May 17, 2025 • 45 mins
This week on the podcast John discussed the retirement of Derek Carr and what his legacy will be, he reacted to the NFL releasing the schedule for next season, and the circus that is the Cincinnati Bengals. All that and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hopefully you're having a good weekend and enjoying some sun,
some family, maybe a few drinks or maybe hanging out
by the pool. But whatever you may be doing, we
have a little best of for you this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We had a crazy week.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Started off actually last Saturday, when Derek Carr retired. I'm
not sure I saw that one coming. What's going on
with the Bengals. Obviously their star pass rusher not happy,
text messaging with his head coach, clearly not on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And obviously.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
By middle end of the week, we had a NFL
schedule release, So from games being streamed to international games
to primetime games, we will dive in to the schedule release.
So let's talk a little football. Well, well, well, Derek
Carr has I don't want to say officially but unofficially
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retired from the National Football League and a little bit
of a shakra. Not not sure that most of us
saw this one coming though, been a weird. It feels
like last month or two with the back and forth
with the Saints with kind of some threats about a
season ending surgery within them drafting a quarterback early in
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the second round, it did not feel like Kellen Moore,
and kind of the new vibe in the building was
in on Derek Carr, which is understandable. Derek went to
the Saints because of Dennis Allen, who was obviously fired
last year. But there's no more guessing how the situation
is gonna play out. Is he gonna get surgery? Is
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he gonna you don't have to compete for his job?
Can Kellen Moore? Could they deal him? It's like, nope,
I'm done and you can retire at thirty four, thirty
five years old when you've made two hundred million dollars
playing football, and that there is no disputing He's been
one of the more polarizing players over the course of
his career because the one thing Derek Carr has been
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and he will go out as being, is a starter
in the NFL. This wasn't one of those guys that's
like backed up some people bounced around. He's played for
two teams. He's played at one hundred and sixty nine
games and he started every single one of them. And
I had a front row seat when he got drafted
to the Saints and he beat out match job in
training camp. I remember being at a preseason game four
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against the Seattle Seahawks his rookie season, Pete Carroll was
a little old school. This was a team that had
already won a Super Bowl. I think they'd already been
to another. I mean, they were easily one of the
best teams in the NFL. Their defensive backfield, Cam Chancellor,
Earl Thomas, and obviously Richard Sherman and those guys played
in the fourth preseason game and Derek went right down
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the field scored a touchdown on him.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Then I think Pete pulled everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But then he scored either two more or three touchdowns
in that first half, and it was like Matt Shops done.
And I think a day or two later, Dennis Allen
announced him as the starter, and then he would go
on to be the longtime starter for the Raiders. But
some background that I had when I was hired out
of college at Fresno State to be a GA in recruiting.
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When I got there in basically probably late May early June,
we had a recruiting class. And this is a day
and age when the transfer portal didn't exist. There was
only one signing day. People would commit, especially at schools
like that and for the most part they were gonna
end up playing football for you. And Derek Carr was,
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when I showed up by four, the biggest current commit
of the class. He was a really good high school player,
probably could have gone two places like cow Will Jeff
Tedford was, who had coached his brother. I know Utah
was really interested, but he was dead set in finishing
kind of what his brother started. And he had committed
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very early on in his high school career and really never.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Wavered.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I think his senior year he transferred from Texas
back to Bakersfield and had a massive senior year, but
he came to Fresno State honestly probably should have won
the starting quarterback job as a true freshman, but coach
Hill old School went with the longtime backup who just
simply was not as good as Derek. But Derek not
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only backed him up that year, red shirted the next
year and then he started for the next three seasons.
And if his name had been Derek Johnson instead of
Derek Carr, I think he would have been a lock
first round pick. But when I when I was around
him his freshman year, I remember thinking, like, this guy's
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got a big arm. This guy's a really talented player.
And then after his freshman year, I was hired into
the NFL with the Eagles and I get there and
Kevin Cobb he ended up starting a game because he
got knocked out and Michael Vick came in.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
The rest is history.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
But I remember being in training camp practice watching Kevin
Cobb throw the ball and texting people back at Fresno.
I was like, this guy doesn't throw it nearly as
well as Derek. So I don't want to say that
I knew Derek Carr was going to be an NFL
starter right then and there, but I was it was
eye opening how much Derek's arm was going to translate.
And by Derek's senior year at Fresno State, I think
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he threw fifty touchdowns and eight picks. I mean he dominated.
I mean his last couple of years all Mountain West guy,
him and DeVante. It wasn't even fair. It was like
the equivalent of Joe Kitchen Murray playing again It's Me
and You. But because of his name and his brother
being a pretty legendary quote unquote bust and being someone
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that I would say is has a negative connotation in
NFL circles. I do think it hurt him, but he
ended up going in the top of the second round.
And the one lesson I think you take away from
Derek's career is so much as out of your control,
whether you're a football player for those of us in life,
but specifically at quarterback. You get drafted, You don't pick
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the other players in your team. You don't get to
determine who the coach is. You definitely don't get determined
the scheme, who the assistant coaches are going to be,
who the GM is making the moves. And Derek went
to a very very chaotic organization and basically for the
first six or seven years he was there, it was
all about when are we going to move, how are
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we going to move? And then we are moving, but
we're staying in Oakland for a couple of years. Like
it wasn't a very easy situation for any player, let
alone a young guy, especially the starting quarterback of the team,
and everything that was thrown on his shoulders. Like, I
do respect how much he had to handle because he
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was asked these questions constantly and he had nothing to
do with any of them. But I do think his
career could have turned out a lot better if it
wasn't for a broken ankle his third season, because by
his second year in the league, he had thrown thirty
two touchdowns. They had Amari Cooper, they had signed Crabtree,
and it looked like this guy had a chance to
be a pretty good quarterback, like to be a guy
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that would be top ten in the NFL. The following year.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
They are good. They are.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
They have eleven wins going into Week fifteen. He throws
several touchdowns. He's in the conversation to be the MVP.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
He is taking to.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
The Raiders to the playoffs for the first time in
like fifteen years. This was a franchise that hadn't been
to the playoffs. Hell, hadn't sniffed the playoffs since like
two three range. And in twenty sixteen, he wasn't just
having a great year relative to the league. He was
playing really really well. I was going to all these games.
I mean, he was playing like a top five or
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six quarterback in the NFL at a really really high level.
And then his ankle shatters, and honestly, I think after
that point, I don't think his career was ever quite
the same Obviously, the Raiders went to the playoffs, they
started mcgloyin in the game and they got worked by
the Texans. But then they go through Jack del Real,
they higher John Gruden, the moving process happens, and again
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he I don't think he was ever as good as
that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen range. But by twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one under John Gruden, after everything.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Had normalized a little bit they had.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Moved to Vegas, he was playing pretty well again. Over
a two year span, he threw like fifty touchdowns in
less than twenty five picks and was a high completion
percentage guy, and the team was just kind of headed
in the right direction. And then Monday Night Football's going down.
The New York Times has the report and John Grune
gets fired. And then a couple months later, after they
get knocked out in the playoffs by the Bengals, they
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bring in Josh McDaniels, and it's very safe to say
Derek's career on the field is all downhill after that. Now,
he ended up making a lot of money, and I
do think he's kind of the poster child for the
modern era of pro sports and the amount of money
that's being giving out in specifically the NFL for any
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decent player.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Like obviously, if you're.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
A star, you were making a lot of money in
the eighties and the nineties and every generation. Right, it's
all relative, but even now, like justin Jefferson, what Michael
Parson's gonna end up getting. You know, all these guys,
the top guys are making money, but the top guys
when I was a kid were making the most money.
But when you get a guy like Derek who's never
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won a playoff game, who's only been to the playoffs twice,
and one of them he couldn't attend because he had
a shattered ankle. So the one playoff game he did start,
he lost and didn't end great against the Bengals because
he he he clocked the ball on first down in
the in the red zone late in the game, so
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he basically gave away a you know, one of their
four plays, which was an ideal. But someone had slid
in my DMS and asked me, John, do you think
Derek is pulling a Sean Payton doing a retire to
kind of pivot? And you know, I'm gonna cross my mind.
The more and more I left the just reaction of
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what happened really seep in, and then I read about
some of the stuff that happened. They're going to allow
him to keep the ten million dollar roster bonus that
he got for being on the team after free agency started,
but he gave up the opportunity for the thirty million
dollars guaranteed this fall by retiring, basically like we're good.
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And I don't think you would do that because if
he if this was really a double middle finger move
to try to set a situation where in a year
he could get out, why wouldn't he have just got
his shoulder surgery this year. They would have been on
the hook to pay him between the bonus and the
salary forty million dollars, and then of course they would
have cut him next year and he would have been,
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in theory, healthy and a free agent to sign wherever
he wanted to play.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So I do believe him.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And then I saw his wife had a post like
I think he's retired. I think he's just done. And
I think when you've been in a situation when he
played for the Raiders as long as he did, and
then you go to the Saints, and listen. Some of
it's his fault, like he had moments in big games
where he did not play well. I'm not trying to
act like he's a better player than he gets credit
for it, because I think the last four or five
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years he's been pretty average. But he also represents, like
I said, a guy that made over two hundred million dollars.
So it's much easier to call it quits when you
go listen, I'm thirty four to thirty five. I got
a big family. I guess they just moved to forres Know, like,
I'm done, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He've made a.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Lot of money. I mean, there can't be I know
a lot of people in the Fresno area, and while
while they do have some wealthy individuals, they're all business owners.
There is not many people in the state of California
outside of the San Francisco in La area, so especially
the valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield, who have made over
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two hundred million dollars that never owned anything. He's just
a W two employee for the Raiders and the Saints.
So Derek banked a lot of cash in the league,
and a lot of people would say not playing that well,
and I would say I do think he made a
decision going to the Saints a couple of years ago
because of Dennis Allen and their previous relationship. Like, I
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don't know if that's a great move. Obviously, Dennis Allen's
not a very good head coach. And I think we
do have to question the Saints, you know, minus like
with Sean Payton, the brains behind everything. And we're gonna
see with Kellen Moore if it was all Sean Payton,
if this organization is, you know, has the ability to
kind of overcome stuff. And I saw Kellen Moore said
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that we'll just have a he's in an easy spot
now he's quarterback competition Jake Hayner, Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shuck.
But I think Derek Carr's retirement I don't think it
symbolizes anything like could this be a new trend of
guys retiring early? No? Now, is he gonna get shoulder surgery?
Is his injury legitimate? Because the Saints had a press release, clearly,
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I don't think they're all on the same page about
this injury. In a weird way for a guy that
you look at his wiki played in a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Does feel like.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Recently he's had a lot of injuries, from shoulder injuries
to concussions. It just feels like over the last you know,
especially in the twenty twenties, there have been a lot
of Sundays where if you have you know, a Raider
game or a Saints game on, Derek is on the ground,
laying there. And maybe he was just tired of the
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pounding he took and said I've made enough money and
I'm out. But I do think his career could have
gone like if you played it over ten times. I
do think there are a couple scenarios where it goes
way better and he goes to a stable organization. I
think he always would have been a very polarizing player
like a Dak, like a cousin's. But look at Dak
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for a lot of his career, Like we can nitpick
Jerry and say he does some crazy shit. True, but
like they've won a lot. They have three straight years
when they won twelve games. I do think early on
in Derek's career, had he not been with the Raiders,
had he been with a team that kind of knew
what they were doing, he could have been a guy
that was constantly going to the playoffs. I mean, like
Andy Dalton. Doesn't mean he would have won in the playoffs,
but I think Andy Dalton went to the playoffs six
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straight years starting quarterback, so a lot of times as
a guy like that, dak Andy Dalton, Jimmy Garoppolo, like,
you're not going to go to a bad team and
have success. It's going to be very, very difficult unless
you're playing out of your mind. But if you're going
to play to what your ability is, which relative to
the rest of the quarterbacks is somewhere in the middle,
you are gonna need high level coaching, high level talent,
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ideally a good defense. And that was the other thing
with the Raiders, like their defenses were a joke. I mean,
I remember the one year that Khalil Mack won the
Defensive Player of the Year, and I didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Even think the defense was good.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It was just him the reason he won the Defensive
Player of the Year because he literally did everything like
fumble sixes, pick six's sacks. It was like, I don't
even think there's anyone else good on this defense, Like
a good defense wouldn't want any of the other players
beside Khalil, and it also shows you the Raiders man
they had a two year stretch where they got Khalil, Mack,
Derek Cars, they got their star pass rusher, they got
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their starting quarterback, and they got Amari Cooper, which early
on looked like a really, really like a guy there
was gonna be a top three or four wide receiver
in the league. And then by the time John Gruden
got there, it was called kind of over and it
was just Derek who was not quite as good as
he once was, so kind of a crazy little tail
of a career. But you know, at the end of
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hard to say, you know, and Derrek's shoes go. I
started for eleven years in the NFL. I made two
hundred million dollars. You know, in his mind probably thinks
it's really really successful. And I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong,
but I think the way people would talk about it
would say he's unsuccessful given how many starts he had
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and the results. And I think my overall take is,
I like most guys don't overcome in any like I
could put you like, you're gonna have much more success
if you're a finance guy and you go work for
Golden and sacks that if you go work for some
crazy organization, I'm a much better podcaster because you guys
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can hear me because of Colin Coward that if I
did not have him, a lot of stuff is out
of our control. So he plays for the Raiders who
are running through coaches who finally look like they got
it right. And then Gruden has to get fired because
of everything that happened. It's just not a normal place
to work, you know, and a Peyton Manning, Josh Allen,
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Lamar Jackson. There are certain type just freak talents that
might be able to overcome it. Most guys cannot. You
see the Cowboys when a couple things go wrong, Dak
looks awful.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's like, what is happening?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Say this for the most part in Kirk cousins career,
like when he signed with Minnesota, like they pretty well
run an organization with a lot of good players, right,
It's like from Kevin O'Connell the Zimmer like either they're
good on defense, they're good on offense. A lot of
talent around him, like pretty good places to play.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
It's Alex Smith. Everyone called the guy a shitty player
until Jim Harbaugh showed up and everyone's like, oh, I
was okay, and then he goes to Andy Reid's like, oh,
this guy's a playoff quarterback. And then up until his
leg snapped in half with Washington, I think they were
six and two.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
He's having a career year.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's like, yeah, you go to teams, they either have
good coaches or good talent around you and people that
believe in you. You have a chance. And then when
Josh McDaniels got there, that relationship was a disaster and
it turns out like say what you want about Derek.
Josh McDaniel's a joke as a head coach, a complete
scam artist. I mean, he ran one of the great
fugazi campaigns we have ever seen. I read it, Dan
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POPEI wrote the article like five years ago. It was like, Jesus,
I believe in this Josh McDaniels has changed his life around.
It was about it like him looking in the mirror
and writing positive words of affirmation down in a journal.
It's like, this guy is a way different human than
he was for the Denver Broncos when he drafted Tim Tebow,
and everyone in the building, including the animals couldn't stand
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the asshole. It's like he has changed. And then we're
like two months in, we're like, oh, same shit, different day.
And listen, Dan pomp bag and write some compelling articles.
I just read this one about Spyteck and Tom Brady.
I actually I text John, I'm like, I don't know
if you saw this, uh, but this article about you
and Tom is incredible. Dan Pompey can write some gripping
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pieces that has Tom on the record, so you know
it's not, you know, a scam piece like the Josh
McDaniels was. And I don't even know if Josh McDaniels
was a scam piece in the sense that he truly
believed like, I'm a positive person now, I'm different than
I once was. I will not be Belichick this time around.
It's like, no, bro, you will. You're gonna do the
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same thing over and over. And it didn't matter who
played for Josh McDaniels, you would fail. Whether it's Team Tebow,
whether it's Derek Carr, whether it's Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes,
it would not go as well as it could because
of this. We say it all the time with brock Purty,
like he's an incredible story and an easy guy to
root for, even though he's obviously a polarizing individual in
the world of people that talk about football, but like
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what he has accomplished being the last pick in the
draft and how well he's played, it's fucking awesome. But
he benefits greatly from going to Kyle Shanahan. If I
gave brock Purty to some of these other teams, it
probably would not look that and he'd be the first
guy to tell you. And I would have told Derek
if you would advise me, should I go to the
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New Orleans Saints with Dennis Allen, Like, I don't know
if that's a great idea, man, this might be your
one last shot of getting an opportunity to be a
long term starter and getting some money.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And obviously Monday.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Talk shit walks and they gave him seventy eighty million
dollars guaranteed and he said yes, And now a couple
years later he's retired. So crazy story. You never know
what's going to happen in this league. But uh, pretty
good run for the Fresno State quarterback financially, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3 (21:10):
I actually really want to go to to Allegiance Stadium
in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I have been to Vegas so many.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Times in the last three or four years, and every
time I see it it looks it just looks cool
on the outside and obviously on the inside it by
all accounts anyone listening that has been there. I actually
played golf today with a guy who has gone to
a game there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
He's a Bears fan. I know a lot of people
have been games and they just say plays badass.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
So if you ever want to make a little weekend
trip out of Vegas, that stadium is pretty freaking cool.
I mean it hosts other events as well, but I
do speaking of you know, the Raiders in the AFC West.
If I would have told you even a decade ago,
when Andy Reid and Alex Smith were consistently a ten
to eleven win team and going to the playoffs, that
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they would land this quarterback and he would turn them
in to the number one brand in football like that
is so insane, And I think the power of the NFL.
And we talk a lot about this, like as I'm
recording this right now, the Knicks are playing and whether
I'm pretty sure they're gonna win a night, but even
if they don't win a night that I'm sure they'll
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win Game six with Tatum out.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
They're just a massive brand that.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They're one of the biggest brands despite losing a lot
the moment they get good because of their market and
because of the quantity of the fan base. We use
the Yankees a lot, like it was a really big
deal last year in the World Series. I don't know
to have the Yankees and the Dodgers. Why historic brands.
The Yankees have been winning since like Babe Ruth in
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the early twenties. The Dodgers are also been winning well
before I was alive. And they just have a large
quantity of fans. So it is way more powerful to
have those two teams in the World Series than other teams.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Without the amount of amount of fans. It's why the
last year's World Series.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That huge numbers, and basketball and baseball are so dependent on.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The big boy brands.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's like if the Lakers played the Knicks, be no
different than the Dodgers and the Yankees, it would be
incredible do historic numbers. The NFL has found a way.
I mean, think about this. Two of the biggest brands
in the NFL are in Green Bay, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
It's because those two franchises, I mean, the Packers are
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also historic brand and haven't really lost for thirty plus years.
And the Steelers have been winning since seventies. I don't
mean Super Bowls, but just winning, so you accumulate a
lot of fans by a bandwagon. The Chiefs over the
course of like six or seven years of starting Patrick
Mahomes have turned into a team. Five of the first
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eight weeks they are on Primetime Week one Brazil, YouTube
standalone games, Week three at Giants Sunday Night Football. Week
five at Jacksonville Monday Night Football Week six, Detroit Sunday
Night Football Week eight, Washington Monday Night Football. Now, the Giants,
in theory, if they're good, are a big time. They've
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been terrible for over a decade. So you just put
the Chiefs on Sunday Night and Monday Night against the
Giants and the Jags, like, we're good because no matter what,
even if those teams suck, we got Mahomes. And it's
just crazy how it's become like this because in a
short period of time they have become you know, I
think a lot of people get tired of like why
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are we going to talk about the Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Why do we got to talk about the Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Because this is all a numbers game, and there's a
reason historically, like they just got more fans. Now it
gets to the point like last year, if you're gonna
suck like that and if you're not good again, we
got to be able to talk about other teams. And
the Chiefs are like, hey, well we will enter the chat,
and they have and it's pretty clear that and I
don't even five of the first eight weeks. They also
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play on Thanksgiving and Christmas, So it tells you everything
you need to know. They wet the beak of end
and ESPN and even YouTube. They also take care of
Netflix and Amazon. It truly is incredible how fast they
have become just a behemoth of a cash cow for
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the league. You put him on television listen, Andy's been winning.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
For almost thirty years now.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
But to me, their secret sauce and you could also
call it a combination of like Mahomes the biggest star
in the NFL, He's the biggest name in the NFL,
and I don't think you can dispute, even if it
annoys people when they show him on Travis dating her
is kind of a big deal. I do think that
plays a part into the power of this brand because
I don't exactly know where Kansas City falls on the
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size of some of these markets, like the La Rams Now,
granted they've moved around a little bit, but they've been
good now since Sean McVay got there. They don't get
treated like this, So it really is crazy how big
Mahomes and Taylor Swift slash Kelsey have turned this franchise
into the Other thing I find pretty fascinating is, and
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we've been talking about this for a while and listen,
I've benefited from this. My life has directly benefited because
of technology and it changed my life because I can
do a podcast from a home office that goes on
this phone that you guys make sure nothing crazy is
up there, that you guys can listen to. And obviously
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YouTube has been incredible for the podcast business. Again, but
forever in the NFL, like you took care of your
main partners, and in the NFL they make their money
from NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox. That is like, listen,
you'd be like, well, the NFL doesn't care what anyone thinks,
true except pissing those people off. Why because they write
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enormous checks. Well, over the course, I would say of
the last decade, Amazon clearly got into the streaming world.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
They now have Thursday Night football.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Netflix had been around, they dabbled in the live events
and then a couple of years ago like yeah we're
interested in football. It's like, oh shit, the power of YouTube.
Now the NFL gives Netflix these two Christmas Day games.
They're good games. I mean, Dallas might not be any good,
but they get Dallas at Washington, which will crush Detroit
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at Minnesota. I mean that game last year was for
the number one overall seed in the NFC in Denver
at Kansas City, the NFL's current biggest brand, against a
playoff team in Denver, which also, if they're good, is
a big deal. So they are taking care of Netflix
and Amazon at a pretty high level. And if I'm
Fox and I'm CBS and I'm NBC, clearly, the way
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these wins have changed over the course the last five
six years, we all know the cable bundle is not
going to exist. And it's why I did defend the
NFL a couple of years ago for putting I think
it was Chiefs Dolphins on Peacock. It's like, listen, I
don't love having to give twenty bucks for one game
of Peacock, and I technically already owned because they had
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some golf events. But what I love this just to
be on regular NBC. Sure, but I also don't live
under rock and understand that like NBC, the network is
not going to exist. And at the NFL, like the
older the patriarchs of the family, the Jerry Jones is,
the Al Davis is the the whatever, the oldest Rooney,
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like the old the Spanos's dad, the people that got
in and when the business started taking off, it was
all the networks. Well now it's like, hey, Amazon, Google
and Netflix. They got way more money than these people.
Oh yeah, they also have a way bigger reach. So
one thing that is clearly inevitable. I mean Amazon, the
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got in on a Thursday night game. They're now getting.
They got a Black Friday game this year, which is
obviously big for them. I think they had that last
year as well. They have the Amazon Night game on Christmas.
To me, the YouTube thing week one Chiefs Chargers is fascinating, Like,
I mean, we all know, most of you. I'm sure
someone asked me the other day like how much time
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do you spend on Twitter? And I'm like, honestly, if
I'm not sitting at my desk, I used to spend
you know, I would say ten eight, you know, seven
years ago a lot. And I think over the last
several years, the majority of time, even if I'm sitting
at my desk and definitely on my phone, the first
app I go do is either Instagram or YouTube. And
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the NFL knows this, and they look like how much
money does Google have an unlimited amount? Yet we're gonna
start doing business with you. So if I was and
Lessen not. Fox changed my life. When I was a kid,
they got if you're my age, you know, forty, a
little younger and definitely older. You remember when Fox got
into the NFL, and it was I think ninety three
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or ninety four, they signed John Madden. They come in
right as the forty nine ers and the Cowboys, I mean,
the Cowboys are starting this little five year dynasty. The
forty nine Ers had been winning for fifteen years. Farv
gets traded to Green Bay. It was the perfect storm
and it was an incredible move for Fox for the NFL.
It worked out perfectly, and they have been very loyal
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to them forever. And now look at Fox. They try
really hard. They get Tom Brady. I saw Tom brady schedule.
Obviously a bunch of Cowboy games, the occasional like forty
nine or Eagle game, but it's the Cowboys win or lose.
The NFC they always lean with the Cowboys. But that
was a really, really big deal. And I think these
people and obviously these networks know, but they got to
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be a little nervous now, like Netflix isn't just dipping
their toe in the water.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And here's the other thing the league has done.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They have given these Like if you put a game
on Netflix, like just a random game on Sunday afternoon
and there were multiple other games, it would not.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Be as powerful.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Amazon was smart getting the primetime package whatever several years
ago on Thursday Night.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You don't have to compete against anybody.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
The NFL was smart, Like, that's what we want you
to have. Because if you told me that, like, oh,
the Giants are playing the Jags, you know, one of
the ten am games on Amazon, you know what I
would do, and you would do more than likely, especially
if we didn't have money on the game, or you
didn't have a player on the fantasy team, you might
not put it on one of your televisions. Yet they
give all these streaming platforms Netflix, Amazon, and this YouTube.
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You're not competing against anybody else. So even depending on
your setup at home, it's not a pain in the
ass at all because it's the only game on so
as we've seen the only game on television, especially if
it's the Cowboys or the Lions versus Minnesota, or the
Chiefs or the Chiefs versus Hardball, we know these games
are gonna do great because they're big time games with
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big time people, either coaches or star players, and they're
gonna crush. So you're not only wetting their beak, you're
making them realize, Like God, this is a powerful fucking product.
Because whenever this new negotiation happens, which I think as
an opportunity in twenty twenty nine, I just wonder how
big of a player Fox and NBC and CBS are
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gonna be able to compete against this, because the more
and more that these people get a taste of it,
it's like, God, did you see the numbers that Patrick
Mahomes and Jim Harbaugh did on YouTube? I'm speaking as
if I was like a Google executive. It's like, maybe
we should have asked for a couple more games. YouTube
TV's already in bed because they have the Direct TV.
(32:27):
You know, not it's not Direct TV, but what Direct
TV used to have the NFL package. I'm sure, like
many of you watch it every week.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
So it's to me, I'm fascinated by these streaming platforms that,
you know, Amazon clearly is not going away, and Netflix
getting more and more involved, and I think Florio wrote
about this, they're just stealing games away that would have Like,
where do you think Detroit and Minnesota would have been
if the Christmas Games had never existed in the league's Like, listen, well,
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Adam Silver, you just you guys can handle Christmas. Throw
Lebron stay and you know, kitch on there and you
guys just have that day.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We'll just chill. Right.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Where would Detroit and Minnesota have gone? That would have
been potentially like a Tom Brady game, you know, on
that Sunday that would have been the primetime Fox game.
Where do you think Denver at Kansas City would have been?
Probably the primetime CBS game with Jim Nansen Antonio Rome.
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Speaker 3 (35:29):
One of the big stories over the last twenty four
hours has been the Cincinnati Bengals, and I gotta throw
a red flag on one situation, and I gotta say
I'm gonna support them in another. And I think two
things that have happened over the last couple days is
Trey Hendrickson basically went on record with Adam Schefter today
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discussing his displeasure that no one has talked to him
since the draft. There have been no communications on a
new contract. That sounds kind of crazy. When you read
the headline, you realize the draft was like two and
a half weeks ago. It's like we're acting like this
was four months ago. I don't think it's that crazy.
We're focused on the draft and we're focused on getting
the guys in. I don't think that's the craziest thing,
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and we'll dive into that in a second. But the
bigger story was the Bengals first round pick Shamar Stewart,
the really physically gifted player from Texas A and m
athletic freak, didn't really produce at the level of his athleticism,
but was drafted seventeenth overall and pretty intriguing draft pick.
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It's either kind of a boom or bus. Feels like
they're swinging for the fences. Don't hate it, don't love it,
understand it. Ad pick seventeen.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Don't hate it.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
He did not practice this week at rookie Mini camp,
which is kind of crazy, given that everyone practices if
they're healthy. He just stood there and watched. So like,
given that this is a borderline unprecedented situation, I had
to do some digging. There was an article today in
the Cincinnati Inquirer that one of the issues because I
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thought one of the reasons all these guys practice not
because most of them have their rookie deal signed before
Rookie Mini caamp.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They do not.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
They typically get an injury waiver, so if something catastrophic
were to happen that they would be covered. And the
reality is The type of practice that you have now
at these rookie mini camps is a joke. I mean,
OTA's in general is nowhere near what it used to
be and the majority of this stuff is walk through
mental stuff. The chances of people getting hurt now are very,
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very slim. Still, football still definitely a risk, and at
any moment someone could fall on you things that are
out of your control. So it's like there is some
understanding of a risk that you are taking now. The
issue that the Inquirer reported was everything is slotted now, right.
I just read that the Seattle Seahawks have signed the
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North Dakota State Guard, who is the eighteenth overall pick.
So you are seeing rookie sign left and right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
What are you really arguing over? You can argue over.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Dates in which bonuses are paid, right, I give you
a signing bonus, How we pro rate that, how it's paid,
the percentage in which it's paid, and injury guarantees has
been an issue somewhat that teams have butted heads on. Well, Cincinnati,
I guess had offered Stewart a lower percentage than Dallas
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Turner got in the same slot last year from the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
So He's like, at most we should just be.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
On par with that. There is a precedent set. So
while I will get into defending Cincinnati a little bit,
when it comes to Trey, this one feels like, listen,
part of the negotiation should be a little back and forth.
Shouldn't really be any with this. This should be pretty
black and white, like what are we doing. It's one
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thing to low ball player that's a free agent because
he's high balling you and you end up meeting.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
In the middle.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
As high ball even a term, you know what I mean.
He comes in low, I come in high, and we
eventually know we're gonna meet in the middle. Right, you
list your house overpriced for a million dollars, I come
in at eight fifty. I know we're gonna end up
meeting at nine twenty eight, and be cool with it.
I know you'll take it. Your agent's already told my agent.
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They're like, listen, if you can just get close to
the nine to fifty number, I said, listen, I'll come
up a little before nine.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But we're gonna meet in the middle. That's not what
this is. These things are slotted in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Like I think sometimes when you get a negative, there's
like a narrative or a talking point about you as
a human being, as a company, as a franchise. It's
hard to shake that right. And I would say when
people think about Cincinnati, their first reaction is somewhat negative.
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It's like, ah, kind of a low level franchise, so
when this story comes out, it's easy for everyone to
pile on them. Where if you're a high level franchise,
Like if I had told you that Howie Rosman or
Less Sneed was in a standoff about a situation like this,
those guys would get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You'd be like, what's up with that fucking agent? And
here's the reality of agents.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The agent of the player does not give a shit
about the team.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
That is not his job.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I think sometimes they overhype, like I love my guys,
I love my relationship. No, you're in the business of
getting your two five, whatever your points are on the
deal to make money so that your seventeen year old
drives some mercedes as well. Like, this is a business,
let's not get it twisted. You can say it's a
human business, and it is. You're representing players, but you
wouldn't be doing this You're not doing this for charity here,
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You're doing it because there's a lot of money on
the line, and ideally you're buying it early to get
that second contract and really go che ching. So like,
the objective of the agent and the objective of the
team are never going to be the same. The team
only cares about doing what's best short and long term
for the franchise and trying to win. The agent just
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does not give a shit the player he represents mit,
but the agent does not.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But in a.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Situation like this, like I'm sorry, bad look for the Bengals.
Also just bizarre, like of course this happens to the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
The Trey Hendrickson thing is a little uh. I would say,
there's a little more gray area. He's thirty years old,
will be thirty one, just had a career two years
where he had thirty five sacks. Would you be in
the business of giving one hundred plus million dollars to
a guy that broke out in his career at twenty
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nine and thirty years old, Because I don't know, I
might struggle with that, Like it'd be one thing. It's like,
hey man, you could get me for two years and
sixty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I don't think he's signing that contract.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
He's looking at Max Crosby, he's looking at Miles Garrett
like he wants a long term, huge deal. And while
they just signed their two wide receivers, those guys are
younger players. Trey Hendrickson was not a guy they drafted.
He was a guy they got because it did not
work out for him in his first stop, and part
of that was injuries, part of that was just figuring
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out how to become a pass rusher. And he's coming
to his own and he's been an excellent dominant player.
But I do understand if I ran the organization, and
I think this is how it would be if the
Ravens ran it, if the Eagles ran it, if the
Chiefs ran it. This isn't just a no brainer here, Trey,
here's your blank check. And I think for him, and
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I saw JJ Watt tweeting like, of course, they told him,
have another big year and then we'll take care of you.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, this guy's this business.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
You know, this is one of those things. If it's
a little more complicated than just give him a bunch
of money, like ultimately, t Higgins is getting a lot
of money no matter what. The Bengals just had to decide, like,
are we going to invest a lot of money in
two players at the same position. This is one of
those where even good teams would be like, Yeah, we're
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gonna hesitate on giving an older player that much money. Now,
maybe he goes on to have three more years no injuries,
kicks ass, and you look back and go, got it
a no brainer? What if, like you're a year and
a half in, You're like, God, he's already banged up
again because he was early on in his career. So
I think it's easy for him to come out and
kind of paint the Bengals as the bad guy, and
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no one is going to defend them because of what's
going on with their rookie. But I do think this
situation is a little more complicated, and they're going, you're
not a free agent. It's not like we're franchising you.
You're on a contract for fifteen million dollars like we've
already now. Listen, their owner's daughter had made some comments
a while back that not the way I would do business.
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But I also think Trey coming out like this, I
don't think that's helping his cause either. So I think
this is a more complicated situation, and it's easy for
every swinging dick on television that played in the league
to go like.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He's getting screwed.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
He is getting fucking railroaded. And that's gonna be the
majority of shows you're gonna turn it on and listen.
Is he underpaid if they make him play at fifteen million,
one thousand percent?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
But like, what's he looking for? What deal would he
be willing to sign?
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Because if he goes Max Crosby or Miles Garrett, I
gotta say, no, dog, not for me. And the problem
is if you're the Bengals, like what's his market?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Does he have a lot of teams?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I know a lot of Lions fans hit me up
like when are we gonna do something big? Like what
are the Lions gonna trade a first round pick and
give him a hundred million dollars?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
No chance, so, cause that would be crazy business. The Rams.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Maybe they get back to their roots. They got two
first round picks. You never know, But I don't think
that one is as as like black and white, right
and wrong, you know, judging each side as I feel
like it's made out to be on the interwhip. The
volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hopefully you're having a good weekend and enjoying some sun,
some family, maybe a few drinks or maybe hanging out
by the pool. But whatever you may be doing, we
have a little best of for you this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We had a crazy week.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Started off actually last Saturday, when Derek Carr retired. I'm
not sure I saw that one coming. What's going on
with the Bengals. Obviously their star pass rusher not happy,
text messaging with his head coach, clearly not on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And obviously.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
By middle end of the week, we had a NFL
schedule release, So from games being streamed to international games
to primetime games, we will dive in to the schedule release.
So let's talk a little football. Well, well, well, Derek
Carr has I don't want to say officially but unofficially
(01:20):
retired from the National Football League and a little bit
of a shakra. Not not sure that most of us
saw this one coming though, been a weird. It feels
like last month or two with the back and forth
with the Saints with kind of some threats about a
season ending surgery within them drafting a quarterback early in
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the second round, it did not feel like Kellen Moore,
and kind of the new vibe in the building was
in on Derek Carr, which is understandable. Derek went to
the Saints because of Dennis Allen, who was obviously fired
last year. But there's no more guessing how the situation
is gonna play out. Is he gonna get surgery? Is
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he gonna you don't have to compete for his job?
Can Kellen Moore? Could they deal him? It's like, nope,
I'm done and you can retire at thirty four, thirty
five years old when you've made two hundred million dollars
playing football, and that there is no disputing He's been
one of the more polarizing players over the course of
his career because the one thing Derek Carr has been
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and he will go out as being, is a starter
in the NFL. This wasn't one of those guys that's
like backed up some people bounced around. He's played for
two teams. He's played at one hundred and sixty nine
games and he started every single one of them. And
I had a front row seat when he got drafted
to the Saints and he beat out match job in
training camp. I remember being at a preseason game four
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against the Seattle Seahawks his rookie season, Pete Carroll was
a little old school. This was a team that had
already won a Super Bowl. I think they'd already been
to another. I mean, they were easily one of the
best teams in the NFL. Their defensive backfield, Cam Chancellor,
Earl Thomas, and obviously Richard Sherman and those guys played
in the fourth preseason game and Derek went right down
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the field scored a touchdown on him.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Then I think Pete pulled everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But then he scored either two more or three touchdowns
in that first half, and it was like Matt Shops done.
And I think a day or two later, Dennis Allen
announced him as the starter, and then he would go
on to be the longtime starter for the Raiders. But
some background that I had when I was hired out
of college at Fresno State to be a GA in recruiting.
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When I got there in basically probably late May early June,
we had a recruiting class. And this is a day
and age when the transfer portal didn't exist. There was
only one signing day. People would commit, especially at schools
like that and for the most part they were gonna
end up playing football for you. And Derek Carr was,
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when I showed up by four, the biggest current commit
of the class. He was a really good high school player,
probably could have gone two places like cow Will Jeff
Tedford was, who had coached his brother. I know Utah
was really interested, but he was dead set in finishing
kind of what his brother started. And he had committed
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very early on in his high school career and really never.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Wavered.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I think his senior year he transferred from Texas
back to Bakersfield and had a massive senior year, but
he came to Fresno State honestly probably should have won
the starting quarterback job as a true freshman, but coach
Hill old School went with the longtime backup who just
simply was not as good as Derek. But Derek not
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only backed him up that year, red shirted the next
year and then he started for the next three seasons.
And if his name had been Derek Johnson instead of
Derek Carr, I think he would have been a lock
first round pick. But when I when I was around
him his freshman year, I remember thinking, like, this guy's
(05:09):
got a big arm. This guy's a really talented player.
And then after his freshman year, I was hired into
the NFL with the Eagles and I get there and
Kevin Cobb he ended up starting a game because he
got knocked out and Michael Vick came in.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
The rest is history.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
But I remember being in training camp practice watching Kevin
Cobb throw the ball and texting people back at Fresno.
I was like, this guy doesn't throw it nearly as
well as Derek. So I don't want to say that
I knew Derek Carr was going to be an NFL
starter right then and there, but I was it was
eye opening how much Derek's arm was going to translate.
And by Derek's senior year at Fresno State, I think
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he threw fifty touchdowns and eight picks. I mean he dominated.
I mean his last couple of years all Mountain West guy,
him and DeVante. It wasn't even fair. It was like
the equivalent of Joe Kitchen Murray playing again It's Me
and You. But because of his name and his brother
being a pretty legendary quote unquote bust and being someone
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that I would say is has a negative connotation in
NFL circles. I do think it hurt him, but he
ended up going in the top of the second round.
And the one lesson I think you take away from
Derek's career is so much as out of your control,
whether you're a football player for those of us in life,
but specifically at quarterback. You get drafted, You don't pick
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the other players in your team. You don't get to
determine who the coach is. You definitely don't get determined
the scheme, who the assistant coaches are going to be,
who the GM is making the moves. And Derek went
to a very very chaotic organization and basically for the
first six or seven years he was there, it was
all about when are we going to move, how are
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we going to move? And then we are moving, but
we're staying in Oakland for a couple of years. Like
it wasn't a very easy situation for any player, let
alone a young guy, especially the starting quarterback of the team,
and everything that was thrown on his shoulders. Like, I
do respect how much he had to handle because he
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was asked these questions constantly and he had nothing to
do with any of them. But I do think his
career could have turned out a lot better if it
wasn't for a broken ankle his third season, because by
his second year in the league, he had thrown thirty
two touchdowns. They had Amari Cooper, they had signed Crabtree,
and it looked like this guy had a chance to
be a pretty good quarterback, like to be a guy
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that would be top ten in the NFL. The following year.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
They are good. They are.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
They have eleven wins going into Week fifteen. He throws
several touchdowns. He's in the conversation to be the MVP.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
He is taking to.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
The Raiders to the playoffs for the first time in
like fifteen years. This was a franchise that hadn't been
to the playoffs. Hell, hadn't sniffed the playoffs since like
two three range. And in twenty sixteen, he wasn't just
having a great year relative to the league. He was
playing really really well. I was going to all these games.
I mean, he was playing like a top five or
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six quarterback in the NFL at a really really high level.
And then his ankle shatters, and honestly, I think after
that point, I don't think his career was ever quite
the same Obviously, the Raiders went to the playoffs, they
started mcgloyin in the game and they got worked by
the Texans. But then they go through Jack del Real,
they higher John Gruden, the moving process happens, and again
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he I don't think he was ever as good as
that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen range. But by twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one under John Gruden, after everything.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Had normalized a little bit they had.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Moved to Vegas, he was playing pretty well again. Over
a two year span, he threw like fifty touchdowns in
less than twenty five picks and was a high completion
percentage guy, and the team was just kind of headed
in the right direction. And then Monday Night Football's going down.
The New York Times has the report and John Grune
gets fired. And then a couple months later, after they
get knocked out in the playoffs by the Bengals, they
(09:08):
bring in Josh McDaniels, and it's very safe to say
Derek's career on the field is all downhill after that. Now,
he ended up making a lot of money, and I
do think he's kind of the poster child for the
modern era of pro sports and the amount of money
that's being giving out in specifically the NFL for any
(09:29):
decent player.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Like obviously, if you're.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
A star, you were making a lot of money in
the eighties and the nineties and every generation. Right, it's
all relative, but even now, like justin Jefferson, what Michael
Parson's gonna end up getting. You know, all these guys,
the top guys are making money, but the top guys
when I was a kid were making the most money.
But when you get a guy like Derek who's never
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won a playoff game, who's only been to the playoffs twice,
and one of them he couldn't attend because he had
a shattered ankle. So the one playoff game he did start,
he lost and didn't end great against the Bengals because
he he he clocked the ball on first down in
the in the red zone late in the game, so
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he basically gave away a you know, one of their
four plays, which was an ideal. But someone had slid
in my DMS and asked me, John, do you think
Derek is pulling a Sean Payton doing a retire to
kind of pivot? And you know, I'm gonna cross my mind.
The more and more I left the just reaction of
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what happened really seep in, and then I read about
some of the stuff that happened. They're going to allow
him to keep the ten million dollar roster bonus that
he got for being on the team after free agency started,
but he gave up the opportunity for the thirty million
dollars guaranteed this fall by retiring, basically like we're good.
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And I don't think you would do that because if
he if this was really a double middle finger move
to try to set a situation where in a year
he could get out, why wouldn't he have just got
his shoulder surgery this year. They would have been on
the hook to pay him between the bonus and the
salary forty million dollars, and then of course they would
have cut him next year and he would have been,
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in theory, healthy and a free agent to sign wherever
he wanted to play.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So I do believe him.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And then I saw his wife had a post like
I think he's retired. I think he's just done. And
I think when you've been in a situation when he
played for the Raiders as long as he did, and
then you go to the Saints, and listen. Some of
it's his fault, like he had moments in big games
where he did not play well. I'm not trying to
act like he's a better player than he gets credit
for it, because I think the last four or five
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years he's been pretty average. But he also represents, like
I said, a guy that made over two hundred million dollars.
So it's much easier to call it quits when you
go listen, I'm thirty four to thirty five. I got
a big family. I guess they just moved to forres Know, like,
I'm done, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He've made a.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Lot of money. I mean, there can't be I know
a lot of people in the Fresno area, and while
while they do have some wealthy individuals, they're all business owners.
There is not many people in the state of California
outside of the San Francisco in La area, so especially
the valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield, who have made over
(12:23):
two hundred million dollars that never owned anything. He's just
a W two employee for the Raiders and the Saints.
So Derek banked a lot of cash in the league,
and a lot of people would say not playing that well,
and I would say I do think he made a
decision going to the Saints a couple of years ago
because of Dennis Allen and their previous relationship. Like, I
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don't know if that's a great move. Obviously, Dennis Allen's
not a very good head coach. And I think we
do have to question the Saints, you know, minus like
with Sean Payton, the brains behind everything. And we're gonna
see with Kellen Moore if it was all Sean Payton,
if this organization is, you know, has the ability to
kind of overcome stuff. And I saw Kellen Moore said
(13:06):
that we'll just have a he's in an easy spot
now he's quarterback competition Jake Hayner, Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shuck.
But I think Derek Carr's retirement I don't think it
symbolizes anything like could this be a new trend of
guys retiring early? No? Now, is he gonna get shoulder surgery?
Is his injury legitimate? Because the Saints had a press release, clearly,
(13:28):
I don't think they're all on the same page about
this injury. In a weird way for a guy that
you look at his wiki played in a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Does feel like.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Recently he's had a lot of injuries, from shoulder injuries
to concussions. It just feels like over the last you know,
especially in the twenty twenties, there have been a lot
of Sundays where if you have you know, a Raider
game or a Saints game on, Derek is on the ground,
laying there. And maybe he was just tired of the
(13:58):
pounding he took and said I've made enough money and
I'm out. But I do think his career could have
gone like if you played it over ten times. I
do think there are a couple scenarios where it goes
way better and he goes to a stable organization. I
think he always would have been a very polarizing player
like a Dak, like a cousin's. But look at Dak
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for a lot of his career, Like we can nitpick
Jerry and say he does some crazy shit. True, but
like they've won a lot. They have three straight years
when they won twelve games. I do think early on
in Derek's career, had he not been with the Raiders,
had he been with a team that kind of knew
what they were doing, he could have been a guy
that was constantly going to the playoffs. I mean, like
Andy Dalton. Doesn't mean he would have won in the playoffs,
but I think Andy Dalton went to the playoffs six
(14:41):
straight years starting quarterback, so a lot of times as
a guy like that, dak Andy Dalton, Jimmy Garoppolo, like,
you're not going to go to a bad team and
have success. It's going to be very, very difficult unless
you're playing out of your mind. But if you're going
to play to what your ability is, which relative to
the rest of the quarterbacks is somewhere in the middle,
you are gonna need high level coaching, high level talent,
(15:04):
ideally a good defense. And that was the other thing
with the Raiders, like their defenses were a joke. I mean,
I remember the one year that Khalil Mack won the
Defensive Player of the Year, and I didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Even think the defense was good.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It was just him the reason he won the Defensive
Player of the Year because he literally did everything like
fumble sixes, pick six's sacks. It was like, I don't
even think there's anyone else good on this defense, Like
a good defense wouldn't want any of the other players
beside Khalil, and it also shows you the Raiders man
they had a two year stretch where they got Khalil, Mack,
Derek Cars, they got their star pass rusher, they got
(15:39):
their starting quarterback, and they got Amari Cooper, which early
on looked like a really, really like a guy there
was gonna be a top three or four wide receiver
in the league. And then by the time John Gruden
got there, it was called kind of over and it
was just Derek who was not quite as good as
he once was, so kind of a crazy little tail
of a career. But you know, at the end of
(16:00):
hard to say, you know, and Derrek's shoes go. I
started for eleven years in the NFL. I made two
hundred million dollars. You know, in his mind probably thinks
it's really really successful. And I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong,
but I think the way people would talk about it
would say he's unsuccessful given how many starts he had
(16:20):
and the results. And I think my overall take is,
I like most guys don't overcome in any like I
could put you like, you're gonna have much more success
if you're a finance guy and you go work for
Golden and sacks that if you go work for some
crazy organization, I'm a much better podcaster because you guys
(16:41):
can hear me because of Colin Coward that if I
did not have him, a lot of stuff is out
of our control. So he plays for the Raiders who
are running through coaches who finally look like they got
it right. And then Gruden has to get fired because
of everything that happened. It's just not a normal place
to work, you know, and a Peyton Manning, Josh Allen,
(17:03):
Lamar Jackson. There are certain type just freak talents that
might be able to overcome it. Most guys cannot. You
see the Cowboys when a couple things go wrong, Dak
looks awful.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's like, what is happening?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Say this for the most part in Kirk cousins career,
like when he signed with Minnesota, like they pretty well
run an organization with a lot of good players, right,
It's like from Kevin O'Connell the Zimmer like either they're
good on defense, they're good on offense. A lot of
talent around him, like pretty good places to play.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
It's Alex Smith. Everyone called the guy a shitty player
until Jim Harbaugh showed up and everyone's like, oh, I
was okay, and then he goes to Andy Reid's like, oh,
this guy's a playoff quarterback. And then up until his
leg snapped in half with Washington, I think they were
six and two.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
He's having a career year.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's like, yeah, you go to teams, they either have
good coaches or good talent around you and people that
believe in you. You have a chance. And then when
Josh McDaniels got there, that relationship was a disaster and
it turns out like say what you want about Derek.
Josh McDaniel's a joke as a head coach, a complete
scam artist. I mean, he ran one of the great
fugazi campaigns we have ever seen. I read it, Dan
(18:13):
POPEI wrote the article like five years ago. It was like, Jesus,
I believe in this Josh McDaniels has changed his life around.
It was about it like him looking in the mirror
and writing positive words of affirmation down in a journal.
It's like, this guy is a way different human than
he was for the Denver Broncos when he drafted Tim Tebow,
and everyone in the building, including the animals couldn't stand
(18:36):
the asshole. It's like he has changed. And then we're
like two months in, we're like, oh, same shit, different day.
And listen, Dan pomp bag and write some compelling articles.
I just read this one about Spyteck and Tom Brady.
I actually I text John, I'm like, I don't know
if you saw this, uh, but this article about you
and Tom is incredible. Dan Pompey can write some gripping
(18:59):
pieces that has Tom on the record, so you know
it's not, you know, a scam piece like the Josh
McDaniels was. And I don't even know if Josh McDaniels
was a scam piece in the sense that he truly
believed like, I'm a positive person now, I'm different than
I once was. I will not be Belichick this time around.
It's like, no, bro, you will. You're gonna do the
(19:19):
same thing over and over. And it didn't matter who
played for Josh McDaniels, you would fail. Whether it's Team Tebow,
whether it's Derek Carr, whether it's Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes,
it would not go as well as it could because
of this. We say it all the time with brock Purty,
like he's an incredible story and an easy guy to
root for, even though he's obviously a polarizing individual in
the world of people that talk about football, but like
(19:42):
what he has accomplished being the last pick in the
draft and how well he's played, it's fucking awesome. But
he benefits greatly from going to Kyle Shanahan. If I
gave brock Purty to some of these other teams, it
probably would not look that and he'd be the first
guy to tell you. And I would have told Derek
if you would advise me, should I go to the
(20:03):
New Orleans Saints with Dennis Allen, Like, I don't know
if that's a great idea, man, this might be your
one last shot of getting an opportunity to be a
long term starter and getting some money.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And obviously Monday.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Talk shit walks and they gave him seventy eighty million
dollars guaranteed and he said yes, And now a couple
years later he's retired. So crazy story. You never know
what's going to happen in this league. But uh, pretty
good run for the Fresno State quarterback financially, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3 (21:10):
I actually really want to go to to Allegiance Stadium
in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I have been to Vegas so many.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Times in the last three or four years, and every
time I see it it looks it just looks cool
on the outside and obviously on the inside it by
all accounts anyone listening that has been there. I actually
played golf today with a guy who has gone to
a game there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
He's a Bears fan. I know a lot of people
have been games and they just say plays badass.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
So if you ever want to make a little weekend
trip out of Vegas, that stadium is pretty freaking cool.
I mean it hosts other events as well, but I
do speaking of you know, the Raiders in the AFC West.
If I would have told you even a decade ago,
when Andy Reid and Alex Smith were consistently a ten
to eleven win team and going to the playoffs, that
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they would land this quarterback and he would turn them
in to the number one brand in football like that
is so insane, And I think the power of the NFL.
And we talk a lot about this, like as I'm
recording this right now, the Knicks are playing and whether
I'm pretty sure they're gonna win a night, but even
if they don't win a night that I'm sure they'll
(22:17):
win Game six with Tatum out.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
They're just a massive brand that.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They're one of the biggest brands despite losing a lot
the moment they get good because of their market and
because of the quantity of the fan base. We use
the Yankees a lot, like it was a really big
deal last year in the World Series. I don't know
to have the Yankees and the Dodgers. Why historic brands.
The Yankees have been winning since like Babe Ruth in
(22:43):
the early twenties. The Dodgers are also been winning well
before I was alive. And they just have a large
quantity of fans. So it is way more powerful to
have those two teams in the World Series than other teams.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Without the amount of amount of fans. It's why the
last year's World Series.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That huge numbers, and basketball and baseball are so dependent on.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The big boy brands.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's like if the Lakers played the Knicks, be no
different than the Dodgers and the Yankees, it would be
incredible do historic numbers. The NFL has found a way.
I mean, think about this. Two of the biggest brands
in the NFL are in Green Bay, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
It's because those two franchises, I mean, the Packers are
(23:26):
also historic brand and haven't really lost for thirty plus years.
And the Steelers have been winning since seventies. I don't
mean Super Bowls, but just winning, so you accumulate a
lot of fans by a bandwagon. The Chiefs over the
course of like six or seven years of starting Patrick
Mahomes have turned into a team. Five of the first
(23:47):
eight weeks they are on Primetime Week one Brazil, YouTube
standalone games, Week three at Giants Sunday Night Football. Week
five at Jacksonville Monday Night Football Week six, Detroit Sunday
Night Football Week eight, Washington Monday Night Football. Now, the Giants,
in theory, if they're good, are a big time. They've
(24:07):
been terrible for over a decade. So you just put
the Chiefs on Sunday Night and Monday Night against the
Giants and the Jags, like, we're good because no matter what,
even if those teams suck, we got Mahomes. And it's
just crazy how it's become like this because in a
short period of time they have become you know, I
think a lot of people get tired of like why
(24:28):
are we going to talk about the Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Why do we got to talk about the Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Because this is all a numbers game, and there's a
reason historically, like they just got more fans. Now it
gets to the point like last year, if you're gonna
suck like that and if you're not good again, we
got to be able to talk about other teams. And
the Chiefs are like, hey, well we will enter the chat,
and they have and it's pretty clear that and I
don't even five of the first eight weeks. They also
(24:52):
play on Thanksgiving and Christmas, So it tells you everything
you need to know. They wet the beak of end
and ESPN and even YouTube. They also take care of
Netflix and Amazon. It truly is incredible how fast they
have become just a behemoth of a cash cow for
(25:13):
the league. You put him on television listen, Andy's been winning.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
For almost thirty years now.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
But to me, their secret sauce and you could also
call it a combination of like Mahomes the biggest star
in the NFL, He's the biggest name in the NFL,
and I don't think you can dispute, even if it
annoys people when they show him on Travis dating her
is kind of a big deal. I do think that
plays a part into the power of this brand because
I don't exactly know where Kansas City falls on the
(25:41):
size of some of these markets, like the La Rams Now,
granted they've moved around a little bit, but they've been
good now since Sean McVay got there. They don't get
treated like this, So it really is crazy how big
Mahomes and Taylor Swift slash Kelsey have turned this franchise
into the Other thing I find pretty fascinating is, and
(26:03):
we've been talking about this for a while and listen,
I've benefited from this. My life has directly benefited because
of technology and it changed my life because I can
do a podcast from a home office that goes on
this phone that you guys make sure nothing crazy is
up there, that you guys can listen to. And obviously
(26:24):
YouTube has been incredible for the podcast business. Again, but
forever in the NFL, like you took care of your
main partners, and in the NFL they make their money
from NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox. That is like, listen,
you'd be like, well, the NFL doesn't care what anyone thinks,
true except pissing those people off. Why because they write
(26:48):
enormous checks. Well, over the course, I would say of
the last decade, Amazon clearly got into the streaming world.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
They now have Thursday Night football.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Netflix had been around, they dabbled in the live events
and then a couple of years ago like yeah we're
interested in football. It's like, oh shit, the power of YouTube.
Now the NFL gives Netflix these two Christmas Day games.
They're good games. I mean, Dallas might not be any good,
but they get Dallas at Washington, which will crush Detroit
(27:19):
at Minnesota. I mean that game last year was for
the number one overall seed in the NFC in Denver
at Kansas City, the NFL's current biggest brand, against a
playoff team in Denver, which also, if they're good, is
a big deal. So they are taking care of Netflix
and Amazon at a pretty high level. And if I'm
Fox and I'm CBS and I'm NBC, clearly, the way
(27:40):
these wins have changed over the course the last five
six years, we all know the cable bundle is not
going to exist. And it's why I did defend the
NFL a couple of years ago for putting I think
it was Chiefs Dolphins on Peacock. It's like, listen, I
don't love having to give twenty bucks for one game
of Peacock, and I technically already owned because they had
(28:02):
some golf events. But what I love this just to
be on regular NBC. Sure, but I also don't live
under rock and understand that like NBC, the network is
not going to exist. And at the NFL, like the
older the patriarchs of the family, the Jerry Jones is,
the Al Davis is the the whatever, the oldest Rooney,
(28:24):
like the old the Spanos's dad, the people that got
in and when the business started taking off, it was
all the networks. Well now it's like, hey, Amazon, Google
and Netflix. They got way more money than these people.
Oh yeah, they also have a way bigger reach. So
one thing that is clearly inevitable. I mean Amazon, the
(28:45):
got in on a Thursday night game. They're now getting.
They got a Black Friday game this year, which is
obviously big for them. I think they had that last
year as well. They have the Amazon Night game on Christmas.
To me, the YouTube thing week one Chiefs Chargers is fascinating, Like,
I mean, we all know, most of you. I'm sure
someone asked me the other day like how much time
(29:07):
do you spend on Twitter? And I'm like, honestly, if
I'm not sitting at my desk, I used to spend
you know, I would say ten eight, you know, seven
years ago a lot. And I think over the last
several years, the majority of time, even if I'm sitting
at my desk and definitely on my phone, the first
app I go do is either Instagram or YouTube. And
(29:29):
the NFL knows this, and they look like how much
money does Google have an unlimited amount? Yet we're gonna
start doing business with you. So if I was and
Lessen not. Fox changed my life. When I was a kid,
they got if you're my age, you know, forty, a
little younger and definitely older. You remember when Fox got
into the NFL, and it was I think ninety three
(29:51):
or ninety four, they signed John Madden. They come in
right as the forty nine ers and the Cowboys, I mean,
the Cowboys are starting this little five year dynasty. The
forty nine Ers had been winning for fifteen years. Farv
gets traded to Green Bay. It was the perfect storm
and it was an incredible move for Fox for the NFL.
It worked out perfectly, and they have been very loyal
(30:13):
to them forever. And now look at Fox. They try
really hard. They get Tom Brady. I saw Tom brady schedule.
Obviously a bunch of Cowboy games, the occasional like forty
nine or Eagle game, but it's the Cowboys win or lose.
The NFC they always lean with the Cowboys. But that
was a really, really big deal. And I think these
people and obviously these networks know, but they got to
(30:35):
be a little nervous now, like Netflix isn't just dipping
their toe in the water.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And here's the other thing the league has done.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They have given these Like if you put a game
on Netflix, like just a random game on Sunday afternoon
and there were multiple other games, it would not.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Be as powerful.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Amazon was smart getting the primetime package whatever several years
ago on Thursday Night.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You don't have to compete against anybody.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
The NFL was smart, Like, that's what we want you
to have. Because if you told me that, like, oh,
the Giants are playing the Jags, you know, one of
the ten am games on Amazon, you know what I
would do, and you would do more than likely, especially
if we didn't have money on the game, or you
didn't have a player on the fantasy team, you might
not put it on one of your televisions. Yet they
give all these streaming platforms Netflix, Amazon, and this YouTube.
(31:23):
You're not competing against anybody else. So even depending on
your setup at home, it's not a pain in the
ass at all because it's the only game on so
as we've seen the only game on television, especially if
it's the Cowboys or the Lions versus Minnesota, or the
Chiefs or the Chiefs versus Hardball, we know these games
are gonna do great because they're big time games with
(31:45):
big time people, either coaches or star players, and they're
gonna crush. So you're not only wetting their beak, you're
making them realize, Like God, this is a powerful fucking product.
Because whenever this new negotiation happens, which I think as
an opportunity in twenty twenty nine, I just wonder how
big of a player Fox and NBC and CBS are
(32:06):
gonna be able to compete against this, because the more
and more that these people get a taste of it,
it's like, God, did you see the numbers that Patrick
Mahomes and Jim Harbaugh did on YouTube? I'm speaking as
if I was like a Google executive. It's like, maybe
we should have asked for a couple more games. YouTube
TV's already in bed because they have the Direct TV.
(32:27):
You know, not it's not Direct TV, but what Direct
TV used to have the NFL package. I'm sure, like
many of you watch it every week.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
So it's to me, I'm fascinated by these streaming platforms that,
you know, Amazon clearly is not going away, and Netflix
getting more and more involved, and I think Florio wrote
about this, they're just stealing games away that would have Like,
where do you think Detroit and Minnesota would have been
if the Christmas Games had never existed in the league's Like, listen, well,
(32:55):
Adam Silver, you just you guys can handle Christmas. Throw
Lebron stay and you know, kitch on there and you
guys just have that day.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We'll just chill. Right.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Where would Detroit and Minnesota have gone? That would have
been potentially like a Tom Brady game, you know, on
that Sunday that would have been the primetime Fox game.
Where do you think Denver at Kansas City would have been?
Probably the primetime CBS game with Jim Nansen Antonio Rome.
So they're just yanking these games and handing them to
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a red flag on one situation, and I gotta say
I'm gonna support them in another. And I think two
things that have happened over the last couple days is
Trey Hendrickson basically went on record with Adam Schefter today
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discussing his displeasure that no one has talked to him
since the draft. There have been no communications on a
new contract. That sounds kind of crazy. When you read
the headline, you realize the draft was like two and
a half weeks ago. It's like we're acting like this
was four months ago. I don't think it's that crazy.
We're focused on the draft and we're focused on getting
the guys in. I don't think that's the craziest thing,
(36:12):
and we'll dive into that in a second. But the
bigger story was the Bengals first round pick Shamar Stewart,
the really physically gifted player from Texas A and m
athletic freak, didn't really produce at the level of his athleticism,
but was drafted seventeenth overall and pretty intriguing draft pick.
(36:33):
It's either kind of a boom or bus. Feels like
they're swinging for the fences. Don't hate it, don't love it,
understand it. Ad pick seventeen.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Don't hate it.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
He did not practice this week at rookie Mini camp,
which is kind of crazy, given that everyone practices if
they're healthy. He just stood there and watched. So like,
given that this is a borderline unprecedented situation, I had
to do some digging. There was an article today in
the Cincinnati Inquirer that one of the issues because I
(37:05):
thought one of the reasons all these guys practice not
because most of them have their rookie deal signed before
Rookie Mini caamp.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They do not.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
They typically get an injury waiver, so if something catastrophic
were to happen that they would be covered. And the
reality is The type of practice that you have now
at these rookie mini camps is a joke. I mean,
OTA's in general is nowhere near what it used to
be and the majority of this stuff is walk through
mental stuff. The chances of people getting hurt now are very,
(37:37):
very slim. Still, football still definitely a risk, and at
any moment someone could fall on you things that are
out of your control. So it's like there is some
understanding of a risk that you are taking now. The
issue that the Inquirer reported was everything is slotted now, right.
I just read that the Seattle Seahawks have signed the
(38:01):
North Dakota State Guard, who is the eighteenth overall pick.
So you are seeing rookie sign left and right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
What are you really arguing over? You can argue over.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Dates in which bonuses are paid, right, I give you
a signing bonus, How we pro rate that, how it's paid,
the percentage in which it's paid, and injury guarantees has
been an issue somewhat that teams have butted heads on. Well, Cincinnati,
I guess had offered Stewart a lower percentage than Dallas
(38:38):
Turner got in the same slot last year from the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
So He's like, at most we should just be.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
On par with that. There is a precedent set. So
while I will get into defending Cincinnati a little bit,
when it comes to Trey, this one feels like, listen,
part of the negotiation should be a little back and forth.
Shouldn't really be any with this. This should be pretty
black and white, like what are we doing. It's one
(39:05):
thing to low ball player that's a free agent because
he's high balling you and you end up meeting.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
In the middle.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
As high ball even a term, you know what I mean.
He comes in low, I come in high, and we
eventually know we're gonna meet in the middle. Right, you
list your house overpriced for a million dollars, I come
in at eight fifty. I know we're gonna end up
meeting at nine twenty eight, and be cool with it.
I know you'll take it. Your agent's already told my agent.
(39:31):
They're like, listen, if you can just get close to
the nine to fifty number, I said, listen, I'll come
up a little before nine.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But we're gonna meet in the middle. That's not what
this is. These things are slotted in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Like I think sometimes when you get a negative, there's
like a narrative or a talking point about you as
a human being, as a company, as a franchise. It's
hard to shake that right. And I would say when
people think about Cincinnati, their first reaction is somewhat negative.
(40:06):
It's like, ah, kind of a low level franchise, so
when this story comes out, it's easy for everyone to
pile on them. Where if you're a high level franchise,
Like if I had told you that Howie Rosman or
Less Sneed was in a standoff about a situation like this,
those guys would get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You'd be like, what's up with that fucking agent? And
here's the reality of agents.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The agent of the player does not give a shit
about the team.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
That is not his job.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I think sometimes they overhype, like I love my guys,
I love my relationship. No, you're in the business of
getting your two five, whatever your points are on the
deal to make money so that your seventeen year old
drives some mercedes as well. Like, this is a business,
let's not get it twisted. You can say it's a
human business, and it is. You're representing players, but you
wouldn't be doing this You're not doing this for charity here,
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You're doing it because there's a lot of money on
the line, and ideally you're buying it early to get
that second contract and really go che ching. So like,
the objective of the agent and the objective of the
team are never going to be the same. The team
only cares about doing what's best short and long term
for the franchise and trying to win. The agent just
(41:19):
does not give a shit the player he represents mit,
but the agent does not.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But in a.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Situation like this, like I'm sorry, bad look for the Bengals.
Also just bizarre, like of course this happens to the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
The Trey Hendrickson thing is a little uh. I would say,
there's a little more gray area. He's thirty years old,
will be thirty one, just had a career two years
where he had thirty five sacks. Would you be in
the business of giving one hundred plus million dollars to
a guy that broke out in his career at twenty
(41:55):
nine and thirty years old, Because I don't know, I
might struggle with that, Like it'd be one thing. It's like,
hey man, you could get me for two years and
sixty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I don't think he's signing that contract.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
He's looking at Max Crosby, he's looking at Miles Garrett
like he wants a long term, huge deal. And while
they just signed their two wide receivers, those guys are
younger players. Trey Hendrickson was not a guy they drafted.
He was a guy they got because it did not
work out for him in his first stop, and part
of that was injuries, part of that was just figuring
(42:27):
out how to become a pass rusher. And he's coming
to his own and he's been an excellent dominant player.
But I do understand if I ran the organization, and
I think this is how it would be if the
Ravens ran it, if the Eagles ran it, if the
Chiefs ran it. This isn't just a no brainer here, Trey,
here's your blank check. And I think for him, and
(42:47):
I saw JJ Watt tweeting like, of course, they told him,
have another big year and then we'll take care of you.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, this guy's this business.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
You know, this is one of those things. If it's
a little more complicated than just give him a bunch
of money, like ultimately, t Higgins is getting a lot
of money no matter what. The Bengals just had to decide, like,
are we going to invest a lot of money in
two players at the same position. This is one of
those where even good teams would be like, Yeah, we're
(43:14):
gonna hesitate on giving an older player that much money. Now,
maybe he goes on to have three more years no injuries,
kicks ass, and you look back and go, got it
a no brainer? What if, like you're a year and
a half in, You're like, God, he's already banged up
again because he was early on in his career. So
I think it's easy for him to come out and
kind of paint the Bengals as the bad guy, and
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no one is going to defend them because of what's
going on with their rookie. But I do think this
situation is a little more complicated, and they're going, you're
not a free agent. It's not like we're franchising you.
You're on a contract for fifteen million dollars like we've
already now. Listen, their owner's daughter had made some comments
a while back that not the way I would do business.
(43:58):
But I also think Trey coming out like this, I
don't think that's helping his cause either. So I think
this is a more complicated situation, and it's easy for
every swinging dick on television that played in the league
to go like.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He's getting screwed.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
He is getting fucking railroaded. And that's gonna be the
majority of shows you're gonna turn it on and listen.
Is he underpaid if they make him play at fifteen million,
one thousand percent?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
But like, what's he looking for? What deal would he
be willing to sign?
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Because if he goes Max Crosby or Miles Garrett, I
gotta say, no, dog, not for me. And the problem
is if you're the Bengals, like what's his market?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Does he have a lot of teams?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I know a lot of Lions fans hit me up
like when are we gonna do something big? Like what
are the Lions gonna trade a first round pick and
give him a hundred million dollars?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
No chance, so, cause that would be crazy business. The Rams.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Maybe they get back to their roots. They got two
first round picks. You never know, But I don't think
that one is as as like black and white, right
and wrong, you know, judging each side as I feel
like it's made out to be on the interwhip. The
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