3 & Out - Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens beat Joe Burrow, Cincinnati Bengals, 5 big questions, Fugazi Friday - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Everybody happy Foghasi Friday, And that's what Zach Taylor's performance
was tonight for the most part, because he had a
stretch in the second half where Bengals fans, I feel you.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
You guys have been complaining to me for a long time.
And that was another game. You had the Ravens on
the ropes. You were killing them until you weren't, and
your head coach slash play caller popped his head in
and ruined your night. And then Jamar Chase try to
save you. I mean, that's Chase. Twenty three catches over

(00:54):
four hundred and fifty yards and five touchdowns this year
against the Ravens. Lamar, I mean, Lamar and Joe Burrow
this year combined playing each other have to have for
a divisional opponent, the two greatest games if you just
combine their stats for the two games they played, probably
in the history of the NFL of a divisional opponent twice,

(01:17):
both quarterback stats. So it was a very entertaining second half.
The Ravens win because their offense is just incredible. Defensively,
obviously a lot of issues and doesn't help that Kyle
Hamilton got hurt. So we will dive into the game,
dive into some other stuff from the NFL for this
upcoming weekend, and yeah, Fugazi Friday. You know, Jason Kelsey

(01:42):
gave an apology for what happened at Penn State, and
I understand where he's coming from. He's embarrassed, but I
do want to just dive into just general apologies to
just people, but not an individual just kind of thrown
out there in the ether, and it just kind of
made me scratch my head. And we've seen this happen

(02:02):
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it for a big Fugazi but stuck. You will join
us as well, picking some games.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
My man.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
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(02:33):
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(03:37):
There's a lot going on. I honestly, I don't even know.
Where to start. So I think what we will do
is we will just start at the end of the
game and then kind of work our way backwards and
then go back to the end of the game. I
love that Zach Taylor went for two. You had to
go for two in that moment. Right You're playing Lamar Jackson,
who at any moment, whether you rush ten, rush one,

(04:01):
can have a thirty forty yard play, and they have
had huge plays in the second half. You had to
go for two. All four Joe Burrow and listen. There
was a play early in the game where there was
defensive holding on the Ravens and it was I think
it was third down. It got the Bengals a free

(04:21):
first down. They scored the next play, so it was
definitely a four point swing. I have a huge problem
with defensive holding. I hate that call as an automatic
first down. I'm all for making it a five yard
penalty and not an automatic first down. But like the
hands to the face, and I give Joe Burrow a
lot of credit, it's hard to watch him and go,

(04:43):
this is everything I want in a quarterback. Well, Lamar's
kind of that right now. But I just mean in
terms of toughness and complaining. He never does it. I mean,
he never says shit. And he was getting destroyed the
night and on that last play he gets cracked in
the face. Now that's not the reason he missed the
wide receiver or I guess it was a tight end

(05:05):
on the smaller dB, but he just he never complains,
and he probably should have because that's a penalty and
we can complain that. Like in my youth, that wasn't
a penalty. But it's pretty clear and obvious. And there
were a couple times on that drive where he's hit.
And to me, the difference on this, like when Sam
Darnold got drugged to the ground, they had to go

(05:26):
one hundred yards on that Thursday night game, this is
a two point play. Like with the playoffs on the line,
like this game more than likely is going to be
the reason that like you look up and they're eight
to nine and they're the tenh seed or the ninth
seed or the eight seed, and they missed the playoffs.
They have lost to the ravens now twice where they
have had double digit leads in the second half, but

(05:48):
like that can't happen, and the ref behind the back
Judge is standing right behind Joe Burrow like me or
you just watching the play. It's like, listen, I didn't
go to officiating school. I've never talked to Terry McCauley
on the phone and got a breakdown on my job requirements.
But I'm pretty fucking sure you're supposed to keep an
eye on that guy and he's watching the pass. It's like, bro,

(06:11):
he's getting cold cocked in the face and you're watching
the ball fly over eighty seven's head. That's embarrassing. I'm
gonna start with the Bengals because I get asked a
lot by Bengal fans about Zach Taylor. In my stance
has been pretty consistent. I'm kind of indifferent. I don't
think he's as bad as they've made him out to be,

(06:33):
but obviously he's probably not as good as the guy
that had a lead late in the Super Bowl and
went toe to toe with the Chiefs a year later
again in the AFC Championship game. Like, he's clearly kind
of middle of the road. I thought tonight was a
pretty embarrassing stretch. I mean, the first half of that game,
the Ravens look like it was a mid August practice

(06:57):
and they were just kind of over it. Their body languge,
which Lamar's body language, the whole thing. I mean, it
just looked like they didn't want to be there. And
sometimes this happens as the season goes on these short weeks,
you never really know. I didn't bet tonight, and if
I would have, I probably would have taken the Bengals

(07:18):
plus six who ended up covering, but I didn't want that.
I just think these too, these games are just weird
short weeks. These guys are exhausted, and the Ravens look
like it. They looked in that first half. It's like
they're kind of mailing in this game, and I'm writing
down notes. I'm like, well, they're about to have four
losses if Pittsburgh wins this weekend, like they play Pittsburgh

(07:39):
in a week All of a sudden, you go, they
could lose the division well before Thanksgiving. How are we
not playing with any effort? And then they come out
of halftime down fourteen to seven. Bengals like first or
second drive, Jamar Chase goes three hundred yards on him
on one play. I mean, this guy, combined in the
two games he's played them, is basically three hundred and

(08:03):
seventy or four hundred and seventy yards. He has five touchdowns.
He's eviscerating them. It's like, guys, how is no one
covering this guy? They're up twenty one to seven, and
you're like, look, everyone's shitting on Zach Taylor this year.
They're about to be five and five. Who does he
really need to catch them make the playoffs? And I've
written him off. It's like the Broncos, the Colts. I mean,

(08:23):
the Jets gotta win like six straight games to have
a pulse. I'm like, it's probably a playoff team. They
haven't even played the Steelers yet. Look at Burrow and
Chase dominating, and then Brown fumbles and then it's on
like Donkey Kong. The Ravens immediately score. The Bengals get
the ball back and actually have a pretty good drive going.
I do not understand on third and fourth and short,

(08:47):
on multiple drives on third and short, Like, it's pretty
basic when you watch the good offensive play callers starting
with Andy Reid, but then McVeigh, the lafleor's the Shanahans.
Why am I running a go route anywhere on the play?
You have on your team, Jamar Chase, I would say,
I'm watching that game that night thinking, can you imagine, like,

(09:10):
has any wide receiver duo ever aged even better as
fast as Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. Can you imagine
some back in twenty nineteen the opposing SECDB coaches during
the week when they were getting ready for those two guys.
Because we all agree Justin Jefferson is the best wide

(09:31):
receiver in the league.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Sometimes you watch Jamar Chase, You're like, I'm pretty sure
that guy is the second best wide receiver, Like, how
do you stop that guy? But the one thing Jefferson
or Chase is great at. He's great around the line
of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Run a quick slant, run a quick out, get on
the ball, and they're throwing these bombs to a rookie
wide receiver. And then they punted up twenty one to fourteen,
where I thought, it's like, you got a pretty good
field goal kicker. I know the field goal would be
fifty six thish yards, but all of a sudden you
could be up ten points. They punt. What happens a

(10:05):
couple of plays later. This is a team fighting for
their season right now because of how shitty they started.
They basically played two hand touch three different guys and
Wallace went seventy five eighty yards. The moment that happened,
you're like, did the Bengals just quit? Like what happened?
How does that happen? And then they get the ball

(10:28):
back again, it's twenty one to twenty because Tucker misses
the extra point and third and short, fourth and short
across their own fifty. They make some, you know, some
good plays to get some movement on the drive. They
throw multiple go routes, so it's like, listen. Ultimately, Joe
Burrow is the level of player, and he's an outstanding player.

(10:50):
He bears some of the responsibility, but how can the
play call come into the headset without just, I don't know,
a scheme like two point play to get us the
first down, to keep the clock going. You're playing the
best offense that you're gonna play all season long. So one,
it's a game of keepaway, which you did an outstanding

(11:11):
job of in the first half, and then the second
half it's like you're getting into a three point shooting
contest with these guys. What the fuck are you doing?
So to me, you're either coaching it or allowing it
to happen. You can't allow Burrow to throw that play
or that that route by the play that you call
into the huddle, especially when you have good tight ends.

(11:32):
You have a running back cook and catch. Burro's been
dumping it down to him all night, and you have
this dominant, dominant wide receiver. Oh yeah, their defensive backs
blow this year. They cannot cover anybody, and you're going
for what you're not. You can't have a kill shot
with fifteen minutes left in the game because the offense
you're playing, if anything, the flow of the game, like

(11:54):
keep slowing it down, keep being methodical on first or
on you know, keeping the chain's moved. Actually scoring too
fast is problematic. It's why he one hundred percent went
for two at the end of the game, because he
knew that one hundred percent Lamar would get them in
field goal range. Now, just Tucker hit it. The way
things are going this year, who knows, but it was

(12:15):
a lock they were getting in field goal range. Well,
don't you have to think that way in the middle
of the third quarter when you have a lead. And
he didn't. I didn't understand what was going on. The
play calling was an embarrassment. It really was like, how
does that happen? How are you not running running the
ball on some third downs to try to, I don't know,

(12:38):
slow down the game a little bit, get a free
couple of yards because they think you're gonna pass it.
It was an abomination tonight in the second half for
a long stretch for Zach Taylor, and he ended up
coming back because late in the game, when it felt
like the Ravens were dead, they hit Jabar Chase on
like a seventy yard bomb where Marcus Williams has no

(12:58):
clue what he's doing and chases wide open and walks
the ball into the end zone. But it was like,
you never should have been in that position. So my
takeaway tonight was I kind of understand where Bengals fans
are coming from, and I think, off this team misses
the playoffs. I think Zach Taylor's is clearly in major
trouble and there's no way you watch and go yeah,

(13:19):
I think people would be lined up to coach that quarterback.
I understand this organization is a little different and historically
pretty cheap with coaches, but sure seems like a pretty
special quarterback and a pretty special wide receiver, and clearly
they got some good defensive players. But this is twice
now where they had the Ravens on the ropes. This
is many people think it's hard to call them the

(13:42):
best team in football, regardless how good their offense looks,
when their dbs are just Humphries can play. But they
lost Kyle Hamilton tonight, who is not just arguably their
best or second best defensive player, he's one of the
best defensive players in the league. It looks like he
rolled as a I don't really know, but then he's
in a boot. He never comes back. I mean, that's

(14:02):
a pretty devastating injury. So he's long gone and they
can't cover anybody. He still lose and Burrow and Chase
now against these guys like that, they can't make much
better plays, and you lose both games, and now you're
four and six, like you're just not gonna be good enough.
It really is pretty sad. So I do understand the
frustration coming from Bengals fans, and it feels like it

(14:24):
starts and ends with the head coach. Starts slow. Every season,
You've had these massive games against Harbaugh, Hall of fame coach,
Lamar Hall of Fame player, and you had opportunities to
beat him, like you were kicking their ass. I'm not
a big UFC fight guy, but it'd be the equivalent of, like,
you fucking need this guy to the head. A couple times,

(14:45):
he's lying on the ground, it's time for the kill shot,
and all of a sudden you just whiff, and all
of a sudden you're on your back getting your ass kicked.
You're like, how did that happen? What wasn't this guy
just about to tap out? Wasn't this guy just about
to pull Anthony Richardson and then Harbaugh, Lamar and Eric
de Costa are hugging on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
So just just.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
An awful loss, awful loss for the Bengals, especially, you know,
a team that looked like they showed up to lose.
The Ravens showed up to lose. But when you have
Lamar Jackson, I mean, these two guys combined for eight
passing touchdowns, quarterback Burrow through for four hundred and thirty yards.
I mean, that's crazy. They can't even block anybody through
fourhund and thirty yards. I mean, Lamar two ninety four touchdowns.

(15:28):
He just he's an unstoppable force. But like, there's nothing
left to be said about the way Lamar's playing this year.
He won the MVP last year, and to me, he
looks dramatically more dominant right now. Part of it is
Zay Flowers a year older, Henry huge upgrade at wide
receiver or excuse me, running back. Andrews is healthy, which

(15:49):
obviously is big. I mean tonight he had six six
catches for sixty eight. The Wallace guy I don't even
know that much about. It's like a fourth year player.
I mean he had an eight four year old. I
mean that was on the Bengals defense. But Agilars made
some plays. They had Deontay Johnson from the Panthers in
a weird way from the Steelers, who they've probably always liked.

(16:12):
But their offense ain't the problem. It's going to be
their defense. And I just think, like, you can't be
a Super Bowl contender when your defense is this bad.
Like their defensive back unit is equivalent to, I mean
the bad teams in the NFL. Yet their offense is
as dominant as you're ever going to see. They have

(16:33):
a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Hall of Fame running back,
excellent skill guys, excellent coordinator. It's like they have a
super Bowl offense. Speaking of LSU wide receivers, LSU last
year had a national championship offense. They had Jayden Daniels elite,
Brian Thomas junior, awesome, Molik Neighbors, unreal offensive stats up

(16:56):
the wazoo. They could not stop anybody. Obviously, college is
different than the pros. And last year with the final four,
you lose games, but like they could not have won
a national championship with that defense. You cannot win a
super Bowl with this defense. It's not possible. Now we'll
see the health of Kyle Hamilton. But it's crazy because

(17:18):
right now your quarterback can't dominate anymore. It's like it's
literally impossible. I mean, the way he dominates on some
of these scramble plays, whether he throws, whether he runs,
it's crazy. It's I mean, he is so dominant. Obviously
bro is too, but he doesn't move. Everything's throwing. Lamar

(17:38):
is doing that throwing. His touch is so great now,
climbing in the pocket. What I love about him now
too as a runner is he's not looking to run.
He's looking to pass And this goes back to the
way I grew up on football. If Steve Young, who
was a lot like Lamar Jackson in the eighties, said
the way you become a great player is learn how
to dominate passing the ball from the pocket. Has learned that,

(18:00):
and he's running at any moment, can just be like,
how did he just do that? But if I'm him,
I'm like, John, what is going on with our defense?
This can't be it? Like, this can't be it. And
I think if you're a Ravens fan, you just got
to keep your fingers crossed for Hamilton's health because your
defense was already pretty piss poor, you know, in terms

(18:22):
of pass defense. And he is just I mean, he's
just an elite player. So that's that's a very very
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Speaker 2 (20:25):
Okay, we did this last week, and I thought, let's
just do it again as we head into week ten.
Let's just ask five questions. Five things that you know
I'm fired up on that I want to see this
weekend that I just I'm fascinated by. And first and
foremost Number one is can the Washington Commanders really win
this division? It's weird right at this point in time,

(20:48):
we all acknowledge their quarterback as sweet, their head coach
feels strongly in the mix. I mean, obviously Dan Campbell's
having a great season as well. For Coach of the Year,
I mean Andy reives undefeated with random dudes on offense.
So I listened, coach of the year, you could have
an incredible year coaching and not win it. But Dan
Campbell what he's done is or excuse me, Dan two,

(21:09):
but Dan Quinn. It's remarkable, it really is. And like
it's at the point now where you beat the Steelers
at home and you're eight and two playing the Eagles
on Thursday night in Philadelphia assuming and I think most
people do assume the Eagles are going to take down

(21:30):
Cooper Rush and the Cowboys, that you have the exact
same record as them in the middle of November like that,
that's pretty crazy. It really is. And it feels like,
you know, like a college team that's like four and oh,
then they're five and oh, and then all of a
sudden they're like seven and oh. You're like this team,
this team can't win the national championship. And by the

(21:50):
end of the season, it's like, yeah, they're just undefeated.
They're in the playoffs. Now they might not win and
probably won't win the national championship byu or something, but yeah,
I have to take them, like you gotta take them
for real. And if they win this game, there's really
no disputing, like this team can win the division. Like

(22:11):
if they win and they're eight and two, then they
play the Eagles, which obviously is gonna be very difficult,
and you could argue, okay, playing at Philly, we lose,
We're eight and three. They still have not played the
Cowboys yet, they still play the Titans, and they play
the Saints, so and then they get Philly at home.

(22:33):
Like I listen, I have been late to the party
on this, have not gambled on them, have been very
just is this real? Like they're a playoff team, Like honestly,
if they win, whether they win or lose this game
at seven wins with some of the remaining games they
have on their schedule, like they are a locked to
get to ten, and I think it would be very

(22:54):
very surprising if they don't get eleven. They beat the Steelers,
like twelve thirteen wins is on the table, and obviously
division and like we've talked about before, the pressure would
be on Philly. And that's where the other question comes in,
Like are the Eagles just gonna go to Dallas and
completely put a steak in their heart? Their season ended

(23:14):
last last week? Right once you lose to Atlanta, we
all acknowledged they just suck. Saw a headline. I mean,
Dak said that like Dak was quoted on television by
lip readers, we fucking suck. He's not wrong. Saw a
headline right before I jumped on here that Dak tore

(23:35):
some of his hamstring off the bone. I can't even
imagine how much that hurt. Like, I mean, the pain
the Dak has to be feeling sucks. And clearly, as
of right now, they haven't quote unquote officially put him
on injury reserve, but he's clearly not playing for a while.
They've won games before with Cooper Rush, but I think
we have to acknowledge a couple of years ago their

(23:57):
team was a lot better. Now Micah could come back,
but CD's banged up. They trade for Mingo. Listen, I mean,
you've got twelve catches this year, so I don't expect
him to come and hit the ground running. As we
talked about earlier in the week, that trade was really
for the next couple of years to get a cheap
player that ideally can be a starter. But like Howie
and Sirianni and Jalen and Saquon can go in there

(24:20):
and just clown them and they are the national game
at for US Mountain Pacific Standard or not Mountain Pacific
standard time that doesn't exist. I get very thrown off
on the time change right on Pacific Standard time for
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anything and we just turn into Mountain standard time. I'm
a West Coast guy in California, where you turn the

(24:43):
clocks back. Here you do not do that. And it
really is. It has me swimming. So that game for
me is a two to twenty five kickoff. I would
imagine it's Brady and Burkhart and a lot of people
are gonna be watching this game. And this game last
couple of years felt like, I mean a really really
big deal. Obviously it was. I mean, these are the
two teams over the last three years that have won

(25:03):
the division. You know, the Cowboys have won this thing
two of the last three years, and it feels like
Howie and Sirianni, are they just gonna blow these guys out?
Like are we gonna look up and this thing's gonna
be thirty five to seven and we start talking like Jerry,
you might as well just put Mike McCarthy out of
his misery. Saquan just going for a buck eighty and

(25:26):
three touchdowns and Jalen just cruising, no interceptions, no turnovers,
just efficient throwing some touchdowns? Is that how this is
gonna go? And Cooper Rush just looks completely overwhelmed. This
thing could get out. I mean, it's already out of hand.
And as I said, if you're a Cowboy fan at
this point, when you're clearly not going to the playoffs,

(25:48):
you're clearly having the season from hell, you just want
to lose out, you really do, because you have to
view this at this point in time. You're gonna have
a new coach next season, so you're gonna want the
best picks possible. Like, Yeah, ask Charger fans last year
at this point in time if I would have said, hey,
you're basically not gonna win the rest of the season,

(26:08):
what they would have said, Well, that sucks, but it's
gonna lead you to Jim Harbaugh and a bunch of
sweet draft picks. Like you're starting right tackle, you're arguably
your most talented wide receiver, Like you can change the
franchise around. So just take your lickings, you know, just
take your absolute punishment as a fan, which sucks but

(26:32):
happens to us all. There is no avoiding this and
once you become kind of good, you never really expect it.
I know people were down on the Cowboys. No one
expected this, and it could get really ugly. Three. What's
Christian McCaffer going to look like? Because last year, non quarterback,

(26:52):
he was easily one of the best players in the NFL.
And I would just say even when he was on Carolina,
when he has been fully healthy, he has been one
of the more i would say, more unique players I've
ever seen. He's one of the best running backs of
like the last twenty twenty five years in terms of
the total package. There is nothing the guy can't do,

(27:16):
and he was tailor made for Kyle. Then he gets
injured and he just hasn't played all season long, which
again no one can exactly quantify what happened. And I'm
sure he's either talking today or tomorrow, and he'll definitely
talk after the game. But like even his dad has
said on podcasts, like, yeah, it's kind of mysterious. It's

(27:36):
just we don't exactly know. So what version are they getting,
Like are they getting one hundred percent I'm healthy, I
got fresh legs, or is this a guy that looks
a little rusty, Because if they do get pretty good
high level Christian McCaffrey. That's a problem for the rest
of the week. I mean this is this is adding

(27:57):
one of the best players, like what position does he play?
Running back? But he also could catch at any moment,
like ten catches a game, and no one can guard
him in the open field. And you can utilize them
basically in every element of your offense. And as a player,
he can run inside, he can run outside, he can
catch the ball, he can pass protect. He is just

(28:18):
the total package. I mean, listen, Saquon is a Hall
of Fame talent. But the one knock on him is
like hands good, not great. And as we saw, he
dropped that ball early in the season against Atlanta that
cost him a game, which you could argue wasn't totally
his fault. The coaching staff never should have put him
in that spot. But that like he has some drops

(28:38):
he doesn't have, Like this isn't Marshall fallk or Laedanian,
Tomlinson or Christian McCaffrey, Like that is not a problem.
And one thing this should help is party check the
ball down, throw it to him and a checkdown goes
for thirty yards. But is that the guy they're getting,
I don't know. I talked about it with Stucky. I
liked them than the forty nine ers to kill Tampa
this week. But I am a little like I'm as

(29:01):
interested as anyone is. What does this player look like? Fourth,
are the Jets really gonna come back and be a
playoff contender? They obviously have no margin for air. They're
three and six, and when you look at the AFC
between Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and I'm recording this part before
the Thursday night game, one of those two teams is

(29:24):
winning the division and the other one of those teams,
I would say ninety five percent is going to be
the five seed. So you're looking at a division winner,
which is going to be the second or third seed,
and then you're looking at the five seed. And then
when you look at the sixth seed, look at the Chargers,
who are five and three play the Titans this week,

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and based on the remaining part of their schedule as
well as their head coach, they're going to the playoffs.
So I think it's fair to say there is one
playoff spot open. Obviously, the Jets don't have a snow
chance in hell to win the division. The Bills, you
could put the X next to their name right now
on ESPN dot Com like they've clinched the division. So

(30:08):
can the Jets get the seventh seed? I would one
bet against it simply because their coaching staff stinks and
they're a team full of mercenaries and if things get hard,
We've seen it over and over they tend to fold.
But they can't lose this game. This is what happens.

(30:28):
When you start two and six. You have no margin
for air. So this is a game. Somehow. The line's
kind of gone back and forth. I look this morning,
I think Arizona was like plus one. How are the
Jets favored? Now? Maybe they will win this game? And
if they do, awesome, You're now four and six, So
you still have to win two more games just to
get back to five hundred. Now, when you look at

(30:50):
the rest of the landscape, the seventh seed is you know,
the Colts have a lot of issues, right, and we'll
see how Flacco plays this week. Right do they go
back to Anthony Richardson? So there are still some question marks.
You know, the Bengals aren't technically dead when it comes
to the seventh seed. I do believe that you're gonna

(31:11):
have to get to nine. So at three and six
with eight games remaining, to get to nine, you have
to win six games, so you have to go six
and three. Can they go six and three?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Is that math correct? If they go six and three,
they would be nine and nine. Excuse me, awful at math?
They would have to go six and two. Now I did.
I do have a couple degrees. Probably cheated a little
too much in math over the years, though I do
love it. I keep my own books here. Actually I've
had an account and he runs the payroll. But you

(31:47):
know what I mean, three and six, eight games remaining,
you'd have to go six and two.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
That was bad.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
But is this team going six and two? I don't care.
If you play, you know, the shittiest teams in the
league every single week. They've not shown a propensity. And
actually it wouldn't be six and two because they just
beat Houston. It would be going seven to two over
a nine game stretch. I do have a hard time
in envisioning that. And that's just to get to nine wins. Last,
but not least, is Trevor Lawrence's career doomed? It was

(32:22):
reported today that he probably will not play this weekend.
He has a shoulder injury. Jay Gruden, John's brother, was
on the Old x app formerly known as Twitter, tweeting
away that he has sources he coached the Jags once
upon a time. The Trevor's going to need surgery. I
think there's decent chance we don't see Trevor the rest

(32:45):
of the season. So this team, who is going to
fire their coach? I would imagine as well fire their
GM and have a complete reset with a franchise. The
problem is you can't reset the franchise because you just
paid this guy two hundred million. So whoever is interested
in coming to coach this team goes. I have to

(33:06):
rehab and somehow create a good player out of the
version of this guy we have seen, who has been
at best average, who makes a ton of money, and
who now has two straight years of being injured a lot.
Is this a good job? Is this a good job?

(33:28):
And I don't know, like even the Bears, right, the
Bears job is going to come open even if you
don't believe. And I would imagine at this point, like, yeah,
is Caleb ever going to be a top five quarterback.
Let's just try to get him to be a top
twelve quarterback. And I've been a lot of guys go,
I think I can create him to become a top
twelve quarterback. Our defense is already good. We need to

(33:49):
improve the offensive line and then have him play within
the system of our operation. That is doable. We're not
trying to make him Patrick Mahomes. Can I just make
him like some verse of Dak Prescott? You know, the
a version, a lighter version of like Jalen Hurts, Right?
Can I can I do some version? I'm not looking

(34:10):
to get Lamar Jackson here. You can talk yourself into
that one pretty easily. You look at the Jags and
you go, is it even in there? Because listen, and
maybe Caleb could never get there, And maybe this goes
down as like, wow, how did that happen? Very possible,
But at least there's a ton of hope there. Right,
He's a very very young player. One season, bad coaching staff,

(34:33):
like we've seen Trevor now with several guys, we've seen
Trevor with like capable offensive talent. The guy's a turnover machine.
And now it's listen, this isn't totally his fault of mean,
his offensive line kind of in shambles. And I haven't
seen the clip of the play in which he got
hurt on, but like he's been hurt a couple times now.

(34:53):
And he makes an astronomical amount of money. So anytime
you guarantee someone two hundred million dollars like event it
comes due on the books, So you already got the
best year in terms of low cap number once you sign.
It's always the first year, and the second year is
probably obviously the second best, and then it starts getting
weird third and fourth year. Well, if he ain't the guy, like,

(35:14):
that's a pretty bad job. It really is. And that's
also a job where people's careers go to, I don't know,
just kind of end. It is not good to become
a head coach with Jacksonville, especially first time head coaches.
So I think there are a ton of question marks
just with this operation and what is going to happen
moving forward, And if Trevor does eventually need season ending surgery,

(35:39):
I think that's even a bigger red flag on this
offseason job. I really do. Let's end it with Fugazi Friday,
and I was thinking about this last week I had
walked in the house from golf a couple of cocktails deep,
and Maria looks at me and goes, did you see
Jason Kelce what happened today? I'm like, what are you

(36:00):
talking about? And then she shows me the clip of
the dude, you know, calling him gay with not that word,
with that word, and him flipping right with carrying twelve
pack of beer, just trying to have a good time,
which I think is pretty insane. I get why people
talk a lot of shit on the internet to other people,

(36:20):
things that you would never say to someone else's face
because you never have to confront them. Totally understandable, like
it makes sense, Like we're at the point now where
it's it's obvious why this happens. It's just a basic
human laboratory, right. But it's another thing to see a guy,
especially an offensive lineman. Kelsey is not small, maybe small

(36:43):
for like NFL O linman Sanders always the knock was like, actually,
he didn't weigh that much relative to a lot of offensive linemen,
but that's not the point here. Relative to the guy's
screaming at him, he would beat the shit out of
them all without hesitating. You could tie his arms behind
his back and he would kill these guys. So these
guys liquid courage him saying it. I just don't understand.

(37:05):
I'm at the point now and I get where he's
embarrassed in his quotes in his apology on ESPN about
just like it was just a bad look and listen,
I don't think it was. I don't think anyone with
a brain has a problem with anything he did. I
mean literally, any if he would have picked up the

(37:26):
dude and slammed him to the ground, no one would
have said shit. I do struggle with apologies like and
I'm not blaming him for doing it. I don't know.
He claims ESPN didn't tell him to do it. Obviously,
Disney kind of a you know, I mean, historically pretty
sensitive company when it comes to shit like that. But like,

(37:47):
who are we apologizing to? Like I get it when
you screw up and you have to apologize directly to
your wife or your business partner or your boss, like
a one out of one apology, like hey man, this
is this was wrong. But when we do these a
public apologies like a shotgun blast and listen, When I

(38:07):
worked in radio, I got in trouble a couple of times,
and I was kind of forced to do it. And
I even remember thinking like like who's this? Who am
I doing this to? Like if I offended one individual,
when he could walk up to me and be like,
hey man, what you said that was really wrong? And
I could be like, hey man, I didn't mean to. Obviously,

(38:28):
you're just gonna naturally if you talk for a living
offend some people or piss some people off, like welcome
to fucking life. But if you had a one on
one interaction like hey man, I didn't mean I apologize
for that, right, just a simple human interaction. But when
we do these like broadcast ones like these, like these
shotgun blast ones, like who's this? What's the point of this?

(38:48):
I just don't understand, especially with something in a situation
where it's like I think you got universal agreement that
honestly you could have. The problem is like he can't
swing on the guy, not that he did, but if
he did, he probably shatter the guy's job. Then you
got problems. But like what he did, slamming the guy's phone,
which was pretty funny. Then he slams the phone, he

(39:08):
picks up the phone, he takes the phone with him.
I just I just don't get these apologies. And I
think we're at the point now with the way the
world's turning. I mean, you just you saw the authenticity
of the voting public in America from California all the
way to New York, Like people are kind of tired
of the fake bullshit all over the place. I think

(39:32):
it's kind of unneeded and a situation like this, like
there's no point to it. There really is not. So
I just I think these public apologies, especially in situations
where I don't know who disagrees with what you did
and I'm not this is not blaming, like I understand

(39:53):
why he did it, and when you hear him talk
like he's embarrassed, and I get it, but like spraying
this out to the world, like what's a point of it?
Like that there's not like, well, you do this and
then this results in this. It just it's completely meaningless.
It doesn't mean anything. So I just think these public
apologies with media people or just celebrities or whatever are

(40:18):
just pretty pointless. Like I really, I just don't think
there's any that they don't result in anything. Okay, back
at it again with my main man, Stucky and all

(40:40):
lines provided by draft Kings. It was a massive, massive
muscle flex week for the gambling community because anyone that
spent a little time on the Internet on Tuesday saw
that the legacy media, which obviously is trending in the
wrong direction, was, depending on who you were watching, a

(41:02):
long way behind the reality in the gambling community and
the odds of poly Market, which I got to be honest,
I didn't know much about until the last couple of weeks.
We're pretty dialed and if you wanted to know what
was going on and who was going to be president,
just get on the internet because the television and then
breaking it down and they're fucking fifty people sitting on

(41:23):
a set. We're just I mean, it was like the
draft on steroids. But big moment for the gambling community.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Stucky, Yeah, I mean just money talks, follow the money,
where the big money is and what people are vetting.
It's a huge, absolutely huge market on poly market. And
I mean I've been watching election coverage on TV for
you know, since I was a kid on the election.

(41:52):
I but you'd just have to know that they're incentivized
to just keep it entertaining. And up in the air
for as long as possible to keep your eyes glued. So, yeah,
it's it's a different world these days.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
You know someone that like you grew up, were you
where year were you born?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Eighty five?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, so we're same age. It is crazy the power
of television and you can feel the death upon us.
And obviously television for our generation was really taken off
in cable TV through the nineties and its power through
most of our adult life and now the transition of
like you didn't need to watch TV to know exactly

(42:38):
what was going on. I mean, and some of these
people that were streaming some of the numbers they're doing,
but obviously they are reacting live to the internet information,
not the information that television is, which obviously has the
Internet information as well. But like you said, their incentive,
it's the highest rated night they're going to have on
the ear. I saw Fox News had over ten million
people watching. So regardless of the actual information, like this

(43:01):
is when they make their money, that's their business model,
and that business model gets more and more outdated. But
you know, by the year now, the draft still is
kind of unique and it's the difference of maybe a pick,
but even that. I mean, I'm with you. I'm old school.
I like a good uh, you know, raw reaction. But
it is difficult as someone that just craves the you know,

(43:23):
current information.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah. Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's it's also just
crazy to think about. So now, you know, if you could,
you could go on to some of these market sites,
you know, during the election night, and you would just know,
it's like at one point Trump it was like up
to like ninety six percent, and all of these networks

(43:45):
were like, it's still too close. We don't know. But
think about before TV on election nights. I guess you
were like the people were, yeah right here before Like,
it's pretty crazy to think about you just a lot
of people just found out the with the paper talking

(44:06):
to your neighbor. That's pretty crazy to think about how
far we've come. But yeah, it's a certainly changing landscape.
And I agree. I mean, I I peak at times,
especially when I'm really interested, but I I do like
the the draft surprise. I'm surprised the networks, don't you know.

(44:27):
I mean, I guess they're kind of you want your
your employee to gain a big following on social but
you know, they're trying to get eyeballs too. I'm surprised
that they'd let them actually tweet out, you know, especially
like the NFL, they have such a control over everything
that they actually let that information get tweeted out ahead

(44:49):
of time.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
But it's been pushing they've been pushing back against that.
It feels like the last couple of years, it does.
The NBA told woes Hell they might have driven them
into retirement, didn't they say no more? And even he
tried to do like the the word salad.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
With a name.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
But the NBA drafted has become so irrelevant because ninety
nine percent of sports fans don't know any of these
kids anymore. Right where the NFL, it's still you got
some of these guys going rogue. The people think. People
don't realize. In the NFL, the reason it comes out
is because there's a person in every war room that
has the computer that is directly tied to the leak.
So when you hand in the card that says they've

(45:27):
drafted John Middlcoff, that you have to let everyone else
know so they can, like all the teams know, and
that's way ahead, you know, that's probably ten minutes as
the draft goes on, even on the first round ahead
of the TV. So you know there's someone in every
war room that can text Albert Breer or whoever you
know the pick is in. And that's where I think

(45:47):
it's really kind of it's grown a lot of leaks from.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
From inside those draft rooms.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Uh, where do you want to start? Let's start. Let's
start with the NFL. You know, I was thinking about
this the Chiefs. It's pretty crazy what they've become. I mean,
they really are the They've got to the point where
it's like, yeah, they're like the Patriots, you know in
the Belichick run. But the Patriots, I mean they lost

(46:14):
a lot of random games and you know, they only
went back to back one time, and you know their
run of the Patriots that I think a lot of
people that if you just brought it up to a
sports fan at a bar, they would think more recently then.
You know, obviously the dynasty spans one to like eighteen nineteen,

(46:36):
but you think of the Gronk, mccordy, Edelman, like that
unit around Brady and Belichick, when really their most dominant
teams in terms of wins and losses were the early version, right,
wasn't that the team that won however many straight games
like twenty four or twenty five or whatever. Into the
next season. You know, they won back to back and

(46:56):
they were just a dominant, dominant team. They usually could
have won the the year that you know, Peyton Manning
finally got the Monkey office back and came storming back
twenty four to seven or whatever. They're get their ass
kicked in the first half. It's like, it's like Manning's
defining moment of his career. I would say even more
than the Super Bowl in the rain against almost said
the Dolphins, the super Bowl is in Miami, but against

(47:17):
the Bears and Rex Grossman. But his moment was that
comeback against that Patriot team that I was a big
Manning fan at the time, and I was like, he's
about to get fucking lose, like fifteen to ten in
this game. I mean, think about the way we talk
about the Patriot dynasty. Now, imagine let's just say Manny
doesn't come back in that game and they kick their

(47:37):
asking me that they destroy the Bears, it would feel
even crazy. That's what the That's what the Chiefs feel
like right now. It's like, yeah, no matter what it's
not sexy or whatever. They're just never gonna lose. Well,
they are gonna lose eventually a game, Like they're not
going seventeen and oh honestly, I don't even feel like
they're going. If they go fifteen to two, that's a
fucking incredible season. It's like the equivalent in the NBA

(47:59):
of winning like seventy four games. You know, that's like
what the Warriors did a couple of years ago. So
you're gonna if you just assume that they're gonna lose, right,
which I think most people, even Andy Reid, like if
you could talk to him in his office, close the door,
He's like, Yeah, we're gonna lose a game this season.
You're gonna get good odds on that game that they lose, right,

(48:20):
I mean, they are going to be like this week,
it's it's almost a three to one money line. And
I do think they're just gonna lose a game to
a big underdog. I like Denver plus seven and a half,
not because I even love Denver. They actually played your
squad pretty hard and I saw it in the first
half and the Zay Flowers thing kind of broke it.
And then the gates opened. But like, it's not about

(48:41):
loving Denver. It's just about the odds of this continuing.
It's basically just a numbers game and you go Monday
night the way they want it in the Rain. I mean,
that was just a pretty big muscle flex in front
of probably fifteen million people. Eventually, they're just gonna have
a game where weird shit happens and all of a
sudden they lose. But at the end of the day,
there's will be the one seed and lose one or

(49:02):
two games on the season, right am am? I crazy
for that?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah? I mean, look they've definitely been fortunate too. I mean,
if you look the Bengals game, they get the PI call,
the Falcons game, they could have lost. They don't get
the Falcons, don't get the PI call, don't get a
couple of fourth down conversions, the Raiders with the toe,
I mean the Ravens with their toe and the opener.
So they've won what for there's six and oh one

(49:26):
possession games. Also, like just looking at injuries, like the
Saint set a ton of injuries, the Chargers, the forty
nine Ers lost all of their weapons in that game.
The Bucks didn't have their top two receivers. So yeah,
they definitely they have too, right, I mean, yes, they've
had injuries too. On offense, I think that a couple
at corner too, and they're gonna get Their offense is

(49:49):
very underwhelming. It's just kind of like it's an efficiency monster.
But there's no explosedness. But they're gonna get better because
they're gonna get healthier and you know, you added Hopkins
and their offense should get better. Their defense is good,
it's very good this year. It see a lot better
against the run. But they definitely benefited from you know,
who they've placed, who they played and when from an

(50:12):
injury perspective. But their schedule is pretty easy if you
look the rest of the way. They have a bunch
of division games and then their non division games or
the Panthers, they're home against the Texans, They're at the Steelers,
and then the one where I think they probably lose
is at the Bills next week. If they take care

(50:33):
of business this week, where'd you say that Panther game
was at Carolina?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
See, that is going to be a spot where you
can get the Panthers like a plus five hundred or
plus six hundred put yourself in the chief situation. In
what world can Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones show up Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday and take that team seriously like they
are human beings. They've already got two rings at the time.
By then, they still might not have a in what.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
After the Bills game? After the Bills games too.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's got If they go fifteen and two, they're going
to lose a game like losen to Denversuh. The craziest
thing division that could be a game in which they
lose or at least it's like ten to ten in
the third quarter because they don't give a shit? How
could they?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, and they just Mahomes has never
been a great bet as a favorite of a touchdown
or more. I think he's like forty.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
The line going to be on that game, like fourteen,
and it shouldn't be that high, but it will.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah. Well, the Panthers' injury situation is worth monitoring. We'll
see if it's Dalton or Young. See how Young looks
like again this week against the Giants. He actually had
his first competent game as a pro last week in
that upset winner for the Saints, but Yeah, this team
right now, it's not a team that you really want
to lay a big number with that they're like I

(51:54):
just said that though, all but what two of their
wins have come by one posession on the season, and
it's not a team that just builds giant margins because
their offense is just so methodical. And yeah, so this
divisional game home field isn't as much Chiefs on a
short week after an overtime game, Historically, teams have not

(52:17):
done well against the spread in that spot. So yeah,
I think it's either it's Denver or nothing here. Historically,
teams on a short week off of voute overtime forty
three percent straight up forty four against the spread over
the past decade. So it's not a great spot for

(52:42):
the Chiefs. You'd expect the Broncos to come out here
with a game effort. The problem is, like no one's
been able to run on Kansas City. Denver needs to
kind of get their run game going for everything else.
So it might be tough, but I think that their
defense can hold its own here against the Chiefs offense,
which is still pretty limited. I mean, if you think

(53:02):
this Chiefs team is we were just talking about Brady,
This Chiefs team resembles more of those in its current form,
more of those Brady led teams that had the dominant
defenses and rabel and I mean they just scored. The
Chiefs scored thirty points last week for the first time
and I believe twenty plus games, and that was because

(53:26):
the game went to overtime. You were like, a couple
of years ago, this Chiefs team would score thirty every week.
So it's a completely different team. And credit to Andy Reid,
Steve Spagnola and that entire organization for building out that

(53:46):
defense and being able to maintain a championship caliber team.
And they know that if they just are in a
close game or get to the playoffs, and you have
the best quarterback on the planet, then you're gonna have
a better shot than most. So yeah, they'll be right
in the discussion. Again, I do I don't think that
they're gone undefeated, but they're just gonna play too many

(54:08):
close games because their offense isn't that explosive and eventually
you know they're not gonna get.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
As we sit here right now, would you say they're
more likely to go sixteen and one or fourteen.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
And three uh, fourteen and three, because if they.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Do go fourteen and three, like they're gonna have I mean,
the Bills, I guess if you lose to them, it's
not a crazy upset, but like they're gonna have a
couple pretty big upsets like Sunday night when or Monday
morning when we're talking about the league, Like, that's a
pretty crazy moment that so and so team beat the Chiefs, right.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, I mean I think they could lose at the
Bills and then you got their favorite of that game.
Do you think assuming health, probably uh yeah, it's close,
top pick on. It won't be it won't be a
field goal either way. Probably maybe Bills mightus won. Depends
of what happens this weekend too. But like you also,

(54:59):
they're remember if that game next week next Sunday, four o'clock,
it's a good one if you have to remember that.
If they're like fifteen and two. Yeah, the last game
at Denver, they will probably lose because they're probably playing backups.
But yeah, I think the probably win. It starts for sure, Yeah,

(55:20):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I mean I would say one of the better games
of the weekend. You could argue it's the best Steelers Washington.
There's a huge reason for this is just Washington. I mean,
they're going to have a pretty you know, this is
going to determine to me their season these next four
days starting Sunday, because they play the Eagles on Thursday night.

(55:43):
So like you could just like this could end for
them in terms of winning the division. Right you lose
the Pittsburgh at home, and then you lose the Eagles,
and I'm assumed the Eagles are going to beat the Cowboys.
That'd be a pretty big swing right there and all
but shore up the Eagles. You know, they have a
clear path to win the division, and Washington's just playing

(56:04):
for a wildcard spot. You win this game at Pittsburgh,
Like my first inclination is like Steelers field goal. Like
this is a spot. We've talked about this for years,
the Tomlin spot underdog, and this isn't like an underdog,
like no one believes in you. You're playing the Bills
with the cheeks. It's like you're playing a rookie quarterback
who incredible season so far, but like a team that

(56:27):
player for player, you're better than I You're like, I
understand Washington has resurrected the franchise. You know, dan Quinn
and Jade, there's gonna be a lot of Steeler fans there.
They just travel well. I like the Steelers in this spot,
and not because I'm like think Washington some fraud or
whatever like the Bears. Just I just like the Steelers
in this spot. That was I saw that numbers like boom.

(56:48):
I gravitated towards to it. Now, you know outdoors Russell Wilson,
whether or to get weird, who knows. Like I'm just
it's not like I'm sold on Russell. He's kind of
the wild card here, but you had Mike Williams or
they just gonna keep throwing lollipops up and letting their
guys get fifty to fifty catches. Now they add Latimore,
who dan Quinn's pretty excited about. But I think I'm

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gonna hammer the Steelers here.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, I'm a there yet. I think a lot of
more practicing. I don't think he is. We'll see if
he practices today. It's Thursday. I think he's important in
this game. He clearly becomes their best corner. He can
match him up against Pickens. I'm just not ready to
fade this Commander's team. Yet they remind me of like

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Indiana in college football, who just keeps covering every week.
The market just can't catch up to how much better.
Concluding myself, it's hard for me to powerrate this team
for two reasons. I mean, Daniels is so much better
than I could have ever imagined at this point his career.
And two, the defense, which many projected as a bottom

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five in the NFL, is trending way up. I mean
over the past month or so, they're playing as a
top ten unit. So dan Quinn's done a tremendous job
with that side of the ball. And then I think
Latimore will raise their floor end ceiling on that side.
And I'm also just not sold. It is a great
you know, your classic Tomlin dog spot, and they'll find

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ways to ugly up the game. But having Daniels' mobility
against that defensive line is key. And you know, also
get the ball out quick and test this Steelers defense
that on the back end hasn't really been tested. I mean,
if you look with what top tier offense have they
faced this year. I mean, you look, they start, they

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played Atlanta. It was a really good offense, but that
was Kirk Cousins' first game back from injury in the
first game of the year, and they ran this ridiculous,
predictable offense. And they played Denver the Chargers where Herbert
and both tackles get hurt in a ten to ten game.
They lost to the Colts. You know, they gave up
nearly thirty points in that game. Lost at home to
the Cowboys, and they beat the Raiders in both the

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New York teams and and that Giants game, I mean,
there was a punnerturn was the difference Giants playing without
you know, their left tackle, and they were they were
moving the ball in that get they put up nearly
four hundred yards of offense. So there's a chance that
the Steelers defense is just a touch over rated. Their
defensive line is always going to be good, and they
can always change a game. And Watt could always force

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a couple of fumbles and get a strip sack.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
And now they're even deeper. Kind of like that trade,
just adding next year, you know, Preston Smith, just your body.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, it can't hurt. So yeah, this is probably a
stay away from me if Washington wins it. If Washington
wins this game, even though it's at home. But I'm
just saying if if they.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Beat Pittsburgh, I can't that that's gotta I mean, we'd
be going into one of the cooler Thursday Night games
in a long long time. Right.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah, we have two two back to back that Thursday
Night games is Rare Ravens Bengals and then h Commander's Eagles.
So yeah, that one, that one should get some eyeballs.
But yeah, and if they all of a sudden, then
if you're the Commanders and you could find a way
to win both those games, you have two home games

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coming up before the bye against Dallas, who's without Dak presumably,
and the Titans. So yeah, you could the division either
could be gone it's maybe a big swing game, or
you could be Detroit for the one seed. Yeah by

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December first, going into December, you could have Washington near
the top, depending on how this next week goes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
You know, I have a lot of respect for Tampa
the other night, and I think Baker's for the most part,
played like a top ten quarterback all season long. His
coordinator Liam Cohen, what he did in that game without
the wide receivers, you know, throwing Obviously, Ouden's a good player,
but I think Liam Cohen everyone loves to circle jerk,

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you know, And I'm probably guilty this too early in
the season, Kobiak or Slowick, Like, I think Liam Cohen,
how good their offense was with those guys let alone
to be competitive, and how good Baker looks. Uh, but
that that's a pretty big kick in the Dick loss.
And that's one of those. And as well recording this,
you know he's banged up, but this is a spot

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Niners getting McCaffrey back. Juwan Jennings is healthy, Deebo says
he's fine. Even Trent Williams in the locker room was
like it's a big deal to look out of practice
and see twenty three running round out there. You know,
sometimes we talk about the trade deadline, and you know,
some of the bigger names that got traded, they actually
got traded a couple weeks before the trade deadline. But
it's just a lot of random names. If McCaffrey is

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just I don't know, close to full health, and if
he's playing like I don't expect to see him like
limping around, he's either good to go or he's not.
Like that's you just can't have a bigger addition than
adding this guy back to the team, just in terms
of what he means for them emotionally, Like I mean,
he's one of the best players in the league. The Niners,

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you know, have to keep winning also, like the clearly
the Rams are coming the fucking Cardinals if they beat
the Jets, which I think is very possible. All of
a sudden you look up, they're six and four, like
the Niners. Margin foreers is zero. I just think the
Niners kick their ass. And I have a lot of
respect for Tampa this season. They got dealt a shitty
hand with their injuries. I think they would have been

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a very competitive wild card team. They kind of like
could have won the division. But I just think that
what happened on Monday Night went out of your sales.
This is a tough spot for him, and I just
like the spot for the Niners coming off the buy
and getting the guys back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I agree. Yeah, I don't mind the overs also, but
that's taking a lot of money kind of getting out
of range there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
But yeah, I would have liked the Niners in this spot,
whether Tampa pulled that game out or not. I mean,
they clearly hitching sinc game for him, like if they
would have gone for two and won the game, which
obviously they should have, but it's just a tough that
Monday night when you're undermanned against the big boy, and
then you win or lose. It's just when you lose,
it's even extra deflating.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Flying home, it's a nightmare situation on spot. I mean,
you are on the road and then have to come
back home with travel on a short week, and your
defense is on the field for eighty plus snaps. They
were on the field of the entire game on the
road in overtime, eighty plus snaps coming home to play
the San Francisco team off of by and this is

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usually when that forty nine ers offense starts to get rolling.
They make some tweaks, especially during the bye week, and
they're getting healthier. This Tampa defense is beat up and
not very good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
For two, right, I mean the two the touchdown play
was wide open, even the play before I fought and
holds onto it. He falls the en zone. Like Liam
Cohen was on he was a like an NBA player,
hit like seven straight threes, Like give him back the ball,
like he's cooking. Let him cook.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, I get like, Hey, I also wouldn't have called
a time They called a time out with like thirty
seconds to go. You didn't need to do that, Like
you just leave as little time as post.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I think that's less crazy, though, because you're a little discombobulated.
Sometimes you get in that spot everyone runs down late.
I think sometimes you just freak out in that spot.
I know it's easy sitting on the couch being critical,
and it's obviously the wrong move. I think the going
for two is crazier than that because how often do
we see I forget exactly how long the play was,
but it wasn't like a five yard game. It was

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like fifteen twenty yards. Right, You're just a little discombobulated.
Everyone's running up. You have two plays called in the huddle.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Right, Yeah, I don't mind the time out there. I
just would have let some a little more clock run down.
But yeah, the thing the argument against.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
What's the argument on the timeout? Go up and spike it,
or go up there and run a play.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I mean I just would have went up, ran some time,
ran some time down to whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, see, but then you can't run the ball or
whatever because you have no time I'm outs left right
if you're at the two yard line or one yard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah I wouldn't have done it, But
that's not the most egregious aniversy going for two. The
argument against going for two there is that if you
do get it then and you kick it to the Chiefs,
you incentivize them to be aggressive, like really aggressive and
you know, to potentially get a field goal instead of
going to overtime to win a coin toss. But I

(01:05:24):
still would have went for two because I mean, you're
also you gotta remember the conditions, Like the conditions weren't
ideal for offense. And this isn't a very explosive Chiefs
offense right of your.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Field goal kicker. What if he slips, I mean it's
a thirty five yard field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Yeah, the Chiefs they don't you know, yeah, yeah the
extra point people forget it isn't you know, automatic anymore
as well, but the Chiefs, it's not offense. It gets
chunk plays the time. I know it's my homes. He
probably would have found a way, but yeah, you were
a beurea eight and a half one underdog on the
road in bad conditions. You have all the momentum, and

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then once that happened, I was like, the Chiefs are
winning this coin toss. But you're right on, Liam Cohen.
It's he's been great and you can look at no
further than Kentucky like he was. He's had two steps
of Kentucky over the past five years. The times that
he was there, their offense has been so much better
than the years that he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So that just wasn't that wasn't that the second whatever
Levis's second to last year there where he I mean
I thought I remember watching him play like this guy
could be the number one overall pick and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yeah he was there twenty one and or yeah, two
of the last four years he was there, and the
offense just so much better, and that points to his
schematic ability. But I agree, this is a forty nine
er spot. This reminds me of I mean, you'll remember
this maybe three years ago, forty nine ers off of

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Bye when they went to Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Oh miche murdered him eight two years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I think, and they just blew the doors off of
the Jags I think was thirty four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Murdered him. I mean it was a it was a
the college equivalent, it would have been like sixty five
to ten. You know, it was the NFL version of
like this is a joke. Uh. And the Niners they
haven't really had that moment this year. That's the one
thing where I think, you know, fans, obviously they've had
the devastating comeback losses to the Rams and the Cardinals,

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but you do feel a little bit better. It's like, Okay,
we've had a couple of games where we've just blown
people out, like start to finish. I mean last year
they did it all the time. And that's where I
think when we led up to that Ravens game on Christmas,
it was like both these two teams like their high
ends really high, and then the Ravens obviously kicked the
shit out of them, and it was like, god, damn,
that sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
But that was last year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Actually, Like, oh, the Jags game was last year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Off the box, Yeah, so same exact weekend as the
Jacks were kind of heating up right, yeah. Yeah, and
the forty nine ers lost three straight going into.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
The by Well, they got d BO back.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
After the box, they were with a ton of injuries,
and then they came out of the by beach Axel
thirty four to three and then ended up winning six
in a row. So this is about that time and
they're getting healthier bucks or not. It's just a good spot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I wonder what the Jags, you know. I saw a
Jay Gruden, who I think was assistant coach there, so
he's pretty dialed in, but he knows the trainer or
whatever tweeted out like here in sources that Trevor Lawrence
is going to need surgery that would end this season,
like obviously Doug and everyone's gonna get fired. I wonder
if that job is going to be desirable at all.

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You have some quarterback whose question marks as a player
is up in the air, and then the guy's been
injured now multiple times. Like that's just that franchise feels
like they're fucking about to unravel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Will Ben Johnson take it? That's the name that cons
no there?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Do you think he would?

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
I mean, based on it's based on what we know
about him, I don't think so, but money talks. But
we'll see that's a name's been floating out there. Yeah,
I wouldn't be surprised if the thing though, I think
there's a ligament damage and Larnce is probably just gonna
choose to get surgery or something. I mean, with the
where they're at this year, you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Know, these coordinators like Liam Cohen now has a pretty
long resume of like he's been to college, kicked ass
like with NFL level guys, made them look better, and
now he's gone to the pros, worked with multiple quarterbacks. McVeigh. Now,
he's clearly like Bowles ain't telling him what to do.
He's running the offense. You could argue like Ben Johnson
has kind of been scared to be the lead dog.

(01:09:29):
We've seen historically a ton of these coordinators that are like,
he's the smartest coordinator, and then they become bad head coaches,
like for example, Gannon, all my buddies with the Eagles
are like, listen, I fucking love this dude. You can
nitpick him. He's not Belichick schematically, but I'm telling you
players love him. A lot of them said, I bet

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he's a better head coach than he is, just like
a schematic genius, and he's proven, Like you watch the
Cardinals player like, I think he's actually probably a pretty
solid head coach. And that's where I just think you
just never know, like Ben Johnson. Yeah, you give him
a sweet offense. He clearly has a innate feel for
being an awesome play caller and Detroit has been an
incredible watch now for three years. But he's gonna go

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to some other team. Well, what happens Like when your
star defensive tackle gets arrested for beating the shit out
of his girlfriend and you don't have extra time to
call because you have to go deal with your GM,
Like you never have to deal with that shit, Like
when Jamison Williams gets pulled over and he's got a
couple of glocks like that, It's like, hey, Jamison is out, Okay,
I don't have to deal with Dan then has to

(01:10:33):
deal with that, right. So I think it's just I
think it's really really difficult to try. It's why we
miss on so many head coaches. You just have no
fucking clue. Or Signetti's a good example, It's like, yeah,
he just knows how to be a head coach. Now,
you never know when you're gonna level up. But like
Brian Kelly Signetti, most guys they just have a long,
long resume of being a head coach, are gonna be

(01:10:55):
good at being a head coach. If they're good enough.
You know, college a little different. Gotta be a recruiter too.
But I just think it's I don't know, there's so
much unknown just because Kyle and McVeigh hit there is
no guarantee that that works, because I would say historically
it doesn't work as much as it does.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I think that that's the case in like the
real world too. You know, I used to work in finance.
I had no interest in ever rising to the very
top and because which would mean like you just have
a bunch of people under you. I know that that's
not my strength, like managing people, delegating, you know, I
work best on my own, just so as it's like

(01:11:32):
a power worker, like here, what do I need to
get done? And and so. But I've realized that and
I just had no interest in doing it. But your
money wise, you're just incentivized to get to the very
top of everything, and that's where you'll end up being that,
you know, manager of lots of people, and that takes

(01:11:53):
a specific skill set that not everybody has and running
you know, an NFL whereization as a head coach is
that it takes a lot and a lot of these
guys that get there, they're like obsessive scheme guys because
they had a ton of success as a coordinator and
that might not be just their skill set with managing people, relationships,

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dealing with all of that stuff. So, yeah, it doesn't
it doesn't always work out, and we just assume that
it will. But as you said, we've had.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Especially for young especially younger guys, right, Like Mike McDonald's
a good example. I think Mike McDonald and Ben if
you give them elite talent, they can out scheme any
coach in the world. Like they can go toe to
toe with Belichick or Kyle whoever, it doesn't matter. But
like what happens when it's like you don't have the
unlimited time to just deal with that, you have to

(01:12:45):
deal with all this other shit like hey, you know
DK didn't show up today, like that, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Your biggest strength. Your biggest strength was like your scheme,
And then you have to take away a lot of
time from what gave you your biggest strength because and
you can't blame anyone. They just want the biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Yea Hey, hey, coach, Kenneth Walker, his girlfriend just started
banging this other dude that actually plays in the NBA
and he can't even think straight right now? Could I
just send him home? Like those are problems that you
then have to deal with and before Mike McDonald's like,
I just used to be deal with the defense. Now
I gotta worry about all this other shit. Yeah, it's
like coach, my fucking daughter's really sick. I gotta leaves, like, well,

(01:13:24):
you're the quality control, Like you just have to deal
with all this shit. And it's why Belichick to me,
like we question. He's obviously a lot older, but you
watch him enough like he clearly, I would say, still
comes off pretty sharp. You one percent know he can
deal with all of it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Yeah, absolutely, And I agree. I think Gannon is a
great head coach, and I've heard nothing but good things.
I know some people, some of my good friends know
him personally as well and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Have nothing People love the guy, don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Things you have to say about him. One of my
really good friends is the best man in his wedding,
So I h I have heard nothing but good things
about him. With that said, I think this is a
good week for the Jets to bet the Jets. I
did bet the Jets. It's a good spot for new
York they needed. Look, they've been really unlucky. I mean,

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like they haven't been great, but they've lost like what
four or five one possession games that could have went
either way. Greg Zerline cost him a couple of games
on his own, and they were you know, they had
a ton of injuries like on on offense, on in
this secondary. They now reddick back like they needed this

(01:14:35):
break and they needed a win against Houston. I think
they'll carry that momentum over to this week. But they
have a mini Bikes. They played on Thursday. They needed
that break so bad. I mean it was a team
that what they played five or six primetime games over
the first nine weeks, which was an NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Right, and they played multiple Thursday night games, right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
And they played overseas and so it was while dealing
with all those injuries. So I like the matchup of
their secondary, which should be healthier here against Arizona there,
I think that they'll be able to get pressure on Murray,
and this Arizona defense is not any good. They can't

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get any pressure, so Rogers will be able to operate
from a clean pocket. He won't be confused by some
of the looks that Arizona gives them. Like Arizona's in
the talented defense, but it's well schemed. They can confuse
some quarterbacks. Yeah, play hard, but you know, it's not
a huge home field advantage here and Arizona. You know,
while New York is the Jets have been very unlucky

(01:15:34):
in close games, Arizona has been extremely fortunate. I mean
three of their wins came by two points or less
when they were down by double digits. You know, against
the Chargers, they've recovered all these fumbles. One in the
last second field goal against the forty nine Ers, they're
getting blown out. The forty nine ers kicker gets hurt. Yeah,
that fumble late and they end up winning in the
final minute. Miami's up ten in the second half, they
snap it over their heads like it's a college game

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for safety. Arizona ends up winning on the last second
field goal. Two convincing wins came against the Rams and
a really good spot you just talked about coming off overtime.
The Rams are coming off overtime loss against the Lions
and all out effort, we're dealing with injuries and then
had to go on the road to Arizona and the
other one was last week against Chicago, who was coming

(01:16:16):
off that devastating loss on a hail. Marion had to
go across the country for a second straight road game.
Locker roomage reportedly in shambles, and they were without multiple
offensive linemen. They were they were without We talked about
this last week. They ended up being without sweat. They
were without briskers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
So that that wasn't ass kicking, bro like that was dominated.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
There's never right off the bus, never ran off the bus.
They uh yeah, that was a tough spot. So and
they just confused Williams. They were just able to get
pressure the whole game too because the offensive line injuries.
So the Cardinals have been quite fortunate if you break
down their schedule a little deeper. So I like the
Jets here, uh as you know, a one point favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I know the Sunday night game was a little bit
of interest. You I kind of a stay away from
me as someone that had a little action on the
Texans on Halloween and I don't know where they sat
but after Thursday night, so going into the weekend, the
Browns had their quarterback had been sacked more than anyone
else in the league. It was like thirty seven heading
into the last Sunday, and part of that like, if

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you watch them play, Deshaun ran like into half of
them like it was a joke. But after that game,
after he got sacked eight times, no team beside the
Browns their quarterback had been sacked more than CJ. And
then I would imagine when you factor in the pressures
and shit, it's it's like it's not working.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
And that game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
One thing that drove me nuts about that game is
like slow, it's as Shanahan guy, you you probably should
have like forty attempts in that game running the ball.
You're your quarterback one. You can't block for him. And
then it's like the chick in the egg. It's like
and he's losing his confidence and playing shitty as he's
getting peppered. It's a disaster, and he was not looking good.
Your running back was arguably like, if not the best

(01:18:00):
player in the field, one of them like just just
ride them like a horse if you gotta get you know,
three straight runs to get first downs. But these coaches,
these young guys are just so quick. Well I'm in
the pass. It's a disaster. And that that's what makes
me nervous nowt of Detroit losing Hutchinson. If he was
playing in this game, he'd be like, uh, J might

(01:18:20):
be in trouble. But he he's long gone. He's still
the league.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
And pressures Touchinson. He's been now for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I mean, it's this would be a field wouldn't this
would be a field day for him. Wouldn't like this
type game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Yeah, that's been a lot of the pressures that are
haunting Houston. The metals, uh, the guards. Hopefully they're they're healthier.
I mean they they're coming off a loss on a
Thursday night. Mini buyers should help. We'll see if they
get healthy on defense. I did play the Texans plus
four and a half, but when this line opened, I
just thought that that was way too many points in

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a pretty good spot. With Detroit second straight road game,
used to coming off the mini bi, I figured they'd
be healthier. He was getting Nico Collins back, who was
supposed to come offy are. All reports were good, and
their offense is night and day without him and straw
By the way, he's been very good as an underdog,
not as great as a favorite, but you got a
top tier quarterback at home. Their offense is also a

(01:19:14):
juggernaut at home on a fast turf, so with the
Lions to be fair, but I just thought it was
a great spot in the lines. They just cover every week.
It doesn't matter, so I mean, I'll probably lose there.
I think they're forty and fifteen against the spread over
their past fifty five games. That is unheard of, and
that it's been a run of favorites. It's the most

(01:19:34):
successful five weeks of NFL favorites over the past twenty years.
That they're just crushing road favorites as well. Just one
of those stretches a lot of variants in week to
week results in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
What do you say that means the public has been
cashing in?

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Oh yeah, one of the best public runs of all
time in the NFL. But I just like the Texans
are still one of the better teams in the league
in my opinion. You're getting them my home catch the
four in and I assumed, you know, even Will Anderson
Nico Collins is the big one. I mean there's six.
I think there's six and thirteen without them. It's and

(01:20:10):
that if you just look at Strau's splits with and
without Collins massive and you gotta remember they lost days,
so I figured he's gonna be back, and he doesn't
practice yet this week, and I don't know if he's
gonna play or not. That's huge, Like I wouldn't love
it as much. I would say, then the line would
probably creep back out to four, in which case I'd
still like the Texans, but obviously not as much. They've

(01:20:32):
been dealing with injuries on defense. You'd hope to be healthier,
but I have to watch the injury report there. It's
generally this is generally just like a classic spot the
lines having great goth has been super efficient. But I mean,
we've got to be reaching the top of their market value.
And you got to remember they've gotten a lot of
help over the past couple of weeks. They played. You know,
in the Titans game, they had the Titans moved the

(01:20:53):
ball will the Lions just had about like three hundred
yards and three hundred return yards. That was like a
college game. They scored fifty two point it's with like
two hundred and twenty yards. Last week, you know, they
got out game by two hundred yards. They have two
hundred yards and one and covered that game, they get
a pick six, the Packers just you know, kiss all
over themselves in the red zone. They were pretty fortunate

(01:21:13):
in that game, and Jordan Love clearly just wasn't one
hundred percent. They faced the you know, the Cowboys who
were decimated and they haven't been very good, decimated with
injuries on defense scene with the Seahawks in a good
sport that over.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Do you think he would have started Malik Willis if
you gave him true seer him he could just do
that over and give him a week off or that's
you know, coach had to start their starter, you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Know, Yeah, and then you got to I think he
would have because you also have to consider I mean,
he was probably just thinking it's like, hey, it's my guy,
and it's a huge division swing game. So I can't
really blame them, but I maybe would have went. I
think you get a true he might have went to
Willis in the second half they were running the ball.
I think I think you tweeted that didn't put him

(01:21:57):
in like and then you have to remember, like you were,
you have nothing to lose, and at that point you're
down seventeen to three. The only thing that you could lose,
is that Love could get more injured on you know,
dealing with that injury in those conditions, and you have
a buy coming up, So I would have given it
a shot, and you can run on this. Last year,
you couldn't run on this Detroit defense. You know. They

(01:22:18):
they did add to their defensive line with Hidarius, so
that they're going to be a little bit better. But
since they lost Hutchinson had some other injuries, you can
run on them a bit. So Mixon could have some
success here. But if Collins plays, I really like the Texans.
If not, it gets a bit if here. But I
still think this line would be a bit too high

(01:22:39):
with where it closes around for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
What if you think about it the Halloween game, two
of their touchdowns, Like it's not like the Texans are
bad on defense. I mean one of the third and
twenty or whatever, he throws it up and I mean
makes one of the greatest catches.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Of all time on the unroll the first.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Touchdown, you know, on a blitz where Rogers, you know,
if he helds it another half second, gets absolutely killed
and he makes a great play that the dB got
a little aggressive, and Garrett Wilson made another one handed catch.
I mean he had two touchdowns. He didn't even use
one of his hands. Think about that. So now it's
that was just a high level NFL play. I do

(01:23:16):
think we have to acknowledge that the one touchdown, which
is like the Odell Beckham on steroids catch, like that's
that was lucky play. I mean Rogers just threw it up,
he's covered, and he just makes one of the great
catches of all time. So I still I viewed them
as having a good defense. And obviously Demiko is one
of the better coordinators in the league. So I don't
hate your mindset there. I just Detroit. I just I've

(01:23:38):
bet against him a couple of times and I've gotten killed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Yeah. Same, But I also expect I expect the Texans
to have some changes on the offensive line this league.
That's something that really could come out of the any left.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Guard position is just whoever's been getting destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yeah. I like you could see Titus Howard, their right tackle,
moved to guard this week, and then I don't think
you're gonna see Green in there anymore. He's been a turnstile.
And you could see Blake Fisher, who they drafted out

(01:24:19):
of Notre Dame promising right tackle. I think you could
see him at tackle. We'll see. I mean, there's a
there's also they had some other interior injuries guys that
could be back this week that could help them there.
But I'm sure that's what they spent most of the
bye week working on. But uh at Nico Collins is

(01:24:41):
just massive, one of the most important receivers to his team,
especially now without Digs.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Okay, let's go, let's go to college. I mean, one
of the best games every year BAM at LSU night game,
LSU catching three points. As I looked this morning at home,
I kind of like the spot for LAS. That was
just my first inclination was like, I don't know, I
actually think LSU, who obviously has been up and down

(01:25:09):
this season, but at home at night. This BAMA team's
been weird. I saw yesterday they lost, you know, this week,
another player, one of their wide receivers out for the year.
I mean, they're so dependent on the seventeen year old kid.
Maybe he's eighteen by now, but Ryan Williams, who's I mean,
it looks like Jerry Rice. But you usually don't see

(01:25:30):
elite programs just writing seventeen eighteen year olds. But kind
of the case, I don't know. I just you remember
two years ago, LSU beat him on a walk off touchdown, right,
I'm watching that game. That was a badass game. But
I don't know. I just I think, if I'm going
to take anybody in this game, I'm taking LSU.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Yeah, I bet LSU here, Brian Kelly, it's a playoff
game too. This is a playoff game. I don't this
is there's no situational advantage for either team. This is
basically an elimination game, both teams coming off of a bye.
Brian Kelly's been really good off of by twenty eleven
against the spread. He's also been really good as an

(01:26:11):
underdog of three or more points twenty eight, thirteen and
one sixty eight point three percent. Look, Adbor has been
great in big games. We saw that against Georgia. But
I think, yeah, I have to take the three year
I don't think that they're This line is implying that
there's like a touchdown difference between these teams, and you
you know, desider, it's of LSU's plus three and then

(01:26:34):
you know death balley at night home field advantage pretty
massive like you're talking near a touchdown. Uh not For
the home field advantage in total, for the difference between
these teams, I just can't get there. I mean, this
Alabama team has it has warts. This isn't your older
brother's Alabama team. They had that explosion against Georgia with
the great game plan, and that could happen here. Like

(01:26:56):
Duboor extra time of repair. We'll see what he comes
out with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
I think was dealing with some bumps and bruises, So
he could be a bit healthier here and you just
unleash him and his legs. One of the fascinating things
to watch is LSU, I'm sure, and their defense, which
is getting better each week under the new defensive coordinator
of Blake Baker. They lost that Texan ang him because
they weren't prepared for the running quarterback. Well now you're

(01:27:20):
getting Jaln Milbro. They're at least can be more prepared.
Can they make the necessary adjustments. So we'll see if
that's the case. But LSU's where I think also has
a big advantage here is Alabama secondary is not great.
It's very inexperienced. You can pick on them and they
have not really been tested. I mean, we saw Carson

(01:27:41):
Beck go nuclear against I mean, it's not like Carson
Beck has been great since Who have they who have
they faced other than Georgia. They played Western Kentucky with
a quarterback who's now been benched, Wisconsin, who's starting quarterback
got heard on the first drive, usf whose quarterback has

(01:28:02):
missed about ten wide open deep shots. And their passing
offense is terrible. Vanderbilt not the most explosive passing offense,
but they put up forty and beat Alabama South Carolina
not the best fastesting offense, which arguably should have won
at Alabama. And they played Tennessee, whose passing offense has
been in the dumps, and they beat Alabama. And then

(01:28:23):
they played Missouri with an unplayable backup quarterback. So if
you look at their numbers, they're gonna be good. But
look look down that list. I mean, of those passing attacks,
nobody is that good. Meanwhile, I let's use top fifteen
across the board. They've had a top fifteen schedule, they've
had the tougher schedule, and they have a top fifteen

(01:28:44):
passing offense, and they have an offensive line that is
elite in pass protection. And the Alabama defensive line is
just not as e leite that's been in years pass
as far as generating pressure. So nus Meyer should have
time here to pick apart this inexperience and really tested
Alabama second are just that Georgia game and then they
played a bunch of favorable opponents. So I think that

(01:29:06):
LSU can have success moving the ball. Now, the defense
the LSU and the one thing I will say they
are missing, there's one of their starting guards is really
good Dellinger, So we'll see if that ends up being
like the weak link of the offensive line, but it's
not an elite, elite Dama pass rush. On the other side, Milroe,
the offense, the Albama offensive line is a problem and
the LSU defensive line is an underrated group that's getting better.

(01:29:30):
So Norah is going to be under fire here. Like
there's gonna be some negative plays that I think can
kill some drives. It comes down to he's the best
deep ball thrower in college football and LSU is vulnerable
to expose the plays aggressive defense can How how many
of those does Milroe hit? And just is LSU's defense
prepared for the for Milroe's lives, and I think it's

(01:29:55):
actually ends up being a good thing. That they got
roasted by Texas A and M and Marcel Reid when
they just weren't ready. I think that before the buy.
Getting roasted like that by a running quarterback I think helps.
But we'll see if they make the necessary adjustments. I
think it's gonna it sets up as a thriller. So
I had to take the three at home with with LSU.

(01:30:17):
This Alabama teams, they looked vulnerable all year. I mean
they there you could argue, and you could say the
same thing with LSU too, Like these two teams have
both been up and down. LS you probably should have
lost a ole miss at home. They probably should have
lost at South Carolina when they got all those calls
they were down big. But Alabama probably should have lost
to South Carolina as well at home. And you know,

(01:30:39):
if they didn't squeak out, He's both these teams didn't
squeak out one of those wins, they would already be eliminated.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
But I think I don't think that. I think you
can do that a lot with college football though this year,
because I could do that with Georgia. I could do that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Yeah, that's but that's that I agree with you. But
I think that that's one of the reasons I just
took the three points is I don't think that there's
much difference between a lot of these teams at the
top anymore. There's not a huge separation, so like, I
don't think that there's this huge gap up close to
a touchdown between these teams, and especially in the SEC. Like,

(01:31:14):
as you said, you can do this with a lot
of the teams in the SEC. It's one of the
reasons SEC underdogs this season are I believe twenty eight
and may double check I think twenty nine and thirteen
against the spread. Yeah, twenty nine and thirteen against the
spread and league play SEC underdogs.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Then do you, I mean, do you like ole Miss
at home against Georgia, because I mean, I just can't
take this Georgia quarterback seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
I mean, he's I did played Mors plus three. Yeah,
I played ole Miss plus three for some of the
same reasons. If you just look at data this year,
Oh Miss is the better team. Now there's you have
to respect. The scary thing here is that and he's
got I think it's gonna be a close game as well.
There's some interesting things A couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
This game is this a night game?

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Elis U's at seven point thirty and Georgia I believe
it's at the three thirty game. Yeah, it's the three
thirty game, the three thirty sec game. This is this
is I think there's not as big of a separation
between these teams. And this is again assuming this is
implying that the difference between these teams is like six

(01:32:24):
points when you account for the homefield events. I don't
see that. And if you just go based on this
year's data, ole Miss has actually been better than Georgia.
And I mean the Georgia offense they've been it's it's
not good right now. They can't run the ball, and
Carson Beck appears lost, he's tentative, he's not reading defenses.

(01:32:48):
I mean, on the season, Beck has more turnover worthy
plays than big time throws, four turnover worthy plays, no
big time throws over the past two games. Last year,
at this point in the season, he had two times
as many big time throws as turnover worthy plays at
and he's also completing just thirty six percent of his

(01:33:09):
passes under pressure. Well. Ole Miss as dominant of a
defensive line as there is in college football. They have
six defenders at least twenty pressure. They're number one in Havoc. Like,
he's going to be under fire here. So I but
the one of the while the two things that I'm
worried about here are well, I guess I should say three,

(01:33:30):
but I had to take the three points. Kirby is
smart in a big game. I mean, he's this guy's
like sixty six percent against his spread against ranked teams
versus Lanekiffin, who's not being good in big games. That
so the coaching edge there for Georgia scares me a bit.
Will George's defensive line, which has been up and down
some games, they some weeks they dominate, some weeks they don't.

(01:33:51):
Will they overwhelm the Ole Miss offensive line? That's what happened,
you know, Georgia dead against Texas. That's the best they've
looked all year in defensive Texas offensive is better than
Ole Miss. The Old Miss weakness of their entire team
is that offensive line. Will they just completely overwhelmed Dart?
But I do think Dark's mobility and his legs are
important here. You need mobility to beat a Kirby smart defense,

(01:34:13):
one of the reasons why Texas struggled so much. They
don't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
But the other thing, the other in Alabama does right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Yes, which is the only team that Georgia has lost
to in years. But also it's worth noting that this
is not a playoff game, because I think Georgia they
just beat Tennessee next week, then they beat Georgia Tech,
and they're going to go to the coltur A playoff.
They're ten and two. All the desperation is all on

(01:34:40):
ole Miss aside. Maybe that works against them, but I
think you're going to see more upsets with teams in
this role than in a new format. But the other
thing that's worth noting is the injury report for ole Miss.
I think Lane Kiffin is just playing games, but he
has twenty seven guys is on the SEC availability report,

(01:35:03):
including his two best receivers who are listed as doubtful.
I think they're gonna play, but and then there's every
like starter is listed on the injury report, so that
adds some uncertainty. I can't imagine like this is their season.
This is like literally their season. They lose their act.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Think he's got to be kirt.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
I assume that's what's going on here. But yeah, I
had to take the three with Ole Miss should be
another really good game. But I just yeah that every
week is making a key mistake or two. It's I mean,
even at winning at Texas. He was bad in that game.
The win against the game where they played Alabama where
they put up all those yards and points. He also
had a ton of turnovers in that game. He just

(01:35:47):
doesn't seem like he's seeing the field right now. That's
problematic against a very very good Ole Miss defense that
can get a ton of pressure up front.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
You gave out a nice little winner at the end
last last week air Force against Army, and then right
before kickoff, I think like it was announced that or
that morning that Army's quarterback was going to be out,
and that was a nice little cruise cover. Uh. They
scored I think what fourteen points in the second half.
It was really I mean, they were they were right
in it. Uh you got any games like that? This

(01:36:20):
week did something of just a little off the beaten path.
You're like, I fucking love this.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
I will say, let's see, it's probably time to buy
low and so high. And when the Rutgers Minnesota Minnesota
has been rolling of late. I do like Rutgers off
the buyer. They should be healthier, but I'll get you
a late night one. This isn't off the beaten path.
But although in the Service Academy games, I don't mind

(01:36:48):
fading Army again this week paved by like six. We'll
see if daily goes. But the North Texas offense is
really good. Army's defense is faced nobody with a pulse
all year. This is like a top twenty offense coming
off of a bye. And I also don't mind fadon
Navy either. I guess I'm being on American this week.
But Holy War Saturday night, ten pm Eastern, I think

(01:37:10):
you got to take the points with the Utah catching four.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
That jumped out to me too BYU at Utah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Was like, Utah has been so bad. This is but
this is their super Bowl, their season. They're coming off
a bye, which is important because their defense needed to arrest.
Their offense been given no help. They've been on the
field forever and there they Their offensive coordinator stepped down
at the end of October. They had an interim, so
now you have extra time to like implement some things.
There's some wrinkles that you can put in. There's the

(01:37:37):
uncertainty with who they're gonna play, even play at quarterback.
It's either gonna be Rose or Wilson. B YU doesn't know.
That's some uncertainty that works in your favor. BYU, it's
been very good. They're undefeated, but this is I mean,
they've also been quite fortunate. Like they should have lost
Oklahoma State, they've won. They were a fluky win against
Kansas State. I mean, it looks like they blow them out,
but they got all kinds of defensive and special teams touchdowns,

(01:37:58):
so they've been a bit fortunate. This is in Jake
fretz lath Or quarterback. He's been good, but he's gotten
away with some risky throws and he hasn't been good
against cover one. That's all Utah is gonna do here.
This Utah defense is very good. I think the Uyu
receivers are really good in certain ways, but they're not
like the guys who are gonna beat just burn you

(01:38:20):
against aggressive man on the outside, which is what Utah
is gonna run. Utah disappointing year, but this this is
their super Bowl at home, raucous environment off of Bye.
I think you got to take the four points here.
And I mean even BYU is like plus seven turnover
March and they're fifteen of eighteen on fourth downs this season,
Like there's some regression coming there. This will be like

(01:38:43):
an ugly game that Utah can just lean on Bernard.
They're running back and against a bad BYU run defense
and stay in this. So I like the utes late
night on Saturday. I think that starts with like ten
eastern seven, ten thirty eastern seven thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
So have you guys, You guys got some late night
games on the East Coast. I remember going out to
the bars in Philly and be like, you know, eleven
o'clock and you look up at the TV on Saturday
night and be kicking off. There's a fucking wild ride
out here.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
No, I like it for that. People hate it, but
I never sleep. But I also like being out at
the bar with the I go out and there's the
games on TV. Yeah that I'm sweating late. But for
many Saner people, I can see why they prefer the
West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
And the good thing is, you know, the the Overseas
game is coming back this week, but it is so
irrelevant that even if you love football, you do not
need to get up even for the first half if
you live on the West so you can sleep in
a little bit. Yeah, well that's a bad game.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Yeah, I will be sleeping in for this one. Another
bad game for the feel sorry for the Germans, and
I guess I always got to give up one on
ugly NFL pick the Saints. I had to play the
Saints this week, catching three and a half four just
too many points. Won't be in pressure interim boost facts
been getting very fortunate close games. All they do is

(01:40:07):
play close games. How to play it? This is all right.
If there's seven straight losses, fire coach, it's just a spot.
I have to play day. I've been hitting this year,
but I have to play.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
It in New Orleans. Yes, okay, well I appreciate it.
Appreciate it and go uh at utah game. I like
a nice tasty uh little little action at night, So.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Yeah, it should be a fun with be a great environment.
But uh yeah, I have a good weekend. Brother. I'll
see you next week. See you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
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