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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Millicoff three Now podcast. Hopefully everyone is having a
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great day. We're gonna go with little Curveball today because
we had intern Jackson who's been coming on the last
couple of weeks to just pepper me with questions about
college football, and we ended up going for about an
hour and I said, you know, let's just make this
the show. There's not much happening in the NFL world.
I'll do a big mail bag tomorrow on top of
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whatever happens NFL wise. Really, the only news today was
the Alshire suspension. Casario went on a rant. I had
given my thoughts on just the violence in football, protecting
of the quarterbacks, and you know where we're at and
why it's such a slippery slope right now on Monday
Night Football's podcast. So I guess it would have been
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Tuesday show. So if you miss that, you can go
back and listen. Today we'll be college only and a
lot going on. We got conference championship games, which teams
will be basically making sure they have home field advantage
whoever wins the Big four games, that being the Big Ten,
the SEC, the ACC, and potentially the Big Twelve, though
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it could be Boisey, which would be pretty nuts. But
we will talk about all this. It has been a
really good year for college football in terms of interest
and ratings, and though I did see Thanksgiving Day, the
games averaged like thirty five million people watching. So it's
safe to say football is pretty popular right now. You know.
It's just it's one of those things that you go
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into most homes on Sundays or on holidays and you
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the pickskin around, making tackling, blocking, and kicking field goals
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Jackson here, and he sent me a visual. He's from
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Arizona somehow played football at Montana. Yet he's a Notre
Dame fan and he's celebrating going stone cold slamming beers
after Notre Dame. You know, pretty impressive win, right, I
mean multiple pick sixes? I think did I hear a
stat that they had more pick sixes than any team
in college football history this year.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, and then a ninety nine yarder and one hundred
yarder back to back series. But I mean, look, you know,
USC say what you want to say. I think they're
six and six, seven and five six, and they're definitely
better than their schedule. I mean their record shows. But
for Notre Dame past years, that's been a trap game
for them. That's been the game where you think they're
going to make the playoff and they lose the last week.
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So for them to win that game, for them to
have a home playoff game, hopefully it's snows in South Bend.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Dad's from South Bend. That's where I get the ties there.
But we'll get to.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Notre Dame in a bit, because I know you don't
like Notre Dame. Not don't like him, you're just not
for them.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Your dad grew up in South Bend, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, how's that possible?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right? How does he end up there?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I just born and raised there, and then he went
to Central Michigan and then I kind of got the
the ties from him to be a South Bend, obnoxious
Notre name fan and then now we make our way here. Yeah,
it's confusing, but no, I'm happy for Notre Name. And
you know, you got to show a little extra motivational,
extra excitement on the social media, you know, to help
help get some more engagement by shoving some beers down
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your head.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know. You know what's funny is that, uh, you
might only have your coach for a couple more games
because the Chicago Bears rumors are that they're interested he
did in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I was going to ask you about that though, because
those rumors are are spiraling. Why would you leave Notre
Name where your your recruiting classes are starting to develop.
You control everything you have, like you control the ANIL
is great there, whereas the Chicago Bears. I mean, it's
a shit show right now. And I don't know the
GM polls and stuff like that. I just I don't
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know why you would leave Notre Dame where things are
going smooth and can go to Chicago Bears, where I
think you said on your last show it's it's a
disaster there.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I think you know. Freeman's thirty eight years old.
He's like Robert Soli, right, he has about ten kids.
He makes a lot of money relative to society, but
I think relative to the big boys. This might be Okay,
can I get my eight year, eighty million dollar extension,
especially if I think if he wins a playoff game. Right,
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let's just say, it's what are they It's hard to tell.
What would you guess? Six seed, seven seed somewhere Notre.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
D Yeah, they'll probably play let's say SMU or maybe
Alabama or Indiana, most likely as a ten or eleven.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, okay, so to me, there's a big you play Alabama,
even though there's a bad Alabama team relative to Sabans,
it wouldn't be the worst loss in the world like
alabamaud be Georgia. You play SMU or you play Indiana.
You know, obviously, following the program, you have to win
that game. You win that game, and then you the
next round you play whoever, who's really good coin flip whatever.
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It's a good game, even if you lose extension time,
Like I want to stay here. Notre Dame's a better
job than the Bears. Notre James is a better job
than the Jets, and Woody Johnson better job than Trevor Lawrence.
Plus you're thirty eight years old, right, so I think
that it probably makes sense for him to stay unless
he just has you know, he was a player at
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Ohio State right drafted, played in the NFL for a
little bit. It's I think once you get to like
the top five or six programs Texas, Georgia, LSU, what
Notre Dame is obviously Ohio State, Alabama, it's basically like
an NFL job, except you're also the GM, you know,
so I think in Notre Dame, until you guys joined
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the Big Ten, it's actually an easier path. As Brian
Kelli lern this year.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's the biggest knock on Notre Name right now
is they're like, man, wh why don't you guys join
a conference? But Notre Name gets to pick who that
they play every single year. If you've only got to
lose one game and you're basically in the playoff, I
think they're fine being the five seed. You look at
the twelve team playoff right now, you're the five seed.
You play the worst team as a twelve, which would
be Arizona State or Boise State, and then you would
play the worst conference champion and then you find your
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way in the semi final and it would probably have to
play Oregon, but you guarantee yourself one or two wins. Honestly,
the five spot might be the best spot in the
whole bracket.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Basically, they have to go eleven and one every year
to get the five. Maybe, depending on the schedule, right,
they could go ten and.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Two, and if they didn't have the A and M
win the first week, they didn't have all the other
ranked wins, which I don't know how Army and Navy
ended up being ranked, they would not even be in
the equation to be in the twelve team playoff.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But that's where we see.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It was a legitate win, it's a road win. That's
you know, Texas gets a lot of credit for that. So, yeah,
let's exciting time to be a Notre Dame fan. Let's
let's fire into some college football talk, because shit would
get a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, exciting time to be a Notre Dame fan. Not
exciting time to be an Ohio State fan. As they
lose their fourth straight to Michigan Ohio State's continued fourth
quarter struggles. A little stat here for you. The fourth
quarter in this game, Michigan had twenty three plays for
one hundred and twenty one yards. Ohio State only had
seven plays ten yards. So I first asked you, let's
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start with Ohio State. How does Ohio State keep losing
to Michigan? And then we can dive into Ryan Day. Yeah,
they're just not as tough.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And I mean that's Michigan is like Mike Tyson there,
Muhammad al They're a heavyweight fighter. And this year's the
worst team they've had right in a long time, and
it's gonna be the worst team they have moving forward.
But the one thing they can do is they can
get into a brawl, right and if you're going to
run it up the gut that they're going to be
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tougher than you. And Ohio State just isn't tough. Under
Ryan Day, you've been in a football locker and you've
been around football coaches. I was telling this the coward.
Some guys are tough guys. Some guys are not. And
I don't mean like physically, you know, some fifty five
year old guy could beat you up. Some of them can,
but I just mean, like, you're, like, God, this guy's
an intimidating guy. And Harbaugh, the Harball family going to
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his dad, they don't have to fake it, right. Mike
Tomlin's a tough guy. Dan Campbell's a tough guy. Kirby
Smart is a tough guy. Hell that guy that he embraced,
Brent Key, the coach at Georgia Deck sure looks like
a tough guy to me. Ryan Day is not a
tough guy. Chip Kelly is not a tough guy. They
can't fake that. And like the Michigan program, the soul
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in the ethos is just toughness, and it's like, how
could you get into this rock fight when you have
all these ferraris on the outside. Will Johnson, I mean,
if he's healthy, he's probably gonna be I don't know,
top six to seven pick in the draft, not even playing.
So your best DB's out. We've lost a bunch of
defenders from last year. Their only you know, strength is
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that interior defensive line. Their linebackers are good. And you
just kept running it up the gut. So I and
the visual of him after the game, you know, I
will defend him. I think he just it'd be like
he just saw his family got murdered, like that loss.
He had just said on like Tuesday or Wednesday, we
can never lose this game ever again. My family for me,
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Like so, I I do think the fight or flight.
I do think he was in such a shell shock,
you know, now he would he have been in the
middle of mixing up. Probably not. But I do think
I will defend him standing there because not in his
wild not in his worst nightmares, he did he envision
losing that game at home for the last three or
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sixty five days. So I think they're a loss away.
Now we'll see who they end up playing. I think
he could easily get fired now. I also think when
you look around, you go, okay, fire Ryan Day, who
are the candidate out there? Your guy is Ohio State guy,
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you know? And Notre Dame is obviously a fantastic job
in this current climate, but Ohio State is the best job.
I think it's the best job in college football because
you recruit SEC players and you play Big ten teams.
I would imagine Marcus Freeman would be one of their
first calls because Mike Mike Rabel's not taking He's going
to the NFL, So I that would be that would
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have to hurt your heart if he just jumped off.
But like Mario Christaball a couple of years ago when
he left Oregon, it's like this is my home, This
is my spot something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
People are throwing Dion Sanders name out there. I think
every job available in college football or even the NFL,
they're gonna throw his name out there. But sick that
program under Dion Sanders And we talked about it too.
I mean, I feel like in today's college football age,
you know a lot of kids are more sensitive. They
kind of want someone that they can relate to. Deon
Sanders a swagger. He has the big fan base behind him.
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I mean, he's won big games also lost in big
games too. That would be a sweet fit just for
him to go over to Ohio State and have that
nil collected behind him, have all the talent playing the
big ten.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, here's the thing too, Like Prime is progressive in
terms of social media and being all over the place.
He's got you know, one of his sons with the
camera all over. He is like a nineteen fifty sixty
coach in terms of big o full pads. You saw.
You know, the media is always like, oh, don't they
don't have to play the ball games and Primes like
fuck that these got Chador and Travis are playing and
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like that zero like period, point blank. End of story,
and he has kind of the swag and the gravitas
to do some of these things that I mean, the
traditional media would be destroying any coach that said that
about those two type players. But obviously one's his son.
But still like Travis, isn't I mean, Travis probably more
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likely to end up going number one than Shador. And
if one of those guys were to get hurt and
some random bull against I don't know, you know, you
picked the you know the team, it's gonna be an
enormous story. And Dion does not care. He does not care.
So I actually think from a toughness standpoint, like these
dudes from the seventies, the eighties and the nineties. I
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remember when I was with the Eagles, our special teams
coach Bobby April, was with Dion in Atlanta in the
early nineties and I was just you know, like you young
I you know, young bright bushytailed and just excited for life.
So you're just peppering people with questions and I was
asking about Dion. He's like, you know, for all the Dion,
like the rap videos and just the way that he
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was portrayed in the late eighties early nineties, he was
nothing like that when he came into the building in
terms of he sat in the front room, he took
incredible notes. He was just an He was a grinder
on the practice field, like it wasn't some lollygag and
bullshit fest. And you hear that about a lot of
the great players, even though their public perception is a
lot different. It's like even Antonio Brown, he was like,
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until he fell off the rails, was like the hardest
practice player in Pittsburgh and even for a short little
stint with the Raiders. And I think Dion, like there's
just toughness that Dion has, which is ironic because as
a player, he famously said I didn't get paid to tackle,
Like he didn't want to tackle. Now, granted he was small,
he's a cover corner, but I do think Ohio State
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would be dramatically tougher than under Ryan Day and Chip Kelly,
which are just you know, chip Kelly was once upon
a time good, but his whole scheme is kind of soft.
You know, It's just it's what it is. It was
weird against Michigan, he like tried to I think they
ran it up the gut like fourteen times.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, or how about the back to back timeouts later
in that game that wasted ten seconds, which ultimately did
not matter, but you could tell in that moment. I
felt like when he called those back to back timeouts,
that's when you knew Ryan Day was just panicking.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, you said the seven plays in the fourth quarter
when the walk on quarterback for Michigan tells his name,
throws the pick and Davis Warren. Yeah, So when he
throws the pick right and just hit is Jack Suaer
in the hands and they I think there's like seven
minutes left on the you know on the clock it's
ten to ten. You're thinking, ohiuse is gonna win this game, right,
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this is they're gonna put the pedal to the medal.
They went three and out in like the blink of
an eye. In the blink of an eye, it was
like run up the gut screen passed that got tackled
behind the line of scrim It was like Jesus. And
then that's when Michigan had the you know, think essentially
the game, I mean not the game ending drive just
was like, I don't think they throw a pass.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They didn't really target Jeremiah Smith at all in the
in the whole fourth quarter, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Zero targets in the second half.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, And like you mentioned with that, Will Johnson, I
wanted to talk what do you You've covered the sport,
You've scouted a lot of players, the talent of Mason
Graham and what he does for that defense, Like I mean,
do you compare them? What are you compared by Aaron Donald?
Is that too far fetch to say? Like, what do
you when you evaluate Mason Graham?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What sticks out to you?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Because that's another guy who played. He's the top five,
it's gonna be a top three pick the next year's draft.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I honestly got to study him more in terms
of like his style of play. Obviously, I think he's
universally agreed on as one of the best players in
this class. After the game when they got in the
in the scuffle over the flag which I saw today
on Instagram, Jason Levant, who when I worked with the
Eagles was our slot receiver, was the dude in the
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hoodie with the mask on ripping the flag back. So
he must have been I don't know if he works
for the program. He played at Michigan. He might have
just been there as an alumni. He was the dude
ripping the flag back.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
That's when Sawyer's screaming at them to get off, and
Mason Graham's looking at him and just calling him pussies
over and over and Sawyer keeps going like your season's over,
you know, and it was. I really enjoyed that. Yeah,
as a player, I don't know, you know what makes
her breaks defensive tackles. To be the elite guys like
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you gotta have pass rush ability clearly from a strength
moving him just a dominant, physical run stuffer. But to
draft top to I don't even have the stats in
front of me, but like you know, the Aaron Donalds
when I was with the Eagles, Fletcher Cox, Jalen Carter,
It's like, I gotta be able to dominate as a
pass rusher on top of stuffing the run. Jared Vers,
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who probably has been one of the better rookies this
year from Florida State for the Rams his pass rush.
He's a good run defender because he's so strong, but
his pass rush is awesome. So to me, to justify
taking a D lineman really really high, I think where
you're getting problems historically is when guys don't have great
pass rush right now. You know, hello Nada. There have
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been guys that aren't I would call great pass rushers
that do well, But like Jordan Davis, I think if
the Eagles had to do over on that one, they
just would have taken Kyle Hamilton probably right. You know,
he's a good run stuffer. So that's gonna be the
question on me. But I gotta I haven't studied. I
didn't watch that much of Michigan this year because they
were so terrible after the USC game. It's like you
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didn't have to really watch them. And the one good
player you always heard about was him and the running
back and Will Johnson. But those guys are hurt number
seven and Will Johnson got hurt like weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, and the fact that they won this football game.
And my last question in terms of Ohio State, we
can move on after this? Can Ohio State bounce back
after this selas against Michigan? And then for Ryan Dad
the same as future. Is it basically a national championship
for him to regain his position back at Ohio State
or you think it's basically if he doesn't win a
national championship, he's done.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I don't think they would fire Ryan Day right now
unless they had the plug and play candidate, you know,
like and there's not like Urban Saban, Like those guys
don't really exist, Like who is that version at fifty
years old that you would plug and play? Assuming Vrabel
doesn't want it. Marcus Freeman's a good example, but you
could argue what's really the difference of the two, right
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because the thing is, like Lincoln Riley, that's a shit
show at usc Ohio State's devastating because they keep losing
to Michigan, but there's still ten and two, eleven and
one every year and they're gonna be in the playoffs
every year, and their recruiting's awesome, So it's like it
could be way worse. He is good enough to survive
if there's not another candidate. It's like when you're in
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a serious relationship, you're like, yeah, I'm probably not gonna
marry her, but she's definitely cool enough. I don't have
any other options right now. You don't necessarily dump her
or vice versas she might dump your ass, right, but
if she doesn't have a better option to me, if
like Vrabel said, he was in he'd be fired yesterday,
they would fire him right now. But like I just
you look around, like Iowa State had a good year,
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so as Campbell kind of come back to the forefront,
like who are like, who's the next Kirby Sark kind
of out there right now?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean Dillingham definitely his name would be thrown in
the equation. I mean, I mean the bold.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Move though, like he's had two years, he had one
good season trip. I think if you're at Ohio State,
like what you did with Ryan Day was pretty unique.
He had never been a head coach. He had barely
even been a coordinator, you know. Typically, Like I talked
about this on the podcast, yes say like think about Sark.
Sark was a head coach. One he was an offensive
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coordinator for one of the best teams of my life
at USC. Then he was a head coach of Washington
head coach at USC. Then he went to Bama and
Atlanta Falcons. Like his resume was long before he got
the Texas job. Even Marcus Freeman had been like with Fickle,
they had developed this BCS program, A bunch of people
wanted him. Then went to Brian Kelly as the defensive coordinator.
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So like he had been other places as the coordinator.
Ryan Day had never been the coordinator till he went
to Urban Meyer, So it's like that was I would
say one of the riskier hires in recent memories worked
out pretty well. I mean, their standards are so high, right,
anything beside a ten out of ten is a disaster.
But like, what I think they would want is the
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equivalent of like what Bama did with debor like a
guy that like is won everywhere Brian Kelly when Notre
Dame and LSU hired him, or if it doesn't work
at least you go like, shit, while we're look at
Lincoln Riley, it's now you look back. It's like, yeah,
he inherited a pretty sweet deal in Oklahoma. I mean
the team he took over that Bob gave him was
like Baker Mayfield and like fifteen other NFL guys on
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offense and defense. Then just like go build your own program,
Like if Ryan Day just had to, like I'm trying
to think of a program in disarray like North Carolina
or something. If he just got fired in North Carolina
hired him, I would say it's less than a fifty
percent chance that he would be good there. Maybe, but
he's never been in that situation where Sark has like
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kind of seen at all. So we got to Texas.
At least he understood what it took to go for nothing.
That's where Lincoln goes to USC. It's like, this is
gonna be a tough job, man, Well, how does he know?
Like all he's ever seen is he went to Texas
Tech as a player and then as an assistant coach
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Speaker 2 (23:58):
Speaking of a coach that you talked earlier, went to Oregon,
then went over to Miami, his home Mario chriusball Miami,
they lose to Syracuse. And what was another team that
controlled their own destiny as Syracuse a team where I
don't think anyone had a better weekend than Kyle McCord.
I mean, you beat six Miami, your old team, Ohios,
they lose to Michigan. Again, what do you make of
(24:19):
Mario christaball in Miami where you get the transfer quarterback
guy and cam Ward probably not going to play in
the bowl game, and you lose to Syracuse and you
have probably one of the worst defenses in the country.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I mean, forty two to forty five points that Syracuse scored.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You have a twenty one zero it's fourth and goal
on your own ten are on Syracuse's ten yard line.
You decided to kick the field goal and just hope
that your defense stops him. Like I don't know, I
was puzzled by that move because it was one of
those things where, oh, here we go, Mario Christobal makes
it a dumb headed coaching decision, and now it kind
of cost Miami their season.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What'd you make of that game in Miami losing to Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I didn't watch that much of that game, but throughout
the season they have been flirting with disaster, right they
trying to pull up. So the Virginia Tech game, which
they easily could have lost on that Hail Mary play
the Cow game, they were getting their ass kicked and
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had a crazy comeback in the middle of the night.
Louisville game was back and forth. The Georgia Tech game
they lost. So I look at Miami and I go
Mario is a good example. He is an elite recruiter.
He is like ed O the he's this version of
ed now that Ed's retired, like he's at ojon. I
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think people question like does he know what he's doing?
Like the one thing Nick was really good at? Who
was This is why Nick was John Wooden of college football.
He was the best recruiter and he was the best
schematic guy. Kirby is like the you know, I would
say the water down version of that. He's not to
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be Nick Saban, but he's freaking good. He's an elite
recruiter and clearly no scheme, especially defense. Nick was like,
I think the old in his older years, I had
a very good idea of what he wanted on offense Kirby, Like,
you know who, if you're a Kirby's offensive coordinator's a
pretty good gig you get to run it. I just
questioned as Mario crystal ball because you go back to
Oregon and the knock on him was like he just
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couldn't now scheme anybody. And that's not really his baby.
He's kind of a meathead kind of Ojeron. Well, when
did Ojeron win the natty? Is? Who are his two coaches?
David Randa was the ball dude was his defensive coordinator, right,
who ended up getting the Baylor job, And I think,
you know, I don't know if he's gonna get fired
or not, but he's an excellent college defensive coordinator. And
Joe Brady, who we see with the Buffalo Bills. So
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it's like, if you get lightning in a bottle with
your coordinators at Mario, you got a shot. I do
think like their defense sucks, they will give him money
and he will recruit defensive players that won't be the problem.
Like talent over the next five years is not going
to be the issue at Miami. I would say Miami
will have as much talent as any team in the South,
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like not named Georgia Bamarelsu, Like, they will be right
there with anyone talent wise, but it's like they're not
gonna Who would you take in a coaching matchup Kirby
de Bor Brian Kelly, like you do. Those guys have
proven that's Mario that's the problem. And I get it.
He's their guy and he's passionate about it. But can
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you imagine sitting here December third, like a month ago,
if you would have said, like, Miami's not gonna be
in the conference championship game and just out of the playoff.
That's pretty crazy. Even when they were kind of, you know,
skirting by. They're like the college version of the Chiefs
where they were winning some of these crazy games, but
at the end of the day, the Chiefs still have
Mahomes and Andy Reid, where you're like, I don't know
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if Mario can hold on to this rope is getting
thinner and thinner, and then all of a sudden it
breaks and now you're like, yeah, they're just done. They're
not even in the conference championship game. That's that's insane.
They're not in the conference championship game. That's wild. Wild.
Syracuse is good though they went nine and McCord and that.
I was telling this to a buddy the other day.
My entire life in college football and then my couple
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of years at Fresno State, players like, if you were
a Division IE player and you had you had NFL talent,
you were gonna go through a period and maybe a year,
whether you were at Fresno State, whether you're at USC, Oregon, Miami, whatever,
or you might have a bad year even if you're
a starter, you know, or a year that like this
is not I can't hang my hat on this. I'm
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not gonna get drafted off it. I'm gonna have the
entire offseason. I'm gonna work my ass off, I'm gonna
come back and I'm gonna parlay my adversity and my
struggles into good play. And then all of a sudden,
it's like, yeah, he had a rough sophomore year, but
his junior year borderline All American second round pick. Kyle
McCord is a good example my entire life Kyle McCord
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has I don't even want to say, a bad year
at Ohio State, it just felt like, oh, they'd sneed
a little more a Kyle McCord. He comes back and
then it's like, what if he's won the Heisman at
Ohio State this year, but instead they blamed on him.
He transfers to Syracuse. He's clearly pretty good. He's a
better thrower of the football than Will Howard.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
He's the leading passer in the country right now.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
That Will. I think Chip likes more of a mobile runner. Yeah. Yeah,
So it's like Chip wouldn't really you know, Saban would
have liked like a lot of other teams, like the
way this guy Kirby would like Kyle McCord, like that
type player Chip wants. Will Howard in theory was like
a bigger, stronger Mariota type. But it's like at the
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end of the day, you had to you need to
throw the ball, which is let them down in some
of these big spots because Will Howard, like your guy,
is not really viewed as like some big time NFL thrower,
but they can be athletes. Kyle mcc like, you can't
tell me if Kyle McCord was the way that he
looked this year like they're not better. They have fucking
three NFL receivers. They got one guy that's like seventeen
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to eighteen year old. They would probably be a top
twenty pick right now. Him and him and Ryan Williams. Honestly,
they might go top ten. You just be like, Yeah,
it's gonn to be hard for him year one to
get him a little stronger. But those guys could be
like the top five picks in three years or two years.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Speaking of another team with the quarterback that's been up
and down, has your outlook changed on Texas going on
the road at Texas A and M. It was old rocky,
you know, two red zone turnovers by Quinn viewers. But
they got the job done on the road against Texas
A and M seventeen to seven. Although it wasn't pretty man,
that defense continues to keep them in games.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, the receiver seven is Mond's hurt or bond right
He's looks he looks banged up right now, which to me,
if they're gonna win the Natty, they need him healthy
because their running backs good. So I'm not a quinn
Ewers guy. And that game was a classic example. He
had a pick and a fumble that got him right
back in the game. And if the play calling on
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the goal line with an athletic quarterback to just run
up the gut was a head scratcher. But Texas, I
think if they play A and M ten times and
both teams are healthy, Texas winning that seven. Texas is
the better team right now. How about Arch sneaky getting
some more run.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
The team.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I feel like their energy is so much different with
Arch Manning versus Quinn Eewers where I don't know, after
that run where he's hyped up and all the players
are coming up to him, that's same, and that different
energy from Arch Manning versus Plinyewers, and you just wonder
if Arch is in that position, if he can make
those throws.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
But I mean, I was at that Georgia Texas game.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He looked he looked flustered, But part of that was
because the offensive line was just getting bullied.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They were getting destroyed. And that's you have to wonder
this week. I think they had seven sacks when they
played Georgia last time, and it felt like twenty five pressures.
If that happens again, they will lose. You know. In
that Georgia Tech game. CJ Allen, number three, the linebacker
for Georgia, looked like Ray Lewis in his prime. He
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was a man amongst boys, and against Texas it wasn't
just hit, it was Walker number eleven. To me, like
Quinn yours, what makes me nervous? And that's what if
George is just an elite matchup against these guys, like
your offensive line is a little overhyped and we dominate
up front. Right because even against Georgia Tech, uh, what's
the name? Haines King is getting absolutely killed, but he
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just keeps getting up and it's you know, Quinn yours.
I don't know, man. I think the downfall this year
of Texas is ultimately gonna be quarterback play. Quarterback play,
so when you look at it could be Georgia as well.
But I would say Carson Beck when he's got in
rhythm in stretches, in games, Carson Beck is a better
player in my opinion than Quinn yours.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
He has a thrown interception in three weeks. Who's that
Carson Beck?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, he's playing better right now than yours.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, one hundred percent. They've they've utilized it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Tie in a lot more to Oscar delp than Cash
Jones had a good day too. But when you look
at that Texas Georgia game, do you think it's pretty
much it comes down to the quarterback position to who
cannot turn the ball over and put their team in
bad spot.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's in a big game like this, Well, yours who.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Got benched in the game?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You were?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You got benched, you know for a you know, basically
told to take a deep breath of the sideline, a benching.
He comes right back out of half time.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
He no.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I've being at that game when he threw that second interception,
and you know some people when they kind of move
their legs, they kind of rattle it back and forth
because they're just so anxious. That was Quinn you Weers
in that game, and you wonder I thought he was hurt.
I'm like, I don't know why they pulled him out.
And then Arch comes in so loud, stadium goes crazy
having Arch Spanning go win there. But yeah, I mean
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Quinn Youwers, He's one of those guys. I feel like
when he's in rhythm, he's relaxed, he's calm. He's one
of the best quarterbacks in the country. But if he
could throw an interception and he gets rattled early on.
It just continues throughout the game. It's tough to get
him back in that calm matter.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I feel like, well, to me, the one thing cool
about the nil era is because back, you know, before
three years ago, you couldn't have jerseys of players with
their last name. How many Manning jerseys did you see
at the Texas game on the ratio? Was it ninety
percent of the jerseys that you saw were say, Manny
on the back?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh yeah, or they had the sixteen no Manning name
on the last name, but you knew it was him.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Carson Beck if I remember through multiple interceptions as well
in the Texas game, so it's not like.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
He two of them were his receivers, they dropped them.
But yeah, he threw I think three interceptions and then
quinn Ewers had two or three as well. But for
quinn Ewers it was his interceptions were in his own territory,
which Georgia was like, okay, we're gonna have the ball
into twenty five, like this is easy, this clockwork.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
One thing that'll be you know, historically right before Texas,
Oklahoma got here, and really since in the Kirby era,
it was Georgia versus LSU or Bama basically, right, And
even though it's basically a Georgia home game because in
where the Falcons play, it's not that hard for LSU
fans or Bama fans, like they're gonna be there too.
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They might not be fifty to fifty split, but they
were gonna have a big presence. I'll be very interested
in the Texas presence, like do they treat this like
a super Bowl, Like it's like we're fifty we will
do anything to be there. Or is it just one
of those like we know we're going to the playoffs
no matter what. Georgia's ends up having eighty ninety percent
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of the fans, right, And because that's that's a sneaky
thing to me in these games. I saw it last
year in you know, Oregon Washington, which was the PAC
twelve game where Oregon was a huge favorite and it's
an easy place for them to travel. Washington traveled pretty
well there too, And you know who shows up because
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these are neutral site games, but they're kind of not
because you do get a big, big presence. That's always
the thing in Indy, like if Ohio State or Michigan
are there like it's a it's a home game for them.
And if this is an eighty percent people of Georgia,
like that's gonna be a Georgia home game. That's a
very very tough thing to overcome in terms of the noise.
It's in a dome, you know, Kirby, I guess they
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get the extra night arrest, right because they played for
this is on paper. I think this in Oregon Penn
State are just fantastic games. Based on what I see.
I'm not a huge believer, and it just gets back
to quinn Ewers. Not that I like Carson Becky either.
I just think that defensive line. I mean, those guys.
I wonder if they took Georgia Tech a little. They
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just weren't that focus in that game, and all of
a sudden they had themselves a game, right, They were
down multiple touchdowns in the fourth quarter and it took
all they had just to tie the game, get it
to overtime. Obviously, the overtime's a little quirky and weird,
but I just feel like, I like Georgia. Let's talk
about the Big Ten championship then Penn State, Oregon, Penn
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State I mean they weren't expected to be in the
Big Ten championship. Ohio State loses a short period of time.
You wonder if that plays would advantage of James Franklin.
Where before he kind of knew of the big time
games a long time before and couldn't get it done.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Now it's a short week play in Oregon. How do
you see this?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Do you think James Franklin and Penn State can get
it done against Oregon or do you think Oregon's just
too much for Penn State.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, I was thinking about this today. You know, he
takes a lot of shit right. Everyone says he can't
win a big game, and for the most part it's
true when he plays Ohio State, when he plays Michigan,
there looks like there's a discrepancy. And because he has
rosters like them in terms of five star players, when
he plays most of the other scrub teams in the conference,
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they just overwhelm them with talent. This would be a
moment if James Franklin won with Ryan Day losing, it'd
be a pretty big moment for the guy. It'd be
one of those where, I mean he makes a ton
of money, he's on a huge contract. It's not like
he's in danger of getting fired or going broke or whatever,
because he's done a good job. I just this the
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line is like three and a half points. It's not
like Oregon is some eight point favorite in this game.
Last year Oregon against Washington, who ended up beating Texas
obviously got boat raced by Michigan, but was really good,
and who had beat Oregon two times in a row
in the regular season with Doboor, I think was an
eight and a half or nine point favorite in Vegas.
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So this is Oregon, especially the second half of the
season post Ohio State, has been good. Right, they look awesome.
That that number is a little weird. I mean it's
it's like Vegas is screaming at you. I dare you
delay the points with Oregon? I dare it? So it's
just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I what is that weird to you?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
No, that's seven point favorite.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I actually thought that too when you look at it,
because all the all the conference championship games around two
and a half two three point spreads, And you're right,
I thought in this one Oregon, the how dominant they
looked this season then beating Ohio State Penn State not
beating Ohio State at home the line being two and
a half three that it's got to give.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
You a little hope that Penn State can keep it close.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I just wondered, at what type of Penn State are
we gonna see the Penn State at USC when juw
Hour threw for like two hundred and fifty yards, three
hundred yards, they got Tyler Warren involved had like one
of the most catches by a tight end. Or are we
going to see the Penn State where they kind of
don't throw the ball on the outside, They just keep
everything in and just run the ball and don't really
kind of threaten the ball downfield. So I wonder if
for this game at Penn State, the wide receivers and
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the Titans can be effective against Oregon.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And then for Oregon side.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I mean, they've looked great all year when they get
punched in the mouth, how they look against Penn State.
Penn State's defensive lines dominant, Oregon's got a good offensive line.
You know which coach is gonna be more aggressive? Is
Dan Lanning going to be kind of you know, the
four downs in midfield? Is he gonna go for it earlier?
Is he can to be kind of conservative, But yeah,
I think you're right. I think Penn State being a
three point underdog, it's like, what do the sportsbooks know
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that we don't know?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well. The other thing is now that the conference realignment,
this game has been an indie. I feel like ever
since I can remember. It's kind of like the acc
huge geographical advantage for Penn State. Not as far same
thing Clemson. Where's that at the Orange Bowl or wherever?
It's in Charlotte at Chanther Stadium. So it's like, what
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is is that gonna be? Smu is coming from Texas,
Dallas or whatever, and they just driving down the road
Oregon travels, I mean at a very very high level.
That's a pretty long travel for a game that matters
but doesn't really matter. You know, they're they're a lock.
They're either gonna be the one seed or the five seed.
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And if they're the five seed, they would be playing
a home game in two weeks. So you're like, can
I just stay at home and watch this on TV?
If I'm a West Coast Duck fan, where before it's like, oh,
let's go to Vegas. We're playing Friday night against Washington
it's a rival. It's sweet. I wonder if big advantage
Penn State in terms of geographically home game like that.
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That's something that sticks out to me in these games.
If it's fifty to fifty, then whatever, But I wonder
just if it is gonna be like seventy to thirty
Penn State just based on closeness it is a bigger
game for Penn State because that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think it's really quite because we talked about it too,
about how December twentieth is when the first round starts
and then the National Championships January twentieth.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
There's about like ten days in between each round.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So if you're an Oregon or Texas fan, you said, hey,
do we go out and go to the Big ten
or SEC Championship or do we hold back and say, well,
will either be in a New Year six game on
the what is it New Year's Eve weekend? Or we
could be at a home game December twentieth and kind
of hold back less less fight tickets.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Like, I think it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I mean, do you wonder how many fans are going
to show up because it's a disadvantage for Texas and
Oregon in those games.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Would Oregon, let's say they lose a tight game like
Penn State game winning field goal or whatever wins twenty
to nineteen, Oregon would be the five seed, right, they'd
be the highest rated non conference champion, and they would
host a game where they would be I would imagine
ten point favorite against an Arizona State against a Boise like,
it'd be Big ten, might even be feel might be
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like thirteen. They Boise play them well early this season,
which I My one issue with this is I understand
these conferences are so big. I mean, how many teams
are in the Big Ten, like eighteen. It's a ton
of teams, and eventually Notre Dame will be in there
and they'll add another Like these conferences are essentially the
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AFC in the NFC. I don't really like rematches in
the conference championship. That was cool to me about you
know the PAC twelve, the North in the South, or
the divisions in the in the Big Ten though a
little unfair because it was Michigan, Ohio State and Penn
State on one side.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
CC divisions last year too.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, it has been at forever and once Kirby got
there and Florida and Tennessee were down. It was just
like him every year while LSU Bama and like Ole
Miss and text A and m battled it out. But
I like, I'm glad Ohio. I didn't want to watch
Oregon Ohio State again, right, So this is a cool
matchup that we get as a one off scenario, like
Texas and Georgia. Like I've already seen that game now,
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I wouldn't mind seeing that again in a playoff game.
But we could potentially get these games if it had
been Ohio State and Oregon and Texas and Georgia three times.
It's basically like the NFL. It's like Green Bay and
the Lions. I played you twice in the regular season.
I play again in the playoffs. That's a little much
for me.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I want to talk about. There's so much more to
talk about in college football.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
We're recording this before the rankings and bracket comes out,
and I got a list of bubble teams. We texted
back and forth Saturday night about which teams are locks
to get it in. I think we can both agree
Oregon Texas. Let me pull it up real quick. Actually, Oregon, Texas,
Penn State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Georgia, Tennessee, Indiana A
teams all locks to get in, and then you've got
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the ACC Champ, which could be either SMU or Clemson.
Big twelve Champ which could be Arizona State or Iowa State,
and the most likely the Mountain West Champ Boise State
or UNOD which if SMU beats Clemson and leads up
one spot. If Clemson beats SMU, then you get into
this which I ask you. Old teams right now ASUMU
eleven and two, Alabama nine and three, Ole Miss nine
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and three, South Carolina nine and three, Miami ten and two.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Who gets in that last spot? Right now?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
DraftKings favorite is Alabama, So I ask you who gets
in Miami's out.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I think most people that cover and watch college football
agree that South Carolina is playing the best. I mean,
if Clemson were to beat SMU, South Carolina just beat them,
I'd have no issue. Now, they're kind of like branding.
This is ultimately a TV product. So when you see
that Alabama has gone from like a plus two hundred
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to get into now minus two hundred, the brand kind
of matters and say what you want, like their coach
last year was in the Final four and won a
playoff game. So and Jalen Milroe went toe to toe
with Michigan. I'm not gonna get caught up like I'm
not gonna go Jay Billis on the first four teams
out freaking out. Just don't care because I think all
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these two teams all you know, the three teams you listed.
This is the other thing with these big conferences and
adding all these teams, They're not all playing the same schedule.
So that's why these records. It's like Indiana's record is
not the same as Penn State or Ohio State's record
is not the same as like Georgia or Alabama, depending
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on who you play on it given year, and one
thing I would change and I get they probably did
this so they didn't get sued by the non Power
five programs. They had to throw the bone and listen,
I got my start in football at Prison State, so
I understand the non Power programs. I don't think you
should get an automatic bid, right, So if Boise wins,
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no issue there. They went toe to toe with Oregon,
they got second best player in the country and genty,
No one's gonna have a problem with that, but like,
what if they lose, which they usually could, UNLV is
pretty good. Should UNLV just automatically get a spot because
they have to give a spot to one of those
When you say it, it's probably between who's even another option? Tulane, Yeah, Tulane,
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but they just lost to Memphis last week, so you
would say the ranking they're seventeen. Why do these teams
have to get a spot? That's that would be my issue.
If I'm like South Carolina, Ole, Misster, Alabama, like how
are we all equals? And that's the thing if you're
in the NFL or not, well, we all agree the
power for conferences are harder. And then even within those,
like the Big twelve is easier than the SEC or
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even the Big ten if you have to play Oregon,
Ohio State or Penn State. So I that kind of
throws everything off because I think it would be easier.
You just be like South Carolina Alabama. Let them be in, right,
But I think when Boise, assuming they win, which I
would not assume that you know, Barry Otem that they're
pretty good at U ANDOV, So let's just say they
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lose and all of a sudden, like UNOV just gets
to go to the playoff. That seems kind of crazy
to me. Yeah, anyone, which is very possible, Which is
very possible.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, which would which would benefit the Big twelve because
I think they would get in as a top four
seed or potentially the ACC two and UNLV would definitely
be the twelve seed.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I think the thing in the Mountain West though, Boise
hosts the game, so that's which I do like, right, Yeah,
if it was at a legal new stadium, man, that
would be a disadvantage for them.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
But you talked about, you know, comparing conferences, and there's
a bunch of coaches tweeting about I saw Chris Clemben
saying how they play nine league games versus the SEC
plays eight, and Nick Saban going on and saying, well,
the committee should say if ole Miss played in the
Big twelve, what would the record be? All these comments
back and forth between you know, who's conference's best. We
all know SECS one and Big ten two, and the
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Big twelve feet a little disrespected. So I asked you,
how can they fix the constant comparison of conferences? Is
it you take away SEC playing Mercer in November and
inserting a non conference game and with either the Big
Ten or the Big twelve. Oh, there's non conference instead
of having in the beginning of the season, you kind
of have in the middle or the end of the season. Like,
how does this change because or are we just gonna
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have to deal with the coaches just bitching about which
conference is better and which conference is getting disrespected?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, you have to have universal rules. The reason the
NFL works well, not every team at the end of
the year, like the Lions schedule and the Eagles schedule
are not the same, but every single year we played
the same amount of conference games, division games and teams
from other conference and it rotates, so it's it's over time,
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it equals out. And don't I never get to play
a UFL team, so you have to get away. And
this is where like your team Army, Navy, any independence
like props to BYU you got to join one of
the conferences and then you basically play on a rotating basis.
Let's just pick eight games. You play eight conference games
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or nine if you want, and then the other game
teams are rotated through the other conferences. So this year
we play maybe two Big twelve teams and an ACC
team and then it flips two ACC teams and an
SEC team, you know, and it just rotates whatever. So
everyone over time is playing. Now. Obviously, on a given year,
a couple of the teams that you play might be down,
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other teams might be whatever. But that's part of football, right.
If you got the Bengals this year, it was easier
to get the Bengals and previous years, but you can't
have or maybe you get one maybe nine conference games.
You have to do a rotating other power for conferences,
and then you get one D one program like a
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San Diego State, a Fresno State, a Boise State two
lane whoever. But you no more D one double a's
and I'm a D one double A guy, you're a
D one double A. There is a dramatic difference. I
went one day, i was at cal Poly. Two weeks later,
I'm at Freensdon State practice, and it was like, this
is crazy. And cal Paly at the time we were
a playoff D one double A team and the level
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is not even comparable. So and then we all know
the level at Boise top to bottom. Like if you
put Boise in the Big twelve this year, do they
win it? Probably not do they probably have an extra
loss or two because it's just you're just playing better
players on a weekly basis. I don't blame Alabama or
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you know, was Alabama played Mercer or you know, and
they've been doing that forever. And I think Saban would say, well, twofold,
our side of the conference forever was harder. We had
ole miss Mississippi State for a long time with Dan Mullen,
was good with Dak Prescott A and M's had moments
with Johnny Manziel to Jimbo to now Elco obviously LSU.
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So it's like our Arkansas like it's just it's hard.
Are our conference games on our side of the bracket
and we're always play a tough game week one or
week two. But like you can't have them playing Mercer,
it can't happen. But there has to be like Notre
Dame camping independent, Like everyone has to be in a
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conference and they all work together universally, and I think
that's where inevitably we're headed. And then I think it
makes it easier on on the playoff situation, like we
don't have this issue in the NFL. Right, your records,
your record, everyone's record is the same, Like my nine
and three ten and ten and two is better than
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nine and three. But now we're like, well, Miami's tended two,
but it's hittier nine and three. If this is the NFL,
Miami would just make the playoffs and Alabama and Ole
Miss would not. Right, nine and three.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, when was the last time in the NFL they
talked about strength as schedule in terms of teams making
in It's it's no strength to schedule.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Every game in the NFL is tough to play.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Like the only curve ball is when a division really
sucks and a team's like eight to nine, I win
the division, which is the one thing people bitch and
moan about, And I'd have no problem. If you're an
under five hundred division winner, you just get ranked with
the rest. You might miss the playoffs. I would have
no problem. I don't know if they'd ever do that,
but I wouldn't have any That's never gonna be an
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issue in college football. But it's gonna be like my
nine and three is better than your ten and two,
or my ten and two is better than you're eleven
in one. I mean that's happening this year, Like is
Ole miss South Carolina and Alabama better in Indiana. I
think we all agree if you put them on neutral field,
people would bet if you made any of those three
SEC teams underdogs, the money would flow in on those
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teams against Indiana.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Something that kind of was an under RATIONE I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Do you agree now? And I understand Montana, cal Poly, whoever.
It's a big deal to play in Iowa, to play
an Oregon, to play a Stanford, you get paid. But
I think the world we're living in now with this
that has to end, which is sad because I think
it would be hard for those programs. That million dollar
check when Montana plays Oregon or cal Poly plays Stanford
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or UCLA is a pretty big deal for the athletic program.
But like it's twenty twenty five, it's not twenty ten anymore,
So we got to change.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I feel like you could do that week one or
maybe once in a while, or maybe every other year
you play FCS opponent. Like I remember when I was
at Montana, we played Oregon in twenty nineteen and then
we played Washington in twenty twenty two, so it was
kind of like a spread schedule thing. But I feel
like Mercer's always playing an FCS team or Ken State
from the MAC. They're playing like four or five Power
four teams in their first three weeks just to make
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more money for their program.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
But I think Saban, you know, would say, why do
you care if we played Mercer week eleven or week one?
What the hell's the difference? Yeah? Yeah, And I'd say, well,
I know why you're doing it, because you're trying to
basically give your guys a bye week game where they
get a little sweat on that you know as a
lock win into Auburn, into the SEC championship game, into
the playoffs where you don't want to do that week too,
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because it doesn't rely too much for you, right because
the next week you might have a real opponent. Next
week you got Arkansas. It's all of a sudden, you
just fucking cruise through and you don't you don't need
the energy. So I yeah, I mean, I mean a
lot of these programs. Hell, when I was at Fresno State,
we would open up against like three straight Wisconsin, Oregon, UCLA,
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and that that money that you would get paid to
go play those games, I mean probably paid for half
your programs. Right your page to softball, baseball, back, you know,
women's basketball, all these sports. I just think that you
can see the light at the end of the tunnel
that is going to end. It is gonna get morphed
into why are we spreading our money around to these
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other people than aren't our equals where we can all
just consolidate it together, like Notre Dame. You just play
Ohio State's, Penn State's, Iowa was Nebraska. You just stay
in that region South. This is why Clemson, Florida State
and these teams are gonna eventually migrate to the se
You just keep it all and then we all go
to the playoff together and maybe rotate throughout the season
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playing each other or one game or two games for
these non conference that included the Big Twelve and the
Big twelve, acc SEC and Big Ten, and just keep
all the money together.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Something that kind of went underrated last week Gus Malazon
leaving the UCF as a head coach to be the
offensive coordinator at for the State. We saw this last
year with Chim Kelly leaving UCLA to go be the
O Seattle Ohio State. Both team, both programs UCF UCLA
bad seasons kind of on the downhill? Is this moved
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by Gus Malason? Like we're we gonna see more of
this because of maybe just a new age of college
football where these older coaches are kind of, you know,
sitting in the tea leaves and saying, hey, my time's done.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
I want to be an OC, not do with the nil.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Like what do you make of a guy who was
a head coach at the university going on and being
the OC got a power for school?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I do think the money's changed. I didn't. I haven't
seen this contract, but I would guess minimum one and
a half million, maybe two million dollars a year. I mean,
Chip Kelly makes it a large amount of money to
be the offensive coordinator at Ohio State. Remember Dion, the
guy's not there anymore because Sherman's offensive coordinator when he
got hired at Colorado. I think Kent State's coach became
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his offensive coordinator. So it's like, how do you win
at these programs? That's the thing. Like, I think there's
a big difference of being at Montana or North Dakota
State or South Dakota State, where you can win you
got a specific kind of niche. But then there's that
middle ground of like what is Boise the next five years?
Once Gent's like they're not getting a gent again. They
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were lucky to keep him this year, So you can't
keep players that The turnover is the moment you get
multiple NFL guys that are freshman or sophomores. They just
leave and it's like, well, I can get a three
year contract for maybe take a little haircut. Maybe I'm
making three million dollars, I get paid one point eight
and I just get to coach football now. I also think,
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you know, he's fifty nine years old. Whens the last
time Gus was viewed? Is this a little chip kelly ish?
You know Gus was sweet a decade ago. Well it's
twenty twenty four. Is he still now? Florida State's pretty desperate.
You know, who's going to be their quarterback? Is their
offense going to be much more of the clap and
the you know, because Norvelle is an offensive guy, right,
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that's where he kind of cut his teeth of being
like an offensive play caller. And my buddy Derek Ray,
who I had on the podcast this offseason, who's the
GM somehow? You know I have him on I jinx
the program and they barely win a game. I remember
him telling me he's like, I think Norvel is one
of the best play callers I've ever been around, and
he spent a lot of time with Jonathan Smith at
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Oregon State. Like, so you're hiring gus to basically take
that off your plate. Maybe he thinks he needs to
run it. I think these type moves are when you
get desperate, and I think you look back at Ryan Day,
it's like he kind of felt some heat last year
after not beating Michigan. But like, I hired Norvelle higher
Ryan d I want that guy to call plays. I
said this about Sark, who I've been critical on over
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the years. I do respect that like his program, he
is the play caller. So he's a college version of
like Lafleur, Kyle or McVeigh. Like, yeah, I'm the boss,
but I also call the offense. That's why I got
the job. I just don't like younger coaches, like being
a CEO. Most CEOs in Fortune five hundred are I
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would imagine the average age is like over fifty five
sixty years old. I don't want my coach in this
fortiesh being the CEO like I want you to call
plays and be the leader. So I don't know. I mean,
I that to me is a little weird, and I
think that's you get pressure from boosters who maybe there's
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a booster that's tight with Gus that like forces is
on your hand, like there are a lot of cooks
in the kitchen with these college programs of people cutting
the checks.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
What'd you make of the flag planting this weekend and
every weekend? Because for me, I mean as a football fan,
I loved it. I'm obviously you don't call for all
the brawl at the end of the Ohio State Michigan game,
players getting pepper mazed, But I feel like at a
time with a transfer portal, when there's so many guys moving,
the fact that there's still hatred and rivalries today, I
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feel like as a football fan you got to be
flirt about.
Speaker 3 (59:19):
But I think the flag planting thing, the similization of it.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Baker Mayfield started it, but I never saw that many
in one day, And of course the NCAA is probably
going to put something out there. But what were your
thoughts about the whole flag planting saga this last weekend?
Speaker 1 (59:35):
If I gave you ten thousand dollars today and took
you to a field where there was turf mat of
grass field, a turf field. Do you think you could
get the flag to stick in the turf? A try?
My artists, no tools, you just you your hands and
the flag. I think it's impossible. No shot.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
The one the only one that did was Arizona State
because they've got that spark, So he just shoved it
in the ground and it's stuck in there.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
But so what was it? It was North Carolina, n
C State, Arizona. Arizona State obviously started the morning with
Ohio State Michigan. You know, in a day and age
where nil and everyone's freaking out about people being mercenaries
in college, you do like to see people care. Now,
it's basic human reaction if someone starts fucking with something
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that you view as yours, whether it's sports or not,
it's you know, someone started doing that to your front yard.
It's just a natural reaction. So of course you know
they're going to push back. I also think though, like
Arizona wasn't a final score like forty nine to seven,
you got destroyed.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I feel like you have permission to do that if
you beat a team forty nine to seven at their
place in Baker, Like Nick Bosa was talking about it
like up till last year, like it's something these guys
never forget that the flag when when people basically make
fun of you on your home field where I think
in a lot of you know, all rivalry week, Like
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is this happening on a random game?
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Probably not, because guys don't care enough. So I like
to see the passion. I'm I'm I'm for it. And
clearly they're gonna ban it and find guys and you know,
suspend guys, So it'll probably never happen again. But I
really enjoy watching brawls at the fifty yard line. You
have no clue what's going on. It's hard to even
figure out. I give Fox credit. I feel like a
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lot of times they change the channel or they go
back to the studio, they just kind of kept it
there and they just watched it. You're like, this is nuts,
And it was going on for a little while.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I was looking the city. I'm like, which players
are gonna fight for Ohio State? Like are they gonna
suspend these guys for throwing punches? Are they gonna kind
of let it go back and forth, but I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Should get ninety one that slammed a dude on Ohio
stategying around, slammed him. That's when the brawl really got
out of it. Like then it kind of got crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, that was That was awesome. My last question for you.
A great podcast today. Obviously a bunch of college football stuff.
It's being talked about because of the forty four forty
two Georgia win over Georgia Tech, the overtime rules, the
back and forth, two point conversion, sudden death after second overtime.
Are you a favorite of this because I know there's
a lot of complaining about how they should change it up,
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maybe like first and goal from the ten or even
back them up. I know Scott Van Pelt said back
them up to the fifty and make him just go
forward from there.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Are you not liking the overtime rules after that being
eight over times you kind of just like, I don't care,
Just play football.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I'll kind of see who gets creative.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I'm not bothered by quirky stuff. You know in baseball,
put the runner on second in the tenth inning during
the regular season all four no one wants to watch
a game, go to seventeen innings. I think you see
in hockey forever. I think they used to have ties.
Now they have shootouts, you know, to end regular season games.
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Don't quote me on that, not a huge hockey guy,
but I'm pretty sure that they've instituted that lately over
the last I don't know, five years. Is there a
right way to do this, like it right in the
NFL that both teams get a chance if you score
a touchdown in the playoffs but not in the regular season.
You know. Part of what makes it kind of cool
is like watching that game, you're like, are they exhausted,
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and then you realize, well, after a while, they're just
having one play on one playoff, so you kind of
get a legit break. Even the started at the twenty
five yard line, if they get a couple first downs
and they get to third down, like you could have
an extra what eight nine plays? So if you had
a couple back to back overtimes all of a sudden,
you know, or you know, overtime one, overtime two, that
could add up. Let's just say to like twelve thirteen
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plays where once I get to the third overtime, it's
it's basically five plays from overtime three to eight, So
I felt like they were pretty rested on each play,
which I'm I'm I'm cool. It doesn't bother me like
it does, you know, Scott freaking out. It feels like
a lot of college football people think, like this is
not football. You hear that from everybody. Yeah, I agree,
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But like, is starting at the twenty five yard line?
Like where'd they pick that? That's the red zones technically
the twenty you know, so it's just halfway between the
fifty and the goal line, Like how do they determine that?
Flip a coin? Like, yeah, it's kind of a good idea.
That's you could argue that's stupid. How come on the
second overtime you just randomly have to go for two
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because that's part of it, right, First overtime, do whatever
you want, kickfield goal. Second overtime, you score, you have
to go for two. Third, it's just two point conversions.
Like you could argue it's stupid at the second if
you don't like just the two point. It's all let's
just let's just figure out who can win the game.
And there's if you have sixty minutes to win the
game far and square, and if you can't, Yeah, sometimes
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quirky stuff happens. You see the there's in baseball, they
might just add a golden at bat or like at
any point during the game they're talking about this. In
Major League Baseball, you can just pick, like I want
one Soto to hit and the seventh inning bases loaded,
even though it's like my eighth hitter, I get a
golden at bat. The purests are gonna hate it. I
can already tell. I see him on social media like
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this is bs, this is not the sport. My reactions
to that type stuff as I get older, I kind
of like it. Why not. I think it's entertainment. This
entertainment that was I think extremely entertaining. Georgia Georgia Tech
that that ending. If they were just playing normal football,
you know, like I kick off, you kick off, we
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kick field goals, not even scoring touchdowns, it just goes
to over, it just keeps going, it would not have
been as entertaining. It just would not have I feel like,
it's like it's funny because as a play caller, I mean,
you've only got maybe a couple maybe four or five
two point plays and then it comes down to that
eighth overtime. It's like you're just drawing up something like, hey,
let's just draw up whatever we have in the bag.
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I think it's fun to see the creativity on both
sides then just to see who wants it more sudden
death one play, one play like Georgia Tech, Georgia got stopped.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Georgia Tech had the ball. He was like, oh my gosh,
it's Georgia gonna lose. And then they stop them, and
then it goes back and forth.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
So I think you're right. I think there's no real
I'm not really panicking.
Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I refuse to run the ball. You're at like the
you're not at the eight yard line. Just how George
ended up winning. They ran a run play. They would
not run the ball both teams. Is like they're running
their quarterback left and right. It's like, what are we doing?
Run a run play? Just call an off tackle run.
You just got a game whatever. Five feet it's not
that far. But they were only calling pass plays roll
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out one where it's like, guys, it's in the it's
in the end zone. So that feel's not that deep.
The moment they bite when you start going right there's
no room. You gotta hope you stop, and then guys
cut back. It was the same thing. It felt like
over and over where it's like just run the ball.
That's where I felt Kirby kind of drew the long.
I can imagine he got on, had to like call
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run play here in the eighth. He didn't even know.
At the end, he's like, what was that like nine overtimes?
They're like, no, it's eight. Because you're you're so in it.
Kirby is. Guy's a maniac. I mean he's on he's
halfway between the huddle in the sideline. I mean he
is on the field the entire overtime. I'm not even
talking about him running out and calling time out every time,
which I don't play that. Why would you not? But
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he he literally watched the game from it felt like
I don't know the thirty or the thirty yard line
where it says three zero. He just stands there. I mean,
and they called a sideline whatever in fraction on them.
They got penal lives. I don't even think he moved.
They tried to bring him back. He just stood there.
Guy's a fucking lunatic, which I like, I mean I'm
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pro Kirby being a lunatic.
Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
You imagine being the ref, the main ref saying hey,
can you can you push Kirby to the side he's
on the field.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I'd be like, oh, I don't think. I don't think
I'm gonna tell him. I don't think I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Good try there, Well, Jackson, I uh, how's how's the
new place? You got any girlfriends down there? And in Asale?
Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yet no girlfriends?
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
But when I did pull up though, that's when I knew, Like,
that's what I knew when God told me that I
was supposed to be here. Was when I rolled in
first move trying to get all this stuff here, saw
three smoke and blonde is on my way up here, I.
Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Said, yep, this is where I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Well, it's an equivalent of like, you know, when someone
takes like the Florida job or the USC job. It's
in prime recruiting spot, you know, southern California or Miami
Dade County or wherever. I would say old town Scottsdale
is uh. I just I'd go for walks a lot
if I were you. If I don't have any much
going on I would just I would just go for walks.
Maria called that the circle of Death, which is, you know,
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the clubs and stuff down there in that in that area.
I'm not a big club guy, but you can find
whatever you're looking for down there. Bro. So I updated, Yeah,
I definitely will keep me updated. Okay, Jackson, I will
see you next week when we've got a good idea
what's going on the volume