John reacts to the news that Cleveland Browns superstar Myles Garrett is not present at OTAs, but rather with his girlfriend at the anime awards after securing a lucrative contract extension. John reacts to Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams addressing the media in regards to him and his father's pre-draft concerns with the Bears. John reacts to Indianapolis Colts head coach Shane Steichewn's comments on the splitting the reps between incumbent QB Anthony Richardson and free agent signing QB Daniel Jones. John reacts to New England Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel addressing the media in regards to WR Stefon Diggs viral boat video with rapper Cardi B. John dives into NFL boat related controversies of the past, such as the New York Giants infamous boat picture before their playoff game against the Green Bay Packers, as well as the 2005 Minnesota Vikings Love Boat scandal. John wraps up with Fugazi Fridays as well as Microsoft Chasing Challenges where he discusses the challenges NFL teams face with bonding throughout the offseason.
Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.
02:27 - Myles Garrett
05:49 - Caleb Williams
10:40 - Trey Lance
11:44 - Anthony Richardson & Daniel Jones
13:40 - Stefon Diggs
19:00 - 2005 Minnesota Vikings
20:51 - Fugazi Friday: John vs the Scorpion
24:01 - Microsoft Chasing Challenges
39:05 - Mailbag
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I mean it's almost June. The days may go by
kind of slow, but the months, the year's time, it
feels like it's flying. So let's just let's try to enjoy,
enjoy life. And like Miles Garrett, who got an enormous
amount of money, I was told, we need you to
(00:45):
be a leader, He's like, guys, trade me. Took the
money and now he's in Japan hanging out with his girlfriend.
So we will discuss that. Caleb got to give a
young man some credit. I thought he did a really
good job the other day discussing his situation Daniel Anthony
Richardson versus Daniel Jones. I feel like that decision has
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already been made. I really do. And I think Anthony
Richardson's time in Indianapolis TikTok. We had a boat incident
with some drugs pink powder from Stefan Diggs and Cardi B. Well,
Cardi B wasn't in the part with the drugs. Well,
she came in later with some dancing. But boats and
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NFL players. Man, it made me think of some other
boat situations that I wanted to touch on. And then
of course we'll do a little mail bag as well
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I'm sure a lot of people have used this phrase,
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but we've all heard it over the years. When someone
tells you who they are, listen definitely in scouting, right,
It's kind of an old adage. A young man will
tell you through his actions, his maturity, how much he
cares when you're scouting him. So don't be surprised when
you knew everything and then you get him to the
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NFL team and he's already proven who he was.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Some people change, some people mature. But Miles Garrett didn't
run away from his feelings about the Cleveland Browns this offseason.
He went to the Super Bowl on a mission. I
want a trade, get me out of here in the
Cleveland Browns because of their owner and his desire to
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get to Shun Watson, put themselves into predicament worst contract
of all time. The guy now has multiple Achilles tares
over the last six months. Is a disaster, is an
anchor on the franchise. But they were given it out.
They have a thirty plus year old all time great
talent who wanted to leave, and they could have traded
(03:55):
him for Ahule. And then it turns out they could
fleece the Jags and get multiple first round picks based
on a trade back from two to five. So if
they had played it right, which I would imagine the
coach in the GM would have been willing to do,
they could be here flush with picks. But you know
what they did instead, the owner, like with Deshaun Watson,
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because listen, money could make a lot of people shut up. Now, listen,
money changes a lot of our lives, right, especially for
more most people. It just cures our basic necessities. Pays
for room and board, pays for food, pays for transportation,
like it's pretty important to most of us. And then
you get really rich, a guy like Miles Garrett who's
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made one hundred and twenty three million dollars at the
end of last season at thirty years old. It's an
astronomical amount of money, and given that he's still in
the prime of his career, whether it was the Browns
or someone else, he would have another one hundred and
fifty million dollars one percent coming his way. And that
doesn't even count anything he does off the field. This
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guy has a ton of cash. Money is not going
to change how you feel at all when you're that rich.
So when Jimmy Haslm's like, I'm not trading you, which
is his prerogative, but it made no sense, and I
remember thinking, like, why don't you just trade him right now?
He's giving you the out, because if you just imprompt
you traded him and he didn't want to leave, there
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would be pushback because most fans would go this guy
is one of the more talented guys in the history
of this team and franchise and in the league. You
could argue he's the most talented or definitely top two
or three most talented guy in the prime of his
career in the league currently. But he said he wanted
out and they refused to do it, and Jimmy Haslam
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gave him one hundred and twenty five million dollars to
shut him up. Miles Garrett told him, I don't want
to be there. So when I see the story that
he's in Japan with his girlfriend at the Anime Awards,
and there was a story after they paid him that
internally they wanted him to step up, he'd been showing
up late. They think he could be a much better leader.
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He doesn't want to play for your franchise, and just
because you gave him a lot of money is not
going to change that feeling internally for the guy, Caleb Williams.
The story that broke what would last? I don't know.
Fifteen days from Wickersham's book about Caleb and his dad's
feelings toward the Chicago Bears is not new. The story
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kind of is. But those thoughts were from as we
Sit here, May twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, fifteen months ago.
That's from January, February March in twenty twenty four, were
basically in June twenty twenty five. I don't blame him
for having those thoughts, even if I don't agree with
all of them or think that some of them are
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kind of laughable. You're allowed to think whatever you want
to think, and when you factor in family situations and
his dad, who by all accounts as a successful businessman,
had some strong beliefs. No one, including Bears fans, push
back against his thoughts that like this is a place
where quarterbacks go to die. Are we sure eber Flus
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is good enough, they asked. We all knew that answer.
No he's not. He's objectively one of the worst coaches
we've ever seen. It was like a more buttoned up
Jim Tomsula. But Caleb Williams could have easily taken the
mic and listen. He didn't talk last week, his prerogative.
Don't really blame him, young guy. A lot of emotions.
Give me a week. Let me just take a deep breath.
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And you know what he did. He handled it like
a ten year vet, because you know how I would
have handled it. Like, listen, guys, I'm not going to
talk about things written in a book from fifteen months ago.
I'm excited Ben's here. We have a loaded team. I
can't wait for this fall. I'm fired up to be
a Bear. That's the end of the story. Instead, he
went on like a three and a half minute kind
(07:50):
of diatribe, acknowledging that none of that stuff was fake,
that that was real, not that any of us didn't
believe it, but he embraced it, and I thought, you
know what, it would have been easy one for him
just to avoid it. Ask Rory McElroy, where have you been, buddy?
Nowhere to be seen? Won't acknowledge the press over something
kind of quote unquote controversial in golf. It's about a driver.
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So when you talk about a twenty one to twenty
two year old guy that has some you know, pretty
big headlines about some negativity about the franchise that he
plays for, coming from himself and his father, you know
is going to be a big deal. And he could
have just tried to avoid it. Instead, not only did
he take it head on, he acknowledged it was all true,
and not only does he not regret it like he's excited.
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And if I was a Bears fan, there wasn't much
to be excited for in twenty twenty four. I think
we all acknowledge it was an embarrassment of a season
led by Eberflus, who was fired the day after Thanksgiving.
Anytime you're fired after the day after Thanksgiving tells you
how bad things are going. But part of what makes
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great quarterbacks or not how fast they are or how
great their arm is, it's how they handle shit. It's
their character, it's their focus, it's the intangible stuff. The
best two quarterbacks of my adult life, not even close.
I don't even know who would be. The third guy
would be probably Rogers would be Manning and Brady Why
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because of what they could handle off the field. And
that's a huge part of this crew of guys right now. Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and Caleb clearly has
a lot of the physical attributes, but what separates guys
is the intangibles. And I was really impressed watching Caleb talk.
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I remember a couple of years ago when the forty
nine ers signed Sam Darnold. I went, I think Trey
Lance's career here in San Francisco is done. And you
couldn't say that because there was internet contingent of booger
eaders that thought Trey Lance was the next Lamar Jackson.
(10:05):
It turns out he's a borderline average third string quarterback,
but he was traded before Week one going into his
third year. But in that offseason they had told you,
we don't even think he's a backup. Now they didn't
say that, they talked we believe, we think there's still
something there. But one thing as you get older you
(10:26):
learn is words are kind of worthless. Judge people by
their actions, especially professional sports teams, because they will give
you the run around and the propaganda machine. These guys
are good at it. Coaches, players, general managers, most of
them now are pretty well versed in the ability of bullshit.
(10:49):
But I saw that Shane Steiken said that we are
gonna split the reps evenly throughout OTAs, give or take
one hundred and seventy snaps each for Daniel Jones and
Anthony Richardson, and my first reaction went, I think Anthony
Richardson's career in Indy has a very good chance of
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ending because if I was a betting man sitting here
May twenty nine, twenty twenty five, I would bet on
Daniel Jones beating him out. And I'm not pro Daniel Jones,
don't think he's good either, But I've seen this song
and dance before, and I would imagine after last year
everything they experienced with Anthony Richardson and that moment when
he quit on the team in the middle of a
(11:31):
game and clearly his teammates turned on him. I went,
I think this is probably over. And then they gave
Daniel Jones, who I thought was like a three or
four million dollar player, fourteen million dollars to come compete,
aka start for them. So I would guess as we
sit here right now, that Daniel Jones won't only he
(11:54):
will win this starting job for the Colts come Week one,
that they won't keep Anthony Richson is the backup quarterback
because as we saw last year his value as a
backup quarterback. It's this guy's a project. And I have
no problem with what Chris ballor did. He took a
swing for the fences. But I say this all the
time because I am pro you know, going for broke
(12:17):
high in the draft with guys like this, but sometimes
when you do that, you strike gold, you become a
multi millionaire. You get Patrick Mahomes, you know, you get
Jamar Chase, you get whoever a great player really high
in the draft, and those guys, you know, Jamar Chase
wasn't a project, but Mahomes was. It was risky and
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sometimes when you go for broke, you do go broke.
And that's what it feels like the Anthony Richson situation
is headed toward. There was a boat incident with Stefan Diggs, Cardi,
b and some I think, as the kids say it, thoughts, tots, influencers, strippers, hookers,
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a lot of a lot of chicks on a boat
that included some drugs. Now, I'm not the moral police here.
I don't care what you do for fun personally, not
a huge upper guy. I'm not a drug guy in general.
I don't know. I like going to bed much more
of like a day hangout party guy, maybe some cocktails
(13:20):
by a pool, lake golf course than I am trying
to stay up all night. So can't totally relate to that,
but understand it lived long enough in this world to
know some people like that stuff. So I had also
not naive enough to think that there are people in
the NFL, maybe guys that own the team, that don't
dabble in some booger sugar. I did not know what
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a pink powder was when step On Digs handed it.
We've seen a lot of different people on the internet
kind of break it down to the little mixture of
a party cocktail for your nostrils. Now, I think sometimes
when you get on a boat as an NFL player,
things have not gone well historically, And on a serious note,
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I've talked a lot about you know how difficult it is,
and I've used Ben Johnson as an example because he
was an elite coordinator. I mean, he's the best coordinator
in the league the last couple of years. But when
something like this happened, if it did happen with the Lions,
it was on the general manager and Dan Campbell to
handle it. It's not his problem. When Jamison Williams had
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an issue with a gun and pulled over with a brother,
that's Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes problem. It's not Ben
Johnson's problem. So when this happens for Mike Vrabel, it's
like he's been head coach in the NFL for a
long time. There is no chance that he hasn't had
drug issues with players before. He knows how to handle it.
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Whether he handles it correctly or not, time will tell.
You could argue why you even signed him in the
first place, but he has experience with this exact situation.
So I think when you look at this boat situation
for the Patriots, it's kind of funny, but also, like
you know, when you get a player like this who's
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dating Cardi B. If I told you right now that
Cardi B was just dating some other entertainer, actor, rapper
or whatever and was on a boat with a ton
of other stripper looking chicks and a dude and they
were just partying all day, would you imagine drugs would
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be involved. I think the answer would be yes. So really,
just because it's Digs and not someone that fits some
other line of work, it's pretty jarring to see if
you are Mike Rable and the Patriots brass and if
your digs in his age and it's like, bro, let's
keep our head on a swivel here for the cameras.
But we have some recent memory or some recent events,
(15:51):
obviously the Odell Beckham situation, because if you're on a
boat doing stupid shit in the middle of May or
late many who really cares one he has a torney
acl he couldn't even practice if he wanted to. He's
not even gonna be ready. Week one, Odell Beckham and
crew went to a boat I had forgotten the exact date.
It's like, did they have a bye week? I'm like, no,
(16:12):
that was Tony Romo when he went with Jason Witten
to cam Kun, which honestly isn't even that crazy. He's
definitely not the first and won't be the last player
to go hang out for a couple days as the
number one seed during the bye Weird. Look, I guess
if you're the starting quarterback who's never had much success
in the playoffs, you're dating someone really famous, as he
was Jessica Simpson, but Odo Beckham because the season used
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to end right around New Year's because it wasn't seventeen games,
it was only sixteen, so either the thirty first, the first,
the thirtieth, right around there. So the New York Giants
flew down to Miami on Monday of a playoff week,
and they proceeded I'm pretty sure to get blown out,
like forty to ten. They got destroyed and he got
(16:57):
destroyed as well. But you can even argue, is that
that crazy? It's like these guys all five private I
don't know how long the private jet is from New
York to Miami, a couple hours, two three, three and
a half, two whatever, but that not that wild. One
event that gets lost in translation that has never talked
about anymore is the love Boat. And sometimes I just
(17:23):
miss pre social media events because I feel like they
were actually way crazier than anything that could happen now
because of a camera. Like if I was to defend
Stephan Diggs, you would have to be pretty naive to
think he's the only guy in the NFL in the
off season that is dabbling in some drugs, you know,
(17:46):
anti drugs here. But I'm also not dumb enough to
think that some people are having a good time with
some things they probably shouldn't be and that aren't the
healthiest thing for them and can result in problems. But
helt young people, especially with money, tends to be a
rich guy drug. That's what cocaine is. And the love
boat with the Minnesota Vikings in two thousand and five
(18:10):
is something we just do not talk about enough because
the franchise it was right post Randy Moss, Dante Culpepper
was very famous quarterback Fred Smoot pretty sure it was
one of the better corners in the league. Bryant McKinney
was a star left tackle, and they had just a
solid team and they chartered a boat with other people,
(18:32):
so it was a bunch of players, a bunch of hoes,
and just some random people. And I had to google
the event because they got in big trouble and I
was like, what exactly happened on the love boat? And
then I read this article that said eye witnessed reports
starting offensive Lineman Bryant McKinney is charged with giving and
(18:53):
receiving He's a giver oral sex from an unidentified woman.
Fred Smoot, who is believed to have chartered the boat
with another player, was charged with using a sex toy
on not one, but two unclothed women. The witnesses say
all the acts happened in view of the other passengers.
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These cats were just having a massive orgy pre I
mean two thousand and five. I'm not even sure that
we had cameras on cell phones. This thing was like
a vivid shoot in the Hollywood Hills, just out in
the lake in Minnesota. All these guys got in big trouble.
This also was during the season. So while the Stefan
(19:37):
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a boat playoff game, then get your ass kicked and
have an orgy mid season on a boat actually is
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Before we get out of here, a couple things. Fugazi Friday,
I was thinking about this. Don't have a great fugazi,
but this incident happened last night. You know when you're
when you're a guy and you get married, and for
those of you with kids, it's like when you're growing
up and your dad's like the protector. Like, if something
happens in the home, you know, have that shotgun ready.
(22:11):
We are protecting this home. Someone breaks in, hit him
with a fucking Louisville slugger to the dome. You're protecting
your family. You just kind of hopefully that never happens,
but if it does, you just gotta be ready. So
whether you're like Chuck Lydell or McGregor, or you're just
some random little dude, it's like you just gotta do
what you gotta do for protection. But then there are
just other things that come along where you're like, listen,
(22:34):
I'm not Steve Irwin. What do I do? Just Like
a couple of weeks ago, a bird got into our
house and this bird is freaking out. It's hitting windows,
it's cracking, Maria's freaking out, the dog's doing three sixties.
It's like, I have no clue. You're trying to help
the bird with a broom. You're afraid the bird's gonna
come after you. I just don't know what to do
(22:55):
in these situations. There is no handbook on how to
handle this. And then last night it's probably like I
don't know. Eleven thirty, twelve o'clock, I'm out like a light.
I have already popped a couple of melowtonins deep sleep.
All of a sudden, I heard a scream from the
from the bathroom, and I was like, is there a
mountain lion in our house? What just happened? And so
(23:17):
I come, She's like, there's a scorpion. We live in Arizona, right,
I got bobcats, I got pigs, I got coyotes. You
just ideally no mountain lions, but they're not far away.
You got animals and creatures. I've never seen a scorpion
since I've lived in Arizona. So I go, I'm expecting
to see a big ass one. I mean, just like,
(23:39):
you know, like a Trantola level scorpion. Get there. Things small,
it's like an inch and a half, but it's moving.
It's like saquon in the open field. I'm like, can
you you know, like a mosquito or a bug? You
just squash like I don't feel comfortable squashing with my hand.
What if it stings me? And the little ones? Again,
I'm not exactly dialed in with all my venomous creatures,
(24:02):
but I know, like little ones, can they control their
venom it actually could be worse. I'm like, I don't
want to get stung by this thing. But it's moving
and shaking, so you like run to the other room.
You get like the swifter so you can use the
end to cry to poke it, yet it's moving. She's
freaking out. And then you finally kill a scorpion. But
you realize these things that come along in life that
you're just taught, like the guy can handle it, and
(24:24):
you're like, what am I supposed How am I supposed
to get this fucking three birds that have flown into
my home out of this place? Like do you call someone?
It's one thing like you get rattlesnakes. My neighbor got
a rattlesnake in the backyard. You can like call the
uh you know, kind of the hoa people. They'll send
someone right over and take it out, like pretty basic protocol.
And then there are things like you're just on a
(24:45):
bike ride and all of a sudden you take a
turn and a bobcast right in front of you. You're like,
is this thing gonna bite my leg? Is it actually
scared of me? I don't know, and you just kind
of like got to figure it out on your own.
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have different guys. Miles Garrett's in Japan, you got Digs
out on a boat with you know, a little who
knows what you got Some of the veteran guys stand.
But the majority of players for every team are together.
There is a very laid back time of year. You're
doing a lot of mental exercises in the classroom, in
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the meeting room, walk throughs, and depending on how long
and how hot it is, you're probably on the field
truly practicing for like an hour and a half, maybe
an hour and forty five minutes, and on some days
it might be closer in an hour. The key to
this time of year is bonding and getting to know
each other. You have every single year in the NFL,
(26:23):
on average, it's like twenty eight to thirty five percent turnover,
so you have a lot of new players. Clearly, you
have rookies, you have undrafted free agents, you have free
agent signings. You have guys that maybe were not around
last year because of major injuries sustained in the off
season or in training camp. So you're trying to integrate
all these people a lot of programs if they're out
(26:43):
of entirely. New staff have new coaches. It's on the
coaching staff, specifically the head coach and the GM to
just figure out ways to bond and get to know
each other. Cause in a couple of weeks you'll break
for summer. You'll be gone for forty days then all
of a sudden, you'll just report to training camp and
about fifteen hours a day you will grind on football,
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and the better you get to know people. It's why
you know historically this time of year, if you know
you live in a place and you have an NHL
team that's making and run in the playoff, buy a
suite and as many guys that want to go go
hang out, drink beers. Position coaches have guys to their house,
have a barbecue and just get to know each other,
hang out with each other, because I do think it's
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a tried and true formula. When you know respect and
honestly like the other person you're working with, you are
willing to work harder. And that's no different in football
or any of the businesses we're in. And I think
it's harder now than ever, especially with all these rookies
and young guys in the NFL that have been bouncing
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around college programs all over the place, so their relationships
with others are different historically than the older guys in
the league. That most guys that have been the league
five plus years when they went to Texas, when they
went to Alabama, when they went to Washington, when they
went to Florida State. Whether it went well or not,
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early on, they stayed because that's what happened in the
history of college football. Now, see ya, you're not paying
me enough, I'm out. And that creates a different type atmosphere.
And I think in the NFL, the atmosphere of like, ideally,
you're gonna be on this team for a while. Now
we're gonna have to pay you for it, but and
extend your contract one day. But we want you here
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for a while, and we need to get to know you,
and we need to spend time together. And this is
a great time when not much is going on, where
you can have people over to your house, set up
a barbecue, set up events where everyone gets to hang out,
maybe some booze involved, and just get to know each other.
And I think that's incumbent on all the good teams
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Let's do a little thing we like to call the mailbag.
We did a big, big mail bag yesterday, still got
a million questions, so I appreciate everyone that interacts with this.
We will start with Harris just my Instagram. You guys
know the drill. Let's say you're a GM. Would you
rather be in a position where the talent on the
team is great and the quarterback is not up to
the standards of winning a championship like Dallas, Pittsburgh or Miami.
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Would you rather be in a position where the quarterback
is great but the talent itself is some par For example,
like the Chargers. Some could say the Bears. I think
you could throw the Bengals in there as well. I
would say you would. It's like the NBA version. Would
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you rather just have the star and then figure it
out or would you have rather have like a really
deep team but no star. I think you always choose
the star. Would I rather have Burrow or Herbert? Yeah?
Over the Cowboys. I wouldn't compare the Cowboys to the Steelers.
I mean, they won twelve games three straight years and
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Dak just kind of shit the bed. I mean, they
did win one playoff game of the three, but like
he's Deck, he's still a top twelve ish quarterback. And
Steelers don't have anybody I mean that doesn't exist. They
do not have it. We think Aaron Rodgers. I just
assume that. But the Dolphins to me are the worst
spot because clearly their guy is like more than functional.
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You can just win with him, but he gets injured
and he's not good enough to beat anyone actually good.
So I would definitely choose the Chargers. Definitely choose the Bengals.
I mean, look at the Chargers. They get Jim Harbaugh.
Last year, they win eleven. This year it feels like
they're gonna win double digit b back in the playoffs.
So I think you would always choose the quarterback first
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because you could have a really good team and just
like struggle to find a quarterback. Do you think the
BS holding on Bradbury in Super Bowl fifty seven is
the difference being the Chiefs dynasty instead of the Eagles.
As a diehard Birds fan, that still bothers me. Well,
they've won, they won three of five and now you've won.
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So they would only have two and you would have two.
It would have been a pretty big moment. I mean,
Howie would have had three Super Bowls, Sirianni would have
had two. Jalen Hurts would have had two. Been a
pretty big sliding doors moment in the NFL. I typically
hate tiki tac calls in general. I do believe that
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past interference is the one that, like, I mean, most
of these plays. I mean obviously the famous one in
the Saints Rams game where the dude got taken out,
but I yeah, I don't know. I'd have to re
see the play. I mean, you'd know better than me.
That feels like ten years ago, something you said sparked
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a question. With the media rights evolving and the shift
towards streaming, supposed Amazon offers the Big Ten half a
billion for broadcasting rights and outbids a traditional partner like Fox.
What is to stop Fox from going directly to a
powerhouse program like Michigan or Ohio State and saying if
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you go independent, will pay you eighty million each. Instead
of schools forming super conferences, could we see more teams
following a model like Notre Dame. Well, Notre Dame clearly,
I mean part of their pushback why they wouldn't join
the Big Ten is they're making so much money off
NBC and they're a great partner because they're games rate
on NBC, whether they're playing Navy Army or NIU or
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whether they're playing A and M or SC like they
do big, big numbers for NBC. I think one of
the worst mistakes I saw, You know, Fox gets excellent
Big Ten game mainly because they just if Michigan's good
or Ohio State's good, they just show all their games
and then when Penn State plays Michigan, when Penn State
plays Ohio State, so they just they just ride those
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two brands where I saw the the CBS that the
game at You know, for me, it was always twelve
thirty kickoff. But if you live on the eastern seaboard,
three point thirty that Alabama LSU, Florida, Georgia the SEC game. Well,
ESPN stole the SEC from them. And now some of
the games is like Purdue USC. I think it was
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like Ohio State, San Jose State. I mean some of
the games is like this is what you guys are showing.
I saw someone tweet like, this is why Gary Danielson's quitting.
I do think the thing with college football is you
bring up a good point. Michigan Ohio State are really
like NFL teams. If Michigan is good, Ohio State has
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been continuously good. They do huge, huge television numbers, I
mean massive. A Michigan Penn State game will do a
bigger number than any of the in fair. Oklahoma City
is a tiny market, but I saw that the Oklahoma
City Minnesota series was not highly rated, which makes sense.
I mean if it was Lakers Mavericks or Lakers Warriors,
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I mean to triple the number. But Ohio State is
just a really really valuable property. I do think they're
locked in for a while, and Fox is a pretty
good partner for the Big Ten. It's been very lucrative.
I mean for everybody involved. The Big Ten's making a
ton of money. Fox is doing huge ratings. But I
would say, big picture, everything's on the table. I don't
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pretend to be like some genius when it comes to
never say never. If Fox got asked out in your
hypothetical world, I think you would be naive to think
that they wouldn't if they were desperate to try to
do something like that and go after Ohio State. I
even think the number would be bigger. I would imagine
if you asked, like the Murdoch family and the people
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running the business of Fox, Ohio State is probably worth
two hundred million dollars like that, they would have no
problem just doing a direct deal giving them two hundred
million dollars a year. Maybe that number is crazy, definitely
well over one hundred. You said eighty. I think it
dwarfs that number minimum double it. I love the pod,
(36:17):
Give me a wig. The question comes from a Seahawks
fan living in enemy territory. I live in northern California,
Heart of forty nine or Nation I'm curious to know
your overall opinion on the Seahawks moving on from Pete
and hiring a younger Mike McDonald and by not choosing
to follow the rest of the league by hiring a
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young offensive guru and instead sticking to their roots hiring
a defensive guru. I have mixed feelings myself, intend to
lean heavier on an offensive coach, but again as a
Seahawks fan, after seeing arguably one of the best, if
not the best defense in the NFL during our Super
Bowl run, what they did did did to quote unquote
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the best offense in the game. Thing he's talking to
Denver and just knowing in the division we have Sean McVay,
is the right move? You are like, you're if you're
drafting one overall and you need a quarterback and there
are no quarterbacks in the draft, what are you supposed
to do? Right? The Titans, would they have rather had
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Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels than cam Ward? Sure, but
cam Ward was in the draft that they were in
and those two guys were not. Would they rather have
Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck? My point is is that
you if you fire your coach. The candidates are the candidates, right,
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Like would John Schneider rather higher Kyle Shanahan or Sean
McVay than Mike McDonald. Of course he would because there's
way less risk. It's like, why already know those guys
can be head coaches and they coach offense, which is
the most important thing to do. But those guys are available,
Kevin O'Connell, Lafloor, all these guys had jobs, and Ben
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Johnson last year wouldn't leave. So Mike McDonald, if he
had been an offensive coordinator what he did in Baltimore,
he would have been discussed like Ben Johnson was this year,
and he was. But it's just a little different because
of the defensive guy. So I think listen anytime that
you can get he was called boy genius in Baltimore.
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I mean, the guy is really really impressed. Whenever I
watched Mike McDonald talk, he actually conducts himself in front
of a microphone closer to an offensive personality. He's not
like screaming f bombs. He's at your typical defensive coach.
So I like the higher I think he's pretty high
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level guy. I thought he did a good job last year.
I guess the only thing is, you know, eventually, if
they draft a quarterback and I'm sure they're gonna try
over the next couple of years, or if Sam Darnold
they invest a decent amount of money in him. You know, Mike,
like Pete, can coach personality, can coach like offensive philosophy
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and big picture stuff, but like on a daily basis,
when it comes to footwork, when it comes to decision making,
when it comes to the execution of the offense, he's
not really gonna have anything to do with that. And
that's the overall pushback of Like at the end of
the day, when you give brock Purty a lot of
money or Matt Stafford a lot of money, or Jordan
Love a lot of money, your head coach is with
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that guy every single day, So sink or swim, he's
right next to him in the pool. Or Mike, like
his baby really is Witherspoon and the defense, in the
pass rush and the coverage and the tackling, that's what
he does well, that's his expertise. So in a perfect world,
if I get them both Ben Johnson and Mike McDonald,
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I think most people, including yourself, would just take Ben Johnson,
but they didn't really have that option. And I think
when you look at the coaches that were hired last year,
I think Mike was a no brainer higher for them,
and a really really good one. Love the show writing
In a non football question. I have lived in the
Upper Midwest my entire life. When I tell people I'm
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from Minnesota, they always ask what's the weather, especially if
they are from the south or western part of the country.
I assume they think it's freezing most of the time,
but it's really not. Meanwhile, I just looked at the
temperature in Scottsdale, Arizona, and it's already ninety seven degrees
at one o'clock in the afternoon in late May. That
(40:43):
sounds awful to me, especially since it's going to be
even hotter in July and August that, my friend, it
will be in the winter. Where I live, I can
always put on an extra layer or two and be
fine to go outside. But you can only take off
so many clothes when it's one hundred and ten degrees.
How are you not stuck inside during those unbearable summer months?
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And why is the weather in Arizona considered to be
better than the weather in Minnesota. I think if you
just pulled, most people, whether you're from Minnesota, whether you're
from New Mexico, Florida, Philly, whatever, most human beings do
not like the cold. And having lived here, you know,
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I lived in Philly for a couple of years, which
was by far the coldest place I'd ever lived for
a long period of time. But living in Arizona, we
get a lot of Midwest transplants, so I get to
meet and through golf, I meet a ton of Bears fans.
I've met a ton of Vikings fans, chiefs, fans like that.
That's stretch of the country. They come here, and I
would say to a man, and when you say put
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on an extra layer one hundred and ten degrees hot,
no one would argue that. And honestly, we had stretches
last year when it was one hundred and fifteen degrees.
Where I grew up in Sacramento, California. I grew up
in Davis, but it's separated by causeway. It got one
hundred and five to one hundred and eight degrees. I
lived in Fresno, it was one hundred and ten degrees.
Like it gets really hot in places in California. Even
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when I lived in Walnut Creek, which is a suburb
of the Bay Area, it definitely got high nineties. Maybe
one hundred and one oh one like it. That's hot's hot?
Cold sucks. I would take the hot now. One p
fifteen is pretty unbearable, and like you said, you spend
a lot of time inside. Guess what they have air conditioning?
I do think when it's zero degrees or again, I've
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never lived in the Midwest really. I stayed in Kansas
City for a little bit, but I left in early December.
You know, obviously Chicago, where you are in Minnesota, the
Dakota's place that are freezing Michigan. I would think if
we just polled most people, cold sucks, you can do.
I can play golf in one twelve. You ain't doing
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dick in minus ten degrees. It's say to drive when
it's hot. Is it safe to drive in a sleet storm?
So I could just speak for myself. I hate the cold,
and maybe you hate the heat. And some people just
are more comfortable in their environment. And I'm very comfortable,
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as comfortable as you can be. Like you said, one
hundred and fifteen degrees, maybe don't go outside right, And
you know it's why the smaller percentage of people around
here that are rich, they just leave. It's like, where
are you going leaving for the summer. It's like you
have forty eight years old? Did you have a job?
But you hear that a lot depending on what career
youre running with. And then some of us, you're just
stuck here and you can try to play golf, maybe
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go to the gym. I don't know. You just do
normal stuff. But school's never been canceled because it's one
hundred and twelve degrees. When I talk to people that
are from your area, like they cancel stuff when it's
too cold too. I don't know, step outside your house
because it's never too hot to actually step outside. You're
just gonna be warm. And here's the other thing I
would say about where I live. And I've never lived
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in the South, but I know we have people that
listen to the show from wherever. Florida, Texas, obviously, Mississippi, Alabama,
South Carolina. It's not humid here now. When it's really hot,
it feels thick, but it's not. There is no humidity,
like even when I was in New Orleans for the
Super Bowl. You're in early February. You could feel it
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outside like the air was thick. It's not like that here.
So I'm not defending. If you don't like heat, you
don't like heat. I hate cold. I despise the cold.
I mean, I get cold anything under sixty degrees. So
I just think that you get you also, you get
used to your surroundings. You know. I've grown up the
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majority of my life in warmer weather, clients with climates.
That's why I always like speak to these quarterbacks. It's
much easier. Shit. I'll never forget when I got hired
with the Eagle, I owned one suit. I owned one suit.
My dad had bought it for me, I think when
I graduated college, and I never even needed it when
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I went to get a job at Frozene State. But
I remember coming back and he took me this place
at Sacramento. I'd never been to a tailor really, and
you got me just like an Italian suit. You know. Again,
it was probably I don't know, five hundred bucks, which
again was extremely nice and it was cool. I owned
this suit, but I don't think I ever wore it
until I got hired in Philadelphia, and I remember maybe
(45:34):
bought it for me. When I got the Eagles job.
I forget, but I remember. You wear a suit on game.
It's cool, you're like official, you're in the front office.
I'm working for the Eagles. You wear a suit. Problem is,
you know, in training camp or a preseason game, it's
I mean, it's unbearably hot, so you're just soaked. Now,
I guess you could you didn't have to wear suit.
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You just wear a button up shirt. But as the
season goes on, you put on a suit. I remember
showing up to our first first cold game. I just
wore the suit and everyone else had like that extra
long ass thick coat. I'm like what, I was outside
for maybe five minutes and I couldn't feel my body.
And this is just walking from the car to the
field and standing there for five minutes. And I had
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to go over to the heater and stood by the heater,
which you gotta be careful you get you stay there
too long, it'll like it'll burn a hole in your
in your pants. But it's just we're all wired differently.
Some of us like what we like, right, I think
it's no different, Like we all got different taste buds.
We all got different, you know, sexual preferences, we all like.
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Our climate's a little different though most people in my
life I think prefer warmer overcolder. Quick question, do you
see Kyle getting the two thousands? Andy Reid treatment always
a bridesmaid on crazy talented team until he moves onto
a really solidified to really solidify his craft, Andy to
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the Chiefs, Maybe Kyle to the question. I hate to
admit that being Aniner fan, but it is what it is.
I think both guys are pretty similar that you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo had some moments and party's been good, but
you would never say those guys are as good as
the top quarterbacks. Now, Andy a Donovan who was a
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pretty consistent pro bowler and a really talented player. But
no one ever thought Donovan was like as good as
Peyton or Brady or I'm trying to think who would
have been playing in it early to that, like farv
you know, he wasn't on the level like you would
take those other quarterbacks over him. And then he got
Alex and Michael Vick, who had you know, these guys
were talented guys, and obviously Michael was really good the
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one year. But Patrick Mahomes like one of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time, and they just go to the
Super Bowl every single year. Right, But before that, like,
he went to the Super Bowl once and he lost
to Tom Brady, which really isn't that weird, right, Kyle
has gone to the Super Bowl twice with Purdy and
with Jimmy and he lost to Patrick Mahomes. When you
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say that out loud, it's not even that weird. Like
Andy Reid in two thousand and whatever four or five
lost to Belichick and Brady, not really that bad of
a loss. Kyle Shanna has gone in Super Bowl and
lost to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Howie Sirianni and
Jalen Hurts lost to him too. It happens. So I think,
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if Purdy is going to be above average and a
good player, but never like a superstar, your margin ferrer
is really small. The Chiefs margin ferrer is a little higher,
no different than even like the Ravens and the Bills
just to be in the playoffs every year. Their margin
ferrer's higher because their quarterbacks are superstars. And to me
a lot if Purdy can become a consistent pro bowler.
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Then they're going to be really good and it's just
going to come down to an individual game playing at
a high level. But if he's up and down, it
could be all over the place and could get weird.
Last fall, I created an Instagram account for myself and
to interact with the Mailbag anyway. Tried interacting several times,
but only got on the scene status once. Basically wanted
to make sure you don't think it's spam account. Since
(49:13):
they're no posts and I only follow one person, maybe
I just suck at the timing. In fairness to anyone
that's tried this and hasn't been answered that this is
not a buttoned up process in the sense of like
Instagram can be all over the place. Stuff gets deleted,
stuff gets misplaced. It's not like an Excel spreadsheet where
everything is like evenly organized, and it's very very straightforward.
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It's I like doing this because I think it's an
organic way. You guys follow me on Instagram. It's just
an easy way to interact. But it'd probably be easier
if we had an email account to mess with everything.
But I'm not going to change at this point in time. Anyway,
I do have a Fugazi Friday for you. Amazon streaming services,
(49:58):
we pay them a monthly fee, but yet every good
movie in their catalog costs three ninety nine to rent.
If I have to pay to rent the movie or
a show I want to watch, what on earth is
the monthly fee for? Clearly Amazon has the movie or
show in their catalog, but now I have to pay
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extra to see it. I think it's a total scam.
Obviously Amazon isn't going anywhere, and I'm gonna stop using it,
and I'm not gonna stop using it, but it still
annoys me. I can't speak to the business model. Uh.
I do wonder if a movie that they charge you, like,
let's say I want to watch good Fellas, let's just say,
(50:42):
or Dumb and Dumber, or just some hit movie from
my childhood. And sometimes when I look and all the
streaming services, if it's not on Netflix or any of
the free services, it'll be on place like Amazon, and
they'll charge me. And I do wonder in that situation
they have to pay whoever has the rights to them.
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It's not necessarily un nermal. It could be wrong. I
don't work in this industry. I'm not quite sure all
the logistics of it. But I would guess there's some
element of that because no one complains. Let's just say
Mission Impossible or whatever the hit movie is is out.
We know in a couple months that is gonna be
available on Amazon Prime to rent. I don't know about you,
but like when I rent a movie, I typically do
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it through Amazon Prime, not like in your scenario, but
just in the scenario that I want to watch Mission
Impossible in a month. I've done that with probably twenty
movies in the last year. Rented a movie, but I
don't feel as bad because it's like the equivalent of
going to the DVD store or the movie store back
in the day, because I know it's relatively new. I do.
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I've always wondered when they're charging me for a movie
it's like twenty twenty five, thirty forty years old. Is
there some sort of like they have to pay someone
and they don't want to eat those costs Because you
would say, typically Amazon historically has been good at like
eating a bunch of costs for us. But I don't know.
I don't view it as much as a fugazi because
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I think there's some business element of the deal. I
don't think they're just pocketing that three ninety nine. I
think there's a cost on them. Would be my would
be my educated guess of just a consumer. I did
probably in the last month. I don't want to say
talk shit. I just I thought Tom Hardy I didn't
(52:28):
quite get it. I have watched Mobland. I do think
it's pretty good. I've kind of enjoyed the show, and
he's pretty good. I mean, he's he's an enjoyable character.
Maybe it's like I don't know, in previous movies or
shows something about him, but I've I've really really liked him.
I actually think he is he makes the move the
(52:52):
show because Pierce Brosnan. I don't want to say he's
over the hill, but he's kind of got some like
it feels like a guy that's been a five time
All Star, that's forty years old, that's playing for a
you know, some awful team. It's like, God, this is
sad to see. That's how his vibes are kind of
given me. There are a lot of other good characters
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in the show does have its cheesy moments and unrealistic moments,
which sometimes if I go into an action movie or
a show I'm cool with. I can live with. Like
I've said all the time, I don't really do like
dungeons and dragons. That's why I didn't do what was
the hit show with the dragons. It wasn't really for me,
(53:33):
not because Game of Thrones, not because I watched it,
because I knew it was big culturally and I wanted
to kind of I got a little fomo. But those
type things don't do much for me. Now. I think
this stuff is more realistic, even though I know that
it's probably not quite happening like this. But you give
me Tom Hardy, who stole a show. He's really good,
(53:56):
so I take it back. All star performance by my
man and Pierce Brosnan, you know once. You know, for
us guys that grew up on Nintendo sixty four and
the James Bond video game GoldenEye, which I would say
non sports would be it'd have to be on the
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top ten list of video games of all time. I'd
have to do some serious thinking on that one. But
I think non like Arcade game, but like a it's
definitely one of the best. It might be the best
Nintendo sixty four that or like Mario Kart and Pierce
Brosnan was Jebbelo seven, James Bond. He was good in it.
This version of them, I don't know. So some guys
(54:37):
age well as actors and some guys don't as well,
and it may be part of it. He's trying to
cheazen it up. But I thought, it's like, I don't know,
not really buying it.
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The volume
The volume What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three
and our podcast. Hopefully you are doing well wherever you
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may be. Joined some heat, join some sun, probably hot.
I mean it's almost June. The days may go by
kind of slow, but the months, the year's time, it
feels like it's flying. So let's just let's try to enjoy,
enjoy life. And like Miles Garrett, who got an enormous
amount of money, I was told, we need you to
(00:45):
be a leader, He's like, guys, trade me. Took the
money and now he's in Japan hanging out with his girlfriend.
So we will discuss that. Caleb got to give a
young man some credit. I thought he did a really
good job the other day discussing his situation Daniel Anthony
Richardson versus Daniel Jones. I feel like that decision has
(01:06):
already been made. I really do. And I think Anthony
Richardson's time in Indianapolis TikTok. We had a boat incident
with some drugs pink powder from Stefan Diggs and Cardi B. Well,
Cardi B wasn't in the part with the drugs. Well,
she came in later with some dancing. But boats and
(01:28):
NFL players. Man, it made me think of some other
boat situations that I wanted to touch on. And then
of course we'll do a little mail bag as well
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Some people change, some people mature. But Miles Garrett didn't
run away from his feelings about the Cleveland Browns this offseason.
He went to the Super Bowl on a mission. I
want a trade, get me out of here in the
Cleveland Browns because of their owner and his desire to
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get to Shun Watson, put themselves into predicament worst contract
of all time. The guy now has multiple Achilles tares
over the last six months. Is a disaster, is an
anchor on the franchise. But they were given it out.
They have a thirty plus year old all time great
talent who wanted to leave, and they could have traded
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him for Ahule. And then it turns out they could
fleece the Jags and get multiple first round picks based
on a trade back from two to five. So if
they had played it right, which I would imagine the
coach in the GM would have been willing to do,
they could be here flush with picks. But you know
what they did instead, the owner, like with Deshaun Watson,
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because listen, money could make a lot of people shut up. Now, listen,
money changes a lot of our lives, right, especially for
more most people. It just cures our basic necessities. Pays
for room and board, pays for food, pays for transportation,
like it's pretty important to most of us. And then
you get really rich, a guy like Miles Garrett who's
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made one hundred and twenty three million dollars at the
end of last season at thirty years old. It's an
astronomical amount of money, and given that he's still in
the prime of his career, whether it was the Browns
or someone else, he would have another one hundred and
fifty million dollars one percent coming his way. And that
doesn't even count anything he does off the field. This
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guy has a ton of cash. Money is not going
to change how you feel at all when you're that rich.
So when Jimmy Haslm's like, I'm not trading you, which
is his prerogative, but it made no sense, and I
remember thinking, like, why don't you just trade him right now?
He's giving you the out, because if you just imprompt
you traded him and he didn't want to leave, there
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would be pushback because most fans would go this guy
is one of the more talented guys in the history
of this team and franchise and in the league. You
could argue he's the most talented or definitely top two
or three most talented guy in the prime of his
career in the league currently. But he said he wanted
out and they refused to do it, and Jimmy Haslam
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gave him one hundred and twenty five million dollars to
shut him up. Miles Garrett told him, I don't want
to be there. So when I see the story that
he's in Japan with his girlfriend at the Anime Awards,
and there was a story after they paid him that
internally they wanted him to step up, he'd been showing
up late. They think he could be a much better leader.
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He doesn't want to play for your franchise, and just
because you gave him a lot of money is not
going to change that feeling internally for the guy, Caleb Williams.
The story that broke what would last? I don't know.
Fifteen days from Wickersham's book about Caleb and his dad's
feelings toward the Chicago Bears is not new. The story
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kind of is. But those thoughts were from as we
Sit here, May twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, fifteen months ago.
That's from January, February March in twenty twenty four, were
basically in June twenty twenty five. I don't blame him
for having those thoughts, even if I don't agree with
all of them or think that some of them are
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kind of laughable. You're allowed to think whatever you want
to think, and when you factor in family situations and
his dad, who by all accounts as a successful businessman,
had some strong beliefs. No one, including Bears fans, push
back against his thoughts that like this is a place
where quarterbacks go to die. Are we sure eber Flus
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is good enough, they asked. We all knew that answer.
No he's not. He's objectively one of the worst coaches
we've ever seen. It was like a more buttoned up
Jim Tomsula. But Caleb Williams could have easily taken the
mic and listen. He didn't talk last week, his prerogative.
Don't really blame him, young guy. A lot of emotions.
Give me a week. Let me just take a deep breath.
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And you know what he did. He handled it like
a ten year vet, because you know how I would
have handled it. Like, listen, guys, I'm not going to
talk about things written in a book from fifteen months ago.
I'm excited Ben's here. We have a loaded team. I
can't wait for this fall. I'm fired up to be
a Bear. That's the end of the story. Instead, he
went on like a three and a half minute kind
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of diatribe, acknowledging that none of that stuff was fake,
that that was real, not that any of us didn't
believe it, but he embraced it, and I thought, you
know what, it would have been easy one for him
just to avoid it. Ask Rory McElroy, where have you been, buddy?
Nowhere to be seen? Won't acknowledge the press over something
kind of quote unquote controversial in golf. It's about a driver.
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So when you talk about a twenty one to twenty
two year old guy that has some you know, pretty
big headlines about some negativity about the franchise that he
plays for, coming from himself and his father, you know
is going to be a big deal. And he could
have just tried to avoid it. Instead, not only did
he take it head on, he acknowledged it was all true,
and not only does he not regret it like he's excited.
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And if I was a Bears fan, there wasn't much
to be excited for in twenty twenty four. I think
we all acknowledge it was an embarrassment of a season
led by Eberflus, who was fired the day after Thanksgiving.
Anytime you're fired after the day after Thanksgiving tells you
how bad things are going. But part of what makes
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great quarterbacks or not how fast they are or how
great their arm is, it's how they handle shit. It's
their character, it's their focus, it's the intangible stuff. The
best two quarterbacks of my adult life, not even close.
I don't even know who would be. The third guy
would be probably Rogers would be Manning and Brady Why
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because of what they could handle off the field. And
that's a huge part of this crew of guys right now. Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and Caleb clearly has
a lot of the physical attributes, but what separates guys
is the intangibles. And I was really impressed watching Caleb talk.
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I remember a couple of years ago when the forty
nine ers signed Sam Darnold. I went, I think Trey
Lance's career here in San Francisco is done. And you
couldn't say that because there was internet contingent of booger
eaders that thought Trey Lance was the next Lamar Jackson.
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It turns out he's a borderline average third string quarterback,
but he was traded before Week one going into his
third year. But in that offseason they had told you,
we don't even think he's a backup. Now they didn't
say that, they talked we believe, we think there's still
something there. But one thing as you get older you
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learn is words are kind of worthless. Judge people by
their actions, especially professional sports teams, because they will give
you the run around and the propaganda machine. These guys
are good at it. Coaches, players, general managers, most of
them now are pretty well versed in the ability of bullshit.
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But I saw that Shane Steiken said that we are
gonna split the reps evenly throughout OTAs, give or take
one hundred and seventy snaps each for Daniel Jones and
Anthony Richardson, and my first reaction went, I think Anthony
Richardson's career in Indy has a very good chance of
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ending because if I was a betting man sitting here
May twenty nine, twenty twenty five, I would bet on
Daniel Jones beating him out. And I'm not pro Daniel Jones,
don't think he's good either, But I've seen this song
and dance before, and I would imagine after last year
everything they experienced with Anthony Richardson and that moment when
he quit on the team in the middle of a
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game and clearly his teammates turned on him. I went,
I think this is probably over. And then they gave
Daniel Jones, who I thought was like a three or
four million dollar player, fourteen million dollars to come compete,
aka start for them. So I would guess as we
sit here right now, that Daniel Jones won't only he
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will win this starting job for the Colts come Week one,
that they won't keep Anthony Richson is the backup quarterback
because as we saw last year his value as a
backup quarterback. It's this guy's a project. And I have
no problem with what Chris ballor did. He took a
swing for the fences. But I say this all the
time because I am pro you know, going for broke
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high in the draft with guys like this, but sometimes
when you do that, you strike gold, you become a
multi millionaire. You get Patrick Mahomes, you know, you get
Jamar Chase, you get whoever a great player really high
in the draft, and those guys, you know, Jamar Chase
wasn't a project, but Mahomes was. It was risky and
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sometimes when you go for broke, you do go broke.
And that's what it feels like the Anthony Richson situation
is headed toward. There was a boat incident with Stefan Diggs, Cardi,
b and some I think, as the kids say it, thoughts, tots, influencers, strippers, hookers,
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a lot of a lot of chicks on a boat
that included some drugs. Now, I'm not the moral police here.
I don't care what you do for fun personally, not
a huge upper guy. I'm not a drug guy in general.
I don't know. I like going to bed much more
of like a day hangout party guy, maybe some cocktails
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by a pool, lake golf course than I am trying
to stay up all night. So can't totally relate to that,
but understand it lived long enough in this world to
know some people like that stuff. So I had also
not naive enough to think that there are people in
the NFL, maybe guys that own the team, that don't
dabble in some booger sugar. I did not know what
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a pink powder was when step On Digs handed it.
We've seen a lot of different people on the internet
kind of break it down to the little mixture of
a party cocktail for your nostrils. Now, I think sometimes
when you get on a boat as an NFL player,
things have not gone well historically, And on a serious note,
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I've talked a lot about you know how difficult it is,
and I've used Ben Johnson as an example because he
was an elite coordinator. I mean, he's the best coordinator
in the league the last couple of years. But when
something like this happened, if it did happen with the Lions,
it was on the general manager and Dan Campbell to
handle it. It's not his problem. When Jamison Williams had
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an issue with a gun and pulled over with a brother,
that's Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes problem. It's not Ben
Johnson's problem. So when this happens for Mike Vrabel, it's
like he's been head coach in the NFL for a
long time. There is no chance that he hasn't had
drug issues with players before. He knows how to handle it.
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Whether he handles it correctly or not, time will tell.
You could argue why you even signed him in the
first place, but he has experience with this exact situation.
So I think when you look at this boat situation
for the Patriots, it's kind of funny, but also, like
you know, when you get a player like this who's
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dating Cardi B. If I told you right now that
Cardi B was just dating some other entertainer, actor, rapper
or whatever and was on a boat with a ton
of other stripper looking chicks and a dude and they
were just partying all day, would you imagine drugs would
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be involved. I think the answer would be yes. So really,
just because it's Digs and not someone that fits some
other line of work, it's pretty jarring to see if
you are Mike Rable and the Patriots brass and if
your digs in his age and it's like, bro, let's
keep our head on a swivel here for the cameras.
But we have some recent memory or some recent events,
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obviously the Odell Beckham situation, because if you're on a
boat doing stupid shit in the middle of May or
late many who really cares one he has a torney
acl he couldn't even practice if he wanted to. He's
not even gonna be ready. Week one, Odell Beckham and
crew went to a boat I had forgotten the exact date.
It's like, did they have a bye week? I'm like, no,
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that was Tony Romo when he went with Jason Witten
to cam Kun, which honestly isn't even that crazy. He's
definitely not the first and won't be the last player
to go hang out for a couple days as the
number one seed during the bye Weird. Look, I guess
if you're the starting quarterback who's never had much success
in the playoffs, you're dating someone really famous, as he
was Jessica Simpson, but Odo Beckham because the season used
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to end right around New Year's because it wasn't seventeen games,
it was only sixteen, so either the thirty first, the first,
the thirtieth, right around there. So the New York Giants
flew down to Miami on Monday of a playoff week,
and they proceeded I'm pretty sure to get blown out,
like forty to ten. They got destroyed and he got
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destroyed as well. But you can even argue, is that
that crazy? It's like these guys all five private I
don't know how long the private jet is from New
York to Miami, a couple hours, two three, three and
a half, two whatever, but that not that wild. One
event that gets lost in translation that has never talked
about anymore is the love Boat. And sometimes I just
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miss pre social media events because I feel like they
were actually way crazier than anything that could happen now
because of a camera. Like if I was to defend
Stephan Diggs, you would have to be pretty naive to
think he's the only guy in the NFL in the
off season that is dabbling in some drugs, you know,
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anti drugs here. But I'm also not dumb enough to
think that some people are having a good time with
some things they probably shouldn't be and that aren't the
healthiest thing for them and can result in problems. But
helt young people, especially with money, tends to be a
rich guy drug. That's what cocaine is. And the love
boat with the Minnesota Vikings in two thousand and five
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is something we just do not talk about enough because
the franchise it was right post Randy Moss, Dante Culpepper
was very famous quarterback Fred Smoot pretty sure it was
one of the better corners in the league. Bryant McKinney
was a star left tackle, and they had just a
solid team and they chartered a boat with other people,
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so it was a bunch of players, a bunch of hoes,
and just some random people. And I had to google
the event because they got in big trouble and I
was like, what exactly happened on the love boat? And
then I read this article that said eye witnessed reports
starting offensive Lineman Bryant McKinney is charged with giving and
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receiving He's a giver oral sex from an unidentified woman.
Fred Smoot, who is believed to have chartered the boat
with another player, was charged with using a sex toy
on not one, but two unclothed women. The witnesses say
all the acts happened in view of the other passengers.
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These cats were just having a massive orgy pre I
mean two thousand and five. I'm not even sure that
we had cameras on cell phones. This thing was like
a vivid shoot in the Hollywood Hills, just out in
the lake in Minnesota. All these guys got in big trouble.
This also was during the season. So while the Stefan
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a boat playoff game, then get your ass kicked and
have an orgy mid season on a boat actually is
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Before we get out of here, a couple things. Fugazi Friday,
I was thinking about this. Don't have a great fugazi,
but this incident happened last night. You know when you're
when you're a guy and you get married, and for
those of you with kids, it's like when you're growing
up and your dad's like the protector. Like, if something
happens in the home, you know, have that shotgun ready.
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We are protecting this home. Someone breaks in, hit him
with a fucking Louisville slugger to the dome. You're protecting
your family. You just kind of hopefully that never happens,
but if it does, you just gotta be ready. So
whether you're like Chuck Lydell or McGregor, or you're just
some random little dude, it's like you just gotta do
what you gotta do for protection. But then there are
just other things that come along where you're like, listen,
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I'm not Steve Irwin. What do I do? Just Like
a couple of weeks ago, a bird got into our
house and this bird is freaking out. It's hitting windows,
it's cracking, Maria's freaking out, the dog's doing three sixties.
It's like, I have no clue. You're trying to help
the bird with a broom. You're afraid the bird's gonna
come after you. I just don't know what to do
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in these situations. There is no handbook on how to
handle this. And then last night it's probably like I
don't know. Eleven thirty, twelve o'clock, I'm out like a light.
I have already popped a couple of melowtonins deep sleep.
All of a sudden, I heard a scream from the
from the bathroom, and I was like, is there a
mountain lion in our house? What just happened? And so
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I come, She's like, there's a scorpion. We live in Arizona, right,
I got bobcats, I got pigs, I got coyotes. You
just ideally no mountain lions, but they're not far away.
You got animals and creatures. I've never seen a scorpion
since I've lived in Arizona. So I go, I'm expecting
to see a big ass one. I mean, just like,
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you know, like a Trantola level scorpion. Get there. Things small,
it's like an inch and a half, but it's moving.
It's like saquon in the open field. I'm like, can
you you know, like a mosquito or a bug? You
just squash like I don't feel comfortable squashing with my hand.
What if it stings me? And the little ones? Again,
I'm not exactly dialed in with all my venomous creatures,
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but I know, like little ones, can they control their
venom it actually could be worse. I'm like, I don't
want to get stung by this thing. But it's moving
and shaking, so you like run to the other room.
You get like the swifter so you can use the
end to cry to poke it, yet it's moving. She's
freaking out. And then you finally kill a scorpion. But
you realize these things that come along in life that
you're just taught, like the guy can handle it, and
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you're like, what am I supposed How am I supposed
to get this fucking three birds that have flown into
my home out of this place? Like do you call someone?
It's one thing like you get rattlesnakes. My neighbor got
a rattlesnake in the backyard. You can like call the
uh you know, kind of the hoa people. They'll send
someone right over and take it out, like pretty basic protocol.
And then there are things like you're just on a
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bike ride and all of a sudden you take a
turn and a bobcast right in front of you. You're like,
is this thing gonna bite my leg? Is it actually
scared of me? I don't know, and you just kind
of like got to figure it out on your own.
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have different guys. Miles Garrett's in Japan, you got Digs
out on a boat with you know, a little who
knows what you got Some of the veteran guys stand.
But the majority of players for every team are together.
There is a very laid back time of year. You're
doing a lot of mental exercises in the classroom, in
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the meeting room, walk throughs, and depending on how long
and how hot it is, you're probably on the field
truly practicing for like an hour and a half, maybe
an hour and forty five minutes, and on some days
it might be closer in an hour. The key to
this time of year is bonding and getting to know
each other. You have every single year in the NFL,
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on average, it's like twenty eight to thirty five percent turnover,
so you have a lot of new players. Clearly, you
have rookies, you have undrafted free agents, you have free
agent signings. You have guys that maybe were not around
last year because of major injuries sustained in the off
season or in training camp. So you're trying to integrate
all these people a lot of programs if they're out
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of entirely. New staff have new coaches. It's on the
coaching staff, specifically the head coach and the GM to
just figure out ways to bond and get to know
each other. Cause in a couple of weeks you'll break
for summer. You'll be gone for forty days then all
of a sudden, you'll just report to training camp and
about fifteen hours a day you will grind on football,
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and the better you get to know people. It's why
you know historically this time of year, if you know
you live in a place and you have an NHL
team that's making and run in the playoff, buy a
suite and as many guys that want to go go
hang out, drink beers. Position coaches have guys to their house,
have a barbecue and just get to know each other,
hang out with each other, because I do think it's
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a tried and true formula. When you know respect and
honestly like the other person you're working with, you are
willing to work harder. And that's no different in football
or any of the businesses we're in. And I think
it's harder now than ever, especially with all these rookies
and young guys in the NFL that have been bouncing
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around college programs all over the place, so their relationships
with others are different historically than the older guys in
the league. That most guys that have been the league
five plus years when they went to Texas, when they
went to Alabama, when they went to Washington, when they
went to Florida State. Whether it went well or not,
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early on, they stayed because that's what happened in the
history of college football. Now, see ya, you're not paying
me enough, I'm out. And that creates a different type atmosphere.
And I think in the NFL, the atmosphere of like, ideally,
you're gonna be on this team for a while. Now
we're gonna have to pay you for it, but and
extend your contract one day. But we want you here
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for a while, and we need to get to know you,
and we need to spend time together. And this is
a great time when not much is going on, where
you can have people over to your house, set up
a barbecue, set up events where everyone gets to hang out,
maybe some booze involved, and just get to know each other.
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Let's do a little thing we like to call the mailbag.
We did a big, big mail bag yesterday, still got
a million questions, so I appreciate everyone that interacts with this.
We will start with Harris just my Instagram. You guys
know the drill. Let's say you're a GM. Would you
rather be in a position where the talent on the
team is great and the quarterback is not up to
the standards of winning a championship like Dallas, Pittsburgh or Miami.
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Would you rather be in a position where the quarterback
is great but the talent itself is some par For example,
like the Chargers. Some could say the Bears. I think
you could throw the Bengals in there as well. I
would say you would. It's like the NBA version. Would
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you rather just have the star and then figure it
out or would you have rather have like a really
deep team but no star. I think you always choose
the star. Would I rather have Burrow or Herbert? Yeah?
Over the Cowboys. I wouldn't compare the Cowboys to the Steelers.
I mean, they won twelve games three straight years and
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Dak just kind of shit the bed. I mean, they
did win one playoff game of the three, but like
he's Deck, he's still a top twelve ish quarterback. And
Steelers don't have anybody I mean that doesn't exist. They
do not have it. We think Aaron Rodgers. I just
assume that. But the Dolphins to me are the worst
spot because clearly their guy is like more than functional.
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You can just win with him, but he gets injured
and he's not good enough to beat anyone actually good.
So I would definitely choose the Chargers. Definitely choose the Bengals.
I mean, look at the Chargers. They get Jim Harbaugh.
Last year, they win eleven. This year it feels like
they're gonna win double digit b back in the playoffs.
So I think you would always choose the quarterback first
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because you could have a really good team and just
like struggle to find a quarterback. Do you think the
BS holding on Bradbury in Super Bowl fifty seven is
the difference being the Chiefs dynasty instead of the Eagles.
As a diehard Birds fan, that still bothers me. Well,
they've won, they won three of five and now you've won.
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So they would only have two and you would have two.
It would have been a pretty big moment. I mean,
Howie would have had three Super Bowls, Sirianni would have
had two. Jalen Hurts would have had two. Been a
pretty big sliding doors moment in the NFL. I typically
hate tiki tac calls in general. I do believe that
(32:36):
past interference is the one that, like, I mean, most
of these plays. I mean obviously the famous one in
the Saints Rams game where the dude got taken out,
but I yeah, I don't know. I'd have to re
see the play. I mean, you'd know better than me.
That feels like ten years ago, something you said sparked
(32:59):
a question. With the media rights evolving and the shift
towards streaming, supposed Amazon offers the Big Ten half a
billion for broadcasting rights and outbids a traditional partner like Fox.
What is to stop Fox from going directly to a
powerhouse program like Michigan or Ohio State and saying if
(33:19):
you go independent, will pay you eighty million each. Instead
of schools forming super conferences, could we see more teams
following a model like Notre Dame. Well, Notre Dame clearly,
I mean part of their pushback why they wouldn't join
the Big Ten is they're making so much money off
NBC and they're a great partner because they're games rate
on NBC, whether they're playing Navy Army or NIU or
(33:42):
whether they're playing A and M or SC like they
do big, big numbers for NBC. I think one of
the worst mistakes I saw, You know, Fox gets excellent
Big Ten game mainly because they just if Michigan's good
or Ohio State's good, they just show all their games
and then when Penn State plays Michigan, when Penn State
plays Ohio State, so they just they just ride those
(34:04):
two brands where I saw the the CBS that the
game at You know, for me, it was always twelve
thirty kickoff. But if you live on the eastern seaboard,
three point thirty that Alabama LSU, Florida, Georgia the SEC game. Well,
ESPN stole the SEC from them. And now some of
the games is like Purdue USC. I think it was
(34:27):
like Ohio State, San Jose State. I mean some of
the games is like this is what you guys are showing.
I saw someone tweet like, this is why Gary Danielson's quitting.
I do think the thing with college football is you
bring up a good point. Michigan Ohio State are really
like NFL teams. If Michigan is good, Ohio State has
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been continuously good. They do huge, huge television numbers, I
mean massive. A Michigan Penn State game will do a
bigger number than any of the in fair. Oklahoma City
is a tiny market, but I saw that the Oklahoma
City Minnesota series was not highly rated, which makes sense.
I mean if it was Lakers Mavericks or Lakers Warriors,
(35:11):
I mean to triple the number. But Ohio State is
just a really really valuable property. I do think they're
locked in for a while, and Fox is a pretty
good partner for the Big Ten. It's been very lucrative.
I mean for everybody involved. The Big Ten's making a
ton of money. Fox is doing huge ratings. But I
would say, big picture, everything's on the table. I don't
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pretend to be like some genius when it comes to
never say never. If Fox got asked out in your
hypothetical world, I think you would be naive to think
that they wouldn't if they were desperate to try to
do something like that and go after Ohio State. I
even think the number would be bigger. I would imagine
if you asked, like the Murdoch family and the people
(35:56):
running the business of Fox, Ohio State is probably worth
two hundred million dollars like that, they would have no
problem just doing a direct deal giving them two hundred
million dollars a year. Maybe that number is crazy, definitely
well over one hundred. You said eighty. I think it
dwarfs that number minimum double it. I love the pod,
(36:17):
Give me a wig. The question comes from a Seahawks
fan living in enemy territory. I live in northern California,
Heart of forty nine or Nation I'm curious to know
your overall opinion on the Seahawks moving on from Pete
and hiring a younger Mike McDonald and by not choosing
to follow the rest of the league by hiring a
(36:37):
young offensive guru and instead sticking to their roots hiring
a defensive guru. I have mixed feelings myself, intend to
lean heavier on an offensive coach, but again as a
Seahawks fan, after seeing arguably one of the best, if
not the best defense in the NFL during our Super
Bowl run, what they did did did to quote unquote
(36:59):
the best offense in the game. Thing he's talking to
Denver and just knowing in the division we have Sean McVay,
is the right move? You are like, you're if you're
drafting one overall and you need a quarterback and there
are no quarterbacks in the draft, what are you supposed
to do? Right? The Titans, would they have rather had
(37:21):
Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels than cam Ward? Sure, but
cam Ward was in the draft that they were in
and those two guys were not. Would they rather have
Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck? My point is is that
you if you fire your coach. The candidates are the candidates, right,
(37:43):
Like would John Schneider rather higher Kyle Shanahan or Sean
McVay than Mike McDonald. Of course he would because there's
way less risk. It's like, why already know those guys
can be head coaches and they coach offense, which is
the most important thing to do. But those guys are available,
Kevin O'Connell, Lafloor, all these guys had jobs, and Ben
(38:04):
Johnson last year wouldn't leave. So Mike McDonald, if he
had been an offensive coordinator what he did in Baltimore,
he would have been discussed like Ben Johnson was this year,
and he was. But it's just a little different because
of the defensive guy. So I think listen anytime that
you can get he was called boy genius in Baltimore.
(38:27):
I mean, the guy is really really impressed. Whenever I
watched Mike McDonald talk, he actually conducts himself in front
of a microphone closer to an offensive personality. He's not
like screaming f bombs. He's at your typical defensive coach.
So I like the higher I think he's pretty high
(38:49):
level guy. I thought he did a good job last year.
I guess the only thing is, you know, eventually, if
they draft a quarterback and I'm sure they're gonna try
over the next couple of years, or if Sam Darnold
they invest a decent amount of money in him. You know, Mike,
like Pete, can coach personality, can coach like offensive philosophy
(39:14):
and big picture stuff, but like on a daily basis,
when it comes to footwork, when it comes to decision making,
when it comes to the execution of the offense, he's
not really gonna have anything to do with that. And
that's the overall pushback of Like at the end of
the day, when you give brock Purty a lot of
money or Matt Stafford a lot of money, or Jordan
Love a lot of money, your head coach is with
(39:37):
that guy every single day, So sink or swim, he's
right next to him in the pool. Or Mike, like
his baby really is Witherspoon and the defense, in the
pass rush and the coverage and the tackling, that's what
he does well, that's his expertise. So in a perfect world,
if I get them both Ben Johnson and Mike McDonald,
(40:00):
I think most people, including yourself, would just take Ben Johnson,
but they didn't really have that option. And I think
when you look at the coaches that were hired last year,
I think Mike was a no brainer higher for them,
and a really really good one. Love the show writing
In a non football question. I have lived in the
Upper Midwest my entire life. When I tell people I'm
(40:21):
from Minnesota, they always ask what's the weather, especially if
they are from the south or western part of the country.
I assume they think it's freezing most of the time,
but it's really not. Meanwhile, I just looked at the
temperature in Scottsdale, Arizona, and it's already ninety seven degrees
at one o'clock in the afternoon in late May. That
(40:43):
sounds awful to me, especially since it's going to be
even hotter in July and August that, my friend, it
will be in the winter. Where I live, I can
always put on an extra layer or two and be
fine to go outside. But you can only take off
so many clothes when it's one hundred and ten degrees.
How are you not stuck inside during those unbearable summer months?
(41:06):
And why is the weather in Arizona considered to be
better than the weather in Minnesota. I think if you
just pulled, most people, whether you're from Minnesota, whether you're
from New Mexico, Florida, Philly, whatever, most human beings do
not like the cold. And having lived here, you know,
(41:27):
I lived in Philly for a couple of years, which
was by far the coldest place I'd ever lived for
a long period of time. But living in Arizona, we
get a lot of Midwest transplants, so I get to
meet and through golf, I meet a ton of Bears fans.
I've met a ton of Vikings fans, chiefs, fans like that.
That's stretch of the country. They come here, and I
would say to a man, and when you say put
(41:49):
on an extra layer one hundred and ten degrees hot,
no one would argue that. And honestly, we had stretches
last year when it was one hundred and fifteen degrees.
Where I grew up in Sacramento, California. I grew up
in Davis, but it's separated by causeway. It got one
hundred and five to one hundred and eight degrees. I
lived in Fresno, it was one hundred and ten degrees.
Like it gets really hot in places in California. Even
(42:11):
when I lived in Walnut Creek, which is a suburb
of the Bay Area, it definitely got high nineties. Maybe
one hundred and one oh one like it. That's hot's hot?
Cold sucks. I would take the hot now. One p
fifteen is pretty unbearable, and like you said, you spend
a lot of time inside. Guess what they have air conditioning?
I do think when it's zero degrees or again, I've
(42:34):
never lived in the Midwest really. I stayed in Kansas
City for a little bit, but I left in early December.
You know, obviously Chicago, where you are in Minnesota, the
Dakota's place that are freezing Michigan. I would think if
we just polled most people, cold sucks, you can do.
I can play golf in one twelve. You ain't doing
(42:55):
dick in minus ten degrees. It's say to drive when
it's hot. Is it safe to drive in a sleet storm?
So I could just speak for myself. I hate the cold,
and maybe you hate the heat. And some people just
are more comfortable in their environment. And I'm very comfortable,
(43:18):
as comfortable as you can be. Like you said, one
hundred and fifteen degrees, maybe don't go outside right, And
you know it's why the smaller percentage of people around
here that are rich, they just leave. It's like, where
are you going leaving for the summer. It's like you
have forty eight years old? Did you have a job?
But you hear that a lot depending on what career
youre running with. And then some of us, you're just
stuck here and you can try to play golf, maybe
(43:40):
go to the gym. I don't know. You just do
normal stuff. But school's never been canceled because it's one
hundred and twelve degrees. When I talk to people that
are from your area, like they cancel stuff when it's
too cold too. I don't know, step outside your house
because it's never too hot to actually step outside. You're
just gonna be warm. And here's the other thing I
would say about where I live. And I've never lived
(44:03):
in the South, but I know we have people that
listen to the show from wherever. Florida, Texas, obviously, Mississippi, Alabama,
South Carolina. It's not humid here now. When it's really hot,
it feels thick, but it's not. There is no humidity,
like even when I was in New Orleans for the
Super Bowl. You're in early February. You could feel it
(44:25):
outside like the air was thick. It's not like that here.
So I'm not defending. If you don't like heat, you
don't like heat. I hate cold. I despise the cold.
I mean, I get cold anything under sixty degrees. So
I just think that you get you also, you get
used to your surroundings. You know. I've grown up the
(44:46):
majority of my life in warmer weather, clients with climates.
That's why I always like speak to these quarterbacks. It's
much easier. Shit. I'll never forget when I got hired
with the Eagle, I owned one suit. I owned one suit.
My dad had bought it for me, I think when
I graduated college, and I never even needed it when
(45:09):
I went to get a job at Frozene State. But
I remember coming back and he took me this place
at Sacramento. I'd never been to a tailor really, and
you got me just like an Italian suit. You know. Again,
it was probably I don't know, five hundred bucks, which
again was extremely nice and it was cool. I owned
this suit, but I don't think I ever wore it
until I got hired in Philadelphia, and I remember maybe
(45:34):
bought it for me. When I got the Eagles job.
I forget, but I remember. You wear a suit on game.
It's cool, you're like official, you're in the front office.
I'm working for the Eagles. You wear a suit. Problem is,
you know, in training camp or a preseason game, it's
I mean, it's unbearably hot, so you're just soaked. Now,
I guess you could you didn't have to wear suit.
(45:55):
You just wear a button up shirt. But as the
season goes on, you put on a suit. I remember
showing up to our first first cold game. I just
wore the suit and everyone else had like that extra
long ass thick coat. I'm like what, I was outside
for maybe five minutes and I couldn't feel my body.
And this is just walking from the car to the
field and standing there for five minutes. And I had
(46:17):
to go over to the heater and stood by the heater,
which you gotta be careful you get you stay there
too long, it'll like it'll burn a hole in your
in your pants. But it's just we're all wired differently.
Some of us like what we like, right, I think
it's no different, Like we all got different taste buds.
We all got different, you know, sexual preferences, we all like.
(46:38):
Our climate's a little different though most people in my
life I think prefer warmer overcolder. Quick question, do you
see Kyle getting the two thousands? Andy Reid treatment always
a bridesmaid on crazy talented team until he moves onto
a really solidified to really solidify his craft, Andy to
(47:00):
the Chiefs, Maybe Kyle to the question. I hate to
admit that being Aniner fan, but it is what it is.
I think both guys are pretty similar that you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo had some moments and party's been good, but
you would never say those guys are as good as
the top quarterbacks. Now, Andy a Donovan who was a
(47:21):
pretty consistent pro bowler and a really talented player. But
no one ever thought Donovan was like as good as
Peyton or Brady or I'm trying to think who would
have been playing in it early to that, like farv
you know, he wasn't on the level like you would
take those other quarterbacks over him. And then he got
Alex and Michael Vick, who had you know, these guys
were talented guys, and obviously Michael was really good the
(47:44):
one year. But Patrick Mahomes like one of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time, and they just go to the
Super Bowl every single year. Right, But before that, like,
he went to the Super Bowl once and he lost
to Tom Brady, which really isn't that weird, right, Kyle
has gone to the Super Bowl twice with Purdy and
with Jimmy and he lost to Patrick Mahomes. When you
(48:05):
say that out loud, it's not even that weird. Like
Andy Reid in two thousand and whatever four or five
lost to Belichick and Brady, not really that bad of
a loss. Kyle Shanna has gone in Super Bowl and
lost to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Howie Sirianni and
Jalen Hurts lost to him too. It happens. So I think,
(48:27):
if Purdy is going to be above average and a
good player, but never like a superstar, your margin ferrer
is really small. The Chiefs margin ferrer is a little higher,
no different than even like the Ravens and the Bills
just to be in the playoffs every year. Their margin
ferrer's higher because their quarterbacks are superstars. And to me
a lot if Purdy can become a consistent pro bowler.
(48:50):
Then they're going to be really good and it's just
going to come down to an individual game playing at
a high level. But if he's up and down, it
could be all over the place and could get weird.
Last fall, I created an Instagram account for myself and
to interact with the Mailbag anyway. Tried interacting several times,
but only got on the scene status once. Basically wanted
to make sure you don't think it's spam account. Since
(49:13):
they're no posts and I only follow one person, maybe
I just suck at the timing. In fairness to anyone
that's tried this and hasn't been answered that this is
not a buttoned up process in the sense of like
Instagram can be all over the place. Stuff gets deleted,
stuff gets misplaced. It's not like an Excel spreadsheet where
everything is like evenly organized, and it's very very straightforward.
(49:38):
It's I like doing this because I think it's an
organic way. You guys follow me on Instagram. It's just
an easy way to interact. But it'd probably be easier
if we had an email account to mess with everything.
But I'm not going to change at this point in time. Anyway,
I do have a Fugazi Friday for you. Amazon streaming services,
(49:58):
we pay them a monthly fee, but yet every good
movie in their catalog costs three ninety nine to rent.
If I have to pay to rent the movie or
a show I want to watch, what on earth is
the monthly fee for? Clearly Amazon has the movie or
show in their catalog, but now I have to pay
(50:20):
extra to see it. I think it's a total scam.
Obviously Amazon isn't going anywhere, and I'm gonna stop using it,
and I'm not gonna stop using it, but it still
annoys me. I can't speak to the business model. Uh.
I do wonder if a movie that they charge you, like,
let's say I want to watch good Fellas, let's just say,
(50:42):
or Dumb and Dumber, or just some hit movie from
my childhood. And sometimes when I look and all the
streaming services, if it's not on Netflix or any of
the free services, it'll be on place like Amazon, and
they'll charge me. And I do wonder in that situation
they have to pay whoever has the rights to them.
(51:02):
It's not necessarily un nermal. It could be wrong. I
don't work in this industry. I'm not quite sure all
the logistics of it. But I would guess there's some
element of that because no one complains. Let's just say
Mission Impossible or whatever the hit movie is is out.
We know in a couple months that is gonna be
available on Amazon Prime to rent. I don't know about you,
but like when I rent a movie, I typically do
(51:24):
it through Amazon Prime, not like in your scenario, but
just in the scenario that I want to watch Mission
Impossible in a month. I've done that with probably twenty
movies in the last year. Rented a movie, but I
don't feel as bad because it's like the equivalent of
going to the DVD store or the movie store back
in the day, because I know it's relatively new. I do.
(51:44):
I've always wondered when they're charging me for a movie
it's like twenty twenty five, thirty forty years old. Is
there some sort of like they have to pay someone
and they don't want to eat those costs Because you
would say, typically Amazon historically has been good at like
eating a bunch of costs for us. But I don't know.
I don't view it as much as a fugazi because
(52:07):
I think there's some business element of the deal. I
don't think they're just pocketing that three ninety nine. I
think there's a cost on them. Would be my would
be my educated guess of just a consumer. I did
probably in the last month. I don't want to say
talk shit. I just I thought Tom Hardy I didn't
(52:28):
quite get it. I have watched Mobland. I do think
it's pretty good. I've kind of enjoyed the show, and
he's pretty good. I mean, he's he's an enjoyable character.
Maybe it's like I don't know, in previous movies or
shows something about him, but I've I've really really liked him.
I actually think he is he makes the move the
(52:52):
show because Pierce Brosnan. I don't want to say he's
over the hill, but he's kind of got some like
it feels like a guy that's been a five time
All Star, that's forty years old, that's playing for a
you know, some awful team. It's like, God, this is
sad to see. That's how his vibes are kind of
given me. There are a lot of other good characters
(53:13):
in the show does have its cheesy moments and unrealistic moments,
which sometimes if I go into an action movie or
a show I'm cool with. I can live with. Like
I've said all the time, I don't really do like
dungeons and dragons. That's why I didn't do what was
the hit show with the dragons. It wasn't really for me,
(53:33):
not because Game of Thrones, not because I watched it,
because I knew it was big culturally and I wanted
to kind of I got a little fomo. But those
type things don't do much for me. Now. I think
this stuff is more realistic, even though I know that
it's probably not quite happening like this. But you give
me Tom Hardy, who stole a show. He's really good,
(53:56):
so I take it back. All star performance by my
man and Pierce Brosnan, you know once. You know, for
us guys that grew up on Nintendo sixty four and
the James Bond video game GoldenEye, which I would say
non sports would be it'd have to be on the
(54:16):
top ten list of video games of all time. I'd
have to do some serious thinking on that one. But
I think non like Arcade game, but like a it's
definitely one of the best. It might be the best
Nintendo sixty four that or like Mario Kart and Pierce
Brosnan was Jebbelo seven, James Bond. He was good in it.
This version of them, I don't know. So some guys
(54:37):
age well as actors and some guys don't as well,
and it may be part of it. He's trying to
cheazen it up. But I thought, it's like, I don't know,
not really buying it.
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