September 23, 2024 • 45 mins
John reacts to the Kansas City Chiefs' 22-17 victory over the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday Night Football. He praises the Chiefs' defense, led by Steve Spagnuolo, ranking them as the best in the league. He also critiques the Falcons' controversial fourth-down run play, which he believes cost them the game, and discusses Kirk Cousins' struggles under pressure, especially against the Chiefs' blitz. Despite the loss, John is impressed with the Falcons, noting they are better than expected and capable of competing with top teams like the Chiefs.John also reacts to the San Francisco 49ers' 27-24 loss to the Los Angeles Rams, particularly focusing on wide receiver Ronnie Bell's poor performance, which he believes warrants Bell being cut from the team. He calls this the worst loss of 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan's career.Finally, John wraps up the show with his overrated/underrated segment, John lists the Dallas Cowboys as overrated after their 28-25 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, where their defense was outmatched by Lamar Jackson. He praises Panthers QB Andy Dalton as underrated, noting how the Panthers' offense exploded after Dalton stepped in for Bryce Young. John also criticizes Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel, questioning his ability to win without Tua Tagovailoa. He highlights Giants wide receiver Malik Nabers and Eagles running back Saquon Barkley as underrated, emphasizing their impactful performances in their respective games. John continues by expressing disappointment in Bears QB Caleb Williams and calls out Tom Brady as an overrated broadcaster. He finishes by praising Packers head coach Matt LaFleur for leading the team to back-to-back wins with backup QB Malik Willis, and critiques the emphasis on passing in college football, pointing to Michigan's success with a strong run game against USC.
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23:35 - 49er's loss to the Rams
29:12 - Overrated/Underrated
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What is going on? My people? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast. It's a beautiful day
to be alive, especially if you're a Chiefs fan, because
you won the Super Bowl again and now you're three
and oh, you take down the Falcons in a very
entertaining game Atlanta. I would say, you know, BN O
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and three would have been a disaster, So I don't
want to say save their season. It's only September twenty second,
but that win against the Eagles was huge Tonight would
have been massive had their opportunities. I got to talk
about that fourth down call. I just not pretending to
be Mike Shanahan here, but I think we've all watched
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enough offensive football. I just I couldn't get behind that
play call. And we'll just talk about some other moments
in the game, some big picture topics with both teams.
Something really quick on the forty nine ers. We do
this every Sunday now, a little overrated, underrated on what
I saw today. Something yesterday as well, went on with
Colin as I do every Sunday after the four o'clock game,
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I'd say week three is in the books, but we
have a double header tomorrow. I hate Monday night doubleheaders.
I I really do. Part of the you know, if
you're a player or coach, a fan Monday Night, it's
like you get your own game, standalone game. I don't.
I just I like standalone Monday night games. Especially these
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two games kind of weird, but it is what it is,
not like I can change it. So yeah, let's get
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let's dive into the game big picture. I thought it
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was really fun both those two teams. And one thing
we've learned about Atlanta is they're a really physical team.
They are really good on defense. I've been really impressed,
and clearly the Chiefs have one of the best things
going right now because they're defense. They're a defensive team.
That's what they are. The days of scoring fifty points
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throwing for four hundred and fifty yards, it's not gonna happen,
and they don't care. They are very, very comfortable playing
in that game. So when the Falcons are driving, really
they had two drives to take the lead, And I'm
glad because a conversation a narrative, fair or not. Listen,
I'm biased. I'm not phased when the Chiefs get the calls,
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but I understand being on the other end of it.
It feels like the other team is constantly getting screwed.
And Kyle Pitts, who you know, should have been called
on the pass on third down for a pass interference,
it's not called. Next place, bags dows up a great blitz,
turn the ball over, then they get the ball back
and they get a makeup call. It happens all the
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time in the NBA, and it happened tonight in the NFL.
And then they got a couple other calls. So I
do not want to hear about the refs were in
the bag for the Chiefs because they blew it. They
missed the call on Pits, which should have been called
by the letter of the law, even though that play,
that call like doesn't bother me in most situations, but
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I get it standalone game Sunday night didn't get called.
I think it's fair for people to be like, oh
this ps then the Falcons got the ball back with
more than enough time and timeouts and got several calls
a horse caller a PI that was not PI because
the defender gets a spot to own the ground too
when Ray Reid runs into him, and it came down
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to a fourth in inches and in my personal opinion
on a fourth inches play, I don't love lateral runs.
And in theory, the Falcons are a very good running
team because Bijon Robinson is easily one of the most
talented backs in the league. But on a lateral run
in a zone running scheme, it is going to open
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holes for the linebacker, especially when the defense is in
like a goal line set so to get the edge,
especially on a defense, I would say this about the Chiefs.
I don't think there is a defense in the league
one through eleven who's as good, who's as well coached,
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whose players are as smart and top to bottom as
physical as the Chiefs. We'll see what the Steelers. Obviously
they're really good this year on defense. The Falcons are
solid on defense too. I don't think their d line
is as good as the Chiefs. But every guy on
Kansas City plays downhill, will tackle, will throw their body around,
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which is obviously rare. I would say more than half
the NFL has holes on defense when it comes to physicality.
That ain't an issue with the Chiefs. So when you
run a lateral run and they're in a goal line
type set, when they know you're gonna run the ball
and you choose to try to get to the edge,
it's just not a very physical play. And on that
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obviously Bolton shoots the gap and makes a pretty easy
tackle for several yard loss. Now, if you want to
tell me sneaking cousins, I'm not saying I have the
correct play call, But to me, trying to get to
an edge in a situation like that, it's a softer run.
I don't like it. Now, I'm not gonna crush Atlanta.
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I actually was a hater of them coming into the season.
They're clearly a lot better than I thought, because the
last two weeks it got very physical and they matched it.
And maybe a Falcons fan would say we were physical
last year as our quarterback play, I go, okay, But
there's a big difference of playing in games that don't
matter and playing in some bright light games. Tonight was
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a huge game. After you won last week and they
matched the physicality. The Chiefs to me, are the best
defense in the league, and they've been that way for
a while. Like I said, I think you know them.
And the Vikings have the two best defensive coordinators. I
think a couple of weeks ago I said Flores was
the best DC. Who's not a head coach. Obviously, I
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forgot about Spags and those two guys are elite, and
their defenses dominate and on that given play and really
all night down the stretch. Is there a coordinator right now?
Spags loves the blitz who calls blitzes and hits them
and has guys free coming at the quarterback more often
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than that. I watched a lot of football today. You
see a lot of blitzes that don't even get remotely close.
Yet every time, especially in big spots, when he makes
the you know, the call to bring a backer, to
bring a safety, those guys are altering the quarterback. If
they do not hit him right as he's throwing, they're
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making him move off a spot. The pressure always impacts
the play. And you can't say that about a lot
of defenses because a lot of times they're blitzes, don't work,
they get picked up. It's coming from too far away,
whatever it may be. And we don't talk about this
a lot because it is hard to quantify, but that
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speaks to having really, really intelligent players, speaks to having
a group that has now played together for a long time.
They all speak the same language. This is not a
unit that gets a lot of turnover. They've had the
same guy now for years, so what they do works.
They have the same unity top to bottom and from
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Veach and Andy what they look for on defense. The
type player Spags likes the type players he needs and
it works. So when me and Colin finished and I
go out there and I'm watching the first half, and
a big conversation was where is Travis kelce Is Travis
Kelcey washed? It's like, guys, One, he's an older player now. Two.
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The style in which the Chiefs have played early in
the season is not reflective. Do I think the way
we think about the Chiefs their first two games, Mahomes
attempted twenty eight and twenty five passes. He completed a
total of thirty eight passes. Like they're not throwing the
ball they did tonight, but that's not really the way
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that they play completely different. They are much closer. They're
basically just a better version of what we're seeing with
the Pittsburgh Steelers because they have Patrick Holmes right, but
they want to play defense. They're very, very comfortable playing
a game in the high teens and winning it that way.
They were like that last year, they were like that
two years ago, and they're like that again now. I
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do believe in Rashid Rice. Somehow he avoided the timing
of his Lamborghini incident where he left the scene, and
he's not gonna get in trouble this year. He's a
high end wide receiver. He's really really good Worthy clearly
a work in progress. Had a big game week one tonight,
little miscommunication on the one pass him coming across. He
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sits because's probably like that's what Kelsey does all the time.
He just sits in an open spot. Mahomes thought he
was gonna keep going, and they missed time the play.
Maybe in a year, maybe in seven games, that won't happen,
but early on it's gonna happen. They're relying on Juju
Smith Schuster. They're running back tonight because Pachaco broke his leg.
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Is a guy whose family his sister got married today
on a Sunday. They had had this wedding planned as
of the broadcast for well over a year, so that
means their own family. Even though this guy, I had
to google him. I mean, I'd been hearing about him
early on this season, but I didn't quite know the story.
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Besides that he played at UCLA last year. Well, he's
at ball State two years ago ran for fifteen hundred yards,
So I would imagine when they were planning this wedding,
he was maybe making the transition between Ball State and UCLA.
They choose a date, it never crossed their own family's mind.
And think about this in life. I would say, in
my personal experience, no one believes in me more than me,
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but I would put a very very close second in
my immediate family, especially my parents. So that means his
sister and their parents came up with he's not going
to be playing in the NFL. He's not only playing
in the NFL because he made the defending multiple time
champions made the roster at a training camp two weeks
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into the season because of an injury. He's there starting
running back and leads the team and carries think about that.
That's one of the most incredible stories I've ever seen. Obviously,
it's been fun. We've seen he as the alligator, but
his family scheduled the wedding because they did not believe
that their own son, their own brother, was an NFL player.
That's who the Chiefs should plan with. So their team
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is just dramatically different from I think the way we
not necessarily myself, but just the overall narrative of their squad.
And they're just they're a champion for a reason. They
are elite on defense, They're awesome. They have one of
the best quarterbacks we've ever seen, who actually has been
a little up and down this season. Through an awful
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pick to Justin Simmons in the corner of the end zone.
It was easy. Yeah, I mean Simmons barely even a jump.
It's one of those that if it was an average quarterback,
if that's Daniel Jones or even a car or a Cousins,
we rush him for. But because he's Mahomes and people
often say this like, he doesn't get criticized as much. Well, yeah,
because he doesn't do that shit when it matters. So
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if he does it in mid September, or October, like
what am I supposed to do, like cancel the season?
Of course not because I've seen him in the biggest
spots not make that mistake. But Kelsey two things. They
try to keep him fresh for the end of the season,
and they're just not gonna throw to him like they
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once did. I would imagine if we truly broke him down,
he doesn't get open as much. But because of their
receiving corps and the lack of quote unquote elite threats
on the outside, he gets much more focused these day
and age like to me, when I think about the Chiefs,
or you're slowing them down on offense, obviously, Coral Kelsey
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and try to slow down the run like Andy, a
guy who loves passing, has no problem. He did it
last year with Pajaco and he's doing it again with
Pajaco and Steel. He will run the ball slow down
because he knows his defense can win him games and
he just sees Mahomes not to turn it over. And
that's been a little bit of a bugaboo so far
early in this season. But this team's three and zero,
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I would say they haven't come close to playing like
an A minus game. And their defense, if it stays
relatively healthy, can carry him to twelve thirteen wins pretty easily.
So that was a big win. I also think it
was an impressive loss. Like Cousins has limitations. If you
can pressure him, he can't add lib. That's why we
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were so hard last week on Fangio in that spot.
It's like Vic never blitzes well Vic if you're not
getting pressure. As Jay Gruden told me last week, Kirk
Cousins would be like one of the best seven on
seven quarterbacks in the NFL because he's accurate. If his
feet can be set, he can make all the throws.
But when he has to move, Unlike Mahomes and a
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lot of the other top quarterbacks who are much better athletes,
they can move at live and make all these throws,
Cousins has to operate within that couple yard radius inside
the pocket, and when he can step up, he can
make some nice throws. He did it tonight. When he
has to move, balls are all over the fucking map
and you got problems. It's why his ceiling, even when
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he's on, is never as high as the top guys.
And when he plays the best defenses as he did tonight,
You're like, yeah, he was okay, he's fine. He's clearly
an upgrade from what they've had the last couple of years.
But like, is he good enough to win a super
Bowl with? No? Is he good enough to make the
playoffs with? I would say probably. And I was someone
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I think you could consider me an Atlanta doubter and
Atlanta hater coming into this season. They're better than I thought. Now,
anytime you find yourself in a little bit of a hole,
we know Tampa and New Orleans are by no means
any pushovers. It's not a shoeing thing. But they're gonna
be okay. They're gonna be okay. And I just didn't
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love that play call in that spot, But overall, I
thought they played pretty well. Kyle Pitts showed some life.
Drake London is, obviously, you know, a really good wide receiver.
I love ray Red McLeod miss him on the forty
nine ers and Bijon is I don't know, top five
running back talent in the league. So if I'm a
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Falcons fan, it sucks losing a night on a night
when your owner, How does the owner get inducted into
the Ring of honor. How does that process play out?
The Falcons tweeted, like what a night. It's like, yeah,
he owns the team, puts himself in the ring. Is
because like when I'm dead, I want my name up there.
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I mean, I get it. I mean you can do
whatever you want. You own the team. A little cheesy
to me, but hey, that's part of being a guy
with billions of dollars. You can do whatever the hell
you want. But overall, I think if you're a Falcons fan,
you feel pretty good. But yeah, I mean that just
that play call, man, I like going vertical in short
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yard situations. I get it, you're not gonna run the
tush push, but trying to get to the edges against
the defense that's really fast, against the defense they can penetrate,
feels like a lot more can go wrong than go well.
So big win for the defending champs. They're three and
zero and just find it away in Atlanta. Got to
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dust themselves off. But I think, you know, after pulling
off that comeback last week against the Eagles and playing
the Chiefs as well as they did tonight in a
weird way, you kind of gotta feel good about yourself
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before we get into overrated underrated. I do want to
really quick, because Colin and I talked about it, but
I just spent the last couple hours thinking about this
Niners rams game like cowboys. I know they came back
at the but like you got your ass kicked, Like
you just need to look in the mirror and figure
some shit out. The Niners not only should have won
the game, they should have won the game by like
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twenty points. And they couldn't figure it out. And their
quarterback was incredible, and they were playing a guy. And
I'm not a huge even when I was hard on
Brandon Stay. I'll do it a little easier with coaches,
but I would say in most walks of life, I'm
not a big call for someone's job. Guy. Like, especially
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with players, it is very very difficult to make the NFL,
and guys will get cut. It's inevitable. But like you
gotta do be pretty egregious for me to be like
you need to cut this guy. I remember when like
twenty twenty one and twenty two was going on, and
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I knew so many friends of friends. I was living
in the Barrier at the time that worked for all
these tech companies. They were making hundreds of thousands of dollars,
like new people making four five hundred thousand dollars, and
they were working ten hours a week. Some of these
companies I was invested in, and the stocks were plummeting.
I'm like, this is I'm not calling like these people
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need to be fired, but this is not right. Fucking
girls going to the country club four days a week
casting five hundred thousand dollars doing nothing. What inevitably happened,
they got fired because we live in a production, production
based society, and whether you're in certain industries, in the
private sector or it's the NFL, you have to prove
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that you're producing, and if you're not, you're a liability
and at any moment it could be over. Speaks for myself,
speaks for a lot of people listening. That's the way
the world works. And the forty nine ers rolled out
a guy today named Ronnie Bell who they drafted a
couple of years ago from Michigan, and he dropped multiple
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passes and one that probably would have sealed the game.
And part of the reason he's out there because one
their first rounder got shot on Market Street. Got very
lucky he didn't die on the site, let alone at
the hospital. The doctor said, it's one of the craziest
miracles they've ever seen, probably a two out of one
hundred chants that someone in that situation would be unfazed,
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let alone live. Obviously, Deebo's injured. It happens. You got
to play random guys. And Ray Ray McLoud, who is
a really good, solid role player in the NFL, you
can't afford to keep. He's on the Falcons now, so
they're rolling out this guy Ronnie Bell, who plays wide receiver.
He cannot catch the ball and listen. The forty nine
or special teams coaching has been an embarrassment for the
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majority of Kyle Shanahan's tenure. Kind of been the opposite.
I guess the Rams had a bad special teams last year,
but they've made big special teams moments in the history
of Sean mcvay's tenure. For Kyle, they have had so
many blown coverages, giving up fake punts, multiple miss field goals.
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They missed a big one today. You're not going to
file this special teams coach in the middle of the season.
There's no one else to hire. It is what I'm
not it'd be pointless for me and say that. But
if you cannot catch any play wide receiver, you need
to be cut like you can't dress because if you
can't do a role, whatever your role is, right, If
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I can't cover anybody and I'm on the I'm on
dressing for game day and we have a couple of
injuries in the secondary, I have to play on defense
and if I can't cover, I'm immediately a liability and
I could lose us a game. That's football, and you
only get seventeen of these, so every game matters, and
at the end of the season, it could be the
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difference of getting a wildcard spot, not could be the
difference of winning a division and getting a home game
in the playoffs and playing on the road. These games
have consequences. Losing a game in September is just about
as losing a game in December. They all count the same.
If the forty nine ers are serious, they cut running
all tomorrow. He cannot be on the roster. If you
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want to put him on the practice squad because you
like him, listen, that's fine. I'm not saying the guy
should be out of the NFL. He cannot be wearing
pads on a Sunday and you put him in a
game to run routes and catch balls when he literally
can't catch like that is that's low level football. That's
what shitty teams do, and that's what the forty nine
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ers do today. And that's why the Rams, with a
bunch of guys besides Stafford that you have never heard of,
completed one of the more impressive upsets I've seen in
a while. Obviously, the forty nine Ers have lost a
couple of Super Bowls over the last half decade. You
could make an argument it doesn't get any worse than
losing the Super Bowl. That's the worst regular season loss
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of the Kyle Shanne era. That was That's an embarrassment,
and it's on him when he's rolling out guys that
have no chance to do their role. I'm watching the game.
Maria is a huge Niner fan. The ball that he
dropped at the end of the game, she thought that
he was batting it away. It was that bad. Most
guys go up and high point it even if it
bounce like he like swung his hands forward. It was
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a joke. It really was. Okay, let's do some overrated
underrated Obviously, the forty nine ers pretty overrated right now,
the number one overrated thing in the NFL clearly, And listen,
I hopped on this bandwagon. I picked this team to
win the division. The Dallas Cowboys defense the last two
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weeks looks like a team that's gonna win two or
three games. And I understand the Saints were coming in
like a freight train. The Ravens were zeroing too, and
had looked like shit. Last week. They blew a ten
point lead to the Raiders, who just got blown out
by Andy Dolton. And at one point in time during
the game, You're like, are the Ravens gonna run for
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five hundred yards? And here's the thing with the Cowboys.
They are great front runners. And sometimes that's a very
negative term, like when things are going well, people it's
just in any walk of life, like people are happy.
When things are going bad, people go into the tank.
Some teams are just built. When I'm leading the game,
my defense, which is not some run stuffing defense. They're
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good at pass rushing and we got dbs in theory
that can cover. So I'm much better when I have
a ten point lead in the second half because my
defense can play to their strengths. My best player on
defense is a pass rusher. He's not a run stuffer. Well,
when you just run at Micah Parsons, he's not exactly
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helloadig Nada. So when you get up on the Cowboys
and can lean on them, it negates their strength because
they don't get to play the pass. They got to
stop the run. And we've seen two weeks in a
row teams just lean on them and they look small
and they got shoved around. I told this to Colin
earlier today. The final score of that game does not
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reflect what we witness, not even close. That's one of
the facus scores of the season. That was an ass kicking.
Cowboys got an onside kick. It was not close at all.
They got demolished in that game. That game was over,
when it was twenty eight to six, you might go, oh,
twenty twenty five, well great, you got your ass kicked.
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And the Cowboys now play the Giants on Thursday Night football,
which I don't know borderline their season. What are they
gonna start one to three income storm and back, no chance,
So you can't be the Giants on a short week.
It's on the road, tough sneaky, tough game. Giants actually
looked pretty good, but Cowboys defense just looks a troch
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to talk about overrated underrated. You know, I listened to
the discourse last week about Bryce Young and a lot
of former players, and you know, people on television like
the melk Hipers of the world that thought the world
of Bryce Young, and full disclosure, I was pro Bryce Young.
I would have taken him as well over CJ. Stroud.
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So I'm not playing Monday Morning quarterback when I say
they made the wrong pick, because I, like many people
around the NFL, would have done the same thing. But
then we watched the guy play with several different coaches
and several different pieces an independent of his organization, he
was atrocious. Like, despite your owner and despite your play calling,
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there are gonna be plays when you're just sitting there
in the pocket and there is a guy wide open,
and that has nothing to do with the dysfunction in
the organization. Either making the pass or you're not. And
Bryce was just consistently not even coming remotely close to
making the past. And then Andy Dalton comes in, a
guy who, let's face it, most people make fun of.
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He looked like Joe fucking Montana Today. I get he's
playing the Raiders, who, as Antonio Pierce said after the game,
felt like a lot of guys on his own team quit.
So Andy Dalton and that offense which has been putrid.
As rich Gannon said last week on NFL Radio when
I was driving around, they had not had a lead
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during the actual regulation of a game for ten straight weeks,
dating back to last season. The two games they had
won over that stretch were on last second field goals.
They just never been up seven to nothing or ten
to seven at any point in a game over the
last ten weeks, and today they came out. He's the
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first quarterback this season to throw for three hundred yards
and throw three touchdowns. He had three touchdowns in the
first half. You know why, he just looked like a
normal NFL player. And you know, an underrated part about
the NFL is having a capable backup because most times
your backup is going to be a former starter and
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a guy that's easy to make fun of. But if
that guy gets inserted, can you win with him? Because
how many good teams around the NFL wish Andy Dalton
was their backup because ultimately, with the Panthers. It doesn't
really matter. They're clearly not gonna go to the playoffs
with Andy Dalton. But if you were the Chiefs, if
you were the Bills, if you were one of these
teams in your court, like Mahomes, if he had that
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play where he tried to kneel it and his knee
kind of got bent. Funny, what if he just had
to miss a couple weeks? Could they win with Carson Wentz.
I think we'd say yeah because of the defense and Andy,
But what if Carson's is terrible? Like one thing I
know about Andy Dalton is like he could just play
in the NFL and when he's on, he's not bad.
And today obviously he was really good, But I do
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think that was more a reflection of like, Andy Dalton
today is light years better than Bryce Show. And I
think he's a guy that's easy for everyone to make
fun of, and it's almost feels a little unfair. Overrated.
This guy's the most overrated coach in the NFL by
a mile. He has a huge media contingent behind him.
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He wears designer clothes, he's got a fifty K watch on,
and he wears Caprice. He's yet to win a big
game in his NFL career, and now because Tua as
a concussion has gone for who knows how long, has
to play with random quarterbacks and his team looks like shit.
If Tua is not able to come back this year,
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Miami is liable to lose every single game they play,
and that includes any game they play against the Patriots.
Because Mike McDaniel, who some genius one, he wasn't winning
big games when he had Tua. They started nine to
three last year because they played great in the sun.
The moment it gets cold, they imploded, and now they're
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imploding again. And I didn't like him as a playoff
team this year with Tua looked pretty on point before
Tua got concussed again. Obviously, there can't be a soul
that likes him now when they're rolling out random quarterbacks
name Skyler Thompson and Tim Boyle underrated. I said this
before the draft, partly because I was just hearing this
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around the NFL is there were countless teams in the NFL,
and most of them had no access to either of
these two players, so it didn't necessarily matter. But you
still rank your draft board that had Malik Neighbors over
Marvin Harrison. Now it's not a criticism of Marvin Harrison.
Just like there were teams with Julio Jones and AJ Green,
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you got to rank the two of them like you
can't have both guys number one. I do think Malik
Neighbors has a chance to be a superstar. I mean today,
his touchdown in the corner of the end zone where
he drags his feet, his athleticism, his explosiveness, his ability
to jump the dude is a freak show. And these
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last two weeks, holy shit. Hold on to your ass.
Who knows how it's going to go throughout the season. Ultimately,
as quarterbacks, Daniel Jones and at any moment can throw
three interceptions and have two fumbles in a game. But
if Dander Jones just solid and can get that young
kid the ball, hold on to your ass if you're
a defense. I had the volume on for a minute
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of that game today, the Giants and the Browns, and
the one thing the broadcast kept saying is Jim Schwartz
told us in the meetings, this guy's got a chance
to be special. And I don't think he's just saying
that he knows you see him on tape like this
guy is a baller overrated when things are easy, solid players,
like when your defense and your running game is kicking ass.
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It can make kind of a mid level quarterback look
like a star if he has to throw for less
than fifteen passing attempts and half of them are just
kind of layups. Today, in a huge spot, down three
points against a team that's defense was playing awesome, Derek
Carr through one of the worst interceptions you'll see so
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far through through three weeks. You don't need a touchdown,
you don't need a huge explosive play there. The only
thing you cannot do is throw that pass. And Derek
has just had so many of these throughout his career
where it's like, what are you doing, man, what are
you doing? Throw the ball into the ground, take a sack.
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You cannot make that pass, and everyone and listen. I
like Derek. I root for Derek and the Saints. Obviously,
I have some money on them to make the playoffs,
to win the division. That play cannot happen. And it's
plays like that that make me go my divisional BET's
going to be a little more difficult to hit than
I thought. Because not everything's gonna be as easy as
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the first two weeks. You're gonna be in some of
these tai games against high level defenses you cannot make.
I mean, that's a bottom ten quarterback type decision. It's
just that's low level ball and embarrassing for a guy
that's been in the league a decade making the money
he's making to even just make that decision. It's just
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it's I'm at a loss for words when the ball
left his hands because it was just so dumb. It
did not need to happen, and it's won rookie quarterbacks whatever.
A guy with that much experience just pissed me off.
I had the Saints as well underrated. Speaking of that game,
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Saquon Barkley is a badass. And we can debate whether
you should take running backs high or not. When you
do take them high, there better be no debate about
their ability. They may get hurt. Obviously, you come to
a line where how much are they worth? But if
you are gonna pull the trigger on a guy in
the top ten, especially at two overall, she'd be like, yeah,
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this guy's a total package. See, it would be John
Robinson really high pick No. One debates freak show. Remember
Christian McCaffrey was drafted eight. No debate freak show. Saquon
Barkley today, who has battled injuries and for the majority
of his career played on a shitty team, I mean
really bad. Two years ago they were solid, best year
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that he ever had with the Giants. They won nine games,
and for most of that his offensive line was atrocious.
Now he has a good offensive line with weapons around him,
and you're seeing the dude shine. And to me, the
coolest part, like to be a great running back, the
last an unnecessary attribute, like you do not need this
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to be a great running back. Breakaway high end speed,
you do not need it. There's been a small select
guys that have truly had it right Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson.
Saquon is one of those guys. When he gets in
the open field, he looks like a Ferrari And today
you saw that speed on basically the game winning touchdown,
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which was the deciding factor in the game because the
Eagles were in major trouble. And Saquan said, remember that
twenty seven million dollars guaranteed you gave me. Remember all
those dudes, guards and centers getting forty fifty million dollars
in free aging. I got twenty seven million dollars. And
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every time so far this season we've left the field
at the end of the game, you went, yeah, it
might be the best player on the field. How about
them apples? Overrated? The hype on Caleb Williams reminds me
of Trevor Lawrence. It's so strong and we've been hearing
it for so long that the expectations get out of whack.
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You expect to turn on their games. This happened to Lawrence,
that here with Urban Meyer, and it's happening right now
with eber Flus and the Bears. Multiple touchdowns, just guys
slicing and dicing the defense. You turn on the game
and you go, is this guy good? That's the first
thing you think to yourself. Is this guy a good player?
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It's crazy how off we are right now on the
hype of this player and what this player actually is
now the difference, even if he has a terrible season,
he has physical attributes that Bryce Young does not possess.
Arm strength, his body type, his athleticism. So I don't
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care how shitty this year ends up being just say
worst case scenario, it doesn't get better. A lot more
to work with there, but we all have to agree
the start of the season. We can blame whoever we want.
Virginia McCaskey, who's one hundred and seven years old, eber
Fleus with his haircut and his beard, Shane Waldrin, the
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offensive coordinator, the shitty old line. There are plays independent
of all those people, all those variables that he is
not making, and honestly, they're not that close. Like when
a guy is open and no one's around you fifteen
twenty thirty yards down the field, when you are that
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hyped up, when you're the number one pick and we've
seen you do it in college, people expect you to
make the pass and then it flies seven yards over
the guy's head. We're all sitting on our couch going,
what the fuck is this? Like, we're all thinking it.
So I'm not acting like this guy's career is over. Obviously,
everyone's gonna blame everyone else except him, but we have
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to admit, so far, there's probably not a more overrated
player in the league, which is unfair because he had
never even played in the league, But just based on hype,
it's not even close. Underrated. Colin and I talked about this,
talked about it last week. Lafleor, I mean everyone for
two years, like Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel. It's like, yeah, guys,
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we get it. Funny glasses, funny pants. I'll bet against
that guy every time in a big game. Yet. Lafleur,
who's been to the playoffs twice with Rogers, a game
with Jordan Love three times, won a playoff game last
year on the road with Jordan Love and had the
forty nine ers on the ropes. Just went back to
back games with Malik Willis. I love Kevin O'Connell. Seems
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like a really impressive guy. I've never met him personally, obviously,
what he's doing with Sam Darnold speaks for itself. Been
in the playoffs one time at home and lost to
the Giants, pretty sure. Oh yeah, Daniel Jones was the
quarterback to beat him. So it's like, listen, love Kevin
O'Connell a lot. We'll see him win a big game
and then we can put him in that class with
some of these other guys. I've seen la Floor win
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playoff games. I know he's lost a few two but
been there a lot. And now he's winning games with
Jordan Love who was a nobody thirty three touchdowns last
year playoff win on the road, almost won another playoff
game on the road. Now he's winning games with Malik
Willis on the road. I think we need to put
a little respect on O Lafleur's name. Overrated college. Do
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you know that the University of Michigan since Jim Harbaugh
became the coach back in twenty fourteen is six and
zero win Their quarterback passes for less than one hundred
yards in a day and age. When we love the pass,
and trust me, I love the pass. You love the
past passes fun Michigan because of their style and how
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they dominated on defense and how well they run the ball.
We saw them do it last year when they basically
refused to pass an entire half against the top fifteen
team in Penn State and won the game. And they
beat USC or their quarterback I'm pretty sure through for
like thirty five yards and they did not have a
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passing It didn't exist. They had to go ninety yards
to win the game and they couldn't pass, and they
did it. So listen I'm not trying to anoint Michigan.
You're obviously not gonna beat Ohio State. I don't even
think it could beat Penn State by not passing the ball.
But that was an impressive win. And again six and
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zero in the Harbaugh era, which counts sheron more right
now when they've passed for under one hundred yards. Last
but not least underrated. I was mainly listening to the
forty nine ers RAMS broadcast with Sanchez and Krugler, Kugler, Krugler,
(42:34):
whoever the playboy play guy is, He's good, Sanchez gonna
be a little goofy, but he's fine. But I would
go back and forth because I was like, I just
want to hear tom Brady and I saw last week.
I didn't listen to the Tom Brady game last week,
and I heard he's he improved a lot. And I'm
not just trying to shit on Tom Brady to do this,
Like I'm a Tom Brady fan, have been for twenty
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plus years. Myer everything, he stands for, wark ethic playing,
all that stuff. But I do view my broadcasters as entertainment. Collinsworth,
he's an entertainer. Gruden went from zero to one hundred
and fifty subscribers on YouTube. Why he's entertaining. He knows
how to play the game, that's all this is. And
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I listen to probably I don't know a decent chunk
today of Brady. Obviously he sounds better than week one
because he's not pausing all the time, but I don't
really know what he's bringing to the table. Right Besides,
I'm Tom Brady because he's not super entertaining. He's not
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like mister goofy Romo. He's not some huge personality behind
the mic like Collinsworth or Gruden was, And it's just
like nerdy football. That's not really what people are looking
for in these broadcasts. I'm just coming to hang. I'm
coming to hang with Tom freaking Brady for three hours.
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Let's just watch some ball, you throw some stories out,
let me hear some stuff, and listen. I'll be the
first to admit obviously trying anything at that level three
games in, I'm not expecting him to be a finished product.
But I'm just trying to map this out where it's
gonna go. And I go like, what's gonna be his thing?
Because I don't think we're getting ever collins Worth or
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Gruden kind of the fun, crazy, goofy guy. Obviously Madden
was the best at that, and his personality isn't really
romo and he's not ever gonna be like Akman asshole
blasting people, which is my personal favorite. I don't know,
I just I don't really see it. Now. I understand
from a value standpoint, having Tom part of your company advertisers,
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I'm not one of these moronic media people that just
hate everything business like you're not worth that, like he
might be. We're double that to them. But I'm just
talking about from an entertainment standpoint. Sitting there watching the game,
it pains me to say this. I just think he's
pretty bad. He's pretty bad. Just meh, there's just nothing there.
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If it wasn't Tom Brady and just former player X,
you wouldn't even note it. You'd be like nothing would
stand out, which again a little like Caleb. The hype.
He's got his own commercial, not for like Tom all
State or Dell Computers or Samsung TVs. They literally made
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him a commercial about him becoming a broadcaster. So the hype,
like Caleb, like Trevor Lawrence, just it couldn't be any
higher and you're watching you go, let's be real, I
don't know again. Pains me to say this kind of sucks.
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to be alive, especially if you're a Chiefs fan, because
you won the Super Bowl again and now you're three
and oh, you take down the Falcons in a very
entertaining game Atlanta. I would say, you know, BN O
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and three would have been a disaster, So I don't
want to say save their season. It's only September twenty second,
but that win against the Eagles was huge Tonight would
have been massive had their opportunities. I got to talk
about that fourth down call. I just not pretending to
be Mike Shanahan here, but I think we've all watched
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play call. And we'll just talk about some other moments
in the game, some big picture topics with both teams.
Something really quick on the forty nine ers. We do
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like you get your own game, standalone game. I don't.
I just I like standalone Monday night games. Especially these
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was really fun both those two teams. And one thing
we've learned about Atlanta is they're a really physical team.
They are really good on defense. I've been really impressed,
and clearly the Chiefs have one of the best things
going right now because they're defense. They're a defensive team.
That's what they are. The days of scoring fifty points
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throwing for four hundred and fifty yards, it's not gonna happen,
and they don't care. They are very, very comfortable playing
in that game. So when the Falcons are driving, really
they had two drives to take the lead, And I'm
glad because a conversation a narrative, fair or not. Listen,
I'm biased. I'm not phased when the Chiefs get the calls,
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but I understand being on the other end of it.
It feels like the other team is constantly getting screwed.
And Kyle Pitts, who you know, should have been called
on the pass on third down for a pass interference,
it's not called. Next place, bags dows up a great blitz,
turn the ball over, then they get the ball back
and they get a makeup call. It happens all the
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time in the NBA, and it happened tonight in the NFL.
And then they got a couple other calls. So I
do not want to hear about the refs were in
the bag for the Chiefs because they blew it. They
missed the call on Pits, which should have been called
by the letter of the law, even though that play,
that call like doesn't bother me in most situations, but
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I get it standalone game Sunday night didn't get called.
I think it's fair for people to be like, oh
this ps then the Falcons got the ball back with
more than enough time and timeouts and got several calls
a horse caller a PI that was not PI because
the defender gets a spot to own the ground too
when Ray Reid runs into him, and it came down
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to a fourth in inches and in my personal opinion
on a fourth inches play, I don't love lateral runs.
And in theory, the Falcons are a very good running
team because Bijon Robinson is easily one of the most
talented backs in the league. But on a lateral run
in a zone running scheme, it is going to open
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holes for the linebacker, especially when the defense is in
like a goal line set so to get the edge,
especially on a defense, I would say this about the Chiefs.
I don't think there is a defense in the league
one through eleven who's as good, who's as well coached,
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whose players are as smart and top to bottom as
physical as the Chiefs. We'll see what the Steelers. Obviously
they're really good this year on defense. The Falcons are
solid on defense too. I don't think their d line
is as good as the Chiefs. But every guy on
Kansas City plays downhill, will tackle, will throw their body around,
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which is obviously rare. I would say more than half
the NFL has holes on defense when it comes to physicality.
That ain't an issue with the Chiefs. So when you
run a lateral run and they're in a goal line
type set, when they know you're gonna run the ball
and you choose to try to get to the edge,
it's just not a very physical play. And on that
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obviously Bolton shoots the gap and makes a pretty easy
tackle for several yard loss. Now, if you want to
tell me sneaking cousins, I'm not saying I have the
correct play call, But to me, trying to get to
an edge in a situation like that, it's a softer run.
I don't like it. Now, I'm not gonna crush Atlanta.
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I actually was a hater of them coming into the season.
They're clearly a lot better than I thought, because the
last two weeks it got very physical and they matched it.
And maybe a Falcons fan would say we were physical
last year as our quarterback play, I go, okay, But
there's a big difference of playing in games that don't
matter and playing in some bright light games. Tonight was
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a huge game. After you won last week and they
matched the physicality. The Chiefs to me, are the best
defense in the league, and they've been that way for
a while. Like I said, I think you know them.
And the Vikings have the two best defensive coordinators. I
think a couple of weeks ago I said Flores was
the best DC. Who's not a head coach. Obviously, I
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forgot about Spags and those two guys are elite, and
their defenses dominate and on that given play and really
all night down the stretch. Is there a coordinator right now?
Spags loves the blitz who calls blitzes and hits them
and has guys free coming at the quarterback more often
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than that. I watched a lot of football today. You
see a lot of blitzes that don't even get remotely close.
Yet every time, especially in big spots, when he makes
the you know, the call to bring a backer, to
bring a safety, those guys are altering the quarterback. If
they do not hit him right as he's throwing, they're
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making him move off a spot. The pressure always impacts
the play. And you can't say that about a lot
of defenses because a lot of times they're blitzes, don't work,
they get picked up. It's coming from too far away,
whatever it may be. And we don't talk about this
a lot because it is hard to quantify, but that
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speaks to having really, really intelligent players, speaks to having
a group that has now played together for a long time.
They all speak the same language. This is not a
unit that gets a lot of turnover. They've had the
same guy now for years, so what they do works.
They have the same unity top to bottom and from
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Veach and Andy what they look for on defense. The
type player Spags likes the type players he needs and
it works. So when me and Colin finished and I
go out there and I'm watching the first half, and
a big conversation was where is Travis kelce Is Travis
Kelcey washed? It's like, guys, One, he's an older player now. Two.
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The style in which the Chiefs have played early in
the season is not reflective. Do I think the way
we think about the Chiefs their first two games, Mahomes
attempted twenty eight and twenty five passes. He completed a
total of thirty eight passes. Like they're not throwing the
ball they did tonight, but that's not really the way
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that they play completely different. They are much closer. They're
basically just a better version of what we're seeing with
the Pittsburgh Steelers because they have Patrick Holmes right, but
they want to play defense. They're very, very comfortable playing
a game in the high teens and winning it that way.
They were like that last year, they were like that
two years ago, and they're like that again now. I
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do believe in Rashid Rice. Somehow he avoided the timing
of his Lamborghini incident where he left the scene, and
he's not gonna get in trouble this year. He's a
high end wide receiver. He's really really good Worthy clearly
a work in progress. Had a big game week one tonight,
little miscommunication on the one pass him coming across. He
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sits because's probably like that's what Kelsey does all the time.
He just sits in an open spot. Mahomes thought he
was gonna keep going, and they missed time the play.
Maybe in a year, maybe in seven games, that won't happen,
but early on it's gonna happen. They're relying on Juju
Smith Schuster. They're running back tonight because Pachaco broke his leg.
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Is a guy whose family his sister got married today
on a Sunday. They had had this wedding planned as
of the broadcast for well over a year, so that
means their own family. Even though this guy, I had
to google him. I mean, I'd been hearing about him
early on this season, but I didn't quite know the story.
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Besides that he played at UCLA last year. Well, he's
at ball State two years ago ran for fifteen hundred yards,
So I would imagine when they were planning this wedding,
he was maybe making the transition between Ball State and UCLA.
They choose a date, it never crossed their own family's mind.
And think about this in life. I would say, in
my personal experience, no one believes in me more than me,
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but I would put a very very close second in
my immediate family, especially my parents. So that means his
sister and their parents came up with he's not going
to be playing in the NFL. He's not only playing
in the NFL because he made the defending multiple time
champions made the roster at a training camp two weeks
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into the season because of an injury. He's there starting
running back and leads the team and carries think about that.
That's one of the most incredible stories I've ever seen. Obviously,
it's been fun. We've seen he as the alligator, but
his family scheduled the wedding because they did not believe
that their own son, their own brother, was an NFL player.
That's who the Chiefs should plan with. So their team
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is just dramatically different from I think the way we
not necessarily myself, but just the overall narrative of their squad.
And they're just they're a champion for a reason. They
are elite on defense, They're awesome. They have one of
the best quarterbacks we've ever seen, who actually has been
a little up and down this season. Through an awful
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pick to Justin Simmons in the corner of the end zone.
It was easy. Yeah, I mean Simmons barely even a jump.
It's one of those that if it was an average quarterback,
if that's Daniel Jones or even a car or a Cousins,
we rush him for. But because he's Mahomes and people
often say this like, he doesn't get criticized as much. Well, yeah,
because he doesn't do that shit when it matters. So
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if he does it in mid September, or October, like
what am I supposed to do, like cancel the season?
Of course not because I've seen him in the biggest
spots not make that mistake. But Kelsey two things. They
try to keep him fresh for the end of the season,
and they're just not gonna throw to him like they
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once did. I would imagine if we truly broke him down,
he doesn't get open as much. But because of their
receiving corps and the lack of quote unquote elite threats
on the outside, he gets much more focused these day
and age like to me, when I think about the Chiefs,
or you're slowing them down on offense, obviously, Coral Kelsey
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and try to slow down the run like Andy, a
guy who loves passing, has no problem. He did it
last year with Pajaco and he's doing it again with
Pajaco and Steel. He will run the ball slow down
because he knows his defense can win him games and
he just sees Mahomes not to turn it over. And
that's been a little bit of a bugaboo so far
early in this season. But this team's three and zero,
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I would say they haven't come close to playing like
an A minus game. And their defense, if it stays
relatively healthy, can carry him to twelve thirteen wins pretty easily.
So that was a big win. I also think it
was an impressive loss. Like Cousins has limitations. If you
can pressure him, he can't add lib. That's why we
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were so hard last week on Fangio in that spot.
It's like Vic never blitzes well Vic if you're not
getting pressure. As Jay Gruden told me last week, Kirk
Cousins would be like one of the best seven on
seven quarterbacks in the NFL because he's accurate. If his
feet can be set, he can make all the throws.
But when he has to move, Unlike Mahomes and a
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lot of the other top quarterbacks who are much better athletes,
they can move at live and make all these throws,
Cousins has to operate within that couple yard radius inside
the pocket, and when he can step up, he can
make some nice throws. He did it tonight. When he
has to move, balls are all over the fucking map
and you got problems. It's why his ceiling, even when
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he's on, is never as high as the top guys.
And when he plays the best defenses as he did tonight,
You're like, yeah, he was okay, he's fine. He's clearly
an upgrade from what they've had the last couple of years.
But like, is he good enough to win a super
Bowl with? No? Is he good enough to make the
playoffs with? I would say probably. And I was someone
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I think you could consider me an Atlanta doubter and
Atlanta hater coming into this season. They're better than I thought. Now,
anytime you find yourself in a little bit of a hole,
we know Tampa and New Orleans are by no means
any pushovers. It's not a shoeing thing. But they're gonna
be okay. They're gonna be okay. And I just didn't
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love that play call in that spot, But overall, I
thought they played pretty well. Kyle Pitts showed some life.
Drake London is, obviously, you know, a really good wide receiver.
I love ray Red McLeod miss him on the forty
nine ers and Bijon is I don't know, top five
running back talent in the league. So if I'm a
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Falcons fan, it sucks losing a night on a night
when your owner, How does the owner get inducted into
the Ring of honor. How does that process play out?
The Falcons tweeted, like what a night. It's like, yeah,
he owns the team, puts himself in the ring. Is
because like when I'm dead, I want my name up there.
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I mean, I get it. I mean you can do
whatever you want. You own the team. A little cheesy
to me, but hey, that's part of being a guy
with billions of dollars. You can do whatever the hell
you want. But overall, I think if you're a Falcons fan,
you feel pretty good. But yeah, I mean that just
that play call, man, I like going vertical in short
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yard situations. I get it, you're not gonna run the
tush push, but trying to get to the edges against
the defense that's really fast, against the defense they can penetrate,
feels like a lot more can go wrong than go well.
So big win for the defending champs. They're three and
zero and just find it away in Atlanta. Got to
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dust themselves off. But I think, you know, after pulling
off that comeback last week against the Eagles and playing
the Chiefs as well as they did tonight in a
weird way, you kind of gotta feel good about yourself
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before we get into overrated underrated. I do want to
really quick, because Colin and I talked about it, but
I just spent the last couple hours thinking about this
Niners rams game like cowboys. I know they came back
at the but like you got your ass kicked, Like
you just need to look in the mirror and figure
some shit out. The Niners not only should have won
the game, they should have won the game by like
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twenty points. And they couldn't figure it out. And their
quarterback was incredible, and they were playing a guy. And
I'm not a huge even when I was hard on
Brandon Stay. I'll do it a little easier with coaches,
but I would say in most walks of life, I'm
not a big call for someone's job. Guy. Like, especially
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with players, it is very very difficult to make the NFL,
and guys will get cut. It's inevitable. But like you
gotta do be pretty egregious for me to be like
you need to cut this guy. I remember when like
twenty twenty one and twenty two was going on, and
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I knew so many friends of friends. I was living
in the Barrier at the time that worked for all
these tech companies. They were making hundreds of thousands of dollars,
like new people making four five hundred thousand dollars, and
they were working ten hours a week. Some of these
companies I was invested in, and the stocks were plummeting.
I'm like, this is I'm not calling like these people
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need to be fired, but this is not right. Fucking
girls going to the country club four days a week
casting five hundred thousand dollars doing nothing. What inevitably happened,
they got fired because we live in a production, production
based society, and whether you're in certain industries, in the
private sector or it's the NFL, you have to prove
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that you're producing, and if you're not, you're a liability
and at any moment it could be over. Speaks for myself,
speaks for a lot of people listening. That's the way
the world works. And the forty nine ers rolled out
a guy today named Ronnie Bell who they drafted a
couple of years ago from Michigan, and he dropped multiple
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passes and one that probably would have sealed the game.
And part of the reason he's out there because one
their first rounder got shot on Market Street. Got very
lucky he didn't die on the site, let alone at
the hospital. The doctor said, it's one of the craziest
miracles they've ever seen, probably a two out of one
hundred chants that someone in that situation would be unfazed,
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let alone live. Obviously, Deebo's injured. It happens. You got
to play random guys. And Ray Ray McLoud, who is
a really good, solid role player in the NFL, you
can't afford to keep. He's on the Falcons now, so
they're rolling out this guy Ronnie Bell, who plays wide receiver.
He cannot catch the ball and listen. The forty nine
or special teams coaching has been an embarrassment for the
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majority of Kyle Shanahan's tenure. Kind of been the opposite.
I guess the Rams had a bad special teams last year,
but they've made big special teams moments in the history
of Sean mcvay's tenure. For Kyle, they have had so
many blown coverages, giving up fake punts, multiple miss field goals.
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They missed a big one today. You're not going to
file this special teams coach in the middle of the season.
There's no one else to hire. It is what I'm
not it'd be pointless for me and say that. But
if you cannot catch any play wide receiver, you need
to be cut like you can't dress because if you
can't do a role, whatever your role is, right, If
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I can't cover anybody and I'm on the I'm on
dressing for game day and we have a couple of
injuries in the secondary, I have to play on defense
and if I can't cover, I'm immediately a liability and
I could lose us a game. That's football, and you
only get seventeen of these, so every game matters, and
at the end of the season, it could be the
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difference of getting a wildcard spot, not could be the
difference of winning a division and getting a home game
in the playoffs and playing on the road. These games
have consequences. Losing a game in September is just about
as losing a game in December. They all count the same.
If the forty nine ers are serious, they cut running
all tomorrow. He cannot be on the roster. If you
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want to put him on the practice squad because you
like him, listen, that's fine. I'm not saying the guy
should be out of the NFL. He cannot be wearing
pads on a Sunday and you put him in a
game to run routes and catch balls when he literally
can't catch like that is that's low level football. That's
what shitty teams do, and that's what the forty nine
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ers do today. And that's why the Rams, with a
bunch of guys besides Stafford that you have never heard of,
completed one of the more impressive upsets I've seen in
a while. Obviously, the forty nine Ers have lost a
couple of Super Bowls over the last half decade. You
could make an argument it doesn't get any worse than
losing the Super Bowl. That's the worst regular season loss
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of the Kyle Shanne era. That was That's an embarrassment,
and it's on him when he's rolling out guys that
have no chance to do their role. I'm watching the game.
Maria is a huge Niner fan. The ball that he
dropped at the end of the game, she thought that
he was batting it away. It was that bad. Most
guys go up and high point it even if it
bounce like he like swung his hands forward. It was
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a joke. It really was. Okay, let's do some overrated
underrated Obviously, the forty nine ers pretty overrated right now,
the number one overrated thing in the NFL clearly, And listen,
I hopped on this bandwagon. I picked this team to
win the division. The Dallas Cowboys defense the last two
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weeks looks like a team that's gonna win two or
three games. And I understand the Saints were coming in
like a freight train. The Ravens were zeroing too, and
had looked like shit. Last week. They blew a ten
point lead to the Raiders, who just got blown out
by Andy Dolton. And at one point in time during
the game, You're like, are the Ravens gonna run for
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five hundred yards? And here's the thing with the Cowboys.
They are great front runners. And sometimes that's a very
negative term, like when things are going well, people it's
just in any walk of life, like people are happy.
When things are going bad, people go into the tank.
Some teams are just built. When I'm leading the game,
my defense, which is not some run stuffing defense. They're
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good at pass rushing and we got dbs in theory
that can cover. So I'm much better when I have
a ten point lead in the second half because my
defense can play to their strengths. My best player on
defense is a pass rusher. He's not a run stuffer. Well,
when you just run at Micah Parsons, he's not exactly
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helloadig Nada. So when you get up on the Cowboys
and can lean on them, it negates their strength because
they don't get to play the pass. They got to
stop the run. And we've seen two weeks in a
row teams just lean on them and they look small
and they got shoved around. I told this to Colin
earlier today. The final score of that game does not
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reflect what we witness, not even close. That's one of
the facus scores of the season. That was an ass kicking.
Cowboys got an onside kick. It was not close at all.
They got demolished in that game. That game was over,
when it was twenty eight to six, you might go, oh,
twenty twenty five, well great, you got your ass kicked.
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And the Cowboys now play the Giants on Thursday Night football,
which I don't know borderline their season. What are they
gonna start one to three income storm and back, no chance,
So you can't be the Giants on a short week.
It's on the road, tough sneaky, tough game. Giants actually
looked pretty good, but Cowboys defense just looks a troch
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to talk about overrated underrated. You know, I listened to
the discourse last week about Bryce Young and a lot
of former players, and you know, people on television like
the melk Hipers of the world that thought the world
of Bryce Young, and full disclosure, I was pro Bryce Young.
I would have taken him as well over CJ. Stroud.
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So I'm not playing Monday Morning quarterback when I say
they made the wrong pick, because I, like many people
around the NFL, would have done the same thing. But
then we watched the guy play with several different coaches
and several different pieces an independent of his organization, he
was atrocious. Like, despite your owner and despite your play calling,
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there are gonna be plays when you're just sitting there
in the pocket and there is a guy wide open,
and that has nothing to do with the dysfunction in
the organization. Either making the pass or you're not. And
Bryce was just consistently not even coming remotely close to
making the past. And then Andy Dalton comes in, a
guy who, let's face it, most people make fun of.
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He looked like Joe fucking Montana Today. I get he's
playing the Raiders, who, as Antonio Pierce said after the game,
felt like a lot of guys on his own team quit.
So Andy Dalton and that offense which has been putrid.
As rich Gannon said last week on NFL Radio when
I was driving around, they had not had a lead
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during the actual regulation of a game for ten straight weeks,
dating back to last season. The two games they had
won over that stretch were on last second field goals.
They just never been up seven to nothing or ten
to seven at any point in a game over the
last ten weeks, and today they came out. He's the
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first quarterback this season to throw for three hundred yards
and throw three touchdowns. He had three touchdowns in the
first half. You know why, he just looked like a
normal NFL player. And you know, an underrated part about
the NFL is having a capable backup because most times
your backup is going to be a former starter and
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a guy that's easy to make fun of. But if
that guy gets inserted, can you win with him? Because
how many good teams around the NFL wish Andy Dalton
was their backup because ultimately, with the Panthers. It doesn't
really matter. They're clearly not gonna go to the playoffs
with Andy Dalton. But if you were the Chiefs, if
you were the Bills, if you were one of these
teams in your court, like Mahomes, if he had that
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play where he tried to kneel it and his knee
kind of got bent. Funny, what if he just had
to miss a couple weeks? Could they win with Carson Wentz.
I think we'd say yeah because of the defense and Andy,
But what if Carson's is terrible? Like one thing I
know about Andy Dalton is like he could just play
in the NFL and when he's on, he's not bad.
And today obviously he was really good, But I do
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think that was more a reflection of like, Andy Dalton
today is light years better than Bryce Show. And I
think he's a guy that's easy for everyone to make
fun of, and it's almost feels a little unfair. Overrated.
This guy's the most overrated coach in the NFL by
a mile. He has a huge media contingent behind him.
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He wears designer clothes, he's got a fifty K watch on,
and he wears Caprice. He's yet to win a big
game in his NFL career, and now because Tua as
a concussion has gone for who knows how long, has
to play with random quarterbacks and his team looks like shit.
If Tua is not able to come back this year,
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Miami is liable to lose every single game they play,
and that includes any game they play against the Patriots.
Because Mike McDaniel, who some genius one, he wasn't winning
big games when he had Tua. They started nine to
three last year because they played great in the sun.
The moment it gets cold, they imploded, and now they're
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imploding again. And I didn't like him as a playoff
team this year with Tua looked pretty on point before
Tua got concussed again. Obviously, there can't be a soul
that likes him now when they're rolling out random quarterbacks
name Skyler Thompson and Tim Boyle underrated. I said this
before the draft, partly because I was just hearing this
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around the NFL is there were countless teams in the NFL,
and most of them had no access to either of
these two players, so it didn't necessarily matter. But you
still rank your draft board that had Malik Neighbors over
Marvin Harrison. Now it's not a criticism of Marvin Harrison.
Just like there were teams with Julio Jones and AJ Green,
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you got to rank the two of them like you
can't have both guys number one. I do think Malik
Neighbors has a chance to be a superstar. I mean today,
his touchdown in the corner of the end zone where
he drags his feet, his athleticism, his explosiveness, his ability
to jump the dude is a freak show. And these
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last two weeks, holy shit. Hold on to your ass.
Who knows how it's going to go throughout the season. Ultimately,
as quarterbacks, Daniel Jones and at any moment can throw
three interceptions and have two fumbles in a game. But
if Dander Jones just solid and can get that young
kid the ball, hold on to your ass if you're
a defense. I had the volume on for a minute
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of that game today, the Giants and the Browns, and
the one thing the broadcast kept saying is Jim Schwartz
told us in the meetings, this guy's got a chance
to be special. And I don't think he's just saying
that he knows you see him on tape like this
guy is a baller overrated when things are easy, solid players,
like when your defense and your running game is kicking ass.
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It can make kind of a mid level quarterback look
like a star if he has to throw for less
than fifteen passing attempts and half of them are just
kind of layups. Today, in a huge spot, down three
points against a team that's defense was playing awesome, Derek
Carr through one of the worst interceptions you'll see so
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far through through three weeks. You don't need a touchdown,
you don't need a huge explosive play there. The only
thing you cannot do is throw that pass. And Derek
has just had so many of these throughout his career
where it's like, what are you doing, man, what are
you doing? Throw the ball into the ground, take a sack.
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You cannot make that pass, and everyone and listen. I
like Derek. I root for Derek and the Saints. Obviously,
I have some money on them to make the playoffs,
to win the division. That play cannot happen. And it's
plays like that that make me go my divisional BET's
going to be a little more difficult to hit than
I thought. Because not everything's gonna be as easy as
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the first two weeks. You're gonna be in some of
these tai games against high level defenses you cannot make.
I mean, that's a bottom ten quarterback type decision. It's
just that's low level ball and embarrassing for a guy
that's been in the league a decade making the money
he's making to even just make that decision. It's just
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it's I'm at a loss for words when the ball
left his hands because it was just so dumb. It
did not need to happen, and it's won rookie quarterbacks whatever.
A guy with that much experience just pissed me off.
I had the Saints as well underrated. Speaking of that game,
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Saquon Barkley is a badass. And we can debate whether
you should take running backs high or not. When you
do take them high, there better be no debate about
their ability. They may get hurt. Obviously, you come to
a line where how much are they worth? But if
you are gonna pull the trigger on a guy in
the top ten, especially at two overall, she'd be like, yeah,
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this guy's a total package. See, it would be John
Robinson really high pick No. One debates freak show. Remember
Christian McCaffrey was drafted eight. No debate freak show. Saquon
Barkley today, who has battled injuries and for the majority
of his career played on a shitty team, I mean
really bad. Two years ago they were solid, best year
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that he ever had with the Giants. They won nine games,
and for most of that his offensive line was atrocious.
Now he has a good offensive line with weapons around him,
and you're seeing the dude shine. And to me, the
coolest part, like to be a great running back, the
last an unnecessary attribute, like you do not need this
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to be a great running back. Breakaway high end speed,
you do not need it. There's been a small select
guys that have truly had it right Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson.
Saquon is one of those guys. When he gets in
the open field, he looks like a Ferrari And today
you saw that speed on basically the game winning touchdown,
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which was the deciding factor in the game because the
Eagles were in major trouble. And Saquan said, remember that
twenty seven million dollars guaranteed you gave me. Remember all
those dudes, guards and centers getting forty fifty million dollars
in free aging. I got twenty seven million dollars. And
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every time so far this season we've left the field
at the end of the game, you went, yeah, it
might be the best player on the field. How about
them apples? Overrated? The hype on Caleb Williams reminds me
of Trevor Lawrence. It's so strong and we've been hearing
it for so long that the expectations get out of whack.
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You expect to turn on their games. This happened to Lawrence,
that here with Urban Meyer, and it's happening right now
with eber Flus and the Bears. Multiple touchdowns, just guys
slicing and dicing the defense. You turn on the game
and you go, is this guy good? That's the first
thing you think to yourself. Is this guy a good player?
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It's crazy how off we are right now on the
hype of this player and what this player actually is
now the difference, even if he has a terrible season,
he has physical attributes that Bryce Young does not possess.
Arm strength, his body type, his athleticism. So I don't
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care how shitty this year ends up being just say
worst case scenario, it doesn't get better. A lot more
to work with there, but we all have to agree
the start of the season. We can blame whoever we want.
Virginia McCaskey, who's one hundred and seven years old, eber
Fleus with his haircut and his beard, Shane Waldrin, the
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offensive coordinator, the shitty old line. There are plays independent
of all those people, all those variables that he is
not making, and honestly, they're not that close. Like when
a guy is open and no one's around you fifteen
twenty thirty yards down the field, when you are that
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hyped up, when you're the number one pick and we've
seen you do it in college, people expect you to
make the pass and then it flies seven yards over
the guy's head. We're all sitting on our couch going,
what the fuck is this? Like, we're all thinking it.
So I'm not acting like this guy's career is over. Obviously,
everyone's gonna blame everyone else except him, but we have
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to admit, so far, there's probably not a more overrated
player in the league, which is unfair because he had
never even played in the league, But just based on hype,
it's not even close. Underrated. Colin and I talked about this,
talked about it last week. Lafleor, I mean everyone for
two years, like Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel. It's like, yeah, guys,
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we get it. Funny glasses, funny pants. I'll bet against
that guy every time in a big game. Yet. Lafleur,
who's been to the playoffs twice with Rogers, a game
with Jordan Love three times, won a playoff game last
year on the road with Jordan Love and had the
forty nine ers on the ropes. Just went back to
back games with Malik Willis. I love Kevin O'Connell. Seems
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like a really impressive guy. I've never met him personally, obviously,
what he's doing with Sam Darnold speaks for itself. Been
in the playoffs one time at home and lost to
the Giants, pretty sure. Oh yeah, Daniel Jones was the
quarterback to beat him. So it's like, listen, love Kevin
O'Connell a lot. We'll see him win a big game
and then we can put him in that class with
some of these other guys. I've seen la Floor win
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playoff games. I know he's lost a few two but
been there a lot. And now he's winning games with
Jordan Love who was a nobody thirty three touchdowns last
year playoff win on the road, almost won another playoff
game on the road. Now he's winning games with Malik
Willis on the road. I think we need to put
a little respect on O Lafleur's name. Overrated college. Do
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you know that the University of Michigan since Jim Harbaugh
became the coach back in twenty fourteen is six and
zero win Their quarterback passes for less than one hundred
yards in a day and age. When we love the pass,
and trust me, I love the pass. You love the
past passes fun Michigan because of their style and how
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they dominated on defense and how well they run the ball.
We saw them do it last year when they basically
refused to pass an entire half against the top fifteen
team in Penn State and won the game. And they
beat USC or their quarterback I'm pretty sure through for
like thirty five yards and they did not have a
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passing It didn't exist. They had to go ninety yards
to win the game and they couldn't pass, and they
did it. So listen I'm not trying to anoint Michigan.
You're obviously not gonna beat Ohio State. I don't even
think it could beat Penn State by not passing the ball.
But that was an impressive win. And again six and
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zero in the Harbaugh era, which counts sheron more right
now when they've passed for under one hundred yards. Last
but not least underrated. I was mainly listening to the
forty nine ers RAMS broadcast with Sanchez and Krugler, Kugler, Krugler,
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whoever the playboy play guy is, He's good, Sanchez gonna
be a little goofy, but he's fine. But I would
go back and forth because I was like, I just
want to hear tom Brady and I saw last week.
I didn't listen to the Tom Brady game last week,
and I heard he's he improved a lot. And I'm
not just trying to shit on Tom Brady to do this,
Like I'm a Tom Brady fan, have been for twenty
(42:55):
plus years. Myer everything, he stands for, wark ethic playing,
all that stuff. But I do view my broadcasters as entertainment. Collinsworth,
he's an entertainer. Gruden went from zero to one hundred
and fifty subscribers on YouTube. Why he's entertaining. He knows
how to play the game, that's all this is. And
(43:17):
I listen to probably I don't know a decent chunk
today of Brady. Obviously he sounds better than week one
because he's not pausing all the time, but I don't
really know what he's bringing to the table. Right Besides,
I'm Tom Brady because he's not super entertaining. He's not
(43:37):
like mister goofy Romo. He's not some huge personality behind
the mic like Collinsworth or Gruden was, And it's just
like nerdy football. That's not really what people are looking
for in these broadcasts. I'm just coming to hang. I'm
coming to hang with Tom freaking Brady for three hours.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Kick it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Let's just watch some ball, you throw some stories out,
let me hear some stuff, and listen. I'll be the
first to admit obviously trying anything at that level three
games in, I'm not expecting him to be a finished product.
But I'm just trying to map this out where it's
gonna go. And I go like, what's gonna be his thing?
Because I don't think we're getting ever collins Worth or
(44:22):
Gruden kind of the fun, crazy, goofy guy. Obviously Madden
was the best at that, and his personality isn't really
romo and he's not ever gonna be like Akman asshole
blasting people, which is my personal favorite. I don't know,
I just I don't really see it. Now. I understand
from a value standpoint, having Tom part of your company advertisers,
(44:48):
I'm not one of these moronic media people that just
hate everything business like you're not worth that, like he
might be. We're double that to them. But I'm just
talking about from an entertainment standpoint. Sitting there watching the game,
it pains me to say this. I just think he's
pretty bad. He's pretty bad. Just meh, there's just nothing there.
(45:08):
If it wasn't Tom Brady and just former player X,
you wouldn't even note it. You'd be like nothing would
stand out, which again a little like Caleb. The hype.
He's got his own commercial, not for like Tom all
State or Dell Computers or Samsung TVs. They literally made
(45:30):
him a commercial about him becoming a broadcaster. So the hype,
like Caleb, like Trevor Lawrence, just it couldn't be any
higher and you're watching you go, let's be real, I
don't know again. Pains me to say this kind of sucks.
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