3 & Out - MNF Reaction, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, How should Cleveland handle Watson

John reacts to an exciting Week 5 NFL tilt after Patrick Mahomes and the defending Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs took down the New Orleans Saints, 26-13. John salutes the red-hot Chiefs, who look to be well on their way to another incredible season. After solid performances from Kansas City Chiefs superstar QB Patrick Mahomes, RB Kareem Hunt and TE Travis Kelce, Middlekauff breaks down the Chiefs chances at a nearly-impossible Super Bowl three-peat as they move to 5-0. Additionally, John breaks down the costly injury to Saints QB Derek Carr towards the end of the game, and dives into his prediction of New Orleans winning the NFC South in light of that news.

Then, Outhouse & Penthouse for Week 5 focuses on the Chiefs, Lamar Jackson & the Baltimore Ravens and CJ Stroud’s Houston Texans.

3:12 - MNF - Saints at Chiefs reaction

16:37 - Who's in the NFL Penthouse & Outhouse

27:26 - Jets woes are not on Aaron Rodgers

37:41 - New segment "What's Next?"

38:00 - What's next for Deshaun Watson and the Browns?

45:18 - What's next for Joe Flacco and the Colts?

49:30 - What's next for Davante Adams?

54:49 - What's next for Patriots QB situation?

57:27 - The transfer portal makes CFB more interesting

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Speaker 1 (01:45):
What is going on, everybody? It's me John Middlecough and
this three out podcast. Hopefully everyone's doing well. Just watch
the Monday night football game and my guy Andy Reid,
uh Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Taylor Whift put a beat
down that was a one sided affair. To put it mildly,

(02:08):
my Saints futures are not looking good after the last
couple of weeks. But the Kansasy Chiefs go to five
and zero and look like a juggernaut, and the Saints
got issues. They didn't just lose the game, they lost
their quarterback. And yeah, defense looks kind of average, but
I thought tonight was a muscle flex with Andy Reid

(02:31):
and he's just got so many pitches and what he
did tonight, I was not shocked. I guess because regardless
who he has to play with, he'll figure something out.
As long as he's got my homes Kelsey and Chris Jones.
They prove it over and over again. We will also
do a little penthouse and outhouse. The NFC is getting

(02:52):
a little bleak. We don't have as many teams in
the penhouse right now in the NFC, I honestly only
have one true team with a couple other ones kind
of knocking on the door. Who had ever thought Washington
would Washington Ravens this week? That's a fantastic game. We'll
talk about some other stuff too, the Jets, the Aaron
Rodgers situation. I thought we'd do a little segment just

(03:14):
there's just some big picture stories around the NFL and
just what's next with each one of those situations, like
where do we go from here? So will hit on that.
I'll do a big, big mail bag on Wednesday. I'm
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(05:02):
of tonight because I had thought long and hard about
taking the Saints tonight plus five and a half. And
when push came to shove about twenty minutes before the game,
I'm like, you know, at home, Casey, Monday nights lights
will be on. They could be playing my high school team.

(05:23):
I just this ain't the spot if they were playing
a ten am kickoff against the Carolina Panthers or the
Jacksonville Jags at five and oh at six and oh,
they're eventually going to lay an egg, but not in
this spot. And I just watched the Vince McMahon documentary.
And in the era that I grew up in in
the definitely the mid to late nineties, I got into

(05:45):
wrestling as a kid, probably Stone Cold, the Rock Undertaker,
Goldberg Generation X as I was kind of in junior
high and watched it a lot, So I really enjoyed
the documentary. And like most probably kids kids my age
when I was really young, Hulk Hogan was kind of
a TV star and he was one of the most famous,

(06:05):
I would say, celebrities on the planet in that entire business, Like,
it gives you such a different view. Obviously there's a
lot going on in this documentary. Vin Vince got some
shit he's dealing with, and you know, he's obviously not
with the company anymore. But just in terms of the
business model, it's so predicated on the biggest stars. That's

(06:26):
how the business goes. And it's no different than any
of these other sports, Like there's a reason Derek Jeter
or Alex char to Regez or Tiger Woods or Tom
Brady or now Patrick Mahomes, Like that's what pro sports is.
It's reality television for superstars. And in football it's always
been carried my entire life by the biggest names and

(06:47):
best players, and the chiefs are now kind of fall
under the umbrella of you put the lights on and
you make the game big, we'll be there and we'll
be ready. And their head coat you could tell like
brought a little something extra in the first court because
tonight they destroyed the Saints. I mean, obviously they doubled

(07:09):
their first downs, They more than doubled their yards. They
basically doubled the time of possession. That was an ass kicking.
That was driving to the game. And during warm ups,
Andy Reid looks across and goes, that's Dennis Allen and
Derek Carr. I am going to embarrass these guys on
national television in front of twenty million people. And that's

(07:31):
what happened. And to me, one question mark with this
team has been, like, what are they going to do
a wide receiver? Before I went to work for the Eagles,
and when I got there, they had Jeremy Macklin and
Deshaun Jackson and Shady McCoy and Brent Sallek like our
passing game had Lashawn could really catch obviously the two
wide receivers. But like in Andy, what put Andy on

(07:54):
the map pre Terrell Owens were teams with wide receivers
that you didn't know that much any scheme. Guys open
and he had Donovan McNabb, a really good quarterback, not
a Patrick Mahomes, and a really good defense, and they
were consistently knocking on the door of being a Super
Bowl champ. Then he gets this level of quarterback and

(08:16):
the rest is history. But he's always hung his hat
on whether he had Terrell Owens, whether he had to
shun Jackson, whether he had Tyreek Hill, or whether he's
rolling out four tight ends. As Troy Aikman said in
the first quarter, he's like, I think Andy has had
four tight ends on the field, elevating guys from practice squad,
immediately throwing them the ball. His rookie wide receiver, which

(08:38):
he's clearly going to be dependent on now that rice
his knee injuries a little you know, up in the air,
but I don't expect to see him anytime soon. What
happened to night, Well, they targeted Worthy six times and
they gave him a carry at the goal line, which
he scored on like the wildcat with him and Kelsey.

(08:58):
So as time goes on, get ready, they are going
to feature that individual more. Travis Kelsey's old, he's washed.
He doesn't care. Ten targets a night, a bunch of
catches bunch of yards, looked excellent. But the driver of
this whole bus. Really it's two sided now because this
is not an offensive team. It's a defensive team, and

(09:20):
that defensive line, especially the interior of it, was destroying
the Saints. The guard center combination had no chance to
block those guys. And I would say they're most like
Pat Mahomes. He is the total showman. Now, he's very
farvy in what Rogers was. For a little while, I'm

(09:42):
trying to think of he's kind of in his own
little category. Lamar does it. But Lamar, like some of
his showmanship is just his just incredible athleticism when he's
running around. But like Patrick, he has a little I
think he can hot dog while being folk in playing
at a really high level. It's a unique quality. Very

(10:04):
small percentage of people can do. But I think Chris Jones,
when you followed them last year, you went, yeah, you know,
he's picking his spots. And when you think about bright lights,
and I saw it when I lived in the barrier
with the Kevin Durant Warriors. Well after the first season,
they're like, yeah, we don't give a shit about any
of these games. And for the most part they didn't,
but occasionally you put them on a Saturday night on

(10:26):
ABC against a big time team. Once the playoffs started,
that's when they would try. Now, in football, because games
mean more than these other team sports, you can still
get up for certain regular season games, and a Monday
night football game is pretty easy. And you saw Chris
Jones the night he flipped a switch in that second half.
He's like, yeah, I'm Chris Jones. Now that Aaron Donald's retired,

(10:49):
I'm the best interior defensive lineman in the NFL, and
whenever I want, I will be all over the quarterback.
Oh and I won't just line up over guards and centers.
Sometimes I'll just go lineup over the tackles when I
feel like they're gassed or we like our matchup. And
then their defensive coordinator it doesn't feel currently, we'll see

(11:11):
Flores has to do it for a long period of time.
Spack's been doing this right as the Chiefs defensive coordinator
now for whatever five six years, in big games, in
big spots. When he calls blitzes, there is always a
guy coming completely untouched, and it's usually a smaller defensive
back or linebacker that is moving at a high rate

(11:33):
of speed and is going to hit the quarterback really
really fast and force him to get rid of the
ball really quickly. And there was something late in the
game after, you know, they kind of made it a
close game when it really on the scoreboard, when it
really wasn't. It's sixteen to seven. Mahomes throws the ball
on the goal line, hits his fingers, bounces into the air.

(11:53):
The Taylor Swift guy who actually played for the Kansasye
Chiefs for four years and his two times Super Bowl champ, Saunders,
catches it runs. Was one of the cooler plays of
the night. And then they scored on that drive. I
mean that was essentially a fourteen point swing because you
remove that individual moment, the game was a beat down.
It really was. And it started to meet with the

(12:15):
head coach who got pretty aggressive with the scheme because
I think the Saints are pretty good on defense and
he was kind of running circles around him. Then he
gets Kareem Hunt brings him back. He's mentioned this to
me before off the record. He's clearly pretty open about
it now talking with with Troy and Joe about like, yeah,
Kareem Hunt had a lot of issues, and we weren't
dealing with him anymore, and we feel like he's matured

(12:37):
since the last time we essentially just got rid of him.
He went other places. He's come back. I thought the
first couple weeks it's like, yeah, I don't really see it.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And Andy's got a little Belichick in him, Like they'll
always be.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
One guy that you're like how many rosters? I mean,
like Belichick the Patriots in their dynasty, best team in
the NFL, and there'd be a dude on the squad
who would play that like the other teams in the
NFL would kind of make fun of behind closed doors
because you couldn't do it publicly because like they're the
Super Bowl champs, But like, how is Belichick playing with
this guy? And I had a couple people text me

(13:11):
tonight about Steel. Great story, as we found out a
couple weeks ago his own family did not believe he
would be in the NFL and scheduled a Sunday wedding
a year ago. They didn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
But now he's not exactly the chief starting running back,
but he sure's help plays a lot and he's always
had a little curve ball in the back of his
pocket with a guy that most people go are we sure,
that's a fifty three man roster guy, and he's like
a starter for his teams who are usually the one
of if not as they are now the best team
in the league.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
So nice win for the Chiefs. Muscle flex and you
build up enough, right, I thought after the last couple
of games, it was gonna be hard just to maintain this,
but if their offense is a little more potent. Mahomes
to me looked much better, and he's looked better as
the season's gone on, just more comfortable. He looked really
good tonight. I thought he was he was excellent that

(14:02):
like to me, Yeah, I know, he didn't throw a touchdown.
You could throw the box score at me. I thought.
The difference of him and Derek who you know, Derek's
average per year on his contract is like thirty eight
million dollars a year, So it's not like and that's
the thing with these middle tiered guys. And I've known
Derek since Fresno State, and he still has some good moments,

(14:25):
like he made some impressive throws tonight. That interception he
threw at the beginning of the game is I don't know,
one of the most I don't even know what the
correct adjective is to describe it. My jaw hit the floor.
It's like what was I can't tell you how many
text messag I'm sure many people did too, like what
was that? What was he doing? Like, well, it's not

(14:47):
that big a deal. It's like a fifty yard punt
that they drove right down the field to scored that
how the Chiefs took the lead to having nothing and
this was a game that like, come on, Derek, you
know your team's got a not actually momentum because you
lost the last couple of games. Now Atlanta's won, Tampa's
kind of humming, like, don't have much margin frer here.
Now obviously he's injured, But you get into business with

(15:12):
those second to third tier quarterback guys, you better be careful.
You're really better be careful because if you get the
wrong one, it can be a problem. And you know,
Derek's career as we speak right now is kind of
in no man's land right as a players. As a
business entity, he's made and continues to make a shitload

(15:34):
of money. But in terms of listen, as someone who
was a big believer in the Saints watching him play
these last couple weeks against better teams, Like, I'm not
confident their playoff team, that's for sure, And I'm definitely
not confident. Like listen, I'm not the biggest believer in
Atlanta coming into the season. But Kirk Cousins a much
better player Derek. Like, the one thing Derek should be

(15:56):
able to do that Cousins can't do is Derek's I mean,
he's getting a little older in age, but like his
athleticism and ad libability doesn't really exist. That's one thing
with Mahomes. Sometimes you'll watch him, You'll be like, I
remember when Mahomes is a really good athlete and he
won't really do much, and then all of a sudden,
as he did late in the game, he'll do like

(16:17):
a three sixty juke, make a guy miss, do a
little Allen Iverson stutter step, scramble to the first down,
do a superman pose in the air. They're like, oh, yeah,
this guy. He might not beat Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray,
but relative to the rest of the league, I mean,
this is a big time athlete, and obviously he can
really throw on the run. He let a couple on
cork tonight, like, don't forget everybody, everyone, I still got it.

(16:40):
Sometimes you're watching Derek and he uncorks it. It's like
a moon ball into the air, Like what is that?
So you can't run the ball, They're gonna have problems.
They really could run the ball. Their first couple of weeks,
everyone wanted to make Kubiak the head coach. Are like
seven different teams. Three weeks later, they have not won
a game since. And I would imagine most people are

(17:02):
off the bandwagon. And where I get hesitant and what
why I understand the people that push back against me
is ultimately you're betting on Derek Carr and Dennis Allen,
and Derek has I think more moments. Both of them
have positives, Like Derek had some explosive play tonight. Dennis
Allen's pretty good defensive coordinator, but you just need consistency.

(17:26):
Derek can never avoid mistakes. He's already made multiple awful
interceptions this year. And while Dennis is a good defensive coordinator,
he is the head coach, so and he just doesn't
win a lot. And I hope we could overcome that
with talent, But you saw tonight like the Chiefs. It
was like JV vers Varsity. I would say ninety percent

(17:47):
of that game felt JV vers Varsity. And I don't
know if that's more of a slight at the Saints
or more of a compliment to the Chiefs, because if
they can like as Jude, you're gonna do what he
did every night. No, but you know they've won a
lot of games that guy, and they feel good about
his rapport with Mahomes and obviously once worthy in Hunt

(18:10):
and Kelsey it going. It kind of open it up
for other guys. The league might be lucky that Rice
isn't around, because if they got some of these other
guys going, they would just kick the shit out of everybody.
So must be awesome to be a Chiefs fan. It's
what it probably felt like being a Patriot fan all
those years. Okay, we'll do a quick penhouse out house here.
I think the penthouse is relatively small. You know, the

(18:32):
AFC has some more people living in the penhouse. You
already know the Chiefs could have lost this game by
twenty Nothing matters they I'll say this every week. They
are not leaving the penhouse to the playoff start and
I don't really expect them to lose in the playoffs either,
but they feel like they're a lock to be in
the Penhouse for a while by the end of this year.

(18:52):
If they win another Super Bowl, they might purchase the
entire Penhouse, and then it's whether you just want to
either purchase or leave the apartments in the building from them.
I gotta put Baltimore in right. They've just started ozho
and two. They were leading by ten against the Raiders.
If they played the Raiders one hundred times, I think

(19:14):
that in Baltimore they win ninety nine. That's just the
one time they don't. The Chiefs game, a lot of
people go is one inch. I thought they got out
played for a lot of that game. But they should
have a Raiders win and should be just right there
right with Kansas City in Houston as a team that
feels good about their number one overall seed chances. I
stumbled upon Harbaugh today's press conference. He wasn't as down

(19:38):
on their defensive performance as a whole, he thought, and
he's right. He's like Burl was freaking credible. The back
shoulder or the backfoot throws. He was getting pressured and
he was still so accurate. The wide receivers made some
great contested catches, but even he said there were five
or six that are just unacceptable. And he didn't say this,

(20:01):
but he essentially said, in a playoff game against Mahomes,
in a playoff game against whoever is a top quarterback,
we lose when we screw up those plays. So luckily
it's only you know, early October, but that's definitely a concern.
Their run defense is really good. But if you can
throw on them, I mean, how did the Chiefs beat

(20:22):
him last year? A couple of drives throwing the ball
right to Kelsey. And but if Lamar's going to play
like that, hell, Burrow's going to play like that. Sucks
to have Burrow just looking like that and be one
and four. God, that sucks the Bengals job. That'd be
pretty interesting. If Zach Taylor gets can't which I read
something on the internet, you can never tell things are

(20:44):
true or not that he was already being told, which
I would imagine if they won like four or five
games in Burrow in the offense looks incredible. Even though
he's technically the offensive coordinator, he is the head coach
that they would fire everybody, and that would be a
job that a lot of people would line up to.
If I was Belichick, I would I would play some calls.

(21:04):
Houston has not looked great like they were a team
that I like to be the number one overall seed.
They're right there behind Kansas City, play them later this season,
but the eye test the last couple of weeks has
been a little off. Lose Nicocollins early in that game,
after he had a touchdown, he looked good. They just
don't quite look as crisped as they did the second

(21:27):
half half of last season. Obviously a lot of pressure,
a little different vibe playing teams who are gunning for you.
Two got to sneak up on some people last year.
Not the case. I'm definitely not bearish on this squad
at all, but they've earned the right four and one.
Looked at their schedule, they play the Patriots this week.
Safe to say they're gonna be five and one. I

(21:48):
think you're gonna look up and their record is gonna
be right there with Baltimore and Kansas City, even if
they don't look as dominant as those two teams. So
to me, I wouldn't count Houston out Buffalo. I don't
know what. I don't know if I can include you
in there that they've been the last couple of weeks, obviously,

(22:09):
But one thing I had mentioned when I talked to
Colin about the bad game I had on my TV setup.
The Raven game was so good that I just gave
it my biggest TV and I gave it the volume,
and I put the Bills Texans game on its own
TV as well, but it didn't have any volume. So
and They're both heating up down the stretch, and I'm

(22:29):
watching that game and Josh gets crushed and then I
kind of look up and I see he's going to
the blue tent, and then you know, Trubisky's coming in.
I didn't realize. So I heard some people on podcasts say,
saw the clip today, I mean he got knocked out.
I mean he was nine nights like that thing. He
was sleeping. But that was late in the game, so

(22:52):
I you know, if anyone wants to say, like, you know,
might have led to his back, like he was bad
the majority of the game, but he did get KOed
with whatever less than five minutes to go in the game,
which you could argue that is on McDermott in that situation.
Also as the head coach, he might legitimately not know
that he was out on the field, because a bunch
of people are saying, does the NFL not cares the

(23:12):
independent neurosurgeon? What is Listen, I don't know. I can't
pretend to have been there. But you see the video.
It's clear he's out. He's out now. I'm not gonna
go on some moral rant because listen, I would never
turn off the game, so I'm not gonna pretend like
this is unacceptable. A lot of people would say that
you couldn't pay them to turn off the television, So

(23:33):
I'm not going to pretend to be something I'm not like.
I'm watching no matter what, and I don't feel bad
about it. And these guys all know what they're doing.
But clearly like he was out and the rules are
supposed to be. When you get KOed like that, I'm
not sure you come back into the game. He was
ripping some smell Insalts came in and honestly pre and
post whatever. You know, after getting KOed, he looked the same,

(23:55):
He wasn't great. They were off, So to me, Buffalo's
got some problems right now, and they definitely can't afford
to win games if he's not going to dominate, their
just team isn't as good. So the AFC has just
basically got Kansas City Ravens Houston. Sorry, Steelers, like you can't.
I didn't have you in last week, but I'm definitely
not having you in this week. When Dak throws two picks,

(24:17):
I'd forgotten this, but I saw a clip today. You
block the field goal and he fumbled. It's like, how
do you not win that game? Honestly, how do you
not win that game? So that's that was an awful
loss for the Pittsburgh given the turnovers. But is what
it is the NFC. I think there's only one team.

(24:44):
Obviously it didn't play great against the Jets, but you're
allowed to have a version of a stinker if you win.
When you have been beating every other team in the
first half by like thirty five to seven on average.
They have been destroying people. They had literally led going
into the Jets game for all but four minutes of

(25:06):
their first four games, and it's felt like every single
week they were up fourteen, twenty one, nothing before you
even blink. So yeah, they weren't as dominant against the
Jets as they have been the previous four weeks, but
you go there kind of kick Aaron Rodgers ass. Justin
Jefferson was given Sauce Gardner the business hot take. I

(25:29):
think Sauce a little overrated. He's a good player. He's
a good player, but sometimes the way he's talked about
maybe it's a little bit of the region. Being in
New York, it's like he's Reebis or Dion, like he's
not even I don't even think it's close who the
best corner is in the NFL, and it ain't him.
Now you could make the argument that it's someone else,

(25:51):
I guess, but to me certain right now in Denver,
much more fluid athlete, you know, Sauce, anyone that can
run good routes. If you're a long corner like he is,
obviously you're gonna give bigger guys trouble because you can,
or smaller guys if you get up to him on
the line. But if you get a guy who's also

(26:13):
big and an elite route runner, you're not as smooth
or fluid. So Justin Jefferson was open with ease all day,
just like any high end wide receiver who can run
routes is gonna get open on that guy. So you
can't just claim like I'm the greatest corner of all
time run the best corn in the NFL is if

(26:36):
you go up against another great player who is a
good route runner and that guy gets open on every
single route. Obviously, if you're a dB, you're gonna get beat.
Sometimes Dion gotta beat every once in a while, not often,
or Revus, but like the like, just as use those
guys Reevs or Dion or just players of that stature

(26:56):
are just in a different stratosphere, like this, is he
a lot o to tell me who's playing? And if
that's the case, like there was never tell me who
Dion's playing, It didn't fucking matter. So I just think
that the hype on Sauce watched him a little this year,
not acting like the guy's a scrub. He's a high

(27:16):
end player relative to his position, but he's talked about
like he's just some first ballot Hall of Fame or
all time great. I don't know. I would expect more
if I was the Jets, if that's given the hype,
or if I was a fan, But so Minnesota and
the only other team. I can't quite put him there yet.
I can't now. I do think the Bengal win was impressive,

(27:39):
even if their defense kind of got shredded. Just to
go on the road in that environment. It's weird. I
give you. You get credit for a win in the NFL,
but you play the Browns, like if Deshaun Watson mentally
checked out, physically checked out the team, how could you
not quit on the guy? They got issues and Washington
took care of business. You win this weekend. You play

(28:02):
the Ravens and you win this weekend, I think we
would have to consider Washington as like a legit NFC contender.
And honestly, if you if you won this weekend, you
convinced me like Washington or Minnesota, like, you know, I'd
have to think about that one. Okay, I wanted to

(28:32):
talk about the Jets the other day. You know, like
a lot of people, you get weird things on your
Instagram feed, and mine revolve around food, football, golf, and
dogs and basically everything that is associated under that umbrella
fires into my Instagram algorithm. And this podcast I have

(28:55):
no clue what it is, but they were It was
a couple like legendary old school kanasity Chiefs guys, and
one guy on the podcast the clip that I saw
was Tim Grunhardt, who was a longtime offensive lineman for
the Chiefs when the Marty Schottenheimer the nineties and they

(29:15):
they had really really good teams, and he was talking
about the two years when they traded. I guess was
he a free agent? I guess they traded for him.
Don't quote me on that was. I wasn't even ten
years old then, but I was just reading on Wiki
that when they got Joe Montana, he got like a
three year, whopping ten million dollars total guarantee. I mean,

(29:36):
this is the most accomplished player in the history of
the league at the time and got ten million dollars
over three years. So it is now at the time
ten million dollars in Kansas City. Obviously, it is a
lot of money. Money's all relative, but the money that
the equivalent now like Rogers took a pay cut, remember
that was a big deal with the Jets, and listen,
he did not have to do that, but it.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Was like he gave him back twenty five to thirty
million from one hundred end of seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's like it's a different world. But the one thing
he talked about was the belief and the calmness that
Joe brought to the table. He just kind of made
everyone belief because he was easygoing and the nature that
he had when he got the way he carried himself
when he would get into the huddle that first year

(30:24):
and they'd be in tight games. They won the AFC
West that year. They had not won the division in
twenty two years. Now. They had had some good teams
in prior years, but you can't fake one. It's about
having a resume, and then it's about having a belief.
And the only way you can get a belief into

(30:45):
a guy is see him immediately do it. And I
think one issue for the Jets is like Joe Montana
got there and they were just immediately good and they
were already kind of decent, and he took him up
a level and that first year there they made it
to the conference. They lost to the Buffalo Bills, who
would go on to lose whatever their third or fourth
straight Super Bowl in ninety three. But like the Chiefs,

(31:08):
I mean, this is a team not winning division, not
winning playoff games. Joe Montana gets there, they immediately become better,
and by the end of the season they're in the
conference championship game, and I think in a playoff game
he led him back like a historic comeback. At the time,
they were the Houston Oilers. So last year like this,
we talk a lot about this with equity, Like Joe

(31:29):
Montana didn't have any equity with the Chiefs right so
when he showed up he kind of had to prove
it right away. It was like, damn, this easy going guy,
and he's Joe Montana, and he's good, and he's better
than anything we had. Now, no one will argue that
Rogers isn't better than anything you had, but every time
you watch them, it does just feel weird. And at

(31:49):
this point in time, when you watch Rogers the last
couple of weeks against good defenses, he does look like
a shell of his former self. And whether it's just
his knees getting banged up, he's been rolled up on
a couple times the last couple weeks. He did not
move nearly as well as he did in that Patriots game,
And a couple of weeks later that Patriot game, like

(32:11):
that team fucking blows. I mean that has a chance
to be a team, like one of the worst teams
in like a half decade. If you told me they
don't win another game at this point in time. And
I was someone that better on them last week against Miami,
but it was mainly short ined Miami. Like it's like
a three win team. But listen, we've see some three

(32:32):
four win teams, Like, hey, this team has had a
million injuries, just kind of fell apart, and like, this
is a three win team, I don't know how they
won any three games. And you just watch Aaron Rodgers
and he is not the dominant guy that we just
saw three four years ago with Matt Lafleur, Like we
can acknowledge that on his best day now he's like

(32:54):
the tenth best quarterback. And on his worst day and
he saw I would say a lot of bad in
that Vikings game. He's going to turn the ball over.
He can't control the ball on a pinpoint shoe strink.
He's never been mister fundamentals. That's never been his thing.

(33:15):
Of course, not didn't have to be. I went to
college with some guys that were straight A students. They
went on to own companies I swear to god they
didn't study. I'd have to study my ass off to
hope to get like a C best case scenario B.
So we're not all on the same level playing field. Well,

(33:35):
who were two guys that could not circumvent fundamentals in
practice in training his peers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning
because they didn't have the athleticism of Aaron. So they
played really one way their entire career, within a couple
of year yard radius in the pocket, because that was

(33:55):
the only way they could have success. It's the only
way they knew. They could not scramble. There was a
play in the Niner game brock Purty scrambles around. They
clock it. It's like ten seconds, and they're like Tom
Brady's laughing about it. It's like, I probably never held
the ball longer in one given play than five seconds,
maybe because I couldn't. Well, Rogers could get away with it.

(34:17):
Until now he looks much closer to just an old
guy playing NFL football. And in the history of my life,
most athletes that were late thirties early forties, when they
that were like legends, when they changed teams, it did
not go well. What Tom Brady did. Going to Tampa

(34:38):
and resurrecting that place at forty two, forty three years
old will probably never be seen again. It just will not.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Because you just watch Stafford looks kind of old now,
not like in a bad way you'd want to cut
him or not want him as your quarterback, but like
you feel as thirty six, thirty seven years old. Aaron Rodgers,
I mean, honestly, his face, he looks like fifty five
years old.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
But movement, arm strength not quite as good as it
was a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Still better than anything the Jets have had. But I look,
because I sometimes I forget. It's like, what was the
exact trade compensation. Well, they give him a first round
pick in twenty twenty three, I think it was pick fifteen,
and then then pick the following year was a second rounder,
and obviously it was contingent. If he played more, I
think than sixty five percent of the snaps, it would

(35:27):
have kicked to a first rounder.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, he rips his achilles four or five plays into
the season, it ends up being like pick forty one,
which I look today the Packers actually used that pick
trade it back. But that's beside the point. You trade
it a lot for a guy thirty nine years old
whose resume speaks for itself. Is one of the best
players in any sport I've ever watched, and we can

(35:50):
argue all day long. He'd let you down. True, sometimes
he didn't play great in the playoffs, but sometimes he
also did in his defense was awful. But the guy
that I'm witnessing now, I've been watching this guy since
I was in college at col I mean, I went
to a couple of his games in college, and obviously
I didn't think he was gonna become what he became.

(36:12):
And then once he became it, I've seen him live
I don't know three four times in his heyday. I
was with the Eagles the year they won the Super Bowl.
They played us in the first round. I think James
Jones had three touchdowns in that game. That was as
Rogers was coming on the scene, like hey, Tom and Peyton,
I'm coming now. It turns out that would be the
only Super Bowl he ever won. But I actually thought

(36:36):
a couple of years ago on one of those I
don't know if his first MVP season or second MVP
season might have been the year they lost to Brady Honestly,
it might have been the following year when somehow the
Niners beat him at home. I thought one of those
two years they were gonna win the Super Bowl. Clearly
that didn't play out that way. But regardless, that guy,
the guy from the McCarthy era, is so long gone.

(37:00):
And then the older guy that resurrected his career with
Lafleur in kind of the Hybridge Shanahan offense, and he
still allowed him to do the shotguns spread it out,
which he likes to do. I thought it had mastered
the position because he was so smart, he was so accurate,
but unlike the pocket quarterbacks that like, he could really

(37:21):
move still. And it just kind of feels gone. It
really does. And the Jets organization has to be on
the list of bottom three or four. I don't care
who the coach is, I don't care who the GM is.
In tough situations, and this is a tough situation, I'm
going to bet against you, and anyone with a brain

(37:44):
or common sense should why because history's on our side.
So it's just hard to overcome the Jets. A lot
of memes are out there, like you're telling me this
guy tore his Achilles laid on the ground, lost an
entire season, and basically said can't wait to come back
to the Jets. Like this guy chose the Jets and

(38:08):
Robert Sala Joe Douglas. You can remove names put in
they fire both those guys add new names. I would
say history shows us that it's usually not gonna go well.
So Aaron Rodgers not the same guy. But this situation
is just historically pretty consistent. Most things do not turn

(38:30):
out to be Tom Brady or Joe Montana most of
the time in pro sports, basketball, baseball, and football. With
these guys basically forty years old, it looks like this.

(38:53):
I wanted to play little game. We're gonna call it
What's Next, and then I'll just insert you know whoever,
a team, a player, a situation because there's so much
going on. It's like I don't want to just do
like individuals, like, let's let's just play a little game.
So this will just be what's next for the Browns

(39:15):
and Deshaun Watson, And I'll rattle off a bunch of
other ones too, But I wanted to start with this
what is next for Deshaun Watson the Browns first, and foremost,
this is easily the worst situation in the league when
you factor in the contract, the coach now being forced
to lie the quarterback who has this look like he's

(39:40):
just kind of dead inside when you see his eyes right,
and then as an individual player, he is just horrendous.
So I even saw some new stats today. Obviously his
him against the Blitz is like historically poor, since like
the nineteen seventy Merger, his eye test of just when
he scrambles around and just ends up in these hillacious

(40:04):
sacks and unless it's a dink or dunk, there is
nothing there. And you watch some of these great athlete
and all these guys are different from each other, but
he was in the mold of Russell, Wilson, Kyler, Murray
Lamars was always better than even Houston DeShawn but just

(40:25):
a guy that can really scramble around, move around and
be explosive down the field. All those guys like the
Seattle version of Russell, not the guy we see now.
We don't actually see a guy now because he's on
the sideline, which is like not quite sure what's going on.
And they said they're going to go with a quarterbacks,
which I would not under no circumstances, I will just
go down with Fields. I will not have Russell Wilson,

(40:45):
Dnking and duncan me to losses. At least there's always
a chance justin Fields can just take off or hit
a deep bump. But that's a conversation for another day.
But what is next for the situation? Because you can't
cut him, Let's just hypothetically said they cut him tomorrow,
which is not gonna happen, but let's just use that
as an example. I thought about this today. I don't

(41:10):
think he'd ever play in the NFL again. He'd be
like John, how can you say that? We have seen
so many Yeah, good players who had questionable off the
field situations get second chances. That has always happened, and
guess what, it always will happen. This capitalism and the

(41:30):
best of the best. If you're better than your peers,
we will overlook your problems because I think Doc Rivers
said this one time, if your production outweighs your problems,
we'll make a spot for you. Well, this guy's production
literally outweighs nobody. He's the worst player in the NFL.

(41:51):
I feel pretty confident saying that, like Trevor Lawrence has
played bad and has not had a good season at all.
There is not a gym manager in the NFL. There
is not a head coach in the NFL. There is
not a fan in the NFL who would take Deshaun
Watson over Trevor Lawrens. Anthony Richson, who will get into
in a minute, is pretty big roller coaster, right, you

(42:15):
would take working with that, and obviously he's a good guy,
no issues over whatever the hell Deshaun Watson is. I
do feel very strongly if this offseason they were just
to bite the bullet and cut him because the trademarket
obviously is non existent. I don't think we would ever
see this guy play in the NFL again. So think

(42:38):
about when you think where is this team gonna go?
They are forced to ride it out, who knows, maybe
two more years. I don't see it going past this
year and next if he continues to play like this,
But I do see a scenario where they just roll
this out for the next couple of years, given what
they're paying him for a player I'm not talking a starter.

(43:01):
I'm talking being on another roster would not be on
another roster in the National Football League. I saw some
people today because Kevin Stefanski said after the game, he's
our quarterback, but basically, you know, God is back, like
we're not benching them, and that was a huge hoopla
on the internet. Put in jameis winz, it can't be

(43:23):
worse than that, and that I agree with, It's impossible
to be worse than this, cause you get this guy
who has lost all of his confidence, who clearly no
longer looks like a good athlete, whose arm looks dramatically
worse than what once did, and he is just running
back there like a chicken with his head cut off,

(43:43):
just running into defensive linemen getting hit like a pinball
like it's an awful watch. It really is. And then
you factor in the toxicity of his brand, given what
he stands for outside of the NFL that I just
don't see a solution here. And I can't imagine being

(44:04):
a Browns fan going, We're gonna be stuck with this
guy for whatever twenty five more games that we have
to watch him. But why would it get better once
this situation ends. Your owner has proven to be completely nuts,
he really has, Like Deshaun Watson is on your team,

(44:29):
because he simply got involved. He was never going to
be a Brown ever, did not want to come there,
and he said, we will fully guarantee every penny, and
David malgetto one of the only guys who will support
Deshaun Watson publicly and probably privately. Of course he would.
He's the agent. He's got his hand in the cookie

(44:50):
jar on that deal. If I was him, I would too.
That's most business. You look past shit when you're profiting
from it, and that's what he does here. But this
situation is really, really ugly, and you can't convince me.
Kevin Stefanski's just some feel age idiot. Now. I watched
him last year with Joe Flacco, and there's a reason
they didn't call Joe Flacco who will get to next?

(45:12):
Because you couldn't the owner. I'm giving this guy all
the money if he wants to get rid of the coordinator,
if he wants to, I don't want Joe Flacco around.
I don't even want to risk the chance that. Imagine
if Joe Flacco was the backup right now. It's one
thing with Jameis Winston. Put Jamis Winston in. A lot
of us could argue, like it's James Winston even any good.

(45:34):
I'm sure he's better than Deshaun Watson. That's a low bar.
But if Joe Flacco was on the team, there wouldn't
be one fan who essentially is your consumer, because without them,
none of this exists. That two hundred and thirty million
dollars doesn't just come from the sky, come from the
television networks who get it because of all these people

(45:56):
willing to watch these games. The Browns have a big
fan base, and if they're watching this, it would be
a mutiny in bre Ohio if they would not put
Joe Flacco in. So, if I'm gonna I might even
give them credit on this one. You could not bring
Joe Flacco because we all saw this coming. We all did.
So when you hear Joe Flacco tell I don't even

(46:18):
know who it was last week, Albert Breer or McAfee, like, yeah,
they didn't call me. But he's like, nothing really surprises me.
He's being nice. He knows why. He knows why because
I'm watching what's next for Joe Flacco in the Indianapolis Colts.
Because you watch them and you watch him and you
go he's the best quarterback on the team. He's really

(46:42):
the best quarterback on multiple teams. He's the best quarterback
on the Colts. He's the best quarterback on the Cleveland Browns.
This is a guy that everyone was making fun of
three or four years ago, and now he's clearly the
best player for like several teams in the NFL. So
I do understand like the difference of the The Show
on Situation and Anthony Richardson. You take this kid forth overall,

(47:05):
and part of drafting him high was Listen, there's a
lot here to work with. But we gotta work with this.
We gotta mold it, we gotta figure it out. There's
something there. But it's this isn't just some plug and
play scenario, right He wasn't gonna look like the way
Jayden looks right now, or even Trevor Lawrence earlier on
in his career, Jared Goff, or just some of these

(47:27):
quarterbacks that, like, even when they're kind of shitty, it's like, ah,
I can kind of see that Anthony Richardson is a
is a I think he has the lowest QBR florio,
which sounds crazy because I thought DeShawn did. But so
far now he's only played a couple of games because
of injuries, and Flacco has only played two games. Obviously,
replacing him has the highest Flacco just looks good, he

(47:50):
really does. And I understand putting Anthony Richardson back into
the game, and I think it would be easier to
just redshirt him. If this was his rookie season. I'd
be like, you know what, guys, let's just take a breath.
Let's let him sip from behind and learn, take notes
and just kind of soak it all in. But it's

(48:11):
his second year, so let's just give him a couple
more weeks un till he's ready. Well, let's say Flacco
wins a couple of games, and that logic of like
just roll out, Flaco, It's like, okay, and you can
live in the here and now. But part of drafting
the guy high was one we believed in his talent,
but to the contract. Part of the benefit of drafting

(48:34):
a quarterback in the top ten or the first couple
rounds and then playing in the immediately if he's good,
is that he doesn't cost you very much money, so
they'd be all out of whack. And I just think
you get yourself in these weird situations where there's no
way they can say with the straight face that Anthony

(48:56):
Rigson is today today a better player in Joe Flacco
and gives our team a better chance to day. Like
Anthony Riginson against the Jags would not have given them
a better chance to win than Joe Flacco. Anthony Riginson
against Steelers two weeks ago would not have given them
a better chance than Joe flaccol And I'm not Anthony Riginson.

(49:17):
Though I've been a little concerned pre injury what we saw.
I'm still pro projects, high character, hard working projects, which
from all accounts people I know in the league and
just knowing the Colts, I like everything I heard about
Anthony Richardson. So it doesn't mean they're all gonna work.
But I am a proponent of doing that as a

(49:40):
drafting strategy. Sometimes you can't just fucking try to hit
an opposite field single, like, hey, we're down three runs,
we gotta run around a second third. Let this fucking
thing rip try to hit one off the wall. And
I'm a fan of that logic and that mindset in
most walks of life, obviously including football. But eventually he

(50:01):
gets some information. Now we have a lot to learn
with anthy Bridgesson. I would say the one thing that
is kind of a fact is he gets injured all
the time. It's like, well, the play calling, well, I
can't just have him drop back and throw it forty
times because he's one of the most inaccurate quarterbacks in
the league, so I kind of got to run him.
And it's like, well, all these quarterbacks are running around

(50:22):
no problem. Lamar does it. Jayde Daniels is doing it.
Dude's running like a gazelle. So can this guy do it?
I mean, because if he can't, and he's always gonna
get hurt whenever he runs because he doesn't slide, which
is also a problem, we got problems and this whole
thing is going to be a disaster. What's next for

(50:43):
DeVante Adams. I've thought a lot about this one. To me,
the Jets have absolutely no business trading for him, And
if they were to lose on Monday Night Football to
the Bills and fall to two and four, like, let's
just be real, this team ain't rattling like a four
game win streak off, You're probably destined to be a
seven eight win team. So getting rid of a pick

(51:05):
which Adam Schefter reported, I know a lot of Raider fans.
I have been around that organization and seeing how passionate
the fan base is. It's pretty special. It's a it's
a unique organization. It's kind of got this collegiate feel
with alumni with the history to this, like I don't

(51:29):
know succession with al Davis of being this like powerful
patriarch of it all and just being nuts but being great,
and then they've had twenty plus years of just embarrassment.
And I think I mentioned this yesterday Charles Woodson's comments
of like why can't we have nice things? And this
is not all on the Raiders. You know Davante clearly

(51:54):
some of his comments I thought he made in the
Receiver documentary. It's like, eh, like I could see being
his teammate and being like, my standard is my standard
even if we even if we lose, Well, you're just
mad you got two balls right, and you're a high
character team first guy always, I thought. But then you're
bitching and moaning last year when you won some games

(52:15):
because you only caught one ball, Like that's not really
how it works. Imagine a quarterback after his team wins,
bitching and moaning and then he only threw one touchdown, like, yeah,
I'll be happy when I throw three or four. No
one says that no defensive lineman's pissed off after his
team wins because he didn't have a sack. Whole points.
You practice all we can try to win. So I'm
not absolving Davante from this. But one thing I've heard

(52:38):
out there in the grape vine is that I think
the Antonio Pierce they saw after they all put Josh
McDaniels in a guillotine, stabbed him in the back, lit
his body on fire, and threw them in one of
that Vegas lake where they found a bunch of bodies
from the mob, essentially, which I don't even blame them
for doing. He was objectively bad, and I watched a

(52:59):
decent amount of Raider games and his team's stunk. It
was not going well, so get it. But you ride
this Antonio Pierce wave. One thing I heard of the
offseason starts feeling himself a little bit. It might be
a little different vibe to him than what it was previously,
which is part of it. Like being the interim coach,

(53:19):
being the head guy. It's a little different. But here's
right now, I'm watching your team and you're getting fucking ransacked.
Sean Payton just made you look like a JV squad.
You can only hold on to coming back ten points
to the Ravens for so long. We'll be in Halloween
before you know it, and that game will seem like
a distant memory. So, yeah, it was cool smoking those

(53:42):
cigars and puffing your chest out. If you played the
Ravens ten times. I think most of us are betting
on them basically ten out of ten times. Yeah, you
might beat him once Maybee twice, but they're getting the
eighty plus percent of the time. So I think when
you look at this whole situation, the Raiders are a
mess or an absolute disaster, and now the owner wants

(54:03):
to dictate the cost of what Davante's value would be.
This is my issue with some of these owners, like Mark,
who's not really a meddler, but I get it from
his standpoint of like, how many times are we going
to trade a high pick, which they traded a first
round pick for this guy, and now his value you

(54:24):
just tell me is like they give us a third
and we give him Davante in a fifth, And it's
essentially like a fourth. It was like, well, the money,
the cap, and that's a fact, Like, no one's offering
us a second. He's thirty two years old. He's currently injured,
we think, but some of those comments aren't exactly like yeah,

(54:48):
I'll throw the kitchen sink at the guy. So I
just think what's next for Davonte. I could see him
being on the Raiders. I saw Antonio Pierce saying kind
of status quo, that is quote, you guys, just this
is why you can. Guy always gotta be careful with these, uh,
the bad organizations. Right. You see it in the NBA

(55:08):
a lot when guys go to certain teams and it's
like this, this is really gonna work. This is this
team is finally gonna be relevant. Like three weeks later
that dude wants a trade. It's like what happened to
the Brooklyn Nets with all those guys that came through.
It's like, yeah, of course, like this this is gonna
be a disaster. Anything with the Raiders, even when it

(55:28):
feels like god, yeah, Josh McDaniels from the Patriots resurrect
his career, Davante back with this boy Derek Carr. Two
years later, they're all gone, and even Max Crosby's having
to go on rants about Michael Lombardi, how he doesn't
want to leave and he doesn't know shit. It's like, well,
Max does feel like kind of weird right now, It
really does. And and the more often you get your
ass kicked, not it wasn't necessarily Max's fault. I mean,

(55:50):
he's playing his ass off. He's injured, but like, no
one digs the franchise seriously. I think people think they
can take advantage of the Raiders and it's gonna be
interesting how the plays out, what's next for the Pats
QB situation. I'll be honest, I didn't watch a snap
of that game, not a snap, and I'm proud of
it because the game's irrelevant, it really is, and Miami

(56:14):
without Tua is also irrelevant. But the Pats, as long
as Jacoby's playing, no one that doesn't live in New
England that does what I do for a living needs
to watch them play.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
The moment Drake plays got to throw them on a TV.
I want to watch what's going on. If Tua were
to come back from Miami, Okay, I'll pay back attention,
but if you're rolling out Tyler Huntley against Jacoby Brissett.
I think you'd have to pay most football fans to
consume that. And it was broken. This not broken, but
it was alluded to by the rap sheets and schefter that, like,

(56:50):
you know, there's a movement, might be time for Drake
May to come play. Here was the problem with this
logic of we're gonna read him right, He's not gonna play,
He's gonna sit behind the team. We're gonna do some
of this practice stuff where he gets thirty to forty
percent of the snaps, which is unheard of in the NFL.

(57:12):
Your team was always gonna suck, and it turns out
you suck even worse. You have scored a total of
twenty six points the last three games. Twenty six points
the last three games. I mean, they're not even what's
They're not even averaged nine points a game right now,
over that period, it's impossible to hold the young guy

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back because eventually the owner, who's old, and let's face it,
most people, I can't even imagine the discourse in that
area after everything that happened this summer with him, like
creating a documentary to bash Belichick. Did people are gonna
want to see Drake May because that's the only way
for you to stay relevant because no one can watch that.

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And I will defend people that push back on like
if you're a Patriot fan, you don't get just dropped
the team. But I don't blame you if you're just
not really paying attention this year. It's like, wake me
up if Drake May start in a game. If not,
like I can take my wife to launch if I
have to mention a Patriot game, Like who cares? Like
I'm not expecting us to ever just rattle off super

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bowls again. But that's not worth our time. It's really
not and it's not all their fault. Belichick the last
couple of years. Bad job drafting, but it's a tough watch.
And Jacoby is an impressive guy as a human player,
pretty terrible, he really is. Last, but not least, you know.

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I think a lot of people have tried to come
up with these theories about college football and why it's
gotten so bananas, because I would say when I was
a kid growing up, there were two or three teams
and it was like they were basically beating everybody else
you knew at the start of the season, like unless
there's a crazy injury. Nebraska, Florida State, Miami with Pete

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Carroll USC. I mean there's always been a group of
three or four. It's like they're at lock. Well, back then,
if you re signed a guy to a scholarship and
he showed up on campus, if he wanted to leave,
like let's just say you're Pete Carroll or you know whoever.
The best coaches are even back in Nick Saban and
Urban Myers Day at Florida and early on in Alabama.

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I signed John Middlecoff to a scholarship a year in.
He hates hates me, hates the program, wants out. It's like, okay,
you can leave, but you got to sit out a
year to transfer somewhere, and it's not as easy to
just transfer back then there wasn't some portal where everyone
got on the horn and started talking clearly like now,

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it was much more complicated. So what happened. A lot
of guys stuck through. And there's a lot of stories
over the years of when I was a kid, when
I was in college, of like athletes telling their story
of like I hated it, I wanted to leave. I
called my parents, I called my high school coach. I

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called whoever was close in my life and said this,
I want out one of them. You could argue the
best player of all time Tom Brady. That's literally a story.
He had hated at Michigan, thought about transferring back to
cal and he got talked out of it by a
couple people. In twenty twenty four, tom Brady zero chance
spends his entire career in Michigan. There literally is negative

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zero percent chance that that happens. So now you're watching
college football and you're seeing all these crazy games, Like obviously,
the best teams are still going to be the best teams.
They have the most money, they pay the most for coaches,
they have the most history, like the Alabamas, Ohio States,
Georgia's you know, LSU, Texas. Obviously, now Oregon moving forward

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like they're not. Penn State are not going away. But
I think the day and age of just seeing the
three year run of Pete Carroll in the mid two thousands,
the Miami runs of the nineties and early two thousand, like,
I think those are done. And I think on any
given game with the transfer portal, with the lack of cohesion,
crazy stuff could happen Obviously, Vanderbilt beating Alabama is a

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pretty unprecedented moment and is not going to happen that often.
But like all of a sudden, Cal's decent. They're three
and one, four and one, and they're playing Miami, and
now everyone travels really far because of this conference rey alignment,
and all of a sudden, they're down thirty five to
ten or whatever it was, and should have won the
game if not for really a blown coverage on the

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final drive that the slot receiver took seventy yards. But
I think a huge reason for the parody, which is great.
What does the NFL have that It's like, I'm recording
this part before the Chiefs game. I think we all
acknowledge that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I'm not going to bet against the Chiefs, but I
wouldn't bet my life savings on the Chiefs every single game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
And eventually, whether it's this year, whether it's same, they're
gonna lose a playoff game. One of these games that
they've won seventeen to ten or seventeen to thirteen or
twenty to eighteen, Like one of those is gonna go
the other way. And that's the best part about football.
We know it's possible they can lose one of these
big games in January. Honestly, it's like a lock to happen.

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If not this year, next year. They're not winning four
in a row. I wouldn't put it past them to
win three in a row. But regardless, it's football, right.
Think about the two Tom Conflin teams. Part of the
reason that they were in the Super Bowl is because
they had insane upsets along the way, on top of
the upsets in the actual Super Bowl. So I just

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think college football has always felt like it's really just
two or three teams, and while the same teams are
probably still gonna be in the mix, it does bring
way more into play, and I think that makes the
sport way more interesting because the entire season now because

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it's football and every game does still matter, even if
you are allowed to lose games and get in Like
I would look at the Vanderbilt loss and I'm not
just getting my boys back here, it's like a twelve
team playoff. Guess I got news for you. They could
lose another game. Losing that game does not ruin their

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season at all. Now if they lose two more and
that's one of their losses, yeah, then we got problems.
But if they handle business and just lose one more
game and they're ten and two with Vanderbilt, now it
might determine their seeding. Instead of being the sixth seed,
they're the eleven seed. Okay, I don't necessarily care, but

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they're gonna be in the playoffs, and that's that's all
I care about, and then I'll bet on them then.
But I think that once the playoff brackets start, and
me and Colin talked about this, it has a much
closer to an NFL field, which pre transfer portal, pre
nil you look at the Final four in college football,

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I think the average margin of victory for that first
round was really high, and those were just two games
and we were constantly getting blowouts. So the sport now
just feels way more parody, not just across the board,
but definitely at the top. So where we used to
have two or three teams, now maybe there's like fifteen

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the difference of the fourteenth and the second. If you
get them on the right day, all of a sudden,
that team might win by ten. The volume