3 & Out - Jimmy Haslam on Shedeur Sanders, Deebo VS. Terry, Happy Gilmore 2 REVIEW - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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talk some football today, from Deebo Samuel to the Browns.
Their owner talked to Dion Sanders defeating cancer. I also,
instead of just doing a golf by itself, because once
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with Jimmy Haslin, who randomly on my YouTube feed on
my home feed, his press conference just popped up like
an hour after the fact, so I just watched it,
and I gotta say, he's pretty convincing, like you watch him,
even though I believe some of the things he said

(04:03):
aren't necessarily true. He's pretty's, he's pretty smooth in front
of the mic. He's a smooth operator. Got a little
politician to him because he mentioned something that I thought,
I just don't believe. And it gets back to what
we had talked about during the draft when it came
to Shadoor Sanders, and he claimed that he had nothing

(04:24):
to do with it, that it was his GM and
head coach, but specifically his GM who was in charge
of running the draft. Jimmy Haslum said he was driving
home on Friday night, never crossed his mind, that's after
the third round, that they were gonna draft Shadoor Sanders
the next day, even when he showed up and they
met before the draft started, didn't think it was gonna happen,

(04:44):
and then a couple rounds later, Shador Sanders on their team.
Here's why I have a hard time believing this, because
let's just put the Browns moves in sequence, right. Obviously,
they signed Flacco on the offseason when they know that
Deshaun Watson is gone and his career is over, and
Jimmy Haslam calls Deshaun Watson a swing and a miss.
The one thing I appreciate about any human being, and

(05:07):
I don't know any who have ever been given a
two hundred and thirty million dollar contract, every penny guaranteed
good or bad, which DeShawn got. Even once your owner
says that you are a swing and miss, you get married.
After that comment, you invite that guy that gave you
two hundred and thirty million dollars to your wedding. There
was a picture of Jimmy Haslam at the wedding, so listen.

(05:29):
I commend to Sean for that, because that's what any
normal human would do. You could say whatever you want
about me, if you gave me two hundred and thirty
million dollars, you will be at my wedding. Shit. You
might be friend and centered, I might make you my
best man. But here's what doesn't make any sense. They
sign Joe Flacco, they trade for Kenny Pickett, then in

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the first round, they make a trade which gives them
an extra first round pick the following year for a
team that I'm sure they're Ivy League. Guy run some models,
has the Jags probably missing the playoffs, and has the
Jags potentially giving them a pick that's pretty valuable. I
would also guess if they ran their own models on

(06:12):
their own team, not gonna go well either, and probably
a top ten pick. So they're gonna have two really
good picks in what looks like to be a good
quarterback draft, which most good front offices have somewhat of
a feel for the strengths and weaknesses of the following
year's draft before that draft starts, because part of being

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a GM, unlike a coach, you don't live week to week.
You live year to year, and a good one views
it through like a three, four, five year lens. So
when you draft a quarterback in the third round, when
you already have Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett on the roster,
it makes absolutely no sense to draft another quarterback in

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that second or third day, not just because of the
logistics of getting guys on the field. This is not
defensive line or wide receiver linebacker where you can have
multiple guys and rotate during the same plays. Only one
quarterback can play. But clearly, based on their board, they
had Dylan Gabriel above Shadoor Sanders. They like Dylan because

(07:18):
they had the opportunity to draft either one of them
in the third round. They chose Dylan Gabriel. So if
you pick the one that you liked more, which listen,
this is a subjective perfession. I'm not saying they're right
or wrong with that. I viewed Shador Sanders as a
better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They did not, And
I bet if you went around the league people be

(07:38):
all over the map. But that doesn't matter. They showed
us who they liked more. They literally drafted the guy.
So now you have a forty year old Flacco who
doesn't need practice or reps, but you know, can start
games for you. You have Kenny Pickett, who I'm sure
Kevin Stefanski liked coming out of the draft. They got
for nothing and they go, listen, we actually think this
guy has some characteristics in our offense, especially for a

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decent running team. There might be something there. And then
Dylan Gabriel, a guy we liked in the draft that
if you take a guy in the third round, you
probably think, hey, ideally back up, but who knows, maybe
he's got some upside to be a starter. You wouldn't
take another guy in the fifth round. This isn't linebacker,
this isn't safety, this is not offense. You don't do that.
So it makes no sense from a roster building standpoint.

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And while I do believe that the Browns get away
with doing some like low character stuff more than other
teams because I oh, two IVY League guys to two
guys Ivy leaguers, high level guys, and listen, I think
they're smart guys, but they picked players. Sometimes it's not
that much different, like Al Davis in the eighties, But

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we don't really tell. Jimmy Haslam gets all the blame,
not the GM. I was talking to a buddy of
mine for another team that like, we got a front
office group chat, and we're always saying, like, these guys
take no criticism for taking major character Risks. I did
see TMZ tweet her phone call for Jenkins. Listen, I'm
not one to point fingers. Who knows only those two know.

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But last year they took Hall, the defensive lineman who
didn't even make it through training camp without an issue
with a gun pointed at his fiance, which again that
happened because he pled like he went on probation, like
he had in trouble for it. They suspended him for it.
This one. We'll see how this situation plays out. And
again Jenkins was not a characteristic when you ask people

(09:30):
around the league. But regardless like they have issues that
it feels like other teams simply don't and the owner
takes a lot of shit. And it felt like today like, guys,
I have nothing to do with this. They picked the players.
I don't tell them to pick the players. This quarterback one,
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. He can say
whatever he wants and listen you watch him talk. He's
smooth at saying it. I just don't believe him because

(09:52):
I can't imagine a GM given their situation. Given even
from a moneyball standpoint, it doesn't work like that at quarterback.
The one time we've seen it. I remember how big
of a deal it was when they took RG three
second and they took Cousins in the fourth round. And
as information came out, why did that happen because Kyle

(10:13):
the Shanahan family did not want RG three. They wanted
to take k Kirk Cousins. I thank Kyle would have
taken him at ten. Remember they traded up to two,
but he wanted to take him in the second round.
He said, let's take another player and take this guy
in the second round. The owner wouldn't let him. This
owner has proven to get involved. He got involved with
Deshaun Watson, and I think it's pretty clear that he
got involved here. Now. The one thing he said, which

(10:34):
I don't blame him for getting involved. If that's the
case with this one, coaches will live week to week.
They will try to win every single game. Nothing is
more famous than the Flores Steven Ross situation. He's like,
He's like, Brian, we're trying to get Joe Burrow, you know,
the guy that will change our franchise. We already suck.
I will pay you one hundred grand a loss. Let's

(10:56):
keep losing games. And what Brian Flores do won a
game against Cincinnati Bengals in overtime when three of his
last five games they ended up with Tua. The Bengals
ended up with Joe Burrow. Hell, they could have taken Herbert.
They didn't even draft the right guy, but it simply
was not the right move. The Browns are gonna suck.
They're not gonna be any good. We all understand that. Now.
Are they gonna be like a one win team? Obviously,

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they got good players on their team. They got some
young talented players on their team, but their quarterback situation
is a disaster. And Jimmy Haslam was asked about does
Kevin understand that, like we got to see the young
guys play before we have to make a decision next year.
He said, yeah, Kevin understands that, so which he should. Like,
no one wants to see Joe Flacco on a three

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and seventeen right, play Dylan Gabriel, play you door Sanders.
Here's what's pretty clear. And Kenny Pickett pulled his hamstring,
which not an ideal injury for a quarterback. Right, Like,
if you put your hamstring, that means you're running around.
It's like, Kenny, you're not Lamar Jackson. So it's like
that's an injury that I got red flagged a little bit,
you know. Uh. But at the end of the day,

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Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco better really enjoy the game
reps they get in September, because I would say start
in early October when it's pretty clear this team probably
does not have high hopes, especially when you factor in
the division they play. I would start rotating these guys.
I'd say, Gabriel gets a get game, and if you
do well, you keep playing. If you don't, Schdoor comes in,
he gets again. If he's playing, he'll play the next game.

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If he doesn't, we'll just go back and forth, almost
treat him like starting pitchers. But I would say everything
is on the table with these two players, and I
think having those two first round picks, especially if Jacksonville
underachieves this year as historically they typically do, I would
expect the Browns to take a quarterback really high. In
twenty twenty six, Deebo Samuel had a comment today which

(12:45):
I thought was pretty interesting and I don't even necessarily disagree.
He said, I still have something left in the tank,
which is crazy. He's not thirty eight years old. I
think he's like twenty seven to twenty eight. You know,
he's not as old as maybe he's twenty nine because
he was a senior coming out of college. But this
isn't like Larry Fitzgerald here. You know, this is a
guy who, Yeah, I hope he still has something in

(13:05):
the tank. But I started thinking Adam Peters approached his offseason,
which I commend him for taking this approach. I'm not
gonna pay Christian Wilkins type guys one hundred and thirty
cents on the dollar and regret these contracts in a
couple of years, just because I got Jayden Daniel's contract
and I got room to deal with. I'm gonna use

(13:27):
some draft capital for guys that I actually think I
can get that make a lot of money that we
can fit inside our cap. But get for fourth round picks,
get for a fifth round pick, get for a third
round pick, my starting left tackle, my starting wide receiver.
I'm like, Okay, I like what you're doing there, Larrmy
Tunzel deal. I would make that move one hundred times
out of one hundred if I'm Atam Peters. The Deebo thing,
which I get he was around some of Deebo's best moments.

(13:51):
I'm sure he was a huge part of scouting him
coming out of college and knows him really well. I'm
pro Deebo Samuel, like I even understand the move. Here's
the problem. When you make a move like that, it's
set out a signal to your star wide receiver one.
It's like, am I even your guy? Right? Because you're
not paying me? And in a weird way, it's not
Deebo's fault, but Deebo's also in a contract year. So

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Debo's coming in there knows that the GM like he's
one of the GMS guys. And if you're Terry McLaurin,
you start thinking, am I not one of their guys?
They don't want to pay me? Now obviously the money,
like I'm not gonna pay you forty million dollars a year,
But I do have to wonder if looking back at
the Deebo Samuel trade, if that sparks some I don't
even want to say animosity, but mclaurin's brain to go.

(14:36):
And then obviously the contracts get weird with DK metcalf
and he starts thinking like I need way more money.
And now they're in a situation where listen, I do
think debo. If I was a betting man, I think
he's gonna have some moments this year. But this Debo thing,
if he doesn't have moments, and it's created this weird
spot for Terry even he'll eventually play because he's not

(14:56):
gonna give up, you know, whatever his salary is this year,
like sixteen million in cash. What if you don't get
the carry they gave you thirteen touchdowns and the guy
who was all in team captain. You get a guy,
because we're all human beings, who has resentment, who's mad
at the situation, who thinks he's getting screwed, even sometimes
when you're not getting screwed, when you're in your own head.
And I can only imagine the athletics situation. In music,

(15:21):
you get some of these managers and everyone that has
their hand in your cookie jar starts feeding into that, right,
feeding it. Most of us, especially when you're younger, our
parents are the opposite. It's like, pull your head out
of your ass, right, this is not a way to
operate where I think sometimes these guys getting situations where
their boy, their agent, their managers, like fuck these guys
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Dion, who gave the press conference yesterday, and I think
a lot of us and maybe I just kind of
believed like some social media headlines, but it's not I
would say it's a little abnormal to have a press
conference with your medical team. He had already been kind
of an undisclosed sickness. I kind of thought there was
like above a fifty percent chance he was gonna retire

(17:52):
or just quit and just say he was sick. He
couldn't do it. Vany did the opposite. He said he
got bladder cancer, He removed the bladder, he defeated, he
did the cancer, and he's back and he's coaching. And
I've often thought one I can't even imagine, as someone
whose dad has been dead for a while now, the
one thing, whether you agreed or disagreed, or thought the

(18:13):
hype or whatever, like, I have a soft spot for
just a dad coaching his son. And I can't even imagine.
In Division one football, you're Deon Sanders, one of the
most famous best football players of all time, you get
to coach both your sons right who you know, Shador
drafted and obviously Shiloh's at an NFL camp right now.

(18:34):
It had to be some of the coolest weeks, days,
years of his life coaching his two kids for two
years at Colorado, playing on ESPN in front of five
eight I mean, they were doing huge television ratings. It
was awesome from just a human aspect of being able
to coach your children. But I also wondered, like, once
his kids leave, especially his Shador, who's his quarterback, was

(18:58):
he doing this because he's a football guy. He loves football,
but he also gets to be his kid around his kids.
If you follow them on social media, and Travis was
essentially like his kid too. They were always in his office,
they were always hanging out. Well, then all those guys
are gone now, right, Travis, Schador, Shiloh all gone. Now
he's coaching your kids, my kids, not my kids, because

(19:19):
my kid won't be Division one athlete more likely. Who knows.
Don't underestimate him. Maybe he's tough, maybe he's got a
little rooty in them, but just he's coaching other people's
kids that he didn't just grow up around. These aren't
like his people he'd known for a long long time.
Would the fire still be there? Does he still want
to coach? If you get cancer and you have that

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cancer removed and your children are gone in the NFL,
and not only do you want to keep coaching, like
you're driven to get healthy to coach this upcoming season.
I mean, Deon's in it to win it. I mean
if there was ever a question like does he really
want to do this? Do you really think he's driven
to like get to an SEC school or an ACC

(20:02):
school or whatever, Like, yeah, I think he is one
hundred percent not going away. And I also wonder if
last year he had Warren sapp to the d line coach.
This year Marshall Folks is running back coach. Now some
of his boys are on the staff. Maybe those guys
in a different way kind of fill the void of
the like his his you know, second family type. But

(20:24):
I'm happy Dion. You know's we need characters and that's
what football has. Obviously, the players in all these sports
are the stars, but football more than any of these
other sports. They're coaches, College and pros are as big
of television characters in this reality show that is the
world of pro and college football as important as basically

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any player beside a couple quarterbacks, and Dion is very,
very valuable to college football. So I'm glad he's okay.
As someone who's lost a many of family members to
different types of cancer, I can't imagine it was extremely scary.
You know Dion's he's had the foot issue with the

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turf toe dating back to college or the pros where
he had to get toes chopped off. I think multiple toes.
Now he had this cancer. Say this for you know,
Dion might not have liked to tackle, but he's a
tough sp So I'm happy that Dion's doing okay. And last,
but not least, I saw I was at my desk

(21:30):
earlier today and I saw that Pat McAfee had on
Nick Cassario, the general manager of the Houston Texans, and
he was messing with him a little bit, saying like,
have you seen these clips of Anthony Richardson? He's trying
to you know, Pat's a Colt Sky and I guess
Anthony Richmond had some highlight passes in training camp, like
that's kind of the defining attribute of his career, like

(21:51):
a highlight pass, Like are you're a good player? But
his point was like are you keeping track of everything
that's not only going on in your division but around
the NFL? And it was just it was just a
real question to Casario, like are you you watching all
this stuff? And Casario essentially said yeah. And I think
what people don't understand is one of the big jobs

(22:12):
of the front office, starting with the GM, with your
pro director or your director of player personnel, and then
your in house scouts. You divvy up the NFL. So
if I'm the Houston Texans, obviously your opponents. You have
a pro scout that usually advances your opponent. So if
I'm let's I'm gonna use the Niners for an example,
because this is it's easy for me. I fall in

(22:33):
the closest. If I'm John Schneider in the Seattle Seahawks
and we play the forty nine Ers week one, the
guy that is going to do the advance report for
my coaching staff on the forty nine Ers one of
his teams. Let's say he has eight teams. During training camp,
We've split up the teams throughout the league, three or
four scouts, eight to ten teams per scout, maybe maybe

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less six seven six. They follow the team the way
I would approach it in twenty twenty five, I would
make a Twitter account just for work, and I would
follow all the beat writers of all my teams, because
I think that's probably the modern day newspaper. And I
would also follow on YouTube and on Instagram all the teams,

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so anytime they had interviews, all the press conferences, and
you basically just consume all this stuff before the preseason
game starts to keep notes on everything that's going on
at camp. For the Niners, for example, the veteran guys
that you know are going to make the team. You're
just keeping tabs. Juwan Jennings pulled his calf boom. We're

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monitoring his situation, how long he misses today, Ricky Piersoll
misses practice boom. Mikel Williams, the eleventh overall pick, misspractice
day ankle taking notes. You know, all those guys are
going to make the team, right and most players, maybe
some rookies, but veteran guys don't play as much in
the preseason. What you're really monitoring is from basically the

(23:56):
fourth round through undrafted free agents. Your keeping tabs before
the game start of what people are saying about them,
what the coaching staff, the head coach and the coordinators,
the way they talk about them in press conferences. Listen,
you know, you got to take it for what it is.
But the beat writers that are at practice either posting
videos or tweeting about this guy looks really good, this

(24:18):
guy looks really bad, and just taking notes on, Hey,
this guy's been making some plays in practice. You know,
we got to keep tabs on this guy. And then
when the preseason games start, you spend all your time
evaluating their entire draft beside the first couple rounds because
those guys aren't going to potentially get cut. And then
the practice squad guys from the previous year because all

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these guys, right, you have a ninety man roster, well,
only fifty three can make the team. And like I said,
you already have a ton of veteran guys on the
team that are basically locks. So there are I'm just
gonna pick a number twenty guys for eleven spots. You
know eight are going to be available. And what if
some of those eight are guys that actually have some talent,
maybe you like coming out in the draft, that made

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some plays during preseason they were just hoping to put
on the practice squad at a position that maybe your
team needs. You're like, hey, this guy could be our
fifth wide receiver. So basically every team in the league
as of late July is really monitoring. I would say
it used to be when I was in the league,
like the newspapers, we would have these things called clips,

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and they would just cut for every team, the Redskins,
the Eagles, the Cowboys, all the articles every single day
on a clip, so it could be multiple pages, and
then you would just look through it. You use Pro
Football Talk, you use roadal World, and you just accumulate
all this information. It's kind of like a running diary
on each team leading up to the preseason games. Then

(25:43):
you evaluate the players and now it's way easier. You
just like watch eighty seven, watch twenty two, and you
can just watch all their cutups and then when a
guy gets cut, you have grades on them, and after
a couple of preseason games, you start funneling that information
to your GM. So your GM has a list of
maybe the top fifty guys. Your scouting department goes, hey,

(26:04):
this guy might get cut. I think he's pretty good.
We should hear are twenty seven plays he's had in
the preseason. You should watch him, and then if it's
pretty interesting, you have your coaching staff watch him, so
you know, like, hey, should we cut our last offensive
lineman to claim this guy who can play garden center
and you could play that game at any position. Quarterback's

(26:25):
a little different, but definitely O line D line. I mean,
let's face it, not a lot of good line and
D linemen are getting cut. But if you see a
guy with physical traits that you think your offensive line
coach can work with maybe your offensive line coach, like
that guy in the draft and he was a fifth
round pick and you guys would have take him in
the sixth round, and then he gets cut in training camp,

(26:47):
maybe you think about claiming him. And even if you
don't claim him, maybe you try to bring him on
your practice squad. Because once a guy is practice squad,
like Clears Waivers, any practice squad can take him. So
this is a time right now of just research and
information accumulation. So that is all these front officers are doing.
Most college scouts within the next week will be kind

(27:09):
of sent out to you to their kind of their
areas and we'll start going to training camps for Texas
and USC and Oregon and Alabama and kind of focus
on that. But your in house crew three or four
guys with your GM really focus on the league and
then you really kind of cut down that information with

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individual players, maybe your coordinators and your head coach, but
your coaching staff is not even they don't mess with
that really at all. Maybe a head coach does ahead,
like especially a veteran head coach like an Andy Reid
when Belichick was in the league, a Pete Carroll like
they're juggling at all. But like this, the younger coordinators

(27:50):
like Kevin O'Connell and Kyle Shanahan, they are much more
focused on the team, the scheme, and obviously they talk
to their GM of like giving him, Hey, I don't
like our running back depth. We gotta really and then
that information gets kind of given back out, hey we
got to really focus on running back and corners. But
you really utilize, you know, the beat reporters that are

(28:14):
at these practices, and there are you know, some consistent
guys that have been beat reporters and covered teams for
decades that you just feel pretty good about like getting information.
Especially sometimes it's like, hey, they're kind of down on
so and so, and it might be like a fifth
year veteran guard you're like, hey, I actually think that guy.

(28:36):
I know they got some younger guys on their team,
but he might start for our team. So you kind
of have to have a feel like the way Warren
Buffett and Charlie Munger and those guys look at the
stock market is the way gms in front offices look
at rosters. It's all about who's trending up, who's trending down. Financially,

(28:56):
who's overpaid, which might cause cause them to get cut.
But who is a guy that's so cheap even if
he's trending down, They're gonna keep on the roster because
economically it makes sense. Would this guy maybe they're over
this veteran player, like with the Dolphins. You know, obviously
they're star level names, like the Dolphins might trade Tyreek Hill.
I'm not saying they would, but I'm just saying they might.

(29:19):
But guys like that, which my mom probably knows about,
they're a lot more under the radar type, Like, Hey,
this guy was a fifth rounder two years ago. He's
been on the practice squad. We really liked him. He's
not gonna make our team. Listen, I know you guys
like him. Would you trade a seventh round pick for him?
Or hell, would you trade I see, you got five
running backs that you think Doll could make the team.

(29:40):
We need a running back. We don't need this linebacker
who you like. Could we flop the two guys? You
trade me the running back for the linebacker. Like that
starts happening, especially, you know, probably a week into the preseason,
because once these pads come on, it starts separating. It's
like that, and I thought we were a little better
at D line. I don't love our group, right, I
thought our corners were a little bit better. We got
couple injuries. We suck, We need we need to add somebody.

(30:04):
So your mind really starts working like that as over
the next week in pads and then especially as you
get into a joint practice into a preseason game, that
really starts to I would say, crystallize a roster slash
depth chart, which the coach is just so enamored with
with the GM, but the GM is also trying to

(30:25):
balance like the rest of the league, to like keep
tabs on everything. So there's just a lot of moving parts.
It's why it's so impossible that we'll never see any
more of the GM head coach like those days. It's
not even it's not even possible. There's not enough time
in the day, especially with expanded rosters ninety man, there's
so many people out There's just a lot going on.
It's just a really really busy time. But right those

(30:47):
first couple of weeks before the preseason game start are
like you can just it's pretty easy to kind of
keep track of everything. Once the preseason games start going on.
You're trying to evaluate players, you're keeping information you got
in injuries happening, you just you got your own team
you're trying to help evaluate because typically, you know, you
kind of break up the evaluation of your roster from

(31:08):
a front office standpoint. You know, scouts get different positions,
maybe multiple positions. You meet with the coaches and you're
kind of a part of those personnel meetings in that
in the long you know, the long kind of table,
the meeting tables that most most NFL teams have, kind

(31:29):
of those big corporate rooms where you could fit like
thirty people in and have those meetings that we've seen
hard knocks forever, which we see less and less. But
it's a great time of year. I mean, I can't
even imagine looking back, it's impossible to keep up with
the entire league at a high level. So it's why
you have to break it down in smaller either quadrants

(31:50):
or five, six, seven teams per team, and the GM
tries to get like a big macro version and then
gets individual information kind of like shot up to him
through his people. It's why we talk a lot about
hiring the right people. It's no different you know, with
the coaching staff, you got to depend on your coordinators,
your position coaches. No different as a gym. You got

(32:11):
to you got to feel really good about your pro scouts,
your college scouts, because they're feeding you all this information
and they get to kind of decipher what's important and
what's not important, what we need, and also the way
you think, the way we look at players, what we
value in players on and off the field. I saw
Sean Payton today talked about signing Sutton and to a

(32:32):
big deal, and he said, when did you know? He
said early on when I first got the job, And
the first things he said were not size or speed
or high pointing ball. It was work, ethic, leadership, things
that these coaches value. Given how much money's on the
line right now, is the intangible stuff. It's why you know,
trying to keep tabs on. It's why your college scouts

(32:55):
are so important. Because if this dude was drafted in
the seventh round two years ago and really liked him
and he's gonna be available, well, what was the character
right up we had on this guy? Because oh I
remember why I fell in the seventh round? Questionable character?
Yeah I can play, but do we want that guy
in our locker room. Do you want him trying to
make out of people's foreheads like in Vegas? No, we don't.

(33:16):
So fun time of year for the NFL front offices. Okay,
let's transition to a little golf talk. We usually do

(33:38):
a golo pod by itself, but with football season, I'm
just gonna combine them. So I will do the second
half of some of these podcasts if I'm gonna do
anything golf related, and we'll just put on the back
end of any football talk on a given week. Obviously,
Happy Gilmore two is shattering records on Netflix. I just
saw did almost fifty million streams through the first three

(34:02):
days it was up on Netflix. I watched it. I
will give some thoughts, so you might have to skip
ahead if you don't want any spoiler alerts. Not that
I mean, this movie's out winning an Oscar, so I
don't know if you're gonna miss much. I'll give some
thoughts on the upcoming windom who I'm betting on. Obviously,
Kirk Kidiyama just won a couple of days ago. This

(34:25):
the last event of the quote unquote regular season before
they head to the playoffs. It goes from seventy to
fifty to thirty. Now the Tour Championship, which is the
ultimate PGA tour, just giving away money. Joaquen Neeman wins
again on Live something that happened with Bubba Watson that
I actually thought it was pretty cool. And we will

(34:46):
answer your questions at Golpod. At golpod is the instagram
we try to separate that from the football questions and
just life questions. So if you got any golf related question,
whether it's on professional golf, whether it's on your own game,
whether it's just things are thinking, at golo Pod is
the easiest way to get involved because we try to

(35:07):
separate the two instagram, So fire in those dms. But
I do want to start with the happy Gilmore to
review now. I watched this movie on Sunday Night, which
only probably a month ago, and we'd be watching Sunday
Night football. I'm sitting there at the dinner table. I
think we had an early dinner. It was probably like
five five point thirty and I'm sitting there with my

(35:29):
pregnant wife and she made a comment that almost made
me fall out of my chair because I was telling her, Hey,
we got to watch Happy Gilmore. I'm going to talk
about in the podcast. I knew the Happy Gilmore. It's
not that she wouldn't enjoy it, but it's not really
her type movie. Like she had a choice, I don't
think she would hit play. And she knew we were

(35:50):
gonna attack this movie after dinner and I did the dishes,
no big deal, And she looks at me and she says,
do I need to see the first Happy Gilmore to
understand what's going on in this one? And my jaw
hit the floor. And then I realized she was born
in nineteen ninety one. This movie came out in nineteen
ninety six. I'm sure there are movies in the eighties

(36:10):
or even early nineties that maybe I missed, and it
kind of listen. It was funny, and I think once
she once I turned it on, she realized she had
seen it once I kind of described I think not
that you necessarily have to see the first one to
watch the second one. It clearly helps. There are some
clear themes that you didn't make it easier to watch.

(36:34):
I would imagine ninety nine point ninety ninety nine percent
of people listening to this have seen the first one,
but this movie. Like typically sequels, I think of some
of the ones that were big when I was a kid, Terminator,
even though that was when I was really really young,
but I watched that when I was a kid, diehards.
They usually happened relatively quickly after one becomes a hit,

(36:56):
and there was thirty years of separation between these two movies.
So anyone that's watched Adam Sandler operate just through Netflix
over the last decade, if you've just been really bored
and clicked on one of his movies. My standard for
this movie was not very high. I didn't go in
with the expectations it's gonna be like, you know, some

(37:17):
Oscar winning all time flick. I just wanted to be entertained,
laugh a little, and hang out with the Sandman and
see a bunch of these cameos and some of his
homies that are in all of his movies. And that's
exactly what I got as the movie went on. Clearly
it was pretty stupid and pretty dumb. But I see
some of these people tweeting or post on social media,
is the dumbest movie of all time? I mean, you

(37:39):
have not watched enough movies if you think that I
actually think like there were some bright spots of if
you follow the PGA tour, Will's Alaturs, who is currently
injured because his back is like Tony Romo and doesn't work,
so he's just out right now. But before he got injured,
he was could have easily won the Masters. I mean,
he's been a major factor in Majors. He's a really

(38:01):
good player, and he is often made fun of for
looking like an older version or honestly the player version
of Happy Gilmore's Caddy in the original, and him playing
a role in this movie, I thought he was good
and he was pretty funny, Like that was honestly a
standout moment of like using Wills ale Torus. They deserve

(38:24):
credit for doing that clearly. Whenever they shot this, Scotty
had already been arrested and he made the joke about
it in the movie, And I thought Scotty was pretty good.
And then there are guys like Rory and Brooks and
even Bryce and just aren't I mean, it's just you
could tell they don't act for a living. I do
think one misstep, and again, my standard for this script,

(38:46):
whatever the storyline was gonna be, is extremely low. So
my expectations on this being something that was gonna blow
people away. I was not there, But Shooter McGavin is
one of the great characters of my life. He's one
of the more legendary characters of my life, especially if

(39:06):
you put him in the category of being like a villain,
right and they open up in this movie he's in
the insane Asylum, and it's like, this has a chance
to be really really good utilized Shooter. Is he gonna
break out? Is he gonna go up against Happy? However
that's gonna play out? And I think one beef a
lot of people have had with this movie is the
villain was just a terrible character. I mean it really was.

(39:30):
When you already have a built in villain with Shooter
and however you wanted to build this. You know a
lot of people think that the Maxi League or whatever
was representing live it's really a little more like the
TGL combination of whatever. They could have used Shooter in
that role to go against Happy gilmore like that that
was built in, and maybe they've tried to humanize him.

(39:53):
I don't know, but I thought that was a misstep.
You could have used Shooter against and it would have
been really funny and really good. They didn't. They chose
to use that weird guy with the weird go tee,
who I would say universally everyone's down upon, and rightfully
so terrible character and awful. But the cameos make this movie.

(40:16):
You know, Adam has a couple throwback moments. I do
think once you get to his position, he got so
famous and so big twenty five thirty years ago that
a lot of people think that the movies he do
does now are really stupid. And he doesn't care, and
I'd say, yeah, I mean, he doesn't have to care.

(40:36):
He was never Leonardo DiCaprio. This guy's not Tom Hanks.
This guy is what you call And I think it's
a great representation sometimes society. Sometimes you don't have to
overthink it. People just want to laugh. And Adam Sandler,
when he's involved and just gives half effort, can be
kind of funny. And I just think for a guy
that's close to sixty, I'm glad they did this. But

(41:00):
I see a lot of people being really down upon
this movie. It's just what were you what were you
expecting to get? You know, I mean, I think there
was such an organic nature to the first one one
obviously the storyline of him wanting to be a hockey
player and hating golf and looking down upon country clubs

(41:20):
and the golfing culture, and in this one he supports
it because he's boys with all these people. Now he's
wearing the gold jacket with like Jack and Lee Trevino
and Freddie Couples and obviously Travis Kelcey's in this and
actually Xander was kind of funny in a dumb way.
But I thought it was just an easy couple hours
with a bunch of famous people that got really stupid

(41:42):
at the end. But overall, I'd probably give it like
a B B plus. And I think the power of
this brand and the power of the build up, and
probably the power of the cameos, you know, leads to
a historic moment for Netflix. The big winner in this
one wasn't Netflix. And listen, I'm not I wouldn't call

(42:03):
myself a movie buff, but I'm dialed in enough and
listen to enough podcasts and read enough articles that everyone
says like the originality of movies is done. No one
wants to do that, and studios are not funding that.
They're all funding things with a quote unquote ip things
that have been done before, and these type situations when

(42:24):
Happy Gilmore, which is you know, I think in terms
of box office and stuff, it's not. I don't know
where it ranks in the nineties, but it's clearly one
of the biggest movies of my youth. It's carryover. If
this had not been, you know, an Adam Sandler had
just created a golf movie from scratch, even with all
these cameos, and Happy Gilmore had never existed, there's no

(42:46):
way it does what it did. And I think the
power of Adam Sandler and the power of this movie
is the different You get a guy that's sixty five
that's watching you get a guy that's forty that's watching it,
and you can get a guy that's fifteen to watch it.
And that's the sad part about the originality and the
organic nature of Like when I was a kid, Adam

(43:06):
Sandler and Jim Carrey and Chris Farley and these guys
that all came from Saturday Night Live, you know, got
people behind him and got to fund them, and they
became stars because these movies that would never get made
now got made. Then the equivalent of Happy Gilmore in
twenty twenty five is never getting made. It's that Adam

(43:27):
Sandler is so famous and Netflix finances him and all
these guys. I don't know how much he paid all
these guys for cameos. But if you think that Bryson
and Brooks and Scottie would just do a movie with
a random guy, it's just never happening. And how they
kind of did that in the mid nineties with some
of the people that participated in that movie. The other
thing that I loved about this movie is there something

(43:47):
special about the voice of Verne Lunquist. I was telling Maria,
who I've really got into college football, is like, I
don't think you realize that chubby guy talking played a
huge role in Happy Gilmore Won One. He was a
major part of the Masters for a long long time,
and his voice was synonymous with college football. And you
hear vern talk, You're like, I missed that. I really

(44:11):
do I miss that? And yeah, I mean whether they
took the live angle or the TG I don't really know.
I just think he probably kind of saw that and
utilized tried to be funny with it. Reggie Bush is
on the bad team, Bad Bunny. I didn't even realize
was his caddie. But ultimately, like I enjoyed myself for

(44:32):
two hours, I enjoyed myself for two hours, even in
the parts where I thought it was kind of done,
I'm glad I watched the movie, and I can't say
that about most movies. So props to Adam, props with Sandman.
Props to Netflix for just getting this thing done and
giving us something to watch on a Sunday night before
football starts. Okay, let's talk some real golf now, and

(44:56):
let's talk to you about this upcoming Windom Championship, brought
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hole in one in every flavor sensation by now on
five hour Energy dot Com. Here's the thing. Golf season's long, right,
unlike the NFL, which is four or five months, Baseball
is really long, but it's a set time. Obviously, basketball

(45:16):
set time. Golf goes forever. It doesn't feel like they
have an offseason because unless you are a superstar player.
I mean, even Max Homill was saying last week, I
just want to win so I can go home to
my pregnant wife. But if I don't win, I have
to keep playing because I'm gonna try to make the playoffs,
and up until a couple of years ago, you had
a lot more margin for error if you were a
solid player, because the field going into the playoffs was

(45:38):
way bigger than it is now. And there is a
big difference between one hundred and twenty and seventy that's
fifty guys, which I go back and forth with overall
some of the signature events that have smaller fields in
the no Cut I don't love, but I do understand that,
like as the game fractured, they try to get the
money to their top guys, and typically the top guys,

(46:00):
you know, it's easier for them to make the money
if it's a smaller field, and the better guys are
typically going to do well, so they have transition hard
to this model. We'll see. I saw the new commissioner CEO.
It's his first day on the job, was a couple
of days ago. Does he change this moving forward? I
would doubt it. But this is the last real event
before the playoffs start next week with seventy guys, and

(46:23):
they go seventy to fifty to thirty, and there is
clearly a ton of money on the line. I think
now to win the FedEx. I mean, it wasn't that
long ago when you won like ten million dollars and
that was insane. Then they went to fifteen, then they
went to twenty five, and all of a sudden, Scotti
Scheffler has a sixty five million dollar year right. And
I think there are a lot of guys I read
the day that last year five people changed from this

(46:47):
last event going to the seventy, So there was a
swing of guys that were above the line that were
into the playoffs that lost their spot for five new guys.
And obviously there are a lot of weighted points. If
you win, I mean and you're near the line, you're
gonna be in. And some of these guys are trying
to compete for Ryder Cup spots because if you were

(47:10):
to get knocked out and not make the final thirty,
in your spots in question, Like I would say, Keegan
told you, no matter where you are in the list,
if you're not an automatic qualifier, you're in major trouble.
I mean I looked up one time yesterday or over
the weekend and got her up was in the mix
to win. I'm like, has any guy had a better
late season run than this guy. If he wins again,

(47:31):
he's gonna win two out of his last three tournaments
and go second in the other one, which was a major.
And then you think back to Lucas Glover a couple
of years ago, one like back to back times in
this part of the year and still got left off
the Ryder Cup. So you never know. But I do
think there's some value in gambling on guys. I sprinkled
with some parlays last week. One guy that's playing just
really well right now is Jake Napp. I would say

(47:54):
Ricky Fowler is as well now. Jake Knapp is in
right I think he's like fifty second go into this tournament.
I think you can find value on him in this
tournament top ten and top twenty. Same thing with Ricky Fowler.
Homa is another guy who has just shown some life.
He played at the Barracuda when the Open was going on.

(48:14):
First round, he was terrible. Second round, he bounced back.
Last week he actually was pretty solid. He's definitely a
guy for me to keep an eye on. Joel Damon
might have had the craziest finish of the year. He
was two hundred yards out on eighteen. He was fifteen
under part meaning if he birdies two hundred out par

(48:34):
five birdies, finished sixteen finishes in like the top fifteen,
and would have made like one hundred and fifty k
because a bunch of guys tied, but he would have
made a lot of money. Not only does he not bertie,
he triple bogies because he hits multiple balls in the
water and he goes from fifteen under all the way
to twelve and I think he made like thirty five
thousand dollars. It was literally a hundred thousand dollars hole.

(48:57):
I mean sometimes if you're just playing and you have
a double or triple, you're like, that sucks. Lose ten
bucks by bucks. Whoever you're playing, maybe lose his skin,
right if you're playing up two on two or however
your game works. I can't even imagine being in a
situation you've had a great week and you're a guy
that's trending. I actually Joe Damon's played some pretty good
golf of late, and he's another guy that I think

(49:17):
if you just remove that hole had a pretty good
week last week. Now, does that totally rattle you? And
are you just like can you not get over. It
is like golf, I fucked up. I don't know how
you hit two balls in the water, but he managed
to do that. I am gonna sprinkle on Joel Damon
this week to finish in the top twenty. And Matt
Fitzpatrick is another guy who early in the season was terrible.

(49:41):
The crazy part about golf is these guys. You know,
we've talked about them running through caddies and it kind
of pisses me off. It's like they treat their caddies
like these their offensive or defensive coordinator. It's like, dude,
the guy's just carrying your bag and for the most
of these guys handing you an eight iron when you
say eight iron, and maybe helping you read some putts.

(50:01):
But if the guy's been on your back for a
while and you've won with him, clearly this guy doesn't suck,
So you just pointing the finger at him is just
not taking accountability for yourself. I do understand guys firing coaches,
and I don't care who you are. Sean Foley, I'd
say Butch is somewhat of an outlier. You know, people

(50:21):
don't typically fire Butch, but the Hank Haney's the Mark Blackburns.
These guys get fired all the time. Joseph Mayo, if
you follow him on Instagram, the kind of chipping guru,
Like he's been fired and rehired by Victor Hovlin multiple times.
It happens. But Mark Blackburn, who was sometimes like, you're
playing really well. It's like the coach is a genius,
and then all of a sudden, the guy starts playing

(50:41):
shitty and Max Holmes like, it's my coach's fault. So
he gets fired. And Blackburn's been fired by a bunch
of guys all of a sudden. Fitzpatrick's Matt Fitzpatrick's caddy.
He's having a terrible season. Honestly, I don't think he's
played that well since a couple of years ago when
he peaked his I guess swing coach is really sick
and he's just staying home with them and can't travel

(51:03):
and basically just is taking a hiatus right to not
work with anybody, let alone Fitzpatrick. So I Fitzpatrick hires
Blackburn all of a sudden, Like the last month he's
been awesome, and he's technically the betting favorite this week.
I don't know if I necessarily like him to win,
but you look at the field, not great. There're gonna
be a bunch of guys that are tight because of

(51:24):
what's in the line. Fitzpatrick can kind of be free.
I think it's pretty clear he's going to be on
the Ryder Cup. I just think he's playing really well.
It's kind of like got it up, like if got
her up's in, he's trending like kind of ride him.
I love Fitzpatrick to top ten in this event. I
actually did a little parlay Fitzpatrick top ten, Homa and
Ricky too top twenty, and Damon's a guy that you

(51:44):
can get, like, you know, top twenties, like four to one.
So nap, you know, does he run out of juice
here a little bit? But he's just another guy that's
played really well. Someone asked me, like, when you bet
on someone, are you breaking down like how they're chipping?
I like two things. One, how has the guy been playing?
And if you just look at someone's last month and
it's like T ten, fifth, T eighteen, you're like, well,

(52:05):
he's just playing good golf. And then if you look
at course history he's played well there kind of makes
some sense. So I'm a big fan of Ricky Homa
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(52:30):
the boys that Live? You know it's weird. Joaqe. Neeman
has dominated Lift. If you remember when Live first started
three or four years ago, whatever, Dustin Johnson won several times,
like he was by far their biggest get at the time,
given his age, how he was playing like Phil was
the biggest name. But Phil, as we see, I mean,

(52:52):
he's borderline retired. You know, Dustin when he got him
still I don't want to say in the peak of
his powers, but still elite and just started breaking money,
started dominating and every single time they played, I was
kind of gambling on him a little bit he could
win and that you know. Joaquin Neeman is a guy
that won on the PGA Tour, he won at RIV
He's a really talented player and he is dominating this

(53:14):
year now. I do think overall, like from a financial standpoint,
he made like thirty million dollars so far this year.
It has been a very lucrative year for Joauque Neman.
I would say in the aggregate, him making the move
to live financially changed the course of his life. He
has made so much fucking money these last couple of years.
No chance he regrets it. But when people started annoying

(53:37):
you as like one of the best players in the world,
he's an elite guy, and you'd be like, listen, he's
really talented. He's young. If he was on the PGA Tour,
he probably would have won some over the last couple
of years. He's one big events before. He's a really
good player. I do think his year's been a little
underwhelming because it was all kind of judged on the majors.
Like I know, when Live plays, whether they're in London,
whether they're in Chicago in a couple of weeks, wherever

(53:58):
they're playing. Joaquin even honestly pretty good chance. A couple
of years ago, like Guc got hot, Guc was winning
like every other event, to go, okay, what are you
gonna do in the Major? And these last two majors
in the Open in the US, but he missed both cuts.
So it's kind of this weird spot where you wanted
to go. This is one of the young bright players
in the game of professional golf. That was the thing
with DJ, Like i'd seen DJ. He won the PGA

(54:20):
Tour for decades straight, He'd won multiple majors. He honestly
probably should have won like four or five. So we
go to live It's like, yay, he's a dominant player
now it's he's kind of in retirement mode. But I
kind of I do think Joaquim Nemen in a weird
way for a guy that's played really well when he
plays these other guys, when he plays against Rom, when
he plays against you know, Bryson, like he's gone head

(54:40):
to head with those guys and beat them. Terrell Hatton,
Patrick Reid. I mean, these guys are major champions. These
guys are guys favored when we go to I mean
Hatton obviously, Bryson and Ram are gonna be top ten guys.
I mean, Bryson and Rahm typically top five guys in
every major. And Joaquin Neman's beating them, and you know
when they only play three rounds, but he's still beating them.

(55:00):
Then he goes to these majors and those guys shine.
It's like where are you? So I just I'm a
little disappointed that we didn't get a little more to
make this argument, like there is no argument, right besides,
like he's made a lot of money. One thing last week, though,
I was I was on Twitter and I saw listen

(55:20):
the greatest or one of the greatest. I don't I
can't go back like fifty years, but I would say
of my lifetime of a guy hitting a driver off
the deck is Bubba Watson. No one plays that huge fade.
I remember when I was playing at the Olympic Club,
maybe like four or five years ago, when I was
living in the Bay Area. Guy was playing with was like, yeah,

(55:42):
when they had the US Open here, Bubba hated it
because where the tips were there were some kind of
tight lies or tight lines off the tea box where
you had to like hit it through and if you're
playing way back, kind of a narrow kind of shoot
kind of like eighteenth at a guy. But there were
like four or five of those t shots where you

(56:03):
couldn't just if you play a huge curve to your
golf ball, you can't really just aim way left or
way right. And Bubba didn't enjoy that course. Well, if
you have a wide open course. The Masters is kind
of unique beside eighteen because you could hit it anywhere.
And two it plays to a left, it plays to
a draw, righty, and a left. He hitting a cut,
and Bubba hits a cut, but he hits this driver

(56:25):
off the deck beautifully. Joaque Neman's running away with this thing.
Bubba's not even in the conversation until he has a
stretch where he goes birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, eagle, birdie.
For my count, that is one, two, three four. That's
eight under par in six holes. That's as good as

(56:46):
you get. And his two eagles were on two par
fives with driver off the deck both times. One of
them he hit it to like three feet and the
other one he hit it to like thirty feet and
made the putt. But watching a guy from two hundred
and sixty to two hundred nine take a driver out
and play this huge cut, all arms, no legs, no
one quite does it like Bubba Watson. So that was

(57:08):
really enjoyable. And I guess me and Colin in a
couple of weeks will be in Chicago. I think we're
hosting a little something during the day, so we'll see
how that goes. Let's go to at golopod, which is

(57:36):
my Instagram and the easiest way for you guys to
get involved on the podcast. Okay, John, I want to
know how you would count this round. A few years
ago I played fourth of July tournament I called that's
called the Red, White, and the Blue. Each player gets
to pick six holes where they play each of the
different set of tea boxes. It was obviously easier to score.

(57:58):
This is the only tournament I've ever broken seventy one
on a birdie birdie finish. Good job. Anytime I brought
it up to my dad, he genuinely believes it doesn't
count at all. I get his perspective, but I feel
it has to count for something because I was the
net low round for the tournament while eight players had
better handicap. After graduating him pretty burnout of golf, so

(58:21):
I don't think I'll even get that close again. What
are your thoughts? Well, I think it's one of those
where you can tell people like the one time I
shot under par best round in my life, I played
three different ties. I do think there's a dramatic difference
in shooting seventy one. Let's just say we go to
a random course and let's not even say seventy one,

(58:42):
let's say seventy five. Well, if you shoot seventy five
from the tips and seventy five from the male teas
which sometimes are two tees up. I know there are
a lot of courses. Let's use TPC Scotts Sale as
an example. There are the black tees where the pros
would play, and then there are the blue which our
decent player would play, and then you can even play

(59:03):
the whites. So I've shot seventy three or seventy four
from the blues out of TPC. That is not the
same I think as like shooting seventy eight from the tips,
So I it doesn't count. It doesn't mean you can't
be excited you played well, because I've said before you
can play different courses. If I take you the ladies tease,

(59:26):
like for me, I hit the ball pretty far, So
if you take me to the red tees, some holes
I have like a fifty yard shot in instead of
one hundred and fifty yard shot in that can be
I'd rather have a nine iron that fifty yard shot.
I don't feel comfortable hitting that fifty yard shot, so
it can be more difficult, but that's not the way
people think. I totally agree that the PGA is the

(59:47):
fourth major, and honestly, it's not even close. I feel
like the US Open has the hardest challenging golf. The
Open has a link style weather, and the Master is
sweet for obvious reasons. But the PGA, while valid major,
just doesn't have any character. What would you think the
PGA being hosted at courses with an emphasis of being
visually stunning and setups that really vary from standard quote

(01:00:09):
unquote tour. Look, I'm thinking Wolf's Creek, Bandon Dunes, and
some wild mountain courses. It'd beat that the pros might
tear the places like that apart, but damn that would
be cool to watch. I would be totally okay with that.
I think one reason that some of the courses you've
thrown out that just have no chance. I think the

(01:00:32):
distance element, like what THE'SE got Now, it could be
so windy at Bandon Dunes, those guys would be bitching
and moaning, oh my god. But I do think some
of the distance for some of these courses make it
really difficult to for them to do that, and I
think the PGA of America, you know, I don't know,

(01:00:55):
I'd be down. You wouldn't hear me complain. That's just
clearly not gonna happen. Ever. Now, granted, I think some
of the PGA championships coming up, I think once, I
think they're gonna habit at Olympic Club coming up. But
I'm with you, I think at Bandon Dunes, why not
just have an event at Bandon Dune's. Why can't we

(01:01:15):
do that? Why can't we just have an event at
Bandon Dune's. Who would complain about that? Nobody? Ever? You're
probably aware, but maybe some listeners aren't that anyone other
exempt who finishes top four at the Open and the
other majors gets an invite in a next year's Masters.
Why doesn't NBC lean into this? The tournament was over

(01:01:36):
when Scotty hit a shot to a kick in range
on number one, When how Tom Lee, another guy's on
the range, get in the range of an invite on
the final few holes, the coverage can't lean into that
at all. To me, it's a legit, interesting story worth
celebrating alongside a great champion in Scotty. I don't think

(01:01:56):
it takes away from the winner, and it also acknowledges
a guy needs to par birdie whatever to earn his
way to Augusta. I do wonder if it's because like,
let's use CBS or NBC or I guess CBS has
the Masters, but if NBC has the Open, they go, well,
we don't have the Masters, so why even promote it.
It's like, well, guy, it's the Masters. Who cares? Like

(01:02:18):
we're all watching it anyway? Anyone that's watching the NBC
broadcast is going to watch the Masters. But I do
wonder if that factors in. I've always thought the golf
media loves saying that they needed like a cutcam on Friday.
It's like, guys, most of these events, non majors are

(01:02:39):
on Golf Channel, and do like three four or five
hundred thousand people on a Friday afternoon that a cutcam.
It's one of those things that sounds good on Twitter,
it's in reality it's not doesn't add that much I
think to the entertainment product on television. Like, again, it
sounds really cool, but in terms of how many people
are watching, would it make that big a difference? I

(01:03:01):
hear what you're saying, but they they don't care. Do
you think within the next two or three years suspensions
will be lifted for live players to play some PJA events.
Would be sweet to see Ron Bryson Phil at the
Waste Management again. I do think Phil's retired, like whenever
Phil and live, and I think he's done playing golf,

(01:03:23):
and I think he's close to being done quote unquote
competitive golf now. So I think we're coming down the
home stretch of Phil Mickelson's career. I think Bryson and
John Rahm one thousand percent. I would use Terrell Hatton
as well, Joaque Neeman, any of their top guys. Patrick Reid.

(01:03:45):
This is the issue is these players are so hell
bent like guys, these decisions were made, it's over, we've
all moved on. So if we're gonna get uniformity again,
the new CEO, I gotta be willing to if these suspensions,
let these guys play when they want to play. And again,
it could just be like, hey, if you're interested, we'll

(01:04:07):
give you two or three tournaments a year. So if
like John rom Scottsdale guy, you want to play in
the Waste Management, you're in Riviera Torrey, Pines. You like
those courses. You're in bryceon, Texas guy, any of the
Texas tournaments you're interested. You're in some of the Florida guys,
phil Or DJ Brooks, Hatton whoever Nieman, I guess he
lives in Florida. The Arnold Palmer Bayhill, the player, I guess,

(01:04:33):
the players you. I don't know. It's just so stupid.
Can we just let everyone play together again? Curious how
much your scores fluctuate? According to my garment golf app,
where I log all my rounds, I'm a six and
a half, but I shot ninety two yesterday. My previous
round I was plus four through fifteen and had to

(01:04:55):
quit because the rain rolled in. I'm not sure if
my garment app is accurately accurately calculating a handicap. I
mean I can shoot anywhere from seventy four to eighty eight,
so I think most people that aren't a scratch can vary.
I mean, if you take me to a course and
my driver's off, I can shoot eighty five with ease.

(01:05:16):
You can take me to a hard course if I'm
hitting fairways and putting decent, like I can shoot seventy six,
So I think you're most of us, especially if you
were I would say like a four, five, six, seven,
eight kind of that range. Because if you're a fifteen,
someone goes, oh, I'm a five, You think that guy's
really good. A five handicap with ease can shoot eighty

(01:05:37):
five with ease, right, And that fifteen handicap, if he's
playing decent, can shoot ninety two. So you're like, there's
only like a your five handicap. I'm a fifteen, and
if we played match play, maybe you only beaten by
one hole. So I don't think it's that weird at all.
Sometimes these golf accounts will tweet or instagram out stuff

(01:06:00):
like that, like to like, hey, this is what a
three handicap shoots. When you just say, hey, I'm a
three handicap, the average person that plays golf that's like
a double digit handicap will think that guy shooting seventy
four every round, he is one percent not shooting seventy
four seventy five every round. A lot of seventy nine's
a lot of eighties. And if you're shooting eighty you

(01:06:21):
are a bad shot away from shooting eighty three. I
see more. Cow was on the fringe of the Ryder
Cup team. Not only is his game not where he
needs to be, the guy seems like a tough hang.
I can never see him the same after watching him
on full swing. I'm not sure I'm the only one. Also,
did you read Alan Schipknuck's Phil Mickelson's book. I took

(01:06:43):
Collins advice and read it, really enjoyed it, highly recommend
Although I disagree with Alan on a few things. I
can see why Phil doesn't love the book. I have
not read it yet, but uh, and let's be real,
I'm more of an audiobook guy. I'm reading or listening

(01:07:05):
to A Wise Guy right now, which is the book
that Scorsese made Goodfellas off of. Scorsese actually in the
audio version of this book, and I would imagine the
actual book to the gave the forward. And I'm also
listening to some of the Charlie Munger's I think, like

(01:07:27):
The Smart Investor or The Complete Investor. So the thing
with audiobooks, I can go back and forth with actual
tangible books. One, I'm just not great at reading them anymore.
In terms of just sitting down, letting loose. I need to.
It's something I want to do. But I also know
myself it's easier for me to fire through audio books.

(01:07:48):
I do think you probably retain more information when you
sit down and read them than when you listen. But
it kind of is what it is. Just curious as
to what your take is on golf expectations for new golfers.
Was playing with my dad, my father in law, last week,
and he's pretty solid, probably around to ten. He told
me that I was a good golfer, but I tend
to expect too much of my game, only being five

(01:08:10):
or so years in. What do you think realistic expectations
should be for a normal guy playing a couple times
a week as he gets into the game. Well, depends
what you shoot, right, So if you've been in the
game for five years and especially let's just assume the
summer you play a little more and you start shooting
I don't know, ninety, right, you break ninety a couple times.

(01:08:33):
I don't think it's crazy to be mad if you
shoot a hundred, right. Scores are all relative, right, I've
said this forever about money. Money's all relative. Money to
some people seems like a lot, to others, seems like nothing.
No different than golf pro golfers get really mad when
they shoot seventy three. If I shot seventy three every
single round the rest of my life, I'd be the

(01:08:54):
happiest golfer in the history of the game. Right, But
if I shot eighty eight, I'm mad. So it's kind
of relative to what you are shooting, and then like
is what you do well, Like if you're a good
driver of the ball or a good chipper of the ball,
if you have a bad day doing one of those,
like sometimes it's well, if I'm doing this bad, I'm
in trouble, right, So I think it's it's so everyone

(01:09:22):
is kind of their own story on the golf course
based on what your handicap is, based on what you're shooting,
based on how you've been playing, based on your expectations.
Are you gambling right, because I think it's also like
if you're betting someone, even if you play well and
you lose, like you can be mad. I do think though,
there gets to a point and I've had one moment

(01:09:45):
in the last like four years where I kind of
like slammed the club, made a huge kind of hole
in the ground on a tea box, and the next
holes through my hat I was like, I'm a fucking loser.
What am I doing? I'm playing for twenty bucks? In
what world can I? Why am I getting so mad?
One when you get really mad at golf, it doesn't

(01:10:06):
really help you out. And two, like it was kind
of the Bumgardner thing when you used to pop up
a pitch. It's like and then the guy threw his bat.
It's like, bro, you expected to fucking hit a home run. Well,
I expected to shove it right down you know, Broadway
and strike your ass out. So you just act like
a pro, kind of act like you've been there before.

(01:10:27):
Even the Bumgardner thoughts. I just get a little mad,
like guy pimped the home run. It's like Madison, the
guy's hit a home run. Off you can. I tell
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(01:12:22):
growing up in the Bay. Grew up in Davis, right
down the street, probably forty five hour away, depending on
where you're going. My son just qualified for the US
Amateur good player. Have you played Olympic that? I have
played it a bunch. First golf tournament ever went to
nineteen ninety eight the US Open with my father, his
buddy Jerry, and my buddy Travis. I remember watching John

(01:12:45):
Daly hit off the first hole, put a cigarette on
the ground. That was sweet. That was eighteenth hole amemter
of Payne Stewart like hit like three putts right back
to himself. The last time I played a couple of
years ago with a buddy I was actually I played
in the member guests there. They have ripped up the
course and changed it, so I have not played whatever

(01:13:05):
this new version is. I know that a lot of
members had complained the courses really was really hard and
the bunkers were outrageously hard. So if you weren't really good,
and even really good players, I think didn't love that
course because it wasn't always that fun to play if
you were a little off. But I do think it's sweet.

(01:13:28):
Enjoy it. I mean, it's one of it's got to be,
and that in Pebble Beach, the most historic course out west.
I mean there are pictures in the clubhouse like I
think Bobby Jones and like the nineteen twenties hitting out
of this crazy rough. Obviously, they've hosted US Opens there
for decades. It's historically one of the harder US Open venues,

(01:13:51):
not name Oakmont. I mean they've had years where I
think even or plus one won it. Maybe minus one
won it back when we Simpson with Web Simpson in
U two thousand, twenty twelve. Maybe Jim Furick pumped it
to the left on hole sixteen, I think it was.

(01:14:14):
It was twenty twelve. Web Simpson shot plus one, an
he won by one stroke. So if you're major's plus
one now the game's a lot different now guys hit
it way farther, So I don't know if plus one
would do it there now. But okay, a couple more questions.
I started golfing about a year ago and it was

(01:14:35):
gifted a set of hand me downs for my boss
and have been using them ever since. I supplemented the
set with the driver, woods and putter that I'm happy with.
I like the wedges but the irons are set of
Mizuno blades. They are in decent shape, but they're not
very forgiving. No, they're not. As I improve the sport,
is it worth investing in different, more forgiving irons or

(01:14:56):
should I stick with the blades because as I get
better I'm going I don't want to feel more. Or
should I just upgrade them as they wear out and
buy something that better fits my playing style? I would
say in twenty twenty five, there couldn't be a more
difficult path to trying to improve at the sport than
playing a set of Mizuno blades to start off your

(01:15:17):
golfing career. Golf is frustrating even if you have equipment
that fits you and is forgiving. It is extremely difficult
if the day and age of people playing blades in
general is kind of over. Even when you look at
a lot of the pros, they might have a pitching wedge,
a nine iron and an eight iron in the quote
unquote blade, but seven six five usually or more of

(01:15:42):
the quote unquote cavity back or a thicker back to iron.
So you are making the game extremely difficult. It's already
hard enough. I would look into even if it's just
a pair of used clubs that don't even necessarily like
are fit, you know, like are actually set to your
quote unquote fitting. That's way too hard. I would not

(01:16:05):
do that. That does not sound fun at all. I've
been playing golf for forty years old, for thirty plus years.
You couldn't pay me just to recreationally play with blades
right now. That sounds miserable. It doesn't sound fun. It's
too hard. The game is way too difficult to do

(01:16:26):
it that way. Okay, couple more watching it Scottie's historic run.
It has been sweet, but got me thinking, what's the
difference between guys like speeth Brooks that go on heaters
versus career greatness like Tiger and Phil that are able
to sustain winning and success for a decade versus a
year or two pure talent, mental game, dedication craft. Let's

(01:16:48):
use Jordan as an example. I would imagine if you
did like a deep dive on speed, his work, ethic,
love and passion for the sport, competitiveness like he checks
all those blocks right, his just drive to try to win,
his ability to play in the bright lights. As I
was told a long time ago by someone that got
a golf lesson from Butch Harmon, and they asked, Butch,

(01:17:11):
what do you think of Jordan? And this is I
think like twenty seventeen, so kind of toward the end
of his couple year crazy heater. And Butch said, listen,
if he ever stops putting like the greatest putter of
all time, he'll come back to the pack because he
is on one of the craziest putting heaters in the

(01:17:32):
history of the sport. He doesn't hit it that long
relative to some of the guys, and he's not a
straight driver of the golf ball now actually in twenty
twenty five and recently, he's a much straighter driver off
the teet, but so is everybody. That's the equipment. His
irons aren't as good. I just think one. And Jordan's
talked about this. Your body changes, So as your body changes,

(01:17:54):
your swing changes. I mean Tiger made four swing changes.
I heard someone say this once about Phil. If you
look at his swing over the last twenty years, it's
kind of the same. Phil is actually really flexible. And
when you look at Phil's movement, like it's pretty long,
his swing speed is kind of it looks kind of

(01:18:14):
mirrors what it's been since he started winning majors. Even
now at fifty five, it doesn't look that much different
where Jordan like has always got weird shit going on.
Kepka injured. I think sometimes guys just maybe get a
little older, don't work quite as hard like DJ's an example,
your body betrays you. Kepka's knees get kind of fucked up.

(01:18:39):
Golf's hard. I mean, it's just you could be a
ten handicap, you can be a two handicap, you can
go on stretches where you're playing really well and all
of a sudden something just changes and you like don't
really know what to do. And I think the difference
of a pro golfer in one of us is then
if you're a pro golfer, you start overanalyzing it and
you even make yourself worse. Harrington say that more tournaments

(01:19:01):
have been lost on the driving range than one more
careers have ended on that thing as well. So I
just think golf's weird, Like the harder you try sometimes
the worse you get. It's got kind of like this
baseball feel to it. But you still have to work
really hard and kind of stay dialed into your craft.

(01:19:22):
It's like you watch Scottie Scheffer and you think it's
kind of a sustainable thing. He can hit all the shots,
he's excellent with a driver, unreal iron player, great chipping putting,
just in generals kind of for any good player. Can
be a little streaky, but it's like that feels sustainable.

(01:19:42):
You know, Dustin Johnson for a long time felt sustainable.
Kepka always felt a little bit like what's going on here?
Five of his nine wins were majors. Is he's not trying?
Is he more of a bright lights guy? You know
he won Think about this. I have enough brooks Keepka's
nine wins five or majors and two are waste management.

(01:20:05):
So what's clear with Brooks Koepka? He likes it fucking
the light and the intensity and it to be prime time.
He probably liked the waste management crowds. Rory McElroy hates
him now it's you know, Tiger hated him too, because
those guys don't need a manipulated crowd to like get
into it. They get a crowd wherever they go. So

(01:20:26):
I don't know if that's a great answer. I don't
think people know if Jordan knew he would fix it,
But I don't think it's like the intent. It's not
like lack of trying or lack of practice. I think
it's just the nature of golf. Enjoy your perspective on things.
Around this time last year, Xander had won the Open
and locked in two majors in the same season. You

(01:20:46):
had said that Scotty would trade his seven win one
major twenty four for Xander's two win two major twenty
four season. I do believe that at that time there
was some debate about who deserves the PGA Player of
the Year. The twenty five season is over, but given
where we are now, if Scotty had to pick his
more successful season, do you think he'd say twenty four

(01:21:09):
or twenty five? One million percent? This year one million percent.
Now the difference is is did Zander Shoffley win a
tournament last year? Beside the majors? He won the PGA
the Open he did not. So Scotty Scheffler has won

(01:21:31):
multiple tournaments this year, right, He definitely won a tournament
in Texas. His year this year is just betteram Xanders
last year? Like this year he's got. He won the
CJ Cup by eight shots, yeah, I think even if
we don't count that, which he beat the shit out
of everybody there in a season, if you win two

(01:21:55):
majors in the Memorial and he won the Morial by
four shots, so he won Jack's Tournament, the PGA Championship,
in the Open, Xander just won the two majors, So
I think would he take his however many wins he
had last year, seven in the Masters, he'd already won
a Masters too, I think he would definitely take this season,

(01:22:15):
one million percent take this season. I do believe what
I said last year too. Once you get to these
guys level and you're so rich, I mean, these guys
have so much money, you would take multiple majors over
any other accomplishments, right unless you won like ten times.
But would Scotty rather win five times and win one

(01:22:36):
major or win one time and two majors. He will
take the multiple majors every time at this point, every time.
And that year for Xander changed his life because he
was already an elite player. He's one of the best
Americans of his generation. He's won tournaments, he's a Ryder cupper,
he's great in majors. But it was like is this
guy ever gonna win a big one and then he's

(01:22:57):
won two. You can never say shit about if I
do you think Xander will win another one? Honestly, he's
battling back from the injury this year. He hasn't been
that bad in majors. I think he top ten and
two definitely he I think he top ten in the
in the open, and I think he was in the
mix kind of a backdoor Masters. I don't think he
was bad in the Masters. Would I would take the

(01:23:17):
over like just Sander win another major? I would say
one thousand percent yes. And if you end up with three,
like Google, how many guys have won three career majors.
It's a big deal. So winning two in one year
kind of change your life. Now, maybe it was just
the year where he kind of like his Marco mirror
year right where he just took advantage and one is two.
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