3 & Out - Goff leads the Lions on Monday Night, Baker vs. Brady, RIP Dikembe and Pete Rose - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. I love touchdowns tuddies, taking them to the house.
In for six, I call them tugs. Whenever you call
a touchdown. One thing's for sure, touchdowns matter more at
Draftking Sportsbook, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL. On
the ground, in the air, special teams or defense, we

(00:24):
do not care how they score them. We want to
bet on touchdowns. In Draftking Sportsbook is delivering ready to
place your first bet. Try betting on something as simple
like picking a player to score a touchdown or how
many touchdowns will be in a game. Go to Draftking
Sportsbook app and make your pick. Ready to do a

(00:45):
touchdown dance on your own. New DraftKings customers bet five
dollars to get two hundred bonus bets. Instantly score big
with Draftking Sportsbook, the number one place to bet touchdowns.
Download the Draftking Sportsbook app now and use the code
John Jochen. That's code John. New customers get two hundred

(01:06):
dollars in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks
only on DraftKings. The Crown is.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yours gambling problem. Call one eight hundred Gambler in New
York call eight seven seven eight Hope and y or
text hope and y four six seven three six nine.
In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call eight
eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or
visit CCPG dot org. Please play responsibly on behalf of Boothill,
Casino and Resorting Kansas twenty one and over. Agent eligibility
varies by jurisdiction. Void in New Hampshire, Oregon. In Ontario,

(01:34):
bonus bets expire one hundred and sixty eight hours after issueance.
For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNNG dot co.
Slash ft Ball NFL Plus premium offer available only to
new and former NFL Plus subscribers. Additional NFL Plus premium
terms at NFL dot com slash terms.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
What is going On Everybody? John Middlecoff three and out podcast.
Hopefully you have come to get a full breakdown every
single play of the Miami Dolphins Tennessee Titans game. I
watched every snap, took copious notes, and will break down

(02:20):
every moment of every play of that game. Would you
rather do that or like swim with alligators or grey
white charts? Because if you told me I was in
a cage and relatively safe, I think I'd rather do
that than of I mean, I watched way too much
of that game. We won't talk much about it, but

(02:40):
we will talk about the Lions and the Seattle game,
which gotta give Genoks some credit. He looks pretty good.
Jared Goff doesn't throw a completion an incompletion. Obviously, the
Lions win relatively big. The defense kind of non existent
in that game. For two teams. I mean, obviously they
should The Lions definitely should be a playoff team. Seattle

(03:02):
we'll see as they play better teams. Obviously they have
a bunch of defensive injuries, but those two offensive coordinators
and those two teams are really really good. So we
will talk about that game. Do a quick penthouse and
out house. Not many teams in those right now. And
I did want to give a little shout out to
a little rip today due to a couple guys sports

(03:24):
legends that passed away on the same day, Monday, September thirtieth,
So we will dive into that. Obviously, subscribe to the
subscribe to the podcast. If you listen on Collins Feed,
make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel as well.
A bunch of content up there. Will have a new

(03:45):
golf video tomorrow breaking eighty on old YouTube and other
than that, we're rocking and rolling. But first, you know,
I got to tell you about my friends, my partners.
In the official ticketing app of this podcast game, the
Detroit fans, now that their team is good, just always
look like they're having such a good time. It's like

(04:06):
that's the place to be. I saw baseball. The Mets
clearly had to play some game that impacted the playoffs
they got in. I think the Diamondbacks didn't get in.
If you want to go to one of these playoff
baseball games, if you want to go to a football
game this fall, obviously, concerts, comedy shows, you name it.
Game Time they got flash deals, easy to search, venue

(04:29):
team artists, you name it. Use them because take the
guests work out of buying tickets with game Time. Download
the game Time app, create an account and use the
code John for twenty dollars off your first purchase. Terms
of play Again, create an account, redeem the code John
for twenty dollars off down on the Game Time app
to day last minute tickets, lowest price is guaranteed. There

(04:52):
wasn't much defense played in that game. Let's just let's
call a spade a spade, let's be real. But that
was still really entertaining to watch, and after what I
guess we had to witness. Maybe I had to witness
because I felt contractually obligated doing this for a living
to keep an eye on the other game. Though I
did turn it off like four minutes left because I

(05:14):
was out in the living room on the two box.
But it was a lot of fun. And before we
get negative or criticize the offense in that game, and
the Lions are so loaded on offense, Jared Goff did
not throw an incompletion. Now, he got bailed out on
a pick play. I mean both teams ran pickplays late

(05:35):
in that game, where it's one thing to like kind
of fake running around and just pretend you're bumping into him.
Both the guys ran out of their way and lowered
their shoulders like they were defensive players. Definitely the Lions
one was a really easy call. So he got bailed out,
but he went eighteen to eighteen. And the best Jared
Goff is the version where you run the ball, and

(05:59):
one that team has with their offensive line is Montgomery
sets the tone early. You got Gibbs, who in theory
is like this pass catching outside runner sweeps and stuff.
But when you're hitting these, you know, making these big
holes his speed and it's just off and running and
then the balance they have in their passing game. Jameson

(06:19):
Williams hits the big play. He's so fast. I mean,
you get that guy in space, No one's catching him.
No one is just more consistent and tough over the
middle than Saint Brown. Obviously he threw a touchdown and laporta.
When he's healthy, he's a big time weapons. So that
offense is just freaking awesome. It's really really complete. You

(06:41):
could argue the only downfall of it being a quote
unquote Super Bowl offense, and you saw it tonight. Like
one big difference between Geno and Jared is Gino can
move a little bit. Jared Goff cannot. Even on the
touchdown pass, it was like, is the DV gonna catch
him before the ball gets there? He just he's he's
a relic. He's an old school throwback of a guy

(07:03):
that can't move, and the way you take advantage of
him is by hitting him and throwing him off because
like Kirk Cousins, like all these old school you know,
pocket passers, and those guys are never on the level
of like the Peyton's and the elis Is. When you
hit him, you throw off their offense because they can't
add lip. There is no ad libability where on the
flip side, Gino who Seattle? Same thing? Now, Seattle's offensive

(07:28):
line clearly is not on the level of Detroit's, but
just in terms of offensive weapons, like I'm sorry, Aaron
Glenn and I listen. I like Carlton Davis, or at
least have in the past. You guys draft a first
round corner from Alabama. But you get to the point like,
and I know you're trying to switch up coverages, Mann
demand defense against DK Metcalf, who's six foot four, two

(07:50):
hundred and thirty five pounds and runs a four to
three is probably not gonna go great. And it was
a disaster most of the night. Honestly, I would have
thrown to DK more. He looks like Terrell Owens when
they run him on that little drag route. Jackson Smith's
stud Tyler Lockett's been one of the more underappreciated players
in the league. Kenneth Walker got, uh, what's the guy's name?

(08:13):
Mel Tucker A ninety five million dollar contract one year,
Michigan State ran for like nineteen hundred yards. They won
like ten or eleven games. Mel Tucker was terrible. Obviously
had some other issues off the field, but it was
that that dude who is a stud so a lot
like Detroit. I mean, that offense is really loaded, and
let's face it, he takes a lot of criticism. And

(08:34):
I'm one because I go, yeah, he's kind of mid,
kind of average, but you go, well, obviously from an
intangible stuff checks all the boxes. From an arm strength standpoint,
I wouldn't call it a ten out of ten, but
it's definitely I don't know, eight eight and a half.
Like he's got a really really good arm, he's really mobile,

(08:55):
he can ad lib, made some plays with his legs,
and like he he was pretty unreal tonight. And if
the Detroit Lions, who I thought were a legitimate Super
Bowl contender, I can just remove Brian Branch who is
an excellent player, and your defense look like one of
the worst teams in the league. I can't take you

(09:17):
as seriously. I know you're three to one. I like
your coaching staff, I like a lot of your core players, clearly,
but when you can't cover anybody, can't cover anybody, And
you'd be like, well, John's dk metcalf Well, who plays
in their division? Who is undefeated? The Minnesota Vikings, who
do they have I don't know, Justin Jefferson, Oh yeah,

(09:39):
Jordan Addison. How are they gonna cover those two guys?
I mean, that's a matchup. The way they're playing I
do not like. And listen, the Packers have been a
little over the map. One thing they do have is
a lot of explosive offensive weapons. And even with the
interceptions Jordan Love has thrown when he's played, they've thrown
up a lot of points they can really score. So

(10:01):
those are their corners they're they're gonna have to figure out,
like they're defensive coordinator Loves calling man to man defense,
Like they're playing a lot of teams with a lot
of offensive firepower. And it was not pretty. And listen,
you won against a team you talk about bad defense.
Seattle had no like no chance. Leonard Williams out, Byron

(10:24):
Murphy out. I mean their two best defensive linemen were
inactive and they're missing like several other starting linebackers. As
Troy said, when when Love goes out of the game
with a quad injury. It's like, as they were already
missing five starters and he's one of their better players.
Is like, what you better slice and dice them. Like,

(10:45):
I'm not trying to take anything away from Ben Johnson
and Ryan Grubb. Both guys were excellent, but that defense
that like, that's that's not playoff defense. That's you should
light him up like a Christmas tree. And Ben Johnson,
who is might be the best trick play caller in
the league right now. For a long period of time,
it was Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator version with the Pats.

(11:10):
He always has had a great knack for calling the
perfect trick play. Ben Johnson last week hooking ladder touchdown,
this week the touchdown pass to Jared Goff. Like, listen,
the dude is an awesome offensive coordinator and they needed
him because that defense. And this is the thing, like
I hate being critical after you just score forty two points,

(11:31):
but they easily could have given up forty five points.
I mean, the defense was that atrocious. And let's face it,
one of their touchdowns came on a drive from Seattle
early in the game where DKs dragging like seven guys
breaking a tackle, gets hit by the fourth defender and
the ballpops out and that led to a touchdown. So

(11:52):
it's like, it's just not gonna work. And it's partly
me fired up because I like this team a lot
coming into the season. I love watching their offense. But
one thing that is a non negotiable. It's a non negotiable.
You cannot compete in the playoffs, let alone make it
the Super Bowl or win one if your defense sucks.

(12:14):
Even in a league. You know this this year is
a little off because the offense has been bad just
around the league, but you can't play like that, not
that level of pass defense. And Seattle like, I'm giving
them a little bit of a pass on defense because
I like Mike McDonald a lot more than Aaron Glenn.
Like Mike McDonald. You could argue now that he's not

(12:34):
a defensive coordinator. It's as good as it gets. Like
and one thing I appreciated about him. You got Robert
sol and all these other defensive coordinators, these young guys
that get hired and they become a CEO. What's Mike
McDonald doing calling the fucking place? So props to that guy.
Looks fantastic for a guy that did not play college football.
Dude looks like he can be taking snaps in the league.
So Seattle impressed me that they are Another defense was atrocious.

(12:59):
But if you get those guys back, and I think
the big question mark is they play the Niners, not
this upcoming weekend, but on Thursday, so in whatever ten days,
and that's a massive, massive game. And if they don't
have those guys back, the Niners better take advantage of
it because you better get him now because if they
get those guys back, Leonard Williams one of the better

(13:21):
defensive line in the league. Byron Murphy was many people
thought it was a top ten pick. People thought Atlanta
was crazy for taking Penix over him, but that was
really really entertaining. There's a reason offensive coordinators in the
NFL make a lot of money. And Ryan Grubb Seattle's
offensive coordinator. Anytime a guy comes, a lot of guys
make the transition, but they start as position coaches and

(13:42):
they work their way up. This guy was a lifetime
college guy, went with the board to Alabama because he's
been his right hand guy forever. And then John Schneider
called never worked in the pros, and I was confident
because I'm confident in that kind of operation. Like, this
guy knows what he's doing. But you never working with
pros a lot different than college. You know, uncommon opponents,

(14:05):
you don't know the schemes of the defenses. And he
has hit the ground running. Look, he looks fantastic. I mean,
we've known about Ben Johnson, the dude's turning down head
coaching jobs, but you talked about a guy who throws
his hat in the ring right away, Like is Ryan
Grubb getting interviews? I mean, that's that's that's pretty impressive.

(14:26):
I mean, Gino's been good the last couple of years,
looked on a little different level in that game. So
thanks for entertaining us. Detroit, Seattle. Not much to talk
about in Tennessee and Miami. I'm probably one of the
rare guys who talks for a living who kind of
has been like the Mike McDaniel hypes a little much.
This is before the season started. He has so many

(14:49):
good friends in the media. Let's face it, everyone I
know in the NFL constantly makes fun of him, like
about the dress and the way everyone kind of slurps
him it's like he's now won a big game. Honestly,
his teams have crumbled down the stretch, but I'm gonna
take it easy on him tonight, Like I don't think
Bill Walsh could have won that game with Tyler Huntley.

(15:10):
And I've always said this about the Tua situation. I
understand Tua's value to their team. Now. I thought they
were gonna be like a seven win team this season,
but like Tua has made them credible these last couple
of years, and there's an economic value to that. In
my opinion, It's like eighty ninety million dollars, like Daniel
Jones contract, but it's like, well, what about his stats?

(15:33):
Well it's like, yeah, you can't beat anyone that's good,
and you've got no chance in the playoffs with him.
So if you're gonna give him a hundred and fiftye
hundred and sixty million dollars, you already know the endgame.
And it actually gets harder because once he starts making
that much money, it gets harder to have your team
as good. And they weren't gonna be as good this season,
but they got no shot without him. And that's where

(15:53):
I said, like that value of the Kirk Cousins deal,
the Derek Carr deal. There's value in that if you're
just in the mix. But you remove that guy and
they got other issues. Their defense is terrible. They're a joke.
And the thing that crossed my mind to night should
the Kandiasity Chiefs trade for him? And I was going

(16:14):
to open the show with that. Then I did a
little dig and talk to some birdies and then it's
like that is one hundred percent not happening, Like the
Chiefs aren't going back down that road. Uh, that that's
an X. They're not calling for a booty call, even
in a situation like this where they're they're you know,
they got worthy me, you and Travis Kelcey, And financially

(16:34):
it would it would be complicated. His cap hits eighteen
million dollars. Their cap space is under five million dollars.
Now you can change things around, But I've told that
it's not happening. Even though, like my first thought was
Scott he was plug and play. I bet it'd be sweet.
He's still really good. I do think Miami should trade him,
Like what the hell are you doing? Like, what's the
point of having him on the team In a situation

(16:55):
where thank god the Patriots are on your schedule, because
I don't think you beat any anybody. I think that
version removing to up with Tyler Huntley. They're the worst
team in the league. So if you're not playing the Patriots,
who ironically they play this week, any other team, think
about the other bad teams, the Jags, the Giants, Tennessee

(17:18):
with Tyler Huntley, I would take that other team to
win that game. And I don't think that's some crazy
hot take. Miami is that future. They were unwatchable tonight
and Tyreek Hill has such a unique skill set that
you can still hand them the ball off and get
him on reverses, but a huge part of his game
is down the field throws. He's completely useless, I mean

(17:38):
completely useless. And how often do you trade a guy
or trade for a guy who's an all time Hall
of Fame player and you trade a first round pick
for him and they traded more I think like first
second of fourth or something. But you could trade him
right now for a first round pick, like teams in
the mix would trade for him now. If the Chiefs

(17:58):
don't you know, fact in there, you'd have to say
the Ravens. Would the Bills sniff around? Would any team
in the NFL in the NFC be interested? You would,
would the Cowboys trading a first round pick for him?
I mean, I think you'd have to entertain that. So
I don't think any Cowboy fans would complain if they

(18:19):
did that. They've been drafting offensive lineman the last couple
of years. Figure out the finances later. Now, again, I
haven't looked at all the like you would have to
restructure money. It's complicated, or have them eat some of it.
But my point is he has no value on the
Miami Dolphins none. And let's face it, with this Tuas situation,
they no longer can view two as their starting quarterback.

(18:41):
You cannot do that. They are in the quarterback drafting mode.
That's not an opinion, that's just a fact at this point.
So the easiest way to rebuild your team is to
start selling off parts. And the one part you have
that still has a ton of value because of his talent,
because of his game changing ability, and because he's a

(19:02):
proven winner, is that guy and his value to you?
Now with Tyler Huntley or Skyler Thompson or Tim Boyle
or Mike fucking McDaniel taking snaps is basically zero zilch.
So if you can trade a first round pick for
him to me, I would trade him this week. I
wouldn't even wait, Like I wouldn't even wait till the

(19:23):
trading deadline. Like, trade him now, don't risk injury, don't
risk any situation of just you know, he starts saying
weird stuff. In fairness to him, I'd be frustrated too.
I would pull the trigger as soon as possible. I
would play some calls we are open for business. Do
I think they will? I don't have that much faith

(19:44):
and like what's going on there, but that is the
right business move, And honestly, I don't even really think
it's that debatable at this point in time. So I
have nothing to say on the Tennessee Titans, absolutely nothing.
I know. Will Levis sprained his shoulder, could have come
back in Maybe he could of. Brian Callahan couldn't wait,
could not wait to go to the bullpen. I don't

(20:06):
think we see Will Levis again that game though. Tyler
hunt Lely versus Will Levis slash Mason Rudolph is a
ten am West Coast kickoff where nobody watches beside the
fans of those two teams, and if you got one
TV with four boxes, it is in their seven games
going on. It is one number seven on the list.

(20:27):
So it's like, thank god, not a big Monday night
doubleheader guy at all. But if that game is gonna
just be in the background of another game that's really entertaining,
I can live with it. So find the Dolphins, pick
up those phones, start making some calls quick outhouse and
penhouse because we do it every week after the Monday

(20:49):
night games. Becomes a little harder this week when you
look at the penhouse. To me, there are only three
teams in the AFC. I've had the Chiefs in. I
said they were on scholarship. They are just in the
penthouse they own. They own a second property which they
lease out. Like they ain't getting kicked out. They could
have a bad week and lose. They are in all

(21:10):
season long until they lose. I'm sorry the Bills after
playing on Monday night going on the road to a
team that was must win, like, I'm not budgeting them either.
I will insert the Ravens because the last two weeks
they've won the first half by about fifty points. Against
the Cowboys and the Bills. They're good is as good

(21:32):
as anyone. The problem for them is like they're good
is actually better than everyone, But they're good only stays
in the regular season and then it disappears in the postseason.
But like the version of the Ravens we saw the
first half against the Cowboys and the majority of that game,
it's like, yes, that's an elite team. So it's like
the AFC is pretty easy. The NFC is a little
more difficult. Like I'm sorry, I can't put the Lions. Obviously,

(21:58):
Minnesota's in. They've been the story of the year. Sam
Darnolds look like Joe Montana, Kevin O'Connell's just and Brian
Flores are kicking everyone's ass on a weekly basis. If
they win this week in over, you know, International Seas
against the Jets, we're gonna start talking about this team, like,
are they like a fifteen to two team? I can't

(22:20):
put the Lions in with that defensive performance. I think
the forty nine ers are still really good, but you
don't get to go in when you blow a ten
point lead to the to the Rams playing with a
bunch of randos of Matt Stafford, Like, I'm just looking
around the NFC, it's like Cowboys, No Eagles. Definitely know.
I can't quite put Washington in, though they are If

(22:42):
you go to the Commanders Twitter or Instagram and watch
the in game dan Quinn giving the ball to Cliff
the game ball, they got some good vibes going on there.
I don't think they're teams talented enough. Their defense isn't
that good, and we'll see if their offensive line can
hold up. But they're a vibe right now. They're a vibe.

(23:03):
They've gone from like, yeah, this quarterback's kind of fun
to who are the Commander's playing this week? So the South, like,
I can't put the Bucks in. Big Night for the Bucks.
You beat Atlanta, your four and one take you pretty seriously.
Obviously New Orleans has come back to earth. So the NFC,
the NFC is off. The NFC is just off in

(23:26):
the outhouse. Obviously, Jacksonville, you know, Cincinnati wins. Carolina won
a couple of weeks ago, and Carolina has actually been
much more credible with Andy Dalton. They're not some joke.
I have to insert Miami like, my that's a that
is a dog trash team. That is terrible. I mean
that that is, that is an unwatchable product. Tennessee essentially

(23:51):
kicked your ass. They were in it. But now that
you remove Will Levis, they still stink. But they're way
better than you. They just played you on the road,
So I'm gonna remove them. Insert Miami, who is just awful,
and them versus the Pats, who are also awful and
easily in this list or you know, on this list.

(24:12):
That is a game I wouldn't wish upon my worst
enemy forced to watch in jail. So anyone that watches
that game, props to you. I will follow it on
an app or something. But that is that's a bad, bad,
bad football game. The thing with Jacksonville, like I watched
Jacksonville this morning against Houston, watched them a couple times

(24:34):
throughout the season. They're zero and four and they're probably
headed toward not many wins, but they are dramatically better
than like Miami in the Pats. But you're owing four,
your coach is getting testy with the with the old media.
You go in the outhouse with Miami in the in
the Pats. But I think we'd all agree if you
just watch Jacksonville play, they are better than Miami and

(24:57):
New England. Before we get out of here, two guys. One,
I was born in the eighties, so by I was
born in nineteen eighty four, my birthdays right around the
corner being a big four to zero and became a
huge sports fan as you come into your own in
the nineties, and I say this all the time about
the NBA. What kind of just makes me sad now

(25:19):
about the NBA the way it is with no one
playing and the diminished viewership and all the negativity around it.
When I grew up in anyone that watched the Last Dance,
I don't think people can comprehend any young person how
big Michael Jordan was in the nineties. The NBA was
on the same level. At the time baseball was huge
as well. In the NFL. It was a power broker

(25:41):
sport and Michael was the king Alpha. But the next
like twenty guys, the best players in the league were
really really famous, and kids all over the country owned
all sorts of jerseys and shorts of different teams, and
from Charles Barkley to a chem Elaija Won to Shaquille
O'Neal to name it. Now, I wouldn't put this guy

(26:02):
on the level in terms of as a player, like
I wouldn't. He wouldn't be a top ten player I'd
pick from the nineties. But he was a really famous
player associated in that era. I think many would consider
him the best defensive big man of the time. And
I saw Charles Barkley today on Instagram had a very
touching post about to ken Ba Mutumbo Mutumbo. To kem

(26:25):
Ba Mutumba was just really really famous. And obviously when
he made the block and he'd wag the finger and
everyone from you know that, I fall on Instagram. That's
an NBA player of that era, shack to Charles Barkley,
to you name it. They all talk about the human
being and not the player. And he's a Hall of
Fame player, but that sucks. I mean, to die at

(26:48):
fifty six years old, you know, it's one thing. Pete Rose,
who will mention next? I mean, guy was in his eighties,
lived a full life. You get cut short at fifty six.
I mean, I'm sixteen years away from that. She's just
not very old. And luckily, you know, I think Charles
Barkley said, like the world got worse today, and you know,

(27:10):
I don't think Charles is one to mince words on
stuff like that. This guy he's known for probably thirty
five forty years. So just a sad, sad day losing
to Kem Bamutumbo. And then Pete Rose, who I would say, listen,
I never watched him play before my time. I obviously
never watched him manage. She was already kicked out of baseball.
But I would say of people that, like, you know,

(27:32):
OJ committed murder, so he's it's hard to top that.
But I would put Pete Rose in my youth as
the most polarizing discussion because baseball used to drive sports talk,
and whether or not he should be in the Hall
of Fame. Obviously as a player, he's had no doubt
about it, sure first ballot, one of the all time greats.

(27:55):
And he has a documentary that I think he was
a big part of the production, and I think it's
on Showtime. I watched it was really good and it
really puts into perspective just how great his teams were
in the seventies on Cincinnati. His story about finally admitting
to gambling on baseball. Obviously, we're a lot more numb
to gambling but one rule that's never going to change

(28:18):
is you're not going to be allowed to bet on
your sport. And I think a lot of people thought
that he bet on his team, But I would say
Pete Rose is on the short list of most famous
baseball players of all time. I think it's hard to top.
I don't know, Babe Ruth, but when you factor in
the on the field and off the field, I think

(28:40):
you could make the argument that Pete Rose is easily
one of the five most famous baseball players of all time.
And I also think when you factor in when he
played baseball, it was way bigger than the NFL. It
was bigger. I mean, the NBA wasn't even that big
in the seventies. It was by far the most important

(29:00):
thing in this country. And he was, arguably, on given seasons,
I don't know, the most valuable player, one of, if
not the best player on his own team, which was
full of all time great players. And the way that
it all happened, it's just kind of a sad, sad story.
But you know, I think the one thing that has

(29:21):
never changed what Charlie Hustle stood for is just playing hard.
And I still think in life, whether you're a young athlete,
whether you know from a work ethic standpoint of just
working really hard, just doing something full out. I don't
know if that will ever change. And I know technology

(29:41):
in the world is changing even as we speak, but
I still think the most successful people in every field
have a similar mindset to Pete Rose in which the
way he played baseball. So it's just just a sad
day in the sports world losing to Kembe Mutombo and
Pete I mean two obviously I would say pullar opposite

(30:04):
the way they're discussed, but two legendary sports names I
know in my life for sports is I don't know,
been the driving force of my life. Little mailbag time

(30:25):
at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram and uh,
you guys know the Drill Middlecoff mailbag fire in those dms.
Get your question answered here on the show. We got
a lot to answer recording this part before the double
header on Monday night, another back to back double headers.
But before we dive into your mail bag questions, I

(30:48):
did want to hit on something that I was actually
watching the game when Brady was asked about the situation.
I guess Baker Mayfield has in on a podcast Let's
Just Go essentially Kevin Burkhardt during the broadcast of the
Eagles and Bucks, where Brady was very complimentary of Baker
throughout the game because how could he not be. Baker

(31:10):
looked awesome, I mean, was just throwing dots, moving around
and played well. But about some comments that he made
on a podcast kind of in relation to Tom, and honestly,
I think in a short career, but one of Tom's
great moments so far. In the booth, our.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Guy here said quote, they wanted me to come in,
be myself, bring the joy back to football for guys.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Who weren't having as much fun.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
It's funny because you've made this environ room for me
very stressful up here in the booth. So I understand
where he's coming from.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Your field was stress No, well, I was gonna say,
I thought stressful was not having Super Bowl rings. So
there was a mindset of a champion that I took
to work every day.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
This wasn't daycare.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
If I wanted to have fun, I was gonna go
to Disneyland with my kids.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, So you know, as you were saying, go ahead,
that's you feel like I feel like there's more in.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
There to say, there's a way to approach this game. Yeah,
and that's that with the with the right mindset and
try to push each other outside of our comfort zone.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
And great teammates do that. You come in.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I have someone like Gronkowska, I have someone like Evans.
There's high expectations for us. We got to make sure
we go out there and deliver.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
The competitive juice is still flowing, still in there. I
love no apologies. One thing I will say is when
you get into business with certain people. I read an
article recently on the CEO. I didn't read an article.
I heard a guy that read an article on a podcast,
on a business podcast talking about it, and they had
all these anonymous sources from Navidia and basically the guy

(32:44):
that runs the video that's worth you know, Jeff Bezos money.
At this point in time, it's a very very tough environment.
It's a very very difficult place to work. It is
not necessarily a happy place. But I think like well
over half their employees or multimillionaires, and like twenty five
percent are worth like twenty plus million dollars. So like,

(33:06):
when you get into business with certain people and in sports,
I would put Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady.
It's not a comfortable environment. When I worked in football
with Howie and Andy, it's not like a comfortable environment
on a daily basis. Certain places are just not smiles,

(33:28):
rainbows and everyone's having a fun time twenty four seven,
three sixty five. Now, obviously there are some successful businesses
that can do that, but I would say football parallels
a lot of the business world, Like it's pretty intense,
and Tom would fall under the category of being the
most intense. And it's probably not the easiest place to

(33:50):
work because his standards are so high, and let's face it,
his standards were even higher than the coaching staff. Right,
it doesn't get any higher than what Tom Brady brings
to the table. We have had books, documentaries, you name it.
On the Belichick Brady era, like that was really really intense.

(34:13):
And it worked for the Bucks because the franchise was
kind of a joke for the last decade plus before
he showed up. Boom, Super Bowl, Boom, playoffs, and even
his last year, which wasn't great, they hosted a playoff game.
Now they got blasted by the Cowboys, but it still happened,
and I think Baker being asked about this, or Baker

(34:33):
bringing this up like I don't really hold like look
at him any different, because I would imagine he was
told one it's impossible to replace Tom Brady. You can't
bring in someone and tell them to act like that
and have it not crumble at your feet, because no
one can do that. He's a one of one. Well,

(34:55):
I mean Peyton Manning, but it's like no one that
was available to the Bucks could have brought that intensity
and that craziness and just that maniacal drive and focus
to the Buccaneers. So I would imagine Jason Light and
Todd Bowles and those guys talked to Baker of like, listen,
we're looking for you to bring you know, be yourself

(35:18):
and just be a positive influence on the locker room guys,
you know, pretty worn out from Tom. Now. It worked
now the last year, like when Tom was forty five,
like he was showing his age a little bit, not
his arm strength, but didn't want to get hit. Was
always grouchy, like it's like it's one thing when you're
winning big. It was like the Patriots. Can you imagine

(35:39):
a more miserable place the last three or four years. Listen,
if you're gonna pay people not that much money, players, coaches,
and staff, and you're gonna win super bowls, people can
get on board and win super Bowl after super Bowl.
But when you start not sniffing the playoffs, you talk
about a place where everyone's ready to jump off a bridge. Right,
you can act like you can't in the video one's

(36:00):
becoming millionaires go to companies that aren't successful. When no
one's making money, you talk about toxic environment. Hell I
worked at a radio station, incredibly toxic environment. Everyone was miserable,
everyone hated each other. You know, it's just I would
imagine a lot of people listening have been to those,
you know, in those type situations professionally. But even if
people are miserable and everyone's having success, whether that be

(36:23):
money or in football that be winning, people just kind
of keep their mouth shut. And when you don't win
at a high level, people start, you know, we call
it in football locker room lawyers, right, the people bitching
and moaning around the water cooler. People nowadays, with this
modern err it's probably more you know, off the zoom
record talking some shit. The thing that stood out to

(36:46):
me about that moment is like, Tom, I want a
little more of this talk a little shit, like bring
a little red ass, Like that's kind of who you
are in the football world, you know, if you're not
going to be mister jokester, which if that's not your
natural personality on camera, that's fine, But like I kind
of like that dropping. This ain't daycare. If I wanted fun,

(37:07):
I'd go to Disneyland. But that's what I want. That's
what I want out of Tom. And I know this
was laid up on a silver platter with the comments,
but I hope we get some more of that. Like
you're Tom Brady. No one has what you have. You
can say things that no one else can say. There
is no rebuttal. The Ken Baby Matumbo just passed away today,

(37:31):
rip legendary ninety sports figure, and I was just I
just searched his name on Twitter and saw just some
incredible clips of him and Michael Jordan at All Star
Games and Michael just talking mad shit about how he
dunked on him to Ken Bay said he never did,
and it was just like, when Michael comes at you,
what are you gonna say? When Tiger comes at you.

(37:53):
What are you gonna say when Kobe's coming at you?
Like Tom's in rare air, and some of these broadcasters,
it's like, who am I listening to right now? You know,
and listen, they're NFL players, They've made money, they accomplished
college players. Nobody sniffs this guy. And I just hope
he throws some more just heaters, you know, he just

(38:14):
he starts throwing some blows a little bit. It's like
it's it's a pretty easy one for him, and he
can do it in kind of a light way. And
I thought that was that was perfect, and I want
more of that from old Thomas Brady on the broadcast.
So and here's the thing. I'll give him credit, like
it's not like he took it that personal. He was
very positive, interviewed Baker after the game. I enjoyed it.

(38:38):
So I hopefully we get more of that overall, kind
of like a story that I mean, who cares? I mean,
I would imagine on all the morning you know, talking
head shows screaming at each other, it's like, Baker, this
guy doesn't want the heat. The guys. He was just
talking on a podcast of probably reiterating what he was
told and he's been awesome for them. Question for the mail,

(39:01):
did the Eagles throw the game yesterday? Not in the
sense of trying to lose, but they have a bye
week next week. They sat everyone that was slightly dinged up.
Should US Eagles fans be concerned? Well, some of those
guys right didn't pass concussion protocol. Lane Johnson, right, did

(39:21):
not pass concussion protocol DeVante Smith. Maybe I'm incorrect on this.
These guys were not available to play. I think we
can look at it two ways. I definitely one million
percent did not throw that game. You know, I know
that's not what you're asking, but they wanted to win
when they showed up to play. And when you have

(39:42):
the players they have, I mean the individuals they have,
and they're paying and they've invested to do on the
defensive line Saquon Barkley, Dallas Goddard, the offensive line, and
your quarterback is making forty five million dollars. I'm sorry.
The expectation is to win and it was super hot
and humid and difficult, and you're playing a good team.

(40:05):
That team just kicked your ass in a playoff game,
I mean embarrassed you. What was the final score thirty
two to nine. Brandon Graham was there, Jordan Davis was there,
Jalen Carter was there, right, I mean, Jalen Hirsch was there.
Dallas Goddard was there. That game should have really, really,

(40:25):
Sirianni it was there, should have meant something to the group,
and that one's hard to shake. Man. I would be concerned,
and I think it's hard to overcome weirdness with your
head coach. Let's face it. I mean this constantly going
for it, even if the owner is telling him to
do it. Like the players aren't in on the privy

(40:46):
to those conversations. They have to be thinking at times
like can't we just kick a field goal? Can't we
just take some points? We're paying our kicker decent amount
of money. Is a good player, and the quarterback is
pretty concerning because you talk he's just a roller coaster player.
Among forty nine er fans, it seems there's a feeling
that this might be the last year as a Super

(41:07):
Bowl contender, given that perty has emerged as a top
ten five question mark quarterback in the NFL. He's been
awesome this year. Bruck Purty looks fantastic, and his salary
will go up forty forty X. Well, the way on
the salary cap right his salary cap hit right now
is like a million bucks. Even if he signs a

(41:27):
two hundred million dollar contract, his cap hit next year
would be like ten million dollars. So next year like
it's impact on the roster over the next couple of
years won't be forty X. The JED will be paying
him forty to fifty X, actually more because he'll get
like a seventy five million dollars signing bonus. But the
impact on roster building is not as extreme as the

(41:49):
actual numbers because the way that they fudged the contract. However,
I don't see any way that Shanahan, Purdy, and Lynch
are with this organization. I have optimism that they will
still be contenders, especially with Lynch nailing late round picks consistently, Pooney,
leonor Purdy being recent examples. I think I've said it

(42:10):
before and I'll say it again, Like Kyle Shanahan's is
a high end coach. If you have a high end
coach and you have a good quarterback, your team should
always be good. Now, are they leading in the Super Bowl? Good?
Not saying that, but like you should be consistently really good.

(42:30):
I mean, it's bottom line, every year, every fan should
expect double digit wins in the playoffs. You're not gonna
win the division every year because I mean, clearly mcveigh's
a high end coach. The card's got a long way
to go. But we'll find out a lot more about
Seattle these you know. I mean the forty nine Ers
play them on that Thursday night game. My guess is

(42:52):
I mean, maybe I'll sound like an idiot, but I
would guess the Lions beat them on Monday Night. But
even if they don't like Seattle, Mike McDonald like they
had a lot of players, but their quarterbacks of a
high end bridge guy. The number one thing Seattle fans
ask is like, how do we get a young quarterback?
So when I look at the forty nine Ers, it's like,

(43:12):
you have one of the best coach in the league.
You should always be good. It's your job to figure
this out. Like they're in the business of fielding a
good team every year. Are they gonna go one through
fifteen as good as they've been? Of course not. But
then it's on them. Like you said, the hit picks
make moves you know that they waffled on the Brandon

(43:34):
Nyuk situation through a couple of weeks. I wonder if
they think, like, gosh, we have just traded him before
the draft with Juwan Jennings emerging. Now Kittle's getting up
there in age like you want Brandon Nyuk in years
to come. But who's to say, how's Ricky Pearsol going
to look? And Deebo's value to them is like he
can just play running back right in the sense of

(43:56):
like Christian McCaffrey. I think rap Sheet reported he might
not be back till November. What I don't understand. I'm
not a medical doctor, but I followed sports long enough.
If you have an achilles injury, to me, I've always
thought of it like a tire that like, once the
tire starts wearing down, it's eventually gonna go. And I
don't know what you can do to strengthen the achilles

(44:19):
to avoid popping it, because most guys that have like
achilles soreness, and I think we can use two niners
as example. Sherman had that in Seattle, his achilles popped.
Dra Greenlaw had that last year during the season, his
achilles popped and if his achilles is eventually going to pop,

(44:40):
it's obviously better to have it done. The sooner the better.
Now he is going to refuse, like the other thing
they could do is just cut it and redo it.
Like he's not gonna do that. But I think it
will be pretty devastating if he comes back late in
the season and the achilles goes and instead of just
getting this out of the way in September, it goes
into because that's a three month swing for reab for

(45:04):
a guy that you just paid money to. Now, who knows.
Maybe I'm way off on this, but like they're pretty
pot committed to McCaffrey. They've given him a lot of money,
which is not a crazy thing to do if he's
on the field, But right now he's got to be
one of the biggest question marks in the league. Longtime
listener dropping my first ever mail bag question. This from Brian,

(45:26):
also a Philly fan from Bakersfield, California. No, Bakersfield, Well,
do you put the blame on the injuries coaching for
the egg the Eagles laid yesterday? I know Lane Johnson,
AJ Brown, DeVante Smith were out wanted your thoughts. I
just think you're allowed to lose in the NFL. This

(45:47):
sport is really hard, right, losing to the Bucks on
the road in one hundred degree humidity by a field
goal or by a five minute drive at the end
of the game they win on a touchdown. That's not
that crazy. The team that won the division last year.
We're only through four weeks, but they got the best
record in the division now, and if they were to

(46:08):
beat Atlanta on Thursday night, they will have commanding control.
And my Saints bet we're gonna have to start digging
ourselves out of the hole. But you can't be down
twenty one nothing in the first quarter. And listen, I
supported this. I thought it was a good move. But
they hired Vic Fangio. And let's face it, and you

(46:29):
can say, and I've read this a lot, like it
takes a year for guys to figure it out, does it.
I saw Vic Fangio show up to the forty nine
ers in twenty eleven and his defense was immediately awesome.
Does the personnel fit him?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Like?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Bryce hoff is not a Vic Fangio guy. He likes
his edges to be able to hold up against the run.
Like he's not looking for just like these four to
three pass rushers that do nothing in run defense. And
you saw yesterday like I didn't chart it, but it
felt like the Bucks were consistently hitting sweeps and getting

(47:04):
to the edges like they don't think they can hold
the point. So I if your defense isn't great, like
we kind of know where Jalen Hurts is now twenty
twenty two, a little bit of an outlier, still a
good player, but like he's not near a top five quarterback,
so you need the weapons there to help him out.
Saquan has been unreal and you need a good defense

(47:27):
if their defense is gonna be bad. This Eagles team
has a lot of issues. I mean it really does.
It really does. Teams are missing guys all over the league.
The Chiefs just found a way to win seventeen to
ten without their starting running back. Their star tight end
is looks like me out there right now, even though
he played a pretty good game. Mahomes took out their

(47:49):
best wide receiver, John Lynch style accidentally but probably ruined
a season. And it's like we're just gonna win this
thing on defense, as they do all the time, and
the Eagles can't really play like that. Because their defense's
getting shredded against the Packers, just got shredded that night,
or shredded yesterday against Tampa, got shredded when it mattered

(48:11):
the most against Atlanta. I would be pretty concerned. A
lot of Eagles questions here, and I get it because,
like listen, we can argue till we're blue in the
face about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, Like you guys
know where I have him. Obviously, some of you think

(48:31):
I'm wrong about having him above Lamar. I had this
thought last night watching that game, eating some popcorn after
I ate some barbecue. I ate a lot of food yesterday.
I was like, can you imagine being a GM of
another team who does not have Mahomes or one of
these young ascending quarterbacks and be paying your quarterback a

(48:51):
boatload of money? Right? Like the Dolphins, the Jags, the Eagles.
You just go around the Giants, all these teams and
watch that and go like, how are we supposed to
compete with that? Obviously, the teams in the AFC. You know,
I'm paying DeShawn Watson two hundred and thirty million dollars
and I watch that like those guys are in a

(49:14):
different world than my guy, I mean, a different stratosphere.
How am I supposed to compete with that? I got
no shot at least if you're the Bengals or the Chargers,
you go listen, when we keep my guy healthy. We
think we can't, but there are so many other teams

(49:35):
paying their quarterback a lot of money that just goes.
We'll just wave the white flag when we play you,
cause your guy is just in a completely different tier
than ours, Like what they have in their bag. It
ain't even a fair fight. So and I think the
Eagles gotta be thinking that right now. Like Baker Mayfield,

(49:56):
the totality of his contract is so much less money
than Jalen Hurts with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers right now,
of how he picked up the phone and called Jason
Light straight up. Baker Mayfield for Jalen Hurts, Jason Light
wouldn't even take a meeting, would not take a meeting.
She would say, yeah, not in to hang up. Think

(50:17):
about that. Imagine if I would have told you that
after twenty twenty two. People often say, like sometimes I'll
just scroll through some comments and see middle Coff, you're
such a flip flopper. Your opinion's always changing. Well, yeah,
football is stock market. Things change, You see things and
you change your opinion. I was really impressed with Jalen

(50:39):
Hurts two years ago. This isn't politics. My morals and
you know, life standards of the way I view life
have not changed. And I would say twenty five years
kind of embedded in me and fifteen years old and
have been pretty consistent. If I was a politician, I
wouldn't be flip flopping on much. But when it comes
to the stock market or talking about this in football,

(51:01):
my opinion change all the time. Like that's how would
they not? If you watch Baker Mayfield with the Carolina Panthers.
I remember watching against the forty nine ers two years
ago when Matt Rules last year and thinking like, is
this guy gonna be in the league? How could you
not have had that thought? Besides, like his family members
that had unwavering belief. And then a couple of years

(51:24):
later you watch him yesterday and kind of what he's becoming.
You know, God, this guy's good because being good and
playing at a high level in sports, like being a
star in football, is about doing it, not just doing
it once, about doing it over and over. And over again,
like constantly being good, and a lot of guys are

(51:47):
just kind of roller coasters, and when you pay roller coasters,
you find yourself in compromise situations fast and listen. You
could argue Baker Mayfield is not mister consistent, but they're
not like these other guys. So like, look at the
guys that got paid recently, Jalen Hurts obviously, the guys
this summer in Tua and Trevor Lawrence Tampa. There's no

(52:13):
amount of money you could pay Jason like to even
pre concussion Baker Mayfield for Tua, Tongua, Baylola now a
couple of years ago. Obviously you would rather have Trevor Lawrence.
On the hope of Trevor Lawrence. But I just threw
that game on at the gym and it's like, God,
he misses some throws. It's like Jesus, I just don't

(52:36):
get any Like, Wow, I don't get any God, that
was just a bunch of dots on that drive for
a touchdown. Just constantly missing stuff. It's like we always
make us the coaching. They called a quarterback draw on
fourth and one at the goal line. Okay, we can nip,
but They're just constant throws, and Baker just makes them,

(52:57):
doesn't make them all the time. No one's comparing him
to Lamar, Josh Allen or Mahomes or Brady or Manning
or Rogers in his prime, but holy shit, he's better
than all these other guys. If I had a team
and all things were eqal my roster was like the
Eagles or the Bucks or the Niners or the Lions
or whoever. Anyone listening, anyone listening, would you take a

(53:20):
factoring in the contract Baker Mayfield or Jalen Hurts. So
we can nitpick and get into all this stuff about
the Eagles, like that's a major problem for them obviously.
Like we just talked about the defense, but like, is
there quarterback a high end guy? It's where I defend
Dak all the time. Like that's just been pretty good
for a long time. Is he ever gonna be the

(53:41):
top five guy? Of course not, but like every single
year you can chalk him somewhere between like eight to ten. Yeah,
he might blow in the playoffs, but like, I know
what I'm gonna get for the majority of the time, Jalen,
Like series is a series. I got no clue and
let's face, if he plays his best one, he runs
around and he's you know, he's ran around a little

(54:03):
bit more this year than he has in last year.
But in his heart of hearts, like he just wants
to be a pocket quarterback. And if I'm Todd bowleser
guy playing him, fuck yeah, become a top pocket quarterback.
The other thing is when I pay you big money,
Like obviously AJ Brown's on the team for a reason,
he's awesome, but like, what if he's not there? Can

(54:24):
you just carry me for a month? The answers, no, cannot.
So there is a question is it time to cut dies?
With Sirianni and Hurts? And I told Colin this yesterday
when he asked me, would you want to be the
head coach of the Jacks? Would you want to be
the head coach of the Eagles. It's like I didn't

(54:47):
even hesitate the Eagles if I'm Bill Belichick, like I'm
a bright lights guy. Like the Jags feel like a
college team that wouldn't even be a top five cut
team in their own regent, Like think about the region
in which they play in, where would you rank them?
Georgia football is bigger Alabama football is bigger. LSU football

(55:09):
is bigger. The Saints are definitely bigger. The Falcons are bigger.
They're not the biggest NFL team in their own state.
The Dolphins are bigger. And the Bucks, you know, with
Gruden and then Brady, and these last couple of years
with Baker have just been more important. If the Jags
disappeared tomorrow and we just inserted some other team and

(55:32):
no one would notice. I'm not trying to be a
dick like this. It's not personal about me. I've been
in Jacksonville couple times, had a good time when I
went there for work. But I just think the franchise
is a joke now when it comes to the Eagles,
like Listen, they're a well run franchise, doesn't mean they
don't make mistakes. And now they're in this Sirianni situation

(55:55):
where he feels like I was asked this question last week. Listen,
McCarthy might get fired. I just saw today Lawrence Liz
Frank he's out for who knows a long time. Parsons
was on a scooter in a boot. You know it's now.
They probably don't want to put any weight, but I

(56:17):
think safe to say we're gonna he's gonna miss it
many games, whether that's two or four, but it ain't.
It ain't gonna be one. McCarthy might get fired. But
here's what I know about Mike McCarthy. He can rattle
off twelve win seasons and call my plays and coach
the quarterback. Sirianni cannot coach the quarterback and cannot call plays,

(56:38):
and we watch his decision making. It feels like what
is going on now because he has talented players on
the roster which he has nothing to do with. Like
he's won some games, but man, I mean I I
think he's much closer to Brandon Staley with just some

(57:00):
more wins. I really do. And I think that the
way this is looking right now, I think he's in
major trouble. And he was in trouble coming into the
season because making the playoffs wouldn't have been it. He
made the playoffs and lost again in the first round,
like he would be gone. I think the only way
he keeps his job is like NFC Championship game and

(57:22):
look good in that game. So I can't help but
feel the Jalen just isn't that good. He shouldn't have
been paid and I'm kind of and if I'm being honest,
Kelsey held his hand. That's the other problem is like
it's probably it's import only Jason and the coaching staff knows. Like,

(57:46):
you know, losing Fletcher Coxe on defense is a loss,
but he was an aging player, but his veteran leadership
mattered a lot. Kelsey was all that but still playing
at an elite level and he made all the calls.
So it's like, how am I supposed to? I heard

(58:07):
Schlareth go on this rant about who is the player? Oh,
Sam Donald? And when Sam Donald was drafted to the
New York Jets, Adam Gase was his coach, that they
were running the Peyton Manning offense, and Shlareth was like,
does everyone realize that there's been one human in the

(58:29):
history of the sport that's ran that offense. That's why
we call it the Peyton Manning offense. Where other people
have ran, whether it's you know, the Shanahan Cruz scheme,
whether it's the West Coast offense, you know, the Patriot offense,
which is pretty complicated. While it doesn't work outside of

(58:49):
New England. We saw Matt Castle and Jimmy Garoppolo in
mac Jones a year like other people have run the offense.
Asking him to do Peyton Manning stuff was was moronic
and obviously failed miserably. But when you look, I guess
where I was ran and raven about this is you

(59:10):
could like manipulate the offense because you had this genius
center who could do like half the stuff that most
quarterbacks have to do. He's just not very good in
the pocket. He just really isn't he doesn't feel comfortable.
I don't know if he doesn't see it well, he
doesn't throw a great ball. I'm not just trying to
like kick him when he's down. But last year down

(59:33):
the stretch he looked terrible, and to me, this year
he had some moments. I thought he played decently well
in the Atlanta game because he was running like because
he was running look like Lamar. What makes him so
dynamic is when he's on. This is what pissed me
off about that AFC Championship game is he's a really
good thrower. Like you watch Jayden Daniels and you go, wait,

(59:56):
this guy's a runner two because in the pocket he
could dominate. He's just throwing dots and dimes and just
seam routes and out routes. It's like, this is awesome,
and then at any moment you can take off no,
and he's learned a slide. But it's like, Jalen can't
really do that. I don't blame them for paying him

(01:00:17):
because what we're supposed to do coming off Super Bowl
where he outplayed Mahomes, Like, maybe it's just an all
time outlier season. West Coast guy living in KC for
most of my life as a Chiefs fan, I've been

(01:00:39):
very frustrated with the lack of offensive offensive efficiency over
the last year and four games. Well, you did last year,
you won the Super Bowl, and this year you're four
to zero. But listen, you know what Apple and Amazon
they I guess they have down quarters too, even when

(01:00:59):
they're making historic amounts of money. I've thought about this
and I've come to the conclusion that I came to
over the last year and four games that Matt Naggy
has been the OC and it hasn't been the same.
Do you think this offense is the reason why Mahomes
hasn't been the same player since Eric the Enemy left
and Matt Naggy took over. I find it hard to

(01:01:20):
believe Mahomes just woke up one day and started looking
like second year Zach Wilson. Their offensive players were way
better five years ago. I mean they had Tyreek Hill,
so you removed Tyreek Hill and their offensive line, like
they benched the the second rounder yesterday the other dude started,

(01:01:42):
so their offensive line has been in flux. They're starting
running back broke his leg. Their best ful receiver where
she Rice is good, is not playing, so they're depending
on worthy of rookie thirty five year old Kelsey who
kind of saves himself for the end of the season,
and left tackle position. That is just in question, like

(01:02:03):
do you watch, Like what else could they be doing?
That's my question, Like what else could they be doing?
I've seen Eric be enemy Leaf been pretty embarrassing for
him in Washington last year was really bad and at
UCLA is even worse. Now. Listen, I'm friends with Naggie.
I'm not acting like Matt Naggie's Bill Walsh or Andy
Reid here, But if Andy Reid thought it was a problem,

(01:02:26):
he would just take over, like if he felt like
they were leaving a lot of points out there. The
other thing is and this happened with when Eric was there,
and this happens now. It's like Mahomes does throw some
bad picks sometimes, you know, deep down at his core,
like he's got a little far of in him. And
they just don't have the offensive talent right now because

(01:02:49):
they've invested in the defense and they're winning. So I
I saw a story today that they were going to
be sniffing around some of these wide receivers. If they
could train for a Marii Cooper, that would make a
lot of sense. I got a question for the bag.
I have a gambling take that I wanted your opinion

(01:03:09):
on live betting. The Chiefs as an underdog might be
the best bet in football. It has worked the past
two Super Bowls and now three of the four games
this season. I told my buddies that the Chiefs at
plus two and a half is the equivalent to to
a player eleven versus if you're blackjack player with showing

(01:03:31):
eleven versus dealer six. I guess my question is do
you agree? Well, basically, so you're getting them as dogs
when they when they're down in a game. So if
they're down seven, ten to nothing, and you can get
them at plus one point fifty or like you said,
plus four. The Bills were like that against the Arizona
Cardinals Week one. You get them at like plus one

(01:03:51):
seventy five when they were down seventeen to three. It's
gonna backfire in some of these games. It's not always
gonna work. Like is this team more likely to go
how many games are there in the season, So if
you get seventeen, thirteen and four or eleven and six,

(01:04:13):
and I'd say they feel more likely to win eleven
or twelve than thirteen or fourteen, just because you know
it's tough on their offense and eventually, like you're gonna
have a couple of defensive injuries, You're just gonna have
some bad games on defense, and that's part of football.
So it's gonna work a decent amount of time during
the season, assuming that they give up early leads and

(01:04:35):
you can live bet them right away. But as someone
who is live bet for a long time, sometimes it
bites you in the ass. Sometimes it bites you in
the as hard because when you hammer someone down ten
to nothing and then you look up and the halftime
scores twenty four to three, it sucks. So it's exhilarating
doing a live bet and listen, you can never go

(01:04:57):
wrong live betting Mahomes and Andy Reid. But you know
you're so you're seventy five percent this year you could
have a two game stretch where it blows up in
your face twice. I have to look at there. I
don't know who they're who they're playing the next couple
of weeks. Gotta gotta getting a lot of of Eagles people.

(01:05:20):
It's infuriating watching our defense. Outside of the Super Bowl
year with Gannon, when our d line had a historic
sack numbers, this defense consistently gets shredded, especially in the air.
Why does it feel like our corners give receivers a
ten yard cushion on every play? I know Fangio takes
a bend but don't break approach, but we still give

(01:05:41):
up big plays. And it feels like we've had this
issue for long as I can remember. Is an organizational
philosophy or a defensive strategy? Well, I think there's a
defensive strategy for Vic. Not a big blitzer. He's gonna
be very dependent on his front guys making make a noise,
And it was guys aren't getting pressure? You you're in

(01:06:02):
trouble now. One touchdown over the rookie, you know that's
I would take Mitchell on my team right now. He
has got a chance to be a really, really good corner.
But I'm sorry, like Mike Evans on a rookie, I'm
taking Mike Evans right So it's you're just gonna have
tip your hat on that one. You know is Slagh

(01:06:22):
Is he still a high end player of the answer
is no linebacking play I think is more than questionable.
And if you if your defensive line is just gonna underachieve,
you're just not gonna be as good. I know it's
still early in college football, but do you think Ryan Williams,
that's the seventeen year old player from Alabama that cut
the game wing touchdown, would be a first round pick

(01:06:44):
next year? And if yes, do you think players should
be draft eligible sooner? I would say him. I think
the Ohio State player. Ohio State has a true freshman
last name Smith. I think he had an incredible a
one handed touchdown. I think both guys would be lock.
I'm saying lock top twenty picks now when you're seventeen

(01:07:11):
years old, even for as awesome as he is. It
would be a challenge in the pros with the physicality,
but yes he would. Both guys as true freshman would
be first round picks. I think the NFL in the
business model is great. Let Ryan Williams become a superstar

(01:07:34):
in college, then when he gets to the pros everyone's
been talking about him for three years. The NBA is
a great example. They have no feeder system that matters anymore.
We don't watch college basketball like we once did, so
when guys get there. I was watching the NBA draft
because I'm a sucker for drafts. Hell, I watched the
baseball draft when I don't know anyone in your NBA draft,

(01:07:56):
And I'm not like you know Zach Lowe here, or
you know Bill Simmons or Rossillo. But I fall sports
pretty closely. And when your first ten picks are guys
I couldn't point out of a lineup beside like two guys,
you got problems. That's not the case with football because
in football, when you look at the top twenty picks,

(01:08:17):
they're all mainly coming from huge programs. They've been major
players for years at those programs. Quarterbacks, even if they transferred,
they've become stars. Like the NFL has the best thing
going with college football. They don't have to pay for it,
and they have this rule of three years, and for
most guys, I think it is fair because of the

(01:08:37):
physicality of the size of these guys. You know, in
basketball and baseball, it's not as physically demanding in terms
of like you take a seventeen eighteen year old defensive
lineman and put them in the pros, like you make
a huge jump. Listen, I when I was in college football,
we used to take pictures and you see it sometimes
online of like guys their freshman year or sophomore year,

(01:09:00):
guys their junior year. They just showed it at USC
when they were playing that LSU game, of just what
this offseason meant for a lot of their players, guys
going from two hundred and thirty pounds to two hundred
and sixty five pounds. So I think from a health standpoint,
it does have benefits, and I think from a business standpoint,

(01:09:21):
it's the best thing they got going. Let that sport,
which is the second biggest sport in America by a
wide margin, because the NFL is in first by several laps.
College football is second right now. Let them create stars,
and they're doing it and it's working perfectly. So I
would never advocate changing that, and I'm glad that it

(01:09:42):
is the way it is. I'm a religious listener and
fan of yours from the very start JK was in early.
I've worked in hedge funds my entire career. Part of
being a good investor is recognizing good ideas in other people.
Your best idea over all these years was bet on
Kaylan de Boor. You gave simple, articulate history on him

(01:10:05):
before the Washington Texas game last year. He's just a
winner wherever he goes. The simplest ideas are often the
best ideas. See I mean, the fucking hedge fun guy
thinks I'm a genius. I never bet on sports until
this year. I open up a DraftKings account to bet
on the big, to bet big on Alabama to win
the Natty, because Kaylan wins wherever he goes. God this guy,

(01:10:26):
heck yeah, did you follow your own advice and bet
on Kaylan? What's your take on Bama? I loved him,
let's rewind obviously, fres of State guy. So I've been
following his career and that's how I really knew about
him is when he was the offensive coordinator there and
then he became the head coach. But at Washington, when

(01:10:47):
I saw what he did by year two, it was like, God,
this is this is insane. I didn't not that I
wasn't bullish at Alabama, but he gets there transfer Portal,
he loses OC. Listen, if he would have gone to
Alabama this year and gone ten and two like that

(01:11:10):
would have been damn. That would have been a really
good start. Like I don't think winning the National Championship
the year after Saban leaves was the expectation. Saban I
think has told people behind the scenes that last year
is one of the most incredible things they've ever done
at Alabama. That team wasn't as good and they were

(01:11:31):
on the doorstep of being in the National Championship. They
beat Georgia and had Michigan on the ropes. But after
watching on Saturday night, it's like I should have listened
to myself. Now, I don't pretend to know as much
about their roster as I did Washington's, but clearly they're

(01:11:52):
good and this young wide receiver is a superstar. He
has Jalen Milroe looking really good defensively, They're just gonna
have a I mean, think how much bigger and physical
they looked in Georgia. That to me is what's crazy.
Like they felt in that first half, like are they
better on defense than Georgia? And the answer clearly was yes.

(01:12:15):
Like John, what about the fourth quarter? Yeah, when guys
are kind of zoning out, I got Bama twelve to
one to win the Natty. That's a good bet. I
also think if we're just talking numbers and logic and
just set up in terms of the National Championship now,
it was easier to win the National Championship before at

(01:12:37):
the best of four, right, Like Alabama right now would
be the one seed, right, so they would only have
to play They would get Texas. Maybe Texas gets upset
in the two three game and they play you know, Miami,
and then the winner of Texas Ohio State. It was
just a knockdown, drag out game and they get to
beat Miami by twenty points. Where in the twelve team playoff,

(01:13:03):
even though they would get a bye and wouldn't have
to play all the games, it's still is a longer
path to the national There's just more variables, is what
I would say, We're gonna see a crazy upset, you know,
a team at home getting beat in the playoffs. It's
college football. But yeah, good call on you listening to me?

(01:13:28):
Mail back? Do you think Carson Beck is overrated? If
he can barely handle Kentucky and now the Alabama defense,
why would anyone take him in the first round. I
don't know how anyone could watch him play and think
first round or and I think there's a balance here
that just sounds like I'm not talking shit. I don't
think the guys a scrub. I think the guy's second

(01:13:48):
day pick. How many human beings do you know that
have just been like, yeah, I was drafted in the
second or third round of the NFL. Most people that
know an individual it was drafting the second third round
of the NFL. That's by far the most athletic person
in your life. Right, Hey, my buddy, fifty years old,
second round pick by the Jets in nineteen ninety two.

(01:14:10):
Everyone's got everyone wants to talk to that guy. Hey,
this is my this is my guy, Jay. He was
a He was a He was a third round pick
by the Patriots in two thousand and three. Series you
play with Tom Brady third round pick. So it's like
you get drafted on Day two. Think how many great

(01:14:31):
players who were drafted on Day two. At quarterback Drew
Brees second round pick. Derek Carr's been made two hundred
and fifty million dollars, been starting in the NFL for
ten years. Jimmy Garoppolo started in a Super Bowl. Second
round pick, Russell Wilson third round pick. There's nothing wrong
with getting drafted on the second round. Think how many
great position players that were Think of all the wide

(01:14:53):
receivers right, DK Metcalf, Deebo, Samuel aj Brown, Shady McCoy,
DeShawn Jackson. I mean great Fred Warner was a third
round pick. He is the defensive player that he's like
the best blindbacker of his generation. So when you say
it like and I said it online because you know,

(01:15:13):
I was having a few cold ones, and you know,
fired off a couple of tweets from my guy Kaylin
Dumoor and Roll Todd Roll, and people are like, you're
such a overreacting to one game. It's like, guys, we're
just I'm just watching this guy play. And now if
you wanted to like trade back in at the end,
of the first round. Like, listen, I'm not gonna call
you the village idiot, but all I've seen mel Kiper

(01:15:38):
and all these guys have him top five rank, prospect,
potential number one overall pick. We're just not watching the
same player or watching the same sport. I watched the
NFL for a living, and I know what works and
what doesn't and the player he is right now, if
you were to draft him in the top five, you

(01:15:58):
would one be fired fast because it's not like he's
got some incredible arm. He's clearly not some great athlete.
He's not mister powerful runner. I don't even see how
we could have an argument that he's a better prospect
than Dion sun Shador. I think Chador is in a

(01:16:18):
different just in a different tier quinn yours. There's an
argument to be made he can be the number one
overall pick. I think we gotta pump the brakes. He's
been hurt back to back years. So if I'm gonna
take a guy number one overall pick who's been hurt
constantly in college, like, that's pretty risky. I mean, that's

(01:16:39):
that that keeps me up at night. Who else am
I missing? Carson Beck? Shador sanders Quin yours. You know,
can I get Jalen Milroe like the second or third round?
I think I might rather have Jalen Milroe and pick
fifty than I would Carson Beck and pick ten. I

(01:17:00):
know that, But there was a report today I forget
by who that doing research, This is the least talented
first round in years, Like most drafts in a first
round have you know, on average, if you just get
the thirty two teams, like between somewhere between twenty and

(01:17:24):
twenty four guys as first round value. Right, just because
there's thirty two picks in the first round doesn't mean
they're thirty two graded first rounders on the whole. With
NFL teams now, different teams great guys differently. But you
guys get the gist of this. And the report today
is the number for most teams is actually closer to

(01:17:45):
like ten to twelve. So that kind of speaks to one,
we had this weird twenty twenty that did not count
for any of these guys' eligibility. It's just kind of
thrown everything out of whack. Within a couple of years
will be back to the normal kind of three year
cycle three and four year cycle right now. I mean,

(01:18:07):
how often do you turn on college football on a
Saturday and be like, twenty six year old, six year
red shirt, red shirt senior. You're like, how this guy
the Oklahoma State played Utah the game Cam Rising got
hurt the quarterbacks and stuck. He mentioned this, and they
mentioned it on the broadcast that their combined age was

(01:18:28):
forty nine years old. Forty nine years old. Arch Manning
is like nineteen years old. The receiver at mana seventeen
playing a guy that's twenty five years old. That's a
pretty big age gap. I don't have much in common
as a twenty five year old with a seventeen year old,

(01:18:50):
but yeah, me to me, Carson Beck, listen. I got
a lot of respect for Georgia, obviously what Kirby's done.
They are an elite program. But I think we gotta
be be real about what we witnessed. It's like their
team's not as good as it has been, and let's
face it, like they've just lost. Think how many players

(01:19:11):
they've lost over like a three year span. Even Saban
had some dips in his whatever six national championships Albert
he didn't win him every single year. I don't even
think did he ever even go back to back? So like,
you're gonna have a year where you've got a three
year stretch where you've lost all the defensive guys, and

(01:19:32):
then last year you finally lost the offensive guys and
some offensive linemen, so you lost your two best weapons
by a mile. I mean, brock Bauer is one of
the most talented guys in the history of the program. Maconkie,
your best receiver, Pickens, who was a you know, big
time receiver. For him, it's like, well, the quarterback, well
doesn't look like a guy that can carry the squad.
To me, twenty six year old Lions fan, obviously living

(01:19:56):
through some tough years, I love Stafford, but can't argue
the trade that stacked our team with picks. Given where
the Lions and Rams are this year, it'd be fun
if we propose the exact same trade goffin picks for Stafford.
It could put the Lions over the top. You want
him back over the top and win more Super Bowls,

(01:20:18):
and it would let the Rams rebuild under McVeigh. It'll
never happen. This is great. I think I think it
would be hard for McVeigh because he's at the point,
now how wealthy is He's already won the Super Bowl.
He's just trying so desperately to win every game. And

(01:20:40):
they got their picks back now, so he's not is
consumed with trying to restock the cupboard. But it would
be the right move in no fault of his own.
I mean, they tried desperately to win that game with
the Bears. But when you just have that many injuries,
I don't Bill Walsh and Vince Lombardi like you're gonna
have a problem. And Stafford's you know, pressing the issue.

(01:21:03):
They're just so dependent on, you know, five yard plays.
Matt Stafford is a much better player than Jared Goff,
and Jared Goff's good. So would you do? Would you
do Jared Goff from Matt Stafford? You know? The problem
is like this year's one, well, the Lions would probably

(01:21:26):
be a lock to be in the NFC Championship Game again.
So it's like, Okay, we're getting Jared Goff back and
pick let's say twenty nine, and we find our way
to seven ish wins with all the injuries, seven to
eight wins. We're picking fifteen, and we're gonna end up
losing more games because golf can't lose. Actually, if I

(01:21:47):
get golf, I'm gonna lose more games. I would probably
need more. If I'm the Rams, I would probably need
a one and a two, and again I would have
to basically wave the white flag on the season. And
I don't think McVeigh turned down Amazon, who is paying
Herbstreet or offered him, you know, fifteen eighteen million dollars

(01:22:09):
a year to just suck. He's desperately trying to win,
he said last year, winning those games, getting the playoffs
helped kind of, you know, restart that passion that he
had lost the previous year. That's the thing that I
always get worried about with McVeigh is like, if he
ever wanted to these these networks would hire him for Like,

(01:22:31):
if he wanted to do next year, Amazon would just
get rid of Herbstreet and hire him in a heartbeat,
which I hope doesn't happen. But I watched the Miami
Virginia Tech Hail Mary, and my only thought, where are
all the NFL grade cameras? I swear every time I
watch college football games, I see a noticeable difference in

(01:22:53):
the clarity and the slow motion replay, it's always blurry.
I hope the refs are getting better video when they
watch replays. There is a lot of money in college
football get better video. It's a good question. I've never
thought about it like that, obviously, the replays we had

(01:23:14):
on that moment, it I mean, you could there's no
way you can come to a conclusion anyway. Let's face it,
sitting here today, Monday afternoon, we have no clue what happened.
I have no clue who caught the ball, whether it
was inbounds, out of bounds, was it a touchdown, was
an interception? Was there a drop? No fucking clue, And

(01:23:37):
you know what, neither did they, which is why I
think it's kind of crazy that they called a touchdown
on the field and then they went to the replay
and they canceled the touchdown. Miami got lucky because once
the call in the field, with the information that we had,

(01:23:57):
assuming they're getting the same information, I don't know how
you over turned the call, but they did. It felt
a little David Stern like, when all else fails, just
go with the Lakers, Like, when all us fails, what
are you gonna do? Some Virginia Tech team that's gonna
win six to seven games. Or Miami that's one of
the biggest brands in college football and we want in
the playoffs. Let's go with Miami. That's kind of what
felt like what happened, which I don't really have an

(01:24:19):
issue with, but I also think this, You know, in
the NFL, ESPN just has the one game, right, and
they put a lot of money into it. They're paying
Akman twenty million, they're paying Buck ten, they're paying Mannings
a ton, They're broadcast They're all in in CBS and
Fox and NBC, like they take the NFL is the

(01:24:39):
most valuable property they all have. It's the most important
television show they show all year long. They would cancel
everything to keep that. We're ESPN. I'm pretty sure was
calling that game. Think how many college football games they do, right,
I mean they do a ton on ESPN on ESPN

(01:25:01):
two on ABC on ESPNU, I mean they're calling I
couldn't even guess. You'd have to tell me how many
college football games there are on a weekend. Are they
doing thirty five forty percent of them? When you count
all their networks because even Fox, like okay, Fox has
Fox and FS one, right, CBS just CBS and CBS Sports,

(01:25:22):
Like they're just doing two now over the course of
the day, that's like six or five. ESPN's doing four
games on ESPN, four games on ESPN two all the
games on ESPN plus. I think they got another channel.
ABC is also on you know, their own Disney. It's
all under the same umbrella. I wonder if they just

(01:25:45):
kind of skimp you notice it now on just these
broadcasts in general. Definitely some of the shows on their channels,
like they've gone cheap things that they never could have
flown flying now. Mistakes happen all the time. Well why
do you think that happens? Because instead of paying four

(01:26:05):
producers one hundred grand each, they try to get one
producer for eighty grand and then hire a bunch of interns.
And there's nothing wrong with that, but that's how mistakes happen.
And when you're gonna hold yourself at a really high level, right,
it's like, well, do we need to buy all these
cameras or can we get away with it? Because in
the NFL, they don't, like you said, they have a

(01:26:27):
camera at every single angle, and obviously better cameras well.
Of course they do they care more about the NFL.
They're just it's impossible to care the same about college
football the individual college football games. So I think that's
a very very fair assessment by you. I'm so tired
of offenses gaining thirty to fifty yards with TICKI tac

(01:26:51):
defensive pass interference calls, especially getting a first down on
the one yard line. The deck is already stacked up
against the defense. Would propose that the consequence of defensive
PIS is giving the offense the option for an automatic
first down or a fifteen yard penalty from the line
of scrimmage. That way, the offense can still keep a

(01:27:13):
drive alive and the defense has a serious consequence. I'd
even be okay with more strictly enforcing the call with
less severe penalty. I think a good example is because
I think the offensive guy would tell you, let's use
the Saints Atlanta game. Derek Carr tries to do the

(01:27:34):
Drew Brees touchdown where he jumps over the line of scrimmage,
barely even gets to the center's ass doesn't get close.
The Falcons have to call timeout, they run the ball.
I think the next down gets stuffed, call another timeout,
and then they finally score. So Atlanta gets the ball
back like a minute, no timeouts, and it was clearly
going to be a lot more difficult for them to

(01:27:56):
just get into field goal range than it was against
the Eagles defense that day. Know they had to score
a touchdown, but the Saints defense, it was gonna be difficult.
And then they get a thirty yard play on a
pass interference, which was a past interference. But it's like,
so you're telling me the game is decided on the PI.
Now I think the Falcons would say, well, if he

(01:28:17):
doesn't just tackle him, Mooney of the wide receiver is
going to catch the ball. He smoked a wide receiver.
It's like, yeats, I see both sides. Just using that
as an example where I hate is a severely underthrown
ball and the wide receiver just stops and the dB

(01:28:38):
runs through him. It's like that that was a terrible pass.
That was not a good pass. Like Cousins, it looked
like a decent pass. So I've always been in favor
of automatic fifteen yard penalties, and I think we've talked
about this before in the mail bag. People have DMD
the defensive holding should be at the point of the spot.

(01:29:01):
So if it's third and twelve and I hold at
six yards, it should not be an automatic first down.
It should then be third and six. I get PI.
Maybe there are severities of PI, but it's that's more difficult.
Like holding's the same way, right, it's a big penalty,

(01:29:21):
you know, ten yard movie back, same thing with intentional grounding.
I do think it's fair to say the severity of
defensive holding and defensive PI is too punitive, too extreme.
So could you just go fifteen yard penalty? Because that
would have made a big difference in the Falcons game.
If that was the case, maybe he still hits you know,

(01:29:43):
sixty yarder. Maybe they don't get in range fifty eight.
I think exactly it was. But which is a big
moment for Arthur Blank, who just got inducted into the
Falcons Hall of Fame. I mean, how often you get
to have a ring of honor, hall of famer who
owns the team, Watch your team get a massive victory.
How they got the edge of fifty six to fifty
five in the career matchups.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
The volume

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
MHM

All Episodes

3 & Out - Goff leads the Lions on Monday Night, Baker vs. Brady, RIP Dikembe and Pete Rose

Episode Transcript

Hosts And Creators

Colin Cowherd

Jason McIntyre

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

The Breakfast Club

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}3 & Out - Goff leads the Lions on Monday Night, Baker vs. Brady, RIP Dikembe and Pete Rose