This week on the podcast John talks about the passing of Colts owner Jim Irsay, he reacted to the video of Stefon Diggs on a boat with some pink stuff, and talked about Myles Garrett not being at OTA's. All that and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecock three and Out podcast doing a little best
(00:23):
of and a short week because of a Memorial Day,
so I didn't want to hit on a couple of things.
Jim Irsay he passed away last week, and you know
he's been if you're my age, right, if you've been
watching football the last twenty five thirty years. Once paid
Manning got drafted the Colts, Jim Mersay became a pretty
(00:45):
major figure in the league. Obviously during the Twitter age
he definitely did so. Some thoughts on that. Miles Garrett
good example why money does not buy happiness. He told
the Browns, I want out, So I don't blame him
for skipping practice, even if it is voluntary. When you
pay a guy one hundred and fifty million dollars, you
(01:06):
think you can show up just for a couple of
days and get a little sweated. And Stefan Dix was
making some headlines with his boat incident with the pink powder.
It's not even the craziest boat incident of the last
ten years, let alone the last twenty at A lot
of NFL players have found themselves on boats and it
(01:27):
didn't turn out well, So we'll dive into some of
the crazier boat situations over the years in the National
Football League. Obviously, if you're listening on Collins Feed, make
sure you subscribe to three and out appreciate everyone who has.
We had a lot of podcasts this week, so if
you missed any, we got you covered. We do daily podcasts.
This is a podcast, but it's every single day, so
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start with Jim Ursay, who passed away last week at
sixty five years old. Obviously, when you looked at him,
I was honestly blown away that he was that young.
I mean, sixty five is not old. In twenty twenty five,
(03:16):
he I think had been really struggling. There were some
pictures not this owner's meetings, but a previous one with
him on a wheelchair. He clearly been pretty sick over
recent times, and his daughters have taken over the team.
But I can't speak to him as an individual. I
never met the guy, but I do think he represented
(03:39):
a group of people that just aren't going to be
around very soon in the near future, and you could
argue they're not really around anymore. We have a couple, really,
we just have one big personality left. And whenever Jerry goes,
there is going to be an identity in the NFL
that I just gonna be missing now. So maybe it
(04:00):
won't matter because the league is so popular, But you
guys know where I stand when it comes to professional sports.
First and foremost, it's an entertainment product and it's become
reality television. And for most of my life, especially when
I was growing up, owners were massive characters in the
reality show that was pro sports. And you know, if
(04:23):
you grew up Eddie de barbelow Al Davis, I'd say
the biggest one of my lifetime was George Steinbrenner owning
the Yankees, and these guys were just massive personalities. They
were as famous as the coach, as the GM, sometimes
they were the GM, and as equals to the players,
(04:43):
and they let you be known. They basically did what
Jerry Jones does, gives an opinion on anything at all times,
not afraid. Zero f's given twenty four to seven three
sixty five, but in twenty twenty five, with the evaluations
of these teams, think about some of the big personalities
we have in the NFL. Now, you don't really hear
(05:04):
from him, Like it's like, well, the Brown's doing crazy shit.
With Jimmy Haslin, I never hear him talk. I never
hear him say a peep. I mean, honestly, if I
had to guess how many times he like addresses the
media year, I'd say it's under three. David Tepper, who
has led a pretty crazy first several years as the
owner of the Panthers, firing people left and right, crazy
(05:25):
articles coming out about him all the time. If I
want to hear David Tepper talk, I am more likely
to watch him on CNBC than I am to see
him do a sit down with like Adam Schefter. Like
those days are done. These guys don't speak, you know why,
because there's too much online. It doesn't even behoove them
to say a peep. Jerry Jones is a complete outlier,
(05:46):
and to me, Jim Ursay and Pat McAfee gave a
good kind of a good talk on Friday about the
impact that Ersay had on him and how when Pac
first got on Twitter, how ersay was so in true
and he got on and it's just like, we don't
really get that anymore, and that makes me sad. Also,
some reading I didn't know that much about him that
(06:08):
he became the general manager of the team at twenty
four years old. There really was something special about pro
sports in like the seventies and the eighties. It was
nowhere near the business vehicle that it was now. Can
you imagine if in the NFL an owner just made
(06:28):
his son the GM at twenty four years old. Even
if behind the scenes some of this stuff is kind
of going on, kids have a lot of pull. Kids
impact their father and tell them who to draft. You know,
the kid has a huge influence on the coach and
the GM. I'm sure it happens. You would be naive
to think it doesn't. But none of these owners are
(06:51):
just being like, yeah, my son is going to be
the GM of the team. And that's what happened with
Jim Irsay in the early eighties, and that there was
just something I don't know, kind of chaotic but also
very very interesting. Now, luckily, I think because we have
so many young gms and the money so big that
we get way more transactions and crazy trades. That has
(07:14):
kind of been an additive to the sport. But the
day and age of Al Davis getting in front of
the media with an overhead projector reading him the letter
that he sent Lane Kiffin why he fired him for
cause are just done, Like we don't get that anymore.
And I think Jim Ersay was kind of viewed as
(07:35):
a crazy character. Obviously, he did a lot of good
things behind the scenes in terms of giving back, and
that's been well documented over the last four or five years.
But when you just said the words Jim Ersay to me,
I thought like big personality and a guy who you know,
when he really had his fastball, didn't give a shit
and just wasn't afraid to just say what was on
(07:56):
his mind, right or wrong. And you don't have to
agree with every everything that is that he did over
the years when it came to his football team if
you're a Colts fan, but at least you appreciate it
like he wasn't scared. It didn't ever felt like he
was really hiding. Maybe it felt like that over the
last couple of years as he got I would say
old fast, but I think we just miss these type
(08:18):
guys that were part of a league, and I read
a good article like this guy came up with his
dad in a league that does not parallel what we
are going through right now, with salary cap of almost
three hundred million dollars, with these crazy television deals. Like
these owners did not have close to the money and
(08:39):
definitely not the revenue streams back in the day, and
that led to them, I think, not really giving a shit,
and I'm gonna miss that. I'm a sucker for that.
Like Jerry Jones, who knows how much longer we have
of him now. You could argue he's a little overkilled
because he talks so much, but at least he's willing
(08:59):
to say some you know, because most of these owners
do not say a peep, no matter how crazy the
stuff they do. So you know, I'll think of Jim Mersay. Listen,
when Peyton Manning went there, I became a big Colts fan.
I rooted for them. I really wanted them to beat
the Patriots when I was in high school and in college,
and they never could until finally that game in six.
(09:22):
He does have to get credit because for a guy
that became the GM hired Bill Pollian, who's a Hall
of Fame GM who obviously went on to draft Peyton
Manning and build the team that was in the two
thousands easily, I would say, the second best team of
that of that decade. And if it wasn't for Belichick
and Brady, who knows, maybe they have three or four
(09:44):
rings during that time. But yeah, rip to Jim Mersay.
There was a boat incident with Stefan Diggs, Cardi b
and some I think, as the kids say it, thoughts,
taughts in luncers, strippers, hookers, a lot of chicks on
(10:04):
a boat that included some drugs. Now, I'm not the
moral police here. I don't care what you do for
fun personally, not a huge upper guy. I'm not a
drug guy in general. I don't know. I like going
to bed much more of like a day hangout party guy,
maybe some cocktails by a pool, lake golf course than
(10:26):
I am trying to stay up all night. So can't
totally relate to that, but understand it lived long enough
in this world to know some people like that stuff.
So I had also not naive enough to think that
there are people in the NFL, maybe guys that own
the team that don't dabble in some booger sugar. I
did not know what a pink powder was when step
(10:48):
On Digs handed it. We've seen a lot of different
people on the internet kind of break it down to
the little mixture of a party cocktail for your nostrils. Now,
I think sometimes when you get on a boat as
an NFL player, things have not gone well historically, And
on a serious note, I've talked a lot about you
(11:11):
know how difficult it is, and I've used Ben Johnson
as an example because he was an elite coordinator. I mean,
he's the best coordinator in the league the last couple
of years. But when something like this happened, if it
did happen with the Lions, it was on the general
manager and Dan Campbell to handle it. It's not his problem.
When Jamison Williams had an issue with a gun and
(11:33):
pulled over with a brother, that's Dan Campbell and Brad
Holmes problem. It's not Ben Johnson's problem. So when this
happens for Mike Vrabel, it's like he's been head coach
in the NFL for a long time. There is no
chance that he hasn't had drug issues with players before,
he knows how to handle it. Whether he handles it
correctly or not, time will tell. You could argue why
(11:55):
you even signed him in the first place, but he
has experience with this exact situation. So I think when
you look at this boat situation for the Patriots, it's
kind of funny, but also like you know, when you
get a player like this who's dating Cardi B. If
(12:15):
I told you right now that Cardi B was just
dating some other entertainer, actor, rapper or whatever and was
on a boat with a ton of other stripper looking
chicks and a dude and they were just partying all day,
would you imagine drugs would be involved. I think the
answer would be yes. So really, just because it's Digs
(12:37):
and not someone that fits some other line of work,
it's pretty jarring to see if you are Mike Rabel
and the Patriots brass and if your digs in his age,
and it's like, bro, let's keep our head on a
swivel here for the cameras, but we have some recent
memory or some recent events, obviously the Odell Beckham situation,
(12:58):
Because if you're on a boat doing stupid bid shit
in the middle of May, or late mate who really
cares one. He has a torney acl. He couldn't even
practice if he wanted to. He's not even gonna be ready.
Week one, Odell Beckham and crew went to a boat.
I had forgotten the exact date. It's like, did they
have a bye week? I'm like, no, that was Tony
Romo when he went with Jason Witten to cam Kun,
(13:19):
which honestly isn't even that crazy. He's definitely not the
first and won't be the last player to go hang
out for a couple days as the number one seed
during the bye Weird look, I guess if you're the
starting quarterback who's never had much success in the playoffs,
you're dating someone really famous, as he was Jessica Simpson.
But Odo Beckham because the season used to end right
(13:41):
around New Year's because it wasn't seventeen games, it was
only sixteen, so either the thirty first, the first, the thirtieth,
right around there. So the New York Giants flew down
to Miami on Monday of a playoff week, and they
proceeded I'm pretty sure to get blown out, like forty
to ten. They got des and he got destroyed as well.
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But you can even argue, is that that crazy? It's
like these guys all five private I don't know how
long the private jet is from New York to Miami,
a couple hours, two, three, three and a half, two whatever,
But that not that wild. One event that gets lost
in translation that has never talked about anymore is the
(14:23):
love Boat. And sometimes I just miss pre social media
events because I feel like they were actually way crazier
than anything that could happen now because of a camera.
Like if I was to defend Stephan Diggs, you would
have to be pretty naive to think he's the only
guy in the NFL in the off season that is
(14:47):
dabbling in some drugs you know, anti drugs here. But
I'm also not dumb enough to think that some people
are having a good time with some things they probably
shouldn't be and that aren't the healthiest thing for the
and can result in problems. But helt young people, especially
with money, tends to be a rich guy drug. That's
what cocaine is. And the love Boat with the Minnesota
(15:11):
Vikings in two thousand and five is something we just
do not talk about enough because the franchise, it was
right post Randy Moss. Dante Culpepper was very famous quarterback,
Fred Smoot pretty sure it was one of the better
corners in the league. Bryant McKinney was a star left tackle,
and they had just a solid team, and they chartered
(15:34):
a boat with other people. So it was a bunch
of players, a bunch of hoes, and just some random people.
And I had to google the event because they got
in big trouble and I was like, what exactly happened
on the love boat? And then I read this article
that said eye witnessed reports starting offensive lineman Bryant McKinney
(15:55):
is charged with giving and receiving. He's a giver oral
sex from an unidentified woman. Fred Smoot, who is believed
to have chartered the boat with another player, was charged
with using a sex toy on not one, but two
unclothed women. The witnesses say all the acts happened in
(16:18):
view of the other passengers. These cats were just having
a massive orgy. Pre I mean, two thousand and five,
I'm not even sure that we had cameras on cell phones.
This thing was like a vivid shoot in the Hollywood Hills,
just out in the lake in Minnesota. All these guys
got in big trouble. This also was during the season.
So while the Stefan digs situation funny, I do think
(16:44):
to go party on a boat playoff game then get
your ass kicked and have an orgy mid season on
a boat actually is a little bit crazier. So just
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I'm sure a lot of people have used this phrase,
but we've all heard it over the years. When someone
tells you who they are, listen definitely in scouting right.
It's kind of an old adage. The young man will
tell you through his actions, his maturity, how much he
cares when you're scouting him. So don't be surprised when
(19:14):
you knew everything and then you get him to the
NFL team and he's already proven who he was now.
Some people change, some people mature, but Miles Garrett didn't
run away from his feelings about the Cleveland Browns this offseason.
He went to the Super Bowl on a mission, I
want a trade, get me out of here. In the
(19:35):
Cleveland Browns, because of their owner and his desire to
get to Shun Watson, put themselves into predicament worst contract
of all time. The guy now has multiple achilles to
tears over the last six months. Is a disaster. Is
an anchor on the franchise, but they were given it out.
They have a thirty plus year old all time great
(19:56):
talent who wanted to leave and they could have traded
him for a hull, and then it turns out they
could fleece the Jags and get multiple first round picks
based on a trade back from two to five. So
if they had played it right, which I would imagine
the coach in the GM would have been willing to do,
they could be here flush with picks. But you know
(20:17):
what they did instead, the owner like with Deshaun Watson,
because listen, money could make a lot of people shut up. Now, Listen,
money changes a lot of our lives, right, especially for
more most people. It just cures our basic necessities, pays
for room and board, pays for food, pays for transportation,
(20:37):
like it's pretty important to most of us. And then
you get really rich. A guy like Miles Garrett who's
made one hundred and twenty three million dollars at the
end of last season at thirty years old. It's an
astronomical amount of money. And given that he's still in
the prime of his career, whether it was the Browns
or someone else, he would have another one hundred and
fifty million dollars one percent come his way. And that
(21:00):
doesn't even count anything he does off the field. This
guy has a ton of cash. Money is not going
to change how you feel at all when you're that rich.
So when Jimmy Haslm's like, I'm not trading you, which
is his prerogative, but it made no sense, and I
remember thinking, like, why don't you just trade him right now?
He's giving you the out because if you just imprompt
(21:23):
you traded him and he didn't want to leave, there
would be pushback because most fans would go, this guy
is one of the more talented guys in the history
of this team and franchise and in the league. You
could argue he's the most talented or definitely top two
or three most talented guy in the prime of his
career in the league currently. But he said he wanted
out and they refuse to do it, and Jimmy Haslam
(21:46):
gave him one hundred and twenty five million dollars to
shut him up. Miles Garrett told him, I don't want
to be there. So when I see the story that
he's in Japan with his girlfriend at the Anime Awards,
and there was a story after they paid him that
internally they wanted him to step up. He'd been showing
up late. They think he could be a much better leader.
(22:06):
He doesn't want to play for your franchise, and just
because you gave him a lot of money is not
going to change that feeling internally for the guy. The
volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecock three and Out podcast doing a little best
(00:23):
of and a short week because of a Memorial Day,
so I didn't want to hit on a couple of things.
Jim Irsay he passed away last week, and you know
he's been if you're my age, right, if you've been
watching football the last twenty five thirty years. Once paid
Manning got drafted the Colts, Jim Mersay became a pretty
(00:45):
major figure in the league. Obviously during the Twitter age
he definitely did so. Some thoughts on that. Miles Garrett
good example why money does not buy happiness. He told
the Browns, I want out, So I don't blame him
for skipping practice, even if it is voluntary. When you
pay a guy one hundred and fifty million dollars, you
(01:06):
think you can show up just for a couple of
days and get a little sweated. And Stefan Dix was
making some headlines with his boat incident with the pink powder.
It's not even the craziest boat incident of the last
ten years, let alone the last twenty at A lot
of NFL players have found themselves on boats and it
(01:27):
didn't turn out well, So we'll dive into some of
the crazier boat situations over the years in the National
Football League. Obviously, if you're listening on Collins Feed, make
sure you subscribe to three and out appreciate everyone who has.
We had a lot of podcasts this week, so if
you missed any, we got you covered. We do daily podcasts.
This is a podcast, but it's every single day, so
(01:49):
we're pumping out a lot of content. Put it all
up on the YouTube page as well. Just type in
my name. A lot of content up on the old
YouTube page as well. So let's talk a little football.
But before we dive into some football stuff, you know,
I gotta tell you about my friends, my partners, and
the official ticketing app of this podcast. Listen. Do you
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want to go to a game? Do you want to
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tickets low as price is guaranteed. Okay, I wanted to
start with Jim Ursay, who passed away last week at
sixty five years old. Obviously, when you looked at him,
I was honestly blown away that he was that young.
I mean, sixty five is not old. In twenty twenty five,
(03:16):
he I think had been really struggling. There were some
pictures not this owner's meetings, but a previous one with
him on a wheelchair. He clearly been pretty sick over
recent times, and his daughters have taken over the team.
But I can't speak to him as an individual. I
never met the guy, but I do think he represented
(03:39):
a group of people that just aren't going to be
around very soon in the near future, and you could
argue they're not really around anymore. We have a couple, really,
we just have one big personality left. And whenever Jerry goes,
there is going to be an identity in the NFL
that I just gonna be missing now. So maybe it
(04:00):
won't matter because the league is so popular, But you
guys know where I stand when it comes to professional sports.
First and foremost, it's an entertainment product and it's become
reality television. And for most of my life, especially when
I was growing up, owners were massive characters in the
reality show that was pro sports. And you know, if
(04:23):
you grew up Eddie de barbelow Al Davis, I'd say
the biggest one of my lifetime was George Steinbrenner owning
the Yankees, and these guys were just massive personalities. They
were as famous as the coach, as the GM, sometimes
they were the GM, and as equals to the players,
(04:43):
and they let you be known. They basically did what
Jerry Jones does, gives an opinion on anything at all times,
not afraid. Zero f's given twenty four to seven three
sixty five, but in twenty twenty five, with the evaluations
of these teams, think about some of the big personalities
we have in the NFL. Now, you don't really hear
(05:04):
from him, Like it's like, well, the Brown's doing crazy shit.
With Jimmy Haslin, I never hear him talk. I never
hear him say a peep. I mean, honestly, if I
had to guess how many times he like addresses the
media year, I'd say it's under three. David Tepper, who
has led a pretty crazy first several years as the
owner of the Panthers, firing people left and right, crazy
(05:25):
articles coming out about him all the time. If I
want to hear David Tepper talk, I am more likely
to watch him on CNBC than I am to see
him do a sit down with like Adam Schefter. Like
those days are done. These guys don't speak, you know why,
because there's too much online. It doesn't even behoove them
to say a peep. Jerry Jones is a complete outlier,
(05:46):
and to me, Jim Ursay and Pat McAfee gave a
good kind of a good talk on Friday about the
impact that Ersay had on him and how when Pac
first got on Twitter, how ersay was so in true
and he got on and it's just like, we don't
really get that anymore, and that makes me sad. Also,
some reading I didn't know that much about him that
(06:08):
he became the general manager of the team at twenty
four years old. There really was something special about pro
sports in like the seventies and the eighties. It was
nowhere near the business vehicle that it was now. Can
you imagine if in the NFL an owner just made
(06:28):
his son the GM at twenty four years old. Even
if behind the scenes some of this stuff is kind
of going on, kids have a lot of pull. Kids
impact their father and tell them who to draft. You know,
the kid has a huge influence on the coach and
the GM. I'm sure it happens. You would be naive
to think it doesn't. But none of these owners are
(06:51):
just being like, yeah, my son is going to be
the GM of the team. And that's what happened with
Jim Irsay in the early eighties, and that there was
just something I don't know, kind of chaotic but also
very very interesting. Now, luckily, I think because we have
so many young gms and the money so big that
we get way more transactions and crazy trades. That has
(07:14):
kind of been an additive to the sport. But the
day and age of Al Davis getting in front of
the media with an overhead projector reading him the letter
that he sent Lane Kiffin why he fired him for
cause are just done, Like we don't get that anymore.
And I think Jim Ersay was kind of viewed as
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a crazy character. Obviously, he did a lot of good
things behind the scenes in terms of giving back, and
that's been well documented over the last four or five years.
But when you just said the words Jim Ersay to me,
I thought like big personality and a guy who you know,
when he really had his fastball, didn't give a shit
and just wasn't afraid to just say what was on
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his mind, right or wrong. And you don't have to
agree with every everything that is that he did over
the years when it came to his football team if
you're a Colts fan, but at least you appreciate it
like he wasn't scared. It didn't ever felt like he
was really hiding. Maybe it felt like that over the
last couple of years as he got I would say
old fast, but I think we just miss these type
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guys that were part of a league, and I read
a good article like this guy came up with his
dad in a league that does not parallel what we
are going through right now, with salary cap of almost
three hundred million dollars, with these crazy television deals. Like
these owners did not have close to the money and
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definitely not the revenue streams back in the day, and
that led to them, I think, not really giving a shit,
and I'm gonna miss that. I'm a sucker for that.
Like Jerry Jones, who knows how much longer we have
of him now. You could argue he's a little overkilled
because he talks so much, but at least he's willing
(08:59):
to say some you know, because most of these owners
do not say a peep, no matter how crazy the
stuff they do. So you know, I'll think of Jim Mersay. Listen,
when Peyton Manning went there, I became a big Colts fan.
I rooted for them. I really wanted them to beat
the Patriots when I was in high school and in college,
and they never could until finally that game in six.
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He does have to get credit because for a guy
that became the GM hired Bill Pollian, who's a Hall
of Fame GM who obviously went on to draft Peyton
Manning and build the team that was in the two
thousands easily, I would say, the second best team of
that of that decade. And if it wasn't for Belichick
and Brady, who knows, maybe they have three or four
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rings during that time. But yeah, rip to Jim Mersay.
There was a boat incident with Stefan Diggs, Cardi b
and some I think, as the kids say it, thoughts,
taughts in luncers, strippers, hookers, a lot of chicks on
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a boat that included some drugs. Now, I'm not the
moral police here. I don't care what you do for
fun personally, not a huge upper guy. I'm not a
drug guy in general. I don't know. I like going
to bed much more of like a day hangout party guy,
maybe some cocktails by a pool, lake golf course than
(10:26):
I am trying to stay up all night. So can't
totally relate to that, but understand it lived long enough
in this world to know some people like that stuff.
So I had also not naive enough to think that
there are people in the NFL, maybe guys that own
the team that don't dabble in some booger sugar. I
did not know what a pink powder was when step
(10:48):
On Digs handed it. We've seen a lot of different
people on the internet kind of break it down to
the little mixture of a party cocktail for your nostrils. Now,
I think sometimes when you get on a boat as
an NFL player, things have not gone well historically, And
on a serious note, I've talked a lot about you
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know how difficult it is, and I've used Ben Johnson
as an example because he was an elite coordinator. I mean,
he's the best coordinator in the league the last couple
of years. But when something like this happened, if it
did happen with the Lions, it was on the general
manager and Dan Campbell to handle it. It's not his problem.
When Jamison Williams had an issue with a gun and
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pulled over with a brother, that's Dan Campbell and Brad
Holmes problem. It's not Ben Johnson's problem. So when this
happens for Mike Vrabel, it's like he's been head coach
in the NFL for a long time. There is no
chance that he hasn't had drug issues with players before,
he knows how to handle it. Whether he handles it
correctly or not, time will tell. You could argue why
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you even signed him in the first place, but he
has experience with this exact situation. So I think when
you look at this boat situation for the Patriots, it's
kind of funny, but also like you know, when you
get a player like this who's dating Cardi B. If
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I told you right now that Cardi B was just
dating some other entertainer, actor, rapper or whatever and was
on a boat with a ton of other stripper looking
chicks and a dude and they were just partying all day,
would you imagine drugs would be involved. I think the
answer would be yes. So really, just because it's Digs
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and not someone that fits some other line of work,
it's pretty jarring to see if you are Mike Rabel
and the Patriots brass and if your digs in his age,
and it's like, bro, let's keep our head on a
swivel here for the cameras, but we have some recent
memory or some recent events, obviously the Odell Beckham situation,
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Because if you're on a boat doing stupid bid shit
in the middle of May, or late mate who really
cares one. He has a torney acl. He couldn't even
practice if he wanted to. He's not even gonna be ready.
Week one, Odell Beckham and crew went to a boat.
I had forgotten the exact date. It's like, did they
have a bye week? I'm like, no, that was Tony
Romo when he went with Jason Witten to cam Kun,
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which honestly isn't even that crazy. He's definitely not the
first and won't be the last player to go hang
out for a couple days as the number one seed
during the bye Weird look, I guess if you're the
starting quarterback who's never had much success in the playoffs,
you're dating someone really famous, as he was Jessica Simpson.
But Odo Beckham because the season used to end right
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around New Year's because it wasn't seventeen games, it was
only sixteen, so either the thirty first, the first, the thirtieth,
right around there. So the New York Giants flew down
to Miami on Monday of a playoff week, and they
proceeded I'm pretty sure to get blown out, like forty
to ten. They got des and he got destroyed as well.
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But you can even argue, is that that crazy? It's
like these guys all five private I don't know how
long the private jet is from New York to Miami,
a couple hours, two, three, three and a half, two whatever,
But that not that wild. One event that gets lost
in translation that has never talked about anymore is the
(14:23):
love Boat. And sometimes I just miss pre social media
events because I feel like they were actually way crazier
than anything that could happen now because of a camera.
Like if I was to defend Stephan Diggs, you would
have to be pretty naive to think he's the only
guy in the NFL in the off season that is
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dabbling in some drugs you know, anti drugs here. But
I'm also not dumb enough to think that some people
are having a good time with some things they probably
shouldn't be and that aren't the healthiest thing for the
and can result in problems. But helt young people, especially
with money, tends to be a rich guy drug. That's
what cocaine is. And the love Boat with the Minnesota
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Vikings in two thousand and five is something we just
do not talk about enough because the franchise, it was
right post Randy Moss. Dante Culpepper was very famous quarterback,
Fred Smoot pretty sure it was one of the better
corners in the league. Bryant McKinney was a star left tackle,
and they had just a solid team, and they chartered
(15:34):
a boat with other people. So it was a bunch
of players, a bunch of hoes, and just some random people.
And I had to google the event because they got
in big trouble and I was like, what exactly happened
on the love boat? And then I read this article
that said eye witnessed reports starting offensive lineman Bryant McKinney
(15:55):
is charged with giving and receiving. He's a giver oral
sex from an unidentified woman. Fred Smoot, who is believed
to have chartered the boat with another player, was charged
with using a sex toy on not one, but two
unclothed women. The witnesses say all the acts happened in
(16:18):
view of the other passengers. These cats were just having
a massive orgy. Pre I mean, two thousand and five,
I'm not even sure that we had cameras on cell phones.
This thing was like a vivid shoot in the Hollywood Hills,
just out in the lake in Minnesota. All these guys
got in big trouble. This also was during the season.
So while the Stefan digs situation funny, I do think
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to go party on a boat playoff game then get
your ass kicked and have an orgy mid season on
a boat actually is a little bit crazier. So just
wanted to put a little context into boat Gate. The
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but we've all heard it over the years. When someone
tells you who they are, listen definitely in scouting right.
It's kind of an old adage. The young man will
tell you through his actions, his maturity, how much he
cares when you're scouting him. So don't be surprised when
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you knew everything and then you get him to the
NFL team and he's already proven who he was now.
Some people change, some people mature, but Miles Garrett didn't
run away from his feelings about the Cleveland Browns this offseason.
He went to the Super Bowl on a mission, I
want a trade, get me out of here. In the
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Cleveland Browns, because of their owner and his desire to
get to Shun Watson, put themselves into predicament worst contract
of all time. The guy now has multiple achilles to
tears over the last six months. Is a disaster. Is
an anchor on the franchise, but they were given it out.
They have a thirty plus year old all time great
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talent who wanted to leave and they could have traded
him for a hull, and then it turns out they
could fleece the Jags and get multiple first round picks
based on a trade back from two to five. So
if they had played it right, which I would imagine
the coach in the GM would have been willing to do,
they could be here flush with picks. But you know
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what they did instead, the owner like with Deshaun Watson,
because listen, money could make a lot of people shut up. Now, Listen,
money changes a lot of our lives, right, especially for
more most people. It just cures our basic necessities, pays
for room and board, pays for food, pays for transportation,
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like it's pretty important to most of us. And then
you get really rich. A guy like Miles Garrett who's
made one hundred and twenty three million dollars at the
end of last season at thirty years old. It's an
astronomical amount of money. And given that he's still in
the prime of his career, whether it was the Browns
or someone else, he would have another one hundred and
fifty million dollars one percent come his way. And that
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doesn't even count anything he does off the field. This
guy has a ton of cash. Money is not going
to change how you feel at all when you're that rich.
So when Jimmy Haslm's like, I'm not trading you, which
is his prerogative, but it made no sense, and I
remember thinking, like, why don't you just trade him right now?
He's giving you the out because if you just imprompt
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you traded him and he didn't want to leave, there
would be pushback because most fans would go, this guy
is one of the more talented guys in the history
of this team and franchise and in the league. You
could argue he's the most talented or definitely top two
or three most talented guy in the prime of his
career in the league currently. But he said he wanted
out and they refuse to do it, and Jimmy Haslam
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gave him one hundred and twenty five million dollars to
shut him up. Miles Garrett told him, I don't want
to be there. So when I see the story that
he's in Japan with his girlfriend at the Anime Awards,
and there was a story after they paid him that
internally they wanted him to step up. He'd been showing
up late. They think he could be a much better leader.
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He doesn't want to play for your franchise, and just
because you gave him a lot of money is not
going to change that feeling internally for the guy. The
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