3 & Out - Dart starting in NY, Cowboys-Packers Preview, Gundy OUT at Oklahoma State

On the latest episode of 3 & Out with John Middlekauff, John dives into a packed slate of football storylines. He breaks down the New York decision to officially name Jaxson Dart the starter, what it means for the team moving forward, and how the QB fits in long-term. John also looks ahead to a massive NFC showdown as the Packers head to Dallas—with Micah returning to the Cowboys in one of the biggest storylines of the week. Plus, he reacts to the stunning news that Mike Gundy has been fired at Oklahoma State, what went wrong in Stillwater, and what’s next for the program.

04:32 - Dart named starter in NY

19:40 - Packers-Cowboys

23:14 - Mike Gundy fired from Oklahoma State

38:10 - Mailbag

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecalf three and out podcast? That would be me.

(00:22):
And we had some news today, still coming down a
little bit from that Monday night football game, but the
news that came out today came from the New York
Football Giants. Jackson dart is going to start and Russell
Wilson headed to the Pine. So we will discuss that situation,
how it affects day ball, the ownership, Will they look

(00:45):
different big picture when it comes to the quarterback coach relationship.
Does Brian Dabile have to win immediately to keep his job?
And if he does, that's a problem if you're a
Giants fan for the way they're building this thing, because
you shouldn't take quarterbacks. Dive into all that as well
as Micah Parson's headed back to Dallas with the Green
Bay Packers, who are big favorites against the Dallas Cowboys,

(01:08):
who are going to be without Ceedee Lamb at least
based on by the time I'm recording this, because all
reports he's missing some time. And Mike Gundhy I'm a man,
I'm forty was fired today from Oklahoma State. So a
couple quick thoughts there as well. We'll also do a
mail bag at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the
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(02:40):
I think you could relate this to a relationship that
any one of you listening that have been dumped or
dumped someone. The power of love, hate, anger, those emotions
are really powerful, right And anytime you're in love with
someone and they're not in love with you, or vice versa,

(03:02):
and they stop caring, especially when you screw up and
you've done something done, and apathy seeks in when they
just move on and literally are not emotionally moved at
all by anything you do. You're done. You're just done.
And anyone knows, like she could hate you, you still
got a chance. When she doesn't care, you got no shot.

(03:23):
And I think sports can be like that too, And obviously,
depending on your market, there's a ferver like, let's face it,
you can lose in the Northeast and people are still
pretty dialed in, right people. The interest in Philly, in Boston,
in New York when they're losing is a lot different
than where I'm from in northern California. I've done radio
when the forty nine ers were the butt of everyone's

(03:46):
joke in the league after Jim Harbaugh. It was not
fun and it definitely wasn't profitable because people didn't listen,
people didn't care. Apathy sets in on the West Coast
when it comes to sports really really quick. But I
bet if you went to the SEC right now and
he went to Florida, like their season is a disaster,
They're gonna lose a ton of games, but the interest
levels really high because they think their coach is gonna

(04:07):
get fired. A coaching list who can we hire? Can
we get Gruden? Could we get Lane? There's a lot
of interest, and not every market is like that. And
I'll never forget a scene in private parts the movie
with Howard Stern and Paul Giamatti, who played like his
program director, which is the guy that runs the station,

(04:28):
hated him. Howard and his crew had a nickname for
him called pig Vonnt. We actually stole that nickname when
I was in radio and called this guy that was
technically a boss that too, because we hated him so much.
We love that line by Howard, but this is in
the late nineties and he just can't get over how

(04:49):
Howard is having success. So they basically like have this
research group, like I think they do with movies, to
come in, watch the movie and then get feedback. And
this little exchange the movie was the researcher telling Paul Giamatti,
whose character's name was Kenny, his reaction. He said, the
average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes a day. The

(05:10):
average Howard Stern fan listens for are you ready for this?
An hour and twenty minutes? And Kenny goes, well, how
could this be? And the researcher says, well, most commonly
these people say I want to see what he'll say next.
And then Giomotti goes, okay, but what about the people

(05:30):
who hate Howard Stern? And the response was this, good point,
The average Howard Stern hater listens for two and a
half hours. Think about that. You could argue that hate
sometimes and anger and listen, you see it in this
political climate is definitely a more powerful emotion than love,

(05:53):
which is kind of a sad state of where we're at,
but it's true. You know, controversy sells. I think our
biggest YouTube video I've ever done since doing you know,
we created a YouTube channel a year and a half ago,
is Shador Sanders dropping in the draft. Think about that.
It's not reacting to some awesome game, some playoff game,

(06:14):
some guy getting hired. It's typically guys getting fired talking
about people losing. Shador Sanders dropping in a draft. It's
what people are drawn to, like I don't make the rules,
and Howard Stern was a great example of that a
long long time ago. Of like people that claim that
they hate them listen longer, and I think when fans,

(06:36):
there's an anger level when you're losing, right, But then
there gets to a point where if you never stop losing,
you go, why am I watching this? Is not fun?
I'm not getting anything out of this. An apathy sense
in where people just stop paying attention. And at the
end of the day, when you own one of these teams,
you're guaranteed to make money, like the New York Giants

(06:57):
cannot lose money. It's literally impossible because they can't go
high enough on their salary cap to every getting close
to even breaking even. And obviously your players are your
biggest expenses. But you can get to a point where
it feels like in a market where the Knicks are
now a really big deal and are going to be
a team heading into this season to be favored to

(07:19):
not only compete to win the East, but one of
the better teams in the NBA. Yankees are a playoff team. Mets.
I have a checked the standings. They are they a
playoff team too. I'm pretty sure they are a lot
going on in New York City. Ryder cups there, and
it feels like the New York Giants are an afterthought,
just a couple of years removed from winning a playoff game.

(07:40):
And this move and this is where I think it
gets complicated. If you are going to allow Brian Day
Bowl and I said this, you can't get mad at
Russell Wilson what we witnessed last week, which I think
a lot of people would say, like, how do you
throw it out of bounds on fourth down to end
the game? How does that happen? How's he in the game.
That's on the coach, that's on Brian Dable. You could

(08:04):
argue Brian Daball just starting Russell Wilson is also on
the coach. He should have just started Jackson Dart from
the jump and lived with the ups and downs. But
I also think it falls on the guy that's paying
Brian Daball, the owner, because if you're gonna allow a
guy quote unquote on the hot seat and a guy
that feels like he's somewhat coaching for his job, to

(08:27):
hand pick a quarterback in the first round and then
allow him to pick and choose when he plays him
early in the season, and go with the guy Russell
Wilson who was it felt like over the hill several
years ago. You have to give that guy multiple years
if you don't want your organization to become even a
bigger joke. Because I would argue this, if you're gonna

(08:47):
allow Brian Daball in this organization to run a rookie
quarterback out there, guy that you just drafted in the
first round, a guy that he personally wanted, you gotta
give it like thirty games. You basically got to give
it this year and next to at least see what
it looks like, because we have seen some legendary people.
I mean, look who's calling Monday Night football, Troy Aigman.

(09:10):
Anyone watched that Netflix documentary, it couldn't have gone any
worse after year one. I think Troy was quoted in
that documentary like I wasn't even feeling great about my
status as the starter moving forward, like I didn't know
how my career was going to go. Peyton Manning had
one of the worst rookie seasons you'll ever see. They
barely won, set a record for interceptions, but you got

(09:33):
time and I think most people would go, well, what
if Jackson dar only wins a couple games the rest
of the season, right, how much promise can you really
show for Brian Dable to be safe? But if you
fire Brian Daball and then just bring more coaches in,
This is exactly what Kevin O'Connell is talking about. Organizations
fail players as much as and listen, we have an

(09:55):
example of JaMarcus Russell and Johnny Manziel and Ryan Leaf,
guys that torpedo their own career, But there have been
a lot of guys that failed, that tried really hard,
that just had turmoil after turmoil, after coach and OC
and GMS and just moving parts new schemes. That's not
a healthy way to play. Ask Patrick Mahomes what it's

(10:17):
like every single day since he's been in the league
walking into a meeting room where Andy Reid is. It's
a huge benefit. And I just think that the Giants
have to be very careful they made this move, and
I would imagine there was pressure because the ownership couldn't
have been this dumb to realize people were checking out.

(10:38):
People went I'm done, and this isn't one of those
where it's like I'm fake done. Well, I'm just mad
at you. Like if you're a Patriot fan right now,
you're kind of down because your expectations are pretty but
you're not done, Like you're pretty interested in the other.
But if you're a Giants fan, you're like if Russell
Wilson he's playing, I'm not turning on this game. It's
like those text you center, she ain't texting you back anymore,
She's on dates with other people, doesn't give a shit

(11:00):
about you. She's waking up next to other dudes like
it's over. And that's the Giants had to have that
understanding of like we are down this lane where people
just truly do not care, because I think there's that
first like I don't care, but it's a lie, but
you do kind of care, and then you cross that
line where it's like I'm out, and this is the

(11:22):
way you bring everyone back in, which is the right
move from a business standpoint, from just a football standpoint,
but now big picture of the way to do it right.
You basically got to give Brian dab All two years
this year and next, or else you risk ruining this
guy's career, ruining this guy's you know, ability to get
it going. Because whoever you were to hire, Let's say

(11:43):
you win five games this year and you fired the
head coach, You're only gonna interview people that have good
things to say about Jackson Dark. Guess what people say
in interviews. They say lies to try to get that job,
not saying there wouldn't be some people that would take
the job that like them. But even if you were
indifferent on the player, you would fake it to get

(12:03):
the gig. So I think the Giants now Jackson dart
starter moving forward, but as obviously as long as he's
healthy and live with the ups and downs. There's probably
gonna be some downs. Hopefully there are several ups that
enough to show some progress and hope for next year.
But I think you have to let the coach who

(12:24):
is an offensive guy that wanted this guy give him
ample time. And I'm not chilling for Brian Dabele. Hell,
a couple of years ago, I walked into an elevator
at the Combine and I said, I wouldn't be shocked
if Brian Dabele glit into me right now, because I
had I said something that kind of went viral about
the way him and Wink and the coaches and listen

(12:46):
I said it. It was a true statement. But if
he was mad, like he's fine, I was ready. I
was like, I'm just gonna take it. You know. He didn't.
He just kind of looked at me, smiled, and maybe
he didn't even realize. But regardles like, I'm not some
huge Brian day ball supporter, but he deserves to get
ample time with his hand picked quarterback because they do

(13:07):
have some positive things going. Malik Neighbors, freak show, Skataboo,
beast defensive front, awesome players. Hell, Even Keeveon Thibodeau looks
good for the first time, I think, and since like college,
where I even thought he was kind of an overrated player.
But it's gonna be fascinating to watch this happen because
I think they made this move and there's probably pressure

(13:28):
applied for business purposes, which I'm never against in a
situation when you suck like I was never against Miami
tanking like Brian Flores winning those three of the last
five games was the worst thing they've ever done as
a franchise, cost him Joe Burrow, and then they didn't
even pick the right guy in Justin Herbert. So it's

(13:49):
gonna be it's gonna be interesting to watch how this
plays out the rest of the year and if people
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The Green Bay Packers are rolling into Dallas. It's my
favorite bet of the week. I would be stunned. Cede
Lamb is out at least I'm recording this on Tuesday reports,
so he's gonna miss you know, three to four weeks,
so he's not gonna play in this game. You saw
dramatically how different they look than when they're CD and
George pickens for Dak to throw to with some of
the other randoms to win CD gone. Their offense is

(16:01):
gonna be good enough, and we know their defense is putrid.
Green Bay's coming off an embarrassing loss to Cleveland, not
embarrassing that they were looked like they were gonna win
ten to three at one point. Who cares. Cleveland has
a great defense, But Jordan throws a bad pick, they
get a field goal block, like they should have won
that game. Honestly, the only way they lose is him

(16:23):
throwing an interception. But I think Green Bay is going
to come into this game with their hair on fire.
But the story's gonna be as Micah Parsons returns. And
you know, Jerry had some comments today that he thought
that by waiting they got more in return with trading
Micah Parsons. That's where I would disagree. I think if

(16:43):
he would have put him on the block, I have
no problem with him trading the player. I think we
can all agree if Jerry had given Micah Parsons one
hundred and eighty million dollars and he was on this defense,
they would not be that much better because they can't
cover a soul and Micah can't sack the quarterback every
single play. This team would not have been good with
or without him. They're obviously worse without Micah Parsons, but

(17:07):
he was not the difference of them being a playoff
team or not. I think we can universally agree on that.
But it's gonna be ugly. It's gonna look really bad,
and Mike is gonna sack back maybe a couple times.
And part of making a tough move like this, like
when Jerry maguire goes, looks around and says, who's coming
with me? Any human being when they're young that leaves

(17:28):
a job to try to do their own thing. Anyone
is like, listen, I'm dating a girl that's out of
my league, but I don't like her, and you leave her.
You know, when you check the internet, when you see
your buddies out early on, it could be ugly. Times
could be tough, and you gotta be thick skinned to
make tough decisions. And anytime in sports, when you trade

(17:48):
a guy that's clearly one of the best, even if
big picture is the right move, it's it's gonna look.
It can't look much worse. I can't imagine on Sunday,
You're gonna be getting your ass kicked. He's gonna be
lying around. Your team looks like it's headed nowhere fast,
and their team looks like it's headed to compete in
the NFC Championship. And this is where I think the

(18:08):
Cowboys are a little lucky that Jerry's the guy making
these decisions. He's the owner, he's the GM, he's the
Grand Pooba. And sometimes when a GM makes these type
decisions that all the whole fan base turns on them,
and then the owner, even if he agreed with them,
has to turn on him too. But what are you
gonna do scream a Jerry some more like Jerry and't
getting rid of the team. Jerry ain't fired himself, So

(18:32):
Jerry's lucky that by making this move, they only have
him to scream at, and he clearly doesn't give a shit,
so I would expect. I don't think I've liked the
game this much this season as much, especially when you
talking like seven eight points to cover on the road.
I can't see the Cowboys keeping this within ten boys.
I really can't, especially once Green Bay, whose defense is

(18:55):
really good, has a week to plan for no ceede lamp.
I could see the Cowboys struggling to score like fifteen
points with him gone. And defensively, even if your offensive struggling,
they are the team to play. Just ask Caleb william
and Ben Johnson. Okay, we'll end on this because Mike
Gundy's rant, I'd have to go back and look, that

(19:18):
was what he's fifty eight. That was eighteen years ago,
so that was like two thousand and seven. You know
social media Facebook was around, but Twitter, Instagram, that would
have been as viral. That was a viral moment in
times when it was harder to go viral. Right, it's
much easier to go viral because of the algorithms now TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, whatever.

(19:41):
But that was as legendary of a rant as there's
ever been in the history of sports. And it's something
anyone who's a little younger than me and obviously older
than me, will never forget till the day we die.
When you say Mike Gundy, the first thing you think
of is, I'm a man, I'm forty right, talk to me.

(20:04):
That rant that he had and that Orange Polo was
a defining moment for a guy that's a legendary coach.
And I look today. You know, he went on a
ran a couple of weeks ago that they were about
to play Oregon, and he said, it's not really a
fair fight. And I think you know Dan Lanning, who
said in a respectable way, and they beat the living

(20:26):
crap out of him. I think the final score is
like sixty nine to three or sixty three to three.
I mean they I had a buddy in the NFL
that said he watched the tape of that game. And
obviously in college football throughout the year, you're gonna see
some blowouts, but typically it's like you know, when Oregon
plays UC Davis, right, or Ohio State plays San Diego State.

(20:47):
When you see these like fifty five to zeros, you
see two Power four teams playing and just a couple
of years ago Oklahoma State won ten games. They're program that.
Over the course of Gundy's career, he's won twelve Bowl games.
His career, in eighteen bowl games, he's won twelve of them.
His record is one hundred and seventy to ninety. Like,
this guy's won double digit games. I think like seven

(21:08):
or eight times. This guy's a winner. And for him
to get embarrassed a couple weeks ago when he said,
like it's a money thing. They got way more money
than we do. And the irony is at one point
in time, ten fifteen years ago, Oklahoma State, when t
boone Pickens was alive, they would have crushed the nil
era Texas Tech. I would say before nil never beats Utah.

(21:30):
They can't beat him because they can't match their physicality.
It would have been an unreal matchup for Utah. But
then what did Texas Tech do. They had this guy
who became a billionaire because of oil who played there
and says I'll fund the program, So what do they
do when the transfer portal opened, they started paying defensive linemen. Well.
In the history of the program, especially since it got

(21:52):
good once Mike Leech showed up, they never recruited those
type players because twofold One those players didn't take their
program seriously, and two they had no chance to land
them even if they were giving him ten twenty k
brown backs. Those guys were going to Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, Georgia, LSU.
Now they get them, and they went to Utah and

(22:13):
they manhandled them. A Utah team that has multiple guys
that are going to be starters on the offensive line
in the National Football League next year. NIL changed College
Football t boone. Pickens is dead. So Oklahoma State's advantage
of having money supporting the program and being it it
doesn't really exist like it once did. So when you

(22:34):
saw them versus Oregon ten years ago in this landscape,
it might have been an even fight, and maybe Mike
Gundy could have bought those defensive linemen, but he can't now.
So you see this guy that played there from eighty
six to eighty nine, that then coached there from nineteen
ninety to ninety five and then came back in two
thousand and one and then became the head coach when
Les Miles left in two thousand and five. He spent

(22:56):
more than half his life. He's fifty eight years old
as a coach coach, and you know, four years as
a quarterback for Oklahoma State. So I can't imagine even
though it's not going well. I think he is four
and eleven since the start of last year, and they
did not win a conference game in twenty twenty four.
They went h to nine in the Big Twelve, which

(23:17):
obviously the Big Twelve. It's weird. It's not as good
as the SEC or the Big Ten, but in terms
of top to bottom, it's a pretty tough conference. He
didn't win a fucking game, and he looks like he
might go winless again. So sometimes, like not all divorces
are the wrong decision. I've been saying this with Mike
Tomlin forever, like it'd be healthy to go somewhere else.

(23:40):
Go coach the New York Giants, Go coach the New
York Jets, Go coach the Chicago Bears. You're just holding
onto something that doesn't look like it's going in the
right direction. Andy Reid getting fired from the Philadelphia Eagles
is the best thing that's ever happened to him professionally
by far. Look what's happened in Kansas City. He's become
like the chubby Bill Walsh. Well like at the time,

(24:01):
and now it sucks. Getting fired happened to me. Sure
people listening have been laid off or fired. It sucks
cause there's I always thought as a kid, the only
way you get fired to show it up late, being lazy,
being a d bag. Well, there's some industries like no,
it's like management change. Things change. You could be the
hardest worker, smartest guy, most productive guy, but if like
someone doesn't like you, someone wants you gone. Like there

(24:23):
are a lot of variables and nothing more than football coaching. Gottlieb,
who played there, was like, you know, over the years,
you make some enemies, and the longer you stay, the
more enemies you accumulate. And after a while, when you
start losing, that enemy lists from two or three guys
has grown to like fifteen, and they can get you
and they can put a nail in your coffin. And

(24:43):
that's what happened. I imagine it sucks because of what
he invested. I saw a week ago you know Dabbo's
rant of like I'm a human being, I'm not this
hurts this place. I've been here for twenty three years.
These guys, the passion and how much they care about
their university, Like, I don't think it's lip service. They've
obviously they make a lot of money right so that

(25:04):
they're not doing it out of the goodness of their heart.
They're paid premiums. But I've been around these college football
coach especially guys like you're talking about two guys that
have a combined like fifty five years of experience at
their universities, like it matters to them, but it's also
was time. Like I think this about Dabblos Sweeney. If
you know what I'd be doing if I was Dabbo,
and I would imagine he's not doing this yet, I'd

(25:26):
be telling my agent tell Florida were in it's time,
I'm moving on, and who knows, maybe Florida, Like you're
gonna do better in Dabbos Sweeney. You're gonna find a
guy with better in his resume. You take the risk
on John Gruden over Dabbos Sweeney, because that's what I
would do if I was Dabbo I'd pivot, but it's
easier said than done. I have no emotional connection. But

(25:47):
it also shows you like you can be as loyal
and as it happened to Pat Fitzgerald, who I've known
a couple of people because I worked with him with
the Eagles that worked under him. Pat Fitzgerald wasn't like liked,
He was below loved by a staff and people that
played for the respect level that people had for that man,
and the moment that hazing thing came down, they kicked

(26:08):
him to the curb. Luckily, you know, I mean, I
don't necessarily care, but he sued the shit out of
them and just won a lot of money. But no
one had Northwestern like essentially tattooed on his forehead or
the love and the passion, and they turned on because
you don't know. In the university, you're an at will.
Obviously you're under contract, but they can get rid of

(26:29):
you whenever they see fit, and they have to pay
you whatever they owe you in the contract. But I
think my Gundhy and Dabbo were to learn this lesson.
Everyone is selectively loyal, and that's the way businesses and
the best things that have happened in my life is
getting kicked to the curb a couple times in my
late twenties and early thirties, and teach me just how

(26:50):
cutthroat that. Because you can read all these books, you
can listen to youtubes, you can follow all these you
know people online, talk to people, but until it happens
to you, My Gunny's never been fired. Mike Gundy's been
making He's probably made a hundred million dollars over the
last five or six years. Mike Gundy has lived like
a king. And then you walk into an office and

(27:10):
they tell you pack up your shit, you're done. I
don't care who you are, Like, that's that's a kick
in that, you know what. So I just think that
college football has changed dramatically, and if you're coaching at
the schools with a big time money, you have a
big advantage to win and there's basically no excuse not
to win. I think Texas Tech now falls into this category.

(27:31):
They've been a productive program over the years. Now they
got big money, and anything less than like ten to
eleven wins is beyond a disappointment. And by all accounts,
Joey Maguire, the coach there, looks like he's headed toward
I mean the playoffs as he should be. He has
a roster with a bunch of NFL guys on it.
And I think Mike Gundy, who kind of got, as

(27:52):
the kids would say, dragged a little bit a couple
weeks ago when he played Oregon with his comments, well,
just speaking the truth, we don't have that money here, don't.
We can't land the players because are they going there
because they love Dan Lanning. Listen, I'm pro Dan Lanning,
but it's much easier to get guys to say yes
when you're giving them a lot of money. It's you

(28:13):
want nine hundred thousand dollars, you want seven hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, you want this car, and the other
program's not where are you gonna go? That's what this
sport has turned into, which I've become numb to. I'm
cool with, but I think we have to acknowledge like
when Oregon plays Penn State, they're equals. They're both spending
a ton of money, but when they play some of
these other programs, they're not on equal footing when it
comes to money. And if you're at one of those programs,

(28:35):
that job now like Oklahoma State used to be a
good job. I'd argue it's one of the shittier jobs
in the country now. If they're not gonna financially back it,
you got no shot none. Don't even try it, do.
I think Vanderbilt is just now randomly good. Obviously the
coach is pretty interesting, clerkly, But I would imagine if
we dug, you know, beneath the surface guests, who has

(28:56):
gone to Vanderbilt over the years, rich people, who do
you think is helping fund the program? Money? You can't
function anymore without without big cash flow. It's like the NFL.
The difference is all the NFL teams because they're valuations,
because the media deals have money. There's no such thing
as equality in college sports. Ohio State and Notre Dame

(29:18):
and USC and Texas have a financial advantage under the
rules we play under now that is dramatically different than
some of these other programs, and more power to them
for taking advantage of it. But we have to just
acknowledge that, like Mike Gundy's a product currently of like
did he just get dumb overnight? After all those twelve

(29:40):
win seasons, ten win seasons, nine win seasons, you know,
go in toe to toe with Oklahoma over the years
winning Bowl games. No, they don't have the financial wherewithal
to compete anymore. And so whoever takes this job, godspeed,
because I don't think you're gonna win many games. Okay,

(30:11):
I got so many mail bag questions at John middlecoff
is my Instagram. I was like, you know what, We've
had a busy day, We've put out a lot of stuff.
But let's do a mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John
Middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire in those dms, get your
question answered here on the show. And I want to
start with this question because I thought it was fascinating
and I thought it was an extra excellent kind of

(30:34):
thought provoker, and it was would you rather have Howie
Roseman or the best NFL coach if you were starting
a franchise? And I thought about it because I saw
this question in my inbox probably yesterday. I think it's
a little like quarterback, right. I think you could argue
that Miles Garrett, like if you're just looking at like,

(30:55):
you know, this is a question over a period of time.
But let's say Miles Garrett was younger, he's a better
player than I don't know if they're thirty two starting
quarterbacks twenty eight of them, right, that's how impactfully is
Yet you would probably take ten quarterbacks over him, maybe

(31:17):
even more. Why look at the Browns. They got him,
and as Kevin Stefanski says, he's the defensive player of
the year in perpetuity. He's clearly the most dominant, unstoppable player.
Right when he tries and is healthy, he can't be blocked.
Even Jordan Mylatta, who joint practiced against when the Eagles
joint practice against the Browns, said their offensive line room

(31:38):
was laughing about how good he was, Like it was stupid.
Yet you wouldn't take him over obviously, Mahomes, Allen Lamar,
Herbert Burrow of healthy that crew. But I think you
could argue the next tier guys because you could have
a great pass rusher, but you have no quarterback. He
got no shot. How he's an elite general manager, and
I think there are other guys that would fall under

(31:59):
this category as well. But you would take an elite
head coach, you know, I think anyone in this scenario
would take the coach, the top coach in any in
any era. Andy Reid Bill Walsh, you name it. I
think you would take the top six or seven coaches,
and specifically for this exercise, the offensive ones the call plays.

(32:22):
Their value is really high. So you got Andy Reid,
you know, you got McVeigh, you got Shanahan. I mean,
these guys are proven winners, right. I think the thing
with Lafleur, you'd go, well, the Packers, the organization that
that would be up in the air. You know, Sean
Payton is pretty powerful to have that guy, you know, Harbaugh,
while he doesn't call plays like, he's kind of proven

(32:44):
now wherever he's going, he's winning wherever he's going. So
I would throw him in that mix, you know. But
then there would be guys like Dan Campbell I like
a lot. But how much you know it was a
partnership with Brad Holmes, right, brat Holmes is clearly picking
the players, right. Listen, this is where the Sirianni thing.
No one if you had to choose with the Eagles,

(33:05):
Howie Roseman or Nick Sirianni, it would be there wouldn't
be a soul that would choose Sirianni, right, And but
that's more of an indication how great how he is
but I think you would take a lot of coaches,
and I think how He'd be the first to tell
you that. You know, they spend a lot of money
on assistant coaches, right they can. They have, you know,

(33:27):
from Doug to Nick. You know those guys are probably
more plug and play type coaches, but they are spending premiums.
Jeff Stoutlin makes a ton of money. He's the highest
paid offensive line coach in the league. Vic Fangio makes
a ton of money so that they pay premiums for
certain individuals on the staff, So you can't I guess

(33:51):
that's a long winded way of saying. I think there'd
be the number would be under ten, but there would
be way more than one coach going before how he
was picked? Great question. Why do offensive coaches seem to
not give a shit about special teams? The Rams and
Niners in particular have lost multiple games the last few

(34:12):
years due to what seems to be an indifference to
that unit, giving up not one, but two block field
goals to lose a game against a team you were
working in the first sixty five percent of the game,
and then McVeigh talking about offensive mistakes instead of how
dog shit is field goal unit was doesn't make any sense.

(34:33):
I'll never doubt him, But he and Shanahan and others
quote unquote geniuses. They care more about special They need
to care more about special teams. Do you think they're
just arrogant or don't practice enough? I think it's simple.
Is these guys care about schematically drawing up the offense
and they like defense right. Both those two guys, for example,

(34:54):
Jared versus Nick Bosa, mikel Williams, brain and Fisk like that.
They invest resources and these they value the defensive line
really highly, which I respect. That's, you know, the older
version of them. Andy Reid has always been like that,
cares about the line of scrimmage and specifically defensive lineman.
I think there is a nature to defensive coaches that

(35:15):
you utilize a lot of their guys on special teams
right to open field, tackle to shed blocks, and I
think that element of football, defensive guys gravitate more towards
special teams because there's a physical nature. There's a tackling
nature separate from the kicker and the punter, who most

(35:37):
defensive or offensive coaches aren't necessarily relating to. I don't
think it's an arrogance. I think it's I don't relate
to that style of football and I don't take it
seriously in the sense of I don't like it right
and I can't even fake it. And both those guys
are good examples of you know, Kyle said this offseason.

(35:58):
I'm sure McVeigh has talked about it. I don't care
what you say. The most overrated thing and you learn
this as you get older. Are words like you know
I've seen from Marias She's like, I take nothing seriously
until we get pen to paper in a real estate transaction, right,
and like you can say anything about anyone in business,

(36:19):
but it's like, well it is the deal signed? Is
it done? And so many of these coaches like I
care about special teams and then I watch your units
are terrible year in year out. Yet a lot of
these defensive coaches are special teams units typically are good.
Why because what do they practice more often probably tackling
that that mindset it like the coach is there if
you went to a special teams practice, and I can't.

(36:39):
I've never been to a RAMS practice, but I've been
to my fair Shriff Kyle Shanahan practice he does. He
doesn't pay attention, he does not give a shit, and
he can't fake it, which I respect as long as
you admit like, yeah, I don't care, I don't know
anything about it. I'm we got to pay a special
team's coach a lot of money to handle that, and
I think they attempted to do that this year. You

(36:59):
know the rams before is have they had Bones back
in the day who was pretty good, But I don't know.
I think they would just they just can't relate to
that unit as human beings. And it starts with the
kicker in the punter. I just think they hate those
two positions. They think it's such a waste. It's like
that's the game, guys. Uh. Question for the mailback. Has

(37:21):
Russell Wilson played himself out of Hall of Fame contention
since leaving Seattle. I just don't remember a guy's career
going from such stardom to so much negativity as this player. Right. Typically,

(37:42):
it just ends you get old Manning Roethlisberger. It's like
no one's really breeze. People will forget that last year
them struggling to throw right. You just remember the good times,
how great they were, but you look at Russell Wilson.
He someone pointed this out to me the other day.
He's been a ten Pro Bowls, ten Walter Peyton Man

(38:04):
of the Year, He's been an All Pro, obviously a
Super Bowl champion. He's led the league in passing yards
and passer ratings and passing touchdowns. Like he said, some
legendary seasons. If you just watched him from an eye
test standpoint, he had just twenty twenty five, thirty four
and eight thirty four and eleven thirty five and seven
forty and thirteen. Like, he had some massive years where

(38:26):
he was just one of the most dynamic players in
the league. But I think two factors. Felt like the
team didn't love him, felt like the best players on
his team, I don't know, resented him, and then Pete
and John completely turned on. And then obviously the way
these last three or four years have gone, I would say,
in the peak of his powers, he was undoubtedly a

(38:47):
Hall of Famer, But if you look at the total
body of work, I just think, you know, like, if
Eli Manning's gonna get in, then he's got to get in.
And as someone pointed out, well, if Matt Stafford is
in the conversation. Then Russell Wilson has to get in.
So do I think he ends up getting in? I do.

(39:08):
I've always said this, I'd have no problem if we
didn't let any of them in, Like it'd be like Rogers,
Brady Manning, Mahomes, like Marino Elway in Montana. I'd keep
my list farve. My list would be short, Aikman Young
like you'd have to like check every box. But that's

(39:30):
not the way it is. They let in too many guys.
In my opinion, it should be a lot of Dion
Sanders and Lawrence Taylor's and Ed Reid's, but we've diluted
it a little bit. And that's my respect to how
great the elite guys are. They shouldn't have to share
that room with other people, but they do. What are
performance by the Lions question for the mailbag, Dan Campbell

(39:54):
and Sirianni were both mocked for their opening press conferences,
and Rake ranked behind coaching hires like Arthur Smith, Urban
Meyer and Brandon Staley. They have taken teams into Baltimore
and physically beat up the Ravens. Both have gone into
Arrowhead and won, and both are perennial powerhouses. And both

(40:15):
do this with quarterbacks most people don't think are that good.
I know they don't have the long resume yet, but
it's hard to argue a coach like Mike Tomlin is
better Right now, I can argue that Campbell or Sirianni
could have gotten the Ravens or Bills over the hump
by now. I think Reied McVeigh and Kyle are by
far the top tier, but it's hard not to put

(40:38):
them in the mix with the hardballs Pete Carroll's, Sean
Payton's Where would you rank them based on how the
coaches are right now? I think when we talk about
goffin Jalen, the argument more is like, especially with Jalen,
should he be in the top tier mix? And I
think any logical argument is he's not as good as
those guys, though he's winning. That's fair. And I justink

(41:01):
the same thing with Gough, though both guys can beat
whoever they're playing on any given week and their teams
are really good. I do think what and I said
this last night, what Campbell and I'd say Brad Holmes
have done the Lions were like the losing his franchises,
franchise of the two thousands. You couldn't have lost more

(41:22):
games than them. The twenty tens, even with Stafford and
Dominican Sue and Calvin Johnson, they were awful. They had
a well under five hundred record. So those guys got
there and resurrected this franchise. Now, the Eagles had hit
hard times for like a year and a half and
had Howie Roseman, an established guy. And I'm not trying

(41:42):
to diminish Sirianni, but I would take Campbell over Sirianni
if all things are equal. Now, if I get Howie Roseman, sure,
I mean I can take any coach, That's what it
feels like. So I think comparing Sirianni and Dan Campbell,
even though Syrianni just won a super Bowl. You know,
people everyone wins with Philadelphia. Chip Kelly, who I think

(42:03):
is not a very good, you know, football coach, would
not want him to be my offensive coordinator. I didn't
love that hire by Pete Carroll, but he won twenty
games and back, you know, in two year stretch with
the Philadelphia Eagles. People win with Philly. Owner pays just
an incredible organization. It's like if John Harbaugh got fired
next year, whoever came into Baltimore's gonna win. You know

(42:25):
why you win now? Where I do agree, like Dan
Campbell is definitely better right now than Mike Tomlin. I
would take Dan Campbell over Mike Tomlin. Uh And I
think it'd be hard to argue. I mean, Sirianni's just
winning at a really high clip. I do think there's
more variables working for Sirianni than some Like the Lion's

(42:46):
owner just turned one hundred today, Martha Ford. It's not
I wouldn't call it the most dynamic organization in the league.
I mean, Jeffrey Lowie's writing checks. They're manipulating the salary
cap to load their roster. But I hear what you're saying.
I think it's part of the society we live in too,

(43:06):
like who's hot who's not? You know, I think Jim
Harbaugh is like validating how well it's going. But like
Jim Harbaugh's wins, should anyone be shocked that he's winning? Right?
He's an elite coach. He would win with any GM Like,
to me, that's powerful. So you could argue beside Andy Reid,

(43:27):
who has two and a half plus decades of winning,
the guy that you feel the most confident. If you
had a coaching draft, would be Jim Harbad number two.
I think Andy Reid would be universal the number one pick.
I think if you wanted to have the highest floor,
it'd be Jim Harbaugh. He's one of everybody. Random quarterbacks

(43:47):
at Stanford in Michigan, Alex Smith, Kaepernick, you give him
a good one. Herbert Shit, how many games he won
the last two years? He won eleven? Last year he's
got three. He's one fourteen games in what he's won
fourteen or twenty games since he got back in the NFL.
Or myrogate that got to the NFL, he didn't even
make it halfway through the season. They said, pack up

(44:09):
your shit and leave you suck hard to forget. Like,
I'm less emotional about Urban now that he's not coaching anymore.
But he did shed the stink of that Jacksonville situation.
No one brings it up. Think how embarrassing that was.
It's what like, you lose games. People lose games. You

(44:30):
have a bad season. You have a bad season. They
cleared out his locker in his office before the season
even ended. It was that bad. He was that big
of an embarrassment. He was that over his head, Jim
go back and forth, no problem. Would you rather be
the GM of the Chiefs or the Ravens, not including
the coaches. Chiefs defense is awesome, but their offense is questionable,

(44:53):
and the Ravens are the opposite thoughts. Two tough divisions.
The Ravens division technically easier. So if you just factored
in one hundred percent football, you would say the Ravens.
The Steelers are I mean a year away from Rogers
retiring and who even knows how actually good he is.
I mean, we're gonna see him play Minnesota this week.

(45:15):
That could not go well. They have a bunch of
older players that's a powder keg waiting to blow up
the Browns. I mean, the best player beside Jim Brown.
The history of the franchise is going to be like
thirty five years old by the time they figure out
their quarterback situation. That organization's a mess, and the Bengals
are just the Bengals and now their quarterback is missing

(45:36):
another season. So I think from a football divisional standpoint,
you would one hundred percent pick the Ravens. From a
personal standpoint, if money was equal, I would much rather
live in Kansas City than I would Baltimore. So I mean,
both are cold, but I would Kansas City. I've lived

(45:56):
there before, and I've lived down the road from Baltimore.
I'll choose Kansas City every day of the week and
twice on Sundays. Both places care about football. I feel like, yeah,
I would, just I would choose Kansas City from a
personal standpoint, assuming you know, money and power and all
that stuff was the same. The other thing with rosters

(46:17):
is like you have Lamar and you have Patrick under contract.
But rosters are pretty flu in the NFL. Within a
couple of years, Like how many guys on this Chiefs
roster and how many guys in that Ravens roster will
still be there? And the Ravens probably have a couple
more high end defensive guys. You got roquond you got
Kyle Hamilton, you got the Clemson corner Wiggins, he's not

(46:39):
going anywhere. But I mean a lot of those guys
you'll cycle through. You know, Chris Jones will be gone,
Travis Kelcey clearly will probably retire after this year. So
I think unless you're looking at like the Blinds roster,
which clearly these guys are going nowhere for the foreseeable future.
NFL rosters are changed. Do I have my first round picks?
How much cap space are we gonna have? Those things always.

(47:02):
The other thing is the Ravens. You know, Andy will
buy sweet players in free agency, like he'll be aggressive.
It's not really an organizational philosophy of the Ravens. Occasionally,
like they trade for Roquan and then sign them, but
they usually let guys walk, and they're big on drafting
and developing, probably as much as like the Packers. They're

(47:22):
like the bigger market version of the Packers. They're huge
on letting guys walk, getting calm picks, and then drafting,
and they've historically been a pretty good drafting team. What's
up with the Lamar gargling. I'm a Steeler fan, so
I get I get it. I might be biased, but
I feel like I'm constantly watching excuses made for Lamar

(47:44):
after losing big games. He had a losing record in
the playoffs, and he never seems to beat the Chiefs
or the Bills even in the regular season. He beat
the Bills last year in the regular season, kicked their ass.
But I hear what you're saying if this were basketball,
the media would be killing him like James Harden or
Embiid or Paul George. I think the main difference is,
let's use Joel Embiid. Joel e Bid doesn't play in

(48:05):
regular season games like Paul George. These guys miss a
lot of time with injuries. And Joel Embiid has never
been to a conference finals Paul George, I guess he
has in Indiana James has you know now, James is
terrible in the playoffs, but I hear you. I think

(48:27):
there would be some of that. I think Lamar Jackson
is way more likable than James Harden and Joel Embiid dramatically,
more like no one's ever said you're fat, if anything.
Lamar is like, you know, I looked a little slow,
so I lost him late, and b He's like, I'm
in the best shape of my life and he's out
of shape. It's like, what are we doing? Obviously his
body's left him now. And James Harden to me is

(48:51):
I have actually seen James Harden live. I remember in
a playoff series, like the first year the Warriors won
the championship, they were playing him when he had Dwight Howard.
He was actually pretty good. I remember being in Game
one and he was just hitting the step back. I'm like,
this fucking guy's pretty good. But over ever since, I mean,
he's been horrendous in the playoffs. I hear you, I mean,
you gotta win one thing. He's benefited from that, like that,

(49:14):
Josh Allen just has and his defense has been dominant.
When you watch his defense the other night, look like that,
you're not used to seeing that. He's not used to
having a bad defense. He's used to having the best
defense or one of the best defenses. So like, and
he has a high level organization, you know, Like Lamar
has a lot going for him, but he's also a
pretty special player now. He for his standards, wasn't very

(49:34):
good the other night. Missed some open throws, ran into
some sacks. He was shitty. I don't know what you
want me to tell you. But more often than not,
he's pretty good. He hasn't won in the playoffs, right,
And that's why I've always said, like I had Josh
Allen ranked above him before last year, Josh's been good
in the playoffs. Lamar hasn't. And even last year, like
he was good in one half, So I hear you.

(49:56):
There's definitely a hardened esque element to Lamar. I just
think he's more like I think he's just easier. Like
some people are just likable, some people are not like.
I just think JOELMBI is not very likable anymore. The

(50:24):
Minnesota Vikings will represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.
They have one of, if not the best rosters in
the league, alongside top tier coaching, scheme and defense. If
quarterback play can just be middle of the pack with
the weapons they have, the Vikings will make it all
the way. Thoughts, that's a pretty big question mark. Okay,

(50:44):
they have this rookie quarterback who could not play last
year comes this year, has played eight quarters, seven of
them have been atrocious, and is now injured. They're rolling
out Carson Wentz. Who I get it. They just won
a game by a lot playing Jake Browning. He has
started six six years, six different teams, so not exactly

(51:06):
the uh you know, the model of just stability with him.
So I think they've got a lot of moving parts
of the quarterback position. Is JJ McCarthy good and could
they win big games with Carson Wentz? I think We
don't know the answer to that. Don't dispute anything else
you said, but we all said that coming into the
year roster suite. It's why a lot of people that

(51:29):
have hit me up about, you know, Sam Donald. I think,
I don't know if I got this question with UH
with Sam, but someone sent me a DM like the
vikings are dumb. They should have just kept Sam Donald.
I get he was bad those last couple of weeks,
but he is so much better than their situation now.
And while I agree Sam Donald is dramatically better today

(51:52):
than JJ McCarthy, the chances JJ McCarthy will ever be
as good as Sam was last year and is currently
playing for SAT it's probably slimmed to none. But they
would have had to give him a big contract and
they wouldn't have signed the guys they signed, So it
was a cost benefit analysis. Do we want to invest

(52:13):
in Sam Donald we already have this rookie quarterback on
the roster, and then not fill our roster up with
better players, or let Sam walk go all in with JJ,
get some backup quarterbacks, you know, figure out a veteran
backup quarterback behind them, and load up our roster. And
that's what they chose to do it, which I can't
I can't hate on because there's no guarantee giving Sam

(52:35):
Donald with the roster that they would have had to
play with, given the money he would have taken, could
have won playoff games because they didn't last year and
it would have been very similar. So that they took
a risk, which I respect is a risk gonna work out.
Time will tell, but it's pretty risky when three weeks in,
when it's like, well got Carson Wentz and JJ's hurt again.

(53:01):
Even you guys have to admit if you're a Vikings fan,
like it's it's cool. I mean, our team's legit and
if we had a high level quarterback, we'd probably win
the Super Bowl, right if I gave you, If I
gave you like Dak Prescott, you'd be like, we're gonna
win fifteen games. But it's like, what's it gonna look like?
Even this week? You should I think he could be
the Steelers. I actually love the Steelers until I realized

(53:25):
that was an international game because I'm like, oh, the
Steelers are an underdog at home, and then someone's like, no,
they're in Dublin. I'm like, ah, I don't like it
as much anymore. Okay, couple more. A big fan in
this age of no acknowledgment for bad takes, I highly
respect for you owning it when proven incorrect. I specifically

(53:45):
tuned in today to see if you would address your
criticism of Johnny Morton. I don't have a question, just
want to say the three and out very entertaining. I
don't get paid to be right or wrong, so it's
like Mike, my job's entertain and I'm just an opinionated guy.
I don't ever make up takes. I thought it was

(54:06):
very logical to go this Johnny Morton experiment could not work,
and after week one you're like, God, this could be weird,
and you watch in the last couple of weeks you're like,
especially on Monday Night football, calling plays that looked exactly
like Ben Johnson was. I supposed to say, great job
by Ben Johnny Morton, but watch out, he's gonna shit
the bed over the next Like, No, I don't care.

(54:29):
I don't understand why people get so tied to takes.
This isn't like your job doesn't depend on being right
or wrong. Right. We're all gonna miss things. We're all
gonna have opinions and theories on things that are true
and not true. And listen, does that mean Johnny Morton
is the next Andy Reid. No, but he called an
incredible game. I mean the trick plays, the goal line, touchdown,

(54:53):
hand off to the amin Ross Saint Brown and who
knows maybe they had that play And if you're a
Lions fan, maybe you guys have run that before some
version of that, I feel like you have. But the
coaching detail to that where Jared Goff handed the ball
to Saint Brown vertically so he could pitch it instead
of having to work it into his hands. That level

(55:13):
of detail, like they're a well run operation. And I
saw this clip from Dan Campbell. He's like, guys, I
don't think you guys quite understand are best players. So
he's saying, who Sewell Goff, Saint Brown, Gibbs, Laporta, Aiden
Branch are hardest working players. This is sports is never

(55:36):
that complicated. If your hardest worker. I saw with the
Warriors when I lived in the Bay Area, like Steph Curry,
Klay Thompson, Draymond, those guys were grinders. And then when
they got Kevin like, all he did was want to
play basketball. I saw with the Giants with Matt Cain
and Madison Bumgardner and Buster Posey and Hunter Pence. It's

(55:57):
like championship teams usually high level players, the best players.
We saw a dynasty for twenty years, who's like the
hardest worker in the league. Tom freaking Brady, like shocker
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are all time greats. They're
also like absolutely obsessed with football, you know. So it's
like they've done a really good job of building that
team with high level guys that love football. And you know,

(56:19):
Johnny Morton, he does have a blueprint these last couple
of years of the plays they've run. Now you never
know like the right time to call him, but he
was pretty dialed in the other night. I don't see
how there would be any other take. I even thought
when Colin came out based on the Hall of Fame
game that they look kind of discombobulated. I thought that
was a little too premature. I'm like, I take nothing

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away from the Hall of Fame game. But then the
preseason kept going, and then the week one happened. I
was concerned, but that was a coaching clinic from Dan
and his two coordinators, because Dan sets the tone of
we're gonna show up in this ring and we're gonna
fucking hit you right in the square in the jaw,
and I dare you to swing back, because if you

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swing back, we're gonna swing again three more times, multiple
more jaw shots, uppercut, and then a kidney shot. I
dare you to swing again because we plan. And that's
what Dan Campbell brings, like what Jim Harbaugh brings, the
fighter mentality. And then if his coordinators are right as
they were last year, sky's the limit. Obviously, you know,
football is in a one game situation. You have a

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bad playoff game, you lose, and they lost to Washington.
But the team that we saw last night, if that team, now,
it was hard because they were missing a bunch of
bodies on defense in the playoff game, if I remember correctly.
But if the Lions play like that, they're a threat
to win Super Bowl. I mean, I think we'd all agree. Okay,
last question, do you think the NFL would ever explore

(57:44):
a rule on game winning tying field goals. I feel
like kickers are gonna be able hit from further and
further out in years to come. If the current trend
keeps going the way it is, it takes some fun
out of the game. Basically one U play from the
offense and they're in position to win a game. Seems
kind of crazy. I think maybe something like no game

(58:08):
tying or winning field goals from longer than fifty is
this crazy? We will end on this. I still don't
feel like you're a lock to hit field goals. You know,
especially as the early in the season there's no weather
as the season goes in these outdoor stadiums, especially in
the Northeast or in the South where it rains and

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the wind in the Midwest where it's freezing cold, it
is much more difficult to hit field goals. Obviously in
controlled environments in the Dome now, one major factor the
was it baits last night. You kick it out of
bounce like you get a little too cute with the kickoff.
They get the ball to the forty yard line. So

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if you have a guy that can kick a sixty
yard field goal, I don't have to get very far
at all, So you kick it like. If anything, it
puts an emphasis on kicking it in that that window
and tackling the guy somewhere around the twenty yard line
because it can be done that The Rams were doing
it all game. I forget what they call it, like

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they had a name for it. Greg Olsen kept saying,
but it's it's the emphasis on special teams. So I
have no problem because I you know, for every Brandon Aubrey,
I've seen a lot of kicks missed. We still see
extra points missed every single week. Butker missed a kick
on Sunday Night football like people miss kicks. So I
I hear you, like it's it's tough to lose a

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game on a game winning field goal, but there is
I don't know, something exhilarating about even like a forty
five yard field goal. You can block it. I would
say one of the coolest plays in this I was
put punt there too, a block field goal or a
block punt and when the defense picks it up, it
starts going the other way. That that is a that's

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as entertaining of a play as there is in football.
So I don't know. I mean, how could you ban
a twenty five yard field goal if you're down two points,
I gotta try to score a touchdown? Like what I'm
not with you on that I hear what you're saying, like,
I get the logic on it, but I'm cool with
the way it is right now, and I think we're

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a little numb. These guys have longer legs, not like
actual longer legs, but being able to kick it longer.
I don't think there are any law like Brandon Aubrey
might not miss, but a lot of guys can fifty
two yard field goal in November in Cleveland or Baltimore, Chicago,
wind and is cold that they are no lock to
make it. The volume