April 26, 2025 • 32 mins
Middlekauff REACTS to all things NFL Draft on day 2 from Green Bay, Wisconsin. John dives into the continuous fall of former Colorado star Shedeur Sanders and his prospects of being selected on Day 3. John disagrees with the selections of Tyler Shough from the New Orleans Saints, Jalen Milroe from the Seattle Seahawks, and Dillion Gabriel from the Cleveland Browns over Sanders. John further discusses if taking Sanders will be worth the publicity and if you are getting a motivated quarterback or a difficult one. John also discusses the good draft teams like the Chicago Bears and the Baltimore Ravens had. John wraps up by reacting to Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney's comments on impending free agent Aaron Rodgers.
00:21 - Shedeur Sanders Continues to Slide
06:18 -Tyler Shough
07:41 - Jalen Milroe
08:55 - Dillion Gabriel
19:01 -Chicago Bears Draft night
22:15 - Pittsburgh Steelers hoping on Aaron Rodgers decision
23:34 - New England Patriots snag Ohio State RB Treyveon Henderson
26:02 - Baltimore Ravens Good Draft
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? The third round of
the NFL Draft just ended, and I thought, you know what,
(00:24):
let's let's go in the old office and record a
little podcast, record a little reaction to tonight, a story
that one day might become a thirty for thirty. As
someone said in our three and out text chain that
I was like, Yeah, this is this is pretty nuts
and we'll just dive right into it. Chador Sanders has listen.
(00:44):
Sometimes stories can be overhyped, like last night the Chador Sanders.
I don't watch the ESPN broadcast. I'm an NFL network guy,
so I can't speak to the mel Kiper never shutting
up about it. And I'm pro Melkiper, but I don't
have I did not watch his reaction last night, which
by all accounts was pretty aggressive constantly on a night
(01:06):
when all these guys are getting drafted in the first round,
like I understand the pushback tonight, like it is kind
of the story. And when you don't get drafted at
all in the second and third round, and countless other
quarterbacks who we will dive into that, I think it's
fair to say that you were a better prospect than
get drafted over you like pretty crazy night. And I'm sure,
(01:27):
like many of you, a million texts from countless people
about one specific thing, like what's going on? How bad
is it? Do people really hate him this much? Like
there's no way around it as we sit here tonight,
the NFL does not like this guy. They do not
like this guy because the tape, like we've all seen it,
we all watched him play football, was fine, he was good.
(01:50):
Now we could nitpick him. How good was he? Definitely
good enough to be drafted in the top ninety five
one hundred picks? And the interview is like the other
thing is I you know, you see some of these
former players that are up in arms, you know, trying
to justify the madness of like, guys, do you know
(02:12):
how many red flag guys were drafted in the first round? Countless?
Do you know how many guys at night with massive
red flags got drafted? The Baltimore Ravens drafted a guy
who was accused of sexual assault.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
In high school and college, and they went to rap
sheet after the pick and he's like, yeah, a lot
of teams were not comfortable with his answers on when
asked and pressed about these situations during the process, he
was not on their draft board.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
A lot of guys that get drafted all over the
league not on draft boards. And these are like criminal,
legitimate things off the field that should terrify you, and
teams are like, you know what, great inside move can
get to the passer, good enough value draft him now,
So it gets to the point of whatever they think
and whatever happened between the season ending, which for Colorado
(03:05):
was whatever at the end of December too. Now during
the draft process, the Senior Bowl, I guess he went
to the East West game. But the combine the personal
interactions and interviews couldn't have been a bigger disaster. And
it's been reported on. I honestly never really dug into
it because I didn't really care that much. Plus I
(03:27):
didn't think it was gonna be that big a deal
because most stuff isn't that big a deal. If you're
a good player, they will overlook criminal fucking activity if
you can play. They literally did to night and last night,
red flags all over the place, like this guy can
set the edge, this guy can protect our quarterback, this
guy can score touchdowns. You know why, because most of
(03:49):
these guys, when they go into an interview situation, just
like all of us are on our best behavior. And
it had been well reported back at the Combine that
whatever his interactions were with specific GMS and coaches was
a disaster, and now it's not even disputable because it
was like, you know, the Vegas Raiders, Tom Brady, he's
(04:12):
a Shadoor Sanders guy. It felt like they had about
ten picks to night. I mean, they're drafting small school
offensive lineman, random wide receivers, not random. The TCUK looks good,
but honestly, I kind of like the Raiders' draft. But
the point is that they had countless opportunities to do it,
didn't do it. The Steelers it's one thing to pass
them on him in the first round. They take a
(04:32):
defensive tackle. They don't have a second round pick. But
all we heard, and I've said this over, I believed it.
Mike Tomlin loved Shador. It's like, yeah, I can see it.
Just Tomlin, Dion probably buddies, probably known Chador for a
long time, likes them. They need a quarterback. Then they
got the opportunity to draft them in the third round
and they don't. Then you're like, uh, this thing's probably over,
(04:54):
and now you wonder like, where's he gonna go? Because
last year you had six guys get drafted in the
top twelve picks. None of those teams are an option for.
And then I was thinking, you have a bunch of
like veteran quarterbacks, right, guys like Mahomes or Lamar or
Herbert or Burrow. You just go the Jalen Hurts right,
(05:16):
just all the veteran quarterbacks. Those teams who are gonna
get to a point like is there value in this?
Do they want to just bring the hoop law that
is now behind this because now this story went from
like an intriguing story in the first round to like
a way bigger story now through the second and the
third round. I can't tell you the variety of individuals
(05:41):
I have gotten text messages about, specifically about this player,
which is unheard of. Usually it's like what do you
think about so and So's team draft? Like you like
what you like what the Raiders did tonight. It's like
NFL players, dudes around the NBA, for former coaches, current coaches, scouts,
I mean the opinions. Everyone's got an opinion and a
(06:02):
thought and they're all in agreement. The NFL can't stand
this guy, and no one can argue that. And listen,
I've said over and over like I thought, he's a
pretty good player. I wouldn't say he's Andrew Locke or
Peyton Manning, but definitely worthy of a top one hundred
draft pick, especially in a league where a guy like
Tyler Shuck I like Kellen Moore. I'm pro Kellen Moore.
(06:25):
I'm rooting for Kellen Moore. Doug nuss Meyer I worked
with him back at Fresno State. He's Kellen's right hand man,
his offensive coordinator. He's the dad of Garrett, the LSU quarterback.
I'm pro the nus Meyer More combination. I can't get
behind this Tyler Shuck pick. I mean he's he's older
(06:45):
than Brock Perdy, who is a four year college starter
and who has been a three year NFL starter. Like,
I'm sorry. The advantage you have he's been replaced in
two programs. As someone said on the broadcast tonight, he
was a multi year backup for Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert
is in like year two or three of his contract
extension in the NFL. So the advantage I have as
(07:09):
a twenty five, twenty six year old of knowledge playing
in college football for years, going up against dbs that
are eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old. Yeah, I'm gonna look good.
I get he throws a nice ball. I'm sorry. I'm
out on that draft pick. Now, the dog video was
really cool. I'm behind that, But in terms of like
(07:31):
thinking that, I don't know. I think that one's insane.
The Jalen Millroe pick. Like, you couldn't watch Jalen Milroe
this year and think he's a better player than Shador
Sanders at quarterback. But where does Mike McDonald come from
the Ravens? Who do you have a front row seat
for Lamar Jackson? What was everyone saying a couple weeks ago. Hell,
(07:52):
I think I think even Andrew Barry said it in
his press conference last week. The Jalen milroe'll be the
only guy in the league who's faster than Lamar. And
this guy is a freak athlete. And if you just
watch the first half of Georgia, he could have been
the number one overall pick. Now you can watch other
games where he looks like an undrafted free agent. But
(08:14):
Mike McDonald, and here's the thing, especially you know first
and second and third year coaches, they go based off
experience of where they previously used to be. I understand
that pick plus in the third round, like Malik Willis
was a third round pick. Jalen Milroll clearly high character,
good guy, I would imagine, interviewed pretty well, and you
take a chance and you're not forcing him to play. Hell,
(08:35):
he's their third stringer, right They got Sam Donald's their starter,
Drew Locks their backup, and he'll be their third stringer
and they just work with him as a project. Worst
case he's Malik Willis who actually had a good game
this year. But I mean best case that they can
develop him into something. The Dylan Gabriel one with Cleveland
is now, I don't like necessarily Shador and Cleveland either.
(08:56):
To me, he's got to be in a good weather,
dome environment, and I think that for any weak arm
or average arm quarterback. And that's what Dylan Gabriel is.
When I think Dylan Gabriel, I do not think Cleveland,
Ohio win pumping playing the Baltimore Ravens or the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I think that picks kind of crazy and even rap sheet.
When he came on television to night, he's like guys.
(09:18):
Clearly he had talked to someone in Cleveland, like, get ready,
there's a decent chance that Dylan Gabriel is going to
be off the board before Shadoor. But I saw Colin
go on, you know, a rant on his television show
today about humility, and I had said something weeks ago
when I think Todd mcshah had brought up how bad
his interviews went, and I had said, this might have
(09:40):
been a month or two ago. Whenever that story first broke,
I said, all these guys are used to every single scout,
every single GM, every single coach. If you've been in
the league a while, you have talked to a million
prospects and ninety nine percent of them go the same way.
Doesn't mean they go well in terms of like you
come away, Oh this guy's really smarter, this guy loves football,
(10:04):
or whatever. But most guys are just like we all
do in interviews, try to be on our best behavior
and just try to be really respectful and just do
everything in a positive light. And some of these guys, right,
if you've been in trouble, you're getting asked tough questions.
It's not a comfortable environment all the time. But guys
are just trying to be really good right in terms
(10:25):
of like I want them to like me. Why these
are a million dollar job opportunities. So I would say
most of these situations, especially with quarterback, are all like,
you know, really good kid can't play, but really good
kid like them, and you want most of your quarterbacks
and historically they have been beside the great ones. Now,
if you're great, if you're a great player, you gotta
(10:47):
act like however you want to act why cause you're
that good? And this is pro sports and at the
end of the day, there are only so many great players.
So if I'm at Dual Carter and certain teams want
me to come interview and come to thirty visit, and
I say, you know what, kiss my ass. I can
do that because I'm Abdul Carter. You know where. I
can't do that. If I'm like a guy that's gonna
go in the third or fourth round, that's just dumb,
(11:08):
bad business. And I think whatever happened with Shador, the
disconnect between reality and what like the end, it's not
one team, this is the entire league, and the entire
league is clearly really turned off. I didn't see it
coming Honestly, I wasn't even pay attention because I didn't
even think this was possible. And now we're sitting at
a spot we're going into Saturday morning. I mean, Mike
(11:32):
Florio posted and honestly, it's not the craziest take. He's
lost so much money and he was clearly making a
lot of money at Colorado. That can he figure out
a way to go back to school now the rules
say he's already too far deep he can't come back.
But as Florio wrote, like everyone's soon in the NCAA
and they just wilt because they don't want to lose.
(11:53):
They just give in and they lose every lawsuit. So
is it the craziest thing? Now? Florio thought he should
go back to school and go play for someone other
than Dion to try to, I don't know, bump up
a stock because you don't even need that. Like Jalen
Milroe did not have a good season, got drafted in
the third round. Tyler Shuck not a soul was talking
(12:16):
about Tyler Shuck up until like the combine, like you
don't even need Like the crazy part is getting drafted
sometimes is not about like especially in the second third round,
it's about traits, it's about and he was played pretty well.
So I'm kind of shocked. Like most people, I didn't
(12:37):
expect him not to get drafted in the second or
the third round. I guess maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm
and listen, I don't buy into like all the bullshit
you see on TV, but like I've watched football long
enough to know what like a second or third round
prospect look was, Like I thought he'd get drafted in
the second round, but clearly I mean teams like the
(12:58):
Raiders are a good example. They play in a dome,
their pseudo minority owner Tom Brady like has a closer relationship,
like known this guy for a while, and the Raiders
brought him in for a visit, like he and Pete
Carroll is, I would say, as open minded and liberal
with like all the everything that goes on with players,
(13:20):
as any coach in the league, Well, Andy's up there.
The Chiefs, you know, a few red flags with their
draft picks, but you can do that. It just shows you, like,
if people think you can play, they will basically overlook anything.
That's the craziest part anything. I mean the amount of
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guys who's like off the field red flags are way
worse than anything we've ever heard from Shador of just
like not showing respect to a head coach, which is
kind of crazy. I mean, I'm sorry, Like, if you're
meeting with people and not doing everything possible as a
quarterback to just try to impress them and show that
you're a good guy, Like i'd judge you too if
(14:05):
I was in their shoes, Like, I don't blame them
if that's what happened. And the only people that know
about these interactions are these coaches and these gms, and
a couple got out, but it was clearly way worse
than we knew. Like there's no disputing that now, there's
just no one can argue that. And I just think
that this is one of those stories. Is this one
(14:26):
of the worst slides. It's hard to say slides because like,
did he fall out of the first round, Most people
didn't have a first round great on him, But to
not get drafted today, I'd say is one of the
uh more eye opening moments in recent memory from I mean,
he's doing he's on the commercial where he says it's legendary.
(14:47):
You know, I wouldn't say getting drafted on Saturday morning
when they start going to like, I mean, think about
the stupid stuff they do on Saturday during the draft.
It gets really I love football, I make my living,
e talking about it. Saturday during the draft can be
a difficult watch. It's usually when a lot of coaches
and gms start doing interviews in the middle of the draft.
(15:08):
Draft rooms doors are wide open, people going in and
out eating food. It is much more relaxed. I mean,
the first round is like a very stiff night in
these buildings. Second round relaxes a little bit. The Saturday
is a free for all, I mean, depending on where
your beers might start coming out in the sixth rounds.
(15:29):
So if you said, what round does he get drafted
and tomorrow John, I'd be like, I don't know. I mean,
at this point in time, if you tell me no
team drafts them, I'd say, that sounds pretty crazy. But
how's that not believable? At this point? Is he like
some lock to get drafted in the fourth round? How
could you say that? I mean, the third round picks
that this was known as one of the worst drafts
in recent memory. And maybe it'd be one thing if
(15:53):
like no quarterbacks coming off the board, but Jalen Milrod,
Dylan Gabriel, and Tyler Schuck are flying off the board.
Oh man, you interview with people. I wonder if he
would like to have doovers on that one. And at
this point in time, wherever he does end up, assuming
that he can't go back to college, talk about the
ultimate humble pie. Holy shit, it'd be interesting to see
(16:17):
once Dion because I would imagine, you know, Dion's gonna
be a hot ticket. People are gonna want to talk
to him come Monday and Tuesday, whether it's first take
rich Eyesen, you know, people are gonna want to get
this dude on the horn. People won't want to get
a camera on this guy and get some takes from
Deon Sanders, And maybe that's part of it, you know.
(16:38):
I mean, in I remember like once you get to
college football, a lot of college coaches are like, I
don't want to talk to your mom and dad bitching
about your playing time, right, And that's in college, and
now you get to the pros now. Dion's obviously a
pretty I mean, he's one of the greatest players in
the history of the sport. I mean, he's one of
the greatest athletes in the history of America. So like,
(16:58):
I'm not saying he shouldn't have opinions, but at the
end of the day, he is the guy's dad. So
it's like, do you want to see this guy's dad
bitch and moan? And I would imagine my guess would
be he's gonna be pretty pissed off. So now if
I've drafted guy in like the fourth and fifth round,
there's like a balance of like, am I getting like
a humble driven like I want to prove everyone wrong?
Or are you getting really like an angry just like
(17:21):
kind of poudy guy. I mean, that's it's who knows.
And that's where I wonder if this thing could snowball,
it almost get worse. I would imagine it be hard,
I know, the floial thing going back to college, Like
at this point in time, it'd be tough to like
tuck your tail between your leg and go back to school.
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Speaker 1 (19:35):
Some other stuff happen tonight. It feels like the schnor
Standers Friday Night. It really does. The Bears. You talk
about a team that has done everything humanly possible to
support their quarterback. I started thinking tonight by the time
they made their second pick and they took Luther Burden,
(19:56):
who's pretty interesting player. Actually, if you think about it,
the Bears fired Eberflus, who's one of the bigger joke
head coach. It seemed like a nice guy and good
defensive mind. One of the worst head coaches we've ever seen.
And some guys you know him, Dennis Allen, like certain
guys especially defensive coordinators, have no business being a head coach. Listen,
Fangio is gonna go down as probably one of the
(20:17):
best defensive coordinators of his generation. You would not want
Vic Fangio to be your head coach so you could
be a great defensive coordinator, have no business running the team.
They replaced him with this boy, genius offensive mind in
Ben Johnson. Their offensive line was a joke. They immediately
sign and trade for two guards in the center who
are all good. They're gonna lose Keenan Allen. They draft
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Luther Burden, who probably would go higher if they weren't
for some off the field question marks. And who's a stud.
I mean, he's just been one of the better players
in the SEC the last couple of years. They draft like,
I'm not saying he's Travis Kelce, but like that type
tight end just in terms of great athlete, movement, route running.
Just a stud to go with Dj Moore who's already
(21:03):
on the team. So it's like the offense, they also
have a tight end who they gave a contract extension to.
I just don't know if it's humanly possible to add
more to your offense for your young quarterback. You know
a lot of people push back. This is the worst
spot for Caleb to go. This is where quarterback careers
(21:23):
go to die. It's like, I don't think Ryan Pols
can do much more. They have given him, even the
mistakes they made last year by screwing it up with
the offense. Oh and they drafted Rome last year. It's crazy.
I mean, the expectation obviously that division is gonna be
really hard. We know Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit are good,
but there are no excuses for that offense. For the
coach and the quarterback. There's gonna be a lot of
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pressure on those two individuals. And at the end of
the day, like Ben Johnson, people think he's good. You know,
Caleb has yet to prove in the NFL he's good.
So I'm fascinated to watch out this organization who hasn't
really been good handles this pressure, which is art. We
saw the Jets last year, who had been shitty for
a decade. When you've been bad, it's it's hard all
(22:07):
of a sudden to be like you should win a
ten or eleven games. And the Jets had Aaron Rodgers
and they completely got overwhelmed and it was like, this
is an embarrassment. Now sometimes you can flip it around.
Sometimes it's like, damn, these guys are actually pretty good.
But I think the Bears have done everything as an
organization if you're a fan to like make sure the
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offense is in position to have no excuses and have success.
It's all on just the quarterback running the genius offensive
coordinators plays correctly. Chiefs drafted a bunch of linemen. Obviously
the offensive tackle in the first round. They draft a
couple defensive linemen. Tonight, Art Rooney because when rap Sheet
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came on talking about if the Steelers would take Shador
Sanders at pick eighty three, he's like, you know, Art
Rooney actually just did a radio hit and he mentioned
if we do draft a quarterback, he's definitely not playing
this year. So he kind of alluded to like Ryan
not taking to door Sanders, and then he hinted at, yeah,
we've talked to Aaron Rodgers. We've been in contact and
all signs point to him wanting to be here. We
(23:12):
think it'll get done soon, So we might have some
Aaron Rodgers news in the next couple of days. Maybe
he officially signs with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and that would
make them definitely more intriguing than they are right out,
given that they do not have a quarterback. I do
like the running back that they took, Caleb Johnson from Iowa.
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And this is the thing, like they're going to be
running backs taken today and even tomorrow that are going
to be really good starters in the NFL. I would
be stunned if the Iowa running back Caleb Johnson is
not a productive player and is not i mean, the
Steelers starter and eventually be a bellcout like I'd expect
(23:52):
him to be good. I know the Broncos took the
UCF kid, I don't know that much about him. I
know they think he's a good wide receiving running back.
But the other two running backs, like I think the
Patriots getting getting Henderson from Ohio State, that's that's a
pretty good pick that that guy, I think. I honestly
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the running backs, both Ohio State guys going like essentially
back to back picks thirty six and thirty eight. Jenkins
went to Cleveland, who you know with Nick Chubb after
he got injured, was never quite the same. And I
think he's a free agent right now. But Jenkins, who
had was an Old Miss transfer, got outshined a little
bit as the season went on by Hendrickson Henderson. But
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I think a lot of people in the NFL, if
you just look at Junkins' body of work at Ole
Miss and then even this year, people like him a lot.
So both those two guys. I mean, Ohio State at
one point in time had six guys get drafted in
the top thirty eight, and which I did the math,
it was like seventeen percent up the draft had been
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Ohio State players, and the two best players on their team,
Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith, are not even draft eligible.
So think about the team just dominated and won the
National championship. If it wasn't for one of the worst
offensive game plans in the history of the football, they
wouldn't have lost to Michigan. But they just littered the
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top of the draft with players and their two best
players aren't even draft eligible. It's like tonight, as the
draft goes on, it's like another guard from Georgia, another
offensive line from from Georgia. There's another guy from Georgia, Georgia,
and Ohio State's like they just have an unlimited amount,
even Texas. Now it's crazy. I haven't done the math
on the second and third round. It feels like the
(25:43):
SEC produced seventy to seventy five percent of the draft
picks through the top one hundred picks. If you told
me how many picks have there been, like ninety eight
that I don't know, sixty eight of the one hundred
picks are SEC, I'd believe you. There have been one
(26:04):
hundred and two picks my guess right now, and I'll
look it up to when we'll know tomorrow, I'll be
one hundred and two picks. I guess seventy are from
the SEC. That seems a little eye sixty sixty six
are from the SEC. So essentially like sixty five sixty
four percent of the draft has been the SEC, and
(26:27):
then obviously another large percentage from the Big ten. Other
than that, I think the Raiders have just taking good players.
Pretty powerful story about the TCU wide receiver that they drafted,
whose brother had died in the in that car terrorist
(26:50):
attack in New Orleans. I remember the Senior Bowl when
he came off the field and his family was right
there and they all started crying. I think he was
a Senior Bowl MVP. I think he got the game win,
he touchdown and watching some of the highlights tonight and
the family, that was a really touching moment. I mean, honestly,
(27:11):
a lot of these moments of these kids with their family,
with their parents, with their grandparents, people that it's one thing.
Obviously people come into your life, you know, coaches and
stuff through college, but these people whoever raised you, your
tight knit you know, immediate family that have been in
(27:31):
your life when the only thing you had in common
with the NFL is it was a dream and you
loved sports at four or five, six, eight, nine, ten
years old whatever, and then to get that moment and
getting drafted. Obviously, getting drafted in the first round is
pretty cool. Getting drafted in the second and third round
is pretty badass too. I mean, the greatest player in
(27:51):
the history of this sport, Tom Brady, was drafting the
sixth round. So getting drafted on the second day is
pretty cool. And that never gets old. Seeing those clips
of coaches on the phone with them seeing their family
just erupt. I think the Eagle, the dude the Eagles
took at the end of the second round, had a
bunch of people at his house, and he stood up
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and he told him all to be quiet, and they
turned up the TV. And then whoever is announcing the pick?
I think it was bo Allen, you know, announces it,
and the place just goes nuts. It's just a very
in a world. Listen. I can be pretty cynical. I
can be pretty pessimistic, like all of us. I try
to be an optimistic, upbeat, positive, class half full person.
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I really make a conscious effort to be like that.
I try to surround myself with those type people. I
think we're all more productive when we have more of
a positive and optimistic spin on life than negative. But
you're around long enough, you do enough deals, you're in
the business world. You know, you live long enough to
lose people in your life. Like it's it's easy to
be cynical, and there is just something refreshing and positive
(28:57):
and cool. It's just and genuine about the draft. They're
just there's some human connection, and I think that like obviously,
football games and the NFL season and the college football
season is a lot of fun and there's a lot
of passion, and we root for our teams and roof
for whoever we're gambling on and it's it's pretty it's
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a sense of community that way for any of you
guys that go to games season ticket holders, whether it's
college or pro. But there's just like something I think
we all can relate to of like make you a
smile when you watch these guys, you know, enjoy the moment.
So many of these guys, the majority of them are
just like really good, high level dudes that just happened
(29:40):
to have hit the genetic lottery. And many of them,
you know, obviously worked hard through college and were pushed
hard at the best programs, whether it's from Ohio State
or Bama or Georgia or wherever, mainly the SEC. But
I just think tonight and even into tomorrow like that,
not everyone's obviously some guys I won't even get drafted, but
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the opportunity to play in the NFL. Such a small
percentage of people, like I, like probably many people watching
or listening to this, you'll play high school football. And
a tiny tiny percentage of people from high school football
go on to play Division one college football, let alone
college football at all, but Division I college football the
caream of the crop. There are only so many kids playing,
(30:22):
you know, power for college football or even non power
for places like Boise and you know, Fresno and San
Diego State, like it's gotta be really really good to
play at these schools. And then a small percentage of
those guys. I mean, I've gone to so many pro
days over the years. Most guys at pro days are
not going to play in the NFL. You know, we
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hype up these pro days. When you go to like
Ohio State Pro Day, Yeah, they got six or seven pros,
but there's another ten guys working out at that pro
day who are never gonna get a phone call, who
are never going to get invited to a training camp,
who played at Ohio State, who might even started at
Ohio State. Oh I might be picking the wrong let's
say like Minnesota or Mississippi State. Like I played in
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the Big Ten, I played in the SEC, I was
a starter. I had a Pro day. No one ever
calls me. I never get the call, and I was like,
I'm pretty good. I blocked a guy that's starting in
the NFL. I made seven tackles against Ohio State or Michigan. Right,
So it's it's very very difficult. I've always said, listen,
I am much more comfortable being critical during the season
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of coaches and front offices because you don't need to
be as talented to get to those spots. Now, obviously
the best at those positions Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh,
Sean mcvagh like, those guys are elite at what they do.
But there are a lot of coaches assistants that are
scam artists. Same thing with the scouting community. You can't
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scam your way to playing in the NFL. You just
cannot because you either have it or you don't. And
to get yourself there, like, you have to have a
body of work, and then to get there and stay like,
you gotta be fucking good. Now, maybe you could last
as a backup quarterback and not get forced into play,
but most other players, right, they rotate, So if you're
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not a starter, you're playing on special teams and it's
it's extremely difficult. So nothing but respect for all these kids. Now,
I guess some of these guys are you're not a
kid at twenty five, Like you're a kid at twenty
Like the forty nine ers drafted their first draft pick
was twenty years old. Like, that's a kid. Tyler Shuck
feels like a grandpa but very very cool night. I
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enjoyed it a lot. The volume
The volume. What is going on? The third round of
the NFL Draft just ended, and I thought, you know what,
(00:24):
let's let's go in the old office and record a
little podcast, record a little reaction to tonight, a story
that one day might become a thirty for thirty. As
someone said in our three and out text chain that
I was like, Yeah, this is this is pretty nuts
and we'll just dive right into it. Chador Sanders has listen.
(00:44):
Sometimes stories can be overhyped, like last night the Chador Sanders.
I don't watch the ESPN broadcast. I'm an NFL network guy,
so I can't speak to the mel Kiper never shutting
up about it. And I'm pro Melkiper, but I don't
have I did not watch his reaction last night, which
by all accounts was pretty aggressive constantly on a night
(01:06):
when all these guys are getting drafted in the first round,
like I understand the pushback tonight, like it is kind
of the story. And when you don't get drafted at
all in the second and third round, and countless other
quarterbacks who we will dive into that, I think it's
fair to say that you were a better prospect than
get drafted over you like pretty crazy night. And I'm sure,
(01:27):
like many of you, a million texts from countless people
about one specific thing, like what's going on? How bad
is it? Do people really hate him this much? Like
there's no way around it as we sit here tonight,
the NFL does not like this guy. They do not
like this guy because the tape, like we've all seen it,
we all watched him play football, was fine, he was good.
(01:50):
Now we could nitpick him. How good was he? Definitely
good enough to be drafted in the top ninety five
one hundred picks? And the interview is like the other
thing is I you know, you see some of these
former players that are up in arms, you know, trying
to justify the madness of like, guys, do you know
(02:12):
how many red flag guys were drafted in the first round? Countless?
Do you know how many guys at night with massive
red flags got drafted? The Baltimore Ravens drafted a guy
who was accused of sexual assault.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
In high school and college, and they went to rap
sheet after the pick and he's like, yeah, a lot
of teams were not comfortable with his answers on when
asked and pressed about these situations during the process, he
was not on their draft board.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
A lot of guys that get drafted all over the
league not on draft boards. And these are like criminal,
legitimate things off the field that should terrify you, and
teams are like, you know what, great inside move can
get to the passer, good enough value draft him now,
So it gets to the point of whatever they think
and whatever happened between the season ending, which for Colorado
(03:05):
was whatever at the end of December too. Now during
the draft process, the Senior Bowl, I guess he went
to the East West game. But the combine the personal
interactions and interviews couldn't have been a bigger disaster. And
it's been reported on. I honestly never really dug into
it because I didn't really care that much. Plus I
(03:27):
didn't think it was gonna be that big a deal
because most stuff isn't that big a deal. If you're
a good player, they will overlook criminal fucking activity if
you can play. They literally did to night and last night,
red flags all over the place, like this guy can
set the edge, this guy can protect our quarterback, this
guy can score touchdowns. You know why, because most of
(03:49):
these guys, when they go into an interview situation, just
like all of us are on our best behavior. And
it had been well reported back at the Combine that
whatever his interactions were with specific GMS and coaches was
a disaster, and now it's not even disputable because it
was like, you know, the Vegas Raiders, Tom Brady, he's
(04:12):
a Shadoor Sanders guy. It felt like they had about
ten picks to night. I mean, they're drafting small school
offensive lineman, random wide receivers, not random. The TCUK looks good,
but honestly, I kind of like the Raiders' draft. But
the point is that they had countless opportunities to do it,
didn't do it. The Steelers it's one thing to pass
them on him in the first round. They take a
(04:32):
defensive tackle. They don't have a second round pick. But
all we heard, and I've said this over, I believed it.
Mike Tomlin loved Shador. It's like, yeah, I can see it.
Just Tomlin, Dion probably buddies, probably known Chador for a
long time, likes them. They need a quarterback. Then they
got the opportunity to draft them in the third round
and they don't. Then you're like, uh, this thing's probably over,
(04:54):
and now you wonder like, where's he gonna go? Because
last year you had six guys get drafted in the
top twelve picks. None of those teams are an option for.
And then I was thinking, you have a bunch of
like veteran quarterbacks, right, guys like Mahomes or Lamar or
Herbert or Burrow. You just go the Jalen Hurts right,
(05:16):
just all the veteran quarterbacks. Those teams who are gonna
get to a point like is there value in this?
Do they want to just bring the hoop law that
is now behind this because now this story went from
like an intriguing story in the first round to like
a way bigger story now through the second and the
third round. I can't tell you the variety of individuals
(05:41):
I have gotten text messages about, specifically about this player,
which is unheard of. Usually it's like what do you
think about so and So's team draft? Like you like
what you like what the Raiders did tonight. It's like
NFL players, dudes around the NBA, for former coaches, current coaches, scouts,
I mean the opinions. Everyone's got an opinion and a
(06:02):
thought and they're all in agreement. The NFL can't stand
this guy, and no one can argue that. And listen,
I've said over and over like I thought, he's a
pretty good player. I wouldn't say he's Andrew Locke or
Peyton Manning, but definitely worthy of a top one hundred
draft pick, especially in a league where a guy like
Tyler Shuck I like Kellen Moore. I'm pro Kellen Moore.
(06:25):
I'm rooting for Kellen Moore. Doug nuss Meyer I worked
with him back at Fresno State. He's Kellen's right hand man,
his offensive coordinator. He's the dad of Garrett, the LSU quarterback.
I'm pro the nus Meyer More combination. I can't get
behind this Tyler Shuck pick. I mean he's he's older
(06:45):
than Brock Perdy, who is a four year college starter
and who has been a three year NFL starter. Like,
I'm sorry. The advantage you have he's been replaced in
two programs. As someone said on the broadcast tonight, he
was a multi year backup for Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert
is in like year two or three of his contract
extension in the NFL. So the advantage I have as
(07:09):
a twenty five, twenty six year old of knowledge playing
in college football for years, going up against dbs that
are eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old. Yeah, I'm gonna look good.
I get he throws a nice ball. I'm sorry. I'm
out on that draft pick. Now, the dog video was
really cool. I'm behind that, But in terms of like
(07:31):
thinking that, I don't know. I think that one's insane.
The Jalen Millroe pick. Like, you couldn't watch Jalen Milroe
this year and think he's a better player than Shador
Sanders at quarterback. But where does Mike McDonald come from
the Ravens? Who do you have a front row seat
for Lamar Jackson? What was everyone saying a couple weeks ago. Hell,
(07:52):
I think I think even Andrew Barry said it in
his press conference last week. The Jalen milroe'll be the
only guy in the league who's faster than Lamar. And
this guy is a freak athlete. And if you just
watch the first half of Georgia, he could have been
the number one overall pick. Now you can watch other
games where he looks like an undrafted free agent. But
(08:14):
Mike McDonald, and here's the thing, especially you know first
and second and third year coaches, they go based off
experience of where they previously used to be. I understand
that pick plus in the third round, like Malik Willis
was a third round pick. Jalen Milroll clearly high character,
good guy, I would imagine, interviewed pretty well, and you
take a chance and you're not forcing him to play. Hell,
(08:35):
he's their third stringer, right They got Sam Donald's their starter,
Drew Locks their backup, and he'll be their third stringer
and they just work with him as a project. Worst
case he's Malik Willis who actually had a good game
this year. But I mean best case that they can
develop him into something. The Dylan Gabriel one with Cleveland
is now, I don't like necessarily Shador and Cleveland either.
(08:56):
To me, he's got to be in a good weather,
dome environment, and I think that for any weak arm
or average arm quarterback. And that's what Dylan Gabriel is.
When I think Dylan Gabriel, I do not think Cleveland,
Ohio win pumping playing the Baltimore Ravens or the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I think that picks kind of crazy and even rap sheet.
When he came on television to night, he's like guys.
(09:18):
Clearly he had talked to someone in Cleveland, like, get ready,
there's a decent chance that Dylan Gabriel is going to
be off the board before Shadoor. But I saw Colin
go on, you know, a rant on his television show
today about humility, and I had said something weeks ago
when I think Todd mcshah had brought up how bad
his interviews went, and I had said, this might have
(09:40):
been a month or two ago. Whenever that story first broke,
I said, all these guys are used to every single scout,
every single GM, every single coach. If you've been in
the league a while, you have talked to a million
prospects and ninety nine percent of them go the same way.
Doesn't mean they go well in terms of like you
come away, Oh this guy's really smarter, this guy loves football,
(10:04):
or whatever. But most guys are just like we all
do in interviews, try to be on our best behavior
and just try to be really respectful and just do
everything in a positive light. And some of these guys, right,
if you've been in trouble, you're getting asked tough questions.
It's not a comfortable environment all the time. But guys
are just trying to be really good right in terms
(10:25):
of like I want them to like me. Why these
are a million dollar job opportunities. So I would say
most of these situations, especially with quarterback, are all like,
you know, really good kid can't play, but really good
kid like them, and you want most of your quarterbacks
and historically they have been beside the great ones. Now,
if you're great, if you're a great player, you gotta
(10:47):
act like however you want to act why cause you're
that good? And this is pro sports and at the
end of the day, there are only so many great players.
So if I'm at Dual Carter and certain teams want
me to come interview and come to thirty visit, and
I say, you know what, kiss my ass. I can
do that because I'm Abdul Carter. You know where. I
can't do that. If I'm like a guy that's gonna
go in the third or fourth round, that's just dumb,
(11:08):
bad business. And I think whatever happened with Shador, the
disconnect between reality and what like the end, it's not
one team, this is the entire league, and the entire
league is clearly really turned off. I didn't see it
coming Honestly, I wasn't even pay attention because I didn't
even think this was possible. And now we're sitting at
a spot we're going into Saturday morning. I mean, Mike
(11:32):
Florio posted and honestly, it's not the craziest take. He's
lost so much money and he was clearly making a
lot of money at Colorado. That can he figure out
a way to go back to school now the rules
say he's already too far deep he can't come back.
But as Florio wrote, like everyone's soon in the NCAA
and they just wilt because they don't want to lose.
(11:53):
They just give in and they lose every lawsuit. So
is it the craziest thing? Now? Florio thought he should
go back to school and go play for someone other
than Dion to try to, I don't know, bump up
a stock because you don't even need that. Like Jalen
Milroe did not have a good season, got drafted in
the third round. Tyler Shuck not a soul was talking
(12:16):
about Tyler Shuck up until like the combine, like you
don't even need Like the crazy part is getting drafted
sometimes is not about like especially in the second third round,
it's about traits, it's about and he was played pretty well.
So I'm kind of shocked. Like most people, I didn't
(12:37):
expect him not to get drafted in the second or
the third round. I guess maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm
and listen, I don't buy into like all the bullshit
you see on TV, but like I've watched football long
enough to know what like a second or third round
prospect look was, Like I thought he'd get drafted in
the second round, but clearly I mean teams like the
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Raiders are a good example. They play in a dome,
their pseudo minority owner Tom Brady like has a closer relationship,
like known this guy for a while, and the Raiders
brought him in for a visit, like he and Pete
Carroll is, I would say, as open minded and liberal
with like all the everything that goes on with players,
(13:20):
as any coach in the league, Well, Andy's up there.
The Chiefs, you know, a few red flags with their
draft picks, but you can do that. It just shows you, like,
if people think you can play, they will basically overlook anything.
That's the craziest part anything. I mean the amount of
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guys who's like off the field red flags are way
worse than anything we've ever heard from Shador of just
like not showing respect to a head coach, which is
kind of crazy. I mean, I'm sorry, Like, if you're
meeting with people and not doing everything possible as a
quarterback to just try to impress them and show that
you're a good guy, Like i'd judge you too if
(14:05):
I was in their shoes, Like, I don't blame them
if that's what happened. And the only people that know
about these interactions are these coaches and these gms, and
a couple got out, but it was clearly way worse
than we knew. Like there's no disputing that now, there's
just no one can argue that. And I just think
that this is one of those stories. Is this one
(14:26):
of the worst slides. It's hard to say slides because like,
did he fall out of the first round, Most people
didn't have a first round great on him, But to
not get drafted today, I'd say is one of the
uh more eye opening moments in recent memory from I mean,
he's doing he's on the commercial where he says it's legendary.
(14:47):
You know, I wouldn't say getting drafted on Saturday morning
when they start going to like, I mean, think about
the stupid stuff they do on Saturday during the draft.
It gets really I love football, I make my living,
e talking about it. Saturday during the draft can be
a difficult watch. It's usually when a lot of coaches
and gms start doing interviews in the middle of the draft.
(15:08):
Draft rooms doors are wide open, people going in and
out eating food. It is much more relaxed. I mean,
the first round is like a very stiff night in
these buildings. Second round relaxes a little bit. The Saturday
is a free for all, I mean, depending on where
your beers might start coming out in the sixth rounds.
(15:29):
So if you said, what round does he get drafted
and tomorrow John, I'd be like, I don't know. I mean,
at this point in time, if you tell me no
team drafts them, I'd say, that sounds pretty crazy. But
how's that not believable? At this point? Is he like
some lock to get drafted in the fourth round? How
could you say that? I mean, the third round picks
that this was known as one of the worst drafts
in recent memory. And maybe it'd be one thing if
(15:53):
like no quarterbacks coming off the board, but Jalen Milrod,
Dylan Gabriel, and Tyler Schuck are flying off the board.
Oh man, you interview with people. I wonder if he
would like to have doovers on that one. And at
this point in time, wherever he does end up, assuming
that he can't go back to college, talk about the
ultimate humble pie. Holy shit, it'd be interesting to see
(16:17):
once Dion because I would imagine, you know, Dion's gonna
be a hot ticket. People are gonna want to talk
to him come Monday and Tuesday, whether it's first take
rich Eyesen, you know, people are gonna want to get
this dude on the horn. People won't want to get
a camera on this guy and get some takes from
Deon Sanders, And maybe that's part of it, you know.
(16:38):
I mean, in I remember like once you get to
college football, a lot of college coaches are like, I
don't want to talk to your mom and dad bitching
about your playing time, right, And that's in college, and
now you get to the pros now. Dion's obviously a
pretty I mean, he's one of the greatest players in
the history of the sport. I mean, he's one of
the greatest athletes in the history of America. So like,
(16:58):
I'm not saying he shouldn't have opinions, but at the
end of the day, he is the guy's dad. So
it's like, do you want to see this guy's dad
bitch and moan? And I would imagine my guess would
be he's gonna be pretty pissed off. So now if
I've drafted guy in like the fourth and fifth round,
there's like a balance of like, am I getting like
a humble driven like I want to prove everyone wrong?
Or are you getting really like an angry just like
(17:21):
kind of poudy guy. I mean, that's it's who knows.
And that's where I wonder if this thing could snowball,
it almost get worse. I would imagine it be hard,
I know, the floial thing going back to college, Like
at this point in time, it'd be tough to like
tuck your tail between your leg and go back to school.
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Some other stuff happen tonight. It feels like the schnor
Standers Friday Night. It really does. The Bears. You talk
about a team that has done everything humanly possible to
support their quarterback. I started thinking tonight by the time
they made their second pick and they took Luther Burden,
(19:56):
who's pretty interesting player. Actually, if you think about it,
the Bears fired Eberflus, who's one of the bigger joke
head coach. It seemed like a nice guy and good
defensive mind. One of the worst head coaches we've ever seen.
And some guys you know him, Dennis Allen, like certain
guys especially defensive coordinators, have no business being a head coach. Listen,
Fangio is gonna go down as probably one of the
(20:17):
best defensive coordinators of his generation. You would not want
Vic Fangio to be your head coach so you could
be a great defensive coordinator, have no business running the team.
They replaced him with this boy, genius offensive mind in
Ben Johnson. Their offensive line was a joke. They immediately
sign and trade for two guards in the center who
are all good. They're gonna lose Keenan Allen. They draft
(20:40):
Luther Burden, who probably would go higher if they weren't
for some off the field question marks. And who's a stud.
I mean, he's just been one of the better players
in the SEC the last couple of years. They draft like,
I'm not saying he's Travis Kelce, but like that type
tight end just in terms of great athlete, movement, route running.
Just a stud to go with Dj Moore who's already
(21:03):
on the team. So it's like the offense, they also
have a tight end who they gave a contract extension to.
I just don't know if it's humanly possible to add
more to your offense for your young quarterback. You know
a lot of people push back. This is the worst
spot for Caleb to go. This is where quarterback careers
(21:23):
go to die. It's like, I don't think Ryan Pols
can do much more. They have given him, even the
mistakes they made last year by screwing it up with
the offense. Oh and they drafted Rome last year. It's crazy.
I mean, the expectation obviously that division is gonna be
really hard. We know Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit are good,
but there are no excuses for that offense. For the
coach and the quarterback. There's gonna be a lot of
(21:46):
pressure on those two individuals. And at the end of
the day, like Ben Johnson, people think he's good. You know,
Caleb has yet to prove in the NFL he's good.
So I'm fascinated to watch out this organization who hasn't
really been good handles this pressure, which is art. We
saw the Jets last year, who had been shitty for
a decade. When you've been bad, it's it's hard all
(22:07):
of a sudden to be like you should win a
ten or eleven games. And the Jets had Aaron Rodgers
and they completely got overwhelmed and it was like, this
is an embarrassment. Now sometimes you can flip it around.
Sometimes it's like, damn, these guys are actually pretty good.
But I think the Bears have done everything as an
organization if you're a fan to like make sure the
(22:27):
offense is in position to have no excuses and have success.
It's all on just the quarterback running the genius offensive
coordinators plays correctly. Chiefs drafted a bunch of linemen. Obviously
the offensive tackle in the first round. They draft a
couple defensive linemen. Tonight, Art Rooney because when rap Sheet
(22:49):
came on talking about if the Steelers would take Shador
Sanders at pick eighty three, he's like, you know, Art
Rooney actually just did a radio hit and he mentioned
if we do draft a quarterback, he's definitely not playing
this year. So he kind of alluded to like Ryan
not taking to door Sanders, and then he hinted at, yeah,
we've talked to Aaron Rodgers. We've been in contact and
all signs point to him wanting to be here. We
(23:12):
think it'll get done soon, So we might have some
Aaron Rodgers news in the next couple of days. Maybe
he officially signs with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and that would
make them definitely more intriguing than they are right out,
given that they do not have a quarterback. I do
like the running back that they took, Caleb Johnson from Iowa.
(23:32):
And this is the thing, like they're going to be
running backs taken today and even tomorrow that are going
to be really good starters in the NFL. I would
be stunned if the Iowa running back Caleb Johnson is
not a productive player and is not i mean, the
Steelers starter and eventually be a bellcout like I'd expect
(23:52):
him to be good. I know the Broncos took the
UCF kid, I don't know that much about him. I
know they think he's a good wide receiving running back.
But the other two running backs, like I think the
Patriots getting getting Henderson from Ohio State, that's that's a
pretty good pick that that guy, I think. I honestly
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the running backs, both Ohio State guys going like essentially
back to back picks thirty six and thirty eight. Jenkins
went to Cleveland, who you know with Nick Chubb after
he got injured, was never quite the same. And I
think he's a free agent right now. But Jenkins, who
had was an Old Miss transfer, got outshined a little
bit as the season went on by Hendrickson Henderson. But
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I think a lot of people in the NFL, if
you just look at Junkins' body of work at Ole
Miss and then even this year, people like him a lot.
So both those two guys. I mean, Ohio State at
one point in time had six guys get drafted in
the top thirty eight, and which I did the math,
it was like seventeen percent up the draft had been
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Ohio State players, and the two best players on their team,
Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith, are not even draft eligible.
So think about the team just dominated and won the
National championship. If it wasn't for one of the worst
offensive game plans in the history of the football, they
wouldn't have lost to Michigan. But they just littered the
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top of the draft with players and their two best
players aren't even draft eligible. It's like tonight, as the
draft goes on, it's like another guard from Georgia, another
offensive line from from Georgia. There's another guy from Georgia, Georgia,
and Ohio State's like they just have an unlimited amount,
even Texas. Now it's crazy. I haven't done the math
on the second and third round. It feels like the
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SEC produced seventy to seventy five percent of the draft
picks through the top one hundred picks. If you told
me how many picks have there been, like ninety eight
that I don't know, sixty eight of the one hundred
picks are SEC, I'd believe you. There have been one
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hundred and two picks my guess right now, and I'll
look it up to when we'll know tomorrow, I'll be
one hundred and two picks. I guess seventy are from
the SEC. That seems a little eye sixty sixty six
are from the SEC. So essentially like sixty five sixty
four percent of the draft has been the SEC, and
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then obviously another large percentage from the Big ten. Other
than that, I think the Raiders have just taking good players.
Pretty powerful story about the TCU wide receiver that they drafted,
whose brother had died in the in that car terrorist
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attack in New Orleans. I remember the Senior Bowl when
he came off the field and his family was right
there and they all started crying. I think he was
a Senior Bowl MVP. I think he got the game win,
he touchdown and watching some of the highlights tonight and
the family, that was a really touching moment. I mean, honestly,
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a lot of these moments of these kids with their family,
with their parents, with their grandparents, people that it's one thing.
Obviously people come into your life, you know, coaches and
stuff through college, but these people whoever raised you, your
tight knit you know, immediate family that have been in
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your life when the only thing you had in common
with the NFL is it was a dream and you
loved sports at four or five, six, eight, nine, ten
years old whatever, and then to get that moment and
getting drafted. Obviously, getting drafted in the first round is
pretty cool. Getting drafted in the second and third round
is pretty badass too. I mean, the greatest player in
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the history of this sport, Tom Brady, was drafting the
sixth round. So getting drafted on the second day is
pretty cool. And that never gets old. Seeing those clips
of coaches on the phone with them seeing their family
just erupt. I think the Eagle, the dude the Eagles
took at the end of the second round, had a
bunch of people at his house, and he stood up
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and he told him all to be quiet, and they
turned up the TV. And then whoever is announcing the pick?
I think it was bo Allen, you know, announces it,
and the place just goes nuts. It's just a very
in a world. Listen. I can be pretty cynical. I
can be pretty pessimistic, like all of us. I try
to be an optimistic, upbeat, positive, class half full person.
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I really make a conscious effort to be like that.
I try to surround myself with those type people. I
think we're all more productive when we have more of
a positive and optimistic spin on life than negative. But
you're around long enough, you do enough deals, you're in
the business world. You know, you live long enough to
lose people in your life. Like it's it's easy to
be cynical, and there is just something refreshing and positive
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and cool. It's just and genuine about the draft. They're
just there's some human connection, and I think that like obviously,
football games and the NFL season and the college football
season is a lot of fun and there's a lot
of passion, and we root for our teams and roof
for whoever we're gambling on and it's it's pretty it's
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a sense of community that way for any of you
guys that go to games season ticket holders, whether it's
college or pro. But there's just like something I think
we all can relate to of like make you a
smile when you watch these guys, you know, enjoy the moment.
So many of these guys, the majority of them are
just like really good, high level dudes that just happened
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to have hit the genetic lottery. And many of them,
you know, obviously worked hard through college and were pushed
hard at the best programs, whether it's from Ohio State
or Bama or Georgia or wherever, mainly the SEC. But
I just think tonight and even into tomorrow like that,
not everyone's obviously some guys I won't even get drafted, but
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the opportunity to play in the NFL. Such a small
percentage of people, like I, like probably many people watching
or listening to this, you'll play high school football. And
a tiny tiny percentage of people from high school football
go on to play Division one college football, let alone
college football at all, but Division I college football the
caream of the crop. There are only so many kids playing,
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you know, power for college football or even non power
for places like Boise and you know, Fresno and San
Diego State, like it's gotta be really really good to
play at these schools. And then a small percentage of
those guys. I mean, I've gone to so many pro
days over the years. Most guys at pro days are
not going to play in the NFL. You know, we
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hype up these pro days. When you go to like
Ohio State Pro Day, Yeah, they got six or seven pros,
but there's another ten guys working out at that pro
day who are never gonna get a phone call, who
are never going to get invited to a training camp,
who played at Ohio State, who might even started at
Ohio State. Oh I might be picking the wrong let's
say like Minnesota or Mississippi State. Like I played in
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the Big Ten, I played in the SEC, I was
a starter. I had a Pro day. No one ever
calls me. I never get the call, and I was like,
I'm pretty good. I blocked a guy that's starting in
the NFL. I made seven tackles against Ohio State or Michigan. Right,
So it's it's very very difficult. I've always said, listen,
I am much more comfortable being critical during the season
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of coaches and front offices because you don't need to
be as talented to get to those spots. Now, obviously
the best at those positions Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh,
Sean mcvagh like, those guys are elite at what they do.
But there are a lot of coaches assistants that are
scam artists. Same thing with the scouting community. You can't
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scam your way to playing in the NFL. You just
cannot because you either have it or you don't. And
to get yourself there, like, you have to have a
body of work, and then to get there and stay like,
you gotta be fucking good. Now, maybe you could last
as a backup quarterback and not get forced into play,
but most other players, right, they rotate, So if you're
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not a starter, you're playing on special teams and it's
it's extremely difficult. So nothing but respect for all these kids. Now,
I guess some of these guys are you're not a
kid at twenty five, Like you're a kid at twenty
Like the forty nine ers drafted their first draft pick
was twenty years old. Like, that's a kid. Tyler Shuck
feels like a grandpa but very very cool night. I
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enjoyed it a lot. The volume
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