3 & Out - Reaction To Bengals STUNNING Steelers On TNF, Betting NFL Week 7 - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. What is going on? Everybody?
John Middlecop three and Out podcasts. Hopefully you're doing well,
but probably not as well as Joe Flacca. We watched

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the Senior Bowl tonight, some call it the Icy Hot Bowl,
and Joe Flacco was incredible. He outdueled Aaron Rodgers because
Aaron threw a couple picks. One not his fault, the
other one was, and Flacco did not. He only got
sacked a couple times, and he threw for three hundred
and forty yards in three touchdowns and has turned Jamar

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Chase into a video game player again. So we will
dive into all things. The Bengals thirty three, the Steelers
thirty one. Who would have saw it? That's why we
played the games. That was fun. And we'll dive into
a couple other things football wise, as well as have
Stucky on the show. Stucky, our good buddy, comes on
every Friday and we'll talk some gambling on this. I

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gotta get fooguysy Friday. I forget about it sometimes in
the season because we're just talking football, watching football. But
I guess the only food Gazi was thinking that Joe
Flacco couldn't play anymore. Mike Tomlin did not, though he
tried to tell everybody. So if you listen to Collins Feed,
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But let's talk some football. He just this is why
we love football, because, like most people, I thought that

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the Pittsburgh Steelers were gonna kill the Cincinnati Bengals, and
that's not what happened. And we got a moment, We
got a legit moment, so we will dive into this game.
The positives for who day and the Cincinnati Bengals, who
just I mean, they got to be feeling pretty good
about their three and four. They got the Jets coming
up after this little mini buy. All of a sudden,
you look up, the Bengals could be four and four
and the Steelers man that they got some issue tonight.

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A couple other things going on. Kurt Signetti of Indiana
just signed a contract for ninety three million dollars, fully
guaranteed ninety three million dollars. And we're gonna see some
NFL jobs open. We already have one, could easily have
another one open in the next couple of weeks. I
wouldn't be stunned if over the next month, we have
several jobs open. Those jobs don't pay that, I'll promise

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you that. And then some other things around the National
Football League and a little college as well too. We
just got a lot going on, but I think we
have to start with that was fun, Like that was
a really good story. And this storyline of Joe Flacco
and Commin's comments earlier in the week when it came

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to the way he viewed the Browns of just being
a complete embarrassment for treating Joe Flacco like a widget
and trading him to the Cincinnati Bengals, and then Joe
Flacco in two weeks turning Jamar Chase back into I
don't know, one of the best players on the planet.
Since Flacco's been the quarterback for the Bengals, Jamar Chase's
twenty six catches and two hundred and fifty yards and

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two touchdowns and tonight and him and his road dog
T Higgins dominated this game. And you know what Joe
Flacco realized and you watch him play one Like I
thought this Bengals offensive line was atrocious, and I guess
statistically they had been over the last several years, but
watching them the night, they were really good. Up until

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Cam Hayward and TJ. Watt sacked Flacco late in the game.
They hadn't touched him for like two and a half
hours of real time. Flacco was sitting back there eating
some Cincinnati chili, hanging out and just slinging that pill
to number one and number five. And they dominated tonight.
And I've always had like you never have to apologize

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again in the NFL and in college two when you're
playing a team that you clearly are better when you win,
like in the NFL a little more than college, it's
just about winning the game. But we still are critical
when you're a ten, fifteen, eight point favorite whatever in
the NFL and you win an ugly game, like you're
gonna get criticized, right, But at the end of the day,

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like you stack enough of those up, all of a sudden,
you look up, got some bad wins. Who cares? We
got a twelve At the end of the season, we
win the division. But you're watching a night and you're going,
it's Thursday Night football. The advantage as the season goes
on for these pros, I mean, look around the league.
Anyone that plays fantasy football. If you go to rotal World,

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follow your team on Twitter. Guys are dropping like flies.
Every team has countless injuries. So when you have to
go on the road for Thursday, one, you don't get
to practice two. You got to get on a bird
on Wednesday. So your Wednesday where the home team again,
they're not practicing either, but they can do more walk throughs.
Their coaches have more capabilities to game plan because they

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could be in the office. You're at a pretty big disadvantage.
So your margin for on the road, even when you
are the better team in theory, is not as wide
that if this game was played on a normal Sunday,
where I think everyone and their mother, you know, I
would say everyone picked the Steelers tonight. But you know,
Thursday night it can be weird divisional game. We just

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had last week. What happened Eagles on the road playing
the Giants and they get their ass kick and tonight
I think part of it was. You know, tanking is
a major problem in the sport of basketball, and it's
it's played a part in baseball, but there's like an
economic situation there if teams just not being able to

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afford players. But in basketball, which is understandable, teams try
to lose to get the opportunity to draft great players,
even though now with the draft lottery, just because you
have the worst record. I think it was like the
Wizards and the Jazz Slash they drafted like five and six.
So this is not the NFL. And the thing I've
always respected about the NFL, even when I disagree with

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it sometimes when like, hey, you should lose. I supported
Steven Ross once upon a time when he's like, hey, Brian,
he's gonna pay you one hundred K to lose to
get Joe Burrow. Probably a good move. But what Brian
Flores do, I'm not doing it. He won three of
his last five games. Because that's the way the NFL
works and a huge part of the NFL and part
of what Sam Hinkey did when they did the process

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and they just actively tried to lose their roster was
a joke. They did not sign veteran players on in
the NFL. Even if you are going young and it's
clear you're not gonna win that many games, you like
to keep young or excuse me, old veteran guys. People
that have a lot of pelts on their wall know
what they're doing around the building to teach the young

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guys the direction and where to go. And part of
Mike Tomlin's rant this week, like, do I think Mike
Tomlin believes Joe Flacco's like, you know John Alwayn is prime.
Of course not, but he goes like, this is a
real quarterback and this franchise with those two y reivers,
if they can just get a capable quarterback, can be
a real freaking team because just a couple of years
ago they were in the Super Bowl. Last year with

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an atrocious defense, they were one of the best offense
in the league, and they were a blown early season
game away from being a playoff team. I mean, they
were super hot at the end of the year. And
he's like, they're in our division, that this is not basketball.
We don't just tank, especially in the middle of October,
and you just hand them this player in the division.
And then we watched the last two weeks. They look

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way better with Joe Flacco at quarterback. And if you're
not going to pressure Joe Flacco, he can eviscerate you,
as he did tonight, like even some of his misses,
he's hitting Jamar Chase in the hands. Like his chemistry
with these players despite literally having his first practice with
him last Wednesday. Is pretty mind blowing to see. But

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it's a huge advantage like any of us in any industry,
the longer you do something, the more comfortable you are
with having to adapt and change on the fly. Where
when you get young people and things and variables come
into play, they can kind of melt. And you saw
Joe Flacco like I was like, I kind of get it,
and props to the Bengals and listen, I got to

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give Joe Flacco credit because if you would have told
me when Andrew Barry got on the phone and said, Joe,
I'm treating you like a widget, because I look at
everyone on this roster beside maybe Miles Garrett like a widget,
even though we always fucking suck, and everyone gives me
credit for being a genius because I got an Ivy
League degree, and same with my coach and we're just
never good. Oh yeah, the guy that might win the

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MVP we once had here, and we replaced him with
Deshaun Watson, who clearly is one of the worst players
we've ever seen. Once we signed him, and we signed
them to the biggest guaranteed contract in the history of
the NFL. But that's beside the point. But Joe, you're
headed to the Cincinnati Bengals. You're their new starting quarterback.
If Joe would have said, listen, Andrew, I appreciate the
opportunity of you bringing me around, paying me four or

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five million dollars to be the bridge quarterback. But if
I wasn't going to start here, I would have been
cool with just being around. I don't want to do this.
I'm gonna officially now retire. I don't think anyone would
have blamed him. It's like, you know, he's forty forty
one years old. You're going to a team that's, you know,
pretty desperate. I know they got some wide receivers, but
you're watching the night the joy he has playing football.

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I give a lot of credit because I started thinking,
like if I was in his shoes and I got
that call, and it's one thing, like whatever, he's making
four or five million dollars or three hundred thousand dollars
a game to a lot of people in society, that
that would be game changing, life changing money. How much
money slack O mad a couple hundred million dollars in
his playing career. He's money's not an issue for Joe,

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So it's like, do I want to do this? And
not only did he does he look like he wants
to do it. So he's embraced it and he figured
out like a pretty basic formula. Throw the ball to
Jamar Chase, what do you want to do this play?
Throw the ball again to Jamar Chase, and if he's
not open, throw the ball to t Higgins and occasionally
hind it to our running back who's averaging ten yards

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of carry against this d defense, which list they kind
of sucked me back in, Like, Okay, the Steelers defense
looks a lot better, looks a lot more physical. Their
defensive lines dominating Jalen Ramsey's playing at a high level.
I mean tonight, their secondary was absolutely eviscerated. I mean
Jamar Chase. He felt like an NBA player, you know,
when you're like watching Steph Curry or Michael Jordan or

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Kobe Bryant or whoever who is just giving a team
the business. It's like, I think he's gonna score like
fifty five points and every time down the court, just
give him the ball and get out of his way.
It's like Doug Collins once famously said, yeah, we ran
the play that said, yeah, get the ball to Michael
and get the fuck out of the way. That was
the play tonight that they ran over and over to

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Jamar Chase, And whether it was Jalen Ramsey, whether it
was the group of the other dbs, they had absolutely
no chance to slow him down. It was one man
against an entire secondary and that man dominated. And it
turns out that man, Jamar Chase, is not just one
of the best wide receivers in league, he's one of
the best players in the VIA. Sometimes it makes me
think like it's almost underrated, how incredible that passing offense is.

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They had justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow
on the same college offense. No wonder they shattered Wreckers.
But like I found myself as that gay going as
that game was going, rooting for Joe Flacco like I
wanted to see, especially once Rogers hit that crazy ass
play at Friar Mooth, that they take the lead thirty

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one to thirty. I'm like, I text a couple of people,
I'm rooting for Joe Flacco to drive down the field
and how about at the end of the game, T Higgins,
That's the other thing. Like you watched Jamar Chase a
couple times he stayed in bounds. He tried to stay
in bounds on one and they kind of ripped him out.
Those two wide receivers. Let's face it, wide receivers can
be exhausting sometimes, asked Cowie and Sirianni what they're dealing

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with over there, though not totally AJ's fault, like they
don't throw on the ball enough. But again, like it's
about myself and it's about my stats, and those two
guys played a really really high Q physical game that
I and that slide at the end by T Higgins
was just a really really impressive play. You know. It's
one of those that I'm sure coaching points you're talking

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about in the huddle. I feel like a lot of
wide receivers, especially someone of his caliber, like just fly
to the end zone and try to score and maybe
he ends up not scoring and it works out anyway.
But I don't know what percentage of players do you know,
like the Ken Griffy slide there, but it's not as
high as you think. And to me, the story of

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the game was Joe Flacco. The Cincinnati Bengals offense just
shredding the Pittsburgh Steelers defense. And this is what I
said early in the season. I'm giving them a little
bit of a pass Thursday game, and these Thursday road
games are hard. But if you have that in the back,
if you're playing other teams that have great players and
you cannot stop them, they're not going anywhere. And I

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actually think it's a pretty big indictment on this division
of one. The Bengals aren't dead if Flacco's gonna play
like that, and I do think it puts a ceiling
on this Steeler team. Obviously. You know, the Steelers offense
pretty boring to watch. They got three tight ends who
are all good. I texted a buddy in the NFL.
I was like, do you think that Darnell Washington could

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just transition to like right tackle? And also, I guess
you could put some packages in where he could catch
the ball in the red zone as well. But like,
cause I don't know if you've seen, but tackles make
a lot more money than tight ends. He's three hundred
pounds right now. It's not like, you know, he's two
six seed'd have to add sixty pounds, he'd have to
have like fifteen pounds. He already has the foot speed.

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Now I don't know physically is he mean enough to play?
I don't know, but that's the thing that crossed my mind.
And then to put him with the other tight ends
that they have in DK Metcalf and then they just
kept running like pitches and sweeps. To Jalen Warren, I mean,
their offense at the Bengals defense is not very good.
But that's I didn't find that a very enjoyable Pittsburgh

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Steeler team to watch. But to me, it all gets
back to, like one, you're not gonna be able to
run it like that against a lot of teams. I
mean the Bengals defense, I don't know if they teach
tackling like legitimately in the franchise, A felt a couple
of times it's not he's tackled in the NFL. Got
a fast physical but like it didn't even look at
you were trying sometimes and Jalen warns, like, are you serious,

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I'll just get another ten yards. But that's that version
of the Steeler team, like they're going nowhere even they
make the playoffs. That's that's a one and done squad.
And let's face it, like Rogers threw two picks to Night.
One wasn't his fault. One was the guy that gave
one hundred and fifty million dollars too and just had
the ball ripped out of his hands. The other was

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I would say an un Rodgers like play. I mean
one thing you would say, over the course of his career,
he's pretty conservative when it comes to just especially on
and on, like you know, fourth down in the second half,
like acting like a punt Like I think he thought
that he had DK metcalf. He looked off the safety
and DK would just take off with speed like a

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ring booster and give this guy a chance to make
a fifty to fifty play down the sideline, and DK
wasn't even close to beating the corner, and then the
safety came over and picked it off kind of easily.
It was really an atrocious decision for like at this
point in time with Aaron Rodgers, you know, he's not
like he was no different Joe Flaccovern think about that,

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he was no different than Joe Flacco. Moves a little
bit better, but you're just watching the two of them
play like they're playing a similar game, pocket quarterbacks getting
rid of the ball relatively fast and trying to get
the ball in their playmakers and let him make plays. Now,
Rodgers has more foot quickness than Flacco. But like, when
you watch those two guys play, did you see that
big of a difference. Did you say one guy's an

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exceptional talent and the other guy's a scrub? Not? At
this point you saw two iceyhawk guys, two older players. Now,
Aaron that that final hail mary is a thing of beauty.
I would say he's the greatest hail mary thrower at
least of my lifetime. Maybe there were guys in like
the sixties, seventies and eighties that were a little bit
before my time. But his hail mary is a thing

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of beauty. He probably do that better than Joe Flacco.
But other than that, he's not doing that much. Whenever

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see people like Rogers is back, Rogers back now, I
mean he's kind of been what he's been the last
couple of years. Now he's on a more well buttoned
up operation than the Jets, who are just a historic
dumpster fire. But like, physically this does not look like
the guy that won his first MVP for Lafloor whatever
five six years ago, which is kind of ironic because

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they play the Packers. You know, here's the thing. They're
four and two, which isn't bad. I think if you
would have told a Steeler fan to be in the season,
you'll start four and two. You just you just take that.
But their next two games now, granted at home against
the Packers and the Colts. So I mean, I depends
what happens this week with the Packers, but I would
imagine the Packers are favored in that game. Then you

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get the Colts. I mean, that's just a tough game.
Then you got to go to the Chargers. There's a
pretty big stretch coming up. That they win two of
three of these games, and all of a sudden, you're
six and three, you're feeling pretty good about yourself. You
go one and two in these games. I think we
might view them, I would say dramatically different if we
look up and they're five and four, and then all

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of a sudden, if the Cincinnati Bengals have just beat
the Jets, like they're kind of lingering around and then this,
you know, one of the conversations was is Hendrickson's back
He got banged up last week, he was inactive this week.
Rap Sheet called it a coach's decision. At first, I
thought did he get benched? Then I started thinking, well,

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maybe they're assuming that they've probably lose this game. They
don't want him to get reinjured because they could trade
him on Monday or Tuesday to like Howie Roseman or
the Lions or you know, the Bills or whoever, some
team just trade them right now. Not necessarily punt on
the season, but like get this asset away for a lot.
Now you can kind of I don't know, double dip,
you can go, well, we keep this guy, keep rolling

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them out, see if it's good. We also have leverage
because we're kind of still in it, and I'm sure
Howie and some of these other guys are still interested
in his services. Maybe it's like, yeah, we probably would
have taken if it was getting ugly a third. Now
it might cost you like a second and a fourth. Well,
we're not gonna give you that. Okay, we'll just keep
them because we're just gonna compete for the playoffs. Unlike

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what the Browns do that they never complete for the playoffs.
They just treat their players like widgets. Like the embarrassing
part of what the Browns did and what Tomlin was
alluding to. No one has a problem with you benching
Joe Flacco, right because you're like, well, they benched someone.
It's about like what his value is to the two
rookie quarterbacks that are now their starter and their backup

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that have no clue what the NFL is about. How
would they their rookies? And I have this guy who's
played in the league for almost two decades, who's won
a Super Bowl, who is just universally respected. Hell, you
just saw the respect level of one of the most
successful guys of the Internet era and head coach for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin. What you just said. You
can't do that because that's an embarrassment to the NFL. Now,

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we're lucky that it doesn't happen that often. Like that,
That's something that happens in the NBA a lot, and
it's been a big problem for Adam Silver. Roger doesn't
really need to deal with that at all, But like,
if that happened more, we would have major problems on RAMD.
And I do have to thank the Browns because I
don't know if Jake Browning rolls out, we get the
same end result of just Flacco slanting it around and

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just most of us that are Steeler fans having a
huge smile on our face. I also think, like what
as that game was going on, and even when Rogers
hits that crazy play on the blown coverage to Friarmouth,
I'm like, I I watched enough of the Steeler team,
Like they're clearly not bad, but they're five and one,
Like that's what a five and one football team looks like.

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I don't know, I don't think it is. And here's
the other thing. Like Arthur Smith, who's rocking a really
strong mustache. It's a strong look. He loves to run
the ball, like at his core, he became a really
big deal as an offensive coordinator when he had Derrick Henry.
You saw to night, like I think like him and
Kyle Shanahan would be long lost friends. You can just

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see the excitement he gets putting three tight ends on
the field and just running outside toss plays and just
running crack place to their weak edge defenders and just
trying to get on the edges of the defense. Like
that was one point tonight where to the right and
to the left. I think he ran that same play
four times in a row and it was pretty effective.
Like he will run the ball. He's an old school

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coach that way, for a quote unquote younger offensive guy.
He will run the ball constantly. But their running back
situation is Jalen Warren, who, while he had a good
night tonight, I think a huge part of that is
he's played the Bengals, Like, are you beating the better
teams in the NFL relying on him to carry you
probably not gainwell? Who again, is a good backup, rotational guy.

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Like I think they need a better running back. And
I've been saying this for a while. The Steelers move,
I mean, assuming their defense is not going to be
that bad, and they kind of. I'm sure Tomlin and
that kind of group of coaches are gonna be going
nuts over the next couple of days, especially Monday when
they show back up, because that's there is no ceiling

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for this team if that's other but offensively, like if
they got a good running back. I saw all Alvin
Kamara was talking about, like he doesn't want to get traded,
but knows like it's part of the business, Like just
get more of a guy that you can depend on.
I actually think their offense could be a little more
complete and be tough, but man that defensively like kind

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of saw the Spider Man meme of the two teams
looking at each other. The difference is is like they
don't have Trey Anderson. Jesse Bates left a couple of
years ago. Like who are these guys? Shamar Steward had
like three sacks and seven years in college, you know,
I mean you're rolling out TJ. Watt, who for a
long percentage of tonight is like where is this guy?

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It's like he you know, he started slow the season,
then he really came on the last couple weeks and
I think sometimes older team, right, you know, short week,
not quite as quick. Jamar Chase, what's he young? What
does he looks? Fantastic? You know? T Higgins young guy
looks fantastic and flack ohell, he got a couple of
games off because he got bench for Dylan Gabriel. As

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someone said, you got rid of Flacco to throw Dylan
Gabriel in fifty mile an hour wins this pea shooter on.
Good job Browns, So props to the Bengals. Nice win,
and man, if you're a Steeler fan four and two
probably has never felt so shitty because anything he lose
on Thursday night, I think part of it, like Monday night.
Losing on Monday Night sucks, but you also, like you

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get to bounce back relatively quick. And but you know,
Monday night, you lose, you get to just you don't
have to watch anyone else. You kind of get to
shake it off. And then a couple days later you're
playing where when you lose on Thursday night like the
Eagles did last year, you kind of get the weekend off,
but you're watching a bunch of football your game. If

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you lost, especially as a favorite, they're kind of talking
about you, and yeah, it's just it's rough. So man,
props the Bengals. A couple other things. Kurtzignetti got ninety
four million dollars today fully guaranteed. Pretty sure. TJ. Watt

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at the beginning of the season got like close to
one hundred million guaranteed. He got ninety I think it
was like ninety three point four million dollars. So unless
he does something unlawful, right, they can't fire him for
just losing without owing him every penny wherever they are
along the way. And we saw earlier this week when

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Brian Callahan was fired, reports came out that he was
making three million dollars a year. Jonathan Gannon, who had
one of the lines of the year at when he
brought up Michael Vick going to jail this year, or
I mean earlier this week, about like how he deals
with being numb to player injuries and losing players, I

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would guess is making four or five million dollars. So
some of these these NFL jobs they're going to come open,
they pay three, four five million dollars. Yet Kurt Signetti
is at Indiana, not the Indianapolis Colts Indiana. If you
would have told me a couple of years ago that
the head coach in Indiana would make eleven point six

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million dollars, I would have said, you're higher than I
was a couple of nights ago when I had my
gummy and I was floating in the sky. But that's
college football now, and that's the money getting thrown around.
We saw it a couple of years ago when Brian
came He went to LSU and got ninety million dollars.
When Lincoln Riley went from Oklahoma to usc and got
like one hundred and ten one hundred and twenty million dollars.

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The amount of money college pays is borderline is sanity. Now,
you know, Nick Saban was kind of ahead of his time.
Obviously he made a lot. But can you imagine, like
sixty one year old Nick Saban right now, in the
prime of his career in college, what would he be
worth three hundred million dollar contract? But I saw earlier
today people bring up different like who are the options

(27:29):
for the Tennessee Titans. It's like Matt Naggy, Arthur Blank
or not Arthur Blank, Arthur Smith. He used to work
for Arthur Blank in Atlanta. If I were those guys
and I were other coordinators, like a guy like Joe
Brady up with the Buffalo Bills or any young guy
whose name is going to gain some traction, I would
have my agent show legitimate interest in these college jobs,

(27:52):
not just because I'm trying to up the leverage, but
because they pay a ton of money. And here's the thing.
You go to the Titans, you go to the Cardinals,
some of these jobs that will just like ask Aaron Glenn,
you go to the Jets, You're gonna lose. So if
you're gonna go to these jobs that basically have like
a ninety percent chance of putting you on the unemployment

(28:12):
line within a couple of years, you're just gonna be
paid to go away. So you might as well strike
when the iron's hot, and if you're one of these
guys and go like I would be all over Penn
State if I'm Arthur Smith or Matt Naggie or one
of these guys, if I'm gonna start getting interviews in
the pros, I would do the same. If I'm Mike McCarthy,
I would say, Hey, I'm Mike McCarthy. I grew up

(28:33):
in Pittsburgh. Head State is interested in my services. So
even if so and so the Titans are interested in
me too, I ain't coaching you for six million dollars
a year because this organization, this program will pay me
six years sixty million dollars. So I do wonder the
leverage that's gonna be used, and it might get to

(28:54):
the point where the numbers get so large. I do
wonder if we see an NFL coach that typically would
a way to go, Yeah, I'm just gonna take this job.
It is too much money to pass up. When I
saw Signetti's numbers, my jaw hit the floor. I mean,
he got an extension last year. He was like eight years,
eight million dollars. It's like sixty four million dollars. He

(29:15):
got a huge extension last year. And clearly what happened
over the last I don't know three four five days,
is there some phone calls made from that university in Pennsylvania.
And he'd be crazy to not utilize that a little
to his advantage, even if he never had any interest
in going, because it just got him eleven point six

(29:35):
million dollars a year to coach the Indiana Hoosiers. So
I do wonder this offseason, as Florida comes open, as
Auburn comes open, as Florida State probably comes open, as
some of these schools with enormous budgets that are going
to be willing to pay a boatload of money. If
Indiana can pay that, you better believe these other universities can.

(29:56):
I think you'd be crazy if you weren't. Some of
these NFL people to like, just throw your hat in
the ring. You don't have to sign on the dotted
line at the end of the day. But I would
get involved. I would want my name involved when contracts
were being discussed and signed at these levels because they're
not in the NFL. Brian Callahan three million dollars, Jonathan

(30:16):
Gannon probably three or four million dollars. That's what Kurt
Signetti makes a quarter. I mean, he wouldn't get out
of bed for that. That's like what is probably defensive
coordinator next year is going to make so. I think
the influx of money in the SEC and some of
the big ACC schools and obviously the Big ten it
feels like Silicon Valley or something right now because these

(30:39):
it's not like the direct deposits are not coming through.
There's real money behind it. And I do wonder if
that's going to kind of change the landscape of all
these guys and especially these assistants who were going to
be in the mix for these NFL jobs you watch.
It would not shock me at all if one of
those guys takes one of these big college openings over
the next three months. And speaking of that, like like LSU,

(31:03):
like if they lose this week to Vandy wouldn't chock
me at all. If Brian Kelly wants to kind of
restart his clock and goes, hey, Penn State, I'm kind
of interested because you just want to keep those seventy
eighty ninety million dollar contracts, you know, more of it
to go, Like you want to restart. You're already year four.
They can fire me a year five. I want to
go back to year one. So keep an eye on

(31:24):
these moves. The amount of money being thrown around this
is like Jeff Bezos is his executives. You know, we
scream all like the executives make too much money in America, Like,
look at what some of these college coaches are making.
It's crazy. A couple of quick things on the NFL,
we'll see. I mean, we got JJ McCarthy's banged up,
Carson Wentz is banged up. Obviously they got some injury

(31:46):
issues with the quarterback position. If Carson Wentz is the
starting quarterback for Minnesota and the Philadelphia Eagles lose to
the Minnesota Vikings and Carson Wentz, I don't see how
someone is not fired Monday morning. I don't know who
that person's gonna be, but something will change, that will.
We've been talking about this for a while. Standards are
super high. They just had a defensive Lineman and retire.

(32:09):
They've been aggressive in Hendrickson. They can they lose this game,
especially coming off the mini bye week. Someone's head's gonna roll.
That's just the way that the Eagles operate. And I
don't think anything would be worse as this season's getting
a little weird. And then Carson Wentz, who's not even
fully healthy, beat you with the Minnesota Vikings and they're
doing skull. I like Minnesota in that game, but it

(32:34):
almost feels too good to be true because it's almost
hard to envision that that game's gonna end, you know,
like seventeen to thirteen, and Carson Wentz is gonna be
being interviewed by the sideline reporter for Fox with a
huge smile on his face and the Eagles are just
being a free for all. So that's to me, that
has the opportunity to be one of the crazier stories

(32:55):
of the weekend. And Rams Jags, which kind of grinds
my gears. That's a really good football game. That's a
game that for those of us on the West Coast,
it's awesome for you guys that live on the East coast.
One thing that sucks for you guys is your game start.
They kick off at like eight thirty. So if you're
really sleepy and you want to go to bed early,

(33:17):
and it's a Sunday night, it's a Monday night, or
it's a Thursday night, you know, it's like ten thirty
games going to the second half. So we got it good.
For the night games, you have a huge advantage over us.
For the morning games. You know, it's Sunday, even if
you are I've become a pretty early riser Monday through
even Saturday. At Sunday's the one day I kind of
like to sleep into, like I don't know, seven thirty ish,

(33:37):
but if I do that, and I can do that
in some of these games. But the rams Jack is
a game that I would really like to watch, and
if it was on on a normal slot like ten
o'clock in the morning or one o'clock in the morning,
there's a decent chance, depending on the other games, that
would get like the I told this to Stucky today
when we were recording that would get the audio in
my house on the four box, that would probably be
the audio game. And now they throw it over to

(34:00):
International waters. So I've been saying this for a while
and I'm not gonna pivot off this. They're gonna sell
a package for for this time slot. Within I would
say the next five years, there will be a full
slate of games rotating between Wembley, Germany, Ireland, wherever they

(34:21):
play Brazil. Maybe there will be that six thirty am
Pacific Standard time nine to thirty for you guys on
the East Coast kickoff, and they will have a full slate,
just like Thursday night. So we will have a Thursday
night game, we will have an international game that kicks
off early in the morning. Then we all just have
our enormous late of ten AM's one o'clock and then
the night game and then Monday night. And the other

(34:42):
thing is I saw twenty one point nine million people
watch combine that double header the other night, which is
like whenever I see record setting, I go, well, that's
not going away. Are we gonna get a package where
we get double Monday night games ten nights a week
to kind of boost the number so they can sell
it for more. And if you're Disney or ESPN, you'll

(35:02):
gladly take two games. So like you're turning that down,
You're like, we want in again on the Monday Night
package and we will pay double for an extra game.
You're like, okay, free money. The game was going to
be played anyway. You just want to put that game
yesterday at one o'clock. So now you just give it
to Monday Night Football and do the doubleheader. Which I'm
not trying to be Debbie Downer. I enjoy a primetime

(35:23):
game like tonight living by itself. But I'm not. I'm
not blind here, not saying I can see the future,
but we've kind of seen how the NFL operates. I
remember when I first started working for the Eagles, it
might have been the first year of the Thursday Night games,
and we were like one of the there were like
three or four of them. That's how they start. They

(35:45):
just kind of dabble, you know, like when your waiter
comes over with the parmesan or the salt pepper, just
dabble a little bit, and then all of a sudden
they're just cranking it, and then your whole you look down,
your salas just full of pepper, and that's what's going
to happen. It happened to Thursday Night and boom full
package all season long. And now teams you went from
just you only have to do it once, Like, hey,
we're making so much money. If you're good, there's a

(36:08):
decent chance you're gonna have multiple Thursday Night games. I
think the Eagles in a couple of weeks play again
on Thursday night games and obviously Monday and Sunday night forever.
Like the teams are used to playing in those primetime games.
But the doubleheader thing, you know, used to be just
a huge disadvantage for two teams right that they had
a short week. Now it's for so I just it's
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(38:01):
back at it again for the much anticipated weekly spot
with my guy from Lexicon to Kentucky. Uh from Philly originally,
but he's he's been in the South. Is that the South?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
The north?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
South?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Depends what he asked? Like Lexington is I call it
like a hybrid between the South and the Midwest. Uh so, yeah,
I considered Lexington like a hybrid city.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
If you go like.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
More more south in Kentucky, it's definitely the South.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
It's kind of like the West Virginia the Midwest, like
it is West Virginia the South.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Now, but it's.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
It's like its own thing. Yeah, it's good to just
be your own people. Yeah and yeah, Okay, another big week,
Big bets on campus that actually network podcast. You can
find them on all Things actually Network. Uh, I don't
even know where to start. Obviously, last week it's tough.
You know, you take the double headers. If they do
that Sunday morning European game is pretty good. It can

(39:09):
lead to a tough sledding in the middle of the
day here sucky.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean, like that's that's the thing I don't
like about these because you have a couple, you have
some teams on the buy, and then they keep doing
these double headers on Monday and then a London game
and then it leads. I mean last week at four
o'clock it was Bucks versus the Niners, Shell Unit ripd
you're nine ers. I mean, they can't catch your break

(39:35):
at the Titans Raiders and the Packers Bengals. Those are
the three games this week at one o'clock or ten
am if you're on the West coast to early slate
is Raiders, Chiefs, Dolphins, Browns, Pats, Titans, Panthers, Jets, Saints, Bears,

(39:56):
and Eagles, Vikings. That's a lot of games with a
lot of bad teams playing in them. So I mean,
it's the NFL. We'll watch some of them, will be
closer than we expect, but yeah, it kind of leaves
some of the these windows there, and which is what
I don't like about it. Like I get playing the
Monday night to Monday night games early in the season

(40:16):
or London game around the season and when no one
has buys too, but it gets a little excessive.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
But what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
There's still lines. We're still gonna bet on these games.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, we don't have a choice, especially if you're gonna
watch those morning games. Okay, all lines presented by our
friends and our partners at hard Rock Bet. And let
let's just start with a couple of my hammers of
the week. I wait, b Anyway, before we.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Get to them, I got to ask you on the
West Coast do you always wake up to watch the
London game? Never? Does it depend on the matchup?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Depends on It depends on the matchup. I mean, if
it's if it's like your classic. Remember Belichick played like
Gardner Minshew a couple of years ago, like eight games
like that, and it was just horrendous. You know, Minchew
beat them, but it was the final scores like thirteen
to eight or something. I'm not gonna watch it because
I'm not going to talk about it. It's going to
be lost kind of in just the world for what

(41:05):
I do specifically. But like this week, you know, if
Rogers is involved, if this week the Rams and the Jags,
I mean those are two playoff teams, those two teams
that go win the division, that's a game that I'd
want to watch. I mean that that would get my
if that was on the ten am slot, even if
I have the ten games on, that game is probably
getting the sound, you know of a four box. So
it's that one's tough.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Uh yeah, this one's worth waking up for it.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, this is luckily for the most part, they are
more missed and hit. You know, it's like, oh, Denver,
I want to see the Broncos. Then you get up,
you're like, this game.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Is that was That was one of the worst supporting
uts I've ever watched in my life.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, So it's like it's kind of irrelevant. But it's
not because you're going to talk about Denver, but like,
how many people actually care, you know, ultimately about that game.
If Denver goes on to win twelve thirteen games, that
moment is kind of lost and you'd be like, Wow,
I was playing in Europe, You're staying in Philly, and
then you're leaving. It's kind of a wacky thing. But
he also didn't complete more than three balls in the

(42:02):
second half. It's kind of an issue for a team
that could be a Super Bowl contender. So I much
prefer two shitty teams. I don't have to pay attention. Yeah,
you know, you've had a long day Saturday watching football.
You get up, you really got to lock in. I
try to get my blood flowing. I try to get
a workout in the morning because I don't do that
much on Saturday and Sunday, and that just it throws me.
I'm like watching on my phone as I'm driving around,

(42:24):
I'm like, what is wrong with me? This is crazy
watching Justin Fields just get sacked over and over negative
ten passing yards.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, that was that was ugly.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But even this week, you know, obviously the injury let's
just before we get to the Hammers. I guess let's
just start there. You know, Pooka's out, He's a main
call for them. A lot of people go, well, they
didn't play that well against the Ravens. Like the Ravens
have a guy, you know, a fifteen million dollar coach,
They have a prideful organization. They get to a point.
I've seen this with the Niners before. It might happen

(42:54):
this Sunday. When you're just down a bunch of guys,
you just have like a kitchen sink effort. I mean,
the Niners just kind of added actually against the Bucks,
like you just you're not going to get rolled, even
if you're playing a bunch of practice squads. So I
didn't really hold that against the Rams. You know, it's
a long travel, like it's you won the game, you
win by double digits. But this is kind of a

(43:14):
different animal. The Rams, I would guess, like the Broncos
last week, just take their stuff with him and go
right over.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, they're staying on the East Coast. Then mcday has
done it twice, covered both games, won both games. Cohen
obviously new head coach, but the Jags in general is
a roster are very familiar with doing this. There the
team that plays overseas most frequently. So yeah, the Nikua,

(43:42):
I mean that loss is big because, especially against the
Jack Jackson played out of zone. Nikua is the zone
beater god, and I mean he just will find any
hole in the zone. Stafford knows he can rely on him.
You know, an ap how they brought in Adams, and
Adams is like the man beater and he's going to
stretch the defenses. So yeah, I mean, Nikou is obviously

(44:04):
one of the best receivers the NFL. That loss is
pretty big. We'll see if the Jags center goes. They're
missing their tight end bren Strange with Hurts and the
tight end their centers, Bean, one of the best run
blockers in the NFL, didn't play last week, and then
just their communication and everything was way off against the
Seahawks of a dominant defensive line. But the Rams have
a good defensive line as well. If they can get protection,

(44:27):
there's going to be some opportunities downfield against a Rams
secondary that is definitely the weakness of their team. But
the Nakua injury is certainly noteworthy. That line right now
is sitting. Let's see, I didn't get announced that he's
definitely out.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I mean, I just I guess I just assumed.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I assume he's out to I don't know if we
got announce, but that like, once it does, the line
could move it. Yeah, sitting at three, assuming he's out,
I would lean with the Jags just taking the three point.
But I think it's pretty close to right where that
line is. I think it'll be a good competitive game.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
It's also a pretty big week because you got you know,
the Niners Mash Union playing the Falcons. That's gonna be tough, right.
You got Seattle Monday night against Houston, you know, I
mean there's a decent chance. I mean all three of
these teams could lose. I mean the Arizona Cardinals. You
saw that comment by Jonathan Gannon about Michael Vico and jail,
But they are cracking at the seams. They are they

(45:29):
are it is about to implode, implode. I was tempted
to have the Packers as my hammer if they're playing
better and just kind of end this little experiment in Arizona.
But they're just not playing quite well enough to just
come on the road and just dominate but I can
foresee that thing. Just like, wait, the Packers are up
twenty seven and nothing at halftime, But I think the

(45:51):
Niners are in trouble Sunday night. You know, Seattle's just
a tough game. Houston's defensive line is just really good.
Uh So if one, if Seattle or the Rams win
this week, I'm pretty confident they'll be in first place.
It's just these these London games can be weird. I
don't know, I don't have a great feel for this game.
The Jags. I just can't bet on them with a
straight face. But this Ram spot tough spot, weird week.

(46:14):
This is your classic, Like this is why you pay
mcveil a lot of money. This You know, you're in
a hotel for a long time, right, really because you
come out to Philly for who they played Baltimore, They
probably came out Friday, so they've just been gone away
from their family and their beds for a long time.
And football is not baseball basketball, Like, you don't really
spend that much time on the road, right, That's why
these football players they might have side girlfriends, but they

(46:36):
don't not like those other athletes, because they're really just
your home base. The overwhelming majority of your season. Yep, yeah,
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I mean three is like close to right, just without
mccua against his zone heavy D think if I had
to take it, I would take just the points in
my back pocket. But yeah, I don't think there's I
don't think there's a time to do there.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go three dogs from
my hammer. I'm gonna go the Raiders plus eleven and
a half. I'm gonna go the Vikings. That line's actually
come down a little bit. Minnesota plus one and a
half and the Saints plus four and a half. We
can start Saints at Chicago obviously again that Monday night turnover.
We just did that with the Jags. We love Seattle.
Now Seattle's a better team than the Saints, but we've

(47:18):
been hammering this the whole time. He's not bad, Spencer
Ratler's pretty solid there. Off defense not great, but Chicago
isn't exactly you know, the seven Pats on offense and
coming off this big win, this emotional win, which they
got a little lucky, but hell, they deserved a little luck.
They got screwed last week at Time or last year
at Times Listen, Caleb, I'm not as down on him

(47:41):
and maybe as Troy Aikman, but I'm not exactly anointing
him some like top fifteen quarterback right now. He makes
some awesome plays, but I like the Saints a lot
in this spot.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, I mean Caleby, he's getting better. He's not taking
as many sacks. That's one of the biggest That's one
of the things he's improved the most upon. His pressure
to stacker issues have been cut in half. I think
that's the influence of Ben Johnson. So I go all
the pressures like he's literally cut the amount of times
he takes sacks in half when he's pressured. That's big.

(48:13):
But he's still not accurate enough that there's you know,
last week, I think it was about Ben Johnson. He
really got the run game going, just a beautifully schemed game.
But you're right, they did get a bunch of bounces
that went their way. If Jane Daniels doesn't drop that handoff,
they don't win that game. And you know, now it's
a tough spot, short week coming home, and the Saints

(48:36):
are frisky, Like the Saints are in pretty much every game.
They're competitive. Spencer Rattler's playing like at a league average rate,
which I wouldn't have believed if he told me that
after last year where he was one of the worst
quarterbacks in the league. The offense is much better schemed.
So yeah, I think taking the points there is the

(48:57):
right move. I also agree with you on the Vikings.
The Vikings, I mean, look, the Eagles to me are
on fade fade alert until further notice that this just
looks like a couple of years ago with brought hunder
Brian Johnson and over their last three coordinators before Patullo
Stiching obviously very good, Brian Johnson disastrous, and then Kellen Moore,

(49:22):
who's now the Saints, was very good. If you look
at their numbers versus zone and blitz, the Patulo's numbers
are zone and blitz this year are exponentially worse than
even Brian Johnson. So you had your numbers like with
Stikeen were here and Kellen Moore were here, and then
like Brian Johnson's here with Patula they are like, I

(49:43):
can't even show you how low they are.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Well, why do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
It's just there's it's not a well schemed offense. No
one's on the same page, but they just nothing is working. Additionally,
the offensive line has taking a huge step back. There's
a bunch of in injuries. They're not healthy and as
a result, they can't get the run game going. And
I mean, Saquon Barkley is averaging two point six yards

(50:08):
per carry in the second half of games. Last year
was six and a half. He's being contacted crazy. He's
being contacted online, has for much thirty six percent of
the time last year, which is second highest in the league.
Last year it was twenty four percent. So they can't
get him going. And then and Jalen Hurts has never
been great against zone and he's always been worse against

(50:29):
the blitz. And now the offensive line has created, the
run game has created, and it's just like when you
look at the play design, everything is bad. Like unless
it's like hey, straight man and AJ Brown goes and
beats his man on like a little comeback row or something.
There's a busted coverage like Hurts isn't seeing the field
and I don't think it's well schemed. He's been the

(50:51):
worst quarterback in the league against cover two. Well, the
Vikings played more Cover two than any defense in the league.
He's been one of the worst against zone. He's still
killing man and he's been one of the worst against flitz. Well,
most blitz heavy coordinator league Brian Flores, the team running
the least amount of man besides the Cowboys. The Vikings

(51:13):
one of the most zone heavy teams, so this is
a nightmare matchup. They should also get played cash and
back maybe Van Ginkle, but cash menal help with their
run defense. And then on the other side of the ball,
the Eagles defense is not the same caliber unit as
it was last year. They lost a lot of talent.
The secondary is not the same, the edge, the pressure
isn't the same. I mean they're below league average and

(51:33):
pressure they're nineteenth in EPA per played, nineteenth and success
rate one of the two, like I guess, there's three
Cooper Dejen, Jalen Carter, and then Quinya Mitchell on the outside. Well,
quiny On Mitchell is banged up. I don't think he's
going to go, which is massive because now you're your
two corners on the outside against Addison and Justin Jefferson

(51:55):
are very very questionable. Jalen Carter is not healthy and
you need him because your depth is great in the
defensive line. You're not getting a ton of pressure off
the edge. So even with Carson Wentz, you know, off
a bye with this great staff and one of the
toughest places to play in the NFL, I like the
Vikings to get it done.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
It's just a nightmare matchup for the Eagles. I can't
quite get that. And by the way, there will be
a time I say this every week and it never happens.
So one time, I guess I have to keep saying
it and I'll look smart when it finally does. There
will be a game when the NFL who says they're
going to crack down on the tush bush fall starts.
When that happens, and it costs the Eagles four points,

(52:36):
like it's happened twice inside the ten when they clearly
went outside. Fall started. You could see it and everyone
could see it, like they do it all the time,
but the most obvious ones that they didn't call for
some reason. And then they get the first down and
then you know it's first and goal inside of ten
and they get a touchdown. If that is a false start,
then you're probably kicking a field goal. That's like four points,
which could be huge, just could be a lower scoring game.

(52:57):
So that'll happen eventually, or it'll still could just you know,
if they do it at midfield, it could lead to
a punt instead of you know what ends up being
a scoring drive. Raiders, I don't blame you for taking
the points.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
There, And I don't have much logic behind this, how
like I like the Raiders and don't think the Chiefs
are playing well. I just that just seems like a
pretty uh seems like a lot early in the season.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, I mean the Chiefs offense is back, I will
say that, and they get Rice back this week. I mean,
like Mahomes' numbers, his average air yards downfield are like
the highest since twenty eighteen. His passer rating is the
highest since twenty twenty two. And now they're getting one
of their best weapons back. But the speed on the outside,
the improvement along the offensive line, that offense is now dynamic.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Well don't you think Kelsey looks a little better too,
looks a little more refreshed. I think in the last
couple of weeks, I don't know, has.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Look a bit better. I think also part of that is,
like all of the speed that they have, like with
the emergency of Thornton getting worthy backs, he has more
space to operate, like, and this offense is throwing the
ball down the field. Before Hollywood's playing well yeah, but
before everything was and their run game is a little

(54:09):
bit better. They're running it more under center, which has helped.
But before their entire offense was in a phone booth,
and like Kelsey is not he doesn't have the same
speeder like so there was just everything was clogged up.
So now he has a little bit more space to
find holes and zones and operate. The case for the Raiders.
I mean the Raiders right now are a mess. I

(54:31):
mean their offense is broken. Part of that is no
brock Bowers. I don't understand just the entire st They've
run it too often the first time in Their offensive
line is completely broken, and they're without one of the
best left tackles dand dollon on Colton Miller. So without
Miller and Bowers and Gino Smith has just looked horrendous.

(54:52):
So like, are they going to be able to move
the ball? I don't know. The Chiefs run defense hasn't
been great, so you might be able to actually run
it a little bit here, play keep away on defense.
They're just they're just going to sell out to stop
the explosive play. So they're going to play it to
on his own. That is basically them what else what
I was trying to do, Because they don't have corners,
they don't great corners on the outside. So the route

(55:16):
to a cover years run the ball a little bit,
control the clock, take away the Chiefs exposed to play,
and then wait for Crosby. He's gonna have some plus
matchups against the chief tackles to make a player or two.
And then once the Chiefs get a lead in these games,
they just sit on it. So there'll be a room.
There could be an opportunity for a back door, and
Mahomes has not been The Chiefs are historically been horrendous.

(55:37):
As a favorite of more than a touchdown, he usually
wins these games. He's thirty six and two straight up,
which is the best win percentage of all time as
a favorite of seven or more. But just as a
little weird note, the two losses did come against the Raiders,
one of them on Christmas Day a couple of years ago,
so that's the one I probably can't that. The Raiders
are just a mess right now. I can't get there.

(55:57):
But I don't blame you for taking the points. But
I do like the Saints and I really like the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Jack Jones picked them off, picked six, I think I remember, yeah,
I was pretty hung over that day. I had a
long Christmas Eve night, remember laying in bed watching that game.
I'm sorry, so a couple other games we touched on

(56:37):
it briefly. I mean, the Packers after the first couple
of weeks have definitely just looked a little off. But
the Cardinals that I just feel like they're really cracking.
I mean, they actually had a chance. They played pretty
well in that game. Jacoby was slinging around against the Colts,
and then the dust settles and they lose, and then
you just kind of feel it, like this guy think

(56:57):
he's gonna get fired. I mean, it's Jonathan Gannon. If
they lose all of a sudden, we look up and
they're three to eight, Like, is he getting fired before
the season ends? Is that the stress that he's wearing
when he has that comment. I kind of think it's possible.
You never know. I mean, the Cardinals actually are much
closer to like the Jets or the Dolphins. They just

(57:17):
don't have as much money just in terms of dysfunction.
Don't like the Bruce Arians couple of years. Fully, they're
a fucking joke franchise. Yeah, and listen, I you've talked
about Jonathan Gannon. I've always heard really really good things.
I think overall, he's done a pretty good job. I mean,
his quarterbacks tiny can't see, and it's pretty erratic player.
You know, they don't have that much. So I've thought

(57:39):
I've watched him play a lot of NFC West games
and always been pretty impressed. I don't think he's bad,
you know. So we've seen some coaches, especially you know,
assistant coaches, head coaches that are but tula completely over hishead.
Like I don't necessarily think Jonathan Gann is completely over
his head. I mean, but that moment where de Marcado
drops the ball, he slaps him on the shoulder pad,
which you know, fifty years ago no one was saying.

(58:01):
Then all of a sudden, you gets a hundred thousand dollars. Fine,
they lose the next week, and now do we think
Kyler's out again this week?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I don't know. I mean that's Yeah, they're a tough
team to crack. I mean, like I was high, it's
not because Jacoby's probably not a great matchup like Flaco
against the backers, given they can rush the batser and
he can't move. Yeah, I mean, look that the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
They start off two and oh, I mean on the season,
and then they easily could have beat the forty nine ers.
There was a drop of wide open drop. They lost
by one then, so they could have easily been three.
And now then they lost to the Seahawks by three
on the last second field goal and because of the kickoff,
they messed up the kickoff after they came back to

(58:41):
tid On. Granted they were down two touches, but they
were a player two away from being four to oh.
And then against the Titans, they should have been up
twenty eight to six.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, and then they.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Dropped the ball.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
And they have not played bad this season, give no like,
so they easily.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Could have been like five and oh, and then they
played the Colts and then they had so many injuries
like that they don't have any running game anymore because
all their running backs are hurt. And I do think
it's a really well schemed defense and they do some
of the most exotic things with their three safety looks
in the league. But they've also had injuries at corner.
So I still think Annon is a sharp guy, but yeah,

(59:16):
it does feel like it's it's teetering right now. I
don't know if Mary's gonna play. He was limited. Now.
The things is like if he does play and they
have like a plate in its poot like and if
he can't move, I mean that's you don't want Mary
Murray in the pocket now, that's not going to work
against the Packers defense and the pressure they can generate,
and especially since the Cardinals just don't have a run

(59:37):
game now, and I think they really do miss like
Clayton Adams, who's now with the Cowboys, their offensive coordinator
in Lessu he's with Arizona and their running game now
I know they have injuries, was much more dynamic and better.
But like last week, the offense did look there Also
Marvin Harrison uh might be out as well. So like

(59:58):
it's it's it's tough to back the Cardinals here with
with all the injury situations. Now you could say, like, hey, look,
the offense looked much better last week. Against the Colts.
But I think that had a lot to do with
the Colts secondary injuries. I mean, Ward Trevia's warts arguably
be in the best corner in the league this year

(01:00:19):
if you look at some like yards per yards per
route Cloud He's been awesome, and he got a concussion
before the game. They were already down Kennymore, they were
already down.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Not before like not in pregame war ups, in pre
pregame warm ups. The Colts lost two players now granted
ones their starting corner. The others are back. That's unprecedented territory.
They got laid and a concussion. Guy broke his face
and got a concussion, two separate injuries. Where guys are
warming up in shorts and T shirts before you even

(01:00:49):
put on your paths and your helmet. That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I have ever seen that. But they were already down.
I mean, two of the best corners in the league
this year have been Kenny Moore and Travarious Ward, and
they're already down a couple of depth pieces. They were
playing guys, I mean Kai Blackman, I didn't even play
last year, like Chris Lammon's I think is the nickel
now like they miss Mike killed me lost their back,
so their secondary was in shambles and you don't have

(01:01:13):
your number one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
You thought you were going to have, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Know, a couple hours before the game started, which which
is one of the reason why I like the Chargers
this weekend. I know the Colts have been great, but
I mean if if you look at it, the Colts
this year and very still in the protocol. Yeah, that's
not his first concussion, no forty nine ers, Yeah even

(01:01:36):
practiced that. I don't think that he's going to play.
Kenny Moore is practicing, but he hasn't practiced in weeks
and it's in Achilles or five and one, so I
think his status is highly And now Josh Down's also
concussion which and he's not practicing today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
So like I mean, the Colts have been very probably
back right, what's that Khalil Mack might be? Is he
back this weeknight? If you could get parent him back
to which helps with the run defense? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
On Joe All or the Chargers' offensive line, that's my
that's my biggest concern with the Charges. Their offensive line
is just horrendous. But the Colts aren't on a team
that gets elite, elite pressure, and if their secondary is
what it looked like last week, that they're Herbert's going

(01:02:25):
to pick them apart way more than Persette could. And
I think that is the biggest difference in this game.
And like the I think the Colts are a good
team and Daniel Jones has played well, but I've looked
into I've went back and watched some of the Daniel
Jones games this year. He's playing well, but he's not

(01:02:48):
seeing He's gotten away with a lot of throws, he's
not really seeing safeties. His turnover worthy play rate is
very high. It's like, I think two and a half
times that of Herbert's who's one of the best in
that department. But I think that against Minter's defense, he's
he's going to make some mistakes. Additionally, this is really
in the weeds. The Chargers have the most accurate kicker
in NFL history and Cameron Dicker. The Colts have the

(01:03:11):
money badger who's like an eighty percent career. So maybe
there's a kick or two, but I like the Colts
have beaten. Here's what the Colts have beaten this year.
Toua Nicks thanks to a leaping penalty, cam Ward, Geno Smith,
and Bersett, like those are their five wins, so they've
definitely been fortunate with his schedule and like a lot

(01:03:32):
of teams have had a ton of injuries. So yeah,
I think this is a spot for the charge And
a lot of this has to do with just the
secondary injuries for the Colts and the fact that they
don't generate just like they're not like a Giants defensive line,
which just completely crippled the Chargers offense, and the Charters
offene line could be a little bit healthier. So I

(01:03:54):
like the Chargers this week when and that's related to
what the Cardinals did last week because the cold secondary
was just completely dysfunctional.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I haven't really paid attention to it, but I was
just looking at the stats, Like, remember it was a
big deal when Chris Ballard got lot too lat Too,
the kid from UCLA, because he was like, how did
you get this guy? At the end of the it
was like seventeen or eighteen, he was the first defensive
player he is one sack this season. Well, yeah, he
was hurt, he's he is getting he's missed the game
yet he's getting some decent pressure. But it's not been

(01:04:25):
like extraordinary by any stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
So I think if the Colts, like the Colts are,
I don't like Daniel Jones, still has a ceiling against
a well schemed defense. The offens lines is really good.
Jonathan Tede was really good, that good weapons. The defense
is definitely improved because it's not just Gus Bradley running
base covered three that everyone knows. Then they had no
d backs, so now I mean their first safeties are

(01:04:49):
playing well. They went out actually now were out actually
finally the first time. I don't know that he should
be in a prison somewhere for keeping Gus Bradley as
long as he did. But he also he never would
go out and get defensive backs always like let's just
count on our draftics and the draftics he would. They
never could draft any defensive backs. So they went out
and they got Ward, They went out and got Cambine
them and their safeties are playing well. Ward is playing

(01:05:10):
at an elite level.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
What wards of physical tackling can cover, can make at
plays on the ball. He's a high end corner and
they had.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Like no corners in recent years, like the worst corners
in the league, so their defense has a higher upside now.
So they're a good team, but I think if they
wanted to go to like the next level, I'm not
sure if Daniel just can get them there, but if
they just had like one more elite edge rusher, then

(01:05:40):
when they're healthy, they could be even more dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But uh yeah, I uh, I think the Chargers get
it done at home Cleveland, Miami. I defended to a
little bit like obviously shouldn't have said it, but at
the same time, like it's such a reflection of isn't
his coach's job to make sure everyone's like die in
And it's clearly Mike's terrible at that. He's like the
opposite of like the Tomlins and the Harballs's. You know,

(01:06:06):
you walk all over that guy. Even Fangio's like I quit,
I'm out. So two was attempting to do it, even
if guys clearly don't respect him either. I mean, Cleveland,
it's pretty rare that you see like coach on GM,
coach on coach just crime before a game or in
a situation especially they weren't even playing. And I think

(01:06:28):
Mike Tomlin, I don't know where your theory on this,
but I think he's kind of sticking up for Stefanski,
who kind of had some comments last week when they
traded him, like, yeah, I didn't quite see this coming,
Like Andrew Berry's just up there kind of operating like
THEO or Billy Bean, like I'll just get a six
round pick for the story. It's like you get two
young quarterbacks. They need someone to like kind of bounce
ideas and see how to operate. Like it's that's what

(01:06:50):
good teams would value. But they're like, well, we don't
give a fuck. Widget Sea out of here and there.
I watched him last week. I didn't realize how bad
Cleveland's line was, and I get the Seelers defensive line
was humming, but they were just like Dradle's the whole
game and Dylan game. I mean, it was you could
have put Deshaun Watson this prime back there, he would
have been under siege. But this Dolphins team who actually

(01:07:12):
showed a little heart because once to and through that
pick in the middle of the game, then they score
it's like twenty I think thirteen. Yeah, so it was
like it kind of felt like they were gonna just
they're gonna end up losing this game thirty to thirteen.
And they came storming back. It's weird, like everyone's shitting
on them. They're showing way more life than like the
Jets or whatever. Now you could argue two is a

(01:07:33):
way better player than Field, so their offense is going
to look better. I don't know. I mean Cleveland's defense
obviously he's pretty good, but I'd have a hard time
taking Cleveland. I just I couldn't gamble this game. I
know you know action on it, but you're side.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I did play the Browns. Now, it's probably correlated to
the under If the Browns haven't scored more than seventeen
points I think in eleven games, so they definitely have
a ceiling on their offense, which is like seventeen to
twenty points. But if you look at this number one,
the Browns defense at home over the last three years

(01:08:06):
is a different animal. No one can score in them
when they play in Cleveland. I mean, you go back
to the Packers offense, you go back to the Bengals
with the healthy Burrow, the Ravens multiple times over the
past couple years. Any offense they play in Cleveland, they dominate.
And now you're going up against one of the worst
offensive lines in the NFL with one of the best

(01:08:27):
defensive lines, and there's no Tyreek Hill, so the explosion
isn't there for the Miami offense. And that's basically how
you have to beat this Cleveland defense that's aggressive. You
have to explosive passing place. That's the one blemish on
their statistical profile. I think they're like twenty first and
explosive passing allowed. But the Dolphins, even with Hill for
part of the are twenty fourth and they just don't

(01:08:50):
have that explosion anymore. And what this game comes down
to me and then my like what does Miami do well?
I mean, like don't know. Their offensive line is one
of the worst in the NFL. Well, they were supposed
to have an explosive passing attack, but there's there's no
Tyreek Hill. So it's like a Chane and Wadeler are

(01:09:10):
pretty good. Waller's good in the red zone. It's like
there's some decent pieces on the offense, but the defense
there's nothing there at all. I mean, they're flitzing at
a top five eight because they know they can't cover,
but they're getting pressure at the bottom five right, and
they have one of them. They have the worst I
think corner group in the NFL. Nothing is redeeming about
this team, and but I think that it just just

(01:09:32):
comes down to the Browns defensive line dominating this game.
But there also should be weather here and I think
that's a key factor. There's gonna be wind and rain,
and in that that's the case, this game is just
going to come down to who can run the ball more.
And like the defense have a bottom two run defense

(01:09:53):
in the league. I mean, we saw what I mean
if the Chargers backups, fine backup offensive line was running
all over them. We saw the Panthers Rico Dwell ran
for He's still running against them. So I think the
Browns can run the ball year against a much worse
running and the Browns are a top three run defense.
So that's just going to lead to more third and

(01:10:14):
known passing situations for two, where this defensive line can
tee off and the Browns I think can put enough
drives together on the ground with Judgkins, who has looked
pretty good. And yeah, they lost their tackles last week,
but it looks like Robinson will be good to go.
They're gonna have to probably put Lucas at right tackle.
But yeah, I just think this comes down to Brown's
defense at home against the horrendous offensive line, no Tyreek Hill,

(01:10:38):
weather game, potential, high winds, precipitation, like it's going to
be a lot of running. One defense cannot stop the run.
The other defense is a lead at it. I think
that's the difference. I think the Browns get done home.
It's ugly, like laying points with Dylan Gabriel who can
barely see over his lineman. But yeah, I like the

(01:10:58):
Browns at home under field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I think. I think Wallas had one of the craziest
careers in NFL history. Insane lay run pick, the drug issues.
Gruden sees him doing Monday night football in warm up
for something, gets them for nothing. It was pretty clear
when he kind of pops, You're like, holy shit, this
guy is a freak talent, becomes a pro bowler, gets paid,
gets traded to the Giants for a third round pick,

(01:11:21):
kind of gets hurt, then quits, starts a rap career.
It starts a rap career, and then just comes back
and honestly has made a couple of plays. I mean,
he's got multiple touchdowns this year, shows back up in
his mid thirties and just scoring touchdowns left and right
for a shitty team.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Insane.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
It's crazy the Sun and Night game. I listen at
this point in time, I don't know how you overcome
Fred Warner's ankle. Point the other way, it's it's pretty devastating.
And Zach Robinson maybe he doesn't quite have his sight
set on Oklahoma State. Maybe he's got his sight set
on trying to become a coach in the NFL, a
head coach. And he's just giving the ball to Bjon.

(01:11:58):
That's because that's what I do. And I just don't
know how the forty nine ers. I mean that Baker
plays a good example, if it Fred's in the game,
like you think Baker's making it the first down?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Probably not?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, And they're countless other plays that he's just he's
a dominant player. You can't remove Bosa and Fred Warner.
I don't care how good Robert Saul is, you know,
motivating guys is just the drop off is gigantic. So
I think the forty nine. Did you see the clip
of Kyle reading the injury report. It took him like
thirty five seconds and he took like seven breasts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy that they just can't catch a break.
I mean, the team was built. I'm like, okay, you
got He's still have a lot of talented Like, first
of all, it's still a lot of offensive injuries. You
have Kyle and Shanahan running the offense with a lot
of talented weapons. At least they gonna get kitted back
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
At least it looks like I think. But it's like,
I don't know, hamstring injuries. Well, yeah, you never know.
You gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
But all their weapons have been hurt. The quarter look incredible. Boom,
here's his knee.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
He's out again.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yeah, so it's insane. But then like the entire defense,
in order to get up to like a reasonable level,
it was like Sala bringing Sala, which I think was
a great move, but it's the Stars and Scrubs unit.
Because you have to pay party, and you had to
pay some of your other players. They had a mass

(01:13:21):
exodus in the off season of talent. You know, guys
like Carberrysfortive we just talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
I mean, look at who Funga for the Broncos makes
plays every game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, so they were going to need some rookies to
step up, and then they were going to need their
stars to play like stars, and they've lost both. I
mean Bosa is losing Bosas, not just losing the playmaking
of Bosa. It's the trickle down effect of all the
other guys who now get more attention and don't benefit

(01:13:49):
from the attention Bosas gets. Their pressure rate without Boats
on the field has cratered to poverty levels, so they're
not getting any pressure. And then you have Fred Warner,
the linebacker in the NFL, cleaning up everything, making play
and now he's done, like so on paper, now this
is a bottom tier defense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
So there's a must win for Atlanta if you're going
to be taken seriously because you have a performance like
you did on Monday night. I was like, damn, their
defense is flying around, they're getting pressure. We know Raheem's good,
you know on that side of the ball, they're really
kind of coming together. They invested. Whether we agree with
the trade for the kid from Tennessee or not, I
still think it's pretty crazy. Like if listen, if the

(01:14:31):
defense is going to get pressure and you get the
ball to be John Robinson, you have a chance and
you can protect Panics like Panicks was kind of just
sitting back there and slinging it around. It's not only Yeah,
Hills are that much different than forty nine Ers? Are
they personnel wise?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah? The key andrew to watch theirs Jake Matthews or
left tackle. He is the longest active streak in the
NFL of starts eighty eight eighty something. Maybe I'm going
to guess because they're already down there right tackle in McGarry,
but they kind of scheme to make up for that.
They're backup, so now they could be down to two

(01:15:03):
backup tackles and I know the forty nine Ers defense
is in shambles, but that will be bad. I mean,
in the second half you have this Mike Darrell came
in at left tackle against the Bills and the Falcons
offense did not look the same and he was bad.
So that's something that worth watching. It's also not a
great spot, like you're traveling across the country after a
big win on Monday night football against the Bills, you know,

(01:15:25):
playing a Niners team off of the loss, although they're
traveling too, so it's not a great situational spot for Atlanta.
But yeah, it's I actually don't mind like the over
there it's it's hard to know the injury report for
the Niners.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
But Ony Dyers could fall apart here just because they
don't have the bodies the next couple of weeks to
play Houston. Yeah, I mean they think you get it
get ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Yeah, they're it's They're a tough team to to handicap
right now with all the injuries, especially midweek. But if
I had to betted right now, but actually look at
the over, like Shanahan will find ways to get points.
Maybe there's a chance they are a little bit healthier
with their skill positions this week. And then that San

(01:16:10):
Francisco defense right now is it's in it's in rough shape,
and uh that Atlanta offense can can move the ball.
My only fear is like both teams want to run
the ball, and it's not going to be a fast
paced game. So like if there's just a bunch of
red zone stops, it's gonna be hard to get over
that number. But uh, yeah, it's a shame that happen
to the Niners because like the potential is there, Like

(01:16:32):
the offense, you know, the offense can be good with
Shannan and then you just need it Sala with Warner
and Bosa and then some of the rookies to emerge
and they started to show some promise. But now without
Warner of Oosa, it's like, as you said, I don't
know how you overcome that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
The Monday night doubleheader Tampa at Detroit. Obviously they got
a million injuries as well, So I mean the Lions
aren't the helpiest. I mean every team in the league,
it is, really you follow this stuff closely, This is
as bad as you ever remember. The amount of teams
with the amount of injuries, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah, the clusters are crazy like this at that game,
I don't know what the bet like because the Tampa
Tampa's been extremely fortunate this year. Baker Mayfield's playing at
like a god level. And even with that, like they've
won one of their four games. At the last second, if.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
They had average quarterback play, well, would they be like
two and four right now?

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
They could have one win probably, so yeah, I mean,
but like their offensive line is a bunch of injuries there.
It looks like they're gonna be without Irving, Bucky Irving,
Chris Godwin, Peg, Muka, Mike Evans, may or may not go.
But then Mayfield's playing such a high level and he's
going up against the Lion seems gonna be down all

(01:18:02):
their corners for branches suspended. But the Bucks defense isn't
any goods and the Lions are at home, like their
offense should is Taylor Deck are going to play. That's
key their tackle. But you know Bowls is going to
send the blitz. I have no idea on that game.
I couldn't tell you if Seattle, look, I meank Houston

(01:18:24):
is coming off. I still don't believe in the Houston offense. Like, yeah,
they exploded late against the Titans, but it's the Titans,
and then they played the Ravens practice squad defense. If
Seattle gets some of their defensive backs and we're talking
about injuries again, but they were without three starting defensive
backs the past couple of weeks, their defensive line should

(01:18:44):
wreck havoc on the Texans offensive line and just created
that offense. Now, the Houston off defense is really really good,
but the Seattle offense is playing at an elite level.
So like, I just don't know how Houston can keep up,
especially if Battle is healthier in the defensive backfield. I
think just like if you look at what's going to

(01:19:05):
happen in that game. It's Seattle's defensive line, Yeah, just
overwhelms Houston and causes too many negative plays. So I
would look at Seattle at home in that one's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Going to be so loud, bro, seven o'clock at night
on Monday night, that place is gonna be I mean,
if the Houston offense can look good in that environment,
I would be fored.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah. Yeah, the Houston Dophins lines probably, and there's gonna
be a false start, a bunch of false starts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
And it's going to be a throwback in like peak
Pete Carroll days with LB. I think the loudness because
they got a lot of positive momentum. They're a fun team. Yeah,
we're pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Yeah, and Darneld's playing as well as his Baker.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Lose also, and it'd be like we take this bitch over.
We're going to this divisions coming through us, which I
got five to one. I try to tell everyone that
those odds were crazy, right, We're like people were like
overreacting to those last couple of games. It's like, yeah,
he played bad, but over the court, like he's like
that was his low moment. And I said, now, yeah,

(01:20:06):
I mean totally. They nailed that one. Okay, a couple
quick college games before we get out of here. I
was in the car this morning and I heard Coward going,
because you know, the USC people are like, we want
out of this game. This is BS, we're in the
Big Ten. We're doing you a favor. Like I hear that,
But it's also like this college sports, this isn't the NFL,

(01:20:28):
Like you play Notre Dame every year, But I also
get like Notre Dame gets to pick and choose how
they build it. If you're in the Big Ten, that rotation,
like all of a sudden, you get years where you're
playing Oregon, Michigan and Ohio State and you also got
to play Notre Dame every year. But that's part of
that's your rival. So it's like you're just gonna get
rid of it. But I think the argument is well,
Text and Texas, A and M some of these rivalries
stopped playing as they went to different conferences. So I

(01:20:50):
see both sides. I like this game, it's just like
most people do. But I you were right. I hadn't
watched USC as closely this season as I did up
until that game that the wide receiver number six is
I don't know, I'm in Ross Saint Brown, like the
Ohio State slot guys. He's a stud. I mean, he's

(01:21:12):
he's he's the real deal. So yeah, remember the name
yeah La kid that was supposed to go with Lincoln
to Oklahoma and then switch when he came there. So
he was, you know, Lincoln in Oklahoma even before he
got there with Bob Stoops had always sneaky, had a
little southern California I remember was it Kenny Stills as
the San Diego guy. So they would pluck guys over there.
So not shocking that Lincoln was all over him, but

(01:21:35):
I was impressed. And listen, you've been all over Michigan.
Not as good as really the last couple of years.
I mean, Sharon Moore good at his job. That's a
big picture question mark. I think we got to ask
relative to the standard that they want to uphold, like
you're gonna compete with Ohio State in Oregon with this
guy coach. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
It does feel like maybe I'm overreacting to that performance
against Michigan because he could have easily been forty five thirteen.
I mean, they blew a couple of red zone stops
obviously on the road. Weather different animal. Nine and a
half feels like a lot of points though, Am I crazy? Yeah,
there's there's a ton colleges. There's a ton of injuries

(01:22:14):
worth noting here. Notremes to be without, but stay also
starting center last week. For the year, they're already down
their left tackle stat's notworthy. They're one of their best
defensive tackles. Their defensive tackle is huge drop off from
last year. But one of the best defensive tackles is
also out. But their defense has played much better in
the past three weeks because they've gotten healthier. They got
lender mooreback is one of the best corners in the

(01:22:36):
college football Deantae Smith, the transfer of Malabama.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
He's questionable. Will he play? That's huge because I am
curious to see what Notre Dame does in the slot,
like Lemon's gonna line up in the slot a ton
and Notre Dame to moan day. Smith's been hurt the
entire year. Outside of Week one. He was going to
be their slot corner. They had this kid, they tried
this other kid, Hobbs, and they tried this kid gold
in the past couple of weeks and he's been so bad.

(01:23:01):
If it's Lemon versus this guy Golden, He's going to
have two hundred yards, but does notre Dame put take
more and follow Lemon around. That's something that I'm watching.
Is this supposed to be raining, Yeah, So that's what's
gonna bring off the US. He's left tackle. He didn't
end up playing last week. It's one of the best
in the conference. We'll see on him. But US he's
down all their backs, which is just massive. So they're down.

(01:23:25):
I mean, Whymon Jordan I think is you could make
a case that he's he could rise up to like
the second or third back take it in the draft
as he can do it all. He's out like six weeks.
His backup is out. So they're down the true freshman
walk on who had one hundred and fifty yards oddly
last week against Michigan. I'm king Miller. I think his

(01:23:47):
name is Yeah, so like, but is that going to
hurt them here because the first back taken in the
draft next week will be Jeremiah Love next year in
the draft, they have one of the best back fields
in the country. So in the USC run defense, is
in Elite, so if there's weather here, if there's win,
there could be win, And there could be a system

(01:24:08):
that comes in during the game, like you're not gonna
be to throw as much and USC doesn't have its
bats and Notre Dame like that is a much better
suited game for Notre Dame. So yeah, I think it's
a little high. But and there's still some injury uncertainty.

(01:24:29):
But I'm curious to say I do, like I don't
know if I'm going to try to find out if what,
I don't think I'll be able to, but I know
some people go I want to find out what Notre
Dame's plan is for Lemon. First of all, if it
was Lemon versus more like Moore has played some snaps
in the slot, but he mainly stays on the outside,
Like that'd be one of the best matchups, Like that's

(01:24:49):
one of the best pinners in the country, is one
of the best receivers. But if he's not in the slot,
that's some Lemon could go off anyway. I think like
betting lemon props is the way to go, because like
either USC is going to be in this game because
they're finding a way to throw it, and he's going
to be a big part of that. I mean, they

(01:25:10):
have one of the limited lane or probably the best
wide receiver doing the country, or they get way behind
and they're gonna have to throw it anyway. But does
feel a little bit high this is to me? It's
it's an elimination game for Notre Dame. So if Notre
Dame loses, they're out of the culturable ploffs. If they win,
they're pretty much a lock. They're going to go ten

(01:25:33):
and two. They don't play coming with Yeah at BC.
BC has so many injuries and they're getting crushed every week.
But like that's the red bandana game. I mean maybe
that's their losses are better than a lot of teams wins. Yeah,
they just are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I mean they're losses. I mean they're two what's two
top five teams, I mean the best team and I
mean A and M could might end up winning the
SEC possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Right Yeah, so, but USC it's not an elimination game,
and but it's close. Is it'll be their second loss
games a killer for them. If they bank that this
would be a lot less pressure on this game. Yeah,
that they wouldn't need to win this game. So if
they lose this game, then what they're gonna have to
do is beat Oregon. And uh, I mean they're also

(01:26:20):
like at Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
That game is at Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
It's at Oregon. Like the rest of their schedule, they
they're like home against UCLA, home against Iowa, home against Northwestern.
They do go to Nebraska, that's will be a must win,
But the hardest other game on their schedule is at Oregon.
So they USC has to split one of these two
I think to get in. And so, yeah, this is

(01:26:48):
a huge game for the college football playoff race. They
could knock Oregon out too if they win that game.
We already know Penn State's not going so like and
it looks like Indiana and Ohio State or a lock.
So and the SEC I think is could continue to
beat up on each other. So like, is there room
for four Big ten teams? And then if so, who

(01:27:10):
are those other two? I mean, is it is? It
most likely one of them is going to be Oregon,
but you know that can that other one be USC
They're probably gonna have to get one of these games,
and then one of the spots that someone else could
take is going to be filled by Notre Dame. If
Notre Dame wins this game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Okay, a couple other quick ones. I always you were
on one on Saturday night because you were not happy
with Kirby dictating the terms with the oh my gosh,
and you were all over that thing and it was
looking like seventeen to nothing and you were cruised. And
then they fumble, and then this, and then they run in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
They could have just went down and I still and
I would have covered, but Stockton runs it in instead
of going down that that game, I don't get silted often.
That game send me into tailspin.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
I don't. I don't blame you. Same with the ad
and you as they were walking off the field in
that first half, I mean, it was it was a
meltdown that was there on the And now we got Georgia.
You're all you've been all over Georgia that they're not
nearly what they've been and now oll miss feat them
last year, which should have been like a defining moment
for Dart and Lane. But they blew that Kentucky game,

(01:28:18):
and then they blewed at the end of Florida, which
saved Billy Naper's job for another season. Now was like
Billy Napers is gonna get fired on Sunday. So a
lot of a lot of variables and things tied to
each other. Obviously, Lane and Kirby's relationship goes back a
long time. They got text chains going. He fucks with
them on social media. He calls him fat like they
have a unique relationship. But uh, I don't know. I

(01:28:40):
mean this, if Ole Miss goes to Georgia and were
to win this game, would they then be basically a
playoff lock? Would you consider they win this game?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Pretty much?

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
This is a massive moment in Georgia. Once you lose
that Alabama Bamba game, you have a little less margin
for aer That's why when I was watching that first
half and it looked like they were about to get
you never want to say blowout because it's college things
can change fast. But that place, I respect Auburn's crowd.
I mean that place rocks. I mean that is Jordan

(01:29:10):
is Ojoe. Yeah, it's LSU at night. It's obviously you
know Tuscaloos has had a lot of night games. A
and M gets a lot of credit. And you're watching
that place with the talent, You're like, this place is badass,
and uh, you could feel the pressure on Kirk. Kirby
knows like our season is about to feel over here
if we lose this game. I don't know. Can this
little guy from Parris Steak go into into Georgia and
win a massive I don't see game. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
I mean, no, Missus has the weakest strength of schedule
in the SEC of any SEC team so far. I mean, look,
Faith Argument should have lost to Arkansas without a fumble.
They barely won at Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Last week. I say, using the Washington State right in
the second half. Yeah, I mean they only they want
they beat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Washington State is a thirty three point favorite, twenty four
to twenty one. Like, the defense isn't great. They lost
so much talent from that group last year. It was
one of the most talented defenses in the country last year.
The offensive line isn't great, the weapons aren't as good.
Now this get Champ's played well D two fire straight transfer,
but this is his first SEC road game. And what
they do is they use a lot of tempo. They

(01:30:12):
get up to the line and then lane they use
some motion and then lane will find the mismatches, but
the communication cuts off and on the road. That's gonna
be tougher to do in Athens. Now am I running
to lay it with Georgia?

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
I mean, like this, guys, I've been saying this Georgia
team is not There's just not that. There's no like really,
I think the two best teams in the SEC are
A and M in Alabama. But even Alabama, I mean
Alabama beats Missouri by three, they beat Georgia by three.
They got pretty fortunate against Dandy at home in a

(01:30:48):
major revenge Bob and it turned it over a bunch
in the red zone, and then they had a meeting
less touchdown late. Like there's just not that much separation
from Tier one and Tier two.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
In the SEC this year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
So yeah, I mean, how'll look to bet this game
is I will give Ole miss up. And Lane came
out and said this. He basically said that they were
preparing for Georgia last week during Washington stately, so they were.
It was just a horrendous performance. But he's gonna have
some wrinkles, some assuming and Georgie's come out flat a

(01:31:22):
lot over the past two years, but especially this year.
But for all of Georgia's issues, like their offense, line
should be healthier this week. They should be able to
run the ball in ole Miss, but the defense isn't
the same, Like they're not getting a lead pressure. Their
secondary is as good as it usually is. But Kirby
is one of the best in game adjusters in the sport.

(01:31:43):
So if ole Miss comes out Lane has a couple
of tricks up his sleeve, I will be looking to
bet Georgia live or Georgia second half. I don't think
ole Miss has the horses to get this done on
the road. But this definitely isn't an elite Georgia team.
Like all the teams the sect to me are like
even Alabama's. They're in and A and M. They're all

(01:32:05):
like five to like fifteen, like a bunch of these teams,
and there's just not that much difference between them. So
I think we'll continue to see chaos. I do think
about it take two right now, it would probably be
A and M in Alabama. But any of these teams,
I mean, I'm talking LSU, Vandy, Ole Miss, Missouri, Tennessee,

(01:32:28):
like they're all capable of beating each other.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
If Mattier played like he did the first couple of weeks,
they look at Oklahoma this last week. What the leap
was that? I mean, Jesus, he definitely was not healthy.
I didn't even mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
But like Texas, their offense I don't think has the
but they have an elite, elite defense. I do think
Kentucky is live. I did take Kentucky plus thirteen this weekend.
It should be an ugly game. The offense is The
Texas offense is still nothing. I mean last year they
scored twenty three, but they have a count for a touchdown.
They had three turnovers. They were playing a herd quarterback

(01:33:04):
Kentucky coming off, but buy they'll just play zone and
say you can't get an explosive and make Karchs and
that offense march down the field. Now house Kentucky going
to score. I don't know, but I don't trust this
Texas offense in a bad spot to cover with margin.
And then I don't mind Vandy against LSU. LSU has

(01:33:24):
key defensive injuries, like major major injuries. With weeks their
best linebacker. They're already without one of their best defensive linemen.
They could be without two more. That's not good against
Vandy wants to control the clock, they want to run
the ball, and this LSU offense they can't run the
ball at all. So basically there's saying Neusmyer throw it
around forty to fifty times. That's leadings like a lot

(01:33:47):
of three and outs, and you know that he's still
good and that offense is still okay, but it's not
great because they can't run it and there's just no balance.
So what is that going to lead to? That's probably
going to lead to Vandy just rolling the clock. And look,
they're coming off of buy they have great offensive mines
and LSU plays a very aggressive defense, which isn't the

(01:34:09):
most ideal way to play Vandy. There's a lot of
misdirection and try to just find some explosives. But I
think Vandy controlling the clock throughout that game. With LSU's
defensive injuries, I think LSU's eventually going to wear down.
So I don't mind Vandy there. I mean this could
be that game could have ripple effects on college football.

(01:34:29):
All of a sudden, LSU could go into a tailspin
and we could start being like, is Brian Kelly going
to try to get out of there? And like, hey,
hey Craft at Penn State, I'm interested. We can do
a swap. You don't need to buy me out. And
then Clark Lee used to keep winning these games. You
do what you do a Vanderbilt I mean that put
James Franklin on the map once upon a time and
got him the Penn State job. So would I mean,
I understand this guy is an alumni there, but are

(01:34:52):
we not talking about this guy enough for Like, why
isn't you know, if Laanne ain't gonna leave Florida to
the Florida State, shouldn't they be all over this guy
do it in the SEC with Vandy? Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
And his buddies, the GM from like high school, they
used to work in like rivals, Like they got a
pretty high level operation. Whatever's going on in LSU, which
everyone agrees is not what they thought when Brian Kelly
got there. This is the opposite these guys we thought
last year a little bit of a one hit wonder.
I mean, holy shit, they've come back swinging. I've been
blown away by how good they've been.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Yeah, and they can play with anyone in the SEC.
That's what I'm saying, Like, there's just not that much
difference between like who people consider the tier one and
then the next tier and then you throw flard in.
There's rumors that Napier is going to be fired no
matter what I think it is, the speaking Againstmissippi State.
He's gonna be fired for sure, I think. But there's
rumors he's going to be gone like a that job
opens up. So the coaching carousel in college football is

(01:35:49):
pretty crazy right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Yeah, a lot of jobs. Okay, stucky, you enjoyed the weekend,
and hopefully Kirby doesn't make you blow gasket again and
I won't be on o mess.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
All of social media can thank me for that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
How was the baby shower at the bar? It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
We went, we went from I had a bunch of
people in town, so I went out all day Saturday
and Saturday night. I woke up and then went right
to the bar for the early games and then was
at the bart of two. I was going to carry
with you with my little sister like one in the
morning on the Sunday. Who ruined my entire week? It's
it's it's been rough preparing all all these games. I
hadn't been able to sleep. But it was fun. A

(01:36:28):
lot of people came. We got a lot of gifts,
a lot of people that I care about, so it's fun.
But we were I was fainly just sweating NFL with
friends and saying to some family. But uh, yeah, it
was a good time. But you know, back to back
with people, a bunch of people being in town. I
had to go out Saturdays and then the showers just
at the bar on Sunday. Had to go out both days.

(01:36:50):
Loveday was a really really good weekend betting, but the
Auburn game was the low light because I really wanted
that one and to be pretty intoxicated by that point.
Oh it's hammered, hammerd hammered. It's just I should just
give my phone to like someone and be like once
I get to that point. But people love when I
always get like people love love that stuff because I

(01:37:13):
really do care and them sweating it so hard, uh
because I know when people follow and it's I also
have money on it. So yeah, it was fun. But
I definitely have a couple of tow many beverages. But
it was always I don't understand that whole sequence was
crazy and then like after that all the flags and
uh yeah that one was uh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
The second it was the second half of the game
when he did the timeout thing and he said he
was clapping right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Yeah, I mean the second Well, I should I should
have at that point, just everything was going to go
to ship for Auburn, and Kirby is such a good
help on Georgia. I should have just came back on Georgia,
which I didn't. I got to invest it. I was like,
I'm I went over to win this game. I feel
bad for their fans and uh so, but yeah, it
was a fun weekend. This weekend will be a lot
more chill.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I'll tell you that I'm always indifferent on the program,
But then you watch a night like that night, and
you realize why this job is pretty highly talked about.
I mean, obviously they financially have backing, but like, you
want to work at a place, whether you're in the
NFL or whether you're in college football, at a place
that cares, like you want to be the head coach
of Kentucky basketball. Why people give a shit like you?
I understand, Like, because I'm like, is Auburn really well?

(01:38:21):
You watch that game Saturday night against a Georgia against
in Alabama against LSU, It's like a religious experience. It
mats So it's like I kind of like, Okay, I
kind of get Auburn a little more than I need
to give the program a little more credit, like than
I think they probably get from non like Southern people,
because it does feel like a program that's won before,
but it does feel second rate a little bit, and

(01:38:43):
I it probably shouldn't be, and that would is probably
what they would argue people around the program, like we
should be one of the top programs.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Well and we just to start title back to Freeze
on the seat. Now, yeah, loses this game against Missouri,
some people are saying he's gone, so so yeah the coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Clark Lee is going to get some of these offers
because there aren't enough bodies to go around, agreed, yep.
So it's like he's gonna have to turn people down
and stay at Vanderburt.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
He's got sum Roll. Who will be in the mix
at who's at Tulane? He's going to get a job.
I mean Kentucky was stoops, that's the second tier job,
but he might not be here. So there's so many jobs.
I think some raw can get one of them. There'll
be some assistance, but yeah, it's like there's a guy

(01:39:32):
in New Mexico. He's a hot name, but he I
don't think he can like will jump up to like
a top tier yet. But the trickle on effect and
where all these guys are going to come from, Like
even with the Wisconsin job is probably going to open.
That's a second tier one. But yeah, it's it's crazy
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
But if like Lane goes to Florida Ole miss, I mean,
they've been kicking ass. That's a pretty good job. They
pay a lot, Like a lot of people would be
interested in that, right, Yeah, absolutely, It's like the hell
the guy at uh you know, Tulane might have his
pick of the litter. It might be using between a
couple jobs on the on the second tier, right yep.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
I'm also curious to see if like, I don't know
if he would. He seems like so loyal to the job.
But I wonder this another I did I have tru
I have faith in dilling Am This weekend in Arizona
State touching over a touchdown, it looks like Levit's gonna
play against step Text has been amazing, but quarterbacks questionable.
A couple of guys in that defensive line which is
dominant or one of them's out. One of them is questionable.

(01:40:27):
This is like your max effort for Arizona State. Like
I almost throw last week's game out. I didn't even
know level was going to be out till the day before.
This is their season. This is the peak of the
market on Texas Tech, who's undefeated against the spread now
laying over a touchdown at Arizona State. I did take
a stupid we'll get Dillingham, but I think as an
outstanding coach, would he leave you know, Zolma Water and

(01:40:48):
I don't know. I don't know the answer to that,
but he would be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
I think it to be. It has to be a
big time job, Yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Huge one, but he would definitely get looks at some
of the bigger jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Like if Florida and Penn State. Column like you are
Hue being you have to talk to him?

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Yeah absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Uh well, stuff, You enjoy the weekend and hopefully you
have a little more more chill, relaxing time on Saturday
and Sunday. I'll talk to you next week. The volume
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