July 13, 2025 • 42 mins
John opens up the weekend Middlekauff Mailbag to answer your questions. Should the Pittsburgh Steelers trade star edge rusher T.J. Watt? Is LA Chargers star Khalil Mack a first ballot Hall of Famer? Is there pressure on Buffalo Bills head coach Sean McDermott to win a Super Bowl in Josh Allen's prime? How will Chicago Bears head coach Ben Johnson shape his running back room?
01:14 - Minkah Fitzpatrick & T.J. Watt trade value
08:33 - Is Khalil Mack a first ballot of Hall of Famer?
09:52 - Dillion Gabriel
12:07 - Do NFL owners and star players engage in non- NFL business together?
14:27 - Scouting & Difference in RB positions
17:34 - Should there be a limit on how long you can brag about a Super Bowl win?
20:15 - Chicago Bears RB room
22:48 - Is Julian Edelman a Hall of Famer?
26:56 - Buffalo Bills HC Sean McDermott
28:08 - Odds for star QBs to ever win a Super Bowl?
30:23 - NFL salary cap
33:04 - NFL Nepotism
36:27 - What John would buy instead of a yacht
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
I just slammed a turkey sandwich and I said, you
(00:21):
know what, it's a weekend mailbag. We obviously haven't done
as many podcasts over the last couple of weeks. I'm
feeling antsy my dms at John Middlecoff. That is how
you get in on the mailbag. You just DM my Instagram.
It's just my name. Two f's fire in those dms.
Get your questions answered here on the show. And that's
(00:43):
what we're gonna do. We're gonna not gonna go too
crazy long, but I'll just bang out maybe tennis questions
here and like I said, you guys know the drill
firing those dms questions answered here on the show. Middle
of summer. Hopefully you guys are enjoying it, staying semi cool.
It's extremely hot where I'm at, but hopefully you're in
a pool or a lake somewhere and enjoy life. Start
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with TJ, big Steeler fan. I go to at least
three Steeler games a year. I like that dedication. It
was time for Minka to go, and I didn't think
they'd actually do it. There was a lot of times
big plays were given up and everyone is just standing
looking at him or a mistackle from him, and he's
leading the pack chasing Derek Henry down the sideline. I
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trust Tomlin. If he's selling, he knows more than we do.
I would tend to agree they've done a pretty good
job selling on players. I would say that the Steelers
don't typically sell on a guy and have that guy
at the highest level come back and bite them in
the ass. They have a pretty good track record, especially
recently Antonio Brown. Again, I'm not comparing Minka to Antonio Brown,
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you know, personality wise, Antonio Brown was a better player.
Weird situation, but even recently, again, these guys weren't as
good as Minca, but Chase Claypool, George Pickens, they got
they got a pretty good idea. And listen, you if
you watch every single snap of the Steelers, you know
him better than me. A lot of you guys push
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back when I reacted to the trade. You know, I
don't break down safety film so in, especially with a
player like that. I immediately just text a couple buddies
who are dialed in in the league, and I say,
what do you think they said? Listen, Minka is still
a really, really good player, but the safety position is complicated.
It's kind of like the new running back. He's going
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to need a new contract. Are you going to pay
him again? He's not that old, so he's gonna want
a lot of money. It's clearly a position I would
call safety the new running back. You could argue it's
been a lot like the running back over the last
tenish years. It's a it's not valued like it will.
I mean, when I was a kid, star safeties were everywhere.
Hell I mean honestly up until the two thousands. The
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game's changed a little bit. Obviously, corner which has always
been valued, but is in like a different stratosphere than safety.
Here's TJ's question. With that being said, question, what do
you think the actual trade value for TJ? Watts? I'm
thinking a late first round pick and a player I
know the Eagles are interested. What do you think we
could get? It's a great question. Well, if you were
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to trade them, which I think at this point would
be shocking given that they're all in with the Rogers
situation trading for DK, but you can never say never.
It's the NFL. I don't know what the Eagles would
have to give you back, like you said, a player,
Like who's the player, right, Because if you're gonna trade
up your best pass rusher, you're gonna want one of
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their defensive linemen. They're not giving you Jalen Carter, will
they give you Jordan Davis. I mean, that's not an
apple for apple trade. So if they gave you a
first round or Jordan Davis, who needs to get paid
here in a year, and again, paid is all relative.
I think sometimes we throw that out. This guy needs
to get paid. Well, yeah, you know, there's a big
difference between just because his contracts ending, he needs a
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new contract, like what is the number? And again I'm
just using this as an example. You know, I think
if you were going to trade TJ. We talked about
this with Miles Garrett and Max Crosby, when you do
it before the draft, there's a lot of value there,
right and for a team even if you're you know,
if you would have trade Miles Garrett or Max Crosby,
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both those teams would big time be waving We're waving
the white flag this upcoming year. I remember when Khalil
Mack was traded, it was after the draft. Right before
the season and they got a couple first round picks.
To me, the Steelers, what, I don't think his value
is two first round picks given that he's thirty years old.
But like, the Steelers would want a player back, so
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I'm with you, would they get, you know, if the
Eagles were willing a first round pick and a player again,
I think if you're the Steelers, you would you would
want it to be a defensive lineman. Now I'm not
comparing Brandon Auke to TJ Watt, but the forty nine
Ers chose not to trade Brandon Ayuk last year before
the draft when they had good offers on the table,
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and then they waited and then the contract negotiation got
weird and they're like, okay, we'll trade you. But the
big thing with them to trade him was like, we
need a wide receiver back because, like the Steelers, we're
trying to win. This is not like when the Jags
traded Jalen Ramsey and some of these teams that trade
quote unquote star big name guys like that, they're punning
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on the season. Steelers would not be, so you would
have to get Like the Amari Cooper thing made a
lot of sense. The problem was Brandon Ayuke's like, I'm
not gonna sign there. And that's where these situations kind
of become like an NBA trade because if I'm trading
you a first round pick and a player, or let's
even say a first round pick and a third round
pick or something, I'm gonna want TJ. Watt to sign
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when I trade him. Part of the Khalil Mack again,
who was way younger at the time. When they traded him,
it was it was his first contract, you know, contract
extension post his rookie deal. This would be TJ's whatever
third contract, which again they just gave DK Metcalf his
third contract right Seattle drafted him, then they extended him,
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and then they're like, yeah, we're not into giving you
a third contract. And if fairness, John Schneider's done that
with a lot of guys Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, like
you just get to that third contract. It's why I
do understand it's kind of a weird spot for the Steelers.
But if I was a betting man right now, I
would say it'd be about ninety plus percent that TJ.
Watt is not traded. Now you get to a point
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where if you're just not willing to give him money,
he's like, I'm not showing up this. Would someone blow
you away? Would that team be comfortable giving him a
ton of money? Because if you're him, is this is
just like a what are we looking for? Are we
looking for? Like Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, I need one
hundred million dollars? Would he take like a two year
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extension at like sixty million dollars if you guaranteed every penny?
These situations get complic with older players in the NFL
because of the injury concerns. But as another guy told me,
in the league, like a huge part of what TJ
brings to the table is the intangible leadership value. And
that's that's something obviously the Steelers really value. Not a
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Charger Raider fan, but have a ton of respect for
Khalil Mack. He has been one of the most dominant
guys in this position since day one and is still
going strong. If he retired tomorrow, do you think he
would be a first You think he would be a
Hall of Famer? If so, what about a first ballot
Hall of Famer. I actually had to look this up
just because you gained. Like the Pro Bowls, you know,
certain guys drop out. So if you have nine Pro Bowls,
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which Khalil does, maybe seven of those were, no doubt
about it. Some of those are guys drop out. To me,
all pros tell a pretty good story. And he was.
He's a five time All Pro. I think four times
first team, one time second team. That's pretty good. I
think Patrick Willis, who had a shorter career, is like
five or six time All Pro. So when Khalil Mack
was on in his prime, still really good. Two years
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ago he had seventeen save though I think in one
game he had six. Was the thing the Denver Broncos.
I first ballot again, I think we have to like.
To me, when you say first ballot, hall of Famer,
I think like Aaron Donald, Peyton Manning, you know, Khalil Mack.
To me, hall of Famer. I have no problem putting
him in the Hall of Fame, but you gotta work
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a little bit for it. So to me, he would
his career still going. I mean, he could easily have
a double digitsack year, the Chargers could be in the
playoffs and keep adding to that resume. But I would
say as I'm recording this right now. He's not a
first ballot Hall of Famer Dylan Gabriel. This from Chris,
Although I agree with your take. Is it really hard
to believe that the Browns wanted him in the third round?
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Second all time in passing yard, second all time in
passing TDS, seventy three percent completion percentage, quicker release accurate.
He played at in a better conference and was sacked
half as much and objectively had a better season than Shadoor.
If you don't believe me, he finished third in the
high while Shador finishes eighth. He's going to be an
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asset in the film room, and whatever the starter throws
a pick, nobody is gonna call his name. He knows
where to put the ball. He's just not six', five
two hundred and thirty. Pounds the MORE i think about,
It gabriel is a perfect backup and could very well
but have a ten year. CAREER i just have a
hard time seeing many, teams if any teams would have
drafted him like Part, listen he played in the college
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football for a long long, time so you've give me those.
Stats two things can be. True Dyan gabriel is a good.
Player no one's ever been like this guy can't. Play
he can fucking. Play played At, oklahoma played At. Oregon,
like this guy's not some, slouch but there is a
big difference, between, like are you a good college? Prospect
he's really, SMALL i mean really, small five to eleven
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to two oh. FIVE i think he plays more like
one hundred and ninety. Pounds he's not a big time, athlete,
right so he's not really running, around you, know in
unless your offensive lineman is The, eagles you're gonna be
under siege in THE, nfl and when you're, small you get.
Crushed and he does not have a great. Arm So
i'm not anti the, player BUT i think as a
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third round, PICK I i just have a hard time
envisioning that they were. COMPETING i stick by my. Theory
they really liked the, guy and probably in a normal
draft they would have taken him in the fourth or
the fifth. Round But Jimmy haslam is hanging over their.
Shoulders Shador sanders is. Falling you, know this guy's kind
of a, starfucker and Want shador on the on the
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team because it would make no sense to draft him
in the third round and draft the other guy in
the fifth. Round SO i think If Shador sanders did
not exist in this, draft or had been, drafted let's
say in the second, ROUND i think The browns would
have just taken him in the fourth or fifth. ROUND
i know a lot of people that thought like there
was a chance he was gonna go. Undrafted, uh haven't
(10:49):
wrote you in a, while but had a. Thought i'm
wondering if there are any regulations ON nfl owners having
investment relationships with their. Players i've heard a lot About
curry and kd accuring great accruing great investments while playing
for a team in The Bay, area whether that's facilitated
by the owner or just from the being in the
(11:10):
proximity to awesome startup. Opportunities i'm wondering how much of
this occurs in THE. Nfl example that come to mind
would be If brady And tampa with The glazers In
stafford IN la with The Kronkey thanks for the, Show
it definitely. Happens you would be naive to think that
these guys don't take care of their. People i'll give
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you some. EXAMPLES i remember early on in Like kittle's,
career he was on this company in The Bay areas
Called Zenny. Eyewear they're the official eyewear of the forty nine,
ers and by like his second, year he was becoming
a star and he was on billboards all over the.
Place Rock purty has a Massive toyota. Dealership google the
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forty Nine ers In. Toyota i'm just you could probably
use these any different team in THE. Nfl so how
do you regulate against. That it's definitely illegal to pay
players through different avenues beside the salary. CAP i can't, go,
HEY i can give you twenty million dollars per, year
BUT i can give you another twenty million dollars off
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the field like that we will. Facilitate you would get
in trouble for. That that is against the. Rules but
it definitely happens in indirect ways that you use your,
relationships your partnerships to facilitate deals and maybe they take,
it maybe. You it's almost like a, connection you, know
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like what group, Text, Hey, JOHN i wanted to introduce
you to this. Guy he's in the podcast. Business he's
in ad. Sales. Right i'm sure many people listening do
this stuff all the, Time SO i think it is very,
illegal but it happens all the, time just like a
lot of things in a lot of our. Industries, yeah
that is not okay yet it. Happens welcome to. Business
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that's why we love. CAPITALISM i, think what Did Peter
goober's line there are no, rules just break them at
your own. PERIL i got a couple of questions for the.
Pod can you go through the process of? Scouting like
how do you? Know like how do you know how to?
Scout or what to look? For do scouts specialize in different?
Areas completely unrelated, question what is the difference between a
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normal running, back a, halfback and a? Fullback? Well you
LEARN i MEAN i learned WHEN i went To Fresno.
STATE i learned what to look, for what, positions specific
stuff to look. For it's a learned. Skill, obviously if
you're a former, player if, YOU i guess that would
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be the only way that you know from game planning
to strengths and, weaknesses you'd have a pretty good. Idea
but even if you are a former player who transitions into,
scouting that organization teaches you on. Board you helps you
understand exactly what they look for in their scheme because
it varies team the Team some teams obviously have a
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MORE i, guess liberal idea of what they're looking for
in terms of like wru'll do, anything and some teams
are very very. Specific but you're, taught and the best
teams teach their young scouts what to look. For but
to get that, job if you're not a former, player
you definitely would WHEN i Got WHEN i interviewed for The,
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eagles they gave me like three or four players to,
evaluate AND i wrote UP i would not known how
to do. That IF i just came from college and
just did, THAT i wouldn't have got the. Job BUT
i had a good base understanding even Though i'd never
really Evaluated i'd never EVALUATED nfl players from working in
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college college, recruiting watching there my own players At Fresno,
state like guys that were gonna play in THE nfl
undrafted free, agents and then the guys we were. Playing
we played a lot OF nfl, guys so you kind
of have a base knowledge and then you learn from.
THERE i THINK i would say a running back and
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a half, back and Again belichick might call me an,
idiot they're the same. THING a full back is just
the up back behind the. Quarterback he doesn't really exist.
ANYMORE i mean most teams have just a one running
back set. Now the fullback is basically. Dead Like Kyle.
Yuschek how many fullbacks are there in THE? Nfl so
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it used to just be like there are two running.
Backs one guy was called a, fullback who was typically
your lead. Blocker so running back and a half. BACK
i mean this football one to. ONE i mean carry the.
Football Full backs typically do. Not they just. Block that's
why they don't really exist anymore because a lot of
these modern day offensive coordinators view it like we're playing
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nine on eleven, right because the quarterback is not a
threat to run and the full back is basically just a.
Blocker so you have the five offensive linemen in a full,
back you're at a pretty big. DISADVANTAGE a quick question
for the bag do you think there should be a
limit on how far back someone can brag about Their
Super bowl. Wins i've got a buddy who's a Diehard dolphins.
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Fan Since i'm A charger, Fan he's always bringing up
Their Super bowl win from the nineteen, Seventies but WHEN
i ask what have they done in this? Era he
just goes right back to talking about the same. Championship to,
me it just doesn't make sense to keep bragging about
something you never, Saw like The Raiders dolphins haven't been
in a wild card, playoff haven't had a wildcard playoff
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win since the early two. Thousands that's almost twenty five.
Years what's the point of bringing up your grandpa's? Championship
it means something like it means something today when you
haven't seen them do anything in. Decades you are not
able to brag about championships if you were not. Alive
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so to, me if and again let's Just i'm gonna
assume you're thirty five years, old to brag about something
that happened in nineteen seventy two is an. Embarrassment, HONESTLY
i get kind of tired Of Mercury morris and kind
of that crew every time the last team that's undefeated
in THE nfl loses a, game but they fucking were
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on the team they went. Undefeated different. WORLD i, Listen
i'm not one To i'm not trying to go jj
reddick plumbers and, firemen because to play in THE nfl
in the, seventies i'd argue was harder than it is.
Today in terms of the, training the, facilities how. Terrible
most of the turf was the TRAVEL i can't even.
Imagine but, like you do not get to brag if
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you're twenty years. Old you don't get to brag about
stuff that happened in the. Nineties that is not. Okay
it actually crossed my mind today BECAUSE i was in
the gym AND i was. Struggling i'm, LIKE i don't
have much in, me so SOMETIMES i listen to podcasts
if i'm. Lifting i'm, like this is not, working SO
i just click. ON i just go To. Pandora i'm,
LIKE i need something Like Ozzy osbourne, something AND i
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fifty cent, come SO i click it and the first
song is Is California love With Doctor dre And tubac
And Doctor dre is a line like he says nineteen
ninety five or ninety, five AND i was, like this
song's thirty years. Old i'm listening to this. Song DID
i remember watching that video on my couch growing? Up
(18:32):
when they're in like the, DESERT i think down by
like Pump springs or In. VEGAS i GUESS i don't
know if they shot In, vegas but the video is
kind of, sick And i'm, thinking this song's thirty years.
Old and THEN i remember being like my dad's truck
in the mid nineties and he'd be listening to stuff
from like the late. Sixties i'd be, like this music
is so. Old just kind of made me feel. Old
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as a Lifelong bears, FAN I i'm tired of over
hyping the off. SEAS i have a huge concern with
the bears lack of talent at running, back Mainly DeAndre
swift in A Ben johnson style. Offense like many other
offenses in THE, nfl the success of the passing game
works in tandem with the run. Game my question is,
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this how much of a team's rushing offense is designed
based off the talent and skill set of the line
versus the talent and skill set of their running. Backs
can a team with a lack of talent at running
back make up for it if they have the talent
AT o line style their rushing attack to cater to
THE o line. STRENGTHS i think this is very overlooked
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when talking about The bears offensive success this year when
we have arguably the worst running back room in the.
League to, me you can circumvent average running backs to
have a successful running. Game if you have a dominant offensive,
line you could have a great running. Back if your
a line, Sucks Saquon barkley The, giants it doesn't. Matter
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you mass them. Together you Get Saquon, barkley you GET
i was gonna Say christian, McCaffrey but the forty Nine
ers offensive line not. Great but you've seen it over
the you, Know Terrell, Davis you've seen it over the.
YEARS i would rather if you told ME i had
to choose, one WOULD i rather take an average to
below average running back room and a great offensive line
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or vice. Versa i'll take the old lineman every, year every.
Time SO i would, say in your, Predicament i'd feel
pretty good about like my upgrades with my guards and my.
CENTERS i guess my center and my two. Guards there's
only one center on the. Field tackles a little bit
of a question, mark but if those guys. IMPROVE i
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have people in THE nfl that Like DeAndre. SWIFT i
know The eagles were very very high on. Him now
he kind of is what he is. NOW i also
think you guys will be in the. Business could you
trade for running back during training? Camp could you claim
a guy off? WAIVERS i, mean would you guys draft
this year relatively? High, right so you guess drafted, tenth
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you actually have a pretty good waiver. Claim would not
shock me at all if you claimed a running, Back
BUT i would feel better that my offensive line is
good than my running back. Situation But i'm with. YOU
i mean a huge part of the last couple of
years The lions vent Both, right they had awesome offensive,
line but they also Had gibbs In. Montgomery do you
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Think Julian edelman is A hall Of? Famer if you
would have asked me a couple of years, AGO i
would have said, No but now my mind has. Changed
if you don't think he, is do you think he
eventually gets in years down the? Road you, KNOW i
looked the other day BECAUSE i WAS i had been
thinking about this AFTER i met. Him he never made
A Pro. BOWL i think what makes football pretty special
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in THE. Nba you, know Basketball hall Of fame is
different because of factors in, college but, like you're never
making The hall Of fame if you're not going to
a lot Of All star, games, right in, football you
cannot be a quote unquote pro bowler and still be
one of the most important guys on a dynasty in THE.
Nfl So Julian, edelman is he going to make The
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hall Of? Fame probably? Not but would you rather be
A hall Of fame guy with no championships and Some Pro?
Bowls i'm not trying to talk about O Jo. Sinko
O Jo sinko was a, stud but like would he
change or trade his career all Those Pro? Bowls being
viewed as one of the best players at his position
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in the league for a long period of time in
the two thousands playing for The, bengals or being on
a team No Pro, bowls bunch Of Super, bowls A
Super BOWL, mvp and just an absolute living, legend especially
in that. TOWN i would take if the money descreptancy was.
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GIGANTIC i think you would take the guy with the
way more. Money But julian made a lot of money
in his. CAREER i also think when you win, championships
you're earning. Potential WHEN i was At collins doing THE
fs one thing a couple of weeks, AGO i was
bullshitting With Alexi lallis AND i told him THAT i
was On stanford's campus in nineteen ninety four when they
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Played brazil in The World cup and they and he
started describing that game that. Atmosphere he's, like we lost one,
Nothing and he's, like you know Why i'm sitting here right.
Now he's, like do you know Why i've had this
career in soccer because of the nineteen ninety Four World?
Cup AND i think some of these guys that go,
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on you, know unless you play for The, cowboys but
when you're this legendary, Champion Julian edelman's. Value he came Into.
Fox he's a huge part of their pregame show because
he's extremely, famous because he's a big time, winner AND
I i think that he wouldn't trade his career for
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many you. KNOW i, mean there's not that many guys
over the last thirty years beside Like Jerry, rice who
won a bunch of championships and also was a great
wide receiver who's A hall Of. Famer like think about
a lot of The hall Of fame wide, Receivers Calvin,
Johnson Marvin, harrison won A Super, bowl but a lot
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of guys that did not win. Championships, obviously the best
case you do. Both that's what Made Shannon SHARP i
mean he's the best of both, worlds Right championship, Player
hall Of, famer like you get it, both there's usually
a fine. Line think about a lot of The patriots
Minus Tom brady that second. Run none of those guys
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are making The hall Of. FAME i GUESS i have
to look At devin, mccordy how Many Pro bowls he?
Made maybe he's closer Than i'm giving him credit. FOR
i just still want TO i feel like he's definitely
made Some Pro. Bowls maybe he's. Bad, example the only
he made Two Pro bowls and three second Team All,
pros so he'd probably be on THE i bet he
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doesn't make. It but like, Mccordy, Edelman David, Andrews dante High.
Tower but they have a lot of guys THAT i
don't think would trade their careers for many. People Has
sean McDermott learned how to become a head? Coach In
Josh allen's? Prime where do you rank McDermott as a head?
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Coach and do you feel he can learn to scheme
and use the clock effectively as in coach The bills
to A Super? Bowl he's done a pretty freaking good.
JOB i mean you guys have been in MULTIPLE afc
championships over the last five. Years you have gone toe
to toe with The. Chiefs that playoff win last year
against The ravens was extremely. Impressive sean mcdermot's really. Good
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AND i think when you're a defensive coach and you
have a great, quarterback if he was an offensive guy
and their offense was crushing, it he would get a
lot more. CREDIT i just think you don't get the
same amount of credit when you're a defensive. Guy and
if we all quarterbacks carrying. You when he got to The,
bills that organization. Sucked it was a. Joke The Miami,
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dolphins they were just they weren't. Winning they hadn't won
in a long long. Time AND i think he's done a,
really really good. Job now he's had some clock. Snaffhoos
Andy reid used to have. Some now the pushback is
you Get Josh allen in your, prime it will go
to our next. Question there's a lot of pressure these
next couple of. Years if not, now then when imagine
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you could bet whether a player would ever win A
Super bowl as a starting. Quarterback here are some rough
ODDS i came up with who would you bet on
and who is priced too low or too? High alan
is minus one fifty And Lamar jackson is plus one twenty.
FIVE i personally would have them the. SAME i would
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probably have them both at like minus one ten because
there is a chance neither one wins a Super. BOWL
i would bet one of them does win a Super,
bowl but like there is no. Guarantee and While josh
has been a better quarterback in the, playoffs The ravens
do have the better. Team and If lamar could ever
put together against The chiefs or The bills like the
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second half that he played against The bills last, year
they would beat both those two. Teams the last two.
Years his problem was he played the first half shitty
and against The chiefs he just didn't play. Well but
if he had played well in either one of those,
games they win that game because their team is so,
Good like their roster is better than The bills roster
at least the last couple. Years we'll see as we,
transition maybe some guys take, steps BUT i would have
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their odds as the. Same burrow plus two, Fifty i'd
have that. HIGHER i guess WHEN i say, higher like,
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Hey John Loves. Show like any market, boom there is
typically a leveling off or a recession a little after
a little. While right now we seem to be in
a bit of a salary cap, boom new international, markets
bigger television streaming deals in THE nfl simply being a
year round discussion and not a seasonal thing like a
few decades. Ago but it seems like nflgms are assuming
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the salary cap is only going to, increase leading to
these constant record breaking. Deals should other gms be thinking
about a salary cap leveling off period or should they
continue to ride the wave and hope there is more
money in the. FUTURE i say other Because i'm An eagles,
fan and how he is definitely thinking about this because
he's the. Goat here's the difference for most of, Us,
(31:39):
right if a huge recession, Hit for, Example i'm heavily
involved in the advertising, business it would directly impact my, operation,
right and people in the podcasting, Space depending on how
big you, were what your infrastructure, was what your established history,
Was some would be better in, others just like in
(32:01):
any different industry or any walk of, life if you
have a set contract that is. Unbreakable THE nfl knows
they're getting, money, right they sign a ten year deal
at billions upon billions of. Dollars so for something to
dramatically change the companies they are in business, WITH Cbs
(32:22):
fox would basically have to go under because they would
pay THE. Nfl that'd be the last thing they would ever.
Cut they would cut every single THING. Cbs they would
get rid of everything in front of their eyes before
they stop paying THE nfl because of the importance of
THE nfl product on their. Network AND i think THE
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nfl would, say, well if the worst case scenario, happened
BECAUSE i was taught a long time, ago nothing is for,
certain no matter what, world no matter what industry you're,
in pick up a history. Book BUT i think THE
nfl feels pretty comfid in it about at least the foreseeable,
future this next five years and then that, second that
(33:05):
contract after let's say twenty twenty, nine for the next.
Decade but if something were to, happen then, yeah it'd
be a. Problem but if you told me did a
catastrophic event that forced THE nfl salary cap to come
down in the near, FUTURE i would say we got
big problems in. SOCIETY i would, say make sure your
(33:29):
piggy bank is, full because that would be a reflection
we would be. Fucked fellow mustang here just graduated a
software engineering. Degree you are ted smarter than, me my,
friend so. Congratulations found you In collins feed huge. FAN
i went to high school with a guy whose dad
played in THE nfl for many, Years Mark. Brunner remember
(33:51):
the name or remember the player, well and he now
works as a scout for the. Team his son went
TO u dub as a. Linebacker mark also played there
and just got drafted The steelers in the seventh round
and signed his rookie. Deal all props to, him he
is an insanely hard working. Guy but my question is,
this how much could his dad have helped getting him
into college and eventually getting him, drafted given that he
(34:14):
played for both teams and is now a. Scout in other,
words how much loyalty would The steelers organization Owe mark
or would they have drafted him? ANYWAYS i would SAY
i think sometimes in, college like if you're a former
alumni and you're a FAMOUS nfl, guy you played in the.
League if your guys on the, fringe it doesn't kill
(34:36):
these programs to take him Right unlike the. Pros you
have a one hundred man. Roster if a guy's a third,
stringer who? Cares you have eighty five? Scholarships now with
nil that happens right, Now i'd have to look at
how good his son. Was you don't if The steelers
are going to draft, you you're a good player in.
College so, typically LIKE i think you're seeing it all
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round in THE, nba in THE, NFL i don't think
it's random that Like Ron harper's kid went number, two
Even Cooper flag his parents were college basketball. Players look
at some of THESE nfl guys to get drafted all their.
Dads so genetics matter if you're gonna play in THE.
Nba if you're gonna play in THE, nfl typically you're
(35:20):
not Using john middlecoff sperm. Right So brunner like has big.
TIME i would, say LIKE nfl. Pedigree so when you
HAVE nfl pedigree and you're a starter in college and
a draftable, player that is a big bonus in the draft.
Room so even If i'm not on The, steelers IF
i had Scouted university Of, Washington i'd be, like, hey
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hard working, guy staff loves, him been a productive. Player
he's gonna play in THE. Nfl ALTHOUGH i feel confident
that taking this guy in the sixth seventh round or
an undrafted free agent like he will be a contributing
member and have a good chance as any because a
huge part of guys in the sixth seventh round didn't make.
It it's about, Mentality it's about like to, me it's
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a lot of the intangible. Stuff it's not as. Much
you're not getting guys in the sixth seventh round with
like typically elite. Traits so most of those guys make
it on work, ethic on, smarts on, toughness on the intangible.
Shit so The steelers would know him better than probably
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everyone else because he's The, sun but they would not
draft him just because their dad works, There just like
a couple of years ago when The cowboys took the
running back from K state and his dad was a
scout that key could. Play you, know now do They
there is an element where human. Beings it's a cool
moment in the. Room but they liked the. Player THE
(36:48):
gm liked the. Player maybe the assistant coach liked the.
Player it's Not they're not just doing it out of
the goodness of their. Heart, hey we'll end on. THIS
i said the other, DAY i had. Downloaded it was
one of those situations WHERE i didn't check my iPad
downloads a couple of weeks, ago AND i was on
a plane and THINGS i tried to download like hadn't,
finished SO i didn't have access to. Him the only
(37:11):
THING i had on my iPad. WASN'T i had a
couple of books with, me BUT i was, LIKE i
kind of want to watch. Something was like this yacht.
SHOW i think On Amazon prime about these guys there
are like billionaires and only these like fifty one hundred
million dollars. Yachts i'm, like, Listen i'm not disputing that
these yachts look. Cool Like i'm just not a big
sit on the ocean. GUY i like even like a
boat on the, lake like going on the boat For
(37:33):
Joe burrell say, This LIKE i like going for an
hour or. Two i'm not a huge, wakeboarder have a few,
beers then come back to the. Beach you. KNOW i
like being on hard. Land i've never disputed like having
a cool ski boat or having a. Yacht it's. Cool
i'm not against anyone that aspires to do. Either BUT
i like being on the land and looking at the.
(37:54):
Water some people like being or, swimming BUT i don't
like actually being out. THERE i like Blow, deck good.
SHOW i wouldn't pay for that IF i had the.
Money WOULD i go if? Invited? Probably but that's not
really not really into. That so here's the question you
talked about the uh the intake of private equity and
(38:15):
your lack of desire to be on a fifty million dollar.
Yacht if you had crazy, money like multiple double digit,
billions what would be the crazy splurge you would want
to buy rather than a fifteen million dollar. YACHT i
Guess i'm not a splurge. Guy i'm really. Not i'd
probably buy like more assets. Now like you, said if
(38:38):
you're worth billions of, dollars you can kind of buy
whatever you. WANT i THINK i read one time that
they described like the richest human that they, knew and
the best way to describe him or that guy described
himself to them is, like essentially everything in my life is.
Free one thing for SURE i would get would be a,
plane so WHEREVER i wanted to, go oh my dog
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could come with. ME i mean the advantage that the
ultra rich have when they travel to be able to
take you name, it not have to wait and fight
the masses at the. Airport, LISTEN i have a lot of.
Respect people get so angry at airports and. Delays it's
gotta be, difficult it really. DOES i, mean there's a
(39:21):
lot going on in those. THINGS i fucking hate. Airports
for those of you guys that travel a lot for,
work more power to. You it is just it puts
me in such a bad. Mood being in an airport.
Delays everyone's, angry, Smelly the food options. Suck they're charging
you twenty dollars for a water and you know peanuts
or eighteen. Dollars you're, like, oh kept me out of this.
(39:43):
Thing you're stuffed Into southwest like a sardine to. ME
a PLANE i would, buy if the most expensive private,
jet imagine. It LIKE i would have no hesitation doing.
That but ultimately like quote unquote, splurging Like i'm NOT
i guess Houses i'm, Into LIKE i would try to
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buy like buildings and investing companies and do stuff like.
That but the, Yacht i'll be completely honest if you
haven't seen. It at, first WHEN i saw the thing come,
across it's like put the yacht show about like The
Poop cruise On. NETFLIX i was, Like i'm not gonna watch.
This THEN i watched a trailer, like doesn't look. Terrible
(40:25):
then we watched it when we were In tahoe one.
Night it's a good. WATCH i recommend it a cruise
and my parents used to go on. Them i've never
been on a. Cruise i'm sure some of you listening
have been on. Cruises that is not appealing to me at.
All it's not Because i'm, scared like it's gonna go
down like The, titanic but just being stuck on that
vessel with thousands of, people it's JUST i don't. KNOW
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i love to, SWIM i love being in the. WATER
i love Like. Tahoe it's like one of my favorite
Places i've ever been in my entire. LIFE i go every,
year And i've gone my entire life very lucky just
to be born an hour and a half away from
it or. Else you, Know i've said this forever about
the acc the golf tournament going Into. Tahoe if you
notice The, kelsey's the. Mahomes these guys that are from
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other areas of the, country then that play football in
other areas of the, country they come out here for
the first time To Lake. Tahoe they come back every
fucking year because they, like this place is like heaven On.
Earth it's, like, wait we're In, nevada meaning they're casinos
and we can gamble and we can play, golf and
there's this enormous lake, like, yeah it's pretty special. Place
(41:32):
But i'm just Not i'm not a big ocean. Guy
my good buddy of mine growing up his grandpa WHEN
i was you, know twelve to through high school like
to like deep sea. Fish successful guy had a construction.
COMPANY i remember going out with them for the first.
Time you get up at, like you, know four in
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the morning's that you're going on a hunt or, something
and you get out there it's freezing cold here in
The Pacific. OCEAN i got so. Sick oh take this drama,
mean which is, like oh it makes you feel, Better,
well yeah kind, of but you also just go to.
Sleep i'm, like, yeah it's not a huge ocean guy
in terms of being on it on a. Boat so
that'd be a long way to describe of props to
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anyone that enjoys yachts or even. Boats even In. TAHOE
i was talking to my, Brother i'm, like how much
BECAUSE i remember being like twenty years, ago like if
you were really, cool you had a sweet ass like wakeboard,
boat like a, skip like A. MALIBU i remember they
were a lot of money twenty plus years, ago like fifty.
Grand it's like their cost of a. CAR i was
talking To. Jeff we're having some cocktails swimming around the,
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lake which actually was kind of cold but. Swimmable he's,
like do you know how much these things? Cost? Now
i'm like, No he's like one hundred and fifty, Grand
like that's how much a ski, boat a nice ski boat. Costs,
yeah they are not. Cheap jesus not a boat. Guy
so god speed to all you that are the volume
The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
I just slammed a turkey sandwich and I said, you
(00:21):
know what, it's a weekend mailbag. We obviously haven't done
as many podcasts over the last couple of weeks. I'm
feeling antsy my dms at John Middlecoff. That is how
you get in on the mailbag. You just DM my Instagram.
It's just my name. Two f's fire in those dms.
Get your questions answered here on the show. And that's
(00:43):
what we're gonna do. We're gonna not gonna go too
crazy long, but I'll just bang out maybe tennis questions
here and like I said, you guys know the drill
firing those dms questions answered here on the show. Middle
of summer. Hopefully you guys are enjoying it, staying semi cool.
It's extremely hot where I'm at, but hopefully you're in
a pool or a lake somewhere and enjoy life. Start
(01:06):
with TJ, big Steeler fan. I go to at least
three Steeler games a year. I like that dedication. It
was time for Minka to go, and I didn't think
they'd actually do it. There was a lot of times
big plays were given up and everyone is just standing
looking at him or a mistackle from him, and he's
leading the pack chasing Derek Henry down the sideline. I
(01:29):
trust Tomlin. If he's selling, he knows more than we do.
I would tend to agree they've done a pretty good
job selling on players. I would say that the Steelers
don't typically sell on a guy and have that guy
at the highest level come back and bite them in
the ass. They have a pretty good track record, especially
recently Antonio Brown. Again, I'm not comparing Minka to Antonio Brown,
(01:54):
you know, personality wise, Antonio Brown was a better player.
Weird situation, but even recently, again, these guys weren't as
good as Minca, but Chase Claypool, George Pickens, they got
they got a pretty good idea. And listen, you if
you watch every single snap of the Steelers, you know
him better than me. A lot of you guys push
(02:14):
back when I reacted to the trade. You know, I
don't break down safety film so in, especially with a
player like that. I immediately just text a couple buddies
who are dialed in in the league, and I say,
what do you think they said? Listen, Minka is still
a really, really good player, but the safety position is complicated.
It's kind of like the new running back. He's going
(02:35):
to need a new contract. Are you going to pay
him again? He's not that old, so he's gonna want
a lot of money. It's clearly a position I would
call safety the new running back. You could argue it's
been a lot like the running back over the last
tenish years. It's a it's not valued like it will.
I mean, when I was a kid, star safeties were everywhere.
Hell I mean honestly up until the two thousands. The
(02:58):
game's changed a little bit. Obviously, corner which has always
been valued, but is in like a different stratosphere than safety.
Here's TJ's question. With that being said, question, what do
you think the actual trade value for TJ? Watts? I'm
thinking a late first round pick and a player I
know the Eagles are interested. What do you think we
could get? It's a great question. Well, if you were
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to trade them, which I think at this point would
be shocking given that they're all in with the Rogers
situation trading for DK, but you can never say never.
It's the NFL. I don't know what the Eagles would
have to give you back, like you said, a player,
Like who's the player, right, Because if you're gonna trade
up your best pass rusher, you're gonna want one of
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their defensive linemen. They're not giving you Jalen Carter, will
they give you Jordan Davis. I mean, that's not an
apple for apple trade. So if they gave you a
first round or Jordan Davis, who needs to get paid
here in a year, and again, paid is all relative.
I think sometimes we throw that out. This guy needs
to get paid. Well, yeah, you know, there's a big
difference between just because his contracts ending, he needs a
(04:06):
new contract, like what is the number? And again I'm
just using this as an example. You know, I think
if you were going to trade TJ. We talked about
this with Miles Garrett and Max Crosby, when you do
it before the draft, there's a lot of value there,
right and for a team even if you're you know,
if you would have trade Miles Garrett or Max Crosby,
(04:26):
both those teams would big time be waving We're waving
the white flag this upcoming year. I remember when Khalil
Mack was traded, it was after the draft. Right before
the season and they got a couple first round picks.
To me, the Steelers, what, I don't think his value
is two first round picks given that he's thirty years old.
But like, the Steelers would want a player back, so
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I'm with you, would they get, you know, if the
Eagles were willing a first round pick and a player again,
I think if you're the Steelers, you would you would
want it to be a defensive lineman. Now I'm not
comparing Brandon Auke to TJ Watt, but the forty nine
Ers chose not to trade Brandon Ayuk last year before
the draft when they had good offers on the table,
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and then they waited and then the contract negotiation got
weird and they're like, okay, we'll trade you. But the
big thing with them to trade him was like, we
need a wide receiver back because, like the Steelers, we're
trying to win. This is not like when the Jags
traded Jalen Ramsey and some of these teams that trade
quote unquote star big name guys like that, they're punning
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on the season. Steelers would not be, so you would
have to get Like the Amari Cooper thing made a
lot of sense. The problem was Brandon Ayuke's like, I'm
not gonna sign there. And that's where these situations kind
of become like an NBA trade because if I'm trading
you a first round pick and a player, or let's
even say a first round pick and a third round
pick or something, I'm gonna want TJ. Watt to sign
(05:52):
when I trade him. Part of the Khalil Mack again,
who was way younger at the time. When they traded him,
it was it was his first contract, you know, contract
extension post his rookie deal. This would be TJ's whatever
third contract, which again they just gave DK Metcalf his
third contract right Seattle drafted him, then they extended him,
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and then they're like, yeah, we're not into giving you
a third contract. And if fairness, John Schneider's done that
with a lot of guys Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, like
you just get to that third contract. It's why I
do understand it's kind of a weird spot for the Steelers.
But if I was a betting man right now, I
would say it'd be about ninety plus percent that TJ.
Watt is not traded. Now you get to a point
(06:34):
where if you're just not willing to give him money,
he's like, I'm not showing up this. Would someone blow
you away? Would that team be comfortable giving him a
ton of money? Because if you're him, is this is
just like a what are we looking for? Are we
looking for? Like Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, I need one
hundred million dollars? Would he take like a two year
(06:55):
extension at like sixty million dollars if you guaranteed every penny?
These situations get complic with older players in the NFL
because of the injury concerns. But as another guy told me,
in the league, like a huge part of what TJ
brings to the table is the intangible leadership value. And
that's that's something obviously the Steelers really value. Not a
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Charger Raider fan, but have a ton of respect for
Khalil Mack. He has been one of the most dominant
guys in this position since day one and is still
going strong. If he retired tomorrow, do you think he
would be a first You think he would be a
Hall of Famer? If so, what about a first ballot
Hall of Famer. I actually had to look this up
just because you gained. Like the Pro Bowls, you know,
certain guys drop out. So if you have nine Pro Bowls,
(07:38):
which Khalil does, maybe seven of those were, no doubt
about it. Some of those are guys drop out. To me,
all pros tell a pretty good story. And he was.
He's a five time All Pro. I think four times
first team, one time second team. That's pretty good. I
think Patrick Willis, who had a shorter career, is like
five or six time All Pro. So when Khalil Mack
was on in his prime, still really good. Two years
(07:59):
ago he had seventeen save though I think in one
game he had six. Was the thing the Denver Broncos.
I first ballot again, I think we have to like.
To me, when you say first ballot, hall of Famer,
I think like Aaron Donald, Peyton Manning, you know, Khalil Mack.
To me, hall of Famer. I have no problem putting
him in the Hall of Fame, but you gotta work
(08:21):
a little bit for it. So to me, he would
his career still going. I mean, he could easily have
a double digitsack year, the Chargers could be in the
playoffs and keep adding to that resume. But I would
say as I'm recording this right now. He's not a
first ballot Hall of Famer Dylan Gabriel. This from Chris,
Although I agree with your take. Is it really hard
to believe that the Browns wanted him in the third round?
(08:42):
Second all time in passing yard, second all time in
passing TDS, seventy three percent completion percentage, quicker release accurate.
He played at in a better conference and was sacked
half as much and objectively had a better season than Shadoor.
If you don't believe me, he finished third in the
high while Shador finishes eighth. He's going to be an
(09:03):
asset in the film room, and whatever the starter throws
a pick, nobody is gonna call his name. He knows
where to put the ball. He's just not six', five
two hundred and thirty. Pounds the MORE i think about,
It gabriel is a perfect backup and could very well
but have a ten year. CAREER i just have a
hard time seeing many, teams if any teams would have
drafted him like Part, listen he played in the college
(09:25):
football for a long long, time so you've give me those.
Stats two things can be. True Dyan gabriel is a good.
Player no one's ever been like this guy can't. Play
he can fucking. Play played At, oklahoma played At. Oregon,
like this guy's not some, slouch but there is a
big difference, between, like are you a good college? Prospect
he's really, SMALL i mean really, small five to eleven
(09:45):
to two oh. FIVE i think he plays more like
one hundred and ninety. Pounds he's not a big time, athlete,
right so he's not really running, around you, know in
unless your offensive lineman is The, eagles you're gonna be
under siege in THE, nfl and when you're, small you get.
Crushed and he does not have a great. Arm So
i'm not anti the, player BUT i think as a
(10:07):
third round, PICK I i just have a hard time
envisioning that they were. COMPETING i stick by my. Theory
they really liked the, guy and probably in a normal
draft they would have taken him in the fourth or
the fifth. Round But Jimmy haslam is hanging over their.
Shoulders Shador sanders is. Falling you, know this guy's kind
of a, starfucker and Want shador on the on the
(10:29):
team because it would make no sense to draft him
in the third round and draft the other guy in
the fifth. Round SO i think If Shador sanders did
not exist in this, draft or had been, drafted let's
say in the second, ROUND i think The browns would
have just taken him in the fourth or fifth. ROUND
i know a lot of people that thought like there
was a chance he was gonna go. Undrafted, uh haven't
(10:49):
wrote you in a, while but had a. Thought i'm
wondering if there are any regulations ON nfl owners having
investment relationships with their. Players i've heard a lot About
curry and kd accuring great accruing great investments while playing
for a team in The Bay, area whether that's facilitated
by the owner or just from the being in the
(11:10):
proximity to awesome startup. Opportunities i'm wondering how much of
this occurs in THE. Nfl example that come to mind
would be If brady And tampa with The glazers In
stafford IN la with The Kronkey thanks for the, Show
it definitely. Happens you would be naive to think that
these guys don't take care of their. People i'll give
(11:31):
you some. EXAMPLES i remember early on in Like kittle's,
career he was on this company in The Bay areas
Called Zenny. Eyewear they're the official eyewear of the forty nine,
ers and by like his second, year he was becoming
a star and he was on billboards all over the.
Place Rock purty has a Massive toyota. Dealership google the
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forty Nine ers In. Toyota i'm just you could probably
use these any different team in THE. Nfl so how
do you regulate against. That it's definitely illegal to pay
players through different avenues beside the salary. CAP i can't, go,
HEY i can give you twenty million dollars per, year
BUT i can give you another twenty million dollars off
(12:16):
the field like that we will. Facilitate you would get
in trouble for. That that is against the. Rules but
it definitely happens in indirect ways that you use your,
relationships your partnerships to facilitate deals and maybe they take,
it maybe. You it's almost like a, connection you, know
(12:37):
like what group, Text, Hey, JOHN i wanted to introduce
you to this. Guy he's in the podcast. Business he's
in ad. Sales. Right i'm sure many people listening do
this stuff all the, Time SO i think it is very,
illegal but it happens all the, time just like a
lot of things in a lot of our. Industries, yeah
that is not okay yet it. Happens welcome to. Business
(13:00):
that's why we love. CAPITALISM i, think what Did Peter
goober's line there are no, rules just break them at
your own. PERIL i got a couple of questions for the.
Pod can you go through the process of? Scouting like
how do you? Know like how do you know how to?
Scout or what to look? For do scouts specialize in different?
Areas completely unrelated, question what is the difference between a
(13:25):
normal running, back a, halfback and a? Fullback? Well you
LEARN i MEAN i learned WHEN i went To Fresno.
STATE i learned what to look, for what, positions specific
stuff to look. For it's a learned. Skill, obviously if
you're a former, player if, YOU i guess that would
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be the only way that you know from game planning
to strengths and, weaknesses you'd have a pretty good. Idea
but even if you are a former player who transitions into,
scouting that organization teaches you on. Board you helps you
understand exactly what they look for in their scheme because
it varies team the Team some teams obviously have a
(14:11):
MORE i, guess liberal idea of what they're looking for
in terms of like wru'll do, anything and some teams
are very very. Specific but you're, taught and the best
teams teach their young scouts what to look. For but
to get that, job if you're not a former, player
you definitely would WHEN i Got WHEN i interviewed for The,
(14:32):
eagles they gave me like three or four players to,
evaluate AND i wrote UP i would not known how
to do. That IF i just came from college and
just did, THAT i wouldn't have got the. Job BUT
i had a good base understanding even Though i'd never
really Evaluated i'd never EVALUATED nfl players from working in
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college college, recruiting watching there my own players At Fresno,
state like guys that were gonna play in THE nfl
undrafted free, agents and then the guys we were. Playing
we played a lot OF nfl, guys so you kind
of have a base knowledge and then you learn from.
THERE i THINK i would say a running back and
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a half, back and Again belichick might call me an,
idiot they're the same. THING a full back is just
the up back behind the. Quarterback he doesn't really exist.
ANYMORE i mean most teams have just a one running
back set. Now the fullback is basically. Dead Like Kyle.
Yuschek how many fullbacks are there in THE? Nfl so
(15:37):
it used to just be like there are two running.
Backs one guy was called a, fullback who was typically
your lead. Blocker so running back and a half. BACK
i mean this football one to. ONE i mean carry the.
Football Full backs typically do. Not they just. Block that's
why they don't really exist anymore because a lot of
these modern day offensive coordinators view it like we're playing
(15:59):
nine on eleven, right because the quarterback is not a
threat to run and the full back is basically just a.
Blocker so you have the five offensive linemen in a full,
back you're at a pretty big. DISADVANTAGE a quick question
for the bag do you think there should be a
limit on how far back someone can brag about Their
Super bowl. Wins i've got a buddy who's a Diehard dolphins.
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Fan Since i'm A charger, Fan he's always bringing up
Their Super bowl win from the nineteen, Seventies but WHEN
i ask what have they done in this? Era he
just goes right back to talking about the same. Championship to,
me it just doesn't make sense to keep bragging about
something you never, Saw like The Raiders dolphins haven't been
in a wild card, playoff haven't had a wildcard playoff
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win since the early two. Thousands that's almost twenty five.
Years what's the point of bringing up your grandpa's? Championship
it means something like it means something today when you
haven't seen them do anything in. Decades you are not
able to brag about championships if you were not. Alive
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so to, me if and again let's Just i'm gonna
assume you're thirty five years, old to brag about something
that happened in nineteen seventy two is an. Embarrassment, HONESTLY
i get kind of tired Of Mercury morris and kind
of that crew every time the last team that's undefeated
in THE nfl loses a, game but they fucking were
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on the team they went. Undefeated different. WORLD i, Listen
i'm not one To i'm not trying to go jj
reddick plumbers and, firemen because to play in THE nfl
in the, seventies i'd argue was harder than it is.
Today in terms of the, training the, facilities how. Terrible
most of the turf was the TRAVEL i can't even.
Imagine but, like you do not get to brag if
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you're twenty years. Old you don't get to brag about
stuff that happened in the. Nineties that is not. Okay
it actually crossed my mind today BECAUSE i was in
the gym AND i was. Struggling i'm, LIKE i don't
have much in, me so SOMETIMES i listen to podcasts
if i'm. Lifting i'm, like this is not, working SO
i just click. ON i just go To. Pandora i'm,
LIKE i need something Like Ozzy osbourne, something AND i
(18:12):
fifty cent, come SO i click it and the first
song is Is California love With Doctor dre And tubac
And Doctor dre is a line like he says nineteen
ninety five or ninety, five AND i was, like this
song's thirty years. Old i'm listening to this. Song DID
i remember watching that video on my couch growing? Up
(18:32):
when they're in like the, DESERT i think down by
like Pump springs or In. VEGAS i GUESS i don't
know if they shot In, vegas but the video is
kind of, sick And i'm, thinking this song's thirty years.
Old and THEN i remember being like my dad's truck
in the mid nineties and he'd be listening to stuff
from like the late. Sixties i'd be, like this music
is so. Old just kind of made me feel. Old
(18:54):
as a Lifelong bears, FAN I i'm tired of over
hyping the off. SEAS i have a huge concern with
the bears lack of talent at running, back Mainly DeAndre
swift in A Ben johnson style. Offense like many other
offenses in THE, nfl the success of the passing game
works in tandem with the run. Game my question is,
(19:16):
this how much of a team's rushing offense is designed
based off the talent and skill set of the line
versus the talent and skill set of their running. Backs
can a team with a lack of talent at running
back make up for it if they have the talent
AT o line style their rushing attack to cater to
THE o line. STRENGTHS i think this is very overlooked
(19:37):
when talking about The bears offensive success this year when
we have arguably the worst running back room in the.
League to, me you can circumvent average running backs to
have a successful running. Game if you have a dominant offensive,
line you could have a great running. Back if your
a line, Sucks Saquon barkley The, giants it doesn't. Matter
(20:01):
you mass them. Together you Get Saquon, barkley you GET
i was gonna Say christian, McCaffrey but the forty Nine
ers offensive line not. Great but you've seen it over
the you, Know Terrell, Davis you've seen it over the.
YEARS i would rather if you told ME i had
to choose, one WOULD i rather take an average to
below average running back room and a great offensive line
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or vice. Versa i'll take the old lineman every, year every.
Time SO i would, say in your, Predicament i'd feel
pretty good about like my upgrades with my guards and my.
CENTERS i guess my center and my two. Guards there's
only one center on the. Field tackles a little bit
of a question, mark but if those guys. IMPROVE i
(20:43):
have people in THE nfl that Like DeAndre. SWIFT i
know The eagles were very very high on. Him now
he kind of is what he is. NOW i also
think you guys will be in the. Business could you
trade for running back during training? Camp could you claim
a guy off? WAIVERS i, mean would you guys draft
this year relatively? High, right so you guess drafted, tenth
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you actually have a pretty good waiver. Claim would not
shock me at all if you claimed a running, Back
BUT i would feel better that my offensive line is
good than my running back. Situation But i'm with. YOU
i mean a huge part of the last couple of
years The lions vent Both, right they had awesome offensive,
line but they also Had gibbs In. Montgomery do you
(21:30):
Think Julian edelman is A hall Of? Famer if you
would have asked me a couple of years, AGO i
would have said, No but now my mind has. Changed
if you don't think he, is do you think he
eventually gets in years down the? Road you, KNOW i
looked the other day BECAUSE i WAS i had been
thinking about this AFTER i met. Him he never made
A Pro. BOWL i think what makes football pretty special
(21:52):
in THE. Nba you, know Basketball hall Of fame is
different because of factors in, college but, like you're never
making The hall Of fame if you're not going to
a lot Of All star, games, right in, football you
cannot be a quote unquote pro bowler and still be
one of the most important guys on a dynasty in THE.
Nfl So Julian, edelman is he going to make The
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hall Of? Fame probably? Not but would you rather be
A hall Of fame guy with no championships and Some Pro?
Bowls i'm not trying to talk about O Jo. Sinko
O Jo sinko was a, stud but like would he
change or trade his career all Those Pro? Bowls being
viewed as one of the best players at his position
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in the league for a long period of time in
the two thousands playing for The, bengals or being on
a team No Pro, bowls bunch Of Super, bowls A
Super BOWL, mvp and just an absolute living, legend especially
in that. TOWN i would take if the money descreptancy was.
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GIGANTIC i think you would take the guy with the
way more. Money But julian made a lot of money
in his. CAREER i also think when you win, championships
you're earning. Potential WHEN i was At collins doing THE
fs one thing a couple of weeks, AGO i was
bullshitting With Alexi lallis AND i told him THAT i
was On stanford's campus in nineteen ninety four when they
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Played brazil in The World cup and they and he
started describing that game that. Atmosphere he's, like we lost one,
Nothing and he's, like you know Why i'm sitting here right.
Now he's, like do you know Why i've had this
career in soccer because of the nineteen ninety Four World?
Cup AND i think some of these guys that go,
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on you, know unless you play for The, cowboys but
when you're this legendary, Champion Julian edelman's. Value he came Into.
Fox he's a huge part of their pregame show because
he's extremely, famous because he's a big time, winner AND
I i think that he wouldn't trade his career for
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many you. KNOW i, mean there's not that many guys
over the last thirty years beside Like Jerry, rice who
won a bunch of championships and also was a great
wide receiver who's A hall Of. Famer like think about
a lot of The hall Of fame wide, Receivers Calvin,
Johnson Marvin, harrison won A Super, bowl but a lot
(24:24):
of guys that did not win. Championships, obviously the best
case you do. Both that's what Made Shannon SHARP i
mean he's the best of both, worlds Right championship, Player
hall Of, famer like you get it, both there's usually
a fine. Line think about a lot of The patriots
Minus Tom brady that second. Run none of those guys
(24:46):
are making The hall Of. FAME i GUESS i have
to look At devin, mccordy how Many Pro bowls he?
Made maybe he's closer Than i'm giving him credit. FOR
i just still want TO i feel like he's definitely
made Some Pro. Bowls maybe he's. Bad, example the only
he made Two Pro bowls and three second Team All,
pros so he'd probably be on THE i bet he
(25:08):
doesn't make. It but like, Mccordy, Edelman David, Andrews dante High.
Tower but they have a lot of guys THAT i
don't think would trade their careers for many. People Has
sean McDermott learned how to become a head? Coach In
Josh allen's? Prime where do you rank McDermott as a head?
(25:31):
Coach and do you feel he can learn to scheme
and use the clock effectively as in coach The bills
to A Super? Bowl he's done a pretty freaking good.
JOB i mean you guys have been in MULTIPLE afc
championships over the last five. Years you have gone toe
to toe with The. Chiefs that playoff win last year
against The ravens was extremely. Impressive sean mcdermot's really. Good
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AND i think when you're a defensive coach and you
have a great, quarterback if he was an offensive guy
and their offense was crushing, it he would get a
lot more. CREDIT i just think you don't get the
same amount of credit when you're a defensive. Guy and
if we all quarterbacks carrying. You when he got to The,
bills that organization. Sucked it was a. Joke The Miami,
(26:16):
dolphins they were just they weren't. Winning they hadn't won
in a long long. Time AND i think he's done a,
really really good. Job now he's had some clock. Snaffhoos
Andy reid used to have. Some now the pushback is
you Get Josh allen in your, prime it will go
to our next. Question there's a lot of pressure these
next couple of. Years if not, now then when imagine
(26:39):
you could bet whether a player would ever win A
Super bowl as a starting. Quarterback here are some rough
ODDS i came up with who would you bet on
and who is priced too low or too? High alan
is minus one fifty And Lamar jackson is plus one twenty.
FIVE i personally would have them the. SAME i would
(26:59):
probably have them both at like minus one ten because
there is a chance neither one wins a Super. BOWL
i would bet one of them does win a Super,
bowl but like there is no. Guarantee and While josh
has been a better quarterback in the, playoffs The ravens
do have the better. Team and If lamar could ever
put together against The chiefs or The bills like the
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second half that he played against The bills last, year
they would beat both those two. Teams the last two.
Years his problem was he played the first half shitty
and against The chiefs he just didn't play. Well but
if he had played well in either one of those,
games they win that game because their team is so,
Good like their roster is better than The bills roster
at least the last couple. Years we'll see as we,
transition maybe some guys take, steps BUT i would have
(27:44):
their odds as the. Same burrow plus two, Fifty i'd
have that. HIGHER i guess WHEN i say, higher like,
yeah like plus four. Hundred like DO i envision The
bengals winning A Super? BOWL i do. Not Jayde daniel
plus two, Fifty herbert plus three, hundred LIKE i would
Have herbert and BRO i might Have herbert ahead of.
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Him he's Got Jim. Harball look at What Jim harbaugh
did with the forty Nine, Ers LIKE i think The
chargers are gonna be pretty freaking good this. Year now
people are, like Middle, Cooff have you seen this fucking
guy play in the? Playoff you're, right he's got to
play better in the. Playoffs he's got to play better
in the. Playoffs but his, coach his, infrastructure THEY'RE o,
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Line they're they're gonna be. Good jordan love Cj Jared,
Goff Brock. Purdy i'd probably have Brock purty a little.
LOWER i guess if you just factor in the next several,
years i'd have him And goff about the same four
or five to. One pretty. GOOD i do think That
Lamar jackson And Josh ALLEN i would IF i was,
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Hey John Loves. Show like any market, boom there is
typically a leveling off or a recession a little after
a little. While right now we seem to be in
a bit of a salary cap, boom new international, markets
bigger television streaming deals in THE nfl simply being a
year round discussion and not a seasonal thing like a
few decades. Ago but it seems like nflgms are assuming
(31:14):
the salary cap is only going to, increase leading to
these constant record breaking. Deals should other gms be thinking
about a salary cap leveling off period or should they
continue to ride the wave and hope there is more
money in the. FUTURE i say other Because i'm An eagles,
fan and how he is definitely thinking about this because
he's the. Goat here's the difference for most of, Us,
(31:39):
right if a huge recession, Hit for, Example i'm heavily
involved in the advertising, business it would directly impact my, operation,
right and people in the podcasting, Space depending on how
big you, were what your infrastructure, was what your established history,
Was some would be better in, others just like in
(32:01):
any different industry or any walk of, life if you
have a set contract that is. Unbreakable THE nfl knows
they're getting, money, right they sign a ten year deal
at billions upon billions of. Dollars so for something to
dramatically change the companies they are in business, WITH Cbs
(32:22):
fox would basically have to go under because they would
pay THE. Nfl that'd be the last thing they would ever.
Cut they would cut every single THING. Cbs they would
get rid of everything in front of their eyes before
they stop paying THE nfl because of the importance of
THE nfl product on their. Network AND i think THE
(32:43):
nfl would, say, well if the worst case scenario, happened
BECAUSE i was taught a long time, ago nothing is for,
certain no matter what, world no matter what industry you're,
in pick up a history. Book BUT i think THE
nfl feels pretty comfid in it about at least the foreseeable,
future this next five years and then that, second that
(33:05):
contract after let's say twenty twenty, nine for the next.
Decade but if something were to, happen then, yeah it'd
be a. Problem but if you told me did a
catastrophic event that forced THE nfl salary cap to come
down in the near, FUTURE i would say we got
big problems in. SOCIETY i would, say make sure your
(33:29):
piggy bank is, full because that would be a reflection
we would be. Fucked fellow mustang here just graduated a
software engineering. Degree you are ted smarter than, me my,
friend so. Congratulations found you In collins feed huge. FAN
i went to high school with a guy whose dad
played in THE nfl for many, Years Mark. Brunner remember
(33:51):
the name or remember the player, well and he now
works as a scout for the. Team his son went
TO u dub as a. Linebacker mark also played there
and just got drafted The steelers in the seventh round
and signed his rookie. Deal all props to, him he
is an insanely hard working. Guy but my question is,
this how much could his dad have helped getting him
into college and eventually getting him, drafted given that he
(34:14):
played for both teams and is now a. Scout in other,
words how much loyalty would The steelers organization Owe mark
or would they have drafted him? ANYWAYS i would SAY
i think sometimes in, college like if you're a former
alumni and you're a FAMOUS nfl, guy you played in the.
League if your guys on the, fringe it doesn't kill
(34:36):
these programs to take him Right unlike the. Pros you
have a one hundred man. Roster if a guy's a third,
stringer who? Cares you have eighty five? Scholarships now with
nil that happens right, Now i'd have to look at
how good his son. Was you don't if The steelers
are going to draft, you you're a good player in.
College so, typically LIKE i think you're seeing it all
(35:00):
round in THE, nba in THE, NFL i don't think
it's random that Like Ron harper's kid went number, two
Even Cooper flag his parents were college basketball. Players look
at some of THESE nfl guys to get drafted all their.
Dads so genetics matter if you're gonna play in THE.
Nba if you're gonna play in THE, nfl typically you're
(35:20):
not Using john middlecoff sperm. Right So brunner like has big.
TIME i would, say LIKE nfl. Pedigree so when you
HAVE nfl pedigree and you're a starter in college and
a draftable, player that is a big bonus in the draft.
Room so even If i'm not on The, steelers IF
i had Scouted university Of, Washington i'd be, like, hey
(35:43):
hard working, guy staff loves, him been a productive. Player
he's gonna play in THE. Nfl ALTHOUGH i feel confident
that taking this guy in the sixth seventh round or
an undrafted free agent like he will be a contributing
member and have a good chance as any because a
huge part of guys in the sixth seventh round didn't make.
It it's about, Mentality it's about like to, me it's
(36:06):
a lot of the intangible. Stuff it's not as. Much
you're not getting guys in the sixth seventh round with
like typically elite. Traits so most of those guys make
it on work, ethic on, smarts on, toughness on the intangible.
Shit so The steelers would know him better than probably
(36:27):
everyone else because he's The, sun but they would not
draft him just because their dad works, There just like
a couple of years ago when The cowboys took the
running back from K state and his dad was a
scout that key could. Play you, know now do They
there is an element where human. Beings it's a cool
moment in the. Room but they liked the. Player THE
(36:48):
gm liked the. Player maybe the assistant coach liked the.
Player it's Not they're not just doing it out of
the goodness of their. Heart, hey we'll end on. THIS
i said the other, DAY i had. Downloaded it was
one of those situations WHERE i didn't check my iPad
downloads a couple of weeks, ago AND i was on
a plane and THINGS i tried to download like hadn't,
finished SO i didn't have access to. Him the only
(37:11):
THING i had on my iPad. WASN'T i had a
couple of books with, me BUT i was, LIKE i
kind of want to watch. Something was like this yacht.
SHOW i think On Amazon prime about these guys there
are like billionaires and only these like fifty one hundred
million dollars. Yachts i'm, like, Listen i'm not disputing that
these yachts look. Cool Like i'm just not a big
sit on the ocean. GUY i like even like a
boat on the, lake like going on the boat For
(37:33):
Joe burrell say, This LIKE i like going for an
hour or. Two i'm not a huge, wakeboarder have a few,
beers then come back to the. Beach you. KNOW i
like being on hard. Land i've never disputed like having
a cool ski boat or having a. Yacht it's. Cool
i'm not against anyone that aspires to do. Either BUT
i like being on the land and looking at the.
(37:54):
Water some people like being or, swimming BUT i don't
like actually being out. THERE i like Blow, deck good.
SHOW i wouldn't pay for that IF i had the.
Money WOULD i go if? Invited? Probably but that's not
really not really into. That so here's the question you
talked about the uh the intake of private equity and
(38:15):
your lack of desire to be on a fifty million dollar.
Yacht if you had crazy, money like multiple double digit,
billions what would be the crazy splurge you would want
to buy rather than a fifteen million dollar. YACHT i
Guess i'm not a splurge. Guy i'm really. Not i'd
probably buy like more assets. Now like you, said if
(38:38):
you're worth billions of, dollars you can kind of buy
whatever you. WANT i THINK i read one time that
they described like the richest human that they, knew and
the best way to describe him or that guy described
himself to them is, like essentially everything in my life is.
Free one thing for SURE i would get would be a,
plane so WHEREVER i wanted to, go oh my dog
(39:00):
could come with. ME i mean the advantage that the
ultra rich have when they travel to be able to
take you name, it not have to wait and fight
the masses at the. Airport, LISTEN i have a lot of.
Respect people get so angry at airports and. Delays it's
gotta be, difficult it really. DOES i, mean there's a
(39:21):
lot going on in those. THINGS i fucking hate. Airports
for those of you guys that travel a lot for,
work more power to. You it is just it puts
me in such a bad. Mood being in an airport.
Delays everyone's, angry, Smelly the food options. Suck they're charging
you twenty dollars for a water and you know peanuts
or eighteen. Dollars you're, like, oh kept me out of this.
(39:43):
Thing you're stuffed Into southwest like a sardine to. ME
a PLANE i would, buy if the most expensive private,
jet imagine. It LIKE i would have no hesitation doing.
That but ultimately like quote unquote, splurging Like i'm NOT
i guess Houses i'm, Into LIKE i would try to
(40:03):
buy like buildings and investing companies and do stuff like.
That but the, Yacht i'll be completely honest if you
haven't seen. It at, first WHEN i saw the thing come,
across it's like put the yacht show about like The
Poop cruise On. NETFLIX i was, Like i'm not gonna watch.
This THEN i watched a trailer, like doesn't look. Terrible
(40:25):
then we watched it when we were In tahoe one.
Night it's a good. WATCH i recommend it a cruise
and my parents used to go on. Them i've never
been on a. Cruise i'm sure some of you listening
have been on. Cruises that is not appealing to me at.
All it's not Because i'm, scared like it's gonna go
down like The, titanic but just being stuck on that
vessel with thousands of, people it's JUST i don't. KNOW
(40:49):
i love to, SWIM i love being in the. WATER
i love Like. Tahoe it's like one of my favorite
Places i've ever been in my entire. LIFE i go every,
year And i've gone my entire life very lucky just
to be born an hour and a half away from
it or. Else you, Know i've said this forever about
the acc the golf tournament going Into. Tahoe if you
notice The, kelsey's the. Mahomes these guys that are from
(41:12):
other areas of the, country then that play football in
other areas of the, country they come out here for
the first time To Lake. Tahoe they come back every
fucking year because they, like this place is like heaven On.
Earth it's, like, wait we're In, nevada meaning they're casinos
and we can gamble and we can play, golf and
there's this enormous lake, like, yeah it's pretty special. Place
(41:32):
But i'm just Not i'm not a big ocean. Guy
my good buddy of mine growing up his grandpa WHEN
i was you, know twelve to through high school like
to like deep sea. Fish successful guy had a construction.
COMPANY i remember going out with them for the first.
Time you get up at, like you, know four in
(41:53):
the morning's that you're going on a hunt or, something
and you get out there it's freezing cold here in
The Pacific. OCEAN i got so. Sick oh take this drama,
mean which is, like oh it makes you feel, Better,
well yeah kind, of but you also just go to.
Sleep i'm, like, yeah it's not a huge ocean guy
in terms of being on it on a. Boat so
that'd be a long way to describe of props to
(42:13):
anyone that enjoys yachts or even. Boats even In. TAHOE
i was talking to my, Brother i'm, like how much
BECAUSE i remember being like twenty years, ago like if
you were really, cool you had a sweet ass like wakeboard,
boat like a, skip like A. MALIBU i remember they
were a lot of money twenty plus years, ago like fifty.
Grand it's like their cost of a. CAR i was
talking To. Jeff we're having some cocktails swimming around the,
(42:35):
lake which actually was kind of cold but. Swimmable he's,
like do you know how much these things? Cost? Now
i'm like, No he's like one hundred and fifty, Grand
like that's how much a ski, boat a nice ski boat. Costs,
yeah they are not. Cheap jesus not a boat. Guy
so god speed to all you that are the volume
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