3 & Out - Kauff on Campus - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Okay, now that we've wrapped up all the
college games, I thought I would I would call my

(00:21):
guy out of the bullpen. Haven't talked to him in
a minute. I saw that he was in Glendale at
the Penn State Boise State game. My Mountain West squad.
You know, they're gritty game. Was they hung tough? We'll
dive into that obviously. Notre Dame literally just one. I
think it's fair to say, one of the biggest wins

(00:43):
in a long long time for that program. And now
they play because of the game being pushed back in
less than a week. So today is gonna be mainly
college football. We'll have a I talked to Stucky. We'll
have that video come out on Saturday talking about all
the NFL games, which is, you know, some of these
games it's hard to who the hell knows who's playing,

(01:04):
but there are a couple of games that really matter.
So we got a gamble on a little bit actually
kind of like I mean, I talked to Stucky about
it and I looked at it again. After Notre Dame,
which is somehow favored against Penn State, you can get
Penn State right now to win the Natty so basically like,
can they beat Ohio State at almost five to one?
It was five to one earlier in the day. It

(01:25):
was plus four seventy five when I just checked. Somehow,
I still don't understand how they're an underdog to Notre Dame.
They get extra rest. But we'll have a week to
take that all in. We got a lot of big
football because these two games are Thursday and Friday. Then
the NFL playoffs are Saturday, Sunday and Monday. We got
coaches getting fired next week, so we got a lot
going on. But before we dive into Jackson and talk

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Let's dive in to our favorite Montana Grizzly and a
die hard Notre Dame fighting Irish fan. He's young, so
I mean, while you haven't won a Natty, I would
say most of your adult life with Brian Kelly through

(02:50):
Marcus Freeman is it's been pretty good. If I had
pretty good teams, a lot of good NFL players, But
you finally won a game that a lot of people
watched that let's face it, most people thought you would
end up losing somehow, some way, and even early on
in this game, it's like, ah, I don't know, and
then that sack happened, the touchdown happened, then they came

(03:10):
and return the kick, and then I would say the
game kind of ended right there. But congratulations Jackson, Congratulations.
It's gotta feel good.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'm fired up, man. You know this is the same team.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
And I know people always talk about the NIU loss,
but you got to give a lot of credit to
Marcus Freeman.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't know a lot of coaches out there that
can get their quarterback in check. And they've come out
with on Peacock, Here comes the Iris like a documentary,
hard knock style, and they kind of went in on
Riley Leonard and you know him looking at his phone,
looking at Twitter and all this social media stuff, which
a lot of quarterbacks are eliminating during the season, and
for him to turn around and for them to go
towards their strengths and you could argue a better Georgia

(03:48):
with Gunner Stockton's It's an impressive win for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
He like looked at Twitter to see people talking crap
about him, basically, I think.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So, I mean it's tough like when you're I mean
social media nowadays, you know too, it gets everywhere, whether
you want to see it on Instagram or Twitter or wherever.
You know you're gonna have it in front of you.
So but yeah, no, that when you texted me, I
think at like five point thirty when they're driving and
it was like a long third down or whatever, and
you're like, I think you got this might be your knight.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
And I just telling Zero, I text you I think
it was. Was it twenty to ten? No, maybe it
was twenty to three, and Gunner stocked in unleashes one
to eighty six, and all of a sudden, the ball's
in the air and he's wide open, and you're like,
oh my god, I don't know if he's gonna score.
The dB might have caught him, but he would have
been inside the ten. It would have been a sixty

(04:37):
yard chunk play and it I mean I could have
looked as bad as that. I mean it was pretty bad, right.
He almost tripped, hits off his like shoulder hands, never
even clutches it, and you're like, it's your night. Then ironically,
like and this is why you're like shut up. Three
pays later, they hit a touch they hit a huge
play for a touchdown. All of a sudden, it's twenty

(05:00):
to ten. You look up, there's like seven minutes to go.
But I do think this game because Gunnar Stockton was
letting it loose. I mean there was a play early
in the game where he hits a bomb to what
they said the fastest guy in college football. I mean,
I don't know how we're in smith, I don't know
how we validate that, but I'm sure he's one of them,
and clearly one of the red shirt kids runs out celebrating.

(05:24):
When I was at Fresno State, I think we were
playing Wisconsin. It was either Wisconsin or Illinois. It was
a one of our big non conference games that almost
happened to me on like a pick six or a
huge play that we scored on. And I remember running
down and the referees comeing, sprinting or backpedaling or however
it happened, and I missed him by a quarter of

(05:46):
an inch, and I remember thinking if I would have
fucking taken him out and it would have negated the
touchdown and I probably would have got fired on the field.
And luckily that kid. There were so many guys I
was isolated. It was just me. Kirby couldn't even probably
tell who it was, and they all kind of, you know,
jump back. That was a pretty devastating penalty for them,
and then they just never really got anything going on offense,

(06:08):
and obviously the end of the half happens, and that
when that end of the half, when they get the
fumble and then they immediately score, that was to me
a huge swing before even the kickoff return. You had
to feel extremely good going in halftime after that play.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, even for Riley Leonard to throw it on an
RPO and it's so funny with him. You're always on
edge as a Notre name fan. Whether he throws the
ball deep. You just hope that he doesn't, you know,
throw an interception on that play too. He's got so
much room in front of him, in front of both Collins,
but he just wants to put it right on him,
make it a little tough catch for Collins.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And you're right.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean they scored ten points in eleven seconds, and
I mean it just completely changed that game. And then
you go back to it the you bring in a
transfer from Marshall. We talk all the time about these
group of five guys.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
That kickoff return felt like the nail in the coffin
early against Georgia, they basically scored seventeen points in thirty
seconds of actual gameplay. I mean that's you know, for
a team with a backup quarterback who actually some plays
he would look terrible, but then he would make some
really nice plays. I mean he made some. The throw
out that eighty six dropped was a really nice pass.

(07:14):
The bomb that the thirty nine ran into the referee
was a beautiful play. The touchdown passed after eighty six
drop Like, he made some explosive plays. I mean, listen,
your guy threw for eighty eight yards, so your your
passing game. You know for this team, that was really impressive.
A wins win, but like, can they win the National Championship? Now? Listen, Georgia,

(07:35):
probably all eleven of their guys are gonna play in
the NFL. On defense, several of them are gonna get
drafted really really high. So it's it's a hard defense
to play against. Uh, you know, love tweaks his knee.
That's a little scary big picture. It's one thing Chip
Kelly mentioned. I think I saw him say like a
week ago, like if if you were talking about who's
gonna win the National Championship and you're not talking about like, well,

(07:56):
it's impossible to know who's gonna get injured throughout all
these extra games, and you don't you see you guys
already lost a defensive lineman. Love's already been hurt. Now
what's like, is that an that's not an ankle, Like
that's a knee. He did exprain his knee. That's a
big deal playing Penn State. But that's not to look
ahead yet. But ultimately, you know, Marcus Freeman looks really

(08:18):
quick that first year when he lost to Marshall, and
maybe it's unfair, but he did inherit a pretty really
good situation and that loss was really really bad, and
early on in that season it was really really ugly,
and I honestly thought him like, I don't know if
he's gonna make it through a year because like losing
these games, you lose a Marshall at home, and then
it looked like he was gonna lose a Cal at home.

(08:41):
Then he righted the ship and he clearly proved that
he could recruit really really well right and these last
couple of years the team has been really good. And
last year, like Sam Hartman was solid that this guy
is just a more dynamic overall player because of his legs.
But defensively, I mean, that's what put Marcus Freemant on
the map right at Cincinnati It's why Brian Kelly hires
him to Notre Dame. I mean that that defense is

(09:02):
hitting a lot like Georgia Texas. What Ohio State has
looked like these last couple of weeks, what the best
SEC teams have looked like the last three or four years. Like,
if you hit with that much speed, you are gonna
be in every game, even if you don't have you know,
Joe Montana back there slinging around, And.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
It felt like two they're a lot well coached for
how young they are compared to Georgia. Out in space,
it felt like anytime they had some kind of you know,
outside zone or screen on the outside, you had about
three or four gold Domes. I mean number eight Don Schultz,
he's a sophomore. That kid's a player alongside Xavier Watts,
those two safeties on the back end, and then Notre
Dame's always had one of those older captain linebackers that

(09:43):
kind of stout in the middle of the defense. And
then you're right about the D line and you know
your guy, Brian Young I mean or Bryce Young I
should say, looked a little rusty there at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Those three penalties.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Or twice those looked like roughing both times which they
were running in the kicker, it looked like he.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hit both of his legs each time. But I mean,
I was just impressed. Man.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I know it's not attractive with Riley Leonard, you know,
fifteen to twenty four ninety yards one touchdown, but he
played with That's the way we're gonna play with his
running ability.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I know Colin Cowerd talked about it.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
He kind of reminds him Josh Allen when it comes
to that grit and toughness. And I think for a
guy they've always been wanting to feed like Riley Leonard,
and they've always wanted him and for him to go
out like that and be the leading rusher with eighty yards,
I mean, how many times in the broadcast Haines King,
Haines King, Georgia Tech. And it's just crazy. How I
want to hear your thoughts about it. How Georgia can't
stop a quarterback versus being able to stop the running backs.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, I think because you got to pick and choose
your poison. I think I'm trying to think of the game.
Was it Pittsburgh. It was the second game that Pittsburgh
played the Ravens and this was was Christmas or maybe
this was the week before Christmas or you know, four
days before Christmas or whatever, and Derreck Henry went nuts.

(11:02):
And it's because they're like, you're the Lamar is not
gonna beat us. So on any time when you're gonna
have like the the RPO or the option of quarterback,
running back the give, you're gonna take out one or
the other. It's really hard to like play elite sound
football and take them both out, Like you really got
to sell out on one. And the Steelers, for example,

(11:23):
sell out on the quarterback. And in that game, Derrick
Henry went nuts. And tonight it was like those two
running backs. I mean, looking back on Indiana, Love's run
was obviously open the gate and you know, was a
start in the end of Indiana. It's like, we're not
gonna let these running backs get off. We're not gonna
let them have big plays and he can just kind

(11:44):
of run around. Now they also have designed runs for
Riley Leonard, you know, like they used to have them
with cam at Carolina, like the quarterback power that one.
I don't think it was technically the last first down
for Notre Dame, but essentially was the like nail in
the coffin of the game where he leaped over and
the sideline just went nuts. Like there's when you get

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a guy that big in space, that's where you have
the Cam Newton, Josh Allen, you know Lamar for example,
his speed is so elite, but he's not you know,
running through guys, running over guys. He's just beating you
to the spot. The Josh Allen's and Cams, I mean,
Cam is fast, but they can take you out. So
if you're in front of them, especially if you get
to the edges with a quarterback that big, it is

(12:27):
not the middle linebacker in the defensive ends, right, it's
safeties and corners. And even on the broadcast, McElroy's like,
that's one of the best safeties in the country, and
what's he gonna do. He's like catching him in the air.
And how tall is Riley Leonard? Like sixty five sixty
six probably twoint forty. He's huge, yeah, yeah, and he's
leaping full speed. But that's how like he made some

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of those against A and M And you know on
Penn State is essentially a Georgia Texas, like they're all
they're all the same in terms of SEC bodies NFL bodies,
and this guy can run over them. It's like, are
they good enough passing against them? You know, Georgia, sometimes
you need luck on your side. Like I would say

(13:09):
they got a little unlucky with some of their big
plays tonight with their backup quarterback in who hit some
big plays just didn't work out in their favor. But yeah,
I mean it was your guys. Defense is one thing
I think that is different than some of Brian Kelly's
best teams. Like, you guys have had really good players
on defense, guys have played in the NFL. Obviously, Kyle

(13:30):
Hamilton would fit right in on this team. But like
you go back to Mantiteo, he didn't look like you
guys look right now. Like the speed in Watts moves,
it looks like a guy at Alabama, Georgia or Texas,
doesn't it. Like the sideline the sideline, and that's what
you have to have to beat. You're playing Penn State,
Like they got two NFL running backs in an NFL
tight end, so that's where they're gonna win the game.

(13:51):
So you got to be able to get really fast
in a short period. You need to have Fred Warren
or Patrick Willis, Luke Keigley got some speed and that's
why the SEC has always separated. Well, Texas has come in,
they've bought it, Notre Dame has bought it or recruited
it or whatever. I don't know. You guys have some
academic requirements. But I just watched you guys play and
team speed because A and M is a bot you

(14:14):
know NFL program, and you guys went toe to toe
with them speed wise. So it's like defensively speed wise,
I think you can play with anyone in the country right,
just offensively. You just have to get into a game
like your style is gonna be. You're not gonna play
like the Detroit Lions. You's got to play and kind
of an ugly can we win the game like twenty
to fifteen?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right? Yeah? And the different weapons they have too.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
You got a Mitchell Evans that you just throw it
anywhere in his space will catch it. And Feijan's been
doing well in the slot at wide receiver. And then
on top of that, I was gonna ask you about this,
would you make a Marcus Freeman's little special teams? Bring
on the punt team take them off, bring on the
offense and Jalen Walker and Mikel Williams jumping there met.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Before pretty exactly that a first time you've seen him
do something like.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think that's the first time I've seen that from
Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I saw some one on Twitter, like a former player
or say, what Kirby should have done. You don't have
to rush your subs in because they gotta give you time.
He should have just slowly kind of gone, you know.
He rushed them all in like Marcus did and basically
played right into his hand. So then they rushed up
to line their hearts beating. That's part of it, right,
It's like it's so easy to go, they're morons. That

(15:21):
is an elite coaching job because if he is gonna
rush his guys on when you don't have to, there's
twelve seconds on the clock or whatever, you're gonna get
up to the line, your heart's gonna be beating instead
of just letting the play slowly. And it's a huge
advantage because were they gonna snap the ball, you think.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
No, no shot, No. Their wide receivers were so out
wide too.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Like I was looking at that play and I told
my friend this too. It's just crazy. I never thought
when was the last time you saw Kirby smart, get
out smarted with the situation like that, which he's not
special teams, is more of a defensive guy. But still
it's like that one of those things where then you
wonder if he had three timeouts, would he have called one?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Would he just let it be like that play? Pretty much?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was like Belichick or you know, Vrabel got Belichick
one time on this punt situation in a playoff game.
Belichick lost it where he's like holding guys.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
One thing I'll give Mark Freeman a lot of credit
is if like Al Goldenser defensive coordinator. That's a pretty
high level defensive coordinator. I mean, this is a guy
that was a head coach at Miami in Temple, I mean,
and was viewed as one of the better assistants before
those days. So like their defense. How many times the
night did he There was one play like a fourth

(16:33):
and five and he called the perfect blitz. It reminded
me like Steve Spagnoli Spagnola at Kansas City and Gunner
was getting lit up right as he just had to
like throw it up and the guy caught it, but
he was like two yards short. But in fairness, the
quarterback had no shot. I mean they the guy came
right at the right time, and you could tell Golden
was so fired up he just went right to the
bench to meet the dudes. It was like, well, that's
a good call. I mean, that's that's a really you know,

(16:56):
for a younger coach. He's thirty eight years old and
he was obviously, you know, high level defensive guide. But
to bring in a guy for it's not like they
you know, Al gold to Penn State guy. He's Ohio
State guy, so it's not like they ever played together.
They're different ages. But however that marriage worked out. Hiring him,
that's a big time hire because it's some young guys,

(17:17):
you know, like is Lincoln Riley hiring Al Golden? You know,
I don't know, so like I.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Get coming in, Yeah, Mike Denbrock coaching Jayden Daniels last
year at LSU.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Maybe got tired of Brian Kelly. He comes in. Those
are two guys.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Where you know, you compare it to the NFL with
the Chiefs and having Steve Bagnolo and the guys that
just maybe aren't going to be head coaches that want
to be coordinators at a big time university given them money.
So I mean that I want to win. Hopefully flips
the narrative. I think it does Notre Dame can't win
the big one. My last thing I was going to
say on this too is for Mitch Jeter, their kicker.

(17:52):
I mean, they have to have the worst field goal
kicking in the country him dealing with a groin injury
since week two. They have a long time off because
they didn't play since the SIM twenty. I mean three
for three and those are big kicks. And you think
about yesterday with Texas and how many kicks they missed,
and I mean for that that too was so big
for their momentum and just get points.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean, I that was cool. I mean it's
always cool when you see the family and stuff in
the and they go to them. But you know, yesterday
with Texas, I didn't realize this, but I saw McAfee
was talking with Saban and how Sark went out at
the end of the game and it was like talking.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
With the kid.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, It's like, bro, he just leave the kickers alone. Man,
the kickers. It's a weird scenario.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I think.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's a cool moment and like, you beat Georgia, that's
a huge win for Marcus Freeman. I mean it'll be hard.
Like even if he were to beat Penn State, you
would say, like beating Penn State's a really really big deal,
but beating George just looks better on the resume. And
Kirby's won multiple national championships. You could argue, you know,
I know, shit, I'm almost putting money on James to
win the national championship. But you could argue he's won

(18:55):
two games and no one really even thinks he still
won a big game because of two games he won,
SMU you in Boise stayed. He's a pretty big favorite.
But there is pressure now on Notre Dame. I don't
quite understand this, maybe because they're kind of similar teams,
but they are favored in that game, so there is
just gonna be pressure. You know, this is just a
pretty unreal opportunity kind of you know, with the terrorist

(19:18):
attack and everything, the game gets moved back, so you
lose a day. Now you're just on a regular week schedule.
They clearly can't move the games Thursday and Friday. Like,
because I was like why don't they just flip flopp them.
But it's it's clearly set in stone way before the
season even starts, so that game was set to play Thursday,
so they ain't changing it.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'm a little concerned for Notre Dames defense against Tyler Warren.
I felt like the tight ends too. If Gunner stocked
in on that fourth and what was it, fourth and two,
fourth and three? Have the backup tight end, which I
don't understand why Delp wasn't playing. If he keeps running,
I think he catches that football. They score, and they
had a bunch of inside routes to Delp and their
tight ends. Tyler Warren is one of those guys. I

(19:58):
feel like I'm a little concerned that Notre Dame won't
be able to bundle them with their linebackers.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah he uh, he looks sweet. I mean you were,
you were at that game. The one thing that's cool
about this Final four is you just get four rosters
that are just full of NFL bodies and that if
you just went to a sideline, you just would go
Holy moly. Because I was watching the SEC network clips
on what day or I don't even know what day

(20:22):
it is, so it would have been Wednesday morning, and
the SEC network is, you know, at the game against
Texas and Arizona State, and they're like, you know, if
you just and this is like an hour before when
warmups are going on in the back and they're like,
if you just look at warmups, you go like, I
don't know how fair this game is going to be.
And I would imagine, I mean, you were on the
sideline for Boise. Penn State, like Boise does not look

(20:46):
like Penn State physically coming out of the coming out now.
In fairness, they never really have for twenty five years
and have been averaging ten plus wins, but it is
pretty hard to overcome. I mean, Penn State is truly
like a top five roster in the in college football,
and I do think that they are. They're playing really
really well. I mean, if Carter can get healthy, they

(21:06):
definitely have. And their quarterback is he's not playing in
the cold anymore. I mean, he's gonna look a lot
better in a situation in these controlled environments because he
does throw the ball better than Riley Leonard, right Like
he's yeah, he's not. He's actually a pretty overrated athlete.
Turns out like when I see him move around, it's like,
just stay in the pocket. But he can throw the
ball a lot better than Riley and know obviously Riley

(21:27):
can run it. If you can combine the two of them,
you probably haven't number one overall pick.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean both those throws he had to warn were
pretty tight, had to get over the defender, pretty sweet,
like you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
And it's cool too.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
We always him returning is is gonna be really cool
for college football and for himself too, because you always
forget like this is first year in a new system,
like the first year in a new system, him being
able to I know. I talked to the offensive coordinator
too from Penn State, and he Kolon Neck. He said
in one of the biggest traits is he knows what
everything's going on, so many shifts in motions and he's
got it dialt And it's pretty cool to see him

(21:58):
engage in the game, yelling at the refs and the
want from him.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think it's something that.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
How big you mention how big is he when he
just walks by.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Huge, huge Warren. Warren's massive.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
He's kind of a quiet guy too, which I guess
you kind of get, you know, the long hair him.
Give me one of those tougher guys that just wants
to play football. But those two and an Abduen Carter,
you look at him, it's like that dude, That dude's
the top five pick and hopefully he can get back.
I think he's one of those guys that will gruele
out an injury just to play. But then you think
Penn State. It's like the National Championship the week after.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I wonder how him against You know, I guess the
outside game with Notre Dame will fare out if he
does player doesn't play.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, I mean I know you said, what's the name
come back? I would say this. There is some buzz
in the NFL circles. I mean, it's just going pretty
well for Drew Aller. If Drew Aller has another like
if he throws three touchdowns against Notre Dame and wins,
there could start being some momentum. Like, Bro, you're like
a top ten pick lock right now. Why couldn't he
just why couldn't he be the number one overall pick?

(23:02):
I'm serious. I mean, it's just like there was a
lot of hype last year was a disaster, gets a
real coordinator, new offense, and by the second half of
the year, definitely the end stretch of the year, going
from Oregon to as we move on, I think he's
made himself a lot of money. You'd have to entertain it. Now.
Penn State's paying him to come back. But if you
could be a really really high pick, like you're telling me,

(23:22):
the Titans or the Raiders, some of these teams would
pass on that guy. I'm I'm actually really really impressed.
I just always heard from my Penn State buddies that
he was like a much better athlete, Like, do you
think he moves around that well?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I think he moves up when he's going forward, not laterally,
if that makes sense. I think with him, when the
pocket collapses around him, he's gonna step up and run
for a couple of five six yards, But he's he's
not laterally as fast as I thought. No, it's the
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Speaker 3 (25:32):
I texted you this photo over the weekend with Jalen Milroe,
the UFL Jersey.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
What do you make of him? I'm just I'm surprised,
he declared.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
But I guess it's one of those things where you
just you transfer, you hope you go somewhere else, or
you hit the draft.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I do think when you it's easier to transfer, you know,
when you're at kind of a random school, not even
a random school, but when you see like this guy
used to play at Arizona State, like when they were bad,
right or whatever, and now he's at Texas or Penn
State or wherever, it's like, I totally this guy was
at Washington State and now he's at Alabama or Oklahoma.

(26:10):
It's like, oh, I would have done that too. If
you're at Alabama for two years and you've been a
starting quarterback at Alabama and it's like, Okay, I go
to the transfer portal, like what are my options? You know,
like where am I actually going? And you start to
might look at your list. You're like, oh, just I'm
just gonna go to the draft, Like I'm not. I'm
not transferring no way, like at least quinn yours. And

(26:31):
we'll see how that plays out. If Quinn Ewers were
to transfer. I do think he would have better options
than Jalen Milroe. I think Jalen Milroe. I don't know
if he's been injured. I didn't watch that whole game,
but I did watch the first half of Michigan. It
was really, really bad. And you're watching these other quarterbacks,
you know, like Drew Aller is a good example, Like
Jalen was playing better than him, felt like, you know,

(26:54):
twelve months ago and now you're looking at him. It
feels like they're playing two different sports. And part of it,
you know, like you've been around see these guys that
sure you play with the NFL guys in Montana, like
you got to keep getting better. Like the moment you
start going backward, you know it's a it's a problem.
And at quarterback it's so far under the magnified you
like you can't really hide. Like if you're a running back,
you can be in a rotation. You could have a

(27:14):
bad month, or you know, a defensive end you kind
of blend in not getting pressure, your quarterbacks start playing bad.
It's like the whole offense sputters. Yeah, it's just I
think he I understand why he went pro because I
couldn't transfer. If you've been at Alabama, it's like it's
like if you start living in a penthouse, it'd be
hard to move to some you know, to the bottom

(27:37):
of the floor, right, I mean, it's just you're you're
living pretty well. I mean, he's been coached by Saban
and Deboor. I just think that, what the hell go pro? Now?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I had he just stock, I'd be shocked if he
fits round pick or something. Such a fall off from
all these guys this year. I mean, you look at
Carson back, Quinn, viewers, jel Moro. At one point, I
think jaale Mero is projected to go to the ain'ts
in the top ten. It's like, now you look at
it and you're right about this year's class. With Ward
and Shanor, it's like, well, it's I know they're both talented,

(28:07):
but are they are they over hyped by the media
and stuff. Like there's some areas that you see on
both both Ward and chanor that you're like, I don't
know if I really want that as a Giants getting
one of those guys in. Do you feel that confident
you're a Giants GM looking at those two or do
you kind of I mean, I don't even if I'm
a Giants GM. I don't even know if I'm gonna
have my office in about five days. But do you

(28:28):
keep keep you locking out of the year, Like, I mean, no,
I think Drew locked. Yeah, they should have been starting
him for a lot longer when they went to the veto.
How about the contraption on what's his name's arm today
on the sideline? Like clearly Carson Beck had pretty serious
elbow surgery. So it's like, is his next year in doubt?
Even if it's you know, maybe he'll be ready for

(28:49):
training camp. His draft stock had already taken a huge hit. Now,
I I I don't see how he goes any earlier
like the fifth, sixth, seventh round, major elbow injury after
the season he just had, and then Gunner came in
and I would say, I don't think it made Carson
look like better. It's like, oh, see what you could

(29:10):
like he was slinging around get the ball to some guys.
Uh looked a little rusty for a guy making his
I guess taking his first.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Ever start, first ever.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, So it's like I don't think that now college
is weird because you know, high end teams and even
save And said, like, this guy was a pretty high
level recruit. It's not like you're back up at some
of these programs. Even though that maybe the average fan
hasn't heard of him, like all the coaches have, like
Gunner Stocked and I don't know exactly if he's going
to be this quarterback for Georgia next year, but if he,

(29:38):
let's say win in the transfer port of tomorrow, Gunner
Stockton would have options immediately. Like when Carson back, my
team would like a top ten team, Like would notre
Dame call Carson back. I'm saying Kav was healthy. I
you know, I think a lot of teams like wouldn't
even be that interested given like how he his ego is,
how much money he'd want Quinn yours. I'm not the

(30:01):
biggest fan, but I would rather have yours than Carson
back if they were both healthy. Now, Carson's arms work,
so it doesn't even matter. How shocked were you that
you Weres made that throw on fourth and thirteen. I
thought of you right when he threw it. I was like, well,
you know, he's not good with pressure. They're gonna bring
a ton of pressure.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
And then him to check out of that and the
protection on them I think they brought six guys was
spot on by him. I didn't think he had that
in him, and for him to do that was was
you gotta tip the cap.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
A little bit for you.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
You think they called like a double move because he
looked like he was running out at the sticks and
then he went forward. That's a pretty garby post. That's
a pretty ballsy call because you're basically playing for the
touchdown thinking they will bite at the sticks. It's like
it worked, and it was. It's all credit to Sarka
and the boys, But like, what if it doesn't work,
what if the pressure gets there he runs off the spot.

(30:53):
I think that's you're basically playing for the end zone
shot and nothing else on that and it worked because
the guy bit and listen, I mean, if you're that dB,
you gotta play the sticks on that spot right fourth
and thirteen because if they go through to the sticks
and you tackle him at the eleven or twelve yard line,
you hold him. It'st You're a legendary individual in the
history of the program, So it's hard for me to

(31:14):
blame the dB. Maybe that speaks to why it's such
a great call. But part of that call is like
you got to make sure the protection is there because
he's got to have a little time and they obviously
blocked it up and he made a great heat. He
makes great passes. I mean the game opened up in
a blink of an eye they score a touchdown. Like
he he has a nice arm. He just makes some
bad decisions, throws some bad picks, sometimes leaves like sometimes

(31:36):
he makes the right decision, but he puts too much
air under a ball. The ball that was picked did,
I think ended up leading to a touchdown, which I'm
glad they didn't call it targeting on when when the
other dB took the guy out and luckily turned his shoulder.
But I think Sark gets kind of gun shy with
him where it's like, look at Boise and Asu with
their running backs. They just go down swinging with their guys, right,

(32:00):
just go down with the guys where it's like Sarks like,
how do we kind of get around this? And they
try to and the problem.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Is they can't run the ball, so they just they're
kind of screwed their running games so up and down.
You mentioned that too, And that was one thing with
Marcus Freeman in the first quarter. They interviewed him, they said.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hey, you know, what's what are you gonna continue to do?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
He said, hey, you know, Jeremiah Love is not getting anything,
Price doesn't get anything, but we're gonna commit to the.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Run because that's what we want to do. It felt
like Texas even up sixteen.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was like first, first and ten, they got one
yard and it was immediately all right, let's.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Throw the ball, let's get it out there. I just
what do you make of what's the identity of this team.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Is just we're just Texas is gonna come out and
win barely and run the ball one week and throw
the ball the next week. Like it just seems like
you're right, the trust is not there with with Sark
and his quarterback or his offense.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, it was weird about that game is in basically
a two series, they score immediately, then they take the
punch to the house. And you're like they might win
this game, like they might really embarrass Kenny Dillingham here,
and then all of a sudden, they just kind of
nothing happened for a long period time, and it's like
the end of the half, it's seventeen to three. You're like,
how is this humanly possible? And I saw someone put

(33:06):
out the drive chart. It's like what happened? But that
happens to them a lot where it's like you gonna
watch one drive they look like Ohio State, like, oh my,
look at that guy move, look at that throat, look
at that the pancake blocked by the guard. You're like, geez, Louise.
And then they just have a quarter stretch where they
just look like an awful football team on offense. Their
defense always looks good. Their defense is good. It's why

(33:29):
Cam Skataboo impressed many people. Like he's running over NFL
players right. Their defense is good. Now, their secondary, I think,
is a little question right like the place Skataboo just
kind of throw up the prayer like that's the Clemson
was hitting big plays on them. They got hit hit
big plays, like that's even Asu hit some big plays.

(33:49):
That's the one area, like their front seven is really
really dominant, like Penn State, like Georgia, like Notre Dame.
This is their secondary, I would say, can be just
a little hit or miss, at least in the playoffs
so far, which is scary. Against Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
It's crazy that that's half.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
You mentioned Scatta ball on their longest play being that
running back wheel for him to get out there, and
it's gotta catching that football too.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
But yeah, it's a mismatch for Texas. And that's one
thing too.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I felt like their secondary has been fine until the
playoff hit when Kate Clebnick started dealing it and then
you kind of sit back and you're like, well, they
got the Throp Award winner, They've got some good dbs.
But I feel like teams have found ways, like you mentioned,
to expose this Texas defense.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
It wasn't good last year, right, That's why that was
their downfall against Washington. Their secondary was bad mainly all
season despite being a Final four team, clearly was better
this year. I think a lot of that front four,
and really the front seven is pretty dominant, but it
feels like it gets just a little weird right now
these last two games. And like you know everyone was

(34:52):
being critical. You get tight in these players you're talking
about eighteen nineteen twenty year olds. Scata Booth made some
incredible plays. The double pass a little. I saw Scata
whose it was supposed to be Philly special. He's gonna
throw it back to the quarterback. But either they I
don't know if they covered him or he kind of
got gun shy, he said.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
He said he rolled his ankle the play before to
love it. He said, yeah, don't, don't throw it to me.
And on that too, he kind of tripped, okay, and
under throw.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
He said.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
He looked up he saw one on one he said,
I'm okay, screw it. And that's why so they But
that's what you have to do in a game like
that when you're asu and you do start getting little momentum.
That was a classic boise you know, for in the
Chris Peter Sceonara, you gotta have some trick plays. That's
why I thought Boise State like they just kind of
ran a traditional offense against Penn State. It's like you

(35:38):
got to pull out some some tricks against a team
that has better talent. Like hell, Penn State was running
like double passes with Tyler Warren and you're thinking, like,
why are you doing this? Just run normal plays? Why
isn't Boise trying that? That's why I give props to
Dillingham and Asu for kind of pulling some of those
plays when the ball was in the air. You're like,
what is he doing? And then the guy you know

(35:58):
that they benefited from it. But but I thought these
these four games were just really really entertaining. And the
amount of just star players, you know, I think this
is where college football is really taking a huge step.
When I was a kid, college basketball used to have
this too, But you know, it doesn't it's not the
same anymore. Like so many of these guys are playing
in the NFL. Like, think about even the two big

(36:21):
underdogs that lost Asu and Boise. I mean, they have
two star running backs. I mean genti is, I mean
an all time running back name that's gonna be on
the list forever. In Skataboo became like a Colt hero.
I mean, when do you ever see a white running
back who like kind of gained some momentum throughout the seasons, like, oh,
this guy's kind of fun. This guy's kind of fun.
By the end, everyone even like NFL guys Like, Jesus,

(36:41):
this guy's incredible. You know, I think did Skataboo earn
more street cred just in terms of like, is this
guy a real NFL player or jesus a good college player?
That game all the other games combined this season, because
it's like, listen, you can run for whatever against West
Virginia or who you're playing in the Big twelve, and

(37:02):
even early on in that game, like this is a
different animal. You know, this is a different animal. In
fairness is offensive line couldn't block those guys. And then
it was just like this guy and clearly he had
like the flu or sick or something. He's puking on
the sideline and he just starts trucking guys, making guys miss,
making plays. And then you see his stats at the
end of the game, like one hundred and twenty yards rushing,

(37:23):
eighty nine yards passing, he had a passing touchdown. It's like,
what a performance by the kid, What a legend that was?
Zero stars went to sax State, ends up there and
caps that effort off and honestly, I mean they fourth
and thirteen to beat Texas is one of those when
I'm looking up I'm like, this is almost too good
to be Jais she was really gonna pull this off,

(37:43):
But then you're looking at like fourth and thirteen and
what's the likelihood of that hitting ten percent? Fifteen percent?
Especially late in the game.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
This was one receiver in one receiver Matthew Golden. The
whole time I'm watching, I'm like everyone's talking about on
college game day the emergence of Isaiah Bond, Like, oh,
him coming back a big plus for the offense. He
didn't get one only on one target was the one
where he.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Got blown up on the targeting.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
It's weird. I don't know what's going on with him.
Is a you wers thing? Is he still banged up?
Like he played some snaps and he was even on
a one on one matchup. It wasn't even look towards
his way. This is the guy that was supposed to
be a potential first round pick, maybe even second round pick,
and it's like, you now you're going to guys Golden
more some of those younger dudes. It's kind of weird
just seeing him the last because Miami or not Miami

(38:29):
Michigan game he went off and after that, it's been really.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Quiet for him. What I think is gonna be interesting
is like big picture, Texas is always going to be good.
Now with the nil air, they're going to dominate. Yeah,
Ohio States are going to dominate, Penn State's gonna dominate.
You guys are going to dominate. Like these teams are
not going anywhere. ASU caught lighting in a bottle a
little bit this year with Skataboo, who kind of fell
into their lap right just Sex State. No one wanted them.

(38:54):
The likelihood of that happening over and over is pretty slim.
Now he does gain momentum because they're on national television,
maybe they get some better recruits, but it is gonna
be very difficult. And I'm thinking once they lost that game,
that might be their best chance I ever to be
in a situation like that. Because one thing you say
about Boise, like boys have been winning ten to twelve
games for twenty five years, Like the chances Boise wins

(39:17):
ten to eleven games the next couple of years and
puts themselves in a position in the non power forward
to get another spot. No, they may never get a
buy as they change the rules. But if you told
me what are the chances Boise he's in this game
in the next three years, you know, in a playoff game,
I'd say like ninety percent if you tell me the
next five years. Even if I think I think dilly
Ham's clearly really good, issue might never get back to

(39:39):
the playoffs. I mean, issue, are they gonna win eight
games next year? Not because he's not a good coach
or whatever. It's just it's hard. You know, Oklahoma State
was down. You know the schedule, you don't play certain teams.
I just think that's the one you just lose sleepover.
You're like, oh my god, Like Georgia sucks to lose.
Kind of a weird season and their team clearly wasn't

(40:01):
as good. They're like, we'll be fine, We'll be back.
Even Alabama you missed the playoffs, Like we'll reload. We
got it, We'll be okay. A program like as she
was like, this might have been our best shot ever,
especially once we come back and then take the lead
in overtime.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Don't you think with Levitt though, that they may have
some in a big twelve where I mean I'm looking
trying to think on top of my head. Utah has
got a transfer quarterback, maybe Avery Johnson in Kansas State.
This next year ends up turning it around and he
becomes better. But I look at the Big twelve, I
did Colorado losing all their guys door and you know,
Shiloh and Travis and stuff. I kind of feel like,
at least throughout the season that you saw Sam Levitt

(40:39):
progress in what he was able to do in that
football game. I mean, he made some big time throws,
extending plays.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I feel like there's maybe one more if they can recruit.
But you're right, they're never gonna find another Scota but
who has basically their entire offense. But Levitt did improve,
and you kind of look at that game like, Okay,
the future may be bright for Asu.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, and the knock they've had is like nil has
been an uphill battle for him. It's like, and hopefully
this helps, you know, just some of their famous Like
they might not have the crazy boosters, but maybe they
just got some rich former athletes that all put in
a couple hundred grand to each. You know, even if
there's a lot of Phil Micholson's a lot of the world,
it doesn't even need to be foot they don't. It
doesn't have to be football players just because it is cool,

(41:20):
like the football team like saw Phil Mickelson tweeted about,
like it just brings people together in a moment like that. Yeah,
I just it's just sometimes you hope, like the wide
receiver they got injured, is he going to the drafts
he's coming back?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Is like sophomore.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, so it's like is he a transfer portal guy?
It's like or does Texas call him up? You know
that's that's where and that's what and that's where I say, boys,
he's a lot to be back, maybe in the old
pre anil days, but it's harder, like when they get
the gents now as freshman or sophomores, it's gonna be
harder and harder for them to keep him. It was
just hard for them to keep him this offseason, and

(41:56):
they got lucky, stayed very loyal, and he was. It
obviously worked out for him pretty well that he stayed.
He made the playoffs. It was all worth it. But
he's I would say, he's probably the exception that most
guys at a school like Boise. When Alabama calls or
Ohio State calls, or LSU calls or Georgia calls, I
give you eight hundred thousand dollars and you'd be my

(42:18):
starting whatever. It's hard to turn that down, you know.
That's what makes me nervous about like the non super Superpowers,
which is like a pretty clear like ten teams Oregon,
Ohio State. I would throw Michigan in their Penn State,
Notre Dame, Georgia, Bama, LSU, Texas. Like when when those

(42:41):
schools call to any non you know of that group,
is they're gonna get basically guaranteed yes this Like I
saw Jim More go in nuts, like I'm gonna start
turning people calling my good players like I had good
luck with that, Jim. I don't think anyone cares, but
that's happening, Like they're just I just think their personnel department,
like who's the best player on the who give me

(43:03):
the list of the top twenty players in the non
power for We'll fucking start dming them and calling them
and they.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Like the the FCS National Championship next Monday, I might
get some attention to you talked about it. I mean,
I'm a Montana guy and I hate Montana State being
in the National Championship, but they've got some dudes there too,
that can move, I mean either wide receiver position or
running back to their quarterback. A lots could be one
of those guys that a Notre Dame. He kind of
plays in that similar style. But FCS on the chief

(43:29):
you're telling me, like even Ohio State, I don't know
if they would go and get a guy from the FCS.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
But it's it's the tampering.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Part of it's a dominant. If Ohio State takes a
guy from Minnesota, then Minnesota calls Montana, right.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, So if you take lad yeah, So if you take.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
The starting guard from Wisconsin and he comes Ohio State
or Alabama, then Wisconsin goes, well, who's the best guard?
I can get this all American at Montana. That's a
fourth round pick. We take them here. It's actually not
even a downgrade. But Ohio State might not go there though,
just come to us because they see him. It's just
an easier transition for them, where for us, like this

(44:05):
guy's a starter and but for that kid, how does
he turn down when Montana or Utah calls him? Right?
And that's where the shady part of this whole thing.
It's like he's not technically like a lot of guys
don't enter the transfer portal till they hear who knows,
you know, hear so many different stories. Agents are working
the back channels. But it is kind of it is
kind of lawless, which I got no problem. If your

(44:26):
coach leads or whatever, you can do whatever you want.
But some of these guys that are just like their
coaches staying and just their dms are flooded. It would
be difficult. You just gotta hope, like the dude's got
a girlfriend that he doesn't want to leave, you know,
because they clearly one thing's proven. The friendships like your
boys and your team, they're not that strong. Because I
don't hear many people say like, you know, I just

(44:46):
couldn't leave my boys. Everyone's like, yeah, that's a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
See guys later.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
That's like Finley, he's been to five schools. Like when
you look at getting married, who is gonna be on
your best man? Your groom's been set up, You're not
gonna have any type of friends.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I think.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
The only the only one that's been kind of I
guess have friends and people sticking around was notre name.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Some of those big schools.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
But uh, yeah, you're right, it's the tampering part of it.
I don't know how they're gonna fix it. I don't
think they ever will. You just think that's might just
be part of the sport, just tampering and stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
That's why, like James Franklin's pounding the table of like
we need just a commissioner. They can just write some
basic bylaws. And he keeps messing with Saban doing it.
But I think they know they need a coach. They
can understand, like we gotta not harp on this, you
know whatever it is, pushing the envelope on these five things,
but we got to have a hard line of like,

(45:38):
if you sign an nil with me, you can't leave
unless these three things happen. Your coach leaves. Uh, if
you break the contract, you gotta pay. You know you're
under contract. I don't know. I don't exactly know, but
I think that's their big thing. We just need some
bylaws like in the NFL, they're just rules if you're
under contract, can't leave now, but can get cut. Like again,

(46:00):
I don't exactly know how it would go, but there
has to be some sort of of rules right now
there just aren't any. And even for coaches like, well,
they can leave whenever. Well, yeah, if you want to
steal a said coach. They there's a buyout usually right,
twenty million, you know, the summer bigger than others, so
there's no buyout players. It doesn't seem like, you know,

(46:22):
that cam Ward thing didn't play like you know, was
part of his NIO playing in that game. I saw
Bruce Feldman wright that him playing in that game did
help a lot of other guys not opt out and
also play in that game. I mean, he practice you know,
for you know, three whatever weeks, ten practices. I think, listen,

(46:44):
we jumped the Sharks so long ago. The guy sitting
out the ball games, how could in what world if
he helps other people stay and play in the ball game,
if he wants to play a half, how is that
more polarizing than guys just quitting and just leaving, which
been happening now pretty consistently for a while. That's why
I don't even know what to make about half of
these Bowl games. It's like I fell asleep before the

(47:08):
A and M USC game, but I remember seeing the
list of A and M guys that opted out as
like half their team, like they just and I would
guess the majority of them didn't go to the bowl
or just left, especially that bowl, you know, against a
six and six USC team. So you tell me what's worse.
A guy practicing with his team in a ball game.
That doesn't mean anything. And I'm not even some huge

(47:30):
im noting I'm pound on the table for km more.
I'm just looking as logically playing in the half, and
clearly they want to get a look at their backup
as their backup quarterback can either starter or they need
the transfer portal. And you know they lost. Maris is
not Mario loses a lot of big games, like just
check his resume. Now they have lost with Cam probably not,
but who knows Mario as a coach or all these
guys just say peace, I'm out and just head to

(47:52):
LA start training, Like you tell me what's worse, Like
Cam was there with his guys. I think people, you know,
feel like they listen it's it does happened a lot.
The guy just leaves at halftime. But I do think
that is much much better and I have more respect
for that than the guys that just leave. And now
everyone's so numb to no one even cares, like, oh
they just opted out. Look at just Twitter on a

(48:13):
daily basis, like not now because all these Bowl games
are mainly over, but like two weeks ago, opt out,
opt out, opt out, opt out. All these guys either
transfer portal or.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Or the league.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I respect the guys. It's like he's in the transfer portal,
but he's also still playing. I think Orgy for Michigan
is in the transfer portal, but he's playing.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Like Devin Brown from Ohio State, their backup quarterback is
still playing.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I respect that.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, I agree with you. I think part of it, too,
is the reason why is sports betting. Sports gambling has
been so popular for Miami to be a five six
point favorite and have its flip around where Iowa State
not a lot of guys left to go to the
portal for them. I got their starting quarterback, they're all young.
Versus Miami, you've got Emery Williams who hasn't played like

(48:58):
the entire season.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I think that part of it is why people were
all back. I will say this, betting on Bowl games,
non playoff games in general is a very difficult proposition
in this era, and it has been for a while.
You know, it's just you don't know who's playing. You
don't know who cares. It's always been tough as they've got,
especially as they've gone to the four team playoff, and

(49:19):
it's really kind of I would say, diminished a lot
of the importance of the Bulls. The smaller schools still
kind of mattered, but for the bigger schools like you
turn on Alabama US or Alabama Michigan. Listen. I know
Jalen Milroll played bad, but it didn't feel like Alabama
cared at all. You can't tell me if throughout the season,

(49:41):
if Alabama played them in a regular season game in
like October tenth, that Michigan would beat them. I would
doubt that. Who knows. Now, maybe Michigan beat Ale State
and turned the corner and now they're better. I don't know.
But bowl games are weird, non playoff games that it
feels like everyone's all in game planning. I mean, half
these plays are screwing around Like Colorado. Well, I wonder

(50:04):
what Colorado's focus was leading up to that BYU game.
I would imagine it was pretty low.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Kicking.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
It was like, hey dad, we'll play. We'll play for
you because we love you, but uh yeah, we're don't
expect max effort out of us here.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
You know, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I looked up because the NFL game was going and
Shador was getting chased down in like the fourth quarter,
like five minutes ago. I'm like, this isn't he's getting peppered.
I'm like, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
So what do you make of all four teams with buys?
You know, Arizona State, Boise State. Most likely we're going
to lose that football game ended up having opportunities and
not winning. What do you make I guess the four
teams with buys losing.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I think what's going to happen is well, Georgia and Oregon.
Just I mean, you just play against a game, this
happens in the NFL. You just play against another high
level team. It's football. You could lose. I don't think
that's that weird. I would say that. I would imagine
the next couple iterations as they changed this. If I
was a by team, I would want a home game.

(51:20):
I think that's a huge, huge advantage. Then have to
travel three or four days before, stay at a hotel
like I'd want a home game. Now, Oregon might have
lost that game, whether they played that thing in Notts
and whether they play that thing in the moon. It
might not have mattered, probably wouldn't have, but I would say, hey,
if I'm gonna go undfeed and be the only like,
how do we not get home games? We gotta figure
this out. I think Klatt or someone had said that

(51:42):
he envisions a scenario that essentially the Big Ten and
the SEC flex or muscles, and they say, you guarantee
the SEC championship and the Big Ten championship winner a bye,
and then the other two bys. Like, you guys could
figure that out. It doesn't have to be championship games.
It can just be the highest ranked team whatever, you
guys want to do it. But our two teams get
bys and then just like if it's other teams from

(52:04):
our network, fine, but like this situation is not. It
was kind of clunky this year with Boise and Arizona State.
But I also think the combination of the Bulls still
having their hand in the cookie jar throws things off.
It's a little weird. I mean, you're I would say this,
the passion of the game you were at still felt
pretty cool. Now, Boise, you know, has a passionate fan base.

(52:27):
I would imagine a lot of their alumni live on
the West coast. A lot of people from the Northeast
live in Arizona, southern California maybe, so it's not that
far of a travel. Like that atmosphere felt pretty cool
that that spot I feel like works better for big
college now Arizona. You know, the Cardinals haven't been good
since like Bruce Arian days, but that place is a

(52:48):
good place to host a college game. A lot of
people that come here finding out.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, even the final four last year, I mean the
amount of fans they had. They packed it all the
way up to the rim on both sides, and you
can see the the college spirit they bring in because
Arizona Cardinals have those casinos in the end zone, so
they remove those and they bring in all the extra
stands in there. I did find it weird though, this
was the first time, even last year with the four
team playoff. How it's like, hey, you congrat you win

(53:13):
this bowl game. They're passing all these bull hats and
you get the trophy, and even James Franklin's like, yeah,
we'll celebrate this, but it's like, now.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
We've got to go on to the Orange Bowl and
win an Orange.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Bowl trophy and then win a national championship trophy. That
part of it's like a little conflicting, where back in
the day you won a bowl game, it kind of
meant a big deal to wear the hat.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You're gonna throw that hat that dumps you. It's a
little off.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Like in basketball, you cut the nets when you make
it to the final four. It's a really big deal.
And then you'd only cut the nets if you won
the national championship. You won't cut the nets after you
win the semi final game. Yeah, but now that's as
they're still figuring their way through this. It's got a
little baseball feel to it, like when you, you know,
win every playoff series, you spray champagne. We're in football,

(53:55):
like the Chiefs really celebrate once that when they win
the Vision, and you don't really celebrate it again until
you win the Super Bowl. I guess you would celebrate
if you won the AFC and then the Super Bowl,
but like celebrating each round of the playoffs, it's just
a little clunky. But I get if you're these bowls

(54:16):
and this is where I don't think you would do it,
Like if you were just Oregon, you just interview if
you like you know at that game was at Notre
Dame today or at Georgia, you just wouldn't have a celebrate.
You just interview Marcus Freeman, you'd interview Riley Leonard, guys
be able to field celebrate, and then they just go
to the locker room, do a sweet celebration in the
locker room and go shower, eat, go home. But you

(54:37):
got it, like the all the sponsors, he's got too
many hands in the cookie jar right now. There's just
too much going on with the sponsors, the bulls, the playoffs.
It does feel a little clunky. I I didn't realize
that watching it today, but it makes sense now, Like
it feels because they're gonna do it again in the
semi final games, right Yeah, they're going to the Orange
Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, so it's like, Okay, you're

(54:58):
gonna win that game and then you go to it
for the national Championship. That's just a lot of I
don't mind the bowl games for the semis, but I
think that quarterfinal and look, I mean, all former great
atmospheres outside of the Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
What's been going on.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
But uh, it did feel a little like the celebration
after giving him the trophy. And I even saw even
the Camp Scatta Will getting the Peach Bowl Offensive MVP
the loss like that's I don't know, it's like your congrats,
you got this Peach Bowl trophy, but we want the
big one at the end.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, let's end on this one thing that's going around.
And this is where I think all these guys pushing
for they're just using Sabing because he just retired and
he's old and he knows a lot, and they know
he'd be a dick and would just like drive a
hard line on things.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I think all these bowls eventually they got to kind
of figure out a way to just keep it pretty
consistent with like maybe there's a between six bowles, you
kind of rotate between the semis and then just keep
the national championship at the Rose Bowl because the Rose
Bowl is just the sweetest the way it looks, it's

(56:08):
pretty cool. And that it does feel like a push
in college football world to have the national championship at
the Rose Bowl forever. It's just like this is the Masters.
Just add Augusta every year. It's like, we don't rotate
venues here. Now, this is where I think so many
people are involved that the Orange Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, Like,

(56:29):
these people ain't going to allow that to happen, right,
I mean you saw today when Molly's trying to interview
the All State person's grabbing the mic and it's just
everyone up on the day. As you always have these
sponsors and the Bull president. Those people have a lot
of juice, you know in the committee. You know, they
just they're a part of this thing. So it's that's
where I just wonder. We talk a lot about nil

(56:51):
and transfer portal. The Bull system is pretty like there's
a lot of money exchanging hands there, you know, where
they ain't giving up their power. That's where I think
the coaches are like, oh my god, the Rose Bull's cool.
But Jays Franklin's like, we just people these day and
we're like doing this celebration, you know, can we just
we only got like eight days till our next game.

(57:12):
It's probably felt really weird to him, It would definitely.
Saban wouldn't handle it.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Well, Yeah, it was. It was a little weird.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I mean, none of them were wearing the hats after
they all had them in their in their hand. I
think the only one that had some type of fiestable.
I guess relevancy was Tyler Warren with his trophy. But
you talk about the Rose Bowl, don't you think that
some cities would get a little jealous, like, hey, well,
Pasadena is gonna get the national championship every year, the
economical impact that has on their city. Why can't we

(57:40):
have it in Indianapolis? Why can't we have it in Phoenix?
Do you think that battle would happen if they were
to have it in one spot?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Well, that's the pushback. I'm thinking, like they always think
the college games in Glendale pomp like it looks good
on TV on at night too, especially Miami. New Orleans
always works. Uh, Georgia always works, right, and they land
up like, so the rotation does work. I just think
people think because of the weather, it's perfect outside, it's
such a historic venue, and that's where maybe we are

(58:09):
just destined to have. I don't think the second round
the buy teams are gonna get home games for the
foreseeable future, Like maybe that's maybe that's it's a stupid
conversation to have because it's just not gonna happen because
I would imagine they made so much money with all
the sponsors. That's why they did this. So it's almost
like if Ohio State wins it, it's harder because you

(58:32):
got to play the extra game. But it is pretty
cool if you do got to play the first round,
get a home game, win it, and then go on
if you get the right bracket or Penn State, like
if it's Penn State versus Ohio State. It's been pretty
sweet for them. They got to play in two, you know,
three bowl games, and they got to play a home
playoff game in December. That's pretty that's pretty wild, and

(58:54):
maybe maybe there'd be a well, have to see, you
got to need like five years of data, but you
do get some momentum, you know, having played and you
just you know, some people say, you know, and sometimes
a bye week in football can slow you down a
little bit. In the NFL, and those teams just stay
hot and they just keep going through, especially for college kids, right,

(59:16):
and I know, something to keep an eye on. But
and then now I talk about it like I don't
think these bowl games are going anywhere. It's just too
much money, too many sponsors.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, it is interesting though with the whole by situation.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I the only two things they could do is shrink
it to eight or expand it to sixteen. It ain't
an it ain't get shrunk exactly. Yeah it it won't
get shrunk.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
But it would be funny if they didn't flip it
where the ten, twelve, eleven, and nine were to get
the first round by and then the first year, but
then you have to play the obviously five through eight.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
What's your number grade out of ten so far in
these playoffs, I've been I'm a fan of more football.
I'm a fan of the March Madis side of college football,
and I think it's anything we'd ever see, even ten
years ago when they came out with this model.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I think the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Second round definitely brought it up compared to all the
blowouts in the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I'd probably say eight out of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I think there's been a lot of drama, instill parodying
the sport where it's like you're on your especially these
four games. Every game it felt like the other team
the underdog and an opportunity to win.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
What about you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I'd say I'd say the second round really amped
it up. Notre Dame that last game, I mean that
was just that was a war. Arizona State Texas the
game of the year so far, right, game of the
playoffs by a mile. Yeah, I go like seven seven
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I mean even Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I mean I know you and you and Colin talked
about it, and I was leaning more towards Oregon. I
mean that type of performance, that type of performance you
watched them. I was just in awe about the both
sides of the football for Ohio State and the fact
that you have two players that are going to be
number one overall picks that aren't even That's what's great
about the sport too. I think that's what we see

(01:01:01):
in the playoff is there's been a lot of younger
guys that have stepped up in the playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Then I'll get a lot of fame.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
That'll bring a lot of people back to the sport
when you look at next season.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And I think the one good part about this playoffs
year one, if you would have taken like the group
of like however many teams, probably eight to twelve, they
would have been like, who's going to be in the
final four? These would have been for the eight or ten, right,
I mean it's Notre Dame Penn State. And I mean
I would have said, everyone would have picked Ohio State

(01:01:31):
in Texas, right, Ohio State would have been a lock,
I'd say for most people to be in a final four.
I think Texas would have been high up there as well.
Penn State probably would have been close to like most
teams people's eight. You know. But if I would have
told you who they would have got to play to
get to the final four, you might have picked them.
But once you watch them play this year is clearly
they're pretty freaking good. And Notre Dame was just kind

(01:01:54):
of the wild card of like how good are they actually?
But people thought they were definitely a playoff team before
the season. That was why, And it turns out they're
actually probably better. You know, that was a freak loss.
I mean, they're they're they're really good on defense and
the quarterback's gotten better. But that's like, that's an excellent
final four for TV viewing. You get Notre Dame, Texas
and Ohio State. I mean, those are those are probably

(01:02:16):
the top three brands in the sport. I mean, I
don't even know, maybe Michigan Alabama. I'm just talking like
brand put them on TV, get people to watch. I mean,
Ohio State's definitely one. Most people would argue Texas is too.
I mean Notre Dame's probably like two B. I mean,
I mean Penn State ain't small. I mean Penn State's

(01:02:36):
closer to five than it is fifteen. So it's it's
gonna be it's really good. And you know, Ohio State's
a pretty big favorite over Texas. The one good thing
with Texas is they got so much talent they can
like it's not a lock. It wouldn't shock me at
all if it's a tight game at halftime, right, I
mean they are, They're well coached, they got I know,

(01:02:58):
people think like Sark. I'm actually come around on Sark.
I think that he gets scared with Quinn, that he's
gonna make a mistake, and they kind of coach around him.
Their defense is so much more physical than in the
history of that pro you know, in the history of
star coach in that program, like they are. Their defense
is good. I mean, their secondary gives up balls like
that shit that happens in the NFL. What are you
gonna do it? dB on an Island. He's either good

(01:03:19):
enough or he's not. There's it's not like, well, he's
better than the guy on the bench. But their front
seven is every bit as good as Ohio State's Notre
Dames de penn States. I mean it's that's the amount
of NFL guys in this final four is pretty stupid,
and a lot of them are like nineteen and twenty
years old. They're not even going to the NFL. I
mean Brian Youngs kid on Notre Dame, I mean, that

(01:03:40):
guy's because an NFL player. I mean, he's he's a
lock to be like in two years, like a fifteen
sack starting edge guy. I mean, how big is that
guy gonna be as he eats and lifts because he
technically doesn't even really start this year, right, he's a
rotational No, he didn't get playing time until the playoff
yet because we lost a couple guys in the interior,
and then you lose Howard Cross for a little bit,

(01:04:02):
Buttello as well and Mills him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
That was one thing to the middle of the defense.
That's one thing that's been so impressive about this Notre
Name team is just their ability to just plug and
play guys like their secondary they're playing three freshmen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
It's see, that's the thing about That's the thing about
these programs, So like a guy like him next year,
there'll be a lot of time, like he's putting fifteen
more pounds of muscle he's starting this year like in
twenty twenty five, and maybe he takes maybe it's like
he's a twelve sat guy, all American, like that's on
the table with a lot of guys like him on
all four of these teams where it's like these guys

(01:04:35):
like there could be like ten guys that are rotational
guys that are gonna be top twenty picks in twenty
twenty seven. And the talent on the field, it's not
just like you know, the the NFL guys who are
getting drafted, it's also the freshman and sophomores who are
a lot future NFL players. That was the Georgia team,
like when they first won the National Championship. It's like, guys,

(01:04:57):
I hope you know that half their defense as sophomores
and they're all gonna be top forty five picks next year.
So every guy that's not draft eligible is going to
be draft eligible, and some of them are even better
than the guys that are drafted this year. So that's
these teams are just stacked with talent and maybe in
the nil era one thing that's gonna be impossible. You
could get an upset like an ASU or Boise, but

(01:05:18):
you couldn't win like three games if you don't have
a lead talent. So it's gonna be the top programs.
Like I don't need to see five years of this playoff,
Like you couldn't have like back to back upsets with
just the little engine that could, right, you could have one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
And if it's ofesome, I was gonna say, it's all
some fluky stuff like you mentioned Arizona State with the
fake double pot. Yeah, double pass, and then Boise State
at one point had it because gent fumbles and Drew
Allerd gives the ball back and then they run down
the field and they score.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
So yeah, a lot of fluky stuff in those games.
It would have been potential upsets.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
And there were some freaky stuff in that game, like
when Genty fumbled twice. Has he fumbled all season and
he fumbled that time popped up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
It was incredible, was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Okay, Jackson, thanks for joining me. Congrats big day. I
mean Notre Dame. This is this is why you're fan
because these moments you're not that old. So most of
your moments, I mean, what you're losing to Alabama, I mean,
your moments haven't been that terrible. Like You've had a
lot of good teams, a lot of sweet NFL guys,
but and honestly, you're not even that much farther. Like

(01:06:23):
you've been to the National Championship with Brian Kelly, right,
you've been to the final four, so now you're just
back to the final four. But beating Georgia feels like
cooler than those moments losing yet you still got to
win if you lose against Penn State obviously was a
successful year. But well, feel great. You are favored.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
So I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Man, I cannot believe this Notre Dame team is flipped around.
And I'm actually, when we get off of this, I'm
gonna buy some more Notre Dame merch because we're pretty
low in the department and as they keep playing, hopefully
I can wear it on throughout the season. But I
just feel like Marcus Freeman at the perfect timing of
him for Notre Dame to finally get over the hump
that they can't win the big one, and and against
a Georgia team with Gunnar stocked in, and I know

(01:07:04):
the whole headline was, well, a backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
It's Georgia, but they got a backup quarterback. I think
we all could tell he looked pretty much better than
Carson back and I guess he should have. His receivers
would have helped him out a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I mean that that eighty six catches, that eighty r pass,
it looks even better for Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
You didn't just beat some like scrub who couldn't play
like that was a real win. That was a real
win against defense that was really trying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
With an offensive line that was hyped up throughout the
entire season too, that has an offensive guard that's going.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
To go in the first round too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So yeah, so you take the exciting time, pride and no,
just get ready for a game in seven days. Well,
I'll talk to you soon, buddy, and congrats the volume

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