October 6, 2025 • 58 mins
Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 5 Sunday Night Football matchup between AFC East rivals New England Patriots and the Buffalo Bills. John kicks off by reacting to Drake Maye and the Patriots upset win on the road vs. Josh Allen and the Bills. John also reacts to an UPSET filled NFL Week 5 slate, including the Denver Broncos win on the road vs. the Philadelphia Eagles, Tampa Bay Buccaneers win vs. Seattle Seahawks, Tennessee Titans comeback win vs. Arizona Cardinals, New Orleans Saints 1st win of the season vs. the New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys win vs. the New York Jets, and more! John then reacts to Texas Longhorns QB Arch Manning's poor performance vs. Florida, James Franklin and Penn State upset by UCLA, and the arrest of former Jets and Eagles QB Mark Sanchez.
04:27 - Pats-Bills
21:23 - Broncos-Eagles
34:47 - Buccaneers-Seahawks
38:20 - Titans-Cardinals
41:12 - Saints-Giants
41:44 - Cowboys-Jets
43:51 - Arch Manning
47:31 - Penn State
53:46 - Mark Sanchez
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The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff three Now Podcast. Hopefully everyone's doing well, living life,
doing well. Like Drake may and Mike Rabel who get
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a massive, massive win against the Buffalo Bills who were
undefeated until the Patriots rolled into town and get a huge,
huge victory. So we will dive into that game. Josh
Allen throw a bad pick, the Bills were just off
most of the game, and uh and loose to Vrabel
and the Pats. We had some Denver Eagle game was nuts.
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The Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield shootout wasn'tsane. Mark Sanchez almost died.
Turned out he created the fight. Some thoughts there. That's
a wild story. And our Manning and James Franklin did
not have good weekends either, So we will dive into
it all. Make sure you subscribe to three and Out podcast.
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when when Drod Mayo was fired literally five seconds after
the season, you know what guys had been on thin
ice When the final game ends and the pr statement
by the team is released before the guy even gets
to the locker room, like that guy had been fired
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for probably a week. But firing Drowd Mayo going with
Mike Vrabel was about trying to be good right away
and was about investing in this young quarterback and building
around him. And last year and I treated Drake may
the same way I did Kleb. It was hard with
any stats that I saw because most of the games
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had a similar path, getting your ass kicked early, down big,
going into the second half and putting up meaningless stats.
We could see the physical attributes. Drake May's big, he's
got a good arm, he's mobile, seems like just I mean,
got a lot going for him. Everyone likes him, like
I get it, like I understood drafting him. But being
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a good quarterback and taking all those attributes and turning
them into winning there's a big gap, right. There have
been a lot of guys with good attributes that haven't
been good at quarterback because help, we see it all
the time in college football. How often do we see
four and five star guys that we hear about and
then they actually play like, Yeah, I just don't see it.
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It's no different than guys to get drafted high coming
into the NFL and then you're watching to night on
the road in that environment. Drake May I mean, had
the best game and most important game of his young career,
and he was awesome. And as Collins were said, you
can't keep letting him go to his right because when
he was running to his throwing side, he was making
play after play after play. And here's the other thing.
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It's hard to be a really good young player. Hell,
it's hard to be a good quarterback and put up
good stats if you don't have talent around you. It's
borderline impossible. Help. Patrick Mahomes maintained winning these last couple
of years, and his stats fell off a cliff. Right.
For you to be a productive quarterback and throw two
hundred and fifty three hundred yards, throw a lot of touchdowns,
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you need a good offensive coordinator, and you need talent
around you. And right now, clearly the best offensive weapon
is a guy that tore his acl last year. Now,
Diggs his motivation coming into this game against the Bills clearly,
I mean he he was. He was fired up for
this bad boy and he dominated. And you know, in
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the peak of his career. I don't know where he ranked,
you know, depending on the year and who was good
at that given time. He clearly was a high, high
end player. And you can't teach what he has his
just like his instincts for playing the position are pretty special.
His skills in terms of his ball skills, his hands,
his catching radius, his ability with the ball in his
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hands are pretty special. Even though coming off the injury,
he's probably not what he was five years ago, but
a relative to the group he's playing with, he's in
a different universe and he made a dramatic difference tonight.
He was awesome and Drake's no dummy. Keep throwing that
guy the football and they force fed on the ball
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and it paid dividends all throughout the night. But if
you would have told me at the beginning of the
day that the Patriots going to win and Drake May
would not throw for a touchdown and their running backs
would combine for less than like sixty yards on the ground.
I would be like, I don't, I don't. I don't
think that's possible. I haven't thought in the first half.
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And listen, the game was pretty ugly because of the turnovers.
But it's not like the Patriots were taking advantage of
the turnovers. It's like, well, how the you know, the
Bills they you know, Josh threw a bad pick, they
had a fumble, and the Patriots are up thirteen to nothing.
I mean it was three to three with four seconds
left to go in the first half. Now, my inclination
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at the end of the half was like, I think
you just got to go put all your chips in
the middle of the table and play for a touchdown.
Because the end of the day, you're playing Josh Allen
on the road. You're a big underdog. And I think
of Mike Vrabel I mean not literally right now, but
if after the course of maybe a beer or two,
he could relax, he'd say, John. The reason that's a
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dumb logic is because one, we're in this game as
big underdogs, but if we do get stuff, right, if
we either run two plays or even tell Drake, hey,
this quick out or you know whatever. The it's you know,
kind of like a flat route. But I mean, technically
he's in the end zone. If we just allow it
to materialize, they're gonna be zero seconds on. Even though
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the likelihood of him catching it because he doesn't have
to rush the throw is much higher, but he could
still drop it. He could still trip a lot of
different variables. If we come away with nothing, it's really
deflating for us, and we're just handing them some momentum
and positive vibes heading into halftime. So it wasn't worth it.
And I thought for a moment when they were driving
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at the end of the game, the pay the bills
for in this situation. If they score a touchdown and won,
Mike Rable was going to be kicking himself for not
being more aggressive in that spot. They ended up holding
them to a field goal, and uh obviously paid off
for them. But I do think big picture, when you're
playing some of these guys and you got you gotta
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lean aggressiveness, and for the most part, they did, and
they were aggressive all night. They were taking shots. Drake
was run around making plays, but you're just watching Josh
Allen like every other play, scramble around and listen. This
is the one downfall of the Bills. They do feel
kind of like an NBA team and Josh is there
Nikola Jokic, and when he has forty twenty and seventeen,
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you'll probably win ninety percent of those games. But there
are gonna be games where he has like thirty ten
and seven and you might lose by a couple points.
And that's what it felt like tonight because Josh is
run around making these crazy plays, doing everything humanly possible
to keep you in games. He would scramble right and
then he would juke a guy out and cut it
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back left to just keep a pass play alive. I
mean even the one play in the second half that
he did that threw across his body across the field
with you over Christian Gonzalez in the back of the
end zone. Keon Coleman high points it like he's back
at Florida State in that opening game against LSU. He's
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out of bounds, but it was an incredible catch. Chris
Cazalez gott to be thinking like I'm all over this, dude.
But ultimately it was like all this effort for nothing,
And that's what it feels like at times when they
get in some of these moments, and even Collins were said, like, hey,
when they're in shotgun, they passed seventy percent of the time,
when they're under center, they're running seventy percent of the time.
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And when you're really good, which I appreciate, you're basically
like you might know kind of what we're gonna do,
but we're better than you and you can't stop us.
But there are gonna be times where if the other
team is making plays like a little trickeration, some creativity
besides just hey, Josh and he could do this more
often than not. He's done it earlier this season. He
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obviously did it Week one, you know, against the Ravens
back when they had a real team. He's been doing
it for years in the playoffs. He did it last
year against the Chiefs in the regular season, against the
Ravens in the postseason. There comes a point in time
where it's like, hey, just bail us out. We're just no,
it's just might not be possible, and it doesn't come
through and you lose a game like this. Now I
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was also doing the math. You know, if you win
four out of five games, you know you will be
twelve and three going into the last two games of
the season, which would put you in pretty good shape.
And right now the Bills are fine. I do think
the way they're talked about, and I would love to
see them make it to the Super Bowl, win the AFC,
and help win the Super Bowl. I think it would
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be great for the fan base. They're not like when
you their quarterback is incredible, but the rest of their
team and I know they're missing, you know, one of
their star defensive linemen. But their offense is a well
oiled machine. But it's not exactly like they got Jerry
Rice or Ladanian, Tomlinson or you know, Travis Kelceen is
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prim run around out there. They got good players. Keon
Coleman is a solid up and coming player, Khalil Shaki
is a dependable slot Cook's really good back, you know,
tight ends, Kinkaid makes some plays. But I still think
they're like, they're very quarterback dependent, not like the mid
two thousand Indianapolis Colts, for example, they had one of
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the great players we've ever seen in Peyton Manning, but
they also had other high end stars playing with them, right,
Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark. I mean they just
had Like I don't really feel that when I'm watching
the Bills, and to me, that is more of a
compliment to what they're accomplishing for their quarterback. I mean,
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it's it's fucking remarkable. Like most of the best quarterbacks
in my life, whether it's Brady or Manning, I end
up playing with Hall of famers on offense Brady, you know,
Randy Moss to Gronkowski to Wes Welker. Julian Edelman is
not a Hall of Famer, but the guy won a
Super Bowl, MVP elite slot receiver, right. And I'm watching
this teams like, eh, cook, sweet pro bowler, But are
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any of these other guys? And you find yourself in
these situations. It's why like turnovers killers And sometimes I
do think it's nice to kind of just fire everyone,
you know, lock them back in. But this is a
tough loss division game at home. Big win by the Patriots,
big win by Mike Rabel. Also just you know the Patriots.
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I do think that Raider game Week one, it's one
of those like, how the hell did that happen the
Patriots had that happened last year Week one against the Bengals.
It's like, wait, drid Mail and the Patriots and Jacobe
Brissett beat the Cincinnati Bengals and ultimately cost the Bengals
the playoffs. Right, they went nine and eight. They were
playing great at the end of the season, but they
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never shook that loss for the Patriots, who I think
will get right back in the playoff mix. I mean,
I particularly the three and two, and they're right in
the mix. But like if they played that Raider game
ten times, like, right now, do they win that game
nine ten times? And obviously Christian Gonzalez they mentioned it
is a high end corner. He's one of the rare guys.
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People think I'm picking on Sauce Gardner. I'm just not
really into like, longer, slower press corners that don't have
great ball skills, don't like to tackle. I would much
rather have elite athletes on the outside, guys that can
just mirror you. Even if the knock on him is like, hey,
I don't know if he's the toughest guy. He's like, yeah,
I'm paying this guy to cover. I'm paying this guy
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to stay in wide receiver's hip pocket. And when Christian
Zalace is healthy, that's exactly what he can do. Like, yeah,
a perfect world, would I like to have Deon Sanders
cover ability with Richard Sherman's tackle ability. Yes, it's called
like Jalen Ramsey in his prime seven years ago. Not
many humans exist like that. But you see what happens
when you get Christian Zalace out there. It just slows
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down half the field and then you're basically you know,
your other six to seven guys in coverage can focus
more in the other areas. And if you don't have
elite players, it's on the quarterback to pull plays out
of as you know what. And he was trying, but
he couldn't do it, and you kind of felt Mike
Vrabel's presence to night. I mentioned this before we hit
record to my guys is and listen, Like Belichick, the
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negativity surrounding him right now is really really high. Even
though I don't understand everyone's shitting on Belichick. We saw
Week one him playing TCU. Didn't we all agree his
team sucks like that is a bad football team. Did
we expect him to win a lot of games? After that,
I don't know. I didn't so it's like, oh, Clemson
destroyed him. It's not going to war for Belichick. Well yeah,
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no shit. I didn't expect him to be in any
of these games. After I saw Week one, I'm like,
I'm out. This is gonna be long. There's no waiver
wires in college. It kind of stuck where Listen. I
do think his personality when he's doing interviews and podcasts
and he's with you know, Compton and Luan, obviously his
personality is different. But in terms of him on the sideline,
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never smiles, kind of just feels like a dick, like
I would not mess with this guy. He's kind of
in the zone. Even when everyone's celebrating, he's screaming at
him all to relax. And I do think as this
goes on, the team will take on his personality because
the one defining attribute of vrabel teams in Tennessee was
kind of overachieved. I mean, won a lot of games
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with Ryan freaking Tannehill. Now, as we're seeing all around
the league, highly drafted guys can resurrect their career. Tannehill
was a solid player, right. He was not like some
sixth round pick that they just found off the scrappyat
he drafted in the first round, and they turned him
into like a you know, an Alex Smith type player
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with Derrick Henry, with AJ Brown with good defense, and
they were really good. But that's the way Mike Rabel
wants to play. He's kind of like the defensive version
of like, uh, you know, Dan Campbell or something. Just
total tough guy, very serious, great leader. But he's a
defensive guy. He's a linebacker, and he's he's gonna lean
more conservative than all the offensive guys. But like, team's
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gonna be good. And there was a reason a lot
of people picked them, you know, to be like a
fringe wild card team, a team that could make the
playoffespecially when you look at their schedule. It's because of him.
It's because of that guy, right, And there was no
greater turnaround you can have, probably in life than going
from a terrible head coach to a good one. You
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are immediately good like that, like overnight, you're good all
of a sudden. It was like after week one even
I thought this too. I'm like I don't know about this. Now,
four or five games later, I'm like three and two
probably headed to nine ten wins, and it's because of him.
And then as you go on, you build up your quarterback,
you know, you build up some of these random guys.
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You get a guy like Digs, get him motivated, chip
on his shoulder, chance to play the Bills twice celebrate
his upcoming babyes. Again not substantiated, just some Internet rumors,
but that was really really impressive over all the Bills. Listen,
you could argue that they shouldn't have won that Ravens
game week one. You know, eventually things kind of even
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themselves out. As the kids would say, ball don't lie,
and you're four and one. You just keep doing this
every five games, You'll be fine. I've said this though
over and over. It is extremely important for them, extremely
important to have home fields and right now them and
like the Colts, I mean, they're right in the mix
for the number one seed. But any going on the
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road to a team like obviously Kansas City, who were
going to see Plan Monday night, you know, Denver, I
think they would like their chances going to Indy. But
any of these outside like playing in Buffalo is a
really big deal and it's really opened up for him
this year. So to take advantage of it, you just
got to keep your foot to the pedal in this
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type game that I would imagine that Sean mcdermot's going
to use to his advantage and coach their ass up
and just be hard charging over this next week, because
I don't want to say that they kind of came
in feeling themselves. But listen, I say this all the time.
These are human beings. So a coach can get up
and Belichick made a career out of this. He'd be
playing like the one and eleven Dolphins and he'd be
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up there circle jerking their punt coverage and be like Bill,
you know, mccordy and high Tower. These guys are in
the meeting room, they're watching the film like this team sucks.
So it's a hard task to motivate players like they
got ice, Like they're human beings, like they can see
the records, you know, they know who's good and bad.
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And these Patriot guys. I remember Julian Edelman when I
was on Colin Show at Fox, I had mentioned like, hey,
I like the forty nine ers this year, not because
I actually think they're that good. Technically they're the number
one seed, right there with the Eagles right now, but
because I think their schedule is a joke. And Edelman
was like, don't ever say that he's been topped by Belichick.
But schedules kind of matter. There's a big difference playing
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the Chiefs playing the Eagles and playing the Rams, then
playing like I know, the bad teams, getting the Raiders,
getting the Titans like it's getting the Giants. There are
teams that are more difficult. That's just a fact, even
though it's the NFL. They drive big cars or nice cars,
living big houses and make a lot of money as well.
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. Speaking of that, we had
two crazy games today. You know Denver, who I have
in about four different parlays to win the division. I'd
be lying if I'd said halfway through that game, I
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was like, not only do I not like this team anymore?
I would say they are playoff spots in trouble. Their
quarterback looked like crap getting worked. It was just a classic.
It was a picasso by Fangio. He was punking Sean Payton,
but specifically the quarterback who would just freak out was
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missing wide receivers just looked overwhelmed and the Eagles that
looked like were going to cruise to a victory. And
sometimes in the NFL, unlike college, you could be up
seventeen to three and in full control like the other
team doesn't even have life. And part of you know
the NFL, when you have a guy like Saquon Barkley,
is keep giving him the ball, and like, part of
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what make Vic Fangio a great coach, or Sean Payton
or McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan or an Andy Reider, whoever
a great play caller, right offensively or defensively, they're gonna
have bad individual play calls. They're humans. This game's hard.
Like you're calling if you're an offensive coordinator, you're making
how many calls a game, fifty to sixty to seventy
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depending on that individual game. So you're not gonna get
it perfect on every call. But over the course of
a game, your feel, your experience, your instincts. It's like
as a player, it's no different a coach and a
player in terms of instincts. You watch Stefan Diggs, you go,
that guy is just a natural instinctive player. You watch
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Christian Gonzalez travel with a wide receiver, You're like, that
guy is just a natural athlete. His understanding for space,
it just comes natural to them. It's no different than
a play caller. And you're watching the Eagles and there's
just something off with their play calling. They're just this
and you get back to you have this coordinator who
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is under siege a little bit because he can't just
call a good game. It doesn't mean he's not gonna
have a bad play call or two. But over the
course of a game, it's like some great quarters and
then just some awful quarters, like there's not much in between.
And today they had an opportunity. It was a great
play call. They had clearly scheme this up during the week,
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this double move for AJ Brown. If they hit it,
it's twenty four to three, and by all intensive purposes,
the game would be over. It'd be nail in the coffin.
There'd be a quarter left, but it wouldn't matter. They
would not come back, not the way they were playing,
and based on the final score, it would have been
the game. But they missed. And then obviously the quotes
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from AJ Brown and Jay it just they're not on
the same page. I don't care what the franchise says.
I don't care what Brandon Graham walked back. It's not
even debatable at this point that being said, like Jalen
Hurts is gonna be your starting quarterback for the foreseeable future,
and by all accounts, schefter Jay Glazier, because if you
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know what, Harry Roseman is not in the business of
trading elite talents like AJ Brown, and they are adamantly
coming up. We're not trading him. So these guys are
gonna have to figure this out. But they have this
first time play caller, this young guy. This isn't some
like Kellen Moore, even if you wanted a nitpick individual games.
He had been an offensive coordinator for years with the
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Dallas Cowboys. Then he even got to leave the Nest
because I was the only place he'd ever coached and
go to the Chargers and just coach here, justin Herbert
had a lot of experience kind of feeling it out,
and you saw today they're up seventeen to three. In
the second half. Sakwe Barkley had one carry because you
have this first time coordinator who's caught in the middle
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of this emotional situation and he's trying to play Kate
to everybody, Like, in no world can you have one
of the best running backs in the league, who's listen.
He's having a little bit of a hit or miss year.
But he had a big touchdown in the game on
a long pass. He had a couple explosive runs early
in the game. Even if the Broncos are selling out
to stop the run, like run the ball, just slow
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down the game. You have this talented guy, maybe he
busts off a six to seven eight yard run all
of a sudden on second and seven, boom, you get
a first down. You get to bleed a little bit
more clock. Instead, they got extremely pass happy because it
felt like they were trying to shut up all the podcasts,
all the local media, and just the fans about the situation.
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And early in the game it worked, Jalen hit DeVante,
Jalen hit aj their passing game kind of work. But
as the game went on, it completely spluttered out. But
they extended the game because they got so pass happy
and their passes weren't working, and the time didn't run
off the clock, so the Broncos got more possessions. And
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then I don't know how, but bo Nicks went from
being a horrendous football player to like a high end
player started leading them on drives scoring touchdowns. But not
only did say Kwan Barkley have six carries, he had
one carry in the second half. That just that's unacceptable.
The Eagles had eleven total carries as a team. Jalen
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hurts almost had forty pass attempts. They were winning the
game heading into the fourth quarter by multiple scores. So
even if that number of the pass attempts I think
it was thirty eight or thirty nine, is a little
inflated because they got the ball, you know, down four
with whatever, fifty set forties five seconds left and try
to drive the field. Even even the play where everyone's
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freaking out about the pass interference, Like, here's where I
stand on pass interference. You could argue it was you
could argue it wasn't. The ball was never going to
be completed, whether there was a defensive back there or not.
It was a bad throw wide receiver. In the quarterback,
we're not on the same page. So I hate rewarding
awf of throws. One thing that used to happen when
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I was a kid that for whatever reason, just doesn't
happen anymore. When you would airmail a wide receiver and
there would be pass interference, a referee would go like this,
and it would be this thing called un catchable, and
the past interference wouldn't count, because like, we're not going
to bail you out for a shit throw just because
the defensive guy made a bad play. That has clearly
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been thrown out the window and people just complain now,
But like it was a massive win by Denver because
early in that game, all you know, Tony Romo. I
was thinking, today, listen to Tony and Jim. I don't
even think I've had their audio on throughout this season,
because I'm like, I don't think I've really listened to
much Tony Romo this year. I thought they were pretty good.
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That was a lighthearted, just kind of fun. Had no
issues with the broadcast team of those two, but Tony
hammer at home that that Sean Payton had been telling
them that, like it was a really big deal. I
think I'd written it down that teams with the road
game then leaving from that road game to go play
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a London game. We're two and fourteen, so basically teams
that had packed up for two weeks to leave or
a week and a half or whatever, however many days
you want to consider it ten days on the road
if you're leaving on Friday or Saturday and you're not
coming back to the following like Sunday night. Monday had
been terrible, which kind of understandable. So they had made
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a huge emphasis about it during the week and then
you're watching like they're just getting their ass kicked that
clearly didn't matter. But then they win it, and all
of a sudden, you're like, God, I think now they
feel like kind of good because their defense is out.
Their defense is good. But Bo Nicks a little like
Jalen Hurts is like mister Jekyll and mister Hyde. It's like,
what are you going to get here? Are we getting
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the good guy or were getting the back guy? Because
when he's good, he's really good. When he's bad, he's atrocious.
Like you go three and out, you throw go routes,
and the difference. You know, Jalen is a good deep
ball thrower. You watch Bo Nicks and he has these
guys open on deep breaking routes, whether the go routes
or post routes, and he's overthrown him by three or
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four yards, like it's not even it's not even close.
The guy couldn't even if he could was like Kevin
Garnett and could jump like he was Russell Westbrook and
his primes wouldn't even get a fingertip on the football. So,
like one thing, the Broncos, if they are gonna go
to where their aspirations the way that they talked about
led by the head coach this offseason, specifically training camp,
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they are going to need to figure out how to
get some of these explosive pass plays that are schemed
up and they're there and then for whatever reason, their
quarterback can't hit and the Eagles like, there is no
fixing this. To me, your coordinator either had like Vic Fangio,
it's just natural at it. And you know what, I've
been watching him for a long time. He's been natural
at it for a long time because your instincts as
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a play caller. There are certain people in life, right
if you're in sales. One of my good friends from
when I was young and through college, I went to
his fortieth birthday party and he's got a bunch of
friends that I don't really know, a bunch of successful
people in the Bay Area. A lot of them are
in sales and like a lot of these guys have
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been crushing it, I mean, making way more money than
they probably ever dreamed of since their mid twenties because
they just got in these sales roles and they could
just fucking close deals. It kind of came naturally to
them and some people can close deals and some people can't. Right,
some people can call plays and some people can't. It's
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why Andy Reid has won a lot of games with
a lot of different quarterbacks. Kyle Shanahan just beat Sean
McVay with Mac freaking Jones on a spring pcl Why
he's a natural play caller. You watch this Kevin Petola guy.
Sure he's a nice guy. Sure everyone likes him. I
know Nick Sirianni likes him. They've known each other for
fifteen plus years. He's just not that good. It doesn't
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mean and here's the other thing, it doesn't mean that
you don't know offense. I had a scout. He's not
even a scout. He's like a number two for a team.
Describe it to me this way. He's like, if you
got every quarterback in the NFL, every single one, starters
and backups, and you got him in the room with
offensive coordinators and head coaches that were offensive guys, and
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they just did football on the whiteboard, you wouldn't really
be able to tell the difference of Peyton Manning to
Baker Mayfield, to Kevin Petola to Sean McVay. They would
all blow you away. By the shit they know, whiteboard
pen and you went and walked it through on the field,
you'd be like, God, all these guys like, these guys
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are all incredible. I'm talking backups, starters, quarterback coaches. But
then the games start and then it starts separating, like
the ability because even in practice, training camp, practice, help,
joint practices, you can't tackle me, and I know it.
So anyone that's ever had been lucky enough if you're
a season ticket holder to go to one of these practices,
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you know, it's like, oh, that would have been a sack.
And then the guy keeps scrambling a little bit more
and hits the wide receiver for another fifty yards, like
what a play. And then later that day the team
tweets it out. This is like mid August, You're like,
what a catch? By the third round rookie, it's like, yeah,
the guy was sacked like seven seconds ago. Won the
games Thursday night, Sunday, Sunday night, Monday. That would be
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a sack, or maybe it wouldn't be. Because the quarterback
can process so fast. It gets rid of the ball,
throws the ball away, or hits it to his checkdown
and that's when everything separates, and that's when all these
quarterbacks separate. The guys that can process it quick, the
guy that understands it, the guy that has a great
instincts and the feel for the pocket, the play callers
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that understand how to adjust on the fly, what's working,
what's not working, the understand their own scheme, that knows
the strikes and weaknesses of their opponents. You know, one
huge disadvantage, for example, Belichick has is he doesn't know
any of these coaches. So when he's going up against
different offensive coordinators, he doesn't know their history. Now, he
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could have studied this offseason, but when Bill Belichick went
against Andy Reid or Sean McVay, or you name it,
Brian Schottenheimer or Liam Cohen or whoever, he knew everything
about every single player on their roster. Why because he
had scouted them all coming out. And for most of
these coaches, he had coached against them before. And if
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they were a first time coordinator, he had coached against
their scheme because they had came from somewhere. So the
history of like Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, their
understanding of just the opponent is pretty It doesn't mean
you're gonna take advantage of it if you don't know
the players, ie Pete Carroll, but you got a pretty
good feel for everyone you're going up against. And you know,
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you see a first time coordinator like I, they just
don't have a feel. They don't really know what they're doing.
They just something's off. And listen, some are worse than others.
And I'm not saying Kevin Patola was like the worst
coordinator I've ever seen, But I think we just have
to acknowledge like something's off. Like we've all been watching
football long enough. You watch them coach like today against Temper,
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and you go, there's good and there's not good. It's
it's just a bizarre experience. And I think it's pretty
clear something isn't working. On the flip side, I think
one thing that's pretty cool about this era that we're
in is watching these guys resurrect their careers. Like Sam
Donald's just a good player, you know, like last year
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wasn't a fluke watching him the day and watching them
this season like Sam Donald is good. Baker Mayfield now
has years, right, like two years and then this year
like we're on two years in five games, like I'm
fucking good. I am one of the best players in
the NF. Well, I'm watching those two guys thinking like,
this was the number one pick in the draft, this
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was the number three pick in the draft. That's what
it's supposed to look like, and it's taken these guys
on different paths. Listen, whenever someone asked me for advice, Listen, young,
I've been there before of not having it. When you're
being twenty twenty one, twenty five. All of our paths
are different. My pass different than your past, different than
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the next guy's path. And if you are talented enough,
if you are willing to go above and beyond, if
you're willing to not quit. Right, if Sam Darnold would
have been like, yeah, I'm just kind of overall just
be a backup, would anyone have blamed him. I'm just
cool with being a backup for like the next ten years.
But those guys just kind of kept their head down.
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They finally got in the right situations and they have thrived.
And watching that game today, I texted someone this today,
it felt like watching a college game that had two
guys gonna be drafted in the top ten Like that,
What a fun experience to just sit on the couch
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and watch these two guys play football, big play after
big play, and typically I'm anti bad defense. But here's
the thing. I know, Todd Bowle is one of the
best defensive coaches in the league. I know Mike McDonald's
one of the best defensive coaches in the league. I
just thought that was like elite quarterback play and how
many times Sam did it more than Baker. But like
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they would drop back, nothing would be there, They'd be
getting pressure and they would just make shit happen with
their legs, scramble around and then make a great pass.
Sam Donald's ability to add lib today was just fantastic.
Same with Baker, and I mean the two star wide receivers,
both Ohio State guys. Colin and I talked about it.
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Neither guy's a top ten pick. Both guys are like, Eh,
this guy's really good player, but he's a little slow,
he's a little small. They're dominant players. You know why,
because if you can get open. I'm watching Keenan Allen today.
Keenan Allen's probably faster than me, but not that much faster,
right he is not If you time Keenan Allen to
run the forty right now, my guess would be like
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four eight eight four nine to two. But you know
what doesn't matter his forty time when he's running an
inbreaking route or running a quick out or running an
option route. You know why because Keenan Allen knows how
to find open space. He's a great route runner. He's
an instinctive player. Davante Adams is kind of like the younger,
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probably a little faster version of that as well. DeVante
Adams not a burner, but he can get open and
he'll be able to get open until he can't walk anymore.
Right So, both those two guys are great examples of
if you can if you can get open, if you
can run routes, they'll be a place for you for
a long time in the NFL. And watching Keenan still
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make a ton of plays, it's fun to watch because
it's it's enjoy to see a guy that isn't that
fast dominate. And watching those two guys from Ohio State
and watching those two quarterbacks was just a blast. And listen,
you look at the NFC right now, forty nine ers
had a great day. I went on with Colin and
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I just assumed the Arizona Cardinals had won when we
got off one of the producers, like the Titans one
that came like the football game Titans won the football
game like today, the one that the one that happened earlier. Like, yeah,
so the Arizona Cardinals who just somehow crumbled in that game,
pretty crazy. I mean luck on the uh one, the
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dude dropped it at the at the goal line, I
mean anytime that happens. I would imagine if we did
a study of times that a player had dropped a
touchdown at the goal line, their team's record. If I
had to guest sitting here right now, it's like h
to ten, Like you lose one hundred percent of the
time your player does that. But the Cardinals also had
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the interset that the dude fumbled, which again I wasn't
watching the game live. I had to go back and
watch the highlights on that interception. I guess you don't
have to make a football move when you're picking it
off like you do when you're an offensive player. Thought like,
maybe they could have challenged it, like it wasn't even
interception when hit the ground, but clearly they did gets
kicked to the end zone, Titans fall on it. Just
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just a batshit crazy game. I mean, that's got to
be the craziest game so far this season. I mean
the Seattle Tampa game was crazy in the sense of
these two quarterbacks gunslinging. That was just like, wait, the Titans.
I still can't get over the Titans won that game.
But right now the Niners technically are the number one
seed with Philly, Tampa and Detroit. I don't know if
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the Niners can sustain this, given that half their team
is literally injured, and we know for a fact that
the other half will get injured. I would say Seattle.
I would still be pretty bullish on Seattle. The Rams
are not going away packers, pretty big wild card, would
not sell all my stocking, you know. And watching Washington
today like as long as they got that quarterback, they're
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not gonna go quietly. So my one take with the
NFC because for the last several years, like Lamar, Josh Patrick,
and then obviously if Burrow had the right team Burrow,
it's like that those guys are just gonna be tough
to beat. How you gonna bet against Typically it's been
Patrick Mahomes, But if if any of the other guys
had made it the Super Bowl. You would have bet
on Lamar and the Ravens a couple of years ago.
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You would have bet on the Bills last year, like
their teams, just because of those quarterbacks. But you look
at the NFC again, they all kind of got some flaws.
But it's just it's pretty tough and it's gonna be
wide freaking open come the NFC playoffs because the injuries
are gonna play a massifactor. They currently are playing a
massive factor. Team that's kind of flying under the radar
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a little bit. Is the Lions. Like you're gonna look
up and the Lions are gonna be like thirteen and
four and be a mother Come come the playoffs. People,
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I know the Porta Potti Panthers as we called them
last year. I said this last week. The Saints are
not that terrible. They're not gonna have a good record,
but like they're not that bad of a team because
their offense is pretty explosive. Now, the Giants had about
twenty five turnovers today. Obviously, Dart was started fast, got
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a little weird in the middle of the game. Scataboo
had a fumble that it felt like I was kind
of hoping Skataboo would take his helmet and like fling it,
but he kind of held his emotions and the Saints.
Saints have good offensive players. Somehow. The Titans came back
from the dead in one a game the Jets to
me at through the first five weeks. The Dolphins lost
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today to the Panthers, who probably are the same type team,
probably a little feistier than you think. Neither of that good,
but neither of a total embarrassment. You know, the Jets.
The final score I thinks thirty seven to twenty two.
They were down thirty to six in the fourth quarter.
It is it's pretty crazy how shitty they are, because listen,
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I thought signing Justin Fields to that contract is pretty insane.
But they still had good players. They they had a
good young tackle, they had a star wide receiver, they
got a couple running backs, they got good defensive players.
And you're watching them, You're like, these guys just suck.
Like I understand watching the Titans, like, yeah, they're not
very good. They don't have a ton of guys that
other teams would want. But you watch the Jets like,
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if they're healthy, how many guys on their roster individually,
would the Niners, the Eagles, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Seattle, the Rams,
the Packers watching want I mean a ton, they would
want a ton of their players. Yet, this is what
makes football such a great support. It's not about the
individual players. We have seen a lot of teams over
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the years with good individual players absolutely stink. And that's
what it happens in college all the time. You're like, god,
this team is look at Penn State like you went
eight and four, and it happens every once in a
while a lot of times in the NFL, just a
team like the Patriots last year or the Giants last year,
like team with not that many good players losing. Then
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you have the Jets. You're like, I'm pretty sure you
got a lot of good players and they look destined
to not be good at all. So they're gonna get
the Porta Potty Award. I mean, that's that's that's Ryder
Cup level humidity, afternoon wave, that smells, that stinks. That's
the Porta Potty Jets. They'll get that honor for the week.
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A couple other quick things before we get out of here.
I think we just have to acknowledge and I'm not like.
I saw a mock draft last week on the Athletic,
not by one of their main guys, guy I'd never
heard of, but still like it was up on the
website that had arch Manning. It was a first round
mark as pick twenty eight. And this was before the
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Florida game. And I said, listen, I don't pretend to
be an NFL scout anymore. That's long time ago. I'm
just a podcaster, but I do watch football for a living.
I have a kind of close friends in the profession,
and I got a pretty good idea. Doesn't mean I'm
gonna be right on every player, but I can tell
you pretty solidly, especially with a quarterback, like yeah, this
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guy is gonna go in the top fifty picks or
like no chance based on right now, there is not
a chance on God's Green Earth before the Florida game
that arch Manning would have gone in the first round,
not one, like zero percent chance. There is less than
a zero percent chance after the Florida game that he
would go in the first round. I'm not saying he
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wouldn't get drafted, but he would not get drafted. I
mean second round, no chance, third round, no chance. I
think you'd be crazy using a fourth. I mean, this
guy is not a draftable player. I think there'd be
a lot of teams like, I'm not drafting he's not
a good player. Were watching him play in college football
and he's not very good. Is he injured? Is he
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just overrated? Listen. I don't know anyone with the Texas program.
I don't have inside information on this. I'm just more
like most of you. I've just turned on the television
and I actually didn't even watch much of this game
live because I was watching my guy at UCLA ruined
James Franklin's career. But I went back last night we
flew home from California. I was laying in bed at eleven.
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We got home at like ten thirty, couldn't really sleep,
and I'm like, you know what, I know, me and Colin,
I'm sure we're going to talk about Arch. Let's type
in Arch all of his plays and all his highlights,
not t highlights, but just his plays, his offensive snaps
from the Florida game. And I came away, I'm like,
this is just this is just not good. And I've
told this to Colin. I've said this to a bunch
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of people that asked me over the weekend. I don't
believe he's going to be at the University of Texas.
One of my good friends, my college roommate, lives in
Austin and he actually is in business with Carson Palmer's
brother Jordan. He goes to a lot of Texas games,
and even he was trying to be bullish. He's like,
I'm telling you, I think Art is gonna turn this
thing around. And he's work because I think a lot
of people in that community are rooting for him. It's
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a cool story. And he texted me like midway through
the game, I think he was at the airport, like
having a Beer's like, God, this guy stinks, Like yeah,
just he does. This isn't like I would love for
this guy to be good. But there was a pass
that DJ Lagway had in the game where he threw
like a bomb down the middle of the field. You're like,
that's talent. It's like, I've watched enough Colts this year
to go like, listen, I was probably wrong on Daniel
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Jones because he's more physically gifted than I realized. He
throws the ball better than I thought. He had a
throw today against the Raiders in the red zone where
he scrambled to his right and let it rip. You're like,
I'm not saying like that's Josh Allen, because you know
Josh Allen's throwing one hundred miles an hour, but that
throw was like ninety six miles an hour. If we're
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doing the baseball camp like, that's pretty like his pysical
attributes really translate. I'm watching Archer's physical attributes just relative
to the sec they don't translate. I'm flipping the channels yesterday,
I going to the Diego Pavia and Ty Simpson Alabama,
Like those guys are in a different world than him.
So for all the hype or whatever, and listen, this
happens sometimes. There's never been anything quite like this, a
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preseason Heisman just because of his last name, but just
an all time disaster. And speaking of disasters, I'd be
lying to you if I didn't type into YouTube this
morning when I was on a walk Penn State podcast
and just listen to the reaction of just some local
young guys that were just letting it fly. It's like,
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just inject this shit into my veins. Tim Skipper, and
I've said this for a long time to people in
the business, He's easily one of the best coaches I've
ever been around. When I was a GA at Fresno State,
he was one of our. He was a running back coach,
he was a linebacker coach, assistant defensive coordinator. Every single
player that was around him at Fresno State would swear
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by him, not just as a coach, but as a
guy and as a man. He's a fucking stud. I
love Tim Skipper. His brother Kelly is the running back
coach for the Bills and his dad is now retired
in actually Arizona, longtime MENFO coach. He's a football lifer.
He was an excellent, like All American linebacker in the
late nineties at Fresno State. His brother Kelly was a
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running back I think in the late eighties or early
nineties at Preston State. They're a football family, and I've
always thought he kind of got the short end of
the stick with some stuff. He was a coach at
Florida with Jim mcelwaine. He was the interim coach last
year at Fresno State. I thought he should have get
the job. They didn't give it to him. It really
pissed me off. Deshaun Foster his dad coached him in
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Carolina like twenty years ago, maybe a little less than that,
and Deshaun has said, I'm like a four Skipper brother,
third Skipper brother, so they're very, very close, and he
brings them in and then obviously DeShawn gets fired and
they give Tim Skipper the interim job up and then
I wasn't really even following it the way they elevated
Jerry Neuheisel, who used to be I think the backup
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quarterback for Josh Rosen and was like a second third
string quarterback in his college career. Obviously, his dad, Rick,
former UCLA coach, talks just like him. The blonde locks
is calling place. You got Tim Skipper and Jerry Neuheisel
going up against James Franklin with the highest paid coaching
staff currently in college football. Jim Knowles, who left Ohio
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State last year after win the National champions to go
to Penn State, is the highest paid defensive coordinator in
the country. I do believe that when you set your
site specifically on one regular season game in college football
that is no longer a regular season sport, you could
have several losses and make the playoffs. Yet Penn State
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treated Oregon like it was nineteen ninety eight or two
thousand and seven, that if you lose one game you're
probably done. Instead, it's not the end of the world.
Now it felt like the end of the world because
James Frankly can't be in a good team and Penn
State can never win that game, and it was at home.
The wide out, it didn't really change that much. They
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still controlled everything, but the way they had built up
for that game and then the letdown in the way
they had lost. I say this all the time about
the NFL. These are humans, and hell, these are eighteen
nineteen twenty. Do you think that the Penn State players
were that focused on UCLA? Not a chance in hell.
Do you think the coaches were as locked in as
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they would have been had they won that Oregon No chance? Well,
who really tried Tim Skipper, who's trying to prove himself
They can't get a head coaching job, even though he's
worthy of it. He's a fucking stud and his references
are elite. Everyone swears by the guy. He had that
team ready to go. Jerry Neuheisel, who's a tight end
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quarterback coach. He's got his dad in the CBS studios
and tears running Nico. I'm a lava, can't even say
his last name. Whoever was making fun of Nico has
been the butt of everyone's jokes all college football season.
He takes less money. He goes to UCLA, one of
the worst teams in the country. The team has scored
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fifty seven points on the season. They scored forty two
against Penn State. It's one of the biggest upsets in
my life. There have been bigger upsets numerically right by
the point spread, like Stanford I think was a forty
point underdog when they when Jim Harbaugh beat Pete Carroll.
I don't know what the point spread was on Apple
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Lachian State beating Michigan, but like obviously it was a
really big deal. Yeah, NIU last year against Notre Dame.
We have had some individual crazy ones in like a
one off situation. I would also say this non conference
games NIU, Notre Dame, Apple Lash and State Michigan, that
can happen like Stanford, USC like that, that's pretty banana.
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Penn State going to UCLA knowing that they still have
everything in front of them to lose that game, I
just don't think you shake it. There are certain things,
and we'll get into Mark Sanchez here in a second,
you just can't shake and this is one of those. Obviously,
there are variables like buyouts and James Franklin fifty six,
you know, depending on this isn't like I don't think
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you can just type it in and get the specific
number from Penn State. But based on reports I've read,
it's somewhere between fifty and fifty five million dollars, which
in this landscape is a lot of money. And as
some of the podcasts I listened to today said, if
buyouts did not exist, James Franklin would have been fired
right after the UCLA game. Because you can lose the
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Oregon game. Hell, James Franklin has made a career of
losing the Oregon game. You can never lose the UCLA game.
And some people thought it's one of the worst losses
in the history of the program, definitely in the modern era.
But when you're paying a guy this much money, when
you're paying a team this much money, and when you're
paying coaching staffs this much money, losing a game like
that can be a nail in a career at Penn
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State doesn't mean that he couldn't go if you're Florida,
like you'd be interested in Jane Franklin. You would love
if you're Florida, for James Franklin to do what he
did at Penn State for you, even if you never
beat Alabama or Georgia skip me in the playoffs and
people kept saying, well, hey, you know, we make the
play The stats came out on Penn State that if
the playoffs had been around before the twelfth team or
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over the last ten years, Penn State would have made
it like five out eight years. So like they had
been doing the same thing over and over and for
the first time, it's like, ugh, maybe it's done. And
in this landscape of paying players, maybe they tune you
out faster. I don't know, but congrats to my guy,
Tim Skipper, and I'll end on this. I saw that
the story break like most people. When we were in
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the car driving from Napa to Davis to go to
Maria's or family baby shower, well her baby shower. Even
though I said that to her, She's like, well, it's
your baby too. I'm like, yeah, Well, if my buddy
wouldn't have been getting married. I never would have come
on this trip. But that's neither here nor there. Baby
show is fun. A little hungover, but I made it
through schefter people put out. TMZ puts out that Mark
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Sanchez been in an altercation and been stabbed like Ben robbed,
and then more information came out that he got attacked.
And then we're twenty four hours later and now the
stories come out that looks pretty bad for Mark Sanchez,
who was obviously arrested for attacking a guy. And my
overall takeaway is this, because I don't have any more
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information than any of you that have just read the
stories online that when you make decisions with alcohol and
potentially drugs, because I you know, obviously alcohol can be
a powerful thing. If you have a little too much,
you're not making sane decisions. But based on people that
I know that have been around Mark Sanchez in his
playing career, they fucking love the guy he was. I
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know people that were around him in Philly, know people
that were around him in Chicago. I've never heard a
bad thing about the guy, and I hear a lot
of bad things about a lot of people. You know,
I'm a scouted heart, so I'm always asking people about
other people. And this moment, whatever was in his body,
alcohol plus whatever, if that's the case, gonna change the
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guy's life forever. And I was thinking about this. He
got lucky that in Indianapolis, this guy that he attacked,
who was just working his job. If that would have
happened where I live, in Arizona or in states like
Texas or the South, there is a very good likelihood
that when that guy got to like protect himself, it
wouldn't have been a knife, it would have been a gun,
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and he would have fucking put several inside of him
and probably killed him on the spot. And it just
shows you, you know, and I think about this, I'm
about to have a kid. I know Mark Sanchez has
a kid. When you get the opportunity and life is
going your way. And Mark Sanchon has had a pretty
freaking good life, played in the NFL for a long
time now, calls games for Fox, probably making I mean,
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I would be made and maybe a million bucks to
work seventeen days a year in to travel to some
different cities and obviously have some cocktails on Friday nights
before the game and with one, you know, drunk induced
whatever decision, you just throw your whole life away. And
I think about this a lot. Obviously my perspective has
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changed dramatically. You know, having about three months away from
having a child, and a lot of people listening to
this have kids or you know, thinking about having kids,
or maybe have a kid on the way, or maybe
about to get married, and more and more people that
come in your life that depend on you, that your
consequences affect a lot of people, or your actions that
have consequences impact a lot of other people. If I
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make a devastating mistake, it no longer just impacts me.
It would impact my wife, it would impact my child,
it would impact the home that we share together. I mean,
it has massive consequences. And obviously this is about you
see the picture or the still shot of the guy
in the hospital that that he attacked, and here's the
thing it was. I've spent I mean, probably in my
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life fifty days in Indianapolis when I was working in
the NFL, probably three different combines at six seven days.
I've gone to the combine multiple times at four or
five days since working in the media, maybe three different times.
So maybe thirty five days in Indianapolis. It's a pretty
easy going place. I've been to a lot of cities
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where you know, you're just you're kind of looking over
your shoulder, especially you know late at night, you know,
probably walking home to the hotel a little bit late.
Indianapolis is not one of those places. I have never
thought twice, And I've had a lot of late nights.
In all those nights that I've spent in Indianapolis, I've
had some nights where I get home at three or
four in the morning. So I have a lot of
coaches and scouts over the years, and that's the last
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thing that crossed my mind ever, was something weird happening,
because it's not really in my experience, especially where he's
staying the west In or the Marriotte where that's going down,
and with this guy who's just working at the hotel,
probably never crossed his mind either. So just just don't
be a fucking idiot and lay off the drugs. That's
that's my uh, that's my advice for the night. The
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volume mm hmm
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undefeated until the Patriots rolled into town and get a huge,
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Allen throw a bad pick, the Bills were just off
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when when Drod Mayo was fired literally five seconds after
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to the locker room, like that guy had been fired
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for probably a week. But firing Drowd Mayo going with
Mike Vrabel was about trying to be good right away
and was about investing in this young quarterback and building
around him. And last year and I treated Drake may
the same way I did Kleb. It was hard with
any stats that I saw because most of the games
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had a similar path, getting your ass kicked early, down big,
going into the second half and putting up meaningless stats.
We could see the physical attributes. Drake May's big, he's
got a good arm, he's mobile, seems like just I mean,
got a lot going for him. Everyone likes him, like
I get it, like I understood drafting him. But being
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a good quarterback and taking all those attributes and turning
them into winning there's a big gap, right. There have
been a lot of guys with good attributes that haven't
been good at quarterback because help, we see it all
the time in college football. How often do we see
four and five star guys that we hear about and
then they actually play like, Yeah, I just don't see it.
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It's no different than guys to get drafted high coming
into the NFL and then you're watching to night on
the road in that environment. Drake May I mean, had
the best game and most important game of his young career,
and he was awesome. And as Collins were said, you
can't keep letting him go to his right because when
he was running to his throwing side, he was making
play after play after play. And here's the other thing.
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It's hard to be a really good young player. Hell,
it's hard to be a good quarterback and put up
good stats if you don't have talent around you. It's
borderline impossible. Help. Patrick Mahomes maintained winning these last couple
of years, and his stats fell off a cliff. Right.
For you to be a productive quarterback and throw two
hundred and fifty three hundred yards, throw a lot of touchdowns,
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you need a good offensive coordinator, and you need talent
around you. And right now, clearly the best offensive weapon
is a guy that tore his acl last year. Now,
Diggs his motivation coming into this game against the Bills clearly,
I mean he he was. He was fired up for
this bad boy and he dominated. And you know, in
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the peak of his career. I don't know where he ranked,
you know, depending on the year and who was good
at that given time. He clearly was a high, high
end player. And you can't teach what he has his
just like his instincts for playing the position are pretty special.
His skills in terms of his ball skills, his hands,
his catching radius, his ability with the ball in his
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hands are pretty special. Even though coming off the injury,
he's probably not what he was five years ago, but
a relative to the group he's playing with, he's in
a different universe and he made a dramatic difference tonight.
He was awesome and Drake's no dummy. Keep throwing that
guy the football and they force fed on the ball
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and it paid dividends all throughout the night. But if
you would have told me at the beginning of the
day that the Patriots going to win and Drake May
would not throw for a touchdown and their running backs
would combine for less than like sixty yards on the ground.
I would be like, I don't, I don't. I don't
think that's possible. I haven't thought in the first half.
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And listen, the game was pretty ugly because of the turnovers.
But it's not like the Patriots were taking advantage of
the turnovers. It's like, well, how the you know, the
Bills they you know, Josh threw a bad pick, they
had a fumble, and the Patriots are up thirteen to nothing.
I mean it was three to three with four seconds
left to go in the first half. Now, my inclination
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at the end of the half was like, I think
you just got to go put all your chips in
the middle of the table and play for a touchdown.
Because the end of the day, you're playing Josh Allen
on the road. You're a big underdog. And I think
of Mike Vrabel I mean not literally right now, but
if after the course of maybe a beer or two,
he could relax, he'd say, John. The reason that's a
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dumb logic is because one, we're in this game as
big underdogs, but if we do get stuff, right, if
we either run two plays or even tell Drake, hey,
this quick out or you know whatever. The it's you know,
kind of like a flat route. But I mean, technically
he's in the end zone. If we just allow it
to materialize, they're gonna be zero seconds on. Even though
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the likelihood of him catching it because he doesn't have
to rush the throw is much higher, but he could
still drop it. He could still trip a lot of
different variables. If we come away with nothing, it's really
deflating for us, and we're just handing them some momentum
and positive vibes heading into halftime. So it wasn't worth it.
And I thought for a moment when they were driving
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at the end of the game, the pay the bills
for in this situation. If they score a touchdown and won,
Mike Rable was going to be kicking himself for not
being more aggressive in that spot. They ended up holding
them to a field goal, and uh obviously paid off
for them. But I do think big picture, when you're
playing some of these guys and you got you gotta
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lean aggressiveness, and for the most part, they did, and
they were aggressive all night. They were taking shots. Drake
was run around making plays, but you're just watching Josh
Allen like every other play, scramble around and listen. This
is the one downfall of the Bills. They do feel
kind of like an NBA team and Josh is there
Nikola Jokic, and when he has forty twenty and seventeen,
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you'll probably win ninety percent of those games. But there
are gonna be games where he has like thirty ten
and seven and you might lose by a couple points.
And that's what it felt like tonight because Josh is
run around making these crazy plays, doing everything humanly possible
to keep you in games. He would scramble right and
then he would juke a guy out and cut it
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back left to just keep a pass play alive. I
mean even the one play in the second half that
he did that threw across his body across the field
with you over Christian Gonzalez in the back of the
end zone. Keon Coleman high points it like he's back
at Florida State in that opening game against LSU. He's
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out of bounds, but it was an incredible catch. Chris
Cazalez gott to be thinking like I'm all over this, dude.
But ultimately it was like all this effort for nothing,
And that's what it feels like at times when they
get in some of these moments, and even Collins were said, like, hey,
when they're in shotgun, they passed seventy percent of the time,
when they're under center, they're running seventy percent of the time.
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And when you're really good, which I appreciate, you're basically
like you might know kind of what we're gonna do,
but we're better than you and you can't stop us.
But there are gonna be times where if the other
team is making plays like a little trickeration, some creativity
besides just hey, Josh and he could do this more
often than not. He's done it earlier this season. He
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obviously did it Week one, you know, against the Ravens
back when they had a real team. He's been doing
it for years in the playoffs. He did it last
year against the Chiefs in the regular season, against the
Ravens in the postseason. There comes a point in time
where it's like, hey, just bail us out. We're just no,
it's just might not be possible, and it doesn't come
through and you lose a game like this. Now I
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was also doing the math. You know, if you win
four out of five games, you know you will be
twelve and three going into the last two games of
the season, which would put you in pretty good shape.
And right now the Bills are fine. I do think
the way they're talked about, and I would love to
see them make it to the Super Bowl, win the AFC,
and help win the Super Bowl. I think it would
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be great for the fan base. They're not like when
you their quarterback is incredible, but the rest of their
team and I know they're missing, you know, one of
their star defensive linemen. But their offense is a well
oiled machine. But it's not exactly like they got Jerry
Rice or Ladanian, Tomlinson or you know, Travis Kelceen is
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prim run around out there. They got good players. Keon
Coleman is a solid up and coming player, Khalil Shaki
is a dependable slot Cook's really good back, you know,
tight ends, Kinkaid makes some plays. But I still think
they're like, they're very quarterback dependent, not like the mid
two thousand Indianapolis Colts, for example, they had one of
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the great players we've ever seen in Peyton Manning, but
they also had other high end stars playing with them, right,
Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark. I mean they just
had Like I don't really feel that when I'm watching
the Bills, and to me, that is more of a
compliment to what they're accomplishing for their quarterback. I mean,
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it's it's fucking remarkable. Like most of the best quarterbacks
in my life, whether it's Brady or Manning, I end
up playing with Hall of famers on offense Brady, you know,
Randy Moss to Gronkowski to Wes Welker. Julian Edelman is
not a Hall of Famer, but the guy won a
Super Bowl, MVP elite slot receiver, right. And I'm watching
this teams like, eh, cook, sweet pro bowler, But are
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any of these other guys? And you find yourself in
these situations. It's why like turnovers killers And sometimes I
do think it's nice to kind of just fire everyone,
you know, lock them back in. But this is a
tough loss division game at home. Big win by the Patriots,
big win by Mike Rabel. Also just you know the Patriots.
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I do think that Raider game Week one, it's one
of those like, how the hell did that happen the
Patriots had that happened last year Week one against the Bengals.
It's like, wait, drid Mail and the Patriots and Jacobe
Brissett beat the Cincinnati Bengals and ultimately cost the Bengals
the playoffs. Right, they went nine and eight. They were
playing great at the end of the season, but they
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never shook that loss for the Patriots, who I think
will get right back in the playoff mix. I mean,
I particularly the three and two, and they're right in
the mix. But like if they played that Raider game
ten times, like, right now, do they win that game
nine ten times? And obviously Christian Gonzalez they mentioned it
is a high end corner. He's one of the rare guys.
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People think I'm picking on Sauce Gardner. I'm just not
really into like, longer, slower press corners that don't have
great ball skills, don't like to tackle. I would much
rather have elite athletes on the outside, guys that can
just mirror you. Even if the knock on him is like, hey,
I don't know if he's the toughest guy. He's like, yeah,
I'm paying this guy to cover. I'm paying this guy
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to stay in wide receiver's hip pocket. And when Christian
Zalace is healthy, that's exactly what he can do. Like, yeah,
a perfect world, would I like to have Deon Sanders
cover ability with Richard Sherman's tackle ability. Yes, it's called
like Jalen Ramsey in his prime seven years ago. Not
many humans exist like that. But you see what happens
when you get Christian Zalace out there. It just slows
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down half the field and then you're basically you know,
your other six to seven guys in coverage can focus
more in the other areas. And if you don't have
elite players, it's on the quarterback to pull plays out
of as you know what. And he was trying, but
he couldn't do it, and you kind of felt Mike
Vrabel's presence to night. I mentioned this before we hit
record to my guys is and listen, Like Belichick, the
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negativity surrounding him right now is really really high. Even
though I don't understand everyone's shitting on Belichick. We saw
Week one him playing TCU. Didn't we all agree his
team sucks like that is a bad football team. Did
we expect him to win a lot of games? After that,
I don't know. I didn't so it's like, oh, Clemson
destroyed him. It's not going to war for Belichick. Well yeah,
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no shit. I didn't expect him to be in any
of these games. After I saw Week one, I'm like,
I'm out. This is gonna be long. There's no waiver
wires in college. It kind of stuck where Listen. I
do think his personality when he's doing interviews and podcasts
and he's with you know, Compton and Luan, obviously his
personality is different. But in terms of him on the sideline,
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never smiles, kind of just feels like a dick, like
I would not mess with this guy. He's kind of
in the zone. Even when everyone's celebrating, he's screaming at
him all to relax. And I do think as this
goes on, the team will take on his personality because
the one defining attribute of vrabel teams in Tennessee was
kind of overachieved. I mean, won a lot of games
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with Ryan freaking Tannehill. Now, as we're seeing all around
the league, highly drafted guys can resurrect their career. Tannehill
was a solid player, right. He was not like some
sixth round pick that they just found off the scrappyat
he drafted in the first round, and they turned him
into like a you know, an Alex Smith type player
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with Derrick Henry, with AJ Brown with good defense, and
they were really good. But that's the way Mike Rabel
wants to play. He's kind of like the defensive version
of like, uh, you know, Dan Campbell or something. Just
total tough guy, very serious, great leader. But he's a
defensive guy. He's a linebacker, and he's he's gonna lean
more conservative than all the offensive guys. But like, team's
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gonna be good. And there was a reason a lot
of people picked them, you know, to be like a
fringe wild card team, a team that could make the
playoffespecially when you look at their schedule. It's because of him.
It's because of that guy, right, And there was no
greater turnaround you can have, probably in life than going
from a terrible head coach to a good one. You
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are immediately good like that, like overnight, you're good all
of a sudden. It was like after week one even
I thought this too. I'm like I don't know about this. Now,
four or five games later, I'm like three and two
probably headed to nine ten wins, and it's because of him.
And then as you go on, you build up your quarterback,
you know, you build up some of these random guys.
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You get a guy like Digs, get him motivated, chip
on his shoulder, chance to play the Bills twice celebrate
his upcoming babyes. Again not substantiated, just some Internet rumors,
but that was really really impressive over all the Bills. Listen,
you could argue that they shouldn't have won that Ravens
game week one. You know, eventually things kind of even
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themselves out. As the kids would say, ball don't lie,
and you're four and one. You just keep doing this
every five games, You'll be fine. I've said this though
over and over. It is extremely important for them, extremely
important to have home fields and right now them and
like the Colts, I mean, they're right in the mix
for the number one seed. But any going on the
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road to a team like obviously Kansas City, who were
going to see Plan Monday night, you know, Denver, I
think they would like their chances going to Indy. But
any of these outside like playing in Buffalo is a
really big deal and it's really opened up for him
this year. So to take advantage of it, you just
got to keep your foot to the pedal in this
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type game that I would imagine that Sean mcdermot's going
to use to his advantage and coach their ass up
and just be hard charging over this next week, because
I don't want to say that they kind of came
in feeling themselves. But listen, I say this all the time.
These are human beings. So a coach can get up
and Belichick made a career out of this. He'd be
playing like the one and eleven Dolphins and he'd be
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up there circle jerking their punt coverage and be like Bill,
you know, mccordy and high Tower. These guys are in
the meeting room, they're watching the film like this team sucks.
So it's a hard task to motivate players like they
got ice, Like they're human beings, like they can see
the records, you know, they know who's good and bad.
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And these Patriot guys. I remember Julian Edelman when I
was on Colin Show at Fox, I had mentioned like, hey,
I like the forty nine ers this year, not because
I actually think they're that good. Technically they're the number
one seed, right there with the Eagles right now, but
because I think their schedule is a joke. And Edelman
was like, don't ever say that he's been topped by Belichick.
But schedules kind of matter. There's a big difference playing
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the Chiefs playing the Eagles and playing the Rams, then
playing like I know, the bad teams, getting the Raiders,
getting the Titans like it's getting the Giants. There are
teams that are more difficult. That's just a fact, even
though it's the NFL. They drive big cars or nice cars,
living big houses and make a lot of money as well.
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two crazy games today. You know Denver, who I have
in about four different parlays to win the division. I'd
be lying if I'd said halfway through that game, I
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was like, not only do I not like this team anymore?
I would say they are playoff spots in trouble. Their
quarterback looked like crap getting worked. It was just a classic.
It was a picasso by Fangio. He was punking Sean Payton,
but specifically the quarterback who would just freak out was
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missing wide receivers just looked overwhelmed and the Eagles that
looked like were going to cruise to a victory. And
sometimes in the NFL, unlike college, you could be up
seventeen to three and in full control like the other
team doesn't even have life. And part of you know
the NFL, when you have a guy like Saquon Barkley,
is keep giving him the ball, and like, part of
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what make Vic Fangio a great coach, or Sean Payton
or McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan or an Andy Reider, whoever
a great play caller, right offensively or defensively, they're gonna
have bad individual play calls. They're humans. This game's hard.
Like you're calling if you're an offensive coordinator, you're making
how many calls a game, fifty to sixty to seventy
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depending on that individual game. So you're not gonna get
it perfect on every call. But over the course of
a game, your feel, your experience, your instincts. It's like
as a player, it's no different a coach and a
player in terms of instincts. You watch Stefan Diggs, you go,
that guy is just a natural instinctive player. You watch
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Christian Gonzalez travel with a wide receiver, You're like, that
guy is just a natural athlete. His understanding for space,
it just comes natural to them. It's no different than
a play caller. And you're watching the Eagles and there's
just something off with their play calling. They're just this
and you get back to you have this coordinator who
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is under siege a little bit because he can't just
call a good game. It doesn't mean he's not gonna
have a bad play call or two. But over the
course of a game, it's like some great quarters and
then just some awful quarters, like there's not much in between.
And today they had an opportunity. It was a great
play call. They had clearly scheme this up during the week,
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this double move for AJ Brown. If they hit it,
it's twenty four to three, and by all intensive purposes,
the game would be over. It'd be nail in the coffin.
There'd be a quarter left, but it wouldn't matter. They
would not come back, not the way they were playing,
and based on the final score, it would have been
the game. But they missed. And then obviously the quotes
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from AJ Brown and Jay it just they're not on
the same page. I don't care what the franchise says.
I don't care what Brandon Graham walked back. It's not
even debatable at this point that being said, like Jalen
Hurts is gonna be your starting quarterback for the foreseeable future,
and by all accounts, schefter Jay Glazier, because if you
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know what, Harry Roseman is not in the business of
trading elite talents like AJ Brown, and they are adamantly
coming up. We're not trading him. So these guys are
gonna have to figure this out. But they have this
first time play caller, this young guy. This isn't some
like Kellen Moore, even if you wanted a nitpick individual games.
He had been an offensive coordinator for years with the
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Dallas Cowboys. Then he even got to leave the Nest
because I was the only place he'd ever coached and
go to the Chargers and just coach here, justin Herbert
had a lot of experience kind of feeling it out,
and you saw today they're up seventeen to three. In
the second half. Sakwe Barkley had one carry because you
have this first time coordinator who's caught in the middle
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of this emotional situation and he's trying to play Kate
to everybody, Like, in no world can you have one
of the best running backs in the league, who's listen.
He's having a little bit of a hit or miss year.
But he had a big touchdown in the game on
a long pass. He had a couple explosive runs early
in the game. Even if the Broncos are selling out
to stop the run, like run the ball, just slow
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down the game. You have this talented guy, maybe he
busts off a six to seven eight yard run all
of a sudden on second and seven, boom, you get
a first down. You get to bleed a little bit
more clock. Instead, they got extremely pass happy because it
felt like they were trying to shut up all the podcasts,
all the local media, and just the fans about the situation.
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And early in the game it worked, Jalen hit DeVante,
Jalen hit aj their passing game kind of work. But
as the game went on, it completely spluttered out. But
they extended the game because they got so pass happy
and their passes weren't working, and the time didn't run
off the clock, so the Broncos got more possessions. And
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then I don't know how, but bo Nicks went from
being a horrendous football player to like a high end
player started leading them on drives scoring touchdowns. But not
only did say Kwan Barkley have six carries, he had
one carry in the second half. That just that's unacceptable.
The Eagles had eleven total carries as a team. Jalen
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hurts almost had forty pass attempts. They were winning the
game heading into the fourth quarter by multiple scores. So
even if that number of the pass attempts I think
it was thirty eight or thirty nine, is a little
inflated because they got the ball, you know, down four
with whatever, fifty set forties five seconds left and try
to drive the field. Even even the play where everyone's
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freaking out about the pass interference, Like, here's where I
stand on pass interference. You could argue it was you
could argue it wasn't. The ball was never going to
be completed, whether there was a defensive back there or not.
It was a bad throw wide receiver. In the quarterback,
we're not on the same page. So I hate rewarding
awf of throws. One thing that used to happen when
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I was a kid that for whatever reason, just doesn't
happen anymore. When you would airmail a wide receiver and
there would be pass interference, a referee would go like this,
and it would be this thing called un catchable, and
the past interference wouldn't count, because like, we're not going
to bail you out for a shit throw just because
the defensive guy made a bad play. That has clearly
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been thrown out the window and people just complain now,
But like it was a massive win by Denver because
early in that game, all you know, Tony Romo. I
was thinking, today, listen to Tony and Jim. I don't
even think I've had their audio on throughout this season,
because I'm like, I don't think I've really listened to
much Tony Romo this year. I thought they were pretty good.
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That was a lighthearted, just kind of fun. Had no
issues with the broadcast team of those two, but Tony
hammer at home that that Sean Payton had been telling
them that, like it was a really big deal. I
think I'd written it down that teams with the road
game then leaving from that road game to go play
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a London game. We're two and fourteen, so basically teams
that had packed up for two weeks to leave or
a week and a half or whatever, however many days
you want to consider it ten days on the road
if you're leaving on Friday or Saturday and you're not
coming back to the following like Sunday night. Monday had
been terrible, which kind of understandable. So they had made
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a huge emphasis about it during the week and then
you're watching like they're just getting their ass kicked that
clearly didn't matter. But then they win it, and all
of a sudden, you're like, God, I think now they
feel like kind of good because their defense is out.
Their defense is good. But Bo Nicks a little like
Jalen Hurts is like mister Jekyll and mister Hyde. It's like,
what are you going to get here? Are we getting
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the good guy or were getting the back guy? Because
when he's good, he's really good. When he's bad, he's atrocious.
Like you go three and out, you throw go routes,
and the difference. You know, Jalen is a good deep
ball thrower. You watch Bo Nicks and he has these
guys open on deep breaking routes, whether the go routes
or post routes, and he's overthrown him by three or
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four yards, like it's not even it's not even close.
The guy couldn't even if he could was like Kevin
Garnett and could jump like he was Russell Westbrook and
his primes wouldn't even get a fingertip on the football. So,
like one thing, the Broncos, if they are gonna go
to where their aspirations the way that they talked about
led by the head coach this offseason, specifically training camp,
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they are going to need to figure out how to
get some of these explosive pass plays that are schemed
up and they're there and then for whatever reason, their
quarterback can't hit and the Eagles like, there is no
fixing this. To me, your coordinator either had like Vic Fangio,
it's just natural at it. And you know what, I've
been watching him for a long time. He's been natural
at it for a long time because your instincts as
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a play caller. There are certain people in life, right
if you're in sales. One of my good friends from
when I was young and through college, I went to
his fortieth birthday party and he's got a bunch of
friends that I don't really know, a bunch of successful
people in the Bay Area. A lot of them are
in sales and like a lot of these guys have
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been crushing it, I mean, making way more money than
they probably ever dreamed of since their mid twenties because
they just got in these sales roles and they could
just fucking close deals. It kind of came naturally to
them and some people can close deals and some people can't. Right,
some people can call plays and some people can't. It's
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why Andy Reid has won a lot of games with
a lot of different quarterbacks. Kyle Shanahan just beat Sean
McVay with Mac freaking Jones on a spring pcl Why
he's a natural play caller. You watch this Kevin Petola guy.
Sure he's a nice guy. Sure everyone likes him. I
know Nick Sirianni likes him. They've known each other for
fifteen plus years. He's just not that good. It doesn't
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mean and here's the other thing, it doesn't mean that
you don't know offense. I had a scout. He's not
even a scout. He's like a number two for a team.
Describe it to me this way. He's like, if you
got every quarterback in the NFL, every single one, starters
and backups, and you got him in the room with
offensive coordinators and head coaches that were offensive guys, and
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they just did football on the whiteboard, you wouldn't really
be able to tell the difference of Peyton Manning to
Baker Mayfield, to Kevin Petola to Sean McVay. They would
all blow you away. By the shit they know, whiteboard
pen and you went and walked it through on the field,
you'd be like, God, all these guys like, these guys
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are all incredible. I'm talking backups, starters, quarterback coaches. But
then the games start and then it starts separating, like
the ability because even in practice, training camp, practice, help,
joint practices, you can't tackle me, and I know it.
So anyone that's ever had been lucky enough if you're
a season ticket holder to go to one of these practices,
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you know, it's like, oh, that would have been a sack.
And then the guy keeps scrambling a little bit more
and hits the wide receiver for another fifty yards, like
what a play. And then later that day the team
tweets it out. This is like mid August, You're like,
what a catch? By the third round rookie, it's like, yeah,
the guy was sacked like seven seconds ago. Won the
games Thursday night, Sunday, Sunday night, Monday. That would be
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a sack, or maybe it wouldn't be. Because the quarterback
can process so fast. It gets rid of the ball,
throws the ball away, or hits it to his checkdown
and that's when everything separates, and that's when all these
quarterbacks separate. The guys that can process it quick, the
guy that understands it, the guy that has a great
instincts and the feel for the pocket, the play callers
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that understand how to adjust on the fly, what's working,
what's not working, the understand their own scheme, that knows
the strikes and weaknesses of their opponents. You know, one
huge disadvantage, for example, Belichick has is he doesn't know
any of these coaches. So when he's going up against
different offensive coordinators, he doesn't know their history. Now, he
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could have studied this offseason, but when Bill Belichick went
against Andy Reid or Sean McVay, or you name it,
Brian Schottenheimer or Liam Cohen or whoever, he knew everything
about every single player on their roster. Why because he
had scouted them all coming out. And for most of
these coaches, he had coached against them before. And if
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they were a first time coordinator, he had coached against
their scheme because they had came from somewhere. So the
history of like Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, their
understanding of just the opponent is pretty It doesn't mean
you're gonna take advantage of it if you don't know
the players, ie Pete Carroll, but you got a pretty
good feel for everyone you're going up against. And you know,
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you see a first time coordinator like I, they just
don't have a feel. They don't really know what they're doing.
They just something's off. And listen, some are worse than others.
And I'm not saying Kevin Patola was like the worst
coordinator I've ever seen, But I think we just have
to acknowledge like something's off. Like we've all been watching
football long enough. You watch them coach like today against Temper,
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and you go, there's good and there's not good. It's
it's just a bizarre experience. And I think it's pretty
clear something isn't working. On the flip side, I think
one thing that's pretty cool about this era that we're
in is watching these guys resurrect their careers. Like Sam
Donald's just a good player, you know, like last year
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wasn't a fluke watching him the day and watching them
this season like Sam Donald is good. Baker Mayfield now
has years, right, like two years and then this year
like we're on two years in five games, like I'm
fucking good. I am one of the best players in
the NF. Well, I'm watching those two guys thinking like,
this was the number one pick in the draft, this
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was the number three pick in the draft. That's what
it's supposed to look like, and it's taken these guys
on different paths. Listen, whenever someone asked me for advice, Listen, young,
I've been there before of not having it. When you're
being twenty twenty one, twenty five. All of our paths
are different. My pass different than your past, different than
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the next guy's path. And if you are talented enough,
if you are willing to go above and beyond, if
you're willing to not quit. Right, if Sam Darnold would
have been like, yeah, I'm just kind of overall just
be a backup, would anyone have blamed him. I'm just
cool with being a backup for like the next ten years.
But those guys just kind of kept their head down.
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They finally got in the right situations and they have thrived.
And watching that game today, I texted someone this today,
it felt like watching a college game that had two
guys gonna be drafted in the top ten Like that,
What a fun experience to just sit on the couch
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and watch these two guys play football, big play after
big play, and typically I'm anti bad defense. But here's
the thing. I know, Todd Bowle is one of the
best defensive coaches in the league. I know Mike McDonald's
one of the best defensive coaches in the league. I
just thought that was like elite quarterback play and how
many times Sam did it more than Baker. But like
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they would drop back, nothing would be there, They'd be
getting pressure and they would just make shit happen with
their legs, scramble around and then make a great pass.
Sam Donald's ability to add lib today was just fantastic.
Same with Baker, and I mean the two star wide receivers,
both Ohio State guys. Colin and I talked about it.
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Neither guy's a top ten pick. Both guys are like, Eh,
this guy's really good player, but he's a little slow,
he's a little small. They're dominant players. You know why,
because if you can get open. I'm watching Keenan Allen today.
Keenan Allen's probably faster than me, but not that much faster,
right he is not If you time Keenan Allen to
run the forty right now, my guess would be like
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four eight eight four nine to two. But you know
what doesn't matter his forty time when he's running an
inbreaking route or running a quick out or running an
option route. You know why because Keenan Allen knows how
to find open space. He's a great route runner. He's
an instinctive player. Davante Adams is kind of like the younger,
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probably a little faster version of that as well. DeVante
Adams not a burner, but he can get open and
he'll be able to get open until he can't walk anymore.
Right So, both those two guys are great examples of
if you can if you can get open, if you
can run routes, they'll be a place for you for
a long time in the NFL. And watching Keenan still
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make a ton of plays, it's fun to watch because
it's it's enjoy to see a guy that isn't that
fast dominate. And watching those two guys from Ohio State
and watching those two quarterbacks was just a blast. And listen,
you look at the NFC right now, forty nine ers
had a great day. I went on with Colin and
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I just assumed the Arizona Cardinals had won when we
got off one of the producers, like the Titans one
that came like the football game Titans won the football
game like today, the one that the one that happened earlier. Like, yeah,
so the Arizona Cardinals who just somehow crumbled in that game,
pretty crazy. I mean luck on the uh one, the
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dude dropped it at the at the goal line, I
mean anytime that happens. I would imagine if we did
a study of times that a player had dropped a
touchdown at the goal line, their team's record. If I
had to guest sitting here right now, it's like h
to ten, Like you lose one hundred percent of the
time your player does that. But the Cardinals also had
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the interset that the dude fumbled, which again I wasn't
watching the game live. I had to go back and
watch the highlights on that interception. I guess you don't
have to make a football move when you're picking it
off like you do when you're an offensive player. Thought like,
maybe they could have challenged it, like it wasn't even
interception when hit the ground, but clearly they did gets
kicked to the end zone, Titans fall on it. Just
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just a batshit crazy game. I mean, that's got to
be the craziest game so far this season. I mean
the Seattle Tampa game was crazy in the sense of
these two quarterbacks gunslinging. That was just like, wait, the Titans.
I still can't get over the Titans won that game.
But right now the Niners technically are the number one
seed with Philly, Tampa and Detroit. I don't know if
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the Niners can sustain this, given that half their team
is literally injured, and we know for a fact that
the other half will get injured. I would say Seattle.
I would still be pretty bullish on Seattle. The Rams
are not going away packers, pretty big wild card, would
not sell all my stocking, you know. And watching Washington
today like as long as they got that quarterback, they're
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not gonna go quietly. So my one take with the
NFC because for the last several years, like Lamar, Josh Patrick,
and then obviously if Burrow had the right team Burrow,
it's like that those guys are just gonna be tough
to beat. How you gonna bet against Typically it's been
Patrick Mahomes, But if if any of the other guys
had made it the Super Bowl. You would have bet
on Lamar and the Ravens a couple of years ago.
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You would have bet on the Bills last year, like
their teams, just because of those quarterbacks. But you look
at the NFC again, they all kind of got some flaws.
But it's just it's pretty tough and it's gonna be
wide freaking open come the NFC playoffs because the injuries
are gonna play a massifactor. They currently are playing a
massive factor. Team that's kind of flying under the radar
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a little bit. Is the Lions. Like you're gonna look
up and the Lions are gonna be like thirteen and
four and be a mother Come come the playoffs. People,
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I know the Porta Potti Panthers as we called them
last year. I said this last week. The Saints are
not that terrible. They're not gonna have a good record,
but like they're not that bad of a team because
their offense is pretty explosive. Now, the Giants had about
twenty five turnovers today. Obviously, Dart was started fast, got
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a little weird in the middle of the game. Scataboo
had a fumble that it felt like I was kind
of hoping Skataboo would take his helmet and like fling it,
but he kind of held his emotions and the Saints.
Saints have good offensive players. Somehow. The Titans came back
from the dead in one a game the Jets to
me at through the first five weeks. The Dolphins lost
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today to the Panthers, who probably are the same type team,
probably a little feistier than you think. Neither of that good,
but neither of a total embarrassment. You know, the Jets.
The final score I thinks thirty seven to twenty two.
They were down thirty to six in the fourth quarter.
It is it's pretty crazy how shitty they are, because listen,
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I thought signing Justin Fields to that contract is pretty insane.
But they still had good players. They they had a
good young tackle, they had a star wide receiver, they
got a couple running backs, they got good defensive players.
And you're watching them, You're like, these guys just suck.
Like I understand watching the Titans, like, yeah, they're not
very good. They don't have a ton of guys that
other teams would want. But you watch the Jets like,
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if they're healthy, how many guys on their roster individually,
would the Niners, the Eagles, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Seattle, the Rams,
the Packers watching want I mean a ton, they would
want a ton of their players. Yet, this is what
makes football such a great support. It's not about the
individual players. We have seen a lot of teams over
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the years with good individual players absolutely stink. And that's
what it happens in college all the time. You're like, god,
this team is look at Penn State like you went
eight and four, and it happens every once in a
while a lot of times in the NFL, just a
team like the Patriots last year or the Giants last year,
like team with not that many good players losing. Then
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you have the Jets. You're like, I'm pretty sure you
got a lot of good players and they look destined
to not be good at all. So they're gonna get
the Porta Potty Award. I mean, that's that's that's Ryder
Cup level humidity, afternoon wave, that smells, that stinks. That's
the Porta Potty Jets. They'll get that honor for the week.
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A couple other quick things before we get out of here.
I think we just have to acknowledge and I'm not like.
I saw a mock draft last week on the Athletic,
not by one of their main guys, guy I'd never
heard of, but still like it was up on the
website that had arch Manning. It was a first round
mark as pick twenty eight. And this was before the
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Florida game. And I said, listen, I don't pretend to
be an NFL scout anymore. That's long time ago. I'm
just a podcaster, but I do watch football for a living.
I have a kind of close friends in the profession,
and I got a pretty good idea. Doesn't mean I'm
gonna be right on every player, but I can tell
you pretty solidly, especially with a quarterback, like yeah, this
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guy is gonna go in the top fifty picks or
like no chance based on right now, there is not
a chance on God's Green Earth before the Florida game
that arch Manning would have gone in the first round,
not one, like zero percent chance. There is less than
a zero percent chance after the Florida game that he
would go in the first round. I'm not saying he
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wouldn't get drafted, but he would not get drafted. I
mean second round, no chance, third round, no chance. I
think you'd be crazy using a fourth. I mean, this
guy is not a draftable player. I think there'd be
a lot of teams like, I'm not drafting he's not
a good player. Were watching him play in college football
and he's not very good. Is he injured? Is he
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just overrated? Listen. I don't know anyone with the Texas program.
I don't have inside information on this. I'm just more
like most of you. I've just turned on the television
and I actually didn't even watch much of this game
live because I was watching my guy at UCLA ruined
James Franklin's career. But I went back last night we
flew home from California. I was laying in bed at eleven.
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We got home at like ten thirty, couldn't really sleep,
and I'm like, you know what, I know, me and Colin,
I'm sure we're going to talk about Arch. Let's type
in Arch all of his plays and all his highlights,
not t highlights, but just his plays, his offensive snaps
from the Florida game. And I came away, I'm like,
this is just this is just not good. And I've
told this to Colin. I've said this to a bunch
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of people that asked me over the weekend. I don't
believe he's going to be at the University of Texas.
One of my good friends, my college roommate, lives in
Austin and he actually is in business with Carson Palmer's
brother Jordan. He goes to a lot of Texas games,
and even he was trying to be bullish. He's like,
I'm telling you, I think Art is gonna turn this
thing around. And he's work because I think a lot
of people in that community are rooting for him. It's
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a cool story. And he texted me like midway through
the game, I think he was at the airport, like
having a Beer's like, God, this guy stinks, Like yeah,
just he does. This isn't like I would love for
this guy to be good. But there was a pass
that DJ Lagway had in the game where he threw
like a bomb down the middle of the field. You're like,
that's talent. It's like, I've watched enough Colts this year
to go like, listen, I was probably wrong on Daniel
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Jones because he's more physically gifted than I realized. He
throws the ball better than I thought. He had a
throw today against the Raiders in the red zone where
he scrambled to his right and let it rip. You're like,
I'm not saying like that's Josh Allen, because you know
Josh Allen's throwing one hundred miles an hour, but that
throw was like ninety six miles an hour. If we're
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doing the baseball camp like, that's pretty like his pysical
attributes really translate. I'm watching Archer's physical attributes just relative
to the sec they don't translate. I'm flipping the channels yesterday,
I going to the Diego Pavia and Ty Simpson Alabama,
Like those guys are in a different world than him.
So for all the hype or whatever, and listen, this
happens sometimes. There's never been anything quite like this, a
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preseason Heisman just because of his last name, but just
an all time disaster. And speaking of disasters, I'd be
lying to you if I didn't type into YouTube this
morning when I was on a walk Penn State podcast
and just listen to the reaction of just some local
young guys that were just letting it fly. It's like,
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just inject this shit into my veins. Tim Skipper, and
I've said this for a long time to people in
the business, He's easily one of the best coaches I've
ever been around. When I was a GA at Fresno State,
he was one of our. He was a running back coach,
he was a linebacker coach, assistant defensive coordinator. Every single
player that was around him at Fresno State would swear
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by him, not just as a coach, but as a
guy and as a man. He's a fucking stud. I
love Tim Skipper. His brother Kelly is the running back
coach for the Bills and his dad is now retired
in actually Arizona, longtime MENFO coach. He's a football lifer.
He was an excellent, like All American linebacker in the
late nineties at Fresno State. His brother Kelly was a
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running back I think in the late eighties or early
nineties at Preston State. They're a football family, and I've
always thought he kind of got the short end of
the stick with some stuff. He was a coach at
Florida with Jim mcelwaine. He was the interim coach last
year at Fresno State. I thought he should have get
the job. They didn't give it to him. It really
pissed me off. Deshaun Foster his dad coached him in
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Carolina like twenty years ago, maybe a little less than that,
and Deshaun has said, I'm like a four Skipper brother,
third Skipper brother, so they're very, very close, and he
brings them in and then obviously DeShawn gets fired and
they give Tim Skipper the interim job up and then
I wasn't really even following it the way they elevated
Jerry Neuheisel, who used to be I think the backup
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quarterback for Josh Rosen and was like a second third
string quarterback in his college career. Obviously, his dad, Rick,
former UCLA coach, talks just like him. The blonde locks
is calling place. You got Tim Skipper and Jerry Neuheisel
going up against James Franklin with the highest paid coaching
staff currently in college football. Jim Knowles, who left Ohio
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State last year after win the National champions to go
to Penn State, is the highest paid defensive coordinator in
the country. I do believe that when you set your
site specifically on one regular season game in college football
that is no longer a regular season sport, you could
have several losses and make the playoffs. Yet Penn State
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treated Oregon like it was nineteen ninety eight or two
thousand and seven, that if you lose one game you're
probably done. Instead, it's not the end of the world.
Now it felt like the end of the world because
James Frankly can't be in a good team and Penn
State can never win that game, and it was at home.
The wide out, it didn't really change that much. They
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still controlled everything, but the way they had built up
for that game and then the letdown in the way
they had lost. I say this all the time about
the NFL. These are humans, and hell, these are eighteen
nineteen twenty. Do you think that the Penn State players
were that focused on UCLA? Not a chance in hell.
Do you think the coaches were as locked in as
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they would have been had they won that Oregon No chance? Well,
who really tried Tim Skipper, who's trying to prove himself
They can't get a head coaching job, even though he's
worthy of it. He's a fucking stud and his references
are elite. Everyone swears by the guy. He had that
team ready to go. Jerry Neuheisel, who's a tight end
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quarterback coach. He's got his dad in the CBS studios
and tears running Nico. I'm a lava, can't even say
his last name. Whoever was making fun of Nico has
been the butt of everyone's jokes all college football season.
He takes less money. He goes to UCLA, one of
the worst teams in the country. The team has scored
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fifty seven points on the season. They scored forty two
against Penn State. It's one of the biggest upsets in
my life. There have been bigger upsets numerically right by
the point spread, like Stanford I think was a forty
point underdog when they when Jim Harbaugh beat Pete Carroll.
I don't know what the point spread was on Apple
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Lachian State beating Michigan, but like obviously it was a
really big deal. Yeah, NIU last year against Notre Dame.
We have had some individual crazy ones in like a
one off situation. I would also say this non conference
games NIU, Notre Dame, Apple Lash and State Michigan, that
can happen like Stanford, USC like that, that's pretty banana.
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Penn State going to UCLA knowing that they still have
everything in front of them to lose that game, I
just don't think you shake it. There are certain things,
and we'll get into Mark Sanchez here in a second,
you just can't shake and this is one of those. Obviously,
there are variables like buyouts and James Franklin fifty six,
you know, depending on this isn't like I don't think
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you can just type it in and get the specific
number from Penn State. But based on reports I've read,
it's somewhere between fifty and fifty five million dollars, which
in this landscape is a lot of money. And as
some of the podcasts I listened to today said, if
buyouts did not exist, James Franklin would have been fired
right after the UCLA game. Because you can lose the
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Oregon game. Hell, James Franklin has made a career of
losing the Oregon game. You can never lose the UCLA game.
And some people thought it's one of the worst losses
in the history of the program, definitely in the modern era.
But when you're paying a guy this much money, when
you're paying a team this much money, and when you're
paying coaching staffs this much money, losing a game like
that can be a nail in a career at Penn
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State doesn't mean that he couldn't go if you're Florida,
like you'd be interested in Jane Franklin. You would love
if you're Florida, for James Franklin to do what he
did at Penn State for you, even if you never
beat Alabama or Georgia skip me in the playoffs and
people kept saying, well, hey, you know, we make the
play The stats came out on Penn State that if
the playoffs had been around before the twelfth team or
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over the last ten years, Penn State would have made
it like five out eight years. So like they had
been doing the same thing over and over and for
the first time, it's like, ugh, maybe it's done. And
in this landscape of paying players, maybe they tune you
out faster. I don't know, but congrats to my guy,
Tim Skipper, and I'll end on this. I saw that
the story break like most people. When we were in
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the car driving from Napa to Davis to go to
Maria's or family baby shower, well her baby shower. Even
though I said that to her, She's like, well, it's
your baby too. I'm like, yeah, Well, if my buddy
wouldn't have been getting married. I never would have come
on this trip. But that's neither here nor there. Baby
show is fun. A little hungover, but I made it
through schefter people put out. TMZ puts out that Mark
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Sanchez been in an altercation and been stabbed like Ben robbed,
and then more information came out that he got attacked.
And then we're twenty four hours later and now the
stories come out that looks pretty bad for Mark Sanchez,
who was obviously arrested for attacking a guy. And my
overall takeaway is this, because I don't have any more
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information than any of you that have just read the
stories online that when you make decisions with alcohol and
potentially drugs, because I you know, obviously alcohol can be
a powerful thing. If you have a little too much,
you're not making sane decisions. But based on people that
I know that have been around Mark Sanchez in his
playing career, they fucking love the guy he was. I
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know people that were around him in Philly, know people
that were around him in Chicago. I've never heard a
bad thing about the guy, and I hear a lot
of bad things about a lot of people. You know,
I'm a scouted heart, so I'm always asking people about
other people. And this moment, whatever was in his body,
alcohol plus whatever, if that's the case, gonna change the
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guy's life forever. And I was thinking about this. He
got lucky that in Indianapolis, this guy that he attacked,
who was just working his job. If that would have
happened where I live, in Arizona or in states like
Texas or the South, there is a very good likelihood
that when that guy got to like protect himself, it
wouldn't have been a knife, it would have been a gun,
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and he would have fucking put several inside of him
and probably killed him on the spot. And it just
shows you, you know, and I think about this, I'm
about to have a kid. I know Mark Sanchez has
a kid. When you get the opportunity and life is
going your way. And Mark Sanchon has had a pretty
freaking good life, played in the NFL for a long
time now, calls games for Fox, probably making I mean,
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I would be made and maybe a million bucks to
work seventeen days a year in to travel to some
different cities and obviously have some cocktails on Friday nights
before the game and with one, you know, drunk induced
whatever decision, you just throw your whole life away. And
I think about this a lot. Obviously my perspective has
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changed dramatically. You know, having about three months away from
having a child, and a lot of people listening to
this have kids or you know, thinking about having kids,
or maybe have a kid on the way, or maybe
about to get married, and more and more people that
come in your life that depend on you, that your
consequences affect a lot of people, or your actions that
have consequences impact a lot of other people. If I
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make a devastating mistake, it no longer just impacts me.
It would impact my wife, it would impact my child,
it would impact the home that we share together. I mean,
it has massive consequences. And obviously this is about you
see the picture or the still shot of the guy
in the hospital that that he attacked, and here's the
thing it was. I've spent I mean, probably in my
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life fifty days in Indianapolis when I was working in
the NFL, probably three different combines at six seven days.
I've gone to the combine multiple times at four or
five days since working in the media, maybe three different times.
So maybe thirty five days in Indianapolis. It's a pretty
easy going place. I've been to a lot of cities
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where you know, you're just you're kind of looking over
your shoulder, especially you know late at night, you know,
probably walking home to the hotel a little bit late.
Indianapolis is not one of those places. I have never
thought twice, And I've had a lot of late nights.
In all those nights that I've spent in Indianapolis, I've
had some nights where I get home at three or
four in the morning. So I have a lot of
coaches and scouts over the years, and that's the last
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thing that crossed my mind ever, was something weird happening,
because it's not really in my experience, especially where he's
staying the west In or the Marriotte where that's going down,
and with this guy who's just working at the hotel,
probably never crossed his mind either. So just just don't
be a fucking idiot and lay off the drugs. That's
that's my uh, that's my advice for the night. The
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volume mm hmm
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