3 & Out - Mike Tomlin’s Future, Lamar’s Leadership, and a New Era in College Football - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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been working today and it kind of led me to
the AFC North have some thoughts on Mike Tomlin and
the future of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I saw some quotes
from Lamar Jackson. I was like, you know what, I
like that, So I want to talk about something he
said about the ping pong tables, as well as college
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I've been thinking a lot about this after hammering them
last week as a home dog. Something Mike Tomlin has

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been famous for not just covering the spread when he's
a home underdog, but has basically a seventy percent winning
percentage just winning the game outright. It's literally called the
Tomlin spot. It's one of his great attributes. And before
I dive into this, let me say this. I have
a ton of respect for the guy. He's had a
remarkable career, and I've been saying this for the last

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couple of years. Just because you get a divorce doesn't
mean there aren't gonna be other girls that like you
and want to marry you. Right, we saw Andy Reid
get fired, immediately get another job and turn his chief's
tenure alone is a hall of fame career. So Mike Tomlin,
if he ever became available, would be the number one

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choice for all these franchises. I'm looking at you New
York Giants, but I'm over saying they should fire Mike Tomlin.
I don't believe the Pittsburgh Steelers ever plan on saying
we fired a head coach. They love saying we've had
three guys over seventy five years. Great, how many playoff
games you won recently, Well, we haven't won one in
a decade. But the standard is a standard, like we

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have to acknowledge it's not really working. And they put
all their chips in the middle of the table, which
I admire. I say it over and over again. Whether
it's the draft, whether it's the way you live your life,
whether it's the way you invest in socks. Any person
that leans aggressive, you're gonna get a thumbs up from me.

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I admire that mindset. But what the Steelers are doing
is kind of the opposite at this point. And when
you look at their schedule, it's like, listen, it's the NFL.
It's hard. Like it's you go ten and seven. That
is impressive, But when you do it year after year
after year, and you're making the playoffs, and then you
get to the playoffs and then you get routed. It's like, well,

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it kind of feels like the hamster wheel and the
only thing you're bragging on is we never lose. Well, okay,
and that's commendable, but you're not making any progress. Meanwhile,
multiple teams in your division, right, the Ravens of rattled
off playoff victories. The Bengals a couple of years ago
went to the Super Bowl. So you have been lapped
in your own operation. Now you go, well, we're better

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than the Browns. Well whipped the do like big time accomplishment.
We have to acknowledge that if they lose this week
to Indy, they're a home dog to Daniel Jones and Indy,
who are as hot as any team in the NFL.
Where are we going with this thing? And I think
for the first time, because the betting odds have been like, hey,
the Ravens are still favored. The Ravens are still favored,

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And you start doing the math, You're like, the Ravens
aren't gonna win this division. All of a sudden, I'm
recording this on Tuesday. You look up Wednesday night. If
they beat the Dolphins, they will have three wins. They'll
be three and five. If the Steelers lose to the
Colts on Sunday, they have four wins. And if the
Bengals beat the Bears, they have four wins as well.

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So it's not like this thing that looked like a
Locke a couple weeks ago is not making any progress.
You're like, well, actually, you've kind of come back to earth.
And here's the biggest problem. The Steelers are gonna beat
some bad teams. Congratulations. When they played the Seattle Seahawks,
who are a playoff team, at home earlier in this season,

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they lost by two touchdowns. When they just played the
Green Bay Packers at home, who are not only a
playoff team, but a team that looks like they could
win the Super Bowl, they lost by double digits. Now,
when they're playing the Colts, if the same thing happens
and the dust settles and they have lost thirty to
seventeen or twenty eight to fifteen, it's like you aren't

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even in the same ballpark as the good teams we've
seen them in the last two years in the playoffs
against the Bills and the Ravens get thoroughly embarrassed get
curb stumped. Get just yeah, you're making the playoffs, but
you're not even remotely close to what we're doing. And
now you look at the last four years of Tomlin

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nine to seven and one, nine and eight, ten and seven,
ten and seven, And now, if I was a betting man,
I say, this team feels nine and eight ish, But
you go, they have the highest pace I saw James
Harrison said, something's not adding up here. Most money dedicated
to defense, and the defense is atrocious. I'd even add
Mike Tomlin is a defensive guy. When you watch these

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like hard knock clips, what room is he in? He's
hanging out in the defensive meeting room like that's his
you know, his baby, right. But he can go, well, hey,
it's the defensive coordinator calling it. And I think there
comes a point in time and I'm not blaming this
all on him. I don't know. I'm not in that building.
How much pull he has on the roster. Obviously he

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has some, but this roster is extremely flawed. They're old
on defense one and two. Offensively, they clearly whiffed on
the running back from Iowa. At least for this year.
He's not gonna help him, they're depending on Jalen Warren,
who I like the guy, but he's you know, he's
a two. And they got one wide receiver and like
seven tight ends. Like they're just not explosive enough if

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they get down to come back, and they're gonna be
down in some games clearly with that defense. So now
you look at it, go, well, you lost Seattle, you
lost agree, if you lose the Indianapolis, you still have
home games remaining against the Ravens and the Bills. If
you can't win any of these games, isn't it fair
to ask ourselves? Is it finally time? And I understand

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this organization, the pride they take and never wanted to
say we fired him. If you're Mike, like, why do
you want to continue this? Why do you want to
go along with the team that needs to be blown up?
More than likely that even if you're able to get
to ten wins and get to the first round, you're
gonna be one and done. You have a forty one
year old quarterback, so there is no future. You got

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old guys, even the best player on your team is
kind of hit or missed now in some of these games.
Why he's old and you just invested one hundred million
into the guy. And I have nothing but respect for TJ. Watt,
but we just got to call a spade a spade.
Like some games he looks like Miles Garrett. Other games
he's there where to be found. That happens to aging players,
Cam Hayward, who's in his mid to late thirties. So

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you look at this team, you go, there's not really
much future if you were Mike Tomlin, and obviously you're
trying to win this week. But if you don't and
then all of a sudden, it turns into your fight
till the end just to win the division, and then
you lose in the first weekend of the playoffs, when
you go, maybe it's time for a fresh start. If
I love coaching and I love this profession, like what's

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the point of doing this? And if you're the Steelers,
like is the time for some new blood? Mike Tomlin,
Once upon a time gave you that fifteen seventeen years ago.
So I'm looking at the Steelers, who a lot's changed
in a couple of weeks because you're watching them. Player go,
I just this defense is atrocious, and anytime you have
an atrocious defense, you can lose to anybody, let alone

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the good teams. You So the Packers have one good
half scored it. Will you watch this Colts offense coming in.
They are going to be so freaking excited to get
to the stadium on Sunday morning. They'll take ubers. They
won't even wait for the bus. They'll be like, hey, guys,
I'll see you there. I gotta get there. So you
look at this operation. Mike Tomlin has a legendary record

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as a home It's like seventy percent. And now we
see last week, same thing didn't not only didn't cover
lost outright feels like it's probably gonna happen again. And
then you got the Bills not far away. And obviously,
if you can't beat the Ravens, what's the point. Isn't
it time to just nuke this thing? So if you're
a fan, I would imagine there are a lot of

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people that over the years have wanted to defend him
because he's a likable guy. And obviously his resume early
on in his career was awesome. Those teams were stacked,
those teams were absolutely loaded. Now his teams are kind
of average, and it feels like when he's playing better competition,
they don't have a shot. And obviously, you know he

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always and in fairness the CEO head coach like, he's
very dependent on his coordinators. But a huge part of
what he brought to the table was the leadership. Was
the Maxie was the bravado, was leading the group of
men out to battle. Well, if that no longer is
a point of difference, what's the point of this? And
I think you're at a point where it's just kind

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of running on empty and that happens to a message, right,
there's a reason, Like you know, I can't imagine still
being at my house at forty years old listening to
my parents told me what to do, like at eighteen, nineteen,
twenty years old, seventeen years old, you go out on
your own and you kind of figure it out. And
I think coaching, a lot of people say it's ten years,

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you know, and the message kind of runs dry. Well,
if this week gets ugly, I think it's starting to say,
I think we have to acknowledge that the message is
done and he no longer has the same juice in
that locker room to kind of rally the troops as
he once has once had, and I think it would
be time for a fresh start. Speaking of a fresh start,

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Lamar Jackson had some pretty interesting comments. Obviously, it became
it became a story last week that they had removed
the ping pong tables. Well, they play on Thursday night,
and one of my favorite stories from last week was,
you know the Lamar Jackson saga that I guess if
you're running scout team and you're a starter, it's an

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automatic limited participation designation. And that's where the Ravens screwed
up because Lamar wasn't taking all the first team reps
and the moment you don't as a full time starter,
that auto you get a limited designation next to your name,
and they didn't do it. Ultimately, guys like Florio, who
feels like they've made million dollars off football, they wanted

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to burn it to the ground. I'm not one of
those people, and I wasn't offended because this didn't happen
an hour and a half before the game, because like,
this is just like the NBA. No, we found out
a day before the game that he wasn't gonna play.
And here's the difference in football and basketball. When a
guy doesn't play. You know two things. One he's injured,
like no one goes I bet Lamar's not hurt. No,
Lamar Jackson's injured. And two, even if that guy's not around,

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the team will do everything humanly possible to try to
win the game. That's exactly what happened. Ravens won the game,
but Lamar had some interesting comments that, uh, I gotta
say I really respect because let's just let's just hear
this is this is Lamar Jackson on removing the ping
pong tables. I told Kaniko, our head equipment guy, I

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told him to take all the games, the ping pongs,
the ping pong tables, and turn the TVs off. If
we could have taken out the TVs, they'd have been
out too. I appreciate everything, mister Steve. I think that's
Steve with Shoddy, the owner, for putting that all in
for us. But we had to focus. I don't want
to say people don't take their job seriously, don't get

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me wrong, but I didn't feel it was time for that.
We got a lot of work to do. And he
ended it with this, We're not going to have them
the rest of the year. We'll probably have them next year, summertime,
OTAs or something, but right now, that's not the focus.
I think any coach worth their salt in the history
of sports has always said this my message in discipline,

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and anyone that you know GMS would say this or
owners about hiring good coaches is that their message and
their discipline they set the tone for the entire organization.
In football and ideally in basketball and baseball too. I
think we've lost it in baseball and in basketball a
lot of players have more juice in the coach, but
the good teams, the coach sets the tone and their

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message can only go so far. It's what people said
for decades, the power of the Patriot way. Obviously Bill
ruled with an iron fist, but the standard in which
he held Tom too. Everyone else had to phone in line,
and then Tom preached that way to everyone else. So
it was like the synergy between the top to the

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top player streamlined down to the rest of the group
was pretty elite. And I think any coach in the
NFL would tell you this. And I remember Dan Campbell
a couple of weeks ago was like getting emotional about
his team and he was saying, listen, the reason we're
so good is because our best players, like the best
players on our team. Pretty clear. He was talking about

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Piney Sewell, Aiden Hutchinson, Saint Brown, gives a Montgomery, Jared
Goff laporta Brian Branch. He's like, are the hardest workers
by far? Period? Or rather as a kid, say full stop.
And when you have a player who's the best player
on your team, the leader of your team preaching the

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message like at the end of the day, did they
lose games because guys were playing ping pong? Of course
not especially an organization like the Ravens who have been
winning for decades. But when Lamar Jackson goes, listen, I
need to kind of throw a curveball here, I need
to mix it up a little bit. And who knows,
maybe that came through Harbaugh or through Eric Tacosta, through Lamar,

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but at the end of the day, it gives Lamar
Jackson ownership of the team. And I would say the
best teams have buy in from the locker room, aka
they're best players in that locker room because everyone else
falls suit. It was like last year when Mike McDaniel
was like, Eh, you know, I'm finding guys and they're
still showing up late. You just do the math. You're like, well,

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it's probably not a practice squad guy who couldn't be
cut at any moment showing up late to the meeting.
It's probably not a guy making a million dollars whose
salary is not guaranteed showing up late to the meeting.
Who would it be? He started looking around, It's like, well,
the highest paid guys. Who are those? Jalen Ramsey, Tyreek Hills.
It was pretty easy to do the math right, And
it's like you got a locker room from because your

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best players, who are always going to be your highest
paid players, If they're not listening, you're fucked. And I listen.
I've said I was out on the Ravens, and I
was out on the Ravens, But now I watched this,
and part of it was because I'm like, oh, the
Steelers gonna cruise the ten or eleven wins, and watching
them last week against the Packers, watched them two weeks
ago against the Bengals, getting ready for them to play

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the Colts, like, I have zero faith that they're doing anything.
What the hell is the difference between them right now
and the Cincinnati Bengals And the Baltimore Ravens. I don't
think there is any And they haven't even played the
Ravens yet. Now, granted they've played the Ravens well over
the years, so it doesn't guarantee that like the Ravens
are gonna sweep him or anything. But that thing feels
like a house of cards. Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson, who's a

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guy in his late twenties who's gonna be there his
entire prime taking ownership of this team. You go, listen,
this is why this organization consistently wins playoff games, you know,
and this is why you know the Steelers in fairness,
like what's what's Aaron Rodgers gonna do? Like take the
TVs out of the locker room? Some guys on the
team like, what the fuck are you doing? So I

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I that's I've known a couple of people that have
worked for the Ravens over the class three or four years,
and the things I've heard about Lamar Jackson, I'm like, yeah,
I get it. You know, I don't think he just
obviously his physical attributes, you know, as a runner an
athlete are pretty special, but like you don't just dramatically
improve as a passer that much without being all in

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you know, we've seen a dramatic change in college football,
and I think I've listened to a lot of college
football content in the last couple of days. I mean,
my YouTube algorithm is just feeding me different content from
all over America, mainly from you know, Southern podcasts, SEC
everyone's takes, everyone's opinions. I've just been taking it all in.

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I just I can't get enough of a coach getting fired,
the drama, fifty million dollars, It's it's everything. I love football, capitalism,
just touchdowns, I mean everything about it. Dudes, leaving in
their two hundred thousand dollars car after their fingerprint doesn't
work to get into the building. It's like, inject this
shit into my veins. But two things, first and foremost,

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the sport ten years ago. So saying hey Brian Kelly
back in seventeen eighteen nineteen really doesn't parallel that much
now in terms of building your roster and the way
that you can deal with players, because back then they
were stuck. If they wanted to transfer, they had to
sit out at year. And also if they wanted to transfer,

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you know, a lot of times academically was a pain
in the ass to get different credits to carry over
and to be eligible. Clearly, now there is no such
thing as the academic calendar. The academic calendar still exists,
but in terms of your transcript, when you transfer doesn't
mean a goddamn thing. I fully believe, and I haven't

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asked anybody in college football that you could have a
zero point zero for multiple years and transfer to any
school that wanted you to play football, which I'm all for,
Like you know where I stand on some of these
classrooms in academia in college, I mean talk about scamzone,
but one thing that has changed. And when I first
got involved in college football, there was no such thing

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as a GM. There really weren't personnel people. Ed Manowitz,
who is now Jimmy Sexton's right hand guy, was one
of the first of its kind, and he was like
essentially the player personnel guy for Nick Saban in like
two thousand and eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, kind of
during the launch of the Dynasty. He ended up coming

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to work for the Eagles. How I got to know
him and now has worked with Jimmy Sexton and represents
Lane and Sart forever. But those jobs didn't exist. Well,
now they not only exist. I was texting with a
buddy in the NFL today. I said, how many guys
do you know that you saw on the road or
have known over the years that went to college football
and became gms. And he started rattling off guys. He's like,

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this guy went to Florida, this guy went to Nebraska,
this guy went to Northwestern. All these Power four jobs.
I'm like, well, what do they pay. Jim Naggy, who's
a longtime scout, ran the Senior Bowl, is now at Oklahoma.
He stole guys from the NFL. He's like, well, some
of the top Power four jobs start at like eight
nine hundred grant. Obviously, Mike Lombardi with Belichick's making one

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and a half. I said, that's the starting point over
the last couple of years kind of where we're at.
What do you think that number is going to be
in ten years as revenue sharing and everything grows double.
So if, like the if the going rate for a
job at a top twenty program right now is seven
hundred and fifty eight hundred grand who's to say that

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number won't be one and a half million dollars Because
that's what we pay for coordinators And if this guy's running,
you're recruiting when you factor in the money and in
some of these programs, And Josh Pate was on my
program I saw on my program on my podcast on
here talking about it probably a month plus ago. He's like,
a huge shift that's going to take place is these

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gms are going to become the power brokers and they're
going to help lead the coaching searches in the future.
And I've always hated the word networking. I've always thought
it was like a kind of hollow. It feels very
political feels very fake, like you just get to know
someone in a fake way. The older I get though,
it's extremely important professionally to get places through connecting. I

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like that word more connecting. But as my wife says,
like your network is your net worth, and in her
real estate business, it's very, very true. And honestly, the
reason she's at this luxury real estate brokerage now is
because of someone that I followed on Instagram and he
followed me, and he was he is one of the
top producers in the state of Arizona. He's an absolute

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he crushes it and he was a pretty legendary college
athlete and he's a big football guy. And we've DMed
over the years and one day I just them my head.
Would you go to lunch with Maria? Just pick her brain?
She was like kind of looking to transition, kind of
level up, And that's how it all started. And you
guys listening that are in sales, that are in any

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different sort of industry, meeting people, having coffee, having lunch,
starting business relationships, not knowing where they're going to lead
is the lifeblood for most of us. I mean, hell,
you're listening to me through Colin coward, so at least
a lot of you. And without that relationship, who knows
where I would be at now. I think I'd be

(24:56):
doing okay, but I probably wouldn't be here. I'm not
arrogant or egotistical enough to act like that. So your
connections in life change where you go. I mean, look
at the sport of football. How many guys get fired
who are down and out. They get taken care of
by their GM buddies or their coaching buddies. And one
piece of advice I would give to any guy on

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the road, and this could be a successful guy. This
could be a guy that a team is you know,
their SEC scout, and they're paying them three hundred thousand dollars.
Or this could be a guy that just broke in
that's making eighty thousand dollars. And all these guys are
working during the season, ninety hour weeks. It is a grind.
This college football personnel thing is only going to grow.
And the money there, based on some of these buyouts,

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is they approach it with much more of a cavalier
attitude than some of these NFL teams. Because I know
a lot of people that have worked in scouting for
a long time and have won Super Bowls that have
to fight for like ten thousand dollars raiss. Yet in
college football you see the money getting thrown around. It's wild.
And every time that I went into a school, especially

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a bigger program. Obviously, when you're dealing with the head coach,
you're on your best behavior and you go above and beyond,
like that's of course, But when you're dealing with these coordinators,
these are relationships. Like it wasn't that long ago that
Clark Lee or Mike Elko were defensive coordinators, right. Dan
Lanning not that long ago was the defensive coordinator for

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Kirby Smart. Once upon a time, Lincoln Riley was Bob
Stoop's offensive coordinator. Things change, and they change really fast. Hell,
two of the highest paid coaches in the country, Sark
and Lane were offensive coordinators for Nick Saban. Ryan Day
not that long ago was Urban Meyer's offensive coordinator. So

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these guys become head coaches and they need personnel people
and college now, Like, if I needed a personnel guy,
I would definitely be talking to these NFL guys because
a huge part of personnel now is the transfer portal,
which essentially is like a hybrid of college scouting and
free agency. It's what these guys have been trained to do.

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You go, John, what about the high school recruiting, Well,
you have such a big staff, you could hire someone
to help you with that initially, And let's face it,
most of the way these guys talk is like that
is kind of secondary, not saying that you don't need
to know that, and that still isn't important, but that
is something you can get up to speed on. And
eventually these gms are going to run point on all

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this no different than less Need or Howie Roseman, you know,
or John Schneider running their personnel meetings. That's inevitable and
that empowers the coach to have more time. But I
think a lot of these people, and I know this
when I got to the NFL, I'm like, I'm so
glad to be out of college football that the personnel
stuff won There aren't even jobs. And two it's like

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you just get to a point you're capped, you have
a ceiling. Well it's changed because it is hard to
move up in the NFL. And I know a couple
of people that obviously I know some gms, but I
also know like number twos and the lots out of
their control. Right. You hope to get interviews, and then
even once you get interviews, you never know they might
hire someone else. I saw Adam Peters for years get

(28:10):
interviews and then hire other people. It took him a
long time, and he'd had Super Bowls with like multiple
different organizations. He couldn't have been any more qualified to
be a GM. So it's not like coaching. It's way
easier to move up in the coaching rinks. In personnel,
sometimes you can kind of get capped and you can
feel stuck. And the amount of money they're throwing around.

(28:31):
You know, Jim Naggy at Oklahoma, I think his three
year contract is like eight hundred and nine hundred million.
I might be off on the stagger of that, but
it is like a three year contract worth two and
a half million dollars. That's twenty twenty five, when these
positions literally just got started a handful of years ago.
I mean, how one thing I've started doing for the
podcast is like following some of the top gms on Instagram,

(28:53):
and I look, they don't even have that many followers.
They're kind of like under the radar. I'm like, start
dming with them. I'm like, they're actually pretty easy to
get in contact with. I get a lot of people
that ask me for advice how do I get involved
in football? Well, if you're at a college somewhere and
you want to work in football, there's never been an
easier time ever to get into the personnel world in college.
But some of these scouts, and it can be a

(29:13):
bitter group. In fairness, totally understand why you work your
ass off. You don't make that much money relative to
the coaches. It's not just a six month a year gig.
You're working ten months a year. You're away from your
family all the time. You can become a GM in
college much easier than you can become a GM in
the NFL. And in some of these places that pay

(29:35):
seven figures to live in towns where you could buy
a mansion for a million dollars. And here's the other thing,
you don't think you then become more desirable of the NFL,
especially if you know how to work with the coaching staff.
You're working with the head coach, I'm sure on staffing
you are running a budget to buy players who are
a lot of these guys you're at a good enough

(29:55):
program are going to go on to the NFL. You're
probably the point liaison for all the GM's assistant scouting
directors that come through your program. It's just a fascinating
world that is in the very beginning, it was like
anyone that's podcast over the last five ten years, if
you've got into the business of podcasting. For example, I've

(30:17):
been podcasting for almost probably eight and a half years,
and it feels like I've been doing this for a
long time, and like we're pretty far into it. Like this,
we're so new into the landscape of this industry. It's
not even funny because if you think about it, our
competition is radio. The more and more I can keep
stealing money away from radio as they bleed dry, right

(30:41):
as they get less and less listeners, as younger people
no longer consume them, as every generation now has a
car that connects to the phone, they're fucked. But we're
still another decade and another two decades. It's not like
they're just going away tomorrow. So it takes time and
we'll look back in thirty years it's like, oh, okay,
wiped him dead. But it takes a little time, and

(31:03):
it's no different than any new industry doesn't happen overnight.
And I just think this is an area that a
lot in the scouting community should be making much more
of an emphasis to get involved that to change their
financial landscape. Okay, let's do a little thing we like

(31:33):
to call the Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff at John
Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered
here on this little old podcast. We will start with
if Ohio State goes back to back or three peats,
could Ryan Day be a candidate for an NFL team?

(31:53):
He would clearly be one of the best coaches in college,
has a good offensive mind, and is a good leader.
I also feel like Heartline is bound to be a
head coach and could be a good fit. Love the pot.
I think Ryan Day, if the Tomlin divorce ever were
to happen, the Steelers would have to be insane not

(32:14):
to talk to Ryan Day at this point time he's
worked in the NFL as well. Was Woodchip with the Eagles?
Was Woodchip with the forty nine Ers? I mean, Ohio
State at this point is a NFL program, and as
a lifelong hater of Ohio State, I actually appreciate it.
I mean, they're so good and they're so well run,
and it's just a it's a high level operation, so

(32:35):
you can't it's hard to hate when you're that dominant.
It's like hate and saving at Alabama or Tiger Woods
or Tom Brady, like they're just kicking everyone's ass. And yeah,
I mean I think that he is. I mean he
can turn down interviews. Here's the thing. Ryan day makes
ten eleven million dollars, and if that number keeps going
up with other coach like if Lane, someone gives Lane Kiffin,

(32:57):
or you know, if Oklahoma were to five venables and
hire like Josh Heipel, bring him home twelve thirteen, his
number will He'll get matched him and Kirby will whatever
the highest number is, they will be paid the highest number.
And he's the boss, so the best program in the country.
So it's like it have to be a pretty It

(33:18):
have to be like when Lafleur took over the Packers, right,
you have to be the Pittsburgh Steelers, even like the
New York Giants, who I think would be very interested
in him. If they fired day Ball, he'd be like, well,
that place just fires everybody. I mean, do I feel
comfortable leaving Ohio State to go there now? When you
make that move, Like if you want to scratch that itch,

(33:38):
once you've got to. And I'd say the same thing
about Kirby Smart. Once you've accomplished what you've accomplished, if
you ever want to come back if it gets weird.
You're the number one candidate on the market by a mile.
So I think he'd have that going for him big time.
I do think that his name is going to be
in the mix. I mean if Steve sarkisian. Now I

(34:00):
know he disputed the report, but like people have been
interested in him. Their season is not going well right
they they should have lost to Kentucky if Kentucky scores
at like the two yard line. They were up down
seventeen points in Starkfille, Mississippi State. Their schedule, they still
have to play Georgia. They played Vanderbilt. It's either this

(34:22):
week or next. They're probably gonna lose that game. They
still play Georgia, they play Texas, A and M. I mean,
they got some l's on that schedule. Sark might go
seven to five this year. You can't be spending thirty
million dollars for a roster given arch manning eight million dollars,
giving the highest paid or one of them coaching staff
right there with like Oregon, Ohio State and probably LSU

(34:45):
and probably Georgia and go seven to five. It just
won't be tolerated. So whenever I hear these coaches, they're like,
we need more time. The money bought the time buddies
like the reason, like sark is making ten million dollars
for having straight years. It's like there is no time,
and if we fire you, we gotta pay you to
go away. But it's like we gotta be patient. If

(35:06):
I hear one former coach say that one more time,
I'm gonna puke. Yeah. I would have been patient back
when we just brown bagged a couple kids twenty twenty k.
Now we have a twenty eight million dollars roster. Well,
we gotta pay the roster that again next year and
the following year and the following year. So yeah, our
patients is thinned. So seven and five is no longer
tolerated ever around here with the premiums we're paying. That's

(35:30):
how the private sector works. When you start investing a
ton of money. If things do not work heads roll
right when there's pressure to succeed. This isn't one of
those like tech companies where it's like, hey, we'll give
you five years, you don't even need to turn a profit.
That's not the case in college football. Question for the
pot big Cardinal fan, I think we're done with Kyler

(35:50):
Murray and ready to move on. What do you think
of this and what do you think we should do
at the quarterback position? Draft one in twenty six, roll
with Jacobe Draft one in twenty seven. Well, the elephant
in the room with the Cardinals isn't Kyler Murray as
much as like, are they gonna fire these guys running
the show? Like does the GM I always screw up

(36:13):
his name from New England? And Jonathan Gannon? Like, are
are those guys gonna get fired at the end of
the year? Is Jonathan Gannon? Does he get fired and
the GM get to hire a new coach? I think
that complicates things dramatically. So before I can answer about
Kyler Murray, like who's running the show, Because if it's
brand new people, he's gone for sure. If it's those guys,

(36:34):
then they're like on a one year situation to try
to survive. Who knows, I mean he could, maybe he
does stay. I think this all gets back to though,
this is a franchise that always loses, and I wish
they were better. I mean, obviously I live here, but
are the Cardinals even the most popular team in North

(36:56):
Scottsdale where I live? I don't think so. Most of
my neighbors are like Midway fans because that's where they're from. Chicago, Minnesota,
Kansas City, Seattle, Canada. I mean, the Cardinals honestly feel
like an afterthought in the world that I've lived in
since being in Arizona now for four years. And I

(37:16):
think it all gets back to the owner as a clown,
I mean, a loser, right, and it's his family that
they just suck and the franchise is going to continue
to blow as long as he owns the team. If
you ever sold the team, who knows, maybe it could
be resurrected. Just wanted to take a minute necessarily thank
you for being so open about losing your debt. Just

(37:38):
lost my father the spring. I quit my job to
spend two months with him, and he only lasted a
few more. Your words inspired me to take advantage of
every second that I could I burnt through some savings
in the process, but I wouldn't trade time with him
for anything. You know, what you realize when these people
go off to heaven and they die, is your savings
account doesn't follow you. Any moment it all could end

(38:01):
for any of us. So there's a small percentage of people,
especially the older you get, that you go, yeah, this
is someone that means a lot to me. This is
someone that's been in my corner, especially a parent from
day one, parent brother. As you get older, your wife,
your children, and obviously your friend's circle. Typically, I would

(38:24):
for most well adjusted people probably shrinks a little bit
as you get older. Maybe I'm just projecting, but I
think it's really important to really value the time you
have with people, especially as you know you're coming down
the home stretch. And as Scott Van Pelt once said,
and something I'll never forget, is you don't truly become

(38:46):
and I think he heard this from someone else's you
don't truly become a man until your father dies. And
I think there's a lot of truth to that, and
everything that you do positively after that moment is a
testament to that. Guy Chargers fan the team occasionally gets
mocked for having a smaller fan base. As far as
interactions go with your channel, do you see fewer questions

(39:06):
from Charger fans? It's hard for me to answer that question.
I mean, I get questions from all over the map.
I think that's a I don't think I could accurately
tell you based on questions in DMS or comments where
you guys rank inside of fan base. Part of it
is like San Diego historically, you know, it's just less

(39:28):
people live there than some of these major markets, so
you're gonna have less fans than Chicago. You haven't been
good at the highest level in one championships like over
the years, like the Steelers or the Packers, anytime you're
a transient franchise rams I mean the Raiders are the
best example. Like people fall off. Why are the Lakers

(39:50):
such a big brand? It's like, well, they've been winning
championships in LA for I don't know, sixty years, right,
Like why are the forty nine ers a big deal? Well,
once Joe Montana lead that pass, they never moved and
since nineteen to eighty one until twenty twenty five, like
they've been a stalwart in an area. The New York Yankees.
I don't know they're the New York Yankees. So part

(40:10):
of the charger is like cit Diego. Now you're in LA.
It's like Vegas, Oakland, LA. It's like you can't once
you start moving, you're just gonna lose people. If someone
ever threatened to be like, yeah, we're gonna move the
Philadelphia Eagles to a different city, there'd be a mutiny,
Like legitimately, people would die. I'm saying that with a

(40:33):
straight face, but I would say the same thing about Chicago.
I'd say the same thing about any of these major teams.
You're not taking my team. It wouldn't be tolerant. The
only teams ever get talked about moving would be like
the Sacramento Kings are gonna get moved to Seattle. Can
you imagine saying that out loud about like the Knicks
or the Lakers or the Boston Celtics. So part of
like being a transient team is there's a little unseriousness

(40:56):
to you. I mean, there just is question about your
bald expertise. Do you use a handheld electric shaver or
do you use a traditional razor to keep the head tidy? Second,
my fiance and I are planning to relocate from Colorado

(41:17):
to Scottsdale in the next few months. From someone who
has lived there for a while, what recommendations would you
have for specific locations in the city, I, North, South Scottsdale,
Paradise Valley, et cetera. Uh. I shave with a with
a mock three or five. I think it's technically the

(41:38):
mock five now. And I just do it in the shower,
you know. Obviously, if I'm ever doing something socially like
a nice dinner party something where it's like you would
just naturally shave four, that's when I shave my head.
So I probably do that, you know, two, three, four
times a week, depending, But I do it in the shower,

(41:58):
and I do it with that. I don't a mirror
to do it at this point in time Scottsdale. I
think it just depends what you want. Like I don't
know how old you are. If you're younger and you
want to be toward the hustle and bustle of Scottsdale, obviously,
like South Scottsdale toward Tempe where Arizona State is got
a little more vibrant life. Paradise Valley is extremely expensive.

(42:19):
It is massive lots. I mean you get home selling
for ten, fifteen to twenty million dollars down there. It's
just not a cheap place to buy a home. But
who knows, maybe you're rich. I would say North Scottsdale,
where I live, is kind of slower paced. It's truly
the suburbs. I mean, Paradise Valley technically is two but
it's pretty slow. I mean a lot of golf courses,

(42:42):
some nice restaurants. It's it's got some mountains. It's beautiful,
but it's it's not much happening right. A lot of
boozers up here, but they frequent a couple places. Yeah,
I mean, I'm a North Scottsdale guy. I have been
before I ever moved here. I knew when and before
I was moving here. This is where I wanted to
live in this general vicinity and where I'm at right now.

(43:06):
I don't know how long I'm gonna be here, but
when I do move, it'll just be up the road
to places closer to the mountains. But i North scott
Stale is one of my favorite places on Earth. And
I just manifested that shit and I said I'm coming
and actually I didn't manifest. I literally just copped in
a car and left, and best thing I ever did

(43:26):
in her Obviously it was a huge part of that.
Let's be real, she got me here. You're starting a
franchise and you get to choose any current coach to
sign for the foreseeable future. Where would Mike McDonald fall
in your rankings. I'm not sure there's a better defensive mind.

(43:47):
This is a good question. I think he's a stud,
And if you took him above a bunch of the
offensive guys, I would understand, and I don't think I
would lose much sleep. I would be inclined to take
the offensive guys. The guys I know can coach the
quarterback right, Like, I think that matters. You saw last
year they had to fire the offensive coordinator. Gino threw

(44:10):
like twenty touchdowns and they were all out of whack.
And they're a pretty good team. But like Mike is
clearly good with the team, and he's awesome with defense,
but like when the quarterback gets out of whack, he
can't really do anything well. Kyle Shanahan can win games
with Mac Jones, Andy Reid can win games with Jeff Garcia.
You know Michael Vick out of prison. Sean McVeigh has

(44:32):
won games with Jared Goffin, Matt Stafford, so he's living
a pretty good life. But he listen. Obviously he's good
with the quarterback. Kevin O'Connell. I mean, it's got a
little rough, but we've seen him with Darnold, We've seen
him with Kirk Cousins. You know, win games, Lafleur. What
he's doing with Jordan Love speaks for himself. That's a
powerful thing, man, because the most important guy, you know,
obviously your GM, you're head coach and your quarterback. But like,

(44:55):
when I get a awesome head coach who is the
offense is his baby, Like look at Sean Payton, Like
bo Nix is kind of all over the map. It's
like he's gonna win fourteen games this year, he'd be like, well,
his defense is awesome. True, but I think a lot
of average defensive coaches that that offense would they would
be screwed. So I think it's really really important to

(45:19):
be able to coach the quarterback. But he would be
the lone guy that if you're like, hey, I'd rather
have Mike McDonald than Kevin O'Connell. It's like, yeah, I'm
not gonna argue with you. I'd rather have Mike McDonald
than some of these guys, Like I get it, he's
a stud and who knows, maybe in a couple of years, Like,
who's to say they couldn't rattle off playoff victories this year?

(45:40):
Speaking of the Seahawks, what are your thoughts on the
Seahawks in the past few years. I felt like Gino
kept them to be a pretty average team. With Sam,
they look way better, but I still feel like they
aren't in the top level of teams. So what is
the outlook in Seattle? See? I think I disagree. I mean,
I think they're built. I think they can win the division.

(46:01):
They lost the Niners at home, but they usually could
have won that game. The Niners, I mean got a
little lucky to win it. Obviously the Niners were healthier
then they did lose Kittle in that game. But so
they get the Commanders coming up. I like the Seahawks.
They get the Cardinals. I like the Seahawks. So, I mean,
you could be a couple games away from being seven
to two. Then you go to the Rams, that is
a massive game. Then you get the Titans, that's a win. Viking,

(46:24):
that's probably a win. Then you get the Colts and
the Rams and the Niners again at the end of
the season, so you got I don't think we're gonna
know that much about you with the schedule. I think
those Rams games are pretty big and it's probably gonna
determine the division. I mean, the forty nine ers are
just are playing with me and you right now. So
it's when you factor in the Niners injuries and it's like,

(46:44):
is mac Jones gonna start twelve games for him? It
kind of feels that way. You go, I don't see
why Seattle can't can't win the West, And I definitely
think like Seattle can win a playoff game this year.
You know, for a couple of years at the end
with Pete when they were making the playoffs and being
one and done, Like this team feels better in that
Now it's football, like you could, especially if you're the

(47:08):
five seed, you could lose to you know, whoever you're playing,
So it'ld probably be the Bucks in that scenario, would
be the Rams, the Eagles, and the Packers. So I mean,
you're gonna get a tough first game, No, matter what.
But if you have to play the Bucks in the
first round, like that's the game you can win when

(47:28):
you're on with Colin. Two topics seem to come up
a lot the first round quarterback bust two reclamation project
stories like Baker Donald and the Joneses, and how inconsistent
Caleb has been through the first year and a half.
Am I crazy to think those might be two sides
of the same coin. You can bet some smart offensive

(47:49):
coach would love to see the Bears move on from
Caleb in Tournament of the next. Baker Mayfield, he's only
twenty three. Can we pump the brakes and let him
develop a bit? I get the teams want instant returns
from first round quarterbacks, but Jayden and luxe rookie years
or outliers. Here's the problem with that argument. Baker Mayfield

(48:11):
in college dominated throwing the ball from the pocket. Dominated,
I mean, was an unstoppable force. A lot of Caleb's
special plays have been running around and it's his physical gifts.
The way he plays is not the way like Sam
Darnold right now is slinging the ball from the pocket.

(48:33):
Caleb has never played that way, So how often New
guys that never played as pocket quarterbacks become pocket quarterbacks.
Russell Wilson never could, and when he was a pro bowler,
he was making all these crazy plays outside the pocket.
The couple years DeShawn Watson was good. Same thing. So
if Caleb is gonna be good, he's going to have
to play like those guys. Now, if your argument is

(48:55):
he can become that, I'd say, yeah, Deshaun did it
for like two years and Russell did it for like six,
but they feel like outliers in the course of the
career of that type player, So I would I'm gonna
bet against it. Not saying that he's gonna be like
out of the league, but like that style of play

(49:16):
historically does not work. And you're watching Caleb. He has
no feel for like timing or touch none. So it's like,
you can improve accuracy a little bit. Look at Josh Allen,
you know, Google, Like Warren Moon's career got a little
bit better as he got older. You definitely can improve
working on accuracy a little bit. You can't just you know,

(49:38):
become Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but you definitely can
become a more accurate player. But when you watch him play.
His style of play doesn't really translate to resurrecting a
career and becoming a star. So I have a hard
time seeing it. Not my style of quarterback, But I

(50:00):
I'm not gonna write off like he's out of the league.
And do I believe other people will try to work
with him one million percent? And who knows, maybe they
could structure the offense more toward that. Typically most of
the good offensive coordinators run a pretty structured passing game, right,
Let's not even count the guys that are run first,

(50:20):
Like I think when obviously Kyle Shanahan's run first. You know,
I think if Lafour's running backs are healthy, he wants
to run first. But like Sean McVay, pass guy like
their pocket passers. You know, Andy Reid lets Patrick play
like that a little bit, but he's kind of an outlier.
Sean Payton a lot of pocket passes, Kevin O'Connell a

(50:41):
lot of pocket plasses. So it's just these guys want
to call like in the structure of the offense, and
he's just not a structure of the offense player. This
is people think are like, can't stand the guy. I
don't even give a shit. I wish he was good.
I would like to watch. I like to watch good players.
I don't like to watch I don't like to watch
scrub I don't like to watch guys throw incompletion after incompletion.

(51:03):
That's not fun. You know. I'm not trying to be
bitter about being paid to watch football. I try to
enjoy it. But sometimes you're watching bad quarterback player, Like
this sucks. I wish we had twenty five star quarterbacks
instead of seven. But I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, I just think there are and I've I'm
not just coming into this. Like I watch football on Saturdays,

(51:26):
and I major in West Coast football. I watched a lot,
and I'm an Oklahoma guy, So I go back to Oklahoma,
which I don't really judge as an eighteen year old freshman,
but now looking back to like what he started doing.
Like he's a freelance player, and he's a freakish talent
because he's got a huge arm, and he's athletic and strong,
but he's just not a natural rhythm passer. And you're

(51:47):
just gonna flip that switch at twenty four to twenty five.
I don't know are you surprised at all by the
Commanders having a down year. Did people really think they
were gonna take the next step in going to the
Super Bowl? They had one hit run wonder written all
over them. That's a great question. I do think their

(52:08):
GM thought they were gonna be good and aggressively made
moves for that Laramie Tunzell, Deebo Samuel last year when
they traded for Lattimore. I mean they've aggressively acquired some
veteran guys. Now making it back to back NFC Championship games.
I think it would have been a little shocking to
have them not be nine or ten wins. But again,

(52:30):
their quarterbacks missing games. So once your quarterback starts missing games,
trd to win games your backup quarterback, And depending on
how the schedule shakes out, it's like, Okay, we gotta
play our backup quarterback. We gotta go two Arrowhead on
Monday night. That's an L. We gotta play Seattle Sunday night,
that's an L. So it's like, when you don't have
your starting quarterback and we'll see if Jayden plays this week,

(52:52):
You're not gonna win many games, you know. And then
on top of that like mclaurin's miss games, Tunsell just
left the game. Their defense looks old and slow. You know, football,
things can change fast and a guy can go for
being a solid player to just old real real quick.
I think that's what happens when you look at you know,

(53:12):
Bobby Wagner, you just watch him play, He's like, God,
this guy looks old. Which I'm not trying to be
a hater at all. I have nothing but respect for
the guy. But it just happens to players in the
blink of an eye. Sometimes injuries and sometimes it's like
it's like looking a little slower to like, damn, he
can't move question for the back. Two weeks ago, there

(53:33):
was quite the uproar from kleb fans over Troy Aikman
about his game on Monday Night Football. Everything Aikman said
is still being highlighted by analysis by an analyst. Do
you think the uproar was due to Aikman hitting an nerve?
I think anytime you win right and it feels like

(53:56):
which is weird. Like I understand why Lebron has a
lot of fans. He's a twenty five time All Star
and won multiple four championships and Ben to nine Finals. Like,
I'm not the biggest fan, but I understand if someone
loves basketball and wants to defend him. Okay, I get it.
How could you be like, I'm a Caleb stan because
Todd McShay and mel kiper ad him number one on

(54:18):
the draft board because he won the Heisman. Like what's
like I get if you're like, hey, I'm defending Lamar Jackson. Okay,
totally understand it, Like I all these people on the
internet is maybe it's just a Bears fan in yours
defending your quarterback. Traigman has won some of the biggest
games in the history of the league. Traigman won multiple

(54:40):
Super Bowls, the number one overall pick has played against.
We're broadcasted the games of every quarterback that has mattered
in the last forty five years. Think about that l Way,
Montana Marino, Jim Kelly, far of young to all the

(55:01):
I mean, he's literally called the manning Brady Rogers era
Roethlisberger Breeze. Like he's called all these guys games. He
knows exactly what it looks like and he's not me
just like, hey, this guy kind of worked in the league,
understands football, and big personality. Now, this motherfucker laced them
up through dimes to Michael Irvin against some of the

(55:22):
best teams I've ever seen, the San Fransco forty nine
ers and beat them on the road to Candlestick to
go to the Super Bowl and then won Super Bowl
and then won the Super Bowl. So it's like he's
so mean. As does anyone that talks about football on
television have more equity to talk about quarterback play anybody

(55:43):
Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Kirk Herbstreet, you name it, then
that fucking guy. And the answer is no, he has
more equity and more knowledge and more understanding of anything
that comes out of his mouth when it comes to
quarterback than anyone that talks about the position by a
wide margin, based on his resume and based on just

(56:05):
listening to the guy talking like he knows what he's
talking about when it comes to quarterbacks. So if it's
that he was offended that, hey, you know X, Y,
and Z at ten o'clock you're meeting with the coordinators.
This time you're meeting with the players. He's been doing
this now for multiple decades, calling games, right, So when
someone doesn't show especially the quarterback. He probably goes, well,

(56:27):
Manny always shows, Brady always showed, my homes, always showed
like he's used to. Like all the guys always show.
And this guy not only doesn't show, he's like text
me the next day, it's like, who do you think
you are? Now? Listen, I'll be the first to say.
The players and him getting ready for a game, like,
I'm not trying to act like you should just throw
away your prep to go meet him, but that's part

(56:49):
of the job. And that clearly pissed Troy off a lot.
And then Troy saw what I see. It's like something's
a little off here. And then because Jayden Daniels fumbles
a snap and they win the game, everyone one starts,
you know, blowing the Bears. It's like, well, I mean thinking,
we have to acknowledge it kind of got a little
lucky to win this game. Not that you know, you
could argue whoever won that game, who cares? I'd argue

(57:11):
both teams aren't that good. But I think this notion
that Akman is just some unknowledgeable hater is kind of
laughable because one as a player, resume speaks for itself
as a broadcaster kind of been doing it a while,
has a pretty good idea of what it looks like. Right.
And I'm not even just talking about calling the games.

(57:33):
I'm talking about the interactions. You know, if it's Monday night,
Saturday and Sunday at the facility, the production meetings, you
just know showed them what I'd be interested Like, how
often do you guys know show I bet the answer
at quarterback is slim to none. I think a lot
of people around the league thinks Caleb's into Caleb, and listen,

(57:55):
Lebron's into Lebron. You produce, no one gives a shit.
You know, Kiffins and the Lane Kiffin. You win, no
one cares you start losing. Stuff comes up, man, that's
part of the gig. I think we could win the

(58:23):
division as a Bronco fan, but I'm still worried about
the chiefs now certain is out for at least a
few weeks. That's changed our whole defense. Do you think
we can overcome and keep the momentum? What adjustments will
advance Joseph what's his name? The white corner wanted to
say Riley Green, but that's a country music star number
twenty one who leads the league in pass interference. I
mean the other day it felt like he was getting

(58:45):
pis on every single play. So losing your star dB
is a blow. I love the Broncos this week against Houston,
Riley Moss love them. I mean, I think you know
last week the forty nine ers their entire defensive line
bosas On injured reserve Huff who just dominated the Falcons,

(59:06):
pulled his hamstring on the last play of the game.
He did not play. They're playing multiple rookies who just
are probably running on fumes. The rest of their defensive
line was just atrocious and c J Adam alive. Well,
the Broncos defensive line and just pass rush in general
is elite. So I think this is an awful matchup
for the Houston Texans, who have a bad offensive line.

(59:28):
How do you block an elite pass rush? You don't
not with bad offensive linemen. So I do you think
a short term you're gonna be okay? Obviously, if you're
a Bronco fan, I mean you're rooting heavily for the
Bills to win this week. Let me look at Denver's
upcoming schedules, So you got We've got the Texas this
week in Houston. Then you get the Raiders. You haven't

(59:54):
played the Chiefs yet. Then you get the Chiefs, Commanders Raiders.
I mean, you've got a lot of Patsy's in here
with the Chiefs games. So your tough remaining games are
two Chiefs games, the Packers, and then depending what's on
the line for that last game against the Chargers which
is in Denver. But you obviously get the Chiefs one
of the games at home, and you get the Packers

(01:00:16):
at home. So if you win this Texan game and
your what would your record be seven and two, you're
in pretty good shape because then you get the Raiders
at home on a short week Thursday night, which who knows,
I mean they could be you could be a ten
point favor in that game, and then you get long

(01:00:37):
rest into the Chiefs game, which is at home as well.
So that's this Texan game is pretty big because it
can propel you to the Raider game. So if you
win the next two games, you're eight and two, go
into that Chiefs game. Now the Chiefs they play this
week and then they got to buy the next week,
so they're coming off of bye and you're coming off

(01:00:58):
the mini buy So it's not a huge I guess.
Let me double check that on the Chiefs because the
Chiefs they play the Bills eleven two in their next
game to Broncos, so that they get a buye as well.
So that's something to keep an eye on. H Why
had the one pm Eastern games this season been so lackluster?
Is just a lot of bad teams in the league,

(01:01:18):
or because of Monday night doubleheader? I don't know. I mean,
I think sometimes when you get the Monday night doubleheader
and you start getting the buys, you just have less options.
So if you do have five games going at once
and you get three blowouts, it's like you're pretty beholden
to a couple other games, and if the other games

(01:01:39):
that are good are like the Jets the Bengals kind
of sucks. So I think there's a little randomness to it.
There are obviously a lot of bad teams, a ton
of injuries, I think is a huge factor. A lot
of injuries. But there have been some bad football. I mean,
I'm not trying to be negative Nelly here, but we've
all watched some bad football over the last couple weeks.
Question about the Giants all signs are pointing to Joe,

(01:02:01):
Shane and Dave all getting fired. Should they hire a
head coach that has experienced and get a respectable level
guy or a young guy that's a boom and bust potential.
I'm telling you, I'm gonna start putting this together now.
If the Steelers season goes south, which it's gonna back,
it could potentially start to go south hard. Doesn't Mike
Tomlin make a lot of sense? Doesn't Mike Tomlin make

(01:02:23):
a lot of sense? Bring Mike Tomlin? He could bring
Arthur Smith. Uh. I just think Mike Tomlin the New
York Giants, Like, if you're gonna leave the Pittsburgh Steelers,
why not try to go resurrect the Giants, start fresh,
bring your own GM. I don't know, and just I'm

(01:02:44):
kind of rooting for that to happen. I'm a Vikings fan,
but my boss a Packer fan. Some of them North
Hollywood's calling me, we got uh dictates my progression. We
got into a debate about what's worse sing a team
fumble multiple back. Vikings were having only one championship with Rogers,
who is arguably a three top three quarterback of all time.

(01:03:09):
I think it's the latter. I think the Packers are spoiled,
so rotten. I also think that Jordan Love is a
b quarterback. In short, I hope the Packers enter a dark,
plague filled winless street. That's not gonna happen. I think
it's it's disappointing if you're a Packer fan to only
have two Super Bowls with Rogers and far of over

(01:03:29):
a thirty year period, but you basically won. I mean,
over those thirty years, it felt like they made the
playoffs twenty five of them. They won a bunch of
playoff games over that period of time. They win the
division all the time. I think what the Vikings situation is,
if Sam Donald becomes a consistent Pro Bowl player, that's

(01:03:50):
gonna be one thing that's gonna be hard to stomach.
I think that's got If Sam Donald leads Seattle to
like several playoff victory over the next couple of years,
wins the division, and your team is just quarterback lists
and this JJ McCarthy thing blows up in their face.
The Packers is not even debatable that argument. Uh, you

(01:04:14):
and Colin were talking about Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams,
and you mentioned how you'd be curious to see how
Johnson ranked the twenty four quarterbacks. Since I'm a Bronco fan,
it got me wondering, do you think Ben Johnson would
trade Caleb for bow Knicks. Maybe I'm biased, but I
feel like he would make a trade in a heartbeat.
PS keep it the good work. Uh, it's a great question.

(01:04:37):
I I don't know how he would have ranked the
guys because Bo Nicks, I wouldn't say is the most
accurate guy. And bo Nick's style like he's actually much
more athletic than he is, like what he had in
Jared Goff. Now, just because he had a bunch of
success with Jared Goff doesn't mean that's like his ideal
type player. Maybe he would really like a more mobile
type guy. Listen, if I wanted to defend Caleb Williams

(01:04:59):
not like Bone. I know his numbers look pretty good,
but you watch him play, he struggles a lot too.
I mean he's he's very hit or miss now and
he's on a way better team with you know, he's
at Sean Payton now for two years. So I don't
think there's a lock that Ben Johnson would have liked
either one you know, in terms of like if he
had the number one overall pick, my guess is he

(01:05:21):
would take Drake May would be my guess, or Jaden
Daniels over those guys. But who knows. And you know,
I bet if you asked him, he might not really
watched those guys because he's the offensive coordinator. During draft time,
you're not wasting time ranking the quarterbacks when you're evaluating

(01:05:41):
other positions that your team needs. He probably spend a
lot of time on O lineman, on skill guys, on
self scouting, on other stuff that he did. Ranking quarterbacks,
they clearly were never gonna draft, so he might if
you asked him, he'd be like, honestly, I didn't really
evaluate either coming out that. What his honest comment might be,
it's like, how would you rank these guys coming out

(01:06:03):
of college? He'd probably go, I'd have to go rewatch
them because I didn't really focus on them. I think
you'd be shocked. Like good good teams, they're coordinators, most
of them, don't spend that much time, like banging out
the film on those players. It's kind of a waste
of your time. The volume

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