3 & Out - Reaction to Ole Miss UPSET vs. Georgia in CFB Playoff Quarterfinal - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff three
and Out podcast. It is a late late Thursday night,

(00:23):
January one, Happy New Year. Hopefully you are doing great,
enjoying life. And uh, we're gonna talk some football. I
got my guy interned, Jackson, who's now producer, Jackson who
loves college football. I said, you know what, Jackson, hop
on with me tonight and let's talk some Let's react
to what just happened today. Obviously the massive win by

(00:46):
the Ole Miss Rebels and beat the Georgia Bulldogs and
everything else that happened as well. I recorded a podcast
earlier today with Colin, so a lot of content out there.
We'll just dive right in, but make sure you subscribe
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a thing. We will be live on Saturday night recording
a podcast after the Niner Seahawks game. So some people

(01:11):
have said it's pretty big one, a lot on the line,
so we will have you covered. But let's talk to
Jackson everything that went on. Let's just let's just dive
right in that game. You know, the Lane Kiff and Saga,
Pete Golden getting the job. I think everyone you know
just found themselves obviously, you know, I'm I'm a Kirby fan.

(01:32):
How could you not be, I mean, Georgia, what he's done,
it was hard not to pull for ole Miss. And
then when you factor in the storyline of this Division
two quarterback, it looks like a right handed Michael Vick
out there, you know, and then you got Gunner Stockton.
It was it was theater, it was cinema. It was
freaking awesome. That game was an absolute delight. And listen,

(01:54):
I don't pretend to be a ole Miss historian, but
I googled they want to national championship in nineteen sixty two,
I think the last couple of years, the first time
ever they've won back to back regular seasons where they
won ten plus wins to beat the best team currently
in the SEC, the standard of the SEC in a

(02:16):
playoff game that has to be definitely of my lifetime,
probably not even a close second. The biggest win for
ole Miss and for Pete Golding to do it. As
you know, he's not the interim head coach, he is
the head coach. Him taken over with Joe Judge screwing
up the end of the half. That was I was thinking,

(02:36):
I can't imagine not loving football like watching I get
if you're watching the Oregon Texas Tech game, you're like, Okay,
this is kind of boring. That game was. It doesn't
get any better when it comes to entertainment. You know,
we were talking before we hit record. The Chicago Niner
game was just offensive fireworks. There was no defense played

(02:59):
in that game tonight. I mean, guys are getting blasted.
There were great plays on both sides. Ole Miss, who
I would say doesn't have a great defense, at least
if you watched them play the season I thought was
coming up with huge stops, were playing their ass off.
The one big D lineman batted down it felt like
seven balls. That was sweet Golding, you know, in his
first game, pretty calm and collected on the sideline. What

(03:23):
a win for all Miss. What a night for college football.
And let's face it, the number one conference for about
the last fifteen plus years. It's you could argue it's
a little down the last couple of years, given that
they haven't won a national championship. Kinda saved the day.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I just can't believe back to back years Kirby Smart
in the quarterfinal. I don't even know what his press
conference is gonna be. But I'm sure it's gonna be
just like it has been the entire week about these
first round bys one to seven back to back years
where gunnar'stock going to have more experience in a quarterfinal
game against a Division two quarterback, And it's gonna be
those two plays. The one with the fourth and three

(04:01):
on their own thirty thirty five yard line goes for it,
runs some kind of like I don't know, swing pass or.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Whatever, gets stuffed.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
And then the third and five, Chambliss is over three
hundred yards passing no timeouts, and you're gonna run man
coverage when he's been when he's been toasting, he was
befuring the entire game. Like, I don't know, that's just
head scratching to me. You obviously got to capitalize and
give credit to ole Miss, but like is being a little.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Cocky, Like I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
On God's Green Earth, why you go man coverage with
twenty seconds left on his own thirty yard line when
he's been dustiny for the entire game.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
See, I think you can rewind it. On that final
drive when they had the ball and Number fourteen had
got the Pi. He had got the holding penalty, which
they probably is a touchdown. Right if he doesn't hold
him on that that kind of that double route they ran,
he would have been wide open. They had the ball,
Ole Miss only had two timeouts, and they ran it,
and they ran it, and they called both timeouts, and

(04:55):
it was like, I think they were on like six
or seven yard line. You run the ball, you were
kicking the game tying field goal with what twenty seconds left,
I do think when you chose to pass it there
and again he had got Greedy with the fourth down.
But okay, that's in the past. You're in position at
minimum to go to overtime. You've been in this situation
way more than this other operation. Their coaching staff brand new.

(05:18):
You got Joe Judge and Golding now running the game
management and Pete's second game he's ever coached. And let's
face it, like no shade to two lane. What they
did was a heck of a season. Their coach is
now in Florida. This is a different world, and go
to overtime with them. Like to me, if you're Georgia,

(05:39):
they got Greedy on that pass, and listen, it's not like,
well the guy dropped it. I mean the DV was
right in front of them. Hell, the dB could have
caught it. I mean it was like I thought, that play,
run the ball, obviously a low percentage you're gonna score,
though you had kind of been leaning on them. Now
the stud back hurt his knee and you know Rankle
and was outill. You get stuff for no yards, kick

(06:02):
the field goal. They get the ball back twenty seconds.
Even in college football, this is in the NFL. He
kick it out of bound. Started at the twenty. I
would say, you're going to overtime? What ninety plus percent chance?
I thought he got greedy there, So when he missed
that and all of a sudden, you look, you like
fifty nine seconds. I also think Goldie did a good
job the first play on that drive. He didn't want

(06:25):
to risk like an incompletion, and then all of a sudden,
go like three and out with like thirty five maybe
even forty seconds. Punt it. They'd have three timeouts because
you know he's going to try to pass. They ran
it on the first play. It was actually sneaky good
clock management because even if that play you're talking about
on the one on one coverage on the outside. Let's
say that never happens and they just you know, run

(06:46):
five six seconds and they have to punt it. There
was still like it would have been under thirty seconds,
you would have still listen. It would have been tough.
They had three timeouts, but they kind of manipulated a
little bit. I thought, I thought, got he's greedy a lot, rightfully,
so right he runs a fake punt, he's got balls.
But I also think there's a balance of being reckless,

(07:09):
and I thought, like God, I would have ran the ball.
There be a little conservative. I think some of these
guys you see it with Dan Lanning a lot like
going for it all the time, Like Dan, this is
a low scoring game, like points matter, and I just
think you're in this mindset, we can score, we can
score it. Well, what if you don't. And Ole Miss,
who is not exactly known as like some defensive juggernaut

(07:29):
in the SEC, made some big play tonight And you
can't expose their dbs as much, you know, on the
six seven yard line as you can if it was
at the thirty yard line, because the one guy was
getting you know, spun like a dradle. So to me,
that's one Kirby. I think you run the hell kneel
the ball and just run the clock out and play

(07:50):
for overtime. That that because you gave the ball back
with this guy red hot with sixty seconds left.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, And I mean, I don't know if I'm more
shocked if you would have told me too years ago
that Indiana is going to the semifinals and beat Alabama,
or that a Division two quarterback would beat Kirby Smart
in the quarterfinal with a quarterback that's played the entire year,
played really well. You got two quarterbacks playing backyard football,
and for him to throw over three hundred yards, which
we all thought, including myself after that SEC Champion of game,

(08:17):
that the Georgia's defense was back.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
George is playing better. This is the Georgia defense we
all expected.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
And for that entire second half, it was like they
could not adjust to the passing game and it felt
like not only the passing game, but it was just
scrambling the off script the backyard football.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
And that's where you give Trinidad Chambis.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
We're texting the group chat, it's like, yeah, he made
that throw probably a bajillion times playing Division two football,
just rolling out to his right throwing it at his helmet.
I don't know if he's an NFL prospect, but if
that guy can get an extra year of eligibility for
Chambliss and what he's done coming in in that Kentucky
game when all the pressure, all this stuff was on
Austin Simmons and he was gonna be the next quarterback
and he gets hurt and Chanlis comes in.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I remember the day where cham was got a signed for.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Ole Miss and it was like, Oh cool, some cute
Farris State transfer eight hundredth ranked transfer, sixtieth ranked transfer
portal quarterback, Like you talk about Signetti and what his
impact is in terms of portal recruiting. This has opened
up the not even the fcs of the Division two
people looking like, hey, why don't I go get this
fair State quarterback. Not saying'sna make the impact of Chambliss,

(09:17):
but at cheaper price, lower risk, high reward, you end
up going to the semi finals with this guy.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's unbelievable. I think it's one of the coolest stories
in the early part of the transfer portal era. It
will happen again. It's inevitable. This used to happen in
the NFL. I mean it still kind of does not
as often and won't any more than transfer Portal era.
But like I bet if you go back to you know,
the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, these guys from obscure

(09:43):
schools becoming star players, you know D two players or
D one double A players. Well, Steve McNair I think
was a D one double A player at Alcorn State,
you know, went on to win the MVP. That situation
is just not gonna have as much because now Steve
McNair after a year would be at Alabama or would

(10:04):
be at Techa and m or something, and you know Chambliss.
I mean, I would say that that was as much
fun as I've had watching it. And I would say
Gunner stock to too. The way he played, he was
like a slower version, but you know, kind of got
a little Johnny Manzeld to his game. I mean the
one hit he took that that's as heart of a

(10:24):
hit in the pros or college as you will ever
see anymore. And it was a legal hit. The guy
led with his shoulder hit him kind of like in
his chest plate. He almost did, you know, a full
summer assault in the air and there's no way he
remembers scoring on the next play when he just I
just think they pushed him in. He might not remember
the rest of the game. But the Trinidad, I don't

(10:46):
think most people, a lot of casual fans came in,
a lot of people that probably watch more NFL maybe
than college or watching this game at home and are going,
who is this guy? I mean his physical skills, you know,
his arm strength, his accuracy, his mobility, his poise. I
mean the throw he made on like you said that
third and five, how one if he leads them, maybe

(11:10):
the guy can tackle him, but he kind of let
him in and maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe might
could have been a slight miss. It actually worked out
better throwing it a little inside because he could kind
of turn it up and gain I don't know what
he gained an extra ten to fifteen yards after he
caught the ball. My jaw dropped when he completed that
pass because you were like, they won the game, because

(11:33):
the field goal kickers in this game. Turns out they
got like, I don't know two Adam van Teri's I'm speechless.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
And then you go to the flip side of things
that the portal opens up tomorrow. So it's like, you
have your offensive coordinator, you got all these other coaches
that are kind of playing the two sides of LSU
and Old Miss, and you got to play in the
semi finals next week. You got Lane Kiffin tweet about
he's excited for portal day. Eve Like, I don't know
the insights of how much influenced Charlie Weisse had in
terms of the portal. Maybe he kind of looks over, Hey,

(12:02):
these are some guys that declared early that I like,
I don't know the influence and how much he has
compared to the scouting department, compared to the general manager,
even Lane Kiffin. But that's another added element. But for
Lane Kiffen, how much did he make tonight? A million
dollars two hundred thousand dollars for not even coaching tonight?
Like that agreement to it too is kind of weird
how you can't coach your team.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
What was that? Was Ole Miss gonna still pay him
or was it LSU gonna pay him the Ole Miss bonus? Yeah,
Ole Miss agreed.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Ale Mis agreed to pay all the CFP payouts and
they continue to win. I think he made two hundred
thousand when they won the first game, Mike Double, who
knows twohundred fifty thousand. I haven't checked Twitter or whatever,
but that's kind of a weird. I don't know how
that came to an agreement. I don't know if it
was one or the other, but that's kind.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Of like it. It was the big you know, financially,
a couple hundred grand to him at this point means
nothing but the outcome of the game. I actually think
he's a big loser tonight because I didn't think this
was possible, not in a million year. I thought they
would beat Georgia. I just thought the defense would let
him down. Obviously, their defense made enough plays in the quarterback,

(13:06):
and the offense was incredible, and that they had a
i don't know, spark, a juice of momentum to them
all game long. I thought they played really well tonight.
They just had a Lacey fumble that was a disaster.
The end of the half situation where the kid stays
in bounds, I mean he crushed Joe, Judge and I
get it, and listen, I used to make fun. You know,

(13:28):
before you guys were part of this podcast. You know,
Joe Judge was an easy target. That's just like football
one oh one, Like it is a little bit on
the player, especially both guys. The route they ran, there
was a guy on each side sitting like, you know,
three or four yards past the line of scrimmage. They
have to be like he if he dumps it down,
just go right out of bounds. I put that a
little bit more on the player. I'm sure they've practiced

(13:50):
that situation, you know, back with Lane. But this you
beat Georgia, now you're in the semi finals. I think
it's a double whammy one. It's a remarkable accomplishment for
the post Lane Kiff and Ole miss like Pete gets
the credit for tonight right he beat He had this
group ready to beat Georgia. And I think this adds

(14:11):
now pressure, which there already was a ton on Lane,
Like you better be in the final four. I don't
know within like the next two years or or or
like we're gonna have problems. And I texted you guys,
we'll see what actually plays out. I do wonder now
you beat Georgia, that was the equivalent like when Indiana

(14:34):
beat Ohio State. Like turns out Indiana just might win
the whole thing, but there's season at that moment was
kind of made for like program history, Like this is
a program historic moment for Ole Miss. I wonder if
all the all the cats that you've kind of been
letting do both roles. And there have been articles written
that it's a bizarre situation, you know, it's it's not
like Oregon where everyone's cool with each other. This is

(14:56):
a situation where it's like, are some of these guys rogue?
I do wonder if they say, like, just stay and
stay in Louisiana. You guys are done, and that includes Charlie,
who I've read quotes Pete likes him, but it would
not shock me at all. Off in the next twenty
four hours, Old Miss basically announces like all the holdover
guys are not back and we're just rolling with the

(15:19):
group we got Pete's guys. I think they've added, like
who was the interim for LSU they hired him, you know,
because I think his name not Frank Smith, Frank Brown.
I mean what, Yeah, Well, there was a Penn State guy,
and there was an LSU guy, and they have sent
Terry Smith was then state guy, and he stayed at
Penn state, this guy who was like a Louisiana legend

(15:41):
is coming to Ole Miss. My guess would be if
I ran Ole Miss and I was Pete, I'd be like, hey,
if you want to kick them all out, We're just
we'll just roll like our season. I think their season.
Obviously you're at the final four. You want the whole
whole thing. I think it was the whole Lane Kiffin thing.
If your old miss, you feel like you won tonight,

(16:02):
like you won this, it felt weird, it felt like
you got screwed, and now it feels like you kind
of won the divorce in the short term at least,
and you go, well, when's he gonna make the funnel
for I think the assumption, too, was that Trinidad Chambliss,
if he could get a waiver because of an injury
head in twenty twenty two, that he was gonna leave
Ole Miss and go to LSU.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
You win a game like this with I don't know
they're gonna build him a statue, I mean, biggest winning
program history.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't know how he decides to leave.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
If he does get that opportunity to play another season,
who knows. Maybe Lane Kimpan has other opportunities. Maybe he's
got a vision to go to Soresby or go to
Sam Levit or.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
But he's a lot of quarterbacks to make a decision
right now in the next couple of days, right, yeah, actually,
so he could easily just kind of be forced. He
I can't wait to sign a guy, and hopefully I was.
If Chambliss had even got the opportunity in one tonight
to go to LSU, that would suck. And I've never
been anti LSU, but I'm kind of I wouldn't mind
seeing Lane like have a little struggle, you know, after

(16:58):
the night like that was that was just like a
very I want to say organic. I mean, they steal
a bunch of guys in the transfer portal too, but
that was a really kind of pure college like that
was badass. You know, that was bad because Indiana historically,
My wife was saying tonight, She's like, let's root for
the underdog Indiana. I'm like, well, Maria, they are a

(17:19):
touchdown favorite in this game. Like, yeah, historically Alabama is
the most national championships. This is the losing his program.
But currently Indiana is favored big in this game. People
expect them to win. They just beat Ohio State. They're
really good, and then they won thirty eight to three,
and once you watch that game, you're like, yeah, it
wasn't even that close. Were this I mean, there couldn't

(17:42):
have been many people in the South in the SEC honestly,
probably around Old Miss. It felt good about going into
this game that we were going to beat Georgia, right,
and then you beat him in the fashion in which
you beat him. I think that's part of it too.
They were up ten points in the second half. That
would have been cool just to like win the game
by ten right when it like forty to thirty two

(18:02):
or whatever. To be down or tied late and get
the ball back and drive in that moment by by
Trinidad was badass. That that was. That was sick. And
listen if now, Anthony Richardson and Trey Lance, some of
these guys are a lot bigger, right, they're taller. I
don't know how tall Trinidad is, but I think he's

(18:23):
like five to eleven, right. So part of being a
good NFL prospect is not necessarily like what you do
in college. It's a lot about attributes and physical traits
and whether that's right or wrong. We could argue till
we're blue in the face. A lot of times it
is wrong. And I'm not saying just because those guys
went in the top five, he's goin to go in
the first round. My point is we have seen guys

(18:45):
all the time get way over drafted in the first round.
This guy's can get drafted in the NFL, right, That's
that's my point. I don't know how high. If he
didn't want to come out now he could, he'd probably
be a third day pick because he's really short, and
I think we're gonna trend away from short quarterbacks. But
he can get drafted now. He I would want to

(19:06):
come back and make four million dollars to be the
old miss quarterback and pays more than being a six
round pick. But he's gonna you do that tonight on
that stage and what he's done all season long in
the SEC, He's gonna get a shot in the in
the NFL, even if he's on the practice squad for
a while, like he changed Listen and Lane and Charlie
Weis deserve credit. There's a story where I think Charlie

(19:27):
Weiss was watching him in the recruiting office or like
in his office with some recruiting guys and they called
Lane like, you got to check this guy out, and
within like an hour they'd offer him a scholarship, which
and he wasn't even supposed to be the starter, right
because Austin Simmons, who got hurt. He comes in and
I heard someone that covers Old Miss said, I think
in the spring game he had like five drives for

(19:50):
five touchdowns. People like, damn, who's this guy? But it
wasn't What were you saying was the eight hundredth transfer portal? Yeah,
fifty fourth transfer, sixtieth rank transfer port It's the coolest,
like we have seen bo Nicks or guys that were
like discounted go on to resurrect their career. He was

(20:11):
also like a five star, four star in Auburn. You know,
this is by far, so far the coolest. This is
up there with like Jared Verse from Albany going to
Florida State now being like one of the best players
in the NFL. But it's also different at quarterback and
Jared Verse because his quarterback I injured, didn't even get
a chance to make the fun of four. Right, that's

(20:31):
part you know that when you factor it all in
I would put this right up there with Verse and
now Albany as being the coolest transfer portal story so far.
Now Verse gets drafted in the top twenty, right, so
it's he was clearly like, God, this guy's sweet. This
guy's not gonna go in the first round. But man,
what A what a moment? What a that was a

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Speaker 2 (22:51):
Because now this is back to back years where you
lose in the quarterfinal with a big break two Division
two quarterback and their defense looked a lot better towards
the back end in the season. I'm gonna get some
of their defensive guys. The only real guy that's gonna
get drafted highest CJ. Allen, their linebacker. But for the
most part, I thought their defensive line was pretty weak
compared to what you see from the other Georgia days.
They kind of looked like the defense that they played

(23:13):
the first time against Ole Miss, and then they got
a possession late in that game. I think, you know,
Turnidad Chamis obviously looked a lot more shaken up in
that big moment versus tonight. He looked like he was
like another Division two game that he was playing in,
especially after Ohio State losing last night. You know, you
had the upset. I mean Oregon one and Indiana one, Like,
I don't know where you go from here. For Kirby Smart,

(23:34):
you got a lot of talent offensively, but that defense,
you're a defensive guy like that. You did make some
dumb calls. Maybe it's not maybe it's too big of
an overreaction. You're maybe two or three plays away. They
just won the SEC.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think we have to look at the playoffs a
little bit closer, like the NCAA tournament. You can have
an unreal year. You have one bad game in the
round of thirty two or the sweet sixteen, you just
get bounced. You know, before three four years ago, there's
four teams in and they're one of the four teams,
and losing in that, you know, of one of those

(24:06):
first two games doesn't feel as bad as losing in
the eight. So it's it's just gonna feel bad. You know.
It's like that's part of the that's part of what
playoffs is so cool. You know, it happens in the
NFL all the time. A two or three seed will
lose to a six or seven seed. The Cowboys a
couple of years ago, they get rolled by the Packers,

(24:29):
right as as the seventh seed, Well that's that's football.
Eli Manning won a couple of Super Bowls as a
wild card. You know, that's it's just gonna happen more
and more now. I know everyone the you know, whatever
they won in seven in the by games, you're gonna
have part of the playoffs. You're gonna have good matchups, right,
I mean, that's just part of the deal. Like Texas Tech,

(24:51):
I have no problem with them getting to like they
drew Oregon. That's you know, these guys ole Miss just
went eleven and one in the SEC. Like they're pretty good, right,
I mean that's It's not like they weren't a twenty
point underdog here. They got a lot of good players.
I mean, if Lane Kiffen would have stayed, let's say
he never leaves the LSU, maybe this doesn't feel as crazy.

(25:16):
I mean, shit, they almost beat him in the Rails season.
I remember we were all text about it when that
game was ole Miss. That game was at Georgia. They
were beating him like in the fourth quarter and then Trinidad.
And that's what was cool about tonight is in that
game he kind of imploded, and tonight I was like,
I'm fine, I'm ready for this moment. I wonder if
you look back at that game between the hedges, if

(25:38):
it kind of like, you know, calloused him a little bit.
He was just more poised, more like I can I
can do this. Because he melted a little bit in
that moment. He did, and he not only didn't melt tonight,
he I don't know, became a college football legend, which
is awesome. I mean, that's that's the cool part about

(25:58):
college sports, and that's you know, watching like the the halftime.
It's like Tim Tebow. Now, I'm not comparing Trinidad to
Tim Tebow, but like you don't have to go on
to have a great NFL career. I've heard Trinidad like
he's really impressive, like he could be part of this operation,
like be an SEC guy for a long time. Matt

(26:21):
Lioner and Brady Quinn are the go to guys for Fox. Right,
they were first round picks, but they're college football legendary individuals,
got Notre Dame at SC. And it's like now he
is entrenched kind of in that world the rest of
his life if he wants to, you know, if his
NFL career. I don't watch much CFL football, but I

(26:41):
feel like he could say I'd say the same, Diego Pavia.
I feel like those guys would dominate up there.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Diego Pavia, Tommy Costiano's Trinidad Chambliss. I mean, sign me
up for some CFO football with those two three.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Guys mobile quarterbacks moving around.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Were you more shocked Ole Miss winning tonight or Miami
beating Ohio State?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Uh? More shocking tonight? Because when you watch Miami playoffhouse state.
You're like, Miami has like probably seven eight guys are
gonna get drafted this year. They have, I don't know,
one of the best teams money can buy. I had
a scouting buddy text me. He's like, Bro, you don't
understand how much money this team is spending right now

(27:24):
in this roster. Not that Old Miss doesn't spend anything,
but you know, I don't expect Old Miss to beat Georgia.
When you watch Miami, you're like, well, the players are
the same, and one big difference in that game. I
thought Carson Beck was a lot better than saying. Saying
had a couple drives in the second half, but he
was getting rattled. He was I heard one of the

(27:45):
guys on on three say, you know, his five sacks
he lost forty two yards, So on average, he's losing
over eight yards of sack. Why he's going backwards when
he gets pressure or Carson. It's not like they weren't
getting pressure on Carson. He just went forward. And some
of the times he ran and some of the times
he just would run into a throw. He would it

(28:05):
just he would step up in the pocket. Well, for
five four years or whatever, because you forget he was
the backup to Stetsan Bennett. So who do you think
was running scout team against Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, all
those guys that he just has way more. You watch
Carson Beck obviously, these two quarterbacks tonight compared to like

(28:26):
Ty and Fernando compared to Ty Simpson and saying it
was now saying, or, I mean, Simpson's clearly banged up
and he's just He's probably just a guy, and I
doubt he ever starts again at Alabama. Now that other
guy's in, you would imagine he's a starter next year.
But like saying, like, is that as good as you
can do with Ohio State. I know he's a big
recruit and he comes from Alabama, but I don't know.

(28:49):
I mean, I it's not exactly CJ Shroud back there.
And the other thing is last time Ohio State lost
like that two years ago, Ryan and they blamed it
all on Kyle McCord. Remember it was like Kyle McCord
is not good enough? Can they lost to Michigan And
then he went to Syracuse and was awesome. And obviously

(29:09):
they went to Will Howard who brought like uh Riley
Leonard was the same kind of deal. They brought this
like physical running presence and saying does not even I
didn't realize Carson Beck did really but last night he's
like fuck it how many times? I mean he ran
over guys. You know you saw the two quarterbacks tonight
like they were not you got to play this game

(29:30):
like it's John l Way in the Super Bowl, like helicoptering,
and some guys did it, and some guys are kind
of hesitant to do it. And maybe I mean saying
really can't run. But I mean, I think the quarterback
play when you watch teams that won, I mean, Mendoza
was really good, but they were killing him. But he
was like you compare Mendoza to saying it wasn't even

(29:52):
it's or I mean ty Simpson wasn't even close. Dante Moore,
I thought, was he kind of hit or missed today?
But compared to that quarterback who actually felt bad for
were making fun of because I saw his postgame press conference.
He was crying. He's like loves the Red Raiders, but
he was that was atrocious. That was that he couldn't
have been much worse at one point in times like
thirteen nothing You're like, they're in the red zone. He

(30:13):
throws a pick. The guy didn't even needed to jump.
He's like, is this serious? So quarterback obviously, line of
scrimmage play is a big deal. We talked about that
with Miami and Indiana. But your your quarterback play then
has to thrive behind it. Mendoza thrived, was just dominant.
Carson Beck I thought, I don't I know his numbers,
Like he didn't throw for three hundred yards. I think

(30:34):
he was like one hundred and forty. I thought he
was excellent. And I've always been a hater, but I
was like, that's he played a big time winning football
game then. And both the quarterbacks to night like, it's
not Gunnar Stockton's fault. They lost. He was he was
getting killed. He was he was good. He's gotten way
better than the guy that I thought, or like he's
a good player. Like you said, their defense used to

(30:57):
be a lot more dominant. But what they mentioned and
you were saying this about your big Notre Dame fan,
well they're starting center at Indiana is from Notre Dame.
And I started thinking, like why would he leave Notre Dame?
And it's like, well, because the guy he replaced is
coming back and he was gonna start. We'll think about it.
So Notre Dame like a Georgia, like a Texas, like
an Oregon. They used to go too deep with like start.

(31:20):
Georgia used to have back Jalen Carter, you know, Jordan David.
They were going too deep with guys like that, mikel
Williams Walker. I mean they Walker's like backing up Nolan Smith,
you know, and they rotating in with these guys well
as the transfer portal. Sometimes guys are loyal and some
guys are like, well do I want to get ten

(31:41):
to twenty snaps? That's Kirby's big thing. We have the
most guys in the SEC that play minimum, you know,
seven to ten snaps a game, which sounds great. But
the guy's like, well, I could play forty snaps at Vanderbilt,
or I could play I could be a starter at
Old Miss or Hey, Kurt Signetti called me and says, hey,
you'll be my starting tight end instead of my rotating

(32:02):
tight end behind Brock Bauers or whoever the guy is
now and those guys leave now right because it's it's
not just money, which obviously factors in but I bet
a lot of these schools like, we'll pay you too,
but it's like I'm gonna get paid and start. That's
the hard thing to me is that's changed college football.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
That's why I think Oregon kind of gets a little
benefit of the doubt too because Dan Lanning plays a
lot of guys and they're all young. So yes, like
you might not get the amount of reps as you
would get out of their school, but if you're rotating,
you have an opportunity to win a championship like most
I used the retention rate for them for Notre Dame.
We'll see what Georgia happens after this night. But I
feel like the retention rate is some of those higher
schools because they know how long the postseason in, how

(32:42):
long I'm gonna how many games you play, They're not
as prone to get a lot of guys to leave
as well. It's not a good example, but Iowa State
they lost a ton of guys because of their coach.
But you know what I mean, Like, I feel like
the retention rate on some of those bigger schools versus
kind of the medium power for schools that just only
especially offensive line. I mean, you're only playing five guys,
You're not rotating offensive line unless they get hurt.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
So exactly. So I bet if you went to some
of like Sabans great teams, his backup offensive linemen were
ten year NFL pros, which is gonna be harder if
that guy has to wait till his red shirt sophomore year.
So it's like, wait, you want me to not play
for two seasons. I think a lot of guys you
get paid as a true freshman whatever. By the time
you get to a red shirt freshman year, you're like,

(33:24):
I'm a five star and I'm clearly not starting this year.
Then you started thinking that's where I think things come
into play, and you're getting screamed at all the time
in practice or Dan Lanning. Part of it is like
they're just young, Like they are just playing a bunch
of high school kids, right Like did you hear the
stat today that I think they had twenty four touchdowns

(33:44):
from freshmen that led the country. So part of it
was he had transitioned to all his high school recruits,
like it feels a little less transfer portally on his team,
and same with Georgia, like they're gonna be very recruiting
heavy because they're gonna recruit the best play. That's the
thing with USC, right, they're like a number one recruiting

(34:05):
class in the country. Well, I mentioned this to Coward tonight. Well,
Lincoln's got a lot of pressure next year. How many
of those guys are gonna help you compete to win
ten games next year and be in the playoffs? Best
case scenario of a twenty man class five that seems
very bold, and if it doesn't go well, maybe a
guy gets injured two So it's actually that would have

(34:27):
been a big deal in two thousand and seven. It's like, damn,
a couple of years, this team is gonna be stacked.
I don't think it matters as much anymore, right, unless
you're Dan Lanning or Kirby and you don't have like
year to year pressure. So I think it's a hard ballot.
There's not a right or wrong answer. I mean, Lane
Kiffen was the transfer portal king. I mean, how many
guys that were playing tonight did not come to Old

(34:48):
Miss out of high school? Right? A lot, because he's
not getting the bet, He's not getting a player out
of high school that he thinks can't beat Alabama. Georgia
Florida to LSU. Well, now he's at you know what
I mean, when he was at Ole Miss. So he's like,
I'll just go to the transfer portal and get Walter Nolan,
get you know whoever, and that's how I'm gonna compete.

(35:12):
So I there's not a right or wrong way to
do it, but I think big picture, you gotta recruit well,
but then you've got to keep those guys around. It's
it's a hard It's what what's why all these guys
are bitching a moaning because the roster retention. How many
guys over the next forty eight hours gonna be like,
I've re signed with the team I've already been at
that I've played for the last two years. It's like, well, yeah,

(35:34):
I thought so. So it's it's a it's a weird deal.
And that's why I think he watched Georgia. They're just
not quite the same that they don't have the same
pop were Indiana. Man, how many transfer portal guys do
they nail? Now? A lot of those guys are jam
you guys that he brought and Mendoza. I've seen a
lot of like why weren't more Mendoza's brother was on

(35:54):
the team, so his family had a Is it fair
to say a unique relationship with Shanahan? I think is
the OC no relation and Signetty, who's an offensive guy,
so it's it probably wasn't a normal recruitment, and Mendoza
I don't think was viewed as some potential top ten
pick at this time last year when people like oh,

(36:16):
Indiana got the cow quarterback cool, you know so I
and I mean the story obviously denight of that game,
but the Indiana game, I mean they clearly there is
Mendoza's better than Beck, and their wide receiver group is deeper.

(36:37):
I mean, they got three guys you feel really good about,
and their running backs good, and their defense is incredible.
I would say they feel like the most complete team,
and clearly Miami feels like that. The way they can
dominate the line of scrimmage if Beck plays well, they
can beat anybody in a low scoring game. Oregon kind
of feels like a year away, you know, ole miss

(37:02):
I would probably bet on them to kind of run
out of juice, though I don't want to kind of,
you know, pee on their parade here. Every time you
keep doubting them.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
They just keep winning too, so they have that bulletin
war material link iff and leaving where it's like, yeah,
I agree with you. Like we were talking before, like
you know, how is Miami's defensive line going to do
against Chambliss. Most likely their defensive line is going to
dominate ole Miss's offensive line. Well, I'm like, well, I
don't know if Baye and messadorill be able to catch Chambliss.
If he's running around like that for the amount of
time the four quarters of the motor he didn't even

(37:30):
seem tired for the entire game, and then you got
the scrambling drone. The connections that you have offensively, I
mean they are a team. I mean I could see
them obviously beat Miami. But the fact that we always
talk about Cinderella's and you know, some people have gripe
about the Group of five, It's pretty cool to see
these two teams ole Miss in Miami. The storylines between
those like those are the kind of storylines. Those are

(37:52):
the underdogs that we wanted powerful.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I do think, and I've saw some tweets about Cinderella's.
This it's a lot different in the world were in though, right,
I mean Indiana has the number one overall pick who
they just could pick up off another team. They're landing
the center from Notre Dame. It's like, well, who's your center, Well,
we just needed one. We picked up one guy from
Notre Dame. It's it's that, you know, basketball, Cinderellas are well,

(38:19):
some little ass school beats Kentucky. That's insane. Indiana beating
like they were a touchdown favorite in the game on
a neutral site and a quarter in You're like, is
this should have been more right? And oh miss? How
many guys they have drafted last year? I mean they

(38:41):
had I think the most guys drafted they've had in
the top ten since like the Hugh Freeze, Laramie Tunzel
Treadwell kind of that group. So it's it's there. They
just went eleven and one in the SEC. So I
think the Cinderella when it comes to the power for
teams even though they're not household names. And that's what

(39:01):
threw me off about Indiana. I just kept thinking, Indiana,
they're just no different than they might as well be,
like you know sc Or twenty years ago, right or
Ohio State. You know, they're just they're just really really good,
and the top teams, because they're losing guys, aren't as dominant.

(39:21):
That's part of it. I do think it would be
harder for all these teams to beat some of the
prime heyday, you name it right. Miami teams are early
two thousands Pee Carroll teams, Florida teams, Alabama teams because
they every player was a pro and their backups were pros.
Now you watch like, oh this guy got injured. You
kind of look at the face of the coach. They're like,

(39:41):
oh shit, and that that's that used to not be
the case because bam was like, Okay, so and So's out.
The backup is like Derrick Henry, you know, backups, Xavier McKinney, backups.
You know Dante hight Tower. Yeah, he's a recherd freshman.
He's gonna be pretty good player. That's I think it's
much more of a coin flip. Now the depth of

(40:03):
the Blue Blue Chippers, and if Indiana or some of
these schools can stay healthy, their starting players are really
high caliber. Like if Indiana's players all win in the
portal tomorrow, let's say they were done playing. Let's say
that their signetti just left. I think all the good
teams would want all their players, right, So that's where

(40:25):
I think the Cinderella thing like part of it is, well,
how's Boise State even this good because it was crazy
fifteen to twenty years ago. To me, it's not crazy
like it would have been crazy if JAMU or two
Lane like rattle off a couple wins and I don't
think it's even possible. But like ole Miss, I watched
ole Miss almost beat George at Georgia. You know we've

(40:45):
seen Indiana. I mean, Indiana's last two wins are against
Ohio State and Alabama. Ohio State game was tough, but
today was not. And they kicked the crap out of them,
kick the crap out of them even worse. Like what
was the final score? Oregon twenty three nothing? But Texas
Tech was kind of in that game, I mean zero
six surnaments. Yeah, and then it was thirteen nothing and

(41:07):
they had the ball in the red zone. If they
scored a touchdown, there's thirteen to seven. That not saying
Oregon was obviously the better team. But what Indiana did
today was whoa. They felt like the best team in
the country. Because even Miami you watch him, how many
how many wide receivers do you really I mean the

(41:28):
freshman kids a baller, but I think wide receivers kind
of hit or miss. You know, the running back Fletcher,
who's really coming on. I was listening to someone say
he got a Liz Frank two years ago, his true
freshman year in the Bowl game. So last year he
wasn't quite the same. He's kind of getting it back now.
So in a weird way, he was a well known

(41:48):
guy a couple of years ago. A little it feels
a little under the radar throughout the season. He's obviously
playing well right now. These last couple of games make
it some big runs. I mean he was a horse
in that Ohio State game. I thought down stretch, especially
that final drive. But I would guess Miami. I don't know.
You know, it's not public like the NFL, but I

(42:09):
think the pay rolls on these four teams were all
relatively you know, they're all spending a lot of money.
They even mentioned tonight, like Signetty got them to spend
a lot of cash on this team. He got him
to spend some money last year. But he got a
little lucky because he got the jam. You guys, I
think this year they uped the budget.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And it shows at least for each I would probably
maybe the lowest.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Would be Indiana. But and what's crazy about Indiana? And
even SIGNETI was like, Yeah, he's our best defensive player,
the guy that high five the dude after the game
broke his leg after the Ohio State game, the defensive
the defensive lineman. That's I. I thought something like that.
I'm like, I don't know if they have the depth.
Didn't even notice today.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
That's what I think the hardest part with these games.
Today you're talking about Cinderells or whatever is with all
this new change in college football, we almost have to
reset our thoughts on all of these schools in like
a two year window instead of like twenty years twenty
five years going on college football.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Because you're right, like Ole Miss has a lot of stuts.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But in terms of like seeing the stats and seeing
it's the betting lines or whatever, you're like, oh, well,
Georgia quarterfinals, like rematch again, playing well down the stretch
like of course they're gonna win. And then you get
upset like that and you're like whoa, Like how did
that happen? But when in reality, Yeah, they have a
stud running back, they have a really talented quarterback, and
they played better on that night. And then on the
flip side of things like Indiana, Yeah, I agree with you.

(43:45):
I think I think Indiana is probably the most complete.
I just don't know Unders. I don't understand how you
stopped their offense with Mendoza. If they're running that rpo,
you got multiple running backs, three really solid receivers all
scored today, like Charlie Becker's coming on as a sophomore.
It's really strong hands, catching, catching contact. Like I agree,
I mean what Signetti's done. I mean you followed this
for for a while, obviously longer than I have, But

(44:06):
I feel like he is gonna set a lot of
pressure on a lot of these other coaches. What seven
or eight new coaches that just got hired, not say
to the level of Signetti, but hey, like you have
two three years if they can.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Back them up with nil money.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I don't know what Chesney's gonna do at UCLA or
somewhere all at Florida or Auburn with Golish, but it
feels like the you gotta, you gotta, you gotta click
early and on top of that. The portal quarterback position too.
The quarterback position is gonna be a quick window as well.
Like Morton in Texas Tech, they're thinking today, like, Okay,
we could have definitely spent money at the quarterback position,
but we were loyal to this guy for four to

(44:40):
five years. He crumbled under pressure. They're gonna spend ten
million dollars tomorrow. And then you look at Indiana, they
hit on Mendoza obviously, Like I feel like the quarterback
window and the coaching window is just gonna be like
a two three year thing. And then Tys Simpson at
Alabama where a couple of years ago, oh yeah, it
was his first year. Like he's had some starts, he
had some he had some highs, he had some lows, whatever,
that back end of the stretch. And you got a

(45:01):
five star freshman that's that's Cinnerario behind him. That's your guy,
and that's not Saban's guy. Like you have those conversations.
I just think it's pretty interesting, you know, the portal
quarterback window, the quarterback window, and the coaching window based
on Signetti and some of these transfer guys that are
just excelling so fast.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
That's why I think everyone in la is so mad
at Lincoln Riley and his comments after the game about
like the windows open. Now look at today. Lanning took
over a way better. They got hired at the same time.
Mario left the cupboards full like there were a lot
of players there. But four years later. I don't know,
they're not the best because they haven't won a national
championship I think ever, but they're clearly a what top

(45:38):
three program in the country right now he has them.
He took over. They were damn good. He's taken. They're
just elite. I mean, they're just they just need to
win an Natty and then you won't be able to
say anything, kind of like Kirby. It was like clear
Kirby was unreal, but he had to win the Natty
to really just be like, okay, leave me alone. And
so Lanny's just and he might not do it this year,
but I think he's gonna do in the next couple
of years. Right, they're an elite programs. Okay, he took

(46:00):
over an easier thing. Well, look at Mario. Well, if
Mario got the job and they hired Landing, they got
hired at the same time. Same with same with Lincoln
right of the same cycle. Four years later, Mario has
them rattling off two excellent victories to go on the
road in A and M and that win against Ohio
State was fantastic, and just you just watch the way
their team's built. So it's like, if you do have money,

(46:23):
you got to dominate the portal. You gotta be on
the right guys, you got to value the right things.
You got to hire the right defensive coaches. Miami was
terrible on defense last year, weren't they the Jade and
Daniels version of LSU? Like there was a jam Dam's
version of LSU. Unreal offense, terrible defense. And then the
next year is cam Ward, same thing. Their offense was
incredible and their defense is terrible. Now you watch them,

(46:45):
their defense is dominant. It's like Jesus, all these guys
are hitting like NFL players, And listen, people make fun
of Mario. He's has some devastating losses. He clearly is
like an unreal GM and he's a tough guy, and
they just like you just kind of felt if he
didn't really have to make any crazy game management calls. Uh,
but I was. I think all these guys have have done.

(47:10):
I mean, this is a big you know, people thought
Landing was a star, so him being in the final
four is not shocking. You know, Signetty really shut everyone
up once he beat Ohio State. I think people like, damn,
he's really good. Uh. Clearly he's making like ten million
dollars a year. Uh you know, Pete Golding, it's his
first big win of his life.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
So I mean he's well, see did you see that
he didn't even want to be the head coach. He
kind of like they told him, like some other guys
he was targeting, and he was like, no, I don't
want to work under those guys. I'll be the head coach.
And now he's the head coach and he just beat Georgia.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Unbelievable. I think Mario is I don't think. I just
think it's pretty crazy because a lot of people think
Mario's not that good of like a not a good
coach because he's good with offensive line, he's a good recruiter.
People like him, but like in game, people think he
sticks in the last couple of games, like, well he
just I watched him just work Ryan Day. So it's

(48:00):
just a really big moment. That's why let's let's look
ahead at these two games. Uh, you know, Indiana. I
think the game open at three and a half is
now four. I'm not gonna sleep on Oregon. Their games
are a little weird, like today was just a little weird.
You No, Dante Moore, I don't think played great relative

(48:21):
to like some of these other quarterbacks you're watching. Well,
still way better than the guy they rolled out in
Oregon's defense is good. They have so many good players.
I do think that game is gonna be a little harder.
I think a lot of people are just gonna hammer Indiana,
which I don't think is crazy to'll totally understand. I
could just see this is a pretty you know, Dan Lannings,
king of like the raw Ros Beaches, a lot of

(48:43):
those are as, he's a big favorite. It's like, damn,
he's pulling some crazy like kind of lines out and
he's typically like a lot of these games, they're enormous
favorites over the big ten. When he's going viral this one,
he's gonna be like a true underdog. Now everyone's gonna
pick Indiana. It's actually a pretty good spot for kind
of his vibe. You know, because even this game for Signetti,

(49:05):
these questions, he's gonna So my point is I'm probably
gonna take Indiana at the points I don't feel great
about it though, Like I think a lot of people
are gonna sleep on Oregon in this moment. I think
they're gonna get out for this shit. Signetti kind of
got to play the underdog against Bama. You see the
questions like what do you think about the Bama mystique?
He's He's gonna be getting asked the opposite this week,
like are you guys gonna win national championship? Do you think

(49:26):
he can really win the national championship? The ViBe's gonna shift,
and that's where I think Dan Lanning this is right
up his alley, in his raw rock kind of style.
So I again, I'm probably gonna take Indiana just because
I'm blown away by how good they are. I think
a lot of people are just gonna sleep on Oregon
just because their games the last two weeks have been
a little weird.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
And then you have the flip side where they say, oh,
it's hard to beat a team twice. I'm gonna go
Oregon where yeah it is. And I think Dante Moore
has played a lot better since that first game where
they had a ton of pressure on him, and I
think the offensive line for the most part in the
second half Bailey in Hunter and Height didn't really have
many sacks, and some of those that Dante more wasn't
even aware where they were. He kind of ran into
him both times there. But I'm gonna be real curious

(50:09):
how that offensive line does against that front for Indiana,
because even though they don't pressure a ton, it just
seems like they're really good at at making the pocket
super collapse for him.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And I don't know, and I mean I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I would lean Indiana as well too with you just
based on the fact that offensively, I don't know how
you're gonna be able to stop them if they don't
to run the ball and they get the play action
game with those three wide receivers. Even though Brandon Finnie junior,
you know, the freshman, he had a really good game today.
I just one big, one big advantage for Indiana is

(50:42):
for whatever reason, no one interviews their assistant coaches, so
their coordinators just stay at Indiana and get big contracts,
and no one talks to him.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
His two coordinators who are still calling the offense of
the defense are head coach to other places, which I
would imagine especially Kentucky. These next forty eight hours are
gonna They're gonna have a lot going on. You know. Now,
it's a little easier for both guys because they're game
planning against a team that they've already played, so it's
not like an It's this isn't will miss Miami, where

(51:12):
it's completely fresh. That's just a lot on those two guys.
I think running programs for the first time. Both of
them next year are gonna want especially Tosh is gonna
want to be compete for like the ACC and he's
a recruiter. So I just I just think there's gonna
be a lot going on for those two codes. This
is a counterpoint to me saying don't sleep on Oregon.

(51:34):
A lot of pressure on those two coaches because both
these games are in a week now, ones on Thursday,
ones on Friday, So this isn't one of those where
you get fifteen day break and you got more time.
It's why my theory that I expect the LSU coaches
to get I don't want to say fired, but just
told like you can just go to LSU now we're good,
just because I think now it's the time to break

(51:55):
Dan Landry's not gonna do that with these guys. But
how are they gonna have time to sleep because they're
gonna be constantly trying to do transfer portal stuff, which
I wouldn't blame them because they have to build a
program for twenty six. So I maybe I feel a
little bit better about Indiana minus. I'd probably like Indiana.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Minus two and a half, like a field goal four
is a weird Four is a kind of my awkward number.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, I'm thinking how high I would go. Maybe I
just go to seven. They do blow out a lot
of people. They do blow out a lot of people
over the flip side and a half. What's the in
Miami minus three? I maybe I'm just a prisoner of
the moment, but I kind of feel like Miami's on

(52:39):
a mission right now. And you watch Mario after that game,
you know, the one thing Mario kind of gets labeled
is like this meathead offensive lineman. I think he's a
pretty buttoned up guy, Like he's a pretty serious cat.
And I had a buddy who works in college football
who was offered a job by him. He was at
a My buddy was at a good place too, turned

(53:02):
it down because he's like, you know, I'm really close
to my head coach. We're winning, Mario's gonna give me
a raise. But I've heard Mario is like Belichick, you like,
I think he's at the offense like twenty hours, like
it's he's a grinder. He's pretty intense, and maybe that's
why in some of those moments he's just like too
tight in the end of game and why he's now.
You could argue, just bro just kneel the ball, but

(53:24):
I don't know. I I think Miami would have a
good shot if they handle business against Ole Miss to
win the national championship against Indiana because physically they would
be able to hang. I mean, they're two tackles. My
guess is combined weight would be close to six eighty
seven hundred. One guy looks like he wists a hundred

(53:45):
fifty pounds. The right tackle. Yeah, he's gonna go to
the left ten the left tackle. They are massive to
the offensive lineman. The irony about their defensive line is bain.
When you talk to the scouts, you know, he's not
that tall. He's like six to one and he's got
short arms, but you watch him play, it looks like
he's Miles Garrett out there, Ben in the edge pushing guys.

(54:07):
He was of all the players that we have now mentioned,
he was the best player on the field in that game.
He was dominant and his buddy, the Canadian dude, wasn't
bad either.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I feel like in Miami and compared to like Week
one against Notre Dame, they threw the ball a ton
They were trying to throw a bunch of explosive plays
get their guy Tony involved. It seems like in the playoff,
maybe it's Mario Crystaball and just kind of symboled everything down.
We're gonna run the ball, We're gonna we're gonna run
the clock, control the time and possession. And even Carson
back too. Where not a lot of people like Carson Beck, right,
he's a little cocky, he's got an ego, paid a

(54:41):
lot of money, dated the cavender. They broke up because
he cheated on Latina whatever. But he is taking care
of the football. He hasn't turned the ball over. Oh
my gosh, it looks like sid from ice age. He's disgusting.
We'll see him here in Glendell.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
He was he kind of in my respect, I thought
he played like a badass. The so you know, A
and M throughout the year can be a high scoring operation,
right with the wide receivers and obviously Ohio State like
they did not want to get into like a game
like tonight, so they are much more comfortable. What was
the final score? Notre Dame, low scoring game. Right. They
want a game that is on their terms. They want

(55:18):
to play. Shanahan has won a lot of playoff games
like this, ugly up play defense, run the ball, slow
it down. They I think Ohio State, I think I
like had eight or nine possessions, like they don't want
to play. I don't know how many Georgian Ole misshad,
but it felt like they had eight or nine possessions
in the second half each, you know, so that they

(55:40):
which is smart, which you get credit for as a
head coach, and I think it's coordinators. Some of those
play calls on third down and the fourth down catch
did they ran to Tony on They got him on
that one on one and like they had like three
wide receivers and he was the guy on the back
so they couldn't press him like that was a high
level play. The one they ran some really good plays

(56:02):
last night. I thought in key spots, the.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
One the Fletcher when they had the extra offensive lineman
and you thought they were gonna run it and he
kind of skirts out to the left side because they
only have two guys out there. Just throw it to
him quick and they score. I agree Kennon Dawson and
then the defensive coordinator from Minnesota that they got too.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I just I think Miss.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I think Miami's defense, if if Lacey's gonna fumble like
that against Georgia, you already know they're gonna have that
game plan against Lacy. In this offense where the ball
looked a pre a little skinch, a little loosey goosey
out there, I just think they're gonna force the turnover too.
And you saw in that game against Miami, once they
get that lead and they control the clock like that
for a high paced offense and Ole miss like especially

(56:41):
how quick they score, I think he's gonna try to
hold the ball for like thirty thirty five forty minutes
in that game and just try to just run him
down in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah, I mean, he's got a They were mentioned not
on the broadcast, you know, all the whole Miami staffs wise,
he's got a bad left shoulder. He can't you know,
he lowered his right shoulder, ran over the one, dude,
but the left shoulder, clearly the grip pressure on it
wasn't as strong whatever. It wasn't like it was that
crazy of a play for the ball to come out.
But he's a pretty good player. I mean, he's he's

(57:13):
really good. Maybe maybe that game would be better than
I think my lean would be. I feel like Miami
overwhelms them a little bit, and I feel this was
not Nolan Smith and na Kobe Dean and Jalen Carter,
like they're just not as good as the guy's chasing them.
And they had some injuries tonight, you know, with their
front seven guys. I feel like Miami's gonna hawk Trinidad
a couple of times. Not that Trinidads like can't get

(57:35):
away from, but there are gonna be a couple of
plays where he was doing some like old school Tony
Rono Donovan McNabb, like running back and forth like you
could get killed against, like legitimately killed.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, especially got them on both sides like you got
band running the right, you're gonna roll back left and
get hit by Mesador. I do think the one advantage though,
that Ole Miss has You see their kicker tonight, fifty
five yard fifty six yard kick, Like I think that's
one thing in college football, the portal kickers value after
this playoff for the entire back end of the season
is skyrocketed. That guy was from Western Kentucky. It's it's unbelievable,

(58:08):
like college kickers. We're gonna see that next week. And
and Miami has had a bad kicker even though games
they don't look better. Yeah, indoors will be a lot
better than that win against an m But.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Lastly, two shatout hard rock.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Bet the odds right now for the national champion Indiana
plus one thirty five Oregon in Miami plus three hundred
and Ole Miss plus five fifty. I think at the
beginning of the playoff it was two lane Jami obviously,
and I think it was Miami Ole Miss. I want
to say plus ten thousand, which is insane the fact
that these odds have gone so down. But based on
what you've said, I'm assuming you're going Indiana Miami. Indiana

(58:44):
is gonna win it all plus one thirty five.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, I think if you were gonna bet this, you
would bet Miami would be the bet because if they
were to win that game and play Indiana, they'd probably
be like, what would your guess on that line be
Indiana by four maybe three? You know, Indiana be favored,
but Miami would not be like a plus you know,

(59:07):
two to one underdog money line to win that game.
So you probably take them right now plus three hundred
or just put all your ships in the middle table
in Indiana. Now again, I I do think Oregon, you know,
i'd below. I didn't even watch the two lane game
because the NFL was on. But today I thought I

(59:27):
thought Dante like there were point times like he's like
trying to almost prove like he's some superstar. I don't know,
he was just a little out of whack, out of rhythm,
then kind of started forcing it. I just never thought
he could get like a Now, part of that's their
defense is good, right, I mean their D line. They
had a couple of plays where it was like Jesus,
these guys, no wonder they paid all this money. They

(59:50):
need to now invest in a quarterback and if I
wasn't an IL agent for the top quarterbacks. They have
been blowing up Joey McGuire's phone. I mean the quarterback.
If you told me that Texas Tech has the highest
paid quarterback in the country, I do think it's believable
because I don't even know who would be considered the
top quarterback. But let's just say there's they're competing for

(01:00:10):
two or three of them. It's just gonna drive the
price up. They're gonna end up with one of the
top guys in the portal for sure. That's who knows.
Maybe a guy, maybe a guy they tamper and a
guy comes out that you don't even see coming right
because you could enter. You don't have to have already entered,
like the portal opens now, like you can throw your
name in tomorrow if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
That's where I what I was talking about with Texas
Tech in their defensive line, where you gotta be pretty
frustrated if you're the Boosters, especially you're six to zero
at halftime and the defensive line you spent all that money,
they're not coming and they're not coming back though, Like
those three guys are not coming back. So it's like, well, shit,
like we gotta go and buy more and three more
defensive linemen and get a guy for ten million dollars.
Some guys that are gonna be just just some names

(01:01:03):
for people out there, because I know you love free
agency in the NFL, like I love the portal, Like
the portal is like college football free agency, and I
know people are like, oh, they're gonna go chase money,
like just going to get a bag.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It brings more drama to the sport. Sam Levit out
of Arizona State, DJ Lagway Brendan Sooresby out of Cincinnati
has been rumored because his girlfriend committed there for volleyball
a couple weeks ago. He's pretty talented, but we'll see
if he goes to the draft. Josh Hoover Rayola and
then Drew Mestamaker will probably follow Eric Morris at Oklahoma State.
I don't think he's gonna probably go somewhere else. Levitt

(01:01:37):
is a good get, a good example.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
They've played him or they know him because of the
conference beat him Acrosstate for a couple of years. I
think that like they will be all over again like that.
And if they had Sam a healthy Sam Levitt today
you know, I don't know if they ultimately win the game,
but the game does not feel like it felt through
the first couple court before it became a blowout in

(01:01:58):
the fourth quarter, like they were right there. Their quarterback
was terrible, atrocious, their offense was terrible. One play the
running back made the one sweet play where he juked
the two guys out in the reverse field, but other
than that, they couldn't move the ball. It was like,
this is this is a terrible television product. Guys like
what what? And it's not like Oregon was doing great either,

(01:02:21):
but the yeah, I mean, I I would expect them
to Sam Levitt, he's gonna get a lot of money,
but some of these guys like what's his name from
Oklahoma last year that went to Auburn, Like a lot
of guys get a lot of money and don't do shit,
and a lot of people that, you know, guys that
people make fun of. I mean, this happened probably more
a couple of years ago, like when Bo Nicks and
Dylan Gabriel will go on and like crush it. So

(01:02:43):
you know, that's it's kind of weird with the quarterbacks.
I mean, look at Trinidad, so I just let's say
DJ Lagway signed somewhere. Everybody's like DJ Lagway. You know,
look at look at a Nico in that situation. I mean,
he actually was had a pretty good, like four game
stretch for UCLA, but they won three games. You know, again,
the first four games probably not his fault. If Tim

(01:03:04):
skipperd coached the whole year, maybe they're like five and
seven or six and six. But I mean, you just
I think sometimes because these quarterbacks are really famous, Like
wherever Dylan Ryola goes is gonna be a huge headline.
If I tell you Dylan Ryola is at Tennessee, let's
use that as example. I don't know if that's gonna happen.
I'm just gonna throw that out there with a shock.
You next year they went like seven to five or

(01:03:25):
eight and four. You know, it's not like just because
you know, it's not like you get them. You're guaranteed
to you know, to dominate. So I'm with you on that.
Let's it's kind of getting late. I know. We wanted
to hit on one more thing that. Dan Lanning kind
of went on this rant about the the schedule and
how college football belongs on Saturdays. And basically, you know,

(01:03:46):
once December hits in, the NFL starts taking the Saturday games.
And he's big on like, we don't need these big
breaks just the season ends. If we got to start
week zero, everyone plays week's zero. Whenever this conference championship ends,
you start playing the playoffs the following week. And I
don't disagree with him on that, because that's what D
one DOUBLEA does, even though I think they do a

(01:04:07):
two week break for the finals, right, because there is yeah,
I think Nashville's is this upcoming Monday, But no one
would even complain about that. There's these huge breaks. I mean,
when's the last time Texas Tech or you know, Indiana
played a game, or Ohio State. It was like a
month ago, right, So I agree with him on that.
The thing I don't and listen, I know he's not

(01:04:28):
thinking about it like this. Many variables the television networks
like ESPN who has NFL games during December, CBS and
Fox who have games during December. They also pay a
lot for college football. They like the NFL games on
during the December games they do. You know, ESPN has

(01:04:50):
a game this Saturday, right, Seattle versus forty nine Ers,
forty million people are gonna watch. I forget some of
the games. There a good game a couple of weeks ago. Oh,
it was like Bear's Packers I think was on Fox.
It was Tom Brady on a Saturday night. Like thirty
million people watch these games. So it's like, I don't

(01:05:10):
even disagree with day Lanning, but the people he's in
business with that pay all the money for all this,
like they're part of the Roger Goodell gets blamed for everything.
But it's not like Netflix or Amazon doesn't want to
do these deals on Christmas or on Black Friday or
on some random December Saturday. That's where I think it's
not even plausible because these Fox is never gonna like, yeah,

(01:05:32):
you're right, day Laney, let's just do a big ten game. No,
they want to do Eagles Packers on a Saturday night
in the middle of December. That's why it's probably not
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I do think though, I mean the home field playoff games.
I think you have to have some at night, you
have to have some during the day. But these neutral
side games, I don't think it's a big deal that
you play them at ten am or one pm and
you give the NFL the afternoon, Like, I don't think
that that's a big deal in terms of the college
football perspective to get the most viewership. And I think
on top of that, like I don't people want bull
games to go get rid of. You put those during

(01:06:02):
the week USC was awesome to watch the Pop Dart
Bowl the Citrus Bowl with Arch Manning, Like, have those
filled during the week and have your CFP games on
the weekend. Like, I just don't think these neutral site games,
especially when they're all in door, it's it's like it's
not a big deal if it's at night versus during
the day, if that makes sense. And I also think
on top of that, like if this does go to
a sixteen team playoff, you know T and T, I mean,

(01:06:23):
they're probably in the bad bargain of the deal. They're
not gonna want a group of five team as their
college football team that night, especially going up against the NFL.
Even though it's not comparable three million to forty million,
I mean twenty million, ten million compared to forty millions,
better than watching JMU get born out against Oregon. So
I think it just makes sense. I would love to

(01:06:43):
see the season start earlier and then have the portal
be in January. I just I think the schedule. Hopefully
they can figure it out. I don't even know who
you talk to the NC double A. They're probably just
still sleeping. So it's like, we're not gonna get this
figured out until another couple of years. Anyways, it's just
kind of frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Wrong on the morning college football, Fox's biggest game is
a nine am West Coast kickoff, and it crushes. It
is dominated for them now a lot of that's Ohio
State and Michigan, but it's it works. I also think
one change clearly is we need more home college football games.
We need more home college football games.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
That's where it's like, if you do have a first
round by like give them at least the home field
playoff in Vain.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
That's where they get screwed. That's where so this team
has all this momentum coming a lot of I mean,
I guess Miami was on the road, but then Texas,
Texas just sitting there in Miami, you know, it's like
it was like, oh my god, yeah that was that
was a weird vibe. That was That would have been
way cooler at Tech because we saw earlier this year

(01:07:46):
when they hosted was it Utah or b Yu It
was awesome. I remember watching like this place is sick.
Remember Game Day was there like this badass and they
gotta go to Miami in front of you know, half
the pa sex for working to travel. Well, they're probably
thinking like, hey, we'll just hold out to the final
four hopefully, which I don't blame them, but I'm with you.
We got a lot to figure out, and I don't

(01:08:08):
even think we're remotely close to figuring any of it out.
But at least that Thanks for hopping on with me tonight.
It's it's been a long couple days, but one to night.
That was That was sweet. That was sweet. That was
a good That was a good cap to the to
the start of the new year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Hey, happy twenty twenty six. Happy portal season. Everybody get
excited the portal comes up. I know people get so frustrated,
but no, it's always great talking college football. We'll get
the sport figured out. Everyone's got to relax. The sport's great.
He's got to figure it out. But tonight, enjoy Ole,
Miss Indiana, Miami and Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Are you kidding me? Did you cut the social that
said that Arch Manning back like three months ago, that
Arch Manning wasn't an NFL player. I said it, but
we posted it. I think, so yeah, that thing has
gotten found. I think in the University Texas message boards
or something. I am getting attacked from all angles and listen,

(01:09:06):
I said what I said. I think when stuff like
that happens, I don't even know if people are paying
attention to the date. Not that anyone cares, but they,
the Texas contingent of fans on social media, are are
not happy that I said Arch was not a draftable player. Again,
that was early in the season and he was playing terribly.
He's turned it around. He's definitely turned it around. He's

(01:09:28):
on the he's on that, he's on the come up.
He did hey, in fairness to me, they spent twenty
five million dollars and they were out of playoff contention
in October. He also had to take a pay cut.
So in the world I'm in and in pro football
we take a pay cut usually something's going wrong. Again,
I'm not an Arch Manning hater. I didn't believe when
I said that he was playing terribly. He has definitely

(01:09:50):
turned it around, is coming in the right direction, and
he's got like a I'll end it on this, like
you watch Gunner Stockton and he feels like the toughest
player called arch is tough as shit. I mean he
gets destroyed, he's injured. I still think his arm can
be a little hit or miss, but he's definitely really athletic.
He's definitely got more accurate, feels much more comfortable passing.

(01:10:12):
He's improved a lot. Which red shirt sophomore. He has
been there a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Right, yeah, you have two more years. I just think
his confidence. I think that's all came down. It was
his confidence. Just looking at the social media and stuff,
and one little nugget in on my Texas cam Coleman
out of Auburn. Not a lot of people know about him.
He's a top receiver. He just dealt with Jackson Arnold
and Peyton Thorn in the last couple of years. Texas
is making a push for him. I think if he
has him at the number one wide receiver, watch over
texts next year, man, I think he needs that go
to receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
To help him out. Jeremiah Smith to Miami. You see
that gain interaction. They were doing a lot of long
hugs last night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I know if you would have saw the video, you'd
have been like, oh, Jeremiah Smith, they won, like Ohio
State won that football game, but no, they lost, and
he's smiling with his old buddies at Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
But he grew up with all those guys, right, Yeah,
I could see Mario. You know it's one of those. Well,
there was a game earlier this year. Oh it is
the Kaalin dubor when the dude was trying to hug
his backup quarterback and he grabbed him. You know, if
I was Ryan Day, I would have I would have
grabbed him. But hey, when you get your ass kicked,
you know, by Miami as a nine and a half
point favorite, you kind of got to run in the

(01:11:11):
locker room. But hey, he's a defending champ. Uh not anymore? Okay, Jackson,
good night, and uh I will talk to you soon, buddy.
See New Year. The volume

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