March 13, 2025 • 54 mins
John dives into the Eagles and how they've lost a ton of players to free agency, but a team with a great GM losing a bunch of players doesn't have the same effect as a team without a quality front office losing players. Next, John discusses the latest with the Vikings and how they appear to be going all in and backing JJ to run their offense.
Later, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.
6:30 - Eagles lose a bunch
11:41 - Vikings update
24:21 - 49ers purge
37:24 - Mailbag
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
My people?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm John there's a podcast called three and Out. We're
gonna talk a.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Little football today.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm recording this at about five o'clock Wednesday afternoon. Why
I'm recording this intro. I just finished all the nuts
and bolts of the pod. But Aaron Rodgers has not signed.
Russell Wilson has not signed, so we will We'll keep
an eye out on those two individuals. Didn't want to
discuss the Eagles and their exodus. And I saw some
people freaking out Minnesota adding a lot of people because
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they got money was not paying Sam Darnold. You know
the Niners are they trying to pull a twenty twenty
four bills And I gotta pump the brakes on that one.
And we will do a big mail bag as well.
I know I haven't done one in a couple of
days because.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I just haven't at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire
in those dms. I also had to wait for my
wedding dms to kind of slow down so I could
just find some of your mail bag questions. Appreciate everyone
who has reached out again, but so we will do
a big mail bag today and keep those mail bag
questions coming. You guys know the drill at John Middlecoff
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at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in the DMS.
We will have Fougaizy Friday tomorrow. Hopefully a couple more
deals keep happening. I would love I wouldn't mind Russell
Wilson or Aaron Rodgers too signed sometime on during the
day on Thursday or even afternoon, I even at night.
I'll do something I don't care, but hoping it doesn't
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happen like Saturday or something when I'm trying to chill.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, we don't control this, And maybe Aaron Rodgers
is in Egypt or doing ayahuasca somewhere and he's just
in no rush. As Adam Schefter said, like what are
we waiting on here? And not that I actually care,
but I do kind of agree, like you've kind of
had an idea of what your options were gonna be.
I'm sure you've been talking for weeks now. These guys
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are used to making a lot of money, probably pretty humbling.
It's one thing for normal humans to take a pay cut,
which actually impacts you. This is has zero impact on
these humans lives, but taking twenty thirty million dollars pay cuts,
it's gotta be. It's got to rattle your confidence a
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little bit. I don't care how old or how poor
you're playing. I've never been there, but I can't imagine
when you're used to making something. They're like, now I'm
offering you twenty five million less.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Than what you're used to. You're like, damn. Still in
the same tax bracket though.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But you guys know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast
three and our podcasts. Subscribe to the YouTube channel, and
let's dive into the let's type in this show. Start
with the Eagles and Howie Roseman because you win the
Super Bowl and everyone is sky high, rightfully, so second
super Bowl and what seven years, second super Bowl in
franchise history. Squad is absolutely loaded. Then all of a
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sudden they re signed Zach Bond. Everyone's like, hell yeah,
gives Saquon a little extension as a thank you, and
then free agency tampering period Hits and Sweat gets a
ton of money. In Arizona, Milton Williams gets broken off
by verbel CJ. Gardner Johnson, who I think I brought
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a physicality back to that defense that they were clearly
missing last season, and everyone's like, what the hell is
going on? And I think the modern day version of
football moneyball right now for the Eagles. And I would
just say in general in the NFL is utilizing elite coaching,
because when you have an elite coach on a side
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of the ball, sometimes you can overcome stuff. We have
seen Andy Reid do that since they got rid of
Tyreek Hill. We have seen Sean McVeigh do that the
last couple of years, leading back to back playoff teams,
and hell, they went toe to toe with the Philadelphia
Eagles this year, the only team that gave him a game.
And I think clearly the forty nine ers will Kyle
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Shanahan plan on doing that this fall. And I think
when you're the Eagles, you go. We have so much
invested into our offense financially, and that's just a fact.
I mean, Saquan is the seventh highest paid player on
the offense. We have one of, if not the best
defensive coordinator in the NFL, and he is being paid
an absolute premium. And we're lucky. We have hit on
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some sweet draft picks, but we're gonna utilize him. We're
gonna be able to let the defensive lineman go. We're
gonna be able to trade CJ. Gardner Johnson because our
ability to make guys, develop guys and find underappreciated assets
is under vix tutelage and watch. We just did it
last year was Zach Bond. We plan on doing it
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again and they did it. They also do it on
the offensive line with Stoutland. They've done it with Jordan Mylotta,
they did it last year with Becton. They are attempting
to do that in the trade for CJ. Gardner Johnson
with the former top pick from the Houston Texans fifteenth
overall pick, Guard Green. Now, you're not going to hit
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on all these but this is Howie and this is
why I push so heavily when it comes to the draft,
free agency, this stuff is all an economic exercise. It
really is how much do I have to pay for
the player? What type assets do I have to pay
a premium for, and what type guys can I get
on the cheap. Like one thing's pretty clear right now
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in free agency. If you want a competent guard or tackle,
you got to pay a lot of money. But I
will say this, when you are paying a ton of
money for a starting guard or a starting tackle that
has proven he could start at those positions, it's like,
at least you know, I can plug this guy in
and he can start for me and he can function.
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Do I feel comfortable giving Aaron Banks that much money
if I'm the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Of course not.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Do I feel great if I'm the Chiefs about signing
Jalen Moore, who was Trent Williams backup to thirty million dollars?
Of course not. But those guys have proven they can
start in enormous games. Banks has been a multiple year
starter on one of the best teams in the NFL.
So yeah, do I have to pay one hundred and
fifty cents on the dollar? Probably, But I witnessed what
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happened last year in the playoff game to the Green
Bay Packers at left guard. It was a joke, like
it was a complete embarrassment, and I'm not going to
allow that to happen again. Plus, unlike free agency, like
a guy might get hurt that you sign, but you
know what you're getting in free agency? Why because the
guy's been playing in the NFL, and if you run
the same scheme, it literally is plug and play. It's
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the only time in football where stuff is plug and
play when another team runs your offense, because there's not
often you go because in college football that's not the case.
When you are drafting a college prospect, there is a
huge projection not just his ability to play in the NFL,
but how he will work in your scheme, even if
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there are similarities to what he did in college. But
like you pay premiums in the NFL for these offensive linemen,
that much is clear when you watched how much they got.
Same thing with defensive linemen, because if you watch them
do something exactly what you're gonna ask them to do,
you feel pretty good about it because they've been doing
it for several years, typically for whatever team they've been
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playing on. And like Howie Roseman understands how talented Milton
Williams is, but he goes, I've watched Fangio for twenty
years in the NFL find guys like that and develop them.
I've watched him take guys like Nolan Smith and develop
him into a good player and then turn him into
a Pro Bowl level guy. And then take really good
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players like Jalen Carter and Quinnon Mitchell and Cooper dejen
and turn them into like all.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Pro level guys. So part of the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Economic outlook on their squad is we're gonna have to
trim a little bit on defense, invest in the draft,
and let Fangio coach and develop. That's why we're paying
him so much money. We've been doing it on the
offensive line for years with Jeff Staltlin for years before
he showed up. Howard Mudd was that version for the Eagles.
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It's why he believed in Jason Kelce, an undersized athletic center.
And that's how you have to do it in football,
because you can't just find a bunch of AJ Browns
and pay them all. We saw the forty nine ers.
They got to get rid of a lot of guys
because eventually you get to a point where the cap
space just limits you. And that is why coaching is
so important. It really is. And I think the Eagles
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are in an excellent spot because of the guy running
their defense. So yeah, some of the household names might
be gone. Clearly, those guys got a ton of money,
and rightfully so. On the open market, but I wouldn't
lose one second of sleep if I was a Philadelphia
Eagle fan now a team that I would lose a
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little sleep for, even though on paper they had an
excellent free agency. You could argue Minnesota keeping their stud
corner Byron Murphy, who I've been watching since he was
in college at Washington. Aaron Jones, who's just kind of old,
reliable running back, just really good player. They go out
and they sign multiple defensive linemen. Javon Hargrave, who went healthy,
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is just a really solid starter and gives you a
lot of pass rush ability. Jonathan Allen, who a couple
of NFL executives told me overpay.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Not quite at that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Level anymore, but high level guy, solid player. Like I said,
you got to overpay sometimes for guards and defensive lineman.
But again, if you can plug and play and they
can just be solid, it's kind.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Of worth it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's part of having Capron because eventually it's so easy
to just talk yourself out of everything. It's like, well,
this is our number, we're not budget. It's like, is
an extra one and a half million dollars really changing you?
It's one thing if you're not budgeting on twenty or
thirty million dollars. Totally understand. Listen, I see it all
the time with Maria. She's in real estate taking clients.
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Having been someone who looked around for a house to
buy in Arizona for a long time, you can talk
yourself out of any house, whether your price points three
hundred grand or thirty million dollars. Like every single house
you walk into you can find something wrong with it.
It's no different with free agency.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You're like, ah, this is this.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't see that. It's like it's so easy to do. Eventually,
either gonna pull the trigger, you're not. You want to
find somewhere to live. Do you want this player or
do you not? And I think when you look at Minnesota,
like they were just really really aggressive, and I think
Sam Darnold because of those last two games, made it
easy for them to go. You know what our plan
all along was to roll with JJ McCarthy. We're gonna
stick with that plan and we're gonna utilize our cap
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space and totally understand why they came to that conclusion.
Here's the problem. I talked about this yesterday. With all
the pressure now being on Caleb or the last couple days,
and I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Like that there and.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
People are like, he hasn't been making excuses. I'm not
saying he ever made an excuse. All I'm saying is
like there were a lot of excuses made for him,
and I would say many were very justifiable. That doesn't
dispute that. Like he looked way off and there was
a lot going on. But now you got a competent
offensive line, you got a sweet play caller, we know
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you got some weapons, You're gonna have a good defense.
Like the team is what turns out way better than
last year. And I would say the thing for Minnesota.
Typically when a young quarterback who gets drafted high, they
go to shitty teams, they go to terrible teams. We
saw it last year with Jaden Daniels. Jadie Danieers goes
to Washington and I don't care how far they made it,
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even Commanders fans have to agree like their roster from
a depth standpoint, was not that great. What he did
was remarkable, It really was. I mean it was. It
was insane. Typically it's like Drake May, you go to
a dog shit team and you get your teeth kicked in. Well,
JJ McCarthy's about to start for a team that won
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fifteen games last year and was just six fourteen games
whatever it was. I mean, they were sixteen minutes away
from being the number one seed and a huge reason
for that. And again, like I understand everyone, I don't
even want to say overreacting but making a really big
deal about the last two games, because it'd be disingenuous
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of me or anyone that talks about this stuff that
is so critical. Like, for example, there's a reason like
James Harden takes so much crap. It's because he's been
so bad in the playoffs and we've watched him in
his biggest moments crumble like a cookie. We saw it
for a long time when I was younger with Alex
Roderiguez in the playoffs, and the nerds will be.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like sample side, small sample, Billy bean. Anything can happen
in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, that's fine. Some guys come through, some guys do not.
Football is no different. You only get, you know, one
game opportunities. These aren't seven game series. And the games
at the beginning of January and in the first round
of the playoffs, there's just more. They just mattered more
than a game in September October. Not saying that games
is September and October are not important, but when you
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don't play well, especially in primetime games, we just judge
you more harshly. And clearly the league did as well, because,
like I said, clearly lost a lot of money. But
he threw thirty five touchdowns and a huge reason this
team was I mean, had a very good chance. And
like most people, I picked them to win that game
in Detroit because I didn't think Detroit just had enough
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guys on the field given how many injuries. Was like,
they're gonna win the division and it's gonna be one
of the most remarkable things I think I've ever seen.
And it didn't happen, but there is no disputing the
big reason they were there and kicking the crow.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, think how.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Many times you watched the Minnesota Vikings game, and they
were just like working the Packers, working the Niners, working
the Texans. I mean, they were beating really good teams
start to finish throughout that season by a lot. And
their passing game obviously benefits from having, if not the best,
Him and Jamar Chase are two of the best wide
receiver talents we've ever seen in Justin Jefferson and Jordan
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Addison and obviously bringing the running back back, but like
that's what JJ McCarthy has, and we've talked about this before,
Like he's never been asked to play like that. He
never had to do that with Jim Harball. That was
not the way Michigan philosophically operated. And like I was
more critical of Kevin O'Connell probably than any human being
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that speaks about football in that playoff game, because once
Sam Darnold showed that he was overwhelmed in the previous
game and the blitzes were getting to him, and you
had to find a way to just calm the nerves,
try to run the ball, try to get some quick passes,
do something. But you got to help your quarterback out.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I felt like.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
All he was doing was throwing bombs. And I do
believe that Kevin O'Connell a lot like Sean McVay likes
to let it rip. Well, where Sean really benefited these
last couple of years, he got Matt Stafford basically the
poor man's Aaron Rodgers, and right now he's no longer
the poor man's Aaron Rodgers. I mean, clearly he's a
better player. I'm just talking like historically, he got one
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of the great throwers in the history of the league.
And I'm not saying that JJ can't do that. His
one playoff game right before he got our preseason game
before he got injured was very, very promising. But there's
a huge difference from making some sweet plays in a
preseason game in playing the Lions or Packers on Sunday
Night football, where your coach might call thirty five passes,
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where you were winning games in college throwing the ball
like nine times. So I'm just fascinated to watch this
play out. I'm not anti JJ McCarthy by any means,
but there is and this speaks for Caleb too. When
you just get drafted or somehow end up and get
drafted HI on these incredibly talented teams with unreal coaching
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that like to throw the ball, there is like an
added pressure put on you. And we've said this before,
like not all these quarterbacks are gonna work out. It's
just statistically impossible. It wouldn't be a statistical outlier. It's
statistically impossible. So some of these guys are not gonna
work out and I understand why they made the move,
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but there is a lot of risk and they have
loaded the team around. I think the Bears and the
Vikings like that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
There's nothing more of their young quarterbacks could say that.
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It's funny when you do a when you do a
big purge everyone, and I'm probably guilty of this too,
it's like you're just goun what are you doing now?
I didn't necessarily think that with the Bills though, when
they did it last year. It is crazy when you
take a team that is always in the playoffs and
always playing big games and just see them start cutting
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or letting guys walk that were I would say consistent
starters for that team over the era of which they've
been making runs in the playoffs, and the forty nine Ers,
when they do that, it's like jarring. It really is.
When you see guys that have been huge, huge parts
of all their big wins going to other teams, like
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it's crazy to watch, even if it is the way
the NFL works. Some teams have a slower process and
just get rid of guys year to year. Some teams
take it right to the end and then just get
rid of everybody. But one comp I've heard is like, well,
the Bills did it last year, the forty nine Ers
did it this year, the Rams have done it a
couple of years ago. You can keep winning and going
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to the playoffs when you do that, And that is
one hundred percent true. The Bills have one of the
greatest quarterbacks, at least the most talented quarterbacks. Greatest would
be strong still got a long way to go, but
one of the most talented quarterbacks we've ever seen, and
in a year where it felt like they got rid
of half their team, he immediately carried the team to
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the AFC Championship and won the Super Bowl some of
the big games Matt Stafford has had the last couple
of years with a team that clearly wasn't as talented
top to bottom as the one that won the Super
Bowl in twenty twenty one. It's like he's kind of
a max quarterback and the pressure and who knows. I
have no clue what brock Purty is end up gonna make.
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If it is true that the forty nine ers are
going to drive a hard bargain, do you know what
I would do. I'd be like, I'll give you three years,
one hundred and twenty million, and I'll guarantee every penny
forty million dollars a year. And you know, these media
people that love like I don't even know they want
to see him make two hundred million dollars a year.
I don't care actually how much he makes. I just think,
based on the cap and based on the elite quarterbacks,
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paying him a ton of money is extremely risky because
he's not as talented as these other guys, especially the
cream of the crop. And I've seen less talented guys
get paid a premium and their team crumble and their
team look awful. And I think the forty nine ers
are in this weird spot. It's like, yeah, the Bills
could do that because they had Josh Allen. It's like, yeah,
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the Rams could do that because they had Matt Stafford.
Now you could put some of the numbers together against
Brock party and Matt Stafford. Come on, what do we argue?
There was not a coach in the NFL, including Kyle,
who would take Brock Purdy over Matt Stafford. So I
just think the forty nine ers are in this weird time.
I don't just think they're gonna crumble because they let
a bunch of guys go. But if the plan is
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to put it all on Brock's back a lot like
they did with Stafford and definitely how they did with
Josh Allen, that will fail. That will not work. And
we have talked about this with Jared Goff and Jalen Hurst.
Who are you know in the category of Brocks beat them?
They've beat him, like we've kind of seen it both ways.
But both guys started kicking ass when their teams surrounded
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them with unlimited talent, and that is the pressure on
the forty nine ers. Brock had a ton of success
in that situation. The moment some of their injuries started
happening down the stretch of the season, he did not
play as well. That's that's an objective take, and I
don't know anyone that would disagree. A ton of awful
interceptions down the stretch of the season where the season
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was still alive. So I just think anytime you're in
a slippery slope of like, Okay, you're putting all your
chips in the middle of the table and your team's
not as good like you better be understand what is
around that door. It could get really weird, really fast,
and there's nothing that you can really do about it.
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lot of guys and some of them did not fit
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the scheme. Some of them just were over the hill
and couldn't play. And in the NFL, when you pay
a guy a lot of money, and most of these
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in twenty twenty five, once you have signed that guy,
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to play pretty well. Most of these guys, the expectation
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and the player to understand what they're getting into, because
I totally get if I'm a player, this might be
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I'm just coming off a big season and someone's offering
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I've hit free agency and I'm a fourth, fifth, sixth,
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be on the same page as the coach in the
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go and it just doesn't work for whatever reason. You're like,
I've seen this guy play before, he's good, and then
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like what they are asking him to do is not
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actually the strength that he brings the table as a
professional football player. So the reason you see guys excel
as free agent signings is because there's typically a seamless
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whatever he brings to the table physically, and when that
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is not the case, that's where you get problems. And
I'm fascinated, Like, obviously some of these free agents, they're
gonna be seamless fits. They're gonna be starters for teams
that will go to the playoffs, and the general manager
will get a lot of credit. And there are gonna
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is like, wait, you spent all this money on this
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your players are headed to can Kun and your coaching
(25:52):
staff alls their head down in their office, it usually
like that becomes a huge, huge point of conversation. So, uh,
the work that went in the last I would say
several weeks. Obviously you scout these players all season long,
but like these last couple of weeks are okay, are
we good with putting pen to paper and giving player
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X a twenty eight million dollars signing bonus to be
our starting right tackle, or to be our starting middle linebacker,
or to be our starting nickel corner. You know, once
you do that, that guy is going to play.
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Going to start for you. You pencil lim in as a starter.
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a little mail bag at John middlcoff is the Instagram
fire in those dms, get your questions answered here on
the show. We had to give it a couple of days.
Anyone that slid in those dms and said, congrats on
the wedding, congrats on the nuptials.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm more in a ring.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I lasted with the silver ring for twenty four hours.
By the time I got back on Monday afternoon, I
had already ordered rubber black and gray rings because I
just I can't the silver ring. I can't wear on
a daily basis and go to the gym. I can't shower,
I can't. I couldn't wear podcasting like it just felt.
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I could wear the nice occasions. I'll wear it, you know,
if I'm dressed up or whatever. But rubber rings. A
lot of people at my wedding were guys who had
lost rings and said rubber all day. Immediately get home.
Glad I did, But I appreciate everyone that reached out
said thank you and or I thank you for your
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kind words.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, let's have it in the mailbag.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Do you think the Bills will get the same result
with Joey Bosa as they did with Von Miller, both older,
past their prime, banged up and coming off or coming
from warm Los Angeles. I think it's pretty clear they
are signing these guys to get over the casey hump.
In January, but Von Miller couldn't stay healthy that long,
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and I wonder if Bosa we'll be able to as well.
That's why I thought Miles Garrett would have been perfect
for them. As a Pats fan, I'm fucking pumped to
see us ball out day one in free agency. Our
defense looks absolutely stacked on paper, and I like the
mac Hollins pickup. What do you think the next move
will be in free agency? It's funny. I saw the
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Patriots are doing a one o'clock or noon press conference
I think on Thursday to introduce all the free agents,
and someone on Twitter today was like, this is like
a is a foreign concept to the Patriots. I mean,
Belichick for twenty plus years laughed at the notion of
signing anyone in free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
In fairness to Rabel and what they're doing, it's because
of the roster, how crappy it was, that they needed
more talent. But if I was a Patriot fan, I
would be excited, you know, I mean, this is you
just got some real players at a bunch of different positions,
not guys like you know I ideally you nail some
franchise players in the draft, but you know, Milton Williams
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real players. That's a really really good draft pick, especially
with a stud like Vrabel who knows defense, so I'd
be excited. I think the difference I remember remember von
Miller's career felt like it was slipping away, and then
the Rams I forget was a second and a third
round pick they traded for von Miller, and the Broncos
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ate all the money, so they essentially bought picks and
they gave him von Miller. I'm pretty sure von Miller
every like the last couple games of the season, in
every playoff game including the Super Bowl, had a sack,
so the Bills were like, he's got it back. And
then my number could be a little off, but I
thought they guaranteed him close to fifty million dollars. They
gave him an enormous contract. They gave Joey Bosa one
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year twelve million dollars. And again the numbers that we have,
how did they guarantee him five of that twelve or
eight of that twelve? And the other is incentives. I
have no problem taking a swing on that. I have
no problem doing one year deals on elite talents that
are kind of older, that have been banged up, especially
if you're a good team. I think you do that
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deal all day long and twice on Sundays. Now, ideally
he's healthy for the home stretch and he could have
some big plays in December and in January and help
you get over the hump. To me, if you had
given him two years, you know, forty million dollars, he'd
be like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But I can give.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
One year deals all day long to guys like Joey Bosa,
so I like to move a lot. And it's like
I thought, you know, I don't know why I thought
this because his brother was on the team. It's like,
is he going to be a forty nine er? He
made the right decision. They got you sign up twelve
million dollars, which was clearly more money than he was
getting other places, including incentives or whatever. But to hop
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on the ride with Josh Allen and they just got
to keep him healthy because he's just he's been hurt
a lot. I mean a lot, a lot. It feels
like he's been way more banged up. And in fairness
to Von Miller, von Miller was a better player than
Joey Bosa. You know, when they're both like in the
prime of their career, A huge fan from the outside
of Chicago in the Burbs, as a Bears fan since
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birth ninety eight. You're young. I can't remember us having
a more stacked a line this upcoming season. Lots of
chatter coming out of the Bears should make a splash
and take Genty with the tenth pick. But I'd rather
snag another lineman for rotation, like Campbell or Banks, with
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Funy being older. What do you say, Well, I think
there's two ways to look at it. One, I am
opposed to taking running backs really high when the depth
of a running back class is deep. I mean, there
are countless guys who will start for you in the
second and third round of this draft. I promise you that. Now,
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if the equivalent of like Saquon Barkley or Bijon Robinson
or Christian McCaffrey when he was coming out of Stanford
was in this draft and you put him on the
Bears team to go with your young quarterback and that
offensive line, I.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Think it would be really explosive.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So, like I'm anti taking running backs because it's an
economic exercise, there are gonna be sweet defensive linemen there
so you could get a defensive lineman who can be
like a cornerstone of your franchise, where ideally you're not
drafting tenth again. But like if genty turns out to
be I mean, an elite All Pro talent, which I'm
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still I know he broke more tackles in college football
than any other player. I got my start in the Whack,
which is now the Mountain West. It is not the
big tenor of the SEC. He is a special player.
He's an awesome player, but he did dominate in a
separate level of competition. Then I saw him against Penn
State and it was much more difficult. Now it's I'm
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not all this stuff is not apples to apples. Going
to Chicago doesn't mean he won't be able to break
NFL tackles. But it's a conversation we're having if I'm
Ryan Poles. At the end of the day, I think
the right move. Again, assuming gent becomes a good player,
you got to assume the guy you're gonna draft ideally
a defensive lineman. We just had this exercise last year.
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Roma Dune's a sexy player, Genti sexy player. Do you
know what wins Linus scrimmage, Go grab yourself. Where did
the Eagles get Jalen Carter pick nine? Now, obviously he
most drafts he's If he hadn't been in trouble or
gone through the car accident, he would have been the
number one or two pick in the draft. But like,
there are gonna be some players because a couple of
quarterbacks are gonna go, a couple offensive linemen are gonna
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push guys down, You're gonna get one of the better
defensive linemen in this draft. I just think that is
the right football move. And then with a later pick,
pull the trigger on a running back.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
That would be my move.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Congrats on the wedding. I know you're a big Nashville guy.
Would you ever consider moving down here? You know when
we were there, we thursday, I played golf with my
brother in law, which is weird to say, and my
brother and we went down to Vanderbilt's course. You know,
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it's been a rough winner. So the course is a
lot of the grass is dead, but the course is sick.
I've actually played there be four years ago. The Vanderbilt
clubhouse is remarkable, it really is. And when we were
leaving the course, Peyton Manning was standing right there chipping.
It looked like with his kid. I was like, damn,
Peyton Manning's here, and the area in the suburbs out
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where the Vanderbilt courses in Franklin and Brentwood is just badass.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So would I leave the West Coast?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
No, But if we do well in life, would I
buy a place there without hesitation? Now, for my wedding,
we were staying downtown, so it's basically like a Vegas bender,
you know, from Wednesday, Thursday, a little bit Friday, and
then really hard Saturday. So that's you know, the life
in the burbs with the hills. It reminds me a
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lot of you know, where I grew up in Sacramento area,
probably about thirty minutes towards the city where I live
for a long time, in Walnut Creek. It's called the
Danville Pleasanton. It's forever where a lot of like just
people lived. I mean, it's gorgeous. It's some of the
most expensive real estate in all of California. You know,
John Gruden used to have a pad there. It's just beautiful,
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rolling hills. Franklin has some vibe like that, just a
little safer and a lot less taxes, but I mean it's
now become very very expensive. I would get a pad
down there in a New York minute. I'm not a
big humidity guy. That's my only thing. It is nice
to feel their winter. It's kind of cold, kind of
like that. But the humidity, I know it gets hot
in Arizona, but there's humidity is a different animal. It's
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my only issue with the South. You know, on the food,
a lot of stuff fried, but.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Which I like, I just get really fat.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Question for the mailback thoughts on this Niner should have
let Purdy walk to pay, keep some guys departing and
trade it up into the top five or seven to
draft shador. I think with Shanahan he would be a
great fit along with a quarterback on a rookie deal
with the Raiders that's out of the quarterback race. Is
the draft a very good chance he could even be
there at eleven? Truly depends which would imagine cam Ward
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is number one to the Giants via trade. I think
it's pretty clear. I think the Titans are gonna take
cam Ward. I think that's to my knowledge as we
sit here right now, they have not signed anyone. I
think cam Ward is gonna be the pick, and then
my guess would be the Browns take Abdull Carter and
then the Giants are on the clock. It's like, do
they take Shador or do they just take Travis Hunter.
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I don't even do they have a quarterback yet. I
guess it depends on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But you can't Pertty's under contract like Perty makes if
you draft Shador at eleven. Chador makes way more money
than Perty would if he's just.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Keeps his contract.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So I think Perty's not a free agent, you know.
Pretty there's all this talk I always this always drives
me nuts last year about tut It's like, can't we
just make or Trevor Lawrence? Like whatever happened to finishing
out contracts? Should the Bay are doing it with Jamar Chase.
Now you can argue people think the Bengals are crazy,
but I would lowball is when I hear that term,
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like low ball relative to what I'd argue, like, you're
offering lesson Trevor Lwnce. Yeah, I think Trevor Lawrence contract's
an embarrassment. So yeah, I'm gonna offer less than that.
I don't do business like the Jacks. I'm mean, look
at their franchise. They draft in the top five every year.
If I'm Kyle Shanham, like, I can't even relate to them,
but I just think it's an awful contract. So, like,
my take was simple, three years, one hundred and twenty million,
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guarantee every penny. It's like you've been making a million dollars.
Who's turning that down? Play it out if you want,
Like this, this is a business like whatever happened to
be in cutthroat and business, all of us deal with
it in all of our industries. The NFL used to
be the most cutthroat business, and now it's like and
it still is with all these other positions.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yet with quarterback it's.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Like, oh, how much do you want, Trevor Brock Do
you want two hundred million? Here you go. It's like,
unless your name's Josh Allen mahomes lamar, like I'm negotiating
the shit out.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Of these deals.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And it feels like some of these teams like to
what do you want one seventy five here?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Buddy? It's like you guys, nuts.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Was listening the other day and you were talking about
NFL contracts and said NFL contracts are nowhere near as
big as NBA ones.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Why is this?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
The NFL is far bigger product, higher rating, and meaningful
regular season unlike the NBA. Football is so much more
physically demanding. What gifts numbers. I mean, there are twelve
guys on an NBA team, and your top two guys
on on an NBA team can carry you to championships.
There are fifty three guys on a roster, and even
if you have a top heavy roster, you need I
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don't know, seven eight elite players, and then you need
a second tier of another ten guys. So they're just
more mouths defeat. It's just just you know, knew if
there were twelve guys on an NFL team, then I
think NFL players would make way more money. But you
have to have a roster of fifty three guys, so
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I just I just think it's just a math game.
It's if you do the total accumulation, the NFL is
making way more millionaires than basketball or baseball because they're
just more players. Now, the top guys make way more money.
But the guarantee thing is like a business thing, like
the owner's fight to not guarantee the money because of
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the risk is involved with the injuries. Now the money
is so big. Even if you don't get everything guaranteed,
you're still making so much money. It's kind of got
to the point where revenue so huge. It's like, even
if I get one hundred million dollar contract, I don't
live it out, I still get seventy million of it.
It was way shittier for the guys back in the
day when the numbers were way smaller and you were
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a good player. You signed like a four year twenty
million dollar deal, you ruin your leg year two and
you'd only get eight million, which again eight million twenty
years ago, still a lot of money. But the amount
of money they're making now is so huge. I was
I think since the Vikings are probably gonna roll with McCarthy.
I don't think there's any thinking they are rolling with McCarthy,
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but I think they would get Flacco or Gardner Minshew
as a veteran quarterback. Both have experience and are top
of the line backup quarterbacks in the market. Thank you.
What do you think I would guess that they signed
some guy like that. I mean, you're gonna need some
insurance just based on the dude got missed the entire
first season because of his knee and needed multiple surgeries,
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and the last time we saw him, he looked like
he weighed kind of jealous, like one hundred and seventy
five pounds. But I would yeah, I mean, I would
be stunned if they don't pull the trigger on some
sort of veteran quarterback. The terminology bothers me as mailback
question tampering. Tampering is defined as making changes to something
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that you should not, usually when you are trying to
damage or do something illegal, but it's not against the rules.
But more to the point, I'm a layman for those
of us who aren't in quote unquote the no, can
you explain why this tampering period even matters? Why not
just let people talk you around? What's the point? Well,
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you can't let people talk you around, because I can't.
We can't have what's tampering is way more I would say,
describes what's happening in college football. Let's say it's Week four.
Let's use the NFL as an example. And I got
Milton Williams on my team. I can't have other teams
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talking to him about a future contract that that can't happen,
and that's what happens in college football. So the year
round talk, you can't have that because that is just
becomes very shady, even though it kind of I mean,
it's not like conversations don't still happen, but that is
not allowed now. I do think once the season ends,
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they kind of pretend that these last couple, you know,
a couple of days, like give me a p I
think at the Combine it's why the NFL doesn't really
get anyone gets in.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Trouble every it's a free for all.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
So you could argue, just let every I talked about
this yesterday's let everything start at the Combine and pick
a date when you're allowed to make things official. But
like everyone's allowed to do whatever. It becomes official, partly
because you got to cut down your roster for cap reasons,
but maybe maybe Wednesday the twelfth this year, everything becomes
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official like it did, but starting Saturday of the Combine
or Thursday of the Combine, you're allowed to do whatever
you want. Theory about Daniel Jones and the Colts. I
think the Colts know that DJ is bad and are
using them as a metric against Anthony Richardson. If he
can't beat Daniel Jones, then he's done. And if he does,
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then hopefully there's some confidence built. Pretty sure this is
his last year in his rookie contract. No, he's got
one more year if assuming they don't pick up the
fifth year option, which they would have to do at
the end of this year. This this going into year
three for Anthony Rigson because he was in the CJ.
Stroud and Bryce Young draft. Pretty sure this is the
last year of his contra.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I think.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
If he isn't what they expect, then both will be
released in the cultural draft. A quarterback high Like you said,
Daniel is book smart. Maybe that's what they think ar needs.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I don't hate that theory, right, if.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
He can't beat out Daniel Jones, then you're just you're
done with him. And if he does, it just might
build a little confidence. Don't date at that at all,
because you can't bring in a guy who could like
legitimately beat him out, right, Like in training camp, you
couldn't bring Gardner Minshew back. For example, what if Gardner
Minshew just no shamesych and system.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Is just better.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's like, well, he gives us a better chance to
win than Anthony Richerson. So you bringing a guy that
you think actually is bad. But if he does somehow
win the job, then the Anthony Rigardson experiments one of
the worst of all time. But if Anthony Richon beats
him out, then just build some confidence.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
But he still has to do it on the field.
I don't think it would cement his.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Future with the cults, but you're right, it would give
some confidence. And listen, any young person who's listening to
this can relate or old person my age that has
been young, Like, confidence is very fleeting, comes and it goes.
When you got it, you just feel on top of
the world. And when you're young, you can lose it
really quick and it feels like you're never going to
get it back. So Anthony Richardson, he can act, you know,
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and I'm not saying he is, but like did feel
early on kind of cocky. It's like, bro, this is
shit is really really hard. This is not easy, Bro,
this is not easy. How painful was it when your
wife made you kiss her in the middle of a
busy intersection? I think she's talking. He's talking about something
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that got posted on Instagram. It really wasn't it was
her idea. We threw a reception at the hotel. We
did a small wedding. There were like sixty people there
and we did the reception and we got married at
the hotel. We had dinner at the hotel, and then
we rented out basically a block away from the hotel
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at one of the bars on Broadway, just our own
little floor with a band and you know, open bars
and stuff. It actually turned out to be pretty sweet.
But when we went there, we walked past it to
go to the intersection, so take like a picture so
you could see the whole strip of Broadway in the back.
It was her idea. I think it actually worked out
pretty well. One thing I realized, like our house, we
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don't really have like decorations or paintings or pictures, Like
it's pretty barren, like you would think. I'm like a
football coach, like I could leave at any moment. So
hopefully we get some stuff to just decorate the house with.
But it was it was a good idea. By her mailback,
what are your thoughts on the outlook with the Arizona Cardinals.
I believe coach has turned the tide and the team
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plays extremely hard for him. How do you think they
were trending? What else do you think they need to
do to get back in the playoffs. Well, they need
the quarterback to play well, and I thought last year
the quarterback kind of fell apart as the season went on.
I mean at one point in time where they have
five and five or six and six, like they look
pretty feisty. He had some bad moments in some big games. Now, defensively,
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you add sweat, hopefully get a little pass rush, maybe
you add another pass rusher. In this draft, you drafted
Marvin Harrison over Malik Neighbors. And as someone told me
going to that draft or like he would money, Austin
Fort is not going to take Malik Neighbors. Too much
risk involved, even if he is the better talent. Okay,
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so you take the high floor guy, the guy they
can't miss well is igh FLOORA was like, this guy
is going to be pro bowler. It's like he got
a long way to go and he's solid. But like
Molik Neighbors looks like his talent has a chance to
be like a special special player. I'm talking like Molik
Neighbors looks like he if he's healthy, a top live
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wide receiver in the NFL. So when you make a
move like that, you need Marvin Harrison, even if he's
not as good as Maligu Nambers. You need to be like, well,
Marvin's gonna make three or four Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's like, okay, you'd be okay.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
But if you don't like that's that'd be a little
bit of a problem. So I'm with you. I like
Jonathan Gannon. I do think the quarterback's a little bit
of a wild card. I kind of enjoy him just
because I think he's one of the biggest freaks in
the history of the league. I mean, he's five to
nine and he's like faster than everybody, and he's got
a huge arm. But like that that size does limit sometimes,
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like his ability to see.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
It's pretty clear. But they're just they're just a weird team.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
I just don't I think you can have good months.
I think it's hard to have good season with Kyler.
It's weird because he's not like he's not bad, but
is he good? That's my thing. It's like there are
a lot of bad quarterbacks in the NFL that is
not Kyler. Like he can have bad games or make
bad throws, but like he can play, but like, is
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he is he a top seven, eight, nine to ten
quarterback or does he? Just like some weeks he'll be
eight and then a lot of weeks he'll be like eighteen,
which can be a problem when you're paying a guy
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
He's one of the more bizarre players.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
In the league.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Big fan of the show, congrats in the marriage.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Can you talk about TJ? Watt on the last year
of his deal and only set to make twenty one million?
I can't believe no one else has brought it up
after the Garrett deal. I think there's no way he
plays at that number. Any chance Pit deals him, I
did not know that. I would say there is just
like what's his number?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
He's been injured a couple times, like Miles Garrett is
just a better player.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
God, you're right.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
This is the last year of his contract. Cap hits
thirty million.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Capit's pretty big.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
I guess you could extend him. You know, TJ's a badass.
But how old is TJ?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Now?
Speaker 1 (50:00):
It'll be thirty one, so he's a couple of years older.
And Garrett, I mean, would you give TJ? I don't
think he'd get quite Miles' number, but are you giving
him one hundred and twenty million dollars, so you're basically
locking him up till he's like thirty four.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
To thirty five.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I'd probably play it out because you're already I mean
the league you already started, and you're playing him on
the on the thirty million dollar capits.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
So I think that one's tough.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
You know, he had some injuries last year that would
rattle me a little bit. I mean, he's had some
sweet seasons, but I don't know. You know, in twenty
two he was hurt.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Last year. He didn't miss any time, but he was
banged up a lot. It's a tough one. I probably
would play it out. Mail back question.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
You have to become the general manager of one of
the top five draft picking teams.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Who do you pick? And why?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
So we got the Titans, we got the Browns, we
got the Giants, we got the Patriots, and we got
the Jags, So I can immediately throw away the Jags though,
be good little golfing area.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
I wouldn't choose that.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Patriots just too cold and shadow Belichick or whatever. I
think for me. Cleveland, no way, no offense to people
that live in Cleveland. I appreciate your love of football
in Ohio. I really do. Just not a huge Midwest guy.
To me, it's it's two choices. It's the Titans in Nashville.
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It's the easy choice. I think for me live like
a king beautiful area, easier division. It'd be just they're
building a brand new stadium that they they're probably like
a year away. They're gonna I'm sure they're gonna host
the super Bowl there. I think it's gonna have a
retractable roof, just an awesome place for football. They care
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about football deeply in the South, and unlike Jacksonville, I
think the Titans are just a much bigger brand. That's
the easy choice for me. If you're a football guy
and you're gonna accept one of these jobs, I mean,
taking the job of the New.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
York Giants is kind of the real deal.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
I mean it, if you win as the general manager
of the New York Giants, you become a fucking legend, period,
point blank.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
End of story. So I think, do.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I want the lifestyle or do I want to go
for broke and try to become a legend. And it's
it's not easy, right, but if you get it right
and you build winning football teams and you're Jerry Reese
or you are Earnie A. Corsi, like you know, it's
you become minted in that city. And I'm not even
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a big New York City guy, but sports mean a
lot in the Northeast, and the Giants and their history,
you know, multiple super Bowls with ELI, multiple Super Bowls
with Parcels, and when it's just solid, when they're just
like competing a nine to ten plus win team, like
you're playing in the big primetime games every year. You
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play the Cowboys and the Eagles, and now the Commanders
are good.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Like it's just a.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Lot of eyeballs on that team. And it's why it's
kind of sad what's happened to them now because their
games are so irrelevant. They've been so bad. And here's
the other thing, like are you talking like right now,
if I just became the GM or like, you know,
football guy X becames the GM of the New York
Giants and you resurrect this franchise and the like next year.
(53:26):
I think of Adam Peters and Dan Quinn when they're
walking around DC. It's like, damn, we got you we'll
get we'll get the check, which I always find funny.
Someone you know, you always hear like football coaches or
you know, quarterbacks never have to Brandon Graham never has
to pay for a drink in Philly again, Jalen Urts,
you know, Brandon Grant's worth like a hundred million dollars.
(53:47):
I mean a lot of people that come in here
don't have the money. But listen, that's a ran for
another day. But I always find that foot never has
to pay. The richest people never have to pay. It's
always great about being rich and famous. You actually get
a lot of free stuff, and we're just a normal
citizen with limited funds. You actually have to pay for everything.
No one gives you shit. But I uh, you know,
(54:08):
she married, she'd want to go to Nashville. I think
from a football standpoint, you just you'd have to swing
for the fences man New York Giants, resurrect them and
just try to become a legend.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
The volume
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My people?
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I'm John there's a podcast called three and Out. We're
gonna talk a.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Little football today.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm recording this at about five o'clock Wednesday afternoon. Why
I'm recording this intro. I just finished all the nuts
and bolts of the pod. But Aaron Rodgers has not signed.
Russell Wilson has not signed, so we will We'll keep
an eye out on those two individuals. Didn't want to
discuss the Eagles and their exodus. And I saw some
people freaking out Minnesota adding a lot of people because
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they got money was not paying Sam Darnold. You know
the Niners are they trying to pull a twenty twenty
four bills And I gotta pump the brakes on that one.
And we will do a big mail bag as well.
I know I haven't done one in a couple of
days because.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I just haven't at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire
in those dms. I also had to wait for my
wedding dms to kind of slow down so I could
just find some of your mail bag questions. Appreciate everyone
who has reached out again, but so we will do
a big mail bag today and keep those mail bag
questions coming. You guys know the drill at John Middlecoff
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at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in the DMS.
We will have Fougaizy Friday tomorrow. Hopefully a couple more
deals keep happening. I would love I wouldn't mind Russell
Wilson or Aaron Rodgers too signed sometime on during the
day on Thursday or even afternoon, I even at night.
I'll do something I don't care, but hoping it doesn't
(01:52):
happen like Saturday or something when I'm trying to chill.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, we don't control this, And maybe Aaron Rodgers
is in Egypt or doing ayahuasca somewhere and he's just
in no rush. As Adam Schefter said, like what are
we waiting on here? And not that I actually care,
but I do kind of agree, like you've kind of
had an idea of what your options were gonna be.
I'm sure you've been talking for weeks now. These guys
(02:16):
are used to making a lot of money, probably pretty humbling.
It's one thing for normal humans to take a pay cut,
which actually impacts you. This is has zero impact on
these humans lives, but taking twenty thirty million dollars pay cuts,
it's gotta be. It's got to rattle your confidence a
(02:37):
little bit. I don't care how old or how poor
you're playing. I've never been there, but I can't imagine
when you're used to making something. They're like, now I'm
offering you twenty five million less.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Than what you're used to. You're like, damn. Still in
the same tax bracket though.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But you guys know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast
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let's dive into the let's type in this show. Start
with the Eagles and Howie Roseman because you win the
Super Bowl and everyone is sky high, rightfully, so second
super Bowl and what seven years, second super Bowl in
franchise history. Squad is absolutely loaded. Then all of a
(03:15):
sudden they re signed Zach Bond. Everyone's like, hell yeah,
gives Saquon a little extension as a thank you, and
then free agency tampering period Hits and Sweat gets a
ton of money. In Arizona, Milton Williams gets broken off
by verbel CJ. Gardner Johnson, who I think I brought
(03:37):
a physicality back to that defense that they were clearly
missing last season, and everyone's like, what the hell is
going on? And I think the modern day version of
football moneyball right now for the Eagles. And I would
just say in general in the NFL is utilizing elite coaching,
because when you have an elite coach on a side
(03:58):
of the ball, sometimes you can overcome stuff. We have
seen Andy Reid do that since they got rid of
Tyreek Hill. We have seen Sean McVeigh do that the
last couple of years, leading back to back playoff teams,
and hell, they went toe to toe with the Philadelphia
Eagles this year, the only team that gave him a game.
And I think clearly the forty nine ers will Kyle
(04:18):
Shanahan plan on doing that this fall. And I think
when you're the Eagles, you go. We have so much
invested into our offense financially, and that's just a fact.
I mean, Saquan is the seventh highest paid player on
the offense. We have one of, if not the best
defensive coordinator in the NFL, and he is being paid
an absolute premium. And we're lucky. We have hit on
(04:41):
some sweet draft picks, but we're gonna utilize him. We're
gonna be able to let the defensive lineman go. We're
gonna be able to trade CJ. Gardner Johnson because our
ability to make guys, develop guys and find underappreciated assets
is under vix tutelage and watch. We just did it
last year was Zach Bond. We plan on doing it
(05:03):
again and they did it. They also do it on
the offensive line with Stoutland. They've done it with Jordan Mylotta,
they did it last year with Becton. They are attempting
to do that in the trade for CJ. Gardner Johnson
with the former top pick from the Houston Texans fifteenth
overall pick, Guard Green. Now, you're not going to hit
(05:23):
on all these but this is Howie and this is
why I push so heavily when it comes to the draft,
free agency, this stuff is all an economic exercise. It
really is how much do I have to pay for
the player? What type assets do I have to pay
a premium for, and what type guys can I get
on the cheap. Like one thing's pretty clear right now
(05:45):
in free agency. If you want a competent guard or tackle,
you got to pay a lot of money. But I
will say this, when you are paying a ton of
money for a starting guard or a starting tackle that
has proven he could start at those positions, it's like,
at least you know, I can plug this guy in
and he can start for me and he can function.
(06:06):
Do I feel comfortable giving Aaron Banks that much money
if I'm the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Of course not.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Do I feel great if I'm the Chiefs about signing
Jalen Moore, who was Trent Williams backup to thirty million dollars?
Of course not. But those guys have proven they can
start in enormous games. Banks has been a multiple year
starter on one of the best teams in the NFL.
So yeah, do I have to pay one hundred and
fifty cents on the dollar? Probably, But I witnessed what
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happened last year in the playoff game to the Green
Bay Packers at left guard. It was a joke, like
it was a complete embarrassment, and I'm not going to
allow that to happen again. Plus, unlike free agency, like
a guy might get hurt that you sign, but you
know what you're getting in free agency? Why because the
guy's been playing in the NFL, and if you run
the same scheme, it literally is plug and play. It's
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the only time in football where stuff is plug and
play when another team runs your offense, because there's not
often you go because in college football that's not the case.
When you are drafting a college prospect, there is a
huge projection not just his ability to play in the NFL,
but how he will work in your scheme, even if
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there are similarities to what he did in college. But
like you pay premiums in the NFL for these offensive linemen,
that much is clear when you watched how much they got.
Same thing with defensive linemen, because if you watch them
do something exactly what you're gonna ask them to do,
you feel pretty good about it because they've been doing
it for several years, typically for whatever team they've been
(07:38):
playing on. And like Howie Roseman understands how talented Milton
Williams is, but he goes, I've watched Fangio for twenty
years in the NFL find guys like that and develop them.
I've watched him take guys like Nolan Smith and develop
him into a good player and then turn him into
a Pro Bowl level guy. And then take really good
(07:58):
players like Jalen Carter and Quinnon Mitchell and Cooper dejen
and turn them into like all.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Pro level guys. So part of the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Economic outlook on their squad is we're gonna have to
trim a little bit on defense, invest in the draft,
and let Fangio coach and develop. That's why we're paying
him so much money. We've been doing it on the
offensive line for years with Jeff Staltlin for years before
he showed up. Howard Mudd was that version for the Eagles.
(08:28):
It's why he believed in Jason Kelce, an undersized athletic center.
And that's how you have to do it in football,
because you can't just find a bunch of AJ Browns
and pay them all. We saw the forty nine ers.
They got to get rid of a lot of guys
because eventually you get to a point where the cap
space just limits you. And that is why coaching is
so important. It really is. And I think the Eagles
(08:52):
are in an excellent spot because of the guy running
their defense. So yeah, some of the household names might
be gone. Clearly, those guys got a ton of money,
and rightfully so. On the open market, but I wouldn't
lose one second of sleep if I was a Philadelphia
Eagle fan now a team that I would lose a
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little sleep for, even though on paper they had an
excellent free agency. You could argue Minnesota keeping their stud
corner Byron Murphy, who I've been watching since he was
in college at Washington. Aaron Jones, who's just kind of old,
reliable running back, just really good player. They go out
and they sign multiple defensive linemen. Javon Hargrave, who went healthy,
(09:33):
is just a really solid starter and gives you a
lot of pass rush ability. Jonathan Allen, who a couple
of NFL executives told me overpay.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Not quite at that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Level anymore, but high level guy, solid player. Like I said,
you got to overpay sometimes for guards and defensive lineman.
But again, if you can plug and play and they
can just be solid, it's kind.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Of worth it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's part of having Capron because eventually it's so easy
to just talk yourself out of everything. It's like, well,
this is our number, we're not budget. It's like, is
an extra one and a half million dollars really changing you?
It's one thing if you're not budgeting on twenty or
thirty million dollars. Totally understand. Listen, I see it all
the time with Maria. She's in real estate taking clients.
(10:16):
Having been someone who looked around for a house to
buy in Arizona for a long time, you can talk
yourself out of any house, whether your price points three
hundred grand or thirty million dollars. Like every single house
you walk into you can find something wrong with it.
It's no different with free agency.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You're like, ah, this is this.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't see that. It's like it's so easy to do. Eventually,
either gonna pull the trigger, you're not. You want to
find somewhere to live. Do you want this player or
do you not? And I think when you look at Minnesota,
like they were just really really aggressive, and I think
Sam Darnold because of those last two games, made it
easy for them to go. You know what our plan
all along was to roll with JJ McCarthy. We're gonna
stick with that plan and we're gonna utilize our cap
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space and totally understand why they came to that conclusion.
Here's the problem. I talked about this yesterday. With all
the pressure now being on Caleb or the last couple days,
and I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Like that there and.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
People are like, he hasn't been making excuses. I'm not
saying he ever made an excuse. All I'm saying is
like there were a lot of excuses made for him,
and I would say many were very justifiable. That doesn't
dispute that. Like he looked way off and there was
a lot going on. But now you got a competent
offensive line, you got a sweet play caller, we know
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you got some weapons, You're gonna have a good defense.
Like the team is what turns out way better than
last year. And I would say the thing for Minnesota.
Typically when a young quarterback who gets drafted high, they
go to shitty teams, they go to terrible teams. We
saw it last year with Jaden Daniels. Jadie Danieers goes
to Washington and I don't care how far they made it,
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even Commanders fans have to agree like their roster from
a depth standpoint, was not that great. What he did
was remarkable, It really was. I mean it was. It
was insane. Typically it's like Drake May, you go to
a dog shit team and you get your teeth kicked in. Well,
JJ McCarthy's about to start for a team that won
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fifteen games last year and was just six fourteen games
whatever it was. I mean, they were sixteen minutes away
from being the number one seed and a huge reason
for that. And again, like I understand everyone, I don't
even want to say overreacting but making a really big
deal about the last two games, because it'd be disingenuous
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of me or anyone that talks about this stuff that
is so critical. Like, for example, there's a reason like
James Harden takes so much crap. It's because he's been
so bad in the playoffs and we've watched him in
his biggest moments crumble like a cookie. We saw it
for a long time when I was younger with Alex
Roderiguez in the playoffs, and the nerds will be.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like sample side, small sample, Billy bean. Anything can happen
in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, that's fine. Some guys come through, some guys do not.
Football is no different. You only get, you know, one
game opportunities. These aren't seven game series. And the games
at the beginning of January and in the first round
of the playoffs, there's just more. They just mattered more
than a game in September October. Not saying that games
is September and October are not important, but when you
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don't play well, especially in primetime games, we just judge
you more harshly. And clearly the league did as well, because,
like I said, clearly lost a lot of money. But
he threw thirty five touchdowns and a huge reason this
team was I mean, had a very good chance. And
like most people, I picked them to win that game
in Detroit because I didn't think Detroit just had enough
(13:47):
guys on the field given how many injuries. Was like,
they're gonna win the division and it's gonna be one
of the most remarkable things I think I've ever seen.
And it didn't happen, but there is no disputing the
big reason they were there and kicking the crow.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, think how.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Many times you watched the Minnesota Vikings game, and they
were just like working the Packers, working the Niners, working
the Texans. I mean, they were beating really good teams
start to finish throughout that season by a lot. And
their passing game obviously benefits from having, if not the best,
Him and Jamar Chase are two of the best wide
receiver talents we've ever seen in Justin Jefferson and Jordan
(14:22):
Addison and obviously bringing the running back back, but like
that's what JJ McCarthy has, and we've talked about this before,
Like he's never been asked to play like that. He
never had to do that with Jim Harball. That was
not the way Michigan philosophically operated. And like I was
more critical of Kevin O'Connell probably than any human being
(14:45):
that speaks about football in that playoff game, because once
Sam Darnold showed that he was overwhelmed in the previous
game and the blitzes were getting to him, and you
had to find a way to just calm the nerves,
try to run the ball, try to get some quick passes,
do something. But you got to help your quarterback out.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I felt like.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
All he was doing was throwing bombs. And I do
believe that Kevin O'Connell a lot like Sean McVay likes
to let it rip. Well, where Sean really benefited these
last couple of years, he got Matt Stafford basically the
poor man's Aaron Rodgers, and right now he's no longer
the poor man's Aaron Rodgers. I mean, clearly he's a
better player. I'm just talking like historically, he got one
(15:24):
of the great throwers in the history of the league.
And I'm not saying that JJ can't do that. His
one playoff game right before he got our preseason game
before he got injured was very, very promising. But there's
a huge difference from making some sweet plays in a
preseason game in playing the Lions or Packers on Sunday
Night football, where your coach might call thirty five passes,
(15:44):
where you were winning games in college throwing the ball
like nine times. So I'm just fascinated to watch this
play out. I'm not anti JJ McCarthy by any means,
but there is and this speaks for Caleb too. When
you just get drafted or somehow end up and get
drafted HI on these incredibly talented teams with unreal coaching
(16:05):
that like to throw the ball, there is like an
added pressure put on you. And we've said this before,
like not all these quarterbacks are gonna work out. It's
just statistically impossible. It wouldn't be a statistical outlier. It's
statistically impossible. So some of these guys are not gonna
work out and I understand why they made the move,
(16:25):
but there is a lot of risk and they have
loaded the team around. I think the Bears and the
Vikings like that.
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There's nothing more of their young quarterbacks could say that.
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It's funny when you do a when you do a
big purge everyone, and I'm probably guilty of this too,
it's like you're just goun what are you doing now?
I didn't necessarily think that with the Bills though, when
they did it last year. It is crazy when you
take a team that is always in the playoffs and
always playing big games and just see them start cutting
(18:43):
or letting guys walk that were I would say consistent
starters for that team over the era of which they've
been making runs in the playoffs, and the forty nine Ers,
when they do that, it's like jarring. It really is.
When you see guys that have been huge, huge parts
of all their big wins going to other teams, like
(19:05):
it's crazy to watch, even if it is the way
the NFL works. Some teams have a slower process and
just get rid of guys year to year. Some teams
take it right to the end and then just get
rid of everybody. But one comp I've heard is like, well,
the Bills did it last year, the forty nine Ers
did it this year, the Rams have done it a
couple of years ago. You can keep winning and going
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to the playoffs when you do that, And that is
one hundred percent true. The Bills have one of the
greatest quarterbacks, at least the most talented quarterbacks. Greatest would
be strong still got a long way to go, but
one of the most talented quarterbacks we've ever seen, and
in a year where it felt like they got rid
of half their team, he immediately carried the team to
(19:47):
the AFC Championship and won the Super Bowl some of
the big games Matt Stafford has had the last couple
of years with a team that clearly wasn't as talented
top to bottom as the one that won the Super
Bowl in twenty twenty one. It's like he's kind of
a max quarterback and the pressure and who knows. I
have no clue what brock Purty is end up gonna make.
(20:09):
If it is true that the forty nine ers are
going to drive a hard bargain, do you know what
I would do. I'd be like, I'll give you three years,
one hundred and twenty million, and I'll guarantee every penny
forty million dollars a year. And you know, these media
people that love like I don't even know they want
to see him make two hundred million dollars a year.
I don't care actually how much he makes. I just think,
based on the cap and based on the elite quarterbacks,
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paying him a ton of money is extremely risky because
he's not as talented as these other guys, especially the
cream of the crop. And I've seen less talented guys
get paid a premium and their team crumble and their
team look awful. And I think the forty nine ers
are in this weird spot. It's like, yeah, the Bills
could do that because they had Josh Allen. It's like, yeah,
(20:52):
the Rams could do that because they had Matt Stafford.
Now you could put some of the numbers together against
Brock party and Matt Stafford. Come on, what do we argue?
There was not a coach in the NFL, including Kyle,
who would take Brock Purdy over Matt Stafford. So I
just think the forty nine ers are in this weird time.
I don't just think they're gonna crumble because they let
a bunch of guys go. But if the plan is
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to put it all on Brock's back a lot like
they did with Stafford and definitely how they did with
Josh Allen, that will fail. That will not work. And
we have talked about this with Jared Goff and Jalen Hurst.
Who are you know in the category of Brocks beat them?
They've beat him, like we've kind of seen it both ways.
But both guys started kicking ass when their teams surrounded
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them with unlimited talent, and that is the pressure on
the forty nine ers. Brock had a ton of success
in that situation. The moment some of their injuries started
happening down the stretch of the season, he did not
play as well. That's that's an objective take, and I
don't know anyone that would disagree. A ton of awful
interceptions down the stretch of the season where the season
(21:59):
was still alive. So I just think anytime you're in
a slippery slope of like, Okay, you're putting all your
chips in the middle of the table and your team's
not as good like you better be understand what is
around that door. It could get really weird, really fast,
and there's nothing that you can really do about it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
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This week, we're discussing the challenge faced by all these
teams to just signed big free agents because I was
part of a free agent class when I worked in
Philly called the Dream Team, and we brought in a
lot of guys and some of them did not fit
(23:06):
the scheme. Some of them just were over the hill
and couldn't play. And in the NFL, when you pay
a guy a lot of money, and most of these
contracts aren't crazy, right, thirty forty fifty million dollars, but
in twenty twenty five, once you have signed that guy,
there are expectations on him to not only start, but
(23:26):
to play pretty well. Most of these guys, the expectation
is for them not to be like an All Pro
or a Pro bowler. Best case scenario is like a
Zach Bond, but like worst case scenario is just can
you just start for me? Can you just stay on
the field and be a functional starter. And that's why
it is so important for the scouting department, the coaching staff,
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and the player to understand what they're getting into, because
I totally get if I'm a player, this might be
the only time that I can ever break the bank.
I'm just coming off a big season and someone's offering
me millions of dollars, especially if it's the first time
I've hit free agency and I'm a fourth, fifth, sixth,
seventh round i haven't made any money. But you better
(24:09):
be on the same page as the coach in the
GM who are signing you to that money. What they
are going to ask you to do schematically fits your
skill set and what you just excel at doing for
your previous team. Because we see time and time again
that a player, a corner, a linebacker, a receiver will
(24:30):
go and it just doesn't work for whatever reason. You're like,
I've seen this guy play before, he's good, and then
you see him with that team, You're like, he no
longer is good. And a lot of times it's not
because the guy's legs are shot or he just forgot
how to catch, or he doesn't understand a playbook. It's
like what they are asking him to do is not
(24:50):
actually the strength that he brings the table as a
professional football player. So the reason you see guys excel
as free agent signings is because there's typically a seamless
scheme fit and a coach knows that with that player,
he can put him in the right positions to utilize
whatever he brings to the table physically, and when that
(25:12):
is not the case, that's where you get problems. And
I'm fascinated, Like, obviously some of these free agents, they're
gonna be seamless fits. They're gonna be starters for teams
that will go to the playoffs, and the general manager
will get a lot of credit. And there are gonna
be a lot that are gonna be a huge reason
that that general manager takes a lot of crap that
(25:32):
is like, wait, you spent all this money on this
guy and he can't play. If you're winning, none of
it matters. The Eagles huff last year. No one even
talks about it. Why won the Super Bowl? When you
start winning five, six, seven games and your team is
watching around one of the playoffs and your you know,
your players are headed to can Kun and your coaching
(25:52):
staff alls their head down in their office, it usually
like that becomes a huge, huge point of conversation. So, uh,
the work that went in the last I would say
several weeks. Obviously you scout these players all season long,
but like these last couple of weeks are okay, are
we good with putting pen to paper and giving player
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X a twenty eight million dollars signing bonus to be
our starting right tackle, or to be our starting middle linebacker,
or to be our starting nickel corner. You know, once
you do that, that guy is going to play.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
That guy is.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Going to start for you. You pencil lim in as a starter.
So even if you draft some good young players, that
guy is gonna get the benefit of doubt. And if
it does not go well, you know, football is kind
of a big deal and a lot of fans would
not be happy, and usually that's who the owners listen to,
like what is going on. So that's it for this
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a little mail bag at John middlcoff is the Instagram
fire in those dms, get your questions answered here on
the show. We had to give it a couple of days.
Anyone that slid in those dms and said, congrats on
the wedding, congrats on the nuptials.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm more in a ring.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I lasted with the silver ring for twenty four hours.
By the time I got back on Monday afternoon, I
had already ordered rubber black and gray rings because I
just I can't the silver ring. I can't wear on
a daily basis and go to the gym. I can't shower,
I can't. I couldn't wear podcasting like it just felt.
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I could wear the nice occasions. I'll wear it, you know,
if I'm dressed up or whatever. But rubber rings. A
lot of people at my wedding were guys who had
lost rings and said rubber all day. Immediately get home.
Glad I did, But I appreciate everyone that reached out
said thank you and or I thank you for your
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kind words.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, let's have it in the mailbag.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Do you think the Bills will get the same result
with Joey Bosa as they did with Von Miller, both older,
past their prime, banged up and coming off or coming
from warm Los Angeles. I think it's pretty clear they
are signing these guys to get over the casey hump.
In January, but Von Miller couldn't stay healthy that long,
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and I wonder if Bosa we'll be able to as well.
That's why I thought Miles Garrett would have been perfect
for them. As a Pats fan, I'm fucking pumped to
see us ball out day one in free agency. Our
defense looks absolutely stacked on paper, and I like the
mac Hollins pickup. What do you think the next move
will be in free agency? It's funny. I saw the
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Patriots are doing a one o'clock or noon press conference
I think on Thursday to introduce all the free agents,
and someone on Twitter today was like, this is like
a is a foreign concept to the Patriots. I mean,
Belichick for twenty plus years laughed at the notion of
signing anyone in free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
In fairness to Rabel and what they're doing, it's because
of the roster, how crappy it was, that they needed
more talent. But if I was a Patriot fan, I
would be excited, you know, I mean, this is you
just got some real players at a bunch of different positions,
not guys like you know I ideally you nail some
franchise players in the draft, but you know, Milton Williams
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real players. That's a really really good draft pick, especially
with a stud like Vrabel who knows defense, so I'd
be excited. I think the difference I remember remember von
Miller's career felt like it was slipping away, and then
the Rams I forget was a second and a third
round pick they traded for von Miller, and the Broncos
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ate all the money, so they essentially bought picks and
they gave him von Miller. I'm pretty sure von Miller
every like the last couple games of the season, in
every playoff game including the Super Bowl, had a sack,
so the Bills were like, he's got it back. And
then my number could be a little off, but I
thought they guaranteed him close to fifty million dollars. They
gave him an enormous contract. They gave Joey Bosa one
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year twelve million dollars. And again the numbers that we have,
how did they guarantee him five of that twelve or
eight of that twelve? And the other is incentives. I
have no problem taking a swing on that. I have
no problem doing one year deals on elite talents that
are kind of older, that have been banged up, especially
if you're a good team. I think you do that
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deal all day long and twice on Sundays. Now, ideally
he's healthy for the home stretch and he could have
some big plays in December and in January and help
you get over the hump. To me, if you had
given him two years, you know, forty million dollars, he'd
be like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But I can give.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
One year deals all day long to guys like Joey Bosa,
so I like to move a lot. And it's like
I thought, you know, I don't know why I thought
this because his brother was on the team. It's like,
is he going to be a forty nine er? He
made the right decision. They got you sign up twelve
million dollars, which was clearly more money than he was
getting other places, including incentives or whatever. But to hop
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on the ride with Josh Allen and they just got
to keep him healthy because he's just he's been hurt
a lot. I mean a lot, a lot. It feels
like he's been way more banged up. And in fairness
to Von Miller, von Miller was a better player than
Joey Bosa. You know, when they're both like in the
prime of their career, A huge fan from the outside
of Chicago in the Burbs, as a Bears fan since
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birth ninety eight. You're young. I can't remember us having
a more stacked a line this upcoming season. Lots of
chatter coming out of the Bears should make a splash
and take Genty with the tenth pick. But I'd rather
snag another lineman for rotation, like Campbell or Banks, with
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Funy being older. What do you say, Well, I think
there's two ways to look at it. One, I am
opposed to taking running backs really high when the depth
of a running back class is deep. I mean, there
are countless guys who will start for you in the
second and third round of this draft. I promise you that. Now,
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if the equivalent of like Saquon Barkley or Bijon Robinson
or Christian McCaffrey when he was coming out of Stanford
was in this draft and you put him on the
Bears team to go with your young quarterback and that
offensive line, I.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Think it would be really explosive.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So, like I'm anti taking running backs because it's an
economic exercise, there are gonna be sweet defensive linemen there
so you could get a defensive lineman who can be
like a cornerstone of your franchise, where ideally you're not
drafting tenth again. But like if genty turns out to
be I mean, an elite All Pro talent, which I'm
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still I know he broke more tackles in college football
than any other player. I got my start in the Whack,
which is now the Mountain West. It is not the
big tenor of the SEC. He is a special player.
He's an awesome player, but he did dominate in a
separate level of competition. Then I saw him against Penn
State and it was much more difficult. Now it's I'm
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not all this stuff is not apples to apples. Going
to Chicago doesn't mean he won't be able to break
NFL tackles. But it's a conversation we're having if I'm
Ryan Poles. At the end of the day, I think
the right move. Again, assuming gent becomes a good player,
you got to assume the guy you're gonna draft ideally
a defensive lineman. We just had this exercise last year.
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Roma Dune's a sexy player, Genti sexy player. Do you
know what wins Linus scrimmage, Go grab yourself. Where did
the Eagles get Jalen Carter pick nine? Now, obviously he
most drafts he's If he hadn't been in trouble or
gone through the car accident, he would have been the
number one or two pick in the draft. But like,
there are gonna be some players because a couple of
quarterbacks are gonna go, a couple offensive linemen are gonna
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push guys down, You're gonna get one of the better
defensive linemen in this draft. I just think that is
the right football move. And then with a later pick,
pull the trigger on a running back.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
That would be my move.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Congrats on the wedding. I know you're a big Nashville guy.
Would you ever consider moving down here? You know when
we were there, we thursday, I played golf with my
brother in law, which is weird to say, and my
brother and we went down to Vanderbilt's course. You know,
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it's been a rough winner. So the course is a
lot of the grass is dead, but the course is sick.
I've actually played there be four years ago. The Vanderbilt
clubhouse is remarkable, it really is. And when we were
leaving the course, Peyton Manning was standing right there chipping.
It looked like with his kid. I was like, damn,
Peyton Manning's here, and the area in the suburbs out
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where the Vanderbilt courses in Franklin and Brentwood is just badass.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So would I leave the West Coast?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
No, But if we do well in life, would I
buy a place there without hesitation? Now, for my wedding,
we were staying downtown, so it's basically like a Vegas bender,
you know, from Wednesday, Thursday, a little bit Friday, and
then really hard Saturday. So that's you know, the life
in the burbs with the hills. It reminds me a
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lot of you know, where I grew up in Sacramento area,
probably about thirty minutes towards the city where I live
for a long time, in Walnut Creek. It's called the
Danville Pleasanton. It's forever where a lot of like just
people lived. I mean, it's gorgeous. It's some of the
most expensive real estate in all of California. You know,
John Gruden used to have a pad there. It's just beautiful,
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rolling hills. Franklin has some vibe like that, just a
little safer and a lot less taxes, but I mean it's
now become very very expensive. I would get a pad
down there in a New York minute. I'm not a
big humidity guy. That's my only thing. It is nice
to feel their winter. It's kind of cold, kind of
like that. But the humidity, I know it gets hot
in Arizona, but there's humidity is a different animal. It's
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my only issue with the South. You know, on the food,
a lot of stuff fried, but.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Which I like, I just get really fat.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Question for the mailback thoughts on this Niner should have
let Purdy walk to pay, keep some guys departing and
trade it up into the top five or seven to
draft shador. I think with Shanahan he would be a
great fit along with a quarterback on a rookie deal
with the Raiders that's out of the quarterback race. Is
the draft a very good chance he could even be
there at eleven? Truly depends which would imagine cam Ward
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is number one to the Giants via trade. I think
it's pretty clear. I think the Titans are gonna take
cam Ward. I think that's to my knowledge as we
sit here right now, they have not signed anyone. I
think cam Ward is gonna be the pick, and then
my guess would be the Browns take Abdull Carter and
then the Giants are on the clock. It's like, do
they take Shador or do they just take Travis Hunter.
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I don't even do they have a quarterback yet. I
guess it depends on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But you can't Pertty's under contract like Perty makes if
you draft Shador at eleven. Chador makes way more money
than Perty would if he's just.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Keeps his contract.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So I think Perty's not a free agent, you know.
Pretty there's all this talk I always this always drives
me nuts last year about tut It's like, can't we
just make or Trevor Lawrence? Like whatever happened to finishing
out contracts? Should the Bay are doing it with Jamar Chase.
Now you can argue people think the Bengals are crazy,
but I would lowball is when I hear that term,
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like low ball relative to what I'd argue, like, you're
offering lesson Trevor Lwnce. Yeah, I think Trevor Lawrence contract's
an embarrassment. So yeah, I'm gonna offer less than that.
I don't do business like the Jacks. I'm mean, look
at their franchise. They draft in the top five every year.
If I'm Kyle Shanham, like, I can't even relate to them,
but I just think it's an awful contract. So, like,
my take was simple, three years, one hundred and twenty million,
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guarantee every penny. It's like you've been making a million dollars.
Who's turning that down? Play it out if you want,
Like this, this is a business like whatever happened to
be in cutthroat and business, all of us deal with
it in all of our industries. The NFL used to
be the most cutthroat business, and now it's like and
it still is with all these other positions.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yet with quarterback it's.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Like, oh, how much do you want, Trevor Brock Do
you want two hundred million? Here you go. It's like,
unless your name's Josh Allen mahomes lamar, like I'm negotiating
the shit out.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Of these deals.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And it feels like some of these teams like to
what do you want one seventy five here?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Buddy? It's like you guys, nuts.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Was listening the other day and you were talking about
NFL contracts and said NFL contracts are nowhere near as
big as NBA ones.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Why is this?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
The NFL is far bigger product, higher rating, and meaningful
regular season unlike the NBA. Football is so much more
physically demanding. What gifts numbers. I mean, there are twelve
guys on an NBA team, and your top two guys
on on an NBA team can carry you to championships.
There are fifty three guys on a roster, and even
if you have a top heavy roster, you need I
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don't know, seven eight elite players, and then you need
a second tier of another ten guys. So they're just
more mouths defeat. It's just just you know, knew if
there were twelve guys on an NFL team, then I
think NFL players would make way more money. But you
have to have a roster of fifty three guys, so
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I just I just think it's just a math game.
It's if you do the total accumulation, the NFL is
making way more millionaires than basketball or baseball because they're
just more players. Now, the top guys make way more money.
But the guarantee thing is like a business thing, like
the owner's fight to not guarantee the money because of
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the risk is involved with the injuries. Now the money
is so big. Even if you don't get everything guaranteed,
you're still making so much money. It's kind of got
to the point where revenue so huge. It's like, even
if I get one hundred million dollar contract, I don't
live it out, I still get seventy million of it.
It was way shittier for the guys back in the
day when the numbers were way smaller and you were
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a good player. You signed like a four year twenty
million dollar deal, you ruin your leg year two and
you'd only get eight million, which again eight million twenty
years ago, still a lot of money. But the amount
of money they're making now is so huge. I was
I think since the Vikings are probably gonna roll with McCarthy.
I don't think there's any thinking they are rolling with McCarthy,
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but I think they would get Flacco or Gardner Minshew
as a veteran quarterback. Both have experience and are top
of the line backup quarterbacks in the market. Thank you.
What do you think I would guess that they signed
some guy like that. I mean, you're gonna need some
insurance just based on the dude got missed the entire
first season because of his knee and needed multiple surgeries,
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and the last time we saw him, he looked like
he weighed kind of jealous, like one hundred and seventy
five pounds. But I would yeah, I mean, I would
be stunned if they don't pull the trigger on some
sort of veteran quarterback. The terminology bothers me as mailback
question tampering. Tampering is defined as making changes to something
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that you should not, usually when you are trying to
damage or do something illegal, but it's not against the rules.
But more to the point, I'm a layman for those
of us who aren't in quote unquote the no, can
you explain why this tampering period even matters? Why not
just let people talk you around? What's the point? Well,
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you can't let people talk you around, because I can't.
We can't have what's tampering is way more I would say,
describes what's happening in college football. Let's say it's Week four.
Let's use the NFL as an example. And I got
Milton Williams on my team. I can't have other teams
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talking to him about a future contract that that can't happen,
and that's what happens in college football. So the year
round talk, you can't have that because that is just
becomes very shady, even though it kind of I mean,
it's not like conversations don't still happen, but that is
not allowed now. I do think once the season ends,
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they kind of pretend that these last couple, you know,
a couple of days, like give me a p I
think at the Combine it's why the NFL doesn't really
get anyone gets in.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Trouble every it's a free for all.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
So you could argue, just let every I talked about
this yesterday's let everything start at the Combine and pick
a date when you're allowed to make things official. But
like everyone's allowed to do whatever. It becomes official, partly
because you got to cut down your roster for cap reasons,
but maybe maybe Wednesday the twelfth this year, everything becomes
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official like it did, but starting Saturday of the Combine
or Thursday of the Combine, you're allowed to do whatever
you want. Theory about Daniel Jones and the Colts. I
think the Colts know that DJ is bad and are
using them as a metric against Anthony Richardson. If he
can't beat Daniel Jones, then he's done. And if he does,
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then hopefully there's some confidence built. Pretty sure this is
his last year in his rookie contract. No, he's got
one more year if assuming they don't pick up the
fifth year option, which they would have to do at
the end of this year. This this going into year
three for Anthony Rigson because he was in the CJ.
Stroud and Bryce Young draft. Pretty sure this is the
last year of his contra.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I think.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
If he isn't what they expect, then both will be
released in the cultural draft. A quarterback high Like you said,
Daniel is book smart. Maybe that's what they think ar needs.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I don't hate that theory, right, if.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
He can't beat out Daniel Jones, then you're just you're
done with him. And if he does, it just might
build a little confidence. Don't date at that at all,
because you can't bring in a guy who could like
legitimately beat him out, right, Like in training camp, you
couldn't bring Gardner Minshew back. For example, what if Gardner
Minshew just no shamesych and system.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Is just better.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's like, well, he gives us a better chance to
win than Anthony Richerson. So you bringing a guy that
you think actually is bad. But if he does somehow
win the job, then the Anthony Rigardson experiments one of
the worst of all time. But if Anthony Richon beats
him out, then just build some confidence.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
But he still has to do it on the field.
I don't think it would cement his.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Future with the cults, but you're right, it would give
some confidence. And listen, any young person who's listening to
this can relate or old person my age that has
been young, Like, confidence is very fleeting, comes and it goes.
When you got it, you just feel on top of
the world. And when you're young, you can lose it
really quick and it feels like you're never going to
get it back. So Anthony Richardson, he can act, you know,
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and I'm not saying he is, but like did feel
early on kind of cocky. It's like, bro, this is
shit is really really hard. This is not easy, Bro,
this is not easy. How painful was it when your
wife made you kiss her in the middle of a
busy intersection? I think she's talking. He's talking about something
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that got posted on Instagram. It really wasn't it was
her idea. We threw a reception at the hotel. We
did a small wedding. There were like sixty people there
and we did the reception and we got married at
the hotel. We had dinner at the hotel, and then
we rented out basically a block away from the hotel
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at one of the bars on Broadway, just our own
little floor with a band and you know, open bars
and stuff. It actually turned out to be pretty sweet.
But when we went there, we walked past it to
go to the intersection, so take like a picture so
you could see the whole strip of Broadway in the back.
It was her idea. I think it actually worked out
pretty well. One thing I realized, like our house, we
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don't really have like decorations or paintings or pictures, Like
it's pretty barren, like you would think. I'm like a
football coach, like I could leave at any moment. So
hopefully we get some stuff to just decorate the house with.
But it was it was a good idea. By her mailback,
what are your thoughts on the outlook with the Arizona Cardinals.
I believe coach has turned the tide and the team
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plays extremely hard for him. How do you think they
were trending? What else do you think they need to
do to get back in the playoffs. Well, they need
the quarterback to play well, and I thought last year
the quarterback kind of fell apart as the season went on.
I mean at one point in time where they have
five and five or six and six, like they look
pretty feisty. He had some bad moments in some big games. Now, defensively,
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you add sweat, hopefully get a little pass rush, maybe
you add another pass rusher. In this draft, you drafted
Marvin Harrison over Malik Neighbors. And as someone told me
going to that draft or like he would money, Austin
Fort is not going to take Malik Neighbors. Too much
risk involved, even if he is the better talent. Okay,
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so you take the high floor guy, the guy they
can't miss well is igh FLOORA was like, this guy
is going to be pro bowler. It's like he got
a long way to go and he's solid. But like
Molik Neighbors looks like his talent has a chance to
be like a special special player. I'm talking like Molik
Neighbors looks like he if he's healthy, a top live
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wide receiver in the NFL. So when you make a
move like that, you need Marvin Harrison, even if he's
not as good as Maligu Nambers. You need to be like, well,
Marvin's gonna make three or four Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's like, okay, you'd be okay.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
But if you don't like that's that'd be a little
bit of a problem. So I'm with you. I like
Jonathan Gannon. I do think the quarterback's a little bit
of a wild card. I kind of enjoy him just
because I think he's one of the biggest freaks in
the history of the league. I mean, he's five to
nine and he's like faster than everybody, and he's got
a huge arm. But like that that size does limit sometimes,
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like his ability to see.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
It's pretty clear. But they're just they're just a weird team.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
I just don't I think you can have good months.
I think it's hard to have good season with Kyler.
It's weird because he's not like he's not bad, but
is he good? That's my thing. It's like there are
a lot of bad quarterbacks in the NFL that is
not Kyler. Like he can have bad games or make
bad throws, but like he can play, but like, is
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he is he a top seven, eight, nine to ten
quarterback or does he? Just like some weeks he'll be
eight and then a lot of weeks he'll be like eighteen,
which can be a problem when you're paying a guy
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
He's one of the more bizarre players.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
In the league.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Big fan of the show, congrats in the marriage.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Can you talk about TJ? Watt on the last year
of his deal and only set to make twenty one million?
I can't believe no one else has brought it up
after the Garrett deal. I think there's no way he
plays at that number. Any chance Pit deals him, I
did not know that. I would say there is just
like what's his number?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
He's been injured a couple times, like Miles Garrett is
just a better player.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
God, you're right.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
This is the last year of his contract. Cap hits
thirty million.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Capit's pretty big.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
I guess you could extend him. You know, TJ's a badass.
But how old is TJ?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Now?
Speaker 1 (50:00):
It'll be thirty one, so he's a couple of years older.
And Garrett, I mean, would you give TJ? I don't
think he'd get quite Miles' number, but are you giving
him one hundred and twenty million dollars, so you're basically
locking him up till he's like thirty four.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
To thirty five.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I'd probably play it out because you're already I mean
the league you already started, and you're playing him on
the on the thirty million dollar capits.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
So I think that one's tough.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
You know, he had some injuries last year that would
rattle me a little bit. I mean, he's had some
sweet seasons, but I don't know. You know, in twenty
two he was hurt.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Last year. He didn't miss any time, but he was
banged up a lot. It's a tough one. I probably
would play it out. Mail back question.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
You have to become the general manager of one of
the top five draft picking teams.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Who do you pick? And why?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
So we got the Titans, we got the Browns, we
got the Giants, we got the Patriots, and we got
the Jags, So I can immediately throw away the Jags though,
be good little golfing area.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
I wouldn't choose that.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Patriots just too cold and shadow Belichick or whatever. I
think for me. Cleveland, no way, no offense to people
that live in Cleveland. I appreciate your love of football
in Ohio. I really do. Just not a huge Midwest guy.
To me, it's it's two choices. It's the Titans in Nashville.
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It's the easy choice. I think for me live like
a king beautiful area, easier division. It'd be just they're
building a brand new stadium that they they're probably like
a year away. They're gonna I'm sure they're gonna host
the super Bowl there. I think it's gonna have a
retractable roof, just an awesome place for football. They care
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about football deeply in the South, and unlike Jacksonville, I
think the Titans are just a much bigger brand. That's
the easy choice for me. If you're a football guy
and you're gonna accept one of these jobs, I mean,
taking the job of the New.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
York Giants is kind of the real deal.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
I mean it, if you win as the general manager
of the New York Giants, you become a fucking legend, period,
point blank.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
End of story. So I think, do.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I want the lifestyle or do I want to go
for broke and try to become a legend. And it's
it's not easy, right, but if you get it right
and you build winning football teams and you're Jerry Reese
or you are Earnie A. Corsi, like you know, it's
you become minted in that city. And I'm not even
(52:40):
a big New York City guy, but sports mean a
lot in the Northeast, and the Giants and their history,
you know, multiple super Bowls with ELI, multiple Super Bowls
with Parcels, and when it's just solid, when they're just
like competing a nine to ten plus win team, like
you're playing in the big primetime games every year. You
(53:02):
play the Cowboys and the Eagles, and now the Commanders
are good.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Like it's just a.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Lot of eyeballs on that team. And it's why it's
kind of sad what's happened to them now because their
games are so irrelevant. They've been so bad. And here's
the other thing, like are you talking like right now,
if I just became the GM or like, you know,
football guy X becames the GM of the New York
Giants and you resurrect this franchise and the like next year.
(53:26):
I think of Adam Peters and Dan Quinn when they're
walking around DC. It's like, damn, we got you we'll
get we'll get the check, which I always find funny.
Someone you know, you always hear like football coaches or
you know, quarterbacks never have to Brandon Graham never has
to pay for a drink in Philly again, Jalen Urts,
you know, Brandon Grant's worth like a hundred million dollars.
(53:47):
I mean a lot of people that come in here
don't have the money. But listen, that's a ran for
another day. But I always find that foot never has
to pay. The richest people never have to pay. It's
always great about being rich and famous. You actually get
a lot of free stuff, and we're just a normal
citizen with limited funds. You actually have to pay for everything.
No one gives you shit. But I uh, you know,
(54:08):
she married, she'd want to go to Nashville. I think
from a football standpoint, you just you'd have to swing
for the fences man New York Giants, resurrect them and
just try to become a legend.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
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