3 & Out - Black Monday REACTION, which coaches are OUT and who is SAFE - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Zone Pouches. Hopefully everyone is having a great day, better
than Stefanski, Carol and Gannon who felt the wrath of
Black Monday all fired. We will dive into some thoughts
with those guys, some of the gms did survive. We'll
discuss selective accountability and this Matt Ryan story, how it

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looks like he's going to be an executive for Atlanta
but keep his television job. Have some thoughts there as well,
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good Saturday night game. We saw earlier this season it

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was it was incredible theater. So buckle up, baby. So
let's just dive right in to the Black Monday and
the Raiders, the Arizona Cardinals, and the Cleveland Browns all
fire their coaches. I mean, well before you're probably finished breakfast,
depending on where you lived. I mean when I woke up,

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slept in a little bit this morning, but Stefanski was
already done. I think by the time Jonathan Gannon, at
least my time in here in Arizona was like maybe
nine o'clock in the morning, hal was felt inevitable. And
I think when you look at those three guys situations,
I think becoming a head coach there is something that

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clearly makes or breaks you. Listen, we harp on ownership,
we harp on the relationship with a GM, but at
the end of the day, if you get the quarterback right,
you're not only gonna survive, you're gonna win games. You know,
getting in a relationship or getting in a business partnership
with another individual can change your life for the good

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or the bad. I know a lot of people in
my life that have gone through divorces and they get
pretty ugly, especially financially, if you get married to the
wrong woman, it can have major consequences. If you get
into business with the wrong person, it can be a disaster.
And I'm not just talking money, I'm talking emotional stress

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that comes along with it. You dedicate a lot of
your life to these things, no different than a football coach.
They spend countless hours in the office, honestly, probably too much.
So Signetti went on a rant about these guys, like,
you don't need to work twenty hours a day. You know,
Bruce Arian has been saying this forever, like you don't
need to be in the office till one o'clock in
the morning. What are you doing. We're playing football here, right,

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We're not reinventing a bridge. And I think all these
guys share a common characteristic. They got in bed with
the wrong quarterback. It was pretty simple, you know, when
you look at Pete Carroll. He went with Geno Smith,
who was thirty five years old, who he had some
success with with the Raiders. Now you could argue it
wasn't all his choice. There were some rumors that Tom

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Brady was anti Sam Donald. Clearly wrong decision there, and
clearly the right decision for Sam Donald to go to Seattle,
but Gino Smith was a disaster. I mean, simply put
a disaster. Nineteen touchdowns, seventeen interceptions, was two and thirteen
in the games he started, and was just not very good.
Turned the ball over at way too rapid of a rate,

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and you couldn't win with them. And clearly their team
is not good enough to overcome average quarterback play, let
alone bottom five or six quarterback play in the league. Arizona.
Jonathan Gannon accepted a head coaching job when he was
in a great situation that he could have been I
would say somewhat choosy with where he went with Kyler

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Murray and listen at the end of the day at
this point in time, like this is nothing personal, but
this is just a reality to the NFL. Kyler Burr's
got a lot of people fire Cliff Kingsbury run out
of town, Steve Kim run out of town. Jonathan Gannon
run out of town. Awesome for the GM is gonna survive,
and he's gonna run Kyler out of town. So Kyler

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was one of those guys. If you went all in
on him and he became your quarterback, you were not
gonna have a job long and he was gonna make
a lot of money while you were around him. And
it did not go well. And listen, he got hurt
on their watch. Obviously he didn't play very well when
he did. I mean, he essentially got bench this year.
They can say it was the injury. Clearly Jacobe was
way better. And then when you look at Kevin Stefanski,

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I'm not putting the Deshaun Watson situation all on him.
Who only Andrew Berry, Stefanski and Jimmy Haslam and probably
Mulgeeda truly knows the dynamics how that deal got done.
But that thing was an absolute train wreck. And Jimmy
Haslam's not going to fire himself for that because he

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signed off on the contract. But here was the thing,
and I was thinking about this this morning. They gave
Stefanski the opportunity to kind of find his party, maybe
not at that level, but just a guy that could
just get them going in the right direction. Kevin Stefanski
did not need to make the playoffs this year. This
was a season for the Browns where if he had

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drafted a guy in the second, third or fourth round
and just had them competitive, you know, I would say
between seven to nine wins and just kind of in
the mix, win some big games and just look like
a functional organization. I think Kevin Stevanski will still be
the coach in Cleveland. But you can't convince me that
when they took Dylan Gabriel that he wasn't all over that,

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because that is the type quarterback that those type coaches like.
I remember when Kyle Shanahan first got the job, he
drafted c. J. Bethard in the third round. It was
an insane pick at the time, but he likes guys
like that. He drafted Rourke, the quarterback from Indiana last
year in the seventh round. We see a lot of
these guys in the Shanahan system. Sean McVay drafted Sesin

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Bennett in the fifth. They don't need like they will
gravitate toward guys that the scouting community will be like
what and the Dylan Gabriel situation was an epic disaster.
He can't play so like I would even separate the
stor thing because who knows the dynamics and that I
think the owner was heavily involved. But to me, once

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he got his opportunity to just get them moving. His
choice was borderline unplayable, and I think that that had
to play a huge factor. And I think you see
all three of these guys g You know, Smith got
a decent amount of money. They trade a third round
pick for Kevin Stefanski. He this third round pick on
Dylan Gabriel. Most people I knew in the league that
he was an undrafted free agent. And obviously Jonathan Gannon

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just took a job where they were heavily invested in
Kyler Murray. And when you take that job, you go, yeah,
I can make it work because you want to say that,
you get this huge raise, you start making way more money,
you know, and then it blows up in your face.
And obviously this year they had a million injuries and
they were just a train wreck. I mean, they haven't
won a game in forever, and honestly, they weren't even

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playing that bad yesterday against the Rams. It just the
war of attrition. As the game went on, the Rams
just started run circles around them. So I think you
got to be very careful. And the number one thing
I would tell all these guys, and I get it,
it's it's these are ambitious people and I'm not just
talking Jannon in Stuff, Fanski and Pete Carroll, but I'm

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just talking a lot of coaches in the league. They
want to be at the head of the conference table,
not on the side, right. That is what they aspire
to do. They don't want to make suggestions, they want
to make decisions. They want to go and financially it
has a huge, huge impact on You make a lot
of money being a coordinator relative to the rest of society.

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You know, a lot of these guys, if they're OC's
or DC's are making two, three, four, five million dollars
if you're a guy like Robert Soli, but you want
to be a head coach and becoming a head coach
can pay you eight, ten, twelve million dollars. Ben Johnson
last year was making a lot with the Lions, and
then he became the head coach of the Bears and
makes thirteen million dollars a year. So there's financial aspects

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of it. There is just ambition, you know, in someone's
soul and what they aspire to do. There is wanting
to take your shot at the highest level against the
best of the best. But you better know what you're
doing when you sign up, and the quarterback position, more
than all the other positions, changes the course of your
life professionally, no different than like I said, who you

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marry and who you get into business with, because if
you make the right decisions on those, life's great as
well as it can be. Obviously there are twists and
turns always we don't control anything, but it makes life
a lot easier. And these guys you know, just had
quarterback situations that became you know, toxic fast. It did

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not work, and they all got fired. And I would
I said the same thing on Sunday night about Raheem Morris.
What got Raheem Morris fired was the month's stretch where
he gave Kirk Cousins two years, four year contract, but
he even two years, one hundred million dollars and they
drafted Michael Pennocks number eight overall. Two years later, Cousins
has made I think ninety two one hundred million dollars

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and Penicks has a torn acl That's why I got
fired full stop, you know, because that led them to
losing games. And I think it's no different with these
guys so and that leads me to like the selective accountability.
You know, when guys are higher gms and coaches like
tandem new Oh, they're on the same contract. They both

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have five years. Here's the problem is, when you're winning,
everything's great. People are arms and arm in arm. The
city loves both guys. You know, positive reinforcement from the
fan base, from the ownership when you were losing. No
different than life. When shit hits the fan, you find

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out someone's true colors. That's how football is because when
you start losing, people start pointing fingers. And that's where
coaches very quickly can be out on a professional island.
Because every time that we're sitting on our couch watching
these games on Sundays, where are the general managers. They're
typically in a suite with the owner. And here's the

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other thing. The language the coaches speak x's and o's
the UH, a language that most human beings, even scouts
and people in the front office, can't speak the language
of an offensive or defensive code of a coordinator or
a head coach or a special team. They don't speak
that language. Well, the owner definitely doesn't speak that language.

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What language does the GM speak? Contracts? Basic players, This
guy's good, this guy's bad. Talking the draft coaches during
the season have a whistle around their neck and they're
obsessed with plays on offensive defense and what will work
on Sunday. I mean, the owners obviously chimes in and talks,
but he speaks English. They speak Chinese, which is football,

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so they can't communicate on the same wavelength. I'm not
talking every coach. I'm just saying, once you get in trouble,
the GM is speaking more what they can understand. And
here's the other thing about the gms. They don't want
to lose their job because, unlike coaches, most general managers
get one GM job in that career. A lot of coaches,

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like Kevin Stefanski, there's a decent chance Kevin Stefanski is
going to be hired in the next like two weeks. Right,
if Andrew Berry was fired, there's no guarantee that he's
getting another job, not just this cycle, but many cycles.
He could just be in number two for a while.
We've seen a lot of guys b gms. Thomas de
Metrov had a really really good run in Atlanta. Right

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drafted Matt Ryan, drafted Julio Jones. They went to an
NFC championship game, They went to a fool. Never been
to the GM again, never will be. That's just over,
dan Quinn. Meanwhile, he got a second shot. How's that
going in Washington? Last time I checked? Not great? But
they get a second shot. And I think that's the
thing with gms, that they are in survival mode, just
like a lot of people. You know, I worked in

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the corporate world for a couple of years in the radio,
and I had never been in that environment, and I
just saw all these people just that are just survivors.
And many of you that are watching or listening this
can relate people in management positions. They're like, what's this
guy doing? I don't know, but he'll do anything to
keep that job that pays him six figures. He will
do absolutely anything. And that's no different than gms, because

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you can't convince me, like, how does Stefanski lose his
job and Andrew Barry keep his job? How does Brian
da Ball lose his job and Joe Shane keep his job?
How does Jonathan Gannon keep his job or lose his job?
In Monte Austin Ford keep his job? Pretty easy because
they force the coach on this island and they get
cozy up with the owner, and the owner likes them

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more and trust them more, and he can bad mount
them where when they're in the middle of the game
getting their ass kicked, even though they bear the responsibility.
I watched John spikeex press conference today. The first thing
he says is I bear more responsibility on this than
Pete Carroll. Now, the difference in that situation, I would

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say than Joe Shane and day Ball, than Austin Ford
and Jonathan Gannon. It was clear when they hired Pete Carroll,
like John Spiked and Pete Carroll were not arm in
arm for the next twenty years. Pee Carroll's seventy five
years old. They just wanted him to get the train
going in the right direction. It turned out Pete Carroll
should have retired and never come out of retirement, and
they made a mistake. But these other guys showed up

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with a younger coach and did it together until they
started losing, and then the coach did it by himself.
It's like, oh, that's his fault, you know why, because
they say my players are good. I don't know Monte
Austin Fort at all, but I know this. He had
the fourth overall pick a couple years ago, and he
took Marvin Harrison Junior, who is clearly not the most
talented player in his own draft class, Malik Neighbors, who

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went two spots better every one in the league. If
you gave the opportunity to take one or the other
and it's not like, well one guy's hurt, well the
other guy's hurt too, would take Moleague Neighbors. But here's
the thing. Your offensive line stinks, why not lean the
line of scrimmage? Well, who did Jim Harbaugh take the
pick after Marvin Harrison junior, Joel who when he's on

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the field is an All Pro? And who would Jim
Harbaugh have taken if he had the choice between Marvin
Harrison and Joelt he would have taken Joealt. So I
go like, and you go, John, you can play Monday
morning quarterback on these picks. True, But when you have
these high picks, why should I trust you? So? I
think this league, like any business, becomes backstabbing so fast,

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finger pointing and trying to push the responsibility on others
when you are equally to blame. And you should you know,
get the acts as well. But I do understand if
I was these gms knowing that like, yeah, Jonathan Gannon,
he'd goes somewhere bea DC for a couple of years
and get another shot. I will not. So it's just

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has grown up in the Internet era of quarterbacks, with
Peyton and Brady to Rogers, to the crew of Eli's,
Matt Ryan's, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger's Drew Brees. We've been very
lucky to obviously this new crew of Mahomes Burrow, you know,
Herbert Allen Lamar. It's been awesome to watch. We have

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been very lucky in the NFL. It's a huge part
of their business plan. They need new, young, exciting quarterbacks
to come and take over when other guys disappear, and
Matt Ryan's has stud I've always been a fan, always
appreciated his game. I would almost call him an overachiever.
Clearly a very very smart guy. But Tom Pelasaro reported

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today that Matt Ryan plans like all signs are pointing
to him to become this role that like Tony Basselli
got last year, which is like, I'm not the GM,
I don't own the team, but I'm like somewhere above
the GM. Spielman in Detroit has a similar rule and
they're like, we're gonna do that with Matt. I was like, oh, totally,

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I have no issue with those type moves. If Philip
Rivers wanted to do something like that. Do it. That's awesome.
I'm excited to watch you. Here's the problem is that
it was reported today that Matt Ryan plans on continuing
to do TV. What That's not the way this thing works.

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You'd be like, well, Tom Brady does it. Here's the difference.
Tom Brady bought into the country Club. Tom Brady is
an owner, So now we can disagree with his tactics.
Still living in Florida, playing golf, hanging out, enjoying life
while talking to spy tech and kind of dictating the
terms in Vegas while not living there. Is that an

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ideal situation? Of course not. But he paid for the
right to do that. These other guys are being paid,
like Tony Busselli Spielman or Matt Ryan to be an
executive to compete against Brian Goudikins, especially if you're in
the NFC like Atlanta, Howie Roseman, Jason Light. I know
they had a bad season, but last I checked, Jason
Light's been in this business for like twenty five plus

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years and is widely considered one of the best gms.
John Schneider less neat John Lynch. You don't see. You know,
John Lynch is gonna be you know, like the president GM,
but he's still gonna do some Fox games. You know why,
that's not possible. You can't be in an industry as
competitive as football, with as much on the line against
people that are grinding seven days a week, three hundred

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and sixty five days, and have a shot to compete.
Because I'll say this about Tony BISSELLI. I looked up
at the Jags game multiple times this year, him, Gladstone,
the GM are on the field and they're hugging Liam Cohen.
He's traveling with the team. He's full time. This is
his job. It's not like, you know, I turn on
TV and there's Tony Boselli calling games on Sunday. That's

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not how it works. And I don't blame Matt Ryan.
If they give you the right, like you don't deserve anything.
You get what you negotiate. So clearly Matt Ryan wants
his cake and eat it too. Don't blame him at all,
But it is not realistic to do the job a
couple of days a week. You have no chance on
God's green earth to be competitive doing it that way.

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You just don't not when you have a bunch of
juice that are making decisions, not against the John Schneider
or Howie Roseman that this is their life. They're ten
toes down, you know. If I'll use myself as an example.
A couple of years ago, I used to do multiple
podcasts and I got to the point where I'm like,
I'm kind of spreading myself thin. And I told Colin,

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like this thing started kind of taking off. I'm like,
I'm going all in on this. You know this, this
is all I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna spend any
other time other shows. I had a local show in
the Bay Area, even when I moved to Arizona. I'm like,
I it's taking too much out of me, and to
get this where I want to go, I have to
give all my energy into this, and it's the best

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thing and financially it's the smartest thing I've ever done
by a mile. And I knew I had to do
it because you only have especially as you get older
in competitive industries, you only have so many bullets in
the gun, and there's a small select group of people
that can dominate, like seven eight things. Most human beings,
even the richest people are pretty dialed in on one

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or two, and it takes all your energy, It takes
all your effort, right, all of it, And I just
don't think it's possible even a job like he's just
sitting there on a set. It's not even that difficult.
It does take time, because you know what, on Sunday
he could be at a venue talking with the opposing team,
talking with players, just getting a feel for it. There's

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a reason these gms travel with the team. It is beneficial.
So I understand Matt not wanting to give up his
responsibilities with TV and all the different income streams, Like
I get it, but I'd also say, if you want
a chance to be good at this job, against the
best in the business because the NFC. Here's the one

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thing you'd say about the NFC. Ton of good front offices.
I mean a lot that are now combined with really
good coaches. And there's a reason that Atlanta has been
getting fucking drubbed belt to ass Arthur Smith and in
the last couple of years have not gone above five
hundred with the amount of talent they had on their team.
And that's with two guys U two guys they just

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fired that were all in that that was their only
job trying. So it shows you how difficult it is.
It's why so many coaches. I remember Tom Coughlin after
he used to win, like he used to always talk
to the team whatever videos. This is like early days
of videos in the locker room, and he'd be like, hey,
boys were humbling. We're humble in victory. We're humble. You
know why, because you can't start pumping your chest because

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the next week you're getting teeth kicked in. You got
to be very, very careful because it's too difficult. There's
just too much online. These guys are too maniacal, like
you know hard. I know they had a bad year
this year, but do you know how many hours like
Andy and Veech are putting in in football. It's their life,
it's their life. I remember seeing the clip in that

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documentary they did last year on the Chiefs and coach
Reed was crying after you know, it was after the
super Bowl. But like you're so invested, there's not like,
well he's doing like three other jobs. No, that's not
the way it works. So I when I saw that,
I went even John Elway whenever he started with the
the Denver Broncos as the quote unquote GM and the

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president that that was his job, that's all he did.
I'm just not a huge believer. I don't care what
you're doing. But in any business that has any sort
of like high level competition of other individuals and whether
it's doesn't matter, you better be all in or you're

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gonna get rolled. And I'll get out of here on this.
You know, let's talk about some people that are gonna
be zoned in right now. And I think the coolest
part about the playoffs. Obviously the players you can become legendary,
but so can the coaches. And you know, we see
some of these guys like Jonathan Gannon gets fired never
made the playoffs. And when you make the playoffs, it's

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a really big deal. Like Ben Johnson taking the Bears
to the playoffs is a huge deal. Liam Cohen taking
the Jags of the playoffs massive deal. But winning a
playoff game, even just one playoff game, is huge. Winning
playoff games on the road, Lafleur, who wants a contract extension,
is worth a lot of money. So obviously these coaches

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are just nuts. They spend all week an unhealthy amount
of hours during when you're playing the crappy teams. I
do think there's an just elevated level of focus and
intensity when it comes to this week and the next
several weeks. And I think the coolest part about this
is like all of a sudden, you look up and

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the Jags are in the AFC Championship game. You know,
you think Liam Cohen gets a lot of credit winning
thirteen regular season games. The two playoff wins would basically
be worth a season of a thirteen win. The year
it would buy, I'd give him a contract extension. You know,
Sean McDermott, most people are kind off the center of
the bills. He goes on a little run right now.

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That's the way you get a massive contract extension. That's
the way you get so much equity that like you're
not getting fired. And I love the playoffs, man, I
really do, because everything is on the line. You know,
we talk. You guys know where I stand on people
talking about the process. No one cares about your process
if your results suck. That's just the way the world works.

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And I think a lot of these guys, when they
get results, that's when people really start like, what the
heck Jim Harbaugh goes on the road and beats the
Patriots'd be like, God, this guy's won a lot of
playoff games. You know, this guy truly is a pretty
legendary individual. And obviously for a lot of these coaches,
they're very dependent on their assistance, their coordinators, their position coaches.

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This is just a massive week because it sucks. It's
once you get to the second or definitely the conference
championship game. Obviously, losing is a kick in the nuts,
but it's still like winning playoff games. You advance, you
get bounced in the first round. It sucks. And the spreads,
I mean, we'll dive into it later in the week.
They're not big. It's gonna be very hard to gamble on.

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It's gonna be very hard to pick. You know. It's like,
I love the Jags the way they've been playing, but
am I comfortable picking them against the Bills. I'm just very,
very excited to watch all these coaches zone in for
the week at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the

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Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered here on the show.
Easiest way to get involved, Let's just dive right in.
How bananas were you going when Baltimore missed the kick?
Wasn't that the last thing you needed for your big parlay? Honestly,
when Likely and Lamar made, I mean I saw TJ
coming around, I'm like, he's gonna sack Lamar. Beautiful pass,

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incredible catch, Jalen Ramsey a step short step late. I
just thought the game was over, so I kind of
checked out, could barely watch the field goal. And you
knew it right when he came off his off his foot,
So it was it was pretty incredible. Uh, now that
the number one, Now that the Seahawks are the number
one seed, I want anyone but the Rams. If you

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had to rank the NFC teams, who is the best
shot of making the Super Bowl? Clearly Seattle home games
two games. I mean huge home field advantage, and they
have a great defense. So when you have a great
defense and you play at home, if the quarterback can
just play solid and run the ball, they're gonna be
a problem. They're getting their left tackle back, they just
have a much easier path. Uh. Then to me, it

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depends on you know, if like let's say the Packers
were to upset the Bears and the Eagles beat the Niners,
like the Eagles, get a huge advantage playing at home again.
So to me, the home games are huge. The Rams
in theory should be good. One they're not playing that well,
and two they got to go on the road. You know,

(29:17):
they definitely got to go on the road the first
two weeks. So even if Carolina is not a very
good team, right, you still gotta fly five hours, beat them,
come back, then fly again, maybe to play Seattle. If
the Niners or the Packers were to win, you probably
gotta go, you know, to Chicago. It's just a lot

(29:37):
of travel, and I think it's pretty clear Seattle won,
and then I would probably do some combination of like
Philly in the Rams, you know, the Bears. I just
think you can't be that bad at defense, and this
is where I'd put the Niners under the Bears. The
Niners lost even more guys against Seattle. They lost their
starting linebacker that replaced Fred Warner, Towarres Grown going out

(30:00):
for the year. They had someone sent me the injury
report today. It's like, you can't have that many injuries
and keep winning these games on the road. It would
be an incredible accomplishment. I think it's gonna be difficult,
even if the Eagles are weird for them even to
kind of keep it close. How are they gonna stop
the run? Now, maybe Kevin Patola doesn't call run plays,
but I think it's really Seattle to Rams or Philly.

(30:25):
I just have a hard time seeing Chicago with the
defense just terrible. I mean, their defense looked really really
bad against the Green Bay Pack or against the Lions,
and I get it emotional come down, but like those
are their players know It's not like, well they got reinforced. No,
it's like Jalen Johnson's out there, he's coming back from injuries.
Doesn't look the same. Their DB's look so slow. You're

(30:46):
a forty nine er guy, I'm a Jags guy, so
we most likely both don't like Balky. You know what's
funny is everyone always hated Balkey in my interactions with him,
but he kind of big timed me once when I
was a JA for his state. But once I was
doing the media stuff and coming around, he was always
cool to me. Came on the radio again, he turned

(31:08):
a lot of people off. Was never bad to me.
So a lot of people hate him. He is kind
of universally not liked by a lot of people. I
never had an issue with him, I would say that.
So your question is, but watching the Jags play this
year with mostly bulky players playing out of their minds,
is it clear Doug and Press for holding the Jags back? Well,

(31:31):
I think as a GM, you're only as good as
your coach, you know, and Balkey picked a bunch of players,
got Jim Harbaugh, and they won a bunch of games. Now,
he also inherited some guys from Scott mcclewan, but clearly
did a pretty good job of drafting some players. They
also lost a lot of games, so they drafted high.
But the success is they got the coach right. Liam

(31:53):
Cohen would have been good with Gladstone or with tram Balk.
Clearly he's his stud coach, right, Ben Johnson be good,
Ryan Poles or me. He's a stud coach. So when
you hire the right coach, they make players look a
lot better. It's why I never understand these gms that
want like a yes man at coach, Like you need
to get the best coach that gives you the best

(32:14):
opportunity to win. You know. The Eagles are kind of
stuck with Sirianni. But they pay a lot for court,
like they pay Vic Vangol a lot of money they've
gone through, Like they'll pay for Kellen Moore, they paid
if Patola gets fired, like they'll pay for whoever the
top coordinators. They will not hesitate. So like paying for
coaches makes you look a lot better and it comes
to the owner, do they want to open the checkbook?

(32:35):
So obviously the jackson of talent because you watch them
team speed, physicality. You know, does Trent Balkey get credit
for Trevor Lawrence. I wanted to get your thoughts on
current playoff format, specifically division winners with losing records, for example,
teams like the Panthers eight to nine but still making
the playoffs by winning a week division. Do you think

(32:56):
there should be a rule that prevents teams with more
losses than wins from qualifying for the playoffs. Well, I've
been talking about this for a while. I think it's simple.
If you go under five hundred to win your division,
that is, it's hard to win a division, like it
is difficult, right it is. Look at the Chicago Bears,

(33:17):
Like the Lions just went nine to eight and they
had a horrendous year, and they kind of worked the
Bears most of that game, right, And that's just like
you had to beat them. You had to beat the
Green Bay Packers, you gotta beat the Minnesota Vikings. All
those teams beat them. It's hard. That division is good Seattle.
It came down to the last sixty minutes against the
forty nine ers, and they also had to beat the

(33:39):
Rams a couple of weeks ago, who are all twelve
win teams. So when you go under five hundred, like
that's a reflection on the competition that you're playing six
games against. It sucks. So it has to matter. Like
I'm not anti divisions, divisions matter, they do. I totally agree.
But also if your division sucks, like you should just
get a home game if you went eight to nine.

(34:02):
I mean, the Panthers had, in theory, a must win
game and they lost. They're just not good and they
get to host the Rams. That seems crazy to me.
I think the solution is simple. You can say the
four seed, but if you go under five hundred, you
play on the road to any team that you have
a worst record then and you're gonna have worst record

(34:23):
than everyone in the playoffs because you went eight to nine.
That's such a bad record. Like the Falcons win eight
and nine, they just fired everybody. Think about that, Todd Bowles.
I mean, there's a decent chance he still gets fired.
They're meeting tomorrow. Probably what my guess would be as
of recording this on Monday, he gets fired. I'm a

(34:43):
Denver fan, but trying to be objective, something just feels
weird about Sean Payton and what he's doing in Denver.
Do you ever recall a team that gets the number
one seed and is looked down upon as much as
the Broncos. I feel like the Charger game was played
that way on purpose to handle the win and move on.
I was barely allowed to throw and they just looked
handicapped the whole game. Do you think Sean is strategically

(35:05):
doing this to still get the number one seed and
have everybody flying under the radar. I think the skepticism
is simple. Their offense a lot of the year has
not looked good. That game was a joke. Trey Lance stinks.
I mean, he's not good. I mean it's pretty crazy
looking back the forty nine ers straight three first round
picks for him, that's an all time whiff. He's man,

(35:28):
He's bad. I mean, the drop off from him to
Herbert or from Herbert to him is like the size
of the Grand Canyon. I'm not sure he's an NFL player. Honestly,
Chargers got very lucky that he didn't have to play
real games because they would lose them all. I would
say this about Denver. When they're right, they're gonna be very,
very tough to beat. But their defense looked a little

(35:49):
shaky down the stretch, and bo Nicks just has games
like against the Chiefs or against the Raiders that people
don't trust him. Simple, if he plays like they did
against the Green Bay Packers that one game, just seventy
five percent of that, they'll win the AFC. But most
people just don't trust him. So I think it's less
about Sean Payton and more about what people see with

(36:10):
bo Nicks. I think it's really that simple. And their
defense simply is not as dominant. They just haven't been
playing that well. Colin has a lot to talk about
Stefanski going to the Raiders, but if you're him, don't
you want to see if any of the one and
done playoff teams like the Bills could fire their coach.
What do you think about JA seventeen and Stefanski as

(36:33):
a combo? Who's JA seventeen? My an idiot John Harbaugh seventeen? Uh,
I don't know who that is. I am I moron.
I would say this about Stefanski. I think it was
reported today the Giants, the Titans and is the Cardinals

(36:58):
like he's gonna interview with he's getting a job. I
think if you're the Raiders, you're drafting Fernando Mendoza. So
when you draft Fernando Mendoza, you want him to be
equipped with a good coach. And I think the thing
with Tom if Tom looks back like he did, get
Charlie Weiss and then they transitioned to Josh McDaniels below Brian.

(37:19):
Josh McDaniels, he had a really good offensive to Bruce Arians,
he had great offensive coaching his whole career. And I
think Stefanski, you know, when I see the thing about
day Ball and Brian Flores, my question would be this,
Let's say Brian Flores did shake the Patriot thing, It's
actually turned good coach the second time. If Brian Daball

(37:42):
does a good job with Fernando Mendoza. He will get
another job. A one lock, he'll get another job. So
wouldn't you just tire Brian Daball. I think it's really
really important if you're going to take a number one
overall pick at quarterback, to just surround him with competence,

(38:04):
you know. I mean, look at Jane Daniels. I'm not
the biggest Cliff Kingsbury guy. I know he's a nice guy.
People like him, but like, I don't know something that
wouldn't be my first pick. Look at Caleb. They got
Ben Johnson. It's like if Caleb somehow ever fails, that's
on Caleb, not Ben Johnson. We see it works, right,

(38:27):
and that's where Vrabel's lucky. Josh mc daniel's not gonna
get another job. Sean Payton like he's not leaving. Bo
Nick's got him. Did you see that bad snap in
the Bears Lions game? Caleb stood in like the two
yard line and flat footed fifty yard rope to get
rid of it. Is it crazy to say is the
biggest arm in the league and the most talent out
of anyone, Not to mention the ball he threw against

(38:50):
the Niners of Lovelin. I did look up and that
ball that went through his hands. One thing Caleb has
is he's just such a good athlete. He can just
turn around and get places fast. I you know, do
the size factor into talents? To me, it does right,

(39:10):
Like if he was four inches taller, he would be
the greatest prospect maybe ever. I mean, he'd be right
up there with John Elway just talking prospect. Like the
difference of him in Josh Allen is he just shorter
and it's just a little easier to see over guys.
So I would say Josh Allen Herbert would probably be

(39:30):
considered the two biggest arms. I had put Caleb right
there with him, and I do think the one thing
he has over those two guys is Josh is obviously fast.
There's like an explosion to Caleb that is like more
a little more Lamarie. Maybe not the long speed, but
there's like a shortier quickness to him that he's got. Yeah,

(39:52):
he's got a lead talent. What else is say? No
one disputes Caleb's like physical characteristics. The only knock you
have on the body type it is just a little
shorter than you like obviously the player you'd like a
little more touch. But maybe I think that's I've said
this before. I think you can develop that over the
offseason or I mean that's that should be the number

(40:13):
one thing you're working on to develop, beside like the
growth of the metal game. Because there was a pass
yesterday I think it was Luther Burton. It was like
a quick slant and I get it's the NFL. You know,
you touch it, you clutch it. He threw a slant.
It looked like a Nolan Ryan fastball. I mean Burton

(40:35):
turned around and that thing was off his hand. It's
like you you just got to take a little off it.
You can still throw it fast. I think he's really
got to work on that, if it's even correctable. Some
guys are never able to develop that. If the Rams
go to Charlotte and just skull bleep the Panthers, does

(40:55):
the NFL in the off season make a change regarding
the eligibility for the playoffs. It's crazy the Lions are
sitting at home while the Panthers are not only in
the playoffs but hosting a game. I don't think anyone
would disagree the Lions are better than the Panthers. Clearly
now watch them Jamison Williams am and Ross Saint Brown
gives not even close right, but divisions as of right now,

(41:20):
they matter. You guys know where I stand. I'm not
even against kicking them out. I just think that you
should not get a home game. You shouldn't you watched,
It'll probably be a tie game in the second half.
Why does the NFL announce primetime games week one through
seventeen before the season starts. I feel like they should
announce one through ten before the season, and then around

(41:43):
eight or nine announce the rest of the schedule. This way,
they make sure Thanksgiving and Christmas games are gonna be great.
Every year. There are so many teams that we think
are bad and end up being interesting we never get
to see on primetime. For example, this year, everyone says
the Jags have been Their only primetime game was against
the Chiefs and they weren't even that good at the time,

(42:04):
or two years ago when Rogers got injured Week one.
I don't pretend to be some schedule master. I do
pretend to understand the ink, the all that goes on
behind the scenes to it. I do think it's a
little more complicated than the way you're playing it out one.
You can't not announce the short week games. Teams have

(42:25):
to know so they can prepare. It's why teams are
very adamant about no flex short week games. Right, It's
hard to flex a Monday night football game because the
way I've prepared, the way I practice, it can be
an unfair advantage. So I think it's more challenging than

(42:45):
you say. But Sunday night football, I do think that
maybe after October, So what's the difference of playing in
the after one o'clock or five o'clock. So I would
make Sunday much more flexible. You know the problem album
miss Fox and CBS pay a lot too, so it's like, yeah,
flex the afternoon CBS game. CBS goes, we pay premiums

(43:10):
for Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Fox would say,
we pay a shitload of money to show the Eagles
and Kyle Shanahan and this good Seattle team. We want
these games. So that's where it's like, Well, NBC just
doesn't get to monopolize corner of the market on the
sweetest games. They like the afternoon window, and let's be real,

(43:33):
the morning window a lot of weeks sucks. Some of
the games get entertaining down the stretch, but it's not
very good matchups. And the NFL has really turned into
if you kind of take a step back, Thursday Night,
Sunday afternoon CBS and Fox, Romo Nance in the Brady game,
and then the Sunday Night and Monday night game and

(43:55):
Monday Night can be a little hit or miss, but
it's still Monday Night football. It's fine. Everyone enjoys it.
Some games are better than others, but the Sunday morning
games are not great. A lot of weeks, i mean,
are really bad. It's a lot of like Browns and
Cardinals and Giants commanders. It can be rough. Great Sunday

(44:29):
Night show a little easier to keep up the great
work it is. There's nothing better in football season. It
does not get any easier than reacting to the games.
It's the best podcasts. If you can't do that, you
might as well quit. They really pay me for you know,
May June July question for the back. I know, the

(44:50):
sexy pick for Coach of the Year is the Patriots
or the Bears, but Seattle in a division with the
Rams and the Niners not only win the division, but
lock up the one seed. If you wanted to vote
for Mike McDonald, Mike McDonald, I wouldn't argue. I think
it's really really hard. I think Kyle, once he lose
that game is out because Mike would have to take
him over. I think it was a group going into

(45:12):
last week of five guys Vrabel, Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson,
Mike McDonald, and Kyle Shanahan. If I had to guess
right now, I think Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen. I
think they will get the NOD over Rabel's schedule was
so easy. I think that will be fair not I

(45:34):
think Forrabel's a stud. If you voted for him, I
don't wouldn't blame you, But I think that will be
as undoing for the award. So my guests will be
it will be Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen, just because
that organization was a joke. The one thing you'd say
for Mike is he was unreal this year. He inherited

(45:54):
a nine win team. I mean he didn't inherit the Bears.
That would be the argument for he inherited a team
that won eight games in two years. This this is
not even a question. It's basically my take on the Ravens.
They played like shit all year. We should have been
better off season. We aren't Harbaugh or Bunkin and Lamar.
It was all a yeah, I agree. They put themselves

(46:16):
in that position. Started one in five. Lamar missed a
bunch of times. Their defense early in the season was awful.
They still had a chance to win the game, and
let's face, they should have won the game. One thing
I didn't touch on after the game is they got conservative, right,
he had a time he had do he have multiple timeouts?
When likely caught the ball? I guess they called a

(46:37):
timeout when likely kitch the ball. I think you could
have been a little more aggressive, got a little closer,
you got a rookie kicker into the win. Boswell just missed. Yeah,
just I'm with you. Whoever had lost that game. It's
hard to feel sympathy for either side, right. It just

(46:57):
is a bigger kick in the nuts when you lose
in that fat Why does ownership matter this much or
so much? It seems like Mark Davis tries to do
the right thing and stay out of the picture. As
a Raider fan, I'm generally interested in ownership interference. These teams.

(47:17):
Uh interference tank these teams more than fans. No. I
actually I've always said this about Mark Davis. You know,
it was around him a little bit. And then he
hires Gruden, he hired Josh McDaniels. He's like, you do it,
you do it, which is not Mike Brown, and that
family's heavily involved. But he let Brady into the club,

(47:39):
let him buy in. Now, Tom has a lot of
juice and by all accounts, like John spi Tech didn't
want chip Kelly. That's a classic Tom Brady chip Kelly's
Boys with Belichick. That was the dumbest hire ever. It's
like chip Kelly and Pete Carroll, this is never gonna work.
So like Tom has taken a role like he's pretty involved.
Everyone that's that he knows more than me is like

(48:01):
reporting this. The people in the Raiders building calling the
boss and ownership all over the league. I'll use this
example today when I'm getting my podcast ready. I don't like, Hey,
these are the seven things I'm gonna I'm gonna talk
about today. These are my angles. And I forward them
off to Colin and three other people at the volume

(48:21):
and they go, ah, like this don't like this, let's
go with this. I just do whatever I want, right,
Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch less sneed and Sean McVay
when they want John Schneider, when they want to do something,
they do it. Obviously they tell ownership, but ownership lets
them do whatever they want. I'm getting rid of DK

(48:42):
metcalf cool your decision, like that's that's not the way
it works some places. And Jeffrey Lurie, how are you doing?
What do you want to do this offseason? We're gonna
trade aj Brown? Let it rip, Howie? So when someone
tells you in micro manager you and listen, when the
guy signing your checks, what are you gonna say? Say nothing?

(49:03):
You do what they tell you to do, so it
becomes difficult. I think Mark Davis's downfall hired the wrong coaches.
You know, let's face it, gruten thing. I like Gruden,
he entertains me online it was not going that well,
it really was. I like Mike Mayock too that that
wasn't gonna work. I mean, come on, let's be real.

(49:26):
And the Josh McDaniels thing, like, I support that. I
thought it made sense. Blew up in his face, blew
up in his face. So if you hire the wrong people,
even if you don't medal that, it will fail. If
you do metal, you don't really know what you're talking about,
and you just make things more complicated. So I think
it's a lot of just chiming in with your ideas.

(49:50):
More of a podcast question. I'm not sure you've answered this,
but will you continue to do live postgame reactions once
the Netflix deal hits? If so, will there be an
opportunity for you to put out an audio only version
somewhere that is simultaneously live. I think we're still working
on the live situation. Obviously the season is close to over,

(50:11):
but next season, I mean, we're dealing with a progressive
company here that I don't see why. As we work
through this that that I hopefully it's available. The audio
for the podcasts have been consistent the entire time we've
been doing video. They typically come out early in the

(50:31):
morning the following day. This is a very fluid process,
so I don't have all the answers we will. I
will try to hammer that down the next couple weeks.
Probably gonna have a baby, I would imagine in the
next tenish days, so it's we're in a fluid part

(50:51):
of my world. I'm not quite sure everything. I don't
have all the answers. I guess I will get them
to you as soon as I know them. I sound
like a coach when there's an injury, like I'm not
a doctor, But we will let you know when we know.
I truly don't, but I I don't. The audio is

(51:12):
not gonna change. The audio will come out when it's
been coming out. I'm pretty sure which will be the
first thing in the morning. Why is everyone saying there
shouldn't be a massive pressure on Josh Allen to make
the Super Bowl. I'm tired of people saying the Bills

(51:32):
roster is horrible. He doesn't have the play of Burrow
Lamar or the guy who beat him four times with Mahomes.
He is by far the best quarterback. I think there's
tangible pressure on them. I think he would get a
lot of credit if we look up and there in
the Super Bowl. He gotta win this week. I get
the Jags are really good. Gotta be Trevor Lawrence and
the Jacks. That's a big game for him. You get

(51:55):
a lot of credit if he wins because they're good.
But like that's tough to be wanted done in the
playoffs in the prime of your career. But what happens
if he plays well, he throws four touchdowns and they
lose by ten points. Is that his fault? Let him
play out like there's pressure on him. He's playing Trevor Lawrence,
who's been awesome. Would you trade Mike Tomlin for Mike McDaniel.

(52:24):
The Dolphins need a culture center and the Steelers need
to develop. Mike McDaniel can now be the coach of
the Steelers. Can't happen. There's just no way. The Rooney
family would never hire Mike McDaniel ever. Sp cole that
guy looks in cold weather games. He would not even
be on the short list. Woant I hire him as
my offensive coordinator? For sure. Mike McDaniel's never gonna be

(52:45):
the coach of the Steelers. If Mike Mike McDaniel is
a coach of another NFL team, it'd be like the Cardinals,
you know, it'd be a team like that. It would
not He would never be the coach of the Steelers.
Mike Tomblin coach and the Dolphins one I can see that.
Mike and Daniel though never I grew up on rugby.

(53:08):
I cannot believe someone that hasn't someone from that world
hasn't sold themselves to a team as a tackling expert.
I know NFL players think they tackle well, and some do,
but I cannot believe how many mistackles I see every week.
I just watched the Steelers running back run through four
week tackles. I think he's talking about the Jalen Warren
run on the outside every year or every yard counts.

(53:32):
Coaching staff wouldn't want to do that. What am I
paying the linebacker coach seven hundred fifty grand for? What
am I paying my defensive coordinator to two million dollars for?
If anything, those guys should reach out on their own
time and figure out some techniques. But if I'm an owner,
I would why do what are my coaches teaching? I
also think this, You know, the practice in football has

(53:58):
changed dramatically. You don't really practice, so it's hard to
not really practice tackling and then just playing games against
Jalen Warren expect to win in a one on one spot.
I think that factors in in a big, big way.
Listen to you and Colin about Mendoza's comp it's Burrow good,
not great arm, but really good down the field, accuracy,

(54:20):
comfortable when flushed from the pocket, and can throw in
the move. Not a runner, but has mobility. These guy's
like a scout. Most similarly clutch in the fourth quarter
late game situations. Oregon, Iowa, Penn State, and Iowa State
all required Mendoza to score keep possessions and he never blinked.
I don't hate that at all. I think there are

(54:41):
some similarities there, for sure. You know, a lot of
Joe Burrow's ability is just he's not the most physically
gifted guy, doesn't have the biggest arm, is definitely not
the fastest, isn't the tallest. He's just really good, even
though he didn't really play that good kind of down
the stretch of the season. But I don't hate that
at all. The Matt Ryan thing, Matt Ryan to me

(55:02):
couldn't move, so I see more of a mobile I
like the Joe Burrow. Like Joe Burrow can move, you know,
like a taller party. He can move, He can make
plays with his legs. Trying to think of some other guys.
I actually think there are a lot of similarity Trevor
Lawrence is a better athlete, but I think the physical

(55:23):
arm uh coming out of college. I think there's some
similarities there. How do the Niners get pressure next week?
I just don't see it. This no slash can't pressure
game plan is agonizing to watch. They don't have any
pass rushers, so how are they gonna get pressure? They're not.

(55:43):
I guess you could blitz the house if you blitz
the house with a mobile quarterback. You saw this with
Kleb and with Jalen. If they want to make you
pay with their legs, they can. To me if I'm
Kevin Petola. There's the forty nine Ers. The winners is
gonna be out for this game, and Tatum Bethune is

(56:04):
out for the season. The Niners do not have any
linebackers and their defensive line is decimated. I think they
had multiple defensive line injuries in that game. Sakauon Barkley,
if he doesn't have thirty plus carries in this game,
I would fire him on the spot. If the forty
nine Ers beat the Eagles in this game, how is
gonna be firing some people? Because there's no They have

(56:26):
no business losing because their defense is just decimated they
should if if you told me right now over under
rushing attempts for the Eagles, if it's not well over
thirty five, they're not doing it right. I mean, that's
that'd be really bad. I think the forty nine ers
are in a lot of trouble. You just you can't

(56:49):
lose that many players on defense, because this is an
offense where it's like I can scheme to Marcus Robinson up,
I can call some plays for Kendrick Bourne. What am
I supposed to do for a pass rusher that can't
rush the past? What am I supposed to do for
a practice squad linebacker in a playoff game against Saquon Barkley.
It's really difficult, So I you might as well just

(57:10):
throw the kids and sink at him. My game plan
would be simple, Listen, you just kind of gotta lean
on Lenore Stout and Ernardo Green and hopefully they can
kind of cover the wide receivers, and I would just
blitz the house and stack the box and be like,
you know, we're just we're just gonna try to somewhat
neutralize if Saquon keeps Saquon under seventy five eighty yards

(57:35):
and just take our chances with Jalen down the field.
But if Saquon, if you told me right now he
rushes for one hundred and forty hundred and fifty hundred
and sixty yards, the Niners would be in major trouble.
The other thing is their defense pretty good, and they
got multiple pass rushers, they got good linebacker play. It's

(57:59):
it's gonna be hard, it would be. It would be
one of Kyle's truly great wins with the roster that
he's coming in with. Truly would be, which I think
Ricky pierceaw Kyle's the today that you know, reinjured his
PCL before that game, so I would guess he's not
gonna play. I don't know. I think the Niners remarkable

(58:19):
accomplishment winning some of these games. Winning that Bears game
was crazy, but I just I think they're just out
of bodies and there's no reinforcements coming. So all the
pressures on the Eagles. They are favored in this game.
They should win this game. But I guess that's why
he snapped the ball. That's why you kick it off,

(58:40):
play sixty, hope, maybe get some turnovers. Maybe you got it.
Freaky shit, to happen. But Robert sala Is gonna have
to just dial up some blitzes or I don't even know.
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