what Rogers does really well. And
I told Colin this on his podcast. He had a quote,
It's crazy when you read a book or you read
an article that really you remember if it's really good,
you don't remember the whole thing. At least I don't.
Maybe it's my limited intellectual capacity, but I'll never forget this,
and it's kind of crazy. I you know, I do
this podcast for Colin. I once was reading his book
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just because I was a fan of his work, and
he in his first book. It's really the it's only
count I think he wrote two books. I only read
the first one, but he had a great line. I
remember writing it down. I didn't even need to. It's
stuck in my head forever. Then, holding a grudge is
like chain smoking hate, and I've never forgot that because
I'm petty and I can hold grudges. I still do
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to this day, even though I've tried, quote unquote, as
I've matured again that's in quotations. You could say I'm
not that mature, but I'm definitely more mature than I
was four or five years ago that I try not
to hold grudges because I do think he was onto something.
It's like holding hate inside your body and the majority
of humans and I fall in this category struggle the
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function when the grudge is at the top of my mind.
I think as I've aged, I've been able to kind
of compartmentalize a grudge. I still like a little grudge.
You know, when someone I think kind of fucks me,
it's hard for me to forget. But I used to
definitely in my late twenties and early thirties. And again,
you're talking about a guy who got fired in the NFL,
who had a rough breakup in radio that it was
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just really angry, But it really both times the best
thing that ever happened to me. And as time goes on,
you just you kind of let it go. But early
on I would have been way more productive and probably
Wade made more money fatter if I would have flown
to the side, because I'm not great at compartmentalizing anger. Clearly, Rogers,
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who's like a year older than me. Yeah, I'll be
thirty seven this year, he'll be thirty eight, So yeah,
he's a year older than me, a class older than
me in high school, I think, and he's talked about this,
got very very good at compartmentalizing his emotions because he's
always been known as a petty guy, right, And I
think a lot of people aren't. I don't think he's
alone by any means. Most people are definitely not as
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talented at what they do as aaron, and this year
he was laser focused. He embraced the offense, and he
eviscerated the NFL, absolutely destroyed them, basically took the uh
you know, gasoline, poured it all over everyone. He played
and lit the match up until the last game when
he was he was you know, it was his best
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game of the season. But I'm not putting that whole
game on Rogers. But they lost in the NFC Championship game.
One thing was clear with some of his comments after
the season to McAfee and then what happened this week.
He never forgot. He just put it to the side.
But like any true grudgeholder, he never let it go.
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He didn't, you know, wrap it up and throw it
in the trash. He was pissed off, and in fairness
to him, all the Fenn Rogers here, their decision to
him was a major refe and it failed. It backfired
because it pissed him off. Slash makes him hate them
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and they have a problem on their hands now, and
it's easy to say, well, just suck it up and
come back together. Look at the Seattle Seahawks. I was
just talking to Coward about this. They go acquire a
tight end this offseason, they go acquire a new offensive coordinator.
They go inquire a new offensive lineman, Gabe Jackson, they
bring back Chris Carson. They do a good job of
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just simmering the fire around Russell Wilson. The Packers kind
of do the opposite for the ninth time in ten years,
they take a defensive player in the first round. Now,
I always defend teams that win consistently because drafting in
the late twenties is difficult. Khalil Max and Julio Joneses
and JJ Watts aren't just sitting there when you're picking
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at twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty. But that was basically like, yeah,
we're just gonna do what we do. We don't really
care about Aaron's feelings. And it's twenty twenty one, it's
not nineteen ninety six. Aaron not only is your franchise,
he prints money for your franchise. The problem with their
franchise though, there's not an individual who understands how much
money Aaron's making them because the an owner does not exist.
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So there is like this disconnect between a money guy
that Aaron could go do and be like what the
fuck are we doing that. They have a team president
who's an employee, and they have a GM. They're a
front office run operation. I think they're in a tough
spot now. I also think it's easy for anyone to
say I'm out, I'm not coming back. Aaron makes thirty
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five thirty seven million dollars a year last time I checked,
that's about two million dollars a game. That's a lot
of coin. Is he gonna sit out games? I doubt it.
But if he's true and goes, listen, guys, I'm never
playing for you again. Trade me. And in modern day times,
that has more juice than it did in the Al
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Davis heyday, back when Bill Parcels was coaching. Those days
are kind of over. Even in the NFL, it takes
a rare guy. Most players you say, shut up, we
don't care. He's the best player in the league. When
he says that, it actually batters. And listen. They created this,
They made a decision. I've been to several weddings. People
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are happy. Some of those people still happily married, several kids.
Some of those weddings, I'm only in my mid thirty
so you do the math. Some of these people aren't
that old. Got divorced and got divorced fast. No one
gets married thinking they're gonna get a divorce. They made
the move thinking Rogers was trending the wrong way. He wasn't.
He fired back and played arguably his best season in
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five years. So now they got a problem on their
hands if they are going to trade him. One destination
makes a lot of sense. The Las Vegas Raiders, which
a team that he literally put on the list of
teams he would go to. I would have listened. I
understand that the Niners were arrival. If you love Trey Lance,
I don't know if they did. It doesn't get any
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better than the third overall pick and replace him with
a quarterback. Because here's what you can't do. You can't
trade him the Denver Broncos for three first rounders in
a second round pick. Not get a quarterback back and
roll with Jordan Love. Because if Jordan Love sucks, and
last year he definitely sucked, you get fired and you
never become a GM and you never become a head
coach in the NFL again. So I do think this situation. Ideally,
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you want him back on your team. Obviously, I mean
that's not preaching the choir here. That's what you want,
that's a desire outcome. But if he truly makes us think,
I do believe he has the jews to force his
way out. And I only think there's one destination that
makes any sense. That's the Packers. You get back a
quarterback who you could immediately be competitive with, make the
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playoffs next year. Derek Carr his teammate Davante Adams from college,
their buddies. Here would be one fixable thing. And I
told Coward this on his podcast. I said, listen, you
want to make good something in my business. When you
mess up an ad read and the company's like, you know,
you screwed up the ad read or you forgot to
read the ad, we need to make good. I imagine
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anyone listening, depending on what your industry is, probably pretty normal.
Someone screws up and we paid for it. You need
to make good on that. Here's a way to make
good on Aaron Rodgers and listen, I'm not a salary
cap expert. They would need to figure out some things.
Go trade for Julio Jones. Go hey, listen, Aaron, We're
sorry we messed up the Jordan Love trade. We'll trade
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Jordan Love, get rid of Jordan Love. If that's what
it takes. Go get Julio Jones and then you got
DeVante and then you got Julio. Because here's what we know.
It's laughablelded When people are like, you know, he'll retire,
he'll go host Jeopardy. No he won't. He's the MVP
of the league. He wants to play football. The question
is does he ever want to look at Mark Murphy
and Brian Goodkins in the face again because they took
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Jordan Love. Put yourself in that situation. Even if you
had a down year, You literally carried the franchise for
a year, multiple MVPs before last year, won a Super
Bowl helped. I mean, clearly Rogers Stott McCarthy was a
village idiot, whether that's true or not. Like you'd say
based on last year Aaron Rodgers case, it looks pretty good.
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Looks like I would lean he was onto something you
either gotta make good or like understand like he's kind
of right on this. You made a decision, and that's
what gms are paid to do. Not all decisions are easy,
and most of them, or at least probably half of
them when it comes to the draft do not work.
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It's one thing, though, when you pick a player who
can't play, whatever you move on, you go find someone
that can through a trade, through the waiver wire, through whatever,
free agency. It's another thing to pick a player to
replace another player who happens to be the MVP of
the league, who happens to be a guy who needed
more help a team that was right there on the cusp.
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Gudikins blew it. So when I read like, you know
this is a tough spot for Gudikins, Yes, one that's
self inflicted. He created this fire. There is no way
around it. Now. I've said before, I'm not trying to
like create new narratives or new angles because I've said before,
do they get some credit from motivating Aaron? And the
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more I've thought about it, maybe a little. But Aaron's
been great before, Like Aaron's just I don't know an
elite player. So they made a move, a bold move.
It blew up in their face, and I was them.
I would work day and night to fix this thing.
I'd be kissing his ass, I'd fly out to see him.
I'd trade for Julio Jones I'd do whatever's necessary. But
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if I do get to a point and he's got
the juice to make it, this is never the genie's
never going back into the bottle. It's over to me.
The Raiders are the only team that could keep these
guys head above water and keep their jobs for the
foreseeable future because they get a quarterback back under contract
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my thoughts on the first round, I have to read
this quote because it's one of the most incredible things
I've ever seen. And I love Dan Campbell. I've been
a big Dan Campbell fan from an entertainment standpoint. Douce Staley,
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I consider Deuce a friend. He's on the staff and
I love Due Staley. I'm rooting for the Lions. The
Lions drafted a pass rusher Levi owned Zoriki from Washington.
He opted out this year, didn't play. I think the
Niners were going to draft him. The Lions traded up
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to get ahead of them and take him. Here was
his quotes after he got picked and went on with
the Detroit media If this doesn't sum up the Detroit
Lions and the Dan Campbell operation, I don't know what
does quote. I like fucking people up. I like to
get off the line and just put my helmet or
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my hands on an offensive lineman and fuck up an
offensive scheme pretty much. I like pushing them back two
or three yards and just making them feel like shit.
End of quote. This is a great tweet. Chris, who
tweeted this out the press conference was like a Scorsese film.
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Goodness like that. I love everything about Dan Campbell. I
love this kid. That's awesome. I don't know much about
that player. A lot of Pac twelve players, Pine Swell,
that guy, the Oregon safety. A lot of guys that
got drafted in the top like fifty picks did not
play this year. But I want to start. We'll get
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into the quarterbacks here in a second, but just some
picks that stood out to me. Listen. I love wide receivers,
I love running backs. I like offense. I consider myself
an offensive guy. I don't know that much about defense
even I mean, if you just put me on the whiteboard,
wad I don't. I'm not a defensive guy. I can
evaluate defensive linemen, linebackers, and definitely dbs or not my
strong suit. I lean offense. In my career in the
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league and definitely in college two offensive coaches, our best
players were always on offense. I feel very, very comfortable
evaluating talking about being around offensive people. So I like
wide receivers, but I fundamentally don't believe when you get
a sweet quarterback and draft a guy like a Joe Burrow,
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like I mean, I don't know if two a sweet,
but you drafted him really high. You have to protect
him and in the draft you have to have a hierarchy.
Offensive linemen are more important than wide receivers. Why I
can get wide receivers in the second and third round.
And I understand that TWA played with Jalen Waddle. Guess
what I love Jalen Waddle. I understand that Joe Burrow
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played with Jamar Chase. Guess what I love Jamar Chase.
I like both those players. I would take him on
my team yesterday. Those guys are badasses. But I would
take an offensive lineman pinay Sewell over both those guys,
and both teams passed on them. I disagree fundamentally with
that philosophy. Joe Burrow was out for the season last
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year because they could not block. Well, you got Jonah
Williams coming back. Your draft Pinay Seul, all of a sudden,
you're cooking with gas. We're going the Miami Dolphins. You
get Penney Sewel. You got Austin Jackson, you got two tackles.
I understand, Like, I get it. I want wide receivers,
but you gotta get the guy helped first. I remember
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when I was doing stuff with the Raiders. They drafted
Amari Cooper the year after they drafted Derek Carr, but
they already had Gabe Jackson, Donald Penn and Rodney Hudson,
like they had a core group of offensive linemen already
on the team. I like building in the trenches early
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in the draft. I didn't like those picks, not because
I didn't like the player. I just was like, uh,
I don't know, here's another thing that really stands out.
And I don't necessarily totally blame them this year, but
it's happened now like twice in four or five years.
Why do we always know who the New York Giants
are gonna take? We always know the Eagles jumped them,
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and maybe it was clear. Maybe it's maybe I'm being unfair,
but Howary Roseman flips with the Cowboys to get Davante
Smith because he knew the Giants were gonna take him.
The Giants do a poor job just in general of
keeping it close to the vest who they're gonna draft.
I just didn't quite get that one. And I gotta
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give the Cowboys a lot of credit. They trade back
with the Eagles because guess what, there, it's not like,
you know, we don't want to play Davante Smith. Davante
was either going to the Eagles or he was going
to the Giants. The Cowboys are going to play him
twice a year, so they said, ship, we might as
well take the extra third round pick and draft the
same guy that we would take anyway. Then turns out,
obviously the Giants moved back with the deal with the
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with the Bears. But I like like back to Dan Campbell,
like their excitement when they took Penney Seul because they're
just trying to build in the trenches because that's the
one place where you can still be really physical. I
love it. I like the running backs going twenty four
and twenty five Naji is a Bawler. Travis etn Bawler
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don't love Urban Meyer, you know, dropping he's a third
down back. No, Urban, he's your starting running back. And
the rookie they have last year is good. But as
someone in the league told me, they're like, you know,
Urban's either gonna be two things. The Jags are hoping
he's going to be Jimmy Johnson. He might be Butch
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Davis now, Butch Davis won pretty big in college. I
don't think Urban's gonna be Butch Davis, but I don't know.
Comments like that, like is he gonna be Jimmy Johnson,
I don't know. And I like their first two picks. Hell,
I like the third pick. They've got the corner they
took from Georgia. So I just to me, value of
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value value is key. Like certain and JC Horn, those
guys are plug in play starters a premium position Draft
eight and nine, Like those two picks for the Panthers
and the Broncos. That's not out thinking the room, but
taking wide receivers when stud tackles are on the board.
Look what happened a couple of picks later. What do
the Chargers do where Shawn Slater ship, We'll take him.
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What are the Jets do they trade up for Tucker
from USC? I like taking offensive lineman really high because
history would say I can get badass wide receivers in
the second and third round. So I just didn't love
those picks. And let's talk about the quarterbacks. We've talked him,
you know, forever about Trevor Lawrence. He's a big time talent.
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It's gonna be on Urban Meyer and the coaching staff.
He to me, is gonna be good enough. It's gonna
be whether they can surround him. They already got etn
they got some wide receivers. They should be pretty pretty
talented on offense. I actually had a buddy in the
league text me just impromptly, like, you know, looking at
the Jack's roster, I can see them winning six or
seven games. They have a lot more talent on the team.
Obviously starts with the quarterback. But to me, the coach,
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we'll see, I mean the jury, he's gonna be out.
We're all gonna be watching it pretty closely. It's a
fascinating watch. Two guys I got red flag though, are
Zach Wilson. I think it's gonna be difficult. I really do.
Their team is not very good. It's just not. They
signed Corey Davis, they don't have a running back. They drafted,
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you know what, they drafted a wide receiver last year
high in the second round. But you know this guy's
coming from BYU, New York City. The pressure, I just
think it's gonna be really, really difficult. First time a
head coach, first time coordinator on defense and on offense.
Laflour's brother has never called plays obviously, he's worked with
Kyle forever. So the pressure is just it's New York.
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It's angry, It's just it's gonna be intense. Here's the
other elephant in the room. I think sam Donold's gonna
be pretty good in Carolina, so part of Zach Wilson.
The reason you're there is because they traded sam Donold,
who they drafted number three overall. So if he's playing
well and Wilson's struggling, it just would be difficult. I
think Mac Jones. Everyone just assumes Mac Jones is gonna
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be good. First and foremost, Mac Jones didn't fall. I
actually think he got drafted relatively high fifteen from Mac
fucking Jones and I'm not at Mac Jones hater. I'd
say historically mac Jones goes in the second round, like
pick forty five fifteen's pretty high. And I love Belichick.
I think he's the greatest coach of all time. But
let's not act like he's some great drafter recently. Could
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Mac Jones be good in New England? Sure? Could? He
also struggle one hundred percent. Sean McDermott is a big
time defensive coach, so is Brian Flores. Do you know
what New England is that Alabama is not? Cold? Snows, rain, sleets.
Mac Jones not used to that weather. I don't know
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how he's gonna play in November and December. It's tough.
The pressure also of playing for Bill Belichick. Now I
get he played for Saban. This is a different level.
It just is he doesn't have Jalen Waddle, he doesn't
have DeVante Smith. Nag Harris ain't walking through that door.
And I know they signed a couple tight ends, and
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they signed Kendrick Bourne and they signed Nelson Agilar. I
don't love Nelson Agilar in that weather. That's going to
be a challenge to justin fields. The value for justin Fields,
the guy almost six feet four inches tall who ran
off in the four fours with a big time arm.
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In the history of the draft Hight productions, there never
been in trouble off the field. That guy usually goes
in the top five. So for the Bears to get
him at eleven, that's highway robbery. I was texting with Naggie.
He's so fired up, like just the value there that
just fell in his lap. That's crazy. Now, I don't
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know if it's gonna work or not, but that talent.
You could combine Trisk, Trubisky, you could combine Dalton, you
could throw in Foals, and I know Foals accomplished a
lot those three buying their talent. They don't equal Fields. Now,
talent doesn't equal success in the NFL at quarterback, but
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it's hard to just find these type talents who also
produced in college. So for the Bears to just be
there at twenty and all of a sudden, this kid
starts falling down and they're able to get up to eleven.
Ryan pay should go to church this Sunday and say
some say some thanks. I'm not even a religious guy.
I don't even know what you say. But you hit
your knees, you look up, you look up top, and
you go, how did this happen to me? We end
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up with Justin Fields because we were about to go
into the season with Andy Freakin Dalton. Like it's like,
maybe Andy Dalton starts. I heard someone say, like maybe
he could be the Alex Smith. Alex Smith Andy Dalton. One,
he's not as good as Alex Smith. Two, Justin Fields
should start day one out Andy Dalton. You're the backup buddy,
and enjoy being a ten million dollars backup. There's nothing
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wrong with that. But Justin Fields should start day one,
and it's if he's good, he could save really their jobs.
Here's the other thing. An underrated part about getting drafted
is where your narrative starts with the fans in the media,
especially in a big city. It's like if mac Jones,
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I'll get to the Niners. Here in a second, had
come to the Niners, it would have been very, very
negative from the jump in a weird way. People would
have been rooting against him. Instead, he goes to the
Patriots and it's bluffed. He looks like a savior. Justin
Fields the moment they we looked up at our television
(29:39):
screen and said, a trade is in and the Bears
are on the clock, and you're going, oh my god,
they're gonna get Justin Fields. And they get Justin Fields.
There is not a team in the league that's a
big market team that went into the draft with more negativity,
with more thoughts of we're kind of screwed. Our team
sucks to within one pick to go, we have hope.
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Another reality is in the Midwest, the Big Ten is king.
These Big ten schools, fifty sixty thousand people go to them.
I'm sure many people listening attended one of those universities
Wisconsin or not. Notre Dame's on the Big Ten, Michigan,
Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. These are enormous schools. Well,
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what's the biggest city in the Midwest, Chicago. This guy
is gonna have people pulling for him. And that hasn't
been the case with Trubisky because early on people realize,
oh my god, Mahomes and Watson are elite. Our guy sucks. Now,
Justin Fields may end up being bad, but everyone is
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going to support him. The first couple of years with
his ups and downs, he has everyone pulling for him.
And I'm not talking about the coaches in the front office,
because that's all Trubisky had. The fans gave up on him.
The fans have this guy's and there's something to be
said about the momentum of a player when they're drafted
pulling for them. I see that in my backyard with
Trey Lance. The forty nine ers overpaid to get up
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to three because they wanted to control the situation. I
never thought for a minute mac Jones would go there.
And some people have said that I'm telling you Kyle
would have picked them. Other people have said it was
a lie. I don't know, Kyle. I haven't asked him.
I don't know what to believe. Here's what I do know.
The information is in had they picked mac Jones at
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number three, it would have been the biggest overpay, arguably
in the history of America in any business. Because mac Jones,
I'd argue, was overdrafted at fifteen. But you can't trade
pick twelve, two other first round picks, and a third
round pick for mac Jones because we saw his value.
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And let's face it, Patriots, little desperate Cam Newton can
run the ball, can't really throw anymore. Thank god either
Kyle love Trey Lance, which he acted like he did
after Thursday Night, talked into it, whatever, but he took
a guy with the high ceiling now probably the riskiest
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pick in NFL history started one game. Small school team
traded the farm forum. But the team is well equipped
to kick ass and take names. They just drafted Trey Sermon.
As I've been recording this, they drafted a guard. They
already have Trent Williams. They have Deebo Samuel, they have
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Brandon at Youth, they have George Kittle, they have Raheim Mozart.
Their offense is pretty loaded. Here's another part of their team.
Because the Patriots took Mac Jones, Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't really
have anywhere to go. So Jimmy Garoppolo has no choice.
He just gets to kind of be the starter slash
compete with Trey Lance. But Jimmy Garoppolo has a lot
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on the line. He's twenty nine years old, he's not forty.
He potentially, if he acts like a good guy, help
starts and plays well, can have a long career as
a starting quarterback and make a lot of money. But
if he acts like an asshole and treats him poorly
when he's in no position to do that. It could
limit his chances. Jimmy's represented by Donnie, a tom Brady guy.
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Like they're typically pretty smart, high character. He knows what's
on the line. They kind of got Jimmy by the
balls in the sense of Jimmy's just gonna do what
they tell him to do. And right now he's technically
the starting quarterback, and ideally I think they would like
him to just play well and Trey Lance to back
him up. Personally, I would have an open competition because
the moment you draft a player, whether it's in the
second to seventh round or the first round, their clock starts.
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Now the great part about a first round picks you
have a fifth year option, which meaning times a little
bit on your side. But I would rather slowly integrate
Trey Lance. I went to cal Poly. We consider it
Harvard to the West Coast, even though it's not Hardard
to the West Ghost because guys like me could get in.
But they had a motto and I live by it
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to this day because I don't learn anything by just
reading a textbook. I never did, or sitting there watching
a teacher do PowerPoint presentations. It's like, hey, teacher, no
one's fucking watching you. Click this button and chain slide
to slide. We don't care. This doesn't This is not
how most of us learn. But that's another argument for
higher education another day. Our motto was learned by doing.
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We had a lot of labs. We did a lot
of like hands on projects. They were big on internships,
they were big on actually getting jobs for school credit. It.
It was big in my major, and as I've gotten
the last fifteen years of my adult life, whether it
was working in football, working in radio, now working in
the I introduced myself now. I used to say I
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was a podcaster. I introduced myself now with a straight face,
and I say, I'm a streamer. Say what do you
do for a living? I said, I'm a streamer. They
look at me like I'd probably make like five dollars,
little they know, but I say it with pride. I
used to be kind of insecure about it, like I'm
a podcaster. Now I don't even say that anymore. I
say I'm a streamer and I kind of smirk. And
but I've learned how to do all this stuff through
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trial and error. The reason Josh Allen was able to
kick ass and take names this year and lead the
team to the AFC Championship games because he had ups
and downs his first two years. Mahomes is an outlier.
I like my guy playing from the jump. Now, I
get it. If he's clearly not ready week one, I
understand because Jimmy's there. But you have to get this
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guy ready because this guy isn't just the future, but
he's also the present. Because his contract tells you that
is you don't have an unlimited amount of time, like
you really have to take advantage of these next three
or four years. And the way you take advantage of
his second and third year is him being ready because
he played his first year. And I get it. The
Niners think they're, you know, one of the best teams
(35:55):
in the NFC, and roster wise, if their quarterback plays well,
they definitely are. But I could live with some ups
and downs with a rookie quarterback knowing it's going to
benefit me in two years more than like trying to
win a playoff game this year. Would Jimmy Garoppolo. Now,
you could argue if Jimmy Garoppolo were to win a
playoff game, his value goes up and you can flip them. So,
I mean, there are two sides of this argument. It's
(36:16):
a fascinating story where I don't think there's really any
Trevor Lawrence the starter day one. Zach Wilson's the starter
Day one. I would make Justin Fields a starter day one.
I know Bill Belichick said Cam Newton's the starter. I'm
gonna call bullshit. I would expect Mac Jones to be
the starter Week one. Trey Lance a little more complicated,
but I lean just make him the starter. I really
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through the seventh rounds, they're gonna be a ton of players.
Go I say the same thing every year. I don't
put that much stock into anyone that's drafted on the
third day, because you can get drafted in the fourth round.
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And I've been lucky enough to go to these practices
for a decade, and you realize within a couple of practices,
whether you work for a team or whether I'm just
on the sideline watching and you go, God, who's that guy,
and they're like, Oh, that's one of our undrafted free agents.
And the thing with football, it's the greatest competition meritocracy
probably in America that you get. Some of these guys
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show up, they're immediately making you know, they signed a
thirty five million dollar contract with their first rounder. Other
guys show up, they get a five thousand dollar bonus.
Some undrafted free agents don't even get a bonus. But
let's say five ten thousand dollars, that's all the money
they get guaranteed, ten thousand dollars. And within a week,
the head coach the general manager goes, holy shit, is
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this guy gonna be a starter for us? That's how
fast it happens. And there's no league like it. Right baseball,
you got to work your way through the minors, and
obviously anyone that's ever known in any minor league baseball
player will tell you. I mean the hierarchy that goes there.
I mean it's big, And I'm not saying there's not
a hierarchy in the NFL. Right, first round picks are
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gonna get more reps than the undrafted free agent. But
the undrafted free agent one can't just make the team,
or can't just make the team. He could start. It
happens every year. Same with a sixth round pick and
beat out a third round pick, a seventh round pick
and beat out a second round pick. Now, the seventh
round pick could get cut if he sucks. Second round
pick can't. But that guy can start, and that guy
can play. And it happens every year. Another thing that
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I talked to a buddy about a couple of days ago,
and I've been thinking about for a while is when
I got in the NFL in twenty ten, and historically
it was always like this. If you were a quote
unquote weed guy, you smoked weed, it was a huge negative.
People looked at you like you were a bad guy. Hell,
(40:13):
I know my parents are older, right. My dad's gone,
but he would be in his late seventies. My mom's
seventy two, seventy three, years old. When I was growing up,
they thought weed was like crack cocaine. They thought if
I smoked weed, I would, you know, go to jail.
I'd lose my ambition and I'd be a loser. I
smoked a little weed in high school. The problem is
I didn't really like it back then. I couldn't control
(40:35):
my mind and I freaked out. In the last three
or four years, I've been in business with weed companies
and I got back into it the edibles, and I've
been just much better control of my mind. I love
it helps me sleep. It's made me much more creative.
It's led to a lot of topics I've done over
the years on this podcast. It's really helped me in
(40:57):
the business I'm in. Think of different topics, think of
different angles. I am way more creative on it personally.
And I've been drinking for twenty plus years and I've
never drank less than I have the last three or
four years. I hate being hung over. But here's one
thing I know and I don't. I'm not against drinking.
I love to drink, it's fun. I just hate being
(41:17):
hung over drinking. Having been a guy that's drank for
a long time, and someone who's smoked and taking edibles
now for a long period of time, drinking is infinitely
worse for you. But if you're in a draft room
and I tell you, you you know, this guy parties a
couple times a week, it's like, oh, he's just out
with the boys, shot gunning some beers, taking some shots,
chasing some ladies. It's applotted. Yet in these draft rooms.
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I had a friend tell me that he's like, you know,
we had these draft meetings and these guys are crushing
these guys for getting high and playing video games or
getting high and hanging out their buddies. I'm like, you're
fucking morons. They're harmless. And I think people that have
changed their thought process is realizing because I heard of
a prominent player in this draft. One of the knocks
on him was he liked to get he liked to
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get baked, he liked to smoke a little weed and
play video games. People like, loser, what's he doing. It's like, guys,
this isn't like nineteen seventy eight. And really the reason weed,
I think my parents thought that was because big tobacco,
which clearly cigarettes are way worse for you than smoking
(42:24):
a joint. Now, I don't smoke weed because I'm scared
to like burn my lungs, because really the only thing
I can productively do is talk, and if I ever
couldn't talk, I'd have a problem putting a roof over
my head. So I'd just take edibles. But I know
a lot of people are smoking. They're fine. It's like
one thing I know about alcohol. Within a couple months ago,
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I lost a friend, a guy I grew up with,
one of my best friends in elementary school, in junior high,
in high school, we went to college together. He had
a pretty big drinking problem. I don't know anyone, and
I've known a lot of people who have smoked a
lot of weed. And where I was from, maybe I
was around it early around just drugs in general. It
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wasn't like junior high people that aren't smoking weed. I'm
thirty six years old. For well over twenty years, never
had an issue, not one. So I think these teams
that have changed their philosophy on like, there are players
on every team in the NFL, star players that get
high all the time. You know, the NBA is full
(43:27):
of potheads. The best players in the league, several of
them We have a running joke in the Bay Area
about Clay Thompson. No one cares. It's not that big
a deal. Do you know what I'd rather have my
star player doing in twenty twenty one getting high than
have a drinking problem. And that is a theme right now.
And we talked about it a little while ago, within
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the last couple of months, about this draft, about guys
that played video games, like that's a big thing. I mean,
I remember when I first got to the league, and
we always read about when we were a kid, guys
that are like guys like to party, guys like to
go to club, and guys like to do recreational drugs
like cocaine, right, And He's like, you gotta be careful
with those guys. And I think that that human because
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the way society's changing, the way these kids are growing up,
they're more likely to play a video game to connect
with their friends on the internet. I'm talking about star
college football players then go to a club like the
guys twenty thirty years ago do blow and drink. That's
just the reality of the society that we're living in
(44:30):
with technology, And honestly, I say that's a good thing.
And I heard about a star player in this draft
who I wouldn't say fell, but went a little lower
than he stood. One of the knocks about him was like,
you know, he just gets high too much. It's like,
what have you watched him play? He's like, yeah, he
kicks ass. It's like, you guys, man have an anequated
(44:50):
thought process. Here. My dad would rolling his roll over
in his grave. You heard me talking like this around
marijuana because I've been around that generation. They thought it
was meth, like, they thought it was a hardcore drug.
It's just it's just not you know, it really isn't.
And I'm someone who was very anti marijuana for probably
(45:12):
most of my twenties because it used to make me
feel really weird, and it turns out it is really
I just couldn't really control my I was immature with
my mind. Now everyone's different. I'm not saying like everyone
should smoke marijuana or take edibles or drinking, like everyone
should do what they want to do. But my overall
point is we need to be careful with the way
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we say, like being a quote unquote weed guy in college,
do you know what that is? That's the norm? Do
you know what used to be the norm in like
two thousand and five or ninety five or two thousand
guy drinking. Most guys drank, and I bet most guys
still drink, right, I'm sure if you're listening, you drink.
I'm literally have a glass of wine in my hand
(45:54):
right now. I'm not a big wine guy. But I
just had this new sponsor in my other podcast and
it's actually pretty good. I'm not gonna lie so well.
My point is just overall, the teams that are just
get ahead of this stuff make better decisions, and they
don't pass on a guy. It's one thing to pass
on a guy in this draft, and the thing you
(46:16):
realize I'm out of the loop now. Like going into
the draft, I don't know stories about every player, but
when a guy gets drafted, especially on teams that I'm
interested in, I'll text my friends, an executive, a college director,
and I'll go, what's his deal? And he'll go, you know,
he fell because he had an issue in college, something
(46:37):
that's pretty shady, something with a girlfriend. And he'd be like, whoa.
But then you hear you know, and we thought, you know,
he might have a weed problem, and he'd be like, huh, seriously,
like that's your issue with him, Like, come on, guys,
get with the times. There's a big difference between and
I'd say, and honestly this is gonna sound crazy, but
I would imagine fifteen years ago, domestic violence and being
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a guy that's OK weed would both have been equaled.
Demerits would have both and some teams got you pulled
off the board. Think about that now. Luckily, I think
some of these forward thinking coaches, some of these open
minded coaches, some of these coaches I don't know that
are just locked into the way society is. Don't think
like that anymore. But you'd be nuts if you didn't
(47:19):
believe that. Some of these old school scouts, old school
coaches and old school gms, I imagine how you know,
most of the owners dabble, but still factor that in.
And it's the reason sometimes you look up, you go,
why is this guy falling? Why is this guy not falling?
Sometimes it's information that teams only have good or bad.
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But I think you'd be surprised, which with how much
marijuana still factors, in which to me is just insanity.
Have a great weekend. The draft. I just looked up
it's I guess officially over for the night, so we're
on to the fourth round. By the time you're listening
to us, you know they'll probably be looking at a
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Back at it again on a Saturday, well a weekend,
Happy Saturday, Happy draft. As I'm recording this, it's the
middle of the third round. Um, the Vikings pick seventy eight,
so we're just rocking and rolling. I wanted to wait
till the weekend just to see if something crazy happened. Obviously,
the Rogers thing is what I'm gonna start with, and
(01:05):
then just some of the main points. I'm mainly gonna stick. Listen,
I play the hits. We're gonna talk about the first round.
Some things that stood out to me and some funny
things and yeah, the quarterbacks, and we'll dive into a
little bit the Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff my Instagram handle.
I'm probably gonna do that on a weekend, which would
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probably be there Saturday or Sunday. I'm recording this on Friday,
so someday this weekend I'm gonna throw a bunt. I
have so many direct messages aka dms, and I just
I want to do a football podcast, and I'll save
some of the dms also for Tuesday's pod. But I
want to make this just kind of a heavy hitter.
What was going on in the last twenty four forty
eight hours, and we'll do with that. If you listen
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It helps with business. I want to start with Aaron Rod,
biggest story in America right, absolute bombshell. He wants to
get traded, slash, He's never gonna play for the Packers again.
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A lot happened on Thursday. We were all swimming. Help me,
you know. Obviously I covered the forty nine ers really closely.
It was like at the forty nine Ers gonna trade
for Aaron Rodgers. A lot happened as I'm recording this
right now. He's still on the Packers, but I think
we need to rewind and listen full disclosure, candid about it.
I was open about it a year ago. I thought
(02:29):
they did the right thing when they took Jordan Love.
They made a calculated, educated guess that Aaron Rodgers' career
was trending down. You know why their first year Gudakins
on the floor as the head coach and the general manager.
It didn't go well. So they thought big picture and
they drafted Jordan Love at the end of the first round.
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Here's the problem. Sometimes when you make a decision, it
does not have the desired outcome. A lot of people
get married, guess why. A lot of people get divorces.
A lot of people go to work at companies because
they think they're gonna move their way up and make
a lot of money, and they get stuck and they're
not able to move up. We all make decisions, at
(03:13):
least the most of us, right, with the best intentions
possible and the information. I would say, any good decision
maker with the best information you know that's available to them,
and most people in a company in the NFL, in
a household are just giving suggestions. There's really only one
(03:34):
decision maker. When I grew up, it was my mom
or dad, right, Ultimately, it was their decision. If you
have kids, it's you, it's not them. They tell you
what they want to do. You're in control. When you
work at a company, you give suggestions, it's ultimately the
boss or the owner's decision. All these kids that have
been drafted tonight, you know, the team is drafting them
(03:55):
in hopes they're gonna be a good fucking player, Pro
Bowls starters, second contract guys. They don't know. They're just
taking the information in hand and they're making educated decisions
because we all want an outcome that we really kind
of can't control. But a lot of stuff in life
is out of control. We're kind of hoping for. We
know where we wanted to go, but we don't know
(04:17):
if we're gonna get there. And I think most people
make the decisions with I mean, I think, you know,
I guess there are some you know, bad people, but
most goodhearted people make the decision that they think is best.
If they run a company for the company, if they
run an NFL team for the team. What does Belichick
always say, I'm gonna do the best thing in the
interest of the team. I don't think he's lying. Doesn't
(04:39):
mean everything always works out. They saw Aaron Rodgers didn't
go well. They took Jordan Love. Here's a simple reality.
It backfired in their face. Rogers was pissed off. Don't
totally blame him, even though at the time he was
coming off a season where I don't want to say
he looked washed, but he looked like his arrow was
(05:00):
pointing down. Then he comes back and he wins the MVP.
He carries the team I don't know to the NFC
Championship where they hosted the game at home, and he
was the best player in the league. It's not even
arguable he was better start to finish than Patrick Mahomes,
who might be the best quote unquote player in the league.
But last year Rogers individually was the best player in
(05:20):
the league. And here's what Rogers does really well. And
I told Colin this on his podcast. He had a quote,
It's crazy when you read a book or you read
an article that really you remember if it's really good,
you don't remember the whole thing. At least I don't.
Maybe it's my limited intellectual capacity, but I'll never forget this,
and it's kind of crazy. I you know, I do
this podcast for Colin. I once was reading his book
(05:43):
just because I was a fan of his work, and
he in his first book. It's really the it's only
count I think he wrote two books. I only read
the first one, but he had a great line. I
remember writing it down. I didn't even need to. It's
stuck in my head forever. Then, holding a grudge is
like chain smoking hate, and I've never forgot that because
I'm petty and I can hold grudges. I still do
(06:04):
to this day, even though I've tried, quote unquote, as
I've matured again that's in quotations. You could say I'm
not that mature, but I'm definitely more mature than I
was four or five years ago that I try not
to hold grudges because I do think he was onto something.
It's like holding hate inside your body and the majority
of humans and I fall in this category struggle the
(06:26):
function when the grudge is at the top of my mind.
I think as I've aged, I've been able to kind
of compartmentalize a grudge. I still like a little grudge.
You know, when someone I think kind of fucks me,
it's hard for me to forget. But I used to
definitely in my late twenties and early thirties. And again,
you're talking about a guy who got fired in the NFL,
who had a rough breakup in radio that it was
(06:48):
just really angry, But it really both times the best
thing that ever happened to me. And as time goes on,
you just you kind of let it go. But early
on I would have been way more productive and probably
Wade made more money fatter if I would have flown
to the side, because I'm not great at compartmentalizing anger. Clearly, Rogers,
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who's like a year older than me. Yeah, I'll be
thirty seven this year, he'll be thirty eight, So yeah,
he's a year older than me, a class older than
me in high school, I think, and he's talked about this,
got very very good at compartmentalizing his emotions because he's
always been known as a petty guy, right, And I
think a lot of people aren't. I don't think he's
alone by any means. Most people are definitely not as
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talented at what they do as aaron, and this year
he was laser focused. He embraced the offense, and he
eviscerated the NFL, absolutely destroyed them, basically took the uh
you know, gasoline, poured it all over everyone. He played
and lit the match up until the last game when
he was he was you know, it was his best
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game of the season. But I'm not putting that whole
game on Rogers. But they lost in the NFC Championship game.
One thing was clear with some of his comments after
the season to McAfee and then what happened this week.
He never forgot. He just put it to the side.
But like any true grudgeholder, he never let it go.
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He didn't, you know, wrap it up and throw it
in the trash. He was pissed off, and in fairness
to him, all the Fenn Rogers here, their decision to
him was a major refe and it failed. It backfired
because it pissed him off. Slash makes him hate them
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and they have a problem on their hands now, and
it's easy to say, well, just suck it up and
come back together. Look at the Seattle Seahawks. I was
just talking to Coward about this. They go acquire a
tight end this offseason, they go acquire a new offensive coordinator.
They go inquire a new offensive lineman, Gabe Jackson, they
bring back Chris Carson. They do a good job of
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just simmering the fire around Russell Wilson. The Packers kind
of do the opposite for the ninth time in ten years,
they take a defensive player in the first round. Now,
I always defend teams that win consistently because drafting in
the late twenties is difficult. Khalil Max and Julio Joneses
and JJ Watts aren't just sitting there when you're picking
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at twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty. But that was basically like, yeah,
we're just gonna do what we do. We don't really
care about Aaron's feelings. And it's twenty twenty one, it's
not nineteen ninety six. Aaron not only is your franchise,
he prints money for your franchise. The problem with their
franchise though, there's not an individual who understands how much
money Aaron's making them because the an owner does not exist.
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So there is like this disconnect between a money guy
that Aaron could go do and be like what the
fuck are we doing that. They have a team president
who's an employee, and they have a GM. They're a
front office run operation. I think they're in a tough
spot now. I also think it's easy for anyone to
say I'm out, I'm not coming back. Aaron makes thirty
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five thirty seven million dollars a year last time I checked,
that's about two million dollars a game. That's a lot
of coin. Is he gonna sit out games? I doubt it.
But if he's true and goes, listen, guys, I'm never
playing for you again. Trade me. And in modern day times,
that has more juice than it did in the Al
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Davis heyday, back when Bill Parcels was coaching. Those days
are kind of over. Even in the NFL, it takes
a rare guy. Most players you say, shut up, we
don't care. He's the best player in the league. When
he says that, it actually batters. And listen. They created this,
They made a decision. I've been to several weddings. People
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are happy. Some of those people still happily married, several kids.
Some of those weddings, I'm only in my mid thirty
so you do the math. Some of these people aren't
that old. Got divorced and got divorced fast. No one
gets married thinking they're gonna get a divorce. They made
the move thinking Rogers was trending the wrong way. He wasn't.
He fired back and played arguably his best season in
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five years. So now they got a problem on their
hands if they are going to trade him. One destination
makes a lot of sense. The Las Vegas Raiders, which
a team that he literally put on the list of
teams he would go to. I would have listened. I
understand that the Niners were arrival. If you love Trey Lance,
I don't know if they did. It doesn't get any
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better than the third overall pick and replace him with
a quarterback. Because here's what you can't do. You can't
trade him the Denver Broncos for three first rounders in
a second round pick. Not get a quarterback back and
roll with Jordan Love. Because if Jordan Love sucks, and
last year he definitely sucked, you get fired and you
never become a GM and you never become a head
coach in the NFL again. So I do think this situation. Ideally,
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you want him back on your team. Obviously, I mean
that's not preaching the choir here. That's what you want,
that's a desire outcome. But if he truly makes us think,
I do believe he has the jews to force his
way out. And I only think there's one destination that
makes any sense. That's the Packers. You get back a
quarterback who you could immediately be competitive with, make the
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playoffs next year. Derek Carr his teammate Davante Adams from college,
their buddies. Here would be one fixable thing. And I
told Coward this on his podcast. I said, listen, you
want to make good something in my business. When you
mess up an ad read and the company's like, you know,
you screwed up the ad read or you forgot to
read the ad, we need to make good. I imagine
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anyone listening, depending on what your industry is, probably pretty normal.
Someone screws up and we paid for it. You need
to make good on that. Here's a way to make
good on Aaron Rodgers and listen, I'm not a salary
cap expert. They would need to figure out some things.
Go trade for Julio Jones. Go hey, listen, Aaron, We're
sorry we messed up the Jordan Love trade. We'll trade
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Jordan Love, get rid of Jordan Love. If that's what
it takes. Go get Julio Jones and then you got
DeVante and then you got Julio. Because here's what we know.
It's laughablelded When people are like, you know, he'll retire,
he'll go host Jeopardy. No he won't. He's the MVP
of the league. He wants to play football. The question
is does he ever want to look at Mark Murphy
and Brian Goodkins in the face again because they took
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Jordan Love. Put yourself in that situation. Even if you
had a down year, You literally carried the franchise for
a year, multiple MVPs before last year, won a Super
Bowl helped. I mean, clearly Rogers Stott McCarthy was a
village idiot, whether that's true or not. Like you'd say
based on last year Aaron Rodgers case, it looks pretty good.
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Looks like I would lean he was onto something you
either gotta make good or like understand like he's kind
of right on this. You made a decision, and that's
what gms are paid to do. Not all decisions are easy,
and most of them, or at least probably half of
them when it comes to the draft do not work.
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It's one thing, though, when you pick a player who
can't play, whatever you move on, you go find someone
that can through a trade, through the waiver wire, through whatever,
free agency. It's another thing to pick a player to
replace another player who happens to be the MVP of
the league, who happens to be a guy who needed
more help a team that was right there on the cusp.
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Gudikins blew it. So when I read like, you know
this is a tough spot for Gudikins, Yes, one that's
self inflicted. He created this fire. There is no way
around it. Now. I've said before, I'm not trying to
like create new narratives or new angles because I've said before,
do they get some credit from motivating Aaron? And the
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more I've thought about it, maybe a little. But Aaron's
been great before, Like Aaron's just I don't know an
elite player. So they made a move, a bold move.
It blew up in their face, and I was them.
I would work day and night to fix this thing.
I'd be kissing his ass, I'd fly out to see him.
I'd trade for Julio Jones I'd do whatever's necessary. But
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if I do get to a point and he's got
the juice to make it, this is never the genie's
never going back into the bottle. It's over to me.
The Raiders are the only team that could keep these
guys head above water and keep their jobs for the
foreseeable future because they get a quarterback back under contract
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my thoughts on the first round, I have to read
this quote because it's one of the most incredible things
I've ever seen. And I love Dan Campbell. I've been
a big Dan Campbell fan from an entertainment standpoint. Douce Staley,
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I consider Deuce a friend. He's on the staff and
I love Due Staley. I'm rooting for the Lions. The
Lions drafted a pass rusher Levi owned Zoriki from Washington.
He opted out this year, didn't play. I think the
Niners were going to draft him. The Lions traded up
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to get ahead of them and take him. Here was
his quotes after he got picked and went on with
the Detroit media If this doesn't sum up the Detroit
Lions and the Dan Campbell operation, I don't know what
does quote. I like fucking people up. I like to
get off the line and just put my helmet or
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my hands on an offensive lineman and fuck up an
offensive scheme pretty much. I like pushing them back two
or three yards and just making them feel like shit.
End of quote. This is a great tweet. Chris, who
tweeted this out the press conference was like a Scorsese film.
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Goodness like that. I love everything about Dan Campbell. I
love this kid. That's awesome. I don't know much about
that player. A lot of Pac twelve players, Pine Swell,
that guy, the Oregon safety. A lot of guys that
got drafted in the top like fifty picks did not
play this year. But I want to start. We'll get
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into the quarterbacks here in a second, but just some
picks that stood out to me. Listen. I love wide receivers,
I love running backs. I like offense. I consider myself
an offensive guy. I don't know that much about defense
even I mean, if you just put me on the whiteboard,
wad I don't. I'm not a defensive guy. I can
evaluate defensive linemen, linebackers, and definitely dbs or not my
strong suit. I lean offense. In my career in the
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league and definitely in college two offensive coaches, our best
players were always on offense. I feel very, very comfortable
evaluating talking about being around offensive people. So I like
wide receivers, but I fundamentally don't believe when you get
a sweet quarterback and draft a guy like a Joe Burrow,
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like I mean, I don't know if two a sweet,
but you drafted him really high. You have to protect
him and in the draft you have to have a hierarchy.
Offensive linemen are more important than wide receivers. Why I
can get wide receivers in the second and third round.
And I understand that TWA played with Jalen Waddle. Guess
what I love Jalen Waddle. I understand that Joe Burrow
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played with Jamar Chase. Guess what I love Jamar Chase.
I like both those players. I would take him on
my team yesterday. Those guys are badasses. But I would
take an offensive lineman pinay Sewell over both those guys,
and both teams passed on them. I disagree fundamentally with
that philosophy. Joe Burrow was out for the season last
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year because they could not block. Well, you got Jonah
Williams coming back. Your draft Pinay Seul, all of a sudden,
you're cooking with gas. We're going the Miami Dolphins. You
get Penney Sewel. You got Austin Jackson, you got two tackles.
I understand, Like, I get it. I want wide receivers,
but you gotta get the guy helped first. I remember
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when I was doing stuff with the Raiders. They drafted
Amari Cooper the year after they drafted Derek Carr, but
they already had Gabe Jackson, Donald Penn and Rodney Hudson,
like they had a core group of offensive linemen already
on the team. I like building in the trenches early
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in the draft. I didn't like those picks, not because
I didn't like the player. I just was like, uh,
I don't know, here's another thing that really stands out.
And I don't necessarily totally blame them this year, but
it's happened now like twice in four or five years.
Why do we always know who the New York Giants
are gonna take? We always know the Eagles jumped them,
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and maybe it was clear. Maybe it's maybe I'm being unfair,
but Howary Roseman flips with the Cowboys to get Davante
Smith because he knew the Giants were gonna take him.
The Giants do a poor job just in general of
keeping it close to the vest who they're gonna draft.
I just didn't quite get that one. And I gotta
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give the Cowboys a lot of credit. They trade back
with the Eagles because guess what, there, it's not like,
you know, we don't want to play Davante Smith. Davante
was either going to the Eagles or he was going
to the Giants. The Cowboys are going to play him
twice a year, so they said, ship, we might as
well take the extra third round pick and draft the
same guy that we would take anyway. Then turns out,
obviously the Giants moved back with the deal with the
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with the Bears. But I like like back to Dan Campbell,
like their excitement when they took Penney Seul because they're
just trying to build in the trenches because that's the
one place where you can still be really physical. I
love it. I like the running backs going twenty four
and twenty five Naji is a Bawler. Travis etn Bawler
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don't love Urban Meyer, you know, dropping he's a third
down back. No, Urban, he's your starting running back. And
the rookie they have last year is good. But as
someone in the league told me, they're like, you know,
Urban's either gonna be two things. The Jags are hoping
he's going to be Jimmy Johnson. He might be Butch
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Davis now, Butch Davis won pretty big in college. I
don't think Urban's gonna be Butch Davis, but I don't know.
Comments like that, like is he gonna be Jimmy Johnson,
I don't know. And I like their first two picks. Hell,
I like the third pick. They've got the corner they
took from Georgia. So I just to me, value of
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value value is key. Like certain and JC Horn, those
guys are plug in play starters a premium position Draft
eight and nine, Like those two picks for the Panthers
and the Broncos. That's not out thinking the room, but
taking wide receivers when stud tackles are on the board.
Look what happened a couple of picks later. What do
the Chargers do where Shawn Slater ship, We'll take him.
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What are the Jets do they trade up for Tucker
from USC? I like taking offensive lineman really high because
history would say I can get badass wide receivers in
the second and third round. So I just didn't love
those picks. And let's talk about the quarterbacks. We've talked him,
you know, forever about Trevor Lawrence. He's a big time talent.
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It's gonna be on Urban Meyer and the coaching staff.
He to me, is gonna be good enough. It's gonna
be whether they can surround him. They already got etn
they got some wide receivers. They should be pretty pretty
talented on offense. I actually had a buddy in the
league text me just impromptly, like, you know, looking at
the Jack's roster, I can see them winning six or
seven games. They have a lot more talent on the team.
Obviously starts with the quarterback. But to me, the coach,
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we'll see, I mean the jury, he's gonna be out.
We're all gonna be watching it pretty closely. It's a
fascinating watch. Two guys I got red flag though, are
Zach Wilson. I think it's gonna be difficult. I really do.
Their team is not very good. It's just not. They
signed Corey Davis, they don't have a running back. They drafted,
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you know what, they drafted a wide receiver last year
high in the second round. But you know this guy's
coming from BYU, New York City. The pressure, I just
think it's gonna be really, really difficult. First time a
head coach, first time coordinator on defense and on offense.
Laflour's brother has never called plays obviously, he's worked with
Kyle forever. So the pressure is just it's New York.
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It's angry, It's just it's gonna be intense. Here's the
other elephant in the room. I think sam Donold's gonna
be pretty good in Carolina, so part of Zach Wilson.
The reason you're there is because they traded sam Donold,
who they drafted number three overall. So if he's playing
well and Wilson's struggling, it just would be difficult. I
think Mac Jones. Everyone just assumes Mac Jones is gonna
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be good. First and foremost, Mac Jones didn't fall. I
actually think he got drafted relatively high fifteen from Mac
fucking Jones and I'm not at Mac Jones hater. I'd
say historically mac Jones goes in the second round, like
pick forty five fifteen's pretty high. And I love Belichick.
I think he's the greatest coach of all time. But
let's not act like he's some great drafter recently. Could
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Mac Jones be good in New England? Sure? Could? He
also struggle one hundred percent. Sean McDermott is a big
time defensive coach, so is Brian Flores. Do you know
what New England is that Alabama is not? Cold? Snows, rain, sleets.
Mac Jones not used to that weather. I don't know
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how he's gonna play in November and December. It's tough.
The pressure also of playing for Bill Belichick. Now I
get he played for Saban. This is a different level.
It just is he doesn't have Jalen Waddle, he doesn't
have DeVante Smith. Nag Harris ain't walking through that door.
And I know they signed a couple tight ends, and
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they signed Kendrick Bourne and they signed Nelson Agilar. I
don't love Nelson Agilar in that weather. That's going to
be a challenge to justin fields. The value for justin Fields,
the guy almost six feet four inches tall who ran
off in the four fours with a big time arm.
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In the history of the draft Hight productions, there never
been in trouble off the field. That guy usually goes
in the top five. So for the Bears to get
him at eleven, that's highway robbery. I was texting with Naggie.
He's so fired up, like just the value there that
just fell in his lap. That's crazy. Now, I don't
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know if it's gonna work or not, but that talent.
You could combine Trisk, Trubisky, you could combine Dalton, you
could throw in Foals, and I know Foals accomplished a
lot those three buying their talent. They don't equal Fields. Now,
talent doesn't equal success in the NFL at quarterback, but
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it's hard to just find these type talents who also
produced in college. So for the Bears to just be
there at twenty and all of a sudden, this kid
starts falling down and they're able to get up to eleven.
Ryan pay should go to church this Sunday and say
some say some thanks. I'm not even a religious guy.
I don't even know what you say. But you hit
your knees, you look up, you look up top, and
you go, how did this happen to me? We end
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up with Justin Fields because we were about to go
into the season with Andy Freakin Dalton. Like it's like,
maybe Andy Dalton starts. I heard someone say, like maybe
he could be the Alex Smith. Alex Smith Andy Dalton. One,
he's not as good as Alex Smith. Two, Justin Fields
should start day one out Andy Dalton. You're the backup buddy,
and enjoy being a ten million dollars backup. There's nothing
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wrong with that. But Justin Fields should start day one,
and it's if he's good, he could save really their jobs.
Here's the other thing. An underrated part about getting drafted
is where your narrative starts with the fans in the media,
especially in a big city. It's like if mac Jones,
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I'll get to the Niners. Here in a second, had
come to the Niners, it would have been very, very
negative from the jump in a weird way. People would
have been rooting against him. Instead, he goes to the
Patriots and it's bluffed. He looks like a savior. Justin
Fields the moment they we looked up at our television
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screen and said, a trade is in and the Bears
are on the clock, and you're going, oh my god,
they're gonna get Justin Fields. And they get Justin Fields.
There is not a team in the league that's a
big market team that went into the draft with more negativity,
with more thoughts of we're kind of screwed. Our team
sucks to within one pick to go, we have hope.
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Another reality is in the Midwest, the Big Ten is king.
These Big ten schools, fifty sixty thousand people go to them.
I'm sure many people listening attended one of those universities
Wisconsin or not. Notre Dame's on the Big Ten, Michigan,
Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. These are enormous schools. Well,
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what's the biggest city in the Midwest, Chicago. This guy
is gonna have people pulling for him. And that hasn't
been the case with Trubisky because early on people realize,
oh my god, Mahomes and Watson are elite. Our guy sucks. Now,
Justin Fields may end up being bad, but everyone is
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going to support him. The first couple of years with
his ups and downs, he has everyone pulling for him.
And I'm not talking about the coaches in the front office,
because that's all Trubisky had. The fans gave up on him.
The fans have this guy's and there's something to be
said about the momentum of a player when they're drafted
pulling for them. I see that in my backyard with
Trey Lance. The forty nine ers overpaid to get up
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to three because they wanted to control the situation. I
never thought for a minute mac Jones would go there.
And some people have said that I'm telling you Kyle
would have picked them. Other people have said it was
a lie. I don't know, Kyle. I haven't asked him.
I don't know what to believe. Here's what I do know.
The information is in had they picked mac Jones at
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number three, it would have been the biggest overpay, arguably
in the history of America in any business. Because mac Jones,
I'd argue, was overdrafted at fifteen. But you can't trade
pick twelve, two other first round picks, and a third
round pick for mac Jones because we saw his value.
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And let's face it, Patriots, little desperate Cam Newton can
run the ball, can't really throw anymore. Thank god either
Kyle love Trey Lance, which he acted like he did
after Thursday Night, talked into it, whatever, but he took
a guy with the high ceiling now probably the riskiest
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pick in NFL history started one game. Small school team
traded the farm forum. But the team is well equipped
to kick ass and take names. They just drafted Trey Sermon.
As I've been recording this, they drafted a guard. They
already have Trent Williams. They have Deebo Samuel, they have
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Brandon at Youth, they have George Kittle, they have Raheim Mozart.
Their offense is pretty loaded. Here's another part of their team.
Because the Patriots took Mac Jones, Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't really
have anywhere to go. So Jimmy Garoppolo has no choice.
He just gets to kind of be the starter slash
compete with Trey Lance. But Jimmy Garoppolo has a lot
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on the line. He's twenty nine years old, he's not forty.
He potentially, if he acts like a good guy, help
starts and plays well, can have a long career as
a starting quarterback and make a lot of money. But
if he acts like an asshole and treats him poorly
when he's in no position to do that. It could
limit his chances. Jimmy's represented by Donnie, a tom Brady guy.
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Like they're typically pretty smart, high character. He knows what's
on the line. They kind of got Jimmy by the
balls in the sense of Jimmy's just gonna do what
they tell him to do. And right now he's technically
the starting quarterback, and ideally I think they would like
him to just play well and Trey Lance to back
him up. Personally, I would have an open competition because
the moment you draft a player, whether it's in the
second to seventh round or the first round, their clock starts.
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Now the great part about a first round picks you
have a fifth year option, which meaning times a little
bit on your side. But I would rather slowly integrate
Trey Lance. I went to cal Poly. We consider it
Harvard to the West Coast, even though it's not Hardard
to the West Ghost because guys like me could get in.
But they had a motto and I live by it
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to this day because I don't learn anything by just
reading a textbook. I never did, or sitting there watching
a teacher do PowerPoint presentations. It's like, hey, teacher, no
one's fucking watching you. Click this button and chain slide
to slide. We don't care. This doesn't This is not
how most of us learn. But that's another argument for
higher education another day. Our motto was learned by doing.
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We had a lot of labs. We did a lot
of like hands on projects. They were big on internships,
they were big on actually getting jobs for school credit. It.
It was big in my major, and as I've gotten
the last fifteen years of my adult life, whether it
was working in football, working in radio, now working in
the I introduced myself now. I used to say I
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was a podcaster. I introduced myself now with a straight face,
and I say, I'm a streamer. Say what do you
do for a living? I said, I'm a streamer. They
look at me like I'd probably make like five dollars,
little they know, but I say it with pride. I
used to be kind of insecure about it, like I'm
a podcaster. Now I don't even say that anymore. I
say I'm a streamer and I kind of smirk. And
but I've learned how to do all this stuff through
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trial and error. The reason Josh Allen was able to
kick ass and take names this year and lead the
team to the AFC Championship games because he had ups
and downs his first two years. Mahomes is an outlier.
I like my guy playing from the jump. Now, I
get it. If he's clearly not ready week one, I
understand because Jimmy's there. But you have to get this
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guy ready because this guy isn't just the future, but
he's also the present. Because his contract tells you that
is you don't have an unlimited amount of time, like
you really have to take advantage of these next three
or four years. And the way you take advantage of
his second and third year is him being ready because
he played his first year. And I get it. The
Niners think they're, you know, one of the best teams
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in the NFC, and roster wise, if their quarterback plays well,
they definitely are. But I could live with some ups
and downs with a rookie quarterback knowing it's going to
benefit me in two years more than like trying to
win a playoff game this year. Would Jimmy Garoppolo. Now,
you could argue if Jimmy Garoppolo were to win a
playoff game, his value goes up and you can flip them. So,
I mean, there are two sides of this argument. It's
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a fascinating story where I don't think there's really any
Trevor Lawrence the starter day one. Zach Wilson's the starter
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through the seventh rounds, they're gonna be a ton of players.
Go I say the same thing every year. I don't
put that much stock into anyone that's drafted on the
third day, because you can get drafted in the fourth round.
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And I've been lucky enough to go to these practices
for a decade, and you realize within a couple of practices,
whether you work for a team or whether I'm just
on the sideline watching and you go, God, who's that guy,
and they're like, Oh, that's one of our undrafted free agents.
And the thing with football, it's the greatest competition meritocracy
probably in America that you get. Some of these guys
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show up, they're immediately making you know, they signed a
thirty five million dollar contract with their first rounder. Other
guys show up, they get a five thousand dollar bonus.
Some undrafted free agents don't even get a bonus. But
let's say five ten thousand dollars, that's all the money
they get guaranteed, ten thousand dollars. And within a week,
the head coach the general manager goes, holy shit, is
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this guy gonna be a starter for us? That's how
fast it happens. And there's no league like it. Right baseball,
you got to work your way through the minors, and
obviously anyone that's ever known in any minor league baseball
player will tell you. I mean the hierarchy that goes there.
I mean it's big, And I'm not saying there's not
a hierarchy in the NFL. Right, first round picks are
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gonna get more reps than the undrafted free agent. But
the undrafted free agent one can't just make the team,
or can't just make the team. He could start. It
happens every year. Same with a sixth round pick and
beat out a third round pick, a seventh round pick
and beat out a second round pick. Now, the seventh
round pick could get cut if he sucks. Second round
pick can't. But that guy can start, and that guy
can play. And it happens every year. Another thing that
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I talked to a buddy about a couple of days ago,
and I've been thinking about for a while is when
I got in the NFL in twenty ten, and historically
it was always like this. If you were a quote
unquote weed guy, you smoked weed, it was a huge negative.
People looked at you like you were a bad guy. Hell,
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I know my parents are older, right. My dad's gone,
but he would be in his late seventies. My mom's
seventy two, seventy three, years old. When I was growing up,
they thought weed was like crack cocaine. They thought if
I smoked weed, I would, you know, go to jail.
I'd lose my ambition and I'd be a loser. I
smoked a little weed in high school. The problem is
I didn't really like it back then. I couldn't control
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my mind and I freaked out. In the last three
or four years, I've been in business with weed companies
and I got back into it the edibles, and I've
been just much better control of my mind. I love
it helps me sleep. It's made me much more creative.
It's led to a lot of topics I've done over
the years on this podcast. It's really helped me in
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the business I'm in. Think of different topics, think of
different angles. I am way more creative on it personally.
And I've been drinking for twenty plus years and I've
never drank less than I have the last three or
four years. I hate being hung over. But here's one
thing I know and I don't. I'm not against drinking.
I love to drink, it's fun. I just hate being
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hung over drinking. Having been a guy that's drank for
a long time, and someone who's smoked and taking edibles
now for a long period of time, drinking is infinitely
worse for you. But if you're in a draft room
and I tell you, you you know, this guy parties a
couple times a week, it's like, oh, he's just out
with the boys, shot gunning some beers, taking some shots,
chasing some ladies. It's applotted. Yet in these draft rooms.
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I had a friend tell me that he's like, you know,
we had these draft meetings and these guys are crushing
these guys for getting high and playing video games or
getting high and hanging out their buddies. I'm like, you're
fucking morons. They're harmless. And I think people that have
changed their thought process is realizing because I heard of
a prominent player in this draft. One of the knocks
on him was he liked to get he liked to
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get baked, he liked to smoke a little weed and
play video games. People like, loser, what's he doing. It's like, guys,
this isn't like nineteen seventy eight. And really the reason weed,
I think my parents thought that was because big tobacco,
which clearly cigarettes are way worse for you than smoking
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a joint. Now, I don't smoke weed because I'm scared
to like burn my lungs, because really the only thing
I can productively do is talk, and if I ever
couldn't talk, I'd have a problem putting a roof over
my head. So I'd just take edibles. But I know
a lot of people are smoking. They're fine. It's like
one thing I know about alcohol. Within a couple months ago,
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I lost a friend, a guy I grew up with,
one of my best friends in elementary school, in junior high,
in high school, we went to college together. He had
a pretty big drinking problem. I don't know anyone, and
I've known a lot of people who have smoked a
lot of weed. And where I was from, maybe I
was around it early around just drugs in general. It
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wasn't like junior high people that aren't smoking weed. I'm
thirty six years old. For well over twenty years, never
had an issue, not one. So I think these teams
that have changed their philosophy on like, there are players
on every team in the NFL, star players that get
high all the time. You know, the NBA is full
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of potheads. The best players in the league, several of
them We have a running joke in the Bay Area
about Clay Thompson. No one cares. It's not that big
a deal. Do you know what I'd rather have my
star player doing in twenty twenty one getting high than
have a drinking problem. And that is a theme right now.
And we talked about it a little while ago, within
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the last couple of months, about this draft, about guys
that played video games, like that's a big thing. I mean,
I remember when I first got to the league, and
we always read about when we were a kid, guys
that are like guys like to party, guys like to
go to club, and guys like to do recreational drugs
like cocaine, right, And He's like, you gotta be careful
with those guys. And I think that that human because
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the way society's changing, the way these kids are growing up,
they're more likely to play a video game to connect
with their friends on the internet. I'm talking about star
college football players then go to a club like the
guys twenty thirty years ago do blow and drink. That's
just the reality of the society that we're living in
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with technology, And honestly, I say that's a good thing.
And I heard about a star player in this draft
who I wouldn't say fell, but went a little lower
than he stood. One of the knocks about him was like,
you know, he just gets high too much. It's like,
what have you watched him play? He's like, yeah, he
kicks ass. It's like, you guys, man have an anequated
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thought process. Here. My dad would rolling his roll over
in his grave. You heard me talking like this around
marijuana because I've been around that generation. They thought it
was meth, like, they thought it was a hardcore drug.
It's just it's just not you know, it really isn't.
And I'm someone who was very anti marijuana for probably
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most of my twenties because it used to make me
feel really weird, and it turns out it is really
I just couldn't really control my I was immature with
my mind. Now everyone's different. I'm not saying like everyone
should smoke marijuana or take edibles or drinking, like everyone
should do what they want to do. But my overall
point is we need to be careful with the way
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we say, like being a quote unquote weed guy in college,
do you know what that is? That's the norm? Do
you know what used to be the norm in like
two thousand and five or ninety five or two thousand
guy drinking. Most guys drank, and I bet most guys
still drink, right, I'm sure if you're listening, you drink.
I'm literally have a glass of wine in my hand
(45:54):
right now. I'm not a big wine guy. But I
just had this new sponsor in my other podcast and
it's actually pretty good. I'm not gonna lie so well.
My point is just overall, the teams that are just
get ahead of this stuff make better decisions, and they
don't pass on a guy. It's one thing to pass
on a guy in this draft, and the thing you
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realize I'm out of the loop now. Like going into
the draft, I don't know stories about every player, but
when a guy gets drafted, especially on teams that I'm
interested in, I'll text my friends, an executive, a college director,
and I'll go, what's his deal? And he'll go, you know,
he fell because he had an issue in college, something
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that's pretty shady, something with a girlfriend. And he'd be like, whoa.
But then you hear you know, and we thought, you know,
he might have a weed problem, and he'd be like, huh, seriously,
like that's your issue with him, Like, come on, guys,
get with the times. There's a big difference between and
I'd say, and honestly this is gonna sound crazy, but
I would imagine fifteen years ago, domestic violence and being
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a guy that's OK weed would both have been equaled.
Demerits would have both and some teams got you pulled
off the board. Think about that now. Luckily, I think
some of these forward thinking coaches, some of these open
minded coaches, some of these coaches I don't know that
are just locked into the way society is. Don't think
like that anymore. But you'd be nuts if you didn't
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believe that. Some of these old school scouts, old school
coaches and old school gms, I imagine how you know,
most of the owners dabble, but still factor that in.
And it's the reason sometimes you look up, you go,
why is this guy falling? Why is this guy not falling?
Sometimes it's information that teams only have good or bad.
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But I think you'd be surprised, which with how much
marijuana still factors, in which to me is just insanity.
Have a great weekend. The draft. I just looked up
it's I guess officially over for the night, so we're
on to the fourth round. By the time you're listening
to us, you know they'll probably be looking at a
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zoo or something going on. But have a great weekend,
have a great night, audios. If you love to be
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