John discusses the KC Chiefs, and how Andy Reid is clearly going to be in the Hall of Fame but should we also be talking about Brett Veach being a first ballot Hall of Famer as the GM of the team.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on everybody? How are we doing? It's
the middle of the week, Wednesday, a little before lunchtime. Well,
depending where you are, it might be lunchtime, could be
dinner time, could be breakfast, especially in New Orleans, you know,
if you had a late night, depending on when you're
diading now. But I told myself when I came here,
I was gonna be it's gonna be very tame. And
(00:36):
uh I was last night probably three or four Tito
sodas with some buddies from the Chiefs and the Eagles.
So I think we all agree we're just kind of
ready to get this game going. I mean there's there's
a lot of you can only ask Andy Reid and
Patrick Mahomes and Lane Johnson and Sirianni and Fangio, so
many questions. But this is part of the build up
(00:57):
when it comes to the Super Bowl. Uh. You know
the people everywhere. I mean all my flight, Deebo Samuel
was on it. I saw Steve Smith Senior this morning
getting some getting some eggs. So you just got football
people everywhere. You got the festivities. This is a party town,
which someone had mentioned because I walked last night. I
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my toiletry bag I forgot.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
There wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Much stuff in it, but toothbrushes, razors, that BS. I'd
forgotten my taxi, and you know, I was so impatient.
The Uber line was so long, so I just hopped
in a taxi and I had to go to CBS
and I was walking back and there was just there's
cops everywhere. And I looked at him, like, this place
looks pretty clean. I'm like, New Orleans is normally dis clean.
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He's like, oh yeah, we shipped all the homeless. I
mean millions of dollars shipped them. I'm like, God, they
clear these places out when the Super Bowl comes. It's crazy,
the power of the NFL. The same thing happened to
LA a couple of years ago. I remember driving to
the Volume party and the Uber drivers like, oh, they
cleaned this place up. So you know New Orleans, Uh,
it's clean, it's it's vibrant. It's party town, boozetown. I
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mean this is this is a boozing town. Good food
at what I was told was the best cheeseburger in
New Orleans. Probably get some gumboat tonight. Try to be healthy,
but it's difficult here. Other than that, I think today
we'll do a big mailbag. So at John middlecoff is
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you do that, you have just hundreds of nights, so
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I'm JW right Downtown, and it's like I just can't recommend.
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I'm a big loyal Marriott guy. They were just consistent,
good hotels. The points, it's just fantastic. I mean this,
the location here is awesome. I got the Chiefs stand
right across the street from me, the Eagles right down
the street from me. I had a bunch of cocktails
with some buddies on both stabs last night, and it's just,
you know, it's cool to watch how good those two
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teams are. I mean, and I told Colin this. You know,
when I got hired in Philadelphia, I didn't know Howie
Roseman from The Man on the Moon, Right, I'm a
California guy. Then at Fresno State, I didn't know anything.
I wasn't an Eagles fan. I was a forty nine
er guy. And you know, you meet Howie and you
start working for him, and you realize this guy is
just a ambitious go getter. And it was clear once
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you spend time around him, it was going to be
very difficult for him not to be successful. He's just
too smart, he works too hard, he's just too aggressive.
And obviously, by the time I got there, Andy was very.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Very successful.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And once he's gone to Kansas City, he's become an
all time legend. But you know, one topic of conversation
that came up last night, Andy's a Hall of Famer, right, Andy,
even if disappeared tomorrow and didn't coach this game. Locke
first ballot Hall of Famer. You know some of the
players on both teams, from you know, Patrick Mahomes to
Kelsey to Chris Jones to Lane Johnson. I guess some
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other guys on the Eagles that are building up, you know,
a Hall of Fame career. Obviously Kelsey just retired. He's
a Hall of Famer. But when you look at the
personnel people, you know, Red Veach has been the general
manager of a team that has three Super Bowls, and
Andy has spoken openly and aggressively like he picks the
players and trust me, at someone who knows people like
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this is not like the Andy Reid when I was
in Philadelphia was also the highest guy in the totem
poll and that that's obviously once he left, how he
has taken over that role. But when he went to
Kansas City, from John Dorsey to now Brett Veach, like
he is not the general manager. So this team is
built by Veach in the personnel department. I don't see
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whether you win or lose this game on Sunday. How
Brett Veach isn't a Hall of Fame general manager. Obviously
if he wins this game on Sunday and would have
be the GM of a team that won three straight
and also won another title. I mean and think about
some of the teams he's beaten. He's beaten two excellent
forty nine ER teams and two excellent Eagles teams. So
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it's like, for is he a first ballot Hall of
Famer as a general manager. Now, the thing is that
this is not like Bill Pollian or some super old guy.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, Veach is.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know whether he forty six, forty eight. I mean,
he's not that old. So he's gonna be a GM
in theory for a long long time. I mean, I
would imagine he will be the GM of the Kansas
Ey Chiefs whenever Andy Reid does finally retire. And I
also think, you know, Howie Roseman's probably on the fringe.
We've a lot of gms over the years win a
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Super Bowl, But if you win two Super Bowls as
a general manager, when it's one hundred percent clear, you're
not just in charge of picking the players, You're in
charge of kind of the whole organization. And the first
Super Bowl with a backup quarterback, you beat Tom Brady
and then you beat Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. I
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think Howie Roseman would be a law Call of Famer. So,
I mean, when you talk about big picture stuff with
this game when it comes to obviously you know the
coaches and the players, but the personnel people have a
very very good chance of becoming pretty legendary. And that,
to me is what's cool about this game. And just
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see these guys. I mean, I got a buddy on
the chief staff who was with the Eagles in falls year,
so he won a Super Bowl, transition to the Chiefs
a year later, and if he wins tomorrow, this will
be his fifth ring. I mean it's like, I was, like,
how many rings? That's insane. I think how many people
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that work in pro sports their whole career that maybe
get to a Finals or get to a World Series,
or get to a Super Bowl, let alone win one,
win one, But to win three, four or five rings.
I mean, that's it's fucking insane. I mean, all these guys,
I mean, if the Eagles win, I got multiple buddies
on the staff to be their second ring, their third Super
Bowl appearance. Some of them were there back in the
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day when they went in uh to play the Patriots
in the in the early mid two thousand. So you're
talking about teams that just win a lot a lot
of success, a lot of big playoff bonuses, so it's
it's very cool to watch. And you know, one topic
of conversation is that Kellen Moore is uh. I mean
he's just gonna be the head coach of the Saints,
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which I listen. I appreciate ambitious people and aggressive people.
I think that's a pretty bold move. I mean, to
take that you, I think it's a terrible job. But yeah,
I mean it's hard to become a head coach. Most
people don't turn down head coaching jobs, and we've seen
over the years people that do sometimes get lost in
the shuffle. I mean, everyone's making fun of Brian Schottenheimer.
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Fifteen years ago. He was turning down jobs, turning down
head coaching jobs, and then he becomes the head coach
of the Cowboys, like fifty one years old, and everyone
starts making fun of them. So you know, your star
can rise just as fast as it can blow up
and dim. So I get it. I mean it's just
part of the business. But yeah, other than that, I mean,
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this is a good, good Super Bowl place. One underrated
part before we dive into the mailbag is the South
is just kind of humid. That's one thing I didn't
quite expect. When I came here, I knew it was
going to be seventy five degrees, but I just expected
like seventy five degrees and is kind of nice that
thick air. It's not like sweating humid, but you could
tell it's like five ten degrees away from being like, damn,
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this would be pretty brutal.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I guess it's part. You know the water's right.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I guess I can see the water from right here.
But let's tip into the mailbag. Question for the bag
is from Nick. How much do players, coaches, and executives
think about their franchise history? For example, I'm a Vikings fan.
Say they made the Super Bowl. Obviously, during the week
the fans will be talking about how we've never won
a super Bowl before. But what the players coaches think
about that at all? Or do you ever look back
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at their successful teams in the past for a guide
on how to build their team? Thanks appreciate. I would
say that when you're part of a franchise that's never
won a Super Bowl. Let's use the Eagles as an example,
when they were playing in that Tom Brady Nick Foles
Super Bowl, I think it's a pretty big deal when
you're a franchise that has never won one. That is
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a major topic of conversation when for those two weeks,
honestly for your playoff run, right starting once you enter
the playoffs, like is this going to be the year?
You know for the Bills, the Viking some of those
type teams. It's like one it's those teams. I mean
the Bills in the Vikings. When's the last time the
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Vikings been to the Super Bowl? Was that the seventies? Obviously,
you know the Bills haven't been back since the early nineties.
But if they ever make it back, the number one
conversation will be how do we win the Super Bowl
for the first time ever? Because I know that was
the conversation not that long ago with the Philadelphia Eagles, right,
And I think when you have a franchise, let's use
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the forty nine Ers as an example. When they make it,
it's like, can Kyle Shanahan finally win a Super Bowl?
Forty nine Ers already have a bunch, So it's it's
even the Eagles now back in it, like they already
got the monkey up their back, so it's like can
they take down the Chiefs?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's not about the franchise.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So I think it's a driving conversation in a huge
part of the story when it comes to the game
when a team hasn't had success in the Super Bowl.
I'm a Carolina Panther fan. Do you think Bryce Young
will ever become a great quarterback in the NFL? Can
he ever be better?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
C J.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Stroud or Jadeen Daniels, I would say that before we
try to climb Mount Everest, let's just walk. Hell, maybe
even a light jog. Last year was an incredible accomplishment.
It really was, because early on in the season it
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could not have looked any worse. It looked like he
might not make it to his third year, like he
might not be on the team in year three. That
was one hundred percent on the table. That happened at
Trey Lance by the third year, the forty hour ship
from the Cowboys, it happened. They moved on that fast
and like you guys traded a bunch and it was like,
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this is not gonna work. And then Bryce Young, because
Andy Dalton gets in that car accident, gets to come back,
and I would say, resurrects his career, which is crazy
to say for a guy that had played a year
and a half, but that's what happened. So before he
can be better than Jayden Daniels. I mean, Jayden Daniels
just took We were talking about it last night. One
of the shittiest teams you will ever see. I mean
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they were terrible. They were so in terms of roster wise.
I pulled some people last that they didn't think they
were a top twenty roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Took that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean, what Jayden Daniels was doing. Blue people in
the NFL away, Blue people away.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
C J.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Stroud up and down his second year, but still has
won some playoff games. Let's just see Bryce continue to
play the way he's playing, and I think everyone associated
with the Panthers and any fan of the Panthers, hell,
any Alabama fan, any fan I was a fan of
Bryce Young coming out should be very very excited. I've
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always found it interesting how some NFL coaches are in
incredible shape, like Dan Campbell, Sean McVeigh, and Dave Canalis,
while others seem to let themselves go given that they're
constantly surrounded by elite athletes, strain coaches, and top tier
health professionals. You'd think that the environment would naturally influence
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them to prioritize nutrition and fitness. Why do you think
some coaches embrace that lifestyle while others don't. Just something
I've been curious about.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I like this question.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I would say one, genetics play a part, right Vic Fangio,
even if he was a more healthy eater, and I
would say, I don't you know his workout habits, But
if you look at him, I'd say he's probably not
in the gym five days a week. His genetics are
dramatically different than Sean McVay or Dan Campbell's. I mean,
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Dan Campbell played in the NFL for like a decade.
Dave Canalis and Sean McVay are like, look like they're
on the heavy dose of the T which I don't
blame them, but I think some people, and we all
know these people, I think the older generation, you know,
I would say fifty five sixty plus their coaches in
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the NFL. It's just like work, work, work, work, work,
and you only have so much energy. So for me,
I have to get a sweat. Even though I'm in
bad shape right now, I still work out all the time.
It's on my diet because that energizes me. Some people
once they get off the routine. And this is what's
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crazy about coaches who can work like eighteen hours a
day that they end up just not working out, and
how they still have energy but they do so I
think part of it is once you prioritize it, it
just becomes a routine. And that's what I think the
biggest thing is with coaches, whether you're working out or not,
they all have a routine. And the guys you just listed,
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you know, especially I would imagine McVeagh and Canalis, same
with Dan Campbell. I mean their workouts are more than
likely coming at like five thirty in the morning. So
when you work out early in the morning, I guess
you eat well. I think a large thing too, is
you know, Dan Campbell's kind of unique because of his
body type. But it's just diet. I mean, the older
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you get, obviously working out is key, but your diet
is such a key, I mean, it really is. And
I do think when you're a coach, you're sitting around
a lot. So if you're if you're snacking a lot,
it could it could add up fast. A lot of
people have hit me up with different names. One that
I've actually really liked that. Someone hit me with I
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didn't write down. His name was, uh was the Outsiders.
It's obviously called three and out. We're a little bit
of a you know, we beat to our own drumm
around here. I kind of like that the Outsiders. And
his logic was, you know, we're this isn't a traditional
like media. You didn't go to big JA school. You
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just kind of do your own thing, IM like I can't.
I kind of like that. So that's I wrote down
a couple and that's definitely one that, uh that stuck
out to me. Currently, Daniel Jeremiah has the draft for
the top six picks going like this, The Titans Abdul Carter,
the Browns Travis Hunter, the Giants cam Ward the Patriots
Will Campbell officer tackle OSU, the Jags Mason Graham defensive
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tackle Michigan and the Raiders Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
We all know who he is. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And would it be smart for the Raiders to get
a top free agent like Darnold if available, or Flacco
to help develop Shadoor if they end up? Well, here's
the thing. You don't control the draft, right, So when
you're the Raiders and you're at six, Shador could go
number one overall. What's just in a perfect world or
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in a hypothetical world, say that Shadoor Sanders is the
Titans favorite player.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I doubt he is, but let's just for this exercise.
If he goes number one overall and you are planning
on drafting him and all of a sudden, you don't
have a backup plan, So it's like getting Joe Flacco.
Getting Sam Donald is not necessarily to groom Shade or
sand You don't know if you're gonna be able to
draft shod or Sanders right unless you know during the
combine you're able to orchestrate a trade right before like
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free agency, so you already are drafting two.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But if you're not, I just think.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's the the way the league is set up. You
have to make your decisions on free agency before the
draft comes around. So last year when they signed Sam
Donald to ten million dollar contract in Minnesota, they had
no idea if they could get JJ McCarthy for sure.
They didn't even know on draft night if he was
going to be there. Remember that they weren't even drafting
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in the top ten, and it was hard for them
to trade up. Now, they probably had a good idea
he was going to be there, but there was no guarantee,
no guarantee at all. So I think that's always part
of it in terms of why you sign a quote
unquote bridge guy, it's because you don't know if you're
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gonna be able to draft a guy unless you're drafting
number one overall. Right, if the Titans were to sign
Joe Flacco, you could be like, well, they have a
backup plan in terms of like he could be the starter,
or maybe they'll just start Joe Flacco and draft of
Dual Carter. I know you've discussed this before, but I'm
curious where your stance is now. I feel like I'm
on an island here because everyone is all over McCarthy.
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Running it back with Darnold for one more year on
a tag or cheap deal without trading JJ seems like
a great option. But when I hear these bots online
thinking McCarthy is a lock to be an elite player makes.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Me shake my head.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Side note, if you ever want to get lit up
on this link, let me know. I don't know what
the link is. Oh on the links, Oh, I was like, yeah,
I think anytime that you assume a guy is gonna
be good, bad, you know, indifferent, like you have no
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clue with a rookie quarterback none. It's like, well, you
had an awesome preseason game, and it's true he looked
in the preseason game he made some sweet throws. But
to think that that just translates to real games against
like the Packers and the Lions. He is an assumption
and a mindset that can get you in a.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Lot of trouble.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
This was a player, you know, Kevin O'Connell throws the
ball a lot. I would say he's borderline addicted to
throwing the ball, which is not a bad thing when
he got Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. But he's gonna
live and die not just with with throwing the ball,
but deep shots like they pushed the ball down the
field like Google JJ McCarthy. I mean that's that wasn't
exactly how he played in college. Doesn't mean he can't
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play like that in the NFL, but he's got to
prove he can do it. We see a lot of
people in a lot of different industries like, yeah, this
should work, super smart, great, GPA. A high level guy
networks well, then you put him in a real life situation,
it doesn't go well. It's hard for young people. This
is hard. Should the Bears trade for Miles Garrett. I've
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been seeing a lot of Bears fans not wanting to,
and I'm in the minority. I think it's a no brainer.
They have three top forty five picks this year. They
could easily outbid any playoff team because the ten picks
is much more valuable than the twenties. Ideally, you would
like to be one hundred percent positive with your quarterback
moving forward. But I feel like Caleb has shown enough
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to where you still have a good chance he will
work out, and if he doesn't, you were kind of screwed.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
They aren't gonna have a good chance to get a
player on this level anytime soon. They have a first
overall pick on a rookie contract. Outside of the O
line and D line, the Bears don't have any pressing needs.
They have a ton of money to address the O
line in free agency, and Miles Garrett would instantly make
the Bears one of the best defense in the league
they came up. I asked some people last night, I'm like,
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what do you think about Miles Garrett?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Where do you think he's gonna go? And everyone said.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, rookie. Look at teams with rookie contracts or rookie
quarterback contracts because it is a game changing attribute to
have in building a team, and when you look at
their team, you go where do they need to improve
offensive line? But like you said, like you can draft
guards and centers with other picks not being your first
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round pick. Now part of having money to use. When
you trade for Miles Scarrett, you're paying Miles Garrett. Like
when you trade multiple first rounders for Miles Garrett, you're
you're giving him probably one hundred and thirty hundred and
forty million dollars guaranteed. So that's part of the thing.
I would say. I think all the teams in the
NFC North, the Packers, the Lions, the We'll see what
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you know, the Vikings could have a lot of money
if they just go to JJ. I think all four
teams are going to be heavily involved in Washington. And
what do they have in common? You know, obviously JJ McCarthy,
Caleb Williams, Jane Daniel, you know rookie quarterbacks. Another question
about the Bears trading for him. I'm telling you it's
one of those things that's like if they do officially
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put him on the market. I know he asked for
a trade, they claimed he's not. They're gonna have conversations,
and I would guess. I mean, there are some teams,
like the Chiefs, that they would trade for him in
a heartbeat, but they just financially can't.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean, it's just not.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's not a possibility right with the financial constraints.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But I would say any.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Team that even has a glimmer of hope in terms
of being able to fit it into their cap and
has the draft picks have already called the Browns what
would it cost. I know you said you're not gonna
trade them, but if you did, what would it cost?
If you did, what would a package look like? And
if you're interested, let us know. We would like to
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talk to his agent about, you know, creating an extension
for when we do trade for him.
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Big Broncos Fan, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on
the Broncos as a threat to the Chiefs and the
playoffs going forward. After watching us play them this year,
I can't help but think that we might have their number.
I was truly hoping that we got to face them
in the playoffs this year. In Knick's first game against Mahomes,
he arguably outplayed him and a block field goal away
(26:02):
from winning the game. If we get him a few
more offensive weapons and he takes some steps forward, I
feel extremely confident in the Broncos. If we were to
face Kansas City in the playoffs, I think there's a
decent chance we are their biggest threat in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Your thoughts well.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
As I sit here in New Orleans for the Super Bowl,
the Chiefs are getting ready to strap it up on
Sunday for not their first, now their second, now their third,
not their fourth, their fifth super Bowl in six years.
So I have a hard time. I know you played
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him tight in a random regular season game, and you
got a good defense, you got a good head coach.
I saw Sean Payton was here hanging out with Gruden.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know this.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I mean he used to be his town for a
long period of time. I have a hard time going, yeah,
you know, the Broncos are going to be their biggest
contender again. It doesn't mean you can't play them well
moving forward. But part of being a Super Bowl contender
is it just like, oh, yeah, we match up well
against the Chiefs. You just got a curb stomp by
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the Bills. You think you match up with the Bills
and the Ravens. I mean, I have a let's just
let's just try to go back to back double digit
win seasons. That'd be a big accomplishment getting back to
the playoffs. I have a hard time saying that the
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Broncos with bow nicks are going to be the Chiefs
biggest foe in the AFC, especially when I mean the
Bills have gone toe to toe with them several times
and the Ravens did lose the game seventeen to ten.
The Chiefs played just in a lot of tight games.
So I'm not trying to you know, take a leak
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on your parade here, but.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I would pump the brakes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Another Broncos fan lifelong and Broncos fan, I gotta say
this was a much needed as far as finally taking
a step in the right direction. With that being said,
what would you say is the next step for the
Broncos to help bo Knicks for a sophomore season. I
think there are I think both AFC West teams to
take the next step. Defensively, they're gonna be good, right
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The Chargers probably got a little.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
More figure out on defense.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Both of them. To me get a legit bell cow
running back, you don't need Saquon Barkley, you don't need
Christian McCaffrey in his prime. But can you just get
a guy like Yeah, we feel just good about this
guy being our starter. This guy actually is a high
end starter. You know, when the Raiders drafted Josh Jacobs,
I think they took him in the mid twenties, and
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I think they are gonna be a ton of guys
and this is an excellent running back class. That can
you get a guy I don't know in the second
or third round, who's just your starting running back for
the next half decade and just is a threat to
go for thirteen, fourteen to fifteen hundred yards and a
guy that you can ride in big games, in cold
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weather games and just can have twenty to twenty five
carries throughout.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
The majority of the season.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think that is the number one key or one
of the biggest keys for the Chargers and the Broncos,
just to get a guy's like we got a sweet
running back. I heard you say the mount rushmore of
NFL coaches, but I rarely hear anyone speak of Joe
Gibbs in the same company of Bill Walsh, Andy Reid,
and Bill Belichicks. Gibbs won three Super Bowls in a
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ten season timeframe, and one with three different non Hall
of Fame quarterbacks. Then, against all odds, hopped over to NASCAR,
where he has won five championships as a car owner.
In my opinion, he's one of the greatest sports leaders
of all time, but I rarely hear his name mentioned.
I was wondering if you ever had an opinion as
to why was it because he was pretty non conventional
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of a quiet temperament, or didn't yell at his players.
Would love to hear your thoughts ps you should call
him the middleman. I like outsiders a lot more middlemen.
That's a good question about Joe Gibbs. I think there's
something about yelling and being an aggressive, confrontational human back
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in like the seventies and eighties. Like think of the
most famous coaches in the eighties, right Walsh. But Walsh
was like the offensive genius and then it was a
bunch of Parcels Screamer, Ditka, Buddy Ryan screamers. The Raiders won,
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but his coaches didn't get credit. Al Davis did. I
don't know's that's a great question because you're right when
it comes to like sporting lives. He's had an elite
sporting life three Super Bowls. I do wonder if like
the stink of Dan Snyder took away from everything they
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accomplished in the eighties, because when you think.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
About, like.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Some other franchises that started winning again were one in
the two thousands or twenty tens, it brings back up
to light what happened back in the day, like the
Giants winning their two Super Bowls. It kind of brings
back to light. You know, Parcels and Belichick in the
eighties with Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I'm trying to think of another example.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I think anytime that you win, it just puts your
franchise on a higher pedestal, and the coaches who are
behind winning previous kind of get mentioned and talked about.
And for multiple decades the Washington commanders were so bad
and you start going generations of people like I don't
remember Joe Gibbs as a coach at all. So it's like,
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I'm a good example of if Washington. If Washington and
Philadelphia flip flopped, and Washington had been the Eagles for
the last twenty plus years and won a lot, I
think we would talk a lot more about Joe Gibbs.
That's just a guess too. A great name would be
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the Kafia. Credit goes to the YouTube. Come that section
the Kaffia. I don't hate that. Since you're able to
golf year round, you're so lucky. Could you tell the
pod what's in your bag this upcoming year? Thank you
for the sports Life.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
We'll do that on another podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's actually not I've had the same clubs for years.
Is it crazy to think Tom Brady, a Michigan man,
had extra incentive to pay Chip Kelly because it would
take away from Ohio State. Now because Ryan Day, chip
Kelly was high, like the highest or one of the
highest paid coordinators in college football. So whoever Ryan Day
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wants to fill in his role, like if he wants
to steal someone from another program, he will. I just
think that they looked around, they couldn't get a couple
guys that they wanted. And as someone told me last night,
I don't know the guy's name, but one of the
people with Brady that bought in to the Raiders is
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super rich and is cutting massive checks for all this
shit like that. This is not Mark Davis three years ago,
before the Brady venture capitalist acquisition of a percentage of
his team, would not have given chip Kelly six million dollars.
I got news for you. No one else in the
NFL would have done that. But they know Bill Simmons
(34:03):
calls it this new owner syndrome. Well, they got this
guy who's flushed with cash, who I think Pete Carroll
probably said, we're a little desperate here. I don't have
many good options, and they gave him six million dollars,
which is the highest paid coordinator in the NFL. That's
more money than Steve Spagnola and Vic Fangio, like, that's
to me pretty crazy, But I don't think it had
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anything to do with Ohio State. I think he had
more to do with they started looking around the landscape.
They weren't comfortable with any of the guys that were
going to hire, and they thought he was the best option,
which I still think is kind of crazy to me.
Someone else brought up the name the Scouts, the Outsiders,
the Scouts, I might as well distortedly clothing brand and
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use all these the.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Crew of the K.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Scouts Outsiders first time Dmer. I live in Tucson, crossing
my fingers to see you randomly on a golf course
in Scoutsdale one of these days. I remember a couple
of years ago you saying, and when you first started
as a Scout, you got to pick up and take
players at the airport. I was wondering if you could
share any funny, crazy stories from those times. I would say,
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for the most part, when you were picking up veteran players,
they were relatively quiet or cool, like if you were
signing a veteran player, bring them in for a workout.
If we didn't sign them, take them back. They acted
I don't remember anything out of the ordinary at all
when you would have those things. And I'm sure you
see these headlines the top thirty visits meaning you can
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bring in thirty guys in the draft class to your facility.
And it doesn't mean like your top thirty players. It
could be guys in the second, third, fifth round, character questions,
people you want to meet, and one thing, I remember
a group of like three or four guys taking them
back to the airport, and then I forget exactly what
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the conversation was, but I remember it not being great.
And anytime, you know how he used to call kind
of a con man if you showed up to a
top thirty visit in a three piece suit, like you
should show up to the top thirty visit in normal clothes, right, Honestly,
you could wear a sweatsuit of your college team, let alone,
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just pair of jeans and a tea shirt and hoodie.
But if you show up and you're a character red
flag to the top thirty visit in a suit, that
is a major red flag. It's like, bro, what are
we doing here? And I remember a guy in a suit.
I forget the player. There were several players. It was
like from the same college team. They had a bunch
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of draftable players and a couple of them were kind
of question marks. And I remember them saying, like, just
start talking to each other in the back because they
were college teammates, and thinking like, I'm taking some metal
notes and I'm gonna tell these guys when i get back.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
We obviously didn't draft them.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I don't think a guy had a long career, but
I think sometimes you know, for these guys, you're just
you're just trying to convince there's so much money in
the line if you've been in trouble, or if you're
just a bad guy, right and you're just not a
just someone that like your coach doesn't like you in college,
like you just got a lot of redfu. It doesn't
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mean as time goes on you won't mature in life,
but you know, you just start kind of putting on
a con and you pretend to be something you're not,
and then once you relax.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You kind of turn. It's like a politician.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I always think with politicians, like are they actually like
this or it's just the camera's on. The camera's off.
It's like they're off, you know, It's like twenty twenty,
The Master Wrong. When the cameras are on, the cameras
off boom, that thing comes off. Same thing with these
guys trying to convince a team that whatever happened to
them in college is not actually who they are. It's
just a bad moment, and I think, you know, sometimes
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they they kind of drop their focus level on who's listening,
and maybe just a younger guy drive him around, a
guy in their twenties not as focused, and you just
drop character and all of a sudden you say something
that you don't even realize you said, and it gets back.
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Are we finally going to see a Mahomes behind the
back pass in the Super Bowl? I would doubt it.
I mean, I think if you get a Mahomes behind
the back pass, it would more than likely be out
of desperation, not because he's trying to do it behind
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the back pass. You can't afford, you know, if the
thing hits off his back and it's a fumble. Turnovers
are too big of a deal in the playoffs to
risk something like that. Love the show, listen. I do
have a question as far as the Chiefs receiving favorable calls.
I'd be interested if a stat can be pulled on
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the Chiefs drives in regular season and playoffs that were
continued by a third down penalty and resulted in a score,
I'd be interested to see when they where they stand
compared to other teams in the NFL and that stat.
I know it sounds nuanced, but it feels like it
would be a huge indicator of favorable calls. I saw
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someone break down like the Bills had more fifteen yard
penalties called throughout the season than the Chiefs. Like you said,
this is the playoffs, I would guess in general, if
you have a personal foul called on a drive, the
percentage chance that you are going to score points goes
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up exponentially. You know, whatever your whatever your drive chart
is to score a field goal plus right, let's just
say it's I'm just going to pick a number. Thirty
five to forty percent, right, is the percentage of times
that you score on a drive. So like a little
under half, either either a touchdown or a field goal.
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If you get a fifteen yard penalty on a drive.
So about now the new kickoff role. If you start
at the thirty or the thirty five yard line, if
you get a fifteen yard penalty, especially if you've already
got like a first down, you're already close, like not
that far away from the red zone. Like if you
start at the thirty five and you've gotten a first down,
you're like the forty eight and all of a sudden
you get a first down. I mean, you're close to,
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like the thirty five yard line. You're like a first
down away from being in the red zone. So fifteen
yard penalty fuels only one hundred yards, and you're not
starting at zero most of the time, at minimum, you're
starting now with the new kickoff role, it's very rare
to see someone started at the twenty, So you're probably
pretty close to the twenty five or the thirty yard line.
So if I just give you a free fifteen yards,
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you're pretty fucking close to midfield. That's my issue with
and I think pass interference of some of these, I
do believe the passing interference should go to a fifteen
yard penalty, because when I get a pass interference, even
if it is pass interference, if you get a free
thirty forty yards, like that's that just seems ridiculous to me.
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Will the NFL ever consider holding the super Bowl on
a Saturday. I feel like it could become an even
bigger event than it already is. It's a good question,
you know, if you're not going to have the super
Bowl before a holiday, I would say a large percentage
of people have to go to work on Monday morning.
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And I don't know about you, I do not like
being hungover on a Monday morning. So if you really
want to get after it and enjoy yourself, it is much.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Easier to do on a Friday night or Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Right. So if they had it on Saturday night, would
the ratings?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Would less people watch?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I don't think they would, because, like you said, you
would build It's not like a random Saturday.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I was like, oh, the super bowls on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
You would know all year long, so your life would
be built around that. Now, I think the pushback might
be some people with you know, kids, events happen on
Saturday that are out of your control. But it's a
night game. I'm not a posed to that. I do
wonder if there's just the NFL is a Sunday sport.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Sunday's their day.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
There's something with consumer habits that play on Sunday. It's
always a little weird, even when in December when they
start playing on Saturdays. There's got to be something to
just habits of the viewer. I hear what you're saying.
I would doubt that they ever do move that though,
huge Eagles fan. With Kellen more likely to leave for
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the Saints. Who do you think are some of the
best candidates for the OC job? Mike McCarthy. I love
the show, keeping with the good work. I think it's
gonna be I think all signs point to being I
think Kevin Petullo. I might be saying his name wrong,
but I'm pretty sure he is currently. Uh. He's the
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pass game coordinator for the Eagles. So he's worked with
Sirianni with the Colts, where he was the wide receiver coach.
He joined the Eagles when Sirianni got the job as
the pass game coordinator. Now he's the pass game coordinator
associate head coach. I think all signs point to him
being the next offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Uh, listen, I.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Mean anytime that you have one of these things happened.
The one thing why they like Kellen Morris he had
called play for a long time. And the other thing
is he had called plays for a long time in
the division. Now the division changed. But when dan Quinn
went to the Cowboys, like we'll think who Kellen Moore
was up against the practice. So he's used to them,
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you know, the Giants personnel, he's very comfortable with that.
And anytime you go with the first time play caller,
remember the Eagles did it with Brian Johnson. Now, granted,
I think Brian johnsonid call plays in college for the
for Utah, but it was a first time play caller
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
It gets it's just risk.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
But if you make that move, I would imagine that
you're comfortable with his relationship with the quarterback, with the personnel,
with Howie the donor likes you.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
So I think that all factors in. But you know,
by all.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Accounts, it looks like it's going to be him. We'll
see if I can find a couple more Bears fan
win on this this offseason, whether it be free agency
or the draft, we're looking for bolstering both sides of
the line of scrimmage. One name that's been out there
in terms of free agency is Tray Smith. I've had
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my eye on Trey Smith since he was a rookie
and noticed he's one of the few linemen in the
NFL that is an absolute mastadon that plays with violence
the way Trent Williams. My only concern is he's now
going to play in his third trade Super Bowl? Does
that factor in that he's played three extended seasons consecutively,
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because any cause, any concern if you were going to
sign him, he was a player that came up last
night as well. By all accounts, people think that his
I asked, like could he get seventy million dollars on
the open market? Like could he get a four year,
one hundred million dollar contract? Was sixty to seventy guaranteed.
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A lot of people thought that, you know, his number
is going.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
To be over twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
So no, it's not going to as long as he
does not get injured in the Super Bowl. He is
going to break the bank this offseason. And I think
it's going to be difficult for the Chiefs to keep him.
Not and they love him, they don't like him, they
love him, but it's just it gets expensive. I mean,
cats they want to keep him, but all of a
sudden he hits free agency. I mean a lot of
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people think the Bears. Ryan Poles know some it's expensive.
I mean the Chiefs tried to sign him last year
and he said no because a team friendly deal. I
think I'm gonna get paid and he ain't wrong, So
I think the Bears. But they're gonna have competition. I
mean there are a lot of teams. Look at Washington, like,
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they got a lot of money. They give you some players.
Look at Minnesota, they got a lot of money. They
give you some offensive lineman. Look at the Patriots, they
got a lot of money. They could use some offensive lineman.
His market people thought it was nuts. When I said, like,
I think he's gonna could he get eighty million dollars guaranteed?
He's like, oh no. I'm like, there is so much
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money out there and it's just gonna be a bidding process.
Like how do some of these houses, Like oh, went
on the market for a million? They ended up getting
one too well, three people wanted it, and they kept
bitting against each other and drove the price up. That's
what happens in free agency. That's why these guys get
paid so much money. That's why when players take early
deals with they don't get as much because there's no
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one bidding for their services beside the team. Well, think
who's bidding on you when you're I mean, he's gonna
be one of the best free agents at a position
where teams are desperate for offensive linemen. It's like, well,
he's one of the best offensive linemen for the best
team in the league, who's a high character, like you said, badass.
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It's like, wait, he's a starter on a dynasty, whose
character is elite, whose play style is violence and aggressive,
and he's blocked for one of the great players in
league history.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I think he's going to be one of the top
free agents for a lot of teams that have money,
because there any team could use a guy like Tray Smith.
And like you said, you know the Bears, I would
imagine he might be their number one target, But are
they willing to.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Break the bank for him?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I would imagine Ben Johnson, who just came from the Lions,
where offensive line was pretty freaking good and was a
huge reason they were so good, is going to be
all over this guy. So yeah, Tray Smith, Bears, I
think a lot of people are gonna start circling that,
But they're gonna have a lot of competition for services.
Appreciate everyone listening. We'll be back in Scottsdale tomorrow night
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and we'll record a little open for the podcast I
did with Stucky and we will talk soon.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Audios the volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on everybody? How are we doing? It's
the middle of the week, Wednesday, a little before lunchtime. Well,
depending where you are, it might be lunchtime, could be
dinner time, could be breakfast, especially in New Orleans, you know,
if you had a late night, depending on when you're
diading now. But I told myself when I came here,
I was gonna be it's gonna be very tame. And
(00:36):
uh I was last night probably three or four Tito
sodas with some buddies from the Chiefs and the Eagles.
So I think we all agree we're just kind of
ready to get this game going. I mean there's there's
a lot of you can only ask Andy Reid and
Patrick Mahomes and Lane Johnson and Sirianni and Fangio, so
many questions. But this is part of the build up
(00:57):
when it comes to the Super Bowl. Uh. You know
the people everywhere. I mean all my flight, Deebo Samuel
was on it. I saw Steve Smith Senior this morning
getting some getting some eggs. So you just got football
people everywhere. You got the festivities. This is a party town,
which someone had mentioned because I walked last night. I
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my toiletry bag I forgot.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
There wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Much stuff in it, but toothbrushes, razors, that BS. I'd
forgotten my taxi, and you know, I was so impatient.
The Uber line was so long, so I just hopped
in a taxi and I had to go to CBS
and I was walking back and there was just there's
cops everywhere. And I looked at him, like, this place
looks pretty clean. I'm like, New Orleans is normally dis clean.
(01:41):
He's like, oh yeah, we shipped all the homeless. I
mean millions of dollars shipped them. I'm like, God, they
clear these places out when the Super Bowl comes. It's crazy,
the power of the NFL. The same thing happened to
LA a couple of years ago. I remember driving to
the Volume party and the Uber drivers like, oh, they
cleaned this place up. So you know New Orleans, Uh,
it's clean, it's it's vibrant. It's party town, boozetown. I
(02:03):
mean this is this is a boozing town. Good food
at what I was told was the best cheeseburger in
New Orleans. Probably get some gumboat tonight. Try to be healthy,
but it's difficult here. Other than that, I think today
we'll do a big mailbag. So at John middlecoff is
the is the mailbag, and I'm just going to bang
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a Marriott guy since I traveled in scouting. And when
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you do that, you have just hundreds of nights, so
you accumulate so many points. Well, I've just kept the
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I'm a big loyal Marriott guy. They were just consistent,
good hotels. The points, it's just fantastic. I mean this,
the location here is awesome. I got the Chiefs stand
right across the street from me, the Eagles right down
the street from me. I had a bunch of cocktails
with some buddies on both stabs last night, and it's just,
you know, it's cool to watch how good those two
(04:28):
teams are. I mean, and I told Colin this. You know,
when I got hired in Philadelphia, I didn't know Howie
Roseman from The Man on the Moon, Right, I'm a
California guy. Then at Fresno State, I didn't know anything.
I wasn't an Eagles fan. I was a forty nine
er guy. And you know, you meet Howie and you
start working for him, and you realize this guy is
just a ambitious go getter. And it was clear once
(04:51):
you spend time around him, it was going to be
very difficult for him not to be successful. He's just
too smart, he works too hard, he's just too aggressive.
And obviously, by the time I got there, Andy was very.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Very successful.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And once he's gone to Kansas City, he's become an
all time legend. But you know, one topic of conversation
that came up last night, Andy's a Hall of Famer, right, Andy,
even if disappeared tomorrow and didn't coach this game. Locke
first ballot Hall of Famer. You know some of the
players on both teams, from you know, Patrick Mahomes to
Kelsey to Chris Jones to Lane Johnson. I guess some
(05:26):
other guys on the Eagles that are building up, you know,
a Hall of Fame career. Obviously Kelsey just retired. He's
a Hall of Famer. But when you look at the
personnel people, you know, Red Veach has been the general
manager of a team that has three Super Bowls, and
Andy has spoken openly and aggressively like he picks the
players and trust me, at someone who knows people like
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this is not like the Andy Reid when I was
in Philadelphia was also the highest guy in the totem
poll and that that's obviously once he left, how he
has taken over that role. But when he went to
Kansas City, from John Dorsey to now Brett Veach, like
he is not the general manager. So this team is
built by Veach in the personnel department. I don't see
(06:11):
whether you win or lose this game on Sunday. How
Brett Veach isn't a Hall of Fame general manager. Obviously
if he wins this game on Sunday and would have
be the GM of a team that won three straight
and also won another title. I mean and think about
some of the teams he's beaten. He's beaten two excellent
forty nine ER teams and two excellent Eagles teams. So
(06:33):
it's like, for is he a first ballot Hall of
Famer as a general manager. Now, the thing is that
this is not like Bill Pollian or some super old guy.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, Veach is.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know whether he forty six, forty eight. I mean,
he's not that old. So he's gonna be a GM
in theory for a long long time. I mean, I
would imagine he will be the GM of the Kansas
Ey Chiefs whenever Andy Reid does finally retire. And I
also think, you know, Howie Roseman's probably on the fringe.
We've a lot of gms over the years win a
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Super Bowl, But if you win two Super Bowls as
a general manager, when it's one hundred percent clear, you're
not just in charge of picking the players, You're in
charge of kind of the whole organization. And the first
Super Bowl with a backup quarterback, you beat Tom Brady
and then you beat Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. I
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think Howie Roseman would be a law Call of Famer. So,
I mean, when you talk about big picture stuff with
this game when it comes to obviously you know the
coaches and the players, but the personnel people have a
very very good chance of becoming pretty legendary. And that,
to me is what's cool about this game. And just
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see these guys. I mean, I got a buddy on
the chief staff who was with the Eagles in falls year,
so he won a Super Bowl, transition to the Chiefs
a year later, and if he wins tomorrow, this will
be his fifth ring. I mean it's like, I was, like,
how many rings? That's insane. I think how many people
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that work in pro sports their whole career that maybe
get to a Finals or get to a World Series,
or get to a Super Bowl, let alone win one,
win one, But to win three, four or five rings.
I mean, that's it's fucking insane. I mean, all these guys,
I mean, if the Eagles win, I got multiple buddies
on the staff to be their second ring, their third Super
Bowl appearance. Some of them were there back in the
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day when they went in uh to play the Patriots
in the in the early mid two thousand. So you're
talking about teams that just win a lot a lot
of success, a lot of big playoff bonuses, so it's
it's very cool to watch. And you know, one topic
of conversation is that Kellen Moore is uh. I mean
he's just gonna be the head coach of the Saints,
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which I listen. I appreciate ambitious people and aggressive people.
I think that's a pretty bold move. I mean, to
take that you, I think it's a terrible job. But yeah,
I mean it's hard to become a head coach. Most
people don't turn down head coaching jobs, and we've seen
over the years people that do sometimes get lost in
the shuffle. I mean, everyone's making fun of Brian Schottenheimer.
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Fifteen years ago. He was turning down jobs, turning down
head coaching jobs, and then he becomes the head coach
of the Cowboys, like fifty one years old, and everyone
starts making fun of them. So you know, your star
can rise just as fast as it can blow up
and dim. So I get it. I mean it's just
part of the business. But yeah, other than that, I mean,
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this is a good, good Super Bowl place. One underrated
part before we dive into the mailbag is the South
is just kind of humid. That's one thing I didn't
quite expect. When I came here, I knew it was
going to be seventy five degrees, but I just expected
like seventy five degrees and is kind of nice that
thick air. It's not like sweating humid, but you could
tell it's like five ten degrees away from being like, damn,
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this would be pretty brutal.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I guess it's part. You know the water's right.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I guess I can see the water from right here.
But let's tip into the mailbag. Question for the bag
is from Nick. How much do players, coaches, and executives
think about their franchise history? For example, I'm a Vikings fan.
Say they made the Super Bowl. Obviously, during the week
the fans will be talking about how we've never won
a super Bowl before. But what the players coaches think
about that at all? Or do you ever look back
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at their successful teams in the past for a guide
on how to build their team? Thanks appreciate. I would
say that when you're part of a franchise that's never
won a Super Bowl. Let's use the Eagles as an example,
when they were playing in that Tom Brady Nick Foles
Super Bowl, I think it's a pretty big deal when
you're a franchise that has never won one. That is
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a major topic of conversation when for those two weeks,
honestly for your playoff run, right starting once you enter
the playoffs, like is this going to be the year?
You know for the Bills, the Viking some of those
type teams. It's like one it's those teams. I mean
the Bills in the Vikings. When's the last time the
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Vikings been to the Super Bowl? Was that the seventies? Obviously,
you know the Bills haven't been back since the early nineties.
But if they ever make it back, the number one
conversation will be how do we win the Super Bowl
for the first time ever? Because I know that was
the conversation not that long ago with the Philadelphia Eagles, right,
And I think when you have a franchise, let's use
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the forty nine Ers as an example. When they make it,
it's like, can Kyle Shanahan finally win a Super Bowl?
Forty nine Ers already have a bunch, So it's it's
even the Eagles now back in it, like they already
got the monkey up their back, so it's like can
they take down the Chiefs?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's not about the franchise.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So I think it's a driving conversation in a huge
part of the story when it comes to the game
when a team hasn't had success in the Super Bowl.
I'm a Carolina Panther fan. Do you think Bryce Young
will ever become a great quarterback in the NFL? Can
he ever be better?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
C J.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Stroud or Jadeen Daniels, I would say that before we
try to climb Mount Everest, let's just walk. Hell, maybe
even a light jog. Last year was an incredible accomplishment.
It really was, because early on in the season it
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could not have looked any worse. It looked like he
might not make it to his third year, like he
might not be on the team in year three. That
was one hundred percent on the table. That happened at
Trey Lance by the third year, the forty hour ship
from the Cowboys, it happened. They moved on that fast
and like you guys traded a bunch and it was like,
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this is not gonna work. And then Bryce Young, because
Andy Dalton gets in that car accident, gets to come back,
and I would say, resurrects his career, which is crazy
to say for a guy that had played a year
and a half, but that's what happened. So before he
can be better than Jayden Daniels. I mean, Jayden Daniels
just took We were talking about it last night. One
of the shittiest teams you will ever see. I mean
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they were terrible. They were so in terms of roster wise.
I pulled some people last that they didn't think they
were a top twenty roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Took that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean, what Jayden Daniels was doing. Blue people in
the NFL away, Blue people away.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
C J.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Stroud up and down his second year, but still has
won some playoff games. Let's just see Bryce continue to
play the way he's playing, and I think everyone associated
with the Panthers and any fan of the Panthers, hell,
any Alabama fan, any fan I was a fan of
Bryce Young coming out should be very very excited. I've
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always found it interesting how some NFL coaches are in
incredible shape, like Dan Campbell, Sean McVeigh, and Dave Canalis,
while others seem to let themselves go given that they're
constantly surrounded by elite athletes, strain coaches, and top tier
health professionals. You'd think that the environment would naturally influence
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them to prioritize nutrition and fitness. Why do you think
some coaches embrace that lifestyle while others don't. Just something
I've been curious about.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I like this question.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I would say one, genetics play a part, right Vic Fangio,
even if he was a more healthy eater, and I
would say, I don't you know his workout habits, But
if you look at him, I'd say he's probably not
in the gym five days a week. His genetics are
dramatically different than Sean McVay or Dan Campbell's. I mean,
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Dan Campbell played in the NFL for like a decade.
Dave Canalis and Sean McVay are like, look like they're
on the heavy dose of the T which I don't
blame them, but I think some people, and we all
know these people, I think the older generation, you know,
I would say fifty five sixty plus their coaches in
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the NFL. It's just like work, work, work, work, work,
and you only have so much energy. So for me,
I have to get a sweat. Even though I'm in
bad shape right now, I still work out all the time.
It's on my diet because that energizes me. Some people
once they get off the routine. And this is what's
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crazy about coaches who can work like eighteen hours a
day that they end up just not working out, and
how they still have energy but they do so I
think part of it is once you prioritize it, it
just becomes a routine. And that's what I think the
biggest thing is with coaches, whether you're working out or not,
they all have a routine. And the guys you just listed,
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you know, especially I would imagine McVeagh and Canalis, same
with Dan Campbell. I mean their workouts are more than
likely coming at like five thirty in the morning. So
when you work out early in the morning, I guess
you eat well. I think a large thing too, is
you know, Dan Campbell's kind of unique because of his
body type. But it's just diet. I mean, the older
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you get, obviously working out is key, but your diet
is such a key, I mean, it really is. And
I do think when you're a coach, you're sitting around
a lot. So if you're if you're snacking a lot,
it could it could add up fast. A lot of
people have hit me up with different names. One that
I've actually really liked that. Someone hit me with I
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didn't write down. His name was, uh was the Outsiders.
It's obviously called three and out. We're a little bit
of a you know, we beat to our own drumm
around here. I kind of like that the Outsiders. And
his logic was, you know, we're this isn't a traditional
like media. You didn't go to big JA school. You
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just kind of do your own thing, IM like I can't.
I kind of like that. So that's I wrote down
a couple and that's definitely one that, uh that stuck
out to me. Currently, Daniel Jeremiah has the draft for
the top six picks going like this, The Titans Abdul Carter,
the Browns Travis Hunter, the Giants cam Ward the Patriots
Will Campbell officer tackle OSU, the Jags Mason Graham defensive
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tackle Michigan and the Raiders Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
We all know who he is. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And would it be smart for the Raiders to get
a top free agent like Darnold if available, or Flacco
to help develop Shadoor if they end up? Well, here's
the thing. You don't control the draft, right, So when
you're the Raiders and you're at six, Shador could go
number one overall. What's just in a perfect world or
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in a hypothetical world, say that Shadoor Sanders is the
Titans favorite player.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I doubt he is, but let's just for this exercise.
If he goes number one overall and you are planning
on drafting him and all of a sudden, you don't
have a backup plan, So it's like getting Joe Flacco.
Getting Sam Donald is not necessarily to groom Shade or
sand You don't know if you're gonna be able to
draft shod or Sanders right unless you know during the
combine you're able to orchestrate a trade right before like
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free agency, so you already are drafting two.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But if you're not, I just think.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's the the way the league is set up. You
have to make your decisions on free agency before the
draft comes around. So last year when they signed Sam
Donald to ten million dollar contract in Minnesota, they had
no idea if they could get JJ McCarthy for sure.
They didn't even know on draft night if he was
going to be there. Remember that they weren't even drafting
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in the top ten, and it was hard for them
to trade up. Now, they probably had a good idea
he was going to be there, but there was no guarantee,
no guarantee at all. So I think that's always part
of it in terms of why you sign a quote
unquote bridge guy, it's because you don't know if you're
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gonna be able to draft a guy unless you're drafting
number one overall. Right, if the Titans were to sign
Joe Flacco, you could be like, well, they have a
backup plan in terms of like he could be the starter,
or maybe they'll just start Joe Flacco and draft of
Dual Carter. I know you've discussed this before, but I'm
curious where your stance is now. I feel like I'm
on an island here because everyone is all over McCarthy.
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Running it back with Darnold for one more year on
a tag or cheap deal without trading JJ seems like
a great option. But when I hear these bots online
thinking McCarthy is a lock to be an elite player makes.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Me shake my head.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Side note, if you ever want to get lit up
on this link, let me know. I don't know what
the link is. Oh on the links, Oh, I was like, yeah,
I think anytime that you assume a guy is gonna
be good, bad, you know, indifferent, like you have no
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clue with a rookie quarterback none. It's like, well, you
had an awesome preseason game, and it's true he looked
in the preseason game he made some sweet throws. But
to think that that just translates to real games against
like the Packers and the Lions. He is an assumption
and a mindset that can get you in a.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Lot of trouble.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
This was a player, you know, Kevin O'Connell throws the
ball a lot. I would say he's borderline addicted to
throwing the ball, which is not a bad thing when
he got Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. But he's gonna
live and die not just with with throwing the ball,
but deep shots like they pushed the ball down the
field like Google JJ McCarthy. I mean that's that wasn't
exactly how he played in college. Doesn't mean he can't
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play like that in the NFL, but he's got to
prove he can do it. We see a lot of
people in a lot of different industries like, yeah, this
should work, super smart, great, GPA. A high level guy
networks well, then you put him in a real life situation,
it doesn't go well. It's hard for young people. This
is hard. Should the Bears trade for Miles Garrett. I've
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been seeing a lot of Bears fans not wanting to,
and I'm in the minority. I think it's a no brainer.
They have three top forty five picks this year. They
could easily outbid any playoff team because the ten picks
is much more valuable than the twenties. Ideally, you would
like to be one hundred percent positive with your quarterback
moving forward. But I feel like Caleb has shown enough
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to where you still have a good chance he will
work out, and if he doesn't, you were kind of screwed.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
They aren't gonna have a good chance to get a
player on this level anytime soon. They have a first
overall pick on a rookie contract. Outside of the O
line and D line, the Bears don't have any pressing needs.
They have a ton of money to address the O
line in free agency, and Miles Garrett would instantly make
the Bears one of the best defense in the league
they came up. I asked some people last night, I'm like,
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what do you think about Miles Garrett?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Where do you think he's gonna go? And everyone said.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, rookie. Look at teams with rookie contracts or rookie
quarterback contracts because it is a game changing attribute to
have in building a team, and when you look at
their team, you go where do they need to improve
offensive line? But like you said, like you can draft
guards and centers with other picks not being your first
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round pick. Now part of having money to use. When
you trade for Miles Scarrett, you're paying Miles Garrett. Like
when you trade multiple first rounders for Miles Garrett, you're
you're giving him probably one hundred and thirty hundred and
forty million dollars guaranteed. So that's part of the thing.
I would say. I think all the teams in the
NFC North, the Packers, the Lions, the We'll see what
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you know, the Vikings could have a lot of money
if they just go to JJ. I think all four
teams are going to be heavily involved in Washington. And
what do they have in common? You know, obviously JJ McCarthy,
Caleb Williams, Jane Daniel, you know rookie quarterbacks. Another question
about the Bears trading for him. I'm telling you it's
one of those things that's like if they do officially
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put him on the market. I know he asked for
a trade, they claimed he's not. They're gonna have conversations,
and I would guess. I mean, there are some teams,
like the Chiefs, that they would trade for him in
a heartbeat, but they just financially can't.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean, it's just not.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's not a possibility right with the financial constraints.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But I would say any.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Team that even has a glimmer of hope in terms
of being able to fit it into their cap and
has the draft picks have already called the Browns what
would it cost. I know you said you're not gonna
trade them, but if you did, what would it cost?
If you did, what would a package look like? And
if you're interested, let us know. We would like to
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talk to his agent about, you know, creating an extension
for when we do trade for him.
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Big Broncos Fan, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on
the Broncos as a threat to the Chiefs and the
playoffs going forward. After watching us play them this year,
I can't help but think that we might have their number.
I was truly hoping that we got to face them
in the playoffs this year. In Knick's first game against Mahomes,
he arguably outplayed him and a block field goal away
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from winning the game. If we get him a few
more offensive weapons and he takes some steps forward, I
feel extremely confident in the Broncos. If we were to
face Kansas City in the playoffs, I think there's a
decent chance we are their biggest threat in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Your thoughts well.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
As I sit here in New Orleans for the Super Bowl,
the Chiefs are getting ready to strap it up on
Sunday for not their first, now their second, now their third,
not their fourth, their fifth super Bowl in six years.
So I have a hard time. I know you played
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him tight in a random regular season game, and you
got a good defense, you got a good head coach.
I saw Sean Payton was here hanging out with Gruden.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know this.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I mean he used to be his town for a
long period of time. I have a hard time going, yeah,
you know, the Broncos are going to be their biggest
contender again. It doesn't mean you can't play them well
moving forward. But part of being a Super Bowl contender
is it just like, oh, yeah, we match up well
against the Chiefs. You just got a curb stomp by
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the Bills. You think you match up with the Bills
and the Ravens. I mean, I have a let's just
let's just try to go back to back double digit
win seasons. That'd be a big accomplishment getting back to
the playoffs. I have a hard time saying that the
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Broncos with bow nicks are going to be the Chiefs
biggest foe in the AFC, especially when I mean the
Bills have gone toe to toe with them several times
and the Ravens did lose the game seventeen to ten.
The Chiefs played just in a lot of tight games.
So I'm not trying to you know, take a leak
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on your parade here, but.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I would pump the brakes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Another Broncos fan lifelong and Broncos fan, I gotta say
this was a much needed as far as finally taking
a step in the right direction. With that being said,
what would you say is the next step for the
Broncos to help bo Knicks for a sophomore season. I
think there are I think both AFC West teams to
take the next step. Defensively, they're gonna be good, right
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The Chargers probably got a little.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
More figure out on defense.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Both of them. To me get a legit bell cow
running back, you don't need Saquon Barkley, you don't need
Christian McCaffrey in his prime. But can you just get
a guy like Yeah, we feel just good about this
guy being our starter. This guy actually is a high
end starter. You know, when the Raiders drafted Josh Jacobs,
I think they took him in the mid twenties, and
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I think they are gonna be a ton of guys
and this is an excellent running back class. That can
you get a guy I don't know in the second
or third round, who's just your starting running back for
the next half decade and just is a threat to
go for thirteen, fourteen to fifteen hundred yards and a
guy that you can ride in big games, in cold
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weather games and just can have twenty to twenty five
carries throughout.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
The majority of the season.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think that is the number one key or one
of the biggest keys for the Chargers and the Broncos,
just to get a guy's like we got a sweet
running back. I heard you say the mount rushmore of
NFL coaches, but I rarely hear anyone speak of Joe
Gibbs in the same company of Bill Walsh, Andy Reid,
and Bill Belichicks. Gibbs won three Super Bowls in a
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ten season timeframe, and one with three different non Hall
of Fame quarterbacks. Then, against all odds, hopped over to NASCAR,
where he has won five championships as a car owner.
In my opinion, he's one of the greatest sports leaders
of all time, but I rarely hear his name mentioned.
I was wondering if you ever had an opinion as
to why was it because he was pretty non conventional
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of a quiet temperament, or didn't yell at his players.
Would love to hear your thoughts ps you should call
him the middleman. I like outsiders a lot more middlemen.
That's a good question about Joe Gibbs. I think there's
something about yelling and being an aggressive, confrontational human back
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in like the seventies and eighties. Like think of the
most famous coaches in the eighties, right Walsh. But Walsh
was like the offensive genius and then it was a
bunch of Parcels Screamer, Ditka, Buddy Ryan screamers. The Raiders won,
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but his coaches didn't get credit. Al Davis did. I
don't know's that's a great question because you're right when
it comes to like sporting lives. He's had an elite
sporting life three Super Bowls. I do wonder if like
the stink of Dan Snyder took away from everything they
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accomplished in the eighties, because when you think.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
About, like.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Some other franchises that started winning again were one in
the two thousands or twenty tens, it brings back up
to light what happened back in the day, like the
Giants winning their two Super Bowls. It kind of brings
back to light. You know, Parcels and Belichick in the
eighties with Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I'm trying to think of another example.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I think anytime that you win, it just puts your
franchise on a higher pedestal, and the coaches who are
behind winning previous kind of get mentioned and talked about.
And for multiple decades the Washington commanders were so bad
and you start going generations of people like I don't
remember Joe Gibbs as a coach at all. So it's like,
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I'm a good example of if Washington. If Washington and
Philadelphia flip flopped, and Washington had been the Eagles for
the last twenty plus years and won a lot, I
think we would talk a lot more about Joe Gibbs.
That's just a guess too. A great name would be
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the Kafia. Credit goes to the YouTube. Come that section
the Kaffia. I don't hate that. Since you're able to
golf year round, you're so lucky. Could you tell the
pod what's in your bag this upcoming year? Thank you
for the sports Life.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
We'll do that on another podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's actually not I've had the same clubs for years.
Is it crazy to think Tom Brady, a Michigan man,
had extra incentive to pay Chip Kelly because it would
take away from Ohio State. Now because Ryan Day, chip
Kelly was high, like the highest or one of the
highest paid coordinators in college football. So whoever Ryan Day
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wants to fill in his role, like if he wants
to steal someone from another program, he will. I just
think that they looked around, they couldn't get a couple
guys that they wanted. And as someone told me last night,
I don't know the guy's name, but one of the
people with Brady that bought in to the Raiders is
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super rich and is cutting massive checks for all this
shit like that. This is not Mark Davis three years ago,
before the Brady venture capitalist acquisition of a percentage of
his team, would not have given chip Kelly six million dollars.
I got news for you. No one else in the
NFL would have done that. But they know Bill Simmons
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calls it this new owner syndrome. Well, they got this
guy who's flushed with cash, who I think Pete Carroll
probably said, we're a little desperate here. I don't have
many good options, and they gave him six million dollars,
which is the highest paid coordinator in the NFL. That's
more money than Steve Spagnola and Vic Fangio, like, that's
to me pretty crazy, But I don't think it had
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anything to do with Ohio State. I think he had
more to do with they started looking around the landscape.
They weren't comfortable with any of the guys that were
going to hire, and they thought he was the best option,
which I still think is kind of crazy to me.
Someone else brought up the name the Scouts, the Outsiders,
the Scouts, I might as well distortedly clothing brand and
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use all these the.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Crew of the K.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Scouts Outsiders first time Dmer. I live in Tucson, crossing
my fingers to see you randomly on a golf course
in Scoutsdale one of these days. I remember a couple
of years ago you saying, and when you first started
as a Scout, you got to pick up and take
players at the airport. I was wondering if you could
share any funny, crazy stories from those times. I would say,
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for the most part, when you were picking up veteran players,
they were relatively quiet or cool, like if you were
signing a veteran player, bring them in for a workout.
If we didn't sign them, take them back. They acted
I don't remember anything out of the ordinary at all
when you would have those things. And I'm sure you
see these headlines the top thirty visits meaning you can
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bring in thirty guys in the draft class to your facility.
And it doesn't mean like your top thirty players. It
could be guys in the second, third, fifth round, character questions,
people you want to meet, and one thing, I remember
a group of like three or four guys taking them
back to the airport, and then I forget exactly what
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the conversation was, but I remember it not being great.
And anytime, you know how he used to call kind
of a con man if you showed up to a
top thirty visit in a three piece suit, like you
should show up to the top thirty visit in normal clothes, right, Honestly,
you could wear a sweatsuit of your college team, let alone,
(36:17):
just pair of jeans and a tea shirt and hoodie.
But if you show up and you're a character red
flag to the top thirty visit in a suit, that
is a major red flag. It's like, bro, what are
we doing here? And I remember a guy in a suit.
I forget the player. There were several players. It was
like from the same college team. They had a bunch
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of draftable players and a couple of them were kind
of question marks. And I remember them saying, like, just
start talking to each other in the back because they
were college teammates, and thinking like, I'm taking some metal
notes and I'm gonna tell these guys when i get back.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
We obviously didn't draft them.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I don't think a guy had a long career, but
I think sometimes you know, for these guys, you're just
you're just trying to convince there's so much money in
the line if you've been in trouble, or if you're
just a bad guy, right and you're just not a
just someone that like your coach doesn't like you in college,
like you just got a lot of redfu. It doesn't
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mean as time goes on you won't mature in life,
but you know, you just start kind of putting on
a con and you pretend to be something you're not,
and then once you relax.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You kind of turn. It's like a politician.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I always think with politicians, like are they actually like
this or it's just the camera's on. The camera's off.
It's like they're off, you know, It's like twenty twenty,
The Master Wrong. When the cameras are on, the cameras
off boom, that thing comes off. Same thing with these
guys trying to convince a team that whatever happened to
them in college is not actually who they are. It's
just a bad moment, and I think, you know, sometimes
(37:51):
they they kind of drop their focus level on who's listening,
and maybe just a younger guy drive him around, a
guy in their twenties not as focused, and you just
drop character and all of a sudden you say something
that you don't even realize you said, and it gets back.
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Are we finally going to see a Mahomes behind the
back pass in the Super Bowl? I would doubt it.
I mean, I think if you get a Mahomes behind
the back pass, it would more than likely be out
of desperation, not because he's trying to do it behind
(38:32):
the back pass. You can't afford, you know, if the
thing hits off his back and it's a fumble. Turnovers
are too big of a deal in the playoffs to
risk something like that. Love the show, listen. I do
have a question as far as the Chiefs receiving favorable calls.
I'd be interested if a stat can be pulled on
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the Chiefs drives in regular season and playoffs that were
continued by a third down penalty and resulted in a score,
I'd be interested to see when they where they stand
compared to other teams in the NFL and that stat.
I know it sounds nuanced, but it feels like it
would be a huge indicator of favorable calls. I saw
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someone break down like the Bills had more fifteen yard
penalties called throughout the season than the Chiefs. Like you said,
this is the playoffs, I would guess in general, if
you have a personal foul called on a drive, the
percentage chance that you are going to score points goes
(39:36):
up exponentially. You know, whatever your whatever your drive chart
is to score a field goal plus right, let's just
say it's I'm just going to pick a number. Thirty
five to forty percent, right, is the percentage of times
that you score on a drive. So like a little
under half, either either a touchdown or a field goal.
(39:56):
If you get a fifteen yard penalty on a drive.
So about now the new kickoff role. If you start
at the thirty or the thirty five yard line, if
you get a fifteen yard penalty, especially if you've already
got like a first down, you're already close, like not
that far away from the red zone. Like if you
start at the thirty five and you've gotten a first down,
you're like the forty eight and all of a sudden
you get a first down. I mean, you're close to,
(40:18):
like the thirty five yard line. You're like a first
down away from being in the red zone. So fifteen
yard penalty fuels only one hundred yards, and you're not
starting at zero most of the time, at minimum, you're
starting now with the new kickoff role, it's very rare
to see someone started at the twenty, So you're probably
pretty close to the twenty five or the thirty yard line.
So if I just give you a free fifteen yards,
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you're pretty fucking close to midfield. That's my issue with
and I think pass interference of some of these, I
do believe the passing interference should go to a fifteen
yard penalty, because when I get a pass interference, even
if it is pass interference, if you get a free
thirty forty yards, like that's that just seems ridiculous to me.
(41:05):
Will the NFL ever consider holding the super Bowl on
a Saturday. I feel like it could become an even
bigger event than it already is. It's a good question,
you know, if you're not going to have the super
Bowl before a holiday, I would say a large percentage
of people have to go to work on Monday morning.
(41:26):
And I don't know about you, I do not like
being hungover on a Monday morning. So if you really
want to get after it and enjoy yourself, it is much.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Easier to do on a Friday night or Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Right. So if they had it on Saturday night, would
the ratings?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Would less people watch?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I don't think they would, because, like you said, you
would build It's not like a random Saturday.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I was like, oh, the super bowls on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
You would know all year long, so your life would
be built around that. Now, I think the pushback might
be some people with you know, kids, events happen on
Saturday that are out of your control. But it's a
night game. I'm not a posed to that. I do
wonder if there's just the NFL is a Sunday sport.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Sunday's their day.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
There's something with consumer habits that play on Sunday. It's
always a little weird, even when in December when they
start playing on Saturdays. There's got to be something to
just habits of the viewer. I hear what you're saying.
I would doubt that they ever do move that though,
huge Eagles fan. With Kellen more likely to leave for
(42:41):
the Saints. Who do you think are some of the
best candidates for the OC job? Mike McCarthy. I love
the show, keeping with the good work. I think it's
gonna be I think all signs point to being I
think Kevin Petullo. I might be saying his name wrong,
but I'm pretty sure he is currently. Uh. He's the
(43:05):
pass game coordinator for the Eagles. So he's worked with
Sirianni with the Colts, where he was the wide receiver coach.
He joined the Eagles when Sirianni got the job as
the pass game coordinator. Now he's the pass game coordinator
associate head coach. I think all signs point to him
being the next offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Uh, listen, I.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Mean anytime that you have one of these things happened.
The one thing why they like Kellen Morris he had
called play for a long time. And the other thing
is he had called plays for a long time in
the division. Now the division changed. But when dan Quinn
went to the Cowboys, like we'll think who Kellen Moore
was up against the practice. So he's used to them,
(43:50):
you know, the Giants personnel, he's very comfortable with that.
And anytime you go with the first time play caller,
remember the Eagles did it with Brian Johnson. Now, granted,
I think Brian johnsonid call plays in college for the
for Utah, but it was a first time play caller
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
It gets it's just risk.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
But if you make that move, I would imagine that
you're comfortable with his relationship with the quarterback, with the personnel,
with Howie the donor likes you.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
So I think that all factors in. But you know,
by all.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Accounts, it looks like it's going to be him. We'll
see if I can find a couple more Bears fan
win on this this offseason, whether it be free agency
or the draft, we're looking for bolstering both sides of
the line of scrimmage. One name that's been out there
in terms of free agency is Tray Smith. I've had
(44:47):
my eye on Trey Smith since he was a rookie
and noticed he's one of the few linemen in the
NFL that is an absolute mastadon that plays with violence
the way Trent Williams. My only concern is he's now
going to play in his third trade Super Bowl? Does
that factor in that he's played three extended seasons consecutively,
(45:09):
because any cause, any concern if you were going to
sign him, he was a player that came up last
night as well. By all accounts, people think that his
I asked, like could he get seventy million dollars on
the open market? Like could he get a four year,
one hundred million dollar contract? Was sixty to seventy guaranteed.
(45:29):
A lot of people thought that, you know, his number
is going.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
To be over twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
So no, it's not going to as long as he
does not get injured in the Super Bowl. He is
going to break the bank this offseason. And I think
it's going to be difficult for the Chiefs to keep him.
Not and they love him, they don't like him, they
love him, but it's just it gets expensive. I mean,
cats they want to keep him, but all of a
sudden he hits free agency. I mean a lot of
(45:57):
people think the Bears. Ryan Poles know some it's expensive.
I mean the Chiefs tried to sign him last year
and he said no because a team friendly deal. I
think I'm gonna get paid and he ain't wrong, So
I think the Bears. But they're gonna have competition. I
mean there are a lot of teams. Look at Washington, like,
(46:18):
they got a lot of money. They give you some players.
Look at Minnesota, they got a lot of money. They
give you some offensive lineman. Look at the Patriots, they
got a lot of money. They could use some offensive lineman.
His market people thought it was nuts. When I said, like,
I think he's gonna could he get eighty million dollars guaranteed?
He's like, oh no. I'm like, there is so much
(46:39):
money out there and it's just gonna be a bidding process.
Like how do some of these houses, Like oh, went
on the market for a million? They ended up getting
one too well, three people wanted it, and they kept
bitting against each other and drove the price up. That's
what happens in free agency. That's why these guys get
paid so much money. That's why when players take early
deals with they don't get as much because there's no
(47:02):
one bidding for their services beside the team. Well, think
who's bidding on you when you're I mean, he's gonna
be one of the best free agents at a position
where teams are desperate for offensive linemen. It's like, well,
he's one of the best offensive linemen for the best
team in the league, who's a high character, like you said, badass.
(47:23):
It's like, wait, he's a starter on a dynasty, whose
character is elite, whose play style is violence and aggressive,
and he's blocked for one of the great players in
league history.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I think he's going to be one of the top
free agents for a lot of teams that have money,
because there any team could use a guy like Tray Smith.
And like you said, you know the Bears, I would
imagine he might be their number one target, But are
they willing to.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Break the bank for him?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I would imagine Ben Johnson, who just came from the Lions,
where offensive line was pretty freaking good and was a
huge reason they were so good, is going to be
all over this guy. So yeah, Tray Smith, Bears, I
think a lot of people are gonna start circling that,
But they're gonna have a lot of competition for services.
Appreciate everyone listening. We'll be back in Scottsdale tomorrow night
(48:21):
and we'll record a little open for the podcast I
did with Stucky and we will talk soon.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
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