3 & Out - Aaron Rodgers update, Deion wants to play more, Happy Gilmore trailer

John starts the podcast by diving into the latest update with Aaron Rodgers and how at this point in his career he's turned into more of a headache than any organization seems to want to take on and all of his drama is starting to carry over to players getting annoyed with his antics. Next, John discusses how Deion Sanders has talked about bringing in another school to practice with Colorado and then have a televised Spring Game. Later, John talks about the new trailer for Happy Gilmore 2 and how it's a very smart move to make this a straight to Netflix movie.

Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.

5:43 - Aaron Rodgers update

13:05 - Deion Sanders wants more spring ball

16:07 - Bill belichick picture

19:00 - Happy Gilmore trailer

30:50 - Mailbag

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff three and now podcast back at it again.

(00:24):
Rogers starting to piss off people. They aren't even on
his team yet. Cam Hayward had some comments and I
don't know about you, but getting tired of this story.
So we will dive into that. Some stuff going on
in the college football world. Dean Sanders wants to play

(00:44):
another team in the spring game. Belichick Frolicking along the Beach,
Deeply in Love and Happy to Gilmore Too is about
to be released on Netflix, as well as A long
mail bag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the
Instagram fire in those dms. We will do a mail

(01:06):
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lot of mailbag questions, so keep firing in those dms
and we'll just keep plugging along. The draft about a
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guys are taking visits, pro days are wrapping up. By

(01:29):
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draft board and going over reports and then the draft
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(03:18):
it feels like we're coming down the home stretch, but
I would not be confident saying that out loud. One
thing is clear, as this is starting to bleed in
to his potential future teammates, where Cam Hayward, who has
actually been on this podcast before Absolute stud made some

(03:39):
comments today he's clearly tired of it, because it does
feel It's one thing. If you're the New York Giants
and you are completely desperate, what else are you gonna do?
You literally have no options. Not that the Steelers have
a lot of options, because they don't either, but it
does feel like, wait, this franchise, we're waiting and on

(04:00):
this forty one year old guy to make a decision
where it feels like he's actually begging for Kevin O'Connell
to give him a call. My overall take is this
is one story that I'm sorry, I'm kind of out on,
Like I just don't care that much about I'm sad.
It hurts me to admit this, But Maria loves some

(04:24):
shows on Bravo, Southern Charm, Southern Hospitality, Summer House, And
I'd be lying if I said that I didn't get
into parts of those shows and get I don't want
to say enjoy them, but did watch a lot of them.
Then there got to a point, almost like a line

(04:46):
of diminishing returns, that I was like, I can't do
this anymore. The same people have been on the same
shows for years. It's one thing when you're twenty eight,
when you're twenty four, when you're thirty and you are
making money on television. Some of these people, like forty
five years old. There are pregnant women on this show.
I can't take this seriously. I feel like I'm getting

(05:09):
dumber consuming this content. And I knew she had lost
me when she had rewound something I had already seen,
I'm like, I can't rewatch this for a second time.
I Am going to lose my mind. That's what I
feel like with his Aaron Rodgers situation, we are discussing
a forty one year old over the hill, not that

(05:30):
good play of a player anymore. And listen, I have
beat the drum for years of like, honestly, I think
like Aaron Rodgers underrated. I think he's easily one of
the best players in any sport I've ever witnessed, and
the stuff he did in his prime for Green Bay,
but even those couple of years with Lafloor, it's like
this guy I don't even think gets his proper due.

(05:50):
Now we can nitpick some of his performances in the playoffs,
not all of his fault the defense let him down,
but and I often thought some of the controversies with them, like,
I think a lot of people agreed with a stance
when it came to getting the job. I don't think
he was alone. And I'm not even talking about the
general public. I'm talking about the players. The coaches. Don't
act like he was some outlier. You know, Now, once

(06:13):
you start getting to the ayahuasca, the darkness retreat. I
try to be open minded. I'm all about trying to
have some self improvement. So if taking some drugs out
in the wilderness, sitting in the room with no light
helps you find some mental clarity, listen for each his
own and listen, we've all I don't care who you are.

(06:34):
This notion that all of our families are like each other's,
like all of our families have different elements of being
batshit crazy, And clearly Rogers' situation has been a driving
force of the conversation. I showed Maria the clip of
I didn't watch the Netflix documentary, but like the preview
where Jordan had put out the plate, it's like, like,

(06:57):
I'm sorry, it's easy to point the finger at Rogers.
I don't know all the information that happened here, but
that was whack job behavior by his family to do
that on national television. So I supported him there, Like
that's like I'm pointing the finger at brother and parents
on that one. But like this situation now, like what
are we talking about? Sam Darnold and Geno Smith just

(07:19):
had a dramatically stronger market than this guy. At least
we can all acknowledge, Like Russell Wilson is kind of
an irrelevant player now. He just does not matter to
the landscape of the league. It does feel like we're
still holding on to Rogers. It's like, could the Steelers
could he what throw some touchdown? Sure? Would they be
good with him? No, they would not. At forty one

(07:42):
years old, he doesn't want to get hit playing in
the cold, like it ain't gonna work. And I just
think this story. I get it. He's one of the
most famous players in an era where the NFL has
never been more popular. He's definitely one of the bigger
names in all of sports. But I do belie leave
this and this happened to the NBA, Like the biggest

(08:03):
stories in the NBA the last couple of years have
nothing to do with basketball, right and listen, Having transactions
be a big part of your league is not always
a bad thing. We talk a lot about trades and
draft picks and signings in football, but when that is
the defining attribute of your league, you have a big problem.

(08:24):
And when you talk about the NBA, like what are
the biggest things to happen, they're always like trades or
steven A and Lebron yelling at each other. It's never like, hey,
did you see that fourth quarter of the Warriors and
the Nuggets. No one gives a fuck, and that is
a problem. Luckily for the NFL, they still hang their
hat on the games. Now, it's obviously the spring and

(08:46):
football is not coming back for five or six months,
so this is all we have to talk about are transactions.
But it does feel like we've crossed the line of
I don't know if most people care about this story,
because I know me personally. I do the for a living,
and I'm like, I don't give a shit. I understand
where Cam Hayward's from, Like I'm tired of talking about

(09:07):
come or don't come, but like, stop asking us all
about it. Make your fucking decision now. I think there's
an element in Diana Russini has reported about this, like
is he just waiting for Minnesota to call him? I
think it's a pretty big risk for Minnesota to go
down that road. But I also think that just going

(09:29):
with JJ also is a big risk, Like that could
be a disaster, very possible. This notion that he's just
some plug and play and they're gonna keep kicking ass,
Like that's not the way football works, especially for a
guy that's never thrown more than twenty two touchdowns in college,
all of a sudden he's gonna carry an offense. I
don't know. I would pump the brakes on being confident

(09:50):
on that one, especially coming off a couple of injuries
when he's really skinny. That is why I'm sure they're
having these discussions. But this discussion about like could he
save the Steelers or what could he do with the
like nothing, He's not going to do anything. Speaking of
a guy that I think once upon a time a
lot of people just thought he was a big talker
and they turned out like, no, I'm actually pretty good

(10:11):
football coach Dean Sanders and Deon Sanders recently a couple
days ago, went on a rant about the spring game,
which in college football has been I would say, like
universally canceled, which is not ideal for these programs partners
who pay them all the money, I e. ESPN, Fox, CBS.

(10:34):
If you notice, during the spring, historically those games are broadcasts,
even if they're pretty stupid, it's content. Guess what people watch. Alabama, LSU,
Ohio State, Michigan play spring football. And now most of
these programs like we're out, And I get where they're
coming from, right, They don't want anyone to steal their players.

(10:54):
Matt Rule kind of started this trend, which Nebraska their
spring game, I don't know gets eighty thousand people is
kind of a big deal, and then it feels like
everyone else follows suit and Deon Sanders went the opposite way.
Not only do I want to hold a spring game,
I want to play another team. And I'm trying to
convince the powers that be i e. My AD and
my president this is a good idea. And I think

(11:18):
what he's saying is like, we will pay someone to
come here for five or six days, practice us for
a couple of days that wouldn't be on television, and
then play in a spring game, which would be awesome.
And ultimately, I think there might be an angle here
that once they figure out this revenue sharing and you
don't have to worry and the transfer portal can change

(11:40):
a little bit. There's one free agency like there is
in the NFL. This is your week, and if you're
not signed or you don't move teams, you're staying on
the team. Instead of all these different windows and this
window after spring ball, which all these coaches are terrified
that if all of a sudden they have a spring
game and someone sees that my backup tackle is awesome, well,
they'll get I'm on the horn and they'll say how

(12:01):
much you make it. He'll say three hundred grand. They'll say,
I'll offer you five hundred thousand dollars and I'll make
you my starting right tackle. And that's the problem where
most of these coaches don't want to deal with. But
I applaud Deon Sanders for thinking like this, because it's
just this is entertainment, and I think anytime that you
get off the road of like what the whole point

(12:21):
of this is and the reason these networks pay you
all this money is people like watching it and it's
a really big deal. And college football is currently the
number two sport in America for a reason. We love football,
but like the current state and the way everything's going
with everyone pulling back is not an ideal situation. And

(12:43):
someone asked me yesterday, like Deon Sanders, if Deon Sanders
has a good season this year, and a good season
at Colorado is different than Texas and Alabama and LSU,
it's like eight wins if he wins eight games with
Shador and Travis Hunter gone like get ready. I don't
see how some of these massive programs, if they have openings,

(13:04):
don't make Deon Sanders their first call. Another story that's
actually kind of funny Belichick, who it's you know, very
public relationship with this young lady who's twenty four years
old named Jordan that clearly North Carolina looks like he
is on spring break, and Belichick was on the beach

(13:25):
with Jordan doing like the move where you put Usually
you do it like your children or your nephews or whatever,
where you lift them up and they kind of fly
like an airplane above you. But Bill was doing it
with his girlfriend, and while everyone laughs, I also feel
there is this undertone, especially from like the media elites,
that like, how disgusting this is that this seventy four

(13:48):
year old man is sleeping with this girl who probably
doesn't like him except because he's rich and powerful. It's like, yeah, guys,
no shit, what do you want Bill Belichick at seventy three,
seventy four years old to do. He's single and he's rich.
You think he's going to be sleeping with grandma? Of
course not, none of you would either, I don't blame

(14:11):
Bill at all for doing this. And here's the one
thing I respect about Bill. I would say, historically, rumors
in the football world, You know, the NFL is a
lot different than college. In the NFL, you go to
essentially like a corporate office. Well, the most of the
people you see throughout the week are your coaching staff,

(14:32):
maybe people in your scouting staff, your training staff, and
your players. In college football, and I worked on a
college campus for a couple of years before I went
to the Eagles, you're around a lot of ladies, not
just the other girls and coaches that are in the
athletic department, but when you go to lunch, when sometimes

(14:54):
you walk around campus, you see the people on campus,
which obviously they are young guys, there are also a
lot of young women. And I have heard countless rumors,
some that have been verified, of coaches who are quote
unquote happily married, having a side place, sleeping with co
eds and forever it was like, and I think society

(15:15):
was a lot like this. Don't say anything, keep quiet,
They don't need to know. Those days are fucking over.
We kind of know everything. And anyone with a brain
that can use common sense understands like, yeah, this is
probably going on. So the one thing I will say
about Bill Belichick, and you can crush him for a
lot of things over the years, he ain't hiding shit.
He ain't pretending that he's not running around with someone

(15:38):
fifty years younger than him, unlike a lot of coaches
who then go home to their wives and families who
also have the side young girlfriend. So like Belichick, who
I think is being harshly judged by a lot of people,
like give me a break. So props to Bill for
finding love and just doing it publicly. Before we dive

(16:01):
into Laramie Tunzel really quick, I do. I always get
scared when a movie like Happy Gilmour gets redone and
it happens a lot, right, we have seen Jurassic Park two,
We've seen I mean a lot of movies have two, three,
four versions of their original movie for a reason it

(16:23):
was successful, and usually successful movies you believe you can
do it again, and sometimes they become a big deal.
I would say the most historic one probably of my lifetime,
would be the Rocky series. But recently John Wick, they
had a lot of success and they just continued making them.
But anytime you get into a situation where the movie

(16:44):
was a really big deal and then there are decades
that pass before you make another one, I get nervous.
So when I saw the trailer today, and we've known
it was happening, especially if you follow golf, because all
these guys were involved in it, given that meaning the pros.
So I was like, I don't know, man, sometimes just
let something great be, don't try to follow it up.

(17:08):
And when I saw the trailer, I honestly thought a
little cheesy. I'm like, I don't think this is gonna work.
And then the trailer ends and it goes we'll go
straight to Netflix. I'm like, actually, don't judge it as
harshly because anytime, and I think this shows you how
the world has changed, you know before I remember going

(17:28):
to Bad Boys too when I was in high school,
and there was probably almost a decade maybe a little
less eight years between those two movies, and it was
a really big deal, and obviously it was a big hit.
And then they didn't make Bad Boys three till almost
twenty years later, which I still have yet to watch
and just refuse to watch, like I'm out this one.

(17:50):
If it had been in the theaters kind of would
have made me sad. It would have been like, I
don't know, man, but going straight to Netflix, like, I
will never complain. You can do whatever you want if
you make the ability for me to consume your content
the moment it comes out from my bedroom. And I

(18:12):
give Adam Sandler credit. Clearly he's done a lot of
business with Netflix. He's created these movies. Even if Happy
Gilmore two doesn't sniff the original, good news for you,
it won't not as bothered if I just have to
press one button while I'm in my pajamas on a
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(19:17):
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was a part of a major left tackle trade when
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(20:02):
giving him a second round pick next year. And the
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(20:24):
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(20:45):
had nineteen penalties in twenty and twenty four, which led
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(21:06):
So the Commanders who now take Tunzel not only have
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but we need you to play well enough where we
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(21:26):
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(21:50):
that they've punted on you, you got to change a
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you a conducive work environment to coach you hard, but
it's also on you to ada to us because you're
coming to a place that just had way more success
than the place where you're just coming from. We were
just in the NFC Championship game, right, You're a team
that kind of fell off the map a little bit

(22:11):
this year. So I think I'm fascinated to watch the
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Okay, let's dive into a little thing called the mail
bag at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram
fire in those dms. Get your question and right here
on the podcast. Start with Joey so he's a big
fan like this guy. Are the Titans playing up how
much they like Ward to try and entice the Giants

(25:10):
to give a haul for the pick. I don't understand
how the Titans don't trade back and gain the Giants'
first round pick next year. In all likelihood, it would
probably be a top three pick. They could still get
a higher end starter and possibly have two top five
picks next season. Cam Ward wouldn't even have been a

(25:31):
top four quarterback prospect in the last year's class. I
don't get why they don't budge Well. I think that
assumes that the Giants would trade next year's one to
move up two spots, and I don't know if they would.
So like anytime that we assume a trade, he takes
two to taygo right. You can dance by yourself, but

(25:53):
you usually need a partner. And I think in this situation,
I think that if the Giants traded their twenty twenty
six first round pick to get up, I think that
would be insane. So I think part of the Titans
just need a quarterback, and the betting markets like I
don't think they're playing it up like they're gonna draft
cam Warden cam Ward is going to be their pick.

(26:17):
I'm heading to Scottsdale for a basketball attorney this weekend.
What's the name of the par three course that does
night golf. It's called the Grass Clippings. The Grass Clippings
never been but everyone swears by it. So enjoy Alex
the definition of insanity. I don't even need to read.

(26:38):
This is doing the same thing over and over. The
NFL has given us one Gem Darnald taking Geno Smith's
job yet again, with two more in the wings, Rogers
pulling a farve and Russell Wilson going to make Kenny
Pickett rethink being a starter. Do you believe that either
of these scenarios are going to happen? And if they do,

(27:00):
do you see them working out? Uh? I think I
could see Gino just playing like Gino Smith. He's just solid.
I think Sam Darnold could be pretty hit or miss.
I'm rooting for the guy, but I think he's going
to be pretty difficult given how bad their offensive line
is and they's got rid of DK. I think Ross,

(27:22):
Rogers and Russell are done like it's over. I mean Russell.
I don't even think Russell is a lock to have
a job. It would not shock me if nobody signs them.
He's like toxic. His approval rating not good. So I
have a theory that the recent success of tough running
teams like Detroit and Philly is a direct reflection and

(27:44):
consequence of the spread offense over the last fifteen to
twenty years. Teams now have smaller and quicker wide receivers
and tight ends that are offensive weapons in order to
effectively run the spread because it's so focused on spreading
you out than taking advantage of the space that's created

(28:05):
by getting their super quick, extremely agile small players in
a spot on the field where there's open space for
them to use their skill. As a result of that,
defenses now have to have to have players that can
match up with these twitchy wide receivers and chase them
all over the field, thus putting them at a disadvantage

(28:26):
when they play teams like Philly that have big lines
and big running backs and big tight ends that can
hammer the old school running game. Because modern defenses primarily,
linebackers are not equipped to defend that type offense. If
more teams now start to copy Philly or Detroit in
the run game, do you think we will see defenses
rebuild themselves in order to get bigger linebackers. Well, those

(28:52):
linebackers don't exist. Like when I was growing up, most
linebackers weigh two hundred and fifty two hundred and sixty
two hundred and seventy pounds, and their job was to
meet guys like Lorenzo O'Neill in the hole and get
in a one on one guys like ray Lewis. People
questioned him coming out in the draft because he weighed

(29:13):
like two hundred and thirty pounds. Now, obviously as he
got older he got bigger, But ray Lewis the way
he played in college two hundred and twenty five two
hundred and thirty, two hundred and thirty five pound linebackers that
can play in space are what everyone wants, So you go,
could it shift the other way? Those players don't exist
in college. There aren't middle linebackers that look like Ken

(29:39):
Norton junior, that look like you know, those type linebackers
that fill the hole. You know, Drod Mayo or I
guess Brandon Spikes was more of that guy. Like those
type players that you know, probably ten years ago, were
slowly phased out and considered two down plays, which is stupid,

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you know line now because like two down players just
meant on first and second down. When people run the ball, well,
people pass it on all the time on first down.
It's why you need versatile linebackers, guys that can run
and play in space. Even the best linebackers in the
league Rokwan Smith and Fred Warner would not be considered

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like stack and shed taking on guards and centers in
the hole. That is not what they do. So I
just think the player has changed. The game has changed
a lot, but so like the way college football, they
don't exist. It's why it's hard to find offensive linemen
in the draft now because there aren't like these teams

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like IOWA. In what Alabama used to do in the
first you know, half of the saban era, it was
easy to find guards and centers that would translate to
the way people played. In the NFL. It is much
more difficult because everyone is running the spread offense. It's
why the NFL has added a lot of those concepts
to the offense. You know, Lane Johnson is thirty five

(31:12):
years old, he's a throwback player. Jordan Malatta, they got
pretty lucky finding him in Australia. You know, Landon Dickerson's
an Alabama guy. So I think it's difficult to find
those type players. I think it's easy to go, Yeah,
just find Jordan Malata and Panay School. It's like, well, yeah,
I would love to, but it's it's easier said than done.

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I think you're not crazy for your theory, but I
think it's harder to transition to what you're talking about.
A question for the mailbag. Explain to me if a
college team has many players from the NIL, does that
mean you have more scholarship spots on the team. If so,

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wouldn't that be the way to go. I don't think
the NIL has anything to do with scholarships. The scholarships
are paid by the school you get. You know, in
college football, you get eighty five, so I get to
place of my one hundred man roster, eighty five of
those guys are on a full scholarship, meaning they don't
pay you to go to school, and meaning they get

(32:17):
a housing stipend. But the nil is what I you know,
in theory, I pay for your name, image, likeness, but
it's essentially just paying you to play. So the nil
has nothing to do with scholarships, Absolutely nothing. I see
the most recent Kevin Durant drama with the talented reporter
Ramona Shelburn, do you see comparisons to Kadie and Aaron Rodgers,

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two all time greats, but seem to do their own way,
seem to do it their own way, and their back
half of their careers have fizzled, bouncing from team to team.
You know it's funny, is I didn't see? Did Ramona
and Kevin get into it? One thing they have in common?
And I'll use myself as example. Most people in my life,

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I would say, over the course of the last five
six years are married and now have children and their lives.
As you know, up until a couple of years ago,
I was pretty single in my life compared to that
other person's life. Even if we're both thirty four. If
I'm thirty four and you're thirty four, and we both

(33:23):
own a home, but you have a wife and you
have a young child and I have none of that,
our lives don't parallel each other at all. I can
do whatever the you know what I want, and I
do where that human being has not only has responsibility
with a child, but their life revolves around other people.

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And as someone who obviously just got married and who
has lived with someone for a couple of years, you
realize your life is completely different than it once was.
It doesn't mean I don't get to still go play
golf and still do things I want to do, and
that'll be the same one I have a child, but
it is no longer one hundred percent. I dictate the

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terms of literally everything I want to do, and I'd
argue my life is much more complete now that I
have someone else in it, and hopefully if my swimmer
swim we have children here soon, it'll even get better,
even if it becomes in ways more difficult and more challenging.

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But like, my life actually has more in common with
most people, right, So, Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Durant Aaron
Rodgers forty one years old. Most of the quarterbacks in
the NFL, you know, Tom Brady was married and had kids,
Peyton Manning married and had kids, Drew Brees married and
had kids. Fucking Roethlisberger married and have kids their lives

(34:55):
in a weird way. All have way more in common
than rogers, who can just do whatever he wants whenever
he wants. Like that, you become a little abnormal, especially
like at his position, like most quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes married,
Josh Allen engaged Herbert No clue. Looks like Jalen Hurt's

(35:16):
serious relationship. Jared Goff married. I don't think they had
a baby yet, but kid on the way, she's pregnant.
Aaron Rodger is single at forty one, never been married,
like I, I wouldn't like I would have pushed back
against this for a long time, but like, I don't know,

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man Kevin Durant. Look at the best players in the NBA.
Lebron married multiple kids, Steph Curry married five kids, Joannis
married kids. Jokic no clue, but it's like you're thirty
eight years old. The other thing is I was single. Yeah,

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I wasn't a millionaire by any means. Had enough money,
but not enough to do whatever I want. Imagine being
single and that rich, it would probably fuck with you,
and it'd be one thing if you're like divorced or whatever.
Never been married, always been single, can just do whatever
you want. It's kind of a weird life, honestly. One

(36:20):
thing as I got older, like you just want like
there's just more to life than just it being about you.
And my profession revolves a lot like the podcast is
all about me. It just most of our industries just
about you trying to be ambitious, and it's just like that,
there's more to life than that. So I think that's

(36:43):
where they really parallel each other. It's just no one
else that is dependent on them and their life being
a wife or a child, where basically all their peers
have that. Hi, John Ravens fan, how scary are the
Browns going into next season now that they traded for
a Super Bowl champ? And he's talking about Kenny Pickett?

(37:07):
Seriously though, how stupid are the Browns not only traded
a second day pick to the Eagles for Kenny Pickett,
but they also traded their own quarterback to the Eagles
for Kenny who is arguably better than Pickett. Uh yeah, man,
I I didn't even see what was the Kenny Pickett trade.

(37:34):
I didn't even see the trade. I mean, I know
they got traded. So the Eagles announced they have agreed
to trade Kenny Pickett to the Browns for DTR and
a fifth round pick. Yeah, I don't know. I no comment.
I just think I think Kenny Pickett I would not
want him on my team. You know, there are certain
players like, yeah, he's gonna be in the NFL. I

(37:55):
would not want him on my team. So there are
guys like this in the draft. It's like, listen, this
guy's gonna get drafted in like the second round or
the third round. I don't want this guy on my team.
Not because I don't like. I agree he can play,
but I don't want this guy on my team. And
Kenny Pickett has nothing like character wise, I'm just talking
to player. I think he's terrible and DTR is much more.

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You know, Jalen under that umbrella of like being able
to move. I don't under the stand the Bengals letting
Hendrickson seek a trade while keeping Chase and Higgins. Their
defense was terrible and Henderson was the lead league leader
in sacks. Wouldn't the smartest thing to do would be

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to extend Chase and Hendrickson and trade Higgins. I feel
teams have gotten too cute when making decisions in what
world do you let the leading sack leader go just
to keep another wide receiver Higgins, who is a great
player and probably a Number one somewhere else, But you
already have Chase and need a defense at the end

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of the day. Hey, I'm a Ravens fan, so it
doesn't bother me. But why do you think teams make
these decisions so hard? Well? I saw a quote from
Jamar Chase. They must have had their press conference today
saying like we owed Joe Burrow a debt of gratitude.
Him speaking about this had a huge influence. And he's
not wrong. He's not wrong at all. So the reason

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they extended those two guys, Joe Burrow because it's not
the right football move. Even if you could keep all three,
you wouldn't want to keep all three. You'd keep the
pass rusher, and you'd keep the star wide receiver, and
you'd flip the other guy for a second or third
round pick, and instead of paying your second wide receiver
twenty nine million dollars, you would draft a wide receiver
in the second or third round. Help maybe draft both

(39:47):
a receiver in the second and the third and let
the cream rise and pay those guys to combine two
million dollars. So it's a bad move. I mean yeah
from a football standpoint in a vacuum. Now, when you
factor in their variables of Joe Burrow, I get it,
And that's why they did it their star quarterback. Would

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Joe Shane and Brian Dabole fighting for their jobs should
they consider trading for a guy like Joe Milton. The
Giants have been involved in a lot of trades, signing
talks for quarterbacks like Stafford, Rogers, and Wilson. It leads
me to think they aren't super high on Shodoor Sanders.
If they aren't high on Sanders and can't land somebody

(40:30):
like Rogers, who else could you find to excite the
fan base? Giants are fucked. It's over. And I get
John Mara not wanting to fire these guys because he
doesn't want to look like some looney owner. He should
have blown up the place, He should have thrown a
bunch of gasoline all over and lit a match, but

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he was hesitant to do that because he doesn't want
to look like Al Davis or something. But like, the
reason you're firing all these people's because they're bad at
their jobs. They're bad at their jobs. Joe Shane is
completely in over his head. Maybe Dave Ball is a
solid offensive mind, but as a head coach, it's I
don't know, man, it ain't working. Broncos fan, I'm curious

(41:18):
how you feel about the Broncos free agency picks so far.
Who funk in Green Law are dogs, but they tend
to be injured. Also curious your thoughts on Evan Ingram.
I like them, but I feel like we could have
gotten a sweet tight end in the draft. I don't
think signing any of those guys limits anything you guys
do in the draft. I would one hundred percent expect

(41:40):
you guys to draft the tight end. All right, what
was Ingram's numbers last year? You got banged up. He
had a bad season. He played nine games, forty seven catches,
one touchdown. Previous year he was unreal. We had one
hundred and fourteen catches and he'll only average eight yards
a catch. To me, Evan Ingram at this point, it's

(42:02):
like he just signed him because he's a good player,
and if he can give you fifty sixty catches, you're
in good shape. But like that has zero impact, and
I mean zero impact on you. Guys signing or excuse me,
drafting a tight end. I would be stunned if you
guys don't draft a tight end and running back with

(42:22):
two of your first four picks. Are the Bengals serious
signing Higgins and Chase just to make Bro happy? But
at what sacrifice? Losing defensive players and maxing out their
cap on three offensive guys? Does this make sense to you?
Like I said, man, our experiences shape our decisions as

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we move on in life. Carson Palmer quit on them.
He said I would rather retire than play for you
when he left. A couple years later, he was leading
the Arizona Cardinals to the NFC Championship Game. The Arizona Cardinals,
who are a joke franchise, so like they've had a

(43:05):
experience with a superstar quarterback that got really weird and
really ugly, and Burrell started making some comments like listen,
I'm not trying to play GM here, but we should
keep these guys. I want to keep these guys, and
Carson had made some comments like I was promised some
things and it didn't come through, and it pissed him

(43:26):
off and he quit on them. So if Carson Palmer
hadn't existed for the Cincinnati Bengals. Do I think that
they re signed t Higgins as well? I don't, but
like they went through that experience that would rattle me
too if I was Mike Brown. What if I didn't
and then next year Joe Burrow's like, I want out.

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It's just a weird situation that yet is Is it
an ideal team building exercise to pay two wide receivers
that much money? No, it's not because the move I
think we all agree is to pay Chase who is unreal,
and Flip Higgins. But Joe Burrow didn't really allow that.

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Now you could argue, like Joe, like should you be
chiming in? And that's that's a fair question to ask.
But Joe would be like, well, I just threw forty
five touchdowns. My fucking team let me down. He's not wrong.
I was like, well, yeah, they let you down because
the defense. Do you think the Chargers should trade up
to get ash and Genty? Can I just say this,

(44:29):
I love the Whack which is now the Mountain West.
I root for kids from those programs, specifically Fresno Boise,
San Diego State, so I celebrate those players and Genty
was His numbers are jaw dropping. He was awesome this year.

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I mean he looked like Barry Sanders, meets like Walter Payton.
But doing that in the Mountain West is a lot
different than doing that in the SEC. Hear the big
ten and he's five foot eight. So I think sometimes
when we're critical like this, this is the draft, and
I think sometimes you have to have conversations of like,

(45:11):
not everyone is Barry Sanders, not everybody is Aaron Rodgers.
And when you're talking about a guy, I mean, people
talk about Ashton Genty going in the top ten. He's
five foot eight and he played in the Mountain West. Honestly,
I think drafting Ashton Genty in like the top fifteen
picks is kind of insane, mainly because there are a

(45:32):
ton of running backs in this draft. You are going
to get a starter if you draft a guy in
the second round, I promise you. And for the hype
on Ashton Genty, if I'm taking a guy high, Saquon
Barkley freak talent, did it at Penn State, Christian McCaffrey,
Pac twelve dominated freak talent, b Jon Robinson Texas. I

(45:54):
do think there's a lot of risk involved five foot
eight Boise State. And when I say risk involved, not
that he won't be a good player in the NFL.
When you're drafting him really high, you're expecting Pro bowls,
all star. I'm not as convinced. If you tell me
Ashton Genty never makes a Pro Bowl like, I think

(46:15):
that's believable. If you tell me he's not the best
running back in this class, I think that's believable. Like that,
Sakwan Barkley was going to be a star if he
just got with a decent team. Christian McCaffrey was a
fucking freak. Bijon Robinson was probably the biggest freak out
of those three. I love Jamiir Gibbs, but like there

(46:36):
was some risk involved, but look at where he gets
to go with an unreal loaded offense with a great
offensive line, Like the Cowboys cannot draft Ashton Genty the Bears.
I think those picks would be crazy. And I like
Ashton Genty. To me, he's like a pick in the twenties. Now.
I understand he benefits because he's such a great player

(46:57):
in a class that doesn't have a lot of high
end play. But I would have a hard time as
a GM or a coach drafting a guy that was
five to eight, really really high in a league full
of just freakazoids. Hey, John, I'd like to suggest Miles
Garrett be on the next Fugazy Friday. He said in

(47:19):
the press conference recently. I think the fans will know
my heart's in the right place. It's never been about
the money. It's always been about winning. That's got to
be one of the most disingenuous things I've ever heard
in my life. Yeah. Man, I just think it's at
this point in time, like we all know the truth.
They and I give Jimmy Haslam credit when he's like,

(47:43):
Miles Garrett asked for a meeting with Jimmy Haslam, and
then Jimmy Haslam was like, I'm not meeting with you,
meet with my GM, who I don't know runs the
football team. And then of course Clutch immediately leaks out
that Jimmy HASLM wouldn't meet with him. Of course he wouldn't.
His fucking job's the GM were, don't plan on trade you.
And then Jimmy Haslam gave him whatever, one hundred and

(48:04):
thirty million dollars and Miles took it. So, yeah, it's
just Miles Garrett. His desire to win could be bought,
and it was. Now. I don't blame We all got
a price and he just got Now. He was already
one hundred worth of millions of dollars, but they paid
essentially shut him up and it worked. It's crazy, the

(48:28):
power of cash. It's very, very powerful, and depending on
who you're dealing with, numbers could be bigger or smaller.
What do you think of the idea the Colts drafting
a quarterback in the second round? Steichen saw firsthand how
basically it saved the Eagles, as one primarily credited with
the development of Hurts. I could see him being up

(48:51):
for it, trying it again if he has lost faith
in Anthony Richson. I know they signed DJ for this year,
but I don't really have much faith in him either
at this point. Don't blame you. I get that they
have other needs, but if the other two quarterbacks are
as bad as they have historically been, putting Milrow or

(49:12):
Riley Leonard in for the latter part of the season
and having them look decent seems like it would be
a better chance of saving the coach and the GM's job. Also,
even if ar does end up playing well, based on
their history and play style, I could see a situation
where both he and DJ are heard at the same time.

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It's a disaster. There's no way around it. When you
draft a high quarterback, a quarterback really high, and you miss,
you are ninety nine percent of the time screwed. Honestly.
The only examples in recent memory that have bailed people
out have either been a low end free agent signing

(49:54):
Tanny Hill with Mariota. I think there are probably other
samples as well, but most of them are drafting people
in later in the draft, either in the same draft
or the next the following year. Cousins bailed the Redskins
out when the RG three got injured. Brock Purdy bailed

(50:15):
the Niners out when he was drafted a year later
in the seventh round. Dak Prescott fourth round. It's a
different situation, but with Tony Romo because he wasn't a draftick.
But you know what I mean. I don't understand why

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the Giants are focusing their quarterback search on Aaron Rodgers.
He's forty one, looked like a shot fighter, and he's
afraid to get hit. He's also a narcissist, and it's
controlling the Giants operation without even being signed by the teams.
Why not sign James for a fraction of the price
and move forward because the Giants, at least with Rogers,

(51:03):
there is some hope of like, what if we just
get a throwback season. He gives us ten good games
out of seventeen and we're in competition for a wild
card even if we end up going eight to nine
or season's relevant. You put Jamis on the Giants, they're
winning three or four games, and I find Jamis entertaining.

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His quotes are funny. You know, when he's playing decent football,
he's fun to watch. The Giants would not win any
games with Jamis now. They might not win any game
with Rogers either. He could easily do the same thing
and you win three four games, But there is that
element of hope. Right or wrong, The Panthers season is

(51:45):
on Bryce Young's shoulders. With the Panthers offseason moves, and
if Bryce Young can play like he did toward the
end of last season, am I crazy to think they
can compete for a wildcard spot? I don't know wildcard spot,
but the way they look toward the end of the
season with Bryce. If their defense is improved, they definitely

(52:07):
could be better. I mean, what was their final They
went five to twelve, but they were playing pretty good
football the last couple months. Eight wins, nine wins would
be an incredible accomplishment. Nine wins would be a pretty

(52:29):
incredible accomplishment. Curious your thoughts on this year's edge rush
class outside of Carter? Is there anyone you have your
eye on potentially becoming elite? We'll do some much more
deep dives on some high end players in this draft.

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I would say from a pass rushing standpoint, Abdul Carter
is a pretty special pass rusher. It's why I think
non quarterback, he's gonna be the first player off of
the I do think Walker from Georgia, at least in
Mike's exposure watching him play, had some games. I mean
that game he had against Texas in the regular season

(53:12):
was probably as good of a regular season game, I mean,
up there with any prospect in college football. I know
Tyler Warren had an incredible game against USC JENTI had
a bunch of great games. He had a great game
against Oregon. But if you watch Walker against Texas. I
think Georgia had like eight sacks. He had like three

(53:32):
of them. He had a bunch of tackles for losses.
I do think the Stewart kid from A and M.
I mean physically on paper, looks like he should be
a star four and a half career sacks. That concerns
me because I was taught you either get to the
quarterback or you don't. And is there an instinctive issue

(53:53):
with him not being able to land the guy because
physically he is a freak show. But we have seen
a lot of guys with elite measurables and not the
production at pass Rusher get drafted really high and then
not become good players. So that would that would make
me really nervous A question for the bag. One underrated

(54:13):
aspect of Hurt Sirianni coach quarterback duo is their ability
to show up and win against the best quarterbacks. As
a duo, they're two and two versus Mahomes one and
overs Burrow, Alan and Lamar three and over Stafford two
and one versus Daniels two and zero. When Hurts plays

(54:34):
more than two drives, oh, because the one loss, I
hear you. These are often talked about as the top
six quarterbacks. They also have been to two Super Bowls
in four years, made the playoffs in their first year,
and an average roster, and had three different O season
D season four years. It can't all be Howie Roseman,
how do you evaluate the coach quarterback duo. Well, I mean,

(54:59):
I don't think how he's taking credit for like plays
being called, but he's in full control of the roster.
And then when you talk about the ability to like
outplay other quarterbacks, Sirianni's not coaching the offense. It was
the you know Stike in two years ago when they
made the playoffs, and then Kellen this year. So Sirianni

(55:23):
does he motivate and get the team ready? You got
to give him credit his the team has been ready
in a lot of these big games. Don't argue there,
but he doesn't pick the players and he doesn't dictate
the scheme. I was talking to someone recently, and again
it's gonna sound like I'm a hater. I don't like
I'm not anti Syrianni. At this point. You win a

(55:45):
super Bowl Tima Hattia, but there were a lot of
rumors that you know, this guy wants a big contract extension,
and in fairness, the going rate for a guy that
wins the Super Bowl. You know, let's just pick a number.
It's not like Sirianni's making nothing. Six seven million dollars
surely one of the lowest paid coaches in the league
on its original contract. He's gonna want, I don't know,
fifteen sixteen million dollars. The Eagle's gonna give him fifteen

(56:09):
sixteen million dollars. I don't know the answer. Maybe they would,
maybe they won't be fascinating to see. If you're the Commanders,
would you trade your first round pick for Trey Hendrickson
and also pay him thirty million dollars a year? Huh,
I'd think about it. He is. I tried to spell

(56:35):
it and Google and I didn't even come close. You know,
a little older player turned into a dominant force these
last two years. Hasn't missed a game since twenty two.
Twenty five sacks excuse me, bad at math seventeen and seventeen,

(56:58):
so that'd be five sacks the last two years. He's
a monster. Yeah, I think you can think long and
hard about it. I couldn't. It's not an easy decision
because he's older. If he was like twenty seven, I
feel you know, once you get thirty. I mean he's
been in the league now since seventeen, and he is

(57:21):
a guy. I mean he's banged up a second year,
He's been bang missed a couple of games here and
there over the course of his career. Paying him is
the like if he was a free agent, he would
get so much money. It's about just giving my first
round pick. Because when you give a first round pick
for an older player, that first round pick, if you

(57:44):
just hit even if you don't hit a home run,
even if you hit a double, like, that's eight nine
years of player for you. And because they won however
many games they're drafting what twenty eighth that you're not
paying the guy that much your first four years. So
it's like there's an economic exercise to be had when
you're talking about this. It's not an easy decision, but

(58:08):
if he was available first round pick, I think you
would have to do it. Where do you stand on
Tua If we're being completely honest with ourselves, is this
guy even a real starting quarterback in the NFL? Yeah, okay,
I'm I would be considered a to a hater and
he actually grew on me over the course of the last
couple of years when he was getting KOed because backup

(58:29):
quarterbacks would come in. It was a joke. Tuas one
hundred percent of starting quarterback in the league. Like I
think in a perfect world, you pay to a twenty
million dollars when you pay to a fifty or forty
eight or whatever the hell he's making, Like, that's where
you get a problem. Well, this next quarterback up, well
he's not nearly as good as the other guys starting quarterback.
Good player, but like if Baker Mayfield's baking thirty, he

(58:51):
shouldn't make that, he shouldn't make five. But why can't
we pay certain guys like twenty. He's just he's not
going to be able to play in the cold. Obviously.
The concussion thing is a big problem, and it's not
his fault. Like, you know, you don't control whether you

(59:12):
get concussions when you get tackled, but some of these
concussions have been avoidable if he I don't know, slid
so you know he's I respect his toughness, but at
this point he can be a little reckless when he
moves around. I just think he's dramatically overpaid. I think

(59:33):
anytime you pay a guy who is never going to
be a top ten quarterback, I don't give a shit.
What stat you give me, Your franchise kind of screwed.
With how loaded the linemen are in this class, I
don't think it would be a bad idea if the
Niners trade back to sixteen seventeen and still get one
of the top offensive linemen or defensive linemen and add

(59:56):
a third or fourth rounder. How would you approach the
draft if you were the Niners. I love a good
trade back as much as the next guy, but to
trade back, you need people to trade with you. So
I have a hard time seeing there be a player
at eleven that is worthy of a trade back. Think

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about some in recent memories, some trades you know the
Giants traded back. I think it was pick eleven with
the Bears for Justin Fields, who at the time was
what the fourth quarterback in that draft. That's not this draft.
So it's pretty rare that you're gonna get some crazy
trade at eleven. I think they would have no problem

(01:00:39):
going from like eleven to fifteen to and adding the
third round pick. I'm in agreement with you. I don't
think whoever is picking in the mid teens is trading
up because they go, what the hell's the difference? This
draft is not viewed as very good every player even that,
Like we know the Will Campbell's Ashton gents. None of
these guys are a better life. They're gonna be an

(01:01:01):
All Pro Pro bowler in the NFL, Banks Mason Graham,
the defensive lineman from Michigan, Like, all these guys could
be good. But I think there is a huge variance
on all these players. You know, we have seen great
drafts where it was like, these guys are gonna be
good players, right, the Jamar Chase Pine, Sewell Waddle, DeVante Smith. Right.

(01:01:24):
There are drafts with position players where like, these guys
are gonna be good. Now, I don't know how good,
but they're gonna be good. I don't think this draft
is viewed like that. People go, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter,
they should be good players everyone else. I can't even
imagine some of the debates in these draft rooms. At
the beginning of last year, I was able to successfully

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convert my wife into a diehard Ravens fan. She was
all in. She watched every game followed all the in
season headlines and was about as emotionally invested in the
team's success as I was. We live in Houston and
she actually got us tickets to the Christmas Day game
to go watch the Ravens. Her favorite players are Hamilton

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Humphreys and of course Lamar Jackson. My wife being a
fan of my favorite team, it's like a dream come true.
We always have something to talk about or look forward to.
My question is with you getting married, do you agree
that sharing the fandom and passion of your favorite team
may not necessarily be a requirement, but it's, without a

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doubt a bonus. Uh yeah, I mean I do I
want to break down the Niners off season plans with Maria?
I mean probably not, But do we bullshit and laugh
about Instagram? And she really likes forty nine ers and

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she's invested in all the players and seeing dra Greenlaw
and Funga and all these guys leave rattle their use
check back. She's asking questions. Yeah it's cool, but like
beside football, she doesn't care at all about couldn't pay
her to watch a basketball game? I mean, take her
to a baseball games, like maybe a hot dog and

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a beer. She'd be ready to go on the third inning.
She knows way more about golf just because I have
it always on television. But there you'd have to pay
her a lot of money to watch hours of a
golf tournament, I mean, march madness. She won't watch a dribble.
I mean she just doesn't really care. So you could

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argue that like that she does like football. It is cool.
I actually got a Texas Morning from a guy named
Andy Reid who had said, you know, congrats, congrats on
getting married. He said he was proud of me, and
I said, essentially, thank you. She's a big football fan,
and he essentially said, well, that's a must, And it

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is true, like when you do something like I do,
and football is a huge part of my life. It
definitely is cool that she likes it. But I would
say that even if let's say she like the Packers
instead of the Niners or the Cowboys like that, that'd
be cool enough for me. I get in your situation that, like,
if you're watching, you know, the game every week, especially

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if you don't live in that area, it's definitely cool
to have her invested. And it's just it's almost like
sharing a show. Right, when you share a good series
or something to watch with someone else, like you get
invested with them and it's something to talk about. So
a football team, you know, year round, the moves, people

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get injured, the controversial shit that happens. Yeah, it's definitely.
It makes for easy conversation. Been listening to you for
a few years now, Levey takes. Now you're approaching his
topic with a different viewpoint from most. I'm currently a
college basketball coach, so loving this time of year college basketball,
but also always keep up with the NFL news and notes.
Do you think the NIL and transfer portal will impact

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a player's draft stock? For example, if a player leaves
a program every year for whatever reason, do you think
that will impact how coaches view him? I know, for
us in recruiting, if a player goes to four different
high schools in four different years, it's a major red flag.
Thanks and congrats on the winning. I talked to some
buddies about this this fall. I actually think the NIL

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is easier because I remember a question when I was
involved in it, and it was like, how will a kid
handle money? It's an impossible question to answer. If I
met every human being at twenty five that is not rich,
and said, this person is gonna become rich, how will
they handle money? You'd have to do a pretty big

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deep dive on these human beings. And even then it's
an educated guest where you have no clue. Because most
human beings, it can derail their drive, it can change
their focus, it can just expose who they really are.
And I think with these guys making millions of dollars,

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some of these kids are making seven figures. When you
go to a parking lot at Ohio State, at Texas,
at SC at any of these programs, now all the
big ones, their parking lots now look like an NFL
parking lot. These kids are rich. So it's like, yeah,
this guy worked his ass off, was never an issue football.
Nothing changed that would make me feel better. I actually

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haven't heard many stories about guys like not working as
hard because I bet if they didn't work, they wouldn't
work as hard with money as they didn't have money. Now,
I do think where it exposes guys is like you know,
I think you used to get judged if you transferred.

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I don't think anyone cares because like coaches leave all
the time for more money, scouts leave to different teams
for more money. I do business with different partners, you know,
we cancel a deal to go on with a new
partner for more money. Isn't that business? So I would
say at first that, oh, this guy's leaving program. He

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just he can't figure it out. I don't think anyone
judges that anymore. I mean, look at all the quarterbacks
last year. They not only transferred programs to the smartest
thing they ever did change their life. So I actually
think there are way more positives than negatives. And I'm
sure there are examples, not that I've heard of that.
You know, a kid got five hundred grand and he

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just didn't give a shit. But I honestly I haven't
heard many of those examples. And that's the thing with
football is it's really hard to kind of half ass it,
you know, especially in the games. So I think the
hard part is is like in the NFL, there's way

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more money in the line in the NFL, cause if
you get even if you get drafted in the third round,
second contract, if you're a good player is worth forty
fifty sixty eighty. However, millions of dollars, you know, the
nil I'm giving you five hundred grand or eight hundred
grand a car. It ain't NFL money, So you're you're
still chasing Like. I don't know about you, but for me,

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you know, when I have financial success, my mind always
goes like, well, how do we get more? Even though
like the actual tangible value of money does not like
put a smile on my face, but it's just kind
of the way, like it's my scoreboard. You know, if
you get a hundred bucks, how do we turn that
ten thousand bucks? You get thousand bucks? How you turn
that ten thousand dollars you get ten thousand bucks, one
hundred grand. You just you're kind of always chasing more.

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And I think the best people in most industries kind
of have that mindset. I think it's definitely no different football.
So I think most people have you talked to in
the NFL with the nil they kind of like it. Okay,
Last question, longtime listener, first time shooting for the mailbag.
Since I know you have such love for the Sopranos,

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I was wondering if you have ever watched Breaking Bad
and what your thoughts are on it. Uh. I think
I've watched. I remember I tried to binge it maybe years,
maybe in like twenty when there wasn't much to do
and I enjoyed it. I like the uh, what's the

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show about the dude his lawyer who broke off and
created his own show. I like that. Yeah, I mean
I would say this like Narcos, where they were they
the Netflix version of like the Pablo and El Chopo.
I like that more than like the Meth version of

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Brian Cranzen. Again, I wasn't anti the show the one
dude that has a chicken spot. But I guess my
overall take would be whenever I see people say they
Breaking Bad, I would say the same thing about mad
Men as like the greatest shows of all time. Yeah,
not for me. I'm not anti those shows I've watched.

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I would say a decent amount of both of them,
but I would say neither made me feel the way
that I see them. I would say consistently described by
the public, And you could argue, I mean, there are
parts of The Sopranos that I'm pretty boring as well.
I just like mob shows. I guess the story with

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Breaking Bad, I don't know, not that I wasn't hooked.
It just wasn't something about it. I can't really put
my finger on it. Not anti Breaking Bad, not like
a I think it's like sucks, but it wouldn't be
one of those where it's like this is my jam,

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like hell. I think The Wire, which doesn't really get
talked about out as much anymore, I think was I mean,
it's widely considered one of the best shows of all time,
but like blows away Breaking Bad, and I know that's different.
But if, like, if you told me right now, you've
got to rewatch one. I feel like I've seen The

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Wire like three or four times. I would rather watch
that than Breaking Bad. Okay, audios, people see it the
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