3 & Out - Eagles are Howie's team, Caleb needs to PROVE himself, Tommy Fleetwood finally wins

John discusses the offseason moves that the Eagles and Howie Roseman have made this year and how everything that the Eagles do during the offseason is based on what Howie feels is the right move for the team and not based on how the coaching staff feels about the players. Next, John talks about the importance of this upcoming season for Caleb Williams and how he needs to prove him to Ben Johnson or we could see the Bears move on from Williams. Later, John dives into the preseason and how useless it is for the players that already have a spot on a team.

Finally, John talks about Tommy Fleetwood getting over the hump and finally winning on the Tour and then answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.

4:39 - Eagles make trades

10:08 - Caleb needs to prove himself

22:30 - Preseason is useless

33:56 - Go Low/Tommy Fleetwood wins

42:58 - LIV Championship Playoff

52:43 - Mailbag

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Hopefully everyone's having a great day live here from Hawaii. God,

(00:24):
what a what a beautiful place not live actually, because
I'm a podcaster, so I'm recording it in the afternoon.
Well not the if it was if you live in
New York, it's four thirty right now, it'd be ten
thirty at night. So it's six hour change from the
East coast, three hour chains from the West coast. It's
like you're in a different little world over here. But
I was like, you know what we had? We had

(00:45):
Roseman I probably set a record three trades on a Sunday,
August twenty fourth. I can't imagine that's ever been done before.
We got some quarterback stuff going on, We got Shador
Caleb I definitely want to touch on as well as
just some overall thoughts when it comes to training camps.
And I was gonna wait to do a go lo
and some golf talk a little later this week. But

(01:07):
Tommy Fleetwood finally gets over the hump, So just an
awesome day for him. We will dive into why I
think Tommy Fleetwood resonates with so many people, and yeah,
so we'll do a little golf talk at the end
as well as at gol pod, we'll answer a couple
questions for you as well. So we'll start off to
be about thirty minutes of football and then probably twenty

(01:29):
five minutes of golf. The game plan will be we'll
have a fantasy football podcast tomorrow that I recorded on
Friday with one of our guys from the Fantasy Pros,
which is the biggest fantasy podcast on the internet. So
we'll post that tomorrow, and if anything else happens, I'll
give some takes on what's going on around the National

(01:51):
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want to chime in on Howie really quick. He made
three trades a day. This is I know he's made
the John Metchi trade. There's probably a trade I'm missing.
I mean, there's a chance he's made five or six
trades this preseason. And I think the difference in Howie
then the majority of these organizations, is how he is

(03:16):
able to take a big picture of view of his roster.
Why because he's not a coach, and so many coaches
right now in the NFL have final say over their roster.
And you can say, obviously you get emotional about your starters,
the guys you draft. You'd be shocked how often their
position coaches, which essentially on an NFL team, Like for

(03:38):
how he has scouts, those are his people, that's his staff.
The assistant coaching staff is the head coaches people. It's
why some organizations, the Niners, for example, their assistant coaches
have a ton of juice in the draft. Why Kyle's
the boss. So if Kyle wants to draft a guy,
he is heavily influenced not by the scouting staff, but
by his coaching staff. Well, how he's in charge, he's

(04:00):
in charge of the roster now come Sunday. How he's
not calling the plays. He's not telling Vic Fango or
whoever his offensive coordinator specific plays to call. But during
this period of time, no one has more say currently
in the NFL in terms of a GM or a
head coach than Howie Roseman. And these are the type
moves when you're not emotional about your roster. Now, some

(04:21):
of them they aren't like consequential you're talking about seventh
round picks for backups. But they are moves that a
lot of coaches won't necessarily make, especially when you're trading
guys out because a position coach goes. I really love
that guy. I've spent the last month and a half
in OTA's for the last couple of years. That's my guy. Well,

(04:41):
this is big business. No one gives a shit. So
if he's not going to play on Sundays, see you later.
And you watch the Cowboys documentary. Jimmy Johnson pretty rare
coach who could balance them both. He had the ability
to be pretty cutthroat but also be very close with
his teams. There's a small percentage of coach in the
history of the league that can do it. Obviously, Bill

(05:03):
Walsh was elite at it. Belichick for a long period
of time, and he's pretty freaking good at it. Most
coaches get very emotionally tied to their players, and this
is the time of year where it's like, what are
we talking about When you're talking about backups, when you're
talking about rotational, special teams players, this is the time
to operate like baseball, where there's no emotional they're all
just widgets on a sheet. We're not talking about trading

(05:25):
impact players on the field. And I don't think it's
by happenstance or by coincidence that Howie has been running
circles around the majority of the league now for several years.
And you compare the Eagles to the Cowboys, which is,
you know, Jerry becoming the owner, the GM, the pseudo coach.
He's very emotionally tied to everything, and he's obviously like

(05:48):
the director. And he's talked about this in that documentary.
When it comes to he likes the drama of it all.
He's just too in the weeds. He's just too close
to the sun. How he has this great balance of
obviously he's very close to his star players. But if
you're not like a high impact guy at any moment,
and this goes for coaching staff, goes for scouting staff.

(06:09):
Trust me, I've been there. You can be replaced in
a New York minute, and that benefits the team. And
you hear these gms talk about all the time that
are like, I do what's in the best interest of
the organization. Bullshit, because how often they draft a guy
in the second round, in the third round, and that
guy gets chance after chance after chance, like what are

(06:30):
we doing? Like why are we wasting time here? And
that does not fly in Philadelphia. And one of their
greatest strengths is having the GM run the roster is
the emotional separation from the players. So yeah, I draft
you in the fourth round. I don't care you're not
good enough to you later. And that's why when you
watch them play over the last several years, when it works,

(06:51):
it looks as good as any That's why they've been
in two Super Bowls in three years. Why they just
won the last one there and they're technically not favored somehow,
the Bills and the Ravens, who have never beat the Chiefs,
are currently favored to win the Super Bowl. But why
the Eagles are the NFC you know, favorite. But I
think that's a huge, huge advantage. And let's face it,

(07:11):
most of these gms in the NFL don't have as
much juice as you think they do just by their title.
Why because the coach makes double or triple what they make.
And it's just basic economics when one guy makes twelve
million dollars and the other guy makes four. When we're
when we're complaining and we're arguing, who do you think
is gonna have final say when they both look at
the owner, The Owner's gonna go with the guy he's

(07:32):
paying most money. And I'm not even I don't know
how much how he makes relative to Sirianni. And there's
a chance just because of Sirianni's job title. You know,
even if how we were to make ten million dollars
a year in the highest page GM, maybe Sirianni makes eleven.
But we know who's in charge, and Sirianne's no dumbing.
He lets how he do that, and he doesn't argue
about it because he knows it works. And I think
it's a huge, huge advantage when it comes to the

(07:54):
Philadelphia Eagles, and you know why, I think we'd all
be stunned. It would take a rash of injuries for
them not to be in the NFC Championship Game. Another
thing that I just want to get out there because
I was thinking about this when I was flying here
to Hawaii. I downloaded the Chiefs Bears game because I
didn't watch it live on Friday night, and I saw

(08:16):
a bunch of people have different takes, and you know,
whether Caleb played well, whether he didn't, and then I
saw Ben Johnson's quote of basically like calling the offensive
execution on the first couple drives a complete embarrassment. And
every industry changes over the course of time. Right, Amazon
didn't exist twenty years ago in the nature exists now

(08:37):
why because they were selling books and now they literally
sell everything that's delivered right to your door. But one
thing that can't be disputed when you do when you
order something off Amazon, it arrives within twelve twenty four hours.
Somehow my dumbass orders things that like take six days.
But for my wife's really good at this. She press
a button and things there in half a day. It's

(08:58):
why they run circles around every single company in America.
And like business is still pretty simple, like can you
do something for me that I want? Do you provide
a service that I'm willing to pay for? And Amazon service,
let's just be real, is as good as it gets.
If you don't like it, you send it back, you
press a button. It doesn't get any easier that they

(09:18):
are so consumer friendly. And I think sometimes quarterback play,
like the NFL is a lot different than it was
twenty twenty five years ago. Right the game I'm watching
some of that Cowboys documentary. I mean the forty nine
Ers and Cowboys going at it. They were playing with slower, bigger,
two down middle linebackers Ken Norton junior Gary Plummer. The

(09:39):
Cowboys played the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl with
Greg Lloyd. I mean, these are two hundred and sixty
pound linebackers that aren't great space players, but if you
run the ball, you know between the tackles they will
meet whoever you are sending and fucking wreck their world.
Those guys don't exist anymore, right, The badass middle linebackers
are Fred Warren, who would have been considered small twenty

(10:02):
five thirty years ago in that era. Well, things changed,
but at the end of the day, football still has
a lot of similarities that it did back then. Can
you be an efficient offense? Can you generate touchdowns in
the red zone? Can you convert first downs more often
than not? Can you get off the field on defense
in the red zone? Are you a good third down defense?

(10:23):
Do you have a good pass rush? Are you good
tackling team? Are you a well coached team? Do you
have high level competitors like there are a lot of
similarities and while spread offense. Quarterbacks are looked upon differently
than they were back in the day, and I would
say teams are much more open minded when it comes

(10:45):
to evaluating those players. Look at the best quarterback in
the NFL, Patrick Mahomes, where does he come from? Spread offense?
Texas Tech? I remember Andy Reid told me. I was like,
was that weird for you trying to evaluate this guy?
You have West Coast roots, which is like prototypical old
school NFL under center with two running backs, a tight end,
two wide receivers, to this guy running five wide receiver

(11:07):
sets in college. He said, no, not at all. Actually
it made it easier. I just siphoned the passes that
he threw behind the line of scrimmage because those had
a little to no value in my evaluation of the player.
But if he threw it fifty times a game and
I remove those ten passes, it was still forty passes
that I got to evaluate. So back in the day,
when there's a quarterback coming out, maybe they got twenty

(11:29):
twenty two attempts every single game in college. Now I
get to watch a guy even if he had fifty
to fifty five attempts and only eighty percent of them
matter to me. That's still twenty thirty percent more than
I used to be able to evaluate guys in the nineties.
I was like, damn, I never thought of it that way.
And one thing that will never change with quarterback play

(11:49):
in the NFL that is a lot different than college
is you have to get rid of the football because
when you were a great player in college, you can
play make, you can add lib, you can do shit
that you're opponents cannot do. There was a reason Johnny
Manziel beat Nick Saban in the middle of his dynasty
because in college you can just play make and you
can do things. That doesn't translate to the NFL. It

(12:12):
has a couple times. Russell Wilson, I would say, is
an outlier player. He was a playmaking guy outside the
tackle box. That's what made him up. I mean, it's
gotten weird at the end, but a potential future Hall
of Famer and for a stretch of six or seven
years one of the best players in the NFL. He
was truly one of the great playmakers in the NFL.

(12:34):
Deshaun Watson for about two and a half seasons was
very similar. He would destroy you ad libbing on the
fly making plays outside the pocket. Both those guys held
on the ball way too long. They drove offensive coordinators
nuts because two step, three step, get rid of the ball.
They did not do that. They could not do that.

(12:54):
But they were so great at their playmaking ability. They
made Pro Bowls and a guy like Russell Wilson, you know,
went to the to the Super Bowl twice. Caleb Williams,
I'll promise you this. I give Caleb Williams eight to
ten games to prove to Ben Johnson that this can work.

(13:16):
Because Middlecoff, you're what we have seen this time and
time again in this modern day NFL. You get to
going into year three to prove you can play or
they will get rid of you. Trey Lance. They traded
three first round picks for the guy, and he was
on a different team week one, year three. Anthony Richardson, Honestly,

(13:36):
by the time you're listening to this, could be on
another team. He was given two seasons. Now. Ben Johnson
had nothing to do with Caleb his rookie season. But
this year, I you know, if I was a betting man,
if it goes well, obviously he's going to be the
quarterback there for a while. But if it doesn't, he's
not getting some multi year leash. That is not the
way it works. And Ben Johnson said the other day

(13:57):
that was basically an embarrassment that that's a I thought
we were past this. And every single time he talks
about the backup quarterback and listen, I'm not acting like
Tyson Badgett is the next stud player. But I know this.
The head coach likes him a lot, talks about him glowingly,
and then when you watch him play, you know what
he does. He gets rid of the ball quickly. You

(14:17):
know what Caleb's problem is, and this is what made
him a great prospect in college at least too many,
especially in the media, that kind of, you know, give
each other a reach around when you make plays, and listen,
I get excited for this too. When you kind of
run around and make plays in the NFL, that doesn't
consistently work, especially when you're head coach. And this is
Shador Sanders problem. Like you watch your door in college,
it's awesome. He is an instinctive player and he can

(14:40):
make a lot of plays. But in the construct of
a construct of an NFL offense, Kevin Stefanski, the Shanahans.
They like everything to be timed to the second couple steps.
I want you the ball out of your hand because
I'm designing the play. I'm in charge. Unless you're Russell
Wilson in his prime, you're not good enough to figure
the shit out just on your own. And Shador definitely

(15:02):
isn't the physical talent of Caleb Williams. But those guys
at Libability is like, it's why should Door Sanders the
fourth string quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. People are like, Oh,
he's way better than Dylan Gabriel, And listen, I thought
he was a better prospect than Dylan Gabriel. But when
you've watched Dylan Gabriel in the two games that he's
played in the preseason, the balls in his hands when

(15:23):
he's under center, and pretty quickly it's out of his hands.
You know who likes that. The head coach. You know
who's calling plays in most of these places, the head coach,
Ben Johnson. The offense is his baby. And you watch
Caleb Williams, there is no disputing his arm talent. And
I'm a sucker for arm talent. I like it just
like the next guy. I come from. Andy Reid. We

(15:45):
like big arms, But I watch Patrick Mahomes in that game,
and listen, I'm not comparing Patrick Mahomes to Caleb Williams.
That wouldn't be fair to Caleb. Patrick Mahomes is already
probably a top five quarterback of all time. I would
say that Patrick has basically mastered the position because his
is elite. But what he's great at and what makes
him an all time great is on third and six,

(16:05):
when you need those seven yards and the play is
called and is executed, that ball will be out of
his hands on the guy's hand like that. There is
no Oh, I'm just gonna run out of a pocket
that doesn't need to be run out of. You cannot
play offense at the highest level and be a good
player when you do that, and you watch the door. Obviously,
he's a rookie, and listen, he's a fifth round pick.
But that's the reason that he's not above Dylan Gabriel.

(16:27):
Dylan Gabriel, the plays called, He'll run it and the
ball's out of his hands quickly, and listen. Sometimes people
in the front office in the scouting community, we argue
with coaching staffs over that, but they value that to
the highest degree. And when I watch Kayleb Williams, Ben
Johnson the offense no different than Kyle, no different than
Sean Payton, no different than some of these highly tightly
wound coaches. And one thing, like, I didn't know Ben

(16:49):
Johnson that well when he was the offensive coordinator of
the Detroit Lions. Why he talked once a week. Dan
Campbell was truly the voice of the team, And honestly,
I thought Ben Johnson was kind of reserved, Like didn't
one thing I've really seen his personality being the head coach,
Like he's kind of a hard ass, Like he actually
has some Dan Campbell in him, kind of has a
little Kyle Shanahan into him. Like I was like, damn,

(17:11):
he's kind of grown on me. But one thing that
will not fly is when the play is called. And
even he said this the other day after the game
against the Chiefs, when they ask him, like that sack
that happened to Caleb, Like what do you think He's like, Well,
he had the ball in his hands for five seconds.
Clearly that was on him. I might be screwing up
the quote a little bit, but ultimately a point is this,

(17:33):
it's not gonna fly holding onto the football, it will
not be tolerated there. And if the Bears do not
do well offensively and if it looks and I'm not
trying to just overreact purely because they're playing the Chiefs,
who are I don't know, dominated the league for seven
straight years and are a defensive team, that's a tough matchup.
Caleb should get his ass kicked. But when they're playing

(17:54):
other teams, especially Week one against the Minnesota Vikings, Brian
Flores is one of the better defensive coordinators. And if
he's holding that ball Sam Darnold did this last year,
holding on to that thing, holding on to that thing,
it ain't gonna work. And anyone saying that it will
is either disingenuous about it because they have like an
agenda and they want to be proven right. I would
have drafted Caleb Williams number one overall too, So I'm

(18:16):
not like anti Caleb here. I don't blame them at
all for picking them, though it's their jobs to get
it right, not to have like the media and people
that talk about football give them a thumbs up. So
like you watch Jayden Daniels the balls out of his
hands when it needs to be out of his hands.
You watch Caleb, sometimes it is and sometimes it is not.
And we're gonna find out can that be tat or not?

(18:37):
Because we know Ben Johnson is good at coaching offense,
and we know his offense works, and we know they
have a really good offensive line. We know they have
good offensive pieces. But when you hold onto the football
and take sacks. One thing I think that age poorly
is we all thought that Pete Carroll and the Seattle
Seahawks were like idiots for getting down on Russell, when
behind the scenes they kept saying like, not all these

(18:58):
sacks from our offensive line. Our offensive line doesn't suck
as much as you guys think. It's hard to run
offense with this little guy, and it was like, like,
oh shut up, Pete, you got Russell Wilson. And looking back,
I can't imagine that was a little frustrating, even though
there were times like, well, he's so good, you got
to deal with it, and you guys were winning, but
when you don't win, and towards the end they weren't
winning as much like Russell, you're done so and this

(19:20):
is Ben Ben Johnson didn't drift this guy, so you
hold onto that football and that offense doesn't work, see
you later. So that's just something to keep. I give
it to Halloween if it's not going well. I mean
it would be like he's not getting all year to
start if it's going shitty. If it's going well, yeah,
but they gave that contract. The more and more I
thought about them giving the contract to the backup is like,

(19:44):
you don't fuck with the quarterback, even if you're you know,
obviously Ben Johnson. Ryan Poles isn't doing anything Ben Johnson,
especially the six months that doesn't want to happen, but
specifically with the quarterback. Even in places where the GM
has a lot of juice, they will on their coaching
staff when it comes to that position. That head coach
loves that backup quarterback because they did not need to

(20:06):
give him a contract, and they did that one. I mean,
he's an asset, he's a good player, but also like
we need a contingency plan if it gets weird. I
know everyone's thrown us a parade, and I'm guilty of
this too. For that one drive he had against the
Bills playing the twos with you know, heavy legs. How
about when they played the Chiefs when they tried it
was a fucking embarrassment. A couple other quick things. The

(20:29):
preseason just needs to go away. Let's be real, The
preseason used to be kind of entertaining because it would
accelerate as the weeks went on. Like the first week,
your starters would get a couple series, second week, your
starters would get a quarter, third week they would get
a half. So when there were four preseason games at least,

(20:50):
you would chime in know you were getting that every
team did it. It was like universally no one did
the McVeigh where no one plays. Now it feels like
everyone does it and no one takes the preseasons here.
Now I'm not naive enough. I get it. You sell
twenty seasons, like you sell twenty games to the networks.
You sell eight or nine game technically ten game packages

(21:10):
to your season ticket holders, so you need something to
show in August. Right, there's a reason like the Bears
preseason game, or you know, any of the nationally televised
preseason games are blowing out everything else on television. So
I'm not just saying you can go away, but whatever's
going on currently in these preseason games, because i was.
I went for a little run this morning in Hawaii

(21:32):
and I put on a couple of my guys, Kawakami
and Matt Barrows, who covered the forty nine ers, and
they were just at this Charger of forty nine or
preseason game, and Barrows was like, I've been covering the
NFL for two and a half decades. That's as bad
of a couple of quarters to start that game as
you'll ever see. It's because even Jim Harbon and Kyle Shanahan,
who are old school old like you know, wired from

(21:55):
like the eighties and the nineties the way they think
about football, don't take it seriously, let alone the MG world.
It's an awful product. Now it still works, it still
gets a lot of people to watch, but when you're
selling these tickets as part of the package, we got
to figure out a way. I don't have a solution,
but I do feel like the preseason a couple of
years ago, once people started following McVeigh, it's like, Okay,

(22:18):
it doesn't matter as much. We don't need to be
as dialed in. Now I feel the product is atrocious.
It's just like, what the fuck are we watching here?
So I don't know. I mean, could we get some
some of those joint practices, could we get those on
television something, because I do think that would work. Whatever.
This preseason situation is, watching these second and third stringers

(22:38):
in the fourth quarter. As someone that makes his living
off football, who loves football, it's just it's unwatchable. It
truly is. And last but not least, when it comes
to the preseason and these guys getting cut. I've been
that guy that had to. Back in the day, I
was kind of right at the transition between playbooks iPads.

(23:00):
You kind of had to By the time I was
kind of moving up up the you know, totem pull
on in the organization, they had both. But I've been
the guy that meets the person in the training room
in the parking lot and takes them up to the
head coach the GM's room. It sucks. I've been the
guy that drives that guy to the airport or the
train station when they get cuts. It's a miserable experience.

(23:24):
And as my life went on, like I've been fired
a couple of times, and I stand by this and
I will say this till the day I die. Sometimes
these moments are the best thing that ever happened to you.
And in some walks of life, when you get fired,
when you go bankrupt or whatever, you never recover. And
if mentally you can't get over it, you're fucked. You're
gonna be And I've said these stories before. I know

(23:46):
people that were friends with my dad. You know, back
in the eighties and the seventies, there were you know,
society like economics, economic like when it comes to the
business world can be very fickle, and things like recessions
would destroy people. Some people could bounce right back because
they were mentally tough. They were just willing to keep swinging. Basically,
they didn't know if they could you kind of build

(24:07):
themselves back. But I think football is very similar. There
have been a ton of players in the Hall of
Fame who have been cut early on in their career.
There are a ton of guys that go to the
Pro Bowl, that become all pros, that get cut and
spend times with the practice squad. Sometimes there's nothing you
can do when you're on a team and you get cut.
It's not even your fault. You just weren't either given

(24:29):
the opportunities. Honestly, with that given team, you never had
a chance because of the numbers game that these guys
were already making a lot of money that they had
already slotted in you as a practice squad player before
preseason even started. But if you go on with the
mentality that like, I got time on my side, and
there is no sport and there is no industry where

(24:51):
opportunities are guaranteed, I mean guaranteed to arise, right. You know,
for a fact, even healthy teams don't even need to
be the forty nine ers. Guys are going to get injured.
So when you get cut and they add you to
the practice squad, which is a big financial difference. I
think I saw the veteran minimum. So if you're like
the fifty third guy on the roster, even if you're

(25:12):
not dressing on game day, you're gonna make eight hundred
and fifty K. And if you're I used to say
that was a shitload of money, But nowadays some of
these guys withinn Il like Quinn you or is on
the practice squad, like he was making several million dollars.
So even if he did make the fifty three, making
eight hundred and fifty k, is you know, taking a
pay cut, But it is what it is. But my

(25:33):
point is, like, no one's gonna feel sorry for you
even if you're not dressing on game day and you're
on the fifty three man roster, But being on the
practice squad sucks. There's no way, you know, travel with
the team. For the most part your practice situation, you're
not taking any meaningful reps. You're on the scout team,
and you can be removed at any moment. But those
guys consistently get added to the fifty three man roster,

(25:56):
and whether it's with your team, whether it's with another team,
it's almost guaranteed to happen. I don't have the numbers
in front of me, but I would imagine guys that
start Week one on the practice squad, over half get
elevated throughout the course of the season, and a strong
percentage of those guys become contributing players, whether it's special teams,

(26:18):
whether it's rotation players on offense or defense, and whether
by the end of the year, if there's some injuries,
you become a starter. And then within a couple of years,
not only are you're a starter, you're a high end starter,
and they give you a contract extension. So I'm sure
we'll see it on Hard Knocks. Guys getting cut, it's
an emotional time. You feel like you've worked your whole life.
I mean, for the most part, if you're a rookie

(26:40):
guy and you've been drafted in the fifth or sixth
round and you get cut, you've never failed, right most
of the I guess now with the transfer portal, some
of them have had different paths than the years previous.
But a lot of these guys are used to being
the star guy in high school, getting seven to eight
ten scholarship offers from all the sweet schools, putting on

(27:02):
a hat in front of everybody, and then going on
to be a good player in college. And whether you're
a great NFL prospect or not the reason you go
in the fourth or the fifth round, but you're used
to succeeding. And even if it's like, is it really
that negative of a thing to get drafted in the
fourth round, But those guys get cut, and a lot
of these guys are gonna get cut over the course
of the next twenty four to forty eight hours, and

(27:24):
it's just not the end of the world. It really isn't. Honestly,
It's like the start of an opportunity because if that
team goes, I want you to be on my practice squad,
and if you've done a good enough job in the preseason.
Every team is evaluating these players, so they go seven
eight teams are calling you like, I want you on
my practice squad as well, because if you get cut

(27:44):
and you pass through waivers, you can join any practice
squad you want. You are not controlled by that team.
You don't have to. Let's just use the Eagles for example.
If I was on the Eagles and they drafted me
in the sixth round, they cut me, I make it
through waivers. I don't have to go back on the
Eagles practice squad even if how he wants me, I
can go. Let's say the Packers, Let's say the Rams.

(28:06):
Let's say that. Let's say the forty nine Ers call
me and I'm a wide receiver and they go, hey,
I want you on my practice squad. You look around
you they got a million injuries. You go to their
practice squad because you're a couple of weeks away, like
you might be their starting wide receiver. So it's just
it's a unique industry that way. Most places that when
you're young and you get kicked to the curb. It's
a big kick in the nuts and it sucks. And listen,

(28:29):
I'm not saying that you're not able to be like
emotionally down if you're a player. It's a tough time.
It's a very unique time experience to go through, given
that it's such a public job and you've always, for
the most part, probably had success. But I promise you this,
We're going to see so many of these guys cut
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Okay, let's transition to a little Golf Talk a little
Go Low podcast. I was like, let's just combine these
two is probably the easiest thing to do. Uh. My
game plan earlier in the week was to wait a
couple of days, but we had such a big Sunday
that I was like, you know what, let's uh, let's
let's do a little bit. Because Tommy Fleetwood finally gets

(31:13):
over the hump wins his first PGA Tour event just
a couple of weeks removed, Let's let's just dive right
into it. I I thought his reaction after beating Justin
or after lose excuse me, losing to Justin Rose, his
good friend several weeks ago, is one of the better
moments in sports this year. And I think, and I

(31:36):
was thinking about it today when I was on a
walk that and I've said this before, when you resonate
with people, obviously the good times, I mean watching this
Cowboy documentary, you know, Aikman, Irvin Emmett Jimmy. I mean,
I grew up on the forty nine ers with Steve
Young and Jerry Riser, had a front row seat to
Buster Posey and Steph Curry. When you're winning and you're

(31:59):
a good guy and your fun at the highest level,
people are gonna love you. But when you lose, especially
if you lose a lot, there are two pass you
can take. You can either be the guy that everyone
hates and like, I'm glad you lost, and golf has that,
you know, Colin Morikawa this year and I don't want
to keep beating a dead horse, but had a moment

(32:21):
against Russell Henley at Bayhill where it's like you lost.
It sucks, like we all watched. But like when you
talk with the quote unquote media after, it's not about
golf dot Com or someone writing in Sports Illustrated in
nineteen ninety six about your devastating loss and about your emotions.

(32:43):
No one's consuming any of that stuff. We're just watching
on TV. And that video then will go viral on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter,
you name it, and people will be moved by you
talking about your loss. It's hard to see and Colin
Morrikawa as he said, like I don't know you guys

(33:05):
anything essentially says double middle fingers, FU, I don't know you. Shit.
If I don't feel like talking to you after, I
won't you know who? That does a disservice to us,
the consumer, the fans. Why because I want to hear
from you after a loss. It actually might make me
like you more so. Tommy Fleetwood, who had made thirty

(33:26):
million dollars plus in his career before today and it
had never won a tournament, is not from America. We
can't relate to, Oh, that guy that grew up in
Los Angeles, for the guy that grew up in Fort Worth, Texas,
or that guy that grew up in PA. No, he's
from across the pond. But him will his willingness to
speak after these moments, and as he did with Justin Rose,

(33:48):
his second devastating loss this season. He had already lost
to Kegan Bradley when he had one shot lead going
into eighteen. He loses to Justin Rose when he had
a multiple shot lead on the back nine, who is
literally one of his good friends, and he's in tears
after the tournament. That resonates with people. You're like God,
this what a good what a that sucks? You feel

(34:11):
for him? People have always said this, Listen, people might
view Greg Norman as a douchebag, but like when he lost,
when he blew a six shot lead at Augusta to
Nick Faldo, he spoke after and there was a reason
Like that shark logo was on a lot of our
shoulders in the nineties. He resonated with people. I've said

(34:31):
this about politicians forever. Either resonate with people, or you
don't like Kamala Harris lost for one reason and one
reason only. People didn't like her. This isn't a complicated formula.
It's no different with our athletes. Now. If you're good
and you're winning a lot, we will look past your personality.
But when you're not viewed as quote unquote a winner,
we kind of nitpick you. It's like, is this a

(34:52):
good guy? Should we like this guy? Should we root
for this guy? And Tommy Fleetwood has been one of
those people that it's like, it seems like, what an
awesome human being, what a good person, what an excellent player?
Why can't he win? And it felt like, almost like
a tragic story, he was never going to win. And
some people Scotty Jeffert's like, is he gonna win like

(35:12):
fifty times? The Tiger Woods won ninety times, even Phil.
After a while, it's like, God, this guy just wins
a lot. And you watch Tommy Fleetwood and yeah, I
kind of came to grips he just might never win.
Someone asked me the other day on social media, do
you think he's gonna win this weekend? I was like, no,
I don't, not because I don't want him to win,

(35:33):
not because it wouldn't be an unreal story, but because
I just don't think he can do it after watching
his devastating losses. And do you know what shows you
female said this a couple of years ago. A winner
is just a loser that kept on trying. And I
think the one respectable part about Tommy Fleetwood is he
kind of just kept showing up with the same attitude

(35:53):
and playing really well. He didn't pout, he didn't act
like some pompous asshole, which, let's face a golfer's hand.
And I mean, all these guys at the highest level
live in big mansions, fly private jets, live elite lives,
and most of them don't, I would say, contribute much
to the revenue generation that provides that life. It was

(36:15):
my biggest issue with Colin Morikawa. I don't owe you anything, Colin.
This is not about the scribe sitting there in front
of you in the press conference. This is about everyone
that watches you. This is about people that followed the sport,
those four or five million people that every week, non major,
that watched these events. And there was a reason today

(36:37):
that in Atlanta, Georgia, they started chanting for a guy
from the UK, Tomy tom Me. They would not have
done that for Patrick Cantley, they would not have done
that for Russell Henley, who I'm pretty sure played at
Georgia right as a Southern guy. They did that because emotionally,
they were all invested into Tommy's story no different than

(36:59):
this year. Like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Kyle
Shanahan or a guy like that finally gets over the hump,
it'll be powerful. And the NFL has done a great
job of this over the years. They mandate their guy's talk.
It's not just about get a microphone in front of
Sirianni or Andy Reid after they win the Super Bowl.

(37:20):
What's Cam Newton saying after he lost the Super Bowl.
What did Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey say after they
lost the Super Bowl? You know why, because most of
us humans can relate to losing, can relate to struggle,
whether it's in a PGA golf tournament or whether it's
in our everyday lives. And I actually think Tommy Fleetwood,

(37:41):
I'm jealous that he's not an American player. I say,
this is someone that loves this country. I like Europeans
Ryder Cup team and specifically him, he honestly feels and listen,
we're pretty lucky with Scotty, who's a great guy and
obviously an elite player who There was a moment today
I flipped on the TV. He was two shots back
and going to whole fifteen, and it was like, if

(38:02):
he birdies this whole, Tommy, this is gonna be a problem.
Tommy's gonna lose Scotty Scheffler a tour championship. And Scotty
hid in the water and kind of ended his chances.
But I just thought that was a really cool moment
and for really what seems like, by all accounts, you know,
this isn't one of those Tiger well it's like it
was the buick and Nike's marketing campaign, Like I had
some issues off the field, Like, what's a guy that

(38:24):
you kind of had to keep an eye on, you know,
has had some problems? Phil A lot of people say
and I like Phil. You know, it could be a
little bill like a politician. You know, a lot of smiles,
a lot of handshacks, and says some different things when
the cameras are off listen. I don't know. I don't
know these guys personally, but like you've listened to enough
people and know enough people work in the world, I
do you hear different things you talk to everybody and

(38:46):
publicly privately, The way they talk about Tommy Fleet would
honestly parallels a lot of Scottie Scheffler. Just seems like
a great guy. And if you're gonna win your first
tournament over here in the States, pretty cool that it
happens for ten million dollars. You know, it's not quite
what it used to be twenty five million dollars, but
you're gonna win a tournament ten million dollars not And

(39:07):
that that moment where his step son came running on
the course and hugged him on eighteen and was in tears.
There's just a human element at the end of the day.
This is entertainment. And I saw Rees Davis say this
about Lee Corso, who is obviously retiring and done. I
think he's gonna make it one last appearance at Ohio
State Texas is like, this is showbiz. This is entertainment.

(39:31):
Football's our vehicle, like golf's the vehicle here, but this
is all entertainment. That's that's the business model. And some
guys get it, Tommy Fleetwood and obviously some guys on
our side here in America clearly do not. And it
makes you smile that big win for the good guys.
Speaking about the good guys, John Rahm and Bryson d Schambeau.

(39:55):
The Live Team Championship came down between the is what
if you live and you paid these premiums for everybody
a couple of years ago when they first started and
DJ started winning everything, Like that's how you want to start.
You want the guys you're paying the most money to
and your biggest stars, which are obviously Bryson's their biggest star,
and I would say John Rahm is their second biggest star,

(40:16):
to be your most important players and those guys going
at it today in their team format with Terrell Hatten
and Paul Casey. Watch some of it. John Rahm and
his squad end up winning. But like that is the
way for this thing to progress. You need your best
players and your biggest stars to win a lot. It
basically has to become tennis like with Roger Federer or

(40:40):
you know, Pete Sampras or Rafael and Nadal, and you
need your top guys to win all the time. And
if they do, people are gonna be interested. And Bryson
d Chambeau going at it with John Rahm like that
was pretty good theater down the stretch, Bryson doing fist pumps,
John Ron making big birdies. And that's the way this
thing is gonna have a chance. Because those two guys
are under contract again in twenty twenty six, and they

(41:03):
are the two most important players on Live in terms
of the national scale. They're both going to be playing
at the Ryder Cup obviously Bryson's I mean, you could
argue behind Scotty, especially at Beth Page, our second best
player is a guy that's gonna play. You know, Bryson
and John Rahm are five match guys. They play both
matches Thursday, they play both matches Friday, and obviously they

(41:25):
play singles, and depending on how it's going for the Europeans,
like John Ram's a guy you can throw at first,
I would imagine Scotty Cheffler would go for well. I
guess if Keigan Bradley's on the team, Keegan potentially go
first in singles. But you know Bryson's going to be
one of our most important guys. So good to see
those guys playing well. The lift Sason ends and you
know Rom won eighteen million dollars LA last week. I

(41:47):
would imagine his team. You know, I know this if
I played for LIV and you're like, what teams do
you like? That first year, you'd want to be a
part of DJ's he had a ton of momentum, Pat Perez,
those guys profit all the way to the bank right now,
and next year you want to be on Bryson or
John rom squad because those guys are monsters and really quick.

(42:08):
On the Ryder Cup thing, the Europeans look pretty good. Obviously,
Tommy's in elite form, John Rom's playing great. You know,
you know Rory will be ready, Rose, Bobby McIntyre's Their
squad looks good. I do think from American standpoint, I
don't even think it's an argument anymore. Keithan Bradley's on

(42:29):
the team. And when you look at the top six
they got announced last week because of the points or
earlier this week we got six spots up for grabs,
and we know Justin Thomas is on the team. I
think at this point in time, you know Cameron Young's
on the team. I think Patrick Can'tley. Listen, little douchey,
I would say, not someone that most people root for,
but if in this event I want him on my team,

(42:52):
he takes. He was one of our better players a
couple of years ago in Rome, the no hat pat
like he just kind of into it. So boys was Ander.
I think Keegan, that's four. Then I think you got
a couple spots, and listen, I'm not trying to kick
calling Morkawa when he's down. I do think he had
an embarrassing year, not just on the course relative to
his standards, but that moment earlier was just was just bizarre.

(43:16):
Like listen, I didn't love Rory storming off when he
lost to Bryson, but like he's Roy McElroy, and he's
one of the most important people when it comes to
the business element of this sport. Colin Markowa simply is
not He would not be on my team. I would
leave him off, and I do think right now, I
think there's a fifty to fifty shat chance that he
does not make it, because I think Ben Griffin's going

(43:37):
to be on the team. And then I think Sam
Burns whose boys was Scotty Like, this is a unique
event where like guys like Scotty Scheffler and Ry McElroy
they got juice. So if Scotty goes, I want to
play with him. I like playing with him, and Sam
Burns is just good. I mean, who what are we
really talking about. I think Colin Morrikawa's spot is in major,
major jeopardy. And if Keegan does pick himself, which at

(43:58):
this point in time feels like I don't know, borderline Locke,
I would say that that Collins done so, and I
think it's the right choice. So to me, you got
you know, your top six is Harris English, JJ spond Russell, Henley,
Scottie Scheffler, Xander Schoffley, and then my next six is

(44:18):
Justin Thomas Keegan, Bradley, Cameron Young, Ben Griffin, Sam Burns,
and Patrick Cantley. And if I had to guess right
now that that would be the team that I think
ends up getting in. Let's do a couple quick at

(44:47):
gola pod at golapod Instagram comments really quick, this is
from Paul, Please address can't I kept him out of
my mind since he was a good few He was
good few years ago. Today was horrible and annoying. He's
a tough player to watch, he really is. And like
I said, this is entertainment. I mean, part of the
reason golf boomed to another economic level is because Tiger

(45:11):
is one of the most entertaining athletes I've ever watched.
Even if you didn't like golf, people watch the numbers
said so right, most of us watch Michael Jordan, Steph Curry,
Tom Brady, Payton Manning. Golf's a niche sport. You're not
guaranteed to get the casual sportsman to watch Tiger broke through.
That can't lay is everything that golf was pre Tiger.
It's like, oh, douchey country club rich kids can't lay

(45:33):
is wearing like Goldman sacks hats, he plays slow as molasses.
He for as enjoyable and as cool as it was
watchinghim in the Ryder couple a couple of years ago,
which I liked. When you watch him at a PGA
Tour event, it can be hard. And do you know
what we never talked about is Joelakava. Once Tiger's leg
got fucked up and he essentially kind of retired, I
guess he else tours Achilles and he's got a million injuries.

(45:56):
He told Joelakava, Like, bro, you just if you want
to keep working, you got my blessing. Of all the
bags he could have joined, he joined back, guys, but
you went from Tiger Woods to Patrick Cantlay and listen,
Patrick Cantlay. Financially, it's a good bag to be on.
You're gonna make a lot of money, not necessarily this year.
But like, and maybe he's cooler in person than he
feels like as a player, but god, it's a tough

(46:16):
player to watch. Type guys that Koepka and DJ used
to just despise go so slow. And here's the thing
in golf, when you're playing a twosome, especially at the
highest level, and one and you've heard you heard an announcer
say this, if one guy's on the right side of
the fairway and the other guys on the left side
of the fairway, if you outdrove him by five yards

(46:38):
ten yards, so he's hitting first, you can start your
routine while he's hitting. These guys, now, especially guy like
can't just sit there and wait, sit there and wait,
sit there and wait, and then they finally go and
it just takes so long it's hard to watch. It
really is. Uh big fan of both your pods. Have
you seen the video of Tiger out driving Rigs from
his knees? Do you have any thoughts? In the video
Tiger's the goat and still seems like one of the

(46:59):
guys out there. Do you think most tour pros could
drive a low handicap from their knees? I did. I
would say Riggs depending on how his game is. That's
I don't think Riggs hiss that far. So if Riggs
is driving at two hundred and fifty yards, do I

(47:19):
think Tiger, Who's I'm sure done it more than most
because he had back injuries and leg injuries, He's probably
just had to hit balls from his knees. Do I
think if you just grab Patrick Cantley or Tommy Fleetwood.
Could they hit a drive from their knees two hundred
and sixty yards? It might take him some time. I
think Tiger's kind of unique. You know, he's the king
of like remember his commercials bouncing the ball. I just

(47:42):
think he spent so much time most of his life
with a golf club in his hands. He could probably
do most things that the best players cannot do. I've
never played until April of this year, at a bachelor party,
played two courses in Hilton Head, South Carolina. Let's say
the golf bug has hit me. Brought a regular starter
setup of flight clubs from DSG the day before the trip,
and it's been my greatest purchase of this year. My

(48:04):
question is would a stiffer shaft help with consistency? Reason
being my friend suggested I need a stiffer shaft because
my swing is too fast. I'm a former college baseball player,
so that may play a part. I would say, if
you're swinging quick or hard or fast and you have
regular shafts, it's definitely going to impact you. So if

(48:25):
you do swing your former college athlete with pretty good
club head speed, that a stiff shaft will do you well. Now,
just because you hit the ball way right or way left,
getting a stiffer shaft may not fix that, but once
you dial in whatever you got going on, it will
definitely benefit you. So to me, a stiffer shaft and
I know, like a Taylor made club rep here, but

(48:49):
if you swing hard, you cannot play with regular shafts.
It will be impossible to play over under eight and
a half majors for Scotti Shaeffler. To me, I'd picked
the number of like, I would say, nine feels about right.
I mean he's got four, so nine would be five more.
I mean five alone would be Kepta's career would be
an incredible accomplishment. What do you think Live's golf future

(49:12):
looks like? I don't watch it, but from my outside perspective,
it seems to be stuck in neutral, a middle till
product that struggles with viewers. How are they going to
get a new audience and grow from there? I heard
rumors of them signing a few players this offseason, like
feenw or Jason Day, but I don't see how that
raises the stakes. I would say if they sign more players,

(49:35):
because I asked Scott O'Neil. I'm like, when me and
Colin were interviewing them, I'm like, are signing PGA Tour
players still an option? He said one hundred percent. So
if you signed Tony Fenow or Jason Day, I don't
think it's not for as a TV product, it's not
working as a live product. Going there it is cool.
I'm saying that is some that's an unbiased opinion, right,

(49:57):
Obviously they've paid money for advertisements here. But if I
wouldn't have gone to the event, I couldn't speak to it.
You go to the event, it is cool. I do
understand why the players on that tour consistently say that,
but no one is watching on TV. We've seen the numbers,
and I'm with you. I don't think adding Tony Final
or Jason Day does much. But if you take Tony
Fina and Jason Day, like, let's be real, the tour

(50:20):
championship today, would it have been better for the field
if John Rahm, if Bryson d Chambeau, if Terrell hadn't,
if Joaquin Neeman, if you assuming DJ and Brooks who
did not have great seasons but guys like that were there,
or potentially there, yes, So how many times can you
take players away from the PGA Tour? This is why
when I asked goott O'Neil, the only thing I care

(50:41):
about is how do we get together? Look, I don't
care about any of this anymore. I just want to
see these guys in some sort of unified front and
they Here's my ultimate take is Yasser, who is the
right hand man for the Prince in Saudi, loves golf,
like is a golf at So I'm sure I'd be
friends with the guy if I ever met him. He

(51:03):
is addicted to this team concept. And obviously he tried
to get Jay to do business with him whatever I
don't know, a couple of years ago and for a while,
and Jay wouldn't take him seriously. That's why Jay got
kicked to the curb. Because Jay got fatt and happy,
and I would say created this whole mess. If he
would have been willing to play ball, I'll tell you

(51:25):
who would have Brian Rolapp, who comes from the NFL.
He would have taken the wait, who's this ya, sir?
From the piff the thing with like trillions of dollars. Yeah,
we should we should probably, uh, talk here about about golf,
but that created the mess and we could have avoided
this situation that they're in. But I think he's dead
set on this team golf, and I think that's a

(51:47):
big issue. And one thing, you know, being at that
live event with some people that know some things, is
there any sort of ability to, like, you let some
of our guys start playing again, and you like, we
allow you guys to send a couple PGA Tour teams
maybe one or two events throughout the season, Like can't
we It's called business, Like we got some players that

(52:08):
you want so and we got like, like how long
can you go at the rate in which you're going?
And that's where I don't know the rubbers about to
meet the road and if they keep stealing players, even
if it's like oh Jason day Tony Fino, don't totally
matter how many players can you steal? So I don't know,
I don't have a great answer for you, but it's

(52:29):
not going away at least next year. I love your
content and opinions on golf in the NFL. Simple question,
favorite all time golfer, favorite all time NFL player, Phil
Mickelson and Troy Paulamala for me. Thanks. Tiger Wood's easily
number one. I would say football player. That's a great question.

(52:49):
You know, probably when I was a kid, I mean,
I love Steve Young so much. But as I've gotten older,
I watched that Barry Sanders documentary. He was pretty freaking off.
It's weird. The Packers when Farv got there, started beating
the Niners when I was a kid, and it really
devastated me. Honestly made me sad. I probably cried in
like ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight. I think they

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beat him like four straight years. Obviously, the Packers went
to back to back Super Bowls and he won a
couple MVPs. But I loved watching Bread for Play. I
would say currently like watching Mahomes, even in that preseason
game against the Bears. There's just like, that's what it's
supposed to look like. I like guys who are just
mastered aircraft, Like I'm listening to this Charlie Munger book,

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like you know, Bezos, Tiger Tom Mahomes, like I like
the guys at the highest level. I hate Ohio State.
I do respect what they do. I respect what they do,
not the biggest Notre Dame or Duke guy. But like
you get to a point, like when you're the best,
it's hard not to just respect it. Okay, last question,

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do you think the PGA Tour will ever update their
dress code and allow players to wear shorts? Seems to
be an outdated rule. I was at Live Dallas when
it was one hundred plus outside and her Dustin Johnson say,
thank god they let us wear shorts. That's a great question.
I mean, I I'm a big believer in this. I

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grew up going to a country club where in the
Sacramento Davis area it costs like two thousand dollars to join,
Yet their rules to walk into the clubhouse to eat dinner,
it might have been Augusta. It was so stiff. It's
like you are not allowed to wear jeans, where are
your dockers? And it was just that was universally agreed

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upon at country clubs, where whether you were at the
nicest ones or the shittiest ones, that has completely changed.
Someone commented on a video I put out recently was like,
little God, tuck your shirt in. It's like, I'm not
at Augusta. I'm playing, I'm relaxing, I'm having a good time.
I'm not gonna tuck my shirt in. This isn't nineteen
ninety seven like Olympic Club. That's their rules. I'm in

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a public golf course, shooting some videos, having a cocktail,
just having a good time. Relax, buddy. The nicest country club,
at least the most expensive one, I guess Bob Parsons
Scottsdale Nationalist, but the second most expensive one in Scottsdale
has zero rules. You literally can wear whatever you want.
The Discovery Bay Properties, which has one in Pump Springs,

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which has one in Nashville, which has one at Yellowstone,
which Tom Brady and all those guys are remembers at.
From where I'm sitting right now is right down the road, McKenna,
There are no rules. You can wear whatever you want.
You know why, because when I'm playing golf, I'm not working.
I'm trying to relax. And this is times have changed.
So I'm with you. On the PGA Tour, they allowed

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a couple of years ago these guys to wear shorts
in their practice rounds. Right Why because it's one hundred
and ten degrees humidity in wherever in June, July, August,
why not do that during the regular rounds. Now, some
guy's legs look better than others. It is a television product,
but watching live, some of these guys like it all
looks kind of normal. So I'm with you. I think

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that's that's a move roll app could easily make. And
the good thing is is when you get this guy.
And I said this about Scott O'Neil, and I will
I will reiterate this about role app. The best thing
these two organizations did. You could not bring in some
stiff country club guy. Why because they live in kind
of this myopic sheltered, just a little bubble. It's like

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it's hard for them to relate to anything outside of
what they're used to win the golf world. Neither of
these guys play golf. Neither of these guys care. You
know what the NFL cares about money business. That's all
the old rules. They will pivot and change on a dime.
So if you told me next year or in two
years that rule has changed, I would one percent. If

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these players go to role app and say we don't
want to wear pants anymore, it's a done deal. Now.
If you're Nike, if you're some of these brands, Travis Matthew,
whoever is paying these guys millions of dollars for their
yearly wardrobe deal. I don't know exactly how that works.
Maybe that's a little more complicated, but why would they
care most human beings, whether you're in Dallas, whether you're

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in Arizona, whether you're in Florida, in the summer, if
I'm gonna buy a pair of you name it, Nike,
Travis Matthews, whatever the brand is, I'm gonna wear shorts
in the summer. This isn't the mob. It's like when
Tony Soprano or James Gandolfini. He said, like his first
year shooting that the sopranos blew up in the mafia community.
And he got a call, he said, like a eleven

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o'clock at night, and he picks up in this kind
of raspy, old Italian voice. The guy simply said, the
Dawn never puts on shorts. And he realized it was
coming from like a mob boss telling him, like, you're
the boss, you don't wear shorts, you wear pants all
the time. And he said he never wore shorts in
the show. Again, but in golf, you can't go to

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a golf course. Well, that's the thing. Some of these,
like Augusta, I think the Cow Club in San Francisco,
some certain country clubs don't allow you to our shorts.
So that is a mindset that might be like Jay
Monahan's like no shorts. But I think that will come
to an end here fairly soon. The volume