3 & Out - Josh Allen OUTDUELS Tua, Bills Take Down Dolphins on TNF - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
John middlecop three and out podcast late here on a
Thursday night, The Fighting Mike McDaniels gave a valiant effort.
But the Buffalo Bills they win by ten and go
to three and oh and look like one of the
best teams in the league. And I do want to
start tonight by defending are as. Rex Ryan called him

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the nerd in Miami, who I would consider a very
very good offensive coach who's just in the wrong role.
But I think he's being compared to so many other
coaches that have failed, and I think we've gone too far,
So we'll dive into that. The Bills, they're good. I
don't know, they got a lot going for him. So

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we'll talk a little Bill, some Tom Brady and the
Tushbush that those topics just haven't gone away all week.
We got a lot of backup quarterbacks that are just
gonna be in the mix over the next I don't know,
forty eight hours playing this weekend, So buckle up, you're
gonna be like, who's that a quarterback? That's Carson Wentz
on his sixteen in six years, which I read. I

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think I saw a headline that's an NFL record six
starts for six franchises, six straight years. Talk about Journeyman,
you know, the guy went from the number two overall
pick to legitimate journeyman. So we'll dive into some of
that as well as Stucky, who joins us every single Friday.
Talk todd gambling, you know, tough slate. I'm not gonna lie.
I looked at the board for the last couple of days.

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Speaker 3 (03:07):
You know, I know they lost, but they have been
a headline honestly going back to training camp because everyone
thought Mike McDaniel is gonna get fired and Rex Ryan
called him a nerd, you know a couple of weeks
ago that kind of went viral a lot of people
at different.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Takes, like, listen, yeah, he's an IVY League guy.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
He looks kind of nerdy. But here's what I do know,
and I want to defend Mike McDaniel for a second.
Not everyone's meant to be a head coach. Vic Fangio
is widely considered not just one of the best defensive
coordinator in the league, but one of the best of
his generation. He's got an opportunity now winning a Super
Bowl might win another. He's been a Super Bowl defensive

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coordinator with Harbaugh. I mean, his resume speaks for itself.
He's not a head coach. He is a fantastic coordinator.
And I've said this forever about the NFL. It's Wall
Street on grass and what I mean, I don't just
mean the hour and how big of a grind it is.
Whether you're working on Wall Street or in finance, or
whether you are a coach or an executive. You work

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crazy hours during the season.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You do not sleep much. You were drinking a ton.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Of coffee, probably a prescription to Adderall's the only ways
you can keep your eyes open.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
But it pays a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
And obviously, if you're the head haunchho in finance, the CEO,
the boss in football, the GM, the head coach, you
make millions upon millions of dollars. But guess what in
the NFL, if you're a coordinator, Vic Fangio, you make
five or six. And Mike McDaniel has talked about like
he's completely over his head. A lot of guys aren't

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meant to be head coaches. There's nothing wrong with that.
Here's what I know. We have seen some guys who
are also over their head that honestly have no business
even being in the role they're in now. I think
Brandon Staley is one of the most overrated coach in
the history of football, definitely since I've been doing this,
either working in football or talking about football. Matt Eberflus,

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Mike just atrocious at his job. So we see guys that, yeah,
they get an opportunity to be a head coach, it's
like first round picks.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Half the head coaches are gonna get fired anyway. A
lot of those guys go on to be coordinators and excel.
Look around the league.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Brian Flores had a lot of trouble being the head coach.
Why he couldn't deal with the offense. Elite defensive coordinator
right there with Fangio as one of the best. Robert
Solim kind of over his head being the head haunchjo
awesome defensive coordinator and they can do that role for
a long time. I'm watching Mike McDaniel. Everyone's making fun
of him. It's like he's not the guy picking the
players his GM. We give Ryan Poles a lot of

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crap rightfully, So, I mean he's brought some of this
on himself, self inflicted. He looks like Ron Wolf compared
to Chris Greer in Miami. Their roster is atrocious. So yeah,
Mike McDaniel is gonna need a good GM. He clearly
doesn't have one if he was even gonna have a shot,
and clearly knows nothing about defense. I mean, they had
Vic Fangio in the building. Vic couldn't get out of

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there quick enough. Now argue whether it was Mike McDaniel
or whether it's you know, give me a high level coach.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I don't know if you can.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Win in Miami in this modern day society with the money,
with everything going on. I think it is an uphill battle.
I really do you know, having to compete against Buffalo.
Guess what, Sean McDermott doesn't have to deal with clubs
open till six in the morning, right, It's a completely
different animal.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
There's a lot more to.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Do down there, and clearly a lot of guys are
screwing off and it's hard to keep guys just focused
and dialed in on football. But I know Mike's really
good at coaching offense because I see toua who's an
average talent, look really good consistently over the last three
or four years. Now, once it gets cold, because he's

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kind of got a piece shooter arm, he's gonna have limitations.
But how many times tonight on third and seven, on
third and eight, on third and six, does Mike have
a play dialed up? Because he is a really good
offensive mine. So Rex called him a nerd a couple
weeks ago. He is a nerd who knows a ton
about offense and is good at dealing with the quarterback.

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Last time I checked. That's pretty valuable. Should he be
a head coach?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Probably not. Is he gonna get fired?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
All signs point to that, whether that's next week, in
two weeks at the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I know this.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I see a lot of guys get fired as head
coaches and they immediately get coordinator jobs, and I laugh,
I go, I wouldn't touch that guy with a ten football.
This guy should have half the league lined up to
coach their offense. He not only can communicate and coach
and build up a quarterback who has average talent, he
can scheme guys wide open. And I'll never forget. I

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used to be around the forty nine ers a lot,
and Kyle Uschek told me one time, this guy is
so good with the run game. Obviously their run game now.
Alli Gordon a couple of years ago was really good.
Oh he had a good run to night a couple
of years ago. I mean, he looked like a superstar
in college at Oklahoma State. But countless times tonight it's like,
I think this drive is gonna stall, and then boom,

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two hits a guy who's literally wide open. And then
back to back weeks the game flipped on Tua, who
I'm sure they're not coaching, stares down a wide receiver
the moment the ball snapped both times picked off basically
ended the game. But I'm watching Mike McDaniel and everyone's
shitting on the guy. And I mean everyone, and listen,

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I've been guilty too. He's not a head coach, but
he's not that bad, and he clearly has a skill
that translates to a lot of teams around the league
that would be desperate to coach up the quarterback and
get my offense rolling in the right direction. Tua has
four touchdowns the last two weeks. I thought tonight in
the second half, up until the pick, he was playing

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pretty well, and a lot of that has to do
with Mike having guys wide open. Now I wouldn't call
the Bills the eighty five Bears on defense, but I
thought McDaniel was kind of having his way the second
half of the game, and you could tell the moment
they get the roughing the punter play go against him, which,
by the letter of the law, obviously you got to

(09:06):
throw the flag. I hate that play, I mean I
really do. I thought that was one, like, you know,
malicious intent. He was in the air. It's a defensive tackle,
it is what it is. But once that happens, you
could see Mike screaming, he knows that's that's the game,
and that's you know, it's all. It all feels inevitable.

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But I don't follow the Dolphins as close obviously as
if you're like a diehard Dolphins fan, you know, being
on the.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
West Coast, the AFC East beside Belichick and.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Brady or now Josh Allen. I'm not super dialed in
to every moment of the Jets, but I've read enough
articles now just because they've been pretty prevalent, Like people
think that Chris Greer could survive. Why because he knows
where the bodies are buried. So anytime you have a
situation like that, it just shows you how dysfunctional this
organization is.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I do think it's gonna be difficult for.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Them to hire a guy, but I think the conversation
on Mike McDaniel, where he's being talked about like he's
Jim tom Sula, is absolutely laughable, and I just felt
like I had to defend him because listen, are the
Dolphins gonna win that many games? No, they're not gonna
be as bad as people think because typically when you
have like the number one overall pick last year the Titans,

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you have no quarterback play We've seen before like with
the Panthers or the Jags, you have the worst quarterback
play in the league, the one year that the Lions
went winless or the year the Colts ended up with
Andrew Luck, they have too good of quarterback played not
to win some games. So I just think the conversation
has taken on a life of its own where it's

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like the GM is a joke, and let's face it.
I mean, I think the owner, you know, while he
has a lot of money relative to the rest of
the league, would be viewed as someone that most people
wouldn't be lined up to work for. So let's pump
the brakes on just acting like Mike McDaniel should like
go to high school once he gets fired comes the Bills.

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I feel pretty confident saying this is Josh is one
of the more talented and best players I've ever seen.
It doesn't mean he has the resume of some of
these guys, and obviously he has a contemporary that already
has three Super Bowls and two MVPs. So even if
Josh maximizes everything, the chance that he ever gets to
multiple Super Bowls, just Super Bowl burse, you know, is

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gonna be difficult. Let alone become a champion. But like
we've all watched sports long enough, you know when you
see it, you're like, this is just this is different.
And I do think when you look at the group
and one conversation that happens, and I got a DM
about this recently, because perty's often pretty polarizing, goes well,

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Brock was awesome when he had a bunch of sweet players,
and he's not as good without him. It's like, yeah,
welcome to the NFL. Last time I checked, Joe Montana
was throwing to Oh yeah, Jerry Rice, Peyton Manning was
throwing to Marvin Harrison and Reggie When Patrick Mahome hit
the scene and became a legend, he was throwing to
Tyreek Hill and Prime Travis Kelce. It kind of helps

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to have some of those guys I'm watching. Josh Allen
Cook is an awesome player and he ever since they've
kind of thrown him into the mix a couple of
years ago, and he's become a stalwart of the offense.
He's changed kind of their identity and their franchise. I
think they're clearly a better team now with him than
they were before. Kind of searching for the running back
I like Khalil Shakir. I root for my small school

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guys Boise State. He's solid, right, Kean Coleman. I mean, okay,
I think he's pretty funny when he makes his Tiger
Woods jokes at the combine or puts on the coats.
But hey man, when the ball hits your hands, you
kind of need to catch it. You know, Palmer, who
they got from.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
The Chargers solid.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, he's not exactly throwing to you know, Andre
Reid and Stevie Johnson out there. His offensive weapons from
a skill position, he's got some good tight ends. But
I mean we got a factor in who he's playing
with here. He's incredible, and tonight they started playing with
their food a little bit in the second half installed out.
But this offense, I mean, one thing I wrote down

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late in the game, I said, the difference between the
Bills and what feels like the Ravens these last couple
of years, obviously the Chiefs and now what it looks
like the Chargers is at any given moment for those teams,
when they're humming, their defense can just pick six or
some incredible pick across the middle, or some strip sack.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
And I feel like the Bills.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
They win a lot of games just because Josh does
Josh things NonStop. He's like an NBA player. It's like,
if you don't go for tonight, we're losing. Where some
of these other quarterbacks can play in individual games, like yeah,
heading off game, but my defense had held them to
thirteen points and they had to pick six and they
caused a fumble. It rarely happens with the Bills, and

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then right on Q Bernard picks it off on a play.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
That two would just gave to him.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
If their defense comes through with timely plays, they're never
gonna to be statistically as good as some of the
top defense in the league. But if Joey Bosta can
stay on the field and they can come up with
timely play, specifically turnovers, they can win the Super Bowl.
We knew that coming in. I mean, they're clearly were
one of the betting favorites to win the Super Bowl.
But when you have a guy like this in the

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prime of their career, when you have a bunch of
guys who have been in these big games, and your
defense personnel.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Is what it is.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
But like they've come through in some big moments over
the last couple of years, and to me, for them
to win, it's gonna be a pick or a big
strip because offensively, when it comes to their quarterback, what
they say tonight, For the last five straight years, he's
had over forty touchdowns passing and running each and every season.
He's obviously the reigning MVP. Feels like he's at the point,

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and Lamar got to this point a couple of years ago.
It's like they just get incrementally better every year. Like
every year you see him, it's like, this guy's a
little bit better and he's unstoppable.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I mean, two admitted it.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Two is a guy that got two hundred million dollars
and one hundred and fifty of it guaranteed and is
gonna start the league for a decade plus was drafted
fifth overall. He's like, yeah, I can't even do half
of what that guy can do. It's not like he
was he was just being dead honest. I saw a
lot of people trying to, you know, dive into a
psyche on that, like what's he supposed to say? I'm
as good as Josh Allen. His mom would say to it,

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you can't lie and say that. We all know what
he said, is honestly, he's probably being.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Too nice to himself.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
He's like maybe this quarter of his good I mean,
he can't remotely do anything Josh can do. On one
play tonight where Tyreek probably should have caught it, they
just ran a deep post and Tua let it rip.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
The ball just floated up in the air.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's like that ball looks and it's not even cold
that yet. I mean it's September eighteenth. But the gap
between those two guys, and we talk about this all
the time in the NFL, like Tua is on the
low end of the second or third tier of quarterbacks.
So even if your roster was good enough, your margin
freer playing the top guy is slim the nun and

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then when your roster is clearly and they got injuries
as well, but as shitty as it is, and listen,
I try to bring this into light, Like Brandon Bean
gets a lot of credit, right, Eric DeCosta gets a
lot of credit, Brett Beatch gets a lot of credit.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Ortiz is gonna get a lot of credit. Sometimes gms
fly a little under the radar and the coach takes
all the heat.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
It's like, I don't think Mike McDaniel's picking every player
on the draft board. So the talent gap in this
game was obviously pretty wide, but the quarterback gap couldn't
be any wider. And you just got to acknowledge we
got no shot, like we got no shot to win,
to beat those guys. That's why the Bills are going
to win this division for the foreseeable future. I mean,

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unless Drake May takes a gigantic step in the next
couple of years, it's not even gonna be a fair fight.
And if you're a Bills fan, for as crappy as
a lot of this decade was, right you had, if
you're my age, you would have come into your own
as a sports fan right as they were making the
Super Bowls, which they showed the highlight tonight of Norwood

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kicking that forty seven yarder that he missed that Al
Michaels was calling in Tampa Bay. I feel like we
gotta do some sort of study why these kickers' legs
are so much stronger now. They showed one angle like, yeah,
that might have cleared from like fifty two to fifty
three yards. How could a kicker struggle to kick long
kicks forever? Like why over the last several years, it's

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been like, oh yeah, sixty yards, no problem.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
But most of the two thousands your franchised was an embarrassment.
The Patriots beat the living crap out of you, and
now you're not only the real deal franchise, you're like
legitimately one of the star brands of the league, led
by your MVP quarterback and just your overall team. So
I'm gonna keep saying this all year long about Lamar too.

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If not now, then when, If not now, then when
For both those guys, I do feel confident in saying this.
If the Ravens or the Bills are not representing the
AFC in the Super Bowl, it is a failure for
those teams, It really is. And you know, obviously they
play themselves like they did last year in the in
the second round, someone has to lose. But I don't

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see a scenario where it's not devastating like one. It
would be an incredible upset if one of those two
teams is not in the conference championship. I mean, the
Bills are gonna be in a pretty good position to
have the one seed be a little harder for the Ravens,
especially if they drop one of these next couple games.
You know, they play the Lions this week. I think
they played Chiefs in a.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
You know, their division can get a little weird too.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I guess burrows out so that that helps definitely.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
But you know, if the Bills get the number one seed,
it'll just be like Super Bowl berth or bust. And
that's that's how it kind of feels. But when back
to their defense, when you do have some holes, now
we'll see they get some guys back. You know, at
Oliver didn't play tonight. Their first round pick who's on
Pop Orry or or whatever, will come back in a

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couple of weeks, and you know, I ideally like he
can just be a good player for them at the
second half of the season, at first round or from Kentucky.
But the Bills are just there's a fun team to
watch and that it's the power of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Right For most of this decade, in the.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Manning in the Brady in the Aaron Rodgers, the Breeze,
the Roethlisberger, the Eli kind of that era, this franchise
was a joke. I mean, some of their highlights were Fitzpatrick,
you know, competing for like eight nine wins and now
it's like, how many games could they win?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Fifteen?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
So if you're a Bills fan, you gotta feel pretty
good about this, and really quick on the backup quarterbacks,
And speaking of Tua, we do this a lot, and
I can be guilty of this too, Like I'm not
immune to this by any means.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is when we talk about the top guys, right.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Lamar and and Josh our first bout Hall of Famers,
I promise you that obviously Mahomes already has a resume
to be like one of the best quarterbacks of all time.
Herbert is coming. If Burrow can just stay on the field,
his resume speaks for itself. You know, even Jayden Daniels

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long way to go, but when he's been on the field,
he's been pretty good. But then there's that group of
guys right from Goff to I know Jalen won a
Super Bowl, but statistically, like passing wise, you know he
can he can leave a little something to be desired,
from Purdy to dak to Cousins forever. We talk so
much about these guys and two us at the lower

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end of this, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Like why would you pay these guys? Why you gotta stick?
Why are we doing this?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
And listen, we can argue how much you should pay them,
Like should Dak Prescott be the highest paid person in
the league?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Of course not.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Should Dak Prescott relative to some of these other guys
make like thirty eight to forty million dollars or perty
make a little Yeah, but that's not really the way
it works. It never really has is probably not gonna
change anytime soon. But there's a reason of like why
didn't they just go to someone else? Do you see
the backup quarterbacks that are playing this week?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Wait till you watch some of these guys play, right.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Especially if they have to play multiple games. If you
are a backup quarterback, I'd argue, and you have to
start let's say four games, If you win two of them,
you have not only earned.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Your salary, you're underpaid.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
If you could win a game as a backup quarterback,
I'm not talking about a guy that comes into the game.
I'm talking about your quarterbacks out You're starting, starting on Monday,
all week long. The other team knows you're starting, and
the game plan around you, and you can win a game.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
You've earned your salary.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's how low the bar is, because we see it
all the time. That's how bad these guys typically are. Typically,
your backup does not turn out to be Steve Young
or Aaron Rodgers. It's a guy that's gonna bounce on
team to team.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Or ideally, if you.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Got like a Patrick Mahomes and it's a Chad Henny,
he never has to play. But every once in a
while quarterback rolls an ankle, shoulder, sprains a knee, and
the backup gets thrown in there like Carson Wentz, Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I'll promise you this. My expectations are pretty low.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's why I said about Sean McVay when he was
kind of worried about Matt Stafford. He said, Jimmy Garoppolo
is the best starting or backup quarterback we think we
had the number one backup quarterback would be a starter.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Multiple plays in the league.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I said, I know you're guessing Mubshawn, but I disagree,
and I don't think, especially if you're playing a decent team,
you would be any lock to win a game with
that guy playing a quarterback for you, not the way
that he's played recently. And I think we gotta be careful,
especially because the draft and the college football now is
clearly the second best sport in America. Think about the

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conversation this offseason in mock drafts having Arch Manning as
the number one overall pick. Honestly, sometimes shitting on him
pains me because my youth, when I was a pure
sports fan, before I ever got in the business or
worked in football or anything, I loved Peyton Manning. Like

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in the late nineties, early two thousands, Peyton Manning was
my favorite player, and I used to.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Hate the Patriots. I used to want her to beat him,
but he couldn't.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
So I've been rooting for the Manning family forever. But
we got to call a spadas bade. The guy can't
complete an out route. And it's like, should the Dallas Cowboys?
Should the Cleveland Browns tank for Arch? Are we sure
Arch is gonna be the starting quarterback October first? I mean,
what are we in college football? And we were talking

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about this before we hit record tonight. In basketball, for example,
a guy coming out of high school, this guy's gonna
be a top three pick. He could have a bad
college season, more than likely the worst case scenario will
be like the fifth pick in football.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
The moment you.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Play three bad games, people are like, WHOA, what is
going on here? And all I heard this college quarterback.
It's gonna be a great college quarterback season. I'm watching
these guys. I got Lagway throwing five interceptions. I got
Sellers can cussed. I got Garrett nuss Meyer, who I'm
rooting for. Let's face it, his ceilings like a Kirk Cousins.

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So sometimes we overhype because we root for these guys.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Most of them.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Guess what are not gonna turn out to be Jared
goffor Dak Prescott won't sniff being as good as brock Party.
Why because this is really really difficult, And the moment
these guys get hurt and we're sitting on our couch
watching some of these games with backup facing back up,
you'll realize why. It's they're playing a different sport. And

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even the guys we try to gas up JJ McCarthy,
big time prospect.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Am I watching this? What am I watching? Justin Jefferson's
wide open, he can't hit him. It's very, very difficult.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is really really hard the college game, even as
the games of morph a lot of it does not
translate to two Sundays or Thursday nights or Monday nights doubleheaders.
I mean so, I think sometimes we gotta be careful
about shitting on all these quarterbacks because most of them
are not Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
But the reality is most of the other guys aren't
like Tua.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
You know, think about that, Tua Tongaailoa is better than
like half the NFL the starting quarterbacks, let alone all
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Speaker 2 (26:45):
Let's get it on.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Can I hit on a quick Fugazi Friday? I think
sometimes conversations this week have been which if you listen
to any podcasts, watch any shows, just it's kind of
been everywhere. It's been impossible if you're in, you know,
following people on Twitter or on Instagram, seeing a lot
of talk on the tush push and talk about Tom Brady.

(27:14):
And I think one thing when people think that the
National Football League, they think like they really care about
all this stuff. And one thing I learned a long
time ago, and it really was evident in twenty eleven,
And when I think the NFL, I think rog and
the owners. Guess what, The owners don't always care about
what their gms and coaches do. Most of the times,

(27:37):
they don't really give a shit. You know, when the
league dramatically changed was in twenty eleven during the CBA
when the players were like, we want more money and
the league was like no. And then the players were like, Okay,
we'll take a little more money, but we want no
more double days and every fourth day in training camp

(27:59):
a day off, and limitations on pads and practice. And
the owners are like, uh uh so wait, we can
give you similar amount of money, but you just don't
want any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Do you know who?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
They didn't ask their coaches or their gms what they
thought about it, because there's not a coach alive that
would have been like, yeah, just get rid of double days,
give us limitations during the season when they can wear
shoulder pads and helmets. The owner said, uh yeah, sign
me up. And I think sometimes we think Roger Goodell,
who's obviously a pretty polarizing figure over the years, all

(28:34):
he cares about, and rightfully so, is making the.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
League more money. And the place where they make the
majority of their money.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think it's anywhere between like sixty to sixty five
percent is on the games on TV. And I thought
Colin had a pretty good take today about the push
push it's getting overused now. To me, where the play's
gonna die is because it's really boring to watch. And
it feels like every time you watch the Eagles, who
are gonna be playing in a lot of primetime games,
they're using it over and over and over again.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
But I'll promise you this.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Do you think Goodell cares logistically about where guys are
lining up, where you're pushing the integrity of the game,
the rule? He doesn't care at all. Honestly, he probably
likes it times people just talking about football the tush pushes,
But there gets to a point where he starts going, yeah,
people watching this, it's kind of turning people off. See ya,
It's over the Tom Brady situation, it's important, like back

(29:29):
in the day when the NBA let Michael Jordan buy
the Charlotte Bobcats for actually cheaper than market value because
they wanted Michael involved. Why, because he's the most important
sports figure at least of my lifetime, any sport, and
that includes Tom Brady. I think the NFL views Tom
similarly right. He wants to be involved. They want him involved.

(29:51):
It's just good for business to keep guys like him around. Well,
then Fox came after him because Fox wants to legitimize
as this thing changes and streamers get involved. They never
want to lose the NFL because if they ever lost
the NFL obviously would cripple their business, just like it
would NBC, CBS or whatever. And Tom having him, whether

(30:12):
it turns out he's really good, whether he's peaked wherever,
gives them a lot of credibility with advertisers, with the league.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's important.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
The league doesn't actually care that much if Tom like
finds out inside information on some random linebacker that the
Raiders sign in the year, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh,
I'm sure do They don't want But if you think
Roger Goodell worries about that you're you're high on some
good stuff because he does not give a shit. The

(30:42):
problem is is one only Tom Brady could pull this off,
because this headache, if it was the equivalent of Greg Olsen,
Mark Sanchez, whoever, just some former NFL player that's calling,
would not be worth their The headache and dealing with
these questions and getting calls from the Florios and the
Big Jay's be a pain in the ass. But's tom Brady.

(31:03):
So they deal with it, and they probably overlook it
and they're like, we'll just deal with it later. But
this situation to think that like they really worry about
the integrity. They do not care. They never really have.
They pretend to care. They only care about making more money.
And in fairness, that's their job. It's like running a
public company. What's their number one role to do whatever

(31:23):
is best.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
For the shareholders. That's all that matters.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
And for Roger and the league office when it comes
to the tush push, when it comes to Tom Brady,
the only thing truly they care about is this going
to slow us down for making more money? Like that's
his cutthroat as this league is so all this talk
about the integrity of jumping off side and the tush
push and Brady and the knowledge and listen, I've talked
a lot about this, But the end of the day, like,

(31:49):
if you think those people in New York are worrying
about it for the reasons that we are fans, are
you're You're just that's the biggest few guys on because
they just simply are not. Other than that, I'm pretty
excited for college football. Actually this weekend was putting together
a little parlay. I don't quite understand why Indiana is

(32:12):
favored by so much against Illinois, because Indiana plays nobody.
I'm really rooting for Bilama. But one story that came
out and will end on this is this college football
rule that they're gonna get rid of one of the
transfer portal times, so you only have one time a
year to go into the transfer portal, and that would
potentially be in the fall.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Some of the coaches have pushed back against it because
some of these teams are in the playoffs and it's complicated.
This whole college football thing is complicated.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
And there aren't easy answers to this.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I do think one thing they need to institute is
like a coach. If I sign a contract, there are stipulations.
I can't leave without a buyout and you can't fire
me without a buyout. I think if we got somehow
that hey, if you are coming out of high school
or in the transfer portal and you are going to
sign an nil contract, right if I sign a contract

(33:02):
with the volume whatever it stipulates for a year, for
two years, for five years, there are things on both
sides where it's like, you can't get rid of me
without giving me X and I can't go do this
without giving you why. That's usually the way business works,
and right now it does feel one sided.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I think a large.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Reason for this is the media was so adamant about
these guys not getting paid, which looking back watching them
paid feels so stupid that we went this long with like,
just allow them to have money, but with money like
all of us that earn money in the real world,
because that's what this is now. There are professionals. Usually
there's something behind it, unless you're you know, Kawhi Leonard

(33:44):
and you have a company pretended to plant trees. So
people feel good about getting in the private jet flying
to a state you know, three hours away to eat
lunch and flying back, and they don't want to feel
bad when they're tweeting about certain things.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
And it's a giant talking about a fugazi Ponzi scheme.
Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
But these guys are clearly being paid and listen most
of them, and Deon Sanders said this last year, like
I only see Travis and Shador in ads and now
arch manning most of these guys. They're not actually being
paid for the brand. They're just being paid to play.
That's fine, but there should be some like you can't
just take my money and then leave three months later.
I think it would solve a lot of issues. No

(34:21):
different than the NFL when I signed Josh Allen to
a five year contract. Even if I cut them after
two or three years, there's guaranteed money involved, Like there's
a give and take on both sides, And if you
look at this thing, I think it would be easy.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Solved, even if we just made it two years.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
You sign a contract for X amount of dollars. Maybe
if you play better, you could increase your value, but
you're stuck there for a couple of years now. Obviously,
if a coach gets fired, if a coach leads or
something like that happens, the transfer portal should open. I've
never had a problem with that, but just like, yeah,
I don't really like my situation, but I've been paid
now I'm just gonna bounce on you.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
That feels like an easy fix.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
It doesn't have to be a four year contract, but
there should be some rules. Even nic Nico is there
couple of years and then bounce like, I don't even
have that big an issue with it. Dumb move obviously
wasn't the correct move. Looks really bad. But you know,
Tennessee has has a skipped to beat that they easily
should have won that game. Easily strong, but they should
have won the game. But I do think some there

(35:17):
has to be some common sense that comes here. And
it does feel like we're limping in that direction. And
this is the power of the NFL, which isn't tied
to academics and all these separate conferences. It's like everything's
under one umbrella. Whether they agree or disagree, they all
kind of pull in the same direction. Their hands all

(35:37):
part of the same cookie jar. And in this situation,
like well Fox is paying me here, Well CBS is
paying me here, This conference you got. You got too
many different agendas, too many people pulling in different direction.
So it is really complicated. But I think the only
way to kind of settle everything down a little bit
is to make some just hard and fast rules, and

(35:59):
you can change the answer portal to once a year.
I still think you would have some similar issues arise. Okay,
as we head into week three, I said this the

(36:21):
other day, stucky. I you know, it's like middle of
summer and you're like, God, football can't get here fast enough.
All of a sudden, you blink. We're not that far
away from October. Football flies by h college football. I mean,
we're a week away from basically just being in conference play.
The NFL is off and running. I feel like, looking
at the board these last couple of weeks, it's not easy.

(36:42):
I feel like the last couple of years I've been
a lot more confident. I'm just looking at college looking
at the pros. I don't feel as confident as I
have in years past, a couple of weeks into the season.
Maybe that's parody all over all over football in general.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, I mean, sometimes you just don't you're not you
don't you don't feel it you just need. All you
need is one one good Saturday or Sunday, and you'll
you'll gain that clarity. But sometimes it's like that in
the beginning of the year NFL this, I will say,
NFL Week three is one of my favorite weeks. It
is generally an underdog week. And the reason for that,

(37:18):
I mean, if you go back historically week three underdogs
or fifty five percent owing two underdogs, So teams that
are owing to catching points since twenty ten, in Week
three they're forty twenty one and one against spread sixty
six percent, covering by about a field goal per game.
Why is that? You don't you never want to follow
any of these things blindly, but it makes sense. So

(37:39):
we a lot of times what happens after two weeks
is the overreactions in the market get pretty wild, and
you're almost better off just going into a coma for
the first two weeks in the NFL not seeing anything,
and then like sticking to what you've thought in your
priors before the year going into week three, for example,
like right now everyone is saying, think about it. You

(38:02):
watch dream Bay for two weeks, dream Bay looks like
the best team in the NFL. Does anyone want to
bet against them? No, I mean I did this week,
But then you watch the Browns lose by twenty four
last week? Does anyone want to bet the brown Sea?
But there's a world where the Packers are really good,
but they're not illegally like that, and they just had
a two It's a two game stretch. If you go

(38:22):
back in any season and you pull two random games
from the schedule out and then you look at that,
that's probably not indicative of what that team became. But
because that's all we have a lot of times, people
start anchoring to Okay, now this team's really good. Now
the Colts all of a sudden they're going to be
this juggernaut offense. Daniel Jones is good now, right, And
then you so you start to see like, now the

(38:44):
Colts are four point favorites at Tennessee instead of like,
you know, that game would have been under a field
goal before, it might have been a pick, or the
Titus might have been minus one before the season. So
you start to see this creep and market overreaction, and
generally speaking, you want to look for some of those
underdogs and buy low some of those zero and two underdogs.
For example, one of them is the Browns that I played.

(39:06):
I hate it. I love the packae package of my
only Super Bowl future. I better than Maddy. I think
they're really good. But the Browns defense is playing at
an elite level. So maybe Flacco gets you know, Parsons,
forces them into three turnovers and it goes sideways. But
the Browns defense people don't realize. Last week, that's what

(39:28):
happened in Baltimore. Baltimart had two hundred and forty total yards,
Henry had eleven carries for twenty yards. They couldn't do anything.
They did a couple of Lamar are awesome places of
doing what Lamar does. But and then the week before
they held the Bengals and Burrow to two yards in
the second half. So this might not be as easy
as a task for green Bay going on the road.

(39:48):
So I mean I took the eight and a half there.
It's scary. But those are some of the spots that
I look for in Week three where underdogs, generally speaking,
reigned supreme, and you usually will see a couple outright upsets,
which we haven't been seeing in the NFL. But I
have a sneaky suspicion we might see some some more
casts this week.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I think the pushback would be the Packers team speed
up front. In Flacco obviously is probably the most immobile
quarterback in the league.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Is that fair to say? Yes?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
That's that would be the scary point.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
How does he get away? I mean Parsons. Parsons looks
like he's running around like a dB right now. Obviously
now that back healed real, real quick once he signed
that piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yep, yeah, that would be the main concern. So the Browns,
I mean, Judkins look good. So the Brown's got to
run it here. They got to get rid of the
ball quick. But there's also a chance that the Packers
offensive line isn't fully healthy. And then Myles Garrett company,
they're getting a ton of pressure. They can wreck some
havoc on the Packers. So I took the eight and
a half. It's certainly scary though.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Well, I mean, let's just let's stay on board with
the NFL. I mean, that's one of my favorite My
favorite bet of the weekend is the Texans plus two
and a half at Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
They just like this is I mean the kitchen sink
game for him.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
I mean it feels it's crazy, but like we're not
even to the end of September and it feels like
they're seasons.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
On the line. Now. Granted their division you think would
be a little more open.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
But if the Colts just keep rattling off wins all
of a sudden, you're two and five and they're five
and two, it's pretty This isn't baseball or basketball. It's
hard to make up games, right. You need stuffs out
of your control. You need them to lose like three
in a row, and you cannot you margin forever zero.
So obviously the Jacksonville situation, he played more both ways

(41:25):
last game, had the big penalty. But uh, you know,
I don't know the Liam Cohen. You know, he's a
young coach screaming at Trevor Lawrence. I don't make that
much of that situation. But I don't know. I just
think Texan's getting points. I mean, this would have been
a game where I think a couple of weeks ago
you would have thought like, oh, Texans are gonna beat
the Jags. But now it's every like you said, everyone
just thinks the Texans stink their defense. I mean, it's

(41:47):
still fucking good. I mean, Baker pulled that play out
of his ass on fourth and ten. I just listened.
I mean, I think Baker's dramatically better than Trevor Lawrence.
And I'm just taking the Texans here.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I'm out of the Titans. I will eventually wave them
with a white flag. I'm not quite out on the
Texans yet.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I mean, I don't play. These are the spots
that you have to look for in Week three, and
like divisional road divisional dogs that are zero and two
generally if performed well. And look, the Texans are two
plays away from potentially being two and zero right they
fourth and ten, they had Mayfield there, they whiffed on
a sack that would have ended the game. And then

(42:28):
against the Rams like they fumble late and in that
game they had a bunch of offensive line injuries. My fear,
I mean, it is a short week, so it's not
the best. But my fear is and Brian Thomas Junior.
I don't know if he's heard or what's going on there,
but that could help the Texans as well. My fear
is just that the offense, the Texans offense looks like
last year and this was supposed to be an evolved

(42:49):
scheme under Nick Kelly, who came from the mcvatree that
got rid of Slowick. But like, you look, there's the
motion rates are down, the play action is these are
the things that we were supposed to start seeing too
many early down run it looked like just the same
exact offense that we knew the offensive line was gonna
be great, but I was expecting some more innovation and
creativity to make up for some of those deficiencies which

(43:12):
were not seeing, which concerns me a bit. And I've
liked the Jags offense has definitely improved under Cohen, like
just schematically some of the things they're doing in the
run game, in the screen game, and I like that
they're they're they're playing more zone on defense, which matches
the skill set of their defense. So I like some
of the things that Jackson are And they should have
beat the Bengals, but it's pretty damning that they lost

(43:34):
after Burrow went down. So like, the Jags can always
pull a Jag, so I don't blame you for taking
the points there.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, the other game is you know these are divisional
early matchups. Obviously the Chargers beat Denver. They beat every
team of their division, and they are poy especially getting
the news yesterday that Khalil Mack you know, avoided disaster
and will be back, because I did think if he
was out for the season, it's easy to patch something
up for a game that that'd be a pretty big
blow for them. You know what he brings to the table,

(44:02):
just in terms of his play against the run. Clearly
they talked about him, just like his presence with them.
Clearly Jim loves the guy. I mean, his big thing
this offseason was to resign him. But short week, not
only short week, like extra short. Right, they had a
couple hour later kickoff. Now Vegas to la is not
a long flight, but Monday basically they get nothing out

(44:24):
of So by the time they get to the offense
it's four or five in the morning on Tuesday, they're
twenty four hours behind a top flight coach and coaching
staff in Denver that just had a devastating l Right,
and this is the way you just described it, getting
Denver two and a half points.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Let's face it, the Chargers have no home.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Field advantage, so it's not like I factor that in
at all. Little like the Texans little less because they
already have a win and you know, listen, they easily
could have won that game in Indy. It was a
big game for Denver, you know. I mean the Chargers
after winning those two games got a little breathing room.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I just think two and a half. I actually think
I'm not out on Denver. I know some people are
a little worried. You know.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Defensively, what was the knock, right, They didn't really play
any quarterbacks last year.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I do think Daniel Jones is playing pretty well.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I mean, you just watch the Golts. He's just slinging
it to those guys. They have good offensive weapons. It's
not like the Colts are just some are the Patriots
with nobody to throw it like. They have really good players,
especially Tyler if Tyler Warren's going to be this good
Jonathan Taylor Pittman's a good player. So I don't think
that loss the ending is really bad. But losing to
the Colts when we look back at the end of

(45:33):
the year might not look as bad if.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
They're a ten or eleven win team.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, I mean the knock on the Denver defense is
it's not on anything, not on anything. They're doing as
far as building that team or the roster, the personnelity,
they actually like improve their defense, and their defense was
the best defense in the NFL last year. It's just
the defense is there's it's highly varyingt from one year
to the next, like you just don't know. It's very unpredictable.

(45:57):
In the offense is much more steady on a year
to year basis. Going into last year, everyone thought the
Jets and the Browns were gonna be like two of
the top five defenses, and they fell off a cliff.
It looks like the Browns might be back like just
like because all their secondary guys just had a bad
year all at once. So the Denver defense might just
naturally regress on a year to year basis, which would

(46:20):
be the knock there. But yeah, you mentioned the home field.
There's not much. It's a short week. I think that
if you get them, let me look, this is the
Chargers have taken some money. You might be able to
get three. So I would wait, you know, if it.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Was two and a half this morning when I look, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
If you can get it, looks like it might touch three.
I think you have to look at Denver here I
also think it's it could be a sneaky over, like
the Chargers' offense looks incredible, or throwing at a ton.
They're letting Herbert just cook. But in order to beat
this Chargers defense, which I mean, they're so well schooled
on her Minter, they're on a lot of quarters, they're

(46:58):
gonna they're just can't get anything downfield.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
They look they look fucking good. I mean they tackled.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, they look like the Ravens or Mike McDonald. I mean,
it's it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So what you have to do. You have to you
have to move the ball number one on the ground.
You have to run it. And the Broncos should be
able to do that. Really good offensive line and they
can move there. But then you have to short pass
and officially move down there. And that's kind of the
Denver offense. So you know, it's not like they're relying
on explosive plays and like that. The Raiders were trying

(47:28):
to just kept trying to hit deep throz and you're
just not going to do that against uh against I
definitely don't mind those looks.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I you know, it.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Wasn't necessary. The score I felt was closer than the game.
But going in, I'm like Chip Kelly Ohio State last
year against the Michigan guys and then early on they're.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Just getting punked.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I'm like, there's something about his scheme now it's different
than maybe it was back when he was in Philadelphia,
where I thought, if you go back and look, when
they played physical teams, he really struggled.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, uh, I would agree with you there which side?
What are you what are you looking at? Which side for?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I'm just talking Denver plus too, and you know in
that or excuse me, the Charger game against you know,
the Raiders where it's like, you know, his he just
there's something soft about just the way he coaches, and
I understand that it's changed. I would say the same
thing for Cliff in Washington if you go back, I
just vividly remember some of these Eagles games when they
would play, you know, a physical front and it's just

(48:31):
a problem for and this same thing with Cliff. It's
just any spread type offense where there's something with let's
say Jim Harbaugh or John Harbaugh or now Dan Campbell.
I think it gets down to the way you practice,
and the way you practice establishes a physicality.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Uh, you know, do you think there's a high correlation
between like the coach and the identity of the coach
and the staff and then the actual physical nature of
what you see on the field.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I think because I think now Pete Carroll is a
tough guy and a physical guy, but like ultimately he
has nothing to do with the offensive script like he's
not telling Chip what to run, so like his mentality,
like his defense, they were playing hard. I mean they
have tough physical guys obviously Max and you know Chip,
if you give him years, he will build a tough

(49:18):
Jamal Adams. It's it's clear who the one that loved
Jamal Adams in that trade was. And honestly, it's pretty
impressive Jamal's changed positions. My point is, I guess I
understand what Pete likes, but when you are have nothing
to do with the side of the ball. That's what
makes Jim so impressive is Jim's not the play caller,
but what he demands out of his philosophical belief in

(49:39):
offense translates to the defense, something he has nothing to
do with because the way they practice, and this is
a Coach Reid thing, Like coach Reid, who.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Is more of a passing game guy.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
All this players say are camps are really physical, and
so if he has the right players right when he
got to Kansas City, and then as they've transitioned with Spags,
they've got better players.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Again.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
On defense, they've been a really physical defense. Even though
you go, well, he doesn't even want to call runs.
It's not about that. It's the mentality that you get
in practice. Look at the Ravens, like, why do all
these guys that go out from the race. I was
thinking about this the other day, like Belichick's coaching tree
is so shitty. Now the Ravens are multiple coaches, right,
it's Billick and Harbaugh. Think how many coaches they have

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put out over the last twenty five years all over
the league. Not even just head coaches, but coordinators up
and comers, Dan Lynn. I mean, they got guys in college.
It's fucking insane because I think it's like they see
in practice, this works.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
This would work in high school.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
This would work in the pros, This would work in college.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
It always translates.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Being a good physical team, because if you're a good
physical team, that means you're mentally tough and you tackle well, like,
how many teams do you watch Saturdays and Sundays like that.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
That's a bad tackling team.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yep. Yeah. And plus you gotta give Carol just got there.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not holding him. I'm just saying
that the Chip scheme big picture. Yeah, you know, when
they try to get into like Okay, let's get in
the let's throw blows with Mike Tyson, he cannot win
that way.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
He cannot.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
And it goes back to when he lost to Auburn. Obviously,
he i would say, has expanded his passing game over
the years. You have to and you know they have
better players and they got hot in Ohio State and listen,
Geno's a solid player, but like Ashton Genty, it's not
you know, their offensive line, what would you say average at.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Best for the Ravers. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
So it's like in Ashton Genty, this was my thing
taking him six overall, it's like you're not getting like
Walter Payton or Barry Sanders here.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
He's a good college player, but he's not.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Even think about some of the best prospects over the
last decade, McCaffrey, Bijon, Saquon, he's not on there's not
a scout alive that would put him on their tier,
including spy tech. Now, relative to a draft class, you
can only go off like what's presented on that given year.
And I guess I understand it, but I think a
lot of people are like, where's Adrian Peterson? Like, guys,

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that's not what you were getting here.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, and harbou. The Charges never would have made that move,
like everyone wanted them to draft the receiver and they
went offensive tackle. And that's how like Carball is building
that identity of how the team wants to be. And look,
the passing attack is electric right now.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, and that's where he just and I know, you
know you saw Roman in Baltimore, like Herbert is.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I mean, I think he can.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
He's if he stays healthy, he can win an MVP
in the NFL, like he is a special League and
win a super Bowl. He's an elite talent and like
they have kind of transitioned like he's our best player,
so let's let him rip. And you got to give
credit for the Keenan Allen situation. He's just a pro.
Mccaucky's a stud, you know. I what's your take early

(52:42):
on the running back from North Carolina Hampton, I was like,
you know, he looks a little slow to me.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, their running game hasn't been as eye catching as
I thought it might be, which is maybe why they're
going more pass heavy and it's working. Maybe it's like
we'll end up just unleashing Herbert than unlocking the full
potential of this offense. But I haven't been overly wowed
so far.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
We can talk about the Steelers game now. I would
say what the Steelers were most of are like, you know,
fifteen twenty years ago, even up until the last six
or seven years. That now is going to be the
Chargers moving forward because they are like parallel Baltimore, where
I think they could play Baltimore and at least have
a chance because they are built like them. Where the
Steelers have turned into this team that you know last week,

(53:42):
I was wrong on Caleb Johnson. Maybe I didn't study
him hard enough, but I feel like I watched a
decent amount of Iowa game. I remember watching like YouTube
highlights and thinking like, I think this guy's pretty good player.
He's been a disaster, and that play was I mean,
would you be a little stunned if he's not just
your classic like healthy scratch this week kind of you
know coaching move. Yeah, but they get the ball or

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they have a chance to just get a stop, get
the ball back down a touchdown, and Seattle scores. It's like,
I can't. Part of the reason I kind of believed
in this team was I thought their defense gonna be
really good. They've been atrocious. Now they're going to New England,
who I don't think is really that talented.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
If if, if the Steelers are.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Gonna be anything, they go on the road and they
win this game, and obviously they would win, they would
cover this, But I just don't have that much faith
in Pittsburgh. I think this has got to be this
week kind of a rally the troops all time. If
Mike Tomlin still has it, then he gets it this week.
If he doesn't, like we might be looking at truly
the beginning of the end of this situation. If like

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Mike Vrabel and this pretty average roster can take down
this highly paid.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Bunch of veteran Aaron Rodgers led squad.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, the problem for the Steelers this I mean, maybe
this is the first year they finally have losing record,
which hasn't happened in many moons, never under Tomlin. Uh.
The problem with the steel they have so many defensive
injuries right now, so I don't even know who's gonna play.
They might be down four or five starters, key starters,
so we'll see, like high Smith Porter if they have Elliott.

(55:11):
They have injuries all over. The defense has been horrendous
and it's been bad. I mean, they paid a Watt
all that money, but Watt is clearly not the same
impactful player that he once was. And if you used
to look at the splits with the Steelers when he
was on and off the field, when he was injured
for a couple of games, they were drastic and like,
that's what they look like right now.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Think about which wouldn't that be a problem. They just
invested one hundred million dollars. Let's use the other two guys.
Miles Garrett still looks elite. I would say, watching Max
against the Chargers, I know his team's not good. Every
team in the league would sign up for Max Crosby
on that contract. If Watt falls off that tier, those
three guys that just got paid, you got a financial
problem on your hands big time.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I would not have done it, but like I can
see why they had to do it. It's like why
it's the face of the franchise, but you already have
like other good edge rushers and he was just his
age and I would not have dedicated. Like the Steelers,
what they need to do is they need to reset
this whole thing, like they've just been this nine and
eighteen for since Ben left and then they're not like

(56:15):
they just get to they get the they sneak into
the playoffs and lose, and they need to just full
reset it. That contract didn't help, especially if what it's
gonna fall off. But think about what how the Jets
looked against the Steelers and then how the Jets looked
last week, Like that's the state of their defense. The
Seahawks in Week one against the forty nine Ers versus
last week, they're going up and down the field. So yeah,

(56:38):
that defense is problematic. The Patriots defense is also be
in bed. But they might get Christian Gonzales back that
could be huge. He practiced yesterday the first time since July.
So with the points, it was New England or nothing
for me. By the way, you mentioned that Caleb Johnson play.
They're The only other time I can remember that happening
was actually another Steelers rookie. It was I don't know,

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you remember this game. He ended up going on to
have a good career. I forget his name, Perry or something.
He was a rookie running back I think ninety in
the nineties and had candlestick against the Niners. The Niners
kicked it off and it just landed at the five,
and he didn't know that he had to he had
to stood there, and he just stood there and then

(57:20):
the forty nine Ers picked it up and scored. Like
that's the only other time. It was funny because it
was also a Steelers rookie, so maybe he can bounce back.
But yeah, that was a huge blunder.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I just I mean that visual.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
You know. Danny Smith is probably one of the more
famous special teams coach in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
He's pretty He's.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Like a small or shorter version of Pete Carroll, always
chewing gum, stopping around and you just see him in
the background and Cale's walking towards the sideline. It's like,
what are you doing now? It was also kind of sketchy.
I never was on a slow mo version. Did did
he have possession before he fell out of the end zone,
like it was kind of a shot.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Talk about that. Look at that more.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
It did not seem like he caught it like two
yards in and just was celebrated he rolled out of
the end zone.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Was the ball in his hands?

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, I don't know why they didn't. Everyone was confused.
I think because it's like this new rule. I think
everyone on the field, the rest, the announcers, everyone was confused.
And I don't know if you have full possession for
like that was just so bizarre. And yeah, he was
just jogging off the field like okay, go ahead, offense,
it's your turn. What a disaster, didn't It ended the
game pretty much like seventeen fourteen, And.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
You know Rogers talking about like the league. You know,
I know the league's buying area, but we can't be
like that.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Aaron. You're not thirty four. You didn't just sign a
five year contract. It's all about wins and losses this year,
Like this is an all in situation.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
This isn't Nick Saban in the process for you guys,
Like this was about you trying to be a ten eleven,
twelve win team, win a playoff game, you know, have
a successful season. This is not about like for the
next five years teaching the squad. What the fuck are
we talking about? Yeah, and I think he's saying that
because he knows, like, maybe we're not as good as
I thought when I signed up. And that's you know,

(58:58):
like when Farv did the thing Minnesota, you look back like, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Had a pretty good roster, you know, was that pretty
was pretty stacked.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
They had this other guy I think it was like
twenty four years old named Adrian Peterson that was unstoppable.
Like if I put Adrian Peters on the Steeler team,
they're probably a little bit different, and they just ended
in the ball a lot.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
He's a freak show. Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
It's a big, big, big week for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
I mean it's huge.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I think you get a break because maybe the Vikings
and Bengals are coming up on your schedule, so you
get a break that like no Barrow, the Vikings injuring
quarterback situation and you host the Browns, so that could help.
But this will be a very telling game, as you
alluded to on like where this team is and where
Tomlin is.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
I think the two teams that it's borderline must win
given the hype and how much we talk about these
two teams, Steelers at Chicago and you know the Chicago thing, we.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Talked about it last week.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
It was hard because you only had the one game
evidence with the Lions pretty clear Lions at home. I mean,
they're gonna be pretty explosive in the dome.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
We'll see see how it plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Obviously, they have a massive game Monday night where a
couple of years ago, your squad beat the living piss
out of them. I remember watching that game on my
couch and it was it was over before it even
wasn't like twenty eight nothing after the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah, nothing at one point. It was one of the
easiest bets I've ever won. Their three point favorites at home.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
It was it was a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Now, maybe this Lion's team, who will dive into in
a second, is like a lot of the core guys
on that team are much more established, better players now
a little older, so it's it's probably a little bit
different animal though the coaching probably worse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
This Chicago thing, I mean that was I mean they quit,
I mean they just they just tapped out. Even their
coach admitted it like we got to start judging guys
a little harsher in practice, because in his comments this week,
like he's under fire. Obviously, the GM's under fire, the
quarterbacks under fire. Dallas gets a little house money. They
they You know, one thing I learned when I was

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in the NFL is like when you talk about guys
in zone defense, a linebacker, especially as like a zone dropper,
it's so easy to be justified for him, like, well,
I just drop back my seven yards and two yards over.
That's the landmark you told me. And then there comes
to a point where you like kind of gotta be
a football player and the linebacker just drop back. Ferguson
is two yards away from you. Yeah, I know you're

(01:01:11):
supposed to be there, but the fucking guy is right
next to you cover him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I mean that's just that's like football one on one Saban.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And Belichick with Puke Mike McDonald, like they can't even fathom.
So I just Dallas got pretty lucky. I think that
you get that completion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
The kicker they benefit from their offense is good. I
mean they got two good wide receivers. Chicago's injuries in
the secondary, the eber Fluce Bowl here. This would be
something you know, I know from a gambling standpoint, you
gotta be careful about the narrator. But you can already
see if Dallas were to win this game and they
get a couple of stops on defense and Kayler looks
a little weird, eber Flu's coming in handed him the

(01:01:50):
game ball after the game, because you know that would happen.
This is this is must win for Chicago from the
simple fact of their season could just become like the
negativity surrounding them, it'd be impossible to shet off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
In their schedule. Is they look at the division there
and like they have to win this game. Uh yeah,
they're secondaries in shambles. That was part of the reason
why Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Well, Jalen's out for the year now, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, it looks like I don't think it's confirmed, but
it looks that's the word.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It's definitely out this week.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, And Kyler Gordon's week to week, he's like the
MVP of their defense, their other corner. So like their
corners now are in shambles. And and Campbell was running
it up too, and he wanted to stick it to Johnson,
but they're they're like number one corners Tyreek Stevenson, Now,
who's not good. He should be like your three, maybe
not even your three. He's given up a one fifty

(01:02:41):
eight point three perfect passer ratings so far this year.
So that's not great against Lamb and Pickens. But I
think you have to take I mean, so their defensive master,
they're not even getting pressure. They can't get pressure. They're
just playing a ton of man like Dennis Allen man
and they don't have winners. So like what do you
what do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
You even Montes sweat? I thought he was good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Uh yeah, he might be falling off of it. But
they just they don't have a bunch of they don't
have any other passwatch he gets a ton of attention,
So like they're not It's I don't know, it's very bizarre.
They're just playing like Dennis Allen's a man guy. And
obviously every team mixes it up with man, but as
far as like percentage of man, they're they're on the
high end. And like you don't have the corners to
do that or so at least you gotta blitz or

(01:03:25):
do something. Like the Dolphins, you'll watch like their secondary
is so bad and it's so injured, like similar to
the Bears that they're just blitzing like sixty percent of
the time, because I mean, why not, You're not You're
not going to stop anything. You can't get a quarterback
time because you can't cover, so you've got to like
just try to create chaos and try to force the turners.

(01:03:46):
I don't know what the Bears are. Maybe they'll switch
it up this week, but I think you have to
bet the Bears this week. Look number one, First of all,
they should have won week one, like they should be
one on one. The Cowboy's easily to be oing too.
Now that the the Bears are catching points at home,
like this is the Cowboys outdoors, there might be some weather.
They're coming off of an overtime game. Their defense is

(01:04:06):
also horrendous. Deron Bland probably won't play, so their secondary
is in shambles. Can Aleb Williams actually make the throws?
I didn't. It's hard to trust them. But look, they
just lost by thirty. It's usually when I jump in
teams that after the week after losing by thirty fifty
five percent. Historically, like sample size of like three hundred
games as a dog or a favorite, less than a

(01:04:30):
field goal, that that number goes up to about sixty
one percent. So yeah, an zero to two underdog here,
desperate spot. I think Johnson and Johnson owns that Ebraflus defense,
and that Ebrafluse defense is just not going to work
with the with Dallas's personnel. Number one, you don't have
Parsons anymore, and then especially I don't have to blend

(01:04:50):
your secondaries in chambeles, but you're they don't have the linebackers,
and that's like the whole key to you were just
mentioning dropping zones. Like in order for Ebraflues to run
his zone heavy defense, it is super reliant on number one.
You're gonna have to get pressure naturally, that's where they're
gonna miss Parsons, but it's super reliant on those uh,

(01:05:10):
really athletic linebackers that can fill voids and work the
middle of the field, freeing up others. Like they just
don't have that. Their linebackers aren't that good. So I
think you got to trust the spot and the Bears
bouncing back like it helps at its outdoors and Dallas's
offense just isn't the same there. But it's scary, like
They're gonna have to score Caaleb's gonna have to be

(01:05:31):
good because you're their secondary right now, is just not
gonna hold down Lamb and in pickings all game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I mean this game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I mean, both these two teams could be like six
win teams, but it's the Tom Brady who's obviously back
in the headline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
There would be a lot of people watching.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
This thing, you know, after they're gonna be you talk
about takes flying Monday. There would be a lot of
people having thoughts on this game because you know the
Niners Cardinals, which two two and oh teams. Now, granted,
you know the Cardinals will play nobody and the Niners
just got.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
To play the Saints.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
But I mean, this is I was looking at they
I was watching that the Jim McAfee put up, like
all the records of all the divisions, this division seven
to one, right, and one of the losses came because
they played each other in Seattle in San Francisco. Yeah,
but this is why, like the schedule matters, and I understand,

(01:06:24):
Like I was like on Colin Show and Edelman was there.
He got offended by saying easy schedules. Now he's been
taught by Belichick, but there's a big difference of playing
mac Jones on the road against the Saints instead of
playing the Bills or the Packers. Like, I'm sorry, they benefit.
Like if the Niners go eleven, if they're an eleven
win team, if they had a hard schedule, they could

(01:06:44):
have been an eight win team. It's really going to
impact them, especially as they're playing young guys Mac Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I'm sorry, but yeah, exactly. I don't know if the
Cardinals are good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
I do know that they have been a problem and
Kyler specifically even in losses for the Niners, with him
scrambling around, Like when they have been well coached under
Demico and Sala, like good, good lane, disciplined and being
in there, it's hard to coach against this little fucking
guy because every time I look up when they're playing
the Panthers or they're playing the Saints in games.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
That're like it's like whatever, they're gonna win this thing.
You just see this little guy running around back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Here you talk about backyard football with Caleb there is
no more backyard football player in the NFL than Caler Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Which he's really talented. So it makes like if he's on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
It's hard now Marvin Harrison like that pick was the
wrong pick, Like he's never gonna be Molikue neighbors. And
they McBride's a good player. They have some offensive weapons. Defensively,
they have more talent on defense. But what's your take
on the Cardinals? To me, my bet on this one
good Niners backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Like it makes me a little nervous though, I you know,
as we're recording this on definitely out I keep going,
he's not definitely out here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
They're probably gonna sit him like they're two and hour, right, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I think after winning that game, it gives them a
little breathing room. Yeah, I like the under in this game.
I looked this more than it was forty five and
a half, Like I can see this being a lower
scoring kind of ugly game. But to me, Kyler just
I could see him just like having a rushing touchdown
in the second half when a tie, like in a
thirteen thirteen game, all of a sudden, the Niners are
down and they struggled to score with Mac Jones, that
would be the that's that's there, that's the Cardinals path

(01:08:23):
to winning.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Is Kyler just making shit up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah, Mac Jones, he looked. He looked decent enough last week,
by the way, I had that over. I talked about
that over because I was like, these two play callers
indoors and luckily got there. But I was sat down
to watch it and I'm like, oh, Also, the forty
nine ers have a new kicker, and of course the
new kicker misses an extra point that I'm like, this
is maybe this is a forty nine Ers thing that's

(01:08:46):
just never gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
The Saint One takeaway, The Saints offense is better than
the perception I think by people that aren't paying attention.
They have good wide receivers, tight ends, good player, Kamar
is good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Rattler is not terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah, he's playing. He's playing like at an average level
so far this season. We'll see if he can keep
it up. Like obviously he's been at home.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
He's not the perception of him though, I think, yeah, screed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, they had the ball late in like both games twice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah, I mean that they had it twice in the
Niners game with a chance, you know, down for five points.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
The the problem with this game, like, I don't the
mat I don't know who's going to start mac Jones
or if it's pretty The one of the biggest things
to keep an eye on the Cardinals secondary. We just
talked about secondaries that are in shambles. The Cardinals cornerback
room is decimated. They all their three starters got hurt
last week.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
So one of the when is there one of their
best corners in training camp for the season.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I think they lost.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, they lost the corner in trading camp, but they
Will Johnson didn't practice yesterday. I haven't seen today. He's
looked out standing, but he got hurt. Melton got hurt
and they put Williams on ir uh, so they might
be without three starting corners, and their corners were starting
to look pretty good. I like the room because Will

(01:10:07):
Johnson hit and like if yeah, seriously, but now, like
it's not if you lose one your one corner and
then like another couple of weeks later, like that's bad,
but three in the same week and then you got it,
like that's and they run a lot of complex stuff.

(01:10:27):
They run some of the best stuff schematically in the league.
So I don't know, like that is are the forty
nine ers fully capable of exploiting that with their passing attack.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Maybe Jennings made some plays last week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, so it could be a disaster for the Cardinals defense.
I don't know how they're gonna handle it. They might
just go they might be forced to just go super
conservative and play insane coverage and just prevent explosives, and
or they just switch it up and say we're gonna
come after. So I don't know they're gonna play it.

(01:11:04):
I also don't know exactly if like all three are out,
So as of right now, I can't bet it, but
that if you want to bet that game and you're
just looking into it, keep an eye on the injury
report for the Cardinals because it would be pretty bad
if they're without Let me see if there's an update, y.
I mean they're on the West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, so Garay Williams on he's on I R. And
I mean, yeah, earlier this season they lost. I mean,
Murphy Bunning's out, Darling Thomas is on IR. But will
Johnson and Max Knowing if they're out like you're talking about,
I mean, I know most rosters I don't even know,
like Denzel Burke, I think who ah, like that's probably

(01:11:51):
you would start. He's another rookie, wasn't supposed to play,
like I don't even know the other corner. It's like
you're talking like you'd also the kid, this guy Clark
who will probably play Nickel, so like, hey, they're secondary
could be in complete shambles. So that's that with my

(01:12:12):
hesitation for the under there, and then that would be
my hesitation for like wanting to back the Cardinals. So like, uh,
if you want to get on a San Fran under three,
I wouldn't blame anyone because it just could be a
very bad situation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
The the other thing that this is why I always
say in the draft there is no such thing as
a high floor, right, I mean talented guys from big
programs or asking Genty who almost shatters Berry's fan, you
just never know. Everyone's like Marvin Harrison cannot miss? Well,
what if he can't because the quarterback and him they
have no cohesion. He keeps saying like, hey, it's just

(01:12:46):
Kyler always has weird comments, like the situation now is
it wasn't just last year, it's carrying into this year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
He's got eleven targets.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Through two games and every time I hear, like, see
a clip of Kyler, it doesn't feel like he's ready
to force feed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Him the rock. I mean, clearly Kyler doesn't think he's
as good. Is the way everyone told me that Marvin
Harrison was as good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, and they like the Cardinals are like I think
their staff is really smart, their coordinators, their head coach Tarlie.
But and they're building this team in the right way.
Obviously it'd be so much better at that neighbors. But
they need like this is a team, like I've met
them to go to the playoffs this year. This is
a team that their win total was like eight and

(01:13:27):
a half, Like they're expected to be a winning team
in order to get there. And then, like we just
talked about this division is going to be a war,
they need Harrison to hit, Like, yeah, the run game
is gonna be good and McBride's gonna be good. But
they look at their other receivers. It's like Zay Jones
and Michael Wilson. It's like if Harrison doesn't hit, like
you're you're building that offense on, Like, Okay, you got

(01:13:49):
McBride a good run game, and then we have our
top pick that's going to be the stud number one,
and then you can have role players. But if he's
not the alpha one, it just doesn't work and the
ceiling of that offense is so much lower.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Okay, two more games, Let's go Rams Eagles. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
You know I saw the highlight I remember last year
in that playoff game. Was it the first drive where
Jalen busted a long runner? Was like the first couple
of plays of the game. And clearly if he's run
around making plays, their offense is a different animal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
You watch them this year, I mean, their passing game
is atrocious. People people making.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Fun of Chris Jones for saying the comment. All he's
saying is like, you don't get to say, shit, you
didn't do a goddamn thing beside the fucking tush push.
You're throwing one hundred yards a game. You're the defending champs.
Like I'm on Chris Jones side. They're like, yeah, we
lost the game, but like, you don't get to boast,
you know, of all the people, I just think they're
passing game, like the thing with Philly, And you know,

(01:15:01):
I haven't grown up there that it's good they're two
and oh they're defending Jamps. But the undercurrent is like,
what's up of their offensive coordinator. And we have seen
this now twice in the last four years.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Their coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
When they get it right, they're unstoppable. Well, right now
the passing game, something just looks up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
It's not like A J.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Brown's not there. It's not like Devonte Smith's not there.
It's not like their offensive line's not there. Some's off now. Luckily,
their defense is well coached. They got the Chiefs who
struggling offensively. But some something concerns me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
And it's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
I've never betting the Titans again stucky until like Steve
mcdaer two point zero shows up. But the Rams, I
think it looked pretty good. I mean, if Stafford's healthy,
like I like the Rams in this spot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, I agree, I play the Rams. It's getting Goddard back.
I believe that he should play. That'll help the Eagles.
But yeah, their offense is broken, like there's no creativity.
There's they're telegraphing their plays like when when what they
they're in is you can tell when they're running or passing.
It's really bad. It could just be a Brian Johnson
two point zero situation. Think about this. They've only completed

(01:16:05):
two passes over ten yards in two weeks. One of
them was just a jump ball to DeVante Smith down
the side. Yeah, that was it. That's it. And they
played the Cowboys, who just gave up seven trillion passing
yards to Russell Wilson. And then they played the Chiefs,
who has issues on the back end, like the Chargers
ripped them apart, like this is not the same chief

(01:16:26):
secondary and they couldn't do anything. And yeah, the Rams,
their offense and the Eagles defense is going to take
a step back. They lost a ton of talent, They're
not getting as much pressure. So yeah, I mean this
is big revenge spot for the Rams. McVeigh eighteen eleven
and two against the spread as an underdog of more
than three points. He also his teams are always ready

(01:16:47):
and prepared for these East Coast games. I don't know
what he does the routine that they have, but he's
has has had. He has had as much success as
any head coach NFL going west to East. He's fourteen
seven and one against the spread in the Eastern time
zone sixty seven percent, covering by about six points per game.
Just look at last year, like with older Stafford in

(01:17:08):
the snow. They were twenty yards away from beating the Eagles,
who went went on to dominate the Super Bowl. So yeah,
I mean, the Rams have had this game circle. Their
defense is playing well, their offense is on fire. DeVonta
Adams has been an upgrade effort, is playing out of
his mind. He's apparently ageless. The other thing is this

(01:17:31):
is like really in the weeds. But if I had,
if I could bet this, I would all this discourse
around the Tushbush and mcday went to the league this
week on Wednesday, and he used to be on the
rules committee. He went to the league and wanted to
talk about the tush push. Well, everyone's talking about this.
Everyone clearly saw that the Eagles went you know, they

(01:17:52):
were lining up all sides. There was a couple of
false starts that they didn't call. Now there's also a
couple new zone infractions that they weren't called. But all
this talk about it, every show is talking about it,
like all over Twitter. So what I think is going
to happen this week is you're going to see like,
I don't know, three or four penalties on it, depending
on how often it gets wrung. But it's just such
a huge swing play. And here's the thing. If it's

(01:18:16):
on the defense, so if they're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Like say, okay, here, neutral zone, it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Doesn't really matter because the Eagles were going to get
it anyway. So it's just five yards. But the difference
between the Eagles like fourth and one at the goal line, Oh,
they're going to score. But if they call the false start,
that's four points off the board. Yeah, if it's at
the fifty yard line and you call it instead of
keeping your drive going, that's a punt. So it's way
more detrimental to call it on the offense. I think
they're going to make an example maybe of both sides,

(01:18:41):
so that could help the Rams. I think you're going
to see those calls also, Like the Eagles when they're
laying they're like the New Chiefs, Like when they're laying
over a field goal, Like this offense just looks like
a can't build margin. But if they're winning by a
field goal, like they're more likely than any team in
the NFL to win by just a field goal because
if they have the ball up a field goal with
like nine minutes to go, they're gonna go three yards

(01:19:03):
three yards toush Bush touch Bush, four minutes off the clock,
three yards. It took Service Academy. And then they're gonna
and then they're gonna go thirty yards down the field
in eight minutes and then take knees and then if
you bet the Eagles, you're like, oh my god. But
uh yeah, I like the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Look out the penalties in the touch push.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
It, Well, you're right, they call the false start on
the offense. The touch push is dead right if that
happened on that individual drive. Now, I haven't broken down
every time, obviously, they don't jump every time. They clearly
were doing against the Chiefs, you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Know, and they should have lost that. They should have
lost that Chiefs game. Kelsey catches it was. That play
was worth negative seven and a half expected points. I
go from a touchdown to sixty yards the other way
and then a touchdown like that was as big of
a swing as you'll ever see in an NFL game.
So yeah, the Eagles. Eagles have certainly been a bit lucky,

(01:19:56):
which is covered up. They're still good and but like
I think about all that, you're opposite ceedee lambad. Like
the Cowboys could have beat them in Week one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
They well, they better take advantage of it. Do you
expect the Tousch push to get banned in the middle
of the season, Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Not, right, No, I don't think they can do it.
They'd have to do it in the off season.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Last year, yeah, because there were two votes short and now,
like I think that game on, Like that game just
magnified it and it probably among a couple of people.
I think the twelve percent of their plays this year
have been the Tousch push, which is insane. So I'm
sure the NFL doesn't like it because like it's it's
just boring, right, and they're trying to like increase action

(01:20:39):
and points and like part of the kickoff rule was
that and like the Eagles going on an eight minute
rugby drive probably isn't the the best entertainment product, which
at the end of the day, that's partly what they're
they're trying to put out. So yeah, I wouldn't be
shocked if if it does get banned in this offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yeah, before I jumped on, I was going over the
board and had cowered On in the back and you
know his he was basically and I totally agree that
you know, the shift wasn't that big a deal when
a couple teams did it here and there for a
player or two. When everybody did it for every guy
in the lineup, it became like, we can't watch this anymore.
Hack a shack for Shaquille O'Neal, no big deal. But
when you start hacking literally every big guy, they can't

(01:21:22):
chew free throws, no one's gonna want to watch this.
Like it was a tough watch last I mean, this
is ultimately entertainment, and it's really boring to watch when
part of football is you don't know what's gonna happen.
Even someone DM me like, why don't you just ban
the quarterback sneak because quarterback sneaks get stuffed all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
And the other thing is like that anyone for the
Eagles could run it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
I disagree because if you put Tanner McKee on the
play where Chris Jones jumps over and grabs Jalen, I
don't think Tanner McKee has the strength to drag Chris Jones,
but Jalen is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
You can spot like, yeah, he's the strongest quarterback of
all time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Who's also you know, even like Cam and Josh they're
leverage because there's so much taller.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
They're like basketball players.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Jalen's built like Saquon, So it's it's it's an outlier situation.
It's as much him to me as the offensive line,
which obviously they have a powerful offensive line, but they
have this fucking quarterback who's built like a little tank.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
That's a huge, huge part of it. He also has
we talked about this last week. He also has the
knack for where to go. Yeah, some quarterbacks don't have
Josh Allen. Yeah, they're just like, oh, I don't know
where to go?

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
See it in college? A lot like that play does
not work in college often. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Yeah, Arch Arch was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
A disaster that first week.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
He was like, eh, but it shows you the one
thing that the difference in that game, which was so apparent,
is that because when it's fourth and inches, you should
be able to sneak it most times and like when
you need it, and the Chiefs don't have a sneak
And I even screaming this because they won't do it
because Mahomes is hurt, like he got hurt one time

(01:22:59):
to seven years ago. He's like, what other quarterback you
ever seen get hurt? On a sneak, so the Chiefs
refuse to do it. They got stopped on a fourth
and one, like just blown up there was there and
then Eagles. Meanwhile, on every fourth and one, those huge
swing plays. I've been yelling this that every team should
just have a guy that if you don't want your quarterback,
if you're a great your quarterback, have a guy that

(01:23:20):
just practices it. A big guy, big strong guy, practices
a snap and then do it. Like the Chiefs, they
don't have a run game, so on these fourth and ones, like,
they got to get so creative and it's just not
as efficient as just going up and sneaking it. So
it was very evident that game.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Okay, uh Monday night, I just maybe I'm overreacting to
one game, but like I do think the Lions lost
to the Packers aged a little bit better once we
saw the Packers play another game. I do think they
you know, the players that got their ass kicked by
the Ravens, who honestly got to be one of the
better teams to not win a Super Bowl over the

(01:23:55):
last twenty five years when you factor in they had
Lamar Jackson like in his prime and one of the
great defenses of its era with with Mike McDonald calling defense.
So I mean that team, I think if you simulate
it five times, win some Super Bowls. Maybe three of
the five times, maybe four of this five times. But
I just kind of feel like I like the Lions
and the points.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
In this matchup. Maybe I'm overreacting to last week. Clearly
the Ravens are good. I do just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
I mean, I think this is kind of an easy
rallying cry to for a lot of those guys were
a part of that ass kicking. I know, Goff outdoors,
different animal. I think he had a comment and it could.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Be the Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
That's the best pass protection he'd ever had in a
game in his career. So not a great indication of
the Bears front, which included the Ravens are gonna be
better every time I look up. I mean, Wiggins, do
the Ravens ever miss on a pick? I mean, it's
like they just get this guy at the end of
the first round and he's just fucking making.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Usually receivers they hit on, but for twenty years they
couldn't hit on a receiver. It was a blind spot
for their entire scouting department who usually is nails on,
but uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
You know Flacco's for a lot of that period of
time wasn't exactly paid Manning.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yes, but even before like even like you go back Flacco. Yeah, Like, well,
like Kyle Bowl they also couldn't drat the quarterback, quarterback
wide receiver they got they hit, they hit on Flacco,
but the Kyle Bowler pick that was wrong. But guys
like Travis Taylor, I mean there's a Mark Clayton, guys
that just never hit. Like in order to get over

(01:25:29):
the hump they had, they went out and got Bolden
like and that's how they won the Super Bowl. They
had to go and sign him. Yeah, the two things
you really want to watch here, Like, like I mentioned
last week, like I don't take too much from the
lines running it up. They were at home, the Bears
had no secondary. They were playing a scheme that is,
you don't want to play against toff, you don't want
to play man and if you're not going to get pressure.
That won't be the case in Baltimore. It'll be a

(01:25:51):
completely different animal. So I think the lines will look
somewhere in the middle of what we saw in Week one.
In Week two, I mean Lamar, and they don't usually
ever lose these primetime games at home. I the two
guys that I'm watching to see. The Ravens offense isn't
the same without Likely, apparently he's practicing today. If he's back,

(01:26:12):
their offense becomes so much more difficult to defend. Like
they got to practice guy up there, and Mark Andrews is'
is the same guy, and they have a practice guy
wh's getting snaps. That's just the like they don't really
have to pay attention to. But when they have Likely,
it's a whole different offense, and it's so much harder
to defend schematically, like what are they going to do?
And you can go in so many different formations and
you can put you can put the defense in compromise situations.

(01:26:34):
So if he's back, and then Marlon Humphrey, who got
hurt over the weekend, if he's back, that's huge. They
need him in the slot, especially against i'm monra on
that offense. So that's what I'm waiting for. I my
initial gut says Ravens, but I haven't bet it yet.
It'll be a great game to watch, so highly entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, I can't wait, okay, before I get you out
of her, any Tulane, any big upset alerts in college.
I got a little hole favorite parlay Utah Oklahoma. You
get him about plus one twenty five parlay. It was
just money line h in my yet Texas Tech Auburn
like either one of those teams to ruin my parlay

(01:27:14):
too late, I might be thinking about that group.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
They know they know Jackson on a well out of
Oklahoma defensive staff, so they should have some really good
stuff dialed up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
The defense looks sweet right now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Yeah, and their defense is really really good. Kendrick Falk
for Auburn, keep it. He's an NFL player, maybe a
first rounder. He's gonna have to wreck havoc in his
game for Auburn. Auburn also has secondary injuries, which isn't great.
But Kendrick Falk in this Oklahoma offensive line is there
one week point and they've had injuries and they got
two freshmen in there. If he can like wreck the game,
that's probably Auburn's best shot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Utah, Yeah, Utah, Texas. I don't have a great feel
on it because just because neither team has played anybody,
so Morton looks great. The passing offense for Texas Tech.
The old line for Utah's unbelievable, one of the best
in the country. Texas Tech went out and got dudes
on the defensive line they have one of the best
of that matchup's great. The Utah receivers aren't great, and

(01:28:08):
the Texas Tech corners aren't great. So like does everything
washes out? It's gonna come down to like and then
one of these teams wants to run it one of
the team. It's like an air raid versus like a
run raid for lack of a better term. So like
good contrast style starts at ten am.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
What time is that mountain time? Ten am?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Mountain time is local, so the people will talk about
the altitude not that big of a deal because Utah
Salt Lake City is like forty five hundred feet. People
don't realize Lubbock's like thirty five hundred So like Ubic
is in well probably like the seventh or eighth highest
college town in the country. But weird start. So like
I've on Texas Tech, I'm I don't know if I'm

(01:28:48):
probably happy about it. You don't want to play right
cycled at night places the Zoo but I don't have
a shit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
It's almost like Utah couldn't turn down. I mean, there's
a lot of people watching this game, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
The big new kickof yeah, it's probably good. Did just
because they don't get any exposure. No one's watching their
games as far as nationally. Uh So, no strong feel there.
What a random one I'll throw out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
I just brought it tou lanecause they were undefeated. They're
obviously pretty good. You know, obviously Ole miss is good too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
But I don't mind Tulane there. I got twelve and
a half. I look this morning, NIU is a good
bet against Mississippi State. Thomas Hammock, the coach for an IU,
is like five and twenty one against the spread as
a favorite, and he's like twenty two and six against
the spread as an underdog, like we saw him beat
Notre Dame last year. You went into Georgia Tech and

(01:29:36):
beat them because they just will scrine this game down
to an absolute halt, like they've They were at Maryland
last week and like they lost it. The game was
like eighteen six in the fourth quarter. They knew how
to go in and he has them ready for these
like big games and plus Misissippi State has uh Tennessee
and Texas A and m on deck sleepy Spot twenty
one and a half and then my favorite bet this
is really random, but Miami Ohio at home noon kick

(01:30:02):
against UNLV, Like, first of all, it's a nine am
body clock game for UNLV out of conference going up
to Oxford, Ohio like really weird spot. Mima Ohio hasn't
won a game yet, they're looking for the first win,
but they played. All they have played is big ten
teams and UNLB as one of the weakest UNLV's they're
three and oh they've played UCLA, who they barely be,

(01:30:22):
who is in shambles. They fired their coach. It's they
just lost by thirty five and owned the New Mexico.
So they beat UCLI. They beat Sam Houston, who's probably
the worst, one of the three worst teams in the country,
and then Idaho State who they almost lost to at home.
So their profile is a complete broad huge strength of
scheduled disparity, big special teams at for my ole high

(01:30:44):
like a bunch of the little things. Weird spot for UNLV.
I think Mima Ohio gets it done at home noon
Eastern on ESPNU I'll be one of the seven people
watching that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
You are a true sicko. That's why we love you.
Have a good weekend, stuck you, Talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Absolutely too. Rock the volume

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Mhm

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