3 & Out - MNF Reaction, Is Mahomes okay, Michael Vick is coming back - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? Everybody? What a night
that was football? The Vikings beat the Bears and the

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Atlanta Falcons, which I thought was the worst game in
the history of games to be on prime time, turned
out to be a pretty riveting last couple of minutes,
hold On, Hold On for dear life in Las Vegas
and what looked to be a half empty crowd with
Mark Davis looking on with his gorgeous girlfriend. That's love
Mark Davis beautiful young girlfriend watching his team now was

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two and twelve and have a lot of issues. So
we will try to figure out everything that's going on.
A lot else that's going on in the NFL as well.
Patrick Mahomes series leg injury or ankle injury as week
to week, there's potential of him not just missing Saturday's game,
but then Christmas game. Why I think one I will

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thing for Netflix to see the power of the NFL.
And I'll tell you why. You know, we talk a
lot about guys like Mike Tomlin and Dan Campbell and
some of the leaders. Is there a guy in the
league that doesn't get as much credit that probably should
When it comes to leadership and adversity. So we'll talk

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about some other football stuff away from just as awesome
awesome Monday Night. Football Tonight was a night where I
felt I'm honored to do this for a living. I
get to watch Caleb Williams get destroyed. I get to
watch Desmond Ritter and Kirk Cousins corpse. Luckily all you
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to take a big picture of view twenty thousand feet,
like one of those drones right now flying over New
Jersey on what we witnessed tonight. Cause one thing, as

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these games were going on, I'm like, what am I
going to talk about? The Bears dysfunction, the Raiders quarterback issues,
the Atlanta Falcons honestly being one of the bigger disappointments
in the NFL. And then I realized, do you know
what was really evident as tonight went on ownership, well
run franchise and there was one of them playing tonight,

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and that was the Minnesota Vikings, and I was thinking,
we're all praying and hope Randy Moss gets well. Obviously
the situation that has played out from like within the
last month when you know, his eyes were discolored on
TV and then he had to step away and now
he's battling cancer. He said he lost it. So we're
all rooting for Randy, who is one of the most

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electric athletes of my lifetime. And you know, reminds me
when I fell in love with football in the mid
to late nineties, obviously, when he hit the scene and
played for the Minnesota Vikings with Chris Carter on really
good teams. And then the Vikings were good in the
two thousands, then they were good in the twenty tens.
Now they're good again. You know why, they're just always

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kind of good. Doesn't mean they're always winning Super Bowls,
doesn't even mean they're always winning the division, but it
just feels like they're a well run franchise. Starts at
the top, starts with ownership, starts with hiring the right people.
Starts with drafting and developing good players, and then you
see these other franchises and you go, what the bleep

(04:46):
is going on? Let's start with the Chicago Bears. They
are a joke, like they truly are. And I'm not
trying to beat a dead horse on this, but I
honestly thought, probably within ten minutes of actual play in
that game, there wasn't any chance, like literally no chance

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the Minnesota Vikings weren't winning that game. I didn't know,
just like all of you, what the final score would be.
Would it be thirteen to nothing, would it be forty
to nothing, would it be twenty to seven. But there
was zero chance the Bears had were even gonna sniff
a competitive performance, let alone the ability to win that game.

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And as it played out, it actually got worse and worse.
Same thing watching the Raiders and the Falcons, You're like,
what is going on? This is awful? And I think
when you start with the Bears, and I think these
other two teams will get to in a second, is
like they are a franchise that have been owned by
the same family for one hundred plus years. Right now,

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it's pretty clear Virginia who's one hundred plus years old,
her son George. They have no clue what they're doing.
Ryan polls the video shots on Monday Night Football of
him as Troy and Joe and listen. They're in a
tough spot. They're not podcasters, they're essentially league partners, so
they're not gonna shit on the organization act like it's

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not a good job. But when they say it is
a fantastic job, and Ryan Poles deserves to keep his job,
like it's easy for them to say, isn't necessarily true?
I don't know. Because Ryan Poles drafted a quarterback and
gave him an offensive line that is beyond atrocious. He
plays in a cold weather city where his big rival,

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the Packers, I know it's a one sided rivalry, plays
in a place called the frozen Tundra, and drafted a
wide receiver at nine when they're a countless offensive lineman
on the board. He is an offensive lineman. He literally
protected and was Matt Ryan's roommate, who pretty clearly made
the Atlanta Falcons for fifteen plus years. Because you remove him,

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they're a joke. But you look at the Bears, you
go the only sense of hope you could have as
a fan, because you know, like we'll never gonna be
the Minnesota Vikings with the mccaskeys. We're never gonna be
the Green Bay Packers with the mccaskeys. Hell, we're not
even the Ford family now that they have competent leadership.
We are screwed. We just have to pray because your

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quarterback looks atrocious, looks completely overmanned. And I said this
going on. You know, the last couple of weeks, they're
always down like fifteen and nothing at half time, twenty
to nothing at half time, sixteen and nothing at half time,
twenty four to nothing, Like the game's over at halftime
every single game they play, and then late in the
game he'll score a bunch of points. It's like, oh
kay Leb Williams coming on. Nothing mattered. It's like the

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defense is no longer mattered. You're no longer going up
against the scheme defense. When the game's on the line,
they're basically calling off the dogs, playing prevent defense. I
think you got to keep your fingers crossed and hope
it's like a Jared goff La Rams situation back before
McVeigh got there, and just go are coaching and are
people running this football team right now in terms of

(08:04):
around the players are so incompetent that if we just
get the right person, which is probably not gonna happen,
but if we did, look at the rams, they got
McVeigh and everything changed. Because if you do not, you
keep saying, well, let's go get Mike Vrabel even Troy,
like go trade for Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan would quit
football before he works for that operation. I promise you that.

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I promise you that, and I also got news for
you yet listen, like he likes the Brock party types
a lot more than a guy that holds the ball
and doesn't see anything. Because right now Caleb Williams is
seeing ghosts. He's not a very good player at all.
Now his coaching staff is, I mean an embarrassment. It
could go down if you look at the aggregate on

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the season starting with Ebra Flues as the worst coaching
staff in the league. You know, on the on the
opposite end of the spectrum, you look, you got Kevin O'Connell,
who's now just noticed the quarterback whisper. You got Brian
Flores who not very nice in TUA, but undeniable one
of the best defensive coaches in the league. At home,
Minnesota I think can go to to toe with any

(09:10):
team in terms of home field advantage. It looked like
Penn State white out. That place is going nuts. You're like,
this is gonna be a tough spot for Thomas Brown
and Caleb Williams, and it was. They were overwhelmed. They
couldn't move the ball. It was a joke, but like,
that's what the organization has been. And now you're going
to this offseason. You know, when they hired Kevin O'Connell,

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Like before that, they had Mike Zimmer. Before that, they've
had guys like Brian Billick, They've had bread Like, they've
had real guys from real places. And then all of
a sudden, you put Eberflus and Shane Walder. It's like,
what did you guys expect to put the quarterback in
that situation? And I think Minnesota, Green Bay and now
ironically Detroit because they were always like that as well.

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But now they're kind of in that class at least
for the last couple of years. We'll see if they
can sustain it over a long period of time. You're
very lucky that you're in that team's division because you're
gonna keep beating them. It's like Andy Reid has benefited
from just having the Raiders around him because most years
he's getting two victories. Now, Sean Payton, he's gonna benefit

(10:14):
most years, he's gonna get two victories. Jim Harbaugh, he's
gonna benefit most years he's gonna get two victories. Why
because the organization has no clue what they're doing. And
just because you get a sexy player that mel Kiper
or someone puts high on the big board, none of
that means a goddamn thing because it doesn't translate into anything.
But it's the opposite with good teams. Right when the
vikis get Justin Jefferson, he immediately maximizes his skills. When

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they get Darrisaw, he immediately maximizes the skill. They draft
Jordan Addison, he immediately maximizes his skills. Harrison Smith, Kendricks Forever,
Denil Hunter, like all the guys they've had over the
last seven, eight nine years, including the crop of guys
they have now maximize their skills. Look at Sam Darnold
comes there, maximizes his skills and he's a very skilled guy. Now,

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big picture for them, I think I'd be pretty concerned.
Is very difficult to go far because listen, Darnald can
be a little hit or missing tonight, he's a little
all over the place. He's missing his star left tackle
and then his right tackle goes out. How are you
going anywhere with missing your two tackles, especially when one's
all Pro Bowl level guy and the other guy's it
all starter, like, when you play the better teams, you're

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gonna be runn around for your life. Now, Luckily, Sam
is a good athlete and can move, got an explosive arm,
can throw on the run. But that is something to
watch because they clearly are very well coached defense and
offensively from a you know arsenal standpoint, the weapons they have,
I mean they got the one of him and Chase
are the two best receivers. Addison's an incredible number two

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tight ends back and healthy now Aaron Jones a stud
Donald's a really good player. It's like offensively, if they
were healthy, they would be a problem. I think they
could make serious noise in the playoffs. We'll have to
find out what O'Neill's injury, the right tackles injury is,
But if he's out for foreseeable future. Like I'm sorry,
I'm just out on their ceiling in the playoffs. But

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like their culture spoke this year because they they lost
their left tackle a while ago and they haven't skipped
a beat. So that's a well run organization. The Bears
are the opposite, just like when you look like the
Falcons are in shambles. Why because their quarterback is shot. Well,
they just gave the guy one hundred million dollars. Well
where did he come from? The Vikings who said, no, Moss,

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We're done, We're good, see you later. When I talk
about there are four teams a night, one team well run,
the others are a joke. I think the Falcons are
an embarrassment. I know they're seven and seven. I think
they stink. I really think they are bad. And part
of it falls on their shoulders. Of the quarterback, who

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is a sitting duck. He's never been able to move,
but clearly now after the injury, is I mean, is
just stagnant and tonight and as Orolofsky and Lewis were
talking about on the broadcast, his confidence is shot. I
mean he's lost out there, he is swimming, and they
got bailed out on that call when when the linebacker

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blocks you know, the ball, which was a great defensive
call by Patrick Graham, the defensive coordinator never had a
shot with him coming right up the middle, and they
called it roughing the passer, which is just it's just
not the right call. You just cannot call that pass.
But you watch Cousins play like he's just a bad
player right now, like he's a really bad player. You

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watch Caleb Williams, he's a really bad player right now.
I can't even judge. I'd be honest. I haven't watched
that much of the Raiders this year, mainly because they've
been an unwatchable product. But you can't even I mean,
they're rolling out Desmond Ritter, who actually you know, had
some moments tonight, but they probably I mean, we're critical
of the quarterback situations in Chicago and Minnesota. The Raiders

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have literally the worst quarterback situation in the league because,
like will Levis is obviously pretty bad, Brian Callahan, you know,
inherited him, and they just rolled it out to probably
tank this year. I mean the three quarterback situation from
Garter Minshew, who was a backup Aidan O'Connell, who's probably
a third stringer. And now Ritter who's you know, I

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mean probably a third stringer as well, even if your
team was loaded. Obviously, Max Crosby has you know, ankle surgery.
You know, he's their best player by a mile, but
you got no shot. And that organization like a little
like Mark Davis when it comes to the Bears, a
family owned business who's owned the business for what sixty

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seventy years now, Mark, Unlike the Bears landed a new
stadium and it brought a lot of hooplaw and it
brought a lot of hype, and they've been really bad
because they're always changing over. They never have any consistency.
And rap Sheet reported that, And listen, I've said before
like Tom Brady should be involved the rap she reports

(15:04):
like he's going to be heavily involved in picking the quarterback. Well,
it's like, what's Telesco's job? What if Telesco disagrees with
his evaluation? You know, in fairness, tom Brady's never evaluated
a player in the draft, And is Telesco stay? Does
he get fired? Does Antonio Pierce get fired? Does Tom
Brady want him gone? In fairness to LESCo. He did

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draft Justin Herbert and was there for a long period
of time with Philip Rivers. So it's like, is that
gonna work? Why don't they just name Tom Brady the
president of operations like John Elway. The problem is he
can't do that job and call games. So it's like
Antonio Pierce, who last week Mark Davis basically refused to
support don't blame him. I wouldn't either, but why did

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you hire him in the first place, because DeVante Adams
was begging for him? Well, I'm watching today ninety percent
through the game, it's like the Raiders wide receivers don't
have a catch in the game. They're like, well, they
did trade a first round pick a couple of years
ago four to Adams who's now gone, who just had
two hundred yards for with Aaron Rodgers. It's like, that's
just dysfunction after dysfunction, after this functioning. You watched the Falcons, who,
unlike the mccaskeys and Mark Davis and Al Davis right

(16:11):
who the families have owned it forever. This guy is
super rich. He just when you see Arthur Blank, he
just looks like money, Like that's what money looks like
when you see Arthur Blank yet, it's pretty clear you
remove Maddie Ice from that organization. They're no different than
the Bears or the Raiders. I mean, they got desperate.

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They signed a guy coming off of torn achilles who's
been a very polaro. It's not like they just signed
Peyton Manning out the neck injury. It's like, well, even
if it doesn't work, we're still signing Peyton freaking Manning
or Jason Light. It's like, yeah, Belichick thinks Brady shot,
but he's still calm, freaking Brady. It's like, hey, he's
Kirk Cousins, and you watch Kirk Cousins to night, you go,

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I'd want no part of that guy. But your team's
not that good because you used a first round pick,
pick number eight, on a quarterback that maybe you're gonna
need to replace Cousins with. But then Cousins has a
no trade clause and he makes so much goddamn money, Like,
who's gonna trade for him? It just the organization just
looks lost. And who's gonna end up winning the South? Oh,

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Tampa Bay, Well, why is that? Well? They just have
a well run organization, Like Jason Klight just kind of
knows what he's doing. And you just watched Tampa play
and you watch Atlanta play, and they couldn't be any
more opposite. Now, the one thing good if you're Atlanta
and I'm a Michael Pennox guy, you just hope he's
a good player. And I think he's gonna be a

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good player. I'd be excited to watch him play. I
would make the move right now. Even Oorlaski had a
good point when it's like, should we throw for it
on third down? That was the play where they called
roughing the passer. They're like, listen, if you're gonna catch Tampa,
you need to have confidence at Kirk Cousins. So if
you won't throw it now, you might as well just

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hunt on the playoffs. And I agree, like, if you
can't trust this guy that you're paying this gave ninety
one hundred million dollars guaranteed, you might as well just
one two three, can't coon now? But you got no
shot if that's the quarterback player're gonna get. And I'm
not acting like I know Michael Pennox is ready today.
Maybe he needed the year, but you got no shot
with that, none, not with the Way Baker in that

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offense is playing right now. I mean, they just went
on the road, played the Chargers, who have a good defense,
and eviscerated them. And Baker might as well be John
Elway meets Joe Montana compared to Kirk Cousins. But this
gets back to the organization. It just feels like they
got no clue what they're doing. Raiders got no clue
what they're doing. They got no quarterback, their coaches, you know,
in flux as it always is. And we had one

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team that's just well run. They didn't even play that
well tonight, and they kicked the shit out of the Bears.
And they're just gonna headed for thirteen or fourteen wins.
Thirteen or fourteen wins something the Bears, the Falcons and
the Raiders could not dream. Honestly, there's a chance. I
guess the Falcons still play the Panthers and and I

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think they play maybe the Saints. They have a pretty
easy schedule coming in and Washington's one of their games.
So let's say they get Let's give them nine wins.
The Raiders win two games, that would be eleven, the
Bears win four, that would be fifteen. I was gonna say,
do all three of those teams win total add up
to the Vikings, And it probably will at the end

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of the day, but it'll be close, you know. I
think what's sad on a serious note, is how awesome
if you're twelve and two you are having a freaking
incredible season, Like you could go ten years, you could
win some Super Bowls and just might not have twelve
and two starts. So what the Vikings and what the

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Lions have accomplished is awesome, But there are some injuries
you just don't overcome. The Lions have kind of hit
that point with the amount they have. I do think
with the Vikings, like if you are out your two
starting tackles, that is just a position where they're just
your backups. In the NFL, there is a wide gap,

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like there are just players that you have, like there
is no replacing that, and then there's a domino effect
when you lose another position. It's like, listen, you have
a stud guard like a Zach Martin or something. You
lose him, that hurts, But then once you lose the
other guard, then you're mixing and matching with your backups.
So you're like plugging this hole to plug this hole
and you're getting leaks. It's just it's impossible to function.

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And it sucks because Kevin O'Connell has done just, I
mean a badass job coaching this team and it's been really,
really fun to watch, and it's been really cool to
watch the resurrection of Sam Darnold just seems like a good,
high character guy with big time skills. I mean, you
watch him sling that pill around that I and the

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difference of him and Caleb Williams is one guy is
playing confidence. It's not that Kayleb Williams is thrown to
me and you like Keenan Allen's pretty freaking good. That
catch he had on the sideline where he went. Chris
Carter was badass. Rome was a top ten pick. DJ
Moores one of the highest paid players in the history
of the Bears organization. And you watch Donald a couple
of good wide receivers, just looks like a pro bowler.

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He is going to the Pro Bowl this year. That's
why the conversation just continues to get, you know, pretty
difficult to have when it comes to his off season. Now,
I do think the Daniel Jones thing, maybe it's a
contingency plan. Like, I'm sure they haven't made up their mind,
but I'd have a hard time letting that go. I

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really would. Now. I think they love JJ McCarthy and
if his health is looking good, and I would say
right around free agency that they probably will just let
Sam Donald go. And I think Sam Donald should be
very smart because, as we talked about tonight, you go
to the Raiders, you go to the Falcons, you go
to teams like the Bears, you lose and your career

(21:58):
becomes ruined really really fast. That quarterback, like, that's what happens.
And I know Shador and the Sanders family is begging
to go to the Raiders and listen, it's sad because
you know the Raiders and the Bears. I mean, these
are historic brands in the NFL, and they are borderline unwatchable.

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It's weird. I've watched so much Chicago Bears this year
I might as well. I feel like a Bears fan
the amount of snaps I've watched them play, and all
their games look the same. They're just so terrible to
begin the game. Their offense has no rhythm, their quarterback's
completely overwhelmed. Tonight, they try to run some easy plays,
get some quick screens the DJ Moore, But they can't

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run the ball because their offensive line is awful. So
it takes like swift making plays like a Saquon Barkley
busting runs, making a guy miss, getting outside. But there's
nothing easy, nothing is it. You watch the Vikings like
they're just some easy completions, easy yards. You watch it
land in the Raiders, it's like pulling heat to get
five yards. Kevin O'Connell can scheme up a fifteen yard

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play with his eyes closed and taking a nap on
the sideline all through the other three teams like begging,
begging to be in like second and five. It's crazy.
The NFL man, I remember saying it when I went
to the combine. It's really Tennish teams competing against everyone else.
These other teams just have no shot, I mean none.

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No one knows what they're doing. Everyone's worried they're gonna
get fired. There's no stability. Even when people do get jobs,
they don't know what coaches to hire. Maybe they don't
even have the jews to hire the coaches because the
owner doesn't listen to them. It's just it's all fucked up,
and most of us, right, i'd say all of us listening,
you know, aren't. I guess we have some people in
the NFL listening to this, but the ones that I

(23:50):
know of are all on good teams that you know.
We don't get to go into these organizations, but it's
pretty clear. You just watch their teams play and you
just go, yeah, something's really off, like this is not normal.
This is not normal. And that's what we got on
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Okay, let's dive into a little news and notes around
the National Football League. Let's start with the two time
defending almost at National Champs. They say world Champs, but
the sports played in America, so American champs, but Super
Bowl champs the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes has a high ankle
sprain and is week to week now in the grand

(26:10):
scheme of things, when you're twelve to one and you
have a multiple game lead on the Buffalo Bills, who
have a very very easy ending to their schedule, Patriots, Jets, Patriots,
so I think it's you have to assume they're going
to run the table. If you're the Chiefs, you just
have to win two of your next three games. The
main problem is the Chiefs play two games the next

(26:31):
nine days. Obviously, they play on Christmas, which is a Wednesday,
and they play this Saturday. So I think as we
sit here today, it's fair to assume Mahomes out this weekend,
Carson Wentz playing. I think there's two angles of this.
There's a football angle and there's a business angle. And
I think from the football angle, if you were sitting
down over a play to barbecue with Coach Reid and

(26:52):
Veech right now, they could give you an educated guess,
but they wouldn't truly know, just like none of us
truly know what the hell Carson Wentz is gonna look
like playing for them. He is nowhere near the athlete
that he once was after some of the injuries. He
still has a big arm. He started one game in
the last two years. Obviously, he's been a backup last

(27:13):
year for the Rams and this year for the Chiefs.
His start last year came the last game of the
season when they were playing the Niners, and the Niners
rested everybody, so it was basically like a preseason game. Now,
he did throw two touchdowns. He actually made some nice
throws and then he partlaid that into the backup job
for Mahomes. But for me to go like he's gonna
look excellent relative to a backup quarterback, he's gonna look awful,

(27:36):
like the dude we saw last night, Sam Howe for
the Seattle Seahawks, I don't know. I have no freaking clue.
I would say that this game with Carson Wentz against
the Texans at home is much more winnable than a
short week on the road at Pittsburgh, who looks like
they've avoided a injury with TJ. Watt and he's technically

(27:59):
available Saturday, and I think it's fair to assume that
he's gonna play on Wednesday and they got multiple other
pass rushers, and right now, the Chiefs offensive line, especially
on the edges of struggling, well, where do the Pittsburgh
Steelers light you up edge pressure? So not a great
matchup to put out Mahomes injured with an ankle. I
think it's I think, if you're taking an educated guest

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right now, you do not see Mahomes in the next
two games because neither of them are must win right.
But I think from a business standpoint, it was a
big deal for the NFL to get into business with Netflix,
very fucking powerhouse company with a ton of money. And
when this new deal comes up, they're going to be players.

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And clearly they wanted the Chiefs and the NFL gave
them the Chiefs for a reason. It's been widely reported
when it comes to television ratings, they have surpassed the Cowboys. Now,
part of it is they've been the best team, they
got the most famous player, they're playing in all the
big games in the NFL is such a Ohemith cashcow.
Right now, they're doing enormous ratings, but their games this

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year are out rating Cowboy games, which is obviously a
big deal. Means you're the king of the castle right now,
I'd argue, whether Mahomes plays or not, it's not that
big a deal when it comes to the viewership, And honestly,
I think it's probably a good thing if he does.
And I'm talking from the business standpoint of the NFL

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league office and the partners and the ownership in terms
of what they want to sell it for, and the
more they sell it for, the more the players benefit
to because they're in a revenue sharing agreement. Because if
Carson Wentz plays, if me or you played, millions of
people are going to watch. We cannot say that about
the other sports. If you put a big baseball game
on Netflix, or you put a big basketball game on

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Netflix regular season, guess what the streaming numbers would be
jarring to the company because not that many people would
stream it. Yet when it comes to football, specifically on
a holiday, I think it's all almost in terms of
like rating wise recession proof. I don't think it matters,
and I think it will be really impressive for the

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people on the Netflix side to be like, wait, sixteen
million people watch this even though Patrick Mahomes was on
the sideline and sweats because that's what I and maybe
I'm lowballing, and maybe it's twenty five million. It's fucking Christmas.
Literally everyone's at home, and every human being that I
know has Netflix, So I would expect for the NFL,

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it's not ideal to have your biggest star injured. The
best part about football, we never worry about load management.
This isn't baseball where you got to give a guy
a week off if you miss games, he's clearly hurt. Otherwise,
guys play injured all the time. Right his ankle he
got rolled up on. No one's even like, well, maybe
they're pushing. No, if he was healthy, he would play.

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That's the way football works. You only get seventeen shots
to play games on Sundays, Mondays, Thursdays, maybe some Saturdays
and Wednesdays, I think. And the Chiefs. The Chiefs played
on every day of the week this year, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
The only day they skipped is Tuesday, and I'm pretty
sure the NFL did not have a game on Tuesday.

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But I do believe that whether whether Mahomes plays or not,
so many people are gonna watch this freaking game, and
I think it would be an enlightening experience for Netflix
to go, Wow, you're telling me the most famous player
in the biggest sport was injured and this many people
still watched. I think it would ultimately be a good

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thing for the business of football the Lions and we
talked about this on Sunday night. It was reported today
that David Montgomery is having knee surgery and he's out
for the season. And I really feel bad because this season,
clearly when they were healthy early in the year, I
mean they were they were a big time squad. I
mean they kind of had it all. Were they a
perfect team? No, But I mean they're really only knock

(31:58):
on offenses. Like, yeah, they'requarterbacks not mobile, but it's like
on any given game he could throw four or five touchdowns.
Their running game was elite, Their offensive line was elite.
They had a deep wide receiver, they had a slot
wide receiver, they had guys that could run over the middle,
they had an awesome tight end that they were literally
a complete offense. And defensively they were vastly improved from
last year. They doubled down on the secondary. They bought Davis,

(32:21):
they drafted Arnold from Bama. It's like they did everything
you could ask. Hutchinson was taking a huge step, and
now all these guys are injured, and I just think,
you know, early in the season, I didn't think it
was hyperbolic to go. I think as the one of
the better one to two combinations in recent memory, and
probably one of the better one to two combinations at

(32:43):
running back I've seen in my life. And part of
that is compared. You know, you have to put it
into context of the offensive line they're working with, which
was easily one of the better ones in the NFL.
Especially from a run blocking standpoint. It was like you
could not stop this running game. And I think the
thing they had as Montgomery was such a physical back.
He was so good in the red area. Then you

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had this hybrid guy who actually still a very physical runner,
but he was so good in space, such a great
cratcher of the football. And to lose Montgomery, to go
along with losing their stud defensive line McNeil, who's a
good player, They've lost multiples. It's just it doesn't feel
over like they're obviously still going to make the playoffs,
but like, are they going to be able to even
win the division? And I think this is a good lesson.

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And it showed last year why I was so critical
of them kicking the field goal. You didn't have the
Niners on the ropes. You were about to give him
a Mike Tyson uppercut to the jaw in nineteen eighty nine.
You kick the field goal, you basically knock them out.
They would have been in major trouble. But they went
forward on fourth down and flipped the Niners drive and

(33:49):
score and it flips the game. And I say the
same thing about the Niners, like they've had two fourth
quarter leads in the Super Bowl against Andy Reid Mahomes
weren't able to close the deal on either. There is
no guarantee that Shanahan, Purdy and this crew will ever
get to another Super Bowl, let alone if they did
have a fucking lead in the second half. And you

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only get so many opportunities whatever you do in life.
But when you get massive, big opportunities in whatever profession
you're in, even quote unquote when you're not ready, because
most people ask your thought, well, the Lions aren't quite ready.
You gotta take advantage of them because you never know
when they're gonna come back. You know what, it turns
out when the Chiefs had that crazy comeback in twenty
nineteen to win the Super Bowl against the Niners, it

(34:35):
felt like, oh, finally Andy got over the hook his
careers made right. And now you look back, it's like, yeah,
they're just goind the beginning, right. But now you look
back at the Niners, You're like, they got a big
offseason in coming. And now you look back at the
Lions and you go, it's hard to have a better
two year stretch than they just had. They were just
in the NFC Championship Game and a couple months ago,

(34:56):
a couple weeks ago before these injuries really got out
of control, but like they were locked to be the
number one seed, and now all of a sudden, we're
looking like, could they end up the five seed? Now,
luckily you would get the I was gonna say the
Atlanta Falcons. I'm recording this before the Monday night part
of the games, but probably Tampa. That's no shoe in win.
Tampa beat Detroit. I saw Tampa's two wins are against

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two teams that have four total losses, Philly or two
of their wins right are Philly in Detroit. So when
you get these opportunities and you are excelling in them.
You gotta finish the deal. And sometimes you look back
like there was nothing Dan Campbell or the Lions could
have done to prevent this. These guys are getting injured

(35:41):
in games and it just feels like a weekly occurrence
now and they just cannot slow up the bleeding. So
in a weird way, I feel bad for the Lions
in terms of this is the way their season is
kind of going toward the end, because it almost feels unfair.
But I think you could look back last year and
go last year was as good of a shot as

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any I mean, you get into the Super Bowl with
the way your team was playing, you're a pretty bad
matchup for Kansas City. Hell, you'd already beat him that year.
And I saw Dan Campbell say he regretted kicking the
onside kick, Like, I think he's in a tough position
right now with his defense. Obviously he wouldn't have kicked
the onside kick if his defense was healthy. Now I
would imagine too, like the course of the game, he

(36:25):
probably doesn't give up thirty eight points going into the
fourth quarter if his defense is healthy. So it's just
they're just in a tough spot, and there's not much
you can do about it. One other thing is that
Mike Tomlin, you know, gets a lot of credit, and
rightfully so, for being this exceptional leader. And anytime you
hear Tomlin talk, anytime you see Tomlin in some of
these NFL film clips, anytime you see Tomlin in Hard

(36:49):
Knocks this, you know, the AFC North Hard Knocks, you
just see the way some of his troubled players when
they leave Pittsburgh, how their careers unravel Leveon Bell's career
unraveled when he left Pittsburgh, Antonio Brown, I mean, it
couldn't have gone any worse. They trade Deontay Johnson two

(37:10):
years later, the Ravens are like, I know they didn't
technically trade him to the Ravens, but indirectly they kind
of did. And they're like, get out of our building,
go home, we don't want to look at you. It's
it's remarkable. Mike Tomlin was made for like the seventies
when there were no rules and it was like, these
guys just gotta you kinda gotta corral them, you gotta

(37:32):
let him be. But then once they get in the building,
you gotta, you know, drive a hard ship. It's like
he could have thrived in any air. I think we
don't talk enough about Sean McVay under these circumstances, because
anyone can have success in sports in life when things
are going well right, anyone can make money in the

(37:52):
stock market, win it's like historic highs, like, yeah, welcome
to the club. What about when it's twenty percent down
in a year, you're making money, right? What about when
your team's one in four like the Rams were early
this season? You have injuries everywhere? Does the season just
get away from you? Does your franchise just unravel and

(38:14):
all of a sudden you're looking up and you're a
five win team at the end of the year and
you're drafting ninth or like, are you looking up and going, yeah,
we got a pretty pretty good chance to win ten
eleven games and win the division. That's what the Rams
did last year. They were three and six somehow, when
the dust settled, they were ten and seven and going
toe to toe as the seventh seed with the Detroit Lions,

(38:37):
and probably, you know, had a very very good chance
to win that game. Sean McVay is an unbelievable leader,
and we know what he looks like when times are good, right,
when his team is stacked loaded top to bottom, like
he can compete to win a Super Bowl. He can
win a Super Bowl. But what about when his team
is going through a rebuild and he's dependent on young

(38:58):
guys everywhere and Cup is nowhere near the same player,
and he's got offensive linemen in and out of the lineup.
How does he do when shit hits the fan? This
is why I'm glad that he turned down millions upon
millions of dollars for Amazon, because he has an incredible
life skill and it's to coach football. And I think

(39:19):
about this a lot with Kyle Shanahan. Like I've seen
Kyle when his team's healthy and it's good, he can
kick the shit out of most people beside Andy Reid.
He can win games when he really has to do
in the playoffs on the road red home. But what
about when the wheels fall off, Like right now, they're
six to eight and they got three games left the
Dolphins at Miami, then Detroit and Arizona? Can he win

(39:41):
one of those games? Can he win all three of them?
Does he end up going seven to ten? Or like
do you look up and you go that's the worst
Kyle Shanahan coach team ever and they're still nine to eight.
Because I'm seeing it with McVeigh right now, these last
two years. Easily, if I give them the majority of coaches,
none of the top guys, you know, like the bottom

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fifteen coaches, and I put them in that situation where
they're one and four or three and six, there is
zero champs. Any of them make the playoffs. Because it's twofold,
it's you know, I got to keep the team, the
spirit's high. I gotta keep everyone's head up, but I
also got to keep everyone focused out, scheme the opponent,

(40:24):
and have good weeks of practice from a schematic standpoint
on a weekly basis. So it's twofold. It's leaderships. It's
lifting guys up and coaching guys up to get these wins.
And we have no margin freer, like, we don't need
a win er two. We gotta go seven and one
down the stretch, as they did last year after starting

(40:46):
three and six. This year after one and four, like
you're five games in and you have one win, and
all of a sudden you're looking and you go, god,
we got twelve games left. Can we go I don't
know ten and two down the stretch. That's essentially what
he would be doing if he's able to win out

(41:07):
and win eleven games. So Sean McVay is kind of
putting on a clinic these last two years. Are they
gonna win the Super Bowl? Probably not? Or they gonna
win a playoff game? Who knows? But I am so impressed.
I think all eyes I know. For me and a
lot of people in my life, it's like, okay, Kyle,
because right now, it's not like if they lose out,

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they're putting themselves in great position for a draft pick.
If you're the forty nine ers. I looked yesterday, they
were drafting fifteenth. They're having the worst season that I
can remember in a long time. Everyone thinks the franchises
and shambles, and they're drafting fifteenth. So even if they
lose out, there's so many shit teams in the league,
it's like, okay, you're drafting tenth. As all my buddies
that our college scouts say, this is one of the

(41:50):
worst drafts in recent memory. At the top, there are
a couple high end players, but this is not littered
with Jamar Chases and Micah Parsons and those players Pine Souls.
This is not viewed as a super high the buzz
I get. There's not going to be that much difference.
Drafting sixteenth is drafting sixth. In some years, that is

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a dramatic, drastic change, not this year. So, like to me, Kyle,
anything less than winning two of these last three games
would be pretty embarrassing for the guy football baby. It
goes by way too fast. Well, one story I saw
today which would be crazy, and I kind of have
a theory that now we'll see if this ends up

(42:32):
coming to fruition. By the time you're listening to this,
maybe it has, and maybe he's just using this to
try to get another team to offer him more money.
Is that Michael Vick is in serious discussions with Sacramento
State to be their next head coach, and which would
be beyond shocking. He has no connections there, pretty sure,
he's never really played on the West coast moved to Sacramento,

(42:55):
which I do think he would like. I mean, it's
a booming city in California, a lot of money behind
the program. They've recently got fifty plus million dollars you know,
committed over several years for nil. They want to, you know,
upgrade to like the Mountain West, so to play Division
one football. I do wonder if a guy like Michael
Vick and you see some of these players that you

(43:18):
would be stunned. Like heines Ward right now is a
position coach for Arizona State. If you watched hines Ward play,
he'd be like, yeah, I could see him being a
coach one day, right. And sometimes you never know. Guys
that you thought would be coaches don't become coaches, and
guys that you thought would never become coaches become coaches.
So it's hard when they're playing to truly know. But

(43:40):
I think I wonder if Michael Vick goes looks at
Deon Sanders and says, man, you can make millions of dollars,
still be a star, use your stardom to help build
up the program, hire good assistant coaches. He played for
some pretty good coaches. I mean, spend some time around

(44:02):
Andy Reid, played for Mike Tomlin. From a motivational standpoint,
guys loved Michael Vick. He was a good leader. And
obviously you're not going to make millions of millions of
dollars at Sacramento State. But if like that is your
entry point to ultimately get the Colorado job or the
Virginia Tech job, or the Auburn job or whatever in

(44:23):
the future where they do pay a premium. And you know,
at the end of Michael Vick's career, he was a
backup quarterback, So it's not like he when he retired
he was making twenty thirty million dollars. You go, wait,
I could make millions of dollars give back to the
game that made me a star and made me this
all this money and gave me an opportunity. I mean,

(44:44):
for him in life. When I was around him, it
was a second chance on life. Andy Reid, Jeffrey Lurie, Like,
it was pretty controversial. It was the year before I
got there, But when they first signed him, it was
pretty controversial. At the time. When I got there, it
wasn't a big deal, Like he was just kind of
on the team. By training camp, You're like, are we
sure this guy Nott better than Kevin And obviously Kevin
Cobb got injured, Michael Vick came in. The rest is history.

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But I think that would be pretty cool, And I
always think it's cool when these former players get involved,
Like you watch Peyton Manning. I had a buddy, you know,
executive on a team that texts me. He's like, how
cool is it watching Belichick and Peyton mann He's like,
Peyton Manning, this guy's a fucking genius sometimes and I
get it. He's so rich and he's involved in a
lot of different businesses. But you can't tell me, Like

(45:24):
if you're Jim Orsay, you wouldn't just look around. It's like,
should we just fire everybody? And like give Peyton Manning
twenty five million dollars a year and who knows, maybe
Peyton's has so much money now it's not even worth
it for him to do it. But like the knowledge
he has and his passion love of football, Like you know,
Tom Brady obviously is involved with the Raiders for financial means,

(45:45):
like it's a good investment, but he should be involved
in football. You know, I give Tom credit. He feels
you know, I don't notice him as much watching these games.
I know it's unfair to compare him to Romo or
these guys. I don't think he's good as like Tony Romo,
but he is definitely a much easier listen as the
season has gone on, but he deserves to be and

(46:05):
he should be for us the consumer involved in football.
And if you're a player, like you would love to
be part of the team where Peyton Manning or Tom
Brady are there so you can piggyback and ask them
questions and try to gain knowledge from them. I mean,
I think Peyton Manning and you know you're seeing Philip Rivers.
How cool would it be to be a high school

(46:26):
kid at Philip Rivers School? Can you imagine the knowledge
if you were a wide receiver, a tight end and
offensive lineman, a freaking quarterback and he's given you pointers.
He's like, this is what we used to do against
Bill Belichick. He's like when we would play the Steelers,
this is how we'd block it. He's like, when we
were going up against Darrell Reeves, this is how we
would break this route off. I was like, how cool

(46:48):
was that? So I hope more and more of these
players get involved, because when you play in the league
for a decade plus and play for multiple teams, the
knowledge you gained from different coaches, the things you see,
the knowledge you gain from watching different players, from film
study to being around them to training with them to
training camps. Deserves to give back to the you know,

(47:12):
the younger generation, and I think the more and more
of these guys kind of jumping on this, the better.
It's time for a little Middlecoff mail bag. Very easy

(47:37):
to get involved. You just fire into my DMS. I
don't know why I just did that. Voice at John
Middlecoff is the Instagram DMS wide open, get your questions
answered here on this little show slash podcast. Uh, let's
start with Zion. Hey, John, Day one listener just heard
your take on party and the upcoming negotiation and could

(47:58):
not disagree more. You asked who the forty nine ers
would be bidding against and mentioned you don't think he'd
have a strong market if he was available. Perty doesn't
have a great arm, But if that's his only red flag,
I can't understand why you think he's not worthy of
the same deals Goff and Dak are signing in terms

(48:18):
of market. Half the league runs the Shanahan offense. Perty
has elite instincts, is a good decision maker, and has
executed that style on offense so effectively that he's led
a team to two straight conference championship games. I would
disagree he's led a team to two straight conference championship games.
Two years ago, the defense slash offensive weaponry did his

(48:43):
rookie year, and two years ago, I would say it
was a pretty complete effort. Defensively, Christian McCaffrey was having
a borderline historic season. He was a key player in
place quarterback, but leading a team. That's what I would
say about Josh Allen. That was not brock Purty last
year when they made the Super Bowl. He got throttled

(49:06):
in Cleveland, he got throttled against the Ravens. He shipped
the bed against Minnesota. And again it sounds like I'm
being so critical of the guy, and he's a good player.
But when you say he's what was your comment, he's
a good decision maker. We USA on Thursday Night Football.
He made an awful decision. I think decision making is

(49:26):
somewhat of a question mark. Let me finish your question,
Sam Donald, his style and skill set make it extremely
valuable to any team that runs the offense. The league
is watching Donald light it up in a similar offense.
Of course, teams would be lined up to sign perty.
Just because he doesn't have an elite arm doesn't mean
teams won't be lined up for services. In my opinion,
his other skills are elite, and he's a winner. Donald

(49:50):
is dramatically more talented. If all things were equal, if
you told Kyle you could have Donald and Purdy, you're
gonna have to pay him both the same. Who would
you rather have? I think he take Sam dormand Sam
Donald's dramatically more talented. Perty can't throw the ball down
the field. He cannot throw a deep ball, and it's
like pretty evident, which again they've got by when their

(50:12):
team was fully healthy. But that's not the way the
NFL is. Your team isn't typically fully healthy. Like Jalen,
Hurts is not nearly as good at at purty, at
reading the defense inside of the pocket, that's not his game,
but he is much better throwing the ball down the field.
And like so it's like a push and pull like
Jalen has flaws two. I don't know why I brought

(50:35):
him up to argue, but I think Jalen would have
had a bigger market if he was just like who,
let's just go over Purdy's market. Party's available someone trading
a first round pick. Would the Raiders trade a first
round pick for him Tom Tellasco. The last decade has
been around Philip Rivers and Justin Herbert, two guys that
are both six foot five. Massive. Doubtful. The New York Giants,

(51:00):
it's pretty struggles in bad weather are gonna are gonna
sign them. The New York Giants who play Washington, Philly
and themselves outside in cold weather, don't see that one.
I just don't see him having a big market. I
really don't. Honestly, Sam Darnold's Market's more like eighty ninety

(51:20):
million dollars probably total. So this notion that I got
to give party two hundred million dollars is fucking insane.
That's just bad business. And the number one way I
think anyone can have a normal conversation when it comes
to quarterbacks is simply go most of us, maybe some
of you are in the government or whatever, I'd say,
most people listening here have a private sector job. So

(51:43):
deal with transactions in some form or fashion. Would you
just go is this? And obviously depending on your industry,
the numbers are way different. Most human beings, unless you're
on like Wall Street, right, are not dealing with two
hundred million dollars for an individual. Very rare. Clearly, I'm
not saying it's very relatable, but you could make the statement,

(52:04):
is this good or bad business? Is giving brock Party
two hundred million dollars guaranteed good business? How could anyone
say that's good business? How could anyone say that it's
simply not? Because we knew it. When Dak signed for
two hundred million, You're like, ah, that seems crazy. We
knew it. When Trevor Lawrence signed for it was like,
that is insane. Tua got less than that, like one

(52:28):
sixty one seventy, and we all thought that was the
most insane contract we've ever seen. Jared Goff's just a
better thrower of the football than perty. Jared Goff was
also the number one overall pick for reason. Pretty gets
a lot of balls. Batter down why he's small again,
I'm just being critical because we're talking huge numbers while

(52:50):
I'm starting on my team for a million dollars, While
I'm starting on my team for twenty million dollars. Once
we start getting forty fifty million dollars, I'm sorry, I
got a fucking pause, Like we gotta have a conversation.
I just think that we got to be careful about
the way this is discussed, because here's another person. I

(53:11):
was listening to you and Colin yesterday and you mentioned
that Purty wouldn't have a market, But you don't think
that this bad quarterback free agent market in the draft
is going to work in his favor. Raiders, Colts, Seattle, Saints, Giants, Jets,
Titans all knee quarterbacks desperately. The Cardinals, Jags are a
few other teams have quarterbacks they would probably trade for
him if they could. Even if you think he's the

(53:32):
fifteenth best quarterback in the league at his worst. That
means there is still a few teams that would sell
their few first borns for stability at the position. Free
agents are Darnold, who unless you have Justin Jefferson, hasn't
looked good Justin Fields, Mac Jones, etc. I think brock
Perty is the leverage, not only because of his accomplishments

(53:54):
versus other quarterbacks who got paid, but because finding better
isn't easy as people think. Plus the roster is old.
I'm not acting like getting rid of party. It's easy
to find his replacement. I'm just saying, Okay, you're at
a forok in the road kinda not really. He's got
another year remaining on his contract, so it's like, okay,
we got to entertain everything, right. It's like, here's what

(54:15):
we're offering you, four years, one forty, will guarantee ninety
and if his agent laughs at you, you go, okay,
Like Brandon Ayu entertainer trade, see what you can get
out there. The Niners like some of the trades. Here's
an MRI Cooper in a second, the Patriots were offering
like a second and a third and offering him a

(54:35):
bunch of money. You were telling me the teams would
be lined up to give you like a first and
second round pick and pay rock Party one hundred and
fifty one hundred and eighty million dollars guaranteed. I think
that is fucking insane, and I understand desperate. You think
teams would be willing to trade multiple high picks and

(54:56):
break him off. You put Micah Parsons on the open market,
getting two ones into two, and someone's giving him one
hundred and twenty million dollars guaranteed so fast your fucking
head would spin. You put brock Purty on the open
market tomorrow. I'm not saying nobody would want them and
people wouldn't inquire. I think you would be stunned what
the value for him is because again it's twofold. You

(55:17):
got to trade a man, pay him. So it's like, hey,
we want at minimum, let's say two ones. You think
any team in the league, the Tight all those teams
you list off, the Raiders, the Titans, all these teams
are drafting in the top ten, are gonna give you
one of their top ten picks for brock Party. Honestly,
do you think that because we're not watching the same league,

(55:39):
that does not happen? It just doesn't. It's like, yeah,
he had success with a very successful team. We've seen
him have a team that had a bunch of injuries
and it just has not looked remotely close. And again
it feels like I'm going Nick right or Colin hating
on the guy. I'm not. I'm just having a real

(56:00):
conversation because we're talking big boy money. Now, you know
who the Vikings feel good about, Like what do you need? Justin,
here's your money, What do you needs? CD, what do
you need? Bosa? What do you need? TJ? Watt? And
those conversations get ugly. You think that if I'm the
forty nine ers brock Party's agent just gets to bend
me over a barrel and say, fucking shove my head

(56:22):
in the pillow, and you just you just tell me
when to I'll just give you the thumbs up to
keep on going. There is no way they battled it
out with all these other players who are elite, all
pros that if they said Nick Bosa, Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel,
they offered the tenth pick overall three years ago for him,
the Jets did. I just don't see any of these

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things remotely close happening. I feel like I'm pivoting now
because it's so crazy like teams, I don't see it.
I do not see it. I followed this league close enough.
I'm not saying teams wouldn't be interested, and I'm not
saying teams wouldn't give them, like, hey, we'll give you

(57:03):
our first round pick and give them a hundred million
dollars forty nine. I want to give them a hundred
million dollars guaranteed. I do that. But if you, if
you think and listen, I get where he's coming from.
It's like, hey, man, down to baby. Trevor Lawrence has
got two hundred million dollars. Time for me to give
you two hundred million dollars. Yeah, we're not doing it. Like,
I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. The market's

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the market, great, we don't view that as your market.
And here's another thing. Brock Purty currently is making millions
of dollars off the field, and a lot of people
will say, well, that has nothing to do with the team.
Bull Shit, it doesn't because when you're the quarterback like
Dak Prescott or brock Purty, you're with one of the
biggest brands in the league. So you make dramatically more

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money when that team is good and you are the
quarterback because of the brand of the Cowboys or the
forty nine ers. Now, Dak has never sniffed taking a discount,
and look what that is currently done to the team.
They are in shambles. They might have to trade Micah Parsons.
Brock Purdy is on commercials with John Deere Ariott. Do
you think he's getting those commercials if he's the starting

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quarterback for the Jags or the Miami Dolphins or some
of these Franchi the Titans. There's not a chance in hell.
But he's the forty nine ers quarterback, and he inherited
a team that was absolutely loaded, and he did a
really good job and he was the winning player. But
I also watched him against some of the best defense

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over the last couple of years. Aget throttled, throttled, and
on Thursday night, with the season on the line, to
make that decision in that spot, even if the Niners
would have lost to not like you were in field
goal range, dump it off live, to fight another down,
to just hand the ball back to the Rams, who

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then never handed it back to you. I just don't
know how you do forget that moment and listen. As
you know, I'm a sucker for elite talent, and he's
made an exception for brock Party. But like I'm watching
Jordan Love last night, and I know the Packers lost
to the forty nine Ers last year. There is under
no scenario in any world that I, unless brock Purty

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would just make a million dollars in perpetuity, that I
would take brock Purty on a second contract over Jordan
Love on a second contract. They are in different universes
when it comes to talent, because arm strength matters, because
making explosive plays down the field matters. Why do you
think Josh Allen is lapping the league right now? Because
at any moment he can let that thing rip and

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hit a guy in stride thirty forty yards and then
on some of the shorter throws he can get it
between tight windows. Everything has to be time perfectly, and
sometimes he runs around, which is a good quality. But
sometimes he doesn't when he doesn't even need to head
do it. And some of it is like Kyle refuses
to draft offensive lineman high, so their offensive line slacks
a lot of variables. I'm not I feel like I'm

(59:58):
being a huge, pretty hater. I'm pro perty at like
twenty five million dollars a year. If you're talking fifty
million dollars a year, I'm simply out. I am out.
I mean, I don't know what to tell you. And
if he's not gonna take a discount and listen, this
is what business is for. That's that's fair to have
his fans. He thinks he's valuable. We'll find out. I

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don't see how if you own the forty nine ers,
you're not having a serious conversation with Kyle like this.
We can't do I'm not here to meddle Kyle. We
have let you guys do everything, but I don't think
this is smart. If anything, let's make him play it out.
What's gonna do? Sit out the season again? I truly
believe his market value is nowhere near what the last

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couple dms have said, because one, obviously the forty nine
ers aren't just give him away. Let's just say, hey,
two ones, like I said with Ayuku, someone give us
a first round pick and we'll trade him. No one would.
No one would give Brandon Ayuk a first round pick.
The best offer they had was a second in Amari Cooper,
which this was good. And you know what the Niners said, Okay,
we'll drive you to the airport, and Brand's like, no,

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I'm not going to the Browns, right, you're just telling
me that the forty let's just say they said a
one in two twos, a one in two twos. Let's
just let's just hypothetically say that they would trade Party,
which why would you give away your quarterback for draft
picks when you don't have another quarterback. Let's just say,

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do you think someone would just give them that for
Brock Party? But that's not it then you got a PAM.
I think teams would gladly do it for Micah Parsons.
Hey brother a little late to this one, but like
most people said and thought, it's obvious there needed to
be a reseting in the first round. This college and

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having strict limits of who can have a first round
by Boise Straight had a great season, but it's not
like they were killing teams in the Mountain West and
bring an Oregon loss as a benefit for them doesn't
mean anything because Oregon looked like shit the first couple
weeks of the season. I agree. And having years of
the portal open, now, why the hell is it opening

(01:02:06):
before the postseason is over? Like this is why if
you want Bowl games to still matter and the schedule
needs to be fixed. If not, then expand the playoff
to twenty four teams to construct it with the NFL
and FCS playoff mix. It'd be as well. Love to
hear more of your thoughts on this. I think it's
tough because obviously the portal opens and you have some

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of these guys leaving teams that are in the playoffs.
There was a story I'm recording this Monday, this part
before the Monday night football games. But I saw yesterday
that the Penn State backup quarterback who played this year,
remember I think it was Wisconsin Aler got hurt bo
I don't want to screw up his last name, came
into the game, helped him win the game, ran around,

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made some plays. Is the backup quarterback for Penn State.
On Sunday during the NFL games, it was announced he's
going into the transfer portal, and everyone's like, this is insane,
this is what's wrong with college football. My first response
was in one and in his statement was essentially like,
after meeting with my coaches and family, I've come to

(01:03:13):
this decision when they say that, do you know what
he's told? You're not going to be the starter here
next year. And then it comes out today that Drew
Hollur's coming back. Clearly they corralled and I owe money,
and Drew Aller is going to come back to school. Well,
if you want to get with Belichick or who you name,
a team, getting in the transfer portal right now is

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really important. So I don't know an easy fix, but
it is weird to see guys quitting on their team.
But this is what this is all. This is this
is all one big transaction, and once it just becomes
a transaction, it's easier to remove the emotion. I'm very
unemotional about this. It's why I can be very pro

(01:03:54):
brock party and go the finances here. This is a business.
This is not fucking fantasy high schoo Sports here don't
add up. They do not make sense. Just like when
I see a guy hit the transfer portal on a
playoff team and you go, well, he's the backup bick. Well, yeah,
the coach has told him like, hey kid, you're probably
not gonna play here next year either. I love it, like, well,

(01:04:15):
they had the chance to play, it's a backup. Who cares?
People get I think one thing doing this for as
long as I have, I'm just less emotional about some
of the things that I feel like the fans are
very emotional about, and transfer portal is definitely one of those.
You know, I from a business standpoint, I would agree

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that in not many industries can you just come and
go as you please, like in the business. They're in
football or sports. Once you get to professional sports, you
are usually under contract, right if you have a one
year contract or a two year contract or a three
year contract. It dictates your status, right, I had a
couple of year contract I signed with the volume, Like,

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I can't just pick up and leave if I unless
I want to just do my own thing. I can't
just go to another network because they offer me quadruple
what I'm making or something. That's how most of us work.
You know, you're under some confines of the contractual structure.
Now you could argue contracts are meant to be broken.
That's where lawyers come in and sure, but like at

(01:05:22):
any moment, I can just quit and leave, like I'm
in agreement. That's there has to be some sort of fix.
But I also don't freak out when guys just leave.
And maybe I'm numb to it because coaches have left forever.
So it's like I just I think the faster you
just become love the game and love your team, but
you gotta be kind of unemotional to the player like

(01:05:44):
most of these guys unless they're an all time great
player or like some All American. You might just you're
gonna have a max like two years, but you're not
gonna have many players for like five years. Like those
days are done obviously in the NFL, for the majority
of players. They kind of coming up as someone who

(01:06:05):
was in the industry. What do you think makes the
team an RK look worse? Firing male for being incompetent
after year one, We're keeping him another year and wasting
a second season of drook of Drake's rookie deal because
he's crafts handpicked succession planned. I've never seen a head

(01:06:25):
coach so incompetent on the field and at the podium.
I don't think you can worry about looking stupid. It's
why I'll defend John moraf He fires everybody again. He
clearly does not want to fire everybody. But if every
single week your team just gets curb stomped and you
are honestly, it feels like right now, the Giants have

(01:06:48):
been the worst team in the league for the last
forty five days. I mean they have been really, really bad.
I know the Panthers just look shitty, but they have
been played very, very hard. Hell, the Jags are in
a lot of these games. The Titans, i mean, their
quarterback is so terrible and their coaching staff had nothing
to do with Will Levis. The GM threw that on them.

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But I think when you look at the Patriots, like
you tried to do the right thing. You had this
guy who was a team captain, and then Belichick hired
and everyone liked him, and you're like, we think this
guy can be the next head coach, and you fall
in love with the guy that you knew as a
player then as an assistant coach. It kind of gets

(01:07:29):
weird once he's named that and it's just been a
disaster this year. And if you get absolutely mollywopped the
rest of the season, how could anyone like he made
a mistake? Welcome to life, make about five a day.
Part of the world we live in now. Obviously, there
are some mistakes that are worse than others, and hiring

(01:07:52):
the wrong head coach is a pretty big problem and
can be a pretty big setback. But I think where
it becomes more detrimental to the long term growth of
a franchise is like when you hold on another year,
you're like, let's just see this thing play out. Let's
just see how it goes. You're like, h not sure

(01:08:12):
that's a good idea. Would the Chargers have been better
off firing Brandon Staley after he lost to the Jags
on that Saturday night that playoff game instead of running
it back the following year and having them win five games.
Because if you remember, Jim Harball was ready to play
ball because he was interviewing with Minnesota. He ended up
not taking the job O'Connell did, but he was ready

(01:08:33):
two years ago. I am curious how you can really
evaluate running backs. In my opinion, it is so incredibly
dependent on the offensive line and scheme. Any running back
could thrive in certain situations and fail in others. Keel
and Peel comedy show used to do some football skips

(01:08:54):
and I always wanted them to do one where in
a game, one team had Adrian Peterson in peak physical
shape as their running back and the other had a
seven year old girl. When they do a handoff to
the young girl, the seize part and everyone makes a
great block. The gaps are ten feet wide, and she
runs it in for a touchdown. The announcer says, wow,

(01:09:15):
she really sees the field. Well, you can tell she
really has been working hard in the off season. Then
the other team gets the ball, hands off to Peterson
and ten guys immediately in his face and just destroying
the announcers. He has just been really disappointing this season,
clearly something going on with him. Well, you can evaluate

(01:09:39):
physical skills, right speed, strength, ability to break tackles, contact, balance,
when you're hit, do you lose your feet, do you
hang up? How you catch the ball out of the backfield,
how you pass protect There are skills whether you're on
a great team or a bad team, you can evaluate immediately.
And then regardless of the team, whether you have a

(01:09:59):
good offensive line or a offensive line. I can't judge
your vision. And like Saquan's had great vision since he
was in college, so even when you were watching with
the Giants, his vision was elite. You know, the Frank
Gores of the world, Jonathan Taylor. You know, Saquan has
elite speed, But like Jonathan Taylor, Frank Gore is a
good example because he wasn't super fast. I'm trying to think, guys.

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You know, I think when you watch, I think Montgomery
has a really good vision. Christian McCaffrey. Uh, you know,
you can watch Alvin Kamara. You can just watch a
guy's skills and everyone's skill sets a little different. You know,
Derrick Henry doesn't have much ability to He's not super
fluid in terms of his hit movement, so he's not

(01:10:43):
like Shady McCoy. If you're just one on one with
him in the hole, he's not going to juke you out.
But he has excellent feet and he's a very patient runner,
and then he can get really fast immediately, so if
he kind of slows you down, he can use his
feet to get lateral and get around you. And you know,
guys like Shady McCoy. I'm trying to think if there's

(01:11:05):
a super elusive back in the league right now. You know,
Christian McCaffrey's got pretty good jukes. You know, Jacobs is
kind of like he's got good jukes, but he's also
a power back. I think it's pretty easy to evaluate
running backs. Obviously, their production a lot of time is
based on the skill around them, the play caller, the

(01:11:27):
offensive line. But like you can tell immediately when there
are backs that are like this guy's made for his
zone running scheme and they would not be a good
in some other schemes. Because zone running schemes, a guy
can be kind of stiff and not be able to
juke you, but he can be one cut downhill and work,
you know, the dude for the forty nine ers. Grendo

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like he doesn't have he's not gonna have a repertoire moves,
but he's runs a four to three and he just
he can one cut and he gets downhill and he goes.
You know, Christian McCaffrey could play in any scheme. Alvin
Kamara could play in any scheme. I think Josh Jacobs,
Saquon Barkley, like those guys can play in any scheme.
I think Josh Jacob's a really good player. Washington State

(01:12:12):
football fan, I'm curious what your thoughts are on so
and so as I don't know who this player is.
I'll be honest, I don't think I watched a snap
of you guys this year. That's the one thing that
sucks for Washington State and Oregon State. I feel like
I used to watch you guys a lot, you know,
playing USC playing UCLA, playing Utah, play in Arizona State.

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I didn't watch you guys at all this year. Pains
me to say that is there any more indefensible or
embarrassing move than dropping in football right before you score?
I cannot imagine facing my team or coach after giving

(01:12:57):
away a sure touchdown. But this seems to happen once
a month between college and pro. How does this keep happening? Listen,
no one that talks about football unless you're a running
back or like a skill guy. It feels like it's
mainly happened to running backs and occasionally to wide receivers.

(01:13:18):
It just I don't have what am I even supposed
to say? Clearly, after it happened once or twice over
the last couple of years, you would think once a
month minimum. There is like a period in the team
meeting where or definitely the offensive meeting with the offensive
coordinator where we just spend five minutes on highlights. My

(01:13:41):
thing would be, you hold the ball, I mean through
the end of the end zone. I might have a
thing like you run through the end zone like I
want to see you if you can. I mean, obviously
some plays, it only happens on breakaway plays. It's not
typically happening on plays where you're like Hall and asked
the pylon trying to beat the guy there. So it

(01:14:03):
happens on plays like Jonathan Taylor where it's it's just
him and the end zone. I would have a rule
in that situation where it's you versus the end zone.
We run through the end zone. If you want to
do a dance or do anything at the end, fine,
but we run to the other white, so we run
an extra ten yards to get little Cardio in. That

(01:14:25):
would be my rule. But I can't even begin to explain,
like why guys are dropping the ball. Would like to
remain anonymous. No problem here, buddy. My question is why
does the media always give day ball pass and say
he's a good coach when he's never beaten the Cowboys.
No matter how bad the roster has been, he should

(01:14:45):
have at least beaten them once. By now, I can't
even remember the last time a Giant's first Cowboy game
was competitive. It took hard Ball a while, but eventually
kept kicking Ohio states ass. I'm a Chargers fan, and
even Staley beat the Chiefs once. I'm telling you, I
think it's getting really bad for Dable. I think yesterday

(01:15:06):
was a game where it just I felt ten minutes
in because like the way the four boxes work, you
had the Cowboy game, you had the morning slate was
pretty bad, so you had they were like three or
four big teams playing, but they were all playing shitty
teams and one of them obviously was Ravens, the Dolphins,

(01:15:29):
Texans was one game the Jets Jags. I think God,
the Morning Slate was rough, but I was like, Okay,
i'm watching. Maybe New York puts up a decent fight
for half, and it was like, no, this j Vivers Varsity.
This is a joke. I mean, Lamar's pants were falling
down when he was running around. It was yesterday. Unless
obviously the Ravens are better than the Giants. No one

(01:15:51):
disagrees there, But to just get clown like that. Every
time I'd look over it felt like Dave, which I
guess I respect. He's a coach. He's really into the game.
He's screaming, but it's like, bro, none of this matters.
So one thing I do respect about coaches, why I
could never do it is how can you pretend to

(01:16:13):
be super mad when you're down twenty eight to seven
and you're playing a team that is so much better
than you that they could try with fifty percent effort
and they'd still beat you by double digit points. They
could literally try half, like they could cut their effort
in half and you would still get your askickt And
you're screaming at officials. You're screaming at players. How can

(01:16:35):
you mentally do that? I get if you're a coach
and your team's competitive, or you're trying to build like
this year three, your team's going backwards, you just got
to be a bad frame of mind. Huge fan of
the show. Question for the mail bag. I know you
don't usually answer questions like this on the mail bag,
but I'm just curious. I am currently a college student

(01:16:55):
majoring in sports media and journalism. I'm just wondering if
you have any advice for people wanting to get into
the industry. The mail bag is wide open any question, advice,
life observations, football questions. The mail bag is a free
for all. We do not put any sort of requirement

(01:17:17):
on the mailbag. My advice would be, how would I
put this? I don't know exactly what you are trying
to focus in. Under that theme of being a media
member slash journalist, I would say making money writing moving

(01:17:38):
forward is going to be very, very difficult. The money
behind the written word diminishes by the day, so to
learn how to either talk or YouTube, be on camera,
whatever your version of the written word is, where there's
financially support behind it. And the great part is I

(01:18:01):
was just driving Maria's mom, she has the same birthday
as Maria, and came out for the weekend and we
were talking. You know, her grandma, well, her mom and
Maria's grandma is ninety three years old. I was like, God,
she's born nineteen thirty. Think how long she's you know,
the thing she's seen right, World War two, Vietnam, presidential assassinations, recessions, booms,

(01:18:25):
she in it all nine I mean, there's I mean,
her whole life like and they we were just talking,
Like she said to her the other day, you know,
there's driverless cars and Mary her her mother, couldn't believe it.
She's like, you know, ninety three, I gotta have her
be in a driverless car before she passes away, Like
that would be pretty cool. Like think about that, that

(01:18:46):
life span. And I was like, yeah, that is kind
of cool. And I started thinking that I don't know
why I went what I was where I was going
with this one, but oh, you know, things changed so
dramatically over time, and I think the hard part moving
forward is we don't know where it's going to go.

(01:19:06):
Oh this is why. Because she basically started talking about
how awesome. It was like her childhood and how everyone
knew their neighbors and anytime you needed anything, people were
there for you. And just society's a lot different now, right,
you know, Hell, I probably named two of my neighbors'
names on my entire streets. It's a little different. Even
the way that I grew up, we knew everybody, and

(01:19:28):
everyone's kind of more into themselves, feels really busy all
the time. It's just life has changed. And I said,
you know, there are pros and cons to every era,
but like there are a lot of pros to this era. One.
I can record a podcast that can dwarf radio from
my home office, and if I choose to, I can

(01:19:51):
go rent an area, build a studio, do whatever I want.
But I got options, and I don't need to work
for someone to do this. And if I wasn't sitting
here and wanted to get into this, I could create
my own stuff. I create a YouTube channel, I create
a podcast, I create a substack, I create do whatever
I want to do, and that's There is money in writing,

(01:20:13):
but if you start a substack, it's very hard to
get a following, get people to read what you are writing.
So I guess my overall take here is I think
it's very easy to see a lot of older journalists
be very negative. And this is what I told Jennifer
her mom. It's like, you know, I think it's always
easy to take the negative or pessimistic stance of like, yeah,

(01:20:36):
this today, there's so many things going against us in
twenty twenty five. I choose to go there's a lot
of shit going for us. And I would say the
optimistical or optimistical is not a word the people with
the optimistic viewpoint of look at all the opportunity here,
because you can choose to pass. And I think if

(01:20:57):
you look at a lot of big j's, they'll be
very negative about everything. It's like, well, yeah, you got
no fucking chance, but that's gonna be your mindset. Good luck,
you're gonna get lapped by everyone who is I don't
want to say bright eyed and bushy tailed, but just
is positive and attacks it. And it's this stuff didn't
exist when I was in college. There was no such

(01:21:18):
thing as YouTube. Hell, I don't even remember I never
listened to a podcast in college. So you just have
so many more options, even if certain things are kind
of falling at the way like the newspaper industry dies, okay,
well then the video industry and the podcast industry, and
who knows what's gonna happen in the next three or four years.

(01:21:38):
Whenever I hear people like, what are your goals the
next five years? Like, I don't know. Who knows what
is gonna be available, what's gonna happen, what the consumer wants.
I'll go wherever the consumer is. My goal is just
to service them. So if they're somewhere else, then we'll
go find them. If they want me over here, then
we'll do this. So my goal is just to follow

(01:21:58):
them and ideally have follow me. But like I can't.
I'm not some technological wizard to foresee what's gonna happen.
But I would say based on you're in college, like
you've got a pretty good idea and you should have
a pretty big advantage, Like you understand social media, you
understand the landscape of how to use all this technology
or to have some basic idea use that to your advantage.

(01:22:22):
That's a huge advantage for you is the understanding of
technology and just use it into what you do, whether
it's reporting, whether you want to be a writer, you
know I there are ways to attack. Get on Twitter
or get on substack, get on LinkedIn, get on YouTube,
and start trying. Shit, you're so young, you have the

(01:22:44):
world ahead of you. Half the things won't work and
be complete waste of time. But every time that you
do it, you'll figure out something along the way. You will,
you know, you learn from whatever fails, and maybe the
one thing that kind of gains traction, maybe you'll go,
I kind of like this, and then you'll quadruple down
on it, and maybe it'll lead you to meet some

(01:23:04):
guy that will lead you to something you just you
never know. I have a random thought, what if instead
of having three timeouts each team at six per game.
I can't think of any drawbacks, but I'm not putting
a lot of thought. I think six. I think there

(01:23:24):
would be a huge emphasis on rolling over minimum four
to the second half, Like We're never blowing all three
in the first half, because I would always have that
extra time out in the second half and ideally we
have five, right, but like delay of games and stuff

(01:23:45):
in the first quarter, let it roll. I think that's extreme.
I think part of the strategy of the game is
to navigate, and part of the coaching of the game
is like, not screw these things up, Like, you know,
when you get a big how often when you get
a big explosive play, whether it's a big run or
a big pass play, do you see them in a
delay game situation? And then the coach or the quarterback

(01:24:09):
is forced to take a timeout or there's a delay game,
even though clearly in practice they're emphasizing, hey, explosive play,
get down the field, get to the line of scrimmage,
We'll get the play in the huddle. Happens all the time.
So I I think that would band aid and protect
poor strategy and low level coaching. I think you deserve

(01:24:34):
to be exposed when you only have one time out
with under five minutes of the game, Like, that's on you.
What did you screw up in the third quarter? And
why are you blowing these timeouts until you need them
at the end of the game. It's why I have
less of an issue blowing timeouts. You know the way
where timeouts disappear at halftime and you get new three
timeouts in the second half. If you're gonna get a
delay game into the first quarter, I got no problem

(01:24:56):
doing that. But in the second half like, I think
way too many teams blow timeouts in the third quarter. Okay,
last question, why don't people give the Texans any chance
to do well in the playoffs. They lost in a
set last second field goal to the Packers Lions, and
they beat the Bills. They did lose the Titans, but

(01:25:16):
a loss to a divisional rival happens to good teams
all the time. The offense definitely hasn't lived up to
the hype, but the defense is second to the league in
takeaways and has incredible talent all over the field. It
just seems like people have a lot more faith in
the Ravens, Steelers, and Chargers, but the Texans should be
in the same boat. Listen, they get they got a
corner right now that you don't want to throw to

(01:25:38):
because at any moment he can pick off the ball
in Derek Stingley. So they're nine to five. I mean
they're gonna end up winning eleven games. I would guess
the final remaining schedule is at the Chiefs first, the
Ravens at the Titans. So I think this is a
big reason, and it's not all his fault. The offense

(01:26:00):
line has been atrocious, but CJ. Stroud's You know, he's
got seventeen touchdowns this year. If I would have told
you in the middle of December going into like basically
the Christmas stretch, that he'd have seventeen touchdowns and nine picks,
I think I know I did. I thought he would throw.
If you said over under Stroud touchdowns this year, I

(01:26:20):
would have put it like thirty. What do you throw
last year? Like twenty eight. Obviously the big issue was Stroud.
I think it's very difficult for you know, people that
legitimately fall football and have like a educated opinion. When
your offensive line is a major red flag, it becomes

(01:26:43):
very difficult in big games. They've given up forty five sacks.
Forty five sacks, I mean they're on pace for let's
say they end up with ten more over the last
three games, so divided by seventeen. I mean, that's over

(01:27:04):
three sacks a game. That's hard, man, it really is.
Mixing has been good for them. You're right. Defensively, they're
really physical, they're well coached, they have star corner, they
have a feisty defensive line. I mean, they got they

(01:27:27):
got two guys they're gonna be Daniel Hunter is gonna
end up with Daniel Hunter fifteen ish sacks. Will Anderson's
gonna end up with twelve thirteen sacks. So they got
two guys that can rush the passer. I feel like,
what's his name, Petrie the the uh. I think he's

(01:27:49):
a safety. I love that guy. I just feel like
he's fucking crushes people. Stingley is seventeen PBUs and he's
got five picks. Bullock has five picks lasted as three picks.
Jimmy Ward's got a couple of picks. I mean, they

(01:28:10):
got their their defensive backfields good. And if you got
to do good defensive back, like their defense is legit.
If you just gave your that defense to the Ravens,
like that level of pass defense to the Ravens, like
or the Bills, you'd be like lock super Bowl. It's
just their offense is struggled, and the offense has mainly

(01:28:30):
struggled because it feels like their guards and center gets
smoked and CJ just gets crumbled three plus sacks on
average a game. It's pretty rough. Even watching the game
against who they just played, the Dolphins, I feel like
he was getting hit a lot in that game too.
I just don't know how often you can play these teams,

(01:28:55):
Like how many times he gets sacked? I got sacked
four times in that game, and this is just the
basic stats, But you got sacked four times. How many
times was he pressured? I feel like he's under duress constantly.
Not trying to make excuses for the guy, but holy
Molly gets sacked a lot. I mean, CJ's a decent
athlete who is a worst athlete, plays an awful offensive line.

(01:29:16):
Was only sacked three times in the game. But yeah, man,
Houston's gonna be tough out. I will agree with that.
Appreciate everyone listening to talk to you guys. Soon the
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