December 21, 2025 • 45 mins
Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 16 NFL Super Saturday matchup between Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers vs. Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. John kicks off by reacting to a HUGE OT win by Caleb Williams and the Bears to defeat the Packers in Week 16. John applauds Caleb Williams and head coach Ben Johnson for spearing the comeback effort in the game after the Packers had lost QB Jordan Love to a concussion. John then reacts to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles win vs. the Washington Commanders in Week 16. John wraps up by reacting to each of the College Football Playoff 1st round games: Alabama defeats Oklahoma on the road, Miami defeats Texas A&M in a defensive battle, and Oregon and Ole Miss blow out James Madison and Tulane, respectively.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? Did we really
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just witness that the Chicago Bears in one of the
crazier comebacks I would say off their season, because they've
had some, but definitely the craziest comeback down sixteen to
six with five minutes left in the game, get an
onside kick, and Caleb Williams is you know, I would say,
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doing some work to establish one day I might have
a statue in front of the stadium because that was
a pretty iconic moment for a legendary franchise. And we'll
dive all into the game before we talk any football.
Subscribe to the page. I like the video, leave a comment,
interact with the people start screaming down there with each other.
(01:06):
Go middle God, why are you going to Netflix? But
tonight is about Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. Appreciate
everyone watching. We will be live again tomorrow, have the
podcast with Colin as well, then live again Monday night
for the forty nine ers and Indianapolis well phillip Rivers
on Monday Night. So we got a lot going on
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coming up here in the near future. But tonight's really
all about Kayleb Williams and the Chicago Bears, and listen,
I mean I talk about this sometimes you gotta be
really careful about writing your script. I don't script podcasts.
Obviously you could just see me talking into the camera,
but the topics and the headlines and the things that
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you're fired up about. And once they got that onside kick,
it obviously ruined everything. And you know, they were down
sixteen to six with five minutes left to go. And
if you would have told me that earlier today, before
the game kicked off and before we even talk any football.
A lot of props to Chicago. I don't usually get
like this. I definitely do sometimes on Saturdays throughout the
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fall when you turn on a game and you go,
that looks pretty cool. That looks like a place that
I would want to be at. That looks like an
incredible experience for everyone sitting in that stadium. And because
the Bears really since like the Erlacker Briggs days, and
maybe in twenty ten was their last really really good
season when they were in the NFC Championship game. Ironically
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they lost to that Aaron Rodgers Packer team that went
on to win the Super Bowl. We haven't seen them
in that many enormous games late in the season at home,
and when that game started, it felt like Lsubama, it
felt like Ohio State, Michigan. It felt really big and
really important. And Chicago obviously is one of our great
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sports towns in America, and I've never, you know, live
there or anything, but now living in Arizona, some of
my neighbors you know, are from there, and it is
a bear city. And that that place being alive was
freaking awesome. I mean, it was alive all early in
the game, and then obviously when they got that on
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side kick and that place was just rocking. But even
throughout the game, when and at one point time they're
down ten points in a windy game, You're like, this
is gonna be impossible. They're just gonna lose. Caleb was
playing pretty well. Like if you would have told me
that they were down ten plus points, they only had
six points with five minutes to go in the game,
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I bet Caleb didn't play well. If anything, I thought
Jeff Halfley was doing a really good job of just
corralling him. He throughout the game hadn't made plays, scrambling
around doing what he has done all season, and he
didn't get that many opportunities because I looked in the
fourth quarter, the Bears had twenty less plays. The time
of possession skewed heavily to the Packers. Green Bay ran
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the ball to Night forty four times for one hundred
and ninety two yards. It's not like he was two
of twenty five. He just didn't get that many plays,
didn't get that many pass attempts. But they get the
on side kick and he just turned into Superman. A
couple of big runs, a nice row to DJ Moore,
and then once they got down to the goal line again,
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Halfley's elite. Like I came away from that game thinking,
Jeff Hafley is awesome. He's his timely blitzes and they
were getting home. They did a really good job of
not letting Caleb just like scramble around every time he
would turn there and be a guy there. Clearly the
coaching points on the you know, keeping the lanes because
Caleb is so dangerous when he's scrambling around. And when
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they called that blitz on that game tying touchdown pass, Caleb,
you know, when it left his hands because the previous
two passes had been air mails. I assume like Oh
my god, did he just miss him? Because all of
a sudden, you look and this guy, I'll be honest,
I don't know anything about His name is John day Walker,
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the undrafted free agent. Don't remember his college career, that
that's for sure. But when he left his hands, I'm like,
I think he missed him. And it was, honestly like
if there had been a defender in front of him,
if the Packers hadn't screwed up, it would have been
like Joe Montana to Dwight Clark. It was a dime
obviously in a great catch. It was just like the
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perfect play, and you went, what a moment for the
young man. And I'm a big Kevin Burkhardt fan. Listen,
tom Brady is vastly improved. And part of the compliment
toward Tom Brady is you just watch his games and
you don't even you know last year's like what is
he talking about now? It's just like it's just a
flow of the game. It's just really good. It's an
easy watch. And they were saying, like, I think you
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go for two. He's I bet he's gonna go for two.
You do not go for two at home. You do
not go for two at home, when they have their
backup quarterback in the game and you have one more
win than them, you do not do that. I don't
care what these new spreadsheets say, what Paul D. Podesta
and his seventy five people working for the Brown say
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as they win three games a year, I don't give
a shit. You do exactly what Ben Johnson did. And
Ben Johnson early in this game, on that first drive
when they drove right down the field and you went,
this guy's got a dial today had probably the worst
play call of his career, definitely of his career since
he's called meaningful football right the last couple of years
with the Lions and obviously this year with the Bears
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when DeAndre Swift had been running right down their throat.
You have a quarterback who is just an exceptional athlete
who can make shit happen with his feet, and they
did some like snap it under Cole Comets, like as
he's pretended to be the quarterback to do a toush
push to the running back that gets airmail. It was
a disaster, And I bet I'm doing this right after
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the game, Ben Johnson's going to admit that that's beyond stupid. Listen,
it happens. No one's perfect, Like I'm not acting like
you can't do a dumb play call. It's just weird
to see when you have one of the best play
callers in the league who has been kind of, as
the kids would say, in his bag all season long.
But one thing that you have to do in these games,
and I think it's Ben Harden. They kind of talked
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about it during the broadcast. Is I think when Caleb
was talking to Kevin and Tom, he's like, listen, you
know part of you know when you watch Steph Curry
he's gonna he doesn't anymore. But early on in his
career you're like, what the hell are you? Oh? Great shot?
And there is a huge element like, listen, I was wrong.
I did not think this was gonna work. I did not,
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and early in the season his accuracy issues what Ben
Johnson would like in a player. But the one thing
Caleb has shown which I respect the most when it
comes to players is mental toughness. And mental toughness doesn't
show up in the first quarter. Mental toughness shows up
late in games. Mental toughness shows up when you're fatigued.
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And what happens late in games. You've been hit a
couple of times, you're feeling it mentally, physically, you are
you know, it takes big time focus. The majority of
games in the NFL are within one score in the
fourth quarter. This is not jmu versus Oregon. This is
not too lane ole miss. In the NFL, when you
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have two good teams like the Packers and the Bears,
let alone, like what a bad team plays a good team,
you get close games all the time. Hell, look at
the Eagles in Washington throughout the first like two and
a half quarters. It's tightly contested game the NFL, and
Caleb has shown time and time again like he's mentally
pretty tough. There has never been any disputing his physical skills.
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Like that pass he made to tie the game was,
you know, getting rushed coming back corner back corner of
the end zone was a big time throw. And obviously
the runs on that drive were fantastic as well. He's
done that all season long. He had DJ Moore over
the middle, it was, it was a fantastic drive. And
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then clearly the game winning throw is just only so
many guys have that in the back and I think
to Malik Willison. We'll get into that in a second.
Arm strength in these cold weather cities really really matter.
It really matters. And he saw it tonight on full
display and Jordan Love before he got hurt. Same thing.
You have to have a strong arm to function in
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the passing game in places like Chicago where the wind
is gusting up to thirty thirty five miles an hour
on top of it being twenty eight to thirty degrees.
I played golf this morning it was seventy four degrees.
I can't relate to that. I despised the cold, so
I respect it. But I've lived in Philly, like I
we played of I remember when we went to Chicago
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at the time, they had terrible field back in the day.
Their field feels a little more buttoned up now. But
like his ability physically translates to that city. And clearly,
you know, success creates confidence and builds on it. And
obviously last year was just a complete disaster for everyone involved,
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and this year started getting a little weird early on.
And what they have done simply, I mean a large part.
You know that the head coach has been brilliant the
majority of the year. Tonight, I thought it was the
quarterback making place, pulling shit out of is you know
what because the defensive coordinator on the other team is
a guy that's gonna be a head coach probably in
like a month, and was doing a I mean that
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that was unreal by him and Lafloor most of the
game just running the ball, slowing down, controlling the clock,
uggling up that. That was a classic Kyle Shanahan game, right, Like,
we got some injuries and then our backup quarterback comes in.
The only way we can win ugly this thing up. Now,
we might take a shot or two, but we are
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not going to get into like a you know, a
big you know what swing contest with you because you
your star quarterback in you got DJ Moore and Cole
Kmett and Loveland, a bunch of guys. Our guys are
dropping like flies, and we got to ugly this thing up.
And it wasn't until the end where it kind of
got more in the bears favor and once they got that.
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Is there a crazier play in sports than the on
side kick? I was thinking, like a walk off home run.
I've seen a million of those, right, A game winning
shot like I've seen maybe like a game winning shot
from full court because it is so unexpected when an
onside kick happens. I think it's crazy when it even
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takes a crazy bounce and the team that's kicking the
ball even has a chance to get it, because I
feel like the majority of onside kicks, if we just
took fifty, the last fifty on side kicks, eighty percent
of them aren't even close either. Don't bounce crazy, don't
bounce high, go right to a guy, go fire out
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of bounds like it's never even a play. Then maybe
ten percent or fifteen percent of the remaining take a
really good bounce, but the guy just catches and hit
the ground. And then the tiny, tiny percent I know
they said eight percent of the time it works. Pine
Sewell's brother forty four was a step away and Dobbs
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looks up as the ball's taking a weird bounce because
listen that that guy's not paid to cover, he's paid
to hit. And Noah Sewell was about to fucking rock
his world and he felt it and he flinched. And
that's the only way an outside kick happens. Either the
guy just bungles it because it takes a weird bounce
or he gets a little scared and we can make
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fun of football. We want about being softer than ever
and relative to what it was thirty forty years ago,
one hundred percent. But that play that there's not that
much space between the guys. They're running full speed. You're
down on a knee at least if you're a punk returner,
like if you want to, you can make a busines decision.
You can fair catch it. You can just move out
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of the way like on an outside kick if you're
standing there on the hands team or you're on your
knees trying to you know, make a play like you're
a second baseman. There's no safety and they're putting guys
on defense like noahsoule that are just paid to do
one thing, rock people's world. And it happened, and that
was I would say the craziest wow moment of the game.
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There were three of them, the two touchdown passes, but like,
I don't think we're that shocked, Like we've seen very
talented quarterbacks make great plays and Caleb both those passes,
especially the game winner, was I mean, as gorgeous as
you're ever gonna see. But like when he lets it rip.
You're thinking like this could be caught right both passes
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when the on side kick happens, like let's just the
Packers is gonna win, and then your jaw hits the floor.
Now here's the other thing when they got the ball
back because they were getting crushed for running on the kicker,
and Tom was like, you gotta hurry up, You gotta
hurry up. I hear you most games, like if you're
indoors or you know, it's it's a seventy five degree
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day in Chicago in late September. The wind is pumping.
It's kind of intense, like it's a pretty big moment
for the kicker. If he misses, the game is one
hundred percent over. I understood like the urgency behind Tom
saying to hurry up. But I also understood from the
kicker's perspective of like, bro, I gotta take my steps right.
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We gotta be careful here. I gotta play twenty thirty
mile an hour wins. I gotta play this little hook
like it's not an easy shot. It's like the equivalent
of golf if you're hitting a t shot with wind
and there's water, Like I have no margin for air here.
So was it ideal? No, But like I do think
he had to take his time because no matter what,
he had to hit the kick. And I do I
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also think that there would have been coaches in the
NFL that when they got because it was one fifty nine,
they had two timeouts. Now, the Bears defense, they're not
known for their defense, right, they get takeaways, they create turnovers.
I mean they got one a night against Josh Jacobs
down by the red zone. That you create another one
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on the onside kick UF. I mean, they're just they're
blessed when it comes to the turnovers. But like they're
not a great defense. You could have been like, hey,
we're gonna kick it off. We got two timeouts and
hopefully we could tackle them somewhere between the twenty and
the thirty, get a stop, get the ball back with
let's say a buck ten, a buck fifteen, and let
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Caleb b Caleb. I don't think that would have been
the craziest thing. Now, you could argue that you know
they've been running the ball. Well, they do have their
backup quarterback in and while he did a valiant job,
it made some unreal place and the Packers are of
a lot of credit for his improvement because it has
truly been incredible that I think you could have done it.
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And once they got it, it was on like Donkey
Kong because you give the Bears and Caleb the ball
back at the fifty yard line with multiple timeouts, they
were kind of on easy street. They did not have
to rush at all. He could take his time, have
a couple scrambles, hit a couple out routes. But then
anytime in that situation, it's like, especially if you make
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some positive plays once you get down toward, once you
get down toward like the red zone. Because they were
at like the twelve yard line on first and ten,
he hits Loveland for six yards, little out route, he
gets out of bounds. Next pass is incomplete. So all
of a sudden you look up and it's like it's
third and four. Now they still could have got it
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first down. It wasn't third and goal, But you're like,
this is a little tricky spot because for the most
of the drive they just drove right down. He had
Dj Moore over the middle. He scrambled for a play,
and then once it gets third and four, you go, god,
I kind of get tight so I started thinking, like
ore kleb Ben, like you guys, he's pretty big play.
And I think clearly, over the course of the season,
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you would have felt pretty confident because you'd be like, oh,
kayleb just gonna scramble around, make something happen. Worst case scenario,
gets it with his legs. But they've been doing such
a good job throughout the game that you weren't quite
as confident. And clearly you looked at the line of scrimmage,
it felt like there were seven or eight, you know,
yellow jerseys. It's like, I think he's bringing the house.
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And on the third down play he brought the house
and Caleb airmails the ball, and then on the fourth
down play, he brought the house again and he hit
him in the back of the end zone for the
game time touchdown, and it was awesome. You know where
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. And obviously after in overtime
when Malik Willis fumbles the ball. I thought, going into
overtime and I Texas to our group chat that it
was going to be stunning or I would have been
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stunned if the Packers won the game. It felt like
once he hit that pass, the game was over. Now
that wasn't necessarily the case, right. The Packers had a
six play, forty three yard drive and he fumbled the
ball at the Chicago thirty six, So it's like they
had successful plays. They couldn't kick a field goal from
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that distance. It would have been forty six fifty plus
yard field goal with the win pretty risky. I have
no problem for them going for it now. The fumble
was obviously just a complete kick in the you know what.
And then Caleb four plays later throws the bomb the
DJ Moore who I mean, just an absolute gorgeous ball,
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and you know, it gets back to one thing why
Caleb was anointed so early was the physical gifts. I mean,
the arm is just elite, and Colin and I have
been talking about this all year long. I mean part
of the reason, like I've always said, I can live
with interceptions. You want to throw fourteen interceptions throughout the season,
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who cares? Do you throw me forty touchdowns? The year
Matt Stafford and the Rams won the Super Bowl in
twenty one, he threw seventeen picks. He also threw forty
one touchdowns. I can't live with seventeen interceptions if you're
throwing twenty five touchdowns, right. I can live with mistakes
if you're giving me the big place and then when
you factor in. Caleb has become one of the better scramblers.
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I don't consider him a true runner, but like watching
the game before watching, like Mariota and Jalen who are
viewed as running quarterbacks, Jalen doesn't run as much as
he did early in his career, I feel like Caleb's
faster than both those guys. Like Caleb speed. At one
point tonight, I was like, I understand that it's never
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been a part of his offense since he became an
offensive coordinator with Jared Goff, But I would have I'd
be careful because clearly you know your starting quarterback, but
he's pretty good at avoiding hits, like getting on the ground.
I would have some designed runs for Caleb Williams beside
just the passes where he creates something out of nothing.
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And I thought there were points in time throughout the
game because they were doing with Malik Willis. I'm like,
I think you could do this with Caleb and it
would be effective because there run game. At one point tonight,
they had twenty six carries for one hundred and fifty yards,
which is not bad, but it didn't feel like they
were quite as dominant as they'd been. They had drives
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where they were very successful, but I thought there were
moments where it's like you could use Klyb's legs here,
like he's pretty fast. You could have some like RPO
zone reed stuff where you kind of freeze people and
just let him take off. And he ended up doing that,
you know, kind of anyway toward the end of the
game when he scrambled around he was I mean it
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was a defining moment of the young man's career. I
mean it was tonight was really really big, and it
was really really cool as a football fan. And listen
to Bears. They're having a season. I mean they're eleven
and four. Their next game is against the forty nine ers,
who play on Monday night football on the road. Do
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you know the advantage? Obviously, this big, this win, and
I mean the next two days, no one on the
team will even be able to focus. Don't even blame them.
I mean, you're you're gonna be riding high. But the
team you play does not play tomorrow. They don't even
play Monday Day. They played Monday at night on the
East Coast in Indianapolis. What time are they gonna get
back to San Francisco. Now it's a road game for
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the Bears, but can you imagine the advantage of basically,
they don't get twenty four hour advantage, they get forty
eight plus hours advantage. And they were already gonna have
an advantage in the sense that, like they have pretty
dynamic offensive players, the forty nine ers are rolling out
a lot of backups. It's gonna be a tough matchup
for the forty nine ers. Then you factor in the
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rest advantage. I think the Bears have a very very
good chance to win that game. And then potentially, I mean,
the Lions could be KO'ed out of the playoffs by
Week eighteen, and who knows by the seeding, and you know,
the Packers play the Ravens next week, so there's no
guarantee that they're ever gonna win that game. I mean
this this division could be wrapped up. Who knows by
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the time that they play the forty nine Ers on
Sunday Night Football. But definitely if they were to win
that game, I mean, I think there's a decent chance
that this division's over. So congratulations of the Bears. Congratulations
of Caleb Williams. Just remarkable improvement throughout the season, truly
has been, and he's a fun player to watch. He's
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tonight with the biggest moments, made incredible fucking plays. The
touchdown pass to end the game was just a thing
of beauty, great catch by DJ Moore at one point
in time, Now he would there were points in time
late in that game where he clearly was gassed that
you wonder like did he just break his collar bone
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or something, because he was laying there and then clearly
he got up and started celebrating. Everyone was having a
good time. But that was Listen. I don't pretend to
be a Bears historian, but in recent memory, you know,
post like the end of the earlock or through Cutler
kind of like twenty ten run. This has to be
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one of their better wins of the last fifteen years,
and you could argue it's their best win, you know,
for a team that they just could not beat. When
it was sixteen six and five minutes left, you went, listen, Chicago,
You're still gonna go to the playoffs. You're having a
fantastic season. For whatever reason, this team just owned you.
I don't even know how to describe it, but they
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just own you. And then you know they don't own them.
They just the ownership felt like it ended now, not
for good, Like the Packers are still a well run franchise.
They're not going anywhere. But for as great of a
win as that was for Chicago, and that was a
great win, a great win, that was a devastating loss
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for the Packers. I I don't know how anyone with
the Packers will be able to sleep for days. One
emotional toll they had coming into this game after losing
Micah Parsons for the season had to just be weighing
on everyone in the organization, players, coaches, scouts, you name it.
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Then early in this game, your starting quarterback, who looked
pretty solid and was probably gonna have a solid game,
gets absolutely obliterated, clear like this guy ain't coming back
in the game, never see him again, helmet gets taken away.
They go to Malik Willis, who when they traded a
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seventh round pick I think at the end of training
camp last year from Malik Willis. I would say they
were universally mocked and made fun of because most people
I was probably guilty of this too, just thought Malik
Willis could not play in the NFL. The guy, the
Malik Willis we watched the night was like good player.
Malik Willis made multiple big throws. Obviously the touchdown pass.
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He made a great throw over the middle. The Musk
Graves had Jayden Reid on a play over the middle
like his. His numbers will not reflect how good Malik
Willis was and I especially when you factor in some
of the games they were talking about to now on
the broadcast were games when Jordan lovel was just out
so he was the starter Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
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This guy and even Brady like he ain't get any
reps during the week. He's like they and they ain't
changing the game plan at least till halftime because you're
just running with the game plan as he's in in
the first halford you don't have time. You're just calling
the plays that were already in the game plan. He's
clearly studied it with Jordan, but you're not adapting till halftime,
where you kind of got to scrap some stuff. Really
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sit down and talk with him like, hey, what do
we like? What are we gonna do? What are some
stuff we've done in previous games? Like that, There's a
lot going on. And he goes nine to eleventh or
one hundred and twenty yards, throws a touchdown. He also
had ten carries for forty four yards. I mean, he
was awesome. So he comes in to spell Love, who's
kot out of the game, plays fantastic on the road,
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windy cold game has you up ten points and you lose.
I don't know how you shake that. And I respect
a shit out of the Packers because that move is classic,
right right, that is a move that you go this
guy's undervalue. We like this guy coming out. We think
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he's a high character guy. We think physically he's really gifted.
I mean, listen, Anthony Richson, look at that guy. Because
he was a guy I think he came out of Liberty.
He could run, he had a big arm, had no
clue where was going played in the NFL. Was just
a debucle for the Titans. Several years later, he's a
real NFL player. Like I think, like could he be
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an NFL bridge quarterback at least? Like he's got some
skills and they have coached this guy up. He's improved dramatically.
He deserves a lot of credit. You know, the culture
of this building. You just come to this ain't Tennessee.
You come to Green Bay. We uplift everyone. The improves.
We have one of the highest floors as a franchise
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in the NFL. And we're beating the Bears. We're gonna
have complete owners of them until we didn't I and
now we're not winning the division. We I mean, we
still got to battle our ass off to make the playoffs.
You know, we'll see what happens with the Lions in
the Pittsburgh Steeler game tomorrow, but we like, what is
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going on? How did this happen? We're well run organization.
We trade two first round picks, We pay a guy
two hundred million dollars. He's got a torn acl I
just don't know what you do. We're doing everything the
right way, and now we're nine to five and one,
and I tonight ultimately didn't you know, might indirectly in
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their season, but their season was lost when they lost
the if they missed the playoffs or a one and
done team in the playoffs, because they're the seven seed
and didn't win the division. Because you lost the Brows,
you tied the Cowboys, like you can't. That can't have.
You had a ten point lead against the Browns in
the fourth quarter. You should not at that time be
losing or tying the Cowboys. That cannot happen. And all
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of a sudden, instead of being nine to five and one,
you have the same record as the Bears, even if
you lose this game in that fashion. But you set
yourself up for this with that. And I tweeted this
when Malik Willis came in and made one play, said,
if Matt Lafleur can win this game with Malik Willis
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on the road, when he did not prepare to be
the starter, you have to give him a contract extension tomorrow.
And honestly, I thought, for the most part, he did
a good job and what he's done with Malik Willis
is pretty remarkable, and their defensive coordinator is freaking awesome,
and they're still nine to five and one, and it
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felt like they had like four more injuries tonight. Now
Emmanuel Wilson, he was kind of an older I think,
small school guy, was running his ass off the night,
and clearly Jacob's banged up and they were just riding
the hot hand. But I just I don't know what
you do. I mean, the Bears. I wrote it down.
They had ten penalties at one point in time. They
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ended with ten penalties for one hundred and five yards.
Packers only had four. So you're winning a game by
ten points. They have ten penalties, and I don't know
how you shake it. That is. It doesn't get any better.
If I'm a Bears fan. It's one of the best
wins we've ever I could ever remember, right. I'm sure
you had some back of your heyday, but that's as
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good as it gets, especially playing that franchise on Saturday
night leading into the week of Christmas. Everyone's at home,
everyone's watching that game. Tom Brady's on the call. I
bet thirty five million people watch. My guess, maybe I'm crazy.
Thirty million people, A ton of people watched, you still lose.
I don't know how you shake that. I really don't.
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And I think the Packers like are well run. I
think they have a good coaching staff. They clearly have
good players. I mean, how they got good backups and
they still found a way to lose tonight. I that one.
I'm not saying this calls into question Lafleur's job, but
it's kind of the way the NFL works, fair or not.
He was coming into the season coaching for a contract extension.
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I mean that was that was an established fact by
the new president. And now he's nine to five and one.
There's a chance they go to the playoffs. It's like
the seventh seed is ten five and one. I guess
that'd be sixteen maybe ten six in one. If they
split the last two games and they limp in and
they get knocked out, It's like, what do you do.
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Do you just give him a reprieve because some weird
shit happened because you had a bunch of injuries. Do
you try to improve? Do you just go with halflee?
But then you still, like, clearly the floor is good
at working with quarterbacks, which is an extremely valuable skill.
I don't know. I don't know the answer. I personally
think he's good, but you know, you watch it like,
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I don't think there's that much of a difference. You know,
Ben's obviously this is first year coaching. I would say,
if you did a draft from scratch, I would imagine
fair or not. I mean, Lafour's resume is much longer,
and we live in a little bit of a society
that what have you done for me lately? But I
do think if you just polled GMS, who would you
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take Ben Johnson or Matt Lafleur. I think most people
would take Matt laflor or excuse me, Ben Johnson, right,
And those are type questions that in Green Bay internally
they will ask. Again, I'm not pinning this game on
him by any means, but it was a big picture
question coming into the season, and this is a results
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based business, you know. Brandon Staley used to talk about this,
and bad coaches always talked about like, well, I think
our process is right. You're not judged on your process.
Nick Saban writes books about his process because he won
six titles. Jeff Bezos writes books about the process because
he runs the biggest company in the world. I mean,
no one cares about the process of the Cleveland Browns
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and Paul deep Podesta, right, no one cares about the
Colorado Rockies who lose one hundred and twenty games a
year about their process, even if it's right, No one
gives a shit. So I want to hear about Ben
Johnson's process. What has he done? What's Kayleb Williams process? Why?
Because they're getting results. That's the way the world works,
always has, always will So I just think the Packers
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thing is gonna get it could get weird, and the
Bears are just I don't know, man, they're living well.
Congrats to Kayleb Williams for just definitely his most or
you know, iconic moment as you know, in his young
career so far in the NFL, to do that on
Saturday night football walk off bomb. You know, we don't see,
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like I said, onside, tick is probably the least likely
thing we see. It's pretty rare. You know, football is
not quite like basketball. Usually don't have like walk off touchdowns.
It's more walk off field goals. But in overtime, every
once you get walk off touchdowns, it's pretty rare. You
just get the walk off. Sometimes you get like a
walk off blown coverage and a guy walks in or
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a big run. It's pretty rare. You just get like
a walk in, absolute bomb catch for a touchdown that's contested. Right,
the dB was right there. It wasn't like, you know,
DJ's wide open, He's got to hit him like the
guy was all over And how long was that catch?
Forty six yards? Djit Moore is good tonight. Five catches
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for ninety seven yards in the touchdown. Monangai is a beast.
What a game? What a game? A couple of quick
things before we get out of here. I don't have
much to say on the Eagles game. They ended up
blowing him out in the second half. I mean, Washington's unwatchable.
They really are, they are, They're really, really bad. I
mean Josh Johnson came in. I just had to go
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to his Wikipedia again. He has played on so many
freaking teams. He's played like seven different leagues too, XFL, UFL, NFL.
I mean the guy. The guy came into the NFL
in two thousand and eight for Tampa Bay. I'm pretty
sure I didn't count it up. Maybe i'll do a
segment this week. I think he's played for like fifteen
teams in the league. It's it's pretty insane. It's thirty
nine years old. He just keeps you just look up,
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a guy gets injured, he's in the game. But you know, Philly,
I think they won the division tonight. Right, their games
are gonna always look the same like their game if
they're gonna win playoff games, it's going to be ugly,
like they're not gonna win games and look great. That's
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not the way they've played all season long. Their offense
is just really really weird. I mean tonight got going
in the second half. H Saquon kind of started going off.
But they're playing the worst defense in the league. Like
whoever they play in the playoffs in the first round,
they're gonna host a game, right, the forty nine ers
Seattle Green Bay. It's gonna be a weird game, and
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I would imagine if they win multiple players they're all
gonna be weird. So defensively they're good. Offensively, they have
a ton of pieces. They can have drives where it
just looks horrendous, right, and Jalen is just a bizarre player.
But then he can just go on stretches where it's
like Davante aj Saquon god Her, You're like that was sweet.
That's the bizarre part. It's like, we understand, you know,
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Malik Willis has to play right or super cold and windy.
It's understandable that the game, you know, is sixteen to
thirteen or sixteen to nine, Like, yeah, that's the way
games are in freezing Cole. But whenever you watch the Eagles,
you're like, you got a j Brown, Davonte Smith, Saquon Barkley,
and Dallas Goddard and you can't get first downs for
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you know, quarters at a time against this defense. How
is this possible? You have seven points going to aftime?
What's going on now? Part of it? And here's the
kicker here, here's the one concern for the Philadelphia Eagles.
When your margin is really small, which clearly it is
because of their offense, your kicker is kind of important. Right.
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Your defense is good and it's gonna be good, especially
if it's pretty healthy coming in what they keep an
eye on Jail and Carter, But like Jake Elliott, missing
a bunch of kicks is a problem and that's gonna
throw off Sirianni in their analytical department, because they will
punt on having him kick if he missed a couple
of kicks down the stretch you know, I'm talking about
down the stretch of these next couple of games leading
in to the playoffs, Like they're just gonna run him
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out now that these games don't necessarily matter into high
pressure points situations, and if he can't kick, like I
the other thing is like they won't be afraid to
like make a move, you know, if he is untrustworthy
and they go we're gonna be in a game that's
gonna be like seventeen to fifteen. And it's the difference
of him missing an extra point in a field goal
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from forty yards us going to the next round or not.
We're we can live and die with Jalen playing shitty,
right or Mitchell or you know some of our guys
on defense, Cooper Degen. If we get beat with them
playing shitty, like okay, so be it. But we are
not going down because of our kicker. I promise you,
Howie Roseman will not go down Jeffrey Lori with their kicker.
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If the offense because you know, they got some offensive
line injuries and Jalen plays shitty. There's nothing you can
do about that, But there is with a kicker. There's
a million kickers on the street who can make field goals.
We see it all the time. So I think the
Jake Elliott thing these last fourteen days something to keep
an eye on. Now. It's hard to make a kicker switch,
right especially a guy that's been a kicker for a
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long time. But I think that's a pretty big problem
right now for them. And last about listen, the college
football thing we saw coming from a mile away. You know,
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the Alabama Oklahoma game was pretty crazy last night. But
John Mattier, ever since he broke his hand, just hasn't
been very good, you know. And he's just a complete
roller coaster ride. And the more he throws, the worse
he gets. And Kaylen dubor h Bruce Feldman put this
out last night at seven to one against top ten opponents.
But he's a big game coach. He's pretty good. Everyone
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acted like he's the village idiot because he lost to Georgia.
Oh yeah, he beat them the previous two times he
played him. He's a good coach. Is it a little
bit of a weird fit in Alabama. Yes, is Kaylen
Dubor good at coaching football? Like Kirk Signetti said, google him.
He wins a lot. He's gonna be fine. He would
win anywhere he went. Now he's gonna do it a
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little differently. But that was a fantastic win. And Matteer,
I mean, you talk about a guy through the first
couple of weeks looked like he was gonna win the
Heisman to break his hand. Now he goes he gonna
come back and be their quarterback next year. Uh, but listen,
fantastic win by Alabama. I watched the second half of
Miami Texas A and M that's just just a terrible
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product that no one wants to watch a game that
looks like that. No one does. That was awful, But
bunch of NFL defensive and offensive lineman, physical game quarterbacks.
Not great is what it is. The other two games
are an embarrassment. And I know a lot of people
are going to talk about this not in a million years.
Because the Fresno Grizzlies or the Sacramento Rivercats have a
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fantastic season in Triple A, do they get to play
the Phillies or the Dodgers in the playoffs. What are
we doing. It's clearly about money, It's clearly about litigation.
Let's figure a way out. Get with your TV partners,
create them a playoff. Never again do we want to watch?
And I know Klatt, I think he took a lot
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of shit because he took a shot at the March madness,
which I'm gonna agree with Marsh Maddis is incredible, but
football is not Marsh Madness. No one wants to watch
the little guy ever. And when we kind of did
maybe twenty years ago, Boise State with Kellen Moore played
on a team that eleven guys got drafted. If it
was twenty twenty five, probably nine of those guys would
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have been bought by Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma.
They wouldn't have been on the team, including Kellen. Potentially
those teams won't exist ever again. Hell, it's difficult for
teams like Arizona State, who just paid their coach seven
and a half million dollars Kenny Dillingham to stay. In
his first press conference after signing the contract, he gets
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on a microphone and begs for twenty million dollars, says
Is there a rich guy at Scottsdale or Phoenix that
can write me a twenty million dollar check. Historically, when
you bake for twenty million dollars, that was a huge
donation of the program. It would last a long time.
He's talking about his roster in twenty twenty six. That
pays for one roster. One and you still wouldn't even
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have the highest paid roster in your own conference, the
Big Twelve, because Texas Texas Tech has a billionaire funding them.
There is no room for the little guy in college football.
This is not basketball. They are not apples to apples.
In college basketball, it's very possible because a random guy
from a random school can hit a bunch of threes,
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they can press you full court, they can just do
different shit. College football is not that way. You saw
some of those defensive linemen from Miami. There is no
one at JMU, There was no one at Tulane, there
was no one at Boise State. There is no one
at any of those schools right now that was gonna
block those guys. Ever, and for the most part, even
when the little of the engine could got their shot,
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they didn't pull. Boise pulled the upset against Oklahoma. I
remember this vividly when Hawaii played Georgia in a bowl
game years ago with Colt Brennan and the right tackle
for Hawaii, or could have been the left tackle got
beat on every single play and Colt got killed. He
got destroyed in Hawaii had absolutely no business being on
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the field against them. It was honestly pretty embarrassing, and
more often than not, that's what you get. So we
had blowouts and I guess JMU ended up covering. But
this has to end. It has to end. There has
to be divisions. There's a reason Montana played Montana State
because they're both in D one Double A. They both
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are on the same level. Tulane should be playing JMU
in their own version of the playoffs. That's only fair.
Notre Dame, Texas, Vanderbilt, whoever should have been in those
two spots. We all knew it, so there's no reason
to complain about it because we all knew at the
moment the rules forced us to watch that. I don't
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blame Oregon or Ole miss I mean, they just play
who they get. The selection committee forces them to play.
But if you gave Dan Lanning truce here and we
be like yeah, this is a joke. What are we
talking about here? So we just hopefully this year, like
the key is going to be getting the TV partners
involved and funneling them some money because I'm pretty sure
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the JMU and two Lane each got eight million dollars.
Now I think they have to split some of that
with their conference. Maybe they get two shares and the
rest of the conference teams or programs get one each.
But like it just it just has to stop. But again,
congratulations with Caleb Williams. What a freaking night. The volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? Did we really
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just witness that the Chicago Bears in one of the
crazier comebacks I would say off their season, because they've
had some, but definitely the craziest comeback down sixteen to
six with five minutes left in the game, get an
onside kick, and Caleb Williams is you know, I would say,
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doing some work to establish one day I might have
a statue in front of the stadium because that was
a pretty iconic moment for a legendary franchise. And we'll
dive all into the game before we talk any football.
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tonight is about Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. Appreciate
everyone watching. We will be live again tomorrow, have the
podcast with Colin as well, then live again Monday night
for the forty nine ers and Indianapolis well phillip Rivers
on Monday Night. So we got a lot going on
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coming up here in the near future. But tonight's really
all about Kayleb Williams and the Chicago Bears, and listen,
I mean I talk about this sometimes you gotta be
really careful about writing your script. I don't script podcasts.
Obviously you could just see me talking into the camera,
but the topics and the headlines and the things that
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you're fired up about. And once they got that onside kick,
it obviously ruined everything. And you know, they were down
sixteen to six with five minutes left to go. And
if you would have told me that earlier today, before
the game kicked off and before we even talk any football.
A lot of props to Chicago. I don't usually get
like this. I definitely do sometimes on Saturdays throughout the
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fall when you turn on a game and you go,
that looks pretty cool. That looks like a place that
I would want to be at. That looks like an
incredible experience for everyone sitting in that stadium. And because
the Bears really since like the Erlacker Briggs days, and
maybe in twenty ten was their last really really good
season when they were in the NFC Championship game. Ironically
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they lost to that Aaron Rodgers Packer team that went
on to win the Super Bowl. We haven't seen them
in that many enormous games late in the season at home,
and when that game started, it felt like Lsubama, it
felt like Ohio State, Michigan. It felt really big and
really important. And Chicago obviously is one of our great
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sports towns in America, and I've never, you know, live
there or anything, but now living in Arizona, some of
my neighbors you know, are from there, and it is
a bear city. And that that place being alive was
freaking awesome. I mean, it was alive all early in
the game, and then obviously when they got that on
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side kick and that place was just rocking. But even
throughout the game, when and at one point time they're
down ten points in a windy game, You're like, this
is gonna be impossible. They're just gonna lose. Caleb was
playing pretty well. Like if you would have told me
that they were down ten plus points, they only had
six points with five minutes to go in the game,
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I bet Caleb didn't play well. If anything, I thought
Jeff Halfley was doing a really good job of just
corralling him. He throughout the game hadn't made plays, scrambling
around doing what he has done all season, and he
didn't get that many opportunities because I looked in the
fourth quarter, the Bears had twenty less plays. The time
of possession skewed heavily to the Packers. Green Bay ran
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the ball to Night forty four times for one hundred
and ninety two yards. It's not like he was two
of twenty five. He just didn't get that many plays,
didn't get that many pass attempts. But they get the
on side kick and he just turned into Superman. A
couple of big runs, a nice row to DJ Moore,
and then once they got down to the goal line again,
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Halfley's elite. Like I came away from that game thinking,
Jeff Hafley is awesome. He's his timely blitzes and they
were getting home. They did a really good job of
not letting Caleb just like scramble around every time he
would turn there and be a guy there. Clearly the
coaching points on the you know, keeping the lanes because
Caleb is so dangerous when he's scrambling around. And when
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they called that blitz on that game tying touchdown pass, Caleb,
you know, when it left his hands because the previous
two passes had been air mails. I assume like Oh
my god, did he just miss him? Because all of
a sudden, you look and this guy, I'll be honest,
I don't know anything about His name is John day Walker,
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the undrafted free agent. Don't remember his college career, that
that's for sure. But when he left his hands, I'm like,
I think he missed him. And it was, honestly like
if there had been a defender in front of him,
if the Packers hadn't screwed up, it would have been
like Joe Montana to Dwight Clark. It was a dime
obviously in a great catch. It was just like the
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perfect play, and you went, what a moment for the
young man. And I'm a big Kevin Burkhardt fan. Listen,
tom Brady is vastly improved. And part of the compliment
toward Tom Brady is you just watch his games and
you don't even you know last year's like what is
he talking about now? It's just like it's just a
flow of the game. It's just really good. It's an
easy watch. And they were saying, like, I think you
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go for two. He's I bet he's gonna go for two.
You do not go for two at home. You do
not go for two at home, when they have their
backup quarterback in the game and you have one more
win than them, you do not do that. I don't
care what these new spreadsheets say, what Paul D. Podesta
and his seventy five people working for the Brown say
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as they win three games a year, I don't give
a shit. You do exactly what Ben Johnson did. And
Ben Johnson early in this game, on that first drive
when they drove right down the field and you went,
this guy's got a dial today had probably the worst
play call of his career, definitely of his career since
he's called meaningful football right the last couple of years
with the Lions and obviously this year with the Bears
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when DeAndre Swift had been running right down their throat.
You have a quarterback who is just an exceptional athlete
who can make shit happen with his feet, and they
did some like snap it under Cole Comets, like as
he's pretended to be the quarterback to do a toush
push to the running back that gets airmail. It was
a disaster, And I bet I'm doing this right after
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the game, Ben Johnson's going to admit that that's beyond stupid. Listen,
it happens. No one's perfect, Like I'm not acting like
you can't do a dumb play call. It's just weird
to see when you have one of the best play
callers in the league who has been kind of, as
the kids would say, in his bag all season long.
But one thing that you have to do in these games,
and I think it's Ben Harden. They kind of talked
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about it during the broadcast. Is I think when Caleb
was talking to Kevin and Tom, he's like, listen, you
know part of you know when you watch Steph Curry
he's gonna he doesn't anymore. But early on in his
career you're like, what the hell are you? Oh? Great shot?
And there is a huge element like, listen, I was wrong.
I did not think this was gonna work. I did not,
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and early in the season his accuracy issues what Ben
Johnson would like in a player. But the one thing
Caleb has shown which I respect the most when it
comes to players is mental toughness. And mental toughness doesn't
show up in the first quarter. Mental toughness shows up
late in games. Mental toughness shows up when you're fatigued.
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And what happens late in games. You've been hit a
couple of times, you're feeling it mentally, physically, you are
you know, it takes big time focus. The majority of
games in the NFL are within one score in the
fourth quarter. This is not jmu versus Oregon. This is
not too lane ole miss. In the NFL, when you
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have two good teams like the Packers and the Bears,
let alone, like what a bad team plays a good team,
you get close games all the time. Hell, look at
the Eagles in Washington throughout the first like two and
a half quarters. It's tightly contested game the NFL, and
Caleb has shown time and time again like he's mentally
pretty tough. There has never been any disputing his physical skills.
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Like that pass he made to tie the game was,
you know, getting rushed coming back corner back corner of
the end zone was a big time throw. And obviously
the runs on that drive were fantastic as well. He's
done that all season long. He had DJ Moore over
the middle, it was, it was a fantastic drive. And
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then clearly the game winning throw is just only so
many guys have that in the back and I think
to Malik Willison. We'll get into that in a second.
Arm strength in these cold weather cities really really matter.
It really matters. And he saw it tonight on full
display and Jordan Love before he got hurt. Same thing.
You have to have a strong arm to function in
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the passing game in places like Chicago where the wind
is gusting up to thirty thirty five miles an hour
on top of it being twenty eight to thirty degrees.
I played golf this morning it was seventy four degrees.
I can't relate to that. I despised the cold, so
I respect it. But I've lived in Philly, like I
we played of I remember when we went to Chicago
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at the time, they had terrible field back in the day.
Their field feels a little more buttoned up now. But
like his ability physically translates to that city. And clearly,
you know, success creates confidence and builds on it. And
obviously last year was just a complete disaster for everyone involved,
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and this year started getting a little weird early on.
And what they have done simply, I mean a large part.
You know that the head coach has been brilliant the
majority of the year. Tonight, I thought it was the
quarterback making place, pulling shit out of is you know
what because the defensive coordinator on the other team is
a guy that's gonna be a head coach probably in
like a month, and was doing a I mean that
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that was unreal by him and Lafloor most of the
game just running the ball, slowing down, controlling the clock,
uggling up that. That was a classic Kyle Shanahan game, right, Like,
we got some injuries and then our backup quarterback comes in.
The only way we can win ugly this thing up. Now,
we might take a shot or two, but we are
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not going to get into like a you know, a
big you know what swing contest with you because you
your star quarterback in you got DJ Moore and Cole
Kmett and Loveland, a bunch of guys. Our guys are
dropping like flies, and we got to ugly this thing up.
And it wasn't until the end where it kind of
got more in the bears favor and once they got that.
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Is there a crazier play in sports than the on
side kick? I was thinking, like a walk off home run.
I've seen a million of those, right, A game winning
shot like I've seen maybe like a game winning shot
from full court because it is so unexpected when an
onside kick happens. I think it's crazy when it even
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takes a crazy bounce and the team that's kicking the
ball even has a chance to get it, because I
feel like the majority of onside kicks, if we just
took fifty, the last fifty on side kicks, eighty percent
of them aren't even close either. Don't bounce crazy, don't
bounce high, go right to a guy, go fire out
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of bounds like it's never even a play. Then maybe
ten percent or fifteen percent of the remaining take a
really good bounce, but the guy just catches and hit
the ground. And then the tiny, tiny percent I know
they said eight percent of the time it works. Pine
Sewell's brother forty four was a step away and Dobbs
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looks up as the ball's taking a weird bounce because
listen that that guy's not paid to cover, he's paid
to hit. And Noah Sewell was about to fucking rock
his world and he felt it and he flinched. And
that's the only way an outside kick happens. Either the
guy just bungles it because it takes a weird bounce
or he gets a little scared and we can make
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fun of football. We want about being softer than ever
and relative to what it was thirty forty years ago,
one hundred percent. But that play that there's not that
much space between the guys. They're running full speed. You're
down on a knee at least if you're a punk returner,
like if you want to, you can make a busines decision.
You can fair catch it. You can just move out
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of the way like on an outside kick if you're
standing there on the hands team or you're on your
knees trying to you know, make a play like you're
a second baseman. There's no safety and they're putting guys
on defense like noahsoule that are just paid to do
one thing, rock people's world. And it happened, and that
was I would say the craziest wow moment of the game.
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There were three of them, the two touchdown passes, but like,
I don't think we're that shocked, Like we've seen very
talented quarterbacks make great plays and Caleb both those passes,
especially the game winner, was I mean, as gorgeous as
you're ever gonna see. But like when he lets it rip.
You're thinking like this could be caught right both passes
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when the on side kick happens, like let's just the
Packers is gonna win, and then your jaw hits the floor.
Now here's the other thing when they got the ball
back because they were getting crushed for running on the kicker,
and Tom was like, you gotta hurry up, You gotta
hurry up. I hear you most games, like if you're
indoors or you know, it's it's a seventy five degree
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day in Chicago in late September. The wind is pumping.
It's kind of intense, like it's a pretty big moment
for the kicker. If he misses, the game is one
hundred percent over. I understood like the urgency behind Tom
saying to hurry up. But I also understood from the
kicker's perspective of like, bro, I gotta take my steps right.
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We gotta be careful here. I gotta play twenty thirty
mile an hour wins. I gotta play this little hook
like it's not an easy shot. It's like the equivalent
of golf if you're hitting a t shot with wind
and there's water, Like I have no margin for air here.
So was it ideal? No, But like I do think
he had to take his time because no matter what,
he had to hit the kick. And I do I
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also think that there would have been coaches in the
NFL that when they got because it was one fifty nine,
they had two timeouts. Now, the Bears defense, they're not
known for their defense, right, they get takeaways, they create turnovers.
I mean they got one a night against Josh Jacobs
down by the red zone. That you create another one
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on the onside kick UF. I mean, they're just they're
blessed when it comes to the turnovers. But like they're
not a great defense. You could have been like, hey,
we're gonna kick it off. We got two timeouts and
hopefully we could tackle them somewhere between the twenty and
the thirty, get a stop, get the ball back with
let's say a buck ten, a buck fifteen, and let
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Caleb b Caleb. I don't think that would have been
the craziest thing. Now, you could argue that you know
they've been running the ball. Well, they do have their
backup quarterback in and while he did a valiant job,
it made some unreal place and the Packers are of
a lot of credit for his improvement because it has
truly been incredible that I think you could have done it.
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And once they got it, it was on like Donkey
Kong because you give the Bears and Caleb the ball
back at the fifty yard line with multiple timeouts, they
were kind of on easy street. They did not have
to rush at all. He could take his time, have
a couple scrambles, hit a couple out routes. But then
anytime in that situation, it's like, especially if you make
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some positive plays once you get down toward, once you
get down toward like the red zone. Because they were
at like the twelve yard line on first and ten,
he hits Loveland for six yards, little out route, he
gets out of bounds. Next pass is incomplete. So all
of a sudden you look up and it's like it's
third and four. Now they still could have got it
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first down. It wasn't third and goal, But you're like,
this is a little tricky spot because for the most
of the drive they just drove right down. He had
Dj Moore over the middle. He scrambled for a play,
and then once it gets third and four, you go, god,
I kind of get tight so I started thinking, like
ore kleb Ben, like you guys, he's pretty big play.
And I think clearly, over the course of the season,
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you would have felt pretty confident because you'd be like, oh,
kayleb just gonna scramble around, make something happen. Worst case scenario,
gets it with his legs. But they've been doing such
a good job throughout the game that you weren't quite
as confident. And clearly you looked at the line of scrimmage,
it felt like there were seven or eight, you know,
yellow jerseys. It's like, I think he's bringing the house.
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And on the third down play he brought the house
and Caleb airmails the ball, and then on the fourth
down play, he brought the house again and he hit
him in the back of the end zone for the
game time touchdown, and it was awesome. You know where
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. And obviously after in overtime
when Malik Willis fumbles the ball. I thought, going into
overtime and I Texas to our group chat that it
was going to be stunning or I would have been
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stunned if the Packers won the game. It felt like
once he hit that pass, the game was over. Now
that wasn't necessarily the case, right. The Packers had a
six play, forty three yard drive and he fumbled the
ball at the Chicago thirty six, So it's like they
had successful plays. They couldn't kick a field goal from
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that distance. It would have been forty six fifty plus
yard field goal with the win pretty risky. I have
no problem for them going for it now. The fumble
was obviously just a complete kick in the you know what.
And then Caleb four plays later throws the bomb the
DJ Moore who I mean, just an absolute gorgeous ball,
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and you know, it gets back to one thing why
Caleb was anointed so early was the physical gifts. I mean,
the arm is just elite, and Colin and I have
been talking about this all year long. I mean part
of the reason, like I've always said, I can live
with interceptions. You want to throw fourteen interceptions throughout the season,
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who cares? Do you throw me forty touchdowns? The year
Matt Stafford and the Rams won the Super Bowl in
twenty one, he threw seventeen picks. He also threw forty
one touchdowns. I can't live with seventeen interceptions if you're
throwing twenty five touchdowns, right. I can live with mistakes
if you're giving me the big place and then when
you factor in. Caleb has become one of the better scramblers.
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I don't consider him a true runner, but like watching
the game before watching, like Mariota and Jalen who are
viewed as running quarterbacks, Jalen doesn't run as much as
he did early in his career, I feel like Caleb's
faster than both those guys. Like Caleb speed. At one
point tonight, I was like, I understand that it's never
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been a part of his offense since he became an
offensive coordinator with Jared Goff, But I would have I'd
be careful because clearly you know your starting quarterback, but
he's pretty good at avoiding hits, like getting on the ground.
I would have some designed runs for Caleb Williams beside
just the passes where he creates something out of nothing.
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And I thought there were points in time throughout the
game because they were doing with Malik Willis. I'm like,
I think you could do this with Caleb and it
would be effective because there run game. At one point tonight,
they had twenty six carries for one hundred and fifty yards,
which is not bad, but it didn't feel like they
were quite as dominant as they'd been. They had drives
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where they were very successful, but I thought there were
moments where it's like you could use Klyb's legs here,
like he's pretty fast. You could have some like RPO
zone reed stuff where you kind of freeze people and
just let him take off. And he ended up doing that,
you know, kind of anyway toward the end of the
game when he scrambled around he was I mean it
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was a defining moment of the young man's career. I
mean it was tonight was really really big, and it
was really really cool as a football fan. And listen
to Bears. They're having a season. I mean they're eleven
and four. Their next game is against the forty nine ers,
who play on Monday night football on the road. Do
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you know the advantage? Obviously, this big, this win, and
I mean the next two days, no one on the
team will even be able to focus. Don't even blame them.
I mean, you're you're gonna be riding high. But the
team you play does not play tomorrow. They don't even
play Monday Day. They played Monday at night on the
East Coast in Indianapolis. What time are they gonna get
back to San Francisco. Now it's a road game for
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the Bears, but can you imagine the advantage of basically,
they don't get twenty four hour advantage, they get forty
eight plus hours advantage. And they were already gonna have
an advantage in the sense that, like they have pretty
dynamic offensive players, the forty nine ers are rolling out
a lot of backups. It's gonna be a tough matchup
for the forty nine ers. Then you factor in the
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rest advantage. I think the Bears have a very very
good chance to win that game. And then potentially, I mean,
the Lions could be KO'ed out of the playoffs by
Week eighteen, and who knows by the seeding, and you know,
the Packers play the Ravens next week, so there's no
guarantee that they're ever gonna win that game. I mean
this this division could be wrapped up. Who knows by
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the time that they play the forty nine Ers on
Sunday Night Football. But definitely if they were to win
that game, I mean, I think there's a decent chance
that this division's over. So congratulations of the Bears. Congratulations
of Caleb Williams. Just remarkable improvement throughout the season, truly
has been, and he's a fun player to watch. He's
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tonight with the biggest moments, made incredible fucking plays. The
touchdown pass to end the game was just a thing
of beauty, great catch by DJ Moore at one point
in time, Now he would there were points in time
late in that game where he clearly was gassed that
you wonder like did he just break his collar bone
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or something, because he was laying there and then clearly
he got up and started celebrating. Everyone was having a
good time. But that was Listen. I don't pretend to
be a Bears historian, but in recent memory, you know,
post like the end of the earlock or through Cutler
kind of like twenty ten run. This has to be
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one of their better wins of the last fifteen years,
and you could argue it's their best win, you know,
for a team that they just could not beat. When
it was sixteen six and five minutes left, you went, listen, Chicago,
You're still gonna go to the playoffs. You're having a
fantastic season. For whatever reason, this team just owned you.
I don't even know how to describe it, but they
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just own you. And then you know they don't own them.
They just the ownership felt like it ended now, not
for good, Like the Packers are still a well run franchise.
They're not going anywhere. But for as great of a
win as that was for Chicago, and that was a
great win, a great win, that was a devastating loss
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for the Packers. I I don't know how anyone with
the Packers will be able to sleep for days. One
emotional toll they had coming into this game after losing
Micah Parsons for the season had to just be weighing
on everyone in the organization, players, coaches, scouts, you name it.
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Then early in this game, your starting quarterback, who looked
pretty solid and was probably gonna have a solid game,
gets absolutely obliterated, clear like this guy ain't coming back
in the game, never see him again, helmet gets taken away.
They go to Malik Willis, who when they traded a
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seventh round pick I think at the end of training
camp last year from Malik Willis. I would say they
were universally mocked and made fun of because most people
I was probably guilty of this too, just thought Malik
Willis could not play in the NFL. The guy, the
Malik Willis we watched the night was like good player.
Malik Willis made multiple big throws. Obviously the touchdown pass.
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He made a great throw over the middle. The Musk
Graves had Jayden Reid on a play over the middle
like his. His numbers will not reflect how good Malik
Willis was and I especially when you factor in some
of the games they were talking about to now on
the broadcast were games when Jordan lovel was just out
so he was the starter Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
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This guy and even Brady like he ain't get any
reps during the week. He's like they and they ain't
changing the game plan at least till halftime because you're
just running with the game plan as he's in in
the first halford you don't have time. You're just calling
the plays that were already in the game plan. He's
clearly studied it with Jordan, but you're not adapting till halftime,
where you kind of got to scrap some stuff. Really
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sit down and talk with him like, hey, what do
we like? What are we gonna do? What are some
stuff we've done in previous games? Like that, There's a
lot going on. And he goes nine to eleventh or
one hundred and twenty yards, throws a touchdown. He also
had ten carries for forty four yards. I mean, he
was awesome. So he comes in to spell Love, who's
kot out of the game, plays fantastic on the road,
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windy cold game has you up ten points and you lose.
I don't know how you shake that. And I respect
a shit out of the Packers because that move is classic,
right right, that is a move that you go this
guy's undervalue. We like this guy coming out. We think
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he's a high character guy. We think physically he's really gifted.
I mean, listen, Anthony Richson, look at that guy. Because
he was a guy I think he came out of Liberty.
He could run, he had a big arm, had no
clue where was going played in the NFL. Was just
a debucle for the Titans. Several years later, he's a
real NFL player. Like I think, like could he be
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an NFL bridge quarterback at least? Like he's got some
skills and they have coached this guy up. He's improved dramatically.
He deserves a lot of credit. You know, the culture
of this building. You just come to this ain't Tennessee.
You come to Green Bay. We uplift everyone. The improves.
We have one of the highest floors as a franchise
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in the NFL. And we're beating the Bears. We're gonna
have complete owners of them until we didn't I and
now we're not winning the division. We I mean, we
still got to battle our ass off to make the playoffs.
You know, we'll see what happens with the Lions in
the Pittsburgh Steeler game tomorrow, but we like, what is
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going on? How did this happen? We're well run organization.
We trade two first round picks, We pay a guy
two hundred million dollars. He's got a torn acl I
just don't know what you do. We're doing everything the
right way, and now we're nine to five and one,
and I tonight ultimately didn't you know, might indirectly in
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their season, but their season was lost when they lost
the if they missed the playoffs or a one and
done team in the playoffs, because they're the seven seed
and didn't win the division. Because you lost the Brows,
you tied the Cowboys, like you can't. That can't have.
You had a ten point lead against the Browns in
the fourth quarter. You should not at that time be
losing or tying the Cowboys. That cannot happen. And all
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of a sudden, instead of being nine to five and one,
you have the same record as the Bears, even if
you lose this game in that fashion. But you set
yourself up for this with that. And I tweeted this
when Malik Willis came in and made one play, said,
if Matt Lafleur can win this game with Malik Willis
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on the road, when he did not prepare to be
the starter, you have to give him a contract extension tomorrow.
And honestly, I thought, for the most part, he did
a good job and what he's done with Malik Willis
is pretty remarkable, and their defensive coordinator is freaking awesome,
and they're still nine to five and one, and it
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felt like they had like four more injuries tonight. Now
Emmanuel Wilson, he was kind of an older I think,
small school guy, was running his ass off the night,
and clearly Jacob's banged up and they were just riding
the hot hand. But I just I don't know what
you do. I mean, the Bears. I wrote it down.
They had ten penalties at one point in time. They
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ended with ten penalties for one hundred and five yards.
Packers only had four. So you're winning a game by
ten points. They have ten penalties, and I don't know
how you shake it. That is. It doesn't get any better.
If I'm a Bears fan. It's one of the best
wins we've ever I could ever remember, right. I'm sure
you had some back of your heyday, but that's as
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good as it gets, especially playing that franchise on Saturday
night leading into the week of Christmas. Everyone's at home,
everyone's watching that game. Tom Brady's on the call. I
bet thirty five million people watch. My guess, maybe I'm crazy.
Thirty million people, A ton of people watched, you still lose.
I don't know how you shake that. I really don't.
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And I think the Packers like are well run. I
think they have a good coaching staff. They clearly have
good players. I mean, how they got good backups and
they still found a way to lose tonight. I that one.
I'm not saying this calls into question Lafleur's job, but
it's kind of the way the NFL works, fair or not.
He was coming into the season coaching for a contract extension.
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I mean that was that was an established fact by
the new president. And now he's nine to five and one.
There's a chance they go to the playoffs. It's like
the seventh seed is ten five and one. I guess
that'd be sixteen maybe ten six in one. If they
split the last two games and they limp in and
they get knocked out, It's like, what do you do.
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Do you just give him a reprieve because some weird
shit happened because you had a bunch of injuries. Do
you try to improve? Do you just go with halflee?
But then you still, like, clearly the floor is good
at working with quarterbacks, which is an extremely valuable skill.
I don't know. I don't know the answer. I personally
think he's good, but you know, you watch it like,
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I don't think there's that much of a difference. You know,
Ben's obviously this is first year coaching. I would say,
if you did a draft from scratch, I would imagine
fair or not. I mean, Lafour's resume is much longer,
and we live in a little bit of a society
that what have you done for me lately? But I
do think if you just polled GMS, who would you
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take Ben Johnson or Matt Lafleur. I think most people
would take Matt laflor or excuse me, Ben Johnson, right,
And those are type questions that in Green Bay internally
they will ask. Again, I'm not pinning this game on
him by any means, but it was a big picture
question coming into the season, and this is a results
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based business, you know. Brandon Staley used to talk about this,
and bad coaches always talked about like, well, I think
our process is right. You're not judged on your process.
Nick Saban writes books about his process because he won
six titles. Jeff Bezos writes books about the process because
he runs the biggest company in the world. I mean,
no one cares about the process of the Cleveland Browns
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and Paul deep Podesta, right, no one cares about the
Colorado Rockies who lose one hundred and twenty games a
year about their process, even if it's right, No one
gives a shit. So I want to hear about Ben
Johnson's process. What has he done? What's Kayleb Williams process? Why?
Because they're getting results. That's the way the world works,
always has, always will So I just think the Packers
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thing is gonna get it could get weird, and the
Bears are just I don't know, man, they're living well.
Congrats to Kayleb Williams for just definitely his most or
you know, iconic moment as you know, in his young
career so far in the NFL, to do that on
Saturday night football walk off bomb. You know, we don't see,
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like I said, onside, tick is probably the least likely
thing we see. It's pretty rare. You know, football is
not quite like basketball. Usually don't have like walk off touchdowns.
It's more walk off field goals. But in overtime, every
once you get walk off touchdowns, it's pretty rare. You
just get the walk off. Sometimes you get like a
walk off blown coverage and a guy walks in or
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a big run. It's pretty rare. You just get like
a walk in, absolute bomb catch for a touchdown that's contested. Right,
the dB was right there. It wasn't like, you know,
DJ's wide open, He's got to hit him like the
guy was all over And how long was that catch?
Forty six yards? Djit Moore is good tonight. Five catches
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for ninety seven yards in the touchdown. Monangai is a beast.
What a game? What a game? A couple of quick
things before we get out of here. I don't have
much to say on the Eagles game. They ended up
blowing him out in the second half. I mean, Washington's unwatchable.
They really are, they are, They're really, really bad. I
mean Josh Johnson came in. I just had to go
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to his Wikipedia again. He has played on so many
freaking teams. He's played like seven different leagues too, XFL, UFL, NFL.
I mean the guy. The guy came into the NFL
in two thousand and eight for Tampa Bay. I'm pretty
sure I didn't count it up. Maybe i'll do a
segment this week. I think he's played for like fifteen
teams in the league. It's it's pretty insane. It's thirty
nine years old. He just keeps you just look up,
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a guy gets injured, he's in the game. But you know, Philly,
I think they won the division tonight. Right, their games
are gonna always look the same like their game if
they're gonna win playoff games, it's going to be ugly,
like they're not gonna win games and look great. That's
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not the way they've played all season long. Their offense
is just really really weird. I mean tonight got going
in the second half. H Saquon kind of started going off.
But they're playing the worst defense in the league. Like
whoever they play in the playoffs in the first round,
they're gonna host a game, right, the forty nine ers
Seattle Green Bay. It's gonna be a weird game, and
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I would imagine if they win multiple players they're all
gonna be weird. So defensively they're good. Offensively, they have
a ton of pieces. They can have drives where it
just looks horrendous, right, and Jalen is just a bizarre player.
But then he can just go on stretches where it's
like Davante aj Saquon god Her, You're like that was sweet.
That's the bizarre part. It's like, we understand, you know,
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Malik Willis has to play right or super cold and windy.
It's understandable that the game, you know, is sixteen to
thirteen or sixteen to nine, Like, yeah, that's the way
games are in freezing Cole. But whenever you watch the Eagles,
you're like, you got a j Brown, Davonte Smith, Saquon Barkley,
and Dallas Goddard and you can't get first downs for
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you know, quarters at a time against this defense. How
is this possible? You have seven points going to aftime?
What's going on now? Part of it? And here's the
kicker here, here's the one concern for the Philadelphia Eagles.
When your margin is really small, which clearly it is
because of their offense, your kicker is kind of important. Right.
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Your defense is good and it's gonna be good, especially
if it's pretty healthy coming in what they keep an
eye on Jail and Carter, But like Jake Elliott, missing
a bunch of kicks is a problem and that's gonna
throw off Sirianni in their analytical department, because they will
punt on having him kick if he missed a couple
of kicks down the stretch you know, I'm talking about
down the stretch of these next couple of games leading
in to the playoffs, Like they're just gonna run him
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out now that these games don't necessarily matter into high
pressure points situations, and if he can't kick, like I
the other thing is like they won't be afraid to
like make a move, you know, if he is untrustworthy
and they go we're gonna be in a game that's
gonna be like seventeen to fifteen. And it's the difference
of him missing an extra point in a field goal
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from forty yards us going to the next round or not.
We're we can live and die with Jalen playing shitty,
right or Mitchell or you know some of our guys
on defense, Cooper Degen. If we get beat with them
playing shitty, like okay, so be it. But we are
not going down because of our kicker. I promise you,
Howie Roseman will not go down Jeffrey Lori with their kicker.
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If the offense because you know, they got some offensive
line injuries and Jalen plays shitty. There's nothing you can
do about that, But there is with a kicker. There's
a million kickers on the street who can make field goals.
We see it all the time. So I think the
Jake Elliott thing these last fourteen days something to keep
an eye on. Now. It's hard to make a kicker switch,
right especially a guy that's been a kicker for a
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long time. But I think that's a pretty big problem
right now for them. And last about listen, the college
football thing we saw coming from a mile away. You know,
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the Alabama Oklahoma game was pretty crazy last night. But
John Mattier, ever since he broke his hand, just hasn't
been very good, you know. And he's just a complete
roller coaster ride. And the more he throws, the worse
he gets. And Kaylen dubor h Bruce Feldman put this
out last night at seven to one against top ten opponents.
But he's a big game coach. He's pretty good. Everyone
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acted like he's the village idiot because he lost to Georgia.
Oh yeah, he beat them the previous two times he
played him. He's a good coach. Is it a little
bit of a weird fit in Alabama. Yes, is Kaylen
Dubor good at coaching football? Like Kirk Signetti said, google him.
He wins a lot. He's gonna be fine. He would
win anywhere he went. Now he's gonna do it a
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little differently. But that was a fantastic win. And Matteer,
I mean, you talk about a guy through the first
couple of weeks looked like he was gonna win the
Heisman to break his hand. Now he goes he gonna
come back and be their quarterback next year. Uh, but listen,
fantastic win by Alabama. I watched the second half of
Miami Texas A and M that's just just a terrible
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product that no one wants to watch a game that
looks like that. No one does. That was awful, But
bunch of NFL defensive and offensive lineman, physical game quarterbacks.
Not great is what it is. The other two games
are an embarrassment. And I know a lot of people
are going to talk about this not in a million years.
Because the Fresno Grizzlies or the Sacramento Rivercats have a
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fantastic season in Triple A, do they get to play
the Phillies or the Dodgers in the playoffs. What are
we doing. It's clearly about money, It's clearly about litigation.
Let's figure a way out. Get with your TV partners,
create them a playoff. Never again do we want to watch?
And I know Klatt, I think he took a lot
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of shit because he took a shot at the March madness,
which I'm gonna agree with Marsh Maddis is incredible, but
football is not Marsh Madness. No one wants to watch
the little guy ever. And when we kind of did
maybe twenty years ago, Boise State with Kellen Moore played
on a team that eleven guys got drafted. If it
was twenty twenty five, probably nine of those guys would
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have been bought by Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma.
They wouldn't have been on the team, including Kellen. Potentially
those teams won't exist ever again. Hell, it's difficult for
teams like Arizona State, who just paid their coach seven
and a half million dollars Kenny Dillingham to stay. In
his first press conference after signing the contract, he gets
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on a microphone and begs for twenty million dollars, says
Is there a rich guy at Scottsdale or Phoenix that
can write me a twenty million dollar check. Historically, when
you bake for twenty million dollars, that was a huge
donation of the program. It would last a long time.
He's talking about his roster in twenty twenty six. That
pays for one roster. One and you still wouldn't even
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have the highest paid roster in your own conference, the
Big Twelve, because Texas Texas Tech has a billionaire funding them.
There is no room for the little guy in college football.
This is not basketball. They are not apples to apples.
In college basketball, it's very possible because a random guy
from a random school can hit a bunch of threes,
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they can press you full court, they can just do
different shit. College football is not that way. You saw
some of those defensive linemen from Miami. There is no
one at JMU, There was no one at Tulane, there
was no one at Boise State. There is no one
at any of those schools right now that was gonna
block those guys. Ever, and for the most part, even
when the little of the engine could got their shot,
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they didn't pull. Boise pulled the upset against Oklahoma. I
remember this vividly when Hawaii played Georgia in a bowl
game years ago with Colt Brennan and the right tackle
for Hawaii, or could have been the left tackle got
beat on every single play and Colt got killed. He
got destroyed in Hawaii had absolutely no business being on
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the field against them. It was honestly pretty embarrassing, and
more often than not, that's what you get. So we
had blowouts and I guess JMU ended up covering. But
this has to end. It has to end. There has
to be divisions. There's a reason Montana played Montana State
because they're both in D one Double A. They both
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are on the same level. Tulane should be playing JMU
in their own version of the playoffs. That's only fair.
Notre Dame, Texas, Vanderbilt, whoever should have been in those
two spots. We all knew it, so there's no reason
to complain about it because we all knew at the
moment the rules forced us to watch that. I don't
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blame Oregon or Ole miss I mean, they just play
who they get. The selection committee forces them to play.
But if you gave Dan Lanning truce here and we
be like yeah, this is a joke. What are we
talking about here? So we just hopefully this year, like
the key is going to be getting the TV partners
involved and funneling them some money because I'm pretty sure
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the JMU and two Lane each got eight million dollars.
Now I think they have to split some of that
with their conference. Maybe they get two shares and the
rest of the conference teams or programs get one each.
But like it just it just has to stop. But again,
congratulations with Caleb Williams. What a freaking night. The volume
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