3 & Out - Kauff on Campus, OSU–Texas Preview, Bill Belichick’s Debut, - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Hopefully everyone's doing great. Getting ready for the long extended weekend.

(00:23):
I am about twenty four hours away from hopping on
a bird and coming home. And I tell you what,
I can't wait. One, I can only vacation so long
I kind of get restless. But two, I mean, we've
all had this circle. We got arch Manning, and we
have Ohio State. I mean, it doesn't get any better
than that. I can't wait for nine am Pacific Standard
time Saturday morning. I've already got and obviously we got

(00:47):
a great game on Saturday night. We got a game
on I mean, we've got games all day Saturday, but LSU, Clemson, Miami,
Notre Dame Belichick on Monday night. So what I did
is before I left, I recorded a big picture last year,
many of you remembered. I know, we got new people
here as well. We had a guy named Intern Jackson
that I brought on that loves college football. I'll tell

(01:10):
a story coming up when we talk here in a minute,
but basically I got him involved. Now he is officially
part of the show. He produces the show behind the scenes.
He's part of the volume family, So he's come a
long way in a short period of time. But this
guy loves college football. He's passionate about it, and he

(01:30):
fires me up. So we did a big picture kind
of college football podcast on everything from LSU to Belichick
to Arch to your name, and so it's pretty long,
I think, if I remember correctly, it's like an hour
and an hour twenty minutes. But this guy's dialed in.
And yeah, I'm more than a casual when it comes
to college but you know, I don't know the too

(01:51):
deep of Notre Dame, right, So like many people, I
just consume a lot of it on Saturday, and as
the season goes, you get to know beside the quote
unquote still but I love college football. I absolutely love Saturdays.
It's a little lighter for me than Sundays, which are
just intense. Obviously it's the business I'm in. But Saturdays

(02:11):
I can enjoy it a little bit more and just
be jealous of everyone that went to the big schools
and have a rooting interest. If you went to Oregon,
if you went to Ohio State, if you went to Florida, whatever,
it's always something I've been jealous of. I was a
ga at Fresno State, but it's not the same, especially
now with NIL. Schools like that are fucked. Excuse my language.
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very very fired up because a couple of years ago,
this this young whipper snapper came up to me on
the driving range and started just fire and football takes
at me. Then last year you heard them come on
the podcast and a little football this year, for those

(04:02):
of you that don't know, I've definitely mentioned this on
the podcast a time or two. We've gotten Jackson involved
on the show, operating behind the scenes, part of the
Volume family. He even moved downtown Scottsdale. And no one
I know loves college football and Notre Dame more than

(04:25):
this young man. Jackson called him intern Jackson. Now he's
producer Jackson Jackson. What's up, bro. It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
When I got the job and I announced it, I
had so many comments of people that are like, well, can.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I still call you intern Jackson?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm like, well, how about just Jackson, Like, let's just
Jackson producer Jackson kind of work it that way. But no, man,
I'm forever grateful and in debt for that conversation. It's
just crazy, like you nag someone on a driving range
and you just never know what happens. So I'm no
longer working at the golf course, which is nice. I'd
rather prefer, you know, doing this kind of stuff. But man,
I'm excited at college football. There's just so much.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It seems like ever year in college football it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Gets more and more wide open and there's more questions
than ever before this season.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
So I'm excited to talk to college football. Man, it's
gona be fun. You give people that you know, we
got get so many new listeners every single week, every
single month. You were a walk on wide receiver at
the University of Montana. They've won a few Natties over
the years. You didn't win Natty, did you.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, we didn't get close. I think we went to
the semi final with my sophomore year, didn't win a
Big Sky title, But like Montana for those who don't
know Big Sky Football, University of Montana, it's kind of
like a miniature version of Nebraska. Like they're diehards there.
They live, breathe, and die by Montana. They have a
rivalry trophy. It's like three thousand pounds between Montana State.

(05:42):
So I'm from here with there. Walked on football didn't
play as long as I wanted to, but unfortunately for me,
it started my broadcasting career. Earlier, had a podcast out
of college, and then that led me to work for
a seven on seven company, which led me to working
here locally at radio. And then we're golf on the
side too, And I'm sure you're the same way, Like

(06:03):
it's crazy how you just meet people out of nowhere,
Like I met you at my side golf job, just
talking normal and then just making content on the side
and one day you're like, hey, like you want to
come on.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
The show, like I was you said.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think you said you were thinking about me in
the sauna, which I don't know how I think about that,
but hey, if it's positive, then I guess I guess
it's could, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
One of the greatest viral moments I've ever seen on
TV is Charles Barkley talking about this guy that gave
him a bracelet and Shack asked him, like, where do
you give it to you? He said, in the sauna,
and they started. I felt like they were both naked,
clearly handed to him. But I sometimes in the gym
I go to, they are doing like a remodel of
the locker room. So I haven't been in the sauna

(06:48):
or steam room for a long time, but that is
one area I'm probably like a lot of people. My
my headphones are in my ear way too much, you know,
I listen to way too much shit, and sometimes you
just don't get a chance to think. And that's one
area you're where I just sitting at in the sauna,
specifically the sauna. There's always way more people in the
steam rooms, like you just sit there a lot of
times by myself and just great get in deep thought.

(07:09):
And I was like, you know what, fucking get Jackson involved.
And now it's like a couple. What was it like
a month ago you and me went to the golf
course about one hundred and twenty degrees and he shot
a bunch of content. You watched me. Just you know,
that's the last time I played golf. So now football
season's here and I'll play less and less, but I did.
I wanted to bring you on so just I mean
it's right around the corner being at Fox. I mean,

(07:34):
obviously the NFL is king in that building, but you
really feel the power of college football. I mean it's
a really big deal for that network. They have a
game coming up, you know with arch Manning and Clad
has become you know, the Fox's Herb Street and it's like, God,
this is I'm fired up. I'm ready for this season
and I'm pretty excited. Bro.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, you just you wish that arch Manning versus Ohio
State game maybe at nights.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I mean noon game is fine.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I mean with the slate of games, you got Clemson
LSU AT and I obviously Alabama Florida State in the middle.
But you talked arch Manning Ohio State expectations going in.
I mean, I think there's more question marks on Ohio
State versus Texas. I would say heading in that I
feel more comfortable. You know, Texas is an underdog in
that game. But your thoughts on arch Manning Ohio State

(08:24):
because I mean, I guess they're an underdog because they're
on the road and arch Manning, but then you look
at Ohio State, it's like you got two new coordinators,
Like what will Matt Patricia look like with they lost
eight guys defensively, and then on offense, you got a
new quarterback who they have a lot of They've said
a lot of the good things about him, the last
recruited quarterback that Nick Saban recruited before he left, and
he transfers over to Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Sits a year and the battle was kind of closer
with Keenholtz.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
But I don't know if that's something that Ryan Day,
you know, anticipated before the season, just kind of keep it.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Competitive for fall camp.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But I feel like for me, Ellie's heading into this
game text be an underdog, I wouldn't lean towards them.
But then it's like, well, arch Manning hasn't really played
a game as big as this in his career.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, it feels like all of Ohio State's defense last year,
the big thing was like they came back to kind
of right the wrong against Michigan. Turned out they didn't
do that, but they won the national championship, so it
was all worth it. But they are reloading a lot.
And I here's the thing. When you lose players at
Ohio State, Georgia, Bama, Oregon, now Texas, it's not the
same as like Fransco State. You know, you know, almost

(09:27):
like the guy that some of these guys that are
gonna play for Ohio State aren't just gonna be like
high level guys. They're gonna be like top fifteen to
twenty picks over the next couple of years. Urban Meyer
ad a good point. He's like, when Texas played Ohio
State last year, Jeremiah Smith did not have a very
good game statistically because they basically double teamed him, and
he said, it's actually gonna be easier to double team

(09:48):
him now when he lost a guy that went I
think what Tampa drafted a Mecca. The two running backs
that I don't know are incredible. I know one guy
has you know, had the thing off the field in Cleveland,
but that's gone. Now he's back. And you got Travon
Henderson with a lot of people think they're gonna be

(10:09):
like Rookie of the Year. So and listen, I wasn't
the biggest Will Howard guy, but by the end of
the season he was slinging around like Peidon Manning. That's
just a lot like that is. It's very saban like, right,
It's like, if he does come back and there's this
top five teen, then Ohio State's just clearly the best
program in the country. Right, but it's gonna be. They
also got Matt Patricia, who I think is kind of

(10:31):
a clown. I know people like him, but just in
terms of like last year did the media thing with Bill.
It's like he never said anything. It's like, why are
you doing this? But it's like worked out for him.
He gets the job at Ohio State. He clearly has
a lot of these you know, he's worked with Bill
for twenty fucking years, so it's like, how's he gonna
implement that in the college. They're Ohio State's defense, not

(10:53):
only personnel wise, but I mean their coach. It's not
like he left for a better job. I think he
Knowle's is a pa guy in Penn State. You know,
like in Michigan and Ohio State all have unlimited money
when they want to buy a guy. So I think
it was kind of going home, but like that guy
was a pretty good coordinator, Ryan Listen, I want to
not like him. He's clearly pretty good at his job.

(11:16):
But I think Texas if Arch is good, I mean
I it wouldn't be shocking it off. They win the
national championship, right. But it's like if his name was
I don't know, Arch Middlecough or Arch Graff or Arch
you name it, it would not be the same. They're

(11:37):
just the hype on this guy. I don't think there's
it's unprecedented because when you look at quarterbacks, let's just
save the Internet age the stars, you know, like Liner,
Vince Young, who you know, the two thousands. They it
was like over time, it built and built and built, right,
and then you go like the t bows obviously like
a Borough a Baker, whether you either did you became

(11:59):
the hype winning the Heisman by your play on the
field or like the course of your career. By the end,
it was like, ah, Baker's like the best player in
the country, you know, And this guy hasn't played. I mean,
he played two games against nobody's and then he got
thrown in against Georgia. It's hard to judge him in
that game when he kind of went to the bullpen
for a little bit of Quinn yours. So I believe this.

(12:20):
There are gonna be more people watching that game. It's
gonna do like record numbers. Ohio State's, you know, one of,
if not the biggest brands in football. They crushed. There's
a reason Fox basically like eight of their twelve games
during the regular season or nine am kickoffs Ohio State
or Ohio State versus Nebraska or whatever, And they're doing
that for a reason. It works. But I also just

(12:41):
think that like this, I just want to see archs man.
I'm fascinating. I don't know, is he gonna be bad?
I doubt it, But we college football. I said this
the other day on the podcast. I think there's a
way bigger gap if you're like a sweet high school player,
like all these kids that go on to start in
like major programs, that gap than there is for like

(13:02):
Jackson Dark going from Ole Miss to the NFL, because
you're playing against like me and you. I mean it's
not everyone you play like once you from college to
the pros and if you play to Alabama Ohio State,
like you're pretty used to playing against sweet players in
high school who knows, like, yeah, you might play a
couple good teams, but you are playing a ton of
teams with people that just play football because they like

(13:23):
playing football, not because they're any good. Yeah, it's funny
you said that.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Malachi Nelson, he's a guy that was the number one
overall quarterback. I think he's the same class as Arts Manning.
He goes to USC, people have high expectations for him,
doesn't play, Then he transfers to Boise State, gets benched
by this quarterback who's the same height as you and me.
That takes him all the way to the CFP, and
then now he just barely won the starting job at UTEB.
So your point, it's like the jump from high school

(13:49):
to college is a lot different. You just don't know
with a lot of these new quarterbacks. That's why it's
like Julian saying, and you're hearing all this good stuff,
I'm just a little hesitant, Like on Ohio State just
in general, because you have so many different pieces, whereas
Texas their their defense is good. Like you turn Colin Simmons,
who was going to be a top three pick, him
and Jeremiah Smith after this in twenty twenty seven, Anthony

(14:11):
Hill Junior, like that defense saved them in games, and
you almost hope to you're kind of if you're if
you're a Steve Starkejian and yours is gone and you
finally have the opportunity with Arch you almost kind of
feel relief that the locker room kind of almost feels
relief that, Okay, finally, like we don't have to sit
during Georgia games and see you Weers kind of just

(14:31):
squiver and and look nervous the entire game and throw
these interceptions and bad plays and have arch Manning just
kind of sit there. Now it's kind of like Steve's like,
all right, well now I can play arch Manning. The
fan base is behind me. It just feels like the
movement of the locker room. It just feels like this
is the year for them to kind of just take
that next jump. They went to semi finals with Quinn.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
You weers last year.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I mean that game into wat Yeah, he throws that
pick six to Jack Sweyer, they score that drive.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
What happens in that game? That defense saved him against
Ohio State. So is it one of your boys on
the staff.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, So my receiver coach in high school coaches receivers
at Texas and he told me it's funny he I
wish I would have said this publicly. He told me
January before last season about Matthew Golden before the season
even started. I was like, yeah, how about Isaiah Bond
And he was like, well, no, I'm higher on Matthew Golden.
So I saw him in Georgia and he was telling
me about Ryan Wingo, who's gonna be probably.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Either star wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
He's one of that sophomore class with Jeremiah Smith, with
Ryan Williams, with Brian westco like.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Cam Coleman, He's gonna be that next guy.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
So I think for him in Texas and you know
Seve Starkejan's offense, they've never really had that go to receiver.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's always been kind of a bunch of guys.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Isaiah Bond had expectations last year and then the playoffs happened.
Matthew Golden bekinds that number one guy if he becomes
that number one guy for this offense.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
And then you got CJ. Baxter and Tay Wisner.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Who were these two running backs they could have run
the ball at all last year. So for me, it's
like I look at Texas. Yeah, Arch Manning could be
a concern out Ohio State, but if they could run
the ball, it's like all these other supporting casts can.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Continue to be elite.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
The expectations that people have set on this program.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I just think Arch won't have to.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Do as much, but the expectations placed on him, he
might have to do.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Heisman win the Natty, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
I think I like Texas to win this game. I
think an underrated part. I don't think Sark lost any
I mean all his coordinators are back, like his coaching
staff is. I mean, he's paying a boat load. Ohio
State basically is like the Lions, right, Their offensive coordinator
Chip leaves to the Raiders, their defensive coordinator leaves to

(16:36):
Penn State. Now you they Brian Hartline was on the
staff and you know, might be the future future head
coach somewhere. But like that's I mean Chip Kelly, Like,
I mean, he's been an offensive coordinator for decades and
Patricia's never coached in the college. So just I think
Ohio State just has more question marks.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, just a little fun staff for l the other day,
in the last twenty years, when a quarterback makes their
first start against the number one team country oh in
eighteen oh in eighteen.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
So how often, though, is it like the number one
team in the country is on the road a top team.
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Speaker 2 (19:10):
And the Another big storyline in college football, Bill Belichick
unc like we were talking, you know, college football leading
in the NFL. Like you're gonna do a bunch of
reactions for the games and that Monday game against on
Labor Day North Carolina TCU. It's pretty crazy the parallels
between Bill Belichick getting his debut against TCU and then
Dion gets his debut against TCU. Kind of wild how

(19:33):
those two played. I have no expectations. I mean, their
schedule is a joke. It's so easy. But it's like
forty one new transfers, which that's the only way you
can really build the roster. Now it's the players on
that roster for crap, go in and grab forty guys.
It's just like with Dion Dad last year or two
years ago with Colorado and you just got to just
bring a bunch of transfers in. What's your pace on

(19:55):
Bill Belichick in UNC? I mean TCU, should they win
that game? Are they favorite in that game?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Do you like tc this year?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I mean a lot of people feel like kind of quarterback.
I mean, I just think they lost they lost their
receivers last year. I don't know a whole lot of
tuoe about them, but they're one of those teams that's
in the Big twelve, that's part of like the nine
deep teams like them. Baylor and you know obviously the
big twelve teams at the top.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
To me that like you said, it's the forty guys,
you don't have a choice when you take over a job.
I think there are two big question marks. One, you know,
part of like Belichick's scheme has always been, it's pretty
intense intellectually. It's why he likes like, wait, why did
you draft this guy to play safety? Why did you
draft this guy to play wide receiver? Because he he

(20:40):
values smart guys more than sometimes like blue chip talents.
And because to play for Belichick and Tom you had
to be really, really sharp. And if you think about
most of their top players over twenty plus years, from
like Rodney Harrison to Bruce keed of Rabel to like
the new crew of like Edelman mccordy, just like sharp
dudes well in college, like one, they don't have to

(21:02):
pick of the litter, right, they're not recruiting the top
guys even their transfers relative like, it's not like they're
stealing a guy that Ohio State, Water or Bama wanted,
so his talent it's not gonna be as high. And
then how does he teach him fast enough? Because even
you know Urban Myra's on the show with Coward and
he's like, I don't even know how you could possibly
build a culture and you know, overnight, when that's a

(21:24):
big part of what Bill does is like scheme and culture. Well,
it's like hard to microwave that, and he did. I
don't know if you saw the quote recently. I think
it's like a couple of days ago where he's like,
we hit and tackled way more in training camp than
I ever did in the pro school. We don't have
preseason games because the guys we have on our staff
that were college guys told me that's what you have
to do. And I was thinking back like when I
was at Frisone State, all these colleges, like it's camp

(21:47):
is a little more physical than the NFL because you
could always be like we got some preseason games, especially
for our second and third stringers, where it's like you
kind of knit, you're picking your battles in NFL training
camps than these college training camps. You're running full on
scrimmages a lot. But if you went to like Ravens Camp,
even their physical days, it's not like true scrimmages like
you go to Ohio State or Bama or Texas. They

(22:09):
have multiple like legit scrimmages during fall camp because that's
you gotta simulate the game. So how does he understand
how to do that? And then there's just like I
don't know, I mean, what's the these young kids and him.
I you could argue he's just such a good coach
he'll figure it out, but I don't know. I mean,

(22:30):
he just Dion had been coaching young you know, you know,
high school recruits at Jackson State or whatever. And he
also just had I don't know, his son, who's the quarterback,
and Travis Hunter, who's won the fucking Heisman. Like, does
Bill have any good players? That's my thing because we
saw the last couple of years when it ended he
didn't have any good players on the Patriots and they sucked.

(22:51):
Like at the end of the day, like Saban became
a legend, Urban Meyer became a legend. Right, these guys
become legend because their teams are loaded. Now the conference sucks,
but I mean still it's like they're no locked to
beat some of the random teams in the ACC if
the rosters are the same. Yeah, we all talk about
quarterbacks too.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Their starting quarterback is gonna be a South Alabama transfer
who's five to eleven who's kind of a dual threat.
So it's not something that he's used to seeing with
Tom Brady and kind of these statued six four sixty
five guys who were pocket passers, Like this guy's kind
of an RPOU Whose offensive coordinator is I don't know.
I know his son is obviously the defensive coordator. I
don't know who's OC.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's Freddy Kitchens, who, if you remember, was the coach
for a year with Baker Mayfield. You could if you
told me the equivalent of Freddy Kitchens was his defensive coordinator,
I'd be like, no, big, that's Belichick's baby. You know,
Flores is an excellent defensive coordinator with or without him.
Patricia's not right, but it's like Belichick can run it.

(23:50):
It does whether he's got Romeo Cornell, he can figure
that out. The offensive coordinator matters. Bill was sweet with
Josh McDaniels. When he didn't have Josh McDaniels, they sucked.
So it's like like Freddy Kitchens, I I don't know.
The guy was a joke in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I do wonder though, how Belichick's relationship with players is
because he did take I mean, we always kind of
forget he did take a year off and was in
the media and Pat McAfee, you know, the Manning brothers.
He did show some kind of personality.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But it is you.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Wonder how in today's college football with a lot of
people like my age that are sensitive and kind of
like this gen Z new age people, like how do
they is does Bill kind of like go in between
of a hardcore NFL coach and what he was with
McAfee to kind of just relate to these players like
after the game, if they be TCU or are they

(24:40):
dumping the.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Gatorade on him? Are they hugging him?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Like are they kind of back in a w I
don't know, just a relationship with that, and then on
top of that, you had his girlfriend in the mix,
like we haven't heard anything. I'll fall camp, thank god,
who knows if we will the entire season. But it's
just one of those operations where you just, I mean,
I'm very excited to watch a week to week just
a lot of unknown players that you can't really say
on because it's a guy from South Alabama's just starting quarterback.

(25:02):
I don't know how he's gonna be in the acency.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, to me, a little run around guy does just
not feel like Bill Belichick, Right, And you think about
even when he tried to replace Tom it was with
Jimmy Garoppolo and then Mac Jones, Like, but that's the
best they could do, Like what were I bet they
looked around, like what were their options? So, yeah, I
don't you could convince me he wins eight nine games
because of the schedule. You could also convince me his

(25:24):
players aren't any good and it's just kind of a
disaster and it's like five six wins, right, it could
be a little It would look a lot different than
Dion because at the end of the day, even when
they were sucking that first year, they still were like
Chador and Travis Hunter, Like, is Bill gonna have they
got first round talent on their team.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I don't know no idea how it And they're obviously
the biggest thing in collegetball right now is nil. And
you had this question you texted in, and I thought
it was spot on to bring onto the show about
teams that are keeping up in the Anile era.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I listed a ton.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Of team I do think there's some teams that have
nil and are capable of paying, but maybe it's the
head coach has priority won or like Arkansas, for example,
they paid cal Party a ton of money that roster
as a basketball school. I feel like they're craving football.
But is Sam Pittman the long term answer?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't know. Is Mark Stoops the long term answer?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Hugh Freeze, like, what's your take on I guess what
are some teams right now who are keeping in nil
that kind of just are on the top of your
head and why?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think forever, even back in the day when you
were just brown bagging a kid for I don't know,
twenty grand. If he sucked, you could just bench him.
It was like, whatever, we'll go with the other guy.
You posted something recently of Hugh Freeze with Jackson Arnold,
who got a lot of NIL money. I think from Oklahoma.
I think he was one of the top five quarterbacks

(26:52):
in his class. It's like Nico and Arcs, like he
was a highly touted might have been the previous year
or the year after arch I think it was the
same year, Yeah, but he was a highly touted, like
blue chip guy. And this happens in college football no
different than the draft. Like you think he's sweet, then
he's not. But he gets a lot of money. But
then that guy usually gets a lot of opportunity to transfer,
like like Nico, there's a chance Nico's just a bust,

(27:14):
but you're paying this guy a bunch of money. And
who's the backup for Auburn Deuce Knights?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
And then they also have Ashton Daniels transfer from Stanford.
He was their starting quarterback. But he kind of seems
like a guy like, hey, let me get more nil
money be a backup. Duce Knight's the guy that's the
five star that I said, kind of like when DJ
Lagway came into Florida and everyone's screaming down Billy Napier's
neck like start Lagway.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
He's like, no, I'm gonna go with Mertz. He's got
more reps.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
And Mertz ended up getting hurt, which opened up the
door for DJ Lagway and they ended up having the
back end of the season and it saved his ass.
Like they became Bill eligible, they don't become Boe eligible,
and he doesn't get that recruit. I don't know if
Billy Napier is still coaching at Florida. That's like the
same thing with Florida. It's like or with Auburn. Is
Jackson Arnold gonna be that guy? I just have no idea.

(28:01):
You saw him in Oklahoma last year. He just looked
like a deer in the heamlights.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's terrible. So to me, it's like how that impacts
because all the top twenty five, you know, the big
Big ten schools, all the SEC schools, some of the
Big twelve and ACC schools, they pay a lot of
money for these quarterbacks. I mean they pay a decent
amount of money, right, I mean relative society making hundreds
of thousand dollars position players. When you're given a quarterback

(28:28):
on the low end seven eight, nine hundred thousand dollars,
you're gonna play him. But if the guy sucks, like
you gotta pivot. And that's to me. The coaches with
more juice like Kirby can do whatever he wants, Ryan
Day can do whatever he wants, Lane Kivin will do
whatever he wants. But a guy like Hugh Freeze or
some of these people venables, they get in this position,
like do they feel pressure from the money guys. It's

(28:49):
kind of old school college football that way, where like
the boosters are kind of in control, like sark Now
is in the like he can kind of do whatever
he wants, like he's been winning, you know de boor
like he's kind of got a win to keep people
off his back again to get to that like do
whatever you want, like Brian Kelly, like is there outside influence?
You know? It just makes things complicated when these numbers
get so big, and as we sit right now, like

(29:13):
the money is coming basically from the boosters in the program,
So there is a lot of different people where it's
like in the NFL, it's like your coach and GM
just do whatever, right, It's just you just got the
salary cap. It's money. It's like free money from the league,
from the media. This it's just become really complicated. But
it's also like Texas Tech just all of a sudden
it gets this billionaire guy. That's where it kind of shifts,

(29:35):
like Oregon kind of became that. I do think there
are more programs that will enter the chat, like Texas Tech,
you know, North Carolina State, you know Luck. I don't
know if you've noticed. Luck is just really out in
front right now, and I think he realized the only
way for this to work is like I gotta be
kind of front and center, like I gotta be the

(29:56):
star to also generate the money too, so we can
by these players. And it's just added an element. Like
ten years ago, I don't think Andrew Luck, even if
they would have created this position for him, would have
to do what he's kind of doing, which I respect,
because he would have been like, look's kind of nerd,
He's not gonna want to talk. He's talking all the time,
which I think he realized, I have to to generate,

(30:18):
like he's kind of doing his version of like Delon Sanders.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I said earlier, like I worked sports radio in Arizona,
and you would see first year after Dillingham had to
replace herm Edwards and the whole suspension thing, and Kenny,
being a guy that's from Arizona, he'd go on every
radio radio show, every TV show in the valley, fun, fun, fun,
We need the nil money, Like we can get the money,
keep these players, we can turn something special. And then

(30:45):
what happened last year them going on and winning the
Big Twelve, and he talked about in the offseason I
think you touched on on your podcast too or on
the show that the roster attention is something that they
haven't really experienced at Arizona State until this year.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
So like they're another.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Team where not the level of Ohio State or the
Texas text of the world that getting all this money,
but in a big city like Tempe, Scottsdale, Maricopa County,
like those are the type of like teams I think
in college that there's some fan bases that are holding
back a little bit. But if you can prove that
you can win and you can kind of keep these
elite players, Like I think Arizona State's one of those

(31:19):
teams that could not get five star recruits, but could
they get some four stars and they're getting some backups
from Clemson in Alabama, like Arizona State could not do
that ten years ago. So like to your point about, look,
you got to sell yourself and then you got to
prove that you can win, and then after that, once
the wins start coming, then it's like, okay, let's pile
on and kind of rebuild this program. I do think though, too,

(31:42):
two programs will I know we're gonna talk about Notre
Dame later, it feels like Oregon and Notre Dame and
maybe some other ones that come to your head in
this new era of college football have felt like they've
just like taken that next leap with like everybody else,
Like the gap between Georgia and Bama and them has
shown a ton would I would agree, and I think

(32:06):
a huge part of that is the distribution of the
players and that there was an element of the top
I'd even say five.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Or six programs. Truly, we're going too deep with NFL guys. Well,
if you have a backup now, like arch Manning is
kind of an outlier, like most guys will wait a
year maybe, but then they'll just leave because they will
get paid. And the dirty recruiting aspect of like people
just dming you, people trying to steal you at all moments,
that's where I think college football really needs. I even

(32:35):
saw Rich Paul say this, He's like in our business, right,
like I give Lebron fifty million dollars and the ROLLI
is expecting him to be a great player and you
win games and it's like a part you know, even
if you could say Lebron James always the greatest partner,
if he's on your team, you're typically winning. You're always winning, right,
But there's an ROI in pro sports, like I pay

(32:55):
you a lot for production. Right, that's where going in
college football is I pay you a lot so you
get to do whatever you want. That's that's not how
any of these other businesses work. Right. It's like you
could just up and leave some of these guys. There's
been guys that have like transferred three times in a
calendar year. Like that's where it's like they got to
figure out a way to I'd be on board of

(33:18):
like you sign a contract like multiple years. It's like, well,
you shouldn't force a kid. Well it's like, well if
I'm paying him two million dollars in a two year contract,
like fuck yeah, I can. I totally agree. The old way,
it's like kind of had him buy the balls and
weren't paying him anything. Nowadays, it's like, what's going on?
That was a whole Nico thing. It's like, I gave
you a four year contract at eight nine million dollars.

(33:39):
It's a pretty good deal. Yeah, you know, and I
watched you last year little hit or miss.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, he ran out of bounds against Arkansas with the
last play of the game instead of throwing it up,
and then that Tennessee game he was nowhere to be found.
I guess he kind of ran for some touchdowns too,
but to your point, he didn't really live up to
that production.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
But speaking of quarterbacks, who do you think right now?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Because in college football, sony new quarterbacks right the top
twenty five, Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama,
Miami all have new quarterbacks. Miami, Oklahoma, some transfers. But
when you look at this season, it seems like this
year there's a lot of guys that have stayed a
lot of years that have not transferred to other schools.

(34:19):
Like a couple of years ago it was the final four,
we're all transfer quarterbacks, Heisman was all transfers. This year
just seems like a bunch of older guys. Club Nick
Aller nuss Meyer like who, in your opinion, like, who
is the best returning.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Quarterback that you're like, all right, that guy could be
a dude to watch out for that could lead to
a national championship. Yeah, I wanted to be Aller, but
it's just hard to throw across his body and you
just watch him on a week in wake out, Basis
can be a little hit or miss. To Menus Meyer
that second half against Texa A and M. He's a
really good player, but it's like kind of cousins e vibes.
I would say, again solid but like number one overall.

(34:52):
The Lagway you watch that sec Netflix show. I mean,
guys a big time talent, you know, and they got
a lot of hype coming in. They have a schedule
is pretty crazy. To me, sellers Uh is intriguing, but
to me, he's a little bit more of like, Okay,
let's just let's just see you know that. That's kind
of style of playing quarterback. To me, Lagway is what

(35:13):
like pops like if you're talking number one. If they
all play at a high level, it's like that guy's
the number one overall pick. Right. I think Aler's one
of those guys that probably gets drafted higher than people like, wait,
he got drafted where now his team's gonna be good.
He's gonna win a ton of games during his college career,
but he can just be a little bit of a
wild card. Now their two running backs are gonna be sweet.

(35:34):
But I think that crew of guys and I was
texted with a buddy, a scouting buddy that went through Oklahoma.
I'm like, is John Mattier like up with these top guys.
He's like just based on practice, I think, a little overhyped,
good player, but he's gonna have a lot of people
paying attention to him, right like Arch in that rivalry,
Like Arch gets ninety nine percent, but Materier, like some

(35:55):
people are saying he's gonna win the Heisman. People think
Oklahoma could be a sleeper team. So I think, what's cool.
And this is why football is such a big deal now.
The NFL, they have a bunch of quarterbacks right college football.
This is why college football has separated from college basketball.
The first time I went on college show, Rick Patino
came on. He's like, it wasn't that long ago. I

(36:16):
remember in the nineties when we were all equals college basketball,
college football, the NFL, the NBA, and I was like,
I agree, that's what I grew up on. And in
this Rick Patino, he's like football in the pros and
college has just gone like this and a big reason
for Like when I was a kid, these star players
would play college basketball. For Cooper Flagg would have played

(36:37):
minimum two years, so they build up like we've known
about ness Meyer now or DJ Lagway or you right,
club Nick like he's another guy. I mean, he clearly
pretty talented. I'm just intrigued. I wouldn't bet on any
of these guys being the number one overall. I think
it could be you flip a coin, right, and which
is a good thing, Like that's what you want? A

(36:59):
ton of stars and Arch Manning's showing up, and we
know there'll be a couple guys like Joe Burrow kind
of came out of nowhere. Cam Newton had one. Like
that's the thing with college football. You're gonna get two
or three guys like we are one percent not talking
about or maybe not even know if because they've been
a backup, they've transferred and then all of a sudden
happened to cam Ward. Yeah, not Carson. Carson Beck would

(37:19):
be the one guy that, like, I'm out on We'll see.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Nothing will rekindle those feelings that you had. I guess
I don't know if you really had any feelings to
begin with.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I didn't. I didn't with Carson Beck.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I you talk Ohio State, obviously Texas. I think that
the match between Club Nick and ness Meyer. I mean,
if you're you're talking about in terms of like a
Heisman race, like those two are like neck and neck
and the Heisman odds. It feels like whoever outperforms that
night is going to take that next lead. I think
it's also fascinating just the Club Nick a year ago
against Georgia looked horrible and then like the season progresses

(37:54):
on and you and me were text, we were talking
on the show about this that game against Texas.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I mean, you're watching Club Knick. You're like kay Klubnick.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Being an NFL quarterback in a year from now, and
you got Garrett Riley in a third year. And then
it's the weapons he has around him with Davos Sweeney, Like,
I just think overall, like the circumstances that they have
around him, I would trust in terms of best returning
quarterback would be Nuss s Meyer, but his coach is iconic,
so I maybe give the lean to Club Nick. But

(38:22):
I just think I think Club Nick's just I mean,
a couple of years ago, people thought he was gonna
be the next dj Uyung because they thought he was
gonna be that next Okay, Like this guy is gonna
be another DJU, another failed you know, Clemson quarterback because
after after Trevor Lawrence, they had Hunter Johnson and it
didn't work out there. But he's another guy to me
that I'm interested in because he's starting to be projected.

(38:43):
I think Field Yates came out with a mock draft
and they don't matter. But I think it's cool to
see some of these draft prospects. You know, for sure
draft guys see the potential in some of these quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
That game, I mean, obviously Ohio State Texas gets all
the pub that might be the best game, right, I mean,
I don't judge Brian Kelly on his first year, but
two years ago with Jayden Daniels, they lose that opening
I think it was Monday night game against Florida State,
it might have been Sunday night and kind of get worked.

(39:14):
Remember Keon Coleman destroyed them last year. All the hype
about playing USC in Vegas. Lincoln Riley wants to back
out of the game. Brian Kelly's like, no chance, which
I respect. Then he loses that game. The first year
he did that, he has not won a Week one game. Now,
granted he's playing real opponents at Death Valley night game.

(39:37):
I think I think there's a little of that Texas
A and M like can't. I think that's what if
I'm an NFL scout or GM and I everyone's gonna
like ness Meyer good player, high character guy, impressive, people
love him. That thing that like he went to an
SEC media day when he opened up his thing and
he had Lacy inside. It's like this guy just gets it,

(39:59):
you know which again I'm not even there's not even
a thing to get there. That's his boy powerful, Like
that's sad, situation, awful, but it's like he just checks
every fucking box. But like, you play a lot of
road games in the NFL, you know, and if you're
on if your team gets good, they're hard road games
at night. And it's like that A and M thing
he melted down. And this Clemson defense, I mean, they

(40:22):
have how many guys projected, like you said it, mock
drafts in August change a lot, but like clearly Clemson
has multiple guys that are viewed as top ten picks,
top fifteen picks on defense, multiple defensive linemens. So it's
like buck luck because that's what A and M was
Shimar Stewart. They had a bunch of dudes, and it's like,

(40:43):
we'll see it. Cause I remember I sat right back
here and watched that game at night. I'm like, LSU
was kicking the shit out of these guys and then
it flipped and then they got destroyed.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, that's been the biggest thing for LSU. They can
stop Marcel Reid because they made that quarterback change because
Wyman started that game. Marcel Lee comes in and LSU
that's their biggest thing. And that's like like transitioning to
you know, pressure onto the sec. Like to me, I
think LSU has the most pressure this season because, like
you said, like Garret Nesmeyer, like can he stop being

(41:14):
cute lad in games like he was last year?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Like the first half's great.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Then they come in LSU this season they say, you
know what, We're gonna invest in the transfer portal. They
spend eighteen million dollars this year on the roster. They
spend eleven million dollars the last three years on this roster.
So Brian Kelly's finally going in. You had Josh Pate
talking about how he's finally bringing the Louisiana people back in.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Like to me, it's LSU.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I know they haven't made the Collegeball Playoff, but how
this roster's built. They are six deep out wide receiver.
The offensive line might be a question, but you talk
about NFL guys. Harrol Perkins juniors, A dude went weeks
of the linebacker. They've got some good safeties from the portal.
Like to me, it's like, now we're never for for
Brian Kelly and try to win over this LSU crowd
to kind of keep the momentum for the next couple

(41:58):
of years. And then even or I Smyer himself, like
you return back, you could have went to the NFL
and then a first round pick. Like I feel like
the pressure is really high for LSU and they.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Start out horrible.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I do give Brian Kelly credit for keeping the game
in Clemson, keeping it on the schedule, like you did
not have to.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Probably you could have made it a neutral side game.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
No one would have like heart, no one would have
cared if it would have been a neutral side game.
But it just feels like this year, Brian Kelly, with
the schedule, they could go one in two their first
three weeks because they got that, they got Florida at home.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
So I just think LSU think they got the most pressure.
I totally agree, because you could say Florida. But it's like,
I still think people have no problem firing Billy April, Right,
he's not. They gave this guy ninety million dollars and listen,
I think he's a little douchey. I mean the commed
he had and then Netflix thing is like, my mortgage
depends on no someone who lives paychecks the paycheck worries

(42:50):
about their mortgage. You've made one hundred and fifty million
dollars coaching football the last fifteen years. You could pay
cash for the house if you want to do yesterday,
like shut up. But from seventeen on he went ten
and three, twelve and one, eleven and two, ten and two,
eleven and one. Like this guy was viewed as like
a guy that if Notre Dame had a little bit

(43:10):
lower academic requirements, like they'd be winning Natties, right, that
was the thing, And he gets the LSU and two
years ago, and this sometimes age is worse when it's like,
well we had the Heisman Trophy winner, we had the
best offense. It's like you probably could have won a
national Championship if your defense wasn't a joke, right, you
had Molik neighbors, Brian Thomas Junior and Jaden Daniels. Like

(43:34):
if you historically LSU has good defenses, right, it's like
Ohio State or Alabama or Georgia's like they're when I
think LSU, honestly, up until like Burrow, I always thought defense,
and you'd think Brian Kelly. I know he's an offensive guy,
but like his defense is Notre Dame, tough bunch of
NFL guys, And I just think people the expectations and
then last year Notre Dame is in the National Championship

(43:57):
and this guy is nine and three again, or actually
last he was eight and four, but in the regular season,
so they won the bowl game. I just think that
I think by far right, you'd say, to Bor, but
he's not going anywhere. He's getting multiple years Florida. I
think people are already kind of on the fence of
that guy. Anyway. It's like his DJ lagway, like even
their schedule is really hard. If they got to fire him,

(44:19):
no one will hesitate, Like this becomes a major major
problem if they're nine and three again, and I would
say Listen, I respect you playing these big time games,
but eventually you got to win one of them, right,
you got it? Like Dabbles won a lot of these
over the course of his career, right, Saban and Kirby
and Ryan Day, like they've won a lot of games,

(44:40):
So knock on James Franklin. But like James Franklin has
been winning at a really high level of Penn State
last year, gets to the final four, right and honestly,
if his quarterback doesn't make just a boneheaded throw, probably
wins that game or has a decent chance to win
that game. Like played, they played a winning football game.
I'm not putting Drew Aller's pass on James Franklin like
I was. A Ryan Kelly's has kind of been a

(45:02):
been a letdown.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I feel like at LSU, you've ben watching that sec
Netflix show to you hear him yelling at his team.
It's just like it's a it's a weird vibe between
a really old old school guy like I'm doing it
my way, I'm not doing anyone else's way kind of
mentality in this new in this new college football era,
we're all adapting to different things in the sport.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, I think I'll give you an example. I'll give
you an example when like Florida State, who maybe this
norvelle and that that program just falls apart. No one
expects them to beat Alabama. They're like a two touchdown underdog.
So if they do lose by twenty points, like whatever,
it's like they could still have a solid season or
maybe they suck, but the expectations on that. When you

(45:45):
look at LSU Clemson, like these a three and a
half point underdog. So it's that and listen, like that's
definitely when you got NFL players and you got an
NFL quarterback, like it's a winnable game and now would
it be an impressive win for sure, But they're hanging
ninety million two. I don't know win a game like this.
So it's like if he if he can't win this

(46:06):
game and it does snowball, I know, it gets a
lot more complicated with buyouts and stuff. I would say
that the LSU would if he started one to two
and they lost to Florida. You just look at their schedule.
There's no way they could make the playoffs because that
would mean something's really wrong. He would be like people
would just be out on him there.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, because they got A and M at Bama and
at Oklahoma the back end of the season, so he
got two really hard road games and then an M two.
I also think it was a bad look last year
when he slammed the table against USC and he's he's
calling out his players and saying, we weren't prepared enough
and I can't get these guys right. And at South
Carolina game, they should have lost that game when arist
Sellers gets hurt. But that was one of those collapses

(46:45):
too from last year, kind of pivot off of LSU.
Do you think there's any sneaky pressure. It feels like
no one's talking about Georgia. This team won the SEC

(47:07):
last year, they lost the first well not the first round,
but the second round of.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
The collegetball playoff.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Do you think there's a kind of sneaky pressure on
them just to kind of be relevant again in the
sport where there's a lot moving on with NIL and
teams are moving up and down, and you have all
these kind of expectations and you were kind of soft
last year, and I'm a Notre Dame fan. We talked
about Notre Dame Georgia and I was on Notre Dame side, obviously,
it just felt like that Notre Dame game was the
first time you saw Georgia just get worked.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah. I mean, I think most people are not saving
where it's just like every other year you're gonna win
a Natty and you're just gonna bang out Natti. It's like,
I just think Georgia and Kirby is a really really
good coach. This team's gonna be in the mix a lot.
But it's like transfer portal. There's a little element of luck.
Gunner Stock didn't seem sexy, but it's like, is it
gonna be your full time quarterback all season long? Like
Kirby almost feels like he talks about him like he

(47:56):
did Stetson Bennett, And that's how I think he views it,
you know, kind of like the old school Nick Saban
way of like, yeah, we just do whatever, We'll build
it around him. Are we sure that you were able
to play like that? Now? Like don't you kind of
need an NFL quarterback? Uh? So, I don't think there's
he won back to back national championships. They hadn't won
one since nineteen eighty, But I do think people will

(48:17):
start being you start paying what they're paying for their staff,
for their team, people expect like ten wins minimum. Like
they're just they're just at They're kind of the new
Alabama because of their coach. So you don't need to
win the national championship, but like last year, can you
just be in the mix, be in the SEC championship game,
be in the final eight or four. But like the

(48:39):
SEC's if Gunner socks and sucks, they would have a problem. Yeah,
he's not a sexy sock. I just mean, like you know,
like Carson Beck created problems for them, Like he just
wasn't gonna be good. It was gonna be a tough season,
and you just that's the thing with college you just
never know. Maybe he's gotten a lot better. They won
a lot of games with Stets and Bennett. They also

(48:59):
had an all star team. I mean, you could argue
their roster was as good as any Alabama roster over
the decades. It was literally their entire defense was basically
first or second rounders. They had Brock Bowers and Lad McConkie.
I mean it's like that's a pretty unreal one two
combination to pass the ball. I mean that both those
two guys are their star quote unquote receiver. I know

(49:23):
he's a tight end, but he's a receiver on their
NFL teams. So it's like that's it's pretty hard. Like
it's in the NIL era. It would have been much
easier pre NIL for Kirby just would it would have
They would have been the new Alabama, just two three deep.
I think it's just more difficult now because the guy
is like a backup. He was like, I'll just I'll
go play at Florida State or I'll go play at Auburn,

(49:43):
and these guys just disperse. I think I've heard Josh
Pate say this. I've heard a couple of different people
say this. The SEC is still really strong because all
the sweet players, but they just kind of get dispersed
in the SEC. Right, So it's like where they used
to be on Bama or Georgia or those urban meyer
fulour the teams. Now the backup like, I'm not waiting
till my sophomore year. Now maybe I'll have to go

(50:04):
to Vanderbilt or Auburn or Texa and it. But I
dispersed within the South, you know, And that's a huge
advantage forever for Saban and then to Kirby. Like I
mean part of that Georgia dominant team are all those
guys sitting around. I mean, help remember Jeremiah when the
first people started transferring, like Jeremiah Johnson who went to

(50:25):
Florida State, uh and was drafted years ago because Jermaine
jo Yeah he was. He was like a third stringer.
But like pre and I, he just would have had
to stick it out and maybe would have had a
sweet year, but he would have to wait his time,
like people don't wait anymore. Yeah, yeah, I agree on
her percent.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I think one thing with them this year will be
interesting is most of those losses they had last year
a home games. Uh, Mike Bobo's back, They're gonna probably
run the ball more, Une Fraser. The running backs really good.
They went out and got some receivers, like the amount
of drops they had last year at Georgia, Like those
receivers last.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Year were horrible. But another team that but I will
say this on Georgia, they they throttled to I mean
that first game when they played Texas, it was like
it felt like a different like, I mean, they were
just destroying him up front. Obviously they've lose I mean
Walker Goes gets drafted in the first round to Alabama
and Mikel Williams gets drafted in the first round of
the forty nine ers, Like, those are two guys the

(51:19):
Historically I'd be like, well, they's got the next crew,
and they will have excellent defensive players. It is just
more difficult because sometimes that next excellent player comes from
like a group of four or five guys. They battle
it out and then the cream rises. Well, it's like
three or four of those guys might leave now, and
you're really dependent on those two guys to beat those
that fill in, and maybe they have transferred around. So uh,

(51:41):
it's just harder to replace. You're no doubt about it.
Number one overall draft pick. Even at the sweetest school,
you might get it right, but you don't have like
five guys to pick from. You're picking from like two
or three, and they just better work out. Is this
Penn State's year to win it? It?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Man James Franklin, I just his record is horrible, but
it's like one of those things. Does he just kind
of sit back and they've got any Kolneki one of
the best offensive coordinators in college football. You wonder in
year two with him, like could they implement Allen and
Singleton more and what will the offense look like without Warren?
And when they win in and got three portal guys,

(52:22):
jimorre Penya was a guy to me that was like
the icing on the cake.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
He was like the number one wide receiver at Syracuse.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
And then you get Jim Knowles defensively and what he
did with Ohio State, like the fact that they have
such a big advantage getting him, they just won the
Natty last year. And then you look at this defense
and what he was able to do with you know,
the pass rushers that they had at Ohio State and
the DB's that they had Ohio State. Two, you go
over to Penn State, They've got I mean not only
lost aft Ol Carter, but you mentioned LeVar Arrington's son

(52:49):
is on the team. Sutton's really good. They got another
defensive lineman. So it's like, to me, it's hard for
me not to but we've always seen this dance every
year with Penn State and they can't win the big one.
I don't really know it's hesitancy, but they have such
a big advantage over the other teams right now preseason
in college football.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Well, their schedule is kind of a joke, right, they
got Oregon, Ohio State, they got they get Oregon at
home and they go and so I would say, worst
case scenario, they're probably ten and two if they win
one of those games, they I mean there's a chance
they're undefeated. Like they're their schedule so like relative to
the some of the SEC schools, their road, it's got
a little Clemson vibe to it where it's actually an

(53:30):
easier road at the end. You just you're not as
beat up. There's not like, oh they've got an off week,
We're playing Texas A and M. Like they're off weeks
like Indiana, Like they're gonna fucking blast those guys, even
if Nebraska's better, Like huge advanced Rutgers Michigan State. I
was a tough, physical game, but like Northwestern, you know
U c l A. Nico, Like they're gonna be favored

(53:50):
by double digits in all these games. So, I mean
they their first to get Nevada FIU Villanova is what
they got leading into Oregon. So I think from a
roster standpoint, they feel like a lock. Like you guys
last year once you lost to UH who'd you lose
to Ball State or something Illinois. Yeah, I think you

(54:12):
have to like drop the ball so bad to even
put your your playoff spot in a precarious situation because
of your schedule. Like Penn State is just kind of
in the driver's seat, Like I'd be stunned if they're
not in the Big Ten championship game. And so then
there you're just sixty minutes away from you're in the
you're in the championship game in the SEC or the
Big Ten, you are a lock if you win that

(54:34):
game to get a bye, right, So you you get
to that game, you are sixty minutes away from having
a bye, and then factor in their schedule, it's like
can you win three games? Then then it just comes
down to I do think getting the monkey off your back.
Oregon will still be ranked pretty high even if they
kind of have a down year like a but winning

(54:56):
the Oregon Ohio State game for James is big going
into the player winning one of those two games, right,
because if they don't and they lose the Big Ten
championship game, they're like a wild card teams Like I
don't know, he beat SMU and Boise last year, but
like if somehow he's undefeated and won both those games,
I think not that the pressure would be you could
argue the pressure would even be amplified, but at least

(55:18):
we'd have seen him win some big game. Winning at
Ohio State would be really big for the way we
talked about them going into it, because their quarterback now
is a ton of experience. Right he played, I mean
he played a lot better with his new OC last year,
but the game he had against USC obviously, you know,
playing Oregon in the championship game, playing that Ohio State game,

(55:39):
which they they probably should have won if they don't
screw up at the goal line. But like he comes
in this year, we feel good about the quarterback. Like
you said, they add some wide receiver, their running backs
are both back. Defensively, they're gonna be sweet. They're gonna
be super well coached. So it's like people get hard
on James. James, like because of the budget, they have

(56:00):
higher suite, you know, two elite coordinators, Like these guys
are two of the better coordinators in the league. And
he's really good at the raw raw like he's really
good at his gig. For whatever reason, do they get
a little tight do something happen in those big moments?
Are they not quite as buttoned up? But he's pretty
freaking good, you know, Like he's like he's kind of
not done this from scratch. But you could argue, and

(56:22):
I'm gonna be like, you just hate Ryan Day. Ryan
Day did take over a program that was handed to
him from Urban Meyer that is also historically one of
the best programs in the history of college sports. Right
any any sport, like you win at Ohio State, Penn
State could be just a little up. I mean, they
had Joe forever, but it's like he took over after

(56:43):
Bill O'Brien some weird situations, Like he's done a really
really good job and they're not like just rattling off
national championships either, Like this isn't Alabama, this is a
Notre Dame. It's a really good program. I'm high on him.
I think I think they can. Like he's almost like,
is it safe betting on them before they do it?

(57:04):
Just let him do it first. Like is Tommy Fleet
would ever gonna win a golf tournament? Well, he probably
will one of these days, but I'm just done betting
on it. I do think Penn State, like this team,
especially when you factor in the schedule, there's an element
of randomness a little bit. Do you agree, like with
the way the playoffs are now with attrition and guys
getting injured, so you never know, but they're as set
up as anybody this year. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I think we kind of overthink sometimes too. I think
Ohio State, even last year, the cloud over Ryan Day
can he win the Big one two was on him
and even Jim Harball before he could even beat Ohio State.
Like that same narrative kind of passed through to James Franklin.
And I think people hate on James Franklin too because
he likes to talk like you see him in these
press conferences and that press conference he had with Marcus

(57:46):
Freeman talking about how Notre Dame should be an independent right.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
To his face when he's ready to creep, because that's
what he's like, an old school personality. Yeah, Bobby Bowden
like I'm a CEO, I'm a recruiter, I'm the personality.
Mark Freeman's like wants to scheme you on the whiteboard, right,
Saban was kind of the best of both worlds. But
James Franklin is like in the nineties. I'll be the
best recruiter in the cut a little what Eddie Oh

(58:10):
was for a brief moment for LSU. I do think
I'll give you if you had to bet your month's
salary on neutral site Clemson versus Penn State. As we
sit here right now, how you're taking.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I'm taking I'm taking Clemson close, but I mean Penn
State up front, like that defensive line.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Just thinking about them against Club Nick.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
I would trust Clemson just based on the fact that
their receivers are all returning from last year. They got
a lot of returning production that have played with Club
Nick and in the scheme versus like Penn State, they
still have three transfer wide receivers. You got a new
tight end, so I think it's gonna work out for
him and the receivers. Last year for Penn State were horrible.
But I would say Clemson neutral what about Yeah, they

(58:55):
have more boxes check going into the season. I mean
they lost what's his name to them, Abdul Carter, who
was one of the best players in the country. Now
they will have, you know, reinforcements, but Clemson brings back Woods, right,
who's an elite player like that? Is there abdual Carter,
who most people thinks can get dredged. I would think
that is the more successful version of James Franklin. Big personality,

(59:17):
talks a lot CEO, head coach, offensive background, wide receiver guy,
but really like he's walking around practice, not with a group. Right,
his coordinators run the show. When Dabble had sweet coordinators
back in the day, Venables, Tony Franklin, they kicked at
he recruited, They beat the shit out everybody.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Right then they went through some tough spots. Now he's
got Lincoln Riley's brother and they were viewing pretty good.
James Franklin, same deal. I don't think it's crazy if
we look back in five years, James Franklin finally wins one,
we talk about him like one of the best coaches
in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Speaking of Lincoln Riley, you think he can ever win
in the Big ten? You think this is gonna be
one of those things that the buyout's so big they
haven't a twenty twenty six recruiting class to the number
one recruiting class. But it feels like, I don't know
what's your what are your overthoughts just on Lincoln Riley
and USC I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Can be a pretty big hater on this situation because
I think that where you're from and where you're coaching
college matters. Like James Franklin's from Pennsylvania, it fits. Kirby
Smart played at Georgia. Southern guy fits at Georgia. Before
you even win or lose a game, like, people want
to like you. Right, Rich Roderriguez going back to West Virginia,
he's our guy, you know, uh, the guy when Chris

(01:00:46):
Peterson went to Washington. He's a West Coast guy, intellectual
that school. It just fit. This is a weird fit.
You got a dude from Texas right coaching at LA
not winning. I heard Klatt say this, you gotta be
pretty careful because I always like touchshit when Colin would
come on big USC guy and I was like, what
is going on? This is a joke. A lot of

(01:01:09):
their losses last year actually weren't that bad in terms
of like they weren't getting blown out. They lost crazy games, right,
They lost crazy games that they should win. Penn State
Aller and Tyler Warren pulled plays out of their you
know what to win that game. Minnesota all Time epic meltdown.
You were telling me, I'd forgotten about this game, like
they were. They could have beat Notre Dame right Michigan too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I mean Notre Dame was that he threw two back
to back pick sixes, and the Michigan game, Kilel Mullings became
a superstar, had that like eighty yard touchdown and they
came back on that game too. I just wonder just
the whole brand of Lincoln Riley just defensively stars, defensive coordinator,
and like, what what are we gonna see? And then

(01:01:52):
I like the receivers, but the quarterback isn't like what
he's had in the past. I mean even Miller Moss
like had a bigger name because we saw him in
the Holiday Bowl. Now, I guess USC did beat am
M in the Bowl game. Whatever you want to take
that with a grain of assault or whatever. But I
just think for me, they lost so many games.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I would all those all the A and M guys
did not play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, that is true, that is true. It just for me,
I think Dave had the hardest transition in the Big ten.
And I think, like saw Greg mclroy has that USC
is like a top fifteen team, and maybe he knows
more in depth about this team. But they're one of
those teams that I know there's a lot probably for
you in college football that's like I'll be on your side,
just I'm gonna just show me before I can be

(01:02:31):
on your side.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
This season for USC, I would say this about USC.
I think Danton Lynn, who is Anthony Linn Sons their
defensive coordinator. He's really good. And you see that quote
he had within the last couple of weeks where he thought,
now he's Big ten guy. He said he thought the
Big Ten, because he had coached at Baltimore, was the
closest thing to the NFL, you know, trying to hype

(01:02:53):
up the Big ten. If you saw their team picture
like a week ago, I've forgotten about this. Rob Ryan,
you got that long white hair, big fat belly. Gotti
is on the staff. So I think defensively they actually
could be pretty good. And you know, I think the
major question mark is the quarterback, but like that is
usually Lincoln and the quarterback, they will figure it out.

(01:03:15):
I think there is a lot of you know, LSU.
I think this is kind of the Big Tens. LSU
like the hype was an even more because ultimately didn't
LSU want Lincoln Riley, and he basically chose USC over LSU.
So it's like, Okay, Lincoln, I mean I don't need
you to go twelve and zero, but can you can
you go like ten and two and have a couple

(01:03:37):
of big wins. I have to look at their schedule,
but I can you? Can you just win a game?
That part of being a like a legendary coach or
a guy that's really highly paid is you gotta win
some games. Sometimes people don't think you're gonna win. And
I just feel like Lincoln Riley, like Missouri State, I
mean their schedule, Georgia Southern like what a joke? Perdue?

(01:03:57):
But like can they beat at Illinois? Can they beat Michigan?
Can they beat Notre Dame? Can he beat Oregon? Is
he gonna win? Can he win two? Can he go
two and two in those games? Nebraska?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, that's another team that's like kind of in that
tier two in the Big Ten that can they get
over the edge. But one last topic and then we'll
get into Everyone loves these predictions, love college football big
season predictions, but has your perspective runner up Notre Dame
magical season?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I mean they lose to NIU, they make they win
four or win win three games. They beat Indian and
they beat Georgia and they beat Penn State. Has your
perspective on them changed in the fact where it's always
been this notion of Notre Dame can't win the big one,
Like Notre Dame can't win the big one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
They're independent. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I heard you and Coward talking about this maybe a
couple of months ago, but it almost feels like Notre
Dame set up in this new era of college football
that they have the biggest advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Marcus Freeman's a young coach. Obviously, the academics are great there,
they recruit well, you can set your schedule all to
see a p money that they get throughout the entire
playoff goes to them. Like it just feels like for
Notre Dame CJ.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Carr quarterbacks can be a big question mark, but this
whole notion like could Notre Dame be I mean, I
don't know your perspective. You're a callegie gay, maybe you
hated Notre Dame growing up, but it feels like Notre
Dames kind of be more likable and they're every year
top five team.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
National champion team.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Like, I think they're kind of another team to me
that their schedule is harder this year. I mean they
got Miami and m at Arkansas Boise State. So I
just think for me, like I think they have a big, big,
biggest advantage in college football where they're set and now
you see the SEC is going to schedule a one
quality game of year, so there they don't have to move,
they don't have to move, and then there's no pressure

(01:05:42):
for them to move. It just feels like this next
five year window maybe ten year window is like that
next team that could win it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah, I think, uh clearly he's a He's an excellent
coach slash recruider. He's like kind of what you want
in the guy running your operation. You know. I think
Pete Carroll, Nick Saban Kirby that they are the best
of both worlds. They can relate with the young guys,
so they can be the leade recruiter, but you can

(01:06:10):
get him on a whiteboard and they can dominate. And
that's what I would say Marcus Freeman, and there's just
like an authenticity to him where it's just like okay,
you kind of see it and you could see like
he was a little uncomfortable when James Franklin like wouldn't
shut up, like he doesn't want there's not a lot
of fluff to him, Like Saban could bes a little
bit more like Chris Peterson's a good example, Like Chris
Peterson wasn't really into the BS stuff, you know, like

(01:06:32):
ed Ojeon was all BS. I don't mind my coach
being seriously serious and clearly Notre Dame kind of got
a David Ja vibe to him. But David was an
offensive guy. This guy's a defensive guy, so there's a
toughness aspect to him. But I just think their talent,
like Jeremiah Love, what if he's the best running back
in the country. So if you're the best running back
in college, you're usually going for like I'm close two

(01:06:53):
thousand yards. You just handled the ball NonStop. And remember
we were talking about last year defensively, some of their
young talent was like damn, who's that guy. It's like, oh,
that's Brian Young's kid. Oh's and so it's like you're
gonna have guys on their roster because they're transfer portal,
they probably operate a little bit differently. Fair to say
than like Alabama, Ohose State, or maybe they're like they're
like Georgia will they'll plug and play.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
They only add like eight guys, so they added like
a couple receivers this year, like a Virginia's receiver who
had back to back eight hundred yard years, like he
could be their receiver room could be more dynamic down
the field versus before they are running offense Jadarion Price,
you know their offensive line is gonna be set.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
And they're a team too that I know. Texas and
Sarkigan talked about this too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
With the amount of games you're playing, like you've got
to play probably a lot of guys too, deep guys,
especially on defense, And they were dealing with injuries last
year and you watch them play, you would not know
watching notre name last year that they dealt with Their
starting quarterback who got drafted to the Buccaneers was out
for the majority of the season. They had a true
freshman who was the best cornerback in the country step in.

(01:07:53):
So it's like them and their ability to recruit and
also play guys early. That's why they're able to keep
all these guys around. Like I think that's one thing
too they're so young, but they keep this retention throughout
the couple of years. You're not losing guys. Notre name
is obviously a powerhouse. Like it just seems like to me,
like they just have such a big advantage. And to
your point about all the former players, like that is

(01:08:14):
his kids there, Plicycle Burst his kids a freshman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
That makes me feel old, Like I kind of feel
like you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
It's like all these all these guys you watched up,
you watch your whole life in the NFL. Their sons
are going Larry Fitzgerald's kid's gonna be there next year. Like,
I just think things are moving in a great direction
at Notre Dame, and I think people are starting to
this whole narrative. Like I keep mentioning it win the
big one and that they're the most hateable team in
college football, the becoming likable and they got their own

(01:08:39):
TV contract with NBC.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
It's like, yeah, money's not gonna be an issue. I
one thing with their you know Riley last year, I
remember that first game against Texan and a like he
just doesn't throw up very well and throughout the whole season,
like he's not a great throw over the football and
just look at his numbers through twenty one touchdowns. He
ran for seventeen, so basically brought to the table thirty
eight touchdowns. So I would imagine CJ. Carr in theory

(01:09:03):
better thrower of the football. But Riley Leonard and the character,
the leadership, people love the guy. You know. I was
out on him early, and then as the season went on,
he clearly got better. I got you know, transfers. I
think sometimes it's unfair the way we judge you. That
same with Will Howard. By the end of the season,
they were way more comfortable and way better. They're honestly

(01:09:24):
kind of similar trajectories. Early on, you're like, what's going
on here? And by the end, you know, Will throws
the ball or did in college way better than Riley.
But by the end, Riley was a legitimate starter in
college football. But he just brought so much to the table. Yeah,
I'm not comparing him to Tim Tebow. Tim's a better
college player, but like running and passing, you know what
Lincoln had forever with like Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts.

(01:09:46):
That's a pretty like thirty eight touchdowns a lot from
your quarterback. And like you said, the schedule's harder. I mean,
they feel good about CJ. Carr accounting for that many scores.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yeah, I think some of those touchdowns too, are going
to go towards Jeremiah Love. I think air I Love.
I mean, I think he could have what Gent had
at Boise Stand. I'm not saying like Love's gonna have
that Notre Dame, but it feels like if he has
some type of one of those like overhaul monster rushing
seasons at a big program like Notre Dame, like he
could be a Heisman guy when we transition to like

(01:10:18):
bets to look at he's plus twenty eight hundred, Like,
that's another guy, a non quarterback. Notre Dame is gonna
play a lot of big games. They're obviously gonna hand
him the ball off and they have a second running back,
so maybe that might hurt his carries and his stats
compared to like some other running backs. But he's another
guy to me that I think he's just gonna have
a breakout season like that. Dude's just phenomenal to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yeah, twenty eight to one, I do if, I mean,
do you expect Notre Dame to be in the playoffs
this year? I do. I do. I think it's a
two it's a two game season.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
But I hate when people have that mentality because either
they beat Miami, they beat A and M and then
the rest of the season, maybe they get sniped by
Arkansas or like luckily this year they don't play a
MAC team, thank god, because a MAC team or a
Marshall like that's like Notre Dame's pass or like that's
what they're really bad at. But I do expect them.
They control their own destiny too. They're they're independent. You

(01:11:04):
set your schedule, you don't have to worry about a
whole conference.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Like Oklahoma this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Year, Like they have a really hard schedule. They lose
three games. They're how are they not in the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
That's like they but they got dealt a bad hand
Devin Florida versus like Missouri this year. Missouri has a
really easy schedule again, but their team's just horrible. So yeah,
to me, if Notre Dame's gonna be good, which I
think they're grown to be, he's got to be an
out of lock your best offensive player. He's gonna put
up huge numbers, doesn't mean he's gonna win the Heisman. No,
but like going in the quarterbacks around the country are

(01:11:37):
kind of like a coin flip, right, You just don't
know what you're gonna get or the team's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
You know, lsu ness Meyer, you could tell me he
wins a Heisman. You could also tell me they win
a games. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
So it's like I was gonna say, like, don't you
feel like too with the quarterback Heisman race, it's you
don't really know until, as you say, like the games
they remember played in November, you kind of have to
base it on like what the team is going to
be in November. Like that, that seems like the majority
of the voting is versus like if Club Nick goes
crazy Week one or even like Cam Warred went off
against Florida and people had him as the highest mean,

(01:12:08):
he's gonna win the Heisman, blah blah blah. And then
as the season kind of progresses on, Miami starts to lose,
Hunter starts to go up. Like if you're a better
on quarterbacks, like I don't really know what you kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Would go, but I don't and I don't feel good
to me. Travis Hunter is a good example who is
Travis Hunter that you know, beside Jeremiah Love, which I
think he would fall into that category. A guy last
year's skill position who's gonna put a big numbers, that
has momentum coming into the season. Travis had the dual
position thing. But like you would say, the what Ryan Williams,

(01:12:39):
you would say, Jeremiah Smith, a guy like that, We're
already talking about momentum coming into the season. If they have,
you know, one of those two wide receivers, they're team suite.
They score twenty touchdowns and have eighteen hundred yards. They're
they're at minimum at New York right, they're there. So
it's like I would say those two Jeremiah Love again,
you don't quite know. Jeremiah Love to me is more

(01:13:01):
of a sure thing than those two wide receivers because
new quarterbacks, who knows, you know, it just could get weird.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Jeremiah Smith too, I think he's like plus eleven hundred
eleven to one. Is is arch Manning and Heisman betting
kind of like Scotty Scheffer, where it's like you kind
of gotta go now because it's odds aren't gonna as
odds are gonna continue to go low We're like, if
theybe in Ohio State, you know the sportsbooks are gonna
have him a plus two fifty and they the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
What if they lost like twenty to ten and he
doesn't look that good and people get out. He feels
a little like the Cowboys or the Lakers or something
preseason where they're just such a sexy team people bet them,
even it's not even based on like, you don't need
Kobe and Shack to get Laker bets right, people are
gonna bet the Lakers. The Raiders were like this for
a while fan base. So it's just to me, he's

(01:13:45):
just the great unknown. I wouldn't bet arch Manning having
never watched him play.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Really, you got any big season college football predictions bets
that you like? I know you did this for the

(01:14:09):
NFL a lot too, but college football obviously, I think
there's some nuggets.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
But I'm curious to hear you know, your thoughts before
the season. Yeah, I think the best value for national
championship are just going to be Penn State and Clemson.
Given their route, I think it's a lot harder. I
know Josh Pate likes Alabama, but their route is just
a lot harder, and I'm a Kaalin debor guy. I
think clearly it could he gets Ryan Grubb back, they
could be good. That conference is really really hard. I'd

(01:14:34):
say the same thing for Texas, who seems like a
no doubt about it elite team. It's just that conference
is really really difficult. And you look at Penn State,
you look at Clemson, it's like, specifically Penn State, I mean,
look at that. I mean LSU Week one, I mean,
who knows, maybe get a couple of guys injured against them, right,
I mean you look at Penn State, it's like they're
just gonna kind of cruise. So to me, that's much
easier to be, like peaking at the end of the season,

(01:14:56):
right and being healthier. I would say my the biggest
prediction in college football is that John Gruden will be
coaching in twenty twenty six in college and I would
be stunned if it's not the SEC. And I think
the two sexy teams would be Hugh Freese getting fired.
Auburn would be interested, Arkansas, which has huge money, would
definitely be interested. But to me, like LSU and Florida,

(01:15:20):
like John Gruden's no dummy. Like if you had the
opportunity to pick of all the teams that it would
be open, you'd rather go to LSU or Florida than
Arkansas or Auburn. It just gets to you there is
a path for Florida to be good right because of
the quarterback, and LSU financially just might not be able
to buy him out. But I think that John Gruden
will be coaching in the SEC, and I guess you

(01:15:40):
could throw Florida State if they have a disastrous season.
So I at Florida State is essentially will be sooner
than later an SEC program. He will be coaching in
the South college football because I don't think he's ever
coming back to the NFL. But you watch him with Georgia,
the way he talks like I think he's no Dumby,
Like he's not gonna get another NFL JO. I mean,
the lawsuits going on. I can't even keep up with

(01:16:02):
what the hell's going on there, And I just don't
think anyone's gonna hire him. But the college football one
million percent will. And I think the Southern teams too,
like Hugh Freeze was like banging hookers or whatever. They
don't didn't care Petrino if these football programs in college

(01:16:23):
do not care. And the other thing is John's always
been a little bit of a money whore, like ten years,
one hundred million. That's what the Raiders had to get
him to come out from money and never like he
likes his cash. The SEC's got big money. So I
would say, my bigg, I don't who knows college football.
You could convince me like ten different teams win the
national championship, make the playoffs. That's a great part about it.
John Gruden will be coaching in twenty twenty six college football.

(01:16:46):
I like that prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
I think for me, my biggest prediction for this season,
I think Texas saying you get about plus twenty two hundred,
which isn't the greatest odds, but I think for the
College fmball playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Right now, you look at the odds for draftkams, about
fifteen teams are like minus.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
You have like the plus one OA plus one eighty
teams like the LSUS or the Old Misses right in
the middle. I think plus two twenty. I think Texas,
A and M can make the playoff this year. I
think SEC. You talk about one score games last season
for the College ftball playoff. Ole Miss doesn't lose to Kentucky.
Alabama doesn't lose to Vanderbilt Oklahoma in one of those games.
I think the SEC could have got five teams into

(01:17:20):
the College Fotball Playoff versus the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Indiana and the ACC getting two teams.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I think A and M with Marcel Reid, this is
a guy that was splitting reps last year, duel threat guy,
kind of an underrated passer.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
They went in the portal and they got NC State's
best wide receiver. I think people forget Elko was one
win away.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
They should have won that game against Texas last year
for going to the SEC Championship and making the playoff.
So my Bowl prediction would be I think A and M.
They picked eighth in the SEC media pool. I they
got at Notre Dame, at LSU, at Texas, they can
win every other game to win two out of those three,
and LSU in October they could be, you know, panic mode.
They could already have two losses where they're not as

(01:17:59):
great as team as they were in the back end
of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
At Texas obviously will be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
And then I'm gonna be at that Notre Dame game,
So again, I think if they can win two of
those three games.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
I love Marcel Reid.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
You know Elco is gonna get the defense, right, I think,
to me, my Bowl prediction, my big prediction would be
A and M to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
This year, I got one. I've just looked at the
Big Twelve, you know, which is obviously a tough cut,
fun conference, fun conference. I do think the heavy favorite
last year was Utah because they were coming off dominating
in the Pac twelve. They had become them and du
bores last couple of years with Washington in Oregon like
unequal like they had passed USC last year. Their quarterback

(01:18:38):
situation was a disaster, but Kyle Whittingham is one of
the best coaches in the country, and I just think
that I'm looking at their schedule right now, you can
get them six to one to win the conference. And
unlike you know, the the SEC and the Big Ten,
even the ACC, like Clemson is probably gonna at most
one ACC loss, potentially undefeated, like you might be able

(01:18:59):
to get into the conferen championship game with two losses
in conference. I just think Utah is six to one,
which is worse odds than Arizona State. There is not
a soul in the country that knows anything about college
football that would have told you two years ago that
Arizona State would not only be a program a better program,
but a year later they would be favored have better

(01:19:19):
odds to win the conference. And I think at the
end of the day, if Utah and Arizona State play
like ten times, like I just I'm gonna take I
like Kenny Dillingham and everything Arizona State's got going. But
Skataboo was like, I mean a generational player for the program,
Like I'm just betting on Utah. I've seen him do
a year in year out with different players, random quarterbacks

(01:19:40):
and just big time dudes on defense. Like I could
see Utah all of a sudden, we look up there
ten and two and they're in the Big Twelve championship game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Utah is fun because they're another team, Like it's here
when Arbuckle them leaving Washington State and going to Oklahoma.
Utah did the same exact thing and got damp Year,
Devin Dampier, and there is oc from New Mexico and
damp Year is kind of that smaller five to nine
dual threat guy with a big arm, and they have
a really good offensive line, like Spencer Fano, offensive tackle
who'd be the first offensive tackle probably take in in

(01:20:09):
this next upcoming class. Like, I think Utah will probably
revert back after them having eight nine years with Cam,
rising back to when they had Tyler Huntley, that dual
threat quarterback who's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Got a big arm. Like, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
And you know they're gonna have a tough defense because
they have Kyle winning him. You know he's more of
a defensive minded guy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
I think Utah Texas techs weird because there's so many transfers,
and we saw this with Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
I think Arizona State's gonna win.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Personally, they're like one of five teams that are favored
in all their eleven games this season. The Big twelve
will be interesting, But I like your call there. In
terms of value, Utah feels.

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