3 & Out - Detroit Lions OT Win vs Los Angeles Rams, Tom Brady's rough TV debut, NFL Week 1 Reactions
September 9, 2024 • 44 mins
John breaks down the Detroit Lions' thrilling 26-20 overtime victory against the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday Night Football. He discusses Rams head coach Sean McVay's heavy reliance on quarterback Matthew Stafford in the passing game, while Lions head coach Dan Campbell leaned into a dominant ground attack with David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs. In other NFL Week 1 news, John reacts to Tom Brady’s disappointing debut as a TV analyst and questions whether he’ll improve over time. He also dives into the Pittsburgh Steelers’ dominant defensive performance against the Atlanta Falcons, where Kirk Cousins struggled in his debut after signing a big contract. Is the Falcons' roster overrated under new head coach Raheem Morris? Lastly, John does his Overrated/Underrated segment from NFL and College football weekend.
7:28 - Lions-Rams reaction
23:16 - Tom Brady and his debut
31:03 - The Steelers D
37:18 - Overrated vs. Underrated
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What is going on? Everybody? John Middle Cop three and
Out podcast. How are we doing? My people? Well? Well, well,
the Rams just lost the Lions in overtime. Fantastic senter
that game. It was look for a second like are
the Allions is kind of gonna work them? Then the
Rams come storming back. Then they take the lead, Lions
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kick a field goal, get it to overtime. Stafford almost
for a pick which might have lost him the game,
Buddy dropped it. Then they go to ot run it
right down their throat. Big win for the Lions. Impressive though,
given the circumstances with the injuries. I'm gonna give Sean
McVay and the organizations and props. So we'll talk about
the Lions the Rams. I do want to piggyback on
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me and me and Colin hit on a little bit
on Tom and the performance Deshaun Watson trade. I'm a
sucker for just a just an awful trade. You know,
in football, if you think about it, like in basketball
and baseball, you get a lot of in season sweet trades.
You know, Kevin Durantz trade in the middle of the
season in baseball forever or back in the day when
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it mattered, great players would be traded at the trade deadline.
In football, most of those happen around the draft, and
then a couple of years later we know it's just
like the Stafford trade that was one of the great
win win trades of all time. The Lions get Golf
and they get a bunch of draft picks. Rams get
Stafford and that has not really been the John Watson
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trade at all. I'm also gonna do something starting on Sundays.
I think a little overrated, underrated, and just things that
I saw from the weekend. Watch a lot of college football,
watch a lot of NFL. So we will do a
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But I went on with Colin as I do every Sunday.
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that was the second half of that game. Stafford turned
on Hall of Fame mode, played out standing. Could have
thrown a pick there at the end of regulation. The
Lions had guys making plays left and right. The physicality
of that game, the overtime drive, and it kind of
hit me. In most sports, you just ride your big
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brands no matter what, because the little brands just don't resonate.
It is hard for the NBA to force okay on people,
regardless of how good they are. They were just the
number one seed. Major League Baseball is praying to the
baseball gods that somehow they could get Yankees and Dodgers
win every round and meet in the World Series. In
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the NFL, the Lions, the overwhelming majority of my life
thirty nine years old, have been terrible. They have had
two good seasons, really just one because two years ago
they didn't make the playoffs and they can immediately use
them and it immediately works. Last year they were on
the opening game against the Chiefs on Thursday night, and
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tonight they were in a spot that was held for
a long long time by the Giants and the Cowboys.
It was just like Giants, Cowboys Sunday Night played in
New York or play in Dallas. I felt like it
was that game eight out of ten years for a stretch.
And the thing with the NFL, no matter how bad
you've been, the moment you become good, the moment you matter,
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and the moment America will watch you. And the Lions
are just immediately watchable. Their coach is cool, their team
is fun. One thing they really have going for him,
and we'll see. Like their back end of their defense
is gonna be a question until they answer it. Obviously,
they drafted a couple guys. They added Davis from Tampa Bay.
They have definitely put resources in there. But the strength
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of their team, the offense is just complete. If Jared
Goff just plays solid, their offensive line is awesome. They
have multiple sweet running backs. One guy a physical player
that overtime drive. You can just hand him the ball
every play right up the gut and he will drag players.
The other running back is like the new young Alvin Kamara.
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They have one of the best, if not the best,
current possession wide receiver Sat Brown, who can work the
middle of the field. The play he made to night
when he slipped hit the ball down was incredible. They
have one of the best young tie in the NFL.
And now they have Jamison Williams who has a little
basketball player to him. Every time he goes down, you're like,
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is he injured? And then he kind of limps off.
Then he comes right back and he's fine. But he
has elite speed, so they can stretch the field. They
can work the middle of the field, they can get
to the edges runner on runs with their quick running back.
They can shove it up the gut with their physical
running back. And their offensive line is just gonna shove
your defensive line back. So their offense is as complete
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as there is in the NFL. You could argue player
for player. Quarterback clearly, like the Chiefs now have a
more complete offense, and you would take theirs because they
have no Mahomes. But if all quarterbacks are equal and
we're just judging the other ten guys, I think you
would put the Lions near the top. And the other
thing is the question with Dan Campbell always gonna be
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was like, what's he doing, just like with any CEO
head coach. Well, we saw Tomlin today. It's pretty clear
his teams are just ready for a fistfight. They live
for that shit. And that's kind of Dan Campbell like
his team has taken on his personality. That is a
physical team, and that is a team. When you play
like that, that translates to the biggest games. Now, Jared
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Goff got a little iffy with a couple passes. He's
gonna be their question mark. But I think I forget
the stat off the top of my head that they
play a ton of indoor games this year outside of Detroit.
Obviously they play indoors at home, and if they could
get the number one seed. Nickveigh called it last year,
that playoff game the loudest environment he's ever been in.
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It's a huge advantage. The other thing is when you
get a really high pick and you hit on that guy,
he usually is an exceptional player, right, it sucks when
you miss on him because of the draft capital. When
you take a guy like Trey Lance, you'd make a
huge trade or you know whoever. I mean, there have
been a million swing and misses over the years in
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the top five. But when you hit a home run
and you're like, we got Miles Garrett, we got Nick Bosa,
we got Aiden Hutchinson, and it was clear last year
that this guy was ready to take a step into
the next tier to become one of the better pass rushers.
And the thing in the NFL, it's such a pass
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happy league and the attrition of just offensive lineman. You
saw it tonight. The Rams felt like they were missing
their entire offensive line. They're moving guys left and right.
That the majority of guys, even when they're starters, are
not Pinay Seul or Trent Williams. They're gonna be relatively
you know, close to replaceable or a team would be
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open to replacing. And then when you get backups in
there are just major question marks. And he was eating
those guys alive. And I'll never forget. I was in
an office one time and the late Howard mudd Rip,
who many consider one of the greatest offensive line coaches
of all time, me and another scouting buddy, we would
just go into some of the old assistant coaches, especially
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like free agency or the draft and kind of pick
their brain. And I remember dropping like either me or
my buddy was like, yes, he doesn't have the feet
to play left tackle. Think he's more of a right tackle.
And he stopped He's like, what did you just say.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's like, when
I was with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis, we had Robert
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Mathis on one side and Dwight Freedi on the other side,
and any good pass rusher worth their salt can play
on either side. And when you watch the NFL now,
even teams that don't have two good pass rushers, the
moment they find your weakness, they'll move the guy over there.
We saw it on Thursday night with Chris Jones. He
was just finding the weak link and he would just
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move over the guy. Whether it was a guard, whether
it was right or left tackle, it didn't matter. And
you saw Aton Hutchinson at night moving around. You see
Michael Parsons do it all the time. And greatness when
you're able to move all around the line of scrimmage
and you have elite talent, his motor is awesome. Like
he's a guy headed towards stardom. Now, if Jared Goff
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turns the ball over, anything's possible. And tonight he puts
some balls in if he spots But to me, the
completion of their offense and they've had the same offensive
coordinator now for going on three years. He seems to
not want a head coaching job. He kind of just
looks like an offensive coordinator. When I saw Ben Johnson, like,
you should just stay as the Lions offensive coordinator, make
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like five million dollars a year and just run this
out for a little bit. But that offense is unreal
and if their defense is solid, they're gonna be a problem.
The thing I respect most about the Rams and any
good team, now that I do this, like I don't
have the two deeps memorized, especially practice squad guys. So
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as the course of an NFL season will go, like
any fan, you'll be like, who the hell is that guy?
Where'd that guy come from? Who's that? Obviously I know
a majority of guys in the NFL. But the thing
about football, unlike basketball, there are a lot of guys
on these teams that played for random colleges that you've
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never heard of, that were an undrafted free agent that's
been two years on the practice squad, and to play
on a good team, to play for the Ravens, to
play for Andy Reid, to play for Kyle Shanahan, to
play for these good teams, Obviously, as a starter, you
have to be good. But to stick around and to
handle training camp, handle the offseason, to handle the intensity
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of practice during the year, you gotta be a serious cat.
You gotta be kind of all in you. You gotta conform,
and you gotta be one of their type guys. It's
why when you see the Rams have a million injuries,
You're like, are they gonna get blown out? It's seventeen
to three. All of a sudden, you know, three or
four guys are going to the tent, going to the back.
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Pooka's hurt, Like, how are they gonna overcome this? Obviously, Stafford,
you know, turned into a Hall of Fame version of
himself and was awesome, and Cooper Cup looked like Chris
Carter on the sideline. But to me, that's culture is
you can implementt you can implement and put in guys
in an enormous spot on the road against one of
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the best teams in the league and go to toe
to toe with them. Now, eventually they ran out of gas.
I mean, that defense was just was shot. If it
was a video game one to one hundred, you know,
they would have been like close to zero. I mean
they were running on fume, so I don't blame him
for getting smoked on that last drive. But the second half,
playing with a bunch of random guys. They came to
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play because they're ready to play. Because the only way
you play in that operation is be a ready to
play type. Guy, take your shit seriously Monday through Saturday,
when no one's watching, when the majority of your snaps
for portions of your career are on scout team and
the only reps you might get are in like individual
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situations with the starters. Once you split up in practice,
you go to the the other side and you service
the other team. But do you take that really seriously?
The reason the forty nine ers loved Purty before he
even started because the defenders were all, like, God, this's
this guy's awesome on the scout team. How serious he
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takes it, how good he is against us, how hard
he is to defend. Like they really respected him, And
that happens on good teams. You earn the respect that way,
and that's how you improve. So when your number is called,
when this guy gets hurt or that guy gets hurt, one,
you know what you're doing. Right. It's not easy to
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play in the NFL Schematically, especially for guys like Sean McVay,
it's very complex, so you got to know the playbook.
But two, like it's not too big of a moment,
like you have prepared. And I saw the rams full
of dudes that like, that's a really really impressive thing
they got going. And I'm really glad that Sean McVay
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a couple of years ago turned down whatever it was,
fifteen plus million dollars a year to go work at
Amazon when he was kind of quote unquote burned out,
because he's a big addition of the league. Like that's
just he's a good coach. And obviously, and I think
we compare him, and I'm guilty of this, is like
he's synonymous with Kyle Shanahan. It's like, well, he's a
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Shanahan guy because he works for the Shanahans, right, He
worked for Mike and Kyle, and then they all have
the same guys that work under him, the floor brothers,
Like they're all kind of interconnected. He's actually much more
like Andy Reid. Kyle in that situation with all the
injuries to the offensive line, even with Stafford would have
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ran it at a much higher clip because at Kyle's core,
he wants to run the ball because that's what he's
learned from his dad. Run, run, run, and then set
up the pass off that that's not really who Sean is. Sean,
like Andy, wants to pass no matter what. And there
are points in the game when they were down it's like, God, Sean,
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run the ball a little bit more, but he can't
help it. Now, he'd go, I got Matt Stafford, who's
probably gonna be the best quarterback that I ever coach,
and Cooper cups healthy and Stafford will just figure it
out even if he has to scramble and move around
to save his life, because he did several times. But
Sean McVeigh at his core is kind of proven and
he proved this last year. He wants to pass, and
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where he has in common with both guys because whether
you're a run first guy or a pass first guy,
do you put a premium on physical practices and physical defenses,
Because the only way you get better and more physical
on defense is by practicing hard. And clearly, the Rams
now we have a sample size whether Aaron Donald is
there or not, and they showed him last night at
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the USC game. The fucking guy looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
It's like, I get he'd made enough money to accomplish
a lot, but there's no doubt in my mind that
if he just showed up to practice Monday or Tuesday
and played this Sunday, he would get a sack. He
looks fantastic, but you remove him and like their physicality
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didn't skip a beat. Ernest Jones wants more money. See
you later. We'll go with we got some undrafted free
agents that are coming up on the squad. We'll just
move on. But Pooka Nakua, like, we'll see what his
injury is. He had four catches before he got ruled out. Like,
if he can't go for a while, that's a pretty
big blow. He wasn't just like a revelation last year, like,
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oh look at this rookiers. He got one hundred and
five balls. He was one of the better wide receivers
in the NFL. Now part of doing that. Cooper Cup
was banged up in a shell of himself, and he
looked fantastic tonight. But if I gave you healthy Pooka
and healthy Cooper, even with this banged up offensive line
and the way Stafford's playing, you got major problems as
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his defense. I don't care who you are, And Stafford
was kicking himself. He had a chance to get a
big third down there late in the game, and he
kind of overthrew them. As he's in a lot of
pressure because when you're gonna pass it all the time,
and you got a bunch of backups in against Aiden Hutchinson,
who's gonna be easily one hundred million dollar guaranteed pass thresher,
it's hard, but I think at his core it's pretty
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clear like he wants to pass. He wants to pass,
he wants to pass. Maybe Ben Johnson wanted to run
in that final drive in overtime, but I will guarantee
you this, Dan Campbell was in the headset, run the ball,
run it down their throat, and then the moment it
works for a couple runs, run it again again again.
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Was it herb Brooks line in Miracle Again? I mean,
that's kind of what he was doing. And I don't
know if McVeigh would have done that, you know, not
because he's anti successful plays. But you have a core
philosophical belief as a coach, and it's kind of clear
when you lots of these two guys, both of them
like physical plays. It's why I gravitate towards certain type
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of coaches, why I like the Harbob Brothers. Tomin's got
his flaws, but I love the way that he thinks
about football. Like Cliff Kingsbury's never really been my style.
I'm not into that type shit. That style of football
isn't for me. I like more old school football. Now
you can have a new school flavor on it. And
like Andy would throw at every single play, but you
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better believe that his defense that he is gonna build
in Draft four is gonna be to inflict pain on you,
on a personnat basis, and I thought the Rams brought
it today. It was really impressive. What a fantastic game,
fantastic night for the NFL. Kind of a weird day.
Not some group. I wouldn't say great matchups today, but
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the primetime games the NFL has come through. Obviously the
Thursday and Friday night games, those two brands, I guess
those four brands. Those games games were really entertaining. And
then tonight was awesome. And hopefully Monday Night lives up
to the hype. Colin and I talked about Brady and
he gave his thoughts. I said, I thought he was
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pretty bad. Wasn't trying to over one game. It's not
the end of the world, but the one thing. And
I've been texting with a lot of friends watching Sunday
Night football. I do wonder what Tom's pitch is gonna
be because I thought about it, like, who are the
greatest announcers of my life? Well, John Madden by a
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country mile is the most popular, the most famous, and
easily the best. And then I think, in terms of
recent memory, the highest compensated, and just the most entertaining.
People nitpick them all the time, but we're gruding it
in Berkley, I think. And I was really hard when
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they hired Drew Brees. I'm like, this is boring. I
remember Matt Ryan doing games last year. I'm like, this
doesn't work. These guys were great football players. Matt Ryan
won an MVP. Drew Brees is a first ballot Hall
of Famer, shattered some records, was awesome for like fifteen years.
But being good at that does not make you entertaining.
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And the one thing I hoped, because Tom was such
a good teammate, such a guy's guy. I do think
it's difficult for that to come out when you're not
used to it. Like talking on a mic and being entertaining,
whether you're calling a game, whether you're a radio host,
whether you're a talk show host, whether you're a podcaster,
is not easy. It's why a tiny percent of people
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that do it are successful in terms of make money
and get people to watch. It's hard. I can count
on like two hands the people that I think are
really entertaining either on TV or radio, slash podcast. It's
difficult to do. So. The more I thought about Tom Brady,
of course he was kind of bad today, Like it's
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just he's I've never done this. He has done these
trial runs when no one is watching and the game
has already been played. Who cares. That's impossible. The only
way to get better at anything. That's why I've always
been a huge believer of playing young players is through experience. Now,
the hard part is as a player or like a
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manual worker or something like, you could just kind of
just keep doing it and physically go at it. This
is not one of those things like Tom. The overall
percentage of people that watch football is large, right relative
to all other television shows. It's millions upon millions of people.
I saw like thirty million people watch Thursday night football.
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I'd imagine to night the number is very similar. You
have a lot of people watching, and you watch Collinsworth
and I bet if I got on Twitter or Reddit
or something, you'd see opinions all over the place. He's
just loose and he's fun, and he talks a little
bit in football LNGO. But there's a reason that the
x's and O shows have never had any success on television,
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in podcasts, even on the blogs, because that stuffs boring
for anyone who is not a die die, die hard
football guy. Unless you're truly doing it for a living.
It's like it's not gonna resonate. So what resonates with
people is much more surface level with entertainment value mixed in.
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And I think the hard part for Tom over this
next season is like, how can you just loosen up?
How can you just kind of be a little bit
more relatable? And then it kind of hit me. I
do think it's gonna be difficult for a guy who
is as rich and famous as Tom Brady to be
relatable in that setting, even if he could have a
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beer with me or you and be relatable, because I
bet he could. I bet Tom Brady could come over
to my house, sit in the backyard, have a beer
and we could have a pretty easy conversation. But I
think that spot when he's feeling the pressure and he
hasn't had a job like this with this many people watching,
besides being a player, when he's been less prepared. I
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mean when he was playing for the Tampa Bucks, he
had twenty plus years of playing, being coached by Belichick,
being coached by guys like Charlie Weis, Josh McDaniels, Bill O'Brien,
playing in the biggest games. He's seen it all. And
now like Kevin Burkhardt, who's the ultimate pro's been doing
it forever, is like really smooth, He's fantastic at his job.
Tom Rinaldi, I mean, nobody is better at his job
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than Tom. But that's all these guys have done. And
then you put Tom in there, and all he has
going for him right now is he's Tom Brady. He's
really famous. But you're watching him, You're like, where, what's this?
What's going on? And I do defend him like it
would be a tough situation to be thrown into. And nobody,
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I don't care how rich you are, unless you're like
Jeff Bezos is turning down almost four hundred million dollars
to call football games. But I don't know what his pitches,
whether you like Tony Romo or not. And listen, I've
been up in you know, warm and cold on the guy.
He has a pitch. He's really fun, he's really energetic.
Chris Collinsworth somewhat similar. He's kind of the old uncle
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who's just like God, this guy's just having a good
time watching ball. Aikman kind of like an old school
red ass. He will light people up. Tom was lighting
nobody up today. I mean, Deshaun Watson is an embarrassment,
an absolute embarrassment for the NFL. Think about it. He
got one of the most historic trades we've ever seen
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in terms of draft compensation. He got the biggest contract
in the history of the league, and he's a bottom
five starter in the NFL. Like it's a joke. And
everyone there is not a football fan today who was
watching that game that wasn't texted with someone being like,
what is this? And Tom was like, Eh, he just
needs to work a little bit more. He just needs
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to get a feel as a group, Like, no, Tom,
this guy blows thirty million people on their couches are
literally all saying it. Maybe there's a few. It's like,
well he's got some backup offensive lineman. He's being paid
sixty million dollars a year to run around if he's
getting chased. He can't even do that anymore. And it's like,
you gotta be able to say something if you're not
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gonna be the fun guy, right, you're not gonna be
collins Worth, Like, oh, Mike, you know, jee Gibbs, you
gotta be ake Aikman would have taken a blow torch
right there. So you gotta be one or the other.
And it feels like I don't know if Tom well,
I know he doesn't know because he doesn't have a
style yet. But he was just styleless that there was nothing.
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It'd be like a pitcher, who just what do you
want to throw? It's like I don't know, Well, if
you got a fastball, you gotta change up. You gott
a curveball, Like what's your We got two strike count here,
we need to get an out. What's your go to pitch?
I don't really have one. I just kind of I
don't know. It's a problem, and it's it's gonna be
a little bumpy than even I thought, like I like Tom.
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I told Colin that I admire the guy, his just
his life story, the late round pick, how hard he works,
how much people like him. But now he's like he's
an entertainer for me. He's calling one of the biggest
games of the week every single Sunday. And it was
atrocious and it really was. And he couldn't have a
better crew. Like it's like, could there be easier people
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to work with than Tom Rinaldi and Kevin Burkhart. It
doesn't get any easier. And he was bad. And I
think sometimes I hate it when like everyone's saying something,
but I think this is gonna be one of those
where universally, like everyone's in agreement, Like that was a
rough watch. One thing that was not a rough watch
is the Steelers defense, and that unit today was gave
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the Atlanta Falcons a physical beat down. And this was
the same team they told Bill Belichick they weren't interested
they drafted a quarterback with the number eighth overall pick
when they had just give him Cousins one hundred million dollars,
and I said, at the moment they did this, and
I like Mike Pennock or Michael Pennocks more than most.
I think he's a pro, ready, plug and play guy.
Is I think we looked at the Cousins as like
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you were signing Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, like when
Denver and Tampa signed those two guys. It's like this
guy who had turned into a good player two years
ago and probably for like a five game stretch last
year before he tore his achilles, but for most of
his career, I would say No. One was just more
polarizing because he was making a lot of money and
people just like, is he any good? We know he's
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not bad, but like, is this guy top ten guy?
And he'd have moments where he clearly was, but his
equity was always floating somewhere like twelve to sixteen. And
then he goes to this brand new team, it's like
this guy's the savior. And then the Steelers and TJ.
Watt today were working him, destroying and then he's throwing interceptions.
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His last pick toward the end of the game was
just low level bad. I mean bad quarterback play, and
you wonder when a guy has no equity and is
getting worked by a team that listen, I was guilty of.
I thought I was gonna stink, And maybe they don't
because the culture of Mike Tom was like, yeah, we'll
just win every game eighteen to fifteen, eighteen to ten,
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seventeen to thirteen. We have no problem playing like that,
and if they stay healthy on defense, they probably can't.
And they worked Atlanta in the second half with Justin Fields,
who is like much more of a runner than a pastor,
though he made some good passes today. And I do
wonder Atlanta who carried themselves like we know what we're doing.
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Rare Heie Morris said, Like they asked him why is
your staff so big, because they have one of the biggest,
if not the biggest staff in the league. He said,
because we plan on winning, and when we lose coaches,
we will have reinforcements already here, so we don't need
to onboard on board new guys. I like guys that
believe in themselves. That seems like a pretty crazy thing
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to say. That seems like taking over the Mahomes chiefs here,
You're taking over a team that's won twenty one games
in the last three years, and all we've heard about
was how great their skill guys are. And then you're like, well,
is Bjohn some moll star. Kyle Pitts has already banged up?
Is he maybe one of the most overrated draft picks
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of all time? And we just got that one wrong.
So maybe their talent is a tad bit overrated. And
the other thing is Raheem Well, he was an excellent
defensive coordinator for the Rams. I would say for Sean
mcvay's tenure, all their defensive coordinator's been good. Brandon Taley
was good for them. Shula mcveigh's buddy from college looks
sweet Wade Phillips was awesome. Maybe they just draft and
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developed good defensive players under McVeigh. So to just assume
this guy's gonna be a good head coach, How can
we do that? And now they're already kind of backs
up against the wall some negativity on Cousins. It just
gets weird fast. And on the Steelers side, obviously, Russell's
calf is banged up. I guess I saw someone on
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the internet say that he actually heard it a couple
of days before training camp, pushing the sled or something.
Just Russell working out twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
If he does get healthy this week, under no circumstances,
can you not just keep rolling out justin fields. Does
he have some flaws, yes, but the talent in there
and his ability to run for a team that just
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is gonna be offensively limited sometimes on the outside beside,
George Pickens to me, he asked to play, and if
I was a Steeler fan, until he either gets injured
or has like multiple three or four pick games and
we lose, I'm rolling with this guy. I'm rolling with
the young guy. I do not want to see Russell
Wilson dinkin duck funny. I was at the gym early
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this morning, and when I got back right at like
ten o'clock as the games were kicking off, I didn't
see that, like and I tried to look it up
on the internet. I couldn't quite find it. If Russell
was the third quarterback because he technically wasn't active, so
I don't know if he technically could have played or
they it basically ruled him out. He was in shoulder pads,
so if he was truly inactive and couldn't play in
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Warre's shoulder pads. Kind of a geeky, dorky move. That
is the reason no one takes them seriously. Want to
do a little overrated, underrated obviously Atlanto. I mean we
just hit on. I never bought into it. I just
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refuse to buy into it, and I feel more validated today.
The hype on this team, talking about like they were
just gonna win twelve games was crazy. Talk to me
like Cousins and Raheem Morris were Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.
I've been saying this for a while. I understand they
played the Panthers, but I thought the Saints were underrated.
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Their defense is good. They have a really good defense,
a huge part why they went nine to eight last year.
If you have a good defense in college or the NFL,
you are going to be competitive. But Derek Carr gets
to play in the Shanahan system now. It is a
very quarterback friendly offense. It makes four easy throws when
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you're running the ball well, which the Saints are going
to be able to do. No team has more money
invested into their running back room than the Saints. It's
really easy to pass the ball and Kubiak, whose dad
played and coached for Mike Shanahan and then started Kyle's career.
I would say, might as Well's last name be Shanahan
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knows this offense as well as anybody not named Gary Kubiak,
Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan. This is gonna work. They're
going to be dramatically better on offense. Everyone thought they
were gonna suck, like I just did not get it.
Like Derek Carr has proven if you just give him
solid coaching in a solid team like he can be competitive.
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He can be Kirk Cousins. But everyone acts like Derek
Carr is like Deshaun Watson or something. And today I
know we had a really good game, But I just
mean over the course of the season, even if they
win similar game nine to ten, like they can win
the division. The most overrated football team of the last
twenty five years consistently is Notre Dame Football. One of
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the best things on the Internet yesterday was Thomas Hammock,
the coach at NIU. Turns out he actually coached for
the Ravens for a while. Former running back at Niu
had bounced around a little bit and has been their
head coach now for several years. They got paid one
point four million dollars. Like a lot of these games, right,
you get paid between one point two to one point
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eight million dollars to go play one of the big
boys because the Big Boys viewed as a lock win,
we get an easy ten twenty point win. Give you
a check win win. He went in there and he
won as a thirty point underdog. And listen, Notre Dame
last week beat TEXA and m who had a quarterback
who could throw it about as well as me, and
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then to lose this game. Riley Leonard, I read a
great article on an athletic. Seems like a fantastic human being.
And he's obviously a good runner. He couldn't throw, he
couldn't hit water if he was in a boat in
the middle of the lake. He's an awful thrower. And
Notre Dame is just always so overrated. I mean that
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program the moment the Oregon game was on last night
on Peacock, they're literally doing live hard knocks of Notre Dame.
People want to anoint them, like I'll give the Cowboys credit,
like at least they win their division and beat good
teams throughout the regular season. Notre Dame last year lost
a fucking Marshall and now or two years ago and
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this year lose to NIU, it's gotta be one of
the worst losses in the history of the program. Absolute
embarrassment and no program. They gotta just be the most overrated.
They're still talked about like it's Lou Holtz nineteen eighty seven,
it's twenty twenty four. Your skill guys are never good enough.
And maybe it's because of the academic requirements they can't
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get in. The guys to school like Ohio State or
LSU or Alabama or whatever. Regardless, you don't have them
and they do. And to play ANIU, who I guarantee
if you had to do one through fifty an NFL
GM on the rosters, there wouldn't be many ANIU players picked.
So just a horrendous loss. This guy was rated the
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most overrated player in the NFL by players. Might be
one of the most egregious things in the history of
the league. Tyreek Hill being number one overall in the
players vote a little crazy just because like Holis Patrick Mahomes,
But I think all of us would agree Tyreek got
a little Scottis Scheffler treatment today. I didn't know. Tyreek,
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who I think I've seen on a podcast, said that
he wanted to be a porn star when he was
done playing. I think he has like twelve kids. He
literally said that he also wants to be a cop,
and I think he said when he was getting arrested
he was on the cops, I want to be a cop.
Which can you imagine Tyreek Hill when he becomes a
cop and someone tries to run away, He's like, Hey,
I'll give you like a ten minute head start. Just
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just take off down the road. You're screwed. I'm gonna
get to pretty quick. He'd be a fast cop, but
I get it. Tyreek to me is one of the
best players of his generation, one of the greatest players
I've ever seen. But people saying Josh Allen is overrated?
Are you guys on drugs? Are we watching the same stuff? Like?
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Or Josh Allen on the Bills? Is there another Josh Allen,
another team? Josh Allen the guy play? Does he play
for the Panthers or something? Because the dude on the
Bills is one of the best players I've ever seen,
easily He's definitely one of the more physically talented players
I've ever seen, and he wins and he produces every
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single year. Today they're getting their ass kicked by the Cardinals,
who were just a tough team to play week one
because of Kyler. It was like, yeah, I'll just figure
out a way. I'll score four touchdowns. Break my hand,
tweak my hand, whatever, wrap that shit up. I'm ready
to roll. Like, what are we talking about? Lamar Jackson
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has so many defenders. Every corner of the internet, every podcast,
everyone's defending Lamar, which I get. I root for the
guy too. I want him to get better, but he's
a very flawed player. For being a great player a
huge reason for his greatness. He's arguably the greatest runner
we've ever seen at the position, but as a thrower,
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he's very hit or miss. Josh is an infinitely better thrower,
and while he's not as fast as Lamar, he's got
some Cam Newton to his running game. Running guys, over
running over guys, an incredible red zone runner in terms
of quarterback sweeps. Overrated, it's fucking laughable. Overrated. I had
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a little money on this game, and it was tough.
I'm not gonna lie when Tyreek got a rest. I
don't root for any of this stuff. But when you
do have money on a team, like I did with
the Jacks, and you see the best player of the
other team get arrested, my first thought was, God, they're
gonna win. He's not gonna play today, and then obviously
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cuffs off. He's playing, and by the middle of the
game he's hitting like a seventy yard bomb over the middle.
I'm like, fuck Doug Peterson today, and I still quite
is Doug Peterson calling the plays, Press Taylor calling the plays.
They were dominating that game, and in the second half
from their own thirty he went forward on fourth down. Now,
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Miami ended up missing the field goal, but the play
call to do that. I'm all for being aggressive. I'm
a pro aggressive guy, not Brandon Staley aggressive. But there
are points in time go for it. Totally get it.
I can't get behind and understand the logic. I don't
give a shit how many Harvard and Mit graduates that
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are handing you Excel spreadsheets that tell you to do
stuff like that. If you don't get it. They have
two incredible offensive weapons in Waddle and Hill. You're giving
them the ball with thirty yards to score a touchdown
thirty yards that's insanity. He missed the field goal. Ultimately whatever,
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it didn't cost him points. They ended up losing the game.
But that's a game that I don't know how Doug
sleeps well at night. You cannot lose that game. You're
killing them and they got their offense just became futriative
in the second. They couldn't move the ball. They have
too many offensive weapons. You're paying your quarterback two hundred
million dollars guaranteed. How can you not throw for two
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hundred yards on the Miami Dolphins and last underrated? Honestly
didn't know much about this guy until last week when
he scored six touchdowns. Well, last night Oregon Boise State
was an incredible night game. It was on Peacock. They
had like their C team there. It kept blacking out.
Not an easy watch by any means. And I'm not
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anti Peacock. I pay for it. But the Peacock game
Thursday night or Friday night Eagles Eagle who they play
Eagles Packers. I was wrong on Jordan Love thought he
rolled his ankle towards mcl or mcl sprain or whatever.
He's out three to six. So take the l on that.
Maybe I'm not a good television doctor. But the Peacock
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broadcast Oregon Boise State. Who I had a little money
on Oregon because I thought they would Oh, Boise State,
great program, has never lost to Oregon, but like Oregon
just got embarrassed against Idaho. I thought they would kill
him all of a sudden, Oregon's losing and Boise State's
running back last year his name is Ashton Genty, ran
for about thirteen hundred and fifty yards six yards per carry,
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fourteen touchdowns, caught another forty three balls in five touchdowns.
Some scouting buddies like, I really liked the guy. Last
week he almost ran for three hundred yards and six touchdowns,
but it was against Georgia's Southern Against Oregon, he had
twenty five carries, one hundred and ninety two yards and
three touchdowns. I'm texting around, I'm like, is this guy
going in the first round? And I had a buddy say, well,
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he's probably closer to five to six than five to eight.
He's really small, so he's not a first rounder, but
he is easily one of the best players in the country.
So I googled Darren Sprolls, who when he played for
Kansas State was also one of the best players in
the country, but he was tiny. He went in the
in This guy is physical runner, he's fast, he can
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go outside, and he obviously can catch the ball. I'm
not saying he's exactly Darren Sproles, but I think there
are some parallels. Really small guy, Darren Sproles went in
the fourth round. I looked yesterday, Darren Sproles played fourteen
years in the NFL. Not saying Darren Sprowl should have
gone in the top ten, but I promise you this,
he probably should have been drafted in the second round.
And that's where this guy's gonna go. So if you
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get a chance, Boys State's on watch their running back
because Ashton genty and I've watched a lot of college
football these first couple weeks. I'm not saying he's gonna
get drafted the highest, but there can't be ten better
college players right now did play on Saturdays and that guy,
so props to him. He's got nine touchdowns. He has
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nine touchdown he played eight quarters of football. He has
nine touchdowns, just an incredible effort so far. It's September.
It was September seventh. It was September seventh, and he
finished with nine touchdowns, so maybe he can get to thirty.
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What is going on? Everybody? John Middle Cop three and
Out podcast. How are we doing? My people? Well? Well, well,
the Rams just lost the Lions in overtime. Fantastic senter
that game. It was look for a second like are
the Allions is kind of gonna work them? Then the
Rams come storming back. Then they take the lead, Lions
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kick a field goal, get it to overtime. Stafford almost
for a pick which might have lost him the game,
Buddy dropped it. Then they go to ot run it
right down their throat. Big win for the Lions. Impressive though,
given the circumstances with the injuries. I'm gonna give Sean
McVay and the organizations and props. So we'll talk about
the Lions the Rams. I do want to piggyback on
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me and me and Colin hit on a little bit
on Tom and the performance Deshaun Watson trade. I'm a
sucker for just a just an awful trade. You know,
in football, if you think about it, like in basketball
and baseball, you get a lot of in season sweet trades.
You know, Kevin Durantz trade in the middle of the
season in baseball forever or back in the day when
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it mattered, great players would be traded at the trade deadline.
In football, most of those happen around the draft, and
then a couple of years later we know it's just
like the Stafford trade that was one of the great
win win trades of all time. The Lions get Golf
and they get a bunch of draft picks. Rams get
Stafford and that has not really been the John Watson
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trade at all. I'm also gonna do something starting on Sundays.
I think a little overrated, underrated, and just things that
I saw from the weekend. Watch a lot of college football,
watch a lot of NFL. So we will do a
little overrated, underrated and then get you out of here.
But I went on with Colin as I do every Sunday.
We will have this podcast out every Sunday. We'll record
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didn't lock into the Houston Indie game. I'll probably watch
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that was the second half of that game. Stafford turned
on Hall of Fame mode, played out standing. Could have
thrown a pick there at the end of regulation. The
Lions had guys making plays left and right. The physicality
of that game, the overtime drive, and it kind of
hit me. In most sports, you just ride your big
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brands no matter what, because the little brands just don't resonate.
It is hard for the NBA to force okay on people,
regardless of how good they are. They were just the
number one seed. Major League Baseball is praying to the
baseball gods that somehow they could get Yankees and Dodgers
win every round and meet in the World Series. In
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the NFL, the Lions, the overwhelming majority of my life
thirty nine years old, have been terrible. They have had
two good seasons, really just one because two years ago
they didn't make the playoffs and they can immediately use
them and it immediately works. Last year they were on
the opening game against the Chiefs on Thursday night, and
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tonight they were in a spot that was held for
a long long time by the Giants and the Cowboys.
It was just like Giants, Cowboys Sunday Night played in
New York or play in Dallas. I felt like it
was that game eight out of ten years for a stretch.
And the thing with the NFL, no matter how bad
you've been, the moment you become good, the moment you matter,
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and the moment America will watch you. And the Lions
are just immediately watchable. Their coach is cool, their team
is fun. One thing they really have going for him,
and we'll see. Like their back end of their defense
is gonna be a question until they answer it. Obviously,
they drafted a couple guys. They added Davis from Tampa Bay.
They have definitely put resources in there. But the strength
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of their team, the offense is just complete. If Jared
Goff just plays solid, their offensive line is awesome. They
have multiple sweet running backs. One guy a physical player
that overtime drive. You can just hand him the ball
every play right up the gut and he will drag players.
The other running back is like the new young Alvin Kamara.
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They have one of the best, if not the best,
current possession wide receiver Sat Brown, who can work the
middle of the field. The play he made to night
when he slipped hit the ball down was incredible. They
have one of the best young tie in the NFL.
And now they have Jamison Williams who has a little
basketball player to him. Every time he goes down, you're like,
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is he injured? And then he kind of limps off.
Then he comes right back and he's fine. But he
has elite speed, so they can stretch the field. They
can work the middle of the field, they can get
to the edges runner on runs with their quick running back.
They can shove it up the gut with their physical
running back. And their offensive line is just gonna shove
your defensive line back. So their offense is as complete
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as there is in the NFL. You could argue player
for player. Quarterback clearly, like the Chiefs now have a
more complete offense, and you would take theirs because they
have no Mahomes. But if all quarterbacks are equal and
we're just judging the other ten guys, I think you
would put the Lions near the top. And the other
thing is the question with Dan Campbell always gonna be
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was like, what's he doing, just like with any CEO
head coach. Well, we saw Tomlin today. It's pretty clear
his teams are just ready for a fistfight. They live
for that shit. And that's kind of Dan Campbell like
his team has taken on his personality. That is a
physical team, and that is a team. When you play
like that, that translates to the biggest games. Now, Jared
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Goff got a little iffy with a couple passes. He's
gonna be their question mark. But I think I forget
the stat off the top of my head that they
play a ton of indoor games this year outside of Detroit.
Obviously they play indoors at home, and if they could
get the number one seed. Nickveigh called it last year,
that playoff game the loudest environment he's ever been in.
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It's a huge advantage. The other thing is when you
get a really high pick and you hit on that guy,
he usually is an exceptional player, right, it sucks when
you miss on him because of the draft capital. When
you take a guy like Trey Lance, you'd make a
huge trade or you know whoever. I mean, there have
been a million swing and misses over the years in
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the top five. But when you hit a home run
and you're like, we got Miles Garrett, we got Nick Bosa,
we got Aiden Hutchinson, and it was clear last year
that this guy was ready to take a step into
the next tier to become one of the better pass rushers.
And the thing in the NFL, it's such a pass
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happy league and the attrition of just offensive lineman. You
saw it tonight. The Rams felt like they were missing
their entire offensive line. They're moving guys left and right.
That the majority of guys, even when they're starters, are
not Pinay Seul or Trent Williams. They're gonna be relatively
you know, close to replaceable or a team would be
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open to replacing. And then when you get backups in
there are just major question marks. And he was eating
those guys alive. And I'll never forget. I was in
an office one time and the late Howard mudd Rip,
who many consider one of the greatest offensive line coaches
of all time, me and another scouting buddy, we would
just go into some of the old assistant coaches, especially
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like free agency or the draft and kind of pick
their brain. And I remember dropping like either me or
my buddy was like, yes, he doesn't have the feet
to play left tackle. Think he's more of a right tackle.
And he stopped He's like, what did you just say.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's like, when
I was with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis, we had Robert
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Mathis on one side and Dwight Freedi on the other side,
and any good pass rusher worth their salt can play
on either side. And when you watch the NFL now,
even teams that don't have two good pass rushers, the
moment they find your weakness, they'll move the guy over there.
We saw it on Thursday night with Chris Jones. He
was just finding the weak link and he would just
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move over the guy. Whether it was a guard, whether
it was right or left tackle, it didn't matter. And
you saw Aton Hutchinson at night moving around. You see
Michael Parsons do it all the time. And greatness when
you're able to move all around the line of scrimmage
and you have elite talent, his motor is awesome. Like
he's a guy headed towards stardom. Now, if Jared Goff
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turns the ball over, anything's possible. And tonight he puts
some balls in if he spots But to me, the
completion of their offense and they've had the same offensive
coordinator now for going on three years. He seems to
not want a head coaching job. He kind of just
looks like an offensive coordinator. When I saw Ben Johnson, like,
you should just stay as the Lions offensive coordinator, make
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like five million dollars a year and just run this
out for a little bit. But that offense is unreal
and if their defense is solid, they're gonna be a problem.
The thing I respect most about the Rams and any
good team, now that I do this, like I don't
have the two deeps memorized, especially practice squad guys. So
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as the course of an NFL season will go, like
any fan, you'll be like, who the hell is that guy?
Where'd that guy come from? Who's that? Obviously I know
a majority of guys in the NFL. But the thing
about football, unlike basketball, there are a lot of guys
on these teams that played for random colleges that you've
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never heard of, that were an undrafted free agent that's
been two years on the practice squad, and to play
on a good team, to play for the Ravens, to
play for Andy Reid, to play for Kyle Shanahan, to
play for these good teams, Obviously, as a starter, you
have to be good. But to stick around and to
handle training camp, handle the offseason, to handle the intensity
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of practice during the year, you gotta be a serious cat.
You gotta be kind of all in you. You gotta conform,
and you gotta be one of their type guys. It's
why when you see the Rams have a million injuries,
You're like, are they gonna get blown out? It's seventeen
to three. All of a sudden, you know, three or
four guys are going to the tent, going to the back.
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Pooka's hurt, Like, how are they gonna overcome this? Obviously, Stafford,
you know, turned into a Hall of Fame version of
himself and was awesome, and Cooper Cup looked like Chris
Carter on the sideline. But to me, that's culture is
you can implementt you can implement and put in guys
in an enormous spot on the road against one of
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the best teams in the league and go to toe
to toe with them. Now, eventually they ran out of gas.
I mean, that defense was just was shot. If it
was a video game one to one hundred, you know,
they would have been like close to zero. I mean
they were running on fume, so I don't blame him
for getting smoked on that last drive. But the second half,
playing with a bunch of random guys. They came to
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play because they're ready to play. Because the only way
you play in that operation is be a ready to
play type. Guy, take your shit seriously Monday through Saturday,
when no one's watching, when the majority of your snaps
for portions of your career are on scout team and
the only reps you might get are in like individual
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situations with the starters. Once you split up in practice,
you go to the the other side and you service
the other team. But do you take that really seriously?
The reason the forty nine ers loved Purty before he
even started because the defenders were all, like, God, this's
this guy's awesome on the scout team. How serious he
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takes it, how good he is against us, how hard
he is to defend. Like they really respected him, And
that happens on good teams. You earn the respect that way,
and that's how you improve. So when your number is called,
when this guy gets hurt or that guy gets hurt, one,
you know what you're doing. Right. It's not easy to
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play in the NFL Schematically, especially for guys like Sean McVay,
it's very complex, so you got to know the playbook.
But two, like it's not too big of a moment,
like you have prepared. And I saw the rams full
of dudes that like, that's a really really impressive thing
they got going. And I'm really glad that Sean McVay
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a couple of years ago turned down whatever it was,
fifteen plus million dollars a year to go work at
Amazon when he was kind of quote unquote burned out,
because he's a big addition of the league. Like that's
just he's a good coach. And obviously, and I think
we compare him, and I'm guilty of this, is like
he's synonymous with Kyle Shanahan. It's like, well, he's a
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Shanahan guy because he works for the Shanahans, right, He
worked for Mike and Kyle, and then they all have
the same guys that work under him, the floor brothers,
Like they're all kind of interconnected. He's actually much more
like Andy Reid. Kyle in that situation with all the
injuries to the offensive line, even with Stafford would have
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ran it at a much higher clip because at Kyle's core,
he wants to run the ball because that's what he's
learned from his dad. Run, run, run, and then set
up the pass off that that's not really who Sean is. Sean,
like Andy, wants to pass no matter what. And there
are points in the game when they were down it's like, God, Sean,
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run the ball a little bit more, but he can't
help it. Now, he'd go, I got Matt Stafford, who's
probably gonna be the best quarterback that I ever coach,
and Cooper cups healthy and Stafford will just figure it
out even if he has to scramble and move around
to save his life, because he did several times. But
Sean McVeigh at his core is kind of proven and
he proved this last year. He wants to pass, and
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where he has in common with both guys because whether
you're a run first guy or a pass first guy,
do you put a premium on physical practices and physical defenses,
Because the only way you get better and more physical
on defense is by practicing hard. And clearly, the Rams
now we have a sample size whether Aaron Donald is
there or not, and they showed him last night at
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the USC game. The fucking guy looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
It's like, I get he'd made enough money to accomplish
a lot, but there's no doubt in my mind that
if he just showed up to practice Monday or Tuesday
and played this Sunday, he would get a sack. He
looks fantastic, but you remove him and like their physicality
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didn't skip a beat. Ernest Jones wants more money. See
you later. We'll go with we got some undrafted free
agents that are coming up on the squad. We'll just
move on. But Pooka Nakua, like, we'll see what his
injury is. He had four catches before he got ruled out. Like,
if he can't go for a while, that's a pretty
big blow. He wasn't just like a revelation last year, like,
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oh look at this rookiers. He got one hundred and
five balls. He was one of the better wide receivers
in the NFL. Now part of doing that. Cooper Cup
was banged up in a shell of himself, and he
looked fantastic tonight. But if I gave you healthy Pooka
and healthy Cooper, even with this banged up offensive line
and the way Stafford's playing, you got major problems as
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his defense. I don't care who you are, And Stafford
was kicking himself. He had a chance to get a
big third down there late in the game, and he
kind of overthrew them. As he's in a lot of
pressure because when you're gonna pass it all the time,
and you got a bunch of backups in against Aiden Hutchinson,
who's gonna be easily one hundred million dollar guaranteed pass thresher,
it's hard, but I think at his core it's pretty
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clear like he wants to pass. He wants to pass,
he wants to pass. Maybe Ben Johnson wanted to run
in that final drive in overtime, but I will guarantee
you this, Dan Campbell was in the headset, run the ball,
run it down their throat, and then the moment it
works for a couple runs, run it again again again.
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Was it herb Brooks line in Miracle Again? I mean,
that's kind of what he was doing. And I don't
know if McVeigh would have done that, you know, not
because he's anti successful plays. But you have a core
philosophical belief as a coach, and it's kind of clear
when you lots of these two guys, both of them
like physical plays. It's why I gravitate towards certain type
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of coaches, why I like the Harbob Brothers. Tomin's got
his flaws, but I love the way that he thinks
about football. Like Cliff Kingsbury's never really been my style.
I'm not into that type shit. That style of football
isn't for me. I like more old school football. Now
you can have a new school flavor on it. And
like Andy would throw at every single play, but you
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better believe that his defense that he is gonna build
in Draft four is gonna be to inflict pain on you,
on a personnat basis, and I thought the Rams brought
it today. It was really impressive. What a fantastic game,
fantastic night for the NFL. Kind of a weird day.
Not some group. I wouldn't say great matchups today, but
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the primetime games the NFL has come through. Obviously the
Thursday and Friday night games, those two brands, I guess
those four brands. Those games games were really entertaining. And
then tonight was awesome. And hopefully Monday Night lives up
to the hype. Colin and I talked about Brady and
he gave his thoughts. I said, I thought he was
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pretty bad. Wasn't trying to over one game. It's not
the end of the world, but the one thing. And
I've been texting with a lot of friends watching Sunday
Night football. I do wonder what Tom's pitch is gonna
be because I thought about it, like, who are the
greatest announcers of my life? Well, John Madden by a
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country mile is the most popular, the most famous, and
easily the best. And then I think, in terms of
recent memory, the highest compensated, and just the most entertaining.
People nitpick them all the time, but we're gruding it
in Berkley, I think. And I was really hard when
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they hired Drew Brees. I'm like, this is boring. I
remember Matt Ryan doing games last year. I'm like, this
doesn't work. These guys were great football players. Matt Ryan
won an MVP. Drew Brees is a first ballot Hall
of Famer, shattered some records, was awesome for like fifteen years.
But being good at that does not make you entertaining.
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And the one thing I hoped, because Tom was such
a good teammate, such a guy's guy. I do think
it's difficult for that to come out when you're not
used to it. Like talking on a mic and being entertaining,
whether you're calling a game, whether you're a radio host,
whether you're a talk show host, whether you're a podcaster,
is not easy. It's why a tiny percent of people
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that do it are successful in terms of make money
and get people to watch. It's hard. I can count
on like two hands the people that I think are
really entertaining either on TV or radio, slash podcast. It's
difficult to do. So. The more I thought about Tom Brady,
of course he was kind of bad today, Like it's
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just he's I've never done this. He has done these
trial runs when no one is watching and the game
has already been played. Who cares. That's impossible. The only
way to get better at anything. That's why I've always
been a huge believer of playing young players is through experience. Now,
the hard part is as a player or like a
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manual worker or something like, you could just kind of
just keep doing it and physically go at it. This
is not one of those things like Tom. The overall
percentage of people that watch football is large, right relative
to all other television shows. It's millions upon millions of people.
I saw like thirty million people watch Thursday night football.
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I'd imagine to night the number is very similar. You
have a lot of people watching, and you watch Collinsworth
and I bet if I got on Twitter or Reddit
or something, you'd see opinions all over the place. He's
just loose and he's fun, and he talks a little
bit in football LNGO. But there's a reason that the
x's and O shows have never had any success on television,
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in podcasts, even on the blogs, because that stuffs boring
for anyone who is not a die die, die hard
football guy. Unless you're truly doing it for a living.
It's like it's not gonna resonate. So what resonates with
people is much more surface level with entertainment value mixed in.
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And I think the hard part for Tom over this
next season is like, how can you just loosen up?
How can you just kind of be a little bit
more relatable? And then it kind of hit me. I
do think it's gonna be difficult for a guy who
is as rich and famous as Tom Brady to be
relatable in that setting, even if he could have a
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beer with me or you and be relatable, because I
bet he could. I bet Tom Brady could come over
to my house, sit in the backyard, have a beer
and we could have a pretty easy conversation. But I
think that spot when he's feeling the pressure and he
hasn't had a job like this with this many people watching,
besides being a player, when he's been less prepared. I
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mean when he was playing for the Tampa Bucks, he
had twenty plus years of playing, being coached by Belichick,
being coached by guys like Charlie Weis, Josh McDaniels, Bill O'Brien,
playing in the biggest games. He's seen it all. And
now like Kevin Burkhardt, who's the ultimate pro's been doing
it forever, is like really smooth, He's fantastic at his job.
Tom Rinaldi, I mean, nobody is better at his job
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than Tom. But that's all these guys have done. And
then you put Tom in there, and all he has
going for him right now is he's Tom Brady. He's
really famous. But you're watching him, You're like, where, what's this?
What's going on? And I do defend him like it
would be a tough situation to be thrown into. And nobody,
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I don't care how rich you are, unless you're like
Jeff Bezos is turning down almost four hundred million dollars
to call football games. But I don't know what his pitches,
whether you like Tony Romo or not. And listen, I've
been up in you know, warm and cold on the guy.
He has a pitch. He's really fun, he's really energetic.
Chris Collinsworth somewhat similar. He's kind of the old uncle
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who's just like God, this guy's just having a good
time watching ball. Aikman kind of like an old school
red ass. He will light people up. Tom was lighting
nobody up today. I mean, Deshaun Watson is an embarrassment,
an absolute embarrassment for the NFL. Think about it. He
got one of the most historic trades we've ever seen
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in terms of draft compensation. He got the biggest contract
in the history of the league, and he's a bottom
five starter in the NFL. Like it's a joke. And
everyone there is not a football fan today who was
watching that game that wasn't texted with someone being like,
what is this? And Tom was like, Eh, he just
needs to work a little bit more. He just needs
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to get a feel as a group, Like, no, Tom,
this guy blows thirty million people on their couches are
literally all saying it. Maybe there's a few. It's like,
well he's got some backup offensive lineman. He's being paid
sixty million dollars a year to run around if he's
getting chased. He can't even do that anymore. And it's like,
you gotta be able to say something if you're not
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gonna be the fun guy, right, you're not gonna be
collins Worth, Like, oh, Mike, you know, jee Gibbs, you
gotta be ake Aikman would have taken a blow torch
right there. So you gotta be one or the other.
And it feels like I don't know if Tom well,
I know he doesn't know because he doesn't have a
style yet. But he was just styleless that there was nothing.
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It'd be like a pitcher, who just what do you
want to throw? It's like I don't know, Well, if
you got a fastball, you gotta change up. You gott
a curveball, Like what's your We got two strike count here,
we need to get an out. What's your go to pitch?
I don't really have one. I just kind of I
don't know. It's a problem, and it's it's gonna be
a little bumpy than even I thought, like I like Tom.
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I told Colin that I admire the guy, his just
his life story, the late round pick, how hard he works,
how much people like him. But now he's like he's
an entertainer for me. He's calling one of the biggest
games of the week every single Sunday. And it was
atrocious and it really was. And he couldn't have a
better crew. Like it's like, could there be easier people
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to work with than Tom Rinaldi and Kevin Burkhart. It
doesn't get any easier. And he was bad. And I
think sometimes I hate it when like everyone's saying something,
but I think this is gonna be one of those
where universally, like everyone's in agreement, Like that was a
rough watch. One thing that was not a rough watch
is the Steelers defense, and that unit today was gave
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the Atlanta Falcons a physical beat down. And this was
the same team they told Bill Belichick they weren't interested
they drafted a quarterback with the number eighth overall pick
when they had just give him Cousins one hundred million dollars,
and I said, at the moment they did this, and
I like Mike Pennock or Michael Pennocks more than most.
I think he's a pro, ready, plug and play guy.
Is I think we looked at the Cousins as like
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you were signing Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, like when
Denver and Tampa signed those two guys. It's like this
guy who had turned into a good player two years
ago and probably for like a five game stretch last
year before he tore his achilles, but for most of
his career, I would say No. One was just more
polarizing because he was making a lot of money and
people just like, is he any good? We know he's
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not bad, but like, is this guy top ten guy?
And he'd have moments where he clearly was, but his
equity was always floating somewhere like twelve to sixteen. And
then he goes to this brand new team, it's like
this guy's the savior. And then the Steelers and TJ.
Watt today were working him, destroying and then he's throwing interceptions.
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His last pick toward the end of the game was
just low level bad. I mean bad quarterback play, and
you wonder when a guy has no equity and is
getting worked by a team that listen, I was guilty of.
I thought I was gonna stink, And maybe they don't
because the culture of Mike Tom was like, yeah, we'll
just win every game eighteen to fifteen, eighteen to ten,
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seventeen to thirteen. We have no problem playing like that,
and if they stay healthy on defense, they probably can't.
And they worked Atlanta in the second half with Justin Fields,
who is like much more of a runner than a pastor,
though he made some good passes today. And I do
wonder Atlanta who carried themselves like we know what we're doing.
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Rare Heie Morris said, Like they asked him why is
your staff so big, because they have one of the biggest,
if not the biggest staff in the league. He said,
because we plan on winning, and when we lose coaches,
we will have reinforcements already here, so we don't need
to onboard on board new guys. I like guys that
believe in themselves. That seems like a pretty crazy thing
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to say. That seems like taking over the Mahomes chiefs here,
You're taking over a team that's won twenty one games
in the last three years, and all we've heard about
was how great their skill guys are. And then you're like, well,
is Bjohn some moll star. Kyle Pitts has already banged up?
Is he maybe one of the most overrated draft picks
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of all time? And we just got that one wrong.
So maybe their talent is a tad bit overrated. And
the other thing is Raheem Well, he was an excellent
defensive coordinator for the Rams. I would say for Sean
mcvay's tenure, all their defensive coordinator's been good. Brandon Taley
was good for them. Shula mcveigh's buddy from college looks
sweet Wade Phillips was awesome. Maybe they just draft and
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developed good defensive players under McVeigh. So to just assume
this guy's gonna be a good head coach, How can
we do that? And now they're already kind of backs
up against the wall some negativity on Cousins. It just
gets weird fast. And on the Steelers side, obviously, Russell's
calf is banged up. I guess I saw someone on
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the internet say that he actually heard it a couple
of days before training camp, pushing the sled or something.
Just Russell working out twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
If he does get healthy this week, under no circumstances,
can you not just keep rolling out justin fields. Does
he have some flaws, yes, but the talent in there
and his ability to run for a team that just
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is gonna be offensively limited sometimes on the outside beside,
George Pickens to me, he asked to play, and if
I was a Steeler fan, until he either gets injured
or has like multiple three or four pick games and
we lose, I'm rolling with this guy. I'm rolling with
the young guy. I do not want to see Russell
Wilson dinkin duck funny. I was at the gym early
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this morning, and when I got back right at like
ten o'clock as the games were kicking off, I didn't
see that, like and I tried to look it up
on the internet. I couldn't quite find it. If Russell
was the third quarterback because he technically wasn't active, so
I don't know if he technically could have played or
they it basically ruled him out. He was in shoulder pads,
so if he was truly inactive and couldn't play in
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Warre's shoulder pads. Kind of a geeky, dorky move. That
is the reason no one takes them seriously. Want to
do a little overrated, underrated obviously Atlanto. I mean we
just hit on. I never bought into it. I just
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refuse to buy into it, and I feel more validated today.
The hype on this team, talking about like they were
just gonna win twelve games was crazy. Talk to me
like Cousins and Raheem Morris were Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.
I've been saying this for a while. I understand they
played the Panthers, but I thought the Saints were underrated.
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Their defense is good. They have a really good defense,
a huge part why they went nine to eight last year.
If you have a good defense in college or the NFL,
you are going to be competitive. But Derek Carr gets
to play in the Shanahan system now. It is a
very quarterback friendly offense. It makes four easy throws when
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you're running the ball well, which the Saints are going
to be able to do. No team has more money
invested into their running back room than the Saints. It's
really easy to pass the ball and Kubiak, whose dad
played and coached for Mike Shanahan and then started Kyle's career.
I would say, might as Well's last name be Shanahan
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knows this offense as well as anybody not named Gary Kubiak,
Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan. This is gonna work. They're
going to be dramatically better on offense. Everyone thought they
were gonna suck, like I just did not get it.
Like Derek Carr has proven if you just give him
solid coaching in a solid team like he can be competitive.
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He can be Kirk Cousins. But everyone acts like Derek
Carr is like Deshaun Watson or something. And today I
know we had a really good game, But I just
mean over the course of the season, even if they
win similar game nine to ten, like they can win
the division. The most overrated football team of the last
twenty five years consistently is Notre Dame Football. One of
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the best things on the Internet yesterday was Thomas Hammock,
the coach at NIU. Turns out he actually coached for
the Ravens for a while. Former running back at Niu
had bounced around a little bit and has been their
head coach now for several years. They got paid one
point four million dollars. Like a lot of these games, right,
you get paid between one point two to one point
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eight million dollars to go play one of the big
boys because the Big Boys viewed as a lock win,
we get an easy ten twenty point win. Give you
a check win win. He went in there and he
won as a thirty point underdog. And listen, Notre Dame
last week beat TEXA and m who had a quarterback
who could throw it about as well as me, and
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then to lose this game. Riley Leonard, I read a
great article on an athletic. Seems like a fantastic human being.
And he's obviously a good runner. He couldn't throw, he
couldn't hit water if he was in a boat in
the middle of the lake. He's an awful thrower. And
Notre Dame is just always so overrated. I mean that
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program the moment the Oregon game was on last night
on Peacock, they're literally doing live hard knocks of Notre Dame.
People want to anoint them, like I'll give the Cowboys credit,
like at least they win their division and beat good
teams throughout the regular season. Notre Dame last year lost
a fucking Marshall and now or two years ago and
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this year lose to NIU, it's gotta be one of
the worst losses in the history of the program. Absolute
embarrassment and no program. They gotta just be the most overrated.
They're still talked about like it's Lou Holtz nineteen eighty seven,
it's twenty twenty four. Your skill guys are never good enough.
And maybe it's because of the academic requirements they can't
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get in. The guys to school like Ohio State or
LSU or Alabama or whatever. Regardless, you don't have them
and they do. And to play ANIU, who I guarantee
if you had to do one through fifty an NFL
GM on the rosters, there wouldn't be many ANIU players picked.
So just a horrendous loss. This guy was rated the
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most overrated player in the NFL by players. Might be
one of the most egregious things in the history of
the league. Tyreek Hill being number one overall in the
players vote a little crazy just because like Holis Patrick Mahomes,
But I think all of us would agree Tyreek got
a little Scottis Scheffler treatment today. I didn't know. Tyreek,
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who I think I've seen on a podcast, said that
he wanted to be a porn star when he was
done playing. I think he has like twelve kids. He
literally said that he also wants to be a cop,
and I think he said when he was getting arrested
he was on the cops, I want to be a cop.
Which can you imagine Tyreek Hill when he becomes a
cop and someone tries to run away, He's like, Hey,
I'll give you like a ten minute head start. Just
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just take off down the road. You're screwed. I'm gonna
get to pretty quick. He'd be a fast cop, but
I get it. Tyreek to me is one of the
best players of his generation, one of the greatest players
I've ever seen. But people saying Josh Allen is overrated?
Are you guys on drugs? Are we watching the same stuff? Like?
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Or Josh Allen on the Bills? Is there another Josh Allen,
another team? Josh Allen the guy play? Does he play
for the Panthers or something? Because the dude on the
Bills is one of the best players I've ever seen,
easily He's definitely one of the more physically talented players
I've ever seen, and he wins and he produces every
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single year. Today they're getting their ass kicked by the Cardinals,
who were just a tough team to play week one
because of Kyler. It was like, yeah, I'll just figure
out a way. I'll score four touchdowns. Break my hand,
tweak my hand, whatever, wrap that shit up. I'm ready
to roll. Like, what are we talking about? Lamar Jackson
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has so many defenders. Every corner of the internet, every podcast,
everyone's defending Lamar, which I get. I root for the
guy too. I want him to get better, but he's
a very flawed player. For being a great player a
huge reason for his greatness. He's arguably the greatest runner
we've ever seen at the position, but as a thrower,
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he's very hit or miss. Josh is an infinitely better thrower,
and while he's not as fast as Lamar, he's got
some Cam Newton to his running game. Running guys, over
running over guys, an incredible red zone runner in terms
of quarterback sweeps. Overrated, it's fucking laughable. Overrated. I had
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a little money on this game, and it was tough.
I'm not gonna lie when Tyreek got a rest. I
don't root for any of this stuff. But when you
do have money on a team, like I did with
the Jacks, and you see the best player of the
other team get arrested, my first thought was, God, they're
gonna win. He's not gonna play today, and then obviously
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cuffs off. He's playing, and by the middle of the
game he's hitting like a seventy yard bomb over the middle.
I'm like, fuck Doug Peterson today, and I still quite
is Doug Peterson calling the plays, Press Taylor calling the plays.
They were dominating that game, and in the second half
from their own thirty he went forward on fourth down. Now,
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Miami ended up missing the field goal, but the play
call to do that. I'm all for being aggressive. I'm
a pro aggressive guy, not Brandon Staley aggressive. But there
are points in time go for it. Totally get it.
I can't get behind and understand the logic. I don't
give a shit how many Harvard and Mit graduates that
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are handing you Excel spreadsheets that tell you to do
stuff like that. If you don't get it. They have
two incredible offensive weapons in Waddle and Hill. You're giving
them the ball with thirty yards to score a touchdown
thirty yards that's insanity. He missed the field goal. Ultimately whatever,
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it didn't cost him points. They ended up losing the game.
But that's a game that I don't know how Doug
sleeps well at night. You cannot lose that game. You're
killing them and they got their offense just became futriative
in the second. They couldn't move the ball. They have
too many offensive weapons. You're paying your quarterback two hundred
million dollars guaranteed. How can you not throw for two
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hundred yards on the Miami Dolphins and last underrated? Honestly
didn't know much about this guy until last week when
he scored six touchdowns. Well, last night Oregon Boise State
was an incredible night game. It was on Peacock. They
had like their C team there. It kept blacking out.
Not an easy watch by any means. And I'm not
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anti Peacock. I pay for it. But the Peacock game
Thursday night or Friday night Eagles Eagle who they play
Eagles Packers. I was wrong on Jordan Love thought he
rolled his ankle towards mcl or mcl sprain or whatever.
He's out three to six. So take the l on that.
Maybe I'm not a good television doctor. But the Peacock
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broadcast Oregon Boise State. Who I had a little money
on Oregon because I thought they would Oh, Boise State,
great program, has never lost to Oregon, but like Oregon
just got embarrassed against Idaho. I thought they would kill
him all of a sudden, Oregon's losing and Boise State's
running back last year his name is Ashton Genty, ran
for about thirteen hundred and fifty yards six yards per carry,
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fourteen touchdowns, caught another forty three balls in five touchdowns.
Some scouting buddies like, I really liked the guy. Last
week he almost ran for three hundred yards and six touchdowns,
but it was against Georgia's Southern Against Oregon, he had
twenty five carries, one hundred and ninety two yards and
three touchdowns. I'm texting around, I'm like, is this guy
going in the first round? And I had a buddy say, well,
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he's probably closer to five to six than five to eight.
He's really small, so he's not a first rounder, but
he is easily one of the best players in the country.
So I googled Darren Sprolls, who when he played for
Kansas State was also one of the best players in
the country, but he was tiny. He went in the
in This guy is physical runner, he's fast, he can
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go outside, and he obviously can catch the ball. I'm
not saying he's exactly Darren Sproles, but I think there
are some parallels. Really small guy, Darren Sproles went in
the fourth round. I looked yesterday, Darren Sproles played fourteen
years in the NFL. Not saying Darren Sprowl should have
gone in the top ten, but I promise you this,
he probably should have been drafted in the second round.
And that's where this guy's gonna go. So if you
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get a chance, Boys State's on watch their running back
because Ashton genty and I've watched a lot of college
football these first couple weeks. I'm not saying he's gonna
get drafted the highest, but there can't be ten better
college players right now did play on Saturdays and that guy,
so props to him. He's got nine touchdowns. He has
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nine touchdown he played eight quarters of football. He has
nine touchdowns, just an incredible effort so far. It's September.
It was September seventh. It was September seventh, and he
finished with nine touchdowns, so maybe he can get to thirty.
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