3 & Out - Lamar Jackson and the Ravens topple Justin Herbert and the Chargers in Harbaugh Bowl on MNF - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume, What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three
and our podcast How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is

(00:21):
having a great day, morning, night, whenever you may be
listening to this. I just watched Monday Night football. The
Harball Brothers duked it out and John came victorious. And
we will dive into Lamar Jackson, who I thought was
excellent tonight, Derrick Henry who was also excellent, and just
the Ravens got a very very impressive big win.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
That was.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
A big time win and now they got another big
game coming up against the Eagles and they're just with
the Steelers losing that Thursday night game. Are right in
the mix at eight and four, So we will discuss
the game as well as the Charger side some things
that some good and some bad. Big picture, I mean,
Gym's gonna win ten games.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's the hell of a season.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
With the Chargers out matched tonight as you should be.
I mean the Ravens were favored on the road for
a reason. Do want to dive into some other NFL stories,
A couple other things just around the league. Will fly
around little penthouse in the outhouse and mail bag as well,
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(01:30):
We try to do a mail bag. We'll have one
more podcast before Thanksgiving, and then I think I'll do
something probably Thanksgiving night, reacting to some of the games,
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have Cough on campus for Wednesday, talking a little college football.
But other than that, before we dive into some football.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
If you want.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's pretty crazy that SOFI. It didn't hit me right away.
It's like, wait, they just played a game there last night,
and then obviously on the broadcast they talked about flipping
the field, flipping all the cameras, propped all those guys
on the grind. But that place is a fun place
to watch an event, watch a game, watch a watch
a concert. Pretty sure we got the World Cup coming

(02:29):
right around the corner. Pretty sure they're playing it there too.
So Kronkey kind of battled whether he would like change
some stuff, but I'm pretty sure that he did. So
if you want to go to any event, whether it's
sporting event, college or pro, I mean college basketball is
off and running. Obviously football were coming down the home stretch,
the NFL, NBA, NHL concerts, Taylor Swift, you name it,

(02:52):
go see. I was watching I was down a rabbit
hole on Saturday night and I realized, I remember when
I was young, my parents went to see the Eagles
in the mid nineties and I was down this rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I was like, you know the crazy part about the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Every guy and they had a lot of different guys
in the band over the course of the seventies can
really sing, like carry a song, and it's one of
those things they're touring now.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Obviously they've lost some members like Vince Gills.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Filling In actually played golf with a guy that went
and he said that it was awesome in Vegas. But
I would actually really like to go see that show.
It's not quite the same. But if you ever want
to go to a concert, want to see a band
you'd never know, like you see Metallica, you see whoever
you like. Obviously, there are some bands like the rolling
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(03:58):
we just dive into the game because for three quarters
that thing was intense. It was seventeen sixteen going into
the fourth quarter, I'm like, there's a lot on the
line here, and then the Ravens separated, kind of kicked
their ass in the fourth quarter and got You know,
the final score will look a little different than what
we witnessed in the fourth quarter with the with the
late touchdown for the Chargers. But you know, we haven't

(04:20):
got this game in a long time because Jim has
been coaching in college football. It's pretty cool. I mean
it really is. Obviously, we see it with players, you
know Peyton and Eli, the Watt brothers, you know Steph
Curry and his brother Seth. You've seen it in a
lot of different sports. With two brothers being on the

(04:42):
same field. But for two brothers in Jim and John,
who were born into a family where their father was
a football coach, and then for both to go on
to not just become football coaches because that isn't that weird.
A lot of guys that coach do it because theirs
dads did it, right. I just Brian Callahan, his dad's

(05:03):
a coach. Kellen Moore, his dad's a coach. Even if
you're not a coach at an NFL level, a college level,
a high school level, it gets in your blood, is
what you want to do. But for both those guys
to become, I don't know, two of the better coaches
of their generation. Obviously, John is a Super Bowl champion.
Last year he had what I thought was the best
team in the NFL poised to win the Super Bowl.

(05:26):
You know, for a second, obviously, Jim has been to
a Super Bowl, finally got over the hump and win
a national title. It's just really really cool, and you know,
you see the love and the passion both these guys
have for football. And I remember when I was working
with the Eagles and I was in the box and

(05:46):
Jim and John both came in Obviously John had worked
you know for Andy Reid, you know, in the mid
two thousands. The story about and listen, like, Jim was
a very very famous NFL football player, was a college
football player that no one had ever heard of, who
was just called Jim Harbaugh's younger brother. You know, kind
of had to earn it from the mud. And then

(06:08):
you read about Jim's story, or hear about jim story,
or watch some of these things on Jim story. He
started coaching for his dad in the mid nineties when
he was playing for the Bears, helping him recruit. So
the passion they have for their family, how tight knit
they are, it's just I'm glad we have them in

(06:29):
our life. I got a chance to see Jim Harbaugh
first hand for several years when he was coaching for
the forty nine ers. Obviously, this year his team is
somewhat limited though, going to the playoffs, and we'll see
who they play. They might have a chance to, you know,
win a game. You know, if the Ravens can be healthy,

(06:49):
they are obviously a Super Bowl contender. These two guys
are just badasses, and Jack Harbaugh and Jackie Harbaugh deserve
a lot of credit for just raising to the football coaches,
because I mean they're coaching at the highest level. They
are so successful, and obviously their love for each other,
but their love for their teams, their passion for the sport.

(07:12):
It's like you can't hide what they bring to the table.
Now on the game, you know one thing both these
two guys, they're teams that represent consistently running the football
and playing defense. And that always translates in January. Why
because you play in a lot of bad weather games.

(07:34):
So if you can play defense and run the ball,
even if your team is not as good as your opponent,
you have a chance to win in the NFL playoffs.
And we'll see in college football it's the same thing.
This is not basketball or baseball where it's like we
just don't have the talent and over the course of
a seven game series, I'm going to be at a disadvantage.

(07:55):
You know, in tennis, it's several sets, in golf, it's
four rounds. In football, it's sixty minutes. And if you
can slow down the game and you can open field
tackle and you can pressure the quarterback, you can win
big time games. And the one thing you saw tonight
and I think the Ravens Tonight was one of their
more impressive games of the year. Obviously, they have had

(08:16):
sexier games with Lamar the couple against the Cincinnati Bengals.
He is going to have games even the rest of
this season where the statistics are going to look better.
But this was a game against one of the better
defenses in the NFL. Could not turn the ball over.
You had to be extremely accurate and completely i would say,
under control and poised, which he often is against random teams,

(08:41):
and he destroys. And we've noted against some of the
better defenses over the last couple of years, it hasn't
gone as well. And I thought tonight was the type game.
Now it was indoors, he was in complete control, and
I thought he was excellent. I mean, the touchdown pass
that he had to Bateman was an absolute dime. The
touch down pass in the back of the end zone
to Andrews was just extremely high level NFL football. He

(09:06):
did not put the ball in Harm's way. He obviously
had the rushing touchdown as well. As you know, Derrick
Henry dominated on the ground and offensively. And here's the thing,
like their defense has been a major question Mark, and
I don't think we learned that much against this opponent.
We will learn more this upcoming week when they play

(09:28):
the Eagles that have much more firepower. Right, But if
their defense can just be solid, it all comes down
to Lamar in the offense, because if they are good, Belichick.
I was at the gym today and Belichick came on
Pat McAfee and they were talking about this game, and
he's like, you know, the crazy thing about Baltimore, they're
probably the only team in the NFL that when they

(09:51):
are right, and maybe you could throw the Lions in
here as well, but he mentioned maybe he was just
talking about the AFC. They could beat every team they
play by fourteen plus points and no one would be surprised.
And tonight that's kind of essentially what they did is
they started separating in the second half or in the.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Fourth quarter because of the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Because he's such an unstoppable scramble thrower, offensive weapon. And
then you saw Derreck Henry in the open field. This
Chargers defense is really really good. They're physical, they tackle
well in the open field, and they look like me
trying to tackle the guy because he is just throwing
guys to the ground that have him just one on

(10:31):
one in the open field, and you can see it
from your coucher, like that guy's got no shot and
he just warmed down. And I think you saw tonight,
like the Chargers do not have enough offense to beat
to me teams like the Ravens and the Bills. They
are just too explosive on offense, can score too many points.

(10:51):
If the Chargers are gonna beat a really good team,
they actually probably have to win the game, like you know,
nineteen sixteen, twenty two to eighteen, you know, just a
low scoring affair. Honestly, they match up the best of
all the good teams against the Chiefs because they can
play in just an ugly mucket up game. Now we

(11:14):
will see what happened to JK. Dobbins, but it's just
hard over the course of sixty minutes to just hold
this Ravens team because the offense is so explosive with
the quarterback and once that guy gets moving, man, he
is just I just don't think we're ever going to
see anything like him again, which is ironic because the
best running back prospect in the draft who is completely

(11:37):
dominating a lot like Derrick Henry did in college at
Boise State, Ashton genty word on the street, he's like
shade over five to seven. He's actually tiny, right, but
like they all come in different shapes and sizes and
gent breaks tackles left and right. This guy, when he's
one on one with these defenders, linebackers and dbs are

(11:58):
like he is so much much bigger and he's gonna
toss him to the ground and he just does it
so violently. Where Lamar has the stiff arm, that's like
the backpedal, push your head down while I keep my
eyes up. Tonight was you know, this is the thing
about Lamar, Like everyone gets on their knees and circle
jerks these huge stat games against random teams. To me,

(12:21):
tonight was a type game where it's like that's a
high level performance. That's like playoff level, championship level type shit.
If you play like that in January, the Ravens can
beat anybody. And that guy that we just saw, like,
I don't care what he does to the bad teams.
I liked watching him against the best defenses and play

(12:42):
like this, And clearly as the game win, he got
more and more comfortable, and I that throw to Mark
Andrews was just like he was on he was on. Now,
his stats, like I said, are not going to be
comparable to some of the games this year. I don't care.
That's his good as it gets tonight from Lamar Jackson.
Obviously Derek Henry having him. Isn't it crazy that I

(13:05):
was thinking about it when Derek was busting out with
some of his big runs, it was like, what are
you even supposed to do? Meanwhile, Harbaugh's handed in to
like JK. Dobbins, good player who gets injured, and then
Gus Edwards, two guys that you know over the course,
essentially Derek's replacing like that was a Raven's backfield once
upon a time, two little, bruising, good, good players, but

(13:27):
not this Hall of Fame level guy is for Saquon,
who got a lot more than Derek. Obviously he's younger,
but the two guys combined got like thirty five million
dollars guaranteed. It's pretty crazy. I mean, they've easily been
two of the better players in the National Football League

(13:49):
any position, including quarterback, and in these physical games like
when you muck it up and if you're a playoff contender,
you were going to play in some games against really
good defenses. Do you just have a horse you can
hand it to, because that guy then makes the life
easier on the quarterback because what happens tonight, Lamar doesn't
have to throw it as much. What did they do tonight?

(14:11):
They had thirty six rushing attempts and twenty two passing attempts.
And last week when they lost, when they lose the
Steelers a couple two weeks ago, the stack came out
that he was two and four. When they have more
passing attempts, when Lamar does, then the team does rushing attempts.

(14:33):
This is their strategy. Now you might get into a
game where the numbers close to equal or maybe more
passing attempts. If Lamar plays like he did tonight, completely
under control, they'd be fine.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
They'd be fine.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I still have question marks about their defense because when
we're headed to the fourth corner in seventeen to sixteen,
I'm googling. I'm like the Ravens defensive staff in twenty
twenty when Wink Martindale was the defensive coordinator. Their dB
coach was Jesse Mintter, who is gonna interview with countless
teams this offseason for a.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Head coaching job.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Will he get one or not, I don't know. He
might be a year away, but he's going to interview
this year. And Mike McDonald, who last year when he
was the defensive coordinator for the Ravens, people on the
staff called him boy genius. He's now coaching Seattle, who
has a lead in the NFC West, and I think
they might win it. If I was a betting man

(15:28):
right now, I'd probably bet on Seattle to win the
NFC West. So they had Mentor and him as two
position coaches. And this is the thing with the Harball brothers,
like neither guy is calling place. John Harbaugh is not
the defensive coordinator, not the offensive coordinator. Obviously, Jim is
just the CEO leader of men. They are elite at

(15:51):
hiring coaches, they really are. They are so damn good
at that. And it's not shocking when you watch tonight, you're.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Like, God, these teams are so well coached.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
They're just playing so hard. They tackle so well. I mean,
it was the first game that the Ravens have tackled
well in the backfield in a while. They just feel
like a just a high level operation and one skill.
I don't know if Jack taught them this. They are
really really good at identifying coaches, and obviously, you know,
John has the Ravens organization, which has produced coaches.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
For a long long time.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I mean, going back before John even got there with
Brian Billick. Like a lot of high level coaches have
started off as position coaches there gone on to be
defensive coordinators. It's been a breeding ground for defensive coaches
to start coaching linebackers, defensive line or dbs and shoot
right up the chain and become head coaches all the
way back to you know, Rex Ryan way back in

(16:46):
the day, or Mike Nolan. I mean you can go
back to the early two thousands, but you know they're
doing it again. I mean Mintor was John harbass guy.
Mike McDonald was John harbass guy.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Even Or.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
This year's taken a lot of shit, which I do
understand because their defense was so freaking good last year.
I mean it's easily one of the better defenses of
like the last twenty years, not even just statistically where
they rank scoring defense, but when you just watch them play.
It's why I was on a couple of text chains

(17:19):
tonight and it's like was last year, their chance to
win it all because their defense was clearly better. But
again it all comes down if a Lamarkan played a
high level, this team could beat anybody. And we saw
them curb stomp the Bills, and this week I'm fascinated
to watch them play the Eagles, where when you look
at the Chargers, I think that whoever they match up

(17:43):
against in round one is going to be very interesting.
We'll have to see who wins this division now in
the North, because there's a very good chance that if
the Chargers are the sixth seed, they played the three
seed that is the AFC Nord champion. Now, it looked

(18:03):
like Pittsburgh after they beat Baltimore was going to head
to that pretty easily. Then all of a sudden, Thursday
Night happened and then the Ravens win the night and
you're like right there, And if the Ravens were to
beat Philly then they go on a bye, they would
be nine to four. And the Steelers next two games
are at Cincinnati, which is no easy test the way
their offense is playing, and then Cleveland, which we see

(18:25):
how difficult these divisional games are. So and then they
have to play Philly, so before the Ravens play Pittsburgh,
so they have three games to the Ravens two, which
is the Eagles and the Giants. And if the Chargers
played the Ravens in the first round as the three
to six, I would imagine the Chargers are one and done.

(18:46):
I would like the Ravens in that matchup. If it's
vice versa and the Ravens are the five seed and
they're playing the Texans, I think a lot of people
would bet on the Ravens to win that game. And
as Chargers playing the Steelers, like that's a very, very
winnable game, and I think there would be a lot
of money coming in on the Chargers if it was
like plus four, right or plus three and a half,

(19:08):
and who knows, maybe it'd be even a little lower
in that, maybe be under a field goal. But like
they would need a matchup like that where it's like, hey,
we're both gonna try to play in the teams and
just see who can make the play in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
We're kind of mirror.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Images of each other, and listen, I would say Harball
Mike Tomlin would be cancel each other out and I
would take justin Herbert over Russell Wilson every day of
the week and fifty times on a Sunday. And that's
not a shot at Russell Wilson. But in twenty twenty four,
I think there's not a general manager, head coach in
the NFL that would disagree with me, and that would

(19:41):
also include everyone involved with the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
But I think the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Are gonna be very matchup dependent, like they're gonna play.
They're gonna be very comfortable actually in their divisional games
when they play Denver, not counting the Raiders, who are
basically a JV football team right now, but counting Denver
and the Chiefs, who all kind of play the same way.
Really good defense, ugly offense, just execute down the stretch
and try to win by like, you know, five to

(20:07):
seven points, and like they play tonight, it was they
were just trying so hard to keep it close, to
keep it close, and then they just couldn't because you know,
their number one wide receiver who's probably gonna be a
really good player is lad McConkey. And one thing, big picture,
this team's gonna need to do because defense is not
gonna be an issue. It never is with Jim Harball.
Running the ball is not gonna be an issue. It

(20:28):
never is with Jim Harball. They're going to have to
add a good tight end and a wide receiver because
you saw Quinn Johnson. It's not their draft pick that
te LESCo took last year in the first round, who
looked like he was showing signs of life this season.
I think he has five touchdowns maybe six coming into
this game. Was an utter disaster tonight. He dropped a

(20:48):
massive first down when the game was actually still in
the balance. Lamar had just scored to make it a
twenty three to sixteen game, and the Chargers were driving,
and they just ran this crossing route and whatever defense
the Ravens were running. I mean, like a lot of
times this year, there was no one really around him,

(21:09):
and as Akman said, if he catches that, there was
a lot of green turf. Now I don't know if
he scores, but it definitely is an explosive play because
the guy can run and who knows, you know, the
Chargers down six and maybe the game turns out differently.
Instead goes right through his hands, and that was kind
of I thought the moment the game flipped a little
bit and then the Chargers ran out of air because

(21:30):
they don't have the margin for air because they don't
have Zay Flowers and Bateman and Mark Andrews. Like they're
just not And once JK. Dobbins goes out there, their
offense just does not feel explosive. It's Herbert just kind
of scrambling around getting chased by Ravens throwing it to.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Palmer.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean, you know, Maconkey, that's what their limitations are.
And I think that's gonna be a big point of
emphasis this offseason, not that they have to break the
bank and buy some white receiver, because I don't expect
them to like figure out a way to pay T Higgins.
I Jim Harbaugh has shown that is not the position

(22:09):
that he emphasized. I do wonder though he has never
had a quarterback like this, and you know his defense
is gonna be good, but you have to have more
offensive firepower, especially in a conference when you view your
guy as every bit as good as these other guys,
or at least talented enough to go toe to toe. Well,
they're gonna have weapons, like moving forward, This is the

(22:30):
worst the Chiefs offense is ever gonna be personnel wise,
Google some of the guys Andy Reid has had over
the years, Like he gets aggressive on offense.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Obviously, the Bills, you.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Know they trade for Amari Cooper, they got Keon Coleman.
Shakiir's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
They got cooked.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Like their offense is gonna be good. The Bengals, their
offense is good. The Ravens not going anywhere. The Broncos
are probably only gonna add on offense. So I know
it's not Harbaugh's first maneuver and the first thing he
wants to do. I do think they're gonna have to
find some balance because this team is gonna be in

(23:04):
position these next couple of years to be very, very competitive,
and the difference is going to be if you struggling
to score fifteen points in these playoff games, sure you're not.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Gonna be able to win.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
So I really enjoyed the game tonight. I like an
old school physical guys just getting blasted. We don't get
that enough, and that's part of like when you watch
certain teams like the Chargers of the Chiefs, you just
get those versions of football games. So congrats to the Ravens.
That's a big road win and cool moment for John

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Speaker 2 (25:11):
A couple other quick.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Topics around the National Football League. The Jets hired the
thirty third team, which is owned by Mike Tannenbaum, who
I personally know because when I got out of football,
he got out of football, he started to become an
agent and representing coaches and media people, and someone put

(25:35):
me in touch with him, and he represented me for
some radio contracts, not that I really needed it. It
was honestly kind of stupid on my part, but I
just got the Dome.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
And you know.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
He always he loves the business of football, obviously stayed
very close to it working at ESPN, and he clearly
likes Woody Johnson a lot, and Woody Johnson thinks highly
of him, him and Rick Spielman. Here's my one question, though,
if I'm Woody Johnson and my job.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Is basically just to own the team.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Wouldn't I constantly especially this year when I came into
the year with like, I have a general manager on
a expiring contract. I think Douglas's contract. I don't know
the exact date, but whether it went through the draft,
like they weren't going to extend him, and a coach
that clearly would he didn't like. Wouldn't I be making

(26:30):
some phone calls, like just in the summer, or having
someone do that and just put together a list of
like here are the top five or six guys I
should interview for general manager and the top five or
six guys I should interview for head coaching jobs. It
doesn't feel like it should be that difficult. It really doesn't.

(26:52):
I often think this about athletic directors. If I'm the
athletic director at school X, that's power for right, whether
it's Texas or whether it's you know, pick a smaller
version at Texas.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Tech.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Isn't part of my job to be dialed in on
people I would want to interview if I have to
fire my coach or my coach leaves, so like, I
don't quite understand not feeling good about like who I'm
going after or at least have a list of people
on both sides of the ledger coach and executive that I.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Want to talk to.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
And if I'm so out of the loop because I'm
just a super rich guy that's not paying that much
attention beside to my team, Okay, somewhat understandable. Well, we
read that article from Diana Russini that when he had
the meeting trying to bench Aaron Rodgers, there are seventeen
people in the meeting room, and four or five of
them were like his cronies. Wouldn't what are they on

(27:53):
the payroll for? They can't just be selling season take
us twenty four to seven, three sixty five. Wouldn't I
have a right hand guy that I would give that
responsibility to. So I mean props to Tannebaum and Spielman for,
you know, getting hundreds of thousands of dollars I'm sure
to be part of this consulting operation. But I think

(28:15):
it's more reflection on the Jets. Shouldn't they be able
to figure out the right guys to be all this
isn't It's not like a cloak and dagger situation where
you're just in the dark, like what do I do?
It's pretty fucking clear, especially from a coaching standpoint, but honestly,
even the general manager standpoints, like who are some of
the best teams, the Ravens, the Eagles, Like when they

(28:39):
hired Joe Douglas, pretty self explanatory. He was the number
one guy or the right hand guy to Howie on
one of the best teams in the league. Usually what happens,
it's not often where you're like, well, uh, let's go
to the bottom three teams and let's interview their assistant gms,
Like the same guys get interviewed coming from successful operations,

(29:02):
so that one's a little bit of a head scratcher
to me. I don't pretend to be in the know enough,
because we've seen the Bears have done this before. People
love hiring consultants to help them out with their search. Well,
they're really just gonna funnel them guys that they like, Like,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Your job to hire the guy that you like?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Like, listen Josh Harris last year, what does he do
as Bob Myers, But like, Bob still hangs out them.
Bob didn't have a job. Bob's not like a consultant.
It's like, hey, Bob, you just know people. Can you
help me run a search? Like you just come work
for us, not like consult Like I want you to
be part of this operation. I want to lean on you,
and clearly does because I think was the Eagle game

(29:47):
on Thursday night, Bob was sitting right there with Josh Harris,
so I don't know. And speaking of coaches, you know,
it's it's really funny that it's never easier easy firing
people if you like them, right, you read about headlines
Major Fortune, five hundred companies. If you work in certain industries,

(30:10):
you get texts about so and so has been laid off.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Then you know them.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's just it's a shitty feeling when you see someone
lose their job. And anyone listening to this, whether you
own a company or whether you're a management or HR position,
it's not a fun position to be in when you
have to tell someone they're being let go.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's just it's bad.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
And clearly the Bears have a lot now. Some industries
are a little different than others, Like if you work
in coaching, you're kind of hired to essentially be fired.
I mean Andy Reid and Bill Belichick have been fired,
so Matt Eberfluss shouldn't lose that much sleep knowing that
he's going to get fired sooner or later. But clearly

(30:54):
the Bears like the guy, which understand. I bet he's
a really nice guy from Matt eber flush just still
have a job. And obviously you can't fire him this
week because it's a Thursday night game. Probably should have
fired him when you fired Shane Waldron. Wasn't that the move? Like,
what's the point of delaying this, because here's the thing

(31:15):
I will respect about the Jets who the story game
that Woody Johnson helicopter to practice and fired Joe Douglas
like last Tuesday. Once you fire everybody, you don't have
to hide anything, right. The Bears are riding these lists
Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren in their office when no

(31:37):
one's looking, they kind of look around, they're kind of
dim the lights and they're writing, like Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel,
they got a little list or something in their notepad.
When you just tell him, hey man, we appreciate everything
you did. You tried hard. It just wasn't good enough.
It just wasn't even remotely close to good enough. I
saw a clip I didn't have a game audio on,

(31:58):
but he threw a challenge flag yesterday on a Jordan
Addison explosive play that obviously wasn't a play that should
have been challenged, and they asked him after the game, like,
why did you do that? He's like, we just like
challenging explosive plays, and I honestly I had to look twice.
I'm like, is this Ai? Did he really just say this?

(32:18):
I mean, this guy so over his head. And this
is where you get in these positions where someone's completely
over their head in a situation or in a job
like this, where it's like we all start getting embarrassed,
Like this starts getting really really bad, I mean really
really ugly. The coaching going on right now for the Bears. Like, sorry,
Chicago fans, I could have told you. Richard high Tower

(32:40):
was the special teams coach for the forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
For a while.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
We used to have a thing where we just scream
out high Tower every time there is a fuck up,
and usually it's multiple.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Times a game.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Well, obviously, in the game against the Vikings, you had
a muff punt where a guy basically called get away
Peter get Away and he just got a there and
the ball hit him and the bikeings landed on it.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
You don't see that very often.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
And they have the same thing happened to them on
a block kick that literally just happened to them. They
cost him a game in the week before. So you
can't even I just don't get what's going on, And
I feel bad for Bears fans because I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's gonna if it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
You know what's funny is like to be a football coach,
for the most part, you gotta be a tough, crazy guy, right, Like,
Let's use Antonio Pierce for an example. Like, no one
can argue like Antonio Pierce is legitimately tough. We have
seen him play middle linebacker in the National Football League.
He's a tough guy. Like if you just compared, like
who is physically tougher, Antonio Piers or William Belichick, you'd go, well,

(33:46):
Bill would get his ass kicked by Antonio Pierce. Complete
agreement by everybody. Yet Antonio Piers coaches like he is
terrified of doing anything wrong. He's constantly kicking field goals,
he's running out claw he's an embarrassment when it comes
to making decisions. And Belichick historically has some of the

(34:06):
biggest kahonas the biggest set of balls in NFL history,
So having balls when you're a coach has nothing to
do with like how tough of an actual guy you are? Right,
Dan Campbell has pretty big balls. Sometimes it's a little reckless,
but no one ever argues like Dan Campbell does not
coach scared. John Harbaff forever was always like.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
This guy's crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Say that's about Sirianni. Now is Sirianni actually making decisions?
I think he's being told to make these decisions. But
either way, and Dan Quinn, who when you just watch
his teams the last several years on defense, you go,
this guy, this guy can still toughness, like he's crazy,
little ball guy backwards hat and his team's flying around

(34:50):
with their hair on fire. And I don't think it
quite hit me because one I screwed up. I turned
the television off the game because I assume it was
over before Jayden Daniels hit Terry McLaurin for I would
say probably if you were watching it live, one of
the coolest plays. And then I also missed live the

(35:11):
field goal that was missed, which watching it not live,
honestly is such a letdown because you know, you miss
that high that everyone got to experience, and it still
pisses me off more than twenty four hours later. God,
I'm just I'm an idiot. I clicked off the four
box to go to the individual box to the freaking
Bears game because it was headed to overtime. But regardless,

(35:36):
when they scored the touchdown with Terry McLaurin to go
down twenty seven to twenty six, they had twenty one
seconds left and it didn't quite hit me. I guess
we might have talked about it last night before we
recorded my podcast at night.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Why didn't he go for two?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And he talked about it after the game or today
when he was addressed in the media. That never crossed
his mind to go for two. His field goal kicker
has been a disaster. His quarterback, like Lamar to I like,
if you get him on the run on these two
point plays is very, very dangerous. Help they had scored
on one earlier. You also have nothing to lose, like

(36:21):
this year, you have no expectations. Winning ten games might
get you like a contract extension. So this guy that
just a couple of weeks ago on Thursday night against
the Eagles, we was to score twelve to ten, and
he was driving went for it. You know why, because
there wasn't that much pressure late in the you know,

(36:41):
ten minutes laughter or whatever in the fourth quarter. I
forget the exact time on the clock. But if you
lost the Eagles, no one holds it against you. It's
easy to be free and easy. It actually doesn't take balls.
You could argue it was just stupid to make that
decision against the Eagles because you actually have a chance
to win where the Cowboys, where there is pressure, because
if you do lose to the Cowboys, everyone's gonna say

(37:03):
you choke because you should have beat them. You're favorite,
They're terrible. They got their backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
He puckered up.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
And that's what I find funny about some of these coaches.
It's like they get loose when it's.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Easy to be loose. It was easy to be loose
against the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
They were a massive underdog. Yet against the Cowboys in
a game that everyone thought they were gonna win, he
wasn't loose, and he wasn't this kind of gunslinging.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Guy with big.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Balls, and he coached. I would say, I don't want
to say scared, but he took the easy way out
and it cost him because it actually wasn't because the
kicker is so terrible and the ball never given a chance.
So I think dan Quinn would have to want that
one back. Okay, let's do to me the Penthouse. When

(37:53):
it comes to the NFL and the top teams, I
think the NFC right now, if the Eagles or the Lineans.
If the Super Bowl was tomorrow and I said you
could pick between four or five teams in the AFC,
the Chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens, the Steelers, the Chargers,
the Broncos, the Texans, basically the group of teams that
are going to make the playoffs. The Lions and the

(38:16):
Eagles would be favored against all those teams. Depending on
the matchup, the Lions would be heavy favorite. And I
think the way the Eagles are playing right now, I
think the same thing were last year. Going into even
the final four, You're like, the Ravens are going to
be favored against whoever they play, and the Chiefs are
going to be an underdog to either the Lions, or

(38:36):
the forty nine ers. So to me, Philly, I haven't
been hesitant to put them on the Lions level, but
there is no denying right now that they look fucking awesome.
The Lions have been good going back to last year,
they have been consistently awesome. They have won every single weight.

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There's nothing else to say about them. I think they
if you were doing a power ranking of one through five,
they would have to be.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
The number one team in the NFL right now.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I think, if we're just being real, I think you'd
probably have to put the Eagles number two because, like
I said, I think they would be favored against all.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Those teams in New Orleans if the game was next week.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
And then I think the AFC, like I don't feel
great about the Conference one. I think it's wide open.
All four teams could win this thing, maybe five, right obviously,
the Chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens, you know, if the Steelers,
I thought maybe, and then you watch the other night

(39:37):
against the Browns, like, I don't know, I thought the Chargers.
It's like, is it crazy that the Chargers could be
in the AFC championship game? And then you watch them
play like, oh, they don't have enough offense. You'd be
hard pressed to see a rookie quarterback and bow Knicks
get that far, but their defense is really good. It
might just be the Bills, the Chiefs and the Ravens.
And I know the Steelers beat the Ravens. We'll see

(39:59):
if they play again. In hell, they might end up
playing three times. I just have a hard time picking
Russell Wilson over over Lamar though. The one thing Steeler
fans would say, if you're gonna play him like you
do every time he's gonna look like that, then yeah,
then I would kick the Ravens out of this category.
But every time, like I want to drop him, I
watch a game like tonight and you're like, holy shit,

(40:20):
like this this is awesome. But I think we have
to do a clear separation of the Lions and the
Eagles right now are just kind of in their own
little category and to me, they feel better than all.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
These teams right now in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
And luckily we get a massive, awesome game this week
in Baltimore with the with the Eagles coming through, I
think the outhouse just has one team, and like I said,
the Porta Potti Panthers, who It was really ugly there
for a while. Might have done one of the great
moves of all time of benching their player, and then
basically nothing they did to create this. Andy Dalton gets

(40:58):
in a car accident and they have to throw Bryce
Young back in and he looks good and the team,
I don't know if they've rallied around him. I don't
know if they've just gotten better. They have been really
good for a month. And they went toe to toe
to drive down the field and score that extra two
point to tie the game against the Chiefs. That was
a really cool moment for a Carolina Panthers franchise that

(41:22):
has had a lot of ugly moments, and it was
just a couple of weeks ago they were the laughing
sock of the league. And to me right now, that's
the Giants who are in their own little world. Like
the Raiders are equally as shitty on the field, but
they're just losing quarterback. They just had no quarterbacks coming
into the season. Now, Gardner Minshew breaks his collarbone, Dan

(41:43):
O'Connell had shattered a finger. They had to sign what's
his name from the Falcons last year. Ritter like their
quarterback situation is so bad that they were always gonna suck,
but they really didn't have any options. Like, I don't
quite know what to say. The Giants chose to name
Tommy Cutlet's their starting quarterback. Like I just I texted

(42:06):
with someone who's around the Giants today, not a coach
or anything, but covers on the media side, and I
was like, are these guys really gonna get fired? He's like,
I just don't see how you overcome if they just
don't win another game. And then sometimes when it rains
at pours, it's like you can't really hide, right, You're like, God,
that Tommy Cutlet's the thing that was really bad.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Who do we got this week?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, you play in four days on Thanksgiving Day on
basically the slot they give the Cowboys too. Why because
that's the slot most people are watching football. It is
typically the highest rated game of the day, the middle game,
because a lot of people in the East Coast sitting
down to eat, a lot of us on the West
Coast or Mountain time are cooking in or around the kitchen,

(42:52):
and that game is on television. A couple of years ago,
I forget who played, but it was a really good game.
It was like one of the highest rated games of
the might have been two years ago it was Cowboy somebody,
and I think like almost thirty million people watched it. Now,
I don't necessarily think that's going to be the case
this year because it's not a great game, but just
on the sure volume, a sure volume of people that

(43:15):
sit around during that time, everyone's gonna be watching. And
if you get killed, like listen, getting your ass kicked
by Tampa sucked if you are a Giants fan, if
you work for that team. But it was a Sunday
morning game, and unless you lived in New York, it's
not like nationally everyone saw it. There is no hiding

(43:35):
in this game. And because you're playing Dallas, everyone knows.
We've all been making fun of Dallas all year, and
they're rolling out Cooper Rush. And I like Dallas a
lot this weekend or a week you know, on Thursday. So
I think the Giants, like even look at the Titans,
like keep playing their ass off. The Raiders, like I said,

(43:56):
they just suck and they're awful, and they're also in
this category. But once you do the Tommy cutlets move
for Drew Locke.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
And your own team.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Basically goes, what is going how can this be happening?
I think you go into your own category. You basically
have become the porta potty Panthers. That's the New York Giants,
the porta potty New York Giants, that's currently who they are,
with a Tommy cutlet at the bottom, you know, on
one of a bunch of toilet paper, and just just

(44:29):
a Tommy cutlet right there on top. That's that's the
New York Giants headed into Thanksgiving week. Okay, let's do
a little Midlcoff mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff,
it's the Instagram fire in those direct messages and get
your answered question here on the show. Recording this part

(44:52):
of the show before Monday Night Football. So just to
give you context depending on what's asked here, Tristan question
for the mailbag. I understand the rules are the rules,
but what happened last night in the Eagles Rams is
total bs. Sirianni declines the Rams offensive holding penalty due
to put them in a fourth down. That should be

(45:13):
the end of his ability to impact or affect the penalty.
When the Rams choose to keep their offense on the field,
and then the penalty is enforced. It makes a mockery
of the decision to decline it in the first place.
He should know the outcome of declining that flag, and
that the Rams staying on the field for a fourth

(45:33):
and three should have been something he thought of sooner.
Curious your thoughts. I forget the exact situation. Now. It's
been four or five days, and I've watched so much
football on Saturday and Sunday. But there was a similar
situation and chaotic moment in the game on Thursday night
in the Steelers and the Jameis Winston led to Cleveland Browns.

(45:57):
I am completely in agreement. When you make a decision,
do you want, hey, it's gonna be fourth and three,
or it's gonna be third and eight. Do you want
to accept or decline the penalty? What they're gonna do?
Once you accept or decline the penalty, you have no
control over. Now, you make the decision based on what
you think they will do. But once you find out

(46:20):
what they will do, you don't get the equivalent of
a timeout.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And then to change your opinion.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Right, we see it all the time, and it's fourth
and two late in the game, the defense calls a
time out because they don't like to look right, Well,
that's fair.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
You get three of those. That's your prerogative. You do
not or should not. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
You'd have to get Belichick on the horn here, like,
are they not supposed to allow that? Because I thought
you don't get Hey, just double checking, you want to decline? Right,
They're coming out to go forward on fourth and three, which, again,
if I'm remembering this correctly, it was a five yard penalty.
And if I would rather have fourth and three and
get them off the field third and eight because basically

(47:02):
they have two downs to get.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Eight yards or one down to get three yards.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Maybe I'm not a great mathematician here, but especially the
way their defense was planned, I would take fourth and three.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
So yeah, I'm with you. I think total bs.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
You should not be able to any coach be allowed
to change your opinion unless, like hey, I said, decline
you you accepted it right, you misheard me, or there
was a miscommunication. If it's clear concise, I give you
the accept that penalty is accepted and we're moving on
and you can't say anything about it anymore.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
What criteria do you use to determine who is a
great quarterback or who you would have a question about.
I have seen you and Colin wax poetic about Matt Stafford,
who has a ninety four passer rating, nine turnovers and
fifteen touchdowns and the same record as San Francisco where
Purty has. There's more tds, better passer rating, etc. But

(48:03):
it's not just about them. Jordan Love is eight good games,
but it's considered a great quarterback. I don't know who
considers him a great quarterback. I think he's considered a
high end talent, but I don't know if people would
say he's a great quarterback. But I hear you with
a passer rating of ninety two. Full disclosure, I have
no clue what passer rating means. It means absolutely nothing

(48:26):
to me. If you put a gun to my head
and said, describe how you get to these numbers, I
wouldn't even know where to begin. Maybe other people listening
to this, obviously the analytical nerds. I'm sure no. I
do not know and don't give a shit. The only
way I determine if a guy's good or not is
I watched them play. And Kyle Shanahan would take Matt

(48:48):
Stafford over the last five years over Brook thirty Like,
that's not an opinion. I know that for a fact
because literally they desperately tried to get him once upon
a time. Efford's really good and been really good for
a decade and a half. Now, if you factor in
one guy's thirty six like over the next ten years.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Who would I rather have?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I would just take brock Purty based on age, but
also brock Purty gets judged, Like last year, I saw
Matt Stafford go on the road against the Baltimore Ravens defense,
one of the best in the league, and go toe
to toe with their ass and a driving rainstorm. And
I've seen brock Purty playing some cold games against good defense.
Does not look great. He's had a remarkable career as
a mister irrelevant. It's been awesome, seems like a great guy.

(49:31):
Everyone loves him, But like, can I can I win
big once I start paying them fifty million dollars a year?
That's so there's context in all this, Like I've seen
Mahomes get paid five hundred million dollars a contract for life,
and the Chiefs kick everyone's ass consistently Since I don't
even know what his stats are this year. I know

(49:52):
they're not great. Right, You just watch Lamar you go, yeah,
I've never seen anything like that. Josh Allen, like, I've
never seen a guy that. Yeah, I didn't see John
l Way in his prime. I would imagine this is
what it looked like. And then there are guys we
can argue about, like Kyler Murray. If you've watched football
long enough, you know, God, this guy's a freak. But
you watch him sometimes in some of these big moments,

(50:14):
you're like, God, he didn't play that well, but we
know he's really talented. Same thing with Jordan love Well.
Yesterday at that game against the Niners. There were some throws,
couple that he missed. You're like, h a couple that
weren't his fault. Watson dropped a big, you know, pass
that should have been touchdown. But you watch him and go,
this guy's really really physically gifted. So I guess my

(50:34):
criteria's is watch and then I give my opinion. That's
the business that we're in, and that's really the basis
of sports talk in general. Whether you're listening to it
or talking with your friends, it's all pretty subjective, right,
I Mean there are objective things like who's won the
most Super Bowls, who's won the most NBA titles, who

(50:57):
has the most mvpiece, But it's like who's the better player.
We could argue that, hell, who's the better coach? Andy
doesn't have as many Super Bowls as Belichick, but I
could make the argument for Andy Reid. So I just
think it's the fun part about sports. I guess question

(51:19):
for the bag. Chicago Bears lifer Hey John been a
follower for several years. Born in nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
God, we fucking love that demo around.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Here, Baby, advertisers love to hear it. It's what the
dying business of terrestrial radio no longer has.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So we welcome you to the show.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Jack, thanks for being a listener. With Eberflus on his
way out and Thomas Brown looking more than competent these
last couple of weeks, it puts the Bears in another
precarious situation. I think the best move is to fire
Eberflus now so that Thomas Brown can be the interim
the rest of the season. I've always scoffed at the

(52:03):
ORCS promoting the interim to full time head coach, as
it seems to never work. But if the offensive Caleb
continued to progress, it could make sense to give Thomas
Brown a shot.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Would love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I talked about on the podcast on the Open that
what eber flu should have been fired a couple weeks
ago to put your team in a position where you
can start talking to other people, you can start doing
what inevitably is going to happen. Right, what's the point
of rolling him out? And they didn't fire him after

(52:38):
the embarrassing loss to the Patriots, and they just keep losing, right,
It's like, well we got closed against the Packer, Oh
we got closed. It's like you've just lost. There are
no the only I guess moral victory here, Like you said,
is Caleb. I don't never cross my mind to make
Thomas Brown the interim coach.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
But yeah, I mean I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Think it's I've heard way crazier ideas. Why not I
would get Eberflus out of there immediately. This isn't personal, right,
It's not because he's a bad guy, and clearly they
like the guy. But like, this is a business, and
a pretty big one, billions of dollars on the line
in our franchise quarterback, like we got to figure out
where we're at. And like you said, now that we

(53:22):
did keep him. A couple of weeks after he fired Waldron,
we found out like, oh, this might have something here,
so why not give him.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
A trial run?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
And I'm pretty sure do the Bears play. I think
they play. I know it's Cowboys Giants, it is Packers
versus the Dolphins, and yeah it's Bears Lions. So maybe

(53:51):
Thursday night if they lose the Lions, I guess it's
technically Thursday morning for us on the West Coast, I
would fire you with loose Friday morning and just elevate
Thomas Brown.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
So I like your idea.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Mail back question regarding the Chiefs versus the Niners running
out of gas. For the Niners, I think it's more mental.
They've been playing in as many postseasons as the Chiefs
and haven't gotten the payoff.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Or even won Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
But actually they haven't because they didn't go to the
championship Game or the playoffs in twenty eighteen, and they
did not in twenty twenty as well, so they actually
have not. And like the Chiefs, they have some young
guys that weren't around twenty, you know, twenty nineteen or
even twenty twenty one. I get it they've run out

(54:37):
of gas, but why haven't the Chiefs run out of gas?
They've been doing this longer. While I do think the
Niners have done a lot and have been really good
over the packt several years, they haven't been able to
make it like the Chiefs because of a lot of
what you talk about.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Coaching and quarterback.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Kyle has been there the whole time, but the coordinators
have been poached, while Spags has been there with Andy,
the Lance draft picks are catching up. Chiefs have been
better at drafting to make up for older players moving on.
I really like Purdy and I'm so grateful for saving
the Niners the past two and a half years. But
I don't think comparing the two teams situations as Apple's

(55:14):
apples well. One huge part is Mahomes is dramatically better
in brock Perty and that's not a shot at rock Perty.
That's just there's a huge gap there. And Rock Perry
is a good player, and the gap between him and
Mahomes is, you know the size of California and Andy
Reid in his mid sixties is dramatically better than Kyle

(55:36):
Shanahan as a head coach, and Kyle's good. And the
crazy thing is I would say the gap between Kyle
and Andy separate from this year is closer than it
is Purty to Mahomes. And like you said, Purty saved
the franchise because they would have been in major trouble.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
They would have had to try to.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Get an old Rogers signed cousins. It would have been
a disaster, and I would take this version of Rock Party.
I think where it gets complicated is the Niners tried
to have their cake and he needed to and part
of the NFL. I would say this is where a
parallels Wall Street a lot.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Like you got to be pretty cold blooded.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
You got to make decisions that like guys you've been
in battle with, like see you later. We're not gonna
extend you, or we're gonna trade you, We're gonna get
rid of you. And Andy Reid did that, like Tyreek
Hill is better player than some of the guys the
forty nine ers have doubled down on and like they
should have pivoted off Deebo a couple of years ago.

(56:37):
They should have pivoted this off season on Brandon Ayuk.
They could have pivoted off you know, Christian McCaffrey held out,
and I understand why he did, and they gave him
extension because he was like, look like Marshall Faulk last
year and then his achilles both stopped working and he

(56:57):
missed the majority of the season and he comes back
and he looks slow, and as we sit here today
on November twenty fifth, he's not even the best running
back on the team based on the way he's playing.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Honestly, it's it's not really even close.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Mason is, but Kyle is obligated because that's his guy,
and he's paid him to keep giving him the ball,
even though in a weird way it's kind of hurting
the team.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So I think the.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Forty nine ers fell trap of what happens to bad
organizations and a lot of NBA teams, they keep doubling
down and sometimes, like Devo, looks terrible. And I admire
what Debo did in twenty twenty one. It was an
all time carry a franchise with Jimmy Garoppolo led him

(57:41):
to the playoffs. But ever since he's got his contract,
it's been very hit or miss some hits, some moments,
but a lot of like are we really getting our
money's worth?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
The answer is no.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I would say there's only a handful of guys that
they've paid big money that you feel really good about.
Kittle's been a badassin since brock Purty started, you know,
became a starter. Trent Williams, for the most part, has
been awesome. Fred's fallen off a little bit, having a
weird second half of the season, but he's been the
heart beat of your team for a long time in Bosa.

(58:18):
But some of these offensive skill guys, and this is
what Colin and I talked about, like they're open about
like they don't believe as much in the offensive line
because their own scheme. It's like, oh, just give me
an average guy. Well, what does that average guy do
when he's looking at fucking Aaron Donald or Chris Jones
or I don't know. Every team that has multiple good
defensive linemen, they're licking their lips to throttle that guy.

(58:41):
The forty nine ers have one offensive lineman over the
last three or four years that you're like, he intimidates
the defensive line. The other four guys are marks now
Pooney the rookie good player. But this notion of like
taking a wide receiver in the first round, it's like,
just take an offensive.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Lineman, but they won't.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Kyle doesn't believe in it because his own scheme, just
get me a guy that can run positional block. It's like,
how about you just give me a good player for
the bag. Hurtsmiss an open Godder in the end zone
during the second quarter on a semi tough throw. Quarterbacks
like Mahomes, Alan Burrow Herbert hit it.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
How far away? Has hurts from them? My name is
Matt from West Virginia. I don't remember that pass.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I don't put him in that category, but his team,
like Herbert. I'm doing this before the Monday night game.
But obviously Herbert does not have the offensive weapons Mahomes
clearly does not. You got Saquon Barkley. I saw Jared
Verse today said that Saquon is He's like, you have
never seen anything like that. I've been playing football for

(59:51):
a while here, first year in the NFL, A couple
years of Florida State. We've played a lot of big
time teams. Never seen anything like I don't know what
that was. It's like, welcome to the show, kid, because well,
and he's like, you don't see that many running backs
that have that level of top end speed because it's

(01:00:12):
really the last thing that like, you know, Adrian Peterson,
Chris Johnson, most running backs, a player can catch them.
But it's pretty rare when you get a guy in
the open field, like it's a rap. He's out the
gate and it's, as the announcers say, headed toward pay dirt.
And that's what him, Derrick Henry you know, can do.

(01:00:33):
That's a problem for the Niners right now. Christian McCaffrey
gets a little green grass, it's like he's not running
very fast. Love the pod Dolphins fan, but asking about
the Giants, I heard you with Colin talking about them
starting to veto in how you said it was an embarrassment,
which is true. Do you think they're possibly starting him
because they are actively tanking. Clearly Drew Locke is miles

(01:00:57):
better than de Vito and gives them a fight chance.
But maybe that's not what they want. Maybe they're actually
considering firing day Ball, drafting Shador and trying to lure
Dion away from Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I guess it's possible if you told me that was
their grand plan, I'd be like, that's more impressive than
anything they've done in the last six seven years. So
I really think it was more of a business move.
And if they were considering firing Dayball, why would't just
fire him now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Like what would be?

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I would just fire him now, and started to veto
and just I mean, he listened. He's obviously their team's
not playing well. But just I would just remove him
now if that was the case. So I I think
you'd be giving them a little too much credit. I
also have a hard time John Mara Dion Sanders like,

(01:01:57):
to me, Dion's got more, you know, which I appreciate.
It's got a little renegade to him, you know, Dion
feels Jerry Jones, Mark Davis. I would be stunned, stunned
if Deon Sanders was the coach of the New York Giants.
I see him the Jets a little more of a
renegade franchise, the Jags, Like I have a hard time

(01:02:20):
seeing the Giants, Dean you know, colors outside the Lions, Baby,
John Marrow, I just have a I can't see it
uh season over yet, But I feel like Saquan has
already cemented himself as an Eagle, the same way Dion
has always thought of as a cowboy and not as

(01:02:40):
a Falcon. I actually think of Dion as a forty
nine er. He was won and done, but he won him.
He won him a title. I would say it's been
one of the more impressive starts to a season you'll
ever see. It's it's pretty crazy like it. I don't
think it's humanly possible to go any better. And I

(01:03:01):
think the hard part about football with free agency is
you just never know. It's not a plug and play
sport like baseball or even like basketball, which is somewhere
in the middle. There are so many like good players
that sign free agent deals and it just you know,
the scheme, the situation, whatever, it doesn't work. But yeah, man,

(01:03:29):
it's an ald timer right now. It's if they were
to make it to the super Bowl and Saque has
an MVP level season, it'll go down as one of
the great signings of all time. Because for twenty seven
million dollars, even if this is his best season of
his career with the Eagles, if he rushes for like
nineteen hundred yards, I mean, it'd be an all timer

(01:03:52):
and then he plays one in the playoffs. Safe to
say that Antonio Pierce has been a mistake. Think maybe
Mark Davis could be blind, but Brady definitely is not.
Do you think he ultimately gets fired and who would
your guest be to replace him? My question is this.

(01:04:15):
You know Mark gave him a sweetheart deal to buy
some of this ownership, And from what I was told
and maybe it's been reported, is like he was actively
reaching out to Tom. I wonder how much pull Tom
has and how active he even wants to be with
Like now maybe Mark's asking him about, you know, Antonio
Pierce in the current situation, but it would be a

(01:04:39):
complete guess to go. You know, Tom's really active. I've
said before Mark should bring him in, right, should try
to get him active in the operation. But Tom's kind
of busy, Like Tom on Saturday and Sunday is with
calling an NFC game, So it's not like he's at
the Raider games. So he's not there. I don't think

(01:05:01):
he's there that much during practice. It's kind of unique
because of his job. If he didn't have the broadcasting job,
I would say I would be shocked if he's not
more involved, but because of the broadcasting job. I don't know, Man,
can you make a pod about the Texans and how
Bobby Slowick dropped off a cliff with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
His play calling? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I the Titans are pretty good on defense. You know
that that was gonna be a tough game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I didn't expect Will Levis to make some of the
best throws of a season, but the Titans are good
on d and one thing we know, especially inside on
the defensive line, Well, where did the Texans suck interior
offensive line? So I think it's easy to blame Bobby Slowick.
It could be, you know, the quarterback. Maybe he's lost
some of his confidence. Maybe they're a tag team, like they're.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Both kind of struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I love the show I drive for Amazon gets me
through the day. Trust me, my home Hope keeps that company.
Like many people, rolling people keep wondering what the problem
is with the Niners. But I feel like this is
just a textbook definition of the year from hell injuries,
older players, and most importantly, Kyle having an off year.

(01:06:16):
I think Kyle is a great coach, but I think
he is a huge schematic rut. Does he have to
revamp his whole scheme in the offseason or is it
more factoring cleaning up the edges.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Man, well he's holding on to this defense like it's
twenty fourteen. It's like, guys, no one's running the Seattle defense.
You're running anymore? Can you adapt? Like you know what defense?
Everyone's trying to pillage the Ravens. How about you go
hire a Ravens guy. No, we need Pete Carroll from
twenty fourteen. It's like, you know, Kyle Pets got fired

(01:06:50):
last year for the young hot shot Mike McDonald from
the Ravens who just kicked your ass at Levi Stadium.
You know, I think Kyle is a combination of two things.
He's obviously really smart, he knows football and the offensive
side of the ball really really well. But he's also
very stubborn, really stubborn, and you know, he's he's just

(01:07:16):
a very very hardheaded. You know, this is not some
sixty eight year old like this is. This is a
young hot shot who kind of thinks he's, you know,
God's gift to football sometimes and it's like, bro, you
got to adapt, And I think it's hard when you know,
like Kyle, this is not like one Kyle grew up rich.

(01:07:41):
Kyle grew up in a successful world, and since he
got to the NFL, mainly is you know, been a
coordinator really fast and based on like, you know, the
Shanahan name. If he sucked, he would have fucking been
a position coach for the rest of his life. Like he
obviously is a dying namack coach who's had a lot
of success and won a lot of games. But like,

(01:08:04):
you gotta have some other pitches, and it's like his
offense every fucking week, Like Kyle, Like, why can't you
and I get it? Because your offensive line sucks. You
can't just spread it out and drop back the passing game.
So you just drafted a fucking wide receiver in the
first round. You got Kittle, who you just put in
the slot. You got a ton of wide receivers. You're
paying d Ball a bunch of money. Juwan Jennings under contract,

(01:08:25):
Christian McCaffrey can just flank out as a wide receiver.
Why not go like four or five wide? Why not
mix it up? What were they doing yesterday? Early in
the game, the Packers are like, well they got this guy.
Most people couldn't point out of a lineup playing quarterback.
So what do you think Kyle's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
He's gonna try to run the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
What's gonna be difficult in this game? When I don't
know they know the runs coming the run, But Kyle
can't just go, well, we'll just go four or five
wide because it's not what we do. It's not what
we do. Why do you think Amazon was so successful
because his whole thing from day one was like, we'll
do whatever it takes for the consumer. It's not about

(01:09:04):
what I think. It's the right idea, what do they want?
Shouldn't that be what an offensive coach does, like what
do I need to do to win this game? Instead
of like, we're just gonna run our stuff and then
if the run game's working, all the play action stuff
off off that and it'll be easy pickings. I think
sometimes it gets very hard headed with that and that
Ghetto is a backup quarterback. But his offense looks the

(01:09:26):
same every week, and it's like, when it's working, great,
but what about when it's not. Do you think it's
possible for the Raiders to hire Spags if they fire
Antonio Pearce. I know he had an opportunity to be
the head coach for the Rams a while back and
it didn't go well, but he has done an excellent
job turning the defense around from the Bob Sutton era.

(01:09:49):
I'm a Chiefs fan and surprising that a team in
the division wouldn't try to lure him away. You know,
I text a buddy about this after I read The
Athletic did like an in depth piece that was really,
really powerful. It's one of the best things I've read
this year, And I said, do you think Spags could
be the next head coach of the Bears. You know,

(01:10:10):
Ryan Poles used to work with the Chiefs, knows him,
and he's like, no chance. He's like that they would
want to fire Poles and Kevin Warren immediately. Like Spags
is sixty four years old and he's clearly one of,
if not the best defensive mind in the NFL. And
his resume, I mean, he's got four championships as a

(01:10:31):
defensive coordinator, and look at some of the list of
people he's beat along the way, from Tom Brady to
Kyle Shanahan to you know, you name it. I mean,
they beat Joe Burrow a couple of years ago, Josh
Allens several times Lamar Jackson like he's beaten Hall of famers,
all time greats, the best offensive minds. And I think

(01:10:53):
you get to a certain age, it's very very hard
to break through, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Know, when you look back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Bruce arians who I think was a little younger when
he got the the Arizona job. Bruce is seventy two now,
so in two thousand. He became the Cardinal head coach
in twenty thirteen, so he was like sixty one years old,
and it was a big deal when they hired him

(01:11:19):
because he was an older guy, and it was clear
like he was a stud, right, But at sixty four,
you get to the point like I think it's gonna
My buddy told me he would be hard pressed to
see it happening. Not that he doesn't deserve it, not
that he's not a stud, but it's just hard once
you get to a certain age. And in that article
that I read on the Athletic about Spags is, Spags

(01:11:41):
was kind of you know, understands that it might never
come again, and he's cool with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Dan Quinn's a good example. He's been outspoken that he
didn't know if it was going to happen because last year,
if Ben Johnson takes Washington job, he doesn't get a
head coaching job, and he's ten years younger in spags.
But you could already see that manifest itself into well,
what if dan Quinn had come back with the Cowboys

(01:12:11):
this year. It's not like he'd probably get a job.
This all like all of a sudden, you just never
get a job to become a head coach. And listen,
most gms never get a second shot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
You get one shot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
The overwhelming majority of coaching you can get a second shot.
But a lot of times second shots helps to be
a little younger. Right when Andy got hired ten years ago,
he's in his mid fifties, right, And obviously it had
a ton of success with Philadelphia. Belichick when he got
rehired with the Jets or excuse me, technically at the Jets,

(01:12:43):
but then he went to the Patriots. Like when he
first got the Brown's job, he was young, and then
when he got rehired with the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
He was I think late forties, early fifties.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
It's really really difficult when you get in your sixties
and you know, in Bruce's case, had never been ahead
coach in the NFL. I think he was a head
coach of Temple in the eighties. But in Spag's case,
he was a head coach so long ago and it
went so bad. It's just a hard sell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
And let's face it, like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
These owners and these gms are going to be more inclined.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
To hire offensive mines, fair or not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Congratulations on getting engaged.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
What is a playoff team question?

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
You'd consider phony and we'll get bounced in the first
round like Dallas last year for example. What's a playoff
team you think could make noise as a wild card?
I would say I would say the Texans and the
Falcons are in major trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I would say both those.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Teams, you know, if it's Packers Falcons and Chargers Ravens Texans.
I think the teams playing at home could be one
and done really fast. I think once you get a
little higher. You know the Bills, you know the Steelers.

(01:14:07):
If they're playing in a tight game, right, they're comfortable
winning twenty one to eighteen. But you play in that
type game where it's fifteen to fourteen midway through the
third quarter, you're one stripsack away. You know, a fumble six.
All of a sudden, you're down twenty one to fifteen,

(01:14:30):
headed into the fourth quarter and you got to go,
you know, eighty yards, score a touchdown, maybe seven minutes left.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So I would say Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Would be a team just the way they play. You
could say, I guess say the same thing about the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
It's just the Chiefs at.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Home are gonna just have such an advantage if they
have the number one overall seed. I would say, whoever wins,
you know, if it's like Minnesota against Arizona or Seattle,
you would say, that's easily lose that game. Chiefs have
made at least the AFC Championship game for the last

(01:15:06):
six years. How much of those extra games wear on
a team if they're playing one or two more games
a season then their closest rivals. Does that have an effect?
I don't see how it wouldn't, you know, I really don't.
I think there's a positive to it. You're very comfortable
in that environment. You're very comfortable in these high stress

(01:15:32):
millions upon millions of people are watching.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
It's win or go home.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Like you were just used to. Your core group of
players just know how to excel in that spot. I
also think, like I don't know, man, eventually, it's going
to catch up to you. And I think in the
grand scheme of things, like when you take a step
back and look at it from twenty thousand feet, if

(01:15:55):
the Chiefs were to lose in the first round, let's say,
let's just say the you know, I guess technically if
they're the one seed to be the second round, so
it's like the one and they're hosting the Ravens or
they're hosting the Chargers and they were to get upset
because they would be favored at home. It's not really
that crazy when you say it out loud. Well, they've
won three of the last five Super Bowls. They also

(01:16:18):
went to another Super Bowl in that stretch, and the
one year that they didn't make the Super Bowl, they
lost in this crazy game to the Bengals where Mahomes
might have had a concussion. It's like it happened to
Brady and Belchick. They lost a ton of games, They
lost multiple Super Bowls. They lost to Peyton Manning in

(01:16:39):
the championship game when he was with the Colts. They
lost to him in the championship game when he was
with the Danver Broncos. They lost to the Jets in
the divisional round.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Shit happens.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
So I think regardless of what happens to the Chiefs
in the playoffs this year, obviously, if they were to
win the Super Bowl, it would be one of the
greatest achievements in the history of sports.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
It'd be like a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Crowning achievement for the organization, like you could argue going
to so they would win three straight they've went in
six years. They've been to five Super Bowls, and they've
won four of them, with three in a row. That's
more impressive than anything Belichick and Brady did in the
short term.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
But I got no issue. If you know, it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Whether the Steelers lose to a team that they're better than,
fans call for Tomlin's head. They'll say he always lose
the bad teams and Thalmlan should be fire. However, to me,
the phrase any given Sunday applies. The guys on the
other team are professional football players too. Other good teams
lose to worse teams as well, like Baltimore losing to Vegas.
I didn't see anyone calling for Harbaugh to be fired.

(01:17:53):
I think the difference with Harbaugh is like John Harbaugh
was just hosting the AFC Championship game nine months ago,
like that happened, was hosting in favored to win that game,
so he was the number one seed. He won a
playoff game to host the Chiefs. Mike Tomlin, who has
done a remarkable job this year, was in his finest

(01:18:15):
moment Thursday Night, but on the whole it's been impressive.
Has not won a playoff game since two thousand and sixteen.
Two thousand and sixteen, we are a month and as
of recording this about six days so give or take
thirty seven days away from twenty twenty five. So you

(01:18:39):
haven't won a game since twenty sixteen, a playoff game,
and we are thirty seven days away from twenty twenty five.
So there's a long period of like we haven't done, Dick.
And it's not like we've been not winning, Like we're
in the playoffs all the time, and we just never
win playoff games, and we've hosted a couple and lost.
I'll give you a little past. Twenty twenty is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
A weird year, but they got worked by the Brownies.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
So I just think it's you become polarizing when you
don't have playoffs success. Okay, last question, Fella, Syhawk fan
lives in the Bay Area. I have my opinions about
the run game in the offense, but that's not the
subject of the mail bag question. I wanted to give
you a break from talking about football, so here's my question.
What are your top five favorite sporting events to help

(01:19:25):
you out all this mind? The World Cup, March Madness,
Little League World Series like that little.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Curveball, NFL Playoffs, World Series.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
I would say, like, do we do we take the
playoffs as a whole because I would say I would
say Super Bowl. I would say the NFL playoffs. I
would I would separate the NFL playoffs in the super
Bowl playoffs are pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Super Bowl is the best.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
I would say the Master's Golf is really really high
on my list. I would say, you know, the World
Series when you get the good matchup like the Dodgers
first the Yankees, and the baseball playoffs in general. I
think there's a flow to a baseball game because the
home crowds are incredible, the build up of each pitch

(01:20:15):
is pretty riveting. Like I don't have a horse in
the race, but like watching the Yankees Cleveland series was
fucking badass. So I would obviously football, and I would
include college football. Now, the college football Playoffs is gonna
be awesome, Augustin National, the World Series slash Baseball Playoffs.

(01:20:37):
In general, I think it's just fantastic theater. You know,
March Madness doesn't quite mean as much to me anymore.
Don't know any of the playoffs or players. You know,
a lot of the legendary coaches have since retired, so
the group of coaches are not the group that I've.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Grown up on. I don't know if i'd have that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
And don't get me wrong, I watch it, and I
obviously gamble on it, but I just watch it because
it kind of everyone else feels like they're watching it,
not because like if you told me I had to
miss it, I wouldn't lose any sleep. So I would
say football playoffs, super Bowl. I'm going to add now
the college football playoffs the twelve teams, which I think

(01:21:25):
is going to be really good. I would say Augusta National,
but I think for me, you could include all the majors,
the US Open, the British Open, The PGA is by
far the worst of the four, but I still really
enjoy it, but there's a huge gap between the other three.
I think the British Open for me is pretty high
up there. Augusta's number one, but I would probably put

(01:21:47):
the British Open number two and then the US Open,
so I would cluster those together.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
You know, it's funny. When I used to work in radio,
you know, especially local radio, you watch so much baseball
and you watch so much basketball because you're kind of
talking about whatever's going on in your market.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
And when I worked there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
You know, these the Giants winning World Series, and the
A's were in the playoffs, and the Warriors had Steph Curry,
so it's fun to watch these things. And then you
start doing podcasts, You're like, I don't really want.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
To watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I still enjoy watching the Warriors because of Steph Curry,
but I went for like six or seven years who
I never missed a game, and part of it was
I was doing it for radio. But then even when
I got out from podcasting, I just enjoyed watching them.
And the longer you do, like what I'm doing now,
you just watch what you want to watch, and you're
like I'll figure out a way to monetize it. And
for me, it's basically just football and golf during non football,

(01:22:48):
you know, basically after the Super Bowl through you know,
up to training camp, and then I just pick and
choose what I watch. Like I've never watched less NBA.
I mean, I don't watch the regular season. If the
Warriors game is on, I will check it out if
they're playing a good opponent. But baseball. I grew up
loving baseball, I swear to you, and like I said,

(01:23:11):
I love the World Series and really the baseball playoffs.
I watched so many of the Yankee games. I watched
probably more Yankee games than I did even the Dodger games,
though the Dodger Padre series was good. I don't think
I watched nine any things of baseball in the regular
season total. Now, granted, like I'm a Giants fan, I
don't have like major League package, so I'm like, I'm

(01:23:32):
not gonna watch the Diamondbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
I don't care tennis.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
You know, I saw Rafa Nadal retired. I will say
this back in the day, you know, when I was
in college and even up through like ten years ago.
If Rafa Nadal and Roger Federer or Roger Federer and
Djokovic or whatever the matchup we're playing in the semis
or the finals. I'm not a huge tennis guy. I
wasn't missing it, and if you did turn it on

(01:23:57):
and they were playing each other, it was riveting television.
I would recommend. Rafa has not Rafa, but Roger has
a documentary on Amazon Prime. I think it might just
be called Federer. It's basically the last like ten days
he retires and then he plays this final it's called
like I think the Davis Cup, and he's with Rafa
Nadal as his teammate and they play their his last match,

(01:24:20):
and I think Rafa just officially retired, and it's just
a powerful like their careers, how they were intertwined. It's
a lot of like Rafa Nadal crying about Roger and
Roger crying about them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Just it's it was a good watch.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
And I'm not even a big tennis guy, but it's
I would recommend it. So I appreciate it. Good question,
and we will talk soon as in tomorrow, So audios.
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