3 & Out - Dak Prescott & Cowboys UPSET by McCarthy & Vikings on SNF + NFL Week 15 Reaction - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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presented by my good friends and partners. Zone Pouches slammed
about twenty of those throughout the day, starting at about
seven am this morning up until the Sunday night game.
Really enjoyed football today. We had a lot going on.
We just watched JJ McCarthy have an excellent game. We'll
lead with that, and then we obviously had to I mean,

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one of the greatest players of this century tearors Acl
today and Patrick Mahomes Micah Parsons. All indications are he
tores acl as well. So some DeVante Adams got injured,
Christian Watson got injured. We had some major, major injuries
that will have not the Mahomes thing because they got

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kot out of the playoffs, but some ripple effects. I mean,
the Packers had a devastating day. The Patriots also had
a devastating day, given they were up twenty one to
nothing and could have won the division. And then Josh
Allen happened the Broncos and Bo Nicks I mean, had
his defining moment as a quarterback today. So far in

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the NFL. You had the Bears now look like they
could win the division. You got the forty nine ers
who are still alive for like the number one seed.
The Eagles got some life. Pete Carroll just probably needs
to retire. So we got a lot of football going
on that we will talk about. If you're listening on
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be live after the Dolphin Steeler game on Monday night,
so keep an eye for that. But let's just dive
into the Sunday night game. I've been very hard on
JJ McCarthy, as everyone has. He looked for much of

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his time while he played. I mean, he was injured
a lot, like a player that you can't function with.
And over these last couple of weeks, and we talked
about this once it's clear they weren't making the playoffs,
is there had to be some sign of progress this
last month or else it would cause a very chaotic
offseason for them because they would have a major question

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at quarterback. They could not just run it back and
say JJ McCarthy is starting because they have a locker room,
they have people on the team making a ton of
money who are big time players. You have to be
able to look in the eye and say, we are
trying our best to win. It's why the Colts signed
Philip Rivers and not some random quarterback on a practice squad.

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How could you look Jonathan Taylor in the face and go,
we're trying because you couldn't even if Philip Rivers, like
at least you can say we believe this is our
best option. And he's even at forty five years old
and chubby, better than a bunch of dudes on practice squads,
and he knows the offense right. So JJ McCarthy to look,
especially Justin Jefferson in the eyes this offseason and go,

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we're gonna keep rolling with this at quarterback. There has
to be some substance behind it. And over the last
couple of weeks and specifically today, this is I'm gonna
get a lot of It's the Cowboys defense, Dallas's defense,
and listen, I'm no Matt Eberflus fan. And they looked
a lot like they looked before the trading deadline earlier

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in the season. Didn't look great but I thought JJ
McCarthy relative to his standards, was exceptional. I mean he
was balling tonight. He made the best throw of his
career on his first touchdown pass when he rolled left,
threw across his body as Collinsworth broke it down, let
the ball rip before his wide receiver was out of break.

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Countless times tonight. It's we know he has a good
arm right when I know he's working through some mechanics,
but like Daji McCarthy has a strong arm. The question
with him, and clearly Kevin O'Connell over the course of
the year has told the broadcasters his problem has been
change ups. His problem has been layering the balls. His

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problem has been the touch passes. And tonight, countless times
he did that. He had Hockinson on a ball that
was beautiful over the shoulder. He had another play down
the sideline I think to Nailer on a back shoulder play.
There was a beautiful concept drawn up by Kevin O'Connell, obviously,
as it showed his athletic ability running for some first downs.
I think they even mentioned on the broadcast that clearly

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the Vikings, starting with Kevin O'Connell, believe that it's safer
to dive headfirst when you're going for a first down
than it is the slide because you can kind of
control at which angle you kind of go. I was like, ah,
it kind of makes some sense. But listen, I was impressed.
And if you're a Vikings fan, like you should be like, Okay,

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there's something. The seasons lost, we're not going to the playoffs.
More than likely we're gonna have an under five hundred record.
But like, we drafted this guy really high. It looked
extremely bleak. A couple weeks ago. His statistical profile comped
to JaMarcus Russell like that. That wasn't a subjective like

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opinions being thrown out on the shows, like he reminds
me of JaMarcus Russell, this is the next JaMarcus Russell.
That's not what was happening. Literally, his profile statistically in
terms of drop back and success rate, and you know,
playing the position paralleled only JaMarcus Russell the way he

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played the position, so it was no one could argue
it was a major problem. And I don't know if
whatever Kevin O'Connell has done to settle him down get
them to play a little looser and again I understand
the opponent tonight was not good. It felt like he
would drop back and you could count five Mississippis for

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you to even see a cowboy guy around. But that's
not what this is about. Like this game today, like
the outcome of that game, Like at the end of
the day, once Philly kind of got their mojo today
and he started, They're not gonna lose to Washington in
either one of those games. The Dallas wasn't catching them, right,
Dallas is a seven to eight win team, and that's fine, right.
They traded Mica before the season. They got a lot

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of issues still and holes to fill this offseason. Like
I think Water finds this level, we're starting to like
if their offense isn't perfect, they're gonna have issues. Their
defense is not dependable. But JJ ripped it. I was impressed.
I thought, like, Okay, this is an NFL quarterback and
it's something to build up. If he does that a

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couple more games going to the offseason, you can just
have a positive outlook and emphasize everything this offseason. OTAs
being big into training camp and we can keep working
on the improvement. He can keep getting these reps. I mean,
you go on the road in the NFL, whether you're
playing the Titans or whether you're playing the Houston Texans,
having success, creating confidence because the way you create confidence

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is to do well on the field. Right. You can't
fake it, right, you have to do it. And clearly,
I don't know if he had lost his confidence earlier
early this year, whether it was the injuries, whether it
was obviously mechanically he's working through some things and he
still is. It's a little funky, but I listen, he
made a lot of big time throws tonight. There was

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a deep bomb early in the game. Just let it rip.
But to me, it's the touch throws, like no one
questions his just pure arm strength. Even one to night
where he made a beautiful throw and then he overthrew
Jefferson on like a deep out route on the right corner.
It's like the guy can throw it hard, right. It's

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all about touch plays. That's how you have success in
the NFL. Right. Some of the great plays of Patrick
Mahomes's career or Lamar Jackson's career, Josh Allen's career aren't
always just the drive throws. Sometimes it might be a
scramble throw. It over a linebacker and hit a guy
in stride and he did that multiple times today and
now he's got a build on it. And we know

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the Vikings are well coached, right. They have an excellent
head coach, they have an awesome defensive coordinator, they have
a well structured organization. They're consistently good. Over the course
of I don't know, thirty plus years of my life,
from the nineties, of the two thousand to twenty tens,
they consistently have good, well run teams, well coached teams,

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deep rosters, you know, quarterback play. When they've had good
quarterback play, they've been good. And typically they've had to
you know, sign guys like the far Thing, the Cousins
thing over the last fifteen plus years. But a homegrown guy, now,
I think there, you're not, you know, writing this in
sharpie that he's just going to be your starter for

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the next seven years. But like this is a positive.
And before you can run, like before you run a
five k, you might have to prove yourself you can
run a mile or help a couple laps, right, So,
I mean the bar's pretty low here. We're not looking
for John Elway or Joe Montana. We're just looking to
win a couple of games, throw a couple of touchdowns,

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and complete a couple third downs on third longs, on
different looks, different concepts, and just be like, Okay, he
can do that. Check that off a lisp. So CONGRATSTU
to JJ McCarthy. A huge part of playing football, just
like a huge part of life is when shit hits
the fan, when things are not going well. And the

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hard part about a football player it typically a lot
of them are young, right, so it's forcing you. It's
easier for us. As you go through life and tough
things happen, you know you've become a little hard. But
it's a lot easier for me to do it at
forty one years old than it was for me to
do it at twenty six, at twenty nine, at thirty two.

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Right experience, you're able to grow on that. Sometimes as
a young player, it's all thrust on you. And he
was like, the one thing I will defend it is
tough being a young player put in a position on
a good team. It's way easier to just go to
the Cleveland Browns or you know, the Arizona Cardinals or
the Tennessee Titans. And nothing matters, Like listen, I was

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a fan of cam Ward at Miami, but I don't
even know what, Like nothing matters that they're doing, like
nothing with the Vikings, you know, these like everything to
start the season mattered a lot of eyeballs. They were
a fourteen wins team last year. They've been a really
good team under Kevin O'Connell. And it's just a lot
of pressure, even coming from Michigan where you've won the Natty.

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Now granted, you won the Natty by defense and running
the ball and not much on you, and then you
go to a place where the coach wants to throw
the ball the time. And that's fine, that's what he
his philosophical belief on winning football games. But to execute
that at the highest level is difficult. And going on
the road in Dallas. You can throw at me all

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you want about defensive statistics. I don't give a shit
that was a positive for Dallas. I don't think there's
that much to say. Uh, you know, when their defense
plays crappy, their offense has no margin for air, and
their offense was just a little often nite in George Pickens,
He's last couple of weeks I mean, what happened in
Detroit last Thursday, everything that led up to this, how

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they talked to him, and then he just kind of
feels like he's a little m i A again, I
think because with Dallas, that's the big picture of stuff, right,
And they clearly got a couple of picks, and this,
this Packer thing, which we'll talk about in a minute,
could get a lot better on their side, the Mica trade.
I mean, their season is could just completely unravel. I

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mean it's not it's not impossible for the Packers to
miss the playoff. I think it would be unlikely, but
if they lose these next couple of weeks, this thing
could get away from and get away from quick. And
to me, if you're Dallas, now you're just better off losing.
But you're just better off losing these games, right, And
it's pretty clear now the Eagles, I know, officially they
haven't won the division. They've won the division. The Philadelphia

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Eagles are going to be the three seed. Right, they
are going to host a game, and more than likely
this upcoming week against the Commanders, they will get a
hat and T shirt and this thing will be over.
And you know, Dallas's flaws. You know, when Dak's on,
he looks awesome. When he's a little off, he doesn't
quite look as good. And I just think that when
you go the Pickens thing was real, like the plays

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he was making, he was just he was bawling. And
whatever happened over the course of the last I don't know.
I don't know if it happened during the week leading
into Detroit during Thanksgiving week, I don't know, because he
was awesome that Thanksgiving Day game against the Chiefs, and
it's all kind of unwrapped. And the problem is is

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that position is it's not a cheap endeavor, right, I
mean it's expensive to get into business with wide receivers.
Ask the forty nine ers about their situation with Brandon Ayuk,
Like they gave him seventy five million dollars, then he
just went mia and they tried to steal twenty five
million dollars back. And I said the time, like, this
guy's catching seventy four balls a year. But that's kind

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of the going rate, right, I Mean, that's the going
rate for these guys. Like even if he's not a
top tier guy at minimum, he's still making twenty two
to twenty five million dollars a year. And I think
at this point in time, if you're the Cowboys, like,
is this what we want to get into business with? Right,
because they have a bunch of high level guys like

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I see how hard CD Lamb plays and how hard
you know Dak and Ferguson, Like do you trust this
and paying him more money? And I think the answer
is Mike Toalmlin will tell you you see, I try
to tell you, you know, like I told you guys,
I think it's pretty clear, like you got to be
smart about doing business this offseason when it comes to
paying a lot of money for you know, for that player,

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especially a position where you can find guys in the
draft pretty easily, like you should be able to find
guys in the second, third, fourth round. They can be
really really productive for you immediately to go along with
the other weapons that you already have under contract. And
I don't know, you know, Quinn Williams was hurt tonight.
So I think if you're Dallas now that like you

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ain't making the playoffs, I don't think it's the worst
thing to just keep losing out, get a hype draft
pick and just see what happens to Green Bay and
just reset this offseason, which I actually think has been
a pretty positive, pretty positive year for the Cowboys, like
pretty respectable. They made the Mica trade. Most people thought
they were going to be like a three win team.
They'll probably end up with seven wins. They had to

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tie against the Packers. It was a pretty respectable year
given the circumstances your head coach that everyone thought. And
I'm probably guilty of this too. I'm like, what are
you doing hiring this guy? It's proven to be pretty
solid and he's definitely a good offensive play caller. Statistically,
they lead the league in yards per game. I think
they're like second or third in points per game, which

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is his side of the ball in part of defense,
Like obviously your defensive coordinator has a big impact, but
like Fangio looks a lot better when he's got really
good players. I've seen Fangio with bad players and not
go well, Like Robert sala Is doing a badass job
this year. They just gave up twenty four points against

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one of the worst teams, if not the worst team
in the league, the Tennessee Titans. So I think part
of it, and my point is Kazla doesn't have any
players right now, So, like a huge part of defense
is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. Now, once you got
the Jimmy's in the Joe's, if you pair them with
the x's and the o's, you got yourself the Houston Texans.
But you can't make chicken salad out a chicken shit

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on defense. You can manipulate stuff on offense, can't do
it on a defense. And they just need some more firepower. Obviously,
they need an edge rusher to go along with their
defensive tackles. DB's are actually uh. I mean that they
have a couple uh defensive backs that you know, worth keeping.
But other than that, like they've seen a lot of
help they need. They just need players over there, which

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I would imagine they draft heavy, heavy defense, and even
same thing with UH with free agency, because tonight was
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. The big stories of the day, though,
I mean the headline story of the league today, were
the two major injuries, starting with I would say the
league's most famous player. He's on the league's I mean,

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the Chiefs are going to officially now miss the playoffs,
but they have become the biggest brand in the league
over the last five or six years. And obviously Patrick
Mahomes is the superstar quarterback on the team towards ACL.
Which if I would have told you three months ago
that Patrick Mahomes would have torn his ACL in the

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middle of December, your first reaction would have been, that's
going to have major ripple effects on the AFC playoff
because over the last however many years, beside Joe Burrow,
none of these guys have been able to beat him.
He's beat Josh Allen four times in the playoffs. Obviously
two years ago he beat Lamar in Baltimore. You know

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what he did last year. He's an unstoppable force when
the playoff games come, and he's been like well, even
if the Chiefs didn't win the division, there wouldn't have
been a soul that would have thought that. They wouldn't
have been a wild card team. And they have simply
had the Year from Hell and the Patrick Mahomes ACL
injury feels like I'd say the cherry on top of

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the Year from Hell. But it's more than that. I mean,
it's late December, I know, and I'm guilty of this too.
You start doing the math in your head about how
long a guy's gonna miss. But I do think we
go back to Adrian Peterson when he came back in
like a month or whatever it was from his ACL injury.
That's not normal. Everyone reacts and responds to these injuries differently.

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We have seen guys that you know, try to battle
back to quickly injure other parts of their leg. It
happened to you know, it's a different sport. But Klay
Thompson was returning from an ACL injury and Tours Achilles
we saw Daniel Jones had a broken leg Tours Tours Achilles.

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You just this guy's your franchised. I mean literally, he
changed the NFL, the Kansasy Chiefs. He turned them into
like the Dallas Cowboys meets the Green Bay Packers. The
moment he began starting, he made Andy Reid, a guy
that was viewed as someone that could never win the
Big One, become a three time champion. Now you could

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argue never win the Big One. Like Andy Reid's resume
before Patrick Mahomes was pretty awesome, but he turned him
into a living legend. I mean, one of the guy
that's gonna go into the Hall of Fame and be
considered right up there, like Bill Walsh. You know, Bill
Walsh won three Super Bowls. I think sometimes to talk
about Bill Walsh like he won five, he won three.
George Seafford won the last of the eighties and then

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won another one in nineteen ninety four. So I just
think this injury is one if you're Kansas City, you're
just extra cautious on and your franchise goes as far
as this guy takes you. Now, let's face it, on
the field, over the last couple of years, he hasn't
quite been as dominant, So maybe there's an element of
reset here. I think if you're the chiefs Now I've

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been saying this last week when it was clear they
weren't going to make the playoffs, Like, you're actually better
off losing out now. I don't even think you have
to argue just lose out. I mean just Minchew came
in kind of a tough spot obviously through terrible pick
where it wasn't even close to getting to Kelsey. I
mean he basically hit Derwin, James and Stride. But I
think if you're the Chiefs, not only do you want

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to lose out, you're actually contemplating depending on how it goes,
Like if the Raiders look like they could have the
number one pick, would you actually try to screw them
and let them beat you so you derail their draft
hopes of getting potentially Fernando Mendoza and getting a franchise quarterback.

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But there's no way around it. I mean, if you're
a Chiefs fan, this year has been awful. They've been
tough to watch at times. They've had just devastating losses.
And to see him down on the ground like that,
and to see the visual of him being helped back
to the locker room by the trainers. Rick Burke Holter,

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who is the Chiefs trainer who I've known since Philly's
been with Andy, I think, like twenty five years, it's
just terrible and it's a blow for the NFL. There's
just no way around it. Now, a little lucky that
this only happens with a couple of games left and
they're not going to be in the playoffs. And also
like an ACL injury. I saw Jordan Schultz put this

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out there, that same thing with Tom Brady as ninth
year in the NFL. Now Tom towards a cl What
was it Week one against the Chiefs. Ironically, I want
to say Tony Pollard. It wasn't Tony Pollard, but it
was the Pollard. I'm pretty sure he played at UCLA
hit him in his lower leg. This was a little
different kind of a non co well, I guess he

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got kind of bent back on a tackle. Now his
knee was already kind of felt like not doing great.
But man, I would say though, the bigger injury given
the impact on twenty twenty five, was Michael Parsons and
a lot like Patrick Mahomes. When he's laying there on

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the ground, it's like, you know it. Maybe you watch
football long enough. Obviously the non contact stuff it tends
to be pretty clear, but I don't remember a team.
I mean, at one point in time to day they
were up twenty three to fourteen. It felt like in
full control of the game. And it's like, you know what.

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The Packers coming off that big win, came on the
road to Denver, came out the gate swinging. They just
looked really good. Josh Jacobs is making justh. Jacobs look
like a Marshall Falk today catching balls down the sideline.
He had a big touchdown runsh Jacobs a badass, talking
about a Wardaddy. Josh Jacobs could play on my team

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any day of the week and one hundred times on Sunday,
and he was dominating that game. And then Jordan Love
throws the pick over the middle of the field. Christian
Watson also major injury. We don't quite know the results
of that. I think they said he was gonna go
to the hospital when they get back to Green Bay.
They said a chest, not a shoulder, because I think

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most people when he's laying on the ground assumed that
he broke his collar bone. So maybe he did something else.
We'll see if that's a season ender, because that would
be devastating. Then they score and they take the lead,
and then Michael Parkinsons Saria's acl, It's like, what just happened? Honestly,

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I don't remember a team that we would have all
agreed like this team one hundred win the Super Bowl.
They have a dominant running back who can run and catch.
They have more than enough wide receivers. Even though their
star tight end is missing, they've done enough to fill that.
And their defense is unreal led by a forty million
dollars a year pass rusher who just looks like he

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shot out of a can at every time he passed rushes.
Then their fastest guy on offense just taking back to
the locker room, who's injured, who just gets injured a
lot anyway, So you're just like, that's not good. But
when Micah Parsons was on the ground, honestly, I just
felt like there are season's over. That was my first response.
And then I didn't see the clip till halftime of

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the Sunday night game when they show the floor, he
looks like he saw a ghost. How would he not.
He's was literally coaching a season that was one he
knows he has a team that's in a weird way,
like get to the Super Bowl or bust I would
say minimum NFC championship or bust. He's also kind of

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coaching for a contract extension. I mean, part of this
whole season was Matt Lafleur's not under contract after this year.
I mean, he's got a one year left, but like
this kind of extension time, he's either getting an extension
after this year, or as the new president kind of
alluded to before the season, like we're gonna have to
make a decision. And he's no dummy. He sees the reality.

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I just lost a guy that scored five touchdowns in
four weeks, who's the fastest guy, one of the fast
guys in the league. And I lost the guy that
we traded two first rounders for, gave one hundred and
eighty eight million dollars, who's fucking dominated the majority of
the season and been the best player on our defense,
which has been one of the best defense in the league.
And now we're playing the Bears, who got their mojo

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back against the Browns and are gonna be pretty confident
playing us because they took us down to the wire
a week ago, And all of a sudden, I look up,
I go, well, the Rams in Seattle both have eleven
wins they play Thursday. One of those two teams gonna
have twelve, and the forty nine ers are playing field rivers,
so more likely they're gonna have eleven wins at the

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end of the year. At the end of the week,
So if we lose the Bears, we're probably not gonna
win the division. The Chicago Bears are and listen, the
Lions are technically still alive, but we either could be
the seventh seed, which is probably likely, or missed the playoffs.
Like this thing could become a disaster and become a
disaster fast, so I don't blame them. It's the one

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thing I've never missed about leaving football is just injuries. Like,
what are you supposed to say? Next man up? I
always thought is the dumbest, the dumbest thing that's ever
said in the NFL, Like there is no next man
up for Mike Parsons, there's no next man up for
Patrick Mahomes, there is no you go back to what

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was his name, Dick for meal when Trent Green got
hurt and he said, Kurt Warner's a starter and we
will win with Kurt Warner. That's the only time that's
ever really worked like most guys. When Trent Green goes down,
Kurt Warner turns out to be like John Middlecalff and
you just lose every game and then you never hear
about that player ever again. The ninety nine percent of

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the time, they do not turn out to be Kurt Warner.
They turn out to be a backup who gets exposed
when you play good teams, and the floor knows it
and you can see it on his face. We're fucked,
I mean, no way around it. And it sucks like you.
And it's not lucky for the Chiefs because they just
lost Patrick Mahomes to an ACL but their season was over, right,

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so it sucks. You don't want to lose a thirty
year old superstar quarterback to a torn ACL, but you
were not going to the playoffs, so it just sucks
that he's injured. Right for the Packers, I mean, halfway
through this game, Matt Lafour had to be thinking, like,
we're not only gonna win this game, We're gonna beat

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the Bears next week. We're gonna get the number one
seed and we're gonna win the freaking NFC and then
we're gonna win the Super Bowl. And I'm gonna become
a legend. I'm gonna be like the skinny kind of
millennial version of Mike Holmgrin, Like that's what I'm gonna be.
I'm gonna get a statue in this franchise one day.
And then it flipped. And that's how fast things happen

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in professional sports, especially in football, or in any given play,
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his injury, Well, he's got a broken leg in a
torn achilles. Career could be altered and never be the
same again. That's that's how fast it happens. And I
think a lot of these injuries maybe it's just the

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world we live in. We have so many cameras. You
just know it when you see it. And there wasn't
a soul that watched Michael Parsons laying on that ground
that thought like, oh, you might have just tweaked the knee.
We all thought the same thing. He just tore up
his knee. He's done, it's over, and and it just
it sucks. There's nothing you can even say unless you're
a Packer fan, and then you just say a lot
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price guarantee. The parksonst thing. I just still can't quite
get over. That's just that sucks. I mean, it's the Packers.
If you're Roger right now, I mean they are a
cash cow for the league. You want them playing in
big games. And like I said, I mean I was
wrong in the Bears. I believe in the but you

(32:00):
know I was not a not a believer in the quarterback.
Didn't think it was gonna work with a coach. He
has been excellent. Caleb's made so many plays over the
last month. The I mentioned this to Coward when we
recorded like the mental fortitude they showed going into that
game today, And I get it, you're playing the Browns,
but to show up and just beat the living you

(32:22):
know what out of him was like, this team's for real.
I don't know if I'm picking them to win the
super Bowl, but after the devastating injuries, with the Packers
sitting here on December fourteenth, I mean, I like him
to win this week against Green Bay, and I like
him to end up winning the division. And that's all
of a sudden, the Bears are going to be the
two seed. I think how crazy that is. I think

(32:43):
last year, didn't they lose like ten straight games. They
fired eber Flus the day after Thanksgiving. A year later,
they are, I mean, let's face it, a game away
from essentially winning the division and probably being the two seed.
I guess not in conceivable. If Seattle and the Rams
both lose a game or two that they could have

(33:05):
the number one seed. It's not out of the realm
of possibility. What a turn of events. I mean, speaking
of a team that might get the one seed, I mean,
Puka Nakua is like the Polynesian wide receiver version of
George Kittle. He's just I don't ever remember a receiver
quite like him, how physical he is, how tough he

(33:28):
is to tackle. Just what a all around baller the
dude is. I mean, he's really good, but it does
help to have help. And when you have Davonte with him,
you can't like throw three three guys at Pooka Nakua
right because at any moment, Davante can just makes we
catch his score touchdowns like he's a Hall of Fame

(33:50):
level guy. And when I looked up today and saw
Davante get a flat tire in that hammy, what looked
like pulled it again. And you know, Sean said after
the game that he wasn't gonna rule him out for
this week. The problem is this week is in four days,
and typically you don't pull a hamstring, especially when you've

(34:10):
had reoccurring hamstring injuries and go on the road. And
I haven't checked the weather, but it's probably be cold
and wet in play. So the problem is is Seattle
does have a bunch of dbs, an excellent defensive coordinator,
and to me, that entire game plan is like, listen,
there is no way puk is gonna have like ten

(34:30):
for one on us. It's just not gonna happen. We're
gonna try to keep him like fifty yards and we
will double cover him every single play. I don't care
what formations you do. We're gonna have two guys designated
to them and make these other tight ends in your
two running backs beat us, because that if you told me,
the Rams went and fully healthy. Now their defense has issues,
but Seattle is not playing well on offense. Sam Darnold

(34:53):
was not good for a lot of today. Now, clearly
the Colts had some life with Rivers, but that DeVante
Adams injury is pretty big, specifically for Thursday, which if
you're the Rams and you sweep Seattle and Seattle still
has to go on the road and play the forty
nine ers, pretty big. So I mean, I think this

(35:17):
game to me with Davante Adds is a total total
coin flip. The other injury is the forty nine Ers
play the Titans, who are just atrocious. I mean they're
really really bad. There are plays where like, is this
really happening? They also they also had some positive places
as well. Part of it is the forty nine ers defense.
They got a lot of randos out there, but offensively,

(35:39):
the Niners look incredible, And part of it is George
Kittle's as good as he ever been. George Kittle right
now looks like a combination of like the physicality of
Pete Gronk with the ball skills and you know, running
ability with the ball in his hands of like Pete
Travis Kelsey. I mean, he looks like an unsolvable force McCaffrey,

(36:00):
just slow and steady, Like he's not quite as explosive
as he was a couple of years ago, but he's
still an unreal player. Juwan Jennings dominated Ricky Pearsall, who
obviously drafted in the first round two years ago, got
derailed early last year because he got shot. But if
you removed the gunshot wound, which I saw, I think
the doctor that removed the bullets of the crazy part

(36:21):
about that is it was an inch or two away
from being you know, catastrophic for the guy's life. But
he's battled a bunch of other injuries from hamstring injuries,
to shoulder injuries to knee injuries, and he rolled his
ankle today. He hurt his knee at the end of
the game, and Kyle said he might have reinjured his PCL,
which is a problem because if this team's gonna make

(36:43):
some noise, which they still can, Like it's not inconceivable
if Seattle were to take down the Rams on Thursday night,
like they could still win the division because they still
play Seattle week eighteen. Now, they still got to beat
the Bears in a couple of weeks, which is not
gonna be easy given how well the Bears are offensive plan.
But their success is gonna hinge on their offense dominating

(37:05):
and their defense just doing enough. And part of their
offense dominating is like Brandon at Yuk. Kyle's like, yeah,
we haven't seen him in forever. I haven't seen him forever.
I don't even know where he is right. It's like
he's not coming back. This thing's a disaster, but we
already knew that, Like he's been m a the whole time.
They were depending on Kendrick Bourne, who was literally in

(37:27):
NFL circles what you call when a guy's unemployed, Like
he's on the street, even though technically down on the
street like a homeless guy. I mean, he's a multi millionaire,
but he's on the street waiting for a job and
they offered him on and he's he's come in and
he's produced. But Ricky Pearsall is a better player. And
you get Pearsall Witch Jennings with McCaffrey, with George Kittle,
like they got a Kyle Shanahan high end offense. And

(37:49):
if they're gonna make noise, which they can win a
playoff game for sure, they're gonna need him. And that's
something to definitely monitor. Couple. I mean, at one point
in time today the New England Patriots were up twenty
one to nothing. Twenty one to nothing, I swear to god,
they were up fourteen to nothing for even blinked. It's

(38:10):
like if the Bill is about to lose this game,
like fifty to ten. Honestly, at the end of the
first quarter felt like that. And I know they got
Josh Allen and you can never count him out. It's
easy that after the game, but I don't. I think
you'd be hard pressed to find a Bills fan that
said ten to fifteen minutes into that game that you
thought you were gonna come back to win. It felt

(38:30):
like you were about to get boat raced, and then
Josh Allen happened. Here's my overall take. I'm not a
big Awards guy. I don't really rarely bet those, even
though I dabbled this year. I mean because Baker Mayfield
thing did look pretty tasty, it doesn't matter that much
to me, Like whether Peyton Manning won seven MVPs or

(38:53):
four MVPs, or Brady or Farv or any like. I
know what I saw, Like I have a pretty good
feel for when you watch guy, as most fans do.
And there were years when Michael Jordan didn't win the
MVP and other guys did, But there wasn't a soul
alive that thought Michael Jordan wasn't the best player in
the NBA, right And I think when you watch football,

(39:15):
you can give it to Stafford, and Stafford has an
unreal season. You could give it to you know, at
one point in time, a couple of weeks ago, it's
like Jordan Love could win it. There is not a
soul in the NFL. I don't think there's a fan
in the NFL. They would say Josh Allen isn't the
best player currently playing in the league. He is an
unstoppable force. So whether he wins the MVP or not,

(39:37):
he's the best player in the league. And we all
know it. It's why I think awards and listen. It's
it'd be a you know, feather on the cap for
Stafford to win the MVP. So now we'd have a
super Bowl an MVP after the shitty years in Detroit,
even though they weren't that shitty because the ultimately got
paid like three hundred million dollars to lose a lot.
But you know, as a player, you want to accomplished

(40:00):
things as a team and as an individual. And he's
gonna be given the opportunity. If they can, you know,
play well Thursday night and finish this season strong, it
looks like Matt Stafford's gonna win it. Matt Staffer's not
better than Josh Allen. We all know it. And what
Josh Allen did today when he flipped that switch, they
went five straight tries, five straight touchdowns. He's making plays
with his legs, he's throwing these dimes, he's keeping plays alive,

(40:21):
scrambling to throw it. It was it was just fun.
To watch, and if I was a Patriot fan, that
thing went from we are kicking the you know what
out of these guys to when they took the lead
late in the fourth quarter and then you scored immediately
on the Trevon Henderson run, so you're like, maybe it

(40:44):
was destiny. We're down four points and then Henderson hits
it and we're up three, and then what happens. Allen
takes you right down the field with a lot of
James Cook. They score again, and Josh McDaniels, I think
you guys ran seven more plays called one run. I
had a couple people that were like, we were gashing
these guys in the run game, and he just didn't

(41:05):
run it. And the one run of those seven plays
went for five yards, and they got really pass happy.
I don't know if if Drake just got skittish, if
guys weren't open. Obviously it's cold, it's snowing. Josh is unfazed,
but get Drake's a young player. This isn't exactly the
you know, Gronk Edelman, Randy Moss and Troy Brown running

(41:25):
around out there, and it crumbled and it crumbled on
him fast. I mean when they went turned it over
on downs late in the game. It was ugly. It
was really really bad. So it's just one of those
moments where you're like, it's tough, you know. I mean,
the worst case scenario is like the Blue Jays in
the World Series, when you start looking at like your dad,

(41:48):
your buddies, just whoever you're watching the game with, They're like,
we're about to win the World Series. Nothing gets worse
than that. I think they had the lead in the
World Series with two hours to go. That's the worst
case scenario. But you got three quarters of football, you're
killing them and you're going we're gonna win the AFC
East on December fourteenth against the Bills in Josh Allen,

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do you know how awesome that's gonna feel? And everyone's
kind of feeling it, and there's probably a little cockiness
that comes back from, you know, those decades of watching
Brady and Belichick just curb stomped people just win this
division year after year. It's like, we're back, and then
you weren't back in Josh Allen beat you Now. I
still think the Patriots can win the division obviously just

(42:33):
based on math, but shows you, man, you just can't
count this guy out. And I would say the same
thing for Denver when they're down twenty three fourteen and
they weren't really playing that bad, but Jacobs has hit
a couple of big plays and you're just not listen, like,
this isn't the end of the world. The Patriots had lost,
so you maintain that number one seed, but this team's

(42:57):
coming off, you know, a big win. It's like, are
you just not as good as the Packers? And then
Jordan threw that pick and then it just flipped and
like I said, you know earlier, I haven't watched every
Bonnicks game. I definitely didn't watch many at Auburn clearly
didn't go well for the majority of it. You know,
a lot of with in fairness, like I the orguing

(43:20):
the offense was the offense, and you know a lot
of people gave him shit for throwing the ball behind
the line of scrimmage. He put up great numbers and
they were a really good team, but what he did
today is nothing like I've ever seen that guy play football.
That was as good of a game as I would
imagine he's ever played. And when you factor in the
o pponent, that's easily the best game of his life,

(43:40):
and he needed it because like Denver has a championship defense,
they have a coach who is comfortable being in the playoffs.
But there's no questioning the head coach running a playoff team,
and there's no questioning their defense. But when your quarterback
is not dependable, like you think, you can get weird

(44:00):
in the playoffs because you have a crappy half, your
season can be over all of a sudden, you throw
a pick or a pick six, you find yourself down
seventeen to three. You just you can't get back and
you'll lose. And if he's gonna play like that, like
that team can win the Super Bowl. If he plays
like that, no one's beating Denver. If bow Knicks is

(44:21):
gonna be good, they will be the AFC champions. Specially
it has to go through Denver. There's a reason Denver
beat the Patriots so many times in the Belichick era.
There's a reason that Peyton Manning got him right. They're very,
very difficult team to beat on the road. Going to
Mile High fan base is crazy, it's loud, it's intense,

(44:41):
the weather plays a factor, and you know you're playing
an excellent defense. So I haven't been sold on bow
Knicks because he hasn't played well and you've watched him,
you went, you can't function with this if he plays
like that. I mean that looked like Josh Allen or
Patrick Mahomes in his prime. Like that was. That was
an elite performance For a majority of the game. He

(45:02):
was playing well too, is when Michael was out there,
and then when Micah went out, it was truly on
like Donkey Kong. He was. I don't think he was
sacked today. Passes on the run obviously, some just some
beautiful over the shoulder, deeper, deeper balls that he has
missed on a ton to Courtland Sutton, he made an

(45:23):
unreal scramble to his right where he split like these
two defenders that were like ten feet ahead of them.
It was one of the best passes he's probably ever
made in his NFL career. When he was talking about
touch but he was, he was. He was brilliant today,
He really was. That was. I saw some backer fans
on the internet it was like, it's like, did the
football guys come down just just throw him a bone

(45:45):
for some of his earlier performances, because that was that
was awesome that it looks like the Patriots now, you know,
have a little work to do when it comes to
that number one seed. But listen, if I were told
any Patriot fan, would you be cool with having the
number two seed for sure now at this point in time.
If it does get away from you and you end
up not winning the division, that would feel pretty devastating.

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(46:58):
didn't follow the web. They're hour by hour over the
last couple of days in Cincinnati, Ohio. But I guess
there's a league rule. Mike Florio pointed out that if
it snows, the team has to remove snow from the
seats for the fans. Right, You just you pay a
crew and they come. I don't know exactly what they do,
knock it off. It's not like they're carrying it out

(47:19):
of the stadium and they're just knocking it off and
clearing the seats. The Bengals did not do that. They
paid nobody to do anything, and the seats were covered
with snow, which is a league violation. Now the Bengals
pushed back it wasn't as bad. But I think it's
a clear reflection that everyone thinks their owner is the
cheapest human alive. And I've said forever I think when
you are really, really wealthy and you're still really cheap,

(47:42):
it's a disease. It's no different than we could list
a million diseases. It is a disease. You do not
shake that. I mean there are a notorious stories still
about like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan being cheap. It's like,
you guys are billionaires, but you don't shake it. It's
something you carry with you. You're higher life. We all
know people maybe not billionaires, but people that do well

(48:04):
successfully or you know, successfully financially and just will not
pull out their wallet. And I truly believe it's a disease.
And Mike Brown has it. Like Mike, whether you like
it or not, you're a billionaire now. Your team's worth
billions of dollars. Your team generates just from the media
deal four hundred and fifty million dollars a year. Your

(48:26):
team's payroll is not even you know, it's like half that.
So and we know you ain't paying many executives because
it's all your family running it. So I just think
it's pretty embarrassing. And then his team got embarrassed and
Lamar showed them some signs of life for the first
time it felt like in a month. It was like, Okay,
this is kind of Lamar Jackson that we all know

(48:47):
and love, and we'll see tomorrow with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
But you know, the Ravens team the last couple of
weeks has just been terrible, partly because Lamar has not
played well. He did look a lot better today, made
some beautiful d passes. His day flowers a couple of times.
When their passing game gets going, it open it up

(49:07):
for Derek Henry. You start running around like he's a
freaking thoroughbred. When that gate opens and he starts kind
of galloping, and that those trides are covering like eight
yards per every two steps, You're like, holy shit, this
guy's a monster, So watch out for the Ravens. A
couple other quick things. Shador Sanders was obviously not good today,

(49:29):
and I think the problem for him is the Browns.
You know, there are so many bad teams. They're not
guaranteed to have the number one pick. I mean technically
right now, they're like the fifth or sixth pick. There
are gonna be a couple of teams like the Giants,
like the Titans, who are not gonna take quarterbacks. Obviously
the Raiders would take a quarterback, but the Browns don't

(49:51):
necessarily control their own destiny of getting a quarterback. But
they do have a couple of picks. Now that Jack's
pick will probably be somewhere in the twenties, but they
we do have that as amo to move up a
little bit if the you know, if the Giants or
whoever want to move back. But you have days like today.
It is now. One of his interceptions was not his fault.
It literally went right through Jerry Judy's stomach and Jalen

(50:13):
Johnson just grabbed it and picked it off in the
end zone. But he had some other He hit the
other two picks for atrocious and obviously the team's terrible.
I just think it's going to be very, very difficult
for him to show enough whether this regime stays or
is gone and new people come in for them not
to be extremely aggressive to try to get Now Fernando

(50:34):
Mendoza is the only quarterback that comes out, and the
Raiders have the number one overall pick, it will be
a moot point because they'll they will just draft the kid.
And if Dante More goes back to school, we saw
Sellers went back to school with then Il. A lot
of these quarterbacks go back to school and you just
kind of roll back with Gabriel Schador and that's kind

(50:55):
of your quarterback room with Deshaun Watson, I guess coming
back and you just kind of roll it over. But
that just shows you this team is really really bad.
I mean that was the barrass clown. Then today they
embarrassed him, and I think one of Shador's problems is
is and we talk about getting rid of the ball,
and it was a knock on him in college, well

(51:17):
in the Big twelve, not many good defenses the Big twelve,
you know, in the NFL, Chador is athletically is much
closer to like a Kirk Cousins than he is to
like a bo Nix. He's not a run around guy.
He is a pocket quarterback. You have to get rid
of the ball quickly when you try to run around scramble.
That is not gonna work out well when you have

(51:37):
your skill set. He didn't get his father's athletic ability,
clearly got his moms. I think they've even joked about
it as a family. But when you're gonna throw a
bunch of interceptions down the stretch, your team keeps losing,
you're just not like next year's in major question because
if they do draft a quarterback really high, are they
gonna keep Shador standers at the backup? Now with a

(52:01):
fifth round pick, you'd be like, yeah, just keep him,
keep him around, and he'll just compete for the backup
job with someone else. But Chador is so much more
They could draft Fernando Mendoza. Shador is more famous in
Fernando Mendoza, which is just just a reality. And he's
definitely a bigger talking point. And it's just one of
those situations that like, this thing could just get weird,

(52:22):
and it get weird fast, and you can kind of
feel it coming. If their games like today are gonna
keep happening, these last couple of games of the season
and last but not least, you know sometimes and listen,
I've never been in my mid seventies, but I've also
never been worth one hundred million dollars and probably more.
And I think when you look back at Pete Carroll,

(52:42):
he was forced out of Seattle, and he's a prideful guy.
He didn't want to quit and he didn't have a choice.
The problem is is when he was forced out, he
refused to wave the white flag. He was desperate to
do whatever it took to get back involved. Now. The
album was is that his options basically didn't exist. Teams

(53:05):
didn't want him until one team was pretty desperate, didn't
have any other options to hire a coach, and they
hired Pete Carroll. Turns out as the Raiders, and Pete
Carroll is adamant and every time I see him talk,
he's like, all I've ever done is win. All I
do is win The problem is now you're just losing
and you had a team that didn't even get one

(53:25):
hundred yards of offense today, and I you know, typically
like Willy May's on the Mets, you know some of
these famous players that and I'm not comparing. I wouldn't
compare Pete Carroll quite to Willy Mays, but you know
what I mean. You know, if Lebron next year finished

(53:45):
his career like the Atlanta Hawks or whatever, sometimes things
happen and you just forget about him with time. And
it is true, like this season is not going to
define Pete Carroll's career by any means. Super Bowl champions,
a National champion, He's coached and drafted Hall of Fame players,
Heisman Trophy winning players, legend. But it's over. And this

(54:10):
is a guy that should have just rode off in
the sunset, been a rich guy, enjoyed himself in southern California.
Maybe todd a class at USC, hung out by the beach,
maybe done some TV for Fox and Studio if he
needed to get his football at Chahn. But he was adamant,
like I have to coach, and it shows you which
I do respect that I would put Belichick it's you know,

(54:32):
Belichick's it feels like a little more scandalous with the
Jordan Hudson thing, but like these guys just couldn't tap out.
They just refused to go, and sometimes you just gotta go,
and he didn't. Oh, I also wanted to hit on
one more thing. Philip rivers, he cried after the game.
I actually think he gave a really good message that

(54:57):
he basically admitted that he was a little nervous in question,
like was a little scared, like what was gonna look like?
And my first, you know, reaction was it actually was
way better than I thought. And there was this picture
of him before the game where he probably looked. My
guess is he weighs two hundred and sixty five to two
hundred seventy pounds. I mean, Phillip's an enormous guy. Like

(55:17):
two hundred and seventy pounds on him actually isn't that big,
but it's definitely way bigger than he used to be.
He's never moved great his arms, you know, it was
never great either, but probably not as good as it
was ten years ago. But its functional, I guess. And
he went out there and tried and I think a

(55:37):
lot of people in his position were like, I'm not
gonna go out there and embarrass myself because the easiest
thing is to go take the worst case scenario, and
that's not what he did. And he's teary eyed after
the game, I think because he's like, this was I
bet he didn't sleep this much or much this week
right anticipating this. His brother's there, his son's there, and

(56:01):
the video of his team in Fair Hope, Alabama watching
the game cheering for him. He throws the touchdown, he
gives a big fist pump. He was basically dunking and
duncan all game. I also think a huge part of
signing him and playing him was trying to give life
to the team, like a huge part of being a
head coach or a GM when you hear like you've

(56:24):
got to know your locker room and know how the
players are thinking, are responding. They had to be teetering
on just all quitting, because once Daniel Jones goes out,
Anthey Richson is injured, Riley Lonards also injured, it's like,
what do we even do? What was this all for?
And Philip Rivers, I think a lot of people, including myself,

(56:45):
kind of laughed at it. I mean, it was insane.
They signed a forty four year old high school coach
who hadn't played in the NFL in five years. But
I felt like a couple quarters in every single quarterback,
former quarterback, whether at college or definitely in the NFL
in their forties and their fifties were watching that game
and had a little smile, and part of them had

(57:06):
to be like, could I still do that? Could I
still throw a couple first downs? I mean, there was
that viral video of Vinnie Testaverdi with John Gruden getting
down doing the hard count, and you could just see
it in his eyes as he went on and on.
It's like, God, Vinnie, if you needed a third and eight,
Vinnie thinks it deep down in his mind he'd give
it to you. And Philip even mentioned it after the

(57:29):
game when they said what was it like to get hit?
He's like, honestly, I wanted to get hit. I told
my wife a couple of years ago one thing I
miss is releasing the ball and getting blasted by a
defensive lineman. My wife's like, you're sick, and he's like,
I know, I am. Part of it is it doesn't
hurt as much. I mean, he's Philip Rivers is exactly
Bryce Young. I mean he is a massive human being.

(57:50):
I just thought that was a cool moment. It was
cool they kicked that sixty yard field goal. Now part
of it at the end of games now when you
leave a team forty fifty six seconds, even if they
don't have timeouts. With this, with this new kickoff rule,
is you're gonna get the ball at minimum at the

(58:11):
thirty and a lot of times I like the forty.
So you're just like one big completion away from kicking
a game winning field goal, which is exactly what happened.
And last but not least, Monday Night Football, I'm taking
the Miami Dolphins plus three on the road freezing conditions,
partly because they don't need to or to throw. They

(58:31):
have been winning without them run the ball why. I
also like a chan multiple touchdowns. I'm going the Dolphins
plus three. I'm going eight chan multiple touchdowns, and the
fighting Mike McDaniels potentially get back to seven and seven
be one of the great stories in the NFL. Audios

(58:51):
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