3 & Out - Aaron Rodgers is MARRIED, CJ Stroud is THROWING, Shemar Stewart goes OFF

John talks about Aaron Rodgers' first day in Pittsburgh how he has been very fortunate to be able to play with the organizations that he's played with. Next, he dives into the latest with Kirk Cousins, CJ Stroud, and Anthony Richardson and what we can expect from them this off-season. Later, John discusses Shemar Stewart's comments and how the Bengals appear to have major issues going on in their organization.

Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.

4:58 - Aaron Rodgers is practices

14:49 - Cousins is at mini-camp

17:47 - CJ Stroud is throwing

19:33 - Shemar Stewart goes off

28:43 - Mailbag

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
What is happening? Aaron Rodgers acknowledges he's married because he's

(00:25):
the new quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Dave a press conference.
They had a practice today. You saw the backdrop of
the Pittsburgh Steelers. Rogers is living pretty well. You know,
he had a little bump in the road with the
Jets for a couple of years, but eighteen plus years
with the Packers. Now the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
he's not messing with the little old brands. So we'll
dive into Aaron Rodgers now with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Obviously,

(00:49):
I would say the biggest non Rogers story is TJ. Watt,
who is the Steelers' best player. No shows and I
immediately google what's his contract status? Well, it's a lot
sure of his contract and he's so twenty million dollars
and he's a free agent after this year. So like
most people that are not attending these mandatory mini camps,

(01:09):
or a guy like James Cook who says, I'm basically
just here so I don't get fined. It's all about
the money, baby, and nothing can put a smile on
any human's face faster than cash. And when you play
in the NFL and you're looking for a payday, when
that payday comes, it's usually for a lot of money
when you're a good player. So we will dive into
that situation. Some other stuff around the NFL from Kirk Cousins,

(01:31):
who showed up as well. He didn't want to get fined.
Chamar Stewart, the first round pick for the Bengals, gave
some quotes. At first I didn't even believe them, but
they were actually his quotes. And yeah, a couple other
things around the league. But before we dive in to
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(03:01):
it was inevitable. The news broke last week. Now he's
actually on the field and practicing along with his teammates,
and it did kind of hit me when you see
the decal of the Pittsburgh Steelers behind him. And listen,
we can be critical of the Pittsburgh Steelers, but we
all acknowledge high level organization and just they know what
they're doing. I mean a huge part of their lack

(03:23):
of success in the playoffs has been I mean last
year the defense was shitting down the stretch to they
had some injuries, but the quarterback position, and I don't
necessarily think of forty one year old Aaron Rodgers is
fixing that, especially when you got to go through Josh Allen, Patrick,
mahomes Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, like you're going to be
at a disadvantage Herbert with Harbaugh. But like I totally

(03:44):
understand why the Pittsburgh Steelers did it right, and if
I was them, I would rather have Aaron Rodgers at
forty one than Russell Wilson. And their infatuation with Justin
Fields was always a little weird given that they benched
him last year. So I take a little bit with
the grand assault like they really wanted him back as
what like a hybrid backup slash runner. Did they want

(04:06):
him to make him their starter? I don't necessarily believe that,
But overall, seeing Rogers in the Pittsburgh Steelers colors, I
will say this about his situation last year, because two
years ago didn't count. Terror's Achilles, whatever fight plays in
most human beings, myself included, most of you listening, most

(04:27):
people that play in the NFL, most people that work
on Wall Street, most people that work in Hollywood, most
people that work in music, you name it, whatever industry
you may be in. Cannot overcome dysfunction, cannot overcome a
poorly run operation, cannot overcome an owner being insane. Most

(04:49):
of us cannot do that. And for most people, you
would get eating up and spitting out and have a
poor experience. And look at the Jets. They have been
consistently losing now for a decade and a half. It's
not by accident. They've had different players, they've had different coaches,
they've had different gms, the same fucking result over and

(05:11):
over and over. There's a small percentage of people that
you can put them somewhere and they can overcome everything
and just succeed. I know in my own experience, definitely,
in my younger days, I had no shot. If it
was not a well run operating at a high level,
I could fit in and ideally shape in and be

(05:31):
a successful contributing member to whether it be an NFL team,
a radio station, a podcast network, you name it. But
when there is a guy at leading the helm that
does not know what he's doing, I'm going to have
a problem. And I think most people listening can relate
to that. It goes for our personal lives as well.
You put someone in his functional home, you put someone

(05:52):
in a dysfunctional relationship, it usually does not go well.
And I think Aaron Rodgers is a good example. For
eighteen years he played for the Green Bay Packers, which
is easily one of the most well run operations, not
just in American pro sports, you could argue in American business.
They have been good for thirty plus years now in

(06:15):
a highly competitive industry where parody is the norm, and
they constantly figure it out because they've had a hierarchy
of people from coaches and gms that know what they're doing,
and obviously they've gotten the quarterback position right. But he
is a good example of someone that was drafted in

(06:36):
the mid twenties that got to go to a place
that knew what they were doing, and obviously he's a
very talented player, one of the most talented players in
the history of the NFL, and excelled there at the
highest level. Then he went to the New York Jets. No, granted,
he's not in the prime of his career and last
year's coming off a major injury, but it was a disaster.

(06:58):
Let's face it. It wasn't embarrassment. People are getting fired
left and right. They were losing game after game after
game after game. Stories are flying all over the place,
the owners all over the place, and it was a joke.
Guess who was not used to that? Aaron Rodgers. Why
because he's never experienced that. It's why when I was
talking with Colin yesterday, I'm pro Aaron Rodgers. I've seen

(07:22):
him play live throughout the course of his career. He's
one of the best athletes in any sport I've ever seen.
And I've been lucky enough over the last fifteen years
to go to a lot of different sporting events, from
the NBA to Major League Baseball, to professional golf to
obviously the NFL. I've seen some of the greatest players
over the last fifteen to twenty years in sports, and

(07:45):
the best row I've ever seen live was a candlestick
Aaron Rodgers. Jordan Nelson. I've seen him make some incredible
plays live. I was working for the Philadelphia Eagles the
year that he won the Super Bowl, and I'm pretty
sure he threw three touchdowns game to a guy named
James Jones who wasn't very fast, but somehow torchs the
Birds and James Starks, if I remember correctly, had a

(08:08):
big game as well. But I think when you look
at this situation of Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers,
like he's in a place that just kind of knows
what they're doing, and he's in a stable environment where
he's proven that if you've put him before, he can
have success. So do I think that this team is

(08:29):
much different than they were last year? I don't. But
do I think that we're going to get a better
version of the guy that we saw if we just
assume Aaron Rodgers. He's no longer a ten out of
ten athletically, his ability to add lib is nowhere near
what it once was. But are we going to get
the best version of the forty one year old Aaron Rodgers? Yes,

(08:51):
because with the Jets, I don't believe you would get that. Now. Listen,
I got married a couple months ago, pretty big moment
in my life, just like for most people in my life,
whether it be my brother, other family members, my friends,
my now wife's friends, anyone's I've ever dated their friends.
A wedding is a pretty big deal, and I listen.

(09:12):
I don't know that many quote unquote famous people, but
whether you're famous or not, it's usually not something that
you hide from. I mean, we just saw Josh Allen,
who I would say is, if not the best one
of that means the reigning MVP, one of the best
players in the NFL and obviously a future Hall of
Famer and a guy that if they can figure it

(09:35):
out as a team and play some better defense in
some of these playoff games, I think can be a
super Bowl champion. But he just got married. It was
like to some grand secret. So it's a little weird,
but that's part of it, like part of what you
get with Aaron Rodgers a little weird, but like with
the Pittsburgh Steelers, like Russell Wilson, is way more bizarre,
and it felt at least, you know is play let

(09:58):
them down, but he wasn't able to act. He get
acted before, you know. So I do think that the
stable organization Mike Tomlin the Pittsburgh Steelers brand. I think
it'll be good for Rogers. Now, do I picking this
team to win fourteen fifteen games? I'm not do. I
think more likely they will be a one and done
playoff team, assuming that Rogers can play I don't know,

(10:21):
fifteen sixteen games, like, I mean, if he's only playing
nine games he has an injury, they would be f't
right if you tell me he plays ninety ninety five
percent of the games. Yeah, I think they will be
a very competitive team. Their defense, you know, Harmon the
guy they just drafted. I think their defensive coordinator said
today he's a starter. You can put that in sharpie.

(10:42):
I love the running back they took in the third
round from Iowa, Caleb Johnson. So yeah, I mean, I
would say the Steelers' biggest issue is not Aaron Rodgers,
it's TJ. Watt, and I think they have no choice.
And this situation reminds me a little last year with
the forty nine Ers. When all your chips are in
the middle of the table and your best player or

(11:04):
one of your best players is going to be a
free agent or wants a raise, what are you gonna do?
You're not gonna act like the Bengals and play hardball,
even if you do want to do that, And like,
I don't think it's just an easy decision to be like, yeah,
here's one hundred million dollars to a guy that's going
to be thirty one.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I texted some of my buddies in the league that
are pro scouts that are dialed in on how good
everyone is, and I got from multiple guys said, listen,
I still think he's damn good. And I understand he's
a little bit older, but when you factor in the leadership,
I mean, he's the heartbeat of the franchise. Is he
going to be a twenty sack guy over the course

(11:44):
of the next couple of years. Probably not. But if
he's durable and he's on the field and he's giving
you twelve to fifteen sacks pressure rate and what he
means to your franchise, you know, it's hard to sometimes
it's not as easy to quantify that. And like, if
I were the Steelers, I'd be trying to like, hey,
i'll give you a two year extension sixty million dollars

(12:09):
on top of the twenty this year, So that's like
eighty million dollars guarantee fifty sixty million dollars. He'd probably
laugh at that, But I always am a little uncomfortable
older guys gets giving them huge contracts. But I don't
think they have a choice, and I think TJ knows it,
And let's face it, he's got him by the balls
a little bit because of the situation they're in. That

(12:29):
not that this year is a Gopher broke because it's
not Super Bowl or bust, but I do think anything
less than a playoff victory, at least internally in that organization,
will be viewed as a letdown. So listen to the Steelers.
Now they got Rogers are gonna be they were last
year with Russell Wilson one of the more fascinating stories
in the league. A couple other quick things Kirk Cousins. Listen,

(12:52):
it's a it's a bizarre situation. Obviously, if they would
have the ability to take back the contract that they
gave him last year, they would. They made a mistake.
But when you make mistakes on high character guys, these
situations are just more seamless. Like Cousins is there today
simply because he doesn't want to give away one hundred

(13:14):
thousand dollars, don't blame them. James Cook literally said as much.
I'm here because I like my money. I would never
give away whether I was a guy making fifteen million
dollars a year, whether I was a guy making thirty
million dollars a year. Definitely, obviously the lower paid guys
one hundred thousand dollars. That is moronic, especially because these
rules you can't get that money back. But I think Cousins,

(13:37):
if you're gonna be in this weird situation because he
doesn't really have a trademarket, no one is trading for
Kirk Cousins until there is a major injury. And anytime
that you're in that situation as the team with the player,
it's out of your control. What if there are no
major injuries. You know, once upon a time the Eagles
benefited because Teddy Bridgewaters leg snapped in that practice. If

(13:58):
that hadn't happened, they say Sam Bradford, they wouldn't have
been able to trade him, right, Not that they were
even in the looking to trade him. But my point
is they would love to trade Kirk Cousins, and they
I'm sure would eat some of the money. But there's
just no market for him currently. Now that could change
in August, but it also could not. And if they
are stuck in this situation, which is not ideal because

(14:21):
you don't want people answering the questions, this is where
character and Cousin's gonna say all the right things. And
sometimes this, I would say, gets thrown out a little
too liberally, like be a pro, Like what does that
even mean? Like this is a guy who truly understands that,
and it's also a guy who's seen a lot of shit.
I mean, just think about the way that he came
into the league, and I think that will benefit him

(14:44):
greatly because he saw the RG three situation with different
coaches and a little like Rogers was with Love. Obviously
he was mad they drafted Jordan Love. And I don't
even blame him for that, even if he was technically misguided.
It's like, Bro, you didn't play that well, that's the
reason they If you would have balled out, they wouldn't
have done it. You know. It's like, yeah, you wanted
them to take a wide receiver, Well your play made

(15:06):
them a little nervous. And you know, Cousins and Rogers
clearly and Jordan Love have a really good relationship and
by all accounts, handled it like a true professional because
of the way that him and far have went through it,
you know, a decade plus earlier. And I think Cousins
having had a front row seat and just a weird
situation to start a career, I think he's gonna be

(15:27):
really good with Penix if he is stuck there. And
to me, him being stuck there is really more of
a reflection of like, if they don't win, I just
don't see how these guys survive. And I feel bad
because I'm a big Michael Penix guy. That yeah, man,
I just I don't know. I don't I don't see
it going well. CJ. Stroud is throwing, which listen, I

(15:52):
get nervous when I saw Trevor Lawrence is having armed fatigue.
I don't know if that's because guys throw less now
if guys throw more now now, you know when I
say like, what do you mean throw less? Why? Just
mean like they take a bunch of time off and
then they start throwing really heavy and it's just really
intense on their elbow or their shoulder. You know. Anthony
Richson obviously has had the shoulder injury before. But at

(16:14):
any time, you know, an elbow or a shoulder is
not feeling right and you have to sit out practices
in OTAs like I call me like overreactor, but I'm
gonna like red flag a little bit. So seeing that
he came back like that's that's a pretty big sign
of relief. Because on the other side, like I saw
a headlined the day that you know, ideally, uh, Anthony

(16:35):
Richmond is ready to go for training camp, but there's
no guarantee. I mean he's already seen him second specialists
and we'll just have to see how that plays out.
Like you guys know where I stand. I feel pretty
confident in the Daniel Jones, Like if I'm a betting man,
Daniel Jones gonna be starting week one, and I think
at the end of the day, we'll have to see
how this plays out with the uh you know, obviously
Ers passes away, his daughters are now in full control

(16:58):
what their real relationship is with Chris Ballard. I mean
he's been there a long time. They don't make the
playoffs ever, now, if Anthony Richinson fails and Daniel Jones
doesn't work out and their seven to eight win team
and they have a high priced roster and it's just
not working out. Does he get fired? And if you
fire him, do you have to fire Shane Stiching? Because
if you fire the GM and you bring in another GM,

(17:18):
do you force him to work with the coach? Even
if people think pretty highly of Shane Stike And we've
just seen this kind of song and dance before, then
when not everyone's on the same timeline, things can get really,
really weird. So that's that's definitely a big story to
watch once we get to training camp. And last but
not least, Shamar Stewart fired back today. I'm one hundred
percent right, it should be a no brainer. In Trey's case,

(17:42):
it should be a no brainer too. I'm not asking
for nothing y'all have never done before. But y'all meaning
the Bengals just want to win arguments more than winning games.
In my opinion, I thought that was ai when I
saw that that quote, I'm like, wa wait, this rookie is
already talking shit about his contract situation. I just think

(18:06):
the Bengals man, for whatever reason, we've talked a lot
about this just we could find a lot of really
really rich people that are really really cheap and for
rugal it's a disease. And the Bengals aren't the richest
team in the NFL, but they have a franchise that
is worth billions of dollars. Yet they are still obsessed

(18:26):
that this is not the number one overall pick in
the draft either, Skuy, I think they had a seventeenth
overall pick. So what type number are you talking? Guaranteed dollars? Fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen million dollars that in the grand scheme of things,
in a two hundred and fifty million dollar cap is
a tiny, tiny number. I mean, we're talking a nominal
amount of money relative to your football operations. And this

(18:49):
is what you're arguing over. Especially, It's like it'd be
one thing if this guy was asking for something that
had never been done based on precedent of the slot.
Last year, same player, exact same thing. So I think
the Bengals, man, this is it's really we talked about
this with the Rogers. It's amazing what Joe Burrow's done.

(19:10):
It really is that Joe Burrow pulled that franchise to
a super Bowl. Zack Taylor seems like a nice guy,
probably pretty average coach, at best right that they let
go of multiple guys. Their defense wasn't nearly the same
because a couple of years ago, we're talking about Lou
Amaruno interviewing for head coaching jobs and then he just

(19:30):
forgets how to coach overnight. No fucking chance. Their team's
not us good. I mean, they had a guy that
with twenty sacks and their defense was atrocious. So I
think low Amaruno is pretty good coach. And Carson Palmer,
once upon a time, I don't pretend to know the
guy very well, did meet him and spend a night
talking a lot of football with him, and obviously, like
most people that like football that are my age, followed

(19:53):
his career for a long time. Carson Palmer is a
really really high level guy. Impressive guy. Like he didn't
just quit on the Bangal because he's like, ah, this
is just I don't really want to be here. It's
like organization was a joke. I mean it really was.
They're one of the their teams. They use their coaching
staff as scouts white because they don't want a big
scouting staff. They want to control the costs. Their mindset

(20:16):
because the team has been in the family for so long,
still operates much more like it's the seventies or eighties. Like, guys,
it's not that time anymore. The television deal gives you
four hundred and twenty five million dollars. Why are you
getting into an argument with this player over this. I've
defended them on the Hendricks trade thing. It's a little
more complicated, but this is what the fuck are we doing?

(20:38):
To have a rookie say that. I was like, damn,
I don't even blame him. I mean it feels pretty
confident in stance though. So yeah, it's a wild times
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Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay, let's do the mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John
Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms, get your
questions answered here on the show. With the NBA and
the NHL in full swing, which of the major four
North American sports leagues is it's the hardest to win.
In my opinion, it's the Stanley Cup. Maybe I'm biased

(24:05):
former pro hockey player, but you got eighty two games
in a fast and physical sport, an additional twenty eight
playoff games. Guys don't limit their playing time like they
do in the NBA, up to three games a week,
with no buys like the NFL and smaller rosters. Obviously,
it's hard to win any of them when you just
look at the nature of the sport. If you're the

(24:27):
one seed, if you're the one seed now in the NFL,
you're the only team that gets a buy, you get
two home games, and then you get a week off
for the Super Bowl. So if you just based on
like obviously it's hard to win the Super Bowl. But
the path just in terms of the activity the regular
season in football, like you said in hockey is hard

(24:49):
because of seventeen games. If you're a good team, you're
playing a lot of like short weeks Thursday nights. But
once you get to the playoffs, you get that bye week.
I think the playoff is easier. Obviously in basketball and
hockey you have seven game series starting right away, so
to have seven game series, seven game series, seven game
series just to make it to the finals. There was

(25:12):
a fight. I'm recording this on Tuesday, the fight in
the Stanley Cup finals. I mean Florida was beating the
crap out of Edmonton. Well that been Game three. I
mean there was like seventy five fights. But you know
in baseball, that first game now or that first series five,
it's five, seven to seven. I think the NBA, you
could argue because of the the regular season is way easier.

(25:35):
So if you factor in the regular season in hockey,
I don't I mean, I can't speak from like knowledge,
It's not like I'm watching it. If I take you
at your word that the regular season is difficult, because
you'd say the hardest regular season, I mean, baseball is
a grind. But if you're a good team like the
Yankees or the Dodgers. You're just so much better than
most teams you're playing. It's a lot of action, but

(25:56):
it's not like the strenuous nature of football. The regular
season the hardest in football. You could argue the playoffs
in the NBA or the NHL or the hardest in baseball.
You just need you need to have a good bullpen.
And there's a randomness to baseball. I would say in
the playoffs sometimes with timely hitting. Listen, I'm a Giants fan.

(26:17):
Cody Ross took Doc Halliday deep in Game one in
the NFCS, Travis y Chakaw. You get random guys with
some big home runs in a baseball series. Typically, obviously
you need your good players. So I'd go basketball or hockey.
The playoff runs the hardest. The regular season in football
is the most difficult. Hockey is just hard. As a

(26:40):
blue blood football fan or big program guy, you seem
to mention Minnesota randomly a lot as a second tier program.
Are you starting to row the boat? Also? What is
the outside perspective of PJ Fleck? Majority loves him in Minnesota,
but he always gets so much hate outside the program.
I don't even have I ever mentioned Minnesota college football

(27:03):
shows you. So maybe I'm just talking. I don't even
know what I'm saying. Second tier program. I think we'd
have to hash it out. How many first tier programs
do we have? Ten? Right, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, LSU, Georgia, Texas, Oregon,

(27:26):
Penn State, Notre Dame. I'm talking financially pay coaches now,
pay players are just gonna be good always, regardless who
the coach is. Like if Ryan Day left tomorrow, Ohio
State get another sweet coach, Saban retires, they hired to
board that just takes Washington to the national championship. So

(27:47):
our numbers at what seven eight? I don't think i'd
put them in the second tier. I'd probably have it
was a third tier. And I'm not even trying to
talk shit. I would say seems a little cheesy to me,
but clearly solid roof bald guys. So I don't really

(28:08):
have I'm probably close to and different on PJ. Fleck
than I am, like having some take I don't. I mean,
I don't really think that much about them. When I
think about college football. It's hard. I would say those
type jobs when you're in the Big Ten or the
SEC and you are tasked with, like we don't have

(28:31):
the resources and we're just not Like listen, we can
talk about money all we want, and obviously it matters
a lot, but like the best teams are still the
teams getting the best players because they got the most money.
Like Ohio State was good when you had to pay
guys under the table. They're now good win ANIL and
they're now good with paying the team if there's a
salary cap. Right, Georgia will be the same. Text is

(28:52):
going to be the same sc in theory if they
get the right coach. If Lincoln maybe's that guy, we'll
find out Oregon, like these teams, the good teams are
gonna say the good teams, right. Obviously, Ole Miss is
spending a lot of money. I think as a whole,
the SEC has more money because of the last whatever,
a couple decades of saving. But yeah, I would say

(29:15):
you also gotta have realistic expectations, right, Like what Lane
Kiffin's done in the last couple of years is remarkable.
You win ten games at all Miss, You're a fucking
legend in that program. But after a couple of years,
like okay, time to make the final four, Like no
we're probably not making the final four here. There's nothing
wrong with.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
That, right.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you have back to back eight win seasons at Minnesota,
that's great. Like the expectations at Ohio State and Michigan
and Penn State are just gonna be different than you guys.
But once you win a couple eight game seasons, I'll
pull up PJ flex record. People start going okay, time
to win ten and obviously based on your schedule we
saw with Indiana last year, you can manipulate it. He's

(29:56):
for god PG flex pretty young, pg flex forty four
he became a head coach and God he became a
head coach really really young at Western Michigan. He was
a wide receiver coach twenty twelve at Tampa Bay. How
many wins the last couple of years. I mean they
were eight and five last year. I think that's a
pretty good year. A lot of nine and four, nine

(30:18):
and four. I think he's pretty good. I mean, two
things on the what if trend. As a Seattle Seahawk fan,
we got John Snyder recorded an incredible interview with him yesterday.
He'll be on the pod next week. Big what if
would be Percy Harvin. He was one of the most

(30:39):
dynamic athletes I've ever seen. He could run, catch, and return. However,
the injury after injury and battling migraines his whole career,
he was often left on the sideline, also playing with
I feel what were journeyman quarterbacks. He still ended up
with four thousand receiving yards, one thousand rushing yards, and
four thousand return yards in twenty two touch I'm in

(31:01):
agreement with the Packer fans who mentioned the quarterback method
of drafting, which is why I will give a different
view of the Falcon signing Kirk Cousins for all that
money and still drafting Pennix. I don't see everyone. I
don't see why everyone is bashing the move. It's genius.
This is a quarterback league. Everyone always says do whatever

(31:22):
it takes, not to mention to sit behind Geno Smith.
I personally wanted Pennix to sit behind Geno learn how
to play. Here's the thing, I'm all for drafting or
signing a guy like Cousins if I'm gonna draft JJ McCarthy.
You know when the forty nine Ers had Jimmy Garoppolo
and they drafted Trey Lance, who was a project. Obviously

(31:42):
the guy couldn't play. But you get my thought on
the method of like, we have a veteran who's a
high character guy sit behind. Michael Penix was a twenty
five year old, plug and play player. There was no sitting.
He wasn't Jordan Love. This wasn't a project. I'm a
Michael Penix fan. I think he's gonna be good and
obviously you improve as you play in the NFL. But

(32:05):
Michael Penix, it was not a project. Michael Penix was
a plug and play player. So to me, if you're
gonna draft Michael Pennix, you would not sign Kirk Cousins. Now,
I'm not opposed to signing a veteran, but like a
ten million dollar Andy Dalton or something, and maybe have
them compete just it's football competitions healthy. But to me,

(32:27):
a Kirk Cousins with Michael Penix makes no sense. And
this gets back to and I get it they had
a new coaching staff, but part of the situation it
was chaotic. If they would have known they loved Michael Pennix,
I promise you this, they would not have signed Kirk Cousins.
But their draft process was all out of whack and

(32:50):
they fell in love with Michael Pennix in April. Typically
you knew. I bet the Minnesota Vikings were pretty high
on JJ McCarthy in January, in February, and listen, some
of it is just you have new coaching staff come in,
but just a poor operation because they would like to
have a do over on that one. They just would

(33:12):
question for the pod. When talking about players in the draft,
you always see comparisons they give and fans go crazy.
My question is when they give a comparison, are they
saying this is the ceiling of the player or are
they comparing play styles? I always thought it was just
the play style. Yeah, it's typically the play style. So
if you're like in a draft room and your GM goes,

(33:35):
you know, who does this guy remind you of? And
you go, you know, he he runs a lot like
Alvin Kamara. You're not saying he's going to be necessarily
Alvin Kamara. You're just saying the way he runs, the
way he cuts his ability to catch the ball. Obviously,
ideally you want him to be like that player. I remember,

(33:56):
like when I was scouting, I remember comparing Robert Woods
to Reggie Wayne Obviously Robert Woods is not as good
as Reggie Wayne, but just in terms of possession, receiver
will go over the middle. You know, Robert Wood's really
good in college. But I think it's you gotta be
careful because the ones, the ones on TV are usually

(34:22):
like the guy reminds me of Jerry Rice. You know.
Now here's the other thing, Like he has similar career
numbers as Christian McCaffrey. Like, you're just saying he has
the same numbers in college as this player, right, Ashton Genty,
he was twenty yards away from Barry Sanders. You're not
saying he's Barry Sanders. You're just saying they had comparable

(34:42):
junior years in college. Right, So I think if you right,
this is his ceiling, this is his floor, then obviously
you're saying that. But I think most times this edge
rusher reminds me of Leonard Floyd or TJ. Watt or whoever, right,
And that's that typically is what it is, the problem though,

(35:06):
is when I go, you know, he's got he's got
ball skills, He's got elite ball skills. Right, He's let's
say he's a safety. You're like Earl Thomas ed Reed
you know whatever, you start saying that, that's what people
start comparing that player to fair or not. Most people

(35:28):
should be good. Like here, let's use cam Ward as
an example. You watch cam Ward ad lib make different throws,
different platforms, throws on the run. That guy, he kind
of reminds me of the way Patrick Mahomes played at
Texas Tech. But when you say that, everyone goes, you're
comparing to Patrick Mahomes, and you go, no, I'm comparing

(35:49):
him to his play style, to Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech,
not the guy that's won a couple MVPs and Super Bowls,
right like Baker Mayfield. I thought at Oklahoma my comparison
was like, I think he could be a version of
Drew Brees. And then early on you're like, this guy's
already benched. It's hard. I mean, it's not easy, especially

(36:12):
because most guys are never gonna live up to the
Most guys are gonna be like rotational starters, not impact players.
And if you do put your nuts online, right, you
love a guy and you go, hey, this is the
next Von Miller, and you're right, you look like a genius.
As a fellow follically challenged gentlemen, it's great to see

(36:33):
another aerodynamic dude with advancements in AstroTurf. Have you ever
been tempted to glue one of those hair systems on
your dome? I often found myself looking at them on
Instagram in the wee hours of the morning. If my
wife would faint, if I came home looking like a
jet black Elvis, I would say this. I've known a

(36:56):
couple people in my life that have got hair transplants
and uh not gone to Turkey, but in America. And
if you could get like my hair when I did
have it, I would say was average before I started
falling out, it was thick. But I didn't have like
you know, I don't know, just Brad Pitt flow. If

(37:19):
you could give me Elite flow. The look I always
wanted was the pat Riley slick back. If you could
give me that, I would contemplate it. Am I gonna
pay one hundred thousand? I've been balled for fifteen years?
I guess twenty eleven. Yeah, I mean thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years,
so it's like I'm not If it was a cheap fix,

(37:40):
I would contemplate it. She says, I don't have to though,
but hey, I'm always opening new looks. Do you think
we'll see a big change in the way that Jim
Irsy's daughters run the Colts or do you see them
picking up where they were he left off. It's kind

(38:00):
of the great unknown. Paul Allen died several years ago
and is a Jody Allen has been running the team,
and obviously John Schneider still there. So I think the
biggest question mark with the Colts moving forward is if
they missed the playoffs for however many straight years and
this quarterback situation goes, like most of us are going

(38:22):
to predict, it's going to go not great. What happened?
Do they fire Chris Ballard? Because it does feel and
maybe Chris Ballard would dispute this that him and Jim
Mersay were really close and Jim Mersay believed in him,
and rightfully so, I mean, he own the team, he
likes him. I don't blame him. He wants to keep
him around. I don't think Chris Ballard's bad at his job,

(38:43):
but the quarterback situation has simply not worked out. And
I think when you look at kind of this scenario
of what's going to happen, you go. If it's pretty
ugly at quarterback, you have to think that Chris Ballard's
gonna be in trouble. Now. I'll what if Daniel Jones

(39:06):
turns into Alex Smith year one, Jim Harbaugh, the Colts
win ten eleven games, they're in the playoffs, maybe gets
an extension. Maybe Daniel Jones our quarterback, because that was
back to the comparisons, the Daniel Jones comp when he
was coming out whenever, seven, eight, nine years ago, maybe
not that long ago, but twenty sixteen seventeen was like

(39:26):
Alex Smith with the Chiefs, like that was his comp
which if your team's good, a solid player, but it
shows you like even when your comps aren't Josh Allen
or Lamar Jackson or you know, Justin Herbert, if it's
just like, hey, I could be the next Kirk Cousins
or Dak Prescott. Do you know good that guy is?
How good it is? How hard it is to be

(39:48):
Dak Prescott or Kirk Cousins in their prime? Ninety quarterbacks
aren't gonna do that because if those guys are quarterback
eight nine, ten, eleven, kind of that range, do you
know how hard it is to become that one of
the top twelve quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm guilty of
this too, but it shows you like no one has.

(40:10):
There is no such thing in the draft as a
high floor, and it gets used a lot. I'm guilty
of it because everyone can suck, especially some of these
positions are a lot of it is out of your control.
Like you can't tell me that Zach Bond just all

(40:30):
of a sudden got good at football. He's playing, he's
out of position, he's with a team that's going through
some weird shit, and he just gets fangio and he
becomes an All Pro. There are probably a lot of
those guys in the NFL, and there are a lot
of guys that maybe are good that if you put
them in crappy situations, might not be good. So there

(40:52):
are so many variables at play that Daniel Jones a
good example because I remember doing a podcast when Daniels
Zones got drafted. Like most people, I'm like, that's insane.
They took the guy six overall. And I have a
good friend who I think is widely considered a really
high end NFL scout slash. He's an executive technically now,

(41:14):
I was like, Bro, I like this player. I think
he's good. I think you're wrong on this. I'll never
forget one of my best buddies in the league. I
used to shit on Josh Allen in college. I'm like,
you're telling me this guy fifty percent completion percentage at
Wyoming and uh. One of my good buddies who's got
a lot of rings on his finger, was like, Uh, Bro,

(41:36):
this guy can play. This guy's gonna be good. I
promise you, like I would change my tune on him
three four years later. I mean, it's one of the
best players in the league. So it's just it's what
makes this kind of thing hard is you're dealing with
human beings, and most of these guys, whether you play linebacker,

(41:56):
whether you play quarterback, whether you play wide receiver, the scheme,
who's coaching you, the organization. We just talked about it
earlier on the pod with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers like, listen,
is he twenty fourteen? Aaron Rodgers, Of course not, but
I bet he looks a lot better. If you placed
that version last year with Kyle Shanahana Sean McVay, then

(42:17):
you do on the new York jets. I mean it
just promise you probably looks better, probably feels a little
bit more normal. You put most people on the jets,
they look crappy.

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Speaker 1 (42:47):
Have you ever played half Moon Bay at the Ritz
playing tomorrow just seeing how the course is? Yeah, I
played with my dad a long long time ago when
I was young. It's awesome. I mean it's right there
on the water, cool course. I would imagine the Hotel
Ritz half Moon Bay on the water pretty sick. Pretty sure.
I haven't been down there in a long long time.

(43:08):
But like for those of you this, we're talking California,
Northern California, this thing called Mavericks, which is like the
big break they have like big wave surfing. You know,
given the right time of year with these big I
could be getting my surfing terms off swells because there's
like a reef the way it like breaks. It just

(43:31):
creates these waves like forty to fifty sixty feet, it's dangerous.
People die. It's also like some of the beside, like
South Africa. In some areas in Australia, I think some
of the most populated area for great white sharks. So
you have a reef that a fifty foot wave can
slam you in, and you also have great white sharks

(43:52):
that live there. So yeah, that's where I want to surf.
Sounds fun, glad. I never like surfing because not a
big ocean guy. Too many risks. Do you think the
Texans can be a Super Bowl threat if we figure
out the offensive line. I feel like we have the weapons,
running game and top defense. We just need to protect CJ.
I think if he has time in the pocket like

(44:14):
Hurts or Goff, he could be scary and we could
be a legit AFC contender. I picked you guys to
be the number one seed last year, eight to one.
I remember feeling pretty damn good about that show Gambley's Risky.
You know, you feel confident, and all of a sudden
you're like, what is going on? Uh? I don't know
who said this, but I heard someone say this. I'm like,

(44:35):
I wonder if I was a year early and now,
like last year, I wasn't alone. Most people were all
over the Texans, and then this year everyone's kind of
going to be off them. I can see that people
picking other teams in that division. I would guess the
Jags will be like a hipster pick. I think the
Titans could be like a really really hipster pick. Is

(44:58):
this year the Texans a lot better? Now you traded
your best offensive lineman you signed. I think it's official
by the time of record. Chubb is now you're you know,
one of your running backs? Uh, you lose what's his name?
Who was a really really good player to just a
devastating injury in Tankdale. But defense should be elite. I
mean Will Anderson's just I think gonna be one of

(45:20):
the better players in the league for a long time.
Might not be like von Miller, Miles Garrett high end,
but just every single year I was about to check
did Will Anderson make the Pro Bowl? And then you know,
I shit on people from like you don't necessarily know
if they make the Pro Bowl or not. He uh,
he made the Pro Bowl as a rookie. He didn't

(45:42):
make it last year. What would you do in my situation?
I'm thirty two year old, thirty two years old, single
going on thirty three in Fort Lauderdale. I want to
work for myself and have freedom long term. I already
decided that question is what do I do now? Current
full time job plush door dashing on the side still

(46:02):
doesn't cover my monthly expenses, credit card, debt, minimum payments. Yes,
learn my lesson need to act fast. Job is soul
crushing and I only have energy for one of these
short term options. One either go all in, find a
better paying job to stabilize myself financially, and then work

(46:22):
on my side hustle my escape plan, even though the
thought of that pains me with another job, or say efitt,
quit my current job without another and figure out myself
thirty to forty pro PTO cash out buffer than I'm aft.
I'm in debt and no savings, burnt out, but disciplined

(46:45):
and ready to do what it takes. Not getting any younger.
I mean, bro, you're thirty two, You're still pretty young.
I would say this, I don't know what your side
hustle or the thing that you actually you want to
work for yourself. You know what that is, right, So
if you already have that and you know this could
be something, then you can just attack that and go

(47:07):
all in, because if you're already in debt, you might
as well just go all in on that thing. But
the way that you laid it out, you do not
know what that thing is, because if you don't, you
just quit everything. You don't necessarily know what you're going toward.
I would say, listen, it's you gotta be careful these

(47:30):
days because credit card debt, these interest rates can get
pretty out of control fast. I think you're best assuming
you don't know what you want to do. I would
try to find a better paying job and just stabilize
your life a little bit, and it helps you think
clearer because you also have to be able to put

(47:52):
some sort of value on. If you have a job
that isn't paying you enough and you hate it, think
about the returns that giving you negatively and setting you back.
Your life's miserable. It's not like you're making enough money
to like be like ah, I can just suck it up.
That's taking a lot out of you as a human being.
So I would just try. If you don't have your

(48:13):
side hustle or what you envision doing working for yourself
figured out, or maybe that's let's just say a fluid situation.
Try to find a better, more stabilized, higher paying job,
and then from there you can kind of take a
deep breath and maybe be a little happier. But this

(48:34):
is why I always give advice to people when you're young,
you know, in your twenties, when you first leave college
or leave high school. If you're not going to go
to college, try to find something you do for a
living that you enjoy. My brother's in the farming business.
He loves that shit. I know people, and also I
have a bunch of friends in sales. They love, and

(48:57):
I mean love socializing, and they crush because it comes
natural to them. Even if you don't love, like maybe
the company or even the product you're selling, If you
like what you're doing, anything you do eventually becomes a job.
What I'm doing podcasting, there are days like I don't
feel like doing this. We're all human beings, not every day.

(49:21):
Nick Saban was like fired up to go to work.
We're all humans, right, So when you enjoy doing it,
those days when you don't have it become a little easier.
Because I mean I've been lucky, I mean, I created
my own luck, but I didn't do anything I didn't
want to do. Once I left college, I just went

(49:41):
to football and said, I'm going to figure this out
because I knew my personality. If I didn't like doing
what I was doing for a living, maybe I could
have faked it in my twenties, but I knew as
I got older it would be a disaster and I
would suck at what I did because I would not care,
and I'm not talented or smart enough to fake it.

(50:05):
So my number one advice to any human being is
figure out what you like and try to map a
profession towards some sort of passion. And I think I
see some people, especially online, like push back against that,
like it's such a utopian view of the world. It
doesn't have to be like just because I fucking like

(50:27):
coloring with crayons, I'm gonna find something in that. But
you're like, no, I just mean, like, find something you enjoy,
and by the time that you're in your late teens,
in your twenties, definitely mid twenties, you have some idea
of what you like and dislike. Obviously things change as
you get older, but unless sometimes you don't really have
a choice. And life happens, but ideally you're making enough

(50:52):
coin to suck it up. Do you think teams would
entertain trading for a veteran player like Jalen Ramsey or
would teams back off seeing him coming late to Dolphins
team meetings? If you do think that, what teams do
you think would fit Jalen Ramsey the most? I think
a lot of teams would do a lot of research

(51:13):
and they'd start with Sean. They'd go, why'd you guys
pun on them? Sean? And less? He was playing well
and you guys just was just simply you were just
reshaping your cap maybe or was it like he's starting
to bother you? Because clearly he didn't respect. Mike McDaniel.

(51:34):
And I don't know Jalen Ramsey personally. I've actually never
really I don't know anyone with the Dolphins, so it's
not like I've heard these negative stories. It was just
pretty easy to put two and two together when McDaniel
was like, yeah, people show up to late to the meetings,
finds don't work. Well, you're not the guy making the
league minimum. Hell, the guy making five million dollars isn't

(51:55):
giving away twenty fifty grand when you're making twenty plus
million dollars ten fifteen grand finds, Fuck you, I don't care.
But if I don't respect you. And I've been in
this situation before professionally once in radio, and I'm sure
many people listening have been in a situation where you
work for someone and you just have zero respect. Now

(52:17):
you still do things because like, hey, the people I
work with, the people maybe on my team or partners
or whatever. I'm still gonna keep my head up and grind,
but like, it's really hard for me to be a
professional because I have no respect for that person. And
maybe there's a case he just thinks this guy's a
complete fraut. I think Mike McDaniel really knows offense. I

(52:38):
think he's an innovative guy in the run game. Do
I think he's a good head coach. I do not.
And I just wonder if Jalen Ramsey has zero respect
for and maybe it's just uncalled for and Jalen Ramsey's
completely wrong. Maybe Mike McDaniel's been wrong. I don't know.
I also think though there is a level of like,
and we've talked about this before, can you imagine even

(53:01):
if like Mike Tomlin or Jim or John Harbaugh or
Pete Carroll or Sean Payton. These guys are driving you
nuts and you're pissed off at them. You think you
show up late to a meeting, No chance, and listen,
I don't care who you are. The most punctual human
beings have days when they missed their alarm or running

(53:24):
into traffic. That's not the case here. I do think
it's a pretty big red flag around the league, especially
when you factor and he makes a lot of money.
A couple more questions. Got married last April, and the
country club we got married at threw in a free
round for me and my buddies. I had never sworn
club in my life, but I was always curious about
getting into golf, and I wasn't going to pass up

(53:47):
a free round. I ended up having a blast. The
next day was our wedding. I decided to treat myself
and bought a set of clubs. That summer, I started
playing more and more, and now I'm addicted instantly watching
videos and trying out new things to improve my game.
We've all been there. My question is next year I
turn thirty and I would like to get fitted for clubs,

(54:08):
but I am also considering getting some lessons to try
to work on some bad habits in my form, what
are some tips that you would give a new golfer
to improve their game, and if you could choose one,
would you go fitted clubs or golf lessons first? I
would go golf lessons. Before you need a splurge on clubs.
I would get a couple lessons with I would ask

(54:31):
around or use Google wherever you live and try to
find I mean, some of these lessons aren't cheap, but
maybe by like two, you know, one lesson. Sometimes a
one off situation doesn't work, so maybe get two for
two hundred or whatever the rate is, so you go
back a couple times and you kind of get a field.
This is what I'm good at. This what I'm not
good at. Before I buy clubs, especially if you're going

(54:54):
to a club, even if it's a public course, or
the guy's a PGA professional and it's been around the block.
Maybe a college golfer has a feel for like, yeah, man,
your clubs are fine. I would hesitate just got into
golf on paying for a brand new set of fitted clubs,
especially if you just bought clubs last year, I would

(55:15):
use those clubs in a lesson for a couple times,
and that guy can give you, I guess drills. I mean,
unless you're like Tiger Woods or Skys Scheffler. I mean,
for the most part, it's about setting your feet, aiming
in the right direction, getting a getting your swing dialed
and your grip dialed. You know, like drills, like are

(55:36):
you really just gonna bang the drill out three times
a week? It's one of those things that sounds good
in theory, not necessarily in reality now, like tips on
certain things with chipping or the ways to hit a
cut or a draw, for sure, but like overall drills
unless you're just an all time grinder. I think sometimes

(55:57):
as stuff gets overstated with the US casuals, which basically
everyone is besides like scratches and pros. Just finished watching
the Alcaaz Center Roland Garros final. It went five and
a half hours, instant classic and will go down as

(56:19):
one of the best matches ever, two absolute gladiators going
at it. It got me thinking, what would be your
top five most exciting edge of your seat sporting events
you have ever witnessed? If you're talking live, because I
mean just I've been alive since eighty four. I started
watching sports in ninety four, and I would say the

(56:42):
majority of big events basketball, baseball, football, golf, little tennis,
the occasional race Kentucky Derby. Like I'm a sports fan,
I've watched them, like most of you my age are
older over that time live. I went to Game seven

(57:02):
of the twenty sixteen or maybe it was fifteen whatever,
the year that the Cabs came back three to one
and Lebron James won the championship in Cleveland. It was
riveting and it's actually a pretty big regret of mine
that if I ever have the opportunity to go, you know,
to a Super Bowl, to like a national championship game,

(57:24):
to just something that has a chance, like listen, it's sports,
anything could happen. I got a little too drunk, not
that I don't remember, but it was like I didn't
need to get that intoxicating because I went to the
Super Bowl I think the next year, and that was
the year. Was that the next year, No, it might

(57:44):
have been, might have been around the same time, but
I had a huge amount of money, all relative at
the time on the Broncos to beat the Panthers, and
I had like two beers. I just wanted to soak
it in. It was a way better experience. I've been
to some playoff baseball games with the Giants when they
were really good winning World Series. They were pretty fucking incredible.

(58:05):
Playoff baseball games are pretty awesome. When you're talking like
the NLCS or alcs' it's just riveting. I've been in
some playoff football games. They're not bad. I haven't been
to like a great playoff football game. That's a good question.
Here's the reality is some events. You know, Basketball, if

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you have a good seats, it's a great television sport.
It's a good in person sport. Baseball pretty good in
person sport if you have a good seat. Football would
just much rather be at home. I mean, some of
the best football games we've ever seen from a couple
of the ELI Patriots who bowls to that Arizona Pittsburgh

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James Harrison. Play Like Football is the best television show ever.
I mean, it's Sports Taylor made for forty fift sixty
inch television. I mean, I got two people to live
in my house. I got about six Samsungs all over
the place, and when football is on, It's it's hard
to beat. I remember where I was when the kicksix

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happened Alabama Auburn. I remember my jaw hit the floor.
It was That's one of the craziest things I've ever witnessed.
I mean, that's an all time college play. I remember
being in college when Vince Young. I mean I went
to cal Poly, but we had a large contingent of
people at that school from southern California and that was

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in the heyday FSC, and I just knew a lot
of USC fans and that was that was pretty devastating.
I had a lot of cocky buddies in my fraternity
that were big SC guys. That was a big l
for them. That was a big L. But yeah, I
would say best I knew going into Game seven Cleveland
Lebron Steph it was a really, really big deal. I mean,

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the Warriors had just won seventy three games. That's probably
the biggest event I've ever been to where you just
knew there was a lot on the line. It was
game seven, it was Draymond had been suspended, the Warriors
are just taking down Michael Jordan's team's record. Lebron James
trying to win a championship in Cleveland. I mean, see
these television ratings for the NBA Finals are not high,

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which makes sense. I mean, okay, see Indiana. It's just
it is what it is. But you knew, I mean,
I would imagine twenty plus million people watch that game.
You knew you were walking. I remember walking into Oracle
I mean, it was just a shitty old arena. The
Warriors now play in San Francisco at Chase Center. I

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remember walking by Jared Goff, who at the time I
think was just drafted by the Rams. Maybe maybe it
was in the draft process, maybe it was just there.
I remember walking by Nadalminican Sue. I remember thinking that, God,
the fucking guy's huge. I just had a few too many.
I had a few too many. It's one of my

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great regrets. Have a great day. Talk soon. The volume

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